From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 01:28:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03663 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12487; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:25:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12313; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12300; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tigger (ppp137.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.137]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id AAA10641; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:24:59 -0600 (CST) From: "David Talkington" To: "Kevin Toner" , "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: RE: Disable Win98 Enter Password Screen Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:23:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000001be63ac$05d93bc0$89d194ce@tigger> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Several possible causes. First that comes to mind is Tweak UI: make sure "clear last user at logon" isn't checked. Also, if you have a network card, and primary network logon is set to "Windows Logon", I believe you'll get that effect as well. You can change that behavior in various ways, including having Tweak log you on automatically. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Toner [mailto:kmtoner@bakerd.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 6:47 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Disable Win98 Enter Password Screen > > > How do I keep the Win98 "Enter Password" login dialog from > appearing? I do not have a password set on my TP600, but Win98 > still asks me to verify my Username and check the ok box every > time I boot. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Kevin Toner > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 02:23:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04168 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15852; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:21:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15708; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15695; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id XAA18517 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:19:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990228231528.00b85100@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:19:38 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: HD replacements for 380Z? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I asked before (under a different topic), but never got any replies. So I'll try one more time... Can anybody tell me what size (12.5mm? 17mm?) HD I can put into my Thinkpad 380Z? I cannot find any documentation on the size of the HD currently installed in my system (4.x GB). The IBM documentation indicates that they only have the 4.x and 6.4GB hard drives available for this unit, but that information is about six months old. I know they have newer Thinkpad models with larger capacity hard drives, all the way up to 10 and 14GB. I'd love to consider putting one of those into my machine. Any information, URLs or other hints would be greatly appreciated. Bill Morrow, do you have any hard drives > 6.4GB that would work? Thanks to all in advance. -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 13:26:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10347 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22139; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:21:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21901; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21791; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-19.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.19]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13643 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:21:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990301132140.01478320@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:21:40 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Used/dying 755c batteries? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990228231528.00b85100@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have or know a source for cheap used or dying 755c batteries? I need a battery that lasts under an hour for a great price, or a place that refurbs totally dead batteries at a reasonable rate, thanks. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 13:41:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10507 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23706; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:38:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23378; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from falk.c2i.net (pop1.c2i.net [193.216.69.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23363; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mp-116-92.daxnet.no (mp-116-92.daxnet.no [193.216.116.92]) by falk.c2i.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA11449 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:32:42 +0100 (MET) From: eyvind.spangen@c2i.net (Eyvind Spangen) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: 770ED DVD-player again Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:37:52 GMT Message-ID: <36daddec.150476@news1.c2i.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can't get the Zoran SoftDVD software to play DVD movies - all it says is "DVD drive not ready or empty", but I know it's working, as I can see all the files in Windows Explorer. Where can I find DVDExpress software? ES From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 14:18:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10994 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27069; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:15:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26812; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (hwyau@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26799; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hwyau@localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA17034 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:15:22 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:15:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Hon Yau Reply-To: Hon Yau To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a Thinkpad 760ED and remember reading somewhere that its chipset cannot cache more than 64MBytes. I am thinking of adding an extra 32MBytes to bring it up to 80MBytes, but wonder if anyone has had any adverse effect from this upgrade. I shall be mostly using Linux 2.0.x, Windows-NT4 and Windows 98, in order of importance. Thanks in advance. Cheers, -Hon. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 14:25:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11077 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27912; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27546; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com (arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27519; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id OAA17505 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:21:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:21:14 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 2.1Gb drive going cheap anywhere? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199903011421_MC2-6C4D-FD84@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I am really running short of space on my 810Mb HDD on my TP 755CX... I wi= ll at some stage get a new Laptop but 'til I can afford one, I could use an interim HDD upgrade. Even a 2.1Gb would help - anyone got one they wis= h to sell?? I assume it needs to be a slimline 12.5mm?? = Will a 10MM work??? I am UK but have a friend in US who will transact for me... Many thanks all... Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 14:57:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11492 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28117; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27567; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-img-8.compuserve.com (dub-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.206.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27518; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id OAA11315 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:21:12 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: error codes - Full list here Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199903011421_MC2-6C4D-FD82@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: RE: Copy of: Re: error codes - Full list here Listed here are the W95 Error codes ...FYI 0 0x0000 The operation completed successfully. = 1 0x0001 Incorrect function. = 2 0x0002 The system cannot find the file specified. = 3 0x0003 The system cannot find the path specified. = 4 0x0004 The system cannot open the file. = 5 0x0005 Access is denied. = 6 0x0006 The handle is invalid. = 7 0x0007 The storage control blocks were destroyed. = 8 0x0008 Not enough storage is available to process this command. = = 9 0x0009 The storage control block address is invalid. = 10 0x000A The environment is incorrect. = 11 0x000B An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect format. = 12 0x000C The access code is invalid. = 13 0x000D The data is invalid. = 14 0x000E Not enough storage is available to complete this operatio= n. = 15 0x000F The system cannot find the drive specified. = 16 0x0010 The directory cannot be removed. = 17 0x0011 The system cannot move the file to a different disk driv= e. = 18 0x0012 There are no more files. = 19 0x0013 The media is write protected. = 20 0x0014 The system cannot find the device specified. = 21 0x0015 The device is not ready. = 22 0x0016 The device does not recognize the command. = 23 0x0017 Data error (cyclic redundancy check) = 24 0x0018 The program issued a command but the command length is incorrect. = 25 0x0019 The drive cannot locate a specific area or track on the disk. = 26 0x001A The specified disk or diskette cannot be accessed. = 27 0x001B The drive cannot find the sector requested. = 28 0x001C The printer is out of paper. = 29 0x001D The system cannot write to the specified device. = 30 0x001E The system cannot read from the specified device. = 31 0x001F A device attached to the system is not functioning. = 32 0x0020 The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. = 33 0x0021 The process cannot access the file because another proce= ss has locked a portion of the file. = 34 0x0022 The wrong diskette is in the drive. Insert %2 (Volume Serial Number: %3) into drive %1. = 36 0x0024 Too many files opened for sharing. = 38 0x0026 Reached end of file. = 39 0x0027 The disk is full. = 50 0x0032 The network request is not supported. = 51 0x0033 The remote computer is not available. = 52 0x0034 A duplicate name exists on the network. = 53 0x0035 The network path was not found. = 54 0x0036 The network is busy. = 55 0x0037 The specified network resource or device is no longer = available. = 56 0x0038 The network BIOS command limit has been reached. = 57 0x0039 A network adapter hardware error occurred. = 58 0x003A The specified server cannot perform the requested = operation. = 59 0x003B An unexpected network error occurred. = 60 0x003C The remote adapter is not compatible. = 61 0x003D The printer queue is full. = 62 0x003E Space to store the file waiting to be printed is not available on the server. = 63 0x003F Your file waiting to be printed was deleted. = 64 0x0040 The specified network name is no longer available. = 65 0x0041 Network access is denied. = 66 0x0042 The network resource type is not correct. = 67 0x0043 The network name cannot be found. = 68 0x0044 The name limit for the local computer network adapter ca= rd was exceeded. = 69 0x0045 The