From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 00:13:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26338 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00632; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:12:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00532; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00520; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (55.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.183]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA06675; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36637B0A.A450D8BE@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:13:47 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: Jane Loyless , TP List Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' References: <4.1.19981130091543.009fe040@rcf.usc.edu> <36619E5D.2337@iname.com> <01BE1ABB.BE82C400@tnote> <3660E2AA.19BA5329@icanect.net> <4.1.19981130152301.009fb790@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the other issue is nodes.. compuserve has nodes world wide.. a member can log in anyplace.. to log in via an ISP requires an account with a local ISP or a world wide ISP with nodea all over..!! are there any such ISP's yet?? now?? Randal Whittle wrote: > At 12:35 PM 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote: > >At 09:21 AM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >> 3) Between privately-run mailing lists like this and the web-based > >>Thinkpad forums IBM put in place, the Compuserve forum becomes quite > >>unnecessary. Though I would agree that IBM should support a mailing list > >>like this one, and publicize the fact with every ThinkPad sold. > >> > >> In all, pulling out of Compuserve is no big deal. All they did was change > >>the venue. Personally, I think that's a wise business decision, as the > >>venue they have chosen reaches far more people. > >> > > > >Yeah, I know, but they didn't change just the venue. They changed the > >format as well. The online only nature of a web forum sucks - > > >members on CIS told the IBMers there repeatedly that losing the speed and > >convenience of off-line capabilities was a big issue. Did IBM listen? Of > > I would agree its a huge issue. I would far prefer an e-mail list like > this or better yet, a dedicated news server. > > I don't like web-based, but it does potentially reach more people for the > simple fact that most anyone with an internet connection knows about & uses > a web browser, but far too few people have a clue what a newsgroup reader is. > > ------ > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > - Smile :-) Its a curve that can set a LOT of things straight. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 00:29:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26554 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01951; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:28:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01763; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01729; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl ([12.77.31.204]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981201052735.DFGD18504@dts_jl> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:27:35 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981201001448.00b2d8e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:14:48 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' In-Reply-To: <36637B0A.A450D8BE@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19981130091543.009fe040@rcf.usc.edu> <36619E5D.2337@iname.com> <01BE1ABB.BE82C400@tnote> <3660E2AA.19BA5329@icanect.net> <4.1.19981130152301.009fb790@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:13 AM 12/1/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >the other issue is nodes.. >compuserve has nodes world wide.. > >a member can log in anyplace.. > >to log in via an ISP requires an account with a local ISP or a world wide ISP with >nodea all over..!! >are there any such ISP's yet?? now?? > The closest would be ibm.net or subscribing to an ISP that participates in http://www.ipass.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 02:08:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27562 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04209; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:07:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04071; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04059; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p23.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23407 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:07:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812010707.XAA23407@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 23:06:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Darn 701 Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: Well, guess what? I'm finally sending my original 701 in to EasyServer tomorrow or Wed., but now this d**n keyboard on my newer 701 broke, because one line on the flex cable is cut. Does anyone know where to get cheap replacement keyboards, or am I limited only to IBM? Or maybe a $200 barebones 701? (the price I got for this one). Please also cc: me at my regular address, because since I have work and school, I rarely check my TPad List folder. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 02:09:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27571 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04362; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04234; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04222; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p23.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23527 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:09:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812010709.XAA23527@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 23:08:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NT Networking on 701 List-Unsubscribe: Oh, another question for those of you using NT out there - Will the cheapo Home & Away card work with NT 4.0, or should I just use my 3COM Etherlink III PCMCIA ? Right now I'm using a 16 bit ISA card in my Dock II, because I have a bad cable for my PCMCIA card. Also, how much better does NT 4 run with 40MB as opposed to 24MB for those who run their 701's on NT? Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 02:18:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27665 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01622; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:25:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01519; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01505; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from complex.math.uiuc.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA21169; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:24:56 -1000 Message-ID: <001d01be1cf3$4e5cfc60$423e6420@complex.math.uiuc.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:24:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >to log in via an ISP requires an account with a local ISP or a world wide ISP with >nodea all over..!! >are there any such ISP's yet?? now?? (1) ibm.net, which would be a natural, though (a) they've just changed their policies to make worldwide login more difficult, and (b) they will likely be purchased by AT&T soon (2) AOL (I think they might soon have more international points of presence than compuserve, God help us all) (3) Starbucks - well, they don't do internet hookup yet, but I believe that they're just biding their time:-) - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 05:19:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA28708 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10772; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:16:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09990; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09877; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA26542; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:21:29 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09963; Tue, 1 Dec 98 10:09:30 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:14:15 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Re: FS: Dock I Cable package Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I'm interested in the first one but live in the UK - is that a=20= problem=2E Alternatively could you buzz out the cable for the end-end=20= connectivity and put the ends on a scanner and email me the =2Ejpg? This=20= way I can recreate it at this end, hopefully=2E - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FS: Dock I Cable package Author: MIME:Mitchell_Yee@jud=2Eca=2Egov (Mitchell Yee) at INTERNET Date: 30/11/98 17:46 Last weekend, I finally hit the bottom of my extra TP box and=20= found the famous (or infamous) TP Dock I cable package=2E There are two cables in this group: 1=2E The IBM IDE cable: IBM-proprietary sized cable on on side (this side goes into the Dock), the other=20= side is the industry standard 40 pin IDE connector=2E 2=2E Dock I CD-ROM sound cable - connects from the IBM CD-ROM sound port to the Dock I sound input connector=2E First buyer at $20 plus $3 for the postage gets it=2E Mitchell ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 06:28:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA29005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17341; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:26:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17230; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17218; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F179A@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: NT Networking on 701 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 6:08 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: NT Networking on 701 > [Huber, Robert] ....snip > Also, how much better does NT 4 run with 40MB as opposed to 24MB for those > who run their > 701's on NT? > [Huber, Robert] My experience was that the box went from almost constant disk thrashing to next to none. For me this made a great difference since I have several apps active at once. > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, > Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 07:25:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29227 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18523; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:24:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18429; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18417; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id FAA19813; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:24:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:24:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 List-Unsubscribe: Is it just me or does the Thinkpad's nice sleek rubberized black finish attract fingerprints and any sort of body oil? Is there an easy way to get rid of it? Also, I bought CardWizard 4.1 to replace the 3.0 version for NT that comes with the Thinkpad 600E. Anyway, to make a long story short, it doesn't work at all. Actually, at one point trying a reinstallation, I crashed to the point where I couldn't uninstall/reinstall CW3.1, and forced me to restore a registry from backup. I am going to return it (if I can ever get in touch with a human at Systemsoft... I'm getting ready to cancel the charge on my credit card myself). But before I do, has anyone on a Thinkpad 600/600E had a chance to get 4.1 to work? Is there a trick? It installs fine, it never even detects the first card insertion. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 08:12:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29459 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19983; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:11:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19881; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19869; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:56 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (northrelay02.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.22]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA66852 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:52:00 -0500 Received: from us.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.5) with SMTP id IAA21364 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:22 -0500 Received: by us.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566CD.00485B65 ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <852566CD.00485AD8.00@us.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:16 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe Chris Haun [chaun@us.ibm.com] IBM Cross Brand Configuration Center Phone: 919-543-8315 Voicemail: 919-543-9967 Mobile: 919-260-1368 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 09:43:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00166 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24329; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:42:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24171; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24157; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-51-170.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.51.170]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA67854; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:42:06 GMT Message-ID: <3663FFC1.90D826BC@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:40:01 -0800 From: Joe Suttle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury , Think Pad List Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard References: <199812010707.XAA23407@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul, why not just buy a $9-15 keyboard and plug it in, that way you won't have to worry about the 701 kb. -- Joe Suttle * IBM Warp Certified System Expert joesuttle@ibm.net Hercules, California +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ "If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Powered by OS/2 Warp 4 fp7, Aurora, SmartSuite and Netscape 4.04 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 10:06:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00357 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25320; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25229; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rmc1.crocker.com (schlegel@rmc1.crocker.com [204.97.12.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25210; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (schlegel@localhost) by rmc1.crocker.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA15171 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:10:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:10:37 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Schlegel To: Thinkpad List Subject: Will Thinkpad 390 support suspend in OS/2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: About the TP 390 2626-50U .... Hi, I've been using suspend mode with OS/2 4.0 and found it doesn't work. I believe the modem and sound card drivers simply can't continue through a suspend cycle (modem refused to dial in DOIP dialer and sound files stutter) I've had to totally turn off suspend as an option in the ibm bios setup. Is there any hope of updated drivers for sound and the modem that will support this or is it a architectural problem that can't be changed? I'm using the latest drivers I found on the thinkpad ibm site as of about a week or so ago. I also find that the thinkpad 390's back light is still too bright in my opinion even with the brightness slider all the way to the left. Not much can be done about that I guess. Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 11:14:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01060 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:14:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29765; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:11:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29576; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29564; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p18.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21074; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:12:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812011612.IAA21074@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 08:10:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: NT Networking on 701 List-Unsubscribe: > [Huber, Robert] My experience was that the box went from almost >constant disk thrashing to next to none. For me this made a great difference >since I have several apps active at once. Yeah, I noticed it does do a lot of disk activity. One thing I would like also is that it doesn't get so fragmented... And I have NTFS for that matter... Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 11:23:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01166 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00527; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:22:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00433; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00406; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p18.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22037; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:22:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812011622.IAA22037@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Joe Suttle" , "Think Pad List" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 08:20:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:40:01 -0800, Joe Suttle wrote: >Paul, why not just buy a $9-15 keyboard and plug it in, that way you >won't have to worry about the 701 kb. That's what I'm doing on the NT 701. On this 701, which I will replace with the other one once the keyboard is fixed (not this machine, this is the 750, the 701 is right next to me, though), I currently have it running NT, with both an MS WheelMouse and a Compaq PS/2 keyboard attached, and use them all the time. I'm very mobile, so it's not always convienent to use a large keyboard to protect the one on the ThinkPad... I am still upset that something so small can totally mess up the whole keyboard. Now I see where it got stuck - sometimes the keyboard had trouble opening up... :( Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 11:26:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01225 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00916; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:25:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00733; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00718; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p18.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22322; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:25:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812011625.IAA22322@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mark Schlegel" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 08:24:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will Thinkpad 390 support suspend in OS/2? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:10:37 -0500 (EST), Mark Schlegel wrote: > >About the TP 390 2626-50U .... > >Hi, > >I've been using suspend mode with OS/2 4.0 and found it >doesn't work. I believe the modem and sound card drivers >simply can't continue through a suspend cycle (modem >refused to dial in DOIP dialer and sound files stutter) >I've had to totally turn off suspend as an option in the >ibm bios setup. > While we're talking about APM problems with newer ThinkPads and OS/2, has anyone been able to hibernate with an older ThinkPad, particulary the 750? I can't hibernate, even after using the Utilties to create the Hibernation file in either my primary HPFS volume, or the logical FAT volume. :( It'd be nice to hibernate, so I don't always have to shut down to save on battery power, though I might start suspending. I'd like to get that full 3-5 hours out of the battery. Best so far is about 3-4 hours! Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 12:31:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01878 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04741; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:26:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04414; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04401; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id MAA06165; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:26:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:25:36 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Joe Suttle , Paul Khoury , Think Pad List Message-ID: <199812011225_MC2-6219-DB51@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Joe, If you plug an external, normal keyboard into a TP701C (can you do this without the prot replicator?) do you then have the keypad functions available? TIA Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 12:53:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02121 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07383; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:50:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07004; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06991; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:50:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812011750.MAA06991@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 30 Nov 1988 10:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Mark Schlegel" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:50:29 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will Thinkpad 390 support suspend in OS/2? List-Unsubscribe: I ran my old 750 on warp 3 and 4 on a variety of fixpacks and CSD's with sound, hibernate....everything. It should work. I'm only having trouble now that I'm playing with linux. :). On Wed, 02 Dec 98 08:24:03, Paul Khoury wrote: >While we're talking about APM problems with newer ThinkPads and OS/2, has anyone >been able to hibernate with an older ThinkPad, particulary the 750? I can't hibernate, even >after using the Utilties to create the Hibernation file in either my primary HPFS volume, or the logical >FAT volume. :( ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 13:13:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02359 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08960; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:10:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08761; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rmc1.crocker.com (schlegel@rmc1.crocker.com [204.97.12.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08653; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (schlegel@localhost) by rmc1.crocker.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA12029 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Schlegel Reply-To: Mark Schlegel To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Will Thinkpad 390 support suspend in OS/2? In-Reply-To: <199812011750.MAA07692@rmc1.crocker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Victor Kress wrote: > I don't know about your machine in particular, but suspend and sound should work > under warp. Make sure you have the latest of everything. > > Good luck! > Looks like I just need to slap on a fix pack, the machine still has just W4 no FP: APAR Number: JR09440 Correction: The APAR says Warp 4.0, but actually Fixpack 1 is needed for most users. Problem Description: Warp 4.0: Suspend notification is not sent after the first Suspend operation. In other words, you can go into Suspend once and then Resume without a problem, but if you do it a second time then the power management driver (APM.SYS) does not correctly notify all of the devices that asked to be notified of the Resume operation. So when you come out of Suspend for the second time some things may not work correctly, particularly MWave and Multimedia functions. Ps. I think I have troubles even suspending once but I could be wrong,.. I ought to install that Fixpack 9 I have.. Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 13:20:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02460 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09651; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:19:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09513; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09392; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00082774; Tue, 1 Dec 98 13:04:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:11:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00082774.CE21223@smh.com> Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Albert C. Lee" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: Al, It installed without a hitch on my TP 600 PII266. Did u do a complete unistall of cardwiz 3 (with a reboot) before you installed 4.1? I've had no problems with it. I even got my Intel Cardbus network card to work in NT! Btw, someone on the list pointed out Cardwizard is available on the IBM website for one of their new models (?1720) Regards, Neil ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 Author: "Albert C. Lee" at Internet Date: 12/1/98 5:24 AM Is it just me or does the Thinkpad's nice sleek rubberized black finish attract fingerprints and any sort of body oil? Is there an easy way to get rid of it? Also, I bought CardWizard 4.1 to replace the 3.0 version for NT that comes with the Thinkpad 600E. Anyway, to make a long story short, it doesn't work at all. Actually, at one point trying a reinstallation, I crashed to the point where I couldn't uninstall/reinstall CW3.1, and forced me to restore a registry from backup. I am going to return it (if I can ever get in touch with a human at Systemsoft... I'm getting ready to cancel the charge on my credit card myself). But before I do, has anyone on a Thinkpad 600/600E had a chance to get 4.1 to work? Is there a trick? It installs fine, it never even detects the first card insertion. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 13:27:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02535 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10486; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10297; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10280; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-224-111.usc.edu [128.125.224.111]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA20008; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981201100027.00a09510@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19981201100027.00a09510@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:12:38 -0800 To: John Kim , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981130152301.009fb790@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:14 PM 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >> I don't like web-based, but it does potentially reach more people for the >> simple fact that most anyone with an internet connection knows about & uses >> a web browser, but far too few people have a clue what a newsgroup reader is. > >News has the huge advantage of being specifically designed for >large-scale discussions with huge numbers of participants. >Even if there were no speed difference, I would prefer to see >web-based boards and mailing lists transferred over to news >servers, where I have options like threading (as opposed to >the FIFO format of web boards and mail), killfiling topics >(and annoying posters), and preselecting everything I want to >read so I don't have to do anything but hit the space bar for >the next hour. :-) A newsreaders is built into Netscape, and >it's trivial to link to a newsgroup via an HTML tag, so I >don't think it should be an issue that most people don't know >what it is. John, you overestimate the abilities of your internet-using (newly so) peers. To you and I, and perhaps most anyone on this list, it is indeed trivial. But to a host of people who have hooked on to the internet in the past year or two, it is not. These people know how to use a web browser and their e-mail software--and nothing else. I just spent the Thanksgiving Holiday helping my in-laws figure out their e-mail. They had recently gotten hooked up to an ISP (Finally! My wife was happy she could finally exchange e-mail with them), sent out a couple of messages...and then disappeared. Neither my wife's or anyone else's e-mail was being responded to. I came to find out that they weren't dialing up! They would just open their e-mail software and expect new messages to be there. At any rate, you just have to understand that this is the kind of people we are dealing with--people who let the "12:00" flash on their VCR's because they don't know how to set the time. When you're marketing a product to the masses--and arguably, the ThinkPads are--you have to accomodate those kind of facts. Hence, the Web-based discussion areas. I agree that if they were smart, they'd complement it with the newsgroup-style thing, but I'm not in charge over there. :-) >Unfortunately, news has the HUGE disadvantage of having been >taken over by the spammers. I've given up posting to >newsgroups so as to avoid the deluge of spam from all the >harvesters. And I've given up reading a lot of my favorite >groups because they've been innundated by spam ads. >Personally, I think spammers should be shot for destroying >what had been a shining example of a cooperative distributed >networked service. I share your sentiments. There *are* ways around it though. I know of one "private" newsgroup that one of the Prof's in my Electronic Commerce program when I was at USC was invited to join. It was essentially a newsgroup, but required a password for access. It made use of Netscape's "Collabra" software, a part of its "Communicator" suite (which included Navigator 4.0). This is a fabulous solution, as it allows you to limit access to people who want to be part of the discussion and lock out spammers. But again, it necessarily limits your pool of legitimate users too, for the same reason I stated above. Everyone has a browser & e-mail, few people know what else they can do on the internet. Twenty years ago, Americans voted for a moral presidency. Why did it fail? Carter held out hope that God's love and Jesus' teachings mean something to a hurting world. He did not fail us; we failed him. We say we want a moral presidency, but we elect presidents who maintain our illusions of comfort and self-righteousness -- not ones who preach and do justice. The central problem of religion and politics is our own selfishness. Twenty years later, we have the president we deserve... Diana Butler, dist. by NYT Special Features From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 13:40:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02751 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11606; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:39:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11483; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11470; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1ga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.10]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22657 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: i720 for my wife, or not? Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:34:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1d59$37ae0980$0500a8c0@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Here are my options: I own a 770 (the original one: 9549-1AU) with 96mb. of RAM and a DVD drive. My original idea was to give this laptop to my wife and replace it with a 770X for myself. I do a lot of CAD and graphics and the better screen and video are most desirable. I also believe that the 770X will be ideal for Windows 2000, if and when it becomes available (early next year?). But, I am intrigued by the price and features of the i720. Is it a better plan to get my wife this newer and perhaps more friendly laptop and retire or sell the original 770? She will use a laptop primarily for word processing, email and Internet browsing. Is the look, feel and construction quality of the i720 what one expects? How is the screen? -Bill Armstrong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 15:09:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04043 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16664; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:07:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16521; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16489; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p46.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13942; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:06:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812012006.MAA13942@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alan Wong" , "Christoph Eyrich" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 12:05:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sending Laptop in to EZ-Serve...any tips? List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:51:34 +0100 (MET), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Alan Wong wrote: > >> Any tips on how I should send my unit back? >> The way I'm planning to send it is without my hard drive, >> CD-Rom and AC adapter. Should the battery be sent along >> with the unit also? > > >Yes - in case there is a problem with the battery as well. > >You don't mention the RAM: If you have done a memory upgrade, >I'd remove the modules as well! > >Good luck Yeah, we really do need it. I'm sending in mine today, with nothing except the battery, which doesn't work anyways. I even took off the PCMCIA cover, because I've SEEN Easyserve loose those things when they ship the unit back. :( Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 15:17:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04149 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17272; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:16:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17115; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17084; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p46.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14809; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:16:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812012016.MAA14809@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Hugh Wyn Griffith FL" , "Joe Suttle" , "Think Pad List" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 12:15:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:25:36 -0500, Hugh Wyn Griffith FL wrote: > >Joe, > >If you plug an external, normal keyboard into a TP701C (can you do this >without the prot replicator?) do you then have the keypad functions >available? > On the 701, and I believe the 500, you need either the Multiport II or Multiport (respectively) to use a keyboard. But in my case, my mouse is dead on both 701s. Fortunately, the keyboard on my 750 is the BEST I've ever used, albeit louder than that of the 701. It's great at home, but not always so in class. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 15:19:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04172 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17480; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17348; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17302; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp750 (p46.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14967; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:18:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812012018.MAA14967@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 12:16:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: NT Networking on 701 List-Unsubscribe: > [Huber, Robert] I asked a similar question to the NT Sysop and his >response was not to worry about disk fragmentation with NTFS, but if I >really wanted to there were third party defrag utilities available for >NT/NTFS. > I did not get the s/w and have never noticed a problem. I got Disk Keeper, and access to files was noticeably quicker. Unfortunately, I don't think my trial license will be valid when I get my machine back from Easyserve. :( Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 16:10:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05065 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21056; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:04:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20953; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20931; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.9.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19461; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:07:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:07:24 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <199812010707.XAA23407@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Well, guess what? I'm finally sending my original 701 in to EasyServer > tomorrow or > Wed., but now this d**n keyboard on my newer 701 broke, because one line on > the flex cable > is cut. If only one line is cut, why not try to repair it. I repaired mine. Go to Pep Boys and buy a rear window defroster repair kit. It costs about $5 but it's uses are endless... it's basically conductive paint. Get some scotch tape, tape behind the break in the cable, and with a small amount of the 'paint' on the brush, put some of the conductive paint in the break, being very careful not to paint multiple lines together. Then wrap the rest of the tape around the break, protecting the repair. Mine has survived for 8 months this way. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 17:30:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06154 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27389; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:28:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27162; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27138; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA24351; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:27:55 -1000 Message-ID: <001501be1d82$38f9c6c0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Stephen Amadei" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:27:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Go to Pep Boys and buy a rear window defroster repair kit. It costs about >$5 but it's uses are endless... it's basically conductive paint. > >Get some scotch tape, tape behind the break in the cable, and with a small >amount of the 'paint' on the brush, put some of the conductive paint in >the break, being very careful not to paint multiple lines together. Conducting epoxy, while considerably more expensive, is also decent for this kind of jury-rigging, and conducts better than the defogger paint. Then there's always spit and bailing wire... - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 17:35:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06209 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27821; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:33:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27543; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27510; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (p46.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.109]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA18814; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:29:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812012229.OAA18814@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen Amadei" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 98 14:32:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:07:24 -0500 (EST), Stephen Amadei wrote: >On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Well, guess what? I'm finally sending my original 701 in to EasyServer >> tomorrow or >> Wed., but now this d**n keyboard on my newer 701 broke, because one line on >> the flex cable >> is cut. > >If only one line is cut, why not try to repair it. I repaired mine. > >Go to Pep Boys and buy a rear window defroster repair kit. It costs about >$5 but it's uses are endless... it's basically conductive paint. > >Get some scotch tape, tape behind the break in the cable, and with a small >amount of the 'paint' on the brush, put some of the conductive paint in >the break, being very careful not to paint multiple lines together. > >Then wrap the rest of the tape around the break, protecting the repair. > >Mine has survived for 8 months this way. > Are you serious? Wow. Hmmm... So, it's like a liquid conducter? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Running OS/2 3/4, Win NT 4.0, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Newton OS 2.0 ICQ#22543041 AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 17:35:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06217 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27895; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:34:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27701; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27654; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (p46.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.109]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA18885; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812012229.OAA18885@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Stephen Amadei" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 98 14:32:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:27:49 -0600, David Ross wrote: >>Go to Pep Boys and buy a rear window defroster repair kit. It costs about >>$5 but it's uses are endless... it's basically conductive paint. >> >>Get some scotch tape, tape behind the break in the cable, and with a small >>amount of the 'paint' on the brush, put some of the conductive paint in >>the break, being very careful not to paint multiple lines together. > > >Conducting epoxy, while considerably more expensive, is also decent for this kind of jury-rigging, and conducts better than the >defogger paint. > >Then there's always spit and bailing wire... How reliable would this be, as in, would it catch on the system when the keyboard closes? That's what I'm worried about... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Running OS/2 3/4, Win NT 4.0, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Newton OS 2.0 ICQ#22543041 AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 17:55:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06490 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28176; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:36:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27988; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from escambia.se.mediaone.net (escambia.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27972; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mediaone (surf4282.jacksonville.net [24.129.49.182]) by escambia.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07750 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:36:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981201223621.006a92dc@207.98.192.83> X-Sender: cclarke@207.98.192.83 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:36:21 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Charles Clarke Subject: [TP770] LPT1: problem List-Unsubscribe: New (to me) machine and I can't get the parallel port to work with another machine using pcanywhere. It does work for printing. I'm thinking it has something to do with the Infrared setup. Since I don't plan to use IRda, I have tried to delete it both in system and add/remove programs. The system part reinstalls at every reboot. Thanks for any help. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 17:55:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06498 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22416; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:20:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22206; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22173; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from jpd (user-38ldfc0.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.189.128]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26603 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981201161914.007ce2d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:19:14 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED]: Dial-Up Networking cannot start after suspend mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am running Windows 98 on a 770ED. After Suspend mode, every time I try to connect to my ISP using Dial-Up Networking I get the following message: "DComic Sans MSial-up Networking cannot start. Restart your computer, and then try again. If the problem persists, re-install Dial-Up Networking." This only happens after going into suspend mode. I have to reboot the computer to solve the problem. Any ideas or comments? Jean-Pierre Diebold From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 18:43:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07046 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02184; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:41:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02058; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02020; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PII233 (209-20-1-169.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.1.169]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22141 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:41:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Lance Nichols" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: dang software! Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be1d83$7340cb20$0300005a@PII233.thorncliffe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: SGksIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgcGV0IHBlZXZlcyBJIGhhdmUgYWx3YXlzIGhhZCB3aXRoIG15IDcwMSBp cyBJIHJlYWxseSBjYW4ndCB1c2UgdGhlIGF3ZXNvbWUgdGVsZXBob255IGZlYXR1cmVzIGJ1aWx0 IGludG8gaXQncyBtb2RlbS4gTm9uZSBvZiB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBjb21tdW5pY2F0aW9uIHBhY2th Z2VzIHNlZW0gdG8gc3VwcG9ydCB0aGUgYWR2YW5jZWQgZmVhdHVyZXMgKHZvaWNlL3NwZWFrZXIg cGhvbmUpLiBTaW5jZSB1cGdyYWRpbmcgdG8gV2luZG93czk1IChhYm91dCBhIG1vbnRoIGFmdGVy IEkgZ290IHRoZSB1bml0KSBJIGhhdmUgbm90IGJlZW4gYWJsZSB0byBnZXQgdGhlIFRhbGt3b3Jr cyB0byB3b3JrIHByb3Blcmx5Li4gdW5sZXNzIEkgaW5zdGFsbCBOVDQuMCwgVEhFTiBpdCB3b3Jr cyENCg0KR28gZmlndXJlLCB0aGUgT1MgdGhhdCBpcyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSAxNmJpdCBjb21w YXRpYmxlIHdvbid0IHJ1biB0aGUgc29mdHdhcmUsIHRoZSBPUyB0aGF0IGlzIG5vdCBzdXBwb3Nl ZCB0byBzdXBwb3J0IDE2IGJpdCB3aWxsLiBBbnlvbmUga25vdyBvZiBob3cgdG8gZ2V0IHRoZSBz b2Z0d2FyZSBydW5uaW5nIHByb3Blcmx5LCBvciBvZiBhbnkgc29mdHdhcmUgdGhhdCBkb2VzIHdv cmsgd2l0aCB0aGUgdW5pdD8NCg0KRmVhciBpcyB0aGUgcGF0aCB0byB0aGUgZGFyayBTaWRlISBG ZWFyIGxlYWRzIHRvIGFuZ2VyISAgQW5nZXIgbGVhZHMgdG8gaGF0ZSEgSGF0ZSBsZWFkcyB0byBz dWZmZXJpbmchIC0gSmVkaSBNYXN0ZXIgWW9kYSwgVFBNDQoNCkxhbmNlIE5pY2hvbHMNCnRoaW5r cGFkQGludGVybG9nLmNvbQ0KIA== From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 19:55:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07866 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05843; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:50:31 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05478; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id TAA14917 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05308; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F179D@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: NT Networking on 701 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:36:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 3:11 AM > To: ThinkPad List; Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com > Subject: RE: NT Networking on 701 > > > > [Huber, Robert] My experience was that the box went from almost > >constant disk thrashing to next to none. For me this made a great > difference > >since I have several apps active at once. > > Yeah, I noticed it does do a lot of disk activity. One thing I would like > also is that it > doesn't get so fragmented... And I have NTFS for that matter... > [Huber, Robert] I asked a similar question to the NT Sysop and his response was not to worry about disk fragmentation with NTFS, but if I really wanted to there were third party defrag utilities available for NT/NTFS. I did not get the s/w and have never noticed a problem. > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 750 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, > Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 20:00:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07947 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02286; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:42:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02187; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@acy7.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02158; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.9.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28215; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:46:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <199812012229.OAA18814@ritchie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:07:24 -0500 (EST), Stephen Amadei wrote: > > >On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >> Well, guess what? I'm finally sending my original 701 in to EasyServer > >> tomorrow or > >> Wed., but now this d**n keyboard on my newer 701 broke, because one line on > >> the flex cable > >> is cut. > > > >If only one line is cut, why not try to repair it. I repaired mine. > > > >Go to Pep Boys and buy a rear window defroster repair kit. It costs about > >$5 but it's uses are endless... it's basically conductive paint. > > > >Get some scotch tape, tape behind the break in the cable, and with a small > >amount of the 'paint' on the brush, put some of the conductive paint in > >the break, being very careful not to paint multiple lines together. > > > >Then wrap the rest of the tape around the break, protecting the repair. > > > >Mine has survived for 8 months this way. > > > Are you serious? Wow. Hmmm... > So, it's like a liquid conducter? Yep. It dries, of course. I'm not familiar with the epoxy Dave mentioned... (but I'll be watching for it now ;-) ), but I've used the Defroster Repair Kit stuff for my 360C keyboard ribbon, many broken traces in my normal keyboard, some beat up electronics and, well, a rear defroster. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 20:14:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08148 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06828; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:06:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06713; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net (smtp0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06690; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm600e by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust249.tnt14.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.172.249]) id QQfryi03861; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:06:27 GMT Message-ID: <199812012005100352.00C07CA3@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> In-Reply-To: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.04 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:05:10 -0500 From: "Michael Mahoney" To: alee@cavecreations.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Al, I got it installed on my 600E, however it said my 3com wasn't plug and play= compliant. I messed with it for a while and ended up uninstalling it. I= had a 600 befor this and I've noticed many of the drivers and or software= don't seem to work as well as the NT drivers for the 600. I keep checking= the ibm matrix page hoping they post an udate for the video, and the= modem. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/1/98, at 5:24 AM, Albert C. Lee wrote: >Is it just me or does the Thinkpad's nice sleek rubberized black >finish attract fingerprints and any sort of body oil? Is there an >easy way to get rid of it? > >Also, I bought CardWizard 4.1 to replace the 3.0 version for NT that >comes with the Thinkpad 600E. Anyway, to make a long story short, it >doesn't work at all. Actually, at one point trying a reinstallation, >I crashed to the point where I couldn't uninstall/reinstall CW3.1, and >forced me to restore a registry from backup. > >I am going to return it (if I can ever get in touch with a human at >Systemsoft... I'm getting ready to cancel the charge on my credit card >myself). But before I do, has anyone on a Thinkpad 600/600E had a >chance to get 4.1 to work? Is there a trick? It installs fine, it >never even detects the first card insertion. > >-Al > > > >-- >Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com >(c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. Michael Mahoney mahoneym@pop.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 20:16:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08210 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07311; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:13:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07219; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07199; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bp ([12.77.217.175]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981202011248.PRF4665@bp>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:12:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3664943D.4584@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:13:33 -0500 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: ThinkPad list Subject: Re: i720 for my wife, or not? References: <000001be1d59$37ae0980$0500a8c0@770> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Give your wife the 770-1AU and get the new 770X-7AU for your CAD and grafjics. The 13.7 hi res screen is ideal for your work. hdd,floppy,zip all interchangable. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 21:28:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09424 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10313; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:25:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10177; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from BEETHOVEN (beethoven.singa.pore.net [202.169.225.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10164; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from seattle - 202.169.227.58 by singa.pore.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:20:21 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981202102344.007ee270@mail.aloha.net> X-Sender: whg@mail.aloha.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:23:44 +0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: 360C BIOS update and (lack of) battery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: CPR for 360... I've got a dusty old 360C which I'd like revive from it's hideout in the bottom of a drawer. It has a problem with the main battery power and backup power, so I have to enter the bios date when booting, and the main battery cannot power it. This is normally not a problem, because I just run it on wall power. Wanting to install Windows 95 on it, I need to upgrade the BIOS to 1.43 (or at least 1.40). The docs say to make sure to have a fully charged battery and have the ThinkPad plugged into the wall...but I'm willing to risk my system by relying only on the wall power (we have very few (if any) power outages here). The solution to the power problems are anyway a new system board. When running the Flash BIOS upgrade 1.43 (menu: 2. Update system program), I get some different error messages. The first one is like this: Error The system power management is disabled. The process has been cancelled. Esc=Cancel Looked around on IBM's site. They mentioned something about ensuring that the power.exe is being loaded from the config.sys, so I added it (had just low-level formatted the hd so there is no old stuff lying around). I still get that error sometimes when running the update software, but trying with and without battery in, I sometimes get no errors (but no action in system update except it goes back to the menu), and now I get this one also: Error This process requires a charged battery to avoid an accidental power off during an update. Turn off the computer and install a charged battery in the computer. Esc=Cancel Ironically, my battery is fully charged and in good shape--it is just not seen by the computer. ;) So, my question is quite simple. How to I trick/fool/overcome this so I can update to the BIOS needed to run Windows 95? Any chance that BIOS 1.40-1.42 is not asking for this? Where to find the older BIOS files? Or can I run Windows 95 on my BIOS 1.16? Any help i sappreciated. -Martin ------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 21:58:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09892 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11509; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:51:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11412; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11398; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld3ci.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.141.146]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAB21949 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: i720 for my wife, or not? Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <199812012229.OAA26654@smtp2.Stanford.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: You are probably right about the 64mb max. I recall a lengthy exchange here to that effect some time ago. I wouldn't know if the additional 32mb makes a difference, as I have not used this laptop with anything other than 96mb. I have flirted with NT, but currently use '98. I think that I read that with NT there is no performance loss, only with 95/98. WA -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fink [mailto:rfink@leland.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 5:29 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: Re: i720 for my wife, or not? At 01:34 PM 12/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Here are my options: > >I own a 770 (the original one: 9549-1AU) with 96mb. of RAM and a DVD drive. >My original idea was to give this laptop to my wife and replace it with a >770X for myself. I do a lot of CAD and graphics and the better screen and >video are most desirable. I also believe that the 770X will be ideal for >Windows 2000, if and when it becomes available (early next year?). > Sorry not to answer your question, but I have one for you. I have the exact same machine (no $$ for a 770X, more's the pity), but I thought that putting more than 64mb of ram in would actually slow the machine down (P233 MMX processor uses a chip set that can only cache 64mb of ram). Did you consider this? Is the performance better or worse with 96mb than with >= 64? rwf _____________________________________________ Robert Fink UCLA; Stanford Humanities Center 98-99 NEW: rfink@leland.stanford.edu bfink@ix.netcom.com "The point of recapitulation in the first movement of the Ninth is one of the most horrifying moments in music, as the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling, murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release." (McClary 1987) ______________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 22:22:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10195 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12752; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:20:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12641; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12620; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from amdk6266 ([205.130.18.20]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 5517500 ; Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be1da2$adb6d320$020aa8c0@amdk6266> From: "Slip" To: "Lance Nichols" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: dang software! Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:20:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >Go figure, the OS that is supposed to be 16bit compatible won't run the software, the OS that is not supposed >to support 16 bit will. Anyone know of how to get the software running properly, or of any software that does >work with the unit? Yeah, you can download a voice(including answering machine)/fax/(i thiiinnk data as well, but don't hold it to me) program from IBM's site specifically for the 701. Works great. Go to http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PLMY2.html and click on Faxworks under the TP701 matrix. You'll need two floppy disks to extract it to. HTH -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 22:56:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10663 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14128; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14025; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14001; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA86800; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:55:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Michael Mahoney cc: alee@cavecreations.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 In-Reply-To: <199812012005100352.00C07CA3@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> Message-ID: Organization: Yeshiva University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: It's too bad you bought it, you can download from IBM's web site (under the section for Thinkpad 390). Installing it over a previous version is tricky: 1. boot up with no cards in 2. uninstall old version 3. reboot with no cards in 4. install new version 5 reboot with cards in. Then you must run the wizard on the network card to check to see if it is hot-swappable. On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Michael Mahoney wrote: > Al, > > I got it installed on my 600E, however it said my 3com wasn't plug and play compliant. I messed with it for a while and ended up uninstalling it. I had a 600 befor this and I've noticed many of the drivers and or software don't seem to work as well as the NT drivers for the 600. I keep checking the ibm matrix page hoping they post an udate for the video, and the modem. > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 12/1/98, at 5:24 AM, Albert C. Lee wrote: > > >Is it just me or does the Thinkpad's nice sleek rubberized black > >finish attract fingerprints and any sort of body oil? Is there an > >easy way to get rid of it? > > > >Also, I bought CardWizard 4.1 to replace the 3.0 version for NT that > >comes with the Thinkpad 600E. Anyway, to make a long story short, it > >doesn't work at all. Actually, at one point trying a reinstallation, > >I crashed to the point where I couldn't uninstall/reinstall CW3.1, and > >forced me to restore a registry from backup. > > > >I am going to return it (if I can ever get in touch with a human at > >Systemsoft... I'm getting ready to cancel the charge on my credit card > >myself). But before I do, has anyone on a Thinkpad 600/600E had a > >chance to get 4.1 to work? Is there a trick? It installs fine, it > >never even detects the first card insertion. > > > >-Al > > > > > > > >-- > >Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > >(c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. > > Michael Mahoney > mahoneym@pop.net > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 01:22:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12040 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18755; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:20:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18659; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18647; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (19.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.83]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA06185; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:20:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3664DC7B.93E4C1C8@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 01:21:48 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albert C. Lee" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Albert... use a mixture of alcohol, water and dish soap to clean TFT displays and cases.. i use about 10% denatured alcohol, a good squirt of Joy and the rest water in an old windex spray bottle.. never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) Albert C. Lee wrote: > Is it just me or does the Thinkpad's nice sleek rubberized black > finish attract fingerprints and any sort of body oil? Is there an > easy way to get rid of it? > > Also, I bought CardWizard 4.1 to replace the 3.0 version for NT that > comes with the Thinkpad 600E. Anyway, to make a long story short, it > doesn't work at all. Actually, at one point trying a reinstallation, > I crashed to the point where I couldn't uninstall/reinstall CW3.1, and > forced me to restore a registry from backup. > > I am going to return it (if I can ever get in touch with a human at > Systemsoft... I'm getting ready to cancel the charge on my credit card > myself). But before I do, has anyone on a Thinkpad 600/600E had a > chance to get 4.1 to work? Is there a trick? It installs fine, it > never even detects the first card insertion. > > -Al > > -- > Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 01:31:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12147 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19203; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:29:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19093; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19081; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-121.usc.edu [128.125.223.121]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA13018; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:29:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981201222837.00a0e490@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:29:19 -0800 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Gaffe (Was: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1) In-Reply-To: <3664DC7B.93E4C1C8@icanect.net> References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:21 AM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. >just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) My wife gets pretty angry when I spray her down... ;-) ----- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net - Practice random acts of senseless viol...err...kindness! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 08:50:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA15371 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07354; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:47:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07243; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07162; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:46:02 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA13088 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:45:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36654479.8F194D0@csc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:45:29 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: Gaffe (Was: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1) References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> <4.1.19981201222837.00a0e490@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle wrote: > > At 01:21 AM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: > >never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. > >just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) > > My wife gets pretty angry when I spray her down... ;-) > Hey, if it helps remove fingerprints... > ----- > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > > - Practice random acts of senseless viol...err...kindness! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 09:57:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA16152 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07096; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:44:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06977; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06962; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:43:50 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA12763 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:43:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366543F6.9C5C44C0@csc.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:43:18 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> <3664DC7B.93E4C1C8@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > > Albert... > > use a mixture of alcohol, water and dish soap to clean TFT displays and > cases.. > i use about 10% denatured alcohol, a good squirt of Joy and the rest water > in an old windex spray bottle.. > > never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. > just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) > I didn't think using paper towels on LCDs was a good idea. Aren't they pretty scratchy? One thing I've found useful for cleaning the LCD, case, keyboard, etc. is the little individually packaged alcohol-based screen wipes. I'm not sure what good it does to wet both the paper towel and the WIFE?? ;-) Freudian slip perhaps? Couldn't resist... Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 11:48:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17750 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17098; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:44:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16912; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16890; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter (142.90.100.91) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:43:49 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: , "Martin Lyngvig" Subject: Re: 360C BIOS update and (lack of) battery Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:43:21 -0000 Message-ID: <01be1dcf$d1350060$5b645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: The Bios Ver 1.4X was designed for Win 95 . Some changes were made in the Plug and play protocol among other things. So yes, you want Bios ver 1.4x. I have spare, one internal DC/DC power supply for a 360x. $45 US ??...plus transpo This should fix the battery problem . The backup power is a bunch of Nicad Cells soldered together underneath the floppy bay and usually under a piece of plastic. One screw removes the plastic and lets you remove the battery. IBM was no unreasonable on the price of this thing ...$7.50 ??? But first measure the voltage. I'm away from my bible at the moment but look for the tpvol2.pdf wich is the HMMM (hardware maintenace manual ) It's best found on IBM FTP site . ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/tpvol2.pdf I believe it was 3 cells so that should be 3.6 volt (ish). How do you know that your regular battery is good? And how are you charging it if your TP360's DC/DC converter is brocken ? In regards to you error messages you are doing something wrong (grin). The standard IBM Bios upgrade creates a BOOTable floppy . It cares not about your system software. Download it again ? Good luck. ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Lyngvig To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:26 AM Subject: 360C BIOS update and (lack of) battery >CPR for 360... > >I've got a dusty old 360C which I'd like revive from it's hideout in the >bottom of a drawer. It has a problem with the main battery power and backup >power, so I have to enter the bios date when booting, and the main battery >cannot power it. This is normally not a problem, because I just run it on >wall power. > >Wanting to install Windows 95 on it, I need to upgrade the BIOS to 1.43 (or >at least 1.40). The docs say to make sure to have a fully charged battery >and have the ThinkPad plugged into the wall...but I'm willing to risk my >system by relying only on the wall power (we have very few (if any) power >outages here). The solution to the power problems are anyway a new system >board. No they are not. See above > >When running the Flash BIOS upgrade 1.43 (menu: 2. Update system program), >I get some different error messages. The first one is like this: > >Error >The system power management is disabled. The process has been cancelled. >Esc=Cancel > >Looked around on IBM's site. They mentioned something about ensuring that >the power.exe is being loaded from the config.sys, so I added it (had just >low-level formatted the hd so there is no old stuff lying around). I still >get that error sometimes when running the update software, but trying with >and without battery in, I sometimes get no errors (but no action in system >update except it goes back to the menu), and now I get this one also: > >Error >This process requires a charged battery to avoid an accidental power off >during an update. Turn off the computer and install a charged battery in >the computer. >Esc=Cancel > >Ironically, my battery is fully charged and in good shape--it is just not >seen by the computer. ;) > >So, my question is quite simple. How to I trick/fool/overcome this so I can >update to the BIOS needed to run Windows 95? Any chance that BIOS 1.40-1.42 >is not asking for this? Where to find the older BIOS files? Or can I run >Windows 95 on my BIOS 1.16? > >Any help i sappreciated. > >-Martin > >------------------------------------------------------------ > Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org >------------------------------------------------------------ > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 14:03:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19969 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25388; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:45:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25264; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25239; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02404 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:44:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981201100027.00a09510@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:14 PM 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote: > >the next hour. :-) A newsreaders is built into Netscape, and > >it's trivial to link to a newsgroup via an HTML tag, so I > >don't think it should be an issue that most people don't know > >what it is. > > John, you overestimate the abilities of your internet-using (newly so) > peers. To you and I, and perhaps most anyone on this list, it is indeed > trivial. But to a host of people who have hooked on to the internet in the > past year or two, it is not. These people know how to use a web browser > and their e-mail software--and nothing else. Actually, all I meant was that it was trivial to put a link to a newsgroup on a web page. Once the link is there, the browser will automatically open up the newsgroup with the newsreader even if the user doesn't know what a newsreader is, and you can do stuff like this: > one "private" newsgroup that one of the Prof's in my Electronic Commerce > program when I was at USC was invited to join. It was essentially a > newsgroup, but required a password for access. It made use of Netscape's > "Collabra" software, a part of its "Communicator" suite (which included > Navigator 4.0). This is a fabulous solution, as it allows you to limit > access to people who want to be part of the discussion and lock out spammers. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 14:04:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20003 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25355; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:42:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24985; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from BEETHOVEN (beethoven.singa.pore.net [202.169.225.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24966; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from seattle - 202.169.227.58 by singa.pore.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:37:30 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981203024055.0086edd0@mail.aloha.net> X-Sender: whg@mail.aloha.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 02:40:55 +0800 To: "peter machule" , From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: Re: 360C BIOS update and (lack of) battery In-Reply-To: <01be1dcf$d1350060$5b645a8e@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, there is no problems with any of my batteries or the internal power supply - it all passes the tests in the HMM--so the solution is to replace the system board (according to HMM). But that is what I want to avoid, because I can live eith the minor issue of typing the date in at every boot and just run on wall power. And, erm, of course the downloaded file creates a bootable floppy...it's when booting on that floppy and running the program that the error occurs... ;) If you do have a system board for the 360C, then I may be interested in that tho... :) -Martin At about 08:43 02-12-98 -0000, peter machule scribbled: >The Bios Ver 1.4X was designed for Win 95 . Some changes were made in the >Plug and play protocol among other things. >So yes, you want Bios ver 1.4x. >I have spare, one internal DC/DC power supply for a 360x. >$45 US ??...plus transpo >This should fix the battery problem . >The backup power is a bunch of Nicad Cells soldered together underneath the >floppy bay and usually under a piece of plastic. > One screw removes the plastic and lets you remove the battery. >IBM was no unreasonable on the price of this thing ...$7.50 ??? >But first measure the voltage. I'm away from my bible at the moment but look for >the tpvol2.pdf wich is the HMMM (hardware maintenace manual ) >It's best found on IBM FTP site . >ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/tpvol2.pdf >I believe it was 3 cells so that should be 3.6 volt (ish). > >How do you know that your regular battery is good? >And how are you charging it if your TP360's DC/DC converter is brocken ? > >In regards to you error messages you are doing something wrong (grin). >The standard IBM Bios upgrade creates a BOOTable floppy . It cares not about your >system software. Download it again ? >Good luck. > >..peter.. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Martin Lyngvig >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:26 AM >Subject: 360C BIOS update and (lack of) battery > > >>CPR for 360... >> >>I've got a dusty old 360C which I'd like revive from it's hideout in the >>bottom of a drawer. It has a problem with the main battery power and backup >>power, so I have to enter the bios date when booting, and the main battery >>cannot power it. This is normally not a problem, because I just run it on >>wall power. >> >>Wanting to install Windows 95 on it, I need to upgrade the BIOS to 1.43 (or >>at least 1.40). The docs say to make sure to have a fully charged battery >>and have the ThinkPad plugged into the wall...but I'm willing to risk my >>system by relying only on the wall power (we have very few (if any) power >>outages here). The solution to the power problems are anyway a new system >>board. > >No they are not. See above >> >>When running the Flash BIOS upgrade 1.43 (menu: 2. Update system program), >>I get some different error messages. The first one is like this: >> >>Error >>The system power management is disabled. The process has been cancelled. >>Esc=Cancel >> >>Looked around on IBM's site. They mentioned something about ensuring that >>the power.exe is being loaded from the config.sys, so I added it (had just >>low-level formatted the hd so there is no old stuff lying around). I still >>get that error sometimes when running the update software, but trying with >>and without battery in, I sometimes get no errors (but no action in system >>update except it goes back to the menu), and now I get this one also: >> >>Error >>This process requires a charged battery to avoid an accidental power off >>during an update. Turn off the computer and install a charged battery in >>the computer. >>Esc=Cancel >> >>Ironically, my battery is fully charged and in good shape--it is just not >>seen by the computer. ;) >> >>So, my question is quite simple. How to I trick/fool/overcome this so I can >>update to the BIOS needed to run Windows 95? Any chance that BIOS 1.40-1.42 >>is not asking for this? Where to find the older BIOS files? Or can I run >>Windows 95 on my BIOS 1.16? >> >>Any help i sappreciated. >> >>-Martin >> >>------------------------------------------------------------ >> Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org >>------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 15:11:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20978 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00996; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:57:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00841; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00828; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (125.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.253]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA02466; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:57:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36659BFE.196FB744@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:58:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Gaffe (Was: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1) References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> <4.1.19981201222837.00a0e490@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: WIPE..!! WIPE.. when MY wife has a wet paper towel.... :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 01:21 AM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: > >never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. > >just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) > > My wife gets pretty angry when I spray her down... ;-) > > ----- > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > > - Practice random acts of senseless viol...err...kindness! -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 15:12:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21001 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01571; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:07:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01429; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01417; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (125.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.253]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA06899; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36659E3E.70549FFC@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:08:31 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fingerprints and CardWizard 4.1 References: <199812011224.FAA19813@cavecreations.com> <3664DC7B.93E4C1C8@icanect.net> <366543F6.9C5C44C0@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the wfie holds the wet paper towel betwe... uhh, it WAS a slip.. wiPe, not wiFe.. :-) you may be right, a cotton towel is best.. but good soft paper towels are good, thats what i use.. i don't have any alcohol wipes (Kim Wipes?).. Rob Bell wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Albert... > > > > use a mixture of alcohol, water and dish soap to clean TFT displays and > > cases.. > > i use about 10% denatured alcohol, a good squirt of Joy and the rest water > > in an old windex spray bottle.. > > > > never spray a large amount directly ON the display.. > > just a fine mist, or, better, wet a paper towel and wife.. :-) > > > > I didn't think using paper towels on LCDs was a good idea. Aren't they > pretty scratchy? One thing I've found useful for cleaning the LCD, > case, keyboard, etc. is the little individually packaged alcohol-based > screen wipes. > > I'm not sure what good it does to wet both the paper towel and the > WIFE?? ;-) Freudian slip perhaps? > > Couldn't resist... > Rob -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 15:34:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21303 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02429; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:21:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02293; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02281; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:21:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981202202245.28208.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.71.238] by send104.yahoomail.com; Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:22:45 PST Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: ibm560x/z To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sir I think about possibility to buy true mobile laptop. My first opinion ,that Japan 10.4" model with full or LCD magnesium case is better as US competitor IBM560X/Z .Can you suggest some arguments pro and contra ? Competitor Sony 505G-FX,R -17*2 mm keyboard spacing 1500 milliamper*hour battery,full magnesium -1.35 kg Linux possible Panasonic CF21/22 -17*2 mm 2600 milliamper*hour battery,1.4 kg,Magnesium LCD,fiber reinforced low-case Portege 3010/15 -18*2.5 mm keyboard I would be very pleased for some info . Yours Respectfully Gerus(priwat person) 20146 Germany, Hamburg Postlagernd 084518 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 16:41:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22152 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06580; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:34:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06378; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06336; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA18074 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:34:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.34.207.123]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981202212852.TNWR13094@mci.com> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:28:52 -0600 Sender: teresa@mci.com Message-ID: <3665B0DB.6BD423EB@mci.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:27:55 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770E is odd shaped? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just received my 770E and the way the case is, its not square. The bottom of the case is just over 9.5", the top of the case is about 10". Fom the side the front edge looks like / instead of | . Are all the 14.1" LCD machines this way? My 770 with 13.3" screen was not this way. Seems more difficult to carry... has everyone gotten used to this? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 17:14:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22652 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08067; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:02:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07939; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07900; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28191 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:01:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (TRGV105P-EPESKAY-EPESKAY-EPESKAY.uhc.com [10.85.86.140]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28187 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:01:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202164903.00b5d940@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:49:03 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 770E is odd shaped? In-Reply-To: <3665B0DB.6BD423EB@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:27 PM 12/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >I just received my 770E and the way the case is, its not square. >The bottom of the case is just over 9.5", the top of the case is about >10". Fom the side the front edge looks like / instead of | . >Are all the 14.1" LCD machines this way? My 770 with 13.3" >screen was not this way. Seems more difficult to carry... has everyone >gotten used to this? > That's normal for the 770's with the 14.1" screen. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 18:45:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23904 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11980; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:35:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11845; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11832; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29564; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:35:35 -1000 Message-ID: <008401be1e54$d6b49e80$d43e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , "TP List" Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:35:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Actually, all I meant was that it was trivial to put a link to >a newsgroup on a web page. Once the link is there, the >browser will automatically open up the newsgroup with the >newsreader even if the user doesn't know what a newsreader is, >and you can do stuff like this: Strictly speaking, it will only work if the newsreader called by the browser (usually the browser itself) is configured with a correct news server, and if the group in question is carried by that server. So, some futzing is likely unavoidable. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 19:20:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24301 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13396; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:13:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13300; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13287; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29937; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:12:51 -1000 Message-ID: <00c001be1e5a$0b157c80$d43e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "swjatoslaw gerus" , Subject: Re: ibm560x/z Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:12:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >I think about possibility to buy true mobile laptop. >My first opinion ,that Japan 10.4" model with full >or LCD magnesium case is better as US competitor >IBM560X/Z .Can you suggest some arguments pro and contra ? Since EPB has both, he would be best to remark on this, but I think the most telling advantages of the 560 series over the Sony machine are (a) IBM support, and (b) real keyboard. The obvious advantages of the Sony and Toshiba are weight and case rigidity. BTW, I spent some time last month playing with both the Sony and the Toshiba side-by-side; the latter felt much better to me, though I don't know if I could use it as my primary machine (as my 560 has been recently). - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 21:15:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25750 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17138; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:10:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17013; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17001; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (2Cust61.tnt23.dfw5.da.uu.net [208.254.195.189]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04264 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by tnote with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1E38.896D5C00@tnote>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:12:58 -0700 Message-ID: <01BE1E38.896D5C00@tnote> From: Teresa Selling To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: Thinkpad 770E and 770ED at www.onsale.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just noticed that Onsale has some refurbished 770E and 770ED thinkpads (says 1yr warranty). Bids are around $1700 for the E's and $2100 for the EDs. (note: I'm not affiliated with onsale... just passing on what looks like a good deal). I may try to pick up another 770E myself to replace another 770 200mhz. http://www.onsale.com/category/Notebook_Computers.htm Also I have decided to auction my 770 P200Mhz thinkpad at ebay. Bidding starts at $1100. See link below. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=46346816 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 22:41:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26803 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20847; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20682; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20669; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id WAA26500; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:31:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:30:46 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770E and 770ED at www.onsal Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Teresa Selling , ThinkPad List Message-ID: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Teresa, And Microwarehouse has brand new TP390's P233 / 32MB 3.2HDD 24XCD 56K mod= em and 12.1 TFT for $1699 (extra 32MB RAM for $79 special) They have about 80 of them (less one just ordered for a friend ) Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 2 23:13:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27151 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22217; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:00:49 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22003; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id XAA25744 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20856; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb0339.capecod.net [209.244.245.85]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA24446 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3666050C.1876357D@capecod.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:27:09 -0500 From: bigdaddy Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP 770(7AU) Std Config Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of ungrading my TP760XD to a 770 X (7AU). I want to be able to watch DVD movies on the TP with hardware MPEG2 decoding. Reading the IBM web site data leads me to believe that I need to order the enhanced video adapter in addition to the 770X. Is this correct and if so how much extra $ is involved? Thanks Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 00:14:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28183 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25814; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:10:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25584; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25571; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13542 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:10:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (rasgvnt0408.uhc.com [168.183.199.189]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13538 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:10:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981202235743.00b64290@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:57:43 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' - well, maybe not.... In-Reply-To: <008401be1e54$d6b49e80$d43e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I hadn't made a pass through the CIS ThinkPad Forum in a couple of days and found this happy little surprise tonight in the Announcements: "THINKPAD(r) Forum Survives! The rumors of this forum's demise have been greatly exaggerated! THIS FORUM IS NO LONGER MANAGED BY, OR ASSOCIATED WITH IBM CORPORATION. This is now an indepdent, user supported forum, managed by an indepdendent third party. This forum is available for the exchange information, knowledge and experiences with IBM Thinkpads, Workpads and other mobile computing devices. We are in the process of reviewing the forum message base and libraries, so please bear with us while we review the contents and layout of this forum. In the meantime, if you have any suggestions for how we can improve this forum to better meet your needs (or if you would like to volunteer to help with this forum), please be sure to let me know. Larry Finkelstein, Wizop 76702,1354 IBM and Thinkpad are registered trademarks of IBM Corporation. This forum is not associated in any way with IBM Corporation. It is indpendenty managed and operated by Creative Systems Programming Corporation, a CompuServe Business Partner." So, it looks like the resources available to us ThinkPad users just expanded again! Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 03:34:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA00539 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02240; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:32:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02143; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02131; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA01658; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:37 -1000 Message-ID: <000c01be1e9f$dc69b0e0$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:32:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Me: >>Then there's always spit and bailing wire... Paul: >How reliable would this be, as in, would it catch on the system when the keyboard >closes? That's what I'm worried about... The spit or the bailing wire? - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 04:36:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA00903 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04783; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:34:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04672; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04653; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA01775; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:32:55 -1000 Message-ID: <003b01be1ea8$4c2e6300$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "H Doan" , Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:32:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship >me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average turn-around? If they have all the relevant parts in stock, then they shouldn't spend more than a couple of hours on actual repair (they just swap FRUs in and out until it works), so < 1 day including processing at their end. On the other hand, if swapping doesn't work, or they don't have all parts around, it can take a substantial period of time. Then there's FedEx variability - they're the only shipper I know that will deliberately stop a package if they think it is getting to the destination faster than specified for the rate class chosen. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 05:47:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA01308 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 05:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04176; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:18:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04054; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04042; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:18:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981203091420.26401.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.0.34.12] by send1e; Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:14:20 PST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: H Doan Subject: IBM Service turn-arounds? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average turn-around? Thanks, Hung _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 06:12:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01433 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13333; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:07:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13251; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from didim.cypronet.net (IDENT:root@merkez.cypronet.net [193.192.125.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13238; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([193.192.124.27]) by didim.cypronet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA24246; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:15:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199812031115.NAA24246@didim.cypronet.net> From: "Thom Parkhill" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Jane Loyless" Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:18:26 +0200 (EET) Reply-To: "Thom Parkhill" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981202235743.00b64290@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' - well, maybe not.... List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:57:43 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote that the new CompuServe forum message came from: >Larry Finkelstein, Wizop 76702,1354 > >IBM and Thinkpad are registered trademarks of IBM Corporation. This forum >is not associated in any way with IBM Corporation. It is indpendenty >managed and operated by Creative Systems Programming Corporation, a >CompuServe Business Partner." For those of us using OS/2 this is good news indeed. Larry F. is the main force behind Golden CommPass, an offline CompuServe reader. It's had a bumpy history, but seems to have steadied a bit. I also think he was working on a replacement for OS2Cim to facilitate graphics based OS/2 CompuServe usage. The discussion of the relative merits of listservs, fora like those on CompuServe or AOL, news groups, or web-based discussion lists (I'm thinking of HyperNews, a program I've used relatively successfully for electronic discussion in the context of university courses) turns, for me, on the different kinds of discourse communities found there. It seems to me that an important facet of this is diversity. I like to see a whole range of conversations in a whole lot of places because the more conversations there are, the more likely I am to find one in which I belong. Thom. Thom Parkhill Department of Religious Studies St. Thomas Unversity Fredericton, N.B. Canada until July, 1999: parkhill@cypronet.net after July, 1999: parkhill@stthomasu.ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 09:48:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03132 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19161; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:40:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19029; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19010; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from fex (ti01a21-0092.dialup.online.no [130.67.9.220]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA13756 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:40:45 +0100 (MET) From: "Franklin Eekhout" To: Subject: 760EL & W98? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:39:39 +0100 Message-ID: <01be1eca$c1f46900$0101a8c0@fex> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Any helpful hints in getting suspend and hibernation working well in W98? Or should one just go back to W95? When coming back from suspended the screen looks ok at first, then parts of it disappear here and there and it locks up. Ctrl-Alt-Delete doesn't work, the power has to be recycled. We tried installing Fuelgage (says in doc it's ok for W98), but it complains a file, inst????.dll, is missing... Any ideas? br Franklin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 10:12:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03387 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20629; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:05:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20531; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20517; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from fex (ti01a21-0027.dialup.online.no [130.67.9.155]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16425 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:05:03 +0100 (MET) From: "Franklin Eekhout" To: Subject: 760EL and APM/APCI? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:04:23 +0100 Message-ID: <01be1ece$36890c00$0101a8c0@fex> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Mmm, took a look at the ibm site again and found the W98 tips this time... The power management window shown is not like the one I have... http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3VJLL8.html Shows a multi-tab'ed window in Control Panel, Power Management. Mine has just the four lower tabs. Nothing for suspend/hibernation and processor speed? Do I have APCI or APM? Or both? In system devices there is a device called A.. P.. M.., nothing about APCI. More and more strange. br Franklin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 11:38:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04488 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26116; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26011; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25992; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124] (may be forged)) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA22562; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3666BCE6.AB4F29C2@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:31:34 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teresa Selling CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770E is odd shaped? References: <3665B0DB.6BD423EB@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Teresa.. yes.. it IS odd, and i commented on this when the 1AU model arrived last year.. makes it tricky to get a carry bag.. the 770X is this way as well Teresa Selling wrote: > I just received my 770E and the way the case is, its not square. > The bottom of the case is just over 9.5", the top of the case is about > 10". Fom the side the front edge looks like / instead of | . > Are all the 14.1" LCD machines this way? My 770 with 13.3" > screen was not this way. Seems more difficult to carry... has everyone > gotten used to this? -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 11:40:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04512 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25651; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:25:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25471; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25454; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip129-37-235-187.ca.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-235-187.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.235.187]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA60438 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:24:43 GMT From: tdwis@ibm.net (T Wiseman) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:24:38 GMT Message-ID: <3668bb2a.3433224@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <003b01be1ea8$4c2e6300$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <003b01be1ea8$4c2e6300$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: >>I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship >>me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average = turn-around? In the 3 years my Thinkpad was under warranty, I would estimate having returned it to IBM for repair as many as 20 times. In all instances except one: IBM received it the morning after it was shipped, repaired it the same day or the next, and I received it the following day. In other words, expect to have it back in your possession the second or third day after you sent it off. I've always been very pleased with their service, and FedEx's too. Also, if you want to cut one day off of this routine and if you have a box in shippable condition that you've saved from previous EZServ handling, tell the IBM tech support person you don't need to have a box sent to you. Pack the Thinkpad in your box, take it to a FedEx shipping counter, write the Case # and EasyServ's Memphis address on the shipping label, select standard overnight delivery (since EZServ is next to FedEx in Memphis it still gets delivered early AM), tell =46edEx that the recipient will pay the shipping charge, and off it goes. I've done this many times, and appreciated both the ability to recycle a box and to get quicker turnaround on the repair. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 12:31:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05218 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29594; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:12:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29475; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29445; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id MAA15565; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:12:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:11:41 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: H Doan , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812031212_MC2-6260-2D2D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: H, My experience was very good for a keyboard replacement and some minor stu= ff like a broken port cover. I call on a Sunday; got the box (wonderful hammock design) on Tuesday fir= st thing; packed and sent if back using the prepaid overnight label; got it back on Friday morning. Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 12:56:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05676 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01871; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:47:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01733; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01701; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-224-179.usc.edu [128.125.224.179]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA29901 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981203094432.00a0a9c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:46:24 +0000 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Win 98 File Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, My apologies for this being not directly TP-related.... In a nutshell, I've been having problems with a new Win 98 install on my TP 600. I think a Win 98 file is corrupted, and I'd like if someone using Win 98 would be willing to send me a file that Windows uses. The file is MSGSRV32.EXE. I think its about 10K, so its pretty small. Would someone be willing to E-mail that to me? Thank you in advance. ------ Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 15:35:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07981 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11568; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:12:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11167; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11148; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03474; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:12:33 -1000 Message-ID: <002101be1f01$a389d4a0$7b3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "T Wiseman" , Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:12:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: T. Wiseman wrote: "In the 3 years my Thinkpad was under warranty, I would estimate having returned it to IBM for repair as many as 20 times...I've always been very pleased..." If that isn't damning IBM with faint praise, I don't know what is. What ever happened to their policy of 3 repairs=new machine? (This is, after all, the policy that magically transformed my 701 into a 560!) - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 17:32:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09765 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20259; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20029; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20017; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124] (may be forged)) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA16319; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36671021.78B8FAC0@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:26:41 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: H Doan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? References: <003b01be1ea8$4c2e6300$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. re. FedEx.. i have never heard of such a claim leveled at fedex.. i have, in fact, had 2 day economy packages delivered the next day.. afternoon packages delivered in the morning.. and such like.. ALSO, they finally delivered a package to a fellow in South Carolina who had scrambled his zip code to a kansas zip code.. i have nothing but praise for fedex and their people..!! UPS is another story.. David Ross wrote: > >I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship > >me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average turn-around? > > If they have all the relevant parts in stock, then they shouldn't spend more than a couple of hours on actual repair (they just swap > FRUs in and out until it works), so < 1 day including processing at their end. On the other hand, if swapping doesn't work, or they > don't have all parts around, it can take a substantial period of time. Then there's FedEx variability - they're the only shipper I > know that will deliberately stop a package if they think it is getting to the destination faster than specified for the rate class > chosen. > > - David R. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 17:36:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09824 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19935; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:22:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19832; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19819; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip129-37-227-117.az.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-227-117.az.us.ibm.net [129.37.227.117]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA57404; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:22:19 GMT From: tdwis@ibm.net (T Wiseman) To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:22:20 GMT Message-ID: <366d0c7c.24253824@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <002101be1f01$a389d4a0$7b3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <002101be1f01$a389d4a0$7b3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: >If that isn't damning IBM with faint praise, I don't know what is. What= ever happened to=20 >their policy of 3 repairs=3Dnew machine? >(This is, after all, >the policy that magically transformed my 701 into a 560!) > >- David R. Never heard or read of that policy. The only problem of the ones I experienced which could be called recurring would be one with the internal microphone not functioning. It was on the blink 3 or 4 times in the 3 year warranty period. The other problems were hardly ones which caused me to demand a new machine, and with the speed of EZServ repair, I was never really inconvenienced. I could imagine others in different situations might be. But congratulations on your magical transformation! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 17:49:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09985 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20910; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:30:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20786; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20736; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA18487; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:30:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3667115E.E00035EC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:31:58 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H Doan CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? References: <19981203091420.26401.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unless a part (HDD, memory or the like) is involved in the problem, don't send it with the machine.. usually it is BEST to NEVER send the HDD unless you have it backed up..!! H Doan wrote: > I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship > me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average turn-around? > > Thanks, > Hung > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 17:50:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09999 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21803; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:41:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21662; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21649; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA22649; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:41:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366713E2.3CD7B8AB@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:42:42 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Darn 701 Keyboard References: <000c01be1e9f$dc69b0e0$343e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: epoxy resin and a little glass fiber works wonders..! David Ross wrote: > Me: > > >>Then there's always spit and bailing wire... > > Paul: > > >How reliable would this be, as in, would it catch on the system when the keyboard > >closes? That's what I'm worried about... > > The spit or the bailing wire? > > - David R. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 18:05:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10186 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13557; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:44:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13395; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13361; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124] (may be forged)) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA04139; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:44:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3666F892.14446390@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:46:10 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP 770(7AU) Std Config References: <3666050C.1876357D@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: yes bigdaddy wrote: > I'm thinking of ungrading my TP760XD to a 770 X (7AU). I want to be > able to watch DVD movies on the TP with hardware MPEG2 decoding. > Reading the IBM web site data leads me to believe that I need to order > the enhanced video adapter in addition to the 770X. Is this correct and > if so how much extra $ is involved? > > Thanks > > Bob -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 18:30:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10605 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24909; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:17:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24815; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-11.compuserve.com (arl-img-11.compuserve.com [149.174.217.141]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24760; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id SAA13871; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:15:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:14:57 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: Compuserve ThinkPad Forum is Finis' Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <199812031815_MC2-626A-8B9C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Jane, Yeah but the new management has not unlocked the door yet -- I just tried= to post and got a failure. Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 19:29:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11305 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27851; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:21:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27712; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27687; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA04674; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:20:49 -1000 Message-ID: <002b01be1f24$5323ee60$cb3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "T Wiseman" Cc: Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:20:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Me: > What ever happened to >their policy of 3 repairs=new machine? T. Wiseman: "Never heard or read of that policy....But congratulations on your magical transformation!" Several of us on this list have enjoyed similar upgrades. Either 3 or 5 used to be IBM policy, though it might be that one had to talk to customer service instead of Easy-Serve. Of course, if the machine being discussed is still in production, then the new replacement would be the same model, not an upgrade. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 19:48:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11516 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28819; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:39:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28720; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28708; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9556 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1998 00:39:06 -0000 Received: from user2.teleport.com (pccare@192.108.254.12) by smtp2.teleport.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 00:39:06 -0000 Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA27482; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:39:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM PS/2 L40 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Can anyone point me at a url for info on this machine? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp 4.0, NTW 4.0, & the HP200LX, PGP 2.x Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 19:54:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11570 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23821; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:56:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23665; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23643; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (60.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.124]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA28183; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3667176A.A0F88CF8@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:57:46 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Win 98 File Request References: <4.1.19981203094432.00a0a9c0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i sent the file to randy.. Randal Whittle wrote: > Hello all, > > My apologies for this being not directly TP-related.... > > In a nutshell, I've been having problems with a new Win 98 install on my > TP 600. I think a Win 98 file is corrupted, and I'd like if someone using > Win 98 would be willing to send me a file that Windows uses. > > The file is MSGSRV32.EXE. I think its about 10K, so its pretty small. > > Would someone be willing to E-mail that to me? > > Thank you in advance. > > ------ > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > Wise men talk because they have something to say. > Fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 20:00:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11626 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29711; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:53:46 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29600; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id TAA04813 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27551; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA04665; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:00 -1000 Message-ID: <000e01be1f23$cac0c520$cb3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: [OT] was: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:16:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >re. FedEx.. >i have never heard of such a claim leveled at fedex.. >i have, in fact, had 2 day economy packages delivered the next day.. >afternoon packages delivered in the morning.. >and such like.. This used to be the case for me too, even here in Hawaii. More recently (last 2 years or so) I've had repeated problems with them. Once, when they sat a package of mine in Oakland for 2+ days, causing it to miss a Friday flight out (so I didn't get a package until late Monday, though it had been sent the previous Wednesday), they explicitly told me that it was because I didn't pay the extra for overnight delivery. >From Hawaii I assume 8 days for an Easy-Serve repair: one for the repair itself, and the rest for travel (which is often fast on one side, slow on the other). One reason I prefer USPS for almost everything these days is that they work on weekends. (Also, if I miss the delivery for some reason, I can pick it up at the local post office, which is much closer than the local FedEx warehouse.) - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 22:07:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12961 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05077; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:03:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04951; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.206.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04871; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id WAA21009; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:02:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:01:15 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Bill Morrow , David Ross Cc: H Doan , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812032201_MC2-626A-F0EE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Bill, << i have never heard of such a claim leveled at fedex.. >> It certainly came out in an article on computer technology used by Fedex = to plan delivery routes that was in our paper recently -- syndicated surely = -- to explain why you might see a delivery van more than once in your street= . Although the van might be carrying packages that were *not* "guaranteed before 10:30" they would be kept on board for later delivery, after the "befores" -- which is not to say that a van driver will not "do it his wa= y" to save a few steps Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 23:49:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13885 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08642; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:46:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08505; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from valis.olywa.net (olywa.net [205.163.58.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08472; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psynet.net ([208.1.124.72]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: <366768AF.618D1090@psynet.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:44:31 -0800 From: J Organization: ear's mind X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL CC: Teresa Selling , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770E and 770ED References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok, so what is the 390 lacking due to the price?? does anyone have a good spec comparison chart? thanks james ps. I am looking for a TP p166+ tft, for around $800. any leads? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 08:41:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17740 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28300; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:33:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28181; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28166; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17516 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:33:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (rasgvnt0323.uhc.com [168.183.199.32]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17504 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:33:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:20:39 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770E and 770ED In-Reply-To: <366768AF.618D1090@psynet.net> References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:44 PM 12/3/98 -0800, J wrote: >Ok, so what is the 390 lacking due to the price?? > I wouldn't say it's really lacking anything. It just depends on what you want or need. >does anyone have a good spec comparison chart? > Here's the comparison pages within each model TP, but I don't know of one that has the features from each line compared on a single page. (Well, actually, I do, but it's on paper, and I don't have access to a scanner right now.) TP390's http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseriesb/714A2ED50F1231D6852566A E00598168 TP380's http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseriesb/460F959343E9C3948525668 6007DFAEA TP560's http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseriesb/A50DB20B03AB6E9C8525667 9006A7BA0 TP600's http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseriesb/CB6060CE297B8B558525668 4006170A6 TP770's http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwovseriesb/A7DFAF17FE607EE38525668 4006170EB i series http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/iseries/index.html#comparisonchart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 10:53:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19174 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04737; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:46:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04481; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com (arl-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.217.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04464; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id KAA14921; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:45:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:44:51 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770E and 770ED Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: J Cc: Teresa Selling , ThinkPad List Message-ID: <199812041044_MC2-627D-C6E2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: J, Compared with the TP1410 I'm not sure what the difference is except that the 1410 lets you play your audio CD's without having the computer turned= on -- big whoop! I'll know more about the TP390 shortly since I'll be setting one up next week -- IBM describe it as for business users, and COMPUSA for example ke= ep it in their business section while the "i" series is out on the floor. It could well be a marketing decision to substantially undercut Toshiba (despite their latest $200 cut) by having a version with little differenc= e internally. I think the software bundle is the same -- WIN98 restore disk and Lotus Millenium SS (which should mean with ViaVoice unless it is a special edition) on CD -- but maybe the "i" series have the usual preinstalled mish-mash of AOL Prodigy etc. Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 11:19:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19538 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06211; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06085; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (root@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06062; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15633; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812041606.LAA15633@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Subject: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:06:26 -0500 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: I think I am about to take the laptop plunge and buy a TP600E. I have a few questions first...thanks for any help. (a) I want to run 3 OSs on it (98 for occassional fun, NT for some work, and Linux for my main work). Albert Lee has already given me a couple of hints on it, but he didn't bother to leave 98 on his 600E. Has anyone actually done this with all three OSs? Any hints or things to watch out for? (I have installled Linux a few times before on a desktop, but I'm no expert. Yes, I know the modem won't work under Linux.) (b) I want to buy the biggest RAM chip I can get to fill in the second slot; I believe the biggest I can get is 128M. Are there any highly reliable third-party RAM manufacturers that will support the 600E, or should I be safe and buy from IBM? (c) ZIP vs LS120: I note that vstech makes "thinkpad-proven" LS120 and Zip drives for the 600. I need some sort of super floppy. I heard Iomega has been in trouble .. but that Zips are much more common than LS120s ... but ls120s would mean carrying around one drive instead of two ... Anyone have a clear thought on this? (d) I'll need a Linux and NT friendly combo modem/network card? Any suggestions? Any opinions greatly appreciated. -- Mike -- Michael Godfrey, Assistant Professor Univ of Waterloo, Dept of CS migod@plg.uwaterloo.ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 13:33:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21047 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14137; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:20:18 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13804; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id NAA21867 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from chexchange1.sidley.com (chexchange1.sidley.com [198.232.35.207]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12980; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by chexchange1.sidley.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:04:18 -0600 Message-ID: <7FA76847748DD111AA800060B06CB3F0B5A8F5@chexchange2.sidley.com> From: "Robbins, Richard" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 701C and NT 4.0 Video Question Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:04:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) List-Unsubscribe: I've installed NT 4.0 on my 701C and was wondering what I need to do to get the thing to handle more than 16 colors. -- Rich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 13:52:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21298 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15081; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:37:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14955; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14941; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20418 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:37:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20408 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:37:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204132436.00aeee10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:24:36 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? In-Reply-To: <199812041606.LAA15633@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:06 AM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >(c) ZIP vs LS120: I note that vstech makes "thinkpad-proven" LS120 and Zip > drives for the 600. I need some sort of super floppy. I heard Iomega > has been in trouble .. but that Zips are much more common than LS120s > ... but ls120s would mean carrying around one drive instead of two ... > Anyone have a clear thought on this? > Do you want it for your own purposes or to be able to exchange disks with others? I personally like the LS120's better since it can also serve as the regular floppy drive. It really annoys me, though, that it won't fit in the external floppy case. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 15:07:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22155 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20354; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:58:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20105; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.netlinq.nl (IDENT:root@www.netlinq.nl [195.109.135.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20093; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from netlinq.nl (netlinq-dial.netlinq.nl [195.109.133.219]) by www.netlinq.nl (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA02677 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: <36684026.F9914437@netlinq.nl> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:03:50 +0100 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: new user from The Netherlands! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I just joined this mailing list and would like to introduce my upcoming Thinkpad and me! After using three different brands of laptops, I've chosen IBM to be the fourth. I started out with a Toshiba Tecra 730 CDT, then imported a Micron XKE 233 Mhz when it just came out and the current one I'm using is a DEC Hinote Ultra 2000. The Micron was exceptionally fast, but the DEC has a great screen and form factor... But my demands have grown so I've been researching the purchase for a new laptops for about a month or two. At first, I was looking at the Dell Inspiron 7000: a speedy, well equipped PII desktop replacement. But I had heard some great things about the Thinkpad 770 series as well and was impressed by their overall quality (I've played with a 233 mhz one a while back). Since I've had to send in both the Tosh and Micron because of serious problems (broken screen, hard disk...) I know what headaches poor support can cause. This gave me a clue for going with the IBM 770X. I guess its performance (especially the graphics) will be a bit weaker than the Dell, but this is compensated by a bunch of features like the new 13.7" S-XGA screen, hot-swapping, better NT support, great docking options, less weight, 3 year int'l warranty etc.. Well, you probably know all this already. Anyway, I'll be receiving my Thinkpad 770X next Tuesday. It will be the UK version, the Dutch version will not be avaiable for a month or something. It will boast the 13.7" screen, 128 Mb RAM, 8.1 Gb HD, DVD and, ahem, Windows 98. Besides Win98 (for DVD, games etc.) I'll be installing NT and Linux for work. I've already found some great info on installing RedHat, so I hope this will be as easy as it has been with my DEC. I'll be using the machine as a desktop replacement for various internet apps, some coding (Java, Perl etc.), Photoshop, Illustrator, Presenting, music making and the occasional gaming. For the latter two, I'll be getting a dockingstation so I can add Voodoo and PCI harddisk recording cards... I hope I didn't bore you with this story, but I'm looking forward to receive my 770X and will probably be sending you more in-depth findings and questions on the machine when I'm actually working on it. Cheers, Jeroen Elfferich jeroen@netlinq.nl PS: A question already: the archive for this mailing list, available at http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.html, doesn't seem to be up to date (latest messages date back to May)... Since I'd like to know what's been said about the 770X here I was hoping there's a place where I can browse more up to date archives? I've mailed Chris, who maintains the archive, but dit not yet get a reply... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 17:55:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24179 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28110; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:50:49 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27979; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id RAA26253 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27765; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (36.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.100]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA14745; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:42:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366865A1.EC0DF9FE@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:43:45 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? References: <199812041606.LAA15633@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike.. re. memory.. several manufacturers offer the 128meg part now.. most are priced at about $450 to $490.. IBM's offering is near the top, others are around $450.. Apricorn, Goldenram, IBM, et al.. note: Apricorn and goldenram have lifetime warranty, IBM has 3 years warranty.. the IBM parts are made by... (sounds of opening up a 770X) Hitachi..! :-) the other two are made in the USA.. (of US and Non-US parts) Michael W. Godfrey wrote: > I think I am about to take the laptop plunge and buy a TP600E. I have a > few questions first...thanks for any help. > > (a) I want to run 3 OSs on it (98 for occassional fun, NT for some work, > and Linux for my main work). Albert Lee has already given me a couple > of hints on it, but he didn't bother to leave 98 on his 600E. > > Has anyone actually done this with all three OSs? Any hints or things > to watch out for? (I have installled Linux a few times before on a > desktop, but I'm no expert. Yes, I know the modem won't work under > Linux.) > > (b) I want to buy the biggest RAM chip I can get to fill in the second > slot; I believe the biggest I can get is 128M. Are there any highly > reliable third-party RAM manufacturers that will support the 600E, or > should I be safe and buy from IBM? > > (c) ZIP vs LS120: I note that vstech makes "thinkpad-proven" LS120 and Zip > drives for the 600. I need some sort of super floppy. I heard Iomega > has been in trouble .. but that Zips are much more common than LS120s > ... but ls120s would mean carrying around one drive instead of two ... > Anyone have a clear thought on this? > > (d) I'll need a Linux and NT friendly combo modem/network card? Any > suggestions? > > Any opinions greatly appreciated. > > -- Mike > -- > Michael Godfrey, Assistant Professor > Univ of Waterloo, Dept of CS > migod@plg.uwaterloo.ca -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 19:54:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA25752 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01931; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01824; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01812; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with SMTP id QAA21257 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:44:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981204163737.00c09e70@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:45:15 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Difference between "business" and "personal" models In-Reply-To: <199812041044_MC2-627D-C6E2@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Recent discussions have mentioned the difference between the "business" and "personal/non-business" models of ThinkPads. I really cannot think of the difference (except for exaggerated prices and max memory) between the various models. For example, I recently purchased a TP380Z (PII-300, 13.3" TFT, 96MB, 4.3GB) and then later found out that no on-site, next day service was available from IBM for this model. My choice was determined to be a non-business model. On the other hand, there are many other 3xx and 7xx series that are considered "business models" and therefore are eligible for next day, on-site service. The reason I purchased the 380Z was that it was the best value for a 300MHz system that came factory loaded with NT and also supported OS/2. Since I didn't have any need for more than 96MB of memory, I saw no need to purchase one of the more expensive 7xx series (or even a 600 series) that could support 200+MB if desired. Can anybody explain the difference between "business" and other "non-business" models from an IBM standpoint? -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 20:05:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25859 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02454; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:56:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02333; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02320; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with SMTP id QAA09011; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:52:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981204164618.00a4b360@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:53:52 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? Cc: migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <199812041606.LAA15633@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:06 AM 12/4/98 -0500, Michael W. Godfrey wrote: > >I think I am about to take the laptop plunge and buy a TP600E. I have a >few questions first...thanks for any help. > >(a) I want to run 3 OSs on it (98 for occassional fun, NT for some work, > and Linux for my main work). Albert Lee has already given me a couple > of hints on it, but he didn't bother to leave 98 on his 600E. > > Has anyone actually done this with all three OSs? Any hints or things > to watch out for? (I have installled Linux a few times before on a > desktop, but I'm no expert. Yes, I know the modem won't work under > Linux.) > >(b) I want to buy the biggest RAM chip I can get to fill in the second > slot; I believe the biggest I can get is 128M. Are there any highly > reliable third-party RAM manufacturers that will support the 600E, or > should I be safe and buy from IBM? > >(c) ZIP vs LS120: I note that vstech makes "thinkpad-proven" LS120 and Zip > drives for the 600. I need some sort of super floppy. I heard Iomega > has been in trouble .. but that Zips are much more common than LS120s > ... but ls120s would mean carrying around one drive instead of two ... > Anyone have a clear thought on this? > >(d) I'll need a Linux and NT friendly combo modem/network card? Any > suggestions? My suggestion for multiple operating systems is to spend $30-$40 and get a copy of "System Commander" from ?V Systems?. I have used it multiple times and have always had great results. Regarding (c), it is not IOMEGA but SYQUEST that is either in DEEP trouble or out-of-business. Iomega just introduced a new 250MB Zip drive that is backwards compatible with the original 100MB version (the 250MB model can read/write the 100 disks, but not the other way around). -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 21:50:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA26842 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05120; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:37:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05014; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05001; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139.chicago-31-32rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.160.139]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981205023653.RBWF24361@139.chicago-31-32rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:36:53 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Difference between "business" and "personal" models Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:36:54 GMT Message-ID: <36689885.4694263@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19981204163737.00c09e70@shell9.ba.best.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981204163737.00c09e70@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:45:15 -0800, you wrote: >Can anybody explain the difference between "business" and other >"non-business" models from an IBM standpoint? Not just IBM, but the majority of laptop makers have different ideas about consumer and business models. Usually, a consumer laptop will come with lots of extra (mostly useless) software installed, while corps are expected to want to roll out their own configs and have whatever software they want written, licensed, and ready to load. It also tends to have less support, perhaps isn't designed as rigorously as the other models, and uses more esoteric components. They're also cheaper, usually. Meanwhile, business models tend to be more expensive because corporations and governments are as dollar-conscious. The manufacturer supports a variety of operating systems to accommodate the client who may be running various software for any number of reasons, and who definitely isn't going to change his entire company's platform to use a few laptops. Support is more comprehensive (international, better turn-around time, etc) because the corporate customer will likely keep the system for years (until last year, my boss had a 386 desktop! The VP in charge of my department is chugging away on a 755 with 486 chip.) The model (if possible) is made with as standard parts as possible so as not to cause support trouble within the company. Note that the 310 and i-series don't have NT support while IBM offers drivers for DOS/ Windows 3.x, Windows 9x, Windows NT, and OS/2 as a matter of course for other models. I've had experience with both, since my IBM 560 is supported out the wazoo, while Sony's chief support options are 1) Run Windows 98 exactly as shipped, and if problems occur 2) Re-install Windows 98. It's culture shock after so many Thinkpads, but fun for a bunch of users to get together and develop workarounds, too. Not all companies are as drastically different as Sony and Big Blue in their approaches - Toshiba simply loads different software bases on consumer models, but supports each about equally. But all of them tend to have the same philosophies. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Sony VAIO 505 info - http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown/Sony505G.html List Admin - Sony VAIO 505 Mailing List From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 22:39:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27412 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06984; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:35:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06895; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06883; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from wabio (user-38ld0a8.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.72]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00984 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981204223103.00a2be30@mail.newsguy.com> X-Sender: wicket@mail.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:33:51 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alan Wong Subject: Linux & Solaris on 600E...suggestions, tips welcomed In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981204164618.00a4b360@shell9.ba.best.com> References: <199812041606.LAA15633@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello All-- I plan to install either Linux or Solaris 7 on my 600E. At this point, it seems like I'm headed towards Solaris. Has anyone ran any of these *OS* on their units and how is the support (drivers). I will most likely partition 2 gigs just for this. Any particular preference...System Commander vs. Boot Magic by Powerquest. Thanks, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 4 23:30:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28082 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08458; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:22:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08355; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08335; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id VAA16589; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:22:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:22:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812050422.VAA16589@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: sammy@newsguy.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux & Solaris on 600E...suggestions, tips welcomed List-Unsubscribe: > I plan to install either Linux or Solaris 7 on my 600E. At this > point, it seems like I'm headed towards Solaris. Has anyone ran > any of these *OS* on their units and how is the support (drivers). Haven't tried Solaris 7, and I'd be a little afraid to run it because I haven't really seen many x86 platforms running Solaris. But I am running RedHat 5.2 Linux (2.0.36) on my 600E and it's been a rather pleasant OS to be working with. Out of the box, 5.2 supports the Neomagic 256AV in 1024x768 16bpp, (no truecolor support without the $200 XiG driver). You can get DVD support if you use a 2.1 experimental kernel, but it defaults to CD ROM otherwise. Installation is very easy if you set the DVD drive to be bootable in system setup. No ACP modem support. APM can be easily enabled during your first kernel recompile. Battery life is exceptional in linux. The hard drive hardly spins up, and my record is 4:45 doing some web application development. My best in NT has been only about 3:05 or so with aggressive power mgt. Sounds support works well with the RedHat drivers, or you can go $20.00 and get the OSS http://www.opensound.com drivers (which I use without a problem). 2gb should be plenty... I set aside the same for my RedHat install, and did pretty much a full install. Best part is that RedHat 5.2 takes only about 15 minutes to do a full install. :) > I will most likely partition 2 gigs just for this. > Any particular preference...System Commander vs. Boot Magic by > Powerquest. What is the other OS you'd be booting to? I'd personally suggest sticking with lilo. RedHat 5.2 will do a 98/Linux dual boot without a problem. In general, leave the MBR alone if you're dealing with a MS operating system. Just write lilo to the root of the linux partition, and set the linux partition to be bootable. NT is roughly the same. Good luck! -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 5 02:37:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00347 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12405; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:35:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12308; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12295; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05727; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:35:33 -1000 Message-ID: <006001be202a$38929b80$963e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Emanuel Brown" , Subject: Re: Difference between "business" and "personal" models Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:35:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >the wazoo, while Sony's chief support options are > 1) Run Windows 98 exactly as shipped, and if problems occur > 2) Re-install Windows 98. At least Sony seems to be trying to stay the course this time. Their early attempts to break into the home computer business (e.g., around 1980, and again a few years later) followed the pattern: (a) enter the market; (b) fail to instantly become the #1 player; then (c) completely abandon the market (orphaning all their customers) in their disgust at (b). - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 5 12:33:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03981 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01320; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:29:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01230; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01216; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA27506 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:29:27 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.1) id LAA254328 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:29:27 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199812051729.LAA254328@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:29:26 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, Just a quick testimonal about the ruggedness of the 560x. A few days ago I had an altercation with an automobile and found myself sprawled out on the other side of a median with some torn new clothes and slightly bloodied and bruised. Luckily, neither I or my bike ended up where traffic was moving. It was only a few minutes later after I had collected myself and my belongings off the road that I remembered that I had my laptop in my backpack. It was fine! It certainly came through this experience much better than I - though all things considered I was very lucky too. For those curious, I carry my 560 in my backpack in a simple magazine holder padded usually with some program listings. That's all. Worked very well. -- ___o -- _ \-<;_ -- (_) / (_) Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 5 14:51:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04868 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04845; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:48:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04729; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04717; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb0252.capecod.net [209.244.244.252]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08029 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36698E14.A0E3F649@capecod.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:48:36 -0500 From: bigdaddy Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: tp 700c ac adapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know where I get an AC Adapter for a TP 700C. The TP seems to work ok on the battery but not in the docking station. Lights come on but the machine won't turn on. My daughter misplaced the adapter. Thanks Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 5 22:04:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08832 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12966; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:01:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12874; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12862; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-225-026.usc.edu [128.125.225.26]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id TAA15406; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:01:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981205185855.04636420@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:00:52 +0000 To: esmail@uiowa.edu, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <199812051729.LAA254328@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:29 AM 12/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >Just a quick testimonal about the ruggedness of the 560x. > >A few days ago I had an altercation with an automobile and found >myself sprawled out on the other side of a median with some torn new I dropped mine 4 feet to the ground in the kitchen and it toasted both screen and hard drive. The 560 ain't tough--you just got lucky. If it were tough, they'd have given it the 3-year warranty they give all their other good models. I see now why its only 1 year. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 00:36:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10955 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17528; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:34:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17417; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17405; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (62.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.126]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA05518; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:34:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366A17CE.F5935D15@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:36:14 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: tp 700c ac adapter References: <36698E14.A0E3F649@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: almost certain that any ac adapter from a 700, 720, 75x and 76x series will work fine.. you might check the for sale ads at my open forum or post a wanted ad, or call most any direct vendor.. ibm will have these at 800-388-7080 (normal business hours) bigdaddy wrote: > Anyone know where I get an AC Adapter for a TP 700C. The TP seems to > work ok on the battery but not in the docking station. Lights come on > but the machine won't turn on. My daughter misplaced the adapter. > > Thanks > Bob -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 05:17:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA13209 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24078; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:15:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23211; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23199; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA08039; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:14:45 -1000 Message-ID: <000701be2109$a1a7bee0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 05:14:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Esmail: >>Just a quick testimonal about the ruggedness of the 560x. Randal: > The 560 ain't tough--you just got lucky. If it were tough, they'd have >given it the 3-year warranty they give all their other good models. I see >now why its only 1 year. While I agree that the 560 isn't tough - the case is subject to too much flexion - I doubt that IBM's decision to give it a 500-level warrantee instead of a 700-level one is based on breakability. Warrantee length is just a feature like any other, and was probably decided at the same instant they decided where to slot the 560 in their line, before the machine was in production. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 21:38:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20131 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29864; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:29:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27270; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27056; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tujay2 (port40-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.237]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18800 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: <003401be21ed$c6d583c0$ed8b89d0@tujay2.c-gate.net> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:27:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I have been trying to install a 16MB flash card from my Kodak DC-200 digital camera on my 770 using the Kodak PC Card adapter. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get it to work. In Device Manager, it installs the Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller whenever the card is inserted. However, it is listed with a yellow exclamation point. It says that the device is not present, functioning properly, or does not have the drivers installed. There are no resource conflicts. I have used this same card in my 701c without any problems, however trying to print images to my Epson Stylus Color 740 takes forever with the 701 (it is very quick using the USB port on the 770). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 22:05:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20447 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02659; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:02:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02495; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02482; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.2) with ESMTP id VAA24288; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:01:49 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.1) id VAA156112; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:01:49 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199812070301.VAA156112@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:01:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu (TP List) Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981205185855.04636420@rcf.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Dec 05, 1998 07:00:52 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle writes: > > At 11:29 AM 12/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Just a quick testimonal about the ruggedness of the 560x. > > > >A few days ago I had an altercation with an automobile and found > >myself sprawled out on the other side of a median with some torn new > > I dropped mine 4 feet to the ground in the kitchen and it toasted both > screen and hard drive. > > The 560 ain't tough--you just got lucky. If it were tough, they'd have > given it the 3-year warranty they give all their other good models. I see > now why its only 1 year. I consider myself lucky (well, in this incident). The only drawback I can see with the 560x is its limited i.e., 1 year warranty. Other than that it shines. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 22:21:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20576 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03437; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:19:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03354; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03341; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.54.170]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981207031847.JMWC588@770>; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:18:47 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Eric Giles" , Subject: Re: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:21:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981207031847.JMWC588@770> List-Unsubscribe: Do you have CardWizard installed? If so, get rid of it! ---------- > From: Eric Giles > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card > Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:27 AM > > I have been trying to install a 16MB flash card from my Kodak DC-200 digital > camera on my 770 using the Kodak PC Card adapter. Unfortunately, I have not > been able to get it to work. In Device Manager, it installs the Standard > IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller whenever the card is inserted. However, it is > listed with a yellow exclamation point. It says that the device is not > present, functioning properly, or does not have the drivers installed. There > are no resource conflicts. > > I have used this same card in my 701c without any problems, however trying > to print images to my Epson Stylus Color 740 takes forever with the 701 (it > is very quick using the USB port on the 770). > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 22:47:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20793 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04272; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:38:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04179; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04159; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id UAA27870; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:38:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:38:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812070338.UAA27870@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Bad pixels... aaagh! List-Unsubscribe: My TP600e (now about 3 weeks old) came with 2 bad pixels (which are side by side, and green when the screen is blue, in the upper right hand corner). This afternoon, while using it, 2 more just popped up (same green color, stuck on when the screen is any color, and also side by side, on the right side). I _KNOW_ this is not good... anybody know if IBM will treat this as a special case and get me a new TFT? Is there ANY way to get this sort of repair done really really quickly? I'm kind of irritated, and can't really afford to have any sort of downtime beyond maybe 2-3 days. I was hoping this wouldn't have to happen. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 23:20:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21093 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05965; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:17:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05713; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05694; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-154.usc.edu [128.125.223.154]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA05348; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981206193656.0463b540@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 19:50:16 +0000 To: "David Ross" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <000701be2109$a1a7bee0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:14 AM 12/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>Just a quick testimonal about the ruggedness of the 560x. >> The 560 ain't tough--you just got lucky. If it were tough, they'd have >>given it the 3-year warranty they give all their other good models. I see >>now why its only 1 year. > >While I agree that the 560 isn't tough - the case is subject to too much >flexion - I doubt that IBM's decision to give it a >500-level warrantee instead of a 700-level one is based on breakability. >Warrantee length is just a feature like any other, and was >probably decided at the same instant they decided where to slot the 560 in >their line, before the machine was in production. Au Contraire, I'd have to disagree, at least to the extent that its all an afterthought. Warranties, while often a marketing decision, are very much a financial one as well. Point being that if they don't think the item is likely to "hold up" through a warranty, then they won't give it a warranty that is that long. Ask any inside IBM guy in on the decision, and they'll tell you that if they had to do it over again, they'd have given the 701 only a 1 year warranty. Far too many of them came in for service to make the 3-year warranty a profitable decision. To a very large extent, they give their better models a 3-year warranty because they fully believe they'll hold up long enough to not have to honor it too much. Meanwhile, as you say, the longer warranty makes for a nice selling point. But that selling point has to match the design parameters in order for it all to be a business from which money can be made. Bottom line: They won't give an item a warranty beyond which they believe a huge percentage (98% or whatever the numbers estimate based on the financial figures) will never have to be claimed on. Occasionally they mess up in their optimism--as with the 701, which had more design weaknesses than they originally realized. But you can bet darn well that if they give it a 1 year warranty, they *don't* expect that same huge percentage to make it past that 1 year. If they *did* expect them to, they'd increase the warranty and push the selling point. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 23:24:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21140 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05969; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:17:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05738; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05700; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-154.usc.edu [128.125.223.154]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA05349 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981206195210.0463ad60@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 19:55:33 +0000 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Video Capture? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Okay, I guess if I had wanted this feature, I'd have bought a 770... ;-) But for those of us who *don't* have a video capture feature built-in to our Thinkpads, what are the best options? I'd be inclined to go with a PC-card solution rather than a parallel port-based one, but perhaps a USB solution> I have a *great* video-editing package called "Videowave" by MGI software and I spent some time playing with it the other day. Its *fabulous*--and cost-effective. I wish I had something like it 7 years ago when I was attempting to edit a promotional video for a small business using 2 VCR's, a camera, and a Sony video editor connected between them. Using this software, I could have done 10x as much. Interested to hear your suggestions. ------ Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 23:38:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21264 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06817; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:35:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06707; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06680; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA10378; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:35:27 -1000 Message-ID: <000e01be21a3$6557eec0$d63e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:35:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Me: >>Warrantee length is just a feature like any other, and was >>probably decided at the same instant they decided where to slot the 560 in >>their line, before the machine was in production. Randal: > Warranties, while often a marketing decision, are very much a financial >one as well. Point being that if they don't think the item is likely to >"hold up" through a warranty, then they won't give it a warranty that is >that long. I agree to the extent that the choice of one-year or three-year warrantee is figured into the price; however, I doubt that someone at the appropriate division said to himself: "This machine is shabbily made, and won't last much more than a year, so let's keep a short warrantee." Possibly someone decided (based on the 701 experience) that the 560 would be toted around more in general than the 770, so decided to keep the warrantee shorter for that reason (and would do so for *any* light machine, no matter how well made). > Ask any inside IBM guy in on the decision, and they'll tell you that if >they had to do it over again, they'd have given the 701 only a 1 year >warranty. Do you actually know this, or is it speculation? I don't even know for certain that the 701 required more repairs/more expensive repairs in general than other machines of similar vintage - as much trouble as I had with my own 701(s), I know people with other models that were in for repair at least as often. > Bottom line: They won't give an item a warranty beyond which they believe >a huge percentage (98% or whatever the numbers estimate based on the >financial figures) will never have to be claimed on. Again, I'm not so sure. It can also be a way to get people to buy your machine instead of a close competitor, *even if* you expect it in for a repair within the warrantee period. For example, the last cars Renault sold in the US (the 18i and the Fuego) came with a 5 year no-rust warrantee, even though these models were no more immune to rust than earlier ones. The warrantee was just a way to get people to not worry about one of the big criticisms levelled against the R12 and R5. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 6 23:52:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21410 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07391; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:49:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07305; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07293; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA15124 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:49:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad pixels... aaagh! In-Reply-To: <199812070338.UAA27870@cavecreations.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Albert C. Lee wrote: > My TP600e (now about 3 weeks old) came with 2 bad pixels (which are > side by side, and green when the screen is blue, in the upper right > hand corner). > > This afternoon, while using it, 2 more just popped up (same green > color, stuck on when the screen is any color, and also side by side, > on the right side). After a year of use one "bad" blue pixel showed up on my 701c, right in the middle, stuck on. I noticed it would come and go, meaning the transistor itself was not stuck, but rather a connection somewhere was loose. I was able to make the pixel disappear by gently pushing the glass to the right (and make it reappear by pushing to the left). Who knows, maybe it'll work for you. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 00:13:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21643 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08820; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:11:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08657; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08643; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-154.usc.edu [128.125.223.154]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA11271; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981206204157.009c6a30@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:10:42 +0000 To: "David Ross" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <000e01be21a3$6557eec0$d63e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:35 PM 12/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >I agree to the extent that the choice of one-year or three-year warrantee is >figured into the price; however, I doubt that someone >at the appropriate division said to himself: "This machine is shabbily made, >and won't last much more than a year, so let's keep a >short warrantee." Possibly someone decided (based on the 701 experience) >that the 560 would be toted around more in general than >the 770, so decided to keep the warrantee shorter for that reason (and would >do so for *any* light machine, no matter how well >made). That's a crude description of it, but its actually correct. When they design a machine, they decide on certain parameters--some being price, feature set, what "rank" it has in their line of products, etc. One of those features will be the warranty, and believe me--if they intend for it to have a 3-year warranty, they'll pay a lot more attention to its durability quotient than they will if it is expected to have a 1 year warranty. The salient point being that when they put a machine on the drawing board, they can design it like a rock or a flimsy thing. Like a rock will cost more--but be worthy of a longer warranty. I'm not talking about computers specifically--just design & manufacturing issues in general. Occasionally gaffes happen, but generally they have a pretty good idea of the reliability they can expect from an item--usually while its still on the drawing board, since it was *designed* that way. If they wanted to design it to last through a nuclear war, they could (exaggeration). The defense industry designs to such stringent specs all the time. >> Ask any inside IBM guy in on the decision, and they'll tell you that if >>they had to do it over again, they'd have given the 701 only a 1 year >>warranty. > >Do you actually know this, or is it speculation? I don't even know for I know it. My brother was with IBM until recently (the true OS/2 lovers on this list would know him by name). He knows from "insider information" of the woeful amount of warranty repairs they've had to do on 701's. They realized it was a real stretch to make them a 3-year warranty, and the folding keyboard is the #1 reason why. >certain that the 701 required more repairs/more expensive >repairs in general than other machines of similar vintage - as much trouble >as I had with my own 701(s), I know people with other >models that were in for repair at least as often. In fairness, this is your little sampling. :-) A whole lot of TP'ers ain't in our circle, let alone on this list. One of the things I was told was that when these 701's went in for keyboard repairs, the parts for doing so weren't available. What that means in IBM-speak was that they never expected so many to come in for repair. In other words, they blew the call on how reliable the keyboard was, and hence were unprepared to deal with the problem. >> Bottom line: They won't give an item a warranty beyond which they believe >>a huge percentage (98% or whatever the numbers estimate based on the >>financial figures) will never have to be claimed on. > >Again, I'm not so sure. It can also be a way to get people to buy your >machine instead of a close competitor, *even if* you expect >it in for a repair within the warrantee period. For example, the last cars Car example aside, it more likely financial suicide to pursue the route you just outlined. Any time a warranty is offered, the company believes a certain percentage will be returned for warranty repairs--ask the accountants what kind of allowances they make in the "Liabilities" section of the balance sheets for expected future warranty claims. Push that warranty beyond what the product was designed for and you can expect that cost to climb dramatically as the percentage of returning machines climbs beyond what any of the financial forcasts called for. Most businesses aren't stupid--they know a well-built product is less likely to require service than a cheaper-built product, and can therefore offer longer warranties on their better-built stuff while the same kind of warranty would kill them if they offered it on their cheaper stuff. For what its worth, IBM makes mistakes, but one thing they are very good at is controlling their exposure to these kind of risks. Believe me--If they felt the 560 would still yield only a very low claim rate on warranties offered 3-years out, they'd have given it a 3-year warranty. There's a good reason why they didn't, and from my observation of how they positioned the 560, it had nothing to do with marketing (they positioned the 560 well above the 300 series, billing it as a lightweight version of the 700 series--a position the 600 now occupies, since it has a more full features with the bay / CD-ROM, built-in modem, & etc.). ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 00:14:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21657 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08346; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:07:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08185; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08173; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (pm1wayne1-28.c-gate.net [198.79.69.161]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17580; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:08:56 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01be219f$5903f1e0$a1454fc6@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Bruce Markowitz" , Subject: Re: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:06:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: No, I guess I should have mentioned that this is a clean install of Windows 98. I was thinking that the original Win 95 with CardWizard might have been able to handle the problem! Eric Giles >Do you have CardWizard installed? If so, get rid of it! > >---------- >> From: Eric Giles >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card >> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:27 AM >> >> I have been trying to install a 16MB flash card from my Kodak DC-200 >digital >> camera on my 770 using the Kodak PC Card adapter. Unfortunately, I have >not >> been able to get it to work. In Device Manager, it installs the Standard >> IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller whenever the card is inserted. However, it >is >> listed with a yellow exclamation point. It says that the device is not >> present, functioning properly, or does not have the drivers installed. >There >> are no resource conflicts. >> >> I have used this same card in my 701c without any problems, however >trying >> to print images to my Epson Stylus Color 740 takes forever with the 701 >(it >> is very quick using the USB port on the 770). >> >> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Eric Giles > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 00:23:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21771 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09618; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:22:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09501; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09476; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl ([12.77.31.175]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981207052138.CBOJ18851@dts_jl> for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 05:21:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207000831.00b98990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:08:31 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <000e01be21a3$6557eec0$d63e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:35 PM 12/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Possibly someone decided (based on the 701 experience) that the 560 would be toted around more >in general than the 770, so decided to keep the warrantee shorter for that reason (and would do >so for *any* light machine, no matter how well made). > The 600 has a 3-year warranty. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 02:23:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22866 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13496; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:21:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13404; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13392; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:20:40 -0500 Sender: brownac@csi.com Received: from brown.kuniv.edu.kw ([139.141.70.49] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id CAA04134 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:19:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981207101920.007ace50@pop.site1.csi.com> X-Sender: brownac@pop.site1.csi.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:19:20 +0300 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: AC Brown Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The discussion of the TP 560 warranty overlooks the fact that the warranty for this machine can be extended for an additional 1-3 years (for a maximum warranty of 4 years, including the original 1 year warranty) for the price of $100 per year for EZ Serve service. This implies to me that IBM does not expect many service calls in years 2-4 for the TP 560, since I expect that $100 does not come close to covering the cost of even a single repair when express shipping, paper work, labor, parts costs, telephone staffing, etc. are totaled. This system of permitting the buyer to purchase the duration of warranty he wants in addition to the basic warranty, depending on his plans, I think is better than a fixed period. Perhaps IBM should reduce the TP 770 and TP 600 warranty to 1 year and reduce the price by $200, and then let the buyer purchase the number of additional years he feels most appropriate, depending on his upgrade cycle. Arthur Brown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 07:15:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA24650 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27034; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:12:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26900; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26888; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:12:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NYQJa20432; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:11:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6222b78a.366bc5f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:11:37 EST To: brownac@csi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 12/7/98 2:29:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, brownac@csi.com writes: > The discussion of the TP 560 warranty overlooks the fact that the warranty > for this machine can be extended for an additional 1-3 years (for a maximum > warranty of 4 years, including the original 1 year warranty) for the price > of $100 per year for EZ Serve service. Actually the warranty can be extended to cover 5 years according to: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/ibserv1.html John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 11:40:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27174 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11510; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11288; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-msg01.CMG-EUROPE.COM (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11270; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210CC40780@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: [TP600] Misc. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:25:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I've just taken delivery of a TP600 to replace my trusty old 560 which in turn replaced a 701, its definitely a fine machine although I miss the truly diminutive 560, I guess its just as well I didn't get the 770 which I was supposed to(It was dropped by the courier on its way to me). I have a few questions:- Modem cable Here in the UK the supplied cable has a BT adapter on the end which makes it impossible to use in a socket doubler, does anybody know who can supply me with spare cables with the BT socket already on the cable? Paint finish Does anybody know the best way to clean the case and palm rest, I have finger prints all over mine? The Future(NDA's excepted) Intellipad, 775, 565 etc does anybody care to speculate on any forthcoming models/features etc. Regards Pete Murray From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 11:43:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27215 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11568; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11388; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11329; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04192 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15164 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE21D4.17ABC8F0@ntmail.doble.com>; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'David Ross'" , "'TP List'" , "'Randal Whittle'" Subject: RE: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:24:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > To a very large extent, they give their better models a 3-year warranty >because they fully believe they'll hold up long enough to not have to honor >it too much. Meanwhile, as you say, the longer warranty makes for a nice >selling point. But that selling point has to match the design parameters >in order for it all to be a business from which money can be made. Hello, While it is a selling point it seems that laptops become obsolete in about 18 months (and sooner if you are doing cutting edge stuff). Three years seems like an eternity in the laptop world. The 701 may be an exception but I got the feeling that people put up with some of the problems (slow running newer software, difficult to find some things) because it has some features not available on newer machines. I got a 365ed it seems not too long ago and they have already gone through the Pentium laptops and on to Pentium II laptops. I got it just as the Pentium based 365xd came out. For mobile use it suits me fine but it would be nice to get about a year old or so Pentium based laptop and get more performance at a cheap price. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 11:44:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27235 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10597; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:12:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10456; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10442; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-139.usc.edu [128.125.223.139]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA16702 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:12:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207073618.0463b2e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:12:11 +0000 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207101920.007ace50@pop.site1.csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:19 AM 12/7/98 +0300, you wrote: >The discussion of the TP 560 warranty overlooks the fact that the warranty >for this machine can be extended for an additional 1-3 years (for a maximum >warranty of 4 years, including the original 1 year warranty) for the price of >$100 per year for EZ Serve service. As you point out, for a fee. :-) > This implies to me that IBM does not >expect many service calls in years 2-4 for the TP 560, since I expect that >$100 does not come close to covering the cost of even a single repair when >express shipping, paper work, labor, parts costs, telephone staffing, etc. >are totaled. No, it means they believe that the increased number of warranty claims over that longer period will be "covered" by the number of people who bought extended warranties and yet did *not* make a warranty claim. So perhaps they expect 1% of the machines to come in for warranty repair in the first year. Then, among those who bought extended warranties (say, for a 2nd year), 2% of the machines come in for repair in the second year. That means 98% of the machines (covered by extended warranty) did *not* come in. The figure to be looking at is not the extra $100 someone paid for that warranty, but the percentage IBM expects to lay a claim. So if 100 people bought the extended warranty for a 2nd year, IBM got $10,000 more. If 2 of them (2%) make a claim in that 2nd year, do you think that $10,000 will cover the cost of honoring that warranty? Let's say each repair cost $500. IBM Clears $9,000. Extend that to a third year--they get an additional $100 per person who does it, in addition to the ones who bought only 1 additional year. But, say, only 66 people bought the warranty for the 3rd year. Warranty claims go up to 3%. That means 2 more people make a warranty claim. IBM pulls in another $6,600 from 3rd-year warranty sales, spends $1,000 honoring the 3%, and clears $5,600. In addition, all of the people who had 3rd year warranties by definition will have had to pay for 2nd year warranties, so lumping all this together, IBM cleared $14,600 from 100 people buying extended warranties--34 for just 1 year, another 66 for 2 years. I illustrate all this only to point out that the extended warranty is something of a non-factor here. It is designed wholly as a *profit center* for IBM--all extended warranties are! They set the price in such a way that they are *certain* they will come out ahead. In fact, if you discounted for time & interest rates on the figures above, you'd see they come out even *further* ahead. Assume a 5% interest rate (pretty appropriate for a big corp. like IBM) and warranty claims being made near the end of the period, and you'll see they clear $14,740 on those 100 people. If higher interest, it gets even better. They effectively make another $140 in interest alone. If more than 100 people buy that warranty, it only gets better for them. Granted, $100/year is a pretty decent price for an extended warranty on a latptop, so that *does* indicate a certain degree of confidence in the machines on the part of IBM. >This system of permitting the buyer to purchase the duration of warranty >he wants in addition to the basic warranty, depending on his plans, I think >is better than a fixed period. Perhaps IBM should reduce the TP 770 and >TP 600 warranty to 1 year and reduce the price by $200, and then let the >buyer purchase the number of additional years he feels most appropriate, >depending on his upgrade cycle. Here's where I'll agree with Dave Ross. The "standard" warranty period can indeed be a very real selling point. On the high-end models, putting that 3-year warranty on it, regardless of the price (rather than discounting $200 and then offering the additional warranty for that much) psychologically motivates the potential customer to believe IBM's is a superior, more durable machine. An IT decision-maker is more likely to make an IBM purchase if he looks at a ThinkPad and a Toshiba, both around the same price, with the Thinkpad at 3-yrs. warranty and the Toshiba at 1 year. Make the TP $200 cheaper and knock that warranty down to 1 year? Probably not a smart move. They have lower-end models in the 300 series that fit that bill. The longer warranty is part of what differentiates the machines But as I pointed out in previous posts, its still *designed* sturdier to more likely "survive" that longer warranty period--and it costs more to make a sturdier design. You can't simply knock $200 off the price and hope to make some of it up on extended warranties unless the machine was planned that way on the drawing board to begin with. Nevertheless, after-the-fact marketing decisions, based on how things are going *now* vs. how you expected them to go *then*, are made all the time. And realities like claim rates can occasionally be mis-projected (as they were with the 701). ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 11:44:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27242 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11916; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:30:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11827; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11814; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-139.usc.edu [128.125.223.139]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA20349; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:29:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207082653.0463df10@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:29:20 +0000 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:24 AM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >> To a very large extent, they give their better models a 3-year warranty >>because they fully believe they'll hold up long enough to not have to honor >>it too much. Meanwhile, as you say, the longer warranty makes for a nice >>selling point. But that selling point has to match the design parameters >>in order for it all to be a business from which money can be made. >While it is a selling point it seems that laptops become obsolete in >about >18 months (and sooner if you are doing cutting edge stuff). Three years >seems like an eternity in the laptop world. Actually, you make a good point here: Namely, after some period of time (1 to 3 yrs), many people dump their laptops and buy a new one. Usually, warranties aren't transferrable to a new owner (are IBM's?). That cuts the warranty period that IBM would have to honor downward, resulting in even fewer machines coming in for claims. And perhaps if the buyer bought an extended warranty...money in IBM's pocket. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 12:40:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27999 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15309; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:18:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15056; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15041; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id KAA29139; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:17:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:17:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812071717.KAA29139@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad pixels... aaagh! List-Unsubscribe: Well, I'm on the line with EZserve as I type. Another pixel popped up (light blue), making it a total of 5 (started with 2). The tech is getting approval for repairing the machine right now. I'm sure this isn't common, but it shows my rotten luck with machines. :) They're all on the right side, 4 green, 1 lt blue. One pair of green guys show up all the time 1 pair shows up after about 1 hr of use, and the blue one is a new one that shows on all colors. Weird stuff. -Al ... on hold with IBM ... -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 12:55:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28190 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17944; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:52:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17791; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17738; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id KAA24158; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:51:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:51:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812071751.KAA24158@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM List-Unsubscribe: Well, IBM support isn't all that bad. I just got off the phone with them, and here's their policy (semi-official) on bad pixels. They used to have a policy of 21 (WOW). This was changed to 8. I had 2, and then 3 more that showed up in the last 24 hours. I have a block of 6 pixels dimming out right now. So they're sending out a shipping box, and I'll wait for my queen to arrive back in 3 days. I assume if the box arrives...let's say Tuesday, I should see my machine back Thursday? Kind of upset this had to happen at all, but at least they're addressing it. I hope for a perfect TFT on its return. I'm pulling out the DVD drive and putting in the travel bezel to be safe. Also my PC Card modem. Anything else? -Al (with probably the only TP600E with personality problems) -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 12:55:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28203 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16997; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:42:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16876; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16864; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-209.usc.edu [128.125.223.209]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA13963; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:42:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207094131.0463d150@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:42:04 +0000 To: JES770@aol.com, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:32 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/98 11:43:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwhittle@usa.net >writes: > >> Usually, warranties aren't transferrable to a new owner (are IBM's?). > >YES. The warranty is on the laptop not assigned to the owner. > >John That's rare (and good for those of us who love Thinkpads!). ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 13:00:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28260 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16311; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:33:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16139; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16102; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15280 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.124]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981207163702.RKLH13094@ibm.net> for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:37:02 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <366C0378.4C67FDEE@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:34:00 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'TP List'" Subject: Problem with 770E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When rebooting once (after changing something via TP utility) two error codes came up on boot. I believe they were 173 and 163. A call to TP support revealed a problem with the backup battery/ clock function. TP support was going to have me install the DOS Utility/Personalization disk with they said had a fix for this problem. But it wouldn't install because I had converted the drive to Fat32. Anyone else heard of this problem? Do I really need to have it sent to EZ-Server because I cannot install the DOS Utility/Personization disk? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 15:17:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00120 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26450; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:58:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26288; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26227; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12881; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:56:52 -1000 Message-ID: <000701be2224$1e0eb540$ec3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Teresa Selling" , Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:56:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Did you talk only to Easy-Serve, or did you speak to customer service? If the latter, there yet another step up - "executive" customer service, who is actually helpful if you can find them. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 15:58:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00766 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28861; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:39:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28758; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28745; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13538; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:39:34 -1000 Message-ID: <005901be222a$17f11940$ec3e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:39:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I still find Randal's causality hypothesis - based on idea that IBM marketed the 560 *assuming* they'd start breaking down after a year - not credible, especially considering (a) the 3-year warrantee on the 600, and (b) the fact that the main problem Randal cited with the 701 (the butterfly keyboard) is a non-issue on the 560. In particular, the time-ordering of decisions in the comment: > When they design a machine, they decide on certain parameters--some being >price, feature set, what "rank" it has in their line of products, etc. One >of those features will be the warranty, and believe me--if they intend for >it to have a 3-year warranty, they'll pay a lot more attention to its >durability quotient than they will if it is expected to have a 1 year warranty. ...just seems strange to me. The 560 was engineered in Japan - the idea that some suit decided on a warrantee length before the 560 was engineered, then said to the design team there "Don't sweat the reliability in your design, we're only covering it for a year" is very hard for me to swallow - I'd be more inclined to believe it had the machine been engineered in Detroit:-) - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 16:19:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01031 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23402; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:15:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23282; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23268; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA13033 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.126]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981207191409.BATB780@ibm.net> for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:14:09 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <366C296E.C98F960F@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:15:58 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: One of the little port replicator doors fell off one of my 770 machines. Evidently one of the little pins holding it in place broke. EZ-Serve wants to charge me over $300 to fix. They say they don't cover plastic parts. Whats the deal with this? This machine was obviously not abused, but it is put in and taken out of the port replicator once a day. I even included the door that fell off. Anyone know how to get this covered under warranty? I was told that only if there was a recall would it be covered. Help! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 16:22:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01073 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21681; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:52:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21465; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21452; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02414 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:51:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02410 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:51:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207133816.00be9b00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:38:16 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981207082653.0463df10@rcf.usc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:29 AM 12/7/98 +0000, Randall Whittle wrote: > Namely, after some period of time (1 to 3 yrs), many people dump their >laptops and buy a new one. Usually, warranties aren't transferrable to a >new owner (are IBM's?). That cuts the warranty period that IBM would have >to honor downward, resulting in even fewer machines coming in for claims. >And perhaps if the buyer bought an extended warranty...money in IBM's pocket. > The original warranties are transferable - I had bought a used 755Cse for my father a year or so ago and had the screen replaced on the last day of the original warranty back in August. Don't know about the extended warranties, though. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 17:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01641 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02082; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:40:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01924; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01911; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-224-086.usc.edu [128.125.224.86]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA22873; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207133729.04643760@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:39:18 +0000 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM In-Reply-To: <199812071751.KAA24158@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:51 AM 12/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'm pulling out the DVD drive and putting in the travel bezel to be >safe. Also my PC Card modem. Anything else? Unless you have some sort of software issue to address, pull the Hard Drive (easily done) and any additional memory module(s) you put into it. Since the HD is easily removed, you might as well do so. Especially when its one of the most sensitive items in a shipping situation. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 17:22:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01942 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03289; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:00:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03136; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (root@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03124; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from k2.dynamic.rpi.edu (resnet-349.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.177.117]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18392 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:00:38 -0500 (EST) From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: CD Travel bezel. was: RE: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be222d$8371d260$75b17180@k2.dynamic.rpi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981207133729.04643760@rcf.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > > At 10:51 AM 12/7/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm pulling out the DVD drive and putting in the travel bezel to be > >safe. Also my PC Card modem. Anything else? What travel bezel? I have an original 600, but my CD-ROM doesn't have a travel bezel! I wish I had one! > > Unless you have some sort of software issue to address, > pull the Hard > Drive (easily done) and any additional memory module(s) you put into it. > > Since the HD is easily removed, you might as well do so. > Especially when > its one of the most sensitive items in a shipping situation. > > ---- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him > to behave?" > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 17:55:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02505 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06088; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05976; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (root@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05934; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08654 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812072244.RAA08654@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? (fwd) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:44:16 -0500 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Interesting ... the price I was quoted by the university boosktore on IBM memory (128M) is $645 Can (and there's no tax, 'cos it's a research grant). This translates to about $420 US, inclusive. I had assumed this would be on the expensive side, but I guess not. -- Michael Godfrey, Assistant Professor Univ of Waterloo, Dept of CS migod@plg.uwaterloo.ca Previously, Bill Morrow wrote: > Mike.. re. memory.. several manufacturers offer the 128meg part now.. > > most are priced at about $450 to $490.. IBM's offering is near the top, > others are around $450.. Apricorn, Goldenram, IBM, et al.. > > note: Apricorn and goldenram have lifetime warranty, IBM has 3 years > warranty .. > > the IBM parts are made by... (sounds of opening up a 770X) Hitachi..! > :-) > > the other two are made in the USA.. (of US and Non-US parts) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 18:13:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02768 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06091; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05889; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05868; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16636 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:43:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16623 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:43:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207172101.00beacc0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:21:01 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: CD Travel bezel. was: RE: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM In-Reply-To: <000201be222d$8371d260$75b17180@k2.dynamic.rpi.edu> References: <4.1.19981207133729.04643760@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:04 PM 12/7/98 -0500, A Kumar wrote: >What travel bezel? I have an original 600, but my CD-ROM doesn't have a >travel bezel! I wish I had one! > Shoulda been one in the box - might want to go rummage through it again. It's not big or very obvious and would be easy to overlook. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 18:18:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02828 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03389; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:01:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03253; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03185; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id PAA01900; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:01:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:01:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812072201.PAA01900@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM List-Unsubscribe: > Unless you have some sort of software issue to address, pull the > Hard Drive (easily done) Is this going to bother them? I mean it sounds like a stupid question, since obviously they're going to be equipped to handle this, but they took down my info about my Administrator password for NT, so I figure they're hoping for your hard drive to be inside. But then again, this is the first time I've ever sent a laptop for any sort of repair. Anybody else do this? Just really anxious to get my unit back by the end of the week. Also, assuming they have said over the phone that they are replacing the TFT, I'm not going to get my laptop back without a new TFT, am I? I plan on showing them exactly where the bad ones are, but I'm concerned that they might say "well... we didn't find anything wrong, here's your unit back", in which case I'm going to be mad. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 18:23:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02882 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07697; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:05:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07538; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell9.ba.best.com (root@shell9.ba.best.com [206.184.139.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07307; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dgoldman@localhost) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id PAA05482; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: David Goldman Message-Id: <199812072302.PAA05482@shell9.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? In-Reply-To: <199812072222.RAA07672@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> from "Michael W. Godfrey" at "Dec 7, 98 05:22:00 pm" To: migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (Michael W. Godfrey) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:02:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > > Previously, David Goldman wrote: > > My suggestion for multiple operating systems is to spend $30-$40 and get > > a copy of "System Commander" from ?V Systems?. I have used it multiple > > times and have always had great results. > > Have you used it on a laptop, by any chance? Is it known to work with 98 > plus NT plus linux? I've used it on one desktop and two laptop systems, including my TP 380Z. It works with many, many operating systems. I've personally used it with Windows for Workgroups 3.11, Win 95 and OS/2 on the same system. On my TP 380Z, I've got OS/2 (Warp 4) and NT Workstation 4 with no problem. It should also work with Linux just fine. > > Regarding (c), it is not IOMEGA but SYQUEST that is either in DEEP trouble > > or out-of-business. Iomega just introduced a new 250MB Zip drive that is > > backwards compatible with the original 100MB version (the 250MB model can > > read/write the 100 disks, but not the other way around). > > Well I guess my real question is, is the LS120 format likely to stay around > for a while, or should I accept ZIP as a de facto "standard". ZIP is much more widely used than LS120, so if you intend to use the media to "share files" with others, then I'd go with the ZIP drive. If you just want an easy way to store files for your own personal use, then the LS120 might be just fine. -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 18:32:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02993 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07012; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:58:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06871; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06852; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id PAA02462; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:57:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:57:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812072257.PAA02462@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD Travel bezel. was: RE: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going List-Unsubscribe: > What travel bezel? I have an original 600, but my CD-ROM doesn't > have a travel bezel! I wish I had one! Maybe you're confusing it. The 600 comes with the CD ROM drive, a floppy drive with floppy carrier, and a piece of plastic which slips into the Ultraslim bay when you're not using either the CD or the Floppy internally. It's just a placeholder in the Ultraslim bay... not a carrier for the CD ROM drive (which I think you're thinking about). -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 19:07:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03380 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10315; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:52:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10207; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth.ipass.net (mail.ipass.net [198.79.53.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10194; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17542 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:52:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366B1851.D83C7057@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:50:41 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'TP List'" Subject: Re: Problem with 770E References: <366C0378.4C67FDEE@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Teresa, If you can get into the BIOS (power down, hold F1, turn on) check both the date and time to see if they are correct. also go to configure and initialize. This will reset the BIOS to factory defaults. Good luck Chris Haun Teresa Selling wrote: > > When rebooting once (after changing something via TP utility) two error > codes came up on boot. > I believe they were 173 and 163. A call to TP support revealed a > problem with the backup battery/ > clock function. TP support was going to have me install the DOS > Utility/Personalization disk with they > said had a fix for this problem. But it wouldn't install because I had > converted the drive to Fat32. > Anyone else heard of this problem? Do I really need to have it sent to > EZ-Server because I cannot > install the DOS Utility/Personization disk? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 19:22:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03730 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11405; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11309; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth.ipass.net (mail.ipass.net [198.79.53.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11296; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20945 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:12:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366B1D1E.FB598E63@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 19:11:10 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: 701C and NT 4.0 Video Question References: <7FA76847748DD111AA800060B06CB3F0B5A8F5@chexchange2.sidley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM has a NT 3.51 driver for the 701 at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3P4NTW.html I don't know of 3.51 drivers work with NT 4.0 If they don't try the Chips&Tech reference drivers at: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/mobile/lst_548.htm Chris Haun "Robbins, Richard" wrote: > > I've installed NT 4.0 on my 701C and was wondering what I need to do to get > the thing to handle more than 16 colors. > > -- Rich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 19:40:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03936 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12231; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12127; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12114; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u9d.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.249.45]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31227 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:26:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207191341.00b5bd00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:13:41 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM In-Reply-To: <199812072201.PAA01900@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:01 PM 12/7/98 -0700, Albert C. Lee wrote: >Is this going to bother them? I mean it sounds like a stupid >question, since obviously they're going to be equipped to handle this, >but they took down my info about my Administrator password for NT, so >I figure they're hoping for your hard drive to be inside. > >But then again, this is the first time I've ever sent a laptop for any >sort of repair. Anybody else do this? Just really anxious to get my >unit back by the end of the week. > >Also, assuming they have said over the phone that they are replacing >the TFT, I'm not going to get my laptop back without a new TFT, am I? >I plan on showing them exactly where the bad ones are, but I'm >concerned that they might say "well... we didn't find anything wrong, >here's your unit back", in which case I'm going to be mad. > Don't send anything that is not related to the problem. Strip the machine. I wouldn't even send the travel bezel. Why take a chance on something getting lost or broken? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 19:57:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04098 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13535; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13361; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13324; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-225-032.usc.edu [128.125.225.32]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA04998; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:49:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207164715.046e5280@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:49:19 +0000 To: Jane Loyless , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CD Travel bezel. was: RE: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981207172101.00beacc0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <000201be222d$8371d260$75b17180@k2.dynamic.rpi.edu> <4.1.19981207133729.04643760@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:21 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:04 PM 12/7/98 -0500, A Kumar wrote: > >>What travel bezel? I have an original 600, but my CD-ROM doesn't have a >>travel bezel! I wish I had one! >> > >Shoulda been one in the box - might want to go rummage through it again. >It's not big or very obvious and would be easy to overlook. Its not the CD-ROM that has a travel bezel (I presume you mean a "holder"), but rather its a "plug" that fits in the slim-bay in the absence of some other item (like CD, Floppy, etc.). I think the gentleman was saying he didn't get anything to put his CD in. Which I agree was an oversight on the part of IBM. When I briefly had an NEC machine before my 600, it had a little zip-up padded pouch that stored the CD drive when not in the machine. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 20:05:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04172 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13506; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13317; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13303; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-225-032.usc.edu [128.125.225.32]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA04985; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:49:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981207163704.046e3870@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:46:57 +0000 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Bad pixel Thinkpad 600E going back to IBM In-Reply-To: <199812072201.PAA01900@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:01 PM 12/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Unless you have some sort of software issue to address, pull the >> Hard Drive (easily done) > >Is this going to bother them? I mean it sounds like a stupid >question, since obviously they're going to be equipped to handle this, >but they took down my info about my Administrator password for NT, so >I figure they're hoping for your hard drive to be inside. It shouldn't phase them a bit--and unless you have a software or HD issue, I wouldn't want to send my HD in. Just one more thing that can get beat up! Unless they're configuring the machine for something, I wouldn't think they'd need it. In your case, they're just looking at your screen. >Also, assuming they have said over the phone that they are replacing >the TFT, I'm not going to get my laptop back without a new TFT, am I? >I plan on showing them exactly where the bad ones are, but I'm >concerned that they might say "well... we didn't find anything wrong, >here's your unit back", in which case I'm going to be mad. (a) Get name & number of whoever you talked to that promised you the TFT replacement. (b) I'd "mark" the bad pixels. The way that comes to mind would be to use hole-reinforcers (look like sticky donuts). Place the sticker over the bad pixel so that the bad pixel is clearly shown through the hole, identifying the bad pixels for service people first looking at your machine. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 20:09:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04207 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13185; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:46:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13072; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tubby.pacificcoast.net (root@tubby.pacificcoast.net [204.209.208.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13028; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from david (usr1-68.gen.pacificcoast.net [139.142.98.68]) by tubby.pacificcoast.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA22295 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:28:01 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "D.G.(David) Stevenson" To: Subject: RE: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? (fwd) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:45:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be2244$1a58cba0$44628e8b@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812072244.RAA08654@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I just ordered and received a 64 Meg upgrade for my 560x, cost me 85.00 US$ and 5.00 shipping. Worked out to less than 140.00 Canadian. I can't remember the price of 128 Meg modules they offered for other ThinkPad models as I could only add this additional 64 Meg. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael W. Godfrey [mailto:migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 2:44 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: about to buy a 600E. Do I need ...? (fwd) > > > > Interesting ... the price I was quoted by the university boosktore on IBM > memory (128M) is $645 Can (and there's no tax, 'cos it's a > research grant). > This translates to about $420 US, inclusive. I had assumed this would be > on the expensive side, but I guess not. > > -- > Michael Godfrey, Assistant Professor > Univ of Waterloo, Dept of CS > migod@plg.uwaterloo.ca > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 21:58:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05263 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17574; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:25:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17473; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17458; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (slip129-37-241-95.wa.us.ibm.net [129.37.241.95]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA163564; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:24:53 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981207182336.0343b340@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:23:36 -0800 To: H Doan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? In-Reply-To: <19981203091420.26401.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My experience is 48 hours or less. At 01:14 AM 12/3/98 -0800, H Doan wrote: > > >I am sending my machine away for minor service. They're going to ship >me a FedEx box to ship the machine. Anyone know the average turn-around? > >Thanks, >Hung > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 7 22:02:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05296 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18804; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:52:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18703; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18684; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl ([12.77.31.211]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981208025117.GSBH2766@dts_jl> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:51:17 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981207213807.00b8c830@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:38:07 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: CD Travel bezel. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981207164715.046e5280@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19981207172101.00beacc0@pop.mindspring.com> <000201be222d$8371d260$75b17180@k2.dynamic.rpi.edu> <4.1.19981207133729.04643760@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:49 PM 12/7/98 +0000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Its not the CD-ROM that has a travel bezel (I presume you mean a >"holder"), but rather its a "plug" that fits in the slim-bay in the absence >of some other item (like CD, Floppy, etc.). > Nah, I meant the bezel - when I first unboxed the 600 eval unit, I couldn't figure out what that weird little piece of plastic was for. That's why I thought he might have overlooked it in the box. > I think the gentleman was saying he didn't get anything to put his CD in. >Which I agree was an oversight on the part of IBM. When I briefly had an >NEC machine before my 600, it had a little zip-up padded pouch that stored >the CD drive when not in the machine. > I don't understand why IBM didn't design the floppy case to use either the floppy or the CD-ROM externally. And I certainly don't understand why Imation designed their LS120 drive like the CD-ROM so that it wouldn't fit there either. (If they'd just asked me first, I'da been glad to tell them...) Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 00:06:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06840 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23471; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:56:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23269; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23255; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (71.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA05296; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:56:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366CB1DB.51C93AA0@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:58:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teresa Selling CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: <366C296E.C98F960F@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Teresa.. start working your way up to a supervisor.. ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. the paint thing was an example.. i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must have been abused.. be nice, but be insistent..!! Teresa Selling wrote: > One of the little port replicator doors fell off one of my 770 > machines. Evidently one of the little pins holding it in place broke. > EZ-Serve wants to charge me over $300 to fix. They say they don't > cover plastic parts. Whats the deal with this? This machine was > obviously not abused, but it is put in and taken out of the port > replicator once a day. I even included the door that fell off. Anyone > know how to get this covered under warranty? I was told that only if > there was a recall would it be covered. Help! -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 01:02:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07605 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25789; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:54:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25688; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25676; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA21698 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:54:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:54:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! In-Reply-To: <366CB1DB.51C93AA0@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > Teresa.. > start working your way up to a supervisor.. > ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > > the paint thing was an example.. > i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > > they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must > have been abused.. > > be nice, but be insistent..!! And if all else fails, send the machine in to get warranty stuff fixed. Include a note mentioning some of the cosmetic problems you'd like fixed. EZ-Serv has called me both times I've done this with an outrageous estimate for repair of the cosmetic stuff. I told them not to fix it, and got the machine back with most of the cosmetic problems fixed anyways free of charge. Apparently the folks who actually do the repairs are not as anal as the folks in charge of authorizing repairs. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 01:06:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07632 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26393; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:04:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26312; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26299; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (2Cust5.tnt23.dfw5.da.uu.net [208.254.195.133]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04270 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:04:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <366CDE0E.A1CF4CD@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:06:38 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I only sent it in for the fixing the replicator door. But when they called me to say that it would be over three hundred dollars to fix the door, they prefixed by saying they were replacing the system board free of charge (course I never had any trouble with the system board). John Kim wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Teresa.. > > start working your way up to a supervisor.. > > ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > > > > the paint thing was an example.. > > i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > > > > they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must > > have been abused.. > > > > be nice, but be insistent..!! > > And if all else fails, send the machine in to get warranty > stuff fixed. Include a note mentioning some of the cosmetic > problems you'd like fixed. EZ-Serv has called me both times > I've done this with an outrageous estimate for repair of the > cosmetic stuff. I told them not to fix it, and got the > machine back with most of the cosmetic problems fixed anyways > free of charge. Apparently the folks who actually do the > repairs are not as anal as the folks in charge of authorizing > repairs. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 01:09:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07665 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26831; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:08:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26729; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26717; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (71.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA21214; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366CC2A1.53D15046@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:09:37 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teresa Selling CC: "'TP List'" Subject: Re: Problem with 770E References: <366C0378.4C67FDEE@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Teresa.. you have two HDD's, install the utility on one with fat16, use it, then go back to using your fat32 HDD.. Teresa Selling wrote: > When rebooting once (after changing something via TP utility) two error > codes came up on boot. > I believe they were 173 and 163. A call to TP support revealed a > problem with the backup battery/ > clock function. TP support was going to have me install the DOS > Utility/Personalization disk with they > said had a fix for this problem. But it wouldn't install because I had > converted the drive to Fat32. > Anyone else heard of this problem? Do I really need to have it sent to > EZ-Server because I cannot > install the DOS Utility/Personization disk? -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 01:15:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07697 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26269; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:03:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26115; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26103; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (71.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA20131; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366CC15A.8B862A9D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:04:10 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Giles CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem with 770-1AU and 16MB picture card References: <003401be21ed$c6d583c0$ed8b89d0@tujay2.c-gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Eric.. Hi..!! did ja get the memory? Eric Giles wrote: > I have been trying to install a 16MB flash card from my Kodak DC-200 digital > camera on my 770 using the Kodak PC Card adapter. what is the kodak pc card adapter..??is the 16meg flash card a pc card or a smart media..?? > Unfortunately, I have not > been able to get it to work. In Device Manager, it installs the Standard > IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller whenever the card is inserted. However, it is > listed with a yellow exclamation point. It says that the device is not > present, functioning properly, or does not have the drivers installed. There > are no resource conflicts. > i've used a pc card from my ricoh RDC-1 (old) and a smart media card from the olympus D600L..the ricoh acts strange but it seems to work, and the smart media thing works well in all the machines i have used it in.. > I have used this same card in my 701c without any problems, however trying > to print images to my Epson Stylus Color 740 takes forever with the 701 (it > is very quick using the USB port on the 770). > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Eric Giles -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 02:08:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08264 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28440; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:00:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28334; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28321; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:59:43 -0500 Sender: brownac@csi.com Received: from brown.kuniv.edu.kw ([139.141.70.49] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id BAA23779 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:58:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981208095905.007a1d00@pop.site1.csi.com> X-Sender: brownac@pop.site1.csi.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:59:05 +0300 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: AC Brown Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The EasyServ Plus extended warranty for years 4 & 5 costs exactly the same for the TP 560 as for the TP 770 -- $99 per year. This implies that IBM expects the service costs for the two types of machines to be similar and contradicts the conjecture that the TP 560 is meant to be less reliable by design. But it seems pointless to speculate about something for which actual data is available. Both machines have been on the market long enough for IBM to have accumulated breakdown frequency and repair information. Would anyone out there who works for IBM care to post EasyServ's experience with these machines? Based on my own experience with my TP 560X, which I've carted all over the world by plane, train, bus, light rail, subway, car, and on foot, the TP 560X has proved to be as reliable as any portable computer I've ever owned, and this includes Toshibas, Compaqs, and "top of the line" Thinkpads. Arthur Brown Kuwait From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 06:20:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA09837 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11881; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:18:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11752; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from d06lmsgate.emea.ibm.com (d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com [195.212.29.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11740; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.20]) by d06lmsgate.emea.ibm.com (1.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA35302 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:17:08 GMT Received: from DE.IBM.COM (d12lms01.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.18]) by d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA40666 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:21:58 GMT Received: by DE.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.0) with snapi via D12AU017 id 5120010021172780; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:17:30 +0000 From: Eduard Erhart To: Subject: [755CD] Win98 Message-ID: <5120010021172780000002L102*@MHS> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:17:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: =0AHi! Has anyone successfully installed win98 on a TP755CD. I have an error m= essage while booting "Unable to load VMWGAMES.386 - VMWGAMES.386 version 3.X require= d." I have installed the Mwave software 2.25 from http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html. Any suggestions? mit herzlichen Gr=FC=DFen/kind regards Eduard Erhart Phone: +43 1 1706 6221 IBM Austria Fax: +43 1 1706 1064 Eduard_Erhart@at.ibm.com Mobile: +43664 1 426 314= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 11:11:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12595 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23925; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:00:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23729; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23610; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:58:54 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00085748; Tue, 8 Dec 98 10:45:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:56:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00085748.CE21223@smh.com> Subject: Re[2]: 701C and NT 4.0 Video Question To: Chris Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: Rich, I installed NT4.0 on a 701C a couple of years ago. The 701C is actually "certified hardware" according to Microsoft. The appropriated drivers are on the NT disk. You'll also find sound drivers somewhere on it, too. Neil TP 600 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 701C and NT 4.0 Video Question Author: Chris at Internet Date: 12/6/98 7:11 PM IBM has a NT 3.51 driver for the 701 at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3P4NTW.html I don't know of 3.51 drivers work with NT 4.0 If they don't try the Chips&Tech reference drivers at: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/mobile/lst_548.htm Chris Haun "Robbins, Richard" wrote: > > I've installed NT 4.0 on my 701C and was wondering what I need to do to get > the thing to handle more than 16 colors. > > -- Rich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 11:18:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12663 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24428; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:08:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24270; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24254; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial20.vramp.net (dial20.vramp.net [209.107.20.35]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29680; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:08:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812081608.LAA29680@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [755CD] Win98 Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: Eduard_Erhart@at.ibm.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5120010021172780000002L102*@MHS> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 8 Dec 98, at 11:17, Eduard Erhart wrote: > Has anyone successfully installed win98 on a TP755CD. I have an error message > while booting "Unable to load VMWGAMES.386 - VMWGAMES.386 version 3.X > required." Yes I have, although I wound up taking it off again as I didn't see any benefit >from the vastly increased disk usage. The processors in the 755CD (either the 486DX4/100 or the Pentium 75) just aren't up to supporting all the "goodies" available in 98. Nor did I see the above referenced message. Were I you, I'd search for the subject file in win.ini and system.ini in sysedit and rem it out (with a semi- colon [;]), then try re-loading 98 if you absolutely _must_ have it. Win95B or C are more than adequate for the 75X series laptops and fully supported by IBM. There is very little Win98 support available for the older units from IBM vs. what is available for, say, my TP600 or any of the other newer machines. Gute gluck, James "Boy do I miss Wien" Maugham James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 13:17:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14690 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01616; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:10:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01439; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01421; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwthinkpad (ppp-223-146.usc.edu [128.125.223.146]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA18289 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:09:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981208091843.009ca440@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:31:58 +0000 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981208095905.007a1d00@pop.site1.csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:59 AM 12/8/98 +0300, you wrote: >The EasyServ Plus extended warranty for years 4 & 5 costs exactly the >same for the TP 560 as for the TP 770 -- $99 per year. This implies that >IBM expects the service costs for the two types of machines to be similar >and contradicts the conjecture that the TP 560 is meant to be less >reliable by design. It may seem to, but not really. Businesses always have to balance areas of operations, financials, and marketing. It was likely a marketing decision to make all the extended service contracts the same price, regardless of model, to indicate a kind of "fairness" to the customer who has one model at one warranty price, while another has a different price for the extended warranty. The truth *may* be that in a vacuum, they'd set the 770's extended warranty price at $79 while they'd set the 560's at $129, based on expected failure rates of each machine and the expected repair cost for each (which may also differ, but I'd presume they'd largely be the same). But they didn't want the customer to see a disparity, so they settle on a "standard" price for all machines. >But it seems pointless to speculate about something for which actual >data is available. Both machines have been on the market long enough >for IBM to have accumulated breakdown frequency and repair information. >Would anyone out there who works for IBM care to post EasyServ's >experience with these machines? I'd love to see it, but I'm certain you're not going to get it. First of all, few people at EasyServe would actually know the figures (though their anecdotal information would still be valuable) and secondly, those who do know them also know it would be considered strategic information. You don't want your competitors to know important info like what failure rate you have on your machines, weak points, etc. I'm merely posting from my knowledge of business decision-making at the managerial level and how departments, with their many and varied interests & needs, get balanced (with a splash of Organizational Behavior thrown in). That much is not IBM-specific, but regular practice across many types of businesses. That, and a little insider information on IBM workings in general. For instance, I mentioned to my brother that the 600's manual said that although the HD is removable, they recommend against removing and replacing it very much--only for upgrade purposes, but not anything else. Dave, a former IBM'er of 15 years who had worked in both IBM Financial Planning & then Marketing divisions, then told me that statement means they didn't test it for multiple removal/replacements. Not that it couldn't do it, but that it wasn't tested and therefore they didn't really know and the statement was meant to cover their collective you-know-whats. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 13:39:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15056 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03493; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:31:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03362; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from d06lmsgate.emea.ibm.com (d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com [195.212.29.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03135; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.20]) by d06lmsgate.emea.ibm.com (1.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA69514 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:29:19 GMT Received: from DE.IBM.COM (d12lms01.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.18]) by d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11778 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:34:09 GMT Received: by DE.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.0) with snapi via D12AU017 id 5120010021203913; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:29:41 +0000 From: Eduard Erhart To: Subject: Re: [755CD] Win98 Message-ID: <5120010021203913000002L132*@MHS> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:29:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: =0AA BIOS upgrade solved the problem ! mit herzlichen Gr=FC=DFen/kind regards Eduard Erhart Phone: +43 1 1706 6221 IBM Austria Fax: +43 1 1706 1064 Eduard_Erhart@at.ibm.com Mobile: +43664 1 426 314= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 15:08:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16192 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09181; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:58:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09033; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from valis.olywa.net (olywa.net [205.163.58.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09011; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from psynet.net ([208.1.124.95]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:58:17 -0800 Message-ID: <366D8484.5868A4F2@psynet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:56:53 -0800 From: J Organization: ear's mind X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar publications? Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by gruff, rude people who are probably part of the "family". Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". ummmmmmm really? Scam or real? suggested questions I should ask? james From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 15:47:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16780 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10892; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10797; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10763; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with SMTP id MAA25920; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:19:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981208121700.00aeb680@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:20:28 -0800 To: J From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <366D8484.5868A4F2@psynet.net> References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:56 AM 12/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello All, > >Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who >regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar publications? >Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by >gruff, rude people who are probably part of the "family". > >Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x >p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". >ummmmmmm really? Three questions should always be asked: 1) Are you an authorized _________ dealer? 2) Is the product new, unopened and still in the original factory packing? 3) What is your return policy? You might also want to check what they charge for shipping and/or using credit cards. Finally, if the price seems too good to be true, it usually is. To find out what the reasonable (low end) price range is, you might want to check: http://www.shopper.com -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 16:30:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17403 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13965; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13796; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13759; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05832; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:15:56 -1000 Message-ID: <002d01be22f8$5702fd00$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "J" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:15:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who >regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar >publications? >Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by >gruff, >rude people who are probably part of the "family". I don't know about Eastern, but Sunshine and Marine Park are well-known (with a very bad rep) in the online photo community. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 21:42:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21795 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28579; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:34:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28413; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28398; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id SAA12620 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <366DE1A8.EC0C5D2A@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:34:16 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Infrared communications on 560X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone managed to get IR working properly on this machine? As far as I can tell there's no IR port - every other laptop I've seen, even other thinkpads, have a dark red glass "eye" transceiver. The 560X has the same plastic casing where the port should be - the IR symbol is embossed on the case. Am I missing something obvious? Is there a cover that needs to be removed or something? I just got a Zaurus 3500X that supports IR sync, but the 560X refuses to see it. I've already enabled it in device manager. I also tried disabling the serial port to prevent conflicts. I can have both active by reassigning IRQs, but it doesn't change anything. I can sync via cable, but it's a hassle as I have a scanner connected on the serial port and I don't want to swap cables all the time. Besides, it's a lot cooler when you do it wirelessly :-) Any suggestions? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 21:57:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21959 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14724; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14621; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14606; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29327 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <366D8484.5868A4F2@psynet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: www.resellerratings.com They only have a listing for Marine Park (bad). But I can verify that you really want to avoid Marine Park, and you probably want to avoid Sunshine (they were very rude when I was calling around for prices several years ago). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 21:57:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21969 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16052; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:48:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15897; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (skl2@Ra.MsState.Edu [130.18.80.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15850; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (skl2@localhost); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/MsState-Ra/1.15) with SMTP; id PAA08202; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:47:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:47:17 -0600 (CST) From: See K Lam To: John Kim cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i have the same experience few weeks ago when i was trying to verify prices of some thinkpads they have.... very very rude. see-kit lam On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, John Kim wrote: > www.resellerratings.com > > They only have a listing for Marine Park (bad). But I can > verify that you really want to avoid Marine Park, and you > probably want to avoid Sunshine (they were very rude when I > was calling around for prices several years ago). > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 23:17:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22819 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02842; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:14:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02583; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02569; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial15.vramp.net (dial15.vramp.net [209.107.20.30]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14925; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812090414.XAA14925@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Benjamin Koh , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:08:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Infrared communications on 560X Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <366DE1A8.EC0C5D2A@leland.stanford.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 8 Dec 98, at 18:34, Benjamin Koh wrote: > Has anyone managed to get IR working properly on this machine? What OS are you running? Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 8 23:49:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23372 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04142; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04041; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04021; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:47:18 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 062566D5.002006FC ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:49:49 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: J cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <862566D5.00192FCF.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:46:33 -0600 Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I hate to overgeneralize, but I treat mailorder computers stuff like I treat mailorder camera equipment. Stay far away, or at least be very cautious of vendors in the Northeast. Especially ones based in NY and NJ (or have the word "Honest" in their name, or the name of a state that they're not in ;-). I've found that their deals are rarely worth the effort or potential hassle. This is based on about 15years of personal grief, returns, and fighting to get an honest deal. *sigh* Try some vendor keyword searches at www.dejanews.com to read some other customer horror story examples. Rich Hello All, Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar publications? Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by gruff, rude people who are probably part of the "family". Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". ummmmmmm really? Scam or real? suggested questions I should ask? james From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 00:00:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23519 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04475; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04392; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04374; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01250; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:53:13 -1000 Message-ID: <000e01be2338$36b317c0$053e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Benjamin Koh" , Subject: Re: Infrared communications on 560X Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >As far as >I can tell there's no IR port If you, ahem, read the manual, you'll see that the IR port is cleverly secreted *beneath* the on/off switch (which is made of IR-transparent plastic). >I just got a Zaurus 3500X that supports IR sync, but the 560X refuses to >see it. I've already enabled it in device manager. Under W95, once it is (a) be enabled in 'features' and (b) shows as working properly in device manager, then you also have to install the W95 IR driver (*not* preinstalled in W95). Dunno about W98. Once installed, you can get more advice from the IRMON applet help/troubleshooting menu. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 00:11:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23660 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05215; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:07:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05103; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05089; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01275; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:07:00 -1000 Message-ID: <001901be233a$24956b40$053e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "J" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Rich Chong wrote: >I hate to overgeneralize, but I treat mailorder computers stuff like I >treat mailorder camera equipment. Stay far away, or at least be very >cautious of vendors in the Northeast. Especially ones based in NY and NJ Actually, one good test of a computer mail-order place is whether they advertise in Popular Photography. If they do, then avoid them like the plague! (The few reputable mail order dealers advertising in Pop Photo don't do computers, except as relates to digital photography.) The list of NYC-area computer mail-order places with whom I'll do business is very short: J&R, Micro Warehouse, Big City Express, and - in a pinch - Excel. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 01:15:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24228 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07505; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:07:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07412; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07394; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with SMTP id WAA02924 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:05:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981208215445.00bc75c0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:06:42 -0800 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <001901be233a$24956b40$053e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:07 AM 12/9/98 -0600, David Ross wrote: >Rich Chong wrote: > >The list of NYC-area computer mail-order places with whom I'll do business >is very short: J&R, Micro Warehouse, Big City Express, and - in a pinch - Excel. I don't know how much stock you want to put into this, but I recently purchased my TP 380Z from Micro Warehouse. I ordered three (3) things during the same telephone call: 1) A Thinkpad 380Z 2) A 64MB Ram upgrade (to be installed by them) 3) A 2 year extended IBM warranty for the ThinkPad. It was made very clear to me that the warranty was back ordered by about a week, which I acknowledged and approved. The system was delivered with the Ram installed and everything was as ordered. The warranty was delivered about a week later, but here is where things went slightly south. The warranty delivered had a list of specific models that it covered on the back of the package. My machine (2635-JBU) was NOT listed, but the package gave me the number of an IBM faxback service for a more updated (complete) listing of supported models. I received the fax and found that my model was **NOT** covered by that warranty that I received. I called Micro Warehouse to discuss this problem BEFORE I opened the warranty package. It took them 48 hours to get back to me to confirm that they had sent me the wrong warranty. They offered to either let me keep the warranty that they had sold/shipped to me (which was useless to me) or return it for a complete refund. They also offered to sell to me the warranty that I thought I had originally purchased, AT TWICE THE ORIGINAL PRICE!!! In my mind, I purchased a laptop and an extended warranty for the very same laptop. I was quoted a price and agreed to it. I thought of this as a verbal contract. Unfortunately, Micro Warehouse wasn't willing to sell me the correct warranty at the originally quoted price. THE ERROR WAS THEIRS! They weren't willing to meet me half way on this issue. If I wanted to purchase the warranty that actually covered the machine that they sold me during the same telephone call, **I** would have to make up the difference. Their error, my penalty. Needless to say, I chose to return the (worthless) warranty and will purchase it from another dealer or IBM directly. I will take my business elsewhere in the future. YMMV. -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 02:19:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24868 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09487; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09391; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09379; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jps.net (209-239-202-38.oak.jps.net [209.239.202.38]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02425 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:16:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <366DB371.95357B6F@jps.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:17:06 +0000 From: Mel Del Gallo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can someone tellme how to set upa 701C witha 2.1 gig, Win98 and the Hibernation/suspend feature. I've installed the fat32 of win 98 all on one partition but didn't setup or get prompted to setup aother fat16 partition. If I need a fat16 partition, do I set it up all over (fdisk) from scratch or is there away todo itwith something like PartitionIt? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 02:41:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25027 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10519; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:40:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10423; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10410; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA23351; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:40:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366E29BD.57076090@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:41:49 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> <366D8484.5868A4F2@psynet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: caveat emptor J wrote: > Hello All, > > Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who > regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar > publications? > Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY TRIPLE caveat emptor > , phone answered by > gruff, > rude people who are probably part of the "family". > > Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x > p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". > ummmmmmm really? > > Scam or real? > suggested questions I should ask? > > james -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 02:43:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25047 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10662; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:41:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10551; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10539; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA03708; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:41:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366E2A17.EB577E70@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:43:19 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Del Gallo CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem References: <366DB371.95357B6F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mel.. i should have set that up for you.. just use PQ Magic and make a 43meg fat16 partition, then all will be ok.. you can also disable the hibernate file in the ez setup until you have the fat16 partition done.. Mel Del Gallo wrote: > Can someone tellme how to set upa 701C witha 2.1 gig, Win98 and the > Hibernation/suspend feature. > > I've installed the fat32 of win 98 all on one partition but didn't setup > or get prompted to setup aother fat16 partition. If I need a fat16 > partition, do I set it up all over (fdisk) from scratch or is there away > todo itwith something like PartitionIt? -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 02:54:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25137 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11326; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:48:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11237; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11211; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA16602; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:48:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366E2BA5.335883AE@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:49:57 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org CC: J , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <862566D5.00192FCF.00@passnotes.share.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not ALL "mailorder" is suspect.. IMO people who are suspicious of YOU, you should be suspicious of... especially any one in NYC..! sad to say, some probably good NYC vendors get painted black with the same brush used to paint the bad guys.. i one tried to buy a laserjet printer from a NYC place, they wanted to sell me the toner cartridge.. they failed to mention that it came with the printer.. when i pointed this fact out, the creep hung up on me.. cest'la vie.. buy in LA.. :-) Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > I hate to overgeneralize, but I treat mailorder computers stuff like I > treat mailorder camera equipment. Stay far away, or at least be very > cautious of vendors in the Northeast. Especially ones based in NY and NJ > (or have the word "Honest" in their name, or the name of a state that > they're not in ;-). I've found that their deals are rarely worth the effort > or potential hassle. This is based on about 15years of personal grief, > returns, and fighting to get an honest deal. *sigh* > Try some vendor keyword searches at www.dejanews.com to read some other > customer horror story examples. > > Rich > > Hello All, > > Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who > regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar > publications? > Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by > gruff, > rude people who are probably part of the "family". > > Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x > p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". > ummmmmmm really? > > Scam or real? > suggested questions I should ask? > > james -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 03:04:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25211 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12230; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:03:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12149; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12103; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA15042; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:03:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366E2F33.378F6080@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 03:05:07 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: J , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> <4.1.19981208121700.00aeb680@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Daivd, and all lookenpeepers.. David Goldman wrote: > At 11:56 AM 12/8/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who > >regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar publications? > >Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by > >gruff, rude people who are probably part of the "family". > > > >Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x > >p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". > >ummmmmmm really? > > Three questions should always be asked: > 1) Are you an authorized _________ dealer? > a fair question.. > 2) Is the product new, unopened and still in the original factory packing? > essential.. > 3) What is your return policy? > here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on an opened box thinkpad.. period.. PERHAPS on a closed box, but never on an opened box, since that, like a new car when you title it, makes 'it' a used car or thinkpad.. i have made deals on a thinkpad, on approval, but with a fair restocking fee.. if you get a dead machine, then IBM will swap it or repair it, free.. but there IS NO return for full refund, unless you have special arrangements, once the box has been opened... > You might also want to check what they charge for shipping and/or using > credit cards. > shipping should run no more than the actual cost..most big vendors and distributors have a deal with FedEx or UPS for a big discount.. i personally, avoid doing business with a company that charges more that the actual shipping charge.. > Finally, if the price seems too good to be true, it usually is. To find > out what the reasonable (low end) price range is, you might want to check: > > http://www.shopper.com > the lowest price is not always the best price.. > -- > David Goldman -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 03:08:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25250 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12599; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:07:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12455; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12443; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA15616; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:07:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366E300E.70D2566B@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 03:08:46 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: All y'all, must understand that ez serve has been sold and has not been part of ibm for a year or more.. they have the ibm contract for repairs (and probably have other contracts as well)... they are a profit making business (the owners hope) and will profit from chargeable repairs.. John Kim wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Teresa.. > > start working your way up to a supervisor.. > > ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > > > > the paint thing was an example.. > > i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > > > > they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must > > have been abused.. > > > > be nice, but be insistent..!! > > And if all else fails, send the machine in to get warranty > stuff fixed. Include a note mentioning some of the cosmetic > problems you'd like fixed. EZ-Serv has called me both times > I've done this with an outrageous estimate for repair of the > cosmetic stuff. I told them not to fix it, and got the > machine back with most of the cosmetic problems fixed anyways > free of charge. Apparently the folks who actually do the > repairs are not as anal as the folks in charge of authorizing > repairs. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 06:49:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA26532 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24905; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:47:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24801; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24786; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.out) with SMTP id DAA12690 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:46:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981209033843.00bcd4f0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 03:47:23 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <366E2F33.378F6080@icanect.net> References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> <4.1.19981208121700.00aeb680@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:05 AM 12/9/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >Daivd, and all lookenpeepers.. > >David Goldman wrote: > >> 3) What is your return policy? >> > >here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on an opened box thinkpad.. >period.. >PERHAPS on a closed box, but never on an opened box, since that, like a new car >when you title it, makes 'it' a used car or thinkpad.. >i have made deals on a thinkpad, on approval, but with a fair restocking fee.. > >if you get a dead machine, then IBM will swap it or repair it, free.. > >but there IS NO return for full refund, unless you have special arrangements, >once the box has been opened... > On items other than a laptop, this is an essential question (IMHO). It gives a good indication of the quality / customer service policy of a company that you are about to do business with. Some companies try to make returns and shipping a profit center. Others are more reasonable. I stand by my suggestion to ask this question. > >> You might also want to check what they charge for shipping and/or using >> credit cards. >> > >shipping should run no more than the actual cost..most big vendors and >distributors have a deal with FedEx or UPS for a big discount.. > >i personally, avoid doing business with a company that charges more that the >actual shipping charge.. > Microsoft, for one, makes an incredible profit on S&H. I'm willing to live with people who make a small/reasonable profit on S&H. After all, it does take some amount of labor to package & process an order. > >> Finally, if the price seems too good to be true, it usually is. To find >> out what the reasonable (low end) price range is, you might want to check: >> >> http://www.shopper.com >> > >the lowest price is not always the best price.. > This is true, but just because a price is the lowest does not automatically mean that it is not the best price either. One must weigh the peace of mind when doing business with a reputable dealer vs saving a few more $$$. I will sometimes buy an airline ticket that is not the cheapest, either to get the option of making changes at no penalty or to avoid a carrier with a bad service record. -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 08:32:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27322 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28265; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28130; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28112; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id IAA13130 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from homer.msc.com by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id fa001955 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:27:23 -0500 From: "Steve Meisner" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Sketchy Mail Order? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:27:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be2377$a322cd80$3200a8c0@homer.msc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <366E2BA5.335883AE@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: FYI: Since I live in the north east area (New Hampshire) I tend to favor mail-order outfits around me. In all of the ones I have dealt with, I can say that I honestly trust only two of them: State Street Discount ( http://www.ssdonline.com ) NECX ( http://www.necx.com ) NECX has a much wider selection, but are a little more difficult to deal with. For example, I purchased a Viewsonic PS90 monitor, just as I received it, the price dropped on NECX $100. I called them back before I opened the box. After haggling a bit, we split the difference and the actually refunded me $50. Overall I was happy. State Street is absolutely great! Their very honest and friendly to deal with. I love ordering through them. ANY mail-order outfit is going to look great as long as there are no problems. When you need to do a return, receive the wrong part or the shipment is late is when you really get to judge a company. I use these "hard times" to make the above judgements. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:50 AM To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org Cc: J; ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? not ALL "mailorder" is suspect.. IMO people who are suspicious of YOU, you should be suspicious of... especially any one in NYC..! sad to say, some probably good NYC vendors get painted black with the same brush used to paint the bad guys.. i one tried to buy a laserjet printer from a NYC place, they wanted to sell me the toner cartridge.. they failed to mention that it came with the printer.. when i pointed this fact out, the creep hung up on me.. cest'la vie.. buy in LA.. :-) Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > I hate to overgeneralize, but I treat mailorder computers stuff like I > treat mailorder camera equipment. Stay far away, or at least be very > cautious of vendors in the Northeast. Especially ones based in NY and NJ > (or have the word "Honest" in their name, or the name of a state that > they're not in ;-). I've found that their deals are rarely worth the effort > or potential hassle. This is based on about 15years of personal grief, > returns, and fighting to get an honest deal. *sigh* > Try some vendor keyword searches at www.dejanews.com to read some other > customer horror story examples. > > Rich > > Hello All, > > Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who > regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar > publications? > Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by > gruff, > rude people who are probably part of the "family". > > Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x > p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". > ummmmmmm really? > > Scam or real? > suggested questions I should ask? > > james -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 10:47:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28544 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06986; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:35:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06824; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06811; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05511 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:35:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:35:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981208215445.00bc75c0@shell9.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Another question you want to ask (though it's usually not relevant to laptops) is if the part is OEM. OEM items are sold in bulk to resellers at a discount, and are supposed to be used in pre-built systems. So they usually come with a bare-bones manual and without bundled software. OEM may be useful in some cases like a sound or graphics card or hard drive, and may cost 10%-40% less than the same retail item. But sometimes they just aren't worth it. I found out at the last minute that the place I ordered a CD-RW drive from was selling an OEM item. I canceled the order and for $30 more got the retail version, which included CD burning software ($25 add-on to the OEM version, and they version they were selling didn't even support the drive I was buying), miscellaneous software like Adobe Photo Deluxe, a CD-labeling kit, and a manual that described more than installation. Well worth the extra $5. Does anyone know of any other online customer ratings services than www.resellerratings.com? I think these organized end-user reviews are a great feature unique to the net since they rely on user feedback. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 11:19:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28877 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09583; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:56 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09381; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA28463 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08723; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial8.vramp.net (dial8.vramp.net [209.107.20.23]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11351 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:04:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812091604.LAA11351@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:59:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sketchy Mail Order - Some Assistance Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000401be2377$a322cd80$3200a8c0@homer.msc.com> References: <366E2BA5.335883AE@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 9 Dec 98, at 8:27, Steve Meisner wrote: > For example, I purchased a Viewsonic PS90 monitor, just as I received it, the > price dropped on NECX $100. I called them back before I opened the box. After > haggling a bit, we split the difference and the actually refunded me $50. > Overall I was happy. Herein is the another problem when dealing with mail order houses. People's perception of what makes them happy differs across the spectrum. I wouldn't have been happy unless I had received the full $100.00! But that's me. Anytime you deal with these folks you have a friend on your side even if you're not aware of it. The credit card company. A quick call to them (especially AMEX) stating that you have a problem with a purchase that you are attempting to resolve (or cannot resolve) will result in the vendor's account being debited for your purchase. The end result of this is a 180 degree sea change on the part of the vendor with them actually calling YOU! Once you put your hand in their pocket, albeit electronically, they suddenly are all sweetness and light. Even the surly ones in Brooklyn with last names ending in a vowel! This is also the reason that they will almost insist that you pay by check or money order by tacking on "handling" fees to credit card purchases of anywhere up to 7 or 8 percent. I agree very strongly with the list's consensus of opinion that the best way to head off these problems is to deal with a nationally recognized company (CDW, Microwarehouse, etc.) or people you know and trust, like Bill. So you might pay a little more, think of it as peace of mind insurance. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 11:20:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28889 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10192; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:17:27 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10085; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA28563 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09623; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id JAA29078; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:13:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:13:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812091613.JAA29078@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Laptop in transit to EZ-Serve List-Unsubscribe: Well, I thought I'd update everyone with my experience so far with my Thinkpad 600E going back for service (needs a new TFT panel... old one had failing pixels that are increasing in number). I got the box from IBM today, and I have to say... they must have spent a year designing it. You get a self-assemble box which when complete, suspends the laptop between two sheets of film. Very impressive. As suggested by members on the list, I yanked the HD, battery, bezel, the 32mb of memory that came extra, and just shipped the bare unit. I filled out the form completely, including all my necessary contact information. I marked off the screen with paper reinforcements, showing the bad pixels, and included post-it notes next to each reinforcement indicating the type of bad pixel they are looking for. A total of 9 (4 green, 1 blue, 4-6 dimming out it turns out). It's now in the hands of Airborne. I really hope that I get my machine back by Friday. I will update you guys when I get it back. I'm still pretty bent out of shape that I had to do it at all, but if EZ Serve delivers on time, I'm not going to complain anymore... I suppose one of the reasons I bought a Thinkpad was because of the 'legendary' support. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 11:22:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28914 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09774; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:14:42 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09657; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA28494 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20618; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial5.vramp.net (dial5.vramp.net [209.107.20.20]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26197; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812071837.NAA26197@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Randal Whittle Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:32:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: [TP560] takes a lickin', keeps on tickin' Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: TP List Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19981207082653.0463df10@rcf.usc.edu> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 7 Dec 98, at 8:29, Randal Whittle wrote: > Usually, warranties aren't transferrable to a new owner (are IBM's?). Yes, they are. I've had no difficulty transferring warranties on units we've received from donations. We have in the past requested letters of transfer >from the original purchasers but have found that this is not necessary. I would have to assume that a transfer by sale would also be favorably looked upon by EzServe. The only time we have had a problem was on a 755CD unit where the internal (BIOS) serial no. and case serial no. were different, indicating that someone had cannibalized two units to make one operable one. A little discussion pointing out the fact that BOTH serial nos. were still under warranty got us over that hurdle. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 11:26:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28974 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09580; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:40 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09335; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA28452 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06796; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id VAA26335 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <366E0DBF.21D66C3F@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:42:24 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Infrared communications on 560X - fixed References: <000e01be2338$36b317c0$053e6420@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks all for the quick responses! I'm using Win95. It's working great now. Both IR and the serial port are active. I wish IBM shipped it preconfigured though - would have saved some trouble mucking with IRQs. Anyway it turned out to be something REALLY dumb... sigh... after activating the IR I forgot to set the Zaurus itself to use IR... DOH! Sorry to clog the list. FWIW, I DID check the manual, but I had no idea the port could work through the plastic itself. Cool... I thought there was some error somewhere when I first unpacked the machine and read the manual, but I figured I'd never use IR so it didn't matter. Of course now it matters... :-) Ben David Ross wrote: > > >As far as > >I can tell there's no IR port > > If you, ahem, read the manual, you'll see that the IR port is cleverly > secreted *beneath* the on/off switch (which is made of IR-transparent plastic). > > >I just got a Zaurus 3500X that supports IR sync, but the 560X refuses to > >see it. I've already enabled it in device manager. > > Under W95, once it is (a) be enabled in 'features' and (b) shows as working properly in device manager, then you also have to > install the W95 IR driver (*not* preinstalled in W95). Dunno about W98. Once installed, you can get more advice from the IRMON > applet help/troubleshooting menu. > > - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 14:07:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01454 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12273; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:39:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12123; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12110; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13791 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:39:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13782 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:39:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981209112620.00b8e760@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:26:20 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Laptop in transit to EZ-Serve In-Reply-To: <199812091613.JAA29078@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:13 AM 12/9/98 -0700, Albert C. Lee wrote: >I got the box from IBM today, and I have to say... they must have >spent a year designing it. You get a self-assemble box which when >complete, suspends the laptop between two sheets of film. Very >impressive. > Isn't that the weirdest box you ever saw? The last time I had to ship one of our TPs in for service I was expecting to receive the box with the sling and was surprised at what I got instead (in fact, I thought someone had sent me a poster or something). When I first looked at the assembly instructions on the new box, they kind of made my head swim, but it all went together without a hitch. And, most importantly, the TP made it there and back again safely. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 14:22:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01639 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21170; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:12:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20947; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20869; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (slip-32-100-149-65.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.149.65]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA52410; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:11:27 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981208210218.033b1a10@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:02:18 -0800 To: J , ThinkPad Mailing List From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <366D8484.5868A4F2@psynet.net> References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Buyer beware. I've talked to some of these out fints in New York from time to time. If they don't sound right, I don't deal with them. Here are some mail order sources I have dealt with and trust. PC Connection (NH) www.pcconnection.com MircoWarehouse (NJ) www.warehouse.com J & R (NYC) www.jandr.com I just love cliches. Fools rush in where ........... A fool and his money are soon ........ If it sound too good to be true it ......... This space intentionally left .......... Good luck. At 11:56 AM 12/8/98 -0800, J wrote: >Hello All, > >Ok, has anyone had experience with one of these mail-order companies who >regularly advertise in "Laptop buyers guide" mag., and similar >publications? >Eastern computer, Sunshine, Marine Park.....all in NY, phone answered by >gruff, >rude people who are probably part of the "family". > >Eastern said " today, because it is raining (cough hack), the 380x >p233/32mb/4gb/12.1 tft/24xcd is 1199 with 3 year IBM warranty". >ummmmmmm really? > >Scam or real? >suggested questions I should ask? > >james > > > > > ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 15:29:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02836 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26909; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:24:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26471; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.jimani.com (IDENT:lorenzo@[207.66.81.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26435; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by ariel.jimani.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16127 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:23:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:23:51 -0700 (MST) From: Lorenzo Pollock To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: subscribe or please advise me on how to do so... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 15:42:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03046 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26920; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:26:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26688; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.jimani.com (IDENT:lorenzo@[207.66.81.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26612; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by ariel.jimani.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16137 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:25:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:25:42 -0700 (MST) From: Lorenzo Pollock To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EZ Serve Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Please somebody send me the phone number or e-mail address for EZ Serve... I have a failed floppy disk drive still under warrantee... does anybody know if I will have to send the entire computer or just the drive... a replacement drive works fine in my 760XL so I know it is the floppy drive probably being out of alignment. Thnx From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 16:02:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03361 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28596; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28456; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28419; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:43:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981209185806.14849.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.71.238] by send102.yahoomail.com; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:58:06 EST Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:58:06 +1100 (EST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: IBM 235 and "cheap buy possibility) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sir I have some questionns about notebooks .Excuse me,if my questionns are not relevant. 1.In Japan can buy IBM 235(http://kakaku.com/dosvn.htm) What is it ? 2. As you can see(http://kakaku.com/dosvn.htm ) ,the price(100 yen equal some 0.835 $ for Japan manufactored magnesium case notebook(new,not used) in Japan can be better as in USA (Toshiba Portege 3000 have by Otto price 167.800 yen. In USA i ma not found the price better as 1850$ Who have experience ?(I.e. buy notebook in Japan) 3.The possibility to buy notebook by different online auctions -ebay,onsale,surplusauction have some kind of risk and in my case this risk is more ,as i am not USA resident ? Who have experience to buy notebook online ? Can be true new notebook cheaper as by autorized dealer ? I weould very pleased for some kind of info Yours Respectfully Gerus(priwat person) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 9 18:14:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05507 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00592; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:07:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00440; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00426; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19315 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:07:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19306 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:07:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981209154129.00b1e3c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:41:29 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: EZ Serve In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:25 PM 12/9/98 -0700, Lorenzo Pollock wrote: >Please somebody send me the phone number or e-mail address >for EZ Serve... I have a failed floppy disk drive still >under warrantee... does anybody know if I will have to send >the entire computer or just the drive... a replacement drive >works fine in my 760XL so I know it is the floppy drive probably >being out of alignment. > 800.PS2.2227 (800.772.2227) My guess is that they'll ship you out a replacement floppy drive and have you ship them the bad one in return (and bill you if they don't receive the bad one in a timely manner - BTDT). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 00:52:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10726 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21196; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:45:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21095; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21062; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA28613 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:44:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.126]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981209232136.BGGC6533@ibm.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:21:36 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <366F066D.B8E10FAB@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:23:25 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: <366E300E.70D2566B@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The person I spoke with at EZ-Serve claims they are still IBM. Anyway I called to have this problem escalated (after hours) and it was supposedly attached to my case#. But today I got a courtesy call that the thinkpad would arrive before 3pm. It arrived, still broke. Called EZ-Serve again and they keep re-iterating that plastic is not covered under warranty. They don't claim that the thinkpad was abused or anything, just that plastic is not covered ( "It's still functional isn't it" was one response). Evidently the thinkpad can fall apart and its not covered under warranty! I got a phone number to lodge a complaint with IBM, and should here back withing 48 ours or so. The IBM representative was very pleasant and reassureing who tookall the information down. I believe IBM needs to rethink how EZ-Serve handles warranty issues. I'm beginning to think the extra money spent on thinkpads (I used to think their warranty was worth it) may be better spent elsewhere. Bill Morrow wrote: > All y'all, must understand that ez serve has been sold and has not been part > of ibm for a year or more.. > they have the ibm contract for repairs (and probably have other contracts as > well)... > they are a profit making business (the owners hope) and will profit from > chargeable repairs.. > > John Kim wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > Teresa.. > > > start working your way up to a supervisor.. > > > ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > > > > > > the paint thing was an example.. > > > i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > > > > > > they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must > > > have been abused.. > > > > > > be nice, but be insistent..!! > > > > And if all else fails, send the machine in to get warranty > > stuff fixed. Include a note mentioning some of the cosmetic > > problems you'd like fixed. EZ-Serv has called me both times > > I've done this with an outrageous estimate for repair of the > > cosmetic stuff. I told them not to fix it, and got the > > machine back with most of the cosmetic problems fixed anyways > > free of charge. Apparently the folks who actually do the > > repairs are not as anal as the folks in charge of authorizing > > repairs. > > > > -- > > John H. Kim > > kim@stormhaven.org > > -- > Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 01:42:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11434 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19113; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:52:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18980; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18961; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:51:47 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from jps.net (209-239-201-126.oak.jps.net [209.239.201.126]) by smtp1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01460; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:51:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <366F5379.947D6A9A@jps.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:52:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem References: <366DB371.95357B6F@jps.net> <366E2A17.EB577E70@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK I can do that. How do you determine the 43 meg? Bill Morrow wrote: > > Mel.. > i should have set that up for you.. > just use PQ Magic and make a 43meg fat16 partition, then all will be ok.. > you can also disable the hibernate file in the ez setup until you have the > fat16 partition done.. > > Mel Del Gallo wrote: > > > Can someone tellme how to set upa 701C witha 2.1 gig, Win98 and the > > Hibernation/suspend feature. > > > > I've installed the fat32 of win 98 all on one partition but didn't setup > > or get prompted to setup aother fat16 partition. If I need a fat16 > > partition, do I set it up all over (fdisk) from scratch or is there away > > todo itwith something like PartitionIt? > > -- > Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 01:44:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11459 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22688; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22589; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22577; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (46.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.110]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA15902; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366F6DBA.F15ABE80@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:44:10 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teresa Selling CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: <366E300E.70D2566B@icanect.net> <366F066D.B8E10FAB@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The EZ serve operation WAS sold off... over a year ago.. this is a fact.. that could have changed, but i've heard nothing about it... when i had a machine back from a customer in canada and sent it to ex serve, i got the same response about the part of the bottom case over the CD opening on a 755CDV.. i was told that there WAS no supervisor except the smart ass boy i was speaking to and over him was only the head of the PC company.. he refused to completely identify himself and my customer wound up paying about $200 for a bad engineering job on the part of IBM.. IMO..!! SO, just keep at it, be nice, be firm, be rational, have your facts lined up in a row and be persistent.. bad engineering is just that, bad engineering.. if the door is flimsy, it should be covered by warranty, especially if the cost to repair is trivial from the point of view of IBM.. but i think that ez serve operation gets a flat rate, and thus is not inclined to do more than absolutely required, anything else is, and this IS a guess, a profit center.. in the old days, send a machiner in with a failed display (or whatever), get it back with all the cracks patched, a new trackpoint tip, new rubber feet, the worn logo replaced, and anything else in need of help, fixed up.. now, while the service is still WAY ABOVE what you get elsewhere, it is NOT like 3 or so years ago.. Teresa Selling wrote: > The person I spoke with at EZ-Serve claims they are still IBM. Anyway I called > to have this problem escalated (after hours) and it was supposedly attached to > my case#. But today I got a courtesy call that the thinkpad would arrive before > > 3pm. It arrived, still broke. Called EZ-Serve again and they keep re-iterating > > that plastic is not covered under warranty. They don't claim that the thinkpad > was abused or anything, just that plastic is not covered ( "It's still > functional isn't it" > was one response). Evidently the thinkpad can fall apart and its not covered > under > warranty! I got a phone number to lodge a complaint with IBM, and should here > back withing 48 ours or so. The IBM representative was very pleasant and > reassureing who tookall the information down. I believe IBM needs to rethink > how > EZ-Serve handles warranty issues. I'm beginning to think the extra money spent > on thinkpads (I used to think their warranty was worth it) may be better spent > elsewhere. > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > All y'all, must understand that ez serve has been sold and has not been part > > of ibm for a year or more.. > > they have the ibm contract for repairs (and probably have other contracts as > > well)... > > they are a profit making business (the owners hope) and will profit from > > chargeable repairs.. > > > > John Kim wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > Teresa.. > > > > start working your way up to a supervisor.. > > > > ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > > > > > > > > the paint thing was an example.. > > > > i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > > > > > > > > they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must > > > > have been abused.. > > > > > > > > be nice, but be insistent..!! > > > > > > And if all else fails, send the machine in to get warranty > > > stuff fixed. Include a note mentioning some of the cosmetic > > > problems you'd like fixed. EZ-Serv has called me both times > > > I've done this with an outrageous estimate for repair of the > > > cosmetic stuff. I told them not to fix it, and got the > > > machine back with most of the cosmetic problems fixed anyways > > > free of charge. Apparently the folks who actually do the > > > repairs are not as anal as the folks in charge of authorizing > > > repairs. > > > > > > -- > > > John H. Kim > > > kim@stormhaven.org > > > > -- > > Happy Trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > > 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale > > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 03:36:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12458 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01212; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:32:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00807; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00795; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from MelDelGallo (209-239-198-214.oak.jps.net [209.239.198.214]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA09697; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:32:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001be23d4$d14ee4c0$d6c6efd1@MelDelGallo> From: "Mel" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:34:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks - I did just that and it works grrrrrrreat! No problems with fancy keyboard tricks to get it back up after hibernate/suspend. Thanks again Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: delgallo@jps.net Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 4:55 AM Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem >use PQ Magic.. it'll have a size window.. >it'll only let you do 43meg which is closest to the 41meg you need for a >hibernate file if you have 40meg of memory and the 1meg of video memory.. > > >delgallo@jps.net wrote: > >> OK I can do that. How do you determine the 43 meg? >> >> Bill Morrow wrote: >> > >> > Mel.. >> > i should have set that up for you.. >> > just use PQ Magic and make a 43meg fat16 partition, then all will be ok.. >> > you can also disable the hibernate file in the ez setup until you have the >> > fat16 partition done.. >> > >> > Mel Del Gallo wrote: >> > >> > > Can someone tellme how to set upa 701C witha 2.1 gig, Win98 and the >> > > Hibernation/suspend feature. >> > > >> > > I've installed the fat32 of win 98 all on one partition but didn't setup >> > > or get prompted to setup aother fat16 partition. If I need a fat16 >> > > partition, do I set it up all over (fdisk) from scratch or is there away >> > > todo itwith something like PartitionIt? >> > >> > -- >> > Happy Trails... >> > >> > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > >-- >Happy Trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), >770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale >760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), >701C(6.3gig, 40meg), >755CE(no gig, 40meg), >750C(no gig, 4meg), >IBM WorkPad(1meg) > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, >Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 04:40:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA12952 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04281; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:39:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04191; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1.seitz.de (unix1.seitz.de [193.102.72.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04160; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from seitz.de (hostII11.sparkasse-pforzheim.de [194.174.83.43]) by unix1.seitz.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA73B4 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:36:31 +0100 Message-ID: <366F9620.52A860A@seitz.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:36:32 +0100 From: "Adnan Mumbasic" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Suspend problems - solved Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id EAA04281 Hi, in the last 2 month I have many times posted that my thinkpad 770 ed has prolems with suspend. The first problem was after suspending the thinkpad wouldn=B4t resume. I have to reset it. This worked 2 weeks, after this I have to pull out the battery and to reset it many times before it would boot. Then few weeks later after switching off the thinkpad correctly it wouldn=B4t boot the first time, so I had to reset it many times pull out the battery and wait 2 or 3 hours before it could boot. As you can expect after few weeks nothing worked correct, no booting nothing only some blinking and some mysterious sounds. Until this day I thought a computer works or works not, but I learned that a computer simillar to a human can get ill and then more ill until he falls in coma. But IBM had some antibiotica for him, sending him 2 weeks to IBM they replaced the motherborad (for us humans impossible :( ) and the videocard and now all works fine. To all other having such problems (and there were few in this group) send your thinkpad for repair to IBM, don=B4t spend hours in solving the problem, you couldn=B4t solve it. Best regards Adnan Mumbasic From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 08:51:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14472 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16898; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:48:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16688; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16669; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:47:24 -0500 Sender: rbell1NOSPAM@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA27098 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:46:38 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 770 (9548-30U) that has a 4.0GB main hard drive running NT4. I also have several additional hard drives that I use in the UltraBay with the adapter. With the BIOS startup options I can easily choose to boot >from the 2nd HD and therefore launch another O/S. That is, until I encountered NT 5.0 Beta2. Since my main HD is NTFS4, the NT 5 beta, when booted, did a 'seek and destroy' and converted the NTFS4 partition to NTFS5. For any of you who don't know, NTFS5 and NTFS4 are NOT compatible. Hence, my main O/S wouldn't boot. I got my system recovered after several hours of copying files and reformatting. What this means is that I can't boot my NT5 HD without incapacitating my NT4 installation. If I could somehow remove the main HD and boot to the 2nd drive then there would be no chance that NT5 would destroy my NT4 partition. Does anyone know how to set up the 770 to boot the 2nd HD WITHOUT the primary HD installed? When I try this I get an IBM error screen immediately and it does not boot. Is there another BIOS option I don't know about that tells the system not to look for the primary HD? Thanks for any help! Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 09:52:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15008 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20226; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:48:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20102; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from elsoft.ch ([195.134.130.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20052; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from elsoft.ch (pcdm.elsoft.ch [195.134.130.116]) by elsoft.ch (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13827 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: <366FDF16.145FDBED@elsoft.ch> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:47:50 +0100 From: "David Müller" Organization: ELSOFT AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: CPU-upgrade for 760E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Has someone tried to upgrade (replace) the cpu of a 760E to a more "cooler" low-power chip? What package form and voltage(s) does the original cpu have? Thanks -- To err is human; to really foul things up requires a computer. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 10:26:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15353 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22327; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:17:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22212; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22175; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (slip-32-100-148-19.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.148.19]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA47098; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:16:18 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981210064012.0340d918@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:40:12 -0800 To: Bill Morrow , David Goldman From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Cc: J , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <366E2F33.378F6080@icanect.net> References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> <4.1.19981208121700.00aeb680@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:05 AM 12/9/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >> 3) What is your return policy? >> > >here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on an opened box thinkpad.. >period.. >PERHAPS on a closed box, but never on an opened box, since that, like a new car >when you title it, makes 'it' a used car or thinkpad.. >i have made deals on a thinkpad, on approval, but with a fair restocking fee.. > >if you get a dead machine, then IBM will swap it or repair it, free.. > >but there IS NO return for full refund, unless you have special arrangements, >once the box has been opened... > > This is not my experience. I received a damaged ThinkPad 760 from PC Connection. I call immediately and spoke with a courteous customer service representative. PC Connection issued a UPS Call Tag. The system was picked-up at my office. I received a full refund from PC Connection including the shipping charges. ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 11:06:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15817 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25644; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:57:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25491; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25353; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:56:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981210153643.29513.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.160.115] by send1e; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:36:43 PST Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: Ibm235 versus Sony505,Portege 3000/10/15 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sir I need comparative analysis from all points of view - case,keyboard,HDD,mobility ,services & IBM235 versus Japan magnesium case competitor -Sony 505G,F,RX(polysilicon display),Portege 3000/10/15,Panasonic CF-21,22 or alsow Sony PCG-1,Fujitsu-MC8 As you are IBM aficionado's, you can try to defend IBM. Excuse me,if my request is not relevant.I would very pleased for some kind of info Yours Respectfully Gerus see http://www.dynamism.com http://www.jpd.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 11:33:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16220 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27933; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:25:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27762; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27677; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA36695 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:24:57 -0600 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;10 Dec 1998 10:24:19 -0600 Message-ID: <366FFA01.51340794@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:41 -0600 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad list server submit Subject: 755cx Mwave and win95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I got the latest mwave drivers for win 95 from IBM's web site and installed them. Guess I should have checked here to see if the disks were compatible w/my win95 release. because they caused my boot to hang w/only part of 95's desktop loaded. The mwave modem is not recognized now. Anyone know where I can find win95service pak2 update files. they don't seem to be on Microsofts site now that win98 is the primadonna on show! Or should I go back to the disks for win3.1 mwave that don't offer much sound support? Paul S. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 13:25:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17866 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03664; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:15:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03501; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03488; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id NAA20568; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:15:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:14:34 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Bill Morrow , David Goldman Cc: J , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812101314_MC2-6329-3381@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Office Depot give a 14 day *satisfaction* warranty when you buy from them= -- you can use the hardware for that period and if you do not *like* it (not if it is defective) you can return it for a full refund or credit. This applied (for 30 days) when I bought my laser printer and it did not matter that the toner cartridges had been used. That's why I often buy from "box-shifters" -- provided I know more than they do which is often fairly easy Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 14:12:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18539 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24240; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24013; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.206.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23949; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id KAA23178; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:42 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Bill Morrow , Mel Del Gallo Cc: Thinkpad List Message-ID: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22AA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Bill, << just use PQ Magic and make a 43meg fat16 partition, then all will be ok.. >> I have a similar problem on my TP701C where WIN98 signaled a problem, offered to fix it and did so by disabling hibernate. But I don't have FTA32 on my TP701C so any ideas on what to do? Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 14:20:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18595 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24243; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23992; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23950; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id KAA07396; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:41 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Teresa Selling , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22A9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Teresa, In case it helps -- "plastic" is not an absolute exclusion in my experience. When I sent my TP701C in for service to repair the sticky keyboard, they also "repaired" (=3D replaced) the port replicator on which the hook that= secures it in place had broken its "tongue". In this case one could have argued "defective design" but I did not have to. They also replaced a cover over the PCCard housing that I had broken in trying to find out how to remove it You could try defective design for your broken plastic? I don't know the status of EZ-Serve but it is a strange coincidence that Toshiba (wash my mouth out) uses a company in Memphis TN for its warranty= repairs They did mention the name (but I can't remember it) when I w= as exploring the International warranty position for a friend about to buy a= laptop for part time use in the USVI where he keeps his boat. Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 15:19:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19468 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09445; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:12:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09258; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (root@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09192; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from snet-gate.Stanford.EDU (jgo@snet-gate.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.208]) by crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00089; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jgo@localhost) by snet-gate.Stanford.EDU (8.9.0.Beta5/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07552; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: snet-gate.Stanford.EDU: jgo owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: "John G. Olyarchuk" X-Sender: jgo@snet-gate To: John Callahan cc: Bill Morrow , David Goldman , J , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981210064012.0340d918@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, John Callahan wrote: > At 03:05 AM 12/9/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: > >here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on an opened > box thinkpad.. > >period.. > >PERHAPS on a closed box, but never on an opened box, since that, > like a new car > >when you title it, makes 'it' a used car or thinkpad.. > >i have made deals on a thinkpad, on approval, but with a fair > restocking fee.. > >if you get a dead machine, then IBM will swap it or repair it, > free.. > >but there IS NO return for full refund, unless you have special > arrangements, once the box has been opened... > > > > This is not my experience. > > I received a damaged ThinkPad 760 from PC Connection. > > I call immediately and spoke with a courteous customer service > representative. PC Connection issued a UPS Call Tag. > > The system was picked-up at my office. I received a full refund from > PC Connection including the shipping charges. > This sounds more appropriate. I have purchased quite a bit of hardware (no thinkpads, though) and have always returned merchandise that arrives DOA (dead on arrival). I don't see why TPs should be an exception. If I received a dead machine, I would exchange it for another. If the vendor refused, I would immediatly place the issue in dispute with my credit card and have payment suspended. So far, I have never had to do this. PCConnection sounds like a decent operation, judging from this anecdote and several others I have heard. -John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 17:24:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21563 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16514; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:12:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16381; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16368; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (41.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.105]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA27618; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:12:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367047B7.4768776A@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:14:15 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL CC: Mel Del Gallo , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 2.1gig on 701and hibernation problem References: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22AA@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hugh.. next time don't let win98 "fix" the problem it has just discovered.. a big guy with a gun might walk in the door..!! :-) okok.. uhh.. not sure of what win98 is doing.. the hibeernate file is created by the 701's bios, not by eldestructo98.. :-) (its after beer:30 to i have a right to be a bit giddy!) Hugh Wyn Griffith FL wrote: > Bill, > > << just use PQ Magic and make a 43meg fat16 partition, then all will be > ok.. >> > > I have a similar problem on my TP701C where WIN98 signaled a problem, > offered to fix it and did so by disabling hibernate. > > But I don't have FTA32 on my TP701C so any ideas on what to do? > > Hugh Wyn Griffith > Seminole, FL, USA > Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 17:26:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21590 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16313; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16156; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16133; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (41.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.105]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA26127; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:09:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:10:47 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob.. thats easy.. go into ez setup, select the boot device options and change it there.. or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) Rob Bell wrote: > I have a 770 (9548-30U) that has a 4.0GB main hard drive running NT4. I > also have several additional hard drives that I use in the UltraBay with > the adapter. With the BIOS startup options I can easily choose to boot > from the 2nd HD and therefore launch another O/S. That is, until I > encountered NT 5.0 Beta2. Since my main HD is NTFS4, the NT 5 beta, > when booted, did a 'seek and destroy' and converted the NTFS4 partition > to NTFS5. For any of you who don't know, NTFS5 and NTFS4 are NOT > compatible. Hence, my main O/S wouldn't boot. I got my system > recovered after several hours of copying files and reformatting. > > What this means is that I can't boot my NT5 HD without incapacitating my > NT4 installation. If I could somehow remove the main HD and boot to the > 2nd drive then there would be no chance that NT5 would destroy my NT4 > partition. Does anyone know how to set up the 770 to boot the 2nd HD > WITHOUT the primary HD installed? When I try this I get an IBM error > screen immediately and it does not boot. Is there another BIOS option I > don't know about that tells the system not to look for the primary HD? > > Thanks for any help! > > Rob > > ----------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob.bell@nospam@csc.com > ----------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 17:33:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21731 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17628; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:30:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17545; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17528; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (41.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.105]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA03748; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:28:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36704B82.9F9C02DC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:30:26 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adnan Mumbasic CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Suspend problems - solved References: <366F9620.52A860A@seitz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id RAA17628 Thanks for the update.. the answer was, in short, HARDWARE.. :-) thats the trouble with win9x and all this complexity.. on some occasions = its difficult to sort out hardware from software or both.. Adnan Mumbasic wrote: > Hi, > > in the last 2 month I have many times posted that my thinkpad 770 ed ha= s > prolems with suspend. > The first problem was after suspending the thinkpad wouldn=B4t resume. = I > have to reset it. This worked 2 weeks, after this I have to pull out th= e > battery and to reset it many times before it would boot. > Then few weeks later after switching off the thinkpad correctly it > wouldn=B4t boot the first time, so I had to reset it many times pull ou= t > the battery and wait 2 or 3 hours before it could boot. > As you can expect after few weeks nothing worked correct, no booting > nothing only some blinking and some mysterious sounds. > > Until this day I thought a computer works or works not, but I learned > that a computer simillar to a human can get ill and then more ill until > he falls in coma. > > But IBM had some antibiotica for him, sending him 2 weeks to IBM they > replaced the motherborad (for us humans impossible :( ) and the > videocard and now all works fine. > > To all other having such problems (and there were few in this group) > send your thinkpad for repair to IBM, don=B4t spend hours in solving th= e > problem, you couldn=B4t solve it. > > Best regards > > Adnan Mumbasic -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 17:35:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21775 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17416; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:27:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17279; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17265; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (41.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.105]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA02656; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:26:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36704AE0.E3AB19B0@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:27:44 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan CC: David Goldman , J , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <199812022231_MC2-6244-7F8E@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.19981204082039.00b6f370@pop.mindspring.com> <4.1.19981208121700.00aeb680@shell9.ba.best.com> <3.0.3.32.19981210064012.0340d918@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: damage is one thing, but some vendors have an agreement with most manufacturers that the mfg. will replace a doa machine.. i have received about 60 or 70 thinkpads over 4 or so years and only had one doa, and it was not doa, it had way too many bad pixels.. and i suppose i should have said: "here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on a working opened box thinkpad.." ALSO, since i get some new thinkpads from direct vendors and some from my distributor, they will all do more to keep me a happy customer, and thus would be likely to take back a product.. but open box means trouble unless it is a DOA.. John Callahan wrote: > At 03:05 AM 12/9/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: > >> 3) What is your return policy? > >> > > > >here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on an opened > box thinkpad.. > >period.. > >PERHAPS on a closed box, but never on an opened box, since that, > like a new car > >when you title it, makes 'it' a used car or thinkpad.. > >i have made deals on a thinkpad, on approval, but with a fair > restocking fee.. > > > >if you get a dead machine, then IBM will swap it or repair it, > free.. > > > >but there IS NO return for full refund, unless you have special > arrangements, > >once the box has been opened... > > > > > > This is not my experience. > > I received a damaged ThinkPad 760 from PC Connection. > > I call immediately and spoke with a courteous customer service > representative. PC Connection issued a UPS Call Tag. > > The system was picked-up at my office. I received a full refund from > PC Connection including the shipping charges. > > ----- > John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research > Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 > Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA > Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--For Sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 10 23:01:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25572 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00719; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:57:38 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00579; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id WAA10378 for dist-thinkpad; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02012; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg134-200.ricochet.net [204.179.134.200]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27324; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005b01be2464$ddb7c390$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: You have two options (don't panic!): 1. Install Service Pack 4 on the main NT4 drive, which seems to have been converted to NTFS5 format. The SP will install an updated NTFS.SYS file that can use NTFS 5. This will fix 600 other minor bugs in NT4. It may also toast your NT4 setup. Backup is STRONGLY advised! 2. Grab the NTFS.SYS file from NT5 B2 and replace the older file on the main NT4 drive. This is sanctioned by MSFT and probably cleaner, if you are otherwise happy with NT 4 SP3. This should fix you up. This is a FAQ and you should be able to find more info about this in the NT5 B2 release notes. Also you should look at the NTBeta web site for more up to date release notes that were finished after the B2 CD's were cut. David -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 5:49 AM Subject: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs >I have a 770 (9548-30U) that has a 4.0GB main hard drive running NT4. I >also have several additional hard drives that I use in the UltraBay with >the adapter. With the BIOS startup options I can easily choose to boot >from the 2nd HD and therefore launch another O/S. That is, until I >encountered NT 5.0 Beta2. Since my main HD is NTFS4, the NT 5 beta, >when booted, did a 'seek and destroy' and converted the NTFS4 partition >to NTFS5. For any of you who don't know, NTFS5 and NTFS4 are NOT >compatible. Hence, my main O/S wouldn't boot. I got my system >recovered after several hours of copying files and reformatting. > >What this means is that I can't boot my NT5 HD without incapacitating my >NT4 installation. If I could somehow remove the main HD and boot to the >2nd drive then there would be no chance that NT5 would destroy my NT4 >partition. Does anyone know how to set up the 770 to boot the 2nd HD >WITHOUT the primary HD installed? When I try this I get an IBM error >screen immediately and it does not boot. Is there another BIOS option I >don't know about that tells the system not to look for the primary HD? > >Thanks for any help! > >Rob > >----------------------------------------- >Rob Bell >Senior Consultant, CPD Professional >CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN >rob.bell@nospam@csc.com >----------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 08:57:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00448 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29549; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:52:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29317; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29266; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:49:00 -0500 Sender: rbell1NOSPAM@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA14422; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:48:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367122CB.BBD93819@csc.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:48:59 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill. However, neither option seems to be viable for me. When the main HD is removed (rear bay, left side) the PC boots immediately to a DOS-type error 'I9990301' which changes quickly to the 'insert floppy and press a key' graphic. If I just press a key again then it tries booting and gives 'I9990301' and 'I9990305'. When I look in EZ-Setup for disk related options I only find them under 'Startup' (well, Test too...). I already have the startup options set to boot only from the 2nd HD in the UltraBay which has an boot configuration menu that launches NT on my main drive or Win98 on the 2nd HD. Having the startup options set this way does not disable the main HD. When NT5 boots it still 'upgrades' my NTFS4 partition to NTFS5 for me. Maybe you're referring to some other setting in the BIOS that I can't find?? Thanks, Rob Bill Morrow wrote: > > Rob.. > thats easy.. > go into ez setup, select the boot device options and change it there.. > > or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) > ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 09:00:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00474 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29787; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:58:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29678; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29663; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:57:13 -0500 Sender: rbell1NOSPAM@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA15451; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:56:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36712492.97CDFEDE@csc.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:56:34 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <005b01be2464$ddb7c390$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the info, David. I did a lot of research into NT5 when the problem first happened and found that info too. Both of the solutions seem to have big drawbacks though. Either will allow my NT4 O/S to boot and read/write to the (old) NTFS4 partition but, from what I've read, many utility-type programs will still not work. I'm referring to CHKDSK and 3rd-party defragmenting tools, etc. Since my NT4 setup is my main work environment I'm not willing to have it be touched by the NT5 beta (because it auto-updates to NTFS5). These issues are understandable with any beta, and I've resigned myself to the fact that I can't play around with NT5 on this system. I was just hoping someone knew how I could boot the 770 without my main HD installed so I could still play without NT5 upgrading my NTFS4. Thanks again, Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- "David W. Taylor" wrote: > > You have two options (don't panic!): > > 1. Install Service Pack 4 on the main NT4 drive, which seems to have been > converted to NTFS5 format. The SP will install an updated NTFS.SYS file > that can use NTFS 5. This will fix 600 other minor bugs in NT4. It may also > toast your NT4 setup. Backup is STRONGLY advised! > > 2. Grab the NTFS.SYS file from NT5 B2 and replace the older file on the > main NT4 drive. This is sanctioned by MSFT and probably cleaner, if you are > otherwise happy with NT 4 SP3. > > This should fix you up. > > This is a FAQ and you should be able to find more info about this in the NT5 > B2 release notes. Also you should look at the NTBeta web site for more up to > date release notes that were finished after the B2 CD's were cut. > > David > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 09:40:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00809 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02396; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:38:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02275; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02254; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id HAA24206; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:38:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:38:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812111438.HAA24206@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! List-Unsubscribe: I am going to buy Thinkpads for the rest of my life. I'm in love. :) My Thinkpad 600E came back about 10 min ago. I reinstalled my hard drive, and all the things I took out of the system prior to shipping to EZServe. They replaced the LCD, and gave me a system BIOS update. The TFT has absolutely NO BAD PIXELS AT ALL. I am ecstatic. Here's what I learned from this experience: a) Always strip out your system as much as possible. It didn't phase them a single bit that I did this, and I was skeptical at first, but I think I understand why. b) Spend the time to completely indicate your problem. In my case, with bad pixels, I marked off the pixels with reinforcements, and put post-it note annotations next to each one. c) Before you ship, write down the tracking number on the Airbill. This is for your peace of mind... you can track it to death on Airborne's web site, and know exactly when they get it. c) Don't call the Memphis repair center until after 12:00p Eastern (11:00a in Memphis). They don't key in all the entries until then, and won't be able to accurately tell you whether they even got your system until then. c) Call back at around 4:00p-5:00p eastern. You can try before then, but chances are you'll be disappointed when they say "we received your unit but it hasn't seen a technician yet". Just relax. d) The Thinkpad list is most excellent... the advice here has been fantastic, and the end result is that I now have a perfect Thinkpad. Well, thanks again to all! -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 10:02:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01007 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03784; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03621; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03489; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:56:29 -0500 Sender: rbell1NOSPAM@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id JAA26503 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36713281.1CFFC68C@csc.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:56:01 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT4 SP4 Provides Improved Power Management? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if NT SP4 provides an improved HAL to allow NT to shut off a ThinkPad (770) when doing a Windows shutdown? Under SP3, NT causes the ThinkPad reboot instead of shutting off if the 'PowerdownAfterShutdown' option is set. Just curious... Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 11:06:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01601 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08026; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:58:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07896; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com (arl-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.217.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07884; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id KAA12756; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:57:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:57:13 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: "Albert C. Lee" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812111057_MC2-634B-C7FE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Albert, Way to go! Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 11:13:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01702 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08683; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:05:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08529; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08495; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA18419 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:04:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:04:16 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! My wife just phoned to tell me that my ThinkPad 770ED has arrived! It is my understanding that this ThinkPad uses the Mwave DSP for its modem functions. Now, I don't want to say anything bad about Mwave, but I *did* choose to purchase a Megahertz modem for my 755CE. I could use some help in figuring out what Ethernet and/or modem card to get for the new ThinkPad. Since I'm keeping my 755CE, I want to leave the Megahertz Modem / Ethernet card with it. That means that I need at least an Ethernet PCMCIA card. If I am going to find the Mwave in the 770ED to be very much like the one in the 755CE, I would like to learn that now, so I can buy another combo modem/Ethernet card, rather than winding up with two cards. While I am open to other suggestions, I have been favorably impressed with the reliability and service related to my previous two Megahertz purchases. At this time, I do not seem to have any need of 100 Mbps Ethernet, though I am not opposed to products that have that additional capability, as long as it does not require too much compromise or additional expense. Looking at current MHz product at Computer Discount Warehouse, I find several options. There is Ethernet only, and modem / Ethernet combos. Of the Ethernet only, there is one with an XJack and one or two that take the dongle adapter cables. Of the modem / Ethernet combos, there are some that have XJack for modem and dongles for Ethernet, and some with dongles for both. I did not see one with XJack for both modem and Ethernet. I *like* my XJack modem connection. I have the 10 Mbps dongles that came with my current MHz card, both 10Base2 and 10BaseT. I don't think I've ever used the coax dongle, so figure I am unlikely to need to do so. If I did, would my existing one be compatible with the new cards? I have a Nokia 6160 wireless phone. Theoretically, it can be attached to certain MHz modem cards, using a special cable. That would tend to imply that if I want to make such connections, I want to make sure to avoid XJack, and go with the dongle modem connection, even though I like XJack. But, since I've wanted to make such a connection maybe once in the past five years, I would guess that it is probably not worth it. I suppose the big question is, "How is the 770ED Mwave modem implementation? How is it's V.90 support? Does it give high speed V.90 connections on good lines? Is it solid or flakey? Does it eat away at main memory?". Hmm, maybe that's more than one question! Anyway, would I be happier spending an extra $100-150 to get V.90 modem capabilities in my PCMCIA Ethernet card? Also, as best I can tell from what I've read, the 770ED uses the PCMCIA or PC Card style of interface (I think that's a 16 bit interface?), and not the newer and faster CardBus interface (32 bit?). Is this correct? Thanks much for any help or advice! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnFCbmasl5Jijs7SEQI5ZgCeO+oFYy6+aMAR8FS8wVMG/NrB67kAn0eX g6zkM5oyD+AC/bJqlvUcYmDx =bGP+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 11:55:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02318 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11513; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11400; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (hil-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.177.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11328; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id LAA04036; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:44:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:44:23 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Ron Heiby , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812111144_MC2-634B-A20B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Ron, X-Jack vs dongle? I prefer the dongle as much less fragile -- nonsense about losing it -- y= ou tape it to the phone cable More important -- the TP390 I'm helping set up says you may not be able t= o use the microphone socket on it if you have an X-Jack. Since TP's come with Smartsuite and ViaVoice ........ FWIW PS Just about to order a Megahertz. BTW Mobile Planet prices seem very much in line with the other mail order= houses eg Megathertz at $209 and I reckon they know laptops better. Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 12:02:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02402 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12024; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:53:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11918; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11842; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1jp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.121]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05460 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:53:24 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 In-Reply-To: <199812111438.HAA24206@cavecreations.com> List-Unsubscribe: You are one lucky dude! The turnaround was unusually good, I think. I've had that experience of a one day turnaround, but not on my recent EZServe experience (Spring 1998). Your presentation of the bad pixels was a great idea. I sent my 770 in for repair some time ago and tried to get them to look at an odd spot I have on my screen. I described the problem and location, but they did not repair or replace the screen. They fixed the other problems, though, and gave me a new trackpoint button as well. William Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Albert C. Lee [mailto:alee@cavecreations.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:38 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! I am going to buy Thinkpads for the rest of my life. I'm in love. :) My Thinkpad 600E came back about 10 min ago. I reinstalled my hard drive, and all the things I took out of the system prior to shipping to EZServe. They replaced the LCD, and gave me a system BIOS update. The TFT has absolutely NO BAD PIXELS AT ALL. I am ecstatic. Here's what I learned from this experience: a) Always strip out your system as much as possible. It didn't phase them a single bit that I did this, and I was skeptical at first, but I think I understand why. b) Spend the time to completely indicate your problem. In my case, with bad pixels, I marked off the pixels with reinforcements, and put post-it note annotations next to each one. c) Before you ship, write down the tracking number on the Airbill. This is for your peace of mind... you can track it to death on Airborne's web site, and know exactly when they get it. c) Don't call the Memphis repair center until after 12:00p Eastern (11:00a in Memphis). They don't key in all the entries until then, and won't be able to accurately tell you whether they even got your system until then. c) Call back at around 4:00p-5:00p eastern. You can try before then, but chances are you'll be disappointed when they say "we received your unit but it hasn't seen a technician yet". Just relax. d) The Thinkpad list is most excellent... the advice here has been fantastic, and the end result is that I now have a perfect Thinkpad. Well, thanks again to all! -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 12:24:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02744 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13248; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:09:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13072; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13044; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id KAA17284; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:08:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:08:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812111708.KAA17284@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: warmstrong@waldinc.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! List-Unsubscribe: > Your presentation of the bad pixels was a great idea. Actually I didn't come up with that... I think it was Bill Morrow that suggested it to me. I owe it to the list though. I'm AM a lucky guy though. :) Couldn't have asked for a better Friday. The screen actually seems a little brighter too... looking at the IBM site, I see that the 13.3" screens come from 3 different sources... Hitachi, LG and DBU. Could the quality be different? And maybe the quality controL? The screen also looks a little different when the machine is off. Seems like they gave me a totally different panel make. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 12:47:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03054 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14962; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14835; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14818; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1gq.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.26]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08559 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> List-Unsubscribe: I like the XIRCOM PC cards. Great company. Their dongle for the Ethernet + Modem card is really well designed, although it is a little bulky, rubs the CD tray when the tray slides out, and slightly blocks the internal modem RJ11 jack on the 770. XIRCOM has a newer PC card design (forget the name of it) that sticks straight out of the PC slot and has both connectors on it, plus a celluar connection. This design looks really good, but requires giving up the second PC slot when their card is in. -Bill William Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Heiby [mailto:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:04 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! My wife just phoned to tell me that my ThinkPad 770ED has arrived! It is my understanding that this ThinkPad uses the Mwave DSP for its modem functions. Now, I don't want to say anything bad about Mwave, but I *did* choose to purchase a Megahertz modem for my 755CE. I could use some help in figuring out what Ethernet and/or modem card to get for the new ThinkPad. Since I'm keeping my 755CE, I want to leave the Megahertz Modem / Ethernet card with it. That means that I need at least an Ethernet PCMCIA card. If I am going to find the Mwave in the 770ED to be very much like the one in the 755CE, I would like to learn that now, so I can buy another combo modem/Ethernet card, rather than winding up with two cards. While I am open to other suggestions, I have been favorably impressed with the reliability and service related to my previous two Megahertz purchases. At this time, I do not seem to have any need of 100 Mbps Ethernet, though I am not opposed to products that have that additional capability, as long as it does not require too much compromise or additional expense. Looking at current MHz product at Computer Discount Warehouse, I find several options. There is Ethernet only, and modem / Ethernet combos. Of the Ethernet only, there is one with an XJack and one or two that take the dongle adapter cables. Of the modem / Ethernet combos, there are some that have XJack for modem and dongles for Ethernet, and some with dongles for both. I did not see one with XJack for both modem and Ethernet. I *like* my XJack modem connection. I have the 10 Mbps dongles that came with my current MHz card, both 10Base2 and 10BaseT. I don't think I've ever used the coax dongle, so figure I am unlikely to need to do so. If I did, would my existing one be compatible with the new cards? I have a Nokia 6160 wireless phone. Theoretically, it can be attached to certain MHz modem cards, using a special cable. That would tend to imply that if I want to make such connections, I want to make sure to avoid XJack, and go with the dongle modem connection, even though I like XJack. But, since I've wanted to make such a connection maybe once in the past five years, I would guess that it is probably not worth it. I suppose the big question is, "How is the 770ED Mwave modem implementation? How is it's V.90 support? Does it give high speed V.90 connections on good lines? Is it solid or flakey? Does it eat away at main memory?". Hmm, maybe that's more than one question! Anyway, would I be happier spending an extra $100-150 to get V.90 modem capabilities in my PCMCIA Ethernet card? Also, as best I can tell from what I've read, the 770ED uses the PCMCIA or PC Card style of interface (I think that's a 16 bit interface?), and not the newer and faster CardBus interface (32 bit?). Is this correct? Thanks much for any help or advice! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnFCbmasl5Jijs7SEQI5ZgCeO+oFYy6+aMAR8FS8wVMG/NrB67kAn0eX g6zkM5oyD+AC/bJqlvUcYmDx =bGP+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 12:53:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03124 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15439; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:44:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15326; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15309; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial6.vramp.net (dial6.vramp.net [209.107.20.21]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14429 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111743.MAA14429@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:39:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 11 Dec 98, at 10:04, Ron Heiby wrote: > I have a Nokia 6160 wireless phone. Theoretically, it can be attached to > certain MHz modem cards, using a special cable. That would tend to imply > that if I want to make such connections, I want to make sure to avoid > XJack, and go with the dongle modem connection, even though I like XJack. One doesn't preclude the other. My Mhz XJ4288 has both XJack and cellphone connectors. I frequently use it with my MicroTac and it's great to have the option available. All of the newer (56K) Mhz cards that offer cell connectivity have both connectors also. As to your Ethernet card choices, their numbers are legion and amongst the "brand name" units, one is as good as another. We have an installed base of approx. 50 of the Xircom 10/100 cards and have not yet had a failure, but YMMV. As to "all in one" combination ethernet/modem cards, I view them like the old Akai tape decks that ran open reel - 8 track cartridge - cassette all in one unit. Nice for copying tapes, but when one function died, you lost all the functions while it was in the shop. I like to keep the ethernet/modem functions separate as it's a LOT cheaper to replace a single unit if one or the other goes south. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 13:36:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03722 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17645; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:14:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17361; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17346; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id LAA00437; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:14:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:14:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812111814.LAA00437@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E back with ZERO bad pixels! List-Unsubscribe: Oops! Credit where credit due... thank you Randal for the great idea for marking bad pixels! -Al > At 10:08 AM 12/11/98 -0700, you wrote: > >> Your presentation of the bad pixels was a great idea. > > > >Actually I didn't come up with that... I think it was Bill Morrow > >that suggested it to me. I owe it to the list though. > > He he...well, I don't mind if you send the credit to Bill. ;-) -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 15:06:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04909 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24342; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24140; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ariel.jimani.com (IDENT:lorenzo@[207.66.81.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24123; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by ariel.jimani.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22389; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:01:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:01:12 -0700 (MST) From: Lorenzo Pollock To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have used a lot of PCMCIA modem cards, and the various Xircom cards have been the best because the lasted the longest and operated the most rapidly... gave me the fewest problems... next were the Megaherz because of their various configurations for cell phones and networks... The poorest performing modems for me have always been the Thinkpad Mwave modems which seem to have more problems with various ISP portmasters and the like. The more recent 3-Com cards have been ok, but haven't matched up to the above cards. > I like the XIRCOM PC cards. Great company. Their dongle for the Ethernet + > Modem card is really well designed, although it is a little bulky, rubs the > CD tray when the tray slides out, and slightly blocks the internal modem > RJ11 jack on the 770. XIRCOM has a newer PC card design (forget the name of > it) that sticks straight out of the PC slot and has both connectors on it, > plus a celluar connection. This design looks really good, but requires > giving up the second PC slot when their card is in. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 15:12:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05019 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24586; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24474; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24457; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial1.vramp.net (dial1.vramp.net [209.107.20.16]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23191 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812112003.PAA23191@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:59:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NT4 SP4 Provides Improved Power Management? Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <36713281.1CFFC68C@csc.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 11 Dec 98, at 8:56, Rob Bell wrote: > Does anyone know if NT SP4 provides an improved HAL to allow NT to shut > off a ThinkPad (770) when doing a Windows shutdown? Under SP3, NT causes > the ThinkPad reboot instead of shutting off if the > 'PowerdownAfterShutdown' option is set. My 600 does under NT4, if that's any help to you. I would think that it would on the 770 also. My 760XL does under Win98 as do all of my 75X series units under Win95. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 17:03:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06415 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01240; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:49:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01122; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01107; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:48:37 -0500 Sender: rbell1NOSPAM@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id QAA25189; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36719307.6C5443FF@csc.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:47:51 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> <367122CB.BBD93819@csc.com> <36718EA4.4EF9B7E1@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I have several extra HDs that I use in the UltraBay. A couple are IBM drives (OEM from 755 and 760 models: 810MB, 1.2GB) and one is a Simple Technology 2.1GB. They are all 755/760 style drives that I load into the IBM UltraBay hard drive caddy (the snap-in/out plastic case). I have Win98, Linux, and NT5 Beta2 on these extra drives. I didn't buy any of them from you (but you did originally help me figure out that such a caddy existed about 8 months ago!). All of the extra hard drives boot fine from the UltraBay when the BIOS is set to boot from HD #2 first and the main TP770 HD is in the ThinkPad. My problem is that the 770 refuses to boot from the 2nd HD if the main 770 HD isn't in the PC. If the BIOS says to boot from HD #2 then I don't understand why it would care if HD #1 is installed or not?? Thanks for following up... Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@csc.com ----------------------------------------- "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" wrote: > > Rob.. > did you get that HDD from me..?? > if its not a true blue TP HDD, or if it is not configuered right, it MAY > have a problem booting from the ultrabay.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 18:11:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07236 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29852; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:28:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29695; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29680; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (10.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.74]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA16155; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36718EA4.4EF9B7E1@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:29:08 -0500 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> <367122CB.BBD93819@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob.. did you get that HDD from me..?? if its not a true blue TP HDD, or if it is not configuered right, it MAY have a problem booting from the ultrabay.. Rob Bell wrote: > > Thanks Bill. However, neither option seems to be viable for me. > > When the main HD is removed (rear bay, left side) the PC boots > immediately to a DOS-type error 'I9990301' which changes quickly to the > 'insert floppy and press a key' graphic. If I just press a key again > then it tries booting and gives 'I9990301' and 'I9990305'. > > When I look in EZ-Setup for disk related options I only find them under > 'Startup' (well, Test too...). I already have the startup options set > to boot only from the 2nd HD in the UltraBay which has an boot > configuration menu that launches NT on my main drive or Win98 on the 2nd > HD. Having the startup options set this way does not disable the main > HD. When NT5 boots it still 'upgrades' my NTFS4 partition to NTFS5 for > me. Maybe you're referring to some other setting in the BIOS that I > can't find?? > > Thanks, > Rob > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Rob.. > > thats easy.. > > go into ez setup, select the boot device options and change it there.. > > > > or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob.bell@nospam@csc.com > ----------------------------------------- -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 260meg), 770ED-5AU(8.1gig)<--for sale 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.4gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver, Do not try this at home, Don't spit into the wind AND, GoodNIGHT, Mrs. Calabash, whereEVER you are... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 19:01:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08083 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06581; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:58:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06473; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from monarch.sover.net (monarch.sover.net [209.198.87.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06455; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr4a42.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.42]) by monarch.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA05760 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812120001.TAA05760@monarch.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on monarch.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr4a42.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.42] 207.136.203.42 Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:25:30 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: The price of the TP600 266 mhz is starting to get reasonable. It looks like the big difference between it and the 300 mhz model is the 34 mhz and 1.1 gig of drive space. Are there any other issues like longer battery life or things I should consider that would make the 300 mhz model worth $800 more? Thanks for your thoughts. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 19:14:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08203 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07302; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:12:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07179; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07167; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id RAA09856; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:11:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:11:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812120011.RAA09856@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: letoured@sover.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? List-Unsubscribe: Depends on the system you're coming from. I came from a P90 Toshiba, and a P166 desktop, so I probably wouldn't have noticed the 34 mhz at all. The 300 does suck a little more battery, and I think I would have gone with the 266 except the 600E added AGP video, 256 bit graphics, with 1024x768 24bpp resolution, and a DVD drive. The gee-whiz features that you can't live without :). With $800 more though, you could buy an awful lot of RAM. That'd more than make up for the initial performance slack between the 266 and 300. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 19:23:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08286 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07927; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:21:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07845; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (root@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07827; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from warre.Stanford.EDU (jgo@warre.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.125]) by crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27027; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgo@localhost) by warre.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03063; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:20:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:20:47 -0800 (PST) From: "John G. Olyarchuk" Sender: jgo@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU To: "Albert C. Lee" cc: letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? In-Reply-To: <199812120011.RAA09856@cavecreations.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I had read that the 300 draws less current that the 266 due to improved (thinner) fabrication. When Intel went from 166 to 233 in the Pentium, the current was significantly less. -john On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Albert C. Lee wrote: > all. The 300 does suck a little more battery, and I think I would From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 20:48:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09142 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11062; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:40:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10933; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10920; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29305; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:36:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be256f$c7d90a00$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> List-Unsubscribe: There's an easy way to accomplish what you want. Somebody may have suggested this already (I get the daily digest of the ThinkPad list), but in case they haven't... Get System Commander and install it onto your main hard drive. Let it set up a boot menu for your NT4 on the main drive and the NT5 (or other OS) on the second drive. Go into System Commander's setup and edit the "local options" for the NT5 boot. There is a section there where you can tell it to show or hide the other partitions when that OS boots. Make sure this is set to HIDE the partition on the main hard drive. Then you can boot NT5 and it won't see the main partition at all. You may need a FAT partition on the main drive to install System Commander onto. If you've got a hibernate partition with a megabyte free, that should do. System Commander is at www.v-com.com. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V > I have a 770 (9548-30U) that has a 4.0GB main hard drive running NT4. I > also have several additional hard drives that I use in the UltraBay with > the adapter. With the BIOS startup options I can easily choose to boot > from the 2nd HD and therefore launch another O/S. That is, until I > encountered NT 5.0 Beta2. Since my main HD is NTFS4, the NT 5 beta, > when booted, did a 'seek and destroy' and converted the NTFS4 partition > to NTFS5. For any of you who don't know, NTFS5 and NTFS4 are NOT > compatible. Hence, my main O/S wouldn't boot. I got my system > recovered after several hours of copying files and reformatting. > > What this means is that I can't boot my NT5 HD without incapacitating my > NT4 installation. If I could somehow remove the main HD and boot to the > 2nd drive then there would be no chance that NT5 would destroy my NT4 > partition. Does anyone know how to set up the 770 to boot the 2nd HD > WITHOUT the primary HD installed? When I try this I get an IBM error > screen immediately and it does not boot. Is there another BIOS option I > don't know about that tells the system not to look for the primary HD? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 21:05:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09283 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11922; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:58:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11838; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from nfs1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11818; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1.bctel.ca with SMTP id RAA24065 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: Subject: RE: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be2572$e92ea400$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22A9@compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: I just called EasyServ (that is what it's called in my user's reference--is EZ-Serve a new name?) to get two items on my Thinkpad 600 repaired: the left speaker, which is a little flaky, and paint that's coming off the palmrest. They were very courteous, and gave me no indication that there would be any charges incurred. Of course, I am using EasyServ in Canada, so if, as Bill mentioned, EasyServ in the U.S. has been sold but not in Canada, that might make a difference. Anyhow, I'm waiting for the box to arrive, and will let the list know how it goes. They say it'll take 4-5 days to swap out the entire top panel. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 21:11:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09319 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12600; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:09:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12493; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12411; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-94.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA07522; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:08:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981211211126.006bdf30@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:11:26 -0500 To: Ron Heiby , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:04 AM 12/11/98 -0600, Ron Heiby wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi! My wife just phoned to tell me that my ThinkPad 770ED has arrived! > >It is my understanding that this ThinkPad uses the Mwave DSP for its modem >functions. Now, I don't want to say anything bad about Mwave, but I *did* >choose to purchase a Megahertz modem for my 755CE. I have several 755ce's, 770's and 77ed's on deployment here for consultants. I personally use a 770 and a 770ED (Getting to replace with 770x, cause I'm the boss and I'm greedy and materialistic ). The 755ce modem wasn't the greatest thing on the earth, but was ok in a pinch. The 770 modems have worked pretty much flawlessly and with no perceptible degredation of system performance. I am very happy with their execution, which I can't really say for the 755ce (which is why it uses a 33.6k Motorola). > >I could use some help in figuring out what Ethernet and/or modem card to get >for the new ThinkPad. Skip the modem card. As for ethernet, I've had great success with the 3Com 3c574-tx series (now disco'ed and remarketed under the Megahertz brand), Xircom IIps and 3c589 series. >While I am open to other suggestions, I have been favorably impressed with the >reliability and service related to my previous two Megahertz purchases. Ditto. Go with 3Com/USR/Megahertz. I've usually stayed with their products and have usually had great success. >At this time, I do not seem to have any need of 100 Mbps Ethernet, though I am >not opposed to products that have that additional capability, as long as it >does not require too much compromise or additional expense. >one with XJack for both modem and Ethernet. I *like* my XJack modem >connection. In the realms of 3com, it depends on dongle vs. Xjack. I like both, but the ease of Xjack technology is a plus. I leave the cards in the machine and never worry about dongles, cables or removing them. I've had *0* usage breakdowns based upon the Xjack. I had one client step on a consultants connector, and, well, um, that was all she wrote. :) >I have the 10 Mbps dongles that came with my current MHz card, both 10Base2 >and 10BaseT. I don't think I've ever used the coax dongle, so figure I am >unlikely to need to do so. If I did, would my existing one be compatible with >the new cards? I rarely run across co-axial cabling anymore. >I have a Nokia 6160 wireless phone. Theoretically, it can be attached to >certain MHz modem cards, using a special cable. That would tend to imply that >if I want to make such connections, I want to make sure to avoid XJack, and go >with the dongle modem connection, even though I like XJack. But, since I've >wanted to make such a connection maybe once in the past five years, I would >guess that it is probably not worth it. I know some of the older, cellular ready Xjack cards had a adapter port along side the Xjack in case you needed to have a cellular connect. They might still be available. >I suppose the big question is, "How is the 770ED Mwave modem implementation? >How is it's V.90 support? Does it give high speed V.90 connections on good >lines? Is it solid or flakey? Does it eat away at main memory?". Hmm, maybe >that's more than one question! Anyway, would I be happier spending an extra >$100-150 to get V.90 modem capabilities in my PCMCIA Ethernet card? I've had zero problems with X2 connections with consistent 44k+ connects consistently. I haven't really had a chance to test the V.90 connections yet. >Also, as best I can tell from what I've read, the 770ED uses the PCMCIA or PC >Card style of interface (I think that's a 16 bit interface?), and not the >newer and faster CardBus interface (32 bit?). Is this correct? I am sure the 770 series uses 32-bit cardbus technology which is also backwards compatible with 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) technology. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 21:21:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09426 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13265; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:20:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13161; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13148; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10819 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:20:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367080F8.DD49551D@ipass.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:18:32 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: <000101be2572$e92ea400$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For reasons known only to IBM-Canada, IBM-Canada sort of goes it's own way alot. For instance there are IBM stores in Canada and no where else Chris Haun Ryan Hung wrote: > Of course, I am using EasyServ in Canada, so if, as Bill > mentioned, EasyServ in the U.S. has been sold but not in Canada, that might > make a difference. > > Ryan. > > _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ > \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ > _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 11 21:32:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09530 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13848; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:29:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13748; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nfs1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13732; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1.bctel.ca with SMTP id SAA17807; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Ron Heiby" , Subject: RE: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:28:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be2577$21705b20$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> List-Unsubscribe: Well, if you do choose X-Jack, just be sure that it's not interfering with your other PCMCIA slot if you need to use it. I got the 3Com 10/100Base-T Ethernet Card with X-Jack, and while it's not a bad connector (and the card works fine), it does completely block access to the other PCMCIA slot no matter whether I put it on the top or bottom. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Heiby [mailto:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 8:04 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi! My wife just phoned to tell me that my ThinkPad 770ED has arrived! > > It is my understanding that this ThinkPad uses the Mwave DSP for its modem > functions. Now, I don't want to say anything bad about Mwave, but I *did* > choose to purchase a Megahertz modem for my 755CE. > > I could use some help in figuring out what Ethernet and/or modem > card to get > for the new ThinkPad. > > Since I'm keeping my 755CE, I want to leave the Megahertz Modem / Ethernet > card with it. That means that I need at least an Ethernet PCMCIA > card. If I am > going to find the Mwave in the 770ED to be very much like the one in the > 755CE, I would like to learn that now, so I can buy another combo > modem/Ethernet card, rather than winding up with two cards. > > While I am open to other suggestions, I have been favorably > impressed with the > reliability and service related to my previous two Megahertz purchases. > > At this time, I do not seem to have any need of 100 Mbps > Ethernet, though I am > not opposed to products that have that additional capability, as > long as it > does not require too much compromise or additional expense. > > Looking at current MHz product at Computer Discount Warehouse, I > find several > options. There is Ethernet only, and modem / Ethernet combos. Of > the Ethernet > only, there is one with an XJack and one or two that take the > dongle adapter > cables. Of the modem / Ethernet combos, there are some that have XJack for > modem and dongles for Ethernet, and some with dongles for both. I > did not see > one with XJack for both modem and Ethernet. I *like* my XJack modem > connection. > > I have the 10 Mbps dongles that came with my current MHz card, > both 10Base2 > and 10BaseT. I don't think I've ever used the coax dongle, so figure I am > unlikely to need to do so. If I did, would my existing one be > compatible with > the new cards? > > I have a Nokia 6160 wireless phone. Theoretically, it can be attached to > certain MHz modem cards, using a special cable. That would tend > to imply that > if I want to make such connections, I want to make sure to avoid > XJack, and go > with the dongle modem connection, even though I like XJack. But, > since I've > wanted to make such a connection maybe once in the past five > years, I would > guess that it is probably not worth it. > > I suppose the big question is, "How is the 770ED Mwave modem > implementation? > How is it's V.90 support? Does it give high speed V.90 connections on good > lines? Is it solid or flakey? Does it eat away at main memory?". > Hmm, maybe > that's more than one question! Anyway, would I be happier > spending an extra > $100-150 to get V.90 modem capabilities in my PCMCIA Ethernet card? > > Also, as best I can tell from what I've read, the 770ED uses the > PCMCIA or PC > Card style of interface (I think that's a 16 bit interface?), and not the > newer and faster CardBus interface (32 bit?). Is this correct? > > Thanks much for any help or advice! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNnFCbmasl5Jijs7SEQI5ZgCeO+oFYy6+aMAR8FS8wVMG/NrB67kAn0eX > g6zkM5oyD+AC/bJqlvUcYmDx > =bGP+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 02:51:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12673 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22472; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22313; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22280; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA12730; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:49:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212014850.00830100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:48:50 -0600 To: "Ryan Hung" From: Ron Heiby Subject: RE: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000301be2577$21705b20$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 06:28 PM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >Well, if you do choose X-Jack, just be sure that it's not >interfering with your other PCMCIA slot if you need to use it. Thanks for the note! That's good advice. I have had trouble every now and then on the 755CE with my XJack MHz modem and using it with my SCSI PCMCIA card. With the 770ED, I don't expect that to be an issue, as the 8.1 Gig hard drive should be plenty for some time, the internal DVD drive means I don't need SCSI to talk to my CD-ROM changer, and my flatbed scanner isn't very portable. :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnIf1Gasl5Jijs7SEQKSWgCeIGdtHqMO3h+cowqFH7GUmXxaA1sAnA7z plyWsL7BUL7iSj2OoPBwCtKE =DKq9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 02:51:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12675 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22475; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22296; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22272; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA12721; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:49:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212013532.0085b7e0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:35:32 -0600 To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3671915B.5DD58539@icanect.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the quick response, Bill. A quick look at the used IRQs may have convinced me that I want to disable the Mwave modem! Adding the Ethernet will almost certainly require an IRQ, right? At least it does on the 755CE. On that system, the single modem / Ethernet card share a single interrupt. It would be nice to have enough free IRQs after modem and Ethernet to enable both the serial port and USB, in addition to the IR port. As it turns out, I have a few days to make up my mind on all this. The system arrived, and the screen looks beautiful. But, it crapped out while doing a Win95 disk scan. Plus, it fails its self tests (system board about half the attempts, and memory all attempts). Pulling the 32Meg RAM out didn't help the memory test, which means that the problem is with the system board or the memory on it, I suppose. ThinkPad support told me nothing I didn't already know about my problem. But, they did tell me a couple of things I didn't know about my TP 770ED. I had purchased it from onsale.com, knowing that it was a refurbished unit. What I didn't know was that (according to the guy I spoke with at support), the particular model number was not intended for US sale. However, despite this, and the fact that onsale.com is not an authorized IBM reseller, IBM will stand behind the 1 yr refurb warranty. However, they won't do so until they get a copy of my invoice FAXed to them and come back to work after the weekend. So, it appears that the earliest I can send it to EasyServe is Monday. I asked the support guy about how to upgrade my warranty to on-site. He said that IBM never did on-site service on ThinkPads. I informed him that I had purchased such an option for my 755CE, and needed to make use of the service a few times. He said he know nothing about it. So, it looks like I have to go hunting through IBM 800-numbers again, until I find someone willing to take my money to upgrade my warranty. sigh. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnIcuWasl5Jijs7SEQIMoQCfWeVRDiY4vG90G/XC0c4OziAsy9AAn0M3 lL9n9Tfp/oHYQPOFZUurXONV =9aRK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 02:56:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12722 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23102; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:55:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22987; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22974; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-062.usc.edu [128.125.224.62]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA27714; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:55:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981211234825.00a8ae00@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:54:43 -0800 To: , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? In-Reply-To: <199812120001.TAA05760@monarch.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:25 PM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >The price of the TP600 266 mhz is starting to get reasonable. It looks >like the big difference between it and the 300 mhz model is the 34 mhz and >1.1 gig of drive space. > >Are there any other issues like longer battery life or things I should >consider that would make the 300 mhz model worth $800 more? I faced a similar question, only it was a few months ago, between the PII 233 vs. 266 MHz models, the lower one having a 3.2 GB HD vs. a 4 GB. Price difference? I don't remember exactly, but I seem to remember it being somewhat similar...around $800 or so. It doesn't take a genious to figure out that the same chip class means the 266 was about 10% faster than the 233, so I figured that was overblown to worry about. And the larger HD? I wanted it, no question--but I wanted *larger* than 4 GB and that wasn't available. So I just saved $800 and got the 233. No regrets. And I recently upgraded the HD--not to a mere 4 GB, but to 6 GB--much more in the way of what I wanted. So now I have a *bigger* HD, a spare HD (I guess I can go get that HD tray for the ultrabay now...), and a machine only about 10% slower than the 266 I could have had, and *still* have spent less money than I originally would have. Nope--no regrets. If you have money to burn, by all means enjoy, but I'm quite happy with the decision I made. So I'm stuck with a little slower CPU--big deal. Compared to the 300 MHz chips now coming out in the 600's, I'd feel just as left behind with a 266 in my laptop--and even worse a few more months from now when they're putting 400 MHz chips in 'em then. We're all going to get left behind in short order anyway, so I figured I need not pay an extreme premium for a miniscule performance gain. My ego doesn't need it that bad. --- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "It is hard to convince a high-school student that he will encounter a lot of problems more difficult than those of algebra and geometry," -- Edgar W. Howe in "Country Town Sayings", 1911. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 10:53:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16521 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10243; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09964; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09929; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09704; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:49:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121549.HAA09704@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Teresa Selling" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 07:53:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:58:03 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >Teresa.. >start working your way up to a supervisor.. >ez serve has been known to become difficult before.. > >the paint thing was an example.. >i had to fight to get the paint covered under warranty.. > >they kept insisting that the paint was perfect and that the machine must >have been abused.. > >be nice, but be insistent..!! I had to go to an IBM company manager to get my machine repaired under warranty. Now it works just fine! Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 10:53:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16516 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10241; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09876; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09862; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09660; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:48:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121548.HAA09660@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "H Doan" , "John Callahan" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 07:52:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Service turn-arounds? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:23:36 -0800, John Callahan wrote: >My experience is 48 hours or less. > I got my machine back about 1.5 weeks. Got the keyboard, speaker, and display case on my 701 fixed. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 10:54:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16531 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10649; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:51:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10157; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10140; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09796; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:50:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121550.HAA09796@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris" , "cornelius-halvey@smh.com" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 07:55:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: 701C and NT 4.0 Video Question List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:56:27 -0500, cornelius-halvey@smh.com wrote: > Rich, > > I installed NT4.0 on a 701C a couple of years ago. The 701C is > actually "certified hardware" according to Microsoft. The > appropriated drivers are on the NT disk. You'll also find sound > drivers somewhere on it, too. Speaking of NT and the 701, can the Home & Away card be used whatsoever on the 701 under NT? Or should I try to get a replacement cable for my 3COM card? Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 10:57:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16554 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11289; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10928; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10834; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id IAA02109; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:54:52 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:54:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812121554.IAA02109@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 600E and Xircom Realport 10/100+56k List-Unsubscribe: Well, I finally got CardWizard 4.1 working for my NT 4 running on Thinkpad 600E, and I'm still having a problem with my machine... My Xircom Realport (16-bit) won't survive a hibernate/resume. The device never wakes up. If I cold boot, it wakes up just fine. Anybody have any luck with this? Also, someone mentioned the Thinkpad 600's ability to shutoff the system after a NT4 shutdown. Where is this setting in NT4? Linux handles my RealPort hibernate/resume just fine, and also shuts off the system after a halt command, so it's not the system. Ideas? -Al BTW... my CardWizard 4.1 problem was really really stupid. I never gave the system enough time to initialize the card. Apparently, after installation, it took about 5 min for the card to initialize. Being impatient I assumed the software was busted. After this first initialization, the card is recognized in about 10-15 seconds. -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 10:58:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16564 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11455; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10990; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10955; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09985; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:54:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121554.HAA09985@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "J" , "John Callahan" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 07:59:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? List-Unsubscribe: I forgot which company I got my Pentax PocketJet from, but the guy wanted me to buy a color Citizen printer, and was somewhat rude. In fact, $75 for overnight shipping was a rip off (although the printer was $100 cheaper than elsewhere). Good thing I didn't buy the color printer, because the reviews on it were bad. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 11:01:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16597 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12139; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:59:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11977; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11943; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA10172; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:59:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121559.HAA10172@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 08:03:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Laptop in transit to EZ-Serve List-Unsubscribe: Maybe the new box is cheaper. I thought I heard somewhere that it's like $15-30 for each old box! Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 11:06:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16659 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12622; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:04:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12463; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12450; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10345; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121602.IAA10345@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "John Callahan" Cc: "David Goldman" , "J" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 08:06:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:27:44 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >damage is one thing, but some vendors have an agreement with most >manufacturers that the mfg. will replace a doa machine.. >i have received about 60 or 70 thinkpads over 4 or so years and only had >one doa, and it was not doa, it had way too many bad pixels.. > >and i suppose i should have said: >"here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on a working opened > >box thinkpad.." > Hmmm... I think our store takes back open box notebooks, including a 365 that we have in DND (damaged and defective). They just take it to DND and wait to ship it back to the mfg. Our manager seems to just want to make customers happy. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 11:10:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16694 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13090; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:06:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12845; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12823; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p26.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.89]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10412; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:03:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812121603.IAA10412@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "David Goldman" , "Hugh Wyn Griffith FL" Cc: "J" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 08:07:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:14:34 -0500, Hugh Wyn Griffith FL wrote: > >Bill, > >Office Depot give a 14 day *satisfaction* warranty when you buy from them >-- you can use the hardware for that period and if you do not *like* it >(not if it is defective) you can return it for a full refund or credit. > >This applied (for 30 days) when I bought my laser printer and it did not >matter that the toner cartridges had been used. > >That's why I often buy from "box-shifters" -- provided I know more than >they do which is often fairly easy Except at Office Max where I work, I know more than most of my co-workers in certain subjects (especially notebooks) who've been there much longer. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 13:02:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17690 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16686; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:00:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16525; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cwb.hk.super.net (cwb.hk.super.net [202.14.67.92]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16512; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from kwaifong.hk.super.net (root@kwaifong.hk.super.net [202.14.67.7]) by cwb.hk.super.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07984; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:00:04 +0800 (HKT) Received: from hobbes (1Cust112.tnt31.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.255.86.112]) by kwaifong.hk.super.net with SMTP id CAA17491; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:00:01 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <003601be25f9$3c66b140$d513f103@hobbes> From: "William Hay" To: , Subject: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I've just traded my 600/233 for a 600/300 at work. The speed difference isn't really that noticeable (bus speed or disk constrained?) -- my son's Dell 400 desktop is about three times faster than either. Battery life is about the same -- 3 hrs 10-20 min -- even though the 300 is supposed to draw 0.1 volt less power. Disk size (5.1 GB) is the main advantage. Watch out for RAM, though -- you can't use your 233/266 RAM in the 300 (grr). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: December 12, 1998 6.25 am Subject: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? >The price of the TP600 266 mhz is starting to get reasonable. It looks >like the big difference between it and the 300 mhz model is the 34 mhz and >1.1 gig of drive space. > >Are there any other issues like longer battery life or things I should >consider that would make the 300 mhz model worth $800 more? > >Thanks for your thoughts. > >_____________ >letoured@sover.net > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 13:24:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17918 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17822; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17716; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17696; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg134-200.ricochet.net [204.179.134.200]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18454; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013301be25fc$64587e60$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:22:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >From: Randal Whittle > I faced a similar question, only it was a few months ago, between the PII >233 vs. 266 MHz models, the lower one having a 3.2 GB HD vs. a 4 GB. > > So I just saved $800 and got the 233. No regrets. And I recently >upgraded the HD--not to a mere 4 GB, but to 6 GB--much more in the way of >what I wanted. So now I have a *bigger* HD, a spare HD (I guess I can go >get that HD tray for the ultrabay now...), and a machine only about 10% >slower than the 266 I could have had, and *still* have spent less money >than I originally would have. My own TP 600 story is IDENTICAL to Randal's. The only thing to add is that I did get the UltraSlimBay HD tray for $28 from Hardware Street. It works exactly as advertised. My main regret is that the TP600/PII233 models came with a CD-ROM drive instead of a DVD-ROM drive but they are also available. Given that the DVD movie playback is not available under Windows NT, I guess that I will wait until mid-99 and splurge on a 400mHz unit with an even bigger screen/HD/DVD. Just for grins, my unit has two bad pixels: one permanently dark and one that seems to prefer light blue. They are several inches apart. The useful life of a laptop that you use to generate $$$ seems to be around a year these days! David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 12 17:26:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19949 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25568; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:24:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25408; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net (smtp0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25396; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm600e by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust111.tnt14.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.172.111]) id QQftmn22081 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:24:21 GMT Message-ID: <199812121721280675.000FA1C5@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.04 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:21:28 -0500 From: "Michael Mahoney" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E with NT4 and SP4 List-Unsubscribe: Has anybody had any luck getting sp4 to work with the nt on a 600E? Thanks Michael Mahoney mahoneym@pop.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 01:46:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24292 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07589; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:43:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07381; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07369; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA09379; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:43:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36736294.F8545F78@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:45:40 -0500 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <366FD0BE.D3C9E96C@csc.com> <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> <367122CB.BBD93819@csc.com> <36718EA4.4EF9B7E1@icanect.net> <36719307.6C5443FF@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: too many unknown quantities.. which HDD's, what shells..?? not sure of the compatibility of 755 type HDD's in 755 HDD shells in a 770.. not made for it.. the simple is, well.. i just don't care for simple technology.. AND, its tough remembering to remove the nospam from you e-mail address.. :-) Rob Bell wrote: > > Bill, > > I have several extra HDs that I use in the UltraBay. A couple are IBM > drives (OEM from 755 and 760 models: 810MB, 1.2GB) and one is a Simple > Technology 2.1GB. They are all 755/760 style drives that I load into > the IBM UltraBay hard drive caddy (the snap-in/out plastic case). I > have Win98, Linux, and NT5 Beta2 on these extra drives. I didn't buy > any of them from you (but you did originally help me figure out that > such a caddy existed about 8 months ago!). > > All of the extra hard drives boot fine from the UltraBay when the BIOS > is set to boot from HD #2 first and the main TP770 HD is in the > ThinkPad. My problem is that the 770 refuses to boot from the 2nd HD if > the main 770 HD isn't in the PC. If the BIOS says to boot from HD #2 > then I don't understand why it would care if HD #1 is installed or not?? > > Thanks for following up... > > Rob > > ----------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob.bell@csc.com > ----------------------------------------- > > "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" wrote: > > > > Rob.. > > did you get that HDD from me..?? > > if its not a true blue TP HDD, or if it is not configuered right, it MAY > > have a problem booting from the ultrabay.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 260meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.4gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver, Do not try this at home, Don't spit into the wind AND, GoodNIGHT, Mrs. Calabash, whereEVER you are... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 01:52:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24317 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08041; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:50:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07907; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07888; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10630; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3673640D.8A3B0312@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:51:57 -0500 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! References: <000101be2572$e92ea400$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ryan... i don't know if ez-serve in canada is the same or not.. the whole sale thing is supposed to be transparent to the customer.. the paint thing is something that took some arguing initially (and a bit of inside help) to get resolved on some 770-1AU machines.. if they give an argument about the paint, refer them to the USA operation where it should be well known now.. Ryan Hung wrote: > > I just called EasyServ (that is what it's called in my user's reference--is > EZ-Serve a new name?) to get two items on my Thinkpad 600 repaired: the left > speaker, which is a little flaky, and paint that's coming off the palmrest. > They were very courteous, and gave me no indication that there would be any > charges incurred. Of course, I am using EasyServ in Canada, so if, as Bill > mentioned, EasyServ in the U.S. has been sold but not in Canada, that might > make a difference. Anyhow, I'm waiting for the box to arrive, and will let > the list know how it goes. They say it'll take 4-5 days to swap out the > entire top panel. > > Ryan. > > _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ > \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ > _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 260meg), 701C(6.4gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver, Do not try this at home, Don't spit into the wind AND, GoodNIGHT, Mrs. Calabash, whereEVER you are... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 02:00:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24539 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08612; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08529; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08517; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA12283; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:58:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3673662B.1FE1E1A4@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:00:59 -0500 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED Imminent! Modem? Ethernet? References: <3.0.5.32.19981211100416.007ba8f0@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19981212013532.0085b7e0@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ron, Ron Heiby wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for the quick response, Bill. A quick look at the used IRQs may have > convinced me that I want to disable the Mwave modem! Adding the Ethernet will > almost certainly require an IRQ, right? At least it does on the 755CE. On that > system, the single modem / Ethernet card share a single interrupt. It would be > nice to have enough free IRQs after modem and Ethernet to enable both the > serial port and USB, in addition to the IR port. wishful thinking.. :-) > > As it turns out, I have a few days to make up my mind on all this. The system > arrived, and the screen looks beautiful. But, it crapped out while doing a > Win95 disk scan. Plus, it fails its self tests (system board about half the > attempts, and memory all attempts). Pulling the 32Meg RAM out didn't help the > memory test, which means that the problem is with the system board or the > memory on it, I suppose. oh, oh.. > > ThinkPad support told me nothing I didn't already know about my problem. But, > they did tell me a couple of things I didn't know about my TP 770ED. I had > purchased it from onsale.com, knowing that it was a refurbished unit. What I > didn't know was that (according to the guy I spoke with at support), the > particular model number was not intended for US sale. However, despite this, > and the fact that onsale.com is not an authorized IBM reseller, IBM will stand > behind the 1 yr refurb warranty. However, they won't do so until they get a > copy of my invoice FAXed to them and come back to work after the weekend. So, > it appears that the earliest I can send it to EasyServe is Monday. > > I asked the support guy about how to upgrade my warranty to on-site. He said > that IBM never did on-site service on ThinkPads. I informed him that I had > purchased such an option for my 755CE, and needed to make use of the service a > few times. He said he know nothing about it. So, it looks like I have to go > hunting through IBM 800-numbers again, until I find someone willing to take my > money to upgrade my warranty. sigh. onsite for a TP may not be available any longer.. good hunting.. bad about the 770X crapping out, where was it made..?? japan of mexico..?? (look on the label on the carton or the bottom of the machine) the mexican operation is supposed to turn out a better product because there are more engineers in the plant per 100 workers than in japan.. i don't entirely agree with this, so i gather info when i can.. all the 770X machines i have seen were made in japan.. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNnIcuWasl5Jijs7SEQIMoQCfWeVRDiY4vG90G/XC0c4OziAsy9AAn0M3 > lL9n9Tfp/oHYQPOFZUurXONV > =9aRK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 260meg), 701C(6.4gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver, Do not try this at home, Don't spit into the wind AND, GoodNIGHT, Mrs. Calabash, whereEVER you are... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 02:04:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24569 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09199; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:03:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09071; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09057; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA12970; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:02:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36736700.BA9909AF@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:04:32 -0500 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: John Callahan , David Goldman , J , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Sketchy Mail Order? References: <199812121602.IAA10345@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: what about a machine with a dozen bad pixels.. ?? under the replace level but more than the "i can't stand it" level..??? Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:27:44 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >damage is one thing, but some vendors have an agreement with most > >manufacturers that the mfg. will replace a doa machine.. > >i have received about 60 or 70 thinkpads over 4 or so years and only had > >one doa, and it was not doa, it had way too many bad pixels.. > > > >and i suppose i should have said: > >"here, i must comment..NO reseller will take a return on a working opened > > > >box thinkpad.." > > > Hmmm... I think our store takes back open box notebooks, including a 365 that we have in > DND (damaged and defective). > > They just take it to DND and wait to ship it back to the mfg. Our manager seems to just want to make > customers happy. > > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, > Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 260meg), 701C(6.4gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver, Do not try this at home, Don't spit into the wind AND, GoodNIGHT, Mrs. Calabash, whereEVER you are... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 09:05:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27151 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22991; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:03:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22823; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22811; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:03:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:03:44 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OT: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? In-Reply-To: <013301be25fc$64587e60$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > The useful life of a laptop that you use to generate $$$ seems to be around > a year these days! That does depend on the OS you run :-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist) Regards, Christoph Eyrich -- eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 09:27:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27268 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23635; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:26:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23473; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23461; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lou (user-38ldhcc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.140]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23044 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981213062140.00a10850@mindspring.com> X-Sender: lou1358@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:21:40 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: FS:TP 380ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: 6 months left on the warranty. 166 MMX with 12.1" Active Matrix Screen, very bright and clear, no dead pixels 3.1 g hd, 20 x CD ROM drive . Megathertz V.90 modem, 48 MB RAM Deluxe Carrying Case Windows 95 LiON Battery with charger $1500 + Shipping OBO NO TRADES! Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 12:25:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28243 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27447; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:22:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27243; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27231; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg134-200.ricochet.net [204.179.134.200]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12712; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:22:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <020701be26bd$1a23a290$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , Subject: Re: Re: Diff between 600 266 vs. 300 mhz? Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:22:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I don't understand. In general no matter what software you choose to run, the hardware improvements alone will result in enough improved productivity to justify the expense. Applications run faster on a faster system no matter what OS is in use. David > From: Christoph Eyrich > >On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > >> The useful life of a laptop that you use to generate $$$ seems to be around >> a year these days! > >That does depend on the OS you run :-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist) > >Regards, > >Christoph Eyrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 12:30:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28276 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27912; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:29:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27826; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.jps.net (smtp2.jps.net [209.63.224.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27794; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jps.net (209-239-198-232.oak.jps.net [209.239.198.232]) by smtp2.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27116 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:32:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3688A11A.85D04CDF@jps.net> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:30:03 +0000 From: Mel Del Gallo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 missing screws on the front edge where the latch catches the base, I've found a list of parts on the IBM website but I could only find T6 and hese are lot smaller. Does anyone know what size they are, where I could get some and the driver? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 12:36:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28318 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28643; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28337; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28317; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26889; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3672A8CF.7CE0D71C@ipass.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:33:03 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Mahoney CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E with NT4 and SP4 References: <199812121721280675.000FA1C5@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It went on with out a hitch. What problem are you having? Chris Haun Michael Mahoney wrote: > > Has anybody had any luck getting sp4 to work with the nt on a 600E? > > Thanks > > Michael Mahoney > mahoneym@pop.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 12:36:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28324 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28682; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28369; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.netlinq.nl (www.netlinq.nl [195.109.135.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28328; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from netlinq.nl (adsl-145-99-66-99.snelnet.nl [145.99.66.99]) by www.netlinq.nl (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09919; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3673FADF.CDFD5B72@netlinq.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:35:27 +0100 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List CC: ruby.lestari@vanderbilt.edu Subject: 770X - first impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I got my 770X last Tuesday. It's a PII 300 with 8 Gb HD, 128 Mb RAM, 13.7" 1280*1024 screen, DVD and Windows 98. Screen I was used to a 14.1" 1024*768 screen on my Digital Hinote Ultra 2000. The SXGA took a little time to get used to, but when I now look at my old Hinote I do appreciate (and will soon not be able to live without) the extra .5 million pixels... I use the small font settings of 98, so I'm thankful to have good eyesight. I have zero bad pixels, which makes me happy too! Performance... ...is excellent, a big improvement compared to the 233 Mhz Hinote. The 3D of the graphics card could be better though. I'm very glad with the harddisk, which is speedy and above all twice the size I was used to.. Other features The keyboard is better than my desktop keyboard. I love the Trackpoint (been using a Touchpad for too long). Audio quality is the best I've heard from a laptop, both in line-out and internal speakers. By the way, there were some remarks about places where the 770 is manufactured. Mine is actually made by IBM UK in Greenock, Scotland..... Future plans I've only used the DVD as a CD-ROM so far, but I'll be testing some movies soon. I'll be getting the enhanced video adapter 'somewhere in December', so I'll be able to grab and output video and better DVD performance. When I've got some time to spare I'll be installing NT and/or Linux as well. I'm also considering a docking station to use PCI cards and SCSI. Jeroen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 12:43:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28377 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29524; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29359; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29335; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1gd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.13]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02313 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: Re: 380ED Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Dear Lou, IMHO, $1400 is a bit steep for 380ED. 770's with 200 and 233mhz CPU's are going for that much and even less. These have a three-year warranty so most will have 11/2 to 2 years left. -Bill William Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN warmstrong@waldinc.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 14:10:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28985 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09444; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:07:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09208; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09196; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp701 (p42.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.105]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA24315; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812131907.LAA24315@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mel Del Gallo" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 98 11:12:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c List-Unsubscribe: Somebody told me you might be able to get a screwdriver that small from Sears, but I've been so busy (and now sick), that I haven't been able to check it out. I think IBM also has their own screwdriver set. Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 15:19:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29529 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17367; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:16:25 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17159; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA14723 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (root@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19893; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from snet-gate.Stanford.EDU (jgo@snet-gate.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.208]) by crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20318 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jgo@localhost) by snet-gate.Stanford.EDU (8.9.0.Beta5/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11590 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: snet-gate.Stanford.EDU: jgo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: "John G. Olyarchuk" X-Sender: jgo@snet-gate To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: caveat about minor cosmetic damage In-Reply-To: <199812111814.LAA00437@cavecreations.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Following on the thread about receiving damaged merchandise... I once bought a Tektronix dye-sub printer (back when they cost >$15K). It arrived with some barely noticeable cosmetic flaws, not something you would normally fuss over. Nevertheless, I made an inquiry, and the serial number revealed that it had been used as a demo machine. I had it replaced. I hate to be paranoid, but you have to wonder why any new shrink-wrapped machine should have scratches, broken doors, bent pins, etc. -John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 15:24:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29570 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17618; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:17:36 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17384; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA14775 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04981; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial6.vramp.net (dial6.vramp.net [209.107.20.21]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06252 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812111521.KAA06252@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:16:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <367046E7.6CDCB77C@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: FF00,0000,0000On 10 Dec 98, at 17:10, Bill Morrow wrote in reply to Rob Bell: FF00,0000,0000> go into ez setup, select the boot device options and change it there.. Sorry Oh Wise One, but it won't work. NT5 will reconfigure the NT4 drive to NTFS5 and as Rob has stated, this is a major no-no. FF00,0000,0000> or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) 0000,0000,0000This is the only way I have found to safely do this, at least on my 760XL, and I strongly suggest that Rob do this also. Regards, JamesFF00,0000,0000 James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 15:38:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29711 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19201; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:37:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19117; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19104; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-010.usc.edu [128.125.225.10]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA13769 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981213123136.00a86670@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:37:04 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Decided to Donate the TP 560... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Well, I've taken a look at my upcoming tax situation and have decided that it would be in my best interest to go ahead and donate my ThinkPad 560 (non-working--sort of) rather than attempt repairs on it. Sooo...I'm taking bids/suggestions. I know there were some of you who e-mailed me this before, so I'll ask you again--I'd like to take a donation value of $1,000 for the laptop. If your charitable organization can grant me the $1,000 value for donation of it (and provide me with the appropriate receipt), please contact me. The item is a ThinkPad 560, P-120, 8 MB RAM, 12.1" TFT. Has two problems: HD crashed and TFT does not appear to work (backlight comes on, no apparent physical damage--probably fixable). In all other respects, it works fine--before the HD crashed, it worked fine hooked up to an external monitor. Has working battery, A/C adapter/charger, and can include some misc. repair parts for it (the little doors & etc. that easily break off--I had a couple break and kept spare parts on-hand for when they'd break in the future). Who will grant me the tax-deductable gift value of $1,000? Please reply privately. :-) ------ Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 15:49:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29805 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19830; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:48:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19735; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from fandango.wizardry.com (IDENT:belew@[198.140.159.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19722; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from belew@localhost) by fandango.wizardry.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA30509; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:47:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:47:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199812132047.MAA30509@fandango.wizardry.com> From: John Belew To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP600E} new subscriber intro: running Linux, Win-NT, DOS List-Unsubscribe: Hardware: IBM Thinkpad 600E 192M RAM 6.4G disk DVD drive external floppy 3com 3c589d PCMCIA network card Multitech MT5634ZLX pcmcia modem Software: triple boot, using Win-NT boot manager, with disk partitioned as: partition#1 32M DOS partition#2 3.2G Win-NT 4.0 server partition#3 127M swap for Linux partition#4 ~2.7G RedHat 5.2 Linux preferred OS: Linux Status: Didn't even try to get MWAVE modem running (disabled it). Multitech MT5634ZLX pcmcia modem not yet recognized under Linux (works under Win-NT). Studying the problem. Haven't tried yet to get suspend/hibernation working under Linux (assume isn't possible under Win-NT). Haven't tried yet to get sound working under Linux. Don't remember if sound works under Win-NT. Disabled IRDA & USB ports, w/expectation that there's no support currently under Linux or Win-NT. -- < John Belew > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 17:14:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00593 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22409; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:12:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22303; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net (smtp0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22291; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm600e by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust6.tnt14.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.172.6]) id QQftqe19049; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:12:42 GMT Message-ID: <199812131709480887.00309718@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> In-Reply-To: <3672A8CF.7CE0D71C@ipass.net> References: <199812121721280675.000FA1C5@mail77195.smtpserver.pop.net> <3672A8CF.7CE0D71C@ipass.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.04 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:09:48 -0500 From: "Michael Mahoney" To: skrim@ipass.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E with NT4 and SP4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Chris, When I installed it the video driver acted like it was trying to start= twice and create a conflict with itself. The event viewer showed a= conflict, however there was non. I called IBM but they had no solution. I= was using the latest Video driver off the web page. I wonder why you didn't have the same problem? Thanks *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/12/98, at 12:33 PM, Chris wrote: >It went on with out a hitch. >What problem are you having? > >Chris Haun > >Michael Mahoney wrote: >> >> Has anybody had any luck getting sp4 to work with the nt on a 600E? >> >> Thanks >> >> Michael Mahoney >> mahoneym@pop.net Michael Mahoney mahoneym@pop.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 17:51:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00883 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23675; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:49:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23561; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.netlinq.nl (www.netlinq.nl [195.109.135.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23549; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from netlinq.nl (adsl-145-99-66-99.snelnet.nl [145.99.66.99]) by www.netlinq.nl (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA30653 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:50:22 +0100 Message-ID: <367444B8.2CCBF301@netlinq.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:50:32 +0100 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: backpack for 770? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm looking for a new backpack for my laptop. I've got a 770X and go to work everyday by bike. I sometimes travel by planes, trains and automobiles as well. The ones I liked when browsing the web are: Kensington Saddlebag http://www.kensington.com/products/cases/sadlbag.html Jansport Transit http://www.jansport.com/main/catalog/displaypage.pl?pack=43644&keyword1=&keyword2=laptop Explore Adventure Sports/Spire Zoom Special Edition http://www.spireusa.com/ezoom.htm Tenba Backpak http://www.tenba.com/computer/backpack.htm Targus Convertible Backpac Case http://www.targus.com/products/ccb1.htm Respect LapPak http://www.respectus.com/c-lappak.html Lapsack http://www.lapsack.com/ The Lapsack and Spire Zoom look pretty versatile and durable but will be difficult to find in a local shop here in The Netherlands. The Kensington, Jansport en Targus will be available locally. I think the Kensington Saddlebag is a good choice, but if any of you out there can recommend me a specific Backpack for my 770 I would be very grateful. Regards, Jeroen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 18:23:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01213 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24812; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:18:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24697; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24685; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1gq.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.26]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07553 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: backpack for 770? Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:18:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <367444B8.2CCBF301@netlinq.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TENBA computer briefcase with a backpack harness. It's a great case. I like that it has a shoulder strap as well. It does not have a waist or chest strap. It has a padded removable slipcase for the laptop (770). The slipcase is not quite deep enough, but otherwise it works really well. Be careful with your selection the 770 is bigger than most laptops and will not fit in most cases. -Bill William Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeroen Elfferich [mailto:jeroen@netlinq.nl] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 5:51 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: backpack for 770? Hi, I'm looking for a new backpack for my laptop. I've got a 770X and go to work everyday by bike. I sometimes travel by planes, trains and automobiles as well. The ones I liked when browsing the web are: Kensington Saddlebag http://www.kensington.com/products/cases/sadlbag.html Jansport Transit http://www.jansport.com/main/catalog/displaypage.pl?pack=43644&keyword1=&key word2=laptop Explore Adventure Sports/Spire Zoom Special Edition http://www.spireusa.com/ezoom.htm Tenba Backpak http://www.tenba.com/computer/backpack.htm Targus Convertible Backpac Case http://www.targus.com/products/ccb1.htm Respect LapPak http://www.respectus.com/c-lappak.html Lapsack http://www.lapsack.com/ The Lapsack and Spire Zoom look pretty versatile and durable but will be difficult to find in a local shop here in The Netherlands. The Kensington, Jansport en Targus will be available locally. I think the Kensington Saddlebag is a good choice, but if any of you out there can recommend me a specific Backpack for my 770 I would be very grateful. Regards, Jeroen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 19:03:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01581 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26409; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:02:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26322; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26305; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial14.vramp.net (dial14.vramp.net [209.107.20.29]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA26313; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:02:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812140002.TAA26313@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Decided to Donate the TP 560... Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: Randal Whittle Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19981213123136.00a86670@rcf.usc.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: Randy, On 13 Dec 98, at 12:37, Randal Whittle wrote: FF00,0000,0000> Sooo...I'm taking bids/suggestions. I know there were some of you who > e-mailed me this before, so I'll ask you again--I'd like to take a > donation value of $1,000 for the laptop. If your charitable organization > can grant me the $1,000 value for donation of it (and provide me with the > appropriate receipt), please contact me. As I had mentioned before, it's not the job of the organization that receives the unit to value the donation. What you are asking for is specifically excluded by IRS regulations. Any 501 (c) (3) non-profit could lose their status if they were to comply with your request. It is YOUR job to determine the value the unit may have based on your individual situation (business owned, personally owned?) and to be able to document this value if the need should arise. I suggest a search of the eBay completed auctions by maker and type to document what similar units are selling for. Print out a couple of weeks worth and file them in with your tax records. This meets the requirement for documentation mentioned above. We would be very happy to receive this unit and would immediately send you a letter of acceptance identifying it right down to the serial numbers, but we will not make any statement as to the value of the unit. We can't. Let me know if you have any further questions. Warm regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 20:46:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02698 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29330; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:43:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29188; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29173; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:42:29 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (chi-qbu-nvl-vty99.as.wcom.net [209.154.110.99]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id UAA23286; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:42:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36746CF4.DAFA4D01@csc.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:42:13 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs References: <199812111521.KAA06252@water.vramp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > On 10 Dec 98, at 17:10, Bill Morrow wrote in reply to Rob Bell: > > > or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) > > This is the only way I have found to safely do this, at least on my 760XL, and I strongly suggest that Rob do this also. > I would happily do this, except the 770 doesn't boot without the main hard drive physically installed. That's why I started this thread, to find out how to boot the 770 without the main HD installed. Thanks, Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob.bell@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 22:39:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03889 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03173; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02928; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02916; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cwix.com (usr29-dialup3.mix1.WillowSprings.cw.net [166.55.42.3]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33510) with ESMTP id <0F3X00J2ERACRK@PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:35:11 -0600 From: Jim Schneider Subject: Re: Question on 770 with Multiple HDs To: Rob Bell Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-id: <3674876E.829E9@cwix.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199812111521.KAA06252@water.vramp.net> <36746CF4.DAFA4D01@csc.com> List-Unsubscribe: This is starting to sound a little like a problem I had awhile back, and flashing the most current bios seemed to fix the problems, but afterwards I wondered if just doing the initialize function in the ROM SETUP would have fixed the problem. If it happened to me again I would try that first because it would be easier. You would also want to be sure that the jumper on the drive is set for cable-select and not a secondary or slave drive. Rob Bell wrote: > "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > > On 10 Dec 98, at 17:10, Bill Morrow wrote in reply to Rob Bell: > > > > > or simply pull the NT4 HDD out when using the NT5 bets HDD.. :-) > > > > This is the only way I have found to safely do this, at least on my 760XL, and I strongly suggest that Rob do this also. > > > > I would happily do this, except the 770 doesn't boot without the main > hard drive physically installed. That's why I started this thread, to > find out how to boot the 770 without the main HD installed. > > Thanks, > Rob > > ----------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob.bell@nospam@csc.com > ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 13 22:39:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03894 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03171; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:36:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02959; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02947; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA30465 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: Re: Decided to Donate the TP 560... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981213123136.00a86670@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > e-mailed me this before, so I'll ask you again--I'd like to take a donation > value of $1,000 for the laptop. If your charitable organization can grant > > The item is a ThinkPad 560, P-120, 8 MB RAM, 12.1" TFT. Has two problems: > HD crashed and TFT does not appear to work (backlight comes on, no > apparent physical damage--probably fixable). In all other respects, it I bought my refurbished 560, P166, 32MB RAM, 12.1" TFT for $999 two months ago. The big mail-order houses are currently selling the 560X P233 for $1500 new. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 12:40:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11546 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09115; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:33:23 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08802; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA04713 for dist-thinkpad; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net ([170.76.16.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08443; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from surveyor ([167.114.23.182]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52476U50000L50000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:27:42 -0600 Message-ID: <001501be2787$0db0a060$b61772a7@surveyor.acnet.net> From: "adelagza@acnet.net" To: Subject: [ThinkPad 380ED] Win98 + TP 380ED + Suspend = Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:23:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Maybe this was posted before. I did an upgrade of the OS that came my TP 380ED, and apparently all works fine... fine until I try to suspend the PC. At first time, the suspend time was very slow, about 2 minutes. Well, maybe Win98 is more efficient and saves all the data, as we put the hibernation feature. When I try to resume the TP, again, about a minute to weak-up. Okay, maybe Win98 is reactivating every device. The last device to be reactivated, was the Laptop Panel. It looks fine, too much time, but is alive the PC... Then, I move the trackpoint to the "Start" button. The trouble start! From built-in speaker, a repetitive sound was annoying me. I try to go to the Properties PC, to unload the sound device. No answer. My ThinkPad was died. I try to turn off the TP, but was impossible, so I turn down and, gentle, I reset the TP... I get on Internet, to download every stuff to help me update the drivers of the TP: BIOS, Video, Sound and other stuff for Win98, Win3x and DOS. I installed everything and follow every step of the "What to do to upgrade to Win98". Nothing works. If you deal with this before and get solved, please help me and send a e-mail to adelagza@acnet.net, because I'm afraid my ol' TP is dying... TIA. -A. de la Garza. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 13:10:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12012 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11464; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:03:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11284; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11247; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15260 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.126]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981214180157.GJIZ21813@ibm.net> for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:01:57 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <36755300.E66C2C74@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:03:44 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! - New status References: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22A9@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After calling IBM with a complaint, it looks like my 770 will be fixed. Evidently the entire bottom cover must be replaced because a little pin that holds the port replicator door in place broke. Course now when I ship I'm supposed to put it to someone's attention and call another person with case # when I ship, so she can call someone else to be watching for it... So I guess they may be making an exception to policy. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 13:44:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12536 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13753; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:31:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13583; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13560; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (14.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.78]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA19613; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:31:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367559F1.81327416@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:33:21 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teresa Selling CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! - New status References: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22A9@compuserve.com> <36755300.E66C2C74@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Teresa.. :-) you usually get further with sweet words that invective.. :-) OR Fulminate at the Gods and not those with a little power over you.. Teresa Selling wrote: > After calling IBM with a complaint, it looks like my 770 will be fixed. > Evidently the entire bottom cover must be replaced because a little pin that > holds the port replicator door in place broke. Course now when I ship I'm > supposed to put it to someone's attention and call another person with case # > when I ship, so she can call someone else to be watching for it... So I guess > they may be making an exception to policy. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 13:46:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12556 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14520; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:38:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14411; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14371; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (14.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.78]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA22205; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:38:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36755B83.277900E1@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:40:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "adelagza@acnet.net" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [ThinkPad 380ED] Win98 + TP 380ED + Suspend = References: <001501be2787$0db0a060$b61772a7@surveyor.acnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The described symptoms USUALLY, but not all the time, mean the video driver is at fault.. try changing it to a generic video driver, just for fun.. :-) adelagza@acnet.net wrote: > Maybe this was posted before. I did an upgrade of the OS that came my TP > 380ED, and apparently all works fine... fine until I try to suspend the PC. > > At first time, the suspend time was very slow, about 2 minutes. Well, maybe > Win98 is more efficient and saves all the data, as we put the hibernation > feature. > > When I try to resume the TP, again, about a minute to weak-up. Okay, maybe > Win98 is reactivating every device. The last device to be reactivated, was > the Laptop Panel. It looks fine, too much time, but is alive the PC... > > Then, I move the trackpoint to the "Start" button. The trouble start! From > built-in speaker, a repetitive sound was annoying me. I try to go to the > Properties PC, to unload the sound device. No answer. My ThinkPad was > died. > > I try to turn off the TP, but was impossible, so I turn down and, gentle, I > reset the TP... > > I get on Internet, to download every stuff to help me update the drivers of > the TP: BIOS, Video, Sound and other stuff for Win98, Win3x and DOS. I > installed everything and follow every step of the "What to do to upgrade to > Win98". > > Nothing works. > > If you deal with this before and get solved, please help me and send a > e-mail to adelagza@acnet.net, because I'm afraid my ol' TP is dying... > > TIA. > > -A. de la Garza. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 13:49:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12642 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14941; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14854; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14807; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (14.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.78]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA23524; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:41:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36755C49.58FDE947@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:43:21 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeroen@netlinq.nl CC: ThinkPad Mailing List , ruby.lestari@vanderbilt.edu Subject: Re: 770X - first impressions References: <3673FADF.CDFD5B72@netlinq.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeroen.. a couple of observations and a question... the enhanced video adapter is STILL not ready.. forget december, more like january, unless my sources are in error.. (i have 6 or 8 on order) speed: wait till you load it up with 328megs of memory.. :-) where was your machine manufactured..? mexico or japan ? Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > I got my 770X last Tuesday. It's a PII 300 with 8 Gb HD, 128 Mb RAM, > 13.7" 1280*1024 screen, DVD and Windows 98. > > Screen > I was used to a 14.1" 1024*768 screen on my Digital Hinote Ultra 2000. > The SXGA took a little time to get used to, but when I now look at my > old Hinote I do appreciate (and will soon not be able to live without) the > extra .5 million pixels... I use the small font settings of 98, so > I'm thankful to have good eyesight. I have zero bad pixels, which > makes me happy too! > > Performance... > ...is excellent, a big improvement compared to the 233 Mhz Hinote. > The 3D of the graphics card could be better though. I'm very glad > with the harddisk, which is speedy and above all twice the size > I was used to.. > > Other features > The keyboard is better than my desktop keyboard. I love the Trackpoint > (been using a Touchpad for too long). Audio quality is the best I've > heard from a laptop, both in line-out and internal speakers. By the way, > there were some remarks about places where the 770 is manufactured. > Mine is actually made by IBM UK in Greenock, Scotland..... > > Future plans > I've only used the DVD as a CD-ROM so far, but I'll be testing some > movies soon. I'll be getting the enhanced video adapter 'somewhere > in December', so I'll be able to grab and output video and better > DVD performance. When I've got some time to spare I'll be installing > NT and/or Linux as well. I'm also considering a docking station to > use PCI cards and SCSI. > > Jeroen -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 13:50:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12655 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15827; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:47:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15670; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15589; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id LAA14966; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:47:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:47:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812141847.LAA14966@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600E and DVD List-Unsubscribe: Anybody have any idea if NT4 with SP3 supports the UDF format (ie. I can read data DVD-ROM disks)? Not looking for MPEG movie playback... just regular data. The main reason I'm asking is because I thought IBM had developed special drivers to allow the 770 series to read DVD data, and I looked all around and couldn't find a driver. And IBM's support site says that the 600E doesn't do DVD movie playback under NT, I'm assuming my 600E can handle data. I don't want to buy any DVD software if it's going to go to waste. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:03:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12867 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17462; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:00:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17233; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17216; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (14.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.78]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA00284; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:00:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3675609F.5CAE0A41@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:01:51 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Mel Del Gallo , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c References: <199812131907.LAA24315@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if referring to the T-1 Torx driver, they are REALLY difficult to find.. i HAD two (both from IBM at about $20 incl. delivery) but sold one to a fellow in germany.. Paul Khoury wrote: > Somebody told me you might be able to get a screwdriver that small from Sears, but I've > been so busy (and now sick), that I haven't been able to check it out. I think IBM also > has their own screwdriver set. > > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, > Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:05:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12896 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17039; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:57:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16841; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16762; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:57:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812141857.NAA16762@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 13 Dec 1988 11:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "jeroen@netlinq.nl" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:57:09 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: backpack for 770? List-Unsubscribe: I bike my tp600 to work every day rain or shine. My recommendation is a solid small case with good padding, but little in the way of extra pockets. Put this inside a solid waterproof backpack and you get superior comfort and protection, along with flexibility and space for other things. On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:50:32 +0100, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: >Hi, > >I'm looking for a new backpack for my laptop. I've got a 770X >and go to work everyday by bike. I sometimes travel by planes, >trains and automobiles as well. The ones I liked when browsing >the web are: > >Kensington Saddlebag >http://www.kensington.com/products/cases/sadlbag.html > >Jansport Transit >http://www.jansport.com/main/catalog/displaypage.pl?pack=43644&keyword1=&key word2=laptop > >Explore Adventure Sports/Spire Zoom Special Edition >http://www.spireusa.com/ezoom.htm > >Tenba Backpak >http://www.tenba.com/computer/backpack.htm > >Targus Convertible Backpac Case >http://www.targus.com/products/ccb1.htm > >Respect LapPak >http://www.respectus.com/c-lappak.html > >Lapsack >http://www.lapsack.com/ > >The Lapsack and Spire Zoom look pretty versatile and durable but >will be difficult to find in a local shop here in The Netherlands. >The Kensington, Jansport en Targus will be available locally. >I think the Kensington Saddlebag is a good choice, but if any >of you out there can recommend me a specific Backpack for my >770 I would be very grateful. > >Regards, > >Jeroen ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:07:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12931 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16566; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:54:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16462; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16443; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812141854.NAA16443@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 13 Dec 1988 11:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:19 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Decided to Donate the TP 560... List-Unsubscribe: This is why us pow foke pay such high taxes :). On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:37:04 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >Hi all, > > Well, I've taken a look at my upcoming tax situation and have decided that >it would be in my best interest to go ahead and donate my ThinkPad 560 >(non-working--sort of) rather than attempt repairs on it. > > Sooo...I'm taking bids/suggestions. I know there were some of you who >e-mailed me this before, so I'll ask you again--I'd like to take a donation >value of $1,000 for the laptop. If your charitable organization can grant >me the $1,000 value for donation of it (and provide me with the appropriate >receipt), please contact me. > > The item is a ThinkPad 560, P-120, 8 MB RAM, 12.1" TFT. Has two problems: > HD crashed and TFT does not appear to work (backlight comes on, no >apparent physical damage--probably fixable). In all other respects, it >works fine--before the HD crashed, it worked fine hooked up to an external >monitor. Has working battery, A/C adapter/charger, and can include some >misc. repair parts for it (the little doors & etc. that easily break off--I >had a couple break and kept spare parts on-hand for when they'd break in >the future). > > Who will grant me the tax-deductable gift value of $1,000? > > Please reply privately. :-) > >------ >Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > Wise men talk because they have something to say. > Fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:18:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13093 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18198; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:05:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18022; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imtest3.mcit.com (imtest3.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18008; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by imtest3.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04329; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.126]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981214190410.HOLH14051@ibm.net>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:04:10 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <36756195.CD37B4D@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:05:57 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: EZ-Serve charging for repairs!!! - New status References: <199812101043_MC2-6324-22A9@compuserve.com> <36755300.E66C2C74@ibm.net> <367559F1.81327416@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: But its easier to be nice, when the person on the other end of the phone is working for me and not against me. Easy Serve was extremely difficult (anything BUT easy!). The woman working my complaint was very easy to deal with. She made it clear that if it was at all possible my problem would be resolved to my satisfaction. Easy Serve just kept repeating "Plastics aren't covered" no matter what I said. I started out nice until my temper took hold. Bill Morrow wrote: > Teresa.. > :-) > you usually get further with sweet words that invective.. :-) > OR > Fulminate at the Gods and not those with a little power over you.. > > Teresa Selling wrote: > > > After calling IBM with a complaint, it looks like my 770 will be fixed. > > Evidently the entire bottom cover must be replaced because a little pin that > > holds the port replicator door in place broke. Course now when I ship I'm > > supposed to put it to someone's attention and call another person with case # > > when I ship, so she can call someone else to be watching for it... So I guess > > they may be making an exception to policy. > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:23:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13217 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19270; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:14:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19180; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19140; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from librettoII.hlb.cable.rcn.com (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22443; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by librettoII.hlb.cable.rcn.com (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <044d01be2795$e5c69640$0100a8c0@ppro-x2> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "Mel Del Gallo" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:13:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered List-Unsubscribe: Please note the original message asked about the screws not the screwdriver. >I have 2 missing screws on the front edge where the latch catches the >base, I've found a list of parts on the IBM website but I could only >find T6 and hese are lot smaller. Does anyone know what size they are, >where I could get some and the driver? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Paul Khoury Cc: Mel Del Gallo ; ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 14:02 Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c >if referring to the T-1 Torx driver, they are REALLY difficult to find.. >i HAD two (both from IBM at about $20 incl. delivery) but sold one to a fellow in germany.. > >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Somebody told me you might be able to get a screwdriver that small from Sears, but I've >> been so busy (and now sick), that I haven't been able to check it out. I think IBM also >> has their own screwdriver set. >> >> Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >> http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html >> Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, >> Mac OS 7.5.3, Windows NT 4.0, and Newton OS 2.0 > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), >760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), >701C(6.3gig, 40meg), >755CE(no gig, 40meg), >750C(no gig, 4meg), >IBM WorkPad(1meg) > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:51:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13659 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21719; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:47:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21561; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21521; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:46:18 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id OAA24372 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:46:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36756B10.7943B754@csc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:46:24 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c References: <044d01be2795$e5c69640$0100a8c0@ppro-x2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Not to be difficult or anything, but the passage you quoted asked about both the screws and the Torx driver... So the people replying haven't been off-topic from the original question(s). Robert Briganti wrote: > > Please note the original message asked about the screws not the screwdriver. > > >I have 2 missing screws on the front edge where the latch catches the > >base, I've found a list of parts on the IBM website but I could only > >find T6 and hese are lot smaller. Does anyone know what size they are, > >where I could get some and the driver? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Later, Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 14:58:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13741 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22364; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:55:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22210; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22172; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from librettoII.hlb.cable.rcn.com (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06497; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by librettoII.hlb.cable.rcn.com (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: <04b401be279b$9ae55ed0$0100a8c0@ppro-x2> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:54:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered List-Unsubscribe: You're correct; I saw that after I sent the previous message (mea culpa). The main part of the message concerned the screws, which had gone unanswered. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 14:43 Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c >Not to be difficult or anything, but the passage you quoted asked about >both the screws and the Torx driver... > >So the people replying haven't been off-topic from the original >question(s). > >Robert Briganti wrote: >> >> Please note the original message asked about the screws not the screwdriver. >> >> >I have 2 missing screws on the front edge where the latch catches the >> >base, I've found a list of parts on the IBM website but I could only >> >find T6 and hese are lot smaller. Does anyone know what size they are, >> >where I could get some and the driver? >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Later, >Rob > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 15:20:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14042 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24437; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:18:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24314; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.netlinq.nl (www.netlinq.nl [195.109.135.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24299; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from netlinq.nl (adsl-145-99-66-99.snelnet.nl [145.99.66.99]) by www.netlinq.nl (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09224 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <367572B4.3902E627@netlinq.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:19:00 +0100 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 770X DVD region problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I try something new with my 770X everyday. Today is DVD day. I got The Big Lebowski (a good start, I should think!) from a friend, it's a region-free DVD. I fired up Mediamatics DVD Express that came along with the machine. The program asked me what zone DVD's I wanted to use and informed me it was a one-time choice. I chose Region 1, because I'll be ordering region 1 DVD's through the internet more than I need Region 2 (Europe) DVD's. To my surprise, DVD Express now quits immediately after push in the DVD - it just aborts! I went 'shopping' on the web for a hack and found one for the 770ED, but it didn't work either. I'm not a manual type of guy (I've been using a computer on a near-daily basis since I was 10 years old and never read a manual) but I started looking in the help files anyway. And to my horror I found these snippets in the online user guide in the 'watching a dvd movie' section: "For Windows 98 installations, you select a region as part of the Windows 98 setup procedure. You must select a region to play DVD content. After you select the region, you can play content only for that region. Be sure to select your correct region." I was never aware that the location I chose would be my DVD region automatically! and later on: "For Windows 98, the system will lock to the region of the first encrypted DVD played. Make sure the first DVD content played is >from the appropriate region. You can verify the region code of the content by looking at the region code symbol on the back of the content packaging. If the first DVD played is from a region other than the region you selected during the set up procedure outline just explained, your system will no longer play DVD content. Contact the computer manufacturer." So now I'm no longer capable of running _any_ DVD movie! Not a friendly gesture from a computer that costs about as much as a car. Any ideas? Thanks, Jeroen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 16:23:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15121 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29050; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:15:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28948; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net (smtp2.gte.net [207.115.153.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28912; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (1Cust251.tnt16.hou3.da.uu.net [208.255.148.251]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id PAA22124 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:15:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199812142115.PAA22124@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net> From: "Jonathan Leishear" To: Subject: Torx T1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:04:28 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Listers, I got one of these drivers from Tom Neuman; email him at tom@newmantools.com His web page is http://www.newmantools.com but I don't believe he lists them there since he only ordered them after I asked him about one. I believe he had to order several in order to send me one so you should be able to get one. It cost me $30 incl. delivery. Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 16:35:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15374 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29745; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:22:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29598; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29581; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-008.usc.edu [128.125.224.8]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA18917 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:21:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214130819.00ae55e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:21:30 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, Using my TP 600 under Win 95, I managed to get both the physical serial port assigned to COM3 and the IR port assigned to COM1 (built-in modem was COM2). It worked wonderfully for me to use an IR-transfer program with my Palm III (rather than having to hook up a physical cable all the time). Oddly enough, one of the things I found was that in Win 95, I had to turn *off* the Win95 IR features in order for the port to work with my Palm III and its software. Now: I'm using Win 98. I can't for the life of me figure out how to get the IR to be recognized as a Com port, let alone have it co-exist as such with the physical Com port. Now its complicated by the fact that Win 98 has this "IR Network Adapter" thing that sees the IR as a network device (I've tried disabling that--doesn't help), not to mention the limited number of IRQ's & whatnot. But even when the physical Com port is disabled and I enable the IR, I can't get it to be recognized as a plain 'ol Com port. Any tips? ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 17:54:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16785 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04772; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:52:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04676; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04633; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA08062 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:52:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:52:33 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Boot from flash, anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've got a broken 365XD (no hard drive works in it), and I would like to use it. Do any of you have experience using ATA FLASH cards? If so, is it possible to install an OS on them and boot from them? (I'm considering DOS, Linux and/or Windows 95.) What are my other alternatives? - Get it fixed for ~$800 for a new main board - Sell it for parts and buy another machine - Parallel drive? - PCMCIA drive? anyone....? Thanks in advance, Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 18:00:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16874 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04775; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:50:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04441; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04294; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bp ([12.70.21.114]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981214224816.PGBL16456@bp>; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <367595D5.529B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:48:53 -0500 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeroen@netlinq.nl CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <367572B4.3902E627@netlinq.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > Hi, > > I try something new with my 770X everyday. Today is DVD day. I got > The Big Lebowski (a good start, I should think!) from a friend, > it's a region-free DVD. I fired up Mediamatics DVD Express that > came along with the mac Reinstall using recovery disk- then get a region 1 DVD and play that. Thaen you can use a region free DVD. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 18:21:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17248 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28169; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:06:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28026; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28008; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (14.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.78]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA19712; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:06:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36757E20.91857BE0@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:07:44 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Del Gallo CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Screws on a Thinkpad 701c References: <3688A11A.85D04CDF@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mel.. IBM sells a kit that has some screws.. be sure it has THOSE tiny screws.. :-) also get the T-1 torx driver at the same time.. Mel Del Gallo wrote: > I have 2 missing screws on the front edge where the latch catches the > base, I've found a list of parts on the IBM website but I could only > find T6 and hese are lot smaller. Does anyone know what size they are, > where I could get some and the driver? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 18:24:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17289 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26850; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:50:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26579; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26515; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster-nt4 (pm3wayne1-13.c-gate.net [198.79.69.187]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16399 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:49:57 -0600 Message-ID: <006c01be27a2$a9b8ac30$01646464@monster-nt4> From: "Eric Giles" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: 1400 series Thinkpads Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:45:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I just saw this post in the laptop newsgroup. Don't know about the accuracy, so I wanted to know what others might have heard (hope this isn't old news): "I can confirm that IBM has stopped production and sales of the 1410 and 1450 laptops. The fact that IBM has dropped the 1400 series so quickly makes me very nervous! I have requested a return authorization and will probably return it. Shame it is a very nice machine. " I understand that PC life cycles are very short, but if I am not mistaken these units have only been on sale for no more than two months. I have also heard that these units are basically rebadged Acer models with different casings and markings. Might there have been a reliability problem? Or just outdated that quickly? On another note, the recent price drop on the 770ED to $2699 has got me itching again! I think I have a buyer for my almost 1 year old 770 1AU with 64MB and DVD drive. If it works out, I should be able to step up to the ED for only $200. Hey, I know its high for a used unit, but paying almost $6k for a laptop and getting less than 50% of the price back in a year in almost unbearable (even though I know this is how it is)! Has anyone that has used an earlier 770 and one of the newer PII models noticed that much difference in performance? Thanks- Eric Giles IBM Workpad 701c DX4/75 48MB 2.1GB 770 P233MMX 5.1GB 64MB DVD ?770ED? maybe in a few days! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 20:04:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18552 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11200; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:01:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11008; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nfs1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10860; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1.bctel.ca with SMTP id RAA26470 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: backpack for 770? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:00:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be27c6$4b9338e0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199812141857.NAA16762@CS.UTK.EDU> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, ditto. I looked into laptop backpacks, and they generally had far too little room for the books I needed to carry in addition to my TP600. I did a similar thing, except that my case is just a soft pouch with a small amount of padding inside (and extra padding at the bottom). I place this inside another pouch made of bubble wrap (with the extra-large bubbles). Then, I stick this whole thing inside my backpack. Works great! Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Kress [mailto:kress@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 2:57 AM > To: jeroen@netlinq.nl; ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: Re: backpack for 770? > > > I bike my tp600 to work every day rain or shine. My > recommendation is a solid small > case with good padding, but little in the way of extra pockets. > Put this inside a solid > waterproof backpack and you get superior comfort and protection, > along with flexibility > and space for other things. > > On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:50:32 +0100, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I'm looking for a new backpack for my laptop. I've got a 770X > >and go to work everyday by bike. I sometimes travel by planes, > >trains and automobiles as well. The ones I liked when browsing > >the web are: > > > >Kensington Saddlebag > >http://www.kensington.com/products/cases/sadlbag.html > > > >Jansport Transit > >http://www.jansport.com/main/catalog/displaypage.pl?pack=43644&ke yword1=&key word2=laptop > >Explore Adventure Sports/Spire Zoom Special Edition >http://www.spireusa.com/ezoom.htm > >Tenba Backpak >http://www.tenba.com/computer/backpack.htm > >Targus Convertible Backpac Case >http://www.targus.com/products/ccb1.htm > >Respect LapPak >http://www.respectus.com/c-lappak.html > >Lapsack >http://www.lapsack.com/ > >The Lapsack and Spire Zoom look pretty versatile and durable but >will be difficult to find in a local shop here in The Netherlands. >The Kensington, Jansport en Targus will be available locally. >I think the Kensington Saddlebag is a good choice, but if any >of you out there can recommend me a specific Backpack for my >770 I would be very grateful. > >Regards, > >Jeroen ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 21:35:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19811 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14943; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14822; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from monarch.sover.net (monarch.sover.net [209.198.87.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14801; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a53.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.53]) by monarch.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29846 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:37:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812150237.VAA29846@monarch.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on monarch.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr2a53.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.53] 207.136.201.53 Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:37:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:28:32 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SXGA pricing? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: Could someone please tell me the pricing of the SXGA version of the 770, and if anyone one has an idea -- what might the price of an SXGA TP600 be? Thank you. --The mail order catologs that I have don't seem to tell me which 770 is the SXGA model. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 21:47:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19952 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15704; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:46:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15606; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from nfs1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15582; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1.bctel.ca with SMTP id SAA13509; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:44:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be27d4$db56c740$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981214130819.00ae55e0@rcf.usc.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Did you do an upgrade to Win 98, or did you install from scratch? If you do an upgrade, the old Win95 IR driver is left in. You'll have to remove it. If you have both the new and old drivers installed (check your device manager), remove them both and use "Add New Hardware" to add back the IR port. Then, it should assign a COM port. Also, check in Thinkpad Configuration to make sure that IR is turned on. Despite the integration of the other configuration items between the Thinkpad Configuration and Win98, IR is still separate. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 1:22 PM > To: TP List > Subject: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? > > > > Hello all, > > Using my TP 600 under Win 95, I managed to get both the > physical serial > port assigned to COM3 and the IR port assigned to COM1 (built-in modem was > COM2). It worked wonderfully for me to use an IR-transfer program with my > Palm III (rather than having to hook up a physical cable all the time). > Oddly enough, one of the things I found was that in Win 95, I had to turn > *off* the Win95 IR features in order for the port to work with my Palm III > and its software. > > Now: I'm using Win 98. I can't for the life of me figure > out how to get > the IR to be recognized as a Com port, let alone have it co-exist as such > with the physical Com port. > > Now its complicated by the fact that Win 98 has this "IR > Network Adapter" > thing that sees the IR as a network device (I've tried disabling > that--doesn't help), not to mention the limited number of IRQ's & whatnot. > > But even when the physical Com port is disabled and I > enable the IR, I > can't get it to be recognized as a plain 'ol Com port. > > Any tips? > > ---- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him > to behave?" > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 21:54:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20055 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16165; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:51:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16073; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16061; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-135.usc.edu [128.125.224.135]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA29267; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:51:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214184858.00aff8e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:51:18 -0800 To: "Ryan Hung" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? In-Reply-To: <000201be27d4$db56c740$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> References: <4.1.19981214130819.00ae55e0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:44 PM 12/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >Did you do an upgrade to Win 98, or did you install from scratch? If you do >an upgrade, the old Win95 IR driver is left in. You'll have to remove it. At first I did, but had so many problems... In a nutshell, I erased the HD and started anew--a clean, fresh, Win 98 install. No Win 95 holdovers. >Also, check in Thinkpad Configuration to make sure that IR is turned on. Done. But when I turn it on, it inevitably conflicts with something (unless I also have the physical Com port turned *off*--but even then, I don't get a Com Port # assigned to the IR!). >Despite the integration of the other configuration items between the >Thinkpad Configuration and Win98, IR is still separate. Please explain? ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 14 22:10:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20287 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17155; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17039; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from nfs1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17014; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1.bctel.ca with SMTP id TAA29247; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Ryan Hung" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:05:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be27d7$d174d7a0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981214184858.00aff8e0@rcf.usc.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 6:51 PM > To: Ryan Hung; TP List > Subject: RE: TP600: IR & Serial Port Simultaneously? > > > At 06:44 PM 12/14/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Did you do an upgrade to Win 98, or did you install from > scratch? If you do > >an upgrade, the old Win95 IR driver is left in. You'll have to > remove it. > > At first I did, but had so many problems... > > In a nutshell, I erased the HD and started anew--a clean, > fresh, Win 98 > install. No Win 95 holdovers. Hmm, ok. I just did an upgrade on mine. > >Also, check in Thinkpad Configuration to make sure that IR is turned on. > > Done. But when I turn it on, it inevitably conflicts with something > (unless I also have the physical Com port turned *off*--but even then, I > don't get a Com Port # assigned to the IR!). You do have to have the physical Com port disabled. > >Despite the integration of the other configuration items between the > >Thinkpad Configuration and Win98, IR is still separate. Please explain? Oh, I just mean that things like power management are now integrated between Win98 and the Thinkpad Configuration. Anyhow, what I'd do is to try removing the IR device, disabling the physical Com port, then add the IR device again. In the Wizard that follows, it should ask you which Com port you want to enable application support for. Ryan. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 00:04:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21539 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21184; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:01:23 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21048; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id AAA08688 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07358; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15236 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:42:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367450A8.A50EC01C@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:41:28 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E and DVD References: <199812141847.LAA14966@cavecreations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 770x(9549-71U) I have at work can read DVD-data under NT. I didn't have to load any special drivers. I would suppose your 600E should do it also, but I haven't tested that. BTW for anyone interested Thinkpad engineering says software decoding of DVD movies will absolutely not work under NT4. Wait for NT5. "Albert C. Lee" wrote: > > Anybody have any idea if NT4 with SP3 supports the UDF format (ie. I > can read data DVD-ROM disks)? Not looking for MPEG movie playback... > just regular data. > > The main reason I'm asking is because I thought IBM had developed > special drivers to allow the 770 series to read DVD data, and I looked > all around and couldn't find a driver. And IBM's support site says > that the 600E doesn't do DVD movie playback under NT, I'm assuming my > 600E can handle data. > > I don't want to buy any DVD software if it's going to go to waste. > > -Al > > -- > Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > (c) 1998 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 00:44:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21997 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23099; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:43:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23018; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22993; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-42.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.42]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA29454 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:42:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981215004512.01286f74@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:45:12 -0500 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: Mark Bell Subject: TP770 and TP755CE forsale on ebay In-Reply-To: <000001be27c6$4b9338e0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> References: <199812141857.NAA16762@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For you ebay mavens out there: I have two Thinkpads up forsale on ebay. A TP770 (9549-1AU) w/ 64megs & 24x CD-ROM (Light usage, 1 of 3 meant for a contract that was never fullfilled = light usage) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49452647 And a TP755CE (9545-7BE) w/40 megs http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49469477 (Corporate reaquisition) Units were slated for deployment in our consulting agency, but field consultants wanted an ED and a X. Personally, I subscribe to the theory that whatever works and is free is better (Heh, J/K, I use a 770ED which I will pass down to get the X!). On another note, I am looking to trade a 3Com 3C575-TX 32-bit Cardbus 10/100bT Adapter for a similar Xjack variant. If someone has one for trade, email me. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 02:11:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22911 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25618; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:09:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25489; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25462; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (29.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.93]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA05919; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:09:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3674BA07.FE7D8E@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:11:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Boot from flash, anyone? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7E01CFDF72B4A9B4A55C349A" List-Unsubscribe: --------------7E01CFDF72B4A9B4A55C349A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris.. Chris Schumann wrote: > I've got a broken 365XD (no hard drive works in it), and I would like to > use it. > > Do any of you have experience using ATA FLASH cards? > > If so, is it possible to install an OS on them and boot from them? (I'm > considering DOS, Linux and/or Windows 95.) > > What are my other alternatives? > - Get it fixed for ~$800 for a new main board > - Sell it for parts and buy another machine > - Parallel drive? > - PCMCIA drive? > anyone....? > > Thanks in advance, > Chris Schumann -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------7E01CFDF72B4A9B4A55C349A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris..

Chris Schumann wrote:

I've got a broken 365XD (no hard drive works in it), and I would like to
use it.

Do any of you have experience using ATA FLASH cards?

If so, is it possible to install an OS on them and boot from them? (I'm
considering DOS, Linux and/or Windows 95.)

What are my other alternatives?
- Get it fixed for ~$800 for a new main board
- Sell it for parts and buy another machine
- Parallel drive?
- PCMCIA drive?
anyone....?

Thanks in advance,
Chris Schumann <whizkid@dwave.net>

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg),
760ED(3.0gig, 104meg),
701C(6.3gig, 40meg),
755CE(no gig, 40meg),
750C(no gig, 4meg),
IBM WorkPad(1meg)

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------7E01CFDF72B4A9B4A55C349A-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 02:11:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22917 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25577; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:08:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25392; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25380; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (29.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.93]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA02304; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:08:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3674B9CA.5F5FAEF@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:10:02 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SXGA pricing? References: <199812150237.VAA29846@monarch.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the SXGA is the 7AU.. recent street pricing is/was about $5250... which is what i'll deliver one for.. also, i have a customer who thinks the SXGA is too small and will sell his 770X and replace it with a XGA model.. i sold it to him about a month ago.. no idea when or if the 600 has or will have the SXGA display.. things change almost daily.. :-) letoured@sover.net wrote: > Could someone please tell me the pricing of the SXGA version of the 770, > and if anyone one has an idea -- what might the price of an SXGA TP600 be? > > Thank you. > > --The mail order catologs that I have don't seem to tell me which 770 is > the SXGA model. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 02:15:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22941 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26266; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:13:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26083; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26071; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (29.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.93]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA26241; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:13:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3674BAF5.246C14FF@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:15:01 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeroen@netlinq.nl CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <367572B4.3902E627@netlinq.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeroen... you can try the various hacks or reload the preload.. blame hollywood and their need for more and more and more.. when enough is not enough, they want more.. thus all the locks and so forth to preven illegal copying and watching a movie intended for the USA in Europe.. that way thay can charge hige prices, i think, far longer than otherwise would be possible.. Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > Hi, > > I try something new with my 770X everyday. Today is DVD day. I got > The Big Lebowski (a good start, I should think!) from a friend, > it's a region-free DVD. I fired up Mediamatics DVD Express that > came along with the machine. The program asked me what zone DVD's > I wanted to use and informed me it was a one-time choice. I chose > Region 1, because I'll be ordering region 1 DVD's through the internet > more than I need Region 2 (Europe) DVD's. > > To my surprise, DVD Express now quits immediately after push in > the DVD - it just aborts! I went 'shopping' on the web for a hack > and found one for the 770ED, but it didn't work either. I'm not > a manual type of guy (I've been using a computer on a near-daily > basis since I was 10 years old and never read a manual) but I > started looking in the help files anyway. And to my horror I found > these snippets in the online user guide in the 'watching a dvd > movie' section: > > "For Windows 98 installations, you select a region as part of the > Windows 98 setup procedure. You must select a region to play DVD > content. After you select the region, you can play content only > for that region. Be sure to select your correct region." > > I was never aware that the location I chose would be my DVD > region automatically! > > and later on: > > "For Windows 98, the system will lock to the region of the first > encrypted DVD played. Make sure the first DVD content played is > from the appropriate region. You can verify the region code of the > content by looking at the region code symbol on the back of the > content packaging. > > If the first DVD played is from a region other than the region you > selected during the set up procedure outline just explained, your > system will no longer play DVD content. Contact the computer > manufacturer." > > So now I'm no longer capable of running _any_ DVD movie! Not a > friendly gesture from a computer that costs about as much as a > car. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Jeroen -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 02:37:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA23080 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27750; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:36:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27647; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (root@electra.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27625; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from umlewism (annex2-18.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.153.82]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA16567 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:36:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01be27fd$97338de0$5299b382@umlewism> From: "Mark Lewis" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: backpack for 770? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:36:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I personally have the Kensington Saddlebag and have been using it daily to get my 385XD to and from law school. It has held up great, enough room, comfortable straps although I must admi that I have not used the backpack that much. None the less I would recommend it to anyone looking for a versatile laptop mover. Best, Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 05:14:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA24116 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04591; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:12:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04493; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (home.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04481; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02898; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:14:02 +0300 (EET) Message-Id: <199812150914.MAA02898@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "adelagza@acnet.net" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:12:18 -0200 (IZM) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <001501be2787$0db0a060$b61772a7@surveyor.acnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TPALL: Re: [ThinkPad 380ED] Win98 + TP 380ED + Suspend = List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Join the club. Since my upgrade to W98, the "enhanced operating system" :), I cannot: * Hot swap PCMCIA cards * Suspend * use the internal modem (wrong country, it says, regardless of which country you pick).. (Mine is a TP600.) W98 is pretty useless except for games. - -t - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNnZ8UjJjYwErN0xZAQEewQP/UUNjEDySbKdk2uM18++LZp0LxqP2AuTy G7kEAIgfIXaW7uC89UJ8z6Eqn+vjdaGO2KBEQTprO46t4NT3HWXPnc63QtLmirL7 8z/eoAxQ3PkhJF78QuPDDxbqJ8yXn5Xym9FCbyAIFDyfGQw4StkhCu15851Lve4y ddFV3a6YRVU= =wJ1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 032: Windows Loaded Correctly This Time From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 06:16:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA24469 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12544; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:15:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12406; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.eclipse.net (root@mail.eclipse.net [207.207.192.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12394; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnj1-02-102.eclipse.net (cnj1-02-102.eclipse.net [207.207.243.102]) by mail.eclipse.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA16506 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: mdash@plexsys.com (Michael Scheer) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600/NT/3CCFE575BT Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:16:13 GMT Organization: Plexus Systems, Inc. Reply-To: mdash@plexsys.com Message-ID: <367643e9.765548841@mail.eclipse.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hash anybody been able to get the 3Com Megahertz 10/100 CardBus card working in a TP600 with NT 4.0 workstation? Better still, do you also have it working with CardWizard 4.X? What resources are you using? My system: TP600, PII-266, 128 MB, NT4.0 WS Thanks. --Mike Scheer, mdash@plexsys.com, 908-273-1885 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 07:36:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25004 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14380; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:35:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14246; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [205.177.191.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14234; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA25790; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:34:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: Michael To: Eric Giles cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 1400 series Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <006c01be27a2$a9b8ac30$01646464@monster-nt4> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hmmmmm.. I just checked the webpages at IBM and they are still listed.. I just got another "i" 1720 Monday, shipped Friday from IBM Durham, NC to replace the on I got last month with bad pixels in the center of the screen. So it looks like if it's so it may only be the 1400's and not the 1720. Maybe I'll call IBM direct sales today and inquire as to purchasing a 1450 and see what happens. BTW Eric.. How did you get 48mb in your 701?? Mine has 8 + 32 = 40... On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Eric Giles wrote: > I just saw this post in the laptop newsgroup. Don't know about the accuracy, > so I wanted to know what others might have heard (hope this isn't old news): > > "I can confirm that IBM has stopped production and sales of the 1410 > and 1450 laptops. The fact that IBM has dropped the 1400 series so > quickly makes me very nervous! I have requested a return authorization > and will probably return it. Shame it is a very nice machine. " > > I understand that PC life cycles are very short, but if I am not mistaken > these units have only been on sale for no more than two months. I have also > heard that these units are basically rebadged Acer models with different > casings and markings. Might there have been a reliability problem? Or just > outdated that quickly? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 08:00:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25142 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15079; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:59:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14996; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [205.177.191.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14983; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA25840 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:58:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:58:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1400 series Thinkpads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: An update on my last message message.. I checked the news announcemets at ibm and the only one I can find listing any "pad" in the last 2 months is; http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=ozwrgLVr*M80Sb0USenGnN9332&request=announcements&parms=U%5f998%2d340&xfr=N which is dated Dec, 1st. It shows some 600's 770, 380's and a Wordpad being withdrawn but no 1400's. Of course it may have not been posted yet. On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Michael wrote: > > Hmmmmm.. > > I just checked the webpages at IBM and they are still listed.. > > I just got another "i" 1720 Monday, shipped Friday from IBM Durham, NC to > replace the on I got last month with bad pixels in the center of the > screen. So it looks like if it's so it may only be the 1400's and not > the 1720. Maybe I'll call IBM direct sales today and inquire as to > purchasing a 1450 and see what happens. > > BTW Eric.. > > How did you get 48mb in your 701?? Mine has 8 + 32 = 40... > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Eric Giles wrote: > > > I just saw this post in the laptop newsgroup. Don't know about the accuracy, > > so I wanted to know what others might have heard (hope this isn't old news): > > > > "I can confirm that IBM has stopped production and sales of the 1410 > > and 1450 laptops. The fact that IBM has dropped the 1400 series so > > quickly makes me very nervous! I have requested a return authorization > > and will probably return it. Shame it is a very nice machine. " > > > > I understand that PC life cycles are very short, but if I am not mistaken > > these units have only been on sale for no more than two months. I have also > > heard that these units are basically rebadged Acer models with different > > casings and markings. Might there have been a reliability problem? Or just > > outdated that quickly? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 09:59:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26271 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21264; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:56:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21047; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21027; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster-nt4 (pm3wayne1-12.c-gate.net [198.79.69.186]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11054 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:57:31 -0600 Message-ID: <003001be283a$97cf6c00$01646464@monster-nt4> From: "Eric Giles" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 1400 series Thinkpads Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:52:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I read another post on the laptop newsgroup later on that might explain what has happened. Someone else called IBM inquiring about this. They were told that the 1400 series production run had completely sold out since its introduction. So, IBM decided (this is what was posted) that instead of producing more of the same model they would start production of a newer 1400 model with updated features to keep them competitive. This kinda makes sense to me. I didn't think it would be a reliability problem or we would have heard something by now. >Hmmmmm.. > >I just checked the webpages at IBM and they are still listed.. > >I just got another "i" 1720 Monday, shipped Friday from IBM Durham, NC to >replace the on I got last month with bad pixels in the center of the >screen. So it looks like if it's so it may only be the 1400's and not >the 1720. Maybe I'll call IBM direct sales today and inquire as to >purchasing a 1450 and see what happens. > >BTW Eric.. > >How did you get 48mb in your 701?? Mine has 8 + 32 = 40... > Oops-it was a combination of brain fade and typing error! Yes, 40MB is what I have also! BTW-I put in a hold order for a 770ED with CDW yesterday. My account rep said they had 111 in stock and had sold 27 as of 2 p.m. CDT. Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 15:55:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02014 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10750; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:46:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10373; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10355; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-101-123-1.il.us.ibm.net [32.101.123.1]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA52994; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:46:12 GMT Message-ID: <3676C87D.FFC431D1@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:37:18 -0600 From: Jeff Fayne Reply-To: fayne@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [FA] IBM Brand External Battery Charger on Ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, For those who are interested, I have an IBM brand external charger kit (IBM P/N 02K6499) for auction on Ebay. Works with Thinkpad Models 380, 385, 560, 600, 770. Has never been used, complete with original manual and packaging. Would make a great last minute Holiday present for a Thinkpad owner. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49136849 Thanks, Jeff From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 18:50:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04463 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18811; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:42:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18674; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18646; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (fletk@garcia.efn.org [206.163.176.5]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04162; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (fletk@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23896; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: fletk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Fletcher To: Eric Giles cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 1400 series Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <003001be283a$97cf6c00$01646464@monster-nt4> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Eric Giles wrote: >I read another post on the laptop newsgroup later on that might explain what >has happened. Someone else called IBM inquiring about this. They were told >that the 1400 series production run had completely sold out since its >introduction. So, IBM decided (this is what was posted) that instead of >producing more of the same model they would start production of a newer 1400 >model with updated features to keep them competitive. I posted that message. The rep said that there would be more i-Series models; she didn't actually say there would be more 1400 models. It could be a different number series. And she hinted that this move was due to the popularity of the i-Series. My own feeling is that IBM, after selling out of the initial run of 1410s and 1450s, found them so popular that they decided to upgrade the lower-end i-Series immediately to stay ahead of the curve in the cheap active-matrix desktop replacement market. That's just my own hunch, lacking any hard data or inside information. Still, though, it feels weird to be using a two-week old computer that's already discontinued! It was announced in October, started shipping in November, and now in mid-December it's done! Sheesh! Since this is my first post to the list, I should say that I own a Thinkpad 1450, with 64 megs of RAM. (Previously I was laboring in the dark ages with a Compaq 386 notebook w/grayscale VGA, 4meg RAM and 40meg HD: surfing the net text-only with LYNX through my ISP's unix shell!) I initially ordered a 1410 direct from IBM on the strength of a review by Peter Lewis of the New York Times in his "Computers" column that ran in the local paper on November 1st. I had been waiting for a good active-matrix notebook to come down to the $1500 level, and the 1410 looked almost too good to be true. But IBM's target ship date for the unit kept slipping farther and farther into the future. Finally out of frustration I checked Circuit City (who hadn't had any i-Series models in stock at the time I read the review). They had no 1410s, but they DID have some 1450s. I decided to cough up the extra $$ and walked out with my new computer! I cancelled the 1410 order, of course, but probably needn't have, after hearing the recent news of its discontinuation. Cheers, Ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 20:56:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06060 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23424; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:48:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23304; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23291; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00221; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:48:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3675BFB2.5F1751DE@ipass.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:47:30 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Giles CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 1400 series Thinkpads References: <006c01be27a2$a9b8ac30$01646464@monster-nt4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am absolutely positive the I series are in production. they are behind demand for it but are making them. They are NOT slated for end of life any time in 99. Eric Giles wrote: > > I just saw this post in the laptop newsgroup. Don't know about the accuracy, > so I wanted to know what others might have heard (hope this isn't old news): > > "I can confirm that IBM has stopped production and sales of the 1410 > and 1450 laptops. The fact that IBM has dropped the 1400 series so > quickly makes me very nervous! I have requested a return authorization > and will probably return it. Shame it is a very nice machine. " > > I understand that PC life cycles are very short, but if I am not mistaken > these units have only been on sale for no more than two months. I have also > heard that these units are basically rebadged Acer models with different > casings and markings. Might there have been a reliability problem? Or just > outdated that quickly? > > On another note, the recent price drop on the 770ED to $2699 has got me > itching again! I think I have a buyer for my almost 1 year old 770 1AU with > 64MB and DVD drive. If it works out, I should be able to step up to the ED > for only $200. Hey, I know its high for a used unit, but paying almost $6k > for a laptop and getting less than 50% of the price back in a year in almost > unbearable (even though I know this is how it is)! > > Has anyone that has used an earlier 770 and one of the newer PII models > noticed that much difference in performance? > > Thanks- > > Eric Giles > IBM Workpad > 701c DX4/75 48MB 2.1GB > 770 P233MMX 5.1GB 64MB DVD > ?770ED? maybe in a few days! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 15 21:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06717 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24439; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:13:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24350; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24334; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03577 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:12:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3675C55A.6DFB2C43@ipass.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:11:38 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600/NT/3CCFE575BT References: <367643e9.765548841@mail.eclipse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had one working perfectly until I installed cardwiz 4.1 if you don't need card swap just take cardwiz out and all will be well. Chris Michael Scheer wrote: > > Hash anybody been able to get the 3Com Megahertz 10/100 CardBus card > working in a TP600 with NT 4.0 workstation? Better still, do you also > have it working with CardWizard 4.X? What resources are you using? > > My system: > > TP600, PII-266, 128 MB, NT4.0 WS > > Thanks. > > --Mike Scheer, mdash@plexsys.com, 908-273-1885 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 04:17:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10608 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07241; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:15:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07079; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from DTMOSC02.edm.de (DTMOSC02.edm.de [195.138.52.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07067; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by DTMOSC02.edm.de(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id C12566DC.0032EA9F ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:08 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: EDMNOTES@EDM-EXTERN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mailing@cs.utk.edu, list@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:15:05 +0100 Subject: [TP770ED] DVD output on TV only black+white Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Did anyone ever heard of problems regarding DVD-Output on TV via the VIDEO-conversion cable and S-VHS-cable (or cinch) ? All I get is black and white output (while on the LCD SoftDVD "plays" color). We also used Cinch cable instead of S-VHS, no change. We used another Input-system (VCR), no change too. We played the DVD DEMO (it is delivered with the TP on disk), -> black + white on TV. When we use the TV as an external Screen for i.e. W95 (activate external Screen in Thinkpad Utilities, PAL, etc.), voila, the W95 Desktop can be viewed in 256 colors and 800x600 any suggestions (helpline says: change the "adapter for DVD and extended video") ??? Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 06:37:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA11331 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16532; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:35:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16418; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from adv1.advance.com.ar (adv1.advance.com.ar [200.9.212.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16406; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigfoot.com ([200.5.93.26]) by adv1.advance.com.ar (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA21AA for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:32:48 -0200 Message-ID: <3677C553.93F269F5@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:36:05 -0600 From: MIC SANCHEZ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [es] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lista Usuarios de Thinkpad Subject: Hello Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a tp 380d with a hd of 1,3 g & 48 mb ram. I am trying to install - by myself - the os warp 4.0 and I am still doing so with more or less well results. I do not know if any one could help me in this task. I use with it a zip iomega driver. I LIVE IN ARGENTINA, I am a medical doctor and I was tired of the nosenses messages delivered daily by the windows 95 o.s. So I decided the change, I am quite happy although is a hard task for a person who it is not an expert in the field. THANKS! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 07:29:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11651 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17938; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:27:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17838; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1.seitz.de (unix1.seitz.de [193.102.72.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17796; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from seitz.de (hostII11.sparkasse-pforzheim.de [194.174.83.43]) by unix1.seitz.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA459E; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3677A687.46BD4F81@seitz.de> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:24:39 +0100 From: "Adnan Mumbasic" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter_Bankmann@edm.de CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mailing@cs.utk.edu, list@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] DVD output on TV only black+white References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms94BC4DEFEB47E2206E56C5B0" List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms94BC4DEFEB47E2206E56C5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter_Bankmann@edm.de wrote: > > Did anyone ever heard of problems regarding DVD-Output on TV via the > VIDEO-conversion cable and S-VHS-cable (or cinch) ? > > All I get is black and white output (while on the LCD SoftDVD "plays" > color). > We also used Cinch cable instead of S-VHS, no change. > We used another Input-system (VCR), no change too. > We played the DVD DEMO (it is delivered with the TP on disk), -> black + > white on TV. > > When we use the TV as an external Screen for i.e. W95 (activate external > Screen in Thinkpad Utilities, PAL, etc.), voila, the W95 Desktop can be > viewed in 256 colors and 800x600 > > any suggestions (helpline says: change the "adapter for DVD and extended > video") ??? > > Peter It is easy, it is the zone problem you have. Your DVD or DVD-file is not for europe. So you have to buy an european DVD. Try one in a Video-shop and it will work. Also you must have noticed, that the quality of the DVD in b&w is not so good. The DVD-demo is also for US-only use. Using TV as external screen had nothing with DVD zones so it works ;) Best regards Adnan PS. 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The person I spoke to told me there was no other option of getting the DVD to accept _any_ DVD movie than to completely reinstall the unit. I've got some clues how to change the registry and maybe ConfigSafe wil save my day, but I prepare for the worst this weekend. The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The software did ask me a one-off question what type of region DVD's I wanted to play, but it never informed that a 'wrong' choice or a 'wrong' DVD inserted at the moment would imply the complete reinstallation of my computer! I mean, there are so many useless dialog boxes in Windows XX, this one wouldn't hurt much... Jeroen Bill Morrow wrote: > > Jeroen... > > you can try the various hacks or reload the preload.. > blame hollywood and their need for more and more and more.. > when enough is not enough, they want more.. > thus all the locks and so forth to preven illegal copying and watching a > movie intended for the USA in Europe.. > that way thay can charge hige prices, i think, far longer than otherwise > would be possible.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 08:25:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12088 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20491; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20344; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.eclipse.net (root@mail.eclipse.net [207.207.192.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20329; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnj1-02-88.eclipse.net (cnj1-02-88.eclipse.net [207.207.243.88]) by mail.eclipse.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13570; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: mdash@plexsys.com (Michael D. Scheer) To: Chris Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600/NT/3CCFE575BT Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:24:03 GMT Message-ID: <3677b417.878903@mail.eclipse.net> References: <367643e9.765548841@mail.eclipse.net> <3675C55A.6DFB2C43@ipass.net> In-Reply-To: <3675C55A.6DFB2C43@ipass.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Agreed that cardwiz is likely a problem (even on 95, BTW). My initial goal is to install without it, but I am still having resource conflict problems. What settings are you using? On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:11:38 -0500, you wrote: >I had one working perfectly until I installed cardwiz 4.1 >if you don't need card swap just take cardwiz out and=20 >all will be well. > >Chris > >Michael Scheer wrote: >>=20 >> Hash anybody been able to get the 3Com Megahertz 10/100 CardBus card >> working in a TP600 with NT 4.0 workstation? Better still, do you also >> have it working with CardWizard 4.X? What resources are you using? >>=20 >> My system: >>=20 >> TP600, PII-266, 128 MB, NT4.0 WS >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> --Mike Scheer, mdash@plexsys.com, 908-273-1885 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 11:12:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13726 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28459; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28284; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28227; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15645 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:02:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem In-Reply-To: <3677AB0A.1F78CD9A@netlinq.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these > issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that > let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key > features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The IBM may not have had much choice. The record/movie industry got a couple laws passed requiring certain types of digital hardware that can be used to record/playback audio/video have copy protection capabilities. There's an exception clause for computers, but playing back DVD movies is a decidedly un-computerlike capability. (These laws also require a tax be pre-paid to these industries on all digital consumer hardware, to compensate them for lost revenues due to potential piracy by you.) That's what killed off DAT. Fun world we live in, eh? :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 15:43:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18043 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13084; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:34:12 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12866; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA22100 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12170; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:22:34 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id PAA11715 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:22:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36781676.B9596781@csc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:22:14 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My wife and I are considering purchasing a 770ED for her to use in her consulting job. The model we're looking at is a P-II 266, 14.1" LCD, 64MB, 8GB, with DVD. I currently have a 770 (P233, 13.3" LCD, 128MB, 4.0GB, with CD). Are these two models similar enough that the hard drives could be swapped and boot successfully on the other machine occasionally? It appears on the IBM web site that both models share all drivers (at least for NT). Has anyone done something like this before? The only thing that jumps out as a definite problem is the built-in modem on the 770ED. However, I could live without a modem while swapped. I could also do without DVD during the swap times. How about memory? Can the chips in the 770 work in the 770ED? Any info about the models' compatibility (or lack of) would be appreciated. Thanks, Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 16:55:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19079 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17606; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:37:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17361; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17346; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:32 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id QAA19047 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367827D7.2DBFDCF3@csc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:36:23 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED References: <19981216212750.KSSI18674@sony> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think the 770 (9548-30U) can handle either EDO or SDRAM. You're just not supposed to mix them. Although I believe I ran for a month or so with a 32MB EDO and a 32MB SDRAM. I called IBM tech support before trying it and they said "if it passes the BIOS memory test and recognizes it all then it will run without damaging anything." I don't know about the 770ED RAM specs. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > I think the spec for the 770 calls for SDRAM! I put SDRAM in my 3OU, and it > worked fine! > ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 17:53:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19897 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13895; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:46:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13797; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13778; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkarp (msn-5-14.binc.net [205.173.178.93]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA23739; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:45:21 -0600 Message-ID: <000701be2934$ef5c62c0$5db2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:44:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: You can share HDDs without a problem, though Windows might act a little weird about hardware missing when the 770 HDD is used in the 770ED (modem, MPEG card, etc.). I'm not at all familiar with NT. This wouldn't be a problem on 95/98. As to RAM, NO, NO, NO! No, no ... you get the idea. 770 RAM IS NOT compatible with the 770ED. Not at all. One sure fire way to void your warranty. I don't know if 770ED RAM will work in the 770 or not. I think so, but not certain. I'm dead certain about the other way around, though. The 770ED requires SDRAM memory; EDO is not supported. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:37 PM Subject: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED >My wife and I are considering purchasing a 770ED for her to use in her >consulting job. The model we're looking at is a P-II 266, 14.1" LCD, >64MB, 8GB, with DVD. I currently have a 770 (P233, 13.3" LCD, 128MB, >4.0GB, with CD). Are these two models similar enough that the hard >drives could be swapped and boot successfully on the other machine >occasionally? It appears on the IBM web site that both models share all >drivers (at least for NT). Has anyone done something like this before? >The only thing that jumps out as a definite problem is the built-in >modem on the 770ED. However, I could live without a modem while >swapped. I could also do without DVD during the swap times. > >How about memory? Can the chips in the 770 work in the 770ED? > >Any info about the models' compatibility (or lack of) would be >appreciated. > >Thanks, >Rob > >----------------------------------------- >Rob Bell >Senior Consultant, CPD Professional >CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN >rob_bell@csi.com >----------------------------------------- > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 17:55:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19926 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17079; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16595; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16468; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sony ([12.79.18.104]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981216212750.KSSI18674@sony>; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:27:50 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Robert J. Karp" , "Rob Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:23:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981216212750.KSSI18674@sony> List-Unsubscribe: I think the spec for the 770 calls for SDRAM! I put SDRAM in my 3OU, and it worked fine! ---------- > From: Robert J. Karp > To: Rob Bell > Cc: ThinkPad Users Group > Subject: Re: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 3:44 PM > > You can share HDDs without a problem, though Windows might act a little > weird about hardware missing when the 770 HDD is used in the 770ED (modem, > MPEG card, etc.). I'm not at all familiar with NT. This wouldn't be a > problem on 95/98. As to RAM, NO, NO, NO! No, no ... you get the idea. 770 > RAM IS NOT compatible with the 770ED. Not at all. One sure fire way to > void your warranty. I don't know if 770ED RAM will work in the 770 or not. > I think so, but not certain. I'm dead certain about the other way around, > though. The 770ED requires SDRAM memory; EDO is not supported. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:37 PM > Subject: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED > > > >My wife and I are considering purchasing a 770ED for her to use in her > >consulting job. The model we're looking at is a P-II 266, 14.1" LCD, > >64MB, 8GB, with DVD. I currently have a 770 (P233, 13.3" LCD, 128MB, > >4.0GB, with CD). Are these two models similar enough that the hard > >drives could be swapped and boot successfully on the other machine > >occasionally? It appears on the IBM web site that both models share all > >drivers (at least for NT). Has anyone done something like this before? > >The only thing that jumps out as a definite problem is the built-in > >modem on the 770ED. However, I could live without a modem while > >swapped. I could also do without DVD during the swap times. > > > >How about memory? Can the chips in the 770 work in the 770ED? > > > >Any info about the models' compatibility (or lack of) would be > >appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Rob > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Rob Bell > >Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > >CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > >rob_bell@csi.com > >----------------------------------------- > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 18:11:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20199 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22604; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22388; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (mail1.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22368; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (host-209-214-174-46.owb.bellsouth.net [209.214.174.46]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07285 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981216171504.006ea370@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: donhagan@mail.lig.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:15:04 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Donnie Hagan Subject: 755 hdd change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have 755ce with 540 meg hdd, I bought 1.08 gig, how can I transfer all files to new drive? Also have dock II and I am trying to install mediavision 2x scsi CD. Where can I find drivers or help? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 16 21:40:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22977 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29780; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:38:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29628; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29543; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:36:06 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (chi-qbu-nvr-vty159.as.wcom.net [209.154.115.159]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id VAA17337; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:35:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36786DE9.70DAA0E0@csc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:35:23 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donnie Hagan CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755 hdd change References: <3.0.1.32.19981216171504.006ea370@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donnie Hagan wrote: > > I have 755ce with 540 meg hdd, I bought 1.08 gig, how can I transfer all > files to new drive? Also have dock II and I am trying to install > mediavision 2x scsi CD. Where can I find drivers or help? Thanks. Do you have access to a network file server or another PC with enough disk space for your files? Easiest thing to do is copy the files via a network card or a direct cable connection to the other PC, then swap local disks and copy the files back. Alternatively, a ZIP drive may work, although you'd need several ZIP disks. HTH, Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 00:11:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24710 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04018; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:02:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03914; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03901; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA15504 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:01:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981216230139.008a9100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:01:39 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: My Roundabout 770ED Purchase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/3/98, I purchased a refurbished ThinkPad 770ED from onsale.com, for what seemed at the time to be a pretty good deal. By the time they got 'round to shipping it (on 12/9), the price of new 770ED units (with full 3-year warranty) had dropped to enough less than what I had paid onsale.com to have paid for an extra 64Meg of RAM. The unit arrived on 12/11. The first thing I did, after admiring it for a couple of minutes (finding all the connections and controls) and going through initial Win95 config, was to run disk scans on the C: and D: logical drives. Well, actually just the C: logical drive. I started it up and went away for several minutes. Upon my return, I was confronted by a blue-screen VxD error that caused a system reset when I hit the space bar. I tried it again and went to dinner. Returning from dinner, the PC was powered off, and the Fn key would not wake it up. So, I ran the BIOS self-tests, or tried to. About half the time, the System Board test would lock up the system, and I was never able to run the memory test past the first segment of the progress bar before it also locked up. This behavior took place both with and without the 32Meg RAM card. I called IBM. This was Friday evening, but I was surprised that they were not prepared to provide the same level of assistance that I had become used to with my 755CE. The fellow said that I needed to FAX my "proof of purchase" information to "Voice Operations" before they could do anything about getting my system fixed. (I visualized a wait of at least an additional week.) So, on Monday I called onsale.com and told them that I wasn't particularly happy with my purchase experience. I said that it was bad enough that my system didn't actually ship until after new ones were selling for less, but for it to arrive DOA after all that was just too much. The person I spoke with was most understanding and helpful, and provided me with an RMA number and instructions on returning the system. (It was boxed up tonight. It goes back tomorrow.) My next call on Monday was to PC Connection, where I ordered a *new* 770ED, along with that extra 64Meg of RAM I mentioned earlier. They said they would throw in a case at no extra charge (which is apparently on back-order, as it was not in the same box). By buying a "SelectaBase 770" on the same order (for ~$200), I am entitled to a $200 rebate, making the dock effectively free. (It also appears to be back-ordered.) I also bought an extra AC adapter, so I can leave one plugged in "permanently" at my desk while the other stays in my briefcase. (Also back-ordered.) Plus, I bought a 9x5 on-site extension to the 3-year warrantee for ~$145. (I had found the on-site option on my 755CE very handy when things needed fixing, but the unit still mostly worked. It was a lot easier to buy this from PC Connection than the maze at IBM several years ago!) BTW, these warranty upgrades can be purchased at any time during the initial warranty period. For info, use IBM's FAX-back service (800-426-4329) and request document 8274. The system arrived on Tuesday, and I've been running diagnostics and installs on it while continuing to work on my 755CE. What a beautiful machine! While I'm sure that the 770X systems are wonderful, I'm figuring that the 770ED will not become painfully obsolete during its 3-year warranty period. Anyway, Kudos to: 1) onsale.com, for doing the right thing by authorizing the return 2) PC Connection, for being helpful, cheap, and fast on delivery of the pieces that mattered to me most 3) IBM, for building such a beautiful system -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNniPY2asl5Jijs7SEQLJQQCgqPrXDCpbmnQICjHQFwSVFzX1rS4AoOcI 5JFXnmhEkBBplxbSsFoL0pK1 =6qSZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 02:15:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25887 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07431; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:13:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07308; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07296; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (47.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.111]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA24400; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3678AF90.90FC68A0@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:15:28 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: Compatibility of Components: 770 and 770ED References: <19981216212750.KSSI18674@sony> <367827D7.2DBFDCF3@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: SDRAM is whats on the system board, mix and match is OK, but EDO & SDRAM will run slower than all SDRAM.. cost difference is trivial, get SDRAM when possible.. Rob Bell wrote: > I think the 770 (9548-30U) can handle either EDO or SDRAM. You're just > not supposed to mix them. Although I believe I ran for a month or so > with a 32MB EDO and a 32MB SDRAM. I called IBM tech support before > trying it and they said "if it passes the BIOS memory test and > recognizes it all then it will run without damaging anything." > > I don't know about the 770ED RAM specs. > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > I think the spec for the 770 calls for SDRAM! I put SDRAM in my 3OU, and it > > worked fine! > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob_bell@csi.com > ----------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 02:19:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25906 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07815; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:17:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07713; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (203-96-92-1.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07700; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from amlaptop ([202.27.179.95]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19981217071608.ECGH538246.mta1-rme@amlaptop> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:16:08 +1300 Message-ID: <003d01be298c$bf962140$28b71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: [TP770ED] DVD output on TV only black+white Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:13:28 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Definately sounds like you are playing to the wrong TV system. I don't know what format your test DVD disk is in: NTSC or PAL,(it should say on the Jewel Case somewhere), but playing an American NTSC disk on a PAL TV will definately screw up the colors, or more. I'm not sure if you can get SECAM DVD's, but PAL and SECAM are almost identical and used a lot in Europe, but the colors will get lost playing one on the other. Here in NZ, most new TV's handle all systems so this is not a problem. Using the TV as an external monitor, you can switch from NTSC to PAL in the Thinkpad config program, try that and see the effects. I'm guessing your TV cannot handle the Video system the DVD is encoded in, but it will show up on the LCD display no matter what system it is in. Hope this helps, Andreas!! :-) > >Did anyone ever heard of problems regarding DVD-Output on TV via the >VIDEO-conversion cable and S-VHS-cable (or cinch) ? > >All I get is black and white output (while on the LCD SoftDVD "plays" >color). >We also used Cinch cable instead of S-VHS, no change. >We used another Input-system (VCR), no change too. >We played the DVD DEMO (it is delivered with the TP on disk), -> black + >white on TV. > >When we use the TV as an external Screen for i.e. W95 (activate external >Screen in Thinkpad Utilities, PAL, etc.), voila, the W95 Desktop can be >viewed in 256 colors and 800x600 > >any suggestions (helpline says: change the "adapter for DVD and extended >video") ??? > >Peter > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 02:27:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25958 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08457; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:26:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08357; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08345; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (47.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.111]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA16840; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3678B26E.FA33F2A6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:27:42 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. good and lucid explanation.. my editorial: hollywood 'content' providers seem to want to be a wealthy as "Pearly" Gates who wants to be richer than god.. all endevor or risk should be rewarded.. but "How much is enough" ?? John Kim wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > > > The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these > > issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that > > let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key > > features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The > > IBM may not have had much choice. The record/movie industry > got a couple laws passed requiring certain types of digital > hardware that can be used to record/playback audio/video have > copy protection capabilities. There's an exception clause for > computers, but playing back DVD movies is a decidedly > un-computerlike capability. (These laws also require a tax be > pre-paid to these industries on all digital consumer hardware, > to compensate them for lost revenues due to potential piracy > by you.) That's what killed off DAT. > > Fun world we live in, eh? :-) > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 02:29:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25975 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08861; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:28:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08682; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08649; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-184.islandnet.com [139.142.112.184] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zqXqn-000L2sC for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:22:01 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have an IBM Thinkpad 701 Butterfly, now out of warranty. The computer always thinks that the battery is charged, no matter how much it has run down! This is an NiMH battery. If I leave the computer unplugged, after a while (used to be minutes, now is 2-3 seconds) the screen goes blank and the machine begins to click and the power light goes on and off. Not a good variation. I'm thinking it might be better for me at this point to not carry the battery at all. My question: what can I do? Is there a (DOS?) utility which will tell the computer that the darned battery is uncharged, turn on the charge light, let's get on with it? Or a reset button? An IBM guy suggested to click "Initialize" in the Configuration Utility. I've asked for further details, but I couldn't see an "Initialize" there. I would guess that there was a hardware problem, except that it also happened early in the computer's life. I don't know or remember what fixed it then. I did find 1996 references to the problem in the archives of this list, but no solutions. I'm afraid that my batteries may now have so little charge that they cannot wake up the faulty charging system ... ? I don't know if it should make any difference, but a few months back I obtained a second battery to extend the useful life of the computer if away from a wall outlet. I think there is some possibility that the 701 gets confused, it doesn't actually test the battery's charge unless some (unknown to me) thing happens. Otherwise it works from inference (as I am here!). And I upgraded to 8 + 32 = 40 MB RAM. This didn't seem to make any difference, at the time, to the battery's projected charge duration. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 03:07:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA26228 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10453; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:06:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10313; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10299; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA23019 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:06:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217020615.0082d300@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:06:15 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: 770ED Win95 - C: Convert to FAT32? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On my new 770ED, the C: partition arrived as a FAT16 partition. I have Partition Magic, and know how to use it to convert the partition to FAT32. Is there anything I need to be aware of in doing this on a ThinkPad? For example, will I screw up my Hibernation ability? If so, is there a way to work around that, or do I need to disable Hibernation? Anything else? Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNni7a2asl5Jijs7SEQKrowCgiQmkIM+9bnDPisgkEpVNsm3Jf8sAmwRX m/RIWR7KtTH6GNnmBgNSkh/D =7tIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 04:10:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA26718 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12681; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:07:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12568; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12555; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA24428 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:07:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217030711.0082e1f0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:07:11 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: 770ED - Both Serial & IR Ports? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have disabled the Mwave DSP modem on my 770ED and replaced it with a Megahertz combo Ethernet / Modem card. This has freed an IRQ on my system (3). I have the RS-232 port on the back of the system configured at the moment. The only way I could figure out how to do so was to disable the IR port. Now, I'd like to re-enable the IR port, but it appears the only way to do that is to disable the RS-232! Is there any way to have it all??? I'd like to be able to have my RS-232 port connected to another computer AND use the IR port for things like printing or PDA sync, without having to switch them both around and have a re-boot or two each time I need to go from one to the other. Any help would be appreciated, even if it is an RTFM into the manuals I've just received and haven't had a chance to read, yet. (BTW, the controls on the 755CE let me set IRQs, etc. for the various devices.) Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnjJuWasl5Jijs7SEQLhWACfS9ihcDzO8ky9mw/CMWLAQEYJVBgAnjsg fBT9o5sEe+ccVLcmbhQ0tjF+ =PaZC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 04:54:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA26958 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14245; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:53:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14121; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f317.hotmail.com [207.82.250.237]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14094; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20692 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1998 09:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19981217095225.20691.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.64.198.101 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:52:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [171.64.198.101] From: "Benjamin Koh" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED - Both Serial & IR Ports? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:52:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I have a 560X, but the same should apply to your 770ED. If you're using Win95 like me, go to device manager (and the TP config program), disable IR, enable the serial port and reboot. Use device manager again to change the IRQ for the serial port - you can use any of the alternate settings. Reboot to enable the changes. Enable the IR port. The thinkpad configuration program should no longer complain of conflicts. Reboot yet again to activate the settings. You should then have both IR and serial port active. I had this same problem a week ago; I have a scanner on the serial port and sync to my PDA on IR; both are active simultaneously. Good luck. Benjamin > >I have disabled the Mwave DSP modem on my 770ED and replaced it with a >Megahertz combo Ethernet / Modem card. This has freed an IRQ on my system (3). >I have the RS-232 port on the back of the system configured at the moment. The >only way I could figure out how to do so was to disable the IR port. Now, I'd >like to re-enable the IR port, but it appears the only way to do that is to >disable the RS-232! > >Is there any way to have it all??? I'd like to be able to have my RS-232 port >connected to another computer AND use the IR port for things like printing or >PDA sync, without having to switch them both around and have a re-boot or two >each time I need to go from one to the other. > >Any help would be appreciated, even if it is an RTFM into the manuals I've >just received and haven't had a chance to read, yet. (BTW, the controls on the >755CE let me set IRQs, etc. for the various devices.) > >Thanks! > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 >Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers > >iQA/AwUBNnjJuWasl5Jijs7SEQLhWACfS9ihcDzO8ky9mw/CMWLAQEYJVBgAnjsg >fBT9o5sEe+ccVLcmbhQ0tjF+ >=PaZC >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >-- >Ron. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 05:23:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA27142 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16893; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:17:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16257; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mlc.de (mlc-rimnet.mlc.de [195.4.240.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16114; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:17:16 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by mail.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 412566DD.0038A49E ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:18:41 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MLC RATINGEN@MLCEXTERN To: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:17:06 +0100 Subject: Betr.: Re: 770X DVD region problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=OpVDZp5NEkpyW9J90CwvQmH0GgTxHEPYFucovvxa5zUKXXY1LQmxCTUu" List-Unsubscribe: --0__=OpVDZp5NEkpyW9J90CwvQmH0GgTxHEPYFucovvxa5zUKXXY1LQmxCTUu Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't get it ... the original problem is not about copying or piracy, but about wanting to play a DVD movie from another region. So what does the movie industry gain from making it impossible for me to watch American movies? Stefan Tilkov s.tilkov@computer.org |-------------> |(Embedded | |image moved | |to file: | |PIC01064.PCX)| |-------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------| | | |Bill Morrow | |17.12.98 08:27 | >------------------------------------------------------------------| An: John Kim cc: ThinkPad Mailing List (bcc: tpml) Thema: Re: 770X DVD region problem John.. good and lucid explanation.. my editorial: hollywood 'content' providers seem to want to be a wealthy as "Pearly" Gates who wants to be richer than god.. all endevor or risk should be rewarded.. but "How much is enough" ?? John Kim wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > > > The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these > > issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that > > let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key > > features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The > > IBM may not have had much choice. The record/movie industry > got a couple laws passed requiring certain types of digital > hardware that can be used to record/playback audio/video have > copy protection capabilities. There's an exception clause for > computers, but playing back DVD movies is a decidedly > un-computerlike capability. (These laws also require a tax be > pre-paid to these industries on all digital consumer hardware, > to compensate them for lost revenues due to potential piracy > by you.) That's what killed off DAT. > > Fun world we live in, eh? :-) > -- > John H. 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Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28245; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:22:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28114; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28102; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:21:22 -0500 Sender: skaja@earthlink.net Received: from earthlink.net (ip41.minneapolis6.mn.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.198.41]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id JAA12854; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:21:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36791411.3461301D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:24:17 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Have you tried leaving the computer plugged in while turned off? Does it charge then? I've dealt with a lot of older ThinkPads (755's mainly) that had faulty AC adapters. They worked enough to charge the battery when the PC was off and they could power the PC when on, but they couldn't charge the battery with the PC running. Seems to have been confined to those 75x style AC adapters (kind of a V-shaped, multi-pin plug), but maybe that's the style the 701 uses too? If you have access to another AC adapter (a co-worker?), try it. The 'Initialize' option should be under one of the main icons in the EZ Setup (maybe 'System Board'?). HTH, Rob Jonathan Berry wrote: > I have an IBM Thinkpad 701 Butterfly, now out of warranty. > > The computer always thinks that the battery is charged, no > matter how much it has run down! This is an NiMH battery. If I > leave the computer unplugged, after a while (used to be > minutes, now is 2-3 seconds) the screen goes blank and the > machine begins to click and the power light goes on and off. > Not a good variation. I'm thinking it might be better for me > at this point to not carry the battery at all. > > My question: what can I do? > Is there a (DOS?) utility which will tell the computer that the > darned battery is uncharged, turn on the charge light, let's > get on with it? > > Or a reset button? An IBM guy suggested to click "Initialize" > in the Configuration Utility. I've asked for further details, > but I couldn't see an "Initialize" there. > > I would guess that there was a hardware problem, except that > it also happened early in the computer's life. I don't > know or remember what fixed it then. I did find 1996 > references to the problem in the archives of this list, but no > solutions. I'm afraid that my batteries may now have so little > charge that they cannot wake up the faulty charging system ... > ? > > I don't know if it should make any difference, but a few months > back I obtained a second battery to extend the useful life of > the computer if away from a wall outlet. I think there is some > possibility that the 701 gets confused, it doesn't actually > test the battery's charge unless some (unknown to me) thing > happens. Otherwise it works from inference (as I am here!). > > And I upgraded to 8 + 32 = 40 MB RAM. This didn't seem to make > any difference, at the time, to the battery's projected charge > duration. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 09:43:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28882 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29547; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:42:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29414; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29389; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C6@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: skaja@earthlink.net, jberry@islandnet.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:39:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: One of the wird things about the 701 is that it only charges when turned on! > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [SMTP:skaja@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:24 AM > To: Jonathan Berry > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 > > Have you tried leaving the computer plugged in while turned off? [Huber, Robert] >>>> snip <<<<<< From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 10:03:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29087 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00926; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:01:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00829; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00781; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23383 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: 770X DVD region problem In-Reply-To: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > I don't get it ... the original problem is not about copying or piracy, but > about wanting to play a DVD movie from another region. > > So what does the movie industry gain from making it impossible for me to > watch American movies? The movie industry typically staggers the release of movies in various media to maximize profit, releasing from highest profit to least profit. First, they release to theaters, then pay per view, then cable TV, then videotape/DVD, and finally broadcast TV. They often do this at different times in different countries due to production delays dubbing and captioning. So a movie which has already been released in the U.S. may not hit Europe for almost a year. What the region code does is allow them to go ahead and release the movie in (say) the U.S. as DVD, while the movie is still in (say) theatres in Europe; without worrying that Europeans will buy the U.S. DVD by mail order (low profit) instead of going to the theatres (high profit). Because these laws are only in the U.S., DVD players which play back regardless of region code are available outside the U.S. Some of them are imported to the U.S. and can be purchased here. But my hunch is since Thinkpads are primarily made for sale in the U.S., IBM had to conform to those laws. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 10:14:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29208 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02040; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:12:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01916; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com (arl-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.217.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01904; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id KAA15370; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:11:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:10:46 -0500 From: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL Subject: Re: 770ED Win95 - C: Convert to FAT32? Sender: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL To: Ron Heiby , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199812171011_MC2-63FB-26AA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Ron, HI! I'm fairly certain you need to retain a mall FAT16 partition for your hibernation to work OK but I don't know the details. I'm sure someone here does but if he doesn't chime in give Bill Morrow a nudge Read your experience in getting the PC -- not only no free lunches, no cheap lunches either? Hugh Wyn Griffith Seminole, FL, USA Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 10:22:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29320 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02863; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02676; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02616; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial3.vramp.net (dial3.vramp.net [209.107.20.18]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29505 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812171520.KAA29505@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:15:44 -0500 Subject: Re: 755 hdd change Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19981216171504.006ea370@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 16 Dec 98, at 17:15, Donnie Hagan wrote: > I have 755ce with 540 meg hdd, I bought 1.08 gig, how can I transfer all > files to new drive? Also have dock II and I am trying to install > mediavision 2x scsi CD. Where can I find drivers or help? Thanks. If you've got an extra IDE or SCSI drive around with sufficient capacity you could install it in the Dock II, copy all the files to it from your old drive and then copy them back after you install your new HD. If you're looking to CLONE your old drive, rather than just copy files, I strongly urge the use of Drivecopy by Powerquest. Simply copying files from your old drive to your new one will not make the new one bootable. Good luck, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 10:23:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29330 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02827; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02649; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02620; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial3.vramp.net (dial3.vramp.net [209.107.20.18]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29508 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812171520.KAA29508@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:15:44 -0500 Subject: Re: 770ED - Both Serial & IR Ports? Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19981217095225.20691.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 17 Dec 98, at 1:52, Benjamin Koh wrote: > I have a 560X, but the same should apply to your 770ED. If you're > using Win95 like me, go to device manager (and the TP config program), > disable IR, enable the serial port and reboot. Use device manager again to > change the IRQ for the serial port - you can use any of the alternate > settings. Reboot to enable the changes. Enable the IR port. The thinkpad > configuration program should no longer complain of conflicts. Reboot yet > again to activate the settings. You should then have both IR and serial > port active. I had this same problem a week ago; I have a scanner on the > serial port and sync to my PDA on IR; both are active simultaneously. This works on my 760XL and all of my 755's. I have to think it would work on Ron's 770. I get full use of my modems, the RS232 connector and IRDA. Great when running Laplink95 or printing to my IR equipped HP LJ6MP. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 12:35:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01204 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11506; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:31:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11355; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (phr@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11325; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA26218 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:30:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:30:52 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199812171730.JAA26218@netcom5.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 and 770ed ram List-Unsubscribe: My understanding is the 770 (pmmx) and the 770ed (pII 266 mhz) take the same ram (both require sdram). I think the new 770x (pII 300 mhz, 100 mhz bus) may need faster ram. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 13:09:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01663 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13573; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:06:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13462; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13447; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-245.islandnet.com [139.142.112.245] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zqhno-000Ku8C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:39:12 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <36791411.3461301D@earthlink.net> Cc: skaja@earthlink.net Lines: 70 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, Rob ! In article <36791411.3461301D@earthlink.net>, Rob Bell wrote: :Have you tried leaving the computer plugged in while turned off? The 701 doesn't charge while the computer is turned off. It's designed that way. I do have the computer plugged in when it's in suspend mode, and evidently that doesn't charge the battery now. It used to, and you could see the battery charge light on for a while, and in due course it would go out, once the battery got to 100%. :Does :it charge then? I've dealt with a lot of older ThinkPads (755's mainly) :that had faulty AC adapters. They worked enough to charge the battery :when the PC was off and they could power the PC when on, but they :couldn't charge the battery with the PC running. Seems to have been :confined to those 75x style AC adapters (kind of a V-shaped, multi-pin :plug), but maybe that's the style the 701 uses too? The 701 AC adaptor is about the size of a "cigarette pack" with prongs that fold out. A plus of the 701 design. The computer end is very conventional. How can I describe it? Hole-in-hole ? : If you have access :to another AC adapter (a co-worker?), try it. Sorry, I don't know (face-to-face) anybody who has a 701. Calling Nanaimo, BC, Canada .... ? I'll put that on my list of things to do. :The 'Initialize' option should be under one of the main icons in the EZ :Setup (maybe 'System Board'?). The 701 Easy-Setup icons are: Config Date/Time Test Restart I don't see Initialize in any of them. Again, this would be a useful thing to put in a DOS utility (with appropriate safeguards). A new way to "cold boot" your machine!! One option I haven't discussed is to buy one of those 701 battery chargers. One model even has two bays. Anybody have experience with them? I wouldn't want to buy a charger that wrecked my two NiMH batteries. :HTH, :Rob : :Jonathan Berry wrote: : :> I have an IBM Thinkpad 701 Butterfly, now out of warranty. :> :> The computer always thinks that the battery is charged, no :> matter how much it has run down! This is an NiMH battery. If I :> leave the computer unplugged, after a while (used to be :> minutes, now is 2-3 seconds) the screen goes blank and the :> machine begins to click and the power light goes on and off. [etc] -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 13:27:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01929 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14865; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:24:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14742; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14709; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:21:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: jberry@islandnet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: skaja@earthlink.net Subject: RE: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:21:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: jberry@islandnet.com [SMTP:jberry@islandnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:39 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: skaja@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 > > > :The 'Initialize' option should be under one of the main icons in the EZ > :Setup (maybe 'System Board'?). > > The 701 Easy-Setup icons are: > Config > Date/Time > Test > Restart > [Huber, Robert] To reset the 701 to its original state (i.e., as it came from the factory): -Turn the computer off. - Depress and hold down both mouse buttons on the leading edge of the keyboard while turning the power on. - Continue to hold down both mouse buttons down until the system boots. HTH From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 13:29:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01968 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15133; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14868; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14710; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06458 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:23:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25975 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE29C0.40623470@ntmail.doble.com>; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Paul Rubin'" Subject: RE: 770 and 770ed ram Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:22:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, There seems to be many types of SDRAM (5 volt vs 3.3 volt, Buffered vs Unbuffered, etc) I found some of the characteristics are indicated by where the notches are on the connector. There also seems to be two types for bus speed. One for 75 MHz (or 66MHz?) and below and the other for 100 MHz bus. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU >---------- >From: Paul Rubin[SMTP:phr@netcom.com] >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:30 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: 770 and 770ed ram > >My understanding is the 770 (pmmx) and the 770ed (pII 266 mhz) >take the same ram (both require sdram). I think the new 770x >(pII 300 mhz, 100 mhz bus) may need faster ram. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 13:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01960 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14451; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14351; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14331; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25461 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I had a similar problem with my 701, except it always reported the battery as discharged. It simply wouldn't charge it. I had to send it to EZ Serv, where they said they replaced a defective charger unit in the TP. It could be that your charger is also defective (won't charge the battery), and that the charge meter is also defective (always reports full voltage/charge). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 14:05:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02453 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17134; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:52:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17029; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17009; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:51:54 -0500 Sender: rob_bell@csi.com Received: from rbell1 (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id NAA07257; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:50:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201be29ee$3460ffc0$e03d9faa@rbell1> From: "Rob Bell" To: "Jonathan Berry" , Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:51:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I would think the 'Initialize' option would be in the 'Config' section of EZ-Setup. I have no direct experience with the 701, however. Maybe check for a hardware maintenance manual on the IBM site or check your owner's manual if you have one. If all fails, check on www.ebay.com and see if someone has a 701 battery for sale. Good luck! Rob -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Berry >:The 'Initialize' option should be under one of the main icons in the EZ >:Setup (maybe 'System Board'?). > >The 701 Easy-Setup icons are: >Config >Date/Time >Test >Restart > >I don't see Initialize in any of them. Again, this would be a >useful thing to put in a DOS utility (with appropriate >safeguards). A new way to "cold boot" your machine!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 15:12:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03275 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21007; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:04:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20878; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20815; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21781 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: FLoppy for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000901be29f9$37c4c330$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Where is a source for a TP 701 external floppy? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 15:18:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03334 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21641; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:09:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21391; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21347; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-181.islandnet.com [139.142.112.181] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zqjii-000Kv6C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:10 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <001201be29ee$3460ffc0$e03d9faa@rbell1> Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <001201be29ee$3460ffc0$e03d9faa@rbell1>, "Rob Bell" wrote: :I would think the 'Initialize' option would be in the 'Config' section of :EZ-Setup. I have no direct experience with the 701, however. Maybe check :for a hardware maintenance manual on the IBM site or check your owner's :manual if you have one. : :If all fails, check on www.ebay.com and see if someone has a 701 battery for :sale. Actually, the problem may be with the AC adaptor or with the internal charger, but not likely with the battery. The battery meter shows it at 100% no matter what. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 15:22:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03379 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21526; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21295; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21258; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-181.islandnet.com [139.142.112.181] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zqjij-000Ku9C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:57:56 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Congratulations, Robert, you know more about the 701 than two IBM techs on the IBM forum! Unfortunately, it didn't help the problem. I initialized once with the (almost discharged) battery installed, and once with the battery not installed, then installing it. In both cases the Configuration Utility told me that the battery was 100% charged. Looks like I may be headed for an out-of-warranty repair job. Groan. Cheaper to buy a separate charger or two. In article <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com>, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: : : :> -----Original Message----- :> From: jberry@islandnet.com [SMTP:jberry@islandnet.com] :> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:39 AM :> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu :> Cc: skaja@earthlink.net :> Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 :> :> :> :The 'Initialize' option should be under one of the main icons in the EZ :> :Setup (maybe 'System Board'?). :> :> The 701 Easy-Setup icons are: :> Config :> Date/Time :> Test :> Restart :> : [Huber, Robert] To reset the 701 to its original state (i.e., as it :came from the factory): Excuse me for being pedantic, but it does not erase any BIOS upgrades you made since you got it from the factory. Thank goodness! : -Turn the computer off. : - Depress and hold down both mouse buttons on the leading edge of :the keyboard while turning the power on. : - Continue to hold down both mouse buttons down until the system :boots. : : HTH : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 16:23:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04234 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25333; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:01:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25100; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25082; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial22.vramp.net (dial22.vramp.net [209.107.20.37]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19065; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812172100.QAA19065@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: "Derek Seaman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:55:57 -0500 Subject: Re: FLoppy for 701 Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000901be29f9$37c4c330$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> References: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 17 Dec 98, at 12:09, Derek Seaman wrote: > Where is a source for a TP 701 external floppy? Check eBay, they frequently have them on there. This will get you to portable computers, then search for Thinkpad 701 and TP 701: http://listings.ebay.com/aw/listings/list/category177/index.html Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 17:09:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04877 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28661; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:03:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28350; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28268; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04874 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981217170554.0128c4c4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:05:54 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: 770ED vs. 770X In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F17C9@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I need to resolve this issue once and for all amongst my consultants I deploy. Currently, we have a pool of 12 notebooks (Had 16 in service, but in the process of selling off 3-4 755's, 760's and one 770). 6 of the units are usually set up as sniifers/dial-ins and lesser tasks (Salvage value is nil because of age, and they are functional sitting in a corner as they take big HDs and collect data). These are 750's and 755's. The other 6 are (3) 765, (3) 770 and (1) 770ED. Three of us do the core of the application development, and 4 do field/tech work. They are clamorin for x's, but would "settle" for ED's, and I feel the pull too to get a 770x (which means I would pass down my 770ED), but after reading the reviews, it doesn't seem the 770x offers that much more than the 770ED. I am tempted to get a few more 770EDs (If I HAVE to) at $2699 vs. $5k for the 770x. Has anyone actually run some benchmarks of these units vs. the 770ED vs. 770? I was able to locate some PC LABS testing of the 770 and 770ED, and placing them side by side, the ED isn't exactly crushing the 770 around in application tests (Mainly Office97/Access development and VB 6.0) it beats the 770 by 19%, 19%, and 32% in Winstone98, WinMark 98, and CPUmark respectively. I am also apprehensive about the resolution being TOO great for serious code crunchin' (And considering the fact that most apps we develop are geared towards 1024x768 or lesser screen real estate). This means if I even considered the 770x, it would be the 14.1" TFT model. The 8megs of SGRAM is basically irrelevent. It comes down to speed. Since I get to dictate what we buy, I am basically a ThinkHead through and through. :) I am pushing to skip the x series and if I can, even get the guys and gals to hold onto their machines now, but in the nicest, rational possible way. ;) So, in summary, the differences appear to be: P2-300 vs. P2-266 AGP vs. PCI 8megs of SGRAM vs. 4megs of SGRAM ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 18:22:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05877 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02665; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:20:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02557; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02530; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-219.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.219]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA16741; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:20:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812172320.PAA16741@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:20:05 -0800 To: "Derek Seaman" , In-Reply-To: <000901be29f9$37c4c330$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> Subject: Re: FLoppy for 701 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 List-Unsubscribe: On 12/17/98 "Derek Seaman" said: >Where is a source for a TP 701 external floppy? Again? BG Micro still lists them on page 17 towards the bottom right. Com1111. $12.50. It is branded Dell but I hear it works fine on the tp if you have the right cable. The cable that comes with it does not work on the tp. Ah, here we go: >In <01BDBD48.0FB11380.Brianb@datasync.com>, on 08/01/98 at 11:04 AM, > Brian Bream said: >>Here is some useful 701 floppy stuff: >>Floppy drive: Dell ext Laptop floppy (Black case, Dell branded) works >>with my 701 available from: >>http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 >>the price is $12.50 + S&H >>Floppy drive: IBM part# 10H4056 $76.75 >>Floppy drive cable: IBM part# 04H6916 $29.00 >>EPP cable and FDD cable pack (Floppy and Parallel cable) IBM part# >>10H4070 $45.25 (This is a FRU for Part number 10H4069 that has been >>discontinued) >>Available from who else (IBM) :-) Hope this helps. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 19:08:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06455 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04545; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:01:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04450; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04424; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA53612; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:02:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: 770X DVD region problem In-Reply-To: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> Message-ID: Organization: Yeshiva University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: They want you to pay more to get the movie in your country instead of buying a US release which comes out earlier, and is probably cheaper. Also they don't want you buying the movie on DVD while it's still showing in movie theaters near you. It's all about money. In Hong Kong you can buy DVD players that work with all regions. On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > I don't get it ... the original problem is not about copying or piracy, but > about wanting to play a DVD movie from another region. > > So what does the movie industry gain from making it impossible for me to > watch American movies? > > Stefan Tilkov > s.tilkov@computer.org > > > > |-------------> > |(Embedded | > |image moved | > |to file: | > |PIC01064.PCX)| > |-------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > |Bill Morrow | > |17.12.98 08:27 | > >------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > An: John Kim > cc: ThinkPad Mailing List (bcc: tpml) > Thema: Re: 770X DVD region problem > > > > > John.. > good and lucid explanation.. > my editorial: > hollywood 'content' providers seem to want to be a wealthy as "Pearly" > Gates who wants to be richer than god.. > all endevor or risk should be rewarded.. but "How much is enough" ?? > > John Kim wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > > > > > The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these > > > issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that > > > let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key > > > features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The > > > > IBM may not have had much choice. The record/movie industry > > got a couple laws passed requiring certain types of digital > > hardware that can be used to record/playback audio/video have > > copy protection capabilities. There's an exception clause for > > computers, but playing back DVD movies is a decidedly > > un-computerlike capability. (These laws also require a tax be > > pre-paid to these industries on all digital consumer hardware, > > to compensate them for lost revenues due to potential piracy > > by you.) That's what killed off DAT. > > > > Fun world we live in, eh? :-) > > -- > > John H. Kim > > kim@stormhaven.org > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 19:15:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06544 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05279; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:14:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05186; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [207.229.143.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05174; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26485 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1998 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from usrx2-236.chi-focal.enteract.com (207.229.172.236) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 00:14:04 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: 770X DVD region problem Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:14:12 GMT Message-ID: <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> In-Reply-To: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:17:06 +0100, you wrote: >I don't get it ... the original problem is not about copying or piracy, = but >about wanting to play a DVD movie from another region. > >So what does the movie industry gain from making it impossible for me to >watch American movies? =09 I've got a stand-alone DVD player, so I lurk on the DVD groups quite a bit. It's my understanding that the rationale behind the different regions was concern about people from another country staying home to watch a movie that was in theatres there while it's already on DVD elsewhere - cutting into ticket sales. With a decent home theater setup, the advantages of the DVD format will tempt everyone but a devout moviephile to stay home and watch the movie rather than on the big screen. epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 19:35:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06769 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06421; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:33:10 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06326; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id TAA00512 for dist-thinkpad; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09476; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30049 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:01:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04741 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE29B4.A6464DF0@ntmail.doble.com>; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: RE: [TP770ED] DVD output on TV only black+white Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:59:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Yes I read the message and did not pick up on this. I have a TVRO setup and occasionally pick up PAL feeds. PAL appears B&W on my NTSC television. I have another multistandard television that I use for PAL (I have a multstandard VCR as well) that displays it properly. It may play all right on the computer because the digital output of the MPEG-2 decoder is converted to the proper memory organization of the video card and stuffed in the proper place. Because you have the proper luminance and color all separated out the frame rates are the major difference between PAL and NTSC. To play it on the TV the digital output of the MPEG-2 decoder has to go through a video encoder chip that converts the digital information to the proper analog video format. Beside the color encoding being different the color subcarrier is 3.58 MHz for NTSC in the US and 4.43 MHz for PAL. Some countries use NTSC with a 4.43 MHz subcarrier. Most video encoder chips I have seen will do both PAL and NTSC video output. It gets really fun when you go from composite video and audio to a RF modulated signal. There are several different schemes of where the sound carrier goes, modulation methods, etc. This gives rise to PAL B, PAL G, NTSC M, etc. So the tuner part may not handle the signal but if you can get down to the A/V level then things get easier. There are some interesting web pages about video standards and video conversion out there. I am interested in this because I own several receivers that can receive MPEG-2 based video off of satellites. I have not gotten a DVD yet but may in a few months (mainly used as a bigger data storage medium). It would be great if someone could come out with a consumer MPEG-2 encoder so people could record video on DVD. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU >---------- >From: Andreas Michaelides[SMTP:andreas@xtra.co.nz] >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:13 PM >To: Thinkpad >Subject: Re: [TP770ED] DVD output on TV only black+white > >Definately sounds like you are playing to the wrong TV system. I don't know >what format your test DVD disk is in: NTSC or PAL,(it should say on the >Jewel Case somewhere), but playing an American NTSC disk on a PAL TV will >definately screw up the colors, or more. I'm not sure if you can get SECAM >DVD's, but PAL and SECAM are almost identical and used a lot in Europe, but >the colors will get lost playing one on the other. > >Here in NZ, most new TV's handle all systems so this is not a problem. > >Using the TV as an external monitor, you can switch from NTSC to PAL in the >Thinkpad config program, try that and see the effects. > >I'm guessing your TV cannot handle the Video system the DVD is encoded in, >but it will show up on the LCD display no matter what system it is in. > >Hope this helps, >Andreas!! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 17 19:57:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07037 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02202; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:16:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02092; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.thegrid.net (smtp.thegrid.net [209.162.1.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02059; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2611 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1998 23:16:25 -0000 Received: from pop.thegrid.net (209.162.1.5) by smtp.thegrid.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 23:16:25 -0000 Received: from tp-770e (oak-ts2-h1-49-234.ispmodems.net [209.162.49.234]) by pop.thegrid.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27430 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:16:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00c101be2a13$1b44ee00$ea31a2d1@tp-770e> From: "AS" To: Subject: Unsubscribe yelloweclipse@thegrid.net Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:15:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe yelloweclipse@thegrid.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 02:41:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11087 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04776; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:39:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04622; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (root@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04609; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from warre.Stanford.EDU (jgo@warre.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.125]) by crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28457; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgo@localhost) by warre.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05500; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:53:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: "John G. Olyarchuk" Sender: jgo@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU To: Mark Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED vs. 770X In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981217170554.0128c4c4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > > So, in summary, the differences appear to be: > > P2-300 vs. P2-266 > AGP vs. PCI > 8megs of SGRAM vs. 4megs of SGRAM Regarding AGP vs PCI, the TP770X has an AGP CPU, but the IBM web site lists the graphics bus interface as PCI. However, for the TP600 with an AGP CPU, it lists the graphics bus interface as AGP. Can someone explain this discrepancy? Does the fact that the 770x graphics subsystem not have an AGP interface mean that it can not make use of this feature? -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 07:58:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA12789 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02859; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01519; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01467; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (59.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.123]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA11226; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679F5D4.29822039@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:27:32 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and 770ed ram References: <199812171730.JAA26218@netcom5.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its all the same, except the 770X has one of the DIMM sockets reversed.. thus what would physically fit in the 770, 770E series will only fit one of the two 770X DIMM sockets.. what is sold now is 100% compatible, BUT there may be some older parts that are not, see above... most manufacturers will swap them out.. the 770X is not a 100mhz buss, it is 66mhz.. 100mhz SDRAM needs to meet more stringent conditions, obviously.. :-) Paul Rubin wrote: > My understanding is the 770 (pmmx) and the 770ed (pII 266 mhz) > take the same ram (both require sdram). I think the new 770x > (pII 300 mhz, 100 mhz bus) may need faster ram. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 08:14:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12923 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02857; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01508; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01483; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (59.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.123]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA12239; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:32:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679F774.DF28909E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:34:28 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Wyn Griffith FL CC: Ron Heiby , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 770ED Win95 - C: Convert to FAT32? References: <199812171011_MC2-63FB-26AA@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hugh.. been nudged.. uhh, the fat16 requirement is for the 701 only (so far), because the 701 bios creats the hibernate file and does not recognise FAT32.. in all (most all) other TP's, a utility creates the hibernate file and so far, the hib. file does not care if its FAT16 or 32 as long as it is FAT.. Hugh Wyn Griffith FL wrote: > Ron, > > HI! > > I'm fairly certain you need to retain a mall FAT16 partition for your > hibernation to work OK but I don't know the details. > > I'm sure someone here does but if he doesn't chime in give Bill Morrow a > nudge > > Read your experience in getting the PC -- not only no free lunches, no > cheap lunches either? > > Hugh Wyn Griffith > Seminole, FL, USA > Using Virtual Access OLR on Win98 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 08:16:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12956 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02865; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01558; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01469; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (59.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.123]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10821; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:23:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679F52E.D994B67E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:24:46 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED Win95 - C: Convert to FAT32? References: <3.0.5.32.19981217020615.0082d300@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ron.. 1. use PQM ver. 4 2. convert "C:" to fat32, 3. expand into the freespace.. and if not already freespace, then make it so.. 4. you should have no problem creating pm_hiber.bin note: you can nor restore from the recovery CD with a fat32 "C:" drive.. it would need to be converted back to FAT16.. what I do is create a backup of my virgin preload on another HDD (network or the like) and then if i want to restore i just copy the whole thing back.. or to another HDD.. all FAT32.. Ron Heiby wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On my new 770ED, the C: partition arrived as a FAT16 partition. I have > Partition Magic, and know how to use it to convert the partition to FAT32. Is > there anything I need to be aware of in doing this on a ThinkPad? For example, > will I screw up my Hibernation ability? If so, is there a way to work around > that, or do I need to disable Hibernation? Anything else? > > Thanks! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNni7a2asl5Jijs7SEQKrowCgiQmkIM+9bnDPisgkEpVNsm3Jf8sAmwRX > m/RIWR7KtTH6GNnmBgNSkh/D > =7tIy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 08:19:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12986 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02863; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01510; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01475; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (59.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.123]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA11849; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:29:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3679F6B7.FC7D9DEC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:31:19 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Stefan.. it is all about $$ and WHEN you get the DVD CD of a particular movie.. not piracy.. Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: > I don't get it ... the original problem is not about copying or piracy, but > about wanting to play a DVD movie from another region. > > So what does the movie industry gain from making it impossible for me to > watch American movies? > > Stefan Tilkov > s.tilkov@computer.org > > |-------------> > |(Embedded | > |image moved | > |to file: | > |PIC01064.PCX)| > |-------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > |Bill Morrow | > |17.12.98 08:27 | > >------------------------------------------------------------------| > > An: John Kim > cc: ThinkPad Mailing List (bcc: tpml) > Thema: Re: 770X DVD region problem > > John.. > good and lucid explanation.. > my editorial: > hollywood 'content' providers seem to want to be a wealthy as "Pearly" > Gates who wants to be richer than god.. > all endevor or risk should be rewarded.. but "How much is enough" ?? > > John Kim wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > > > > > > The fact that the movie industry is so paranoid about these > > > issues is one, but the fact that IBM sells computers that > > > let you unwillingly completely disable one of the key > > > features it sells the machines for, bothers me a lot. The > > > > IBM may not have had much choice. The record/movie industry > > got a couple laws passed requiring certain types of digital > > hardware that can be used to record/playback audio/video have > > copy protection capabilities. There's an exception clause for > > computers, but playing back DVD movies is a decidedly > > un-computerlike capability. (These laws also require a tax be > > pre-paid to these industries on all digital consumer hardware, > > to compensate them for lost revenues due to potential piracy > > by you.) That's what killed off DAT. > > > > Fun world we live in, eh? :-) > > -- > > John H. Kim > > kim@stormhaven.org > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: PIC01064.PCX > PIC01064.PCX Type: PCX Image Document (application/x-unknown-content-type-PCXImage.Document) > Encoding: base64 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 08:56:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13228 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04612; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:54:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04427; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pproxy01.gol.ad.jp (pproxy01.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04376; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-183.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-183.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.183]) by pproxy01.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id WAA19847; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:53:35 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: beusertalk@be.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: TP380XD: BeOS R4 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:23:41 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: Just a note to say that I've managed to install BeOS R4 on my wife's Japanese-spec IBM ThinkPad 380XD (P-MMX 233, 430TX chipset, NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chip, CS4237B audio chip, 3.2-GB HDD [with the BeOS in a 500-MB partition], 24x internal IDE CD-ROM drive, 3-mode floppy drive, 96 MB RAM). The installation from the BeOS boot floppy and CD-ROM was very smooth, although it defaulted to a 640x480 screen and a US keyboard layout. Both these settings were easily changed by going into Preferences and selecting the 800x600 screen and the Japanese keyboard layout. Sound is functional. Over the weekend I'll try some of the other things (like dialup networking). -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD BeDevID 7849 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 10:12:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13926 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10447; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:08:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10265; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10237; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:06:57 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id KAA10754 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367A6F74.3AB60DD@csc.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:06:28 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown wrote: > I've got a stand-alone DVD player, so I lurk on the DVD groups > quite a bit. It's my understanding that the rationale behind the > different regions was concern about people from another country > staying home to watch a movie that was in theatres there while it's > already on DVD elsewhere - cutting into ticket sales. With a decent > home theater setup, the advantages of the DVD format will tempt > everyone but a devout moviephile to stay home and watch the movie > rather than on the big screen. > epbrown Oh, yeah... those media companies wouldn't want to give consumers the choice to do what they want. Nope, they do whatever it takes to make as much $&^%*&* money as they can regardless if it's what the consumers prefer. Isn't that what competition is for? To avoid monopolies that can set whatever rules they want even if the consumer gets the short end of the stick... Where is the competition in this industry? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 10:23:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14055 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11451; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:20:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11300; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11254; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA10545 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:59 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA25072 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812181518.QAA25072@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Looking for 701C To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:49 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm interested in buying a tp 701C (TFT), preferably the 75MHz version, and preferably with as many memory (both RAM and HD) as I can get. My questions here are: - What is a reasonable price for this? Could I expect go get anything for US$ 450.00? - What should come with the computer? Dock II (+ adapter)? What else? - Is there a known source for the 701C? I found that most auctions on eBay e.g. ban non-Americans from participating since they set rules foreigners (German in my case) can not meet (COD, US-post-thingy prepaid...) Thanks in advance for any advice (or maybe you always wanted to get rid of your 701C anyway?) Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 13:18:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16692 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21844; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:09:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21624; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21601; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA14721; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:09:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:45:20 -0600 To: Rob Bell From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <367A6F74.3AB60DD@csc.com> References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Although off-topic for the thinkpad mailing list, I thought I'd just dash off a quick note to clear up Rob's confusion on economics. (Note: I think the whole "region code" business pretty much stinks, too.) At 09:06 AM 12/18/98 -0600, Rob Bell wrote: >Oh, yeah... those media companies wouldn't want to give consumers the >choice to do what they want. The company is not in business to let consumers do whatever they want. >Nope, they do whatever it takes to make as much $&^%*&* money as they >can regardless if it's what the consumers prefer. Yes, that's right. That is what the company is in business for. Of course, if enough of the customers decide that they prefer not to purchase the company's product, then the company will not be making as much money. Seems to me that Lotus figured that out many years ago, when they dropped copy protection from 1-2-3. >Isn't that what competition is for? To avoid monopolies that >can set whatever rules they want even if the consumer gets the >short end of the stick... Well, that's one thing that competition can, in some circumstances, provide. >Where is the competition in this industry? The competition is in attempting to bring to the consumer those movies which will produce the most profit for the company. Different companies make different movies with different talent. You wouldn't say that 20th Century Fox has a monopoly on Star Wars movies, any more than you would say that Picasso had a monopoly on Picasso drawings. Without the Region Code, the owners of the movies (the Studios) would have to make a more complex decision on domestic (US) release, similar to that made for VHS tapes. "Do we make more money by releasing on video ASAP, while the movie is still fresh in people's minds? Or, do we wait until the theatrical showings around the world are done?" With tapes, this isn't all that big a deal, as the conversion from NTSC to PAL (for much of the world) can reduce the quality of the result enough that many people will still see the movie in the theaters. This should not be the case with DVD, hence the difficulty. The studios and manufacturers agreeing on the Region Code junk is no more wrong / illegal than the auto companies and the oil companies agreeing on the attributes of gasoline or motor oil. And now, we return you to our discussion of ThinkPad computers, already in progress. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnqUlGasl5Jijs7SEQIhQgCg0IuRy5IrFVv96/tbHpBam8zrU7cAoMMZ O6sAs/XrXyKRSR2x5LH5mIXM =QcsH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 13:56:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17097 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24861; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:49:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24747; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24714; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:47:49 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id NAA08262 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:47:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367AA343.C29D2B09@csc.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:47:31 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem (off-topic) References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: (This post has nothing to do directly with ThinkPads, and very little to do with DVD so delete it if you aren't interested in the thread. This is the last message I'll add to this thread) Ron Heiby wrote: [a good explanation of why the DVD situation is what it is] Thanks Ron. I was aware of what you described. However, I was just expressing frustration that the DVD situation is an example of so many business' narrow focus on the ultimate profits. And yes, I do know that that's what businesses are there for - profit. But a business doesn't HAVE to be geared solely towards sucking as much money as it possibly can from their customers. Some businesses also attempt to please their customers and win more business by providing the customer with more of what they want instead of molding the situation into the highest profit scheme at the expense of the customer. I don't go to work every day just to squeeze as much money as possible >from my clients. I am there to do a job, to achieve business goals, and to leave the client with a lot of value for their money. It helps them get what they want, it helps me stay in business at a comfortable level, and it usually ensures future voluntary business from that client (they could go elsewhere you know). That's a big difference from the theater/video/dvd/tv scheme that exerts all the force it can into making sure the consumer is milked of as much money as they are possibly willing to part with in a monopoly-like situation. Nothing about that scheme attempts to add any value to the consumers' experience above and beyond the bare minimum that the consumer demands (the movie). And so, an off-shoot of this business practice is the fact that computers are artificially crippled (by DVD region, etc.) to protect the $$$ interests of the media companies. Their practices do have some negatives for them: I go to very few movies in theaters. I rent very few movies. I buy very few videos. If the movies were available for on-demand in-home viewing when they first came out and are heavily advertised, I would be willing to pay movie theater prices to watch them. Of course that would deprive the theaters of the extra $5 popcorn and $3 pop sales... I'm sure I'm not unique in these habits. And yes, this is my final (off-topic) comment on the DVD situation. Thanks, Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 14:44:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17807 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28364; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:41:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28172; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28034; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-114-197.bellatlantic.net [151.198.114.197]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00346 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:41:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367AAF6D.57D941C7@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:39:26 -0500 From: Mike Reply-To: mmonte@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: TP 560E Battery Time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP 560E.(166 mmx, 80 megs). How long can I expect the battery to last on a single charge? I understand that this depends on several factors but I am longing for an average range.. For the most part I am getting less than one hour. Also is there any special procedures I must do to this battery on occasion. Thanks, Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 16:18:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19244 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04473; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:14 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04221; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA05011 for dist-thinkpad; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.hotmail.com [207.82.250.44]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29861; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1673 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1998 19:58:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19981218195850.1672.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.64.198.101 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:58:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [171.64.198.101] From: "Benjamin Koh" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 560E Battery Time Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:58:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Well, I have a 560X (233mmx, with 96 megs) so the battery life should be similar or slightly better on mine. I've timed it on several occasions with a new battery (manufactured this september) and with full speed (all power conservation disabled) and running scandisk nonstop, I get 1:45 to 1:50 all the time. Without scandisk but playing mp3's nonstop I also get 1:45. The backlight doesn't appear to impact battery life - different settings still get me 1:45. With CPU at half speed I get approx 3 hrs running Word 95. You're supposed to run the battery down once a week or so. For me I just run it until hibernation kicks in, then I plug it in again. For you to get just 1 hour is bad - maybe your battery needs replacement. I had a defective battery shipped with my unit - it cut off power unexpectedly. EZ serve replaced it overnight. I hope your system is still under warranty :-) remember that many credit cards also provide an additional year of warranty so you may still be covered anyway. Good luck Benjamin >I have a TP 560E.(166 mmx, 80 megs). How long can I expect the battery >to last on a single charge? I understand that this depends on several >factors but I am longing for an average range.. For the most part I am >getting less than one hour. > >Also is there any special procedures I must do to this battery on >occasion. > >Thanks, > >Mike > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 18:19:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20876 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10897; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:16:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10771; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10758; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pp111-167.bctel.ca [209.52.111.167] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0186_367a_de98_f341; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:00:40 -0800 Message-ID: <002601be2ada$1e5e82a0$0200005a@thinkpad> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:59:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Canadians buy the same DVD players as those in the US. We are both Region 1. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Berry Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 11:55 AM Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem >From the consumers' point of view, it would be better to have >the region code limitations expire after a certain period (six >months? one year?). I don't see how that would harm the movie >companies' legitimate interests. > >Can you get DVD players in Canada that are multi-region, or are >we one big happy family with nuestros primos? > >-- >cheers >Jonathan > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 18:21:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20904 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04477; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:43 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04312; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA05026 for dist-thinkpad; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00327; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-180.islandnet.com [139.142.112.180] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zr68s-000KvQC for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:55:59 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >From the consumers' point of view, it would be better to have the region code limitations expire after a certain period (six months? one year?). I don't see how that would harm the movie companies' legitimate interests. Can you get DVD players in Canada that are multi-region, or are we one big happy family with nuestros primos? -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 18 23:51:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24177 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20365; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:49:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20206; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pa.mother.com (pa.mother.com [198.93.80.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20161; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mother.com (l1p60.dav.mother.com [207.104.33.252]) by pa.mother.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17220; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:49:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199812190449.UAA17220@pa.mother.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:49:17 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: "MIC SANCHEZ" Subject: new OS/2 user X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b48 List-Unsubscribe: Aloha, I too am using a 380d with OS/2 Warp4 installed. I will help you am must as I am capable of doing. I have experience with Warp on Desktops also. Good luck. Bill Snell ----------------------------------------------------------- wrsnell@mother.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 19 09:47:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27429 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11818; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:44:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11567; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11548; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from halveyc (slip129-37-124-203.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.124.203]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA40462 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:44:40 GMT Message-ID: <001101be2b5e$7cd66c60$cb7c2581@smh.com> From: "Cornelius Halvey" To: Subject: 770ED DVD Problem Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:45:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE2B34.6202D880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE2B34.6202D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday and already there's a problem. I'm hoping somebody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong. After I = turned it on I registered the Win95 software and set the preferences (time = zone, etc). First thing I wanted to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 = inch screen. Unfortunately, two discs that I tried were unplayable. The = SoftDVD program says my country and region codes don't match! And, there's a = nice "X" next to Region one (USA). I call IBM and they suggested I format the drive and reinstall from the recovery CD. This I did but it didn't help. What is going on? I know = the CDs are region one; they play fine in a TP 600. Any help would be appreciated. Neil TP 600 PII/266 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE2B34.6202D880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings,

Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday = and=20 already there's a problem.  I'm
hoping somebody out there can = tell me=20 what I'm doing wrong.  After I turned
it on I registered the = Win95=20 software and set the preferences (time zone,
etc).  First thing = I wanted=20 to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 inch
screen.  = Unfortunately,=20 two discs that I tried were unplayable.  The SoftDVD
program = says my=20 country and region codes don't match!  And, there's a = nice
"X"=20 next to Region one (USA).

I call IBM and they suggested I format = the=20 drive and reinstall from the
recovery CD.  This I did but it = didn't=20 help.  What is going on?  I know the
CDs are region one; = they play=20 fine in a TP 600.

Any help would be = appreciated.

Neil

TP=20 600 PII/266
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE2B34.6202D880-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 19 12:42:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28334 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16199; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:40:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16095; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16082; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03454 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:40:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 19 Dec 98 18:40:45 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 19 Dec 98 18:40:27 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.176) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 19 Dec 98 18:40:17 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by Magrathea.stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08762 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:34:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199812190934.KAA08762@Magrathea.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:34:42 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 760XD - Palm III / WorkPad List-Unsubscribe: Hi! Is there anybody arround how got Hotsync between Palm III and a 760XD via IR working? Especially using PilotLink (OS/2 or Linux)? Tried to set up unsucessufully, so any hint may be appreciated. I think the curx is to get the pilot "think" that he's syncing via the craddle but using IR instead. But I simply don't get it working. The both even don't see each other. Although using ZOC I can see some traffic coming in via IR. Thanks in advance! -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 00:21:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03735 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04610; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:19:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04382; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04369; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-121.usc.edu [128.125.224.121]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA09894; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:19:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981219211651.00ab0100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:18:39 -0800 To: "Alexander Wagner" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 760XD - Palm III / WorkPad In-Reply-To: <199812190934.KAA08762@Magrathea.stelarcom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:34 AM 12/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anybody arround how got Hotsync between Palm III and a 760XD via IR >working? Especially using PilotLink (OS/2 or Linux)? Tried to set up >unsucessufully, so any hint may be appreciated. > >I think the curx is to get the pilot "think" that he's syncing via the >craddle but using IR instead. But I simply don't get it working. The both >even don't see each other. Although using ZOC I can see some traffic coming >in via IR. Worked fine on both my TP560 and my current TP600 using Win 95, but recently installed Win 98 and can't get it to work. What you need to get is a freely available Pilot app called "IR Sync". Once you have that, the synch is a breeze (assuming you can configure your PC right--so far, I've not had any luck in Win 98). ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 01:11:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04110 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05837; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:10:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05750; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05738; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA18052; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:10:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C9542.88E0E642@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:12:18 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cornelius Halvey CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED DVD Problem References: <001101be2b5e$7cd66c60$cb7c2581@smh.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3134D6B282967ADB2C7B98CE" List-Unsubscribe: --------------3134D6B282967ADB2C7B98CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corneilus.. try reloading the DVD application.. Cornelius Halvey wrote: > Greetings, > > Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday and already there's a problem. I'm > > hoping somebody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong. After I > turned > it on I registered the Win95 software and set the preferences (time > zone, > etc). First thing I wanted to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 > inch > screen. Unfortunately, two discs that I tried were unplayable. The > SoftDVD > program says my country and region codes don't match! And, there's a > nice > "X" next to Region one (USA). > > I call IBM and they suggested I format the drive and reinstall from > the > recovery CD. This I did but it didn't help. What is going on? I > know the > CDs are region one; they play fine in a TP 600. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Neil > > TP 600 PII/266 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------3134D6B282967ADB2C7B98CE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corneilus..
try reloading the DVD application..
 

Cornelius Halvey wrote:

  Greetings,

Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday and already there's a problem.  I'm
hoping somebody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong.  After I turned
it on I registered the Win95 software and set the preferences (time zone,
etc).  First thing I wanted to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 inch
screen.  Unfortunately, two discs that I tried were unplayable.  The SoftDVD
program says my country and region codes don't match!  And, there's a nice
"X" next to Region one (USA).

I call IBM and they suggested I format the drive and reinstall >from the
recovery CD.  This I did but it didn't help.  What is going on?  I know the
CDs are region one; they play fine in a TP 600.

Any help would be appreciated.

Neil

TP 600 PII/266

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg),
760ED(3.0gig, 104meg),
701C(6.3gig, 40meg),
755CE(no gig, 40meg),
750C(no gig, 4meg),
IBM WorkPad(1meg)

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------3134D6B282967ADB2C7B98CE-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 01:24:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04171 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06394; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06309; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06297; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (43.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10591; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367C9837.EF01466D@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:24:55 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: Rob Bell , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gentlemen.. Ron Heiby wrote: **SNIP** > The studios and manufacturers agreeing on the Region Code junk is no more > wrong / illegal than the auto companies and the oil companies agreeing on the > attributes of gasoline or motor oil. > **SNIP** Bad parallel..! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 21:11:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA10931 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26263; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:09:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26171; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26155; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA01431 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:09:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981219201758.008494e0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:17:58 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: AC Adapter - Static Sensitive?!? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Along with my new 770ED, I purchased an extra AC adapter. I just unwrapped it, and was surprised to see the inner plastic bag sealed with a sticker reading: Attention Static-Sensitive Devices Handle Only at Static-Safe Workstations Reuseable Container Do Not Destroy Well, I'm pretty sure that I don't believe that the AC adapter is actually all that static sensitive. And, I sure as heck am not going to restrict my use of the AC adapter to "Static-Safe Workstations". And, I've got zip-lock freezer bags that are more substantial than the flimsy plastic "Reuseable Container" it arrived in. This isn't a complaint -- just something I found odd -- as if the packing department ran out of all the normal labels, and had to make due with what they had lying around. Oh, and while we're on the subject of the AC adapter and labels, has anyone noticed all of the pictograms on the current crop of adapter labels? I'm sure that it is for international use and understanding, but I recognize and understand only a few of the pictograms on this guy. We have the following. (All are in white on black, unless otherwise noted.) - A lightning bolt arrow inside an equilateral triangle (black on yellow) - A screwdriver within a slashed circle (black on yellow) - An "H" within a circle (green on white) - An "=" within a diamond (black on white) - A "U" and an "L" and (an "R" within a circle) within a circle - A 270 degree arc containing a stylized "SA" with an ("R" within a circle) next to the "A" - A 180 degree arc - A 180 degree arc with a radius drawn from the mid-point on the arc to the center of the circle which would be described by the completion of the arc - An "S" within a circle - A stylized "SK" in which the top portion of the "S" becomes a horizontal line connecting the two top ends of the "K" and a horizontal also continues >from the "S" connecting the bottom two ends of the "K" - A dash and a "T" within an equilateral triangle with a point down - An "FI" within a circle - An "N" within a circle - A "D" within a circle - A telephone There are a couple others for which I would need a magnifying glass to make out, along with words in at least one non-Roman script. I only hope all this isn't supposed to be trying to communicate something to *me*! :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNnxeT2asl5Jijs7SEQI+QACfYNQwCOB/VDT4UU0Q0ngAELu+r1EAoLPv /ouDLgBQQiwk1lPoZ5grJoO8 =ADbq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 21:37:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11141 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27147; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:36:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27045; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fh102.infi.net (fh102.infi.net [208.131.160.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27032; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (pm1-47.jax.infi.net [206.154.153.47]) by fh102.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16871 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:36:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367DB489.5A96@tu.infi.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:38:01 -0500 From: "David O. Booher" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 20 22:41:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11630 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29759; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:39:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29644; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29631; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA04143; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:37:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981220211653.00873ac0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:16:53 -0600 To: Bill Morrow From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem Cc: Rob Bell , ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <367C9837.EF01466D@icanect.net> References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 01:24 AM 12/20/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote, in response to my comparison with gasoline and motor oil standards: >Bad parallel..! How so? Studios own movies. Consumer Electronics companies produce devices that allow consumers to use those movies. Oil companies own oil. Auto companies produce devices that allow consumers to use that oil. Studios work with C.E. companies on standards for interoperability between movies and devices. Oil and Auto companies work together on standards for interoperability between oil and vehicles. How is it OK for oil companies and auto companies to get together to decide on the standards for gasoline, but it is not OK for movie companies and C.E. companies to get together to decide on standards for movie distribution media? If someone thinks that the region code stuff is illegal, they should provide some reference to the law(s) being violated. If someone think that it is wrong, and not just inconvenient for those of us who would like to import DVDs >from some other region, then they should explain exactly how it is wrong / wicked / evil / immoral / etc. If the region code crap is inconvenient enough that people refuse to buy DVDs because of it, then the studios will come to their senses and stop using that mechanism on the movies they produce. If people buy the movies anyway, then it must not be all that inconvenient to enough of the movie purchasing public, and they will continue to use it. So, the obvious solution is to stop buying region coded DVDs, and try to convince others that the inconvenience of not being able to import a movie from somewhere else over-weighs the benefits of the DVD format. BTW, I think that DIVX is a *FAR* worse abomination than region codes. If we are going to spend cycles fighting against stupid and inconvenient schemes by movie studios to maximize their profit, then we should be spending them fighting DIVX. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNn28yGasl5Jijs7SEQLpcwCg/FtLJ2Gg+5GEcIEOxiQuTwASQf8AnRcy OiFPSw6suNFFnC8SN/IU1qKx =X+CG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 00:29:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12431 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03149; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:27:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03036; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03024; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (13.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.77]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA25014; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:27:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367DDCAB.31530CC2@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:29:15 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: Rob Bell , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <412566DD.00385377.00@mail.mlc.de> <36813d51.3161873@smtp.enteract.com> <3.0.5.32.19981218114520.008a7420@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19981220211653.00873ac0@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ron.. i agree with you, but oil companies don't encode the gasoline so it will only work on cars built in the USA or UK or Argentina.. gas is gas and it'll work in most any car.. this was my only disagreement with that parallel.. as far as DIVX goes, i won't buy one, ever.. never.. nor will i buy a DIVX player.. or a dual DVD/DIVX player.. i don't even bother to copy VHS tapes, i rent one from time to time, then send them back.. i buy one when its about $10 and if the movie is one i would watch again.. (very very few qualify for this).. when video tapes first came out, movies were $100 and the tapes were $25~, so it paid for people to make bootleg copies.. now the cost enables easy acquisition of legit copies.. soon DVDF/DIVX writers will be available, thenm the costs will come down to where its not cost effective to make a copy, just eithjer rent one or buy it or wait for the network tv release.. :-) Ron Heiby wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 01:24 AM 12/20/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote, in response to my comparison > with gasoline and motor oil standards: > >Bad parallel..! > > How so? > > Studios own movies. Consumer Electronics companies produce devices that allow > consumers to use those movies. Oil companies own oil. Auto companies produce > devices that allow consumers to use that oil. > > Studios work with C.E. companies on standards for interoperability between > movies and devices. Oil and Auto companies work together on standards for > interoperability between oil and vehicles. > > How is it OK for oil companies and auto companies to get together to decide on > the standards for gasoline, but it is not OK for movie companies and C.E. > companies to get together to decide on standards for movie distribution media? > > If someone thinks that the region code stuff is illegal, they should provide > some reference to the law(s) being violated. If someone think that it is > wrong, and not just inconvenient for those of us who would like to import DVDs > from some other region, then they should explain exactly how it is wrong / > wicked / evil / immoral / etc. > > If the region code crap is inconvenient enough that people refuse to buy DVDs > because of it, then the studios will come to their senses and stop using that > mechanism on the movies they produce. If people buy the movies anyway, then it > must not be all that inconvenient to enough of the movie purchasing public, > and they will continue to use it. So, the obvious solution is to stop buying > region coded DVDs, and try to convince others that the inconvenience of not > being able to import a movie from somewhere else over-weighs the benefits of > the DVD format. > > BTW, I think that DIVX is a *FAR* worse abomination than region codes. If we > are going to spend cycles fighting against stupid and inconvenient schemes by > movie studios to maximize their profit, then we should be spending them > fighting DIVX. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNn28yGasl5Jijs7SEQLpcwCg/FtLJ2Gg+5GEcIEOxiQuTwASQf8AnRcy > OiFPSw6suNFFnC8SN/IU1qKx > =X+CG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 08:57:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14845 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23879; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:54:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23686; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23665; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:54:20 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00089DF1; Mon, 21 Dec 98 08:40:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00089DF1.CE21223@smh.com> To: Bill Morrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: 770ED DVD Problem Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.6167424190" List-Unsubscribe: --IMA.Boundary.6167424190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part To all the responders to my post, many thanks. I did get the program to work via reloading it, but then it did the "illegal operation" thing in windows 95. I ended up wiping the disk clean and installing Win 98. Installing all the drivers was the hard part (IBM's Win98 setup disk helped), but it was worth it. Win 98 is a lot more stable than 95. I'll get around to installing NT next week. The 770 is a great laptop, but it is big. I think I'll leave it on my desk. Linux, too, one of these days. Happy Holidays Neil TP 600 PII/266 TP 770ED TP 701 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 770ED DVD Problem Author: Bill Morrow at Internet Date: 12/20/98 1:12 AM Corneilus.. try reloading the DVD application.. Cornelius Halvey wrote: > Greetings, > > Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday and already there's a problem. I'm > > hoping somebody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong. After I > turned > it on I registered the Win95 software and set the preferences (time > zone, > etc). First thing I wanted to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 > inch > screen. Unfortunately, two discs that I tried were unplayable. The > SoftDVD > program says my country and region codes don't match! And, there's a > nice > "X" next to Region one (USA). > > I call IBM and they suggested I format the drive and reinstall from > the > recovery CD. This I did but it didn't help. What is going on? I > know the > CDs are region one; they play fine in a TP 600. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Neil > > TP 600 PII/266 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --IMA.Boundary.6167424190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Corneilus..
try reloading the DVD application..
 

Cornelius Halvey wrote:

  Greetings,

Well, I got my new 770ED yesterday and already there's a problem.  I'm
hoping somebody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong.  After I turned
it on I registered the Win95 software and set the preferences (time zone,
etc).  First thing I wanted to check out was DVD playback on the 14.1 inch
screen.  Unfortunately, two discs that I tried were unplayable.  The SoftDVD
program says my country and region codes don't match!  And, there's a nice
"X" next to Region one (USA).

I call IBM and they suggested I format the drive and reinstall >from the
recovery CD.  This I did but it didn't help.  What is going on?  I know the
CDs are region one; they play fine in a TP 600.

Any help would be appreciated.

Neil

TP 600 PII/266

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg),
760ED(3.0gig, 104meg),
701C(6.3gig, 40meg),
755CE(no gig, 40meg),
750C(no gig, 4meg),
IBM WorkPad(1meg)

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --IMA.Boundary.6167424190-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 12:37:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16672 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05737; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05637; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05616; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgardner (cgardner.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.29.102]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA27229 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Chris Gardner" To: Subject: DVD Problem with 770ED Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be2d08$aaaceb40$661d8018@cgardner.ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I just got my 770ED and am overall very pleased. However, using the SoftDVD application watching a widescreen movie in 4:3 letterbox or pan and scan produces significant "tearing" or distortion along the top of the screen. If I set SoftDVD to Autodisplay or widescreen, picture is perfect. This is a problem of course, because I use my laptop to watch movies connected to my TV. My favorite view mode is 4:3 letterbox since I don't have a widescreen TV. It seems like the decoder hardware just doesn't have the cycles to do the interpolation. Anyone else seen this? Any solutions you know of? Finally, has anyone found another DVD "player" (besides SoftDVD) that can use the IBM hardware decoder? Thanks. cgardner@mediaone.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 13:33:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17252 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08585; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:30:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08436; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08402; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkarp (msn-4-16.binc.net [205.173.178.79]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15656; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:29:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01be2d0f$d867e740$4fb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: DVD Problem with 770ED Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:29:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I can't answer your question specifically but I think you might be wasting your time. Regardless of what screen mode you try and choose, if you're porting the output to your TV you're going to get a 4:3 image - period. Even when the LCD image is letterbox or widescreen you'll be stuck with a squashed 4:3 image on the TV. I think this has something to do with copy protection. Not all DVD movies work this way but the majority of the ones I've purchased do. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Gardner To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 11:38 AM Subject: DVD Problem with 770ED >I just got my 770ED and am overall very pleased. However, using the SoftDVD >application watching a widescreen movie in 4:3 letterbox or pan and scan >produces significant "tearing" or distortion along the top of the screen. If >I set SoftDVD to Autodisplay or widescreen, picture is perfect. This is a >problem of course, because I use my laptop to watch movies connected to my >TV. My favorite view mode is 4:3 letterbox since I don't have a widescreen >TV. It seems like the decoder hardware just doesn't have the cycles to do >the interpolation. > >Anyone else seen this? Any solutions you know of? Finally, has anyone found >another DVD "player" (besides SoftDVD) that can use the IBM hardware >decoder? Thanks. > >cgardner@mediaone.net > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 14:29:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17964 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04465; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:15:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04324; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04309; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA09947 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:15:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.126]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981221171505.OALJ18494@ibm.net> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:15:05 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <367E827E.FAD995FA@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:46 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Help with 770E and PCCard drivers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have to disable Card Wizard to get my IBM LanEntry wireless ethernet cards to work (and just use Win95's pcmcia support). With the 770 models, I simply uninstalled Card Wizard, removed the PCMCIA drivers in the System and let them be redetected and reinstalled. This doesn't work on the 770E. The PCCard in the System show an exclamation in front of them when installed without CardWizard. Anyone have any ideas? Interesting note, HD from the 770 (no E) without Card Wizard works fine. Its the new preload from the 770E that seems to be the problem (different pcmcia drivers?). Any help appreciated. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 15:13:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18650 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14866; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:10:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14652; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws002.shl.com (docws002.shl.com [159.249.56.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14629; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws002.shl.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23457; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:24:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812212024.NAA23457@docws002.shl.com> Received: by ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:08:33 -0500 From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Ron Heiby Subject: RE: AC Adapter - Static Sensitive?!? Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:10:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I guess they haven't heard of smilies! :{) Perhaps someone will publish a translation table, a pictographic Rosetta stone. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI WorldCom Company :^*+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^* *^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com *^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ ---------- From: Ron Heiby [SMTP:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] Sent: 1998 December 19 - Saturday 21:18 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: AC Adapter - Static Sensitive?!? ... Oh, and while we're on the subject of the AC adapter and labels, has anyone noticed all of the pictograms on the current crop of adapter labels? I'm sure that it is for international use and understanding, but I recognize and understand only a few of the pictograms on this guy. We have the following. (All are in white on black, unless otherwise noted.) - A lightning bolt arrow inside an equilateral triangle (black on yellow) - A screwdriver within a slashed circle (black on yellow) - An "H" within a circle (green on white) - An "=" within a diamond (black on white) ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 16:42:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19994 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20715; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:32:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20474; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws002.shl.com (docws002.shl.com [159.249.56.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20429; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws002.shl.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02883; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:43:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812212143.OAA02883@docws002.shl.com> Received: by ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:27:54 -0500 From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: Bill Morrow , Ron Heiby Cc: Rob Bell , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: 770X DVD region problem Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:29:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I think that the companies are going to annoy their earliest clients - the world jet-setters who can afford DVD equipment. It will also annoy people who want a particular DVD that's manufactured for other regions but not theirs. Regional linguistic minorities come to mind. For example, Australia and NZ are the only English-speaking countries in Region 4, along with all of Latin America. Do you imagine they'll have the same title and price choices as the US and Canada (Region *1* of course...) Airport stores, distributors and manufacturers would have to carry 6x their stock (or at least stock IDs) to be complete. More likely, they will lose more sales than they would gain by selling 2nd copies of DVDs. Not to mention the service overheads they will have when the product they ship doesn't match the customer's needs. Going abroad? Replace all your DVDs - spend another $2,000? Etc. And why did they bother? There are various cracks and replacement chips for different PC and DVD players that allow you to play different regions, either by choice, or automatically. For a PC region "Selector", checkout: http://www.eurosat.com/visualdomain/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/techie/623/page4.html http://www.codefreedvd.com/creativelabs.htm King Canute was famous for telling the tide to stop. He has successors. Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI WorldCom Company :^*+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^* *^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com *^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ ---------- From: Ron Heiby [SMTP:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] Sent: 1998 December 20 - Sunday 22:17 To: Bill Morrow Cc: Rob Bell; ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 01:24 AM 12/20/98 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote, in response to my comparison with gasoline and motor oil standards: >Bad parallel..! How so? Studios own movies. Consumer Electronics companies produce devices that allow consumers to use those movies. Oil companies own oil. Auto companies produce devices that allow consumers to use that oil. Studios work with C.E. companies on standards for interoperability between movies and devices. Oil and Auto companies work together on standards for interoperability between oil and vehicles. How is it OK for oil companies and auto companies to get together to decide on the standards for gasoline, but it is not OK for movie companies and C.E. companies to get together to decide on standards for movie distribution media? If someone thinks that the region code stuff is illegal, they should provide some reference to the law(s) being violated. If someone think that it is wrong, and not just inconvenient for those of us who would like to import DVDs from some other region, then they should explain exactly how it is wrong / wicked / evil / immoral / etc. If the region code crap is inconvenient enough that people refuse to buy DVDs because of it, then the studios will come to their senses and stop using that mechanism on the movies they produce. If people buy the movies anyway, then it must not be all that inconvenient to enough of the movie purchasing public, and they will continue to use it. So, the obvious solution is to stop buying region coded DVDs, and try to convince others that the inconvenience of not being able to import a movie from somewhere else over-weighs the benefits of the DVD format. BTW, I think that DIVX is a *FAR* worse abomination than region codes. If we are going to spend cycles fighting against stupid and inconvenient schemes by movie studios to maximize their profit, then we should be spending them fighting DIVX. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNn28yGasl5Jijs7SEQLpcwCg/FtLJ2Gg+5GEcIEOxiQuTwASQf8AnRcy OiFPSw6suNFFnC8SN/IU1qKx =X+CG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 18:08:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21090 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24578; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:06:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24467; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24448; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03482 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:05:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367D82B1.80206FF5@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:05:21 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help with 770E and PCCard drivers References: <367E827E.FAD995FA@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I suspect that the driver for the PCMCIA port is missing or corrupted. Download the Supplemental Drivers for Win95 disks from : http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PGT93.html, Then open the properties on the each PCMCIA controller, click update driver, and point it to the Cardbus dir on the Supp Files disk. reboot and you should be all set. Teresa Selling wrote: > > I have to disable Card Wizard to get my IBM LanEntry wireless ethernet > cards to work (and just use Win95's pcmcia support). With the 770 > models, I simply uninstalled Card Wizard, removed the PCMCIA drivers in > the System and let them be redetected and reinstalled. This doesn't > work on the 770E. The PCCard in the System show an exclamation in front > of them when installed without CardWizard. Anyone have any ideas? > > Interesting note, HD from the 770 (no E) without Card Wizard works > fine. Its the new preload from the 770E that seems to be the problem > (different pcmcia drivers?). Any help appreciated. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 18:15:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21164 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25135; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25044; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25032; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipass.net (skrim@peyote.ipass.net [198.79.53.168]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04462; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367D8484.7062900D@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:13:08 -0500 From: Chris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "TROTTIER, Tom" CC: Bill Morrow , Ron Heiby , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <199812212143.OAA02883@docws002.shl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bet $5 I can find a registry hack or the file that controls the DVD region thing. And if I were a programer, write a program to switch back and forth. Maybe I should seems like there would be a lot of interest in it. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE2D2B.D8AFDC00-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 22:55:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23952 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05331; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:54:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05210; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05198; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from halveyc (slip129-37-124-186.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.124.186]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA70834; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 03:54:11 GMT Message-ID: <000501be2d5f$1e6919e0$ba7c2581@smh.com> From: "Cornelius Halvey" To: Cc: Subject: re: 770ED DVD problems Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:54:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I have the 770ED with win95. I would like to upgrade to win98. What IBM upgrade disk did you use and where did you get it? Were there any problems in upgrading? Thanks, Donald Mak -----Original Message----- From: cornelius-halvey@smh.com To: Bill Morrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:55 AM Subject: Re[2]: 770ED DVD Problem > To all the responders to my post, many thanks. I did get the program > to work via reloading it, but then it did the "illegal operation" > thing in windows 95. I ended up wiping the disk clean and installing > Win 98. Installing all the drivers was the hard part (IBM's Win98 > setup disk helped), but it was worth it. Win 98 is a lot more stable > than 95. > > I'll get around to installing NT next week. The 770 is a great > laptop, but it is big. I think I'll leave it on my desk. Linux, too, > one of these days. > > Happy Holidays > > Neil > > TP 600 PII/266 > TP 770ED > TP 701 > Donald, I got my TP 600 in July. IBM had a deal (with Microsoft) where you could upgrade to Win98 for a reduced price ($30). I figured at that price, why not? IBM went to the trouble of producing a CD that took you through the process of upgrading (ie, removing drivers, then installing new, 98, ones) step by step. It came with the Win98 upgrade CD. The disk not only worked for the 600 but for the 770 as well: it's loaded with drivers. I used this disk when I loaded Win98 (clean install) to the 770ED: it was a little tricky (I didn't have any Win95 drivers to uninstall), but it sure sped up the process of making Win 98 a happening entity. Regardless, upgrade to 98, it's Win95 with several thousand bug fixes, native DVD and USB support, and its ALMOST Y2K ready! Happy Holidays Neil From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 01:39:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA25484 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09794; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:37:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09615; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09603; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (117.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.245]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA03626; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:37:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367F3E97.BC5FF119@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:39:20 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris CC: "TROTTIER, Tom" , Ron Heiby , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 770X DVD region problem References: <199812212143.OAA02883@docws002.shl.com> <367D8484.7062900D@ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris.. but why would you want to reinvent the 'wheel'.. the utility you speculate about has been done..! :-) Chris wrote: > I bet $5 I can find a registry hack or the file that controls > the DVD region thing. And if I were a programer, write a program > to switch back and forth. Maybe I should seems like there would be a > lot of interest in it. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 04:54:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA26765 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15691; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:53:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15561; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (irc.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15547; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02751; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:54:48 +0300 (EET) Message-Id: <199812220854.LAA02751@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Cornelius Halvey" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:52:33 -0200 (IZM) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000501be2d5f$1e6919e0$ba7c2581@smh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: 770ED DVD problems List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Regardless, upgrade to 98, it's Win95 with several thousand bug fixes, >native DVD and USB support, and its ALMOST Y2K ready! ..and a few hundred new bugs added. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 07:45:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27640 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23677; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:38:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23511; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23498; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:38:54 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CICVa29109 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:38:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4457b932.367f92ae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:38:06 EST To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: BEWARE of 770/E/ED BIOS Updates! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 List-Unsubscribe: There're new BIOS updates for the 770 series at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PGT93.html However, notice date when you click on the sytpd127.exe & sytpd127.txt links you get the BIOS update for the TP600. You can download these files (sytpd127.exe & sytpd127.txt) at: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles Regards ... John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 08:53:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28007 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25722; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:52:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25592; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25580; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:51:38 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id IAA27313; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:50:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367FA3BD.4D043F45@csc.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:50:53 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Simons CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is there a problem with the mailings? References: <19981222033644.24305.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't get the digest format (which you imply when referring to 7-10 topics in a message), so I can't help you there. However, changing your address is referenced in the list 'welcome message' that you got when you subscribed: > 2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your > address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your > subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the > -REQUEST address next time!) > HTH, Rob Jim Simons wrote: > > i am receiving the list, but it is cut off.. i get something like the > first 7-10 topics, and nothing else.. it's just cut off.. it has been > happening for the last few days.. > > could it be ms/hotmail cutting them off? if so, what do i need to do to > change my subscription to another e-mail address? > > thanks.. > > jim simons.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 09:14:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28090 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26810; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:12:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26704; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26692; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981222141258.8562.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.160.115] by send102.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:12:58 PST Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: How buy a second hand portable ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sir I have follovs questionns : 1.How great can be price (buy offer) for IBM 560x with some 200 mmx,2,1gb and at least 6 month warranty ?(Buyer pay a shippment) 2.Where in Internet (Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction) can follov text placed ? Will buy portable (IBM560x,Sony505,Panasonic CF-35 ) with at least 6 month warranty for .... $ 3.What are you think about 3 lead online auction ? -Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction .What is different in they's sales policy ?Onsale stated that company is responsibl for product quality ?How ?Is it only onsale ? 4.Exist dealer rating ? I would very pleased for some kind of info .Excuse me,if my questionns are not relevant. Yours respectfully Gerus 20146 Germany,Hamburg Postlagernd 084518 Att:Mr.Gerus _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 09:34:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28282 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27787; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:32:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27691; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27677; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:31:56 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id JAA01680; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:31:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367FAD5F.F6D29E5C@csc.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:31:59 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: swjatoslaw gerus CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How buy a second hand portable ? References: <19981222141258.8562.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In my experience I've found the following with eBay and Onsale (never used SurplusAuction): - eBay involves individuals selling their own items (mainly used merchandise) - Onsale is a company that has acquired new or refurbished merchandise in quantity and sells it - I don't believe individuals can list items for sale on Onsale - With Onsale you are doing business with a company, just like buying >from Dell or something, so shipping options and payment methods are standardized and controlled. With eBay your are doing business with another individual, so payment must be arranged (usually by money order) and packing/shipment is at the discretion of the seller. You run the risk of the seller taking your money and sending nothing or junk. - UBid is another place that is like Onsale, but I think it has a section that is also like eBay - I don't know of an auction-type place where you can post 'wanted' messages. This would probably be handled best by a Usenet newsgroup for buying/selling or by just watching the auction sites until you find something. - Also check out sites like www.shopper.com, www.netbuyer.com, and www.buy.com, etc. They allow you to find the lowest price from a variety of mail order businesses. Good luck, Rob swjatoslaw gerus wrote: > > Dear Sir > > I have follovs questionns : > 1.How great can be price (buy offer) for IBM 560x with some 200 > mmx,2,1gb > and at least 6 month warranty ?(Buyer pay a shippment) > 2.Where in Internet (Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction) can > follov text placed ? > Will buy portable (IBM560x,Sony505,Panasonic CF-35 ) > with at least 6 month warranty for .... $ > 3.What are you think about 3 lead online auction ? > -Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction .What is different in they's sales policy > ?Onsale stated that company > is responsibl for product quality ?How ?Is it only onsale ? > 4.Exist dealer rating ? > > I would very pleased for some kind of info .Excuse me,if my > questionns are not relevant. > > Yours respectfully Gerus From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 09:56:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28498 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29010; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:54:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28802; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28767; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:54:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981222145438.2674.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.160.115] by send102.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:54:38 PST Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: Re: Re: How buy a second hand portable ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: > ---Rob Bell wrote: > > > > In my experience I've found the following with eBay and Onsale (never > > used SurplusAuction): > > > > - eBay involves individuals selling their own items (mainly used > > merchandise) > > - Onsale is a company that has acquired new or refurbished > merchandise > > in quantity and sells it > > - I don't believe individuals can list items for sale on Onsale > ############################ > Thank you.Can you give another auctions name ,which > used Onsale sales & purshasing policy.Surplusauction > is arm of Egghead (some 400 mln $ annual revenue),but i knew not > surplusauction policy > > Gerus > > > > > > > - With Onsale you are doing business with a company, just like buying > > from Dell or something, so shipping options and payment methods are > > standardized and controlled. With eBay your are doing business with > > another individual, so payment must be arranged (usually by money > order) > > and packing/shipment is at the discretion of the seller. You run the > > risk of the seller taking your money and sending nothing or junk. > > - UBid is another place that is like Onsale, but I think it has a > > section that is also like eBay > > - I don't know of an auction-type place where you can post 'wanted' > > messages. This would probably be handled best by a Usenet newsgroup > for > > buying/selling or by just watching the auction sites until you find > > something. > > - Also check out sites like www.shopper.com, www.netbuyer.com, and > > www.buy.com, etc. They allow you to find the lowest price from a > > variety of mail order businesses. > > > > Good luck, > > Rob > > > > > > swjatoslaw gerus wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > I have follovs questionns : > > > 1.How great can be price (buy offer) for IBM 560x with some 200 > > > mmx,2,1gb > > > and at least 6 month warranty ?(Buyer pay a shippment) > > > 2.Where in Internet (Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction) can > > > follov text placed ? > > > Will buy portable (IBM560x,Sony505,Panasonic CF-35 ) > > > with at least 6 month warranty for .... $ > > > 3.What are you think about 3 lead online auction ? > > > -Onsale,Ebay,Surplusauction .What is different in they's sales > policy > > > ?Onsale stated that company > > > is responsibl for product quality ?How ?Is it only onsale ? > > > 4.Exist dealer rating ? > > > > > > I would very pleased for some kind of info .Excuse me,if my > > > questionns are not relevant. > > > > > > Yours respectfully Gerus > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 10:25:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28765 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00619; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:23:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00532; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00498; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA21176 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:22:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from ibm.net ([166.34.207.123]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981222152238.RODD18494@ibm.net> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:22:38 -0600 Sender: teresa@MCI.Com Message-ID: <367FB901.A05A5B55@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:21:38 -0700 From: Teresa Selling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/859) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help with 770E and PCCard drivers References: <367E827E.FAD995FA@ibm.net> <367D82B1.80206FF5@ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately it didn't work. Is anyone using a 770E or 770ED without using IBM's add-on CardWizard (just using Win95's pcmcia support)? Chris wrote: > I suspect that the driver for the PCMCIA port is missing or corrupted. > Download the Supplemental Drivers for Win95 disks from : > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PGT93.html, Then open the > properties on the each PCMCIA controller, click update driver, and point > it to the Cardbus dir on the Supp Files disk. reboot and you should be > all set. > > Teresa Selling wrote: > > > > I have to disable Card Wizard to get my IBM LanEntry wireless ethernet > > cards to work (and just use Win95's pcmcia support). With the 770 > > models, I simply uninstalled Card Wizard, removed the PCMCIA drivers in > > the System and let them be redetected and reinstalled. This doesn't > > work on the 770E. The PCCard in the System show an exclamation in front > > of them when installed without CardWizard. Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Interesting note, HD from the 770 (no E) without Card Wizard works > > fine. Its the new preload from the 770E that seems to be the problem > > (different pcmcia drivers?). Any help appreciated. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 11:27:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29375 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03563; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:26:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03451; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03439; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial40.vramp.net (dial40.vramp.net [209.107.20.55]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25450 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:25:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812221625.LAA25450@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:19:33 -0500 Subject: re: 770ED DVD problems Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199812220854.LAA02751@home.egenet.com.tr> References: <000501be2d5f$1e6919e0$ba7c2581@smh.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 22 Dec 98, at 12:52, turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > >Regardless, upgrade to 98, it's Win95 with several thousand bug fixes, > >native DVD and USB support, and its ALMOST Y2K ready! > > ..and a few hundred new bugs added. > What do you expect from something that comes bundled with your computer? And should really be called Windows 2000 Beta Ver. XX Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 12:45:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00150 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07710; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:31:15 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07499; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA03816 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (home.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15517; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01417; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:53:05 +0300 (EET) Message-Id: <199812220853.LAA01417@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:50:49 -0200 (IZM) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199812212024.NAA23457@docws002.shl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: AC Adapter - Static Sensitive?!? List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I'll give them a try; I know they can be tricky. On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:10:25 -0500, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >Folks, >I guess they haven't heard of smilies! :{) >Perhaps someone will publish a translation table, a pictographic Rosetta >stone. > - A lightning bolt arrow inside an equilateral triangle (black on >yellow) A secret message trying to convey that Bermuda triangle is nothing more than a lightning storm. > - A screwdriver within a slashed circle (black on yellow) You need to cut your screwdriver in half; then bend it so the two halves make a complete circle. > - An "H" within a circle (green on white) That's easy - "The power supply can be used as a helipad." - however you need many of them attached together. > - An "=" within a diamond (black on white) Equal rights for minorities will enrich all of us. Let me know if you have more symbols deciphered. - -turgut - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNn+xyTJjYwErN0xZAQGgFAP6A/zM6ydM2pXURV2cB0AP9Sqd6myHY/pu ebH0PIZm6N5z9eXJMtq3pJV3yRXPZ4qzNe2+BBGRSQ2ZJGm27DvuDXm9Uu4PvkR5 NGp4nSg5fJvqs1xXS66X6/WOanVZLGOIEVK4tHh4sU2DgTllQMTEcFUNm4G1nd0j fom4qZbZJdI= =behQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 008: Broken window. Watch out for glass fragments. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 14:15:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01015 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12899; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:14:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12802; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from UCONNVM.UConn.Edu (uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12789; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from abraham.ucc.uconn.edu [137.99.221.170] by UCONNVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:13:08 EST X-Comment: UCONNVM.UConn.Edu: Mail was sent by abraham.ucc.uconn.edu Received: by ABRAHAM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: <717D3B155CD5D111982300805FBB851B0A1383@ABRAHAM> From: "Girasoli, Tony" To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: No Power with a TP 701C Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I have a Thinkpad 701C I bought recently in as-is condition. Unfortunately, when I plug in the power supply, no lights come on, and nothing happens when I flip the power switch. The AC adapter I'm using I purchased from IBM for this model. I checked the voltage, and it's correct: 10-16VDC, 2.2A ... I also used a voltage meter to make sure the power supply was working, and it is, with the tip being +. Any ideas? Is there a fuse in this machine that might be blown? Is there a common cause for this kind of symptom? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Sincerely, Tony girasoli@datacomm.uconn.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 15:15:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01619 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11539; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:51:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11413; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11400; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03422 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:51:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 22 Dec 98 19:51:13 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 22 Dec 98 19:51:07 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.146) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 22 Dec 98 19:50:57 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by Magrathea.stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00915 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:36:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199812221736.SAA00915@Magrathea.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:36:52 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.F4E49F138764=_=_=_" Subject: Palm III and TP via IR - Solution List-Unsubscribe: --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.F4E49F138764=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! This may be also of interest to the Linux-commnity. Finally I got it working with Randals help using the attached PRC (thank= s to Randal I finally got the right one) on the Palm and Pilotlink for OS/2. = May be the same in Linux as well. Additionally I need the following Batch-Jo= b: @Echo off Echo [ PalmPilot Backup - Complete ] SET PILOTRATE=3D19200 mode com3: %pilotrate%,NONE,8,1 E: cd \Pilot\Pilotlink E:\PILOT\PilotLink\pilot-xfer.exe COM3 -b F:\PalmPilot\Backup which will create a complete backup of the Pilot to F:\PalmPilot\Backup.= I got it working up to 19200 BPS. Cause I can use more (up to I think 5760= 0 bps) when establishing IR-connections between two TP's (I use ZOC for th= at) I think 19200 is the limit of Palm III. On higher speeds I got only some w= eired packages and a breakdown of connection. 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Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23840; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23421; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23409; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00450 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: No Power with a TP 701C In-Reply-To: <717D3B155CD5D111982300805FBB851B0A1383@ABRAHAM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Girasoli, Tony wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 701C I bought recently in as-is condition. Unfortunately, > when I plug in the power supply, no lights come on, and nothing happens when > I flip the power switch. Try shoving the power switch back really hard. IBM purposely made it tough to turn on/off because too many people complained about accidently turning previous Thinkpads off while picking them up to move them, or fiddling with the side. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 19:34:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04212 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25670; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:31:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25563; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25550; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a4.pm3-32.theriver.com [206.102.192.68]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03984; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:31:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812230031.RAA03984@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 17:25:22 -0700 To: Rob Bell , swjatoslaw gerus , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <367FAD5F.F6D29E5C@csc.com> Subject: Re: How buy a second hand portable ? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 List-Unsubscribe: In <367FAD5F.F6D29E5C@csc.com>, on 12/22/98 at 08:31 AM, Rob Bell said: >In my experience I've found the following with eBay and Onsale (never >used SurplusAuction): > - eBay involves individuals selling their own items (mainly used >merchandise) > - Onsale is a company that has acquired new or refurbished >merchandise in quantity and sells it > - I don't believe individuals can list items for sale on Onsale Sure can. Take a look at the entire site. There are articles for sale by individuals. However, I think the "bite" of OnSale is greater than eBay, so very few items are sold by individuals. > - With Onsale you are doing business with a company, just like >buying from Dell or something, so shipping options and payment >methods are standardized and controlled. With eBay your are doing >business with another individual, so payment must be arranged >(usually by money order) and packing/shipment is at the discretion of >the seller. You run the risk of the seller taking your money and >sending nothing or junk. True. However, OnSale is stuck with one shipper (UPS). With an individual, on eBay, you can ask for the shipper of your choice. > - UBid is another place that is like Onsale, but I think it has a >section that is also like eBay > - I don't know of an auction-type place where you can post 'wanted' >messages. This would probably be handled best by a Usenet newsgroup >for buying/selling or by just watching the auction sites until you >find something. OnSale had this function. I don't think it is there anymore. > - Also check out sites like www.shopper.com, www.netbuyer.com, and >www.buy.com, etc. They allow you to find the lowest price from a >variety of mail order businesses. And www.pricewatch.com too. Also, be aware that if you are NOT from North America or a US military member overseas, YOU CANNOT BUY FROM ONSALE. Sure, your bid will be accepted, but the order WILL NOT BE PROCESSED. Please read the entire bid area from top to bottom and read OnSale's policies, BEFORE BIDDING. I once seen a bid from Singapore that drove up the price of an item a great deal. An anonymous e-mail message to the staff at OnSale resulted in the bid's removal, but they could not successfully restore all of the previous bids.... If I wanted to buy/sell an item, I would go to eBay first and then any of a number of on-line corporate auctions. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 22:01:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06038 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29896; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:59:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29728; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29716; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from us.ibm.com (ss06.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.71]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA69876 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:58:55 GMT Message-ID: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:01:05 -0700 From: Bob Angell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD - uggghhh! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok, A DVD newby here ... I finally broke down and put back the 770ED the way it came ... with W95 installed. I thought I would try out the DVD drive and I get an error "Drive Not Ready or Drive Empty" error when I try to play a movie using SoftDVD. Could some kind soul point me to a more indepth discussion of this in a FAQ document? All/any help is greatly appreciated. -Bob- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 22:30:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06363 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01103; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01014; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01001; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a29.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.29]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA16125 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812230328.WAA16125@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr2a29.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.29] 207.136.201.29 Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:26:23 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dvd & os2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: OS2 does not support the DVD drives. Can anyone tell me if it works as well as a regular CD with regular Cds. Or if there are any other disadvantages to buying this model for use with OS2? Thanks _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 22:42:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06462 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02072; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:39:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01990; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01978; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm ([12.79.17.250]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981223033914.KHNP1899@ibm>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:39:14 +0000 Message-ID: <368064E3.2345@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:34:59 -0500 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Angell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD - uggghhh! References: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to run the "mpeginst" program to reset the region on the decoder. Bob Angell wrote: > > Ok, > > A DVD newby here ... I finally broke down and put back the 770ED > the way it came ... with W95 installed. I thought I would try out > the DVD drive and I get an error "Drive Not Ready or Drive Empty" > error when I try to play a movie using SoftDVD. Could some kind > soul point me to a more indepth discussion of this in a FAQ document? > > All/any help is greatly appreciated. > > -Bob- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 22:46:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06496 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01471; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:30:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01282; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01228; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from wabio (user-38ld05e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.174]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA13063 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981222222102.00a23ec0@mail.newsguy.com> X-Sender: wicket@mail.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:28:09 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alan Wong Subject: IBM "warrenty" policy In-Reply-To: <199812141847.LAA14966@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I remember reading a thread while back about IBM's policy of having a unit reapaired three or four times and you can get the same unit replaced brand new. Could anyone confirm this and what the "exact policy" is. For the last 1.5 months that I've had my Thinkpad 600E, I've sent the unit in 4X already for various system board failures. The first time was only 3 days after I had the unit. Well, if anybody has any info or "documentation" on this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 23:19:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06886 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03508; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:17:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03325; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03313; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms154504 (user-38lcf9j.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.61.51]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02879; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:16:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812230416.XAA02879@camel8.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:16:13 -0500 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Bob Angell From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: DVD - uggghhh! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <368064E3.2345@worldnet.att.net> References: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: This will also happen if the Hard Drive partitions have caused the DVD drive to have a different letter than when first installed. I don't know where this setting is, I have had to reinstall the DVD software, and it asks for the drive letter, but there does not appear to be a place in any of the menus to change it. Richard At 10:34 PM 12/22/98 -0500, Bruce Markowtz wrote: >You need to run the "mpeginst" program to reset the region on the >decoder. > > >Bob Angell wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> A DVD newby here ... I finally broke down and put back the 770ED >> the way it came ... with W95 installed. I thought I would try out >> the DVD drive and I get an error "Drive Not Ready or Drive Empty" >> error when I try to play a movie using SoftDVD. Could some kind >> soul point me to a more indepth discussion of this in a FAQ document? >> >> All/any help is greatly appreciated. >> >> -Bob- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 22 23:28:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07006 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03973; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:27:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03875; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03863; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm ([12.79.18.174]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981223042650.KYJV1899@ibm>; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:26:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3680700C.45B2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:22:36 -0500 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Chalk CC: Bob Angell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD - uggghhh! References: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> <199812230416.XAA02879@camel8.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That would be in control panel - multimedia - CD music Richard Chalk wrote: > > This will also happen if the Hard Drive partitions have caused the DVD > drive to have a different letter than when first installed. I don't know > where this setting is, I have had to reinstall the DVD software, and it > asks for the drive letter, but there does not appear to be a place in any > of the menus to change it. > > Richard > > At 10:34 PM 12/22/98 -0500, Bruce Markowtz wrote: > >You need to run the "mpeginst" program to reset the region on the > >decoder. > > > > > >Bob Angell wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> A DVD newby here ... I finally broke down and put back the 770ED > >> the way it came ... with W95 installed. I thought I would try out > >> the DVD drive and I get an error "Drive Not Ready or Drive Empty" > >> error when I try to play a movie using SoftDVD. Could some kind > >> soul point me to a more indepth discussion of this in a FAQ document? > >> > >> All/any help is greatly appreciated. > >> > >> -Bob- > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 00:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07505 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05349; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:59:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05225; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from eeyore.eon.net (eeyore.eon.net [199.185.220.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05198; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dslc00207.adsl.telusplanet.net ([207.229.26.207]:1047 "EHLO ibm.net") by eeyore.eon.net with ESMTP id <81388-11146>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <36807880.5E030875@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:58:40 -0700 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dvd & os2 References: <199812230328.WAA16125@garnet.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm using it happily with Warp. (Works as a regular IDE CD for the installation) letoured@sover.net wrote: > OS2 does not support the DVD drives. Can anyone tell me if it works as > well as a regular CD with regular Cds. Or if there are any other > disadvantages to buying this model for use with OS2? > > Thanks > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 01:51:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08212 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04718; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:47:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04633; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.goldengate.net (root@main.goldengate.net [206.8.8.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04621; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (isdn1-8-128.goldengate.net [206.8.8.128]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id WAA05749 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:47:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199812230447.WAA05749@main.goldengate.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 11:55:08 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199812230328.WAA16125@garnet.sover.net> Subject: Re: dvd & os2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 List-Unsubscribe: In <199812230328.WAA16125@garnet.sover.net>, on 12/22/98 at 10, said: >OS2 does not support the DVD drives. Can anyone tell me if it works as >well as a regular CD with regular Cds. Or if there are any other >disadvantages to buying this model for use with OS2? >Thanks >_____________ >letoured@sover.net The word is yes it will see the drive as a CD, not a DVD. Check out www.os2ss.com/users/drmartinus/notebook.htm for lots of info on Thinkpads and OS/2. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 05:46:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09718 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18861; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:41:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18648; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw2adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (mail-gw2adm.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.60.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18634; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from swbell.net (ppp-151-164-42-158.eulstx.swbell.net [151.164.42.158]) by mail-gw2adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07890 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:41:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3680C73C.574BEEB0@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:34:36 -0600 From: Louie Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: CD-R on parallel port Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 770 NT4.0 will not recognize the HP CD-R 7200e on the parallel port. HP sez I need to set the port to ecp and the range to 0378. How? ..louie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 05:59:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09780 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19299; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:56:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19217; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from bessie.eunet.fi (bessie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19205; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from kettu (joakim.pp.fi [193.66.77.210]) by bessie.eunet.fi (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA18992; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:55:47 +0200 (EET) From: "Jukka Ketelaars" To: "Louie Gray" , Subject: RE: CD-R on parallel port Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:58:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000001be2e63$2d92ada0$d24d42c1@kettu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3680C73C.574BEEB0@swbell.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: I've got the same drive running on a 600. Use 'Thinkpad configuration' to set the following in the printer settings: LPT1, IRQ7, ECP, DMA3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Gray [mailto:louieg@swbell.net] > Sent: 23. joulukuuta 1998 12:35 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: CD-R on parallel port > > > My 770 NT4.0 will not recognize the HP CD-R 7200e on the parallel port. > HP sez I need to set the port to ecp and the range to 0378. How? ..louie > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 08:16:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10482 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22291; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:11:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22139; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1 (mail1.surfnet1.net [208.27.121.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22127; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail1 with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.27 AS-0098308) for at Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be2e2a$22a511a0$bc791bd0@miktip> From: "Mik Tip" To: "thinkpad" Subject: HELP! Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:10:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E00.3937F9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E00.3937F9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard drive? =20 I phoned IBM's tech service but they are at a "loss" to=20 any reason why the hard drive is acting the way it is! =20 Symptoms: =20 I formatted the drive using IBMs System recovery floppy which allows you to "hot install" the CD to reinstall all the factory software! =20 It goes through the entire process normal, but when it goes to reboot, all I get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, and the hard drive symbol in the LCD on the keyboard? =20 If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can access the hard drive = files via dos commands.(sysedit.exe) =20 =20 It seems as if Windows is not functioning at all! =20 Any help would be appreciated. =20 Mik Mik ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E00.3937F9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard=20 drive?
 
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the factory software!
 
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all I get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, and = the hard=20 drive
symbol in the LCD on the keyboard?
 
If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can = access the=20 hard drive files via
dos commands.(sysedit.exe)  
 
It seems as if Windows is not functioning at = all!
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Mik
 
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Mik
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE2E00.3937F9C0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 11:02:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12075 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27198; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:58:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27100; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27085; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sirius (dhcp32.bookmans.com [216.19.12.162]) by seagull.rtd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07878 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:58:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812231558.IAA07878@seagull.rtd.com> X-Sender: scotth@rtd.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:57:51 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: "scotth@rtd.com" Subject: Full screen In-Reply-To: <001301be2e2a$22a511a0$bc791bd0@miktip> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've been having a problem with the display on my 600. When I play a CD ROM, I only get partial screen coverage. My other laptop has no problem, but it is a Winbook. Is there a setting that I'm missing or some drivers? Scott Henderson Bookman's 1135 N. Jones Blvd. Tucson, AZ 85716 (520)-881-1744 ext. 110 email: scotth@bookmans.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 11:13:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12206 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27888; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:11:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27797; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27785; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms154504 (user-37kbmof.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.219.15]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04292; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:10:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231610.LAA04292@camel14.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:10:41 -0500 To: "Mik Tip" , "thinkpad" From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: HELP! In-Reply-To: <001301be2e2a$22a511a0$bc791bd0@miktip> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Run FDISK, and make sure the primary partition is set to Active.

Richard

At 11:10 PM 12/22/98 -0500, Mik Tip wrote:
I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard drive?
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I phoned IBM's tech service but they are at a "loss" to
any reason why the hard drive is acting the way it is!
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Symptoms:
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I formatted the drive using IBMs=A0 System recovery floppy
which allows you to "hot install" the CD to reinstall all
the factory software!
=A0
It goes through the entire process normal, but when it goes to reboot,
all I get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, and the hard drive
symbol in the LCD on the keyboard?
=A0
If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can access the hard drive files via
dos commands.(sysedit.exe)=A0=A0
=A0
It seems as if Windows is not functioning at all!
=A0
Any help would be appreciated.
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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 12:59:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13465 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01319; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01198; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01173; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg-20425418-42.ricochet.net [204.254.18.42]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09436; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:54:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003e01be2e9d$38eb4b00$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Mik Tip" , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: HELP! Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE2E5A.247738C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE2E5A.247738C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boot up to floppy A: with DOS. Log to C:. Use A:CHKDSK /MBR to put back the master boot record. Remove the floppy and restart. -----Original Message----- From: Mik Tip To: thinkpad Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 5:12 AM Subject: HELP! =20 =20 I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard drive? =20 I phoned IBM's tech service but they are at a "loss" to=20 any reason why the hard drive is acting the way it is! =20 Symptoms: =20 I formatted the drive using IBMs System recovery floppy which allows you to "hot install" the CD to reinstall all the factory software! =20 It goes through the entire process normal, but when it goes to = reboot, all I get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, and the hard drive symbol in the LCD on the keyboard? =20 If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can access the hard = drive files via dos commands.(sysedit.exe) =20 =20 It seems as if Windows is not functioning at all! =20 Any help would be appreciated. =20 Mik =20 =20 Mik ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE2E5A.247738C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Boot up to floppy A: = with DOS. Log to=20 C:.
 
Use
 
A:CHKDSK /MBR
 
to put back the master boot = record.  Remove=20 the floppy and restart.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mik Tip <miktip@surfnet1.net>
To:= =20 thinkpad <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Wednesday, December 23, 1998 5:12 AM
Subject:=20 HELP!

I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard=20 drive?
 
I phoned IBM's tech service but = they are at=20 a "loss" to
any reason = why the hard=20 drive is acting the way it is!
 
Symptoms:
 
I formatted the drive using IBMs  System = recovery=20 floppy
which allows you to "hot install" the = CD to=20 reinstall all
the factory software!
 
It goes through the entire process normal, but = when it=20 goes to reboot,
all I get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, = and the=20 hard drive
symbol in the LCD on the keyboard?
 
If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can = access=20 the hard drive files via
dos commands.(sysedit.exe)   =
 
It seems as if Windows is not functioning at=20 all!
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Mik
 
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Mik
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE2E5A.247738C0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 13:14:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13575 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02197; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02116; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02022; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-100.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.100]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA01303; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:09:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981223131215.006bf470@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:12:15 -0500 To: "Mik Tip" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: HELP! In-Reply-To: <001301be2e2a$22a511a0$bc791bd0@miktip> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:10 PM 12/22/98 -0500, you wrote: > I'm having problems with the 5.1gig laptop hard drive? "" to any >reason why the hard drive is acting the way it is! Symptoms: System >recovery floppy "" the CD to reinstall all the factory software! It >goes through the entire process normal, but when it goes to reboot, all I >get is a blank screen a blinking cursor, and the hard drive symbol in the >LCD on the keyboard? If I use the W95 boot floppy to boot from, I can >access the hard drive files via It seems as if Windows is not >functioning at all! Any help would be appreciated. I know the recovery CD should cover some of things, but did you: Make sure the HD is set to boot in setup (vs another device or bay)? Make sure the partition is set to active in Fdisk? Verify the absence of a boot sector virus? I ask this, because the symptoms seem indicative of any of the above reasons. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 14:12:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14123 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04163; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:07:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04028; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (genepool@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04016; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA16286; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: NT on a 600? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981223131215.006bf470@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: We ordered a couple of 600s with Win95 installed. One user would like NT instead of 95, so we thought we could just order a replacement system recovery disk for an NT system. IBM tech support said they don't supply an NT recovery disk with those systems, which I find rather odd. However, our desktop support guys are having a real problem getting the drivers they pulled off IBM's site to work on this system. Was their tech support correct re the system recovery disk? Anyone have a working strategy for making this work? TIA. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 15:13:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14530 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06274; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06170; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06158; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls-dell-15.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA27696; Wed, 23 Dec 98 14:55:07 EST Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls-dell-15.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id OAA02882; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <36814A9A.36755F4B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:55:07 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on a 600? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just installed NT 4.0 SP3 on a 600 without too much difficulty. I followed the directions from IBM support on the web site, using the NT bundled driver download (~11 floppies) that's a few weeks old. I even got my 3c589 to hot swap by using the newer CardWizard 4.0 downloadable for the ThinkPad 390 and by using 3com drivers off their web site, including the one for SystemSoft CardWizard 4.0. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 15:51:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14951 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08795; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:41:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08696; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08683; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19374; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:41:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Girasoli, Tony" , Subject: RE: No Power with a TP 701C Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:41:13 -0800 Message-ID: <001501be2eb4$9487eec0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <717D3B155CD5D111982300805FBB851B0A1383@ABRAHAM> List-Unsubscribe: > I have a Thinkpad 701C I bought recently in as-is condition. > Unfortunately, > when I plug in the power supply, no lights come on, and nothing > happens when > I flip the power switch. As John said, push the power switch really hard. Mine takes such a push that I find it a lot easier to do before I open the cover and the keyboard gets in the way. It's normal that no lights come on--they should come on when you push the switch. The 701 is unusual in that it charges only when the power is *on*. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 15:52:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14972 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09290; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09181; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatalbert.ucc.uconn.edu (fatalbert.ucc.uconn.edu [137.99.221.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09163; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by FATALBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:45:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Girasoli, Tony" To: "'Michael Geary'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'dbaker@connix.com'" Subject: RE: No Power with a TP 701C Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:45:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: John and Mike -- Is the "current" light supposed to come on when I plug the power supply into the 701? When I plug the power supply into the 701, I don't see any activity. When I get home, I will give the power switch a good shove! Thanks John and Mike!! --Tony girasoli@datacomm.uconn.edu -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 3:41 PM To: Girasoli, Tony; THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: No Power with a TP 701C > I have a Thinkpad 701C I bought recently in as-is condition. > Unfortunately, > when I plug in the power supply, no lights come on, and nothing > happens when > I flip the power switch. As John said, push the power switch really hard. Mine takes such a push that I find it a lot easier to do before I open the cover and the keyboard gets in the way. It's normal that no lights come on--they should come on when you push the switch. The 701 is unusual in that it charges only when the power is *on*. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 16:19:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15305 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11074; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:17:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10979; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10962; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23443; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:17:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Girasoli, Tony" Cc: , Subject: RE: No Power with a TP 701C Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:17:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001601be2eb9$ad254180$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Is the "current" light supposed to come on when I plug the power supply > into the 701? When I plug the power supply into the 701, I don't see > any activity. That's normal. Nothing will light up until you turn the power switch on. > When I get home, I will give the power switch a good shove! That should do the trick, unless the machine is broken. I got confused about this myself--it's different from most other ThinkPads--and I was ready to send the machine back until I checked in the ThinkPad list. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 23:18:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19720 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21404; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:15:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21130; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21117; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (8.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.136]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA19593; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:15:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:14:59 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Angell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD - uggghhh! References: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bob.. assuming the win95 load is the factory preload from the recovery disc, reload the DVD application.. then it should find the CD Bob Angell wrote: > Ok, > > A DVD newby here ... I finally broke down and put back the 770ED > the way it came ... with W95 installed. I thought I would try out > the DVD drive and I get an error "Drive Not Ready or Drive Empty" > error when I try to play a movie using SoftDVD. Could some kind > soul point me to a more indepth discussion of this in a FAQ document? > > All/any help is greatly appreciated. > > -Bob- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 23:19:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19753 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21631; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21544; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21531; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (8.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.136]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA20237; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3681C07B.F34C039C@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:18:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "scotth@rtd.com" CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Full screen References: <199812231558.IAA07878@seagull.rtd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Scott.. you probably have it set to letterbox.. the image from a DVD movie is wide screen and the TP display will only do wide screen if it masks out the top and bottom.. its normal.. scotth@rtd.com wrote: > I've been having a problem with the display on my 600. When I play a CD > ROM, I only get partial screen coverage. My other laptop has no problem, > but it is a Winbook. Is there a setting that I'm missing or some drivers? > > Scott Henderson > Bookman's > 1135 N. Jones Blvd. > Tucson, AZ 85716 > (520)-881-1744 ext. 110 > email: scotth@bookmans.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 23 23:27:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19805 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22054; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21885; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21834; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (8.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.136]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA20626; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3681C0D3.D7BC03C8@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:19:31 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Wong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM "warrenty" policy References: <4.1.19981222222102.00a23ec0@mail.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alan.. i have never heard of such a 'lemon' policy.. but if i were you, i would ask to speak to a manager.. gently and kindly, work my way up the ladder.. Alan Wong wrote: > Hello, > > I remember reading a thread while back about IBM's policy > of having a unit reapaired three or four times and you > can get the same unit replaced brand new. Could anyone confirm > this and what the "exact policy" is. For the last 1.5 months that > I've had my Thinkpad 600E, I've sent the unit in 4X already for various > system board failures. The first time was only 3 days after I had the unit. > Well, if anybody has any info or "documentation" on this, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Alan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 00:51:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20521 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24342; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:47:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24223; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatalbert.ucc.uconn.edu (fatalbert.ucc.uconn.edu [137.99.221.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24206; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by FATALBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Girasoli, Tony" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: No Power with a Thinkpad 701C Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:46:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Just wanted to say thanks to all for your help. All I had to do was really give the power switch a good push, and hold it there for a second or two. The 701C powered on perfecly! IBM *really* didn't want anyone to accidentally turn off the laptop, that's for sure. Happy Holidays to all! Sincerely, Tony From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 01:17:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20725 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25123; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:13:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25032; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25020; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-243.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-243.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.243]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id PAA18415; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:13:11 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: [WarpCast] Notebook/2 Mailing list (fwd) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:14:32 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: (Forwarded from WarpCast) -------- Forwarded message -------- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 98 19:59:22 From: "WarpCast News Service" To: "" Subject: [WarpCast] Notebook/2 Mailing list Y2000 Pro : The solution for the Year 2000 problem in PC BIOSes. Works with OS/2, Linux and other 32-bit Operating Systems. http://www.blueskyinnovations.com/y2k.html ****************************** WarpCast ****************************** Source: Dr. Martinus (nb2@gmx.net) Moderator: Dirk Terrell (admin@os2ss.com) ********************************************************************** Hi, I have set up a discussion mailing list for notebook users on the Notebook/2 Site. This is of course only for people who (try to) run OS/2 on their notebooks. 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Merry Christmas to everybody! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, or for more information on WarpCast, visit: http://www.warpcast.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 08:21:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23205 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08659; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:18:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08385; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08370; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id IAA03285 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from HOMER by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id aa002054 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:13:09 -0500 From: "Steve Meisner" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: PCMCIA socket config Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be2f3f$263f99a0$3300a8c0@homer.msc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: HELP!!! I've got a 760ED and having a real problem with Win98 reconfiguring my PCMCIA card slots. One day I reconfigured some other components unrelated to the PCMCIA stuff. Now I am getting these phantom PCMCIA slots, labeled "- Socket 1" and "- Socket 2" under the PCMCIA Properties. I can select them and hit the Stop button. This causes the label to quickly change to "(Empty) - Socket x" then back. So now I have: - Socket 1 - Socket 2 (Empty) - Socket 3 (Empty) - Socket 4 when all I really have are the two PC Card slots. Other than being an irritation, sometimes PC Cards are not brought into configuration properly. I have seen 2 entries for a single PC Card. If I "Stop" both instances and then re-insert the card, it works. Should I completely remove the PCMCIA entry and let Win98 reinstalled it? For that matter, (I forget) if I do that, do I need any special drivers from the IBM site to do the reconfig? Thanks for any insight here!!!! Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 11:10:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24804 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11832; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:07:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11674; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11660; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-146.usc.edu [128.125.223.146]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA03636; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:07:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981224074550.009fd100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:50:04 -0800 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> References: <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:14 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >assuming the win95 load is the factory preload from the recovery disc, >reload the DVD application.. >then it should find the CD FYI, I went to do a clean re-install on my TP600 a few weeks ago and for some reason the recovery CD wouldn't work. A call to EZServe uncovered the problem: I had changed the partition to FAT32 (using Partition Magic). What's more, I *couldn't* change it back to FAT16 without a complete re-initialization of the entire drive (I was told that if I used Partition Magic to change it back to FAT16, that the system sees it as a "Non-DOS" disk and the recovery CD would *still* not work). Needless to say, I had moved most of the C: drive data over to D: or E: for easy return back to C: after the new install, so I didn't want to re-initialize the entire disk! So...if you have FAT32 on your C: drive, that maybe the reason your recovery CD doesn't work. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 11:32:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24922 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12621; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:30:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12514; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12490; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-78.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.78]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04235 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:30:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981224113230.0143f350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:32:30 -0500 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981224074550.009fd100@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:50 AM 12/24/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:14 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >>assuming the win95 load is the factory preload from the recovery disc, >>reload the DVD application.. >>then it should find the CD > > FYI, I went to do a clean re-install on my TP600 a few weeks ago and for >some reason the recovery CD wouldn't work. > > A call to EZServe uncovered the problem: I had changed the partition to >FAT32 (using Partition Magic). What's more, I *couldn't* change it back to >FAT16 without a complete re-initialization of the entire drive (I was told >that if I used Partition Magic to change it back to FAT16, that the system >sees it as a "Non-DOS" disk and the recovery CD would *still* not work). >Needless to say, I had moved most of the C: drive data over to D: or E: for >easy return back to C: after the new install, so I didn't want to >re-initialize the entire disk! > > So...if you have FAT32 on your C: drive, that maybe the reason your >recovery CD doesn't work. On a 770 (9549-1AU), I had the entire volume as one FAT32 partition. The recoveryCD restored it no problem to its original FAT16 3 partition miasma of drives. I did FDISK and reformat it with standard DOS tools, though. Could it be Partition Magic that is the cause? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 12:39:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25683 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14724; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:36:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14549; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14537; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22836; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:36:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jim Michael" , Subject: RE: NT on a 600? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:36:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be2f63$ee463980$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > We ordered a couple of 600s with Win95 installed. One user would like NT > instead of 95, so we thought we could just order a replacement system > recovery disk for an NT system. IBM tech support said they don't supply > an NT recovery disk with those systems, which I find rather odd. However, > our desktop support guys are having a real problem getting the drivers > they pulled off IBM's site to work on this system. Was their tech support > correct re the system recovery disk? Anyone have a working strategy for > making this work? TIA. Just follow IBM's instructions to the letter. I've got NT running on a couple of 600's here with no problems at all. Can you be more specific about which drivers they are having trouble with? Do none of the drivers work at all? Do some work and others fail? What problems are they having? -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 13:39:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26474 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16481; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:36:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16216; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (genepool@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16203; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA26686; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: RE: NT on a 600? To: Michael Geary cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000001be2f63$ee463980$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Michael Geary wrote: > Just follow IBM's instructions to the letter. I've got NT running on a > couple of 600's here with no problems at all. > > Can you be more specific about which drivers they are having trouble with? > Do none of the drivers work at all? Do some work and others fail? What > problems are they having? Since our facility will be closed until Jan 4 I will have to revisit this issue when we reopen. The initial comments from our desktop support people re inoperative floppy drive and other problems led me to believe restoration from a system recovery disk would have been the wisest course of action. From comment here, it looks like installing NT over 95 shouldn't be that much of an issue. Thanks to all who commented and Happy Holidays. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 14:02:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26723 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17244; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:59:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17155; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17137; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg139-027.ricochet.net [204.179.139.27]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15144; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:59:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006001be2f6f$84c4adf0$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Jim Michael" , "Michael Geary" Cc: Subject: Re: NT on a 600? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:59:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: NT cannot be installed "over" 95. You must follow the procedures and will end up doing a full. clean install to a new partition. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Michael To: Michael Geary Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:37 AM Subject: RE: NT on a 600? > > >On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Michael Geary wrote: > >> Just follow IBM's instructions to the letter. I've got NT running on a >> couple of 600's here with no problems at all. >> >> Can you be more specific about which drivers they are having trouble with? >> Do none of the drivers work at all? Do some work and others fail? What >> problems are they having? > >Since our facility will be closed until Jan 4 I will have to revisit this >issue when we reopen. The initial comments from our desktop support >people re inoperative floppy drive and other problems led me to believe >restoration from a system recovery disk would have been the wisest course >of action. From comment here, it looks like installing NT over 95 >shouldn't be that much of an issue. Thanks to all who commented and Happy >Holidays. > >Cheers, > >Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 14:19:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26945 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18334; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:16:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18097; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18079; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01415; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:16:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David W. Taylor" , "Jim Michael" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on a 600? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:16:39 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be2f71$eef1da70$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006001be2f6f$84c4adf0$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > NT cannot be installed "over" 95. You must follow the procedures and will > end up doing a full. clean install to a new partition. A full, clean install is certainly fine, but you can also install NT on the same partition that already has Win9x on it--as long as it's FAT16 and not FAT32. Just install NT as you would otherwise, and NT's setup will create a dual-boot menu for you, so you can boot into either NT or Win9x. What you can't do is "upgrade" your Win9x installation to NT. It has to be in its own directory. That said, I usually go for the separate partition and use System Commander to set up a multiple boot menu. This does avoid any possible confusion over "C:\Program Files" and any other shared directories. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 15:08:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27611 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19943; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:06:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19761; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19742; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from unixs3.cis.pitt.edu (nph@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.54]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:05:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:05:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Norman P. Hummon" X-Sender: nph@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 18:59:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00217 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25507; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25060; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25048; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA11040 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:56:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981224172307.00824af0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:23:07 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: DVD - uggghhh! In-Reply-To: <199812230416.XAA02879@camel8.mindspring.com> References: <368064E3.2345@worldnet.att.net> <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:16 PM 12/22/98 -0500, Richard Chalk wrote: >This will also happen if the Hard Drive partitions have caused the DVD >drive to have a different letter than when first installed. I don't know >where this setting is, I found the setting for the softdvd software in the C:\WINDOWS\SOFTDVD.INI file. I had moved my DVD to Z: fairly early on, to keep it out of the way of any future fiddling about with drive partitions, additional drives, network drives, etc. So, the initialization file line in the "[default]" section became "drive=Z:\". As I recall, it starts out at "E:\". BTW, I did this while travelling. It seems to me that the documentation for the DVD in the 770ED manual supplement had some words on this situation, words I intend to read again when I get back home! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNoLM2Gasl5Jijs7SEQKyhgCg3tJDDquri6wbSRx7AvB6vXbwUxIAnj2l xn5bDxnQCmGomC4dxuP/X38n =aZIA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 18:59:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00221 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25510; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25091; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25075; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA11044; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:56:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981224174151.00834800@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:41:51 -0600 To: Alan Wong From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: IBM "warrenty" policy Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981222222102.00a23ec0@mail.newsguy.com> References: <199812141847.LAA14966@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 10:28 PM 12/22/98 -0500, Alan Wong wrote: >I remember reading a thread while back about IBM's policy >of having a unit reapaired three or four times and you >can get the same unit replaced brand new. Could anyone confirm A few years back, must have been something April of 1995, when the 750C had been out of production for a few months, I had an interesting IBM service experience. Practically from the day I bought the 750C, I had been observing bizarre behavior with the power management system. I had dutifully reported same to IBM, including simple and precise instructions to enable them to duplicate the problem. I had, with the assistance of a manager at Computer Discount Warehouse, verified that the problem was endemic to the 750C, unless the problem was in my hard drive (which IBM was *not* suggesting). Well, in the Spring of '95, I got a call from IBM. They had (finally) managed to replicate the problem I was seeing, and had tracked it down to the "H8" code on the system board. I asked when I could expect a fix. They explained that to fix the problem would require a re-spin of the system board, and that this was a step that they were not prepared to take for an out-of-production unit. Instead, they made a different offer. They said that they almost never did this, and it was a "one time only" kind of deal. If I wanted to, they would exchange my 750C for a new 755CE of comparable configuration. I agreed! As part of the deal, since there really was no comparable configuration, I ended up with an additional 8 Meg of RAM and an additional 170 Meg of disk, on top of the better screen, CPU, etc. This unit served me quite well for the past 3.5 years, only now being "put out to pasture" in favor of the 770ED that I just picked up from PC Connection. Actually, the 755CE will continue to see good service, but running something like Linux where its capabilities are over-kill, rather than a more popular (and more bloated) OS from somewhere West of here that will enjoy the relative spaciousness of 128 Meg of RAM (vs. 40 in the 755CE). It will live on my home network, letting me stay reasonably current with UNIX and providing some file service to the other systems that must continue to run larger and less capable operating systems. Anyway, the bottom line seems to be (at least a few years ago) that there was no formal policy, but there were occasions when IBM would do something surprisingly right. This tends to lead those involved to be highly impressed, such that they continue to buy IBM ThinkPads in the future, and recommend ThinkPads to others in the market for that type of machine. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNoLROWasl5Jijs7SEQJ7mwCg/HxU/o1iRys3K/zKzqApp1HXCEcAoOar tYuAO81VjIlqls3h9hHjf6LR =hZBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 21:06:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01330 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28072; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:04:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27849; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BEETHOVEN (beethoven.singa.pore.net [202.169.225.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27837; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from seattle - 202.169.227.58 by singa.pore.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:59:32 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981225100438.00804500@mail.aloha.net> X-Sender: whg@mail.aloha.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:04:38 +0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: Re: HELP! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: It's almost certain that David really meant to write: FDISK /MBR -Martin At about Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:50 -0800, "David W. Taylor" scribbled: >Boot up to floppy A: with DOS. Log to C:. > >Use > >A:CHKDSK /MBR > >to put back the master boot record. Remove the floppy and restart. ------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 24 21:13:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01389 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28515; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:13:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28429; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28417; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from holygrail (mg136-243.ricochet.net [204.179.136.243]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25194; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005301be2fac$0e2356f0$0201a8c0@holygrail.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Martin Lyngvig" Subject: Re: HELP! Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:12:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Oops. You're quite right, Martin! Merry Christmas. David -----Original Message----- From: Martin Lyngvig To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 6:05 PM Subject: Re: HELP! >It's almost certain that David really meant to write: > >FDISK /MBR > >-Martin > > >At about Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:53:50 -0800, "David W. Taylor" > scribbled: > >>Boot up to floppy A: with DOS. Log to C:. >> >>Use >> >>A:CHKDSK /MBR >> >>to put back the master boot record. Remove the floppy and restart. > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > Martin Lyngvig Singapore martini@acm.org >------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Dec 25 17:52:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08057 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19628; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:49:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19317; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19305; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:49:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MoxFulder1@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CCEFa24871 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:48:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9983c4fc.36841646@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:48:38 EST To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: (765L) Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 List-Unsubscribe: Hello...I just purchased a ThinkPad 765L for use at college. Does anyone own this computer/have experience with it? It is a P166MMX, has 32 mb ram, 3 gig hard drive, and a 13.3 active matrix screen, which i think is great. anyone else own this machine? --Andy Williamstown, MA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 09:22:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13783 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08166; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:21:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07982; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07969; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jerrycud ([12.79.54.104]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981226142028.JRQW28439@jerrycud> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:20:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981226092028.00858550@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jerryray@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:20:28 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: 770ed and 12-22-98 bios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I flashed the new (12-22-98) bios because it was supposed to fix the external mouse problem upon resume. Now after a suspend via FN F4, all of a sudden at random times the machine will beep and sometimes come back from a suspend. This happens at random times and nobody is near the machine. I tried turning the mouse on it's side in case it's sensitive, still does it randomly. Anyone else seen this? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 16:06:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17477 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13798; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:05:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13667; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13654; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA28220; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:04:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36854F74.667B83FE@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:04:52 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MoxFulder1@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (765L) Hello References: <9983c4fc.36841646@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andy... MANY MANY people own that machine.. lots of help and support available also.. just ask questions when you need an answer..! :-) MoxFulder1@aol.com wrote: > Hello...I just purchased a ThinkPad 765L for use at college. Does anyone own > this computer/have experience with it? It is a P166MMX, has 32 mb ram, 3 gig > hard drive, and a 13.3 active matrix screen, which i think is great. anyone > else own this machine? > > --Andy > Williamstown, MA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 16:14:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17540 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14686; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14275; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14263; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA29127; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:11:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368550F2.93261112@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:11:14 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: TP List Subject: Re: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) References: <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> <3.0.1.32.19981224113230.0143f350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark, et al.. the recovery CD (at least from the 770-1AU would work on "any" HDD.. when it saw a fat32 drive, it did not "see" it, it just assumes an unformatted HDD and does its thing from step 1 to finish, recreating the entire preload.. newer recovery CD's do things a bit differently, but i think, for some reason, the fat32 blindness remains.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 07:50 AM 12/24/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >At 11:14 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>assuming the win95 load is the factory preload from the recovery disc, > >>reload the DVD application.. > >>then it should find the CD > > > > FYI, I went to do a clean re-install on my TP600 a few weeks ago and for > >some reason the recovery CD wouldn't work. > > > > A call to EZServe uncovered the problem: I had changed the partition to > >FAT32 (using Partition Magic). What's more, I *couldn't* change it back to > >FAT16 without a complete re-initialization of the entire drive (I was told > >that if I used Partition Magic to change it back to FAT16, that the system > >sees it as a "Non-DOS" disk and the recovery CD would *still* not work). > >Needless to say, I had moved most of the C: drive data over to D: or E: for > >easy return back to C: after the new install, so I didn't want to > >re-initialize the entire disk! > > > > So...if you have FAT32 on your C: drive, that maybe the reason your > >recovery CD doesn't work. > > On a 770 (9549-1AU), I had the entire volume as one FAT32 partition. The > recoveryCD > restored it no problem to its original FAT16 3 partition miasma of drives. > I did > FDISK and reformat it with standard DOS tools, though. Could it be > Partition Magic > that is the cause? > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 16:15:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17547 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14855; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14314; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14288; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (28.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.92]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA29273; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3685513D.D3C51475@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:12:29 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Meisner CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA socket config References: <000001be2f3f$263f99a0$3300a8c0@homer.msc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. first thing is, like you wiondered, remove all occurances of pcmcia slots and let win9x rediscover them.. Steve Meisner wrote: > HELP!!! > > I've got a 760ED and having a real problem with Win98 reconfiguring my > PCMCIA card slots. > > One day I reconfigured some other components unrelated to the PCMCIA stuff. > Now I am getting these phantom PCMCIA slots, labeled "- Socket 1" and "- > Socket 2" under the PCMCIA Properties. I can select them and hit the Stop > button. This causes the label to quickly change to "(Empty) - Socket x" then > back. > > So now I have: > > - Socket 1 > - Socket 2 > (Empty) - Socket 3 > (Empty) - Socket 4 > > when all I really have are the two PC Card slots. > > Other than being an irritation, sometimes PC Cards are not brought into > configuration properly. I have seen 2 entries for a single PC Card. If I > "Stop" both instances and then re-insert the card, it works. > > Should I completely remove the PCMCIA entry and let Win98 reinstalled it? > For that matter, (I forget) if I do that, do I need any special drivers from > the IBM site to do the reconfig? > > Thanks for any insight here!!!! > > Steve -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 16:16:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17573 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15383; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:15:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15055; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15004; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr4a39.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.39]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA09127 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812262115.QAA09127@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr4a39.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.39] 207.136.203.39 Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:30:06 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Value of DVD and other stuff X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Folks, I'm about to buy a 300mhz TP 600 for two reasons; all the 266mhz models seem to be sold out, and I've been living with a 100mhz 560 for a long time. Since there are two 300 mhz models I have a couple of questions for anyone: Is there any value (present or expected) to the DVD CD? I'm not into movies, and there doesn't seem to be anything else they are used for -- and at the moment I use OS2 so its a moot point anyway, but I'm told that support is coming. The other big difference between the models seems to be the AGP graphics, with deeper color depth. SInce I've never had a machine that went beyond 64K colors, is there a real value in the $350 price difference of these two machines? My main use for a more powerful machine will be voice dictation with OS2 (and maybe with the Java version of Viavoice if works as promised). Everything else I can think of doing will work on slower machines. Any advice accepted. --Including speculation on price reductions, new models, etc. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 17:05:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17895 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16530; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:05:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16445; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16433; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-056.usc.edu [128.125.223.56]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA17785 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981226135851.00b075b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:04:28 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <368550F2.93261112@icanect.net> References: <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> <3.0.1.32.19981224113230.0143f350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I *should* specify something about this recovery CD thing: On my TP600, the recovery CD offered an option of either wiping the whole HD and starting from scratch or installing only to a single C: partition, leaving the other partitions alone. I'm sure it would have worked if I was willing to wipe out the whole HD, but I wanted it to *only* wipe & format that first C: partition. It was under those circumstances--trying to target only one partition instead of the whole drive--that it wouldn't install on a FAT32 partition. If the C: partition had been FAT16, EZ Serve assured me it would have worked. At 04:11 PM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Mark, et al.. >the recovery CD (at least from the 770-1AU would work on "any" HDD.. >when it saw a fat32 drive, it did not "see" it, it just assumes an >unformatted HDD >and does its thing from step 1 to finish, recreating the entire preload.. > >newer recovery CD's do things a bit differently, but i think, for some >reason, the >fat32 blindness remains.. > >Mark Bell wrote: > >> At 07:50 AM 12/24/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >> >At 11:14 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>assuming the win95 load is the factory preload from the recovery disc, >> >>reload the DVD application.. >> >>then it should find the CD >> > >> > FYI, I went to do a clean re-install on my TP600 a few weeks ago >and for >> >some reason the recovery CD wouldn't work. >> > >> > A call to EZServe uncovered the problem: I had changed the >partition to >> >FAT32 (using Partition Magic). What's more, I *couldn't* change it back to >> >FAT16 without a complete re-initialization of the entire drive (I was told >> >that if I used Partition Magic to change it back to FAT16, that the system >> >sees it as a "Non-DOS" disk and the recovery CD would *still* not work). >> >Needless to say, I had moved most of the C: drive data over to D: or E: for >> >easy return back to C: after the new install, so I didn't want to >> >re-initialize the entire disk! >> > >> > So...if you have FAT32 on your C: drive, that maybe the reason your >> >recovery CD doesn't work. >> >> On a 770 (9549-1AU), I had the entire volume as one FAT32 partition. The >> recoveryCD >> restored it no problem to its original FAT16 3 partition miasma of drives. >> I did >> FDISK and reformat it with standard DOS tools, though. Could it be >> Partition Magic >> that is the cause? >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> Network and System consultation and installation >> -------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), >760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), >701C(6.3gig, 40meg), >755CE(no gig, 40meg), >750C(no gig, 4meg), >IBM WorkPad(1meg) > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done >on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 17:12:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17930 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17100; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:11:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16915; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16903; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-195.islandnet.com [139.142.112.195] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m0zu1w1-000KtoC for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:30:55 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Responding to my own posting! A kind gentleman sent me a file RESETBAT.EXE 6687 bytes You boot your 701 into MS-DOS mode, run the program. At this point the battery gauge in Fn-F1 will show the correct battery level (in my case, 2%). However, the charging light (far left) will not come on until you reboot the machine. In an hour, I had my NiMH up to 100%. And it really is charged, now. I did a dump of resetbat.exe, there was no copyright or authorship information. I think it is a useful utility for any 701 owner to have on disk. This is not the first time that the 701 charger has gotten confused, although it is the first time that nothing else would straighten it out. In article , jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: :I have an IBM Thinkpad 701 Butterfly, now out of warranty. : :The computer always thinks that the battery is charged, no :matter how much it has run down! This is an NiMH battery. If I :leave the computer unplugged, after a while (used to be :minutes, now is 2-3 seconds) the screen goes blank and the :machine begins to click and the power light goes on and off. :Not a good variation. I'm thinking it might be better for me :at this point to not carry the battery at all. : :My question: what can I do? :Is there a (DOS?) utility which will tell the computer that the :darned battery is uncharged, turn on the charge light, let's :get on with it? : Yes! [...] -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 17:34:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18099 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17717; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:34:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17586; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [207.229.143.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17574; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21041 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:34:02 -0000 Received: from max4k-5-8.chi-tcg.enteract.com (207.229.173.8) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:34:02 -0000 From: mocek@enteract.com (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:35:01 -0600 Reply-To: mocek@enteract.com Message-ID: <36866400.29546305@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:30:55 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >Responding to my own posting! > >A kind gentleman sent me a file >RESETBAT.EXE 6687 bytes Since I still own a 701C (rarely used anymore - and not having battery problems yet), I'd be interested in this program. I did an FTP search and didn't come up wit anything. Did this kind gentleman say where the file could be found? -- Stan Mocek mocek@enteract.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 17:47:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18178 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18327; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:46:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18127; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18115; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-081.usc.edu [128.125.223.81]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA20634; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981226140651.00b08100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:44:46 -0800 To: , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff In-Reply-To: <199812262115.QAA09127@pike.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:30 PM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Is there any value (present or expected) to the DVD CD? I'm not into >movies, and there doesn't seem to be anything else they are used for -- >and at the moment I use OS2 so its a moot point anyway, but I'm told that >support is coming. Over Thanksgiving I was speaking with a person who works for a software company that regularly publishes large database items on CD. Their most recent product required 3 CD's to put everything on it. He mentioned that when CD's first came out, it was a godsend for his section of the industry--they had more room than they knew what to do with and rarely ever filled a CD to capacity. But as search & database engines, as well as CPU's, have gotten more powerful (such that searching hundreds of megabytes of info is relatively painless), companies like his got more ambitious about putting more and more data into their database packages. So now, instead of giving you a CD, you get 2 or 3 or even more CD's in a package. It is his contention that when DVD drives get widespread (he didn't estimate a figure) enough, CD's will largely be supplanted by DVD's, and products like their most recent one will all fit on that one DVD instead of a 3 CD's (not certain of the numbers, but as I understand it DVD holds 2.6 GB? That would be 4 CDs' worth It may even hold 4+ GB if commercially pressed--feel free to chime in if you know more, list). And writable DVD drives are available as of this month. Only $700. The cheapest CD-R's go for around $200+, and when they first came out they were well in excess of $1,000. DVD's have a pretty good start. Now to your question...would I go out of my way to get a DVD drive in my new ThinkPad, even though I don't intend to watch DVD movies on it? If it was convenient--only marginally more expensive than a standard CD drive, yes. But if I was spending any significant amount of money in excess (say, $100 or more), no, I wouldn't. The fact of the matter is you're just making a bet as to whether DVD will become ubiquitious as a means of computer data distribution in the near future--sometime before you decide you Thinkpad is obsolete and replace it anyway. If you're like me, I've averaged 2 or 3 years per ThinkPad. Do I think DVD will become widespread for data distribution in 3 years? Not at all. In 5 years? Maybe. In 10? Quite likely. So for me, the DVD would be used with CD's and nothing else for quite some time to come and by the time there *were* DVD computer data discs...I'd be on to a new machine. CD's spread wide and fast, but truthfully, they didn't have any real competition. DVD does--its call the CD, and it first has to supplant an already large installed base. Sure, you can read CD's in a DVD drive, but DVD drives are relatively slow at it. Most people are thinking, "Gee, I'm only going to use CD's in it anyway, so why have a DVD drive--which I'll never put DVD discs into--and have it read my CD's at 6x speed (or whatever it is) when the "regular" CD player does it at 32X speed and does it for $200 less?" Its obstacles like those that will make the road a little tougher for DVD than it was for CD's, which didn't have to supplant anything but its own price (I remember paying $350 for a *used* 150 KB/s--that's 1x (2x & higher multi-speed drives hadn't been invented yet)--CD reader and knowing I had gotten a *good* deal, back in 1991 or so. Now for less than $50 you can get one that reads at 32x speed. With that in mind, I personally will just wait until I actually *see* a computer-data DVD before I think about buying a DVD drive. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 18:07:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18319 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18976; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:05:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18760; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18746; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl ([12.77.31.246]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981226230515.IRL23130@dts_jl> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:05:15 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981226180627.00b59100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:06:27 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981226135851.00b075b0@rcf.usc.edu> References: <368550F2.93261112@icanect.net> <3681BFC3.F5F54D13@icanect.net> <368040D1.525C4288@us.ibm.com> <3.0.1.32.19981224113230.0143f350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:04 PM 12/26/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > I *should* specify something about this recovery CD thing: > > On my TP600, the recovery CD offered an option of either wiping the whole >HD and starting from scratch or installing only to a single C: partition, >leaving the other partitions alone. > > I'm sure it would have worked if I was willing to wipe out the whole HD, >but I wanted it to *only* wipe & format that first C: partition. It was >under those circumstances--trying to target only one partition instead of >the whole drive--that it wouldn't install on a FAT32 partition. If the C: >partition had been FAT16, EZ Serve assured me it would have worked. > Yep, it will work - I was playing with my new one last night and was able to format just my C: partition and load the original image - it left my D: partition alone. Only oddity I ran into was that the recovery didn't work until I removed my network card and modem cards. Oh, the initial stage of the reload appeared to work, but when the machine rebooted to install NT40, it froze just as the turquoise screenlet appeared. Tried it again; same results. Tried it again; same results. (OK, I'm a slow learner! ) I was gnashing my teeth thinking that I would have to let it redo the entire drive as it came in the system when I thought about the PC cards. Worked like a charm once I removed them. Love the TP600, by the way - the screen is fabulous. Wish I could wave a magic wand and all my data, apps and registry entries would just hop over >from the TP760XL, though! Hope everyone on the list is having Happy Holidays! Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 18:12:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18346 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19450; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:11:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19256; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19244; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a33.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.49]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03944; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:11:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812262311.QAA03944@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 98 16:08:45 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , Steve Meisner , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <3685513D.D3C51475@icanect.net> Subject: Re: PCMCIA socket config X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 List-Unsubscribe: In <3685513D.D3C51475@icanect.net>, on 12/26/98 at 04:12 PM, Bill Morrow said: >Steve.. >first thing is, like you wiondered, remove all occurances of pcmcia >slots and let win9x rediscover them.. Looks like he configured the system in a docking station and then removed it. The results are normal. If he wants to "get rid" of the extra sockets, he must do as you stated. This is to remove all PC Card devices and then the PCMCIA controller. Then install the devices to be used with the machine in its current configuration, and let Windows9X run through a hardware discovery. If the devices are left in, the PCMCIA controller cannot be deleted. >> So now I have: >> >> - Socket 1 >> - Socket 2 >> (Empty) - Socket 3 >> (Empty) - Socket 4 >> >> when all I really have are the two PC Card slots. >> Should I completely remove the PCMCIA entry and let Win98 reinstalled it? >> For that matter, (I forget) if I do that, do I need any special drivers from >> the IBM site to do the reconfig? See above for insightful information on how I "got rid" of this. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Dec 26 21:29:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19906 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22596; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22300; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22288; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id VAA23915 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from HOMER by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id ha002061 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:25:03 -0500 From: "Steve Meisner" To: , "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: PCMCIA socket config Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3140$1a96a1e0$3300a8c0@homer.msc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199812262311.QAA03944@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: Yup! That did it. Just thought I'd ask before going ahead and deleting the entries for the controller. But you were both correct in letting Win9x discover and configure the PCMCIA controllers. I redocked in both the Selectadock III and my Dock II and everything is configured and working properly now!! Thanks again, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: os2support@theriver.com [mailto:os2support@theriver.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 1998 6:09 PM > To: Bill Morrow; Steve Meisner; ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: PCMCIA socket config > > > In <3685513D.D3C51475@icanect.net>, on 12/26/98 > at 04:12 PM, Bill Morrow said: > > >Steve.. > >first thing is, like you wiondered, remove all occurances of pcmcia > >slots and let win9x rediscover them.. > > Looks like he configured the system in a docking station and then > removed it. The results are normal. If he wants to "get rid" of the > extra sockets, he must do as you stated. This is to remove all PC > Card devices and then the PCMCIA controller. Then install the devices > to be used with the machine in its current configuration, and let > Windows9X run through a hardware discovery. If the devices are left > in, the PCMCIA controller cannot be deleted. >> So now I have: > >> > >> - Socket 1 > >> - Socket 2 > >> (Empty) - Socket 3 > >> (Empty) - Socket 4 > >> > >> when all I really have are the two PC Card slots. > > >> Should I completely remove the PCMCIA entry and let Win98 > reinstalled it? > >> For that matter, (I forget) if I do that, do I need any > special drivers from > >> the IBM site to do the reconfig? > > See above for insightful information on how I "got rid" of this. > > James > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora > Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 > NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com > New rates for unsolicited e-mails: > Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. > -------------------------------------------- > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 00:03:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21524 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25069; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:02:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24931; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24915; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from amdk6266 ([205.130.18.45]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 9605200 ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be3155$d794ffc0$020aa8c0@amdk6266> From: "Slip" To: "Jonathan Berry" , Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:00:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: ---->A kind gentleman sent me a file >RESETBAT.EXE 6687 bytes > >You boot your 701 into MS-DOS mode, run the program. >At this point the battery gauge in Fn-F1 will show the correct >battery level (in my case, 2%). However, the charging light >(far left) will not come on until you reboot the machine. An older technicion(appearently) told me about this program. He directed me to a site on IBM(the driver file matrix) and told me it was there. I only had one line at the time and went to look for it. Seeing that the file wasnt' there, I called back IBM and of course, got another technician. I'v talked to 3 or 4 different ones looking for this file. The guy said that it was a 'reconditioner' or sorts. Anyways, you dont happen to have a place that the public could get this do you? Also, do you know all the problems this program would fix? Hey, thanks a lot, 'preciate it. -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 02:27:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22601 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27616; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:26:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27444; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27432; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:26:33 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MoxFulder1@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CERFa05610 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:25:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:25:45 EST To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: What is difference between "D" and "L" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 List-Unsubscribe: What is the difference between a 765D and a 765L? In general, what do these extra letters signify with regards to laptops? --andy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 08:44:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24806 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08091; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:43:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07906; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07894; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-11.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.11]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA04284; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:42:57 -0600 Message-ID: <002501be319e$d0aac980$1c1f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: What is difference between "D" and "L" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:41:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: The "D" includes IBM's Mwave modem and audio device. In my opinion, it is more trouble than it is worth. The modem performance significantly lags behind what you'll obtain from a PC Card modem and the audio device consumes more resources than a conventional audio chip such as the ESS1688 that is inside the 765L. Also, the "D" includes an 8x CD-ROM but you can add that to the 765L. Otherwise, the two machines are identical. -----Original Message----- From: MoxFulder1@aol.com To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 1:28 AM Subject: What is difference between "D" and "L" >What is the difference between a 765D and a 765L? In general, what do these >extra letters signify with regards to laptops? > >--andy > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 12:53:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26477 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11395; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:51:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11233; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11220; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (slip-32-101-51-122.nc.us.ibm.net [32.101.51.122]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA129764 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:51:00 GMT Message-Id: <199812271751.RAA129764@out4.ibm.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:52:42 EST From: Ron Ross Reply-To: Ron Ross Subject: Where to buy.. Parts & Accesories List-Unsubscribe: I recently a gift of a ThinkPad660 with 266PII, 64k memory, 4.2gig hd, MWav= e 33.6 modem. I Love It!! I am currently running WARP4 with fixpack 9, and I *need* to in= stall Windows 95( or 98?). At any rate, I need to buy a 1.44meg floppy and the external holder, and a = small protective case that will neatly carry the ThinkPad in my briefcase. Where would you recommend? Thanx... Ron /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ = Ron Ross rjross@ibm.net RJR Consultants, Inc Charlotte, N.C. = Member of Team OS/2 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ PGP public key avaliable upon request From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 14:35:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27526 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13203; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:34:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13047; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13035; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA26919 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199812271934.LAA26919@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dvd and writeable dvd List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:44:46 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff It is his contention that when DVD drives get widespread (he didn't estimate a figure) enough, CD's will largely be supplanted by DVD's, and products like their most recent one will all fit on that one DVD instead of a 3 CD's (not certain of the numbers, but as I understand it DVD holds 2.6 GB? That would be 4 CDs' worth It may even hold 4+ GB if commercially pressed--feel free to chime in if you know more, list). DVD's (4-layer) can hold up to 18 GB, but I don't think they're being made yet. Double layer DVD's up to 9 GB are being made, I think. And writable DVD drives are available as of this month. Only $700. The cheapest CD-R's go for around $200+, and when they first came out they were well in excess of $1,000. DVD's have a pretty good start. The writable DVD drives currently available at those prices (2.6 GB) are called DVD-RAM. They are a DVD-related technology but calling them DVD's is misleading. They are NOT compatible with DVD-ROM drives, i.e. you CANNOT put one of those discs in your Thinkpad DVD drive and read it. There is another type of recordable DVD that's more like CD-R but it's a lot more expensive (like $10K+ for the drive). Maybe those prices will fall sooner or later. Meanwhile, CD-R still seems about as good as you can do. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 17:19:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28765 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16029; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15838; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15826; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (slip-32-101-50-153.nc.us.ibm.net [32.101.50.153]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA41992 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:18:24 GMT Message-Id: <199812272218.WAA41992@out4.ibm.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:20:06 EST From: Ron Ross Reply-To: Ron Ross Subject: Where to buy.. Parts & Accesories List-Unsubscribe: I recently a gift of a ThinkPad660 with 266PII, 64k memory, 4.2gig hd, MWav= e 33.6 modem. I Love It!! I am currently running WARP4 with fixpack 9, and I *need* to in= stall Windows 95( or 98?). At any rate, I need to buy a 1.44meg floppy and the external holder, and a = small protective case that will neatly carry the ThinkPad in my briefcase. Where would you recommend? Thanx... Ron /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ = Ron Ross rjross@ibm.net RJR Consultants, Inc Charlotte, N.C. = Member of Team OS/2 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ PGP public key avaliable upon request From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 17:22:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28786 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16297; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:21:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16161; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16145; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28498; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:20:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:20:54 -0800 Message-ID: <001601be31e7$2b1c8b90$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981226135851.00b075b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > I *should* specify something about this recovery CD thing: > > On my TP600, the recovery CD offered an option of either > wiping the whole > HD and starting from scratch or installing only to a single C: partition, > leaving the other partitions alone. > > I'm sure it would have worked if I was willing to wipe out > the whole HD, > but I wanted it to *only* wipe & format that first C: partition. It was > under those circumstances--trying to target only one partition instead of > the whole drive--that it wouldn't install on a FAT32 partition. If the C: > partition had been FAT16, EZ Serve assured me it would have worked. This makes perfect sense. Try booting the recovery boot floppy and then hit the F5 key after the screen clears and you see the small "IBM ThinkPad" message in plain text. You will get an A:\> prompt; type the VER command there. You'll notice that you're running PC DOS 7.0. Try DIR C: and if your C drive is FAT32, it will say "Invalid drive specification." Don't worry, your C: drive is still there, it's just not recognized by PC DOS 7.0. At this point you could run FDISK to delete the unrecognized FAT32 partition and re-create it as a vanilla FAT16 partition. Then the "C: only" recovery ought to work fine. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 19:42:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00351 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19501; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18943; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (onlink4.onlink.net [206.108.253.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18916; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nrba2-5.onlink.net (nrba2-5.onlink.net [207.210.99.134]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA48376 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199812280039.TAA48376@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:31:20 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I think I've broken the PCMCIA modem List-Unsubscribe: As previous postings have shown I am not the world's most competent computer user, nor the one most familiar with OS/2 warp 4 (Fixpack 9). I think that I have surpassed myself by breaking the PCMCIA 56kbs which came with my Thinkpad 385XD while trying to upgrade it to V90 from X2. When I test the modem by entering Echo ATDT>Com2 nothing happens - the cursor just keeps flickering, and I have to close the window to regain control. Does this mean what I think it means; that the modem is broken? Please bear with me as I outline the sequence of actions which led to this event I Using the OS/2 Thinkpad utilities I enabled the serial port, and set it to com1. 2 I added (2,0f8,3) to the device=d:\os2\boot\com.sys line in config.sys, and then rebooted. 2 I disabled hibernation and closed down the screen saver. 3 I copied v9ibm556.exe to a directory on my hard drive, and ran it >from an OS/2 window using the same path. The screen showed com3 and com4 inactive, and the next line showed 'resetting modem'. But it then sat that way for more than an hour, doing nothing, so I closed the window. The PC Card director shows that a modem card is in slot 1 and is active. When I reboot I get a beep at the onset, and a beep after boot manager has done its thing. I did not have the modem working before this effort, so I don't know if I have done something bad here, or just not set the modem up properly. Can anyone please help? Regards, Alex http://www.onlink.net/~outreach/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 19:42:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00352 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19498; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18940; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (onlink4.onlink.net [206.108.253.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18918; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nrba2-5.onlink.net (nrba2-5.onlink.net [207.210.99.134]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA48172 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199812280039.TAA48172@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:35:05 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommended 56kbs v90 PCMCIA card for OS/2? List-Unsubscribe: As mentioned in another posting I think that I have broken the PCMCIA card which came with my Thinkpad 385XD. If I have and want to replace it what would you recommend for use with OS/2? Regards, Alex http://www.onlink.net/~outreach/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 21:29:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01472 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21563; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:28:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21370; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21358; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a24.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.40]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16303; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:28:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812280228.TAA16303@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 98 19:28:30 -0700 To: "Alex Bell" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <199812280039.TAA48172@onlink4.onlink.net> Subject: Re: Recommended 56kbs v90 PCMCIA card for OS/2? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 List-Unsubscribe: In <199812280039.TAA48172@onlink4.onlink.net>, on 12/27/98 at 07:35 PM, "Alex Bell" said: >As mentioned in another posting I think that I have broken the PCMCIA >card which came with my Thinkpad 385XD. If I have and want to >replace it what would you recommend for use with OS/2? A "true" USR/3Com V.90 modem. Stay away from so called "WinModems". James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Dec 27 22:56:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02405 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23203; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:55:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23005; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22993; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr4a45.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.45]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05487 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:54:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812280354.WAA05487@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr4a45.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.45] 207.136.203.45 Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:54:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:46:43 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Value of AGP graphics X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: I think you folks have shown that the DVD drives in ThinkPads don't have any value, unless one is playing movies. Is this also true of the AGP graphics that is in the TP 600E? Are the graphics on the 600E generally superior so that something like occasional photo editing, or displaying say a 300 page Review or Acrobat file would be measurably faster? BTW, for anyone who may be archiving files, the OS2 program Review ver. 2.4 is in beta and running better then any shrink wrapped windows program I ever owned. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 00:11:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03061 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25082; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:10:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24862; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24837; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-158.usc.edu [128.125.223.158]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA10245; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:09:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981227210349.00a01220@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:06:00 -0800 To: "Michael Geary" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <001601be31e7$2b1c8b90$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <4.1.19981226135851.00b075b0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:20 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >> On my TP600, the recovery CD offered an option of either >> wiping the whole >> HD and starting from scratch or installing only to a single C: partition, >> leaving the other partitions alone. >> >> I'm sure it would have worked if I was willing to wipe out >> the whole HD, >> but I wanted it to *only* wipe & format that first C: partition. It was >This makes perfect sense. Try booting the recovery boot floppy and then hit >the F5 key after the screen clears and you see the small "IBM ThinkPad" >message in plain text. You will get an A:\> prompt; type the VER command >there. You'll notice that you're running PC DOS 7.0. Try DIR C: and if your >C drive is FAT32, it will say "Invalid drive specification." Don't worry, >your C: drive is still there, it's just not recognized by PC DOS 7.0. > >At this point you could run FDISK to delete the unrecognized FAT32 partition >and re-create it as a vanilla FAT16 partition. Then the "C: only" recovery >ought to work fine. Ahh, but what you forget is that when you have an extended partition *after* that first partition, you can't simply delete & recreate the first partition as a FAT16--you have to remove the extended partitions first (defeating the purpose of trying to target the first partition only). ----- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net - Practice random acts of senseless viol...err...kindness! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 00:56:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03411 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26566; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:55:47 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26385; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id AAA11287 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnny5.goamerica.net (johnny5.goamerica.net [206.138.237.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14608; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ga03cp01.goamerica.net (ga03cp01.goamerica.net [206.138.237.80]) by johnny5.goamerica.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02654 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ga03cp01.goamerica.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4/AirBoss) id OAA22409; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:52:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199812271952.OAA22409@ga03cp01.goamerica.net> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:57:25 PST X-Mailer: AirBoss Mobile Messaging Version 2.0.2d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Teresa Selling X-From: Teresa Selling Reply-To: Teresa Selling To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: What is difference between "D" and "L" Status: U List-Unsubscribe: You also do not get the hardware MPEG support with the L model. >The "D" includes IBM's Mwave modem and audio device. In my opinion, it is >more trouble than it is worth. The modem performance significantly lags >behind what you'll obtain from a PC Card modem and the audio device consumes >more resources than a conventional audio chip such as the ESS1688 that is >inside the 765L. Also, the "D" includes an 8x CD-ROM but you can add that >to the 765L. Otherwise, the two machines are identical. > >-----Original Message----- >From: MoxFulder1@aol.com >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 1:28 AM >Subject: What is difference between "D" and "L" > > >>What is the difference between a 765D and a 765L? In general, what do >these >>extra letters signify with regards to laptops? >> >>--andy >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 01:09:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03491 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27665; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:09:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27559; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27547; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23695; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:08:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:08:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001701be3228$853fe3b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981227210349.00a01220@rcf.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Ahh, but what you forget is that when you have an extended partition > *after* that first partition, you can't simply delete & recreate the first > partition as a FAT16--you have to remove the extended partitions first > (defeating the purpose of trying to target the first partition only). Oh! Man, those details will always get you. I wonder if Partition Magic would let you recreate the primary partition while leaving the extended partition alone? -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 01:20:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03555 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28146; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28027; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28014; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-158.usc.edu [128.125.223.158]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA15266; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:19:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981227221646.00ad7950@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:18:54 -0800 To: "Michael Geary" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <001701be3228$853fe3b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <4.1.19981227210349.00a01220@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:08 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Ahh, but what you forget is that when you have an extended partition >> *after* that first partition, you can't simply delete & recreate the first >> partition as a FAT16--you have to remove the extended partitions first >> (defeating the purpose of trying to target the first partition only). > >Oh! Man, those details will always get you. > >I wonder if Partition Magic would let you recreate the primary partition >while leaving the extended partition alone? Sure it would (I think--I could be wrong). But as I said (at least according to EZ Serve), even if PM *does* do that, partitions created or changed by Partition Magic are seen by the setup CD as "non-DOS" partitions. Part of the "Magic" in Partition Magic is its downfall for this particular application. ---- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 01:21:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03565 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28524; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:20:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28154; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28125; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06663 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981227210349.00a01220@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > Ahh, but what you forget is that when you have an extended partition > *after* that first partition, you can't simply delete & recreate the first > partition as a FAT16--you have to remove the extended partitions first > (defeating the purpose of trying to target the first partition only). This is a limitation of DOS fdisk only. The fdisk that comes with OS/2, Linux, possibly NT, and probably Partition Magic can delete and recreate the primary partition without touching the extended partition. In fact, they should allow you to have up to 4 primary partitions (or 3 primary + 1 extended), although only one can be visible at a time under Dos/Win. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 01:38:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03640 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29470; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:37:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29355; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29332; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (24.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.88]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA15709; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:37:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3687272A.72D7124@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:37:30 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: os2support@theriver.com CC: Steve Meisner , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA socket config References: <199812262311.QAA03944@pantano.theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ahh.. so..! my blind spot.. i NEVER use a docking station.. thus i never think what effect one will have.. os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In <3685513D.D3C51475@icanect.net>, on 12/26/98 > at 04:12 PM, Bill Morrow said: > > >Steve.. > >first thing is, like you wiondered, remove all occurances of pcmcia > >slots and let win9x rediscover them.. > > Looks like he configured the system in a docking station and then > removed it. The results are normal. If he wants to "get rid" of the > extra sockets, he must do as you stated. This is to remove all PC > Card devices and then the PCMCIA controller. Then install the devices > to be used with the machine in its current configuration, and let > Windows9X run through a hardware discovery. If the devices are left > in, the PCMCIA controller cannot be deleted. >> So now I have: > >> > >> - Socket 1 > >> - Socket 2 > >> (Empty) - Socket 3 > >> (Empty) - Socket 4 > >> > >> when all I really have are the two PC Card slots. > > >> Should I completely remove the PCMCIA entry and let Win98 reinstalled it? > >> For that matter, (I forget) if I do that, do I need any special drivers from > >> the IBM site to do the reconfig? > > See above for insightful information on how I "got rid" of this. > > James > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora > Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 > NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com > New rates for unsolicited e-mails: > Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. > -------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 02:27:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04084 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01378; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:26:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01165; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01152; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter (142.90.100.95) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:26:45 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: , Subject: Re: Value of AGP graphics Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:26:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01be3233$609745c0$5f645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: -of AGP graphics >I think you folks have shown that the DVD drives in ThinkPads don't have >any value, unless one is playing movies. Is this also true of the AGP >graphics that is in the TP 600E? Yup , If you mean that AGP is mainly INTEL BS. NOTE : AGP is fine ........But other then the reinvention of the VL Bus, it ain't a whole lot. ;-} IT's main benifitiary seems to be the i740 chipset .......yee; what a surprise. ;-} You will see NO effects in Arcobat due to AGP. ..peter.. TRIUMF -UBC -SFU Folks, I could add 27 pages explaining How Bw issues (Band Width ) of PCI are a non issue for most users but ...... Most of us just don't have the time ;-] AGP is fine; but it was simply invented to share memory for 3D effects. Are the graphics on the 600E generally superior so that something like >occasional photo editing, or displaying say a 300 page Review or Acrobat >file would be measurably faster? > > >BTW, for anyone who may be archiving files, the OS2 program Review ver. >2.4 is in beta and running better then any shrink wrapped windows program >I ever owned. > >_____________ >letoured@sover.net > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 02:51:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04252 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02080; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:50:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01972; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01960; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22824 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1998 07:50:43 -0000 Received: from user2.teleport.com (pccare@192.108.254.12) by smtp2.teleport.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1998 07:50:43 -0000 Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14494; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:50:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Michael Geary cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: <001701be3228$853fe3b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Michael Geary wrote: > I wonder if Partition Magic would let you recreate the primary partition > while leaving the extended partition alone? Yes. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp 4.0, NTW 4.0, & the HP200LX, PGP 2.x Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 04:11:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA04835 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00845; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00694; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00682; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (24.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.88]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA27930; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368730C2.A29E1568@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:18:26 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) References: <001701be3228$853fe3b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael.. Yes.. Michael Geary wrote: > > Ahh, but what you forget is that when you have an extended partition > > *after* that first partition, you can't simply delete & recreate the first > > partition as a FAT16--you have to remove the extended partitions first > > (defeating the purpose of trying to target the first partition only). > > Oh! Man, those details will always get you. > > I wonder if Partition Magic would let you recreate the primary partition > while leaving the extended partition alone? > > -Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 04:14:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA04852 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29138; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:35:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28991; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28979; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (24.p1.usr01.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.166.88]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA15441; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36872698.E4BCF3FE@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:35:05 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: letoured@sover.net, TP List Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff References: <4.1.19981226140651.00b08100@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal... my guess is that in 10 years no one will recognise ANYTHING that we are using today as much more than quaint museum pieces.. also, DVD is already here for data storage.. wit. MS Encarta.. would i pay for DVD.. you bet.. :-) do i watch movies, sure i do, on rare occasions.. :-) more often i run encarta.. morrow's rule #1. the more space there is, the louder the cry for more space... okok.. i know that you are closer to the market, but i'm older and i have seen the changes in the last 15 years, and the rate of acceleration is increasing.. feverishly so.. Y2K..!!! HAH..!! everything will be replaced by then..!! :-)) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 03:30 PM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Is there any value (present or expected) to the DVD CD? I'm not into > >movies, and there doesn't seem to be anything else they are used for -- > >and at the moment I use OS2 so its a moot point anyway, but I'm told that > >support is coming. > > Over Thanksgiving I was speaking with a person who works for a software > company that regularly publishes large database items on CD. Their most > recent product required 3 CD's to put everything on it. > > He mentioned that when CD's first came out, it was a godsend for his > section of the industry--they had more room than they knew what to do with > and rarely ever filled a CD to capacity. > > But as search & database engines, as well as CPU's, have gotten more > powerful (such that searching hundreds of megabytes of info is relatively > painless), companies like his got more ambitious about putting more and > more data into their database packages. So now, instead of giving you a > CD, you get 2 or 3 or even more CD's in a package. > > It is his contention that when DVD drives get widespread (he didn't > estimate a figure) enough, CD's will largely be supplanted by DVD's, and > products like their most recent one will all fit on that one DVD instead of > a 3 CD's (not certain of the numbers, but as I understand it DVD holds 2.6 > GB? That would be 4 CDs' worth It may even hold 4+ GB if commercially > pressed--feel free to chime in if you know more, list). > > And writable DVD drives are available as of this month. Only $700. The > cheapest CD-R's go for around $200+, and when they first came out they were > well in excess of $1,000. DVD's have a pretty good start. > > Now to your question...would I go out of my way to get a DVD drive in my > new ThinkPad, even though I don't intend to watch DVD movies on it? If it > was convenient--only marginally more expensive than a standard CD drive, > yes. But if I was spending any significant amount of money in excess (say, > $100 or more), no, I wouldn't. > > The fact of the matter is you're just making a bet as to whether DVD will > become ubiquitious as a means of computer data distribution in the near > future--sometime before you decide you Thinkpad is obsolete and replace it > anyway. If you're like me, I've averaged 2 or 3 years per ThinkPad. Do I > think DVD will become widespread for data distribution in 3 years? Not at > all. In 5 years? Maybe. In 10? Quite likely. So for me, the DVD would > be used with CD's and nothing else for quite some time to come and by the > time there *were* DVD computer data discs...I'd be on to a new machine. > > CD's spread wide and fast, but truthfully, they didn't have any real > competition. DVD does--its call the CD, and it first has to supplant an > already large installed base. Sure, you can read CD's in a DVD drive, but > DVD drives are relatively slow at it. Most people are thinking, "Gee, I'm > only going to use CD's in it anyway, so why have a DVD drive--which I'll > never put DVD discs into--and have it read my CD's at 6x speed (or whatever > it is) when the "regular" CD player does it at 32X speed and does it for > $200 less?" Its obstacles like those that will make the road a little > tougher for DVD than it was for CD's, which didn't have to supplant > anything but its own price (I remember paying $350 for a *used* 150 > KB/s--that's 1x (2x & higher multi-speed drives hadn't been invented > yet)--CD reader and knowing I had gotten a *good* deal, back in 1991 or so. > Now for less than $50 you can get one that reads at 32x speed. > > With that in mind, I personally will just wait until I actually *see* a > computer-data DVD before I think about buying a DVD drive. > > ---- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 07:23:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA05864 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12512; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:21:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12342; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (root@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.201]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12330; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from riboweb.Stanford.EDU (riboweb.Stanford.EDU [171.65.32.79]) by crg-gw.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA26831; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgo@localhost) by riboweb.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04587; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:21:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: "John G. Olyarchuk" Sender: jgo@crg-gw.Stanford.EDU To: peter machule cc: letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Value of AGP graphics In-Reply-To: <01be3233$609745c0$5f645a8e@peter> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Peter, I had posted the following question regarding AGP a while ago, but no one responded. Can you help me understand this? Thanks, John ...Regarding AGP vs PCI, the TP770X has an AGP CPU, but the IBM web site lists the graphics bus interface as PCI. However, for the TP600 with an AGP CPU, it lists the graphics bus interface as AGP. Can someone explain this discrepancy? Does the fact that the 770x graphics subsystem not have an AGP interface mean that it can not make use of this feature?... On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, peter machule wrote: > > -of AGP graphics > > >I think you folks have shown that the DVD drives in ThinkPads don't have > >any value, unless one is playing movies. Is this also true of the AGP > >graphics that is in the TP 600E? > > Yup , If you mean that AGP is mainly INTEL BS. > > NOTE : AGP is fine ........But other then the reinvention of the > VL Bus, it ain't a whole lot. ;-} > IT's main benifitiary seems to be the i740 chipset .......yee; what a surprise. ;-} > > You will see NO effects in Arcobat due to AGP. > > ..peter.. > TRIUMF -UBC -SFU > > Folks, I could add 27 pages explaining How Bw issues (Band Width ) of PCI are > a non issue for most users but ...... > Most of us just don't have the time ;-] > > AGP is fine; but it was simply invented to share memory for 3D effects. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 08:57:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06551 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14666; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:56:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14523; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14511; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb0509.capecod.net [209.244.246.1]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA10624 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: <36878DEA.47CDFC86@capecod.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:55:54 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP-700C Y2K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just discovered that my TP 700-C is not Y2K compliant. Does anyone know if there is a BIOS upgrade available that will fix the clock? Thanks Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 09:14:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06713 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:14:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15412; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:13:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15269; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15257; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from us.ibm.com (ss06.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.71]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA47274; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:13:25 GMT Message-ID: <36879267.33DD75AB@us.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:15:03 -0700 From: Bob Angell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff References: <4.1.19981226140651.00b08100@rcf.usc.edu> <36872698.E4BCF3FE@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think I will put in my $.02US .... Bill, I think you are correct in terms of what we will see in 10 years. I have a DVD as part of a 770ED that came my way as a result of my job. I did not even worry about the DVD and put WinNT Server/Workstation on the machine initially. With those OSs on the machine, it performed sub-optimally and did not give me all the features ie. DVD/Good power management. I have since switched back to Win95 (yuck!) and now get all the "goodies" that are built into this machine. I would love to have a Linux build on here that would cover everything (DVD,Power Management,Business Software(work related),etc.) as that would be the optimal platform. As per the DVD - I WILL USE IT! I cannot tell you the number of times that I am sitting on a plane, bored with what is playing (or having to shell out $3.00US to purchase a damn headset that hurts your ears after about 45 seconds of wear) and wishing I had something better to do than play pinball or solitare. Now, I can pull out a rented movie (not going to shell out $30.00US+/movie) for the trip home. I will also look at getting encarta on DVD as that may also become valuable. I would love to see the Oxford Dictionary on (1)DVD (it might work) so that I have a decent dictionary in tow. Many uses ... even if I would have to purchase it as an extra item, it would be valuable. Well, enough rambling. -Bob- Bill Morrow wrote: > > Randal... > > my guess is that in 10 years no one will recognise ANYTHING that we are using today > as much more than quaint museum pieces.. > > also, DVD is already here for data storage.. wit. MS Encarta.. > > would i pay for DVD.. you bet.. :-) > do i watch movies, sure i do, on rare occasions.. :-) > more often i run encarta.. > > morrow's rule #1. > the more space there is, the louder the cry for more space... > > okok.. > i know that you are closer to the market, but i'm older and i have seen the changes > in the last 15 years, and the rate of acceleration is increasing.. feverishly so.. > > Y2K..!!! HAH..!! > everything will be replaced by then..!! :-)) > > Randal Whittle wrote: > > > At 03:30 PM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Is there any value (present or expected) to the DVD CD? I'm not into > > >movies, and there doesn't seem to be anything else they are used for -- > > >and at the moment I use OS2 so its a moot point anyway, but I'm told that > > >support is coming. > > > > Over Thanksgiving I was speaking with a person who works for a software > > company that regularly publishes large database items on CD. Their most > > recent product required 3 CD's to put everything on it. > > > > He mentioned that when CD's first came out, it was a godsend for his > > section of the industry--they had more room than they knew what to do with > > and rarely ever filled a CD to capacity. > > > > But as search & database engines, as well as CPU's, have gotten more > > powerful (such that searching hundreds of megabytes of info is relatively > > painless), companies like his got more ambitious about putting more and > > more data into their database packages. So now, instead of giving you a > > CD, you get 2 or 3 or even more CD's in a package. > > > > It is his contention that when DVD drives get widespread (he didn't > > estimate a figure) enough, CD's will largely be supplanted by DVD's, and > > products like their most recent one will all fit on that one DVD instead of > > a 3 CD's (not certain of the numbers, but as I understand it DVD holds 2.6 > > GB? That would be 4 CDs' worth It may even hold 4+ GB if commercially > > pressed--feel free to chime in if you know more, list). > > > > And writable DVD drives are available as of this month. Only $700. The > > cheapest CD-R's go for around $200+, and when they first came out they were > > well in excess of $1,000. DVD's have a pretty good start. > > > > Now to your question...would I go out of my way to get a DVD drive in my > > new ThinkPad, even though I don't intend to watch DVD movies on it? If it > > was convenient--only marginally more expensive than a standard CD drive, > > yes. But if I was spending any significant amount of money in excess (say, > > $100 or more), no, I wouldn't. > > > > The fact of the matter is you're just making a bet as to whether DVD will > > become ubiquitious as a means of computer data distribution in the near > > future--sometime before you decide you Thinkpad is obsolete and replace it > > anyway. If you're like me, I've averaged 2 or 3 years per ThinkPad. Do I > > think DVD will become widespread for data distribution in 3 years? Not at > > all. In 5 years? Maybe. In 10? Quite likely. So for me, the DVD would > > be used with CD's and nothing else for quite some time to come and by the > > time there *were* DVD computer data discs...I'd be on to a new machine. > > > > CD's spread wide and fast, but truthfully, they didn't have any real > > competition. DVD does--its call the CD, and it first has to supplant an > > already large installed base. Sure, you can read CD's in a DVD drive, but > > DVD drives are relatively slow at it. Most people are thinking, "Gee, I'm > > only going to use CD's in it anyway, so why have a DVD drive--which I'll > > never put DVD discs into--and have it read my CD's at 6x speed (or whatever > > it is) when the "regular" CD player does it at 32X speed and does it for > > $200 less?" Its obstacles like those that will make the road a little > > tougher for DVD than it was for CD's, which didn't have to supplant > > anything but its own price (I remember paying $350 for a *used* 150 > > KB/s--that's 1x (2x & higher multi-speed drives hadn't been invented > > yet)--CD reader and knowing I had gotten a *good* deal, back in 1991 or so. > > Now for less than $50 you can get one that reads at 32x speed. > > > > With that in mind, I personally will just wait until I actually *see* a > > computer-data DVD before I think about buying a DVD drive. > > > > ---- > > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > > "Did you really think you could call up the Devil and ask him to behave?" > > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), > 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), > 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), > 755CE(no gig, 40meg), > 750C(no gig, 4meg), > IBM WorkPad(1meg) > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 12:08:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08600 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20496; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:06:42 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20184; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from moore@localhost) by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA15769 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18808; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31217 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:10:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21544 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3252.78D9F690@ntmail.doble.com>; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'letoured@sover.net'" , "'TP List'" , "'Randal Whittle'" Subject: RE: Value of DVD and other stuff Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:08:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: >Randal Whittle wrote: > CD's spread wide and fast, but truthfully, they didn't have any real >competition. DVD does--its call the CD, and it first has to supplant an >already large installed base. Sure, you can read CD's in a DVD drive, but >DVD drives are relatively slow at it. Most people are thinking, "Gee, I'm >only going to use CD's in it anyway, so why have a DVD drive--which I'll >never put DVD discs into--and have it read my CD's at 6x speed (or whatever >it is) when the "regular" CD player does it at 32X speed and does it for >$200 less?" Its obstacles like those that will make the road a little >tougher for DVD than it was for CD's, which didn't have to supplant >anything but its own price (I remember paying $350 for a *used* 150 >KB/s--that's 1x (2x & higher multi-speed drives hadn't been invented >yet)--CD reader and knowing I had gotten a *good* deal, back in 1991 or so. > Now for less than $50 you can get one that reads at 32x speed. Hello, It seems like the second generation DVD drives were just released (a year ago?) and now they have third generation DVD drives that are 5x for DVD disks and 32X for CD disks. I guess the technology is getting there. I also noted the soundblaster people have a DVD-RAM (writable DVD) drive for $499 suggested retail. The real interesting thing is someone has a VCR designed for time shifting that encodes analog video into MPEG2 and stores it on a Hard Disk (It is suppose to record and play at the same time). This says to me that within 2 years you will have a consumer DVD recorder that can record video. MPEG2 encoders are expensive but they seem to be coming down in price. I suppose we have to wait until the next round to have the third generation DVD drives in a thinkpad. Maybe in 3 to 4 years you would even see a MPEG-2 encoder in a high-end Thinkpad along with a DVD drive. > With that in mind, I personally will just wait until I actually *see* a >computer-data DVD before I think about buying a DVD drive. It is a tough call. I am almost to the point of getting a new laptop but I realize while the new ones have speed and better multimedia stuff I would really want a DVD drive. So I am going to wait. I bought a Chinon 431 as my first CD-ROM drive so I could run the first version of Delorme's Street Atlas. I was impressed as every other program I saw used scanned maps and this actually generated maps from a data set. One reason I got my 365ED was so I could do navigation with a GPS and the various map CDs. I noticed Delorme is starting to release some products on DVD as well so I should wait and upgrade when DVD drives get into lower end products. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 16:08:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10845 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10221; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:02:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09698; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from innernet.net (mail.innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09684; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from amdk6266 ([205.130.18.32]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 1406800 ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be32a5$24b532c0$020aa8c0@amdk6266> From: "Slip" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing list" Subject: Re: Battery wake-up for 701-GET IT HERE Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:00:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >I am sure many of us on the list would like a copy of Resetbat.exe... could >you post it antwhere or advise?? If no one else has asked, then perhaps you >wouldn't mind mailing me a copy..?? Hey there, Seems that a lot of people were asking for this program,(including me) so I'll post it to my site. Anyone's free to download it, but be aware that it may not be there forever(in the event I change ISP's or somethin) Many thanks goes to Jonathan who originally sent me the file. My site can be found at www.innernet.net/jlk. It's located in the files section. If you want a direct link, it can be found(in zip format) at www.innernet.net/jlk/uploads/701reset.zip Enjoy, and let me know if you need anything. -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 17:03:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11447 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12099; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:02:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12006; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11992; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:02:46 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr4a34.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.34]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14584 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812282202.RAA14584@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr4a34.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.34] 207.136.203.34 Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:02:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:20:53 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD drives, OS2 and audio CD Question X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: As long as I started the DVD comments, I figured I should ask another question while the experts are all paying attention. Can DVD drives read to copy audio tracks or play regular audio CDs' under OS2? _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 18:41:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12533 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15367; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:40:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15244; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [207.229.143.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15232; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19035 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1998 23:40:13 -0000 Received: from usrx2-90.chi-focal.enteract.com (207.229.172.90) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1998 23:40:13 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:39:56 GMT Message-ID: <3687b8d1.15687648@smtp.enteract.com> References: <4.1.19981226140651.00b08100@rcf.usc.edu> <36872698.E4BCF3FE@icanect.net> <36879267.33DD75AB@us.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <36879267.33DD75AB@us.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:15:03 -0700, you wrote: >As per the DVD - I WILL USE IT! I cannot tell you the number of >times that I am sitting on a plane, bored with what is playing (or = having to shell out >$3.00US to purchase a damn headset that hurts your ears after about 45 = seconds of wear) and >wishing I had something better to do than play pinball or solitare. = Now, I can pull out >a rented movie (not going to shell out $30.00US+/movie) for the trip = home. =20 Actually, if someone is online, DVDs cost about half that and often less.I've amassed a moderate collection in about six months (90 discs) and I haven't spent more than $17.50 on one since I stopped buying them in stores. >I will also look at getting encarta on DVD as that may also >become valuable. I would love to see the Oxford Dictionary on (1)DVD = (it might work) so that I >have a decent dictionary in tow. > >Many uses ... even if I would have to purchase it as an extra >item, it would be valuable. > Ditto - I look forward to DVD software specifically because it will now be possible to fit all sorts of great reference materials onto a single disc. The OED and some museum art collections (like everything in the Louvre) would be great.=09 epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Sony VAIO 505 info - http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown/sony505.html List Admin - Sony VAIO 505 Mailing List From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 18:58:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12717 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16134; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:58:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16046; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16033; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:58:05 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "John G. Olyarchuk" Subject: Re: Value of AGP graphics Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01be32bd$dc5ddfe0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/MP090998.HTM States that there is a Version of the Mobile Pentium2 chip with AGP .. It appears that I was wrong . (grin) It is very difficult to find out just what that means... A few more pins are brought out for AGP control ???? Both Laptops are using this CPU . http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRN19980824S0099 Has a short article about AGP graphics in Notebooks. Tridents web page states that the 9737 DVD is AGP capable. http://www.tridentmicro.com/trident/html/PRODUCTS.HTM http://www.tridentmicro.com/trident/html/ProductBriefs/PBS/new%20pbs/9397dvd .htm ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles Download : tbook.pdf Note: it is not in the index . This is superb guide done by Roger Dodson that explains what these models are. IT is much better than the WEB based junk. It states that both use the AGP interface for the Graphics controller. AGP is just a Bus interface. http://support.intel.com/support/technologies/graphics/agp/24237.HTM and http://developer.intel.com/technology/agp/tutorial/chapt_1.htm It runs at 66 MHz Vs 33Mhz for PCI and can be "double clocked " the so called 2X Spec seen on some Graphic card literature. Current Notebooks only support the 1X spec. AFAIK Its' other claim to fame is that it sits on the memory bus and can therefore use some of the System memory for itself. This sounds a bit like UMA but is better implemented. This is currently used for "Texture memory " by 3D graphics cards... The most infamous example being Intels i740 . It doesn't matter a whole lot and frankly I would not chose a laptop based on wether it has AGP . Both of these ToYs are very expensive ...... ..peter... -----Original Message----- From: John G. Olyarchuk To: peter machule Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Value of AGP graphics > >Thanks, Peter. Here are the links: > > >Subject: ThinkPad 770 > >http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwthinkpads/2C7863F1C37CA4BB8525668 6007D85D1 > >Subject: ThinkPad 600 > >http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwthinkpads/6B8DE3DB032F28958525668 60075ABAC > > >On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, peter machule wrote: > >> Sure .... >> Do have the 2 links handy so I can see what you are refering to. >> ie. there is no such thing as an AGP CPU . > > >> >...Regarding AGP vs PCI, the TP770X has an AGP CPU, but the IBM web site >> >lists the graphics bus interface as PCI. However, for the TP600 with an >> >AGP CPU, it lists the graphics bus interface as AGP. Can someone explain >> >this discrepancy? Does the fact that the 770x graphics subsystem not have >> >an AGP interface mean that it can not make use of this feature?... > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 22:41:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14649 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21807; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:38:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21552; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.crl.com (A.crl.com [165.113.1.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21539; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from bubba (A098024.sfx2.as.crl.com [168.75.98.24]) by a.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id TAA07247 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:38:39 -0800 (PST) env-from (thegrail@a.crl.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981228193440.006c0f14@165.113.1.65> X-Sender: thegrail@165.113.1.65 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:34:40 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Comments On This List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello; I am a journalist writing an article on Internet-based forums for portable computer users. Would anybody like to share their opinions, which may be quoted, on the value of this sort of mailing list. Do you find it useful? Does it provide the kind of information that you need? Does it provide a sense of community with other Thinkpad owners? What other on-line forums do you use re portable computing and what sort of forums would you like to see? I'm pretty much open to any comments that you'd like to offer. Thanks; David Bragi Contributing Editor Portable Computing Magazine www.portablecomputing.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Dec 28 23:39:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15293 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23157; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:38:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23069; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.unixg.ubc.ca (root@mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23056; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from interchange.ubc.ca ([137.82.27.42] ident=rwhung) by mail.unixg.ubc.ca with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zuqvP-00034I-00; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:38:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Hung To: John Kim cc: TP List Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, John Kim wrote: > This is a limitation of DOS fdisk only. The fdisk that comes > with OS/2, Linux, possibly NT, and probably Partition Magic > can delete and recreate the primary partition without touching > the extended partition. In fact, they should allow you to > have up to 4 primary partitions (or 3 primary + 1 extended), > although only one can be visible at a time under Dos/Win. Actually, that's not true. DOS and Windows both assign drive letters to all appropriately typed partitions, primary and logical. For example, on my system I use all primary partitions (created under Linux), such that I just change the partition type when I want a given partition visible under a particular OS. DOS and Windows handles it fine. The assignment of drive letters goes pretty much as follows: 1st primary partition on all drives, then logical partitions, then 2nd, 3rd, and 4th primary partitions on first drive, 2, 3, 4 on second drive, etc. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 00:17:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA15745 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24548; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:16:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24453; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (root@ares.actionwebs.net [208.244.215.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24402; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from markl (customer-151.actionwebs.net [208.244.215.151]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06531; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:14:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE32C0.2AAF6540.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "'thegrail@a.crl.com'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Comments On This List Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:13:02 -0500 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > I am a journalist writing an article on Internet-based forums for portable > computer users. Would anybody like to share their opinions, which may be > quoted, on the value of this sort of mailing list. Do you find it useful? I keep an Outlook folder called Thinkpad, which I use to collect tips much the same way as my mother collected recipes in a box over the stove. Since I purchased my laptop, I've learned from this group... How to load NT/Win98 reload Win95 How to repair a cracked case How to care for my notebook's battery How to find replacement caps for the trackpoint How to pack the laptop for shipment if it needs warranty repair. Problems with the audio mike jack (I needed a special adapter) These are the main threads I pulled from my list, but I believe you get the drift. The point is, no one is every going to publish the "IBM TP600 Magazine". I'm sure that their are many fine magazines on laptops; however, the internet in general - and this list in particular - accomplishes what it sets out to do. It brings me the targeted information I need. Frankly, I'm still amazed the internet is free (virtually). Mark Lemon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 01:36:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA16469 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26923; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:35:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26749; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26735; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA14753 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:35:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:35:17 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Ryan Hung wrote: > Actually, that's not true. DOS and Windows both assign drive letters to > all appropriately typed partitions, primary and logical. For example, on > my system I use all primary partitions (created under Linux), such that I > just change the partition type when I want a given partition visible under > a particular OS. DOS and Windows handles it fine. The assignment of > drive letters goes pretty much as follows: 1st primary partition on all > drives, then logical partitions, then 2nd, 3rd, and 4th primary partitions > on first drive, 2, 3, 4 on second drive, etc. Are you saying what I think you're saying? I have 2 primary partitions on my laptop - one boots to DOS 5.0 (no point waiting for Win95 to boot when all I want to do is fiddle with the APM BIOS), the other boots to Win95. I use OS/2 boot manager to select between these two and Linux (which sits on a logical drive). When I boot DOS, it is my C: drive and my Win95 partition is invisible. When I boot Win95, it is my C: drive and my DOS partition is invisible. OTOH, with Linux, I can mount both my DOS and Win95 partitions simultaneously. That is what I meant when I said DOS/Win95 can only see one primary partition at a time. Are you saying there's a way for me to make the invisible partition visible under DOS or Win95? If so, please explain how. I had to resort to the unsatisfactory solution of putting the Win95 boot files on the primary partition, but having the actual Windows system files sit on a logical drive. It means only 5 MB is invisible whether I'm in DOS or Win95, but it requires an extra logical partition I'd prefer to eliminate (especially since a lot of Windows programs seem to insist on installing themselves on my 5 MB C: drive when Windows itself lives on my D: drive). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 05:25:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA18008 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07174; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:24:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07031; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:0@merkez.cypronet.net [193.192.125.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07007; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-193-192-124-5.cypronet.net (ip-193-192-124-5.cypronet.net [193.192.124.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24715; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199812291033.MAA24715@localhost.localdomain> From: "Thom Parkhill" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Emanuel Brown" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:12:27 +0200 (EET) Reply-To: "Thom Parkhill" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3687b8d1.15687648@smtp.enteract.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Value of DVD and other stuff List-Unsubscribe: I am almost certain that the full 20 volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary, second edition, with all the key words and quotations is available on CDRom. Last I looked, though, it was _very_ expensive. On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:39:56 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: >>I will also look at getting encarta on DVD as that may also >>become valuable. I would love to see the Oxford Dictionary on (1)DVD (it might work) so that I >>have a decent dictionary in tow. >> > Ditto - I look forward to DVD software specifically because it >will now be possible to fit all sorts of great reference materials >onto a single disc. The OED and some museum art collections (like >everything in the Louvre) would be great. .................................. Thom. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 12:32:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21853 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15627; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15374; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (phr@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15362; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA05906 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:30:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:30:30 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199812291730.JAA05906@netcom5.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OED List-Unsubscribe: The OED on CD-rom is about $350 from Strand Books in Manhattan. That's expensive but not totally outlandish. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 12:35:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21881 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16014; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15905; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15890; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from c137355-a ([24.2.197.152]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail v4.0 201-221) with SMTP id <19981229173407.IEMX20341.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@c137355-a>; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:34:07 -0800 From: "Scott A. Stratmoen" To: "Paul Rubin" , Subject: RE: OED Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:32:59 -0600 Message-ID: <000601be3351$47261c00$0101a8c0@c137355-a.mntp1.il.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199812291730.JAA05906@netcom5.netcom.com> List-Unsubscribe: Out of curiosity did you notice the number of CDROM's it is on? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Rubin [mailto:phr@netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 11:31 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OED The OED on CD-rom is about $350 from Strand Books in Manhattan. That's expensive but not totally outlandish. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 12:52:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22088 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16913; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:51:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16826; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16806; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA01632; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:51:40 -1000 Message-ID: <001001be3353$c84dda00$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Scott A. Stratmoen" , "Paul Rubin" , Subject: Re: OED Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:50:52 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Out of curiosity did you notice the number of CDROM's it is on? Why do you expect it be more than 1? The OED has no pictures, so unless very badly coded all the volumes should still fit on a single CD, I would think. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 13:12:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22341 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17806; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:11:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17711; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17699; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.242.133]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19981229181042.MRCV1373@oemcomputer>; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:10:42 +0000 Message-ID: <36891B7F.44AA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:12:15 -0500 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquer@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OED References: <199812291730.JAA05906@netcom5.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Many of these references are now available on CDROM but frequently they come on more than one disc, asking one to switch discs and etc -- DVD should eliminate this. SCB Paul Rubin wrote: > > The OED on CD-rom is about $350 from Strand Books in Manhattan. > That's expensive but not totally outlandish. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 13:41:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22773 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18924; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:39:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18685; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18670; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id NAA24019 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:35:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:35:24 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: MWave errors - help please. Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad list Message-ID: <199812291335_MC2-64F9-F65@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Since having to install IE4 under W95 on my TP 755CX, MWave keeps reporting errors whilst online. I have actually made Netscape my default browser, but left IE4 in situ fo= r the time being, as I need Outlook Express and the connection Wizards (possibly??) to connect with Freeserve, my new Free ISP in UK. It may just be a coincidence that the following errors show up when onlin= e say with Forte Agent, downloading news and simultaneously using Netscape for idle browsing or other...? The error reads: MWME001 MWave Modem Internal Error Primary Code : 110x0001 Secondary Code : 52 (0X0034) File MWMSPC.ICC (or therabouts...!) Line 1857 Anyone recognise this symptom please?? Thanks Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 13:42:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22791 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19100; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:40:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18863; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (netcom12.netcom.com [192.100.81.124]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18822; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA03213; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:35:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199812291835.KAA03213@netcom12.netcom.com> To: stratmoen@home.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OED List-Unsubscribe: Did you notice how many cd's it is on? It's on one CD. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 13:54:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22955 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20438; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:53:58 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20341; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id NAA19458 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from uz.ComCAT.COM (uz.ComCAT.COM [204.170.64.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18558; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury (a134.COMCAT.COM [207.86.230.134]) by uz.ComCAT.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8/sol2/mh/19980701) with SMTP; id NAA08045; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:31:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Albert C. Lee" To: Subject: Virus scanning and PCMCIA support Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:32:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be3359$a4578e60$86e656cf@mercury.isinet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812291033.MAA24715@localhost.localdomain> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is probably not a Thinkpad specific problem, but maybe it is. When I installed the latest VirusScan for NT on my 600E, I lost my PCMCIA support (CardWizard 4.1 complained of a general network error with the Xircom RealPort). Uninstalling VirusScan for NT fixes the problem... and reinstalling VirusScan again brings it back. Has anyone else seen this? Is there another anti-virus software that might do better with NT? Also unrelated to above is a recurring problem I'm having with NT where it complains I'm out of disk space during installations... and I have MORE than enough space (500mb to 2.5gb depending on the volume). The two culprits are Photoshop 5.0, and QuickTime 3. Probably all not TP specific, but I thought I'd give it a shot, in case it was. -Al From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 16:44:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24912 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25818; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:42:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25686; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25673; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA49628; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:19 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: bigdaddy@ieee.org cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP-700C Y2K In-Reply-To: <36878DEA.47CDFC86@capecod.net> Message-ID: Organization: Yeshiva University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: What's not y2k compliant about it? I remember my Tp700 could handle dates beyone 2000. Josh On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, rdietric wrote: > I just discovered that my TP 700-C is not Y2K compliant. Does anyone > know if there is a BIOS upgrade available that will fix the clock? > > Thanks > Bob > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Dec 29 17:14:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25309 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26910; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:14:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26817; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26805; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr4a54.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.54]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA11683 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:13:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812292213.RAA11683@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from usr4a54.burl.sover.net [207.136.203.54] 207.136.203.54 Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:13:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:35:10 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 4 TP600 models discontinued X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.51 b51 List-Unsubscribe: I don't don't know if this is old news or not, but the ThinkPad 600 264551U, 264541U, 264531U and 264521U are discontinued. This leaves only the TP600 300 mhz models and whatever is coming. Some 233 mhz models seem to be left in the pipeline. --How come you guys didn't tell me the 266 mhz model was going to sold out by now? Now I gotta buy one with the GeeWhiz features. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 01:29:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00977 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09138; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:27:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08894; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08881; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (116.p1.Ascend18.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.174.244]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA29494; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:25:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3689C774.E8461CD0@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:25:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 4 TP600 models discontinued References: <199812292213.RAA11683@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM does not tend to publish their intent to discontinue models until the moment the ax falls.. ditto with price cuts.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > I don't don't know if this is old news or not, but the ThinkPad 600 > 264551U, 264541U, 264531U and 264521U are discontinued. > > This leaves only the TP600 300 mhz models and whatever is coming. Some > 233 mhz models seem to be left in the pipeline. > > --How come you guys didn't tell me the 266 mhz model was going to sold out > by now? Now I gotta buy one with the GeeWhiz features. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU(8.1gig, 261meg), 760ED(3.0gig, 104meg), 701C(6.3gig, 40meg), 755CE(no gig, 40meg), 750C(no gig, 4meg), IBM WorkPad(1meg) Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 01:31:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA01004 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09502; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:30:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09273; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09261; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (1Cust198.tnt3.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.194.198]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02939 for <"'TP List'" >; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by tnote with Microsoft Mail id <01BE338B.FF96DBA0@tnote>; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:33:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01BE338B.FF96DBA0@tnote> From: Teresa Selling To: "\"\\"\\\"\\\\"\\\\\"'\\\\\\"'TP List'\\\\\\" '\\\\\" <\\\\\"'TP List'\\\\\"\\\\"\\\"\\"\" <\\\\"'TP List'\\\\"\\\"\\"\"thinkpad"<@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Thinkpad 770 or 770E forsale Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:32:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I have too many thinkpads (I think its 5 now) and must sell one. So = whichever one of these sells first, I keep the other. Thinkpad 770 (Model 9548-40U) P200MMX, 13.3" TFT screen, 96MB ram, 5 gig = hard disk. Note the 5 gig drive is an IBM OEM drive (sold the original = 3 gig) and is not covered by the thinkpad warranty (but I will guarantee = arrives in good working condition). It has 3 stuck on pixels and has = not developed any new ones (1 blue in upper left quadrant, 1 red and 1 = green in upper right quadrant about 2 inches apart). Purchased about 1 = year ago, warranty until Dec 2000. Also includes manuals, preload cd, = floppy & cable. $1200 Thinkpad 770E (Model 9548-51U) PII 266Mhz, 14.1" TFT screen 160MB ram, 5 = gig hard disk. No stuck pixels seen. Purchased new about 1 month ago, = warranty until Sep 2001. Also includes manuals, preload cd, floppy & = cable. $2000 These models do NOT come with cdrom or dvdrom or internal modem. The = DVD adapter and dvdrom or cdrom must be purchased elsewhere as I don't = have any extras to sell. I can include a Hawking Technology 56K (not an = xjack connector) or maybe a Megahertz 28.8K xjack pcmcia modem (supposed = to have one back next week) if needed. You pay $40 towards Fed-Ex 2-day COD charge (money-order or cashiers = check only) if you want COD. I will pay Fed-Ex 2-day shipping if you = prepay (money-order or cashiers check only). Feel free to make an offer, but I will most likely auction one off at = Ebay if I don't get asking price or very close to it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 02:10:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01505 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11224; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:09:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11130; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11118; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id XAA01949 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:09:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199812300709.XAA01949@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 peeling paint repair List-Unsubscribe: For those who have gotten peeling paint repaired on their 600 or 770, has the new paint started peeling? Or do they replace it with something better than the old stuff? Did they give you a new case, or just repaint the old one somehow? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 03:18:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02092 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13791; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:17:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13632; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13589; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad ([12.79.28.100]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981230081638.ILHC25932@thinkpad> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:16:38 +0000 Message-ID: <002201be33cc$b6fafe80$641c4f0c@thinkpad> From: "Melanie Mak" To: "Thinkpad Group" Subject: Past Mesages Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE33A2.CBFB11A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE33A2.CBFB11A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where can I get a list of all past messages?=20 =20 Thanks, =20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE33A2.CBFB11A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE33A2.CBFB11A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 05:39:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03415 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22164; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:37:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22044; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.xlink.net (relay.xlink.net [193.141.40.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22032; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fwvx2303.huk-coburg.de ([194.121.220.195]) by relay.xlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17054 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:37:21 +0100 Received: from insc3000.huk-coburg.de (unverified) by fwvx2303.huk-coburg.de (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Mi, 30 Dez 1998 11:35:14 +0100 Received: from huk-coburg.de ([172.16.15.84]) by insc3000.huk-coburg.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 231 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:34:40 +0100 Message-Id: <368A0259.ECF5CB61@huk-coburg.de> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:37:13 +0100 Reply-To: wolfgang.mueller@huk-coburg.de Organization: HUK-COBURG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [de] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubcribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubcribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 07:10:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04000 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23772; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:09:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23622; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23610; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA12878 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:09:12 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA01388 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:09:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812301209.NAA01388@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: TP 701C --- how much? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:09:03 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I might be able to buy the following 701: > I own a 701C and it'S the top end model. TFT and 720MB HD and 40MB > RAM. It's the Swedish version (keyboard), but apparently with English (Canadian?) BIOS. > Anyhow, it isn't the best of shape, but if you are willing to buy, > make me a reasonable offer. > > -There is a dead pixel line in the upper right corner, but that's > about it. I am missing the docking port as well, but you can make due > without it. I have an external floppy and necessary cables for > printer. I can throw in the SCSI CD rom 4X if you want. [...] > In case you may know, my laptop does not go into a POST on start up > and also the clock does not refresh from a Hibernate. Any clues? So my questions: is this actually a broken machine? And, if it isn't, how much would seem a reasonable price? Thanks for any advice Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 08:22:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04511 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25839; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:21:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25679; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no (tyholt.uninett.no [158.38.60.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25667; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from tikneppen.uninett.no (oak@tikneppen.uninett.no [158.38.60.70]) by tyholt.uninett.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06909 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:21:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812301321.OAA06909@tyholt.uninett.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 drifting pointer on linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:21:21 +0100 Sender: Olav.Kvittem@uninett.no List-Unsubscribe: Some times the internal pointer/mouse on my TP600 start to drift off without being touched as if some tension was built up. I use latest Redhat X-server. After a few seconds it stops and the pointercontrol works fine again. Does this happen on other OS's too ? (don't use the preinstalled stuff myself) Olav From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 08:33:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04580 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26446; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:32:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26359; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26345; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA09622; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:38:13 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29140; Wed, 30 Dec 98 13:25:44 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:30:54 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Subject: Re: TP600 drifting pointer on linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Yes it does, just leave it alone til it stops=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: TP600 drifting pointer on linux Author: MIME: at INTERNET Date: 30/12/98 13:24 Some times the internal pointer/mouse on my TP600 start to=20= drift off without being touched as if some tension was built up=2E I use latest Redhat X-server=2E After a few seconds it stops and the pointercontrol works fine again=2E Does this happen on other OS's too ?=20= (don't use the preinstalled stuff myself) Olav ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 09:49:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05247 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28987; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:47:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28750; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28706; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [160.94.25.34] by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:47:11 -0600 From: "Tim Breen" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:50:05 -0600 Message-Id: <000201be3403$afe02080$22195ea0@timbreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 11:53:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06440 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03630; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:52:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03485; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03463; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from portable (pool-207-205-219-12.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.12]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19456 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002401be3413$4bf198a0$032cfc0d@portable> From: "Fred Leiter" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:41:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BE33E9.5FCE3A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BE33E9.5FCE3A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BE33E9.5FCE3A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE3423.5D88D1E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 17:56:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11299 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16697; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16484; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.unixg.ubc.ca (root@mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16470; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from interchange.ubc.ca ([137.82.27.42] ident=rwhung) by mail.unixg.ubc.ca with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zvUV7-0001s0-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:54:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Hung To: John Kim cc: TP List Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, John Kim wrote: > Are you saying there's a way for me to make the invisible > partition visible under DOS or Win95? If so, please explain > how. I had to resort to the unsatisfactory solution of putting > the Win95 boot files on the primary partition, but having the > actual Windows system files sit on a logical drive. It means > only 5 MB is invisible whether I'm in DOS or Win95, but it > requires an extra logical partition I'd prefer to eliminate > (especially since a lot of Windows programs seem to insist on > installing themselves on my 5 MB C: drive when Windows itself > lives on my D: drive). Hmm, I see the problem here. Is there a reason why you couldn't dispense with the DOS 5.0 altogether, and just have Windows 95? You mention that you want to be able to boot up quickly, but you can do that in Windows 95 by pressing F8 on startup to get a bootup selection menu (or Ctrl-F5, I think it is, to bypass autoexec.bat and config.sys directly). If you do want to do what you're referring to, I would set up three primary partitions using Linux. The first primary partition I'd have as FAT16 for DOS 5.0. The second primary partition you could have as FAT16 if you want it to be visible from DOS or FAT32 if you only want Win95 to be able to see it (of course that means you need to have OSR2). The third primary partition, have as Linux native. If you have two FAT16 partitions, then they will be respectively C: and D: under both DOS and Win95. Install DOS first. Create a bootdisk for DOS with the SYS.COM utility (remember to save your autoexec.bat and config.sys). Then, install Windows 95 over top, in D:\WINDOWS. Windows 95 will install its own bootsector on your first partition. Create a bootdisk in Win95 with the SYS.COM utility from Win95. Then, use Linux to set the active (bootable) partition to the second partition (where Windows 95 resides). Actually, this shouldn't matter if you're using LILO to boot, but you can do this if you want Windows 95 as your default OS. Finally, use the DOS bootdisk to boot up and rewrite the DOS bootsector on your first partition (C:). Boot up with the Windows 95 bootdisk and write the Win95 bootsector on your second partition (D:). Now, you should be able to use LILO to boot whichever OS, and have the partitions visible to each other. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 17:58:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11329 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16989; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:57:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16870; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.unixg.ubc.ca (root@mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16846; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from interchange.ubc.ca ([137.82.27.42] ident=rwhung) by mail.unixg.ubc.ca with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zvUXt-000218-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:56:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:56:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Hung To: Paul Rubin cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 peeling paint repair In-Reply-To: <199812300709.XAA01949@netcom8.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Paul Rubin wrote: > For those who have gotten peeling paint repaired on their > 600 or 770, has the new paint started peeling? Or do they > replace it with something better than the old stuff? > Did they give you a new case, or just repaint the old one somehow? I just got mine back from exactly this kind of repair (paint peeling off on the palmrest). They replaced the whole keyboard cover with a new one. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 18:00:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11385 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17365; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:59:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17245; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.unixg.ubc.ca (root@mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17232; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from interchange.ubc.ca ([137.82.27.42] ident=rwhung) by mail.unixg.ubc.ca with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zvUaG-00029K-00; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:59:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Hung To: Olav.Kvittem@uninett.no cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 drifting pointer on linux In-Reply-To: <199812301321.OAA06909@tyholt.uninett.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 Olav.Kvittem@uninett.no wrote: > > Some times the internal pointer/mouse on my TP600 start to > drift off without being touched as if some tension > was built up. I use latest Redhat X-server. > After a few seconds it stops and the pointercontrol > works fine again. > > Does this happen on other OS's too ? > (don't use the preinstalled stuff myself) Yes, this happens in Windows 98 for me, on the same kind of machine. Anybody else have any clues on this? Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1998 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 18:41:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11932 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18941; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:40:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18797; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw4.texas.net (mw4.texas.net [206.127.30.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18784; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet02-15.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.99]) by mw4.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id RAA10865 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:40:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001901be344d$a9e90760$63067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770ED + Win98 = defective floppy? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:39:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a 770ED which came standard with Win95 and I reformatted and did a new install of Win98. Everything worked perfectly.....until I later discovered that my floppy drive stopped working correctly. When I stick a brand new preformatted 3.5 disk into my floppy...Win98 tells me that the disk is not formatted...and if I want to format. If I choose yes....Win98 ends up telling me that it cannot format the disk because it is either locked or defective. Everyone one of these disks work on other computers though. At first I thought that maybe my floppy drive was defective....but I tried another identical drive which resulted in the same problem. The really funny thing is Win98 sees the drive as functioning fine and if I exit into DOS.....I can access the disks fine.....so Win98 is definitely the culprit here. I even reformatted my hard disk a 2nd time and for an entire day....my floppy drive has worked perfectly....until now. The exact same problem has reoccurred.....and I don't have any clue as to why. I haven't installed anything new since the last time I used my floppy. Dejanews shows that a number of other people have encountered the same problem before...but no solutions. So has anyone on this list experienced anything like this on their thinkpad? and if so....what is the solution. Thanks. -T- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 19:21:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12407 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20403; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:20:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20276; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20263; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:20:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA59778 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:57:47 -0500 Received: from D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com (d51mta05.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.33]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7m1/NCO v1.7) with SMTP id TAA192318 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:20:55 -0500 Received: by D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566EB.0001E973 ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:20:52 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMCA@IBMUS To: "TD" cc: "Thinkpad List" Message-ID: <852566EB.0001E815.00@D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:17:07 -0500 Subject: Re: 770ED + Win98 = defective floppy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: >I just bought a 770ED which came standard with Win95 and I reformatted and >did a new install of Win98. Everything worked perfectly.....until I later >discovered that my floppy drive stopped working correctly. When I stick a >brand new preformatted 3.5 disk into my floppy...Win98 tells me that the >disk is not formatted...and if I want to format. If I choose yes....Win98 >ends up telling me that it cannot format the disk because it is either >locked or defective. Everyone one of these disks work on other computers >though. Have you installed a SCSI device or tape backup device? Boot up in Safe mode. Does the Floppy work there? If so - go to device manager and check to see if you have a category SCSI adapters. Highlight the device there and select properties. Go to the settings tab. Change the command from /W95 to /DE. OR disable the floppy drive controller in device manager. The SCSI to parallel driver takes over Floppy access. If this doesn't work - cold boot the system holding down the F1 key. This takes you to EZ-Setup. Go to test and click on FDD-1 (if in the UltraBay) or FDD-2 (if attached externally. IF it passes this quick test - press CTRL-A on your keyboard. Exit the FRU Connections page, exit the keyboard test page and then click again on the floppy. It will ask you to insert a floppy disk and do a diagnostic ... Good Luck. Drew. #include From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 20:02:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12905 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21721; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:01:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21535; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21521; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.theriver.com (a0.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.16]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09503; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:01:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812310101.SAA09503@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 17:59:19 -0700 To: Adam Quantrill , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: TP600 drifting pointer on linux X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 List-Unsubscribe: In , on 12/30/98 at 01:30 PM, Adam Quantrill said: >Yes it does, just leave it alone til it stops. The "pointer" must recalibrate itself every once in a while. If you are in the habit of resting your hand on the Trackpoint, this will occur quite often. If you leave it alone, the "pointer" will drift until the recalibration cycle is over. If you try to correct it, the recalibration process will continue to run.... The advice above must be heeded. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 20:17:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13106 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22420; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:16:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22332; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw1.texas.net (mw1.texas.net [206.127.30.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22316; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet01-68.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.68]) by mw1.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id TAA08280; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:16:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01be345b$26793ae0$44067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770ED + Win98 = defective floppy? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:16:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: I didn't install a SCSI device but I did install and uninstall a Sparq drive. The floppy worked fine after the installation of the Sparq though. The floppy drive does not work even in Safe Mode and it passes all the tests in EZ-Setup. Thanks for the reply. -T- -----Original Message----- From: To: TD Cc: Thinkpad List Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: Re: 770ED + Win98 = defective floppy? > >>I just bought a 770ED which came standard with Win95 and I reformatted and >>did a new install of Win98. Everything worked perfectly.....until I later >>discovered that my floppy drive stopped working correctly. When I stick >a >>brand new preformatted 3.5 disk into my floppy...Win98 tells me that the >>disk is not formatted...and if I want to format. If I choose yes....Win98 >>ends up telling me that it cannot format the disk because it is either >>locked or defective. Everyone one of these disks work on other computers >>though. > > Have you installed a SCSI device or tape backup device? Boot up in Safe >mode. Does the Floppy work there? If so - go to device manager and check to >see if you have a category SCSI adapters. Highlight the device there and >select properties. Go to the settings tab. Change the command from /W95 >to /DE. OR disable the floppy drive controller in device manager. The SCSI >to parallel driver takes over Floppy access. > > If this doesn't work - cold boot the system holding down the F1 key. >This takes you to EZ-Setup. Go to test and click on FDD-1 (if in the >UltraBay) or FDD-2 (if attached externally. IF it passes this quick test - >press CTRL-A on your keyboard. Exit the FRU Connections page, exit the >keyboard test page and then click again on the floppy. It will ask you to >insert a floppy disk and do a diagnostic ... > > Good Luck. > Drew. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 21:15:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13771 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24114; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:14:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23969; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatekeeper.pader.gov (gatekeeper.pader.gov [204.171.110.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23943; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by gatekeeper.pader.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26313; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:13:16 -0500 Received: by erexecimcs01.pader.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:15:48 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Anderson, Damon" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Trying to find drivers Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:13:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hi folks. I am looking for a driver for the DOCK I for the thinkpad 755C. I am also looking for a way to use my external monitor with my docking station and have not been able to get the drivers correct. I was going to re-install 95 and try but I don't know. Help. Thanks Damon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 06:54:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA18553 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12030; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:52:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11868; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw1.texas.net (mw1.texas.net [206.127.30.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11856; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet01-04.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.4]) by mw1.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id FAA08209 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:52:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701be34b3$ed102080$04067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:51:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for Win98? After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work anymore. I keep getting multiple error messages: 1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." 2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. -T- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 08:48:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19278 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14734; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:47:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14586; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (mail1.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14558; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bbream (host-209-214-44-87.mob.bellsouth.net [209.214.44.87]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19124 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:46:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01be34c3$fef9bf80$572cd6d1@bbream> From: "Brian Bream" To: Subject: TP 701 Suspend Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:46:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I just installed a PCMCIA IBM hard drive in my 701 and it won't suspend. The screen goes blank and the internal hard drive shuts down but 3 seconds later the internal hard drive powers up again. Stays in this cycle until I take it out of suspend. The PCMCIA hard drive stays powered up through out this cycle and the power light stays on. I have tried changing the settings in setup for PCMCIA power from on to auto with no change in operation. There isn't any settings I could find in windows that would tell the PCMCIA to shut down during suspend. Is this "Just the way it is" or is there a way to allow this TP to suspend with a PCMCIA hard drive ? TP701C - WIN 95 4.00.950 B - Un docked Thanks Brian From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 09:43:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19698 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16497; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:41:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16264; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16252; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1gl.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.21]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00830 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: 770 peeling paint repair Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199812300709.XAA01949@netcom8.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I have this problem on a 770. Twice! The first time IBM EZServe replaced the keyboard bezel after a bit of pushing. I reported the second time, but have not sent the machine in. Eventually I will and I expect a fight to get it repaired. I don't know the nature of this problem and why some people have it and some do not. I use this machine constantly and I did notice that several of the paint bubbles occurred when my hands/palms were a bit oily from just coming out of the kitchen. This is no excuse, though IMHO. William Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Rubin [mailto:phr@netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 2:09 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 peeling paint repair For those who have gotten peeling paint repaired on their 600 or 770, has the new paint started peeling? Or do they replace it with something better than the old stuff? Did they give you a new case, or just repaint the old one somehow? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 10:27:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20202 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18263; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18174; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18161; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.24]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19981231152616.KECB5797@770>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:26:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01be34d2$48ecaf40$180c4f0c@770> From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "TD" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Try loading the W95 video drivers that came with the recovery disk. VPM is an overlay issue, usually cured by a different set of drivers. -----Original Message----- From: TD To: Thinkpad List Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:55 AM Subject: 770ED DVD problem >Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for Win98? >After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >anymore. > >I keep getting multiple error messages: > >1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." >2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! > >Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED >that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and >ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. > >-T- > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 11:25:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20908 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20897; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:25:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20809; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20796; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-37.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.37]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA23764; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:24:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01be34da$19caf980$251f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Bruce Markowitz" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:24:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: No, I'm sorry, but that isn't sound advice. Those drivers won't support Win98. The only drivers suitable are the ones IBM labeled version 1.11. They are still available on IBM's FTP site. The file name is Vftpdw95.exe. But, all of this misses the point. IBM's technical support has gotten so unreliable that I fear they cannot be trusted for anything anymore. I studied those drivers dated 12/28/98 and I swear to you that they DO NOT support the 770/E/ED family. Not at all. They will work only with the 9397DVD chip which is different than the 9397 chip inside the 770/E/ED. I cannot even begin to believe this rediculous behavior on IBM's part because it comes after I (and, presumably, others) alerted IBM to the fact that the version 1.12 drivers posted previously did not support the 770/E/ED. They pulled them off of their web site (but they're still hanging around on their FTP site for some poor unsuspecting soul). You'd think that the next version they posted would work but, alas, they're not even close. This is a serious and very disturbing error. And, it comes right on the heels of the version 1.27 BIOS slip up where the links for that actually lead to the TP600 BIOS files. Not good! -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: TD ; Thinkpad List Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:28 AM Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >Try loading the W95 video drivers that came with the recovery disk. VPM is >an overlay issue, usually cured by a different set of drivers. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TD >To: Thinkpad List >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:55 AM >Subject: 770ED DVD problem > > >>Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for Win98? >>After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >>driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >>anymore. >> >>I keep getting multiple error messages: >> >>1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." >>2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! >> >>Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED >>that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and >>ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. >> >>-T- >> >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:00:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21397 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22485; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:59:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22270; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22258; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-37.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.37]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA30922; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: <000801be34de$db8eb760$251f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:58:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: It is, but it's also the only one compatible with Win98 (as I recall, IBM had them labeled "95/98"). That's the 6/24/98 release that was tied to Microsoft's Win98 retail debut. I'm assuming that the drivers on the original poster's recovery CD predate those, but you're correct, they *could* be the same. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Robert J. Karp Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 10:41 AM Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >Correct me if I am wrong, but I beleive the file you mention IS the W95 >driver! > >Robert J. Karp wrote: >> >> No, I'm sorry, but that isn't sound advice. Those drivers won't support >> Win98. The only drivers suitable are the ones IBM labeled version 1.11. >> They are still available on IBM's FTP site. The file name is Vftpdw95.exe. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:01:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21408 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22631; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22444; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22346; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA47792 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:37:12 -0500 Received: from D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com (d51mta05.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.33]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7m1/NCO v1.7) with SMTP id MAA261244 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:28 -0500 Received: by D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 852566EB.005D6B4C ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMCA@IBMUS To: "TD" cc: "Thinkpad List" Message-ID: <852566EB.005D6A00.00@D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:56:32 -0500 Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: >Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for Win98? >After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >anymore. You require the MPEG features drivers : http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3MAS4C.html Drew. #include From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:12:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21516 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23861; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23751; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw2.texas.net (mw2.texas.net [206.127.30.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23734; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet02-18.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.102]) by mw2.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id LAA14857; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:11:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002501be34e0$87e67a60$66067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: "Robert J. Karp" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:10:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: Can you email me the 1.11 drivers please? The ftp site still lists it on their index....but it is NOT there to download. -T- -----Original Message----- From: Robert J. Karp To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: ThinkPad Users Group Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 10:25 AM Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >No, I'm sorry, but that isn't sound advice. Those drivers won't support >Win98. The only drivers suitable are the ones IBM labeled version 1.11. >They are still available on IBM's FTP site. The file name is Vftpdw95.exe. >But, all of this misses the point. IBM's technical support has gotten so >unreliable that I fear they cannot be trusted for anything anymore. I >studied those drivers dated 12/28/98 and I swear to you that they DO NOT >support the 770/E/ED family. Not at all. They will work only with the >9397DVD chip which is different than the 9397 chip inside the 770/E/ED. I >cannot even begin to believe this rediculous behavior on IBM's part because >it comes after I (and, presumably, others) alerted IBM to the fact that the >version 1.12 drivers posted previously did not support the 770/E/ED. They >pulled them off of their web site (but they're still hanging around on their >FTP site for some poor unsuspecting soul). You'd think that the next >version they posted would work but, alas, they're not even close. This is a >serious and very disturbing error. And, it comes right on the heels of the >version 1.27 BIOS slip up where the links for that actually lead to the >TP600 BIOS files. Not good! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Markowitz >To: TD ; Thinkpad List >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:28 AM >Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem > > >>Try loading the W95 video drivers that came with the recovery disk. VPM is >>an overlay issue, usually cured by a different set of drivers. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: TD >>To: Thinkpad List >>Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:55 AM >>Subject: 770ED DVD problem >> >> >>>Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for >Win98? >>>After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >>>driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >>>anymore. >>> >>>I keep getting multiple error messages: >>> >>>1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." >>>2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! >>> >>>Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED >>>that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and >>>ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. >>> >>>-T- >>> >>> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:14:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21552 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24289; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:14:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24106; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw3.texas.net (mw3.texas.net [206.127.30.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24092; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet02-18.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.102]) by mw3.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id LAA07755; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004501be34e0$d81c3b00$66067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: "Bruce Markowitz" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:13:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: Is it possible to load the video features drivers on the recovery disk....without restoring Win95 and all the other crap IBM put on that disk? Thanks. -T- -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: TD ; Thinkpad List Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:28 AM Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >Try loading the W95 video drivers that came with the recovery disk. VPM is >an overlay issue, usually cured by a different set of drivers. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TD >To: Thinkpad List >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:55 AM >Subject: 770ED DVD problem > > >>Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for Win98? >>After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >>driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >>anymore. >> >>I keep getting multiple error messages: >> >>1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." >>2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! >> >>Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED >>that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and >>ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. >> >>-T- >> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:45:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21916 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25906; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25792; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25778; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) with SMTP id MAA03229 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812311743.MAA03229@vixen.cs.utk.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: vixen.cs.utk.edu: LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:43:31 -0500 From: Judi Theg Talley List-Unsubscribe: New Year Greetings, Ladies and Gents! Looks like it's time for another gentle reminder. I may start posting this monthly. Well, maybe quarterly... If you don't want to receive this list anymore, send a message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu with "unsubscribe" in either the body or the subject (or both, I don't care as long as you say it somewhere.) If your address has changed, I need the address you used when you subscribed to the list. Otherwise, you'll keep getting messages... If you're subscribed to the digest, it's really, really, really helpful if you'd say "unsubscribe digest." Not necessary, but helpful. I don't read the list; I'm the postmaster here and just run the scripts to manipulate the mail list for you, so sending to the list won't get you what you want unless someone gets tired of seeing your posts to the list and forwards it to thinkpad-request. Unfortunately, that could get the forwarder unsubscribed if I don't monitor the scripts while they run. So please, for everyone's sanity (not least mine), send your requests to the thinkpad-request address. Thank you for your time and attention, Judi ---- Judith Theg Talley, System Admin Innovative Computing Labs ICL Help Computer Science Department Postmaster University of Tennessee http://www.cs.utk.edu/~judi/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:47:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21992 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26344; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:47:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26252; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw1.texas.net (mw1.texas.net [206.127.30.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26234; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ouatic (mnet01-35.sat.texas.net [206.127.6.35]) by mw1.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id LAA21349; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:47:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301be34e5$7b39e720$23067fce@ouatic> From: "TD" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:46:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 List-Unsubscribe: I just looked....the files on the recovery CD are compressed images....no way to get the drivers without installing the whole thing. -T- -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: TD Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 11:42 AM Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >TD wrote: >> >> Is it possible to load the video features drivers on the recovery >> disk....without restoring Win95 and all the other crap IBM put on that disk? >> Thanks. >> >> -T- >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce Markowitz >> To: TD ; Thinkpad List >> Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem >> >> >Try loading the W95 video drivers that came with the recovery disk. VPM is >> >an overlay issue, usually cured by a different set of drivers. >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: TD >> >To: Thinkpad List >> >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:55 AM >> >Subject: 770ED DVD problem >> > >> > >> >>Has anyone tried the latest Video Features IV drivers (ver 1.30) for >> Win98? >> >>After doing a full format and reinstall of Win98 and upgrading to this >> >>driver and the latest video capture driver III....my DVD player won't work >> >>anymore. >> >> >> >>I keep getting multiple error messages: >> >> >> >>1. "Unable to Locate VPM Provider." >> >>2. MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! >> >> >> >>Can someone please email me the last Video Features drivers for the 770ED >> >>that definitely works with the DVD player? I checked the IBM web site and >> >>ftp site, but they had already taken the old drivers off. Thanks. >> >> >> >>-T- >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >Don't know - have not tried! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 12:57:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22081 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27071; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:55:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26964; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26936; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg131-013.ricochet.net [204.179.131.13]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04437; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:55:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "John Kim" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Recovery CD (Was: DVD - uggghhh!) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: <003501be34e6$c4b807f0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: John, repeat after me: System Commander System Commander System Commander > Are you saying what I think you're saying? I have 2 primary > partitions on my laptop - one boots to DOS 5.0 (no point > waiting for Win95 to boot when all I want to do is fiddle with > the APM BIOS), the other boots to Win95. I use OS/2 boot > manager to select between these two and Linux (which sits on a > logical drive). As Ryan pointed out, you don't need a separate DOS partition at all. You can just boot Win95 into pure DOS mode. With System Commander, you can easily set up a single boot menu that has different Win95 options as well as your other OS's. > When I boot DOS, it is my C: drive and my Win95 partition is > invisible. When I boot Win95, it is my C: drive and my DOS > partition is invisible. OTOH, with Linux, I can mount both my > DOS and Win95 partitions simultaneously. That is what I meant > when I said DOS/Win95 can only see one primary partition at a > time. System Commander also lets you specify which partitions to make visible. For example, I have it set up so NT runs with all partitions visible (NTFS and FAT), but Win9x runs with only the FAT partitions visible. Unlike FDISK and friends, System Commander lets you make as many partitions visible as you want. > Are you saying there's a way for me to make the invisible > partition visible under DOS or Win95? If so, please explain > how. Got it memorized yet? System Commander. >I had to resort to the unsatisfactory solution of putting > the Win95 boot files on the primary partition, but having the > actual Windows system files sit on a logical drive. It means > only 5 MB is invisible whether I'm in DOS or Win95, but it > requires an extra logical partition I'd prefer to eliminate > (especially since a lot of Windows programs seem to insist on > installing themselves on my 5 MB C: drive when Windows itself > lives on my D: drive). I'm not following all the details here, but I'd bet money it will be a whole lot easier with that program I've been mentioning over and over again. No, I don't work for the System Commander folks. I just hate seeing people waste hours and hours only to get an inadequate multiboot setup, when S.C. would take care of the whole thing very nicely. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 18:22:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26055 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06679; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:21:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06574; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from miles.in-motion.net (root@[206.31.50.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06561; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from spawn (43-92.in-motion.net [206.31.43.92]) by miles.in-motion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07167 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:27:27 GMT Message-ID: <001b01be351c$d17ae080$0100a8c0@spawn> Reply-To: "Darrin DeBard" From: "Darrin DeBard" To: Subject: Sound wirh Redhat Linux and Thinkpad 770 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:22:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hey all... Anyone know how to get sound working under Redhat Linux on a Thinkpad 770... Can get CD Audio and regular 8bit working but not 16 bit. I miss listening to my MP3's... and I hate Windows. Adv*Thanks*ance -Darrin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 18:25:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26098 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07053; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:24:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06965; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06952; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (p36.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.51]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11634; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:22:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812312322.PAA11634@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Cc: "`" <`@stevie.loop.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 15:24:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Happy New Year List-Unsubscribe: Just wanted to wish everyone on the list a happy new year, with hopes for new and better ThinkPads, and that our machines will make the transistion into next year. =) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Running OS/2 3/4, Win NT 4.0, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.3, Linux 2.0.29, Newton OS 2.0 ICQ#22543041 AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 18:31:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26175 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07758; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07463; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from miles.in-motion.net (root@[206.31.50.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07439; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from spawn (43-92.in-motion.net [206.31.43.92]) by miles.in-motion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07355 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:35:31 GMT Message-ID: <002f01be351d$f1c69680$0100a8c0@spawn> Reply-To: "Darrin DeBard" From: "Darrin DeBard" To: Subject: Sound with Redhat Linux and Thinkpad 770 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:30:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hey all, Anyone know how to get sound working with Redhat Linux on a Thinkpad 770? I can listen to CD audio and 8 bit sound but I can't play16 bit stuff. All the links I have found on the web concerning this issue are broken. Several of the drivers and modules supplied with the kernel yield the above results. I am currently using the Sound Blaster 16 driver. I miss listening to my 44khz MP3's and I hate Windoze. Adv*Thanks*ance -Darrin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 18:31:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26183 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07769; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07474; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (water.vramp.net [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07447; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial24.vramp.net (dial24.vramp.net [209.107.20.39]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10516; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812312329.SAA10516@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: "TD" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:25:14 -0500 Subject: Re: 770ED DVD problem Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001301be34e5$7b39e720$23067fce@ouatic> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: On 31 Dec 98, at 11:46, TD wrote: > I just looked....the files on the recovery CD are compressed images....no > way to get the drivers without installing the whole thing. Try opening them with Winzip, works for my 765 and 600 recovery CDs. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. CaptJHEM@waterw.com Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 19:02:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26517 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09097; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:00:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08875; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08862; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA16648; Thu, 31 Dec 98 19:00:31 EST Message-Id: <368B12F6.B8C566F0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:00:22 +1300 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Darrin DeBard Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Sound wirh Redhat Linux and Thinkpad 770 References: <001b01be351c$d17ae080$0100a8c0@spawn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The commercial ($20) OSS driver from www.4front-tech.com works for me on 600 and 770. I have 16-bit full-duplex working. I believe they have a free trial version you can try. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 19:02:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26532 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09337; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:01:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08967; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08938; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (42.tcge1.tcge.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.139.42]) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06774 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01be3519$7f42eea0$58befea9@oemcomputer> From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: Subject: Display on 770X Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:58:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Just started up my brand new 770X....I'm very impressed with the quality build & everything I've seen so far...I've been a Toshiba notebook user for years, and finally made the switch to Thinkpad.. One problem: I've tried setting the display to higher resolution settings and the screen shrinks to 3/4 size..... 1. Came set at High Color 16 Bit at 1280X1024 2. if I want to go to 32 bit, screen area sets itself at 1024X768 3. When set at that screen shrinks to 3/4 size, with one inch border around... 4. How do you get it to fill at full screen at 32 bit? 5. Under the "Background Tab I have it set to "Stretch" in the "Display" window... Hope I can rely on this mailing list for help... Thanks to anyone with an answer... Thomas Jones taj@nauticom.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 20:31:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27510 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11496; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:30:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11342; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11330; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (43.tcg1.tcg.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.138.43]) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07103 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:09:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701be3526$d1445ba0$2b8ac3d1@oemcomputer> From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: TP770X Display Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:34:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE34FC.E74033E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE34FC.E74033E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I called IBM Tech Support and got thru right away...a pleasant surprise = compared to other computer companies. I was told that on 770X that when one goes to 32 bit color, screen will = only be 3/4 size as I described in my last e-mail to this mailing list. It's hard for me to believe that if you want afull screen on your = latoptop dispaly, the best you can go to is 16bit color on the = 770X...could this be true? Any feedback would be appreciated... Thomas A. 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I called IBM Tech Support and got = thru right=20 away...a pleasant surprise compared to other computer = companies.
 
I was told that on 770X that when = one goes to 32=20 bit color, screen will only be 3/4 size as I described in my last e-mail = to this=20 mailing list.
 
It's hard for me to believe that if = you want=20 afull screen on your latoptop dispaly, the best you can go to is 16bit = color on=20 the 770X...could this be true? Any feedback would be = appreciated...
 
Thomas A. = Jones
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE34FC.E74033E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 20:33:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27534 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11836; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:33:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11730; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11696; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (43.tcg1.tcg.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.138.43]) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06014 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01be3527$2ba84fc0$2b8ac3d1@oemcomputer> From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: TP770X Display Properties Question Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:36:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I called IBM Tech Support and got thru right away...a pleasant surprise compared to other computer companies. I was told that on 770X that when one goes to 32 bit color, screen will only be 3/4 size as I described in my last e-mail to this mailing list. It's hard for me to believe that if you want afull screen on your latoptop dispaly, the best you can go to is 16bit color on the 770X...could this be true? Any feedback would be appreciated... Thomas A. Jones From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Dec 31 20:52:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27744 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12699; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12553; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12541; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.54.138]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990101015114.RDIF5797@770>; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <368C2AB3.15FB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:53:55 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas A. Jones" CC: ThinkPad Subject: Re: TP770X Display References: <000701be3526$d1445ba0$2b8ac3d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That would be a limitation of the amount of Video memory. I asesume it will do 1024X768 24 bit color? My 770EE (4MB VideoRam) will do 1024X768 true color 32 bit full screen. Thomas A. Jones wrote: > > I called IBM Tech Support and got thru right away...a pleasant > surprise compared to other computer companies. > > I was told that on 770X that when one goes to 32 bit color, screen > will only be 3/4 size as I described in my last e-mail to this mailing > list. > > It's hard for me to believe that if you want afull screen on your > latoptop dispaly, the best you can go to is 16bit color on the > 770X...could this be true? Any feedback would be appreciated... > > Thomas A. Jones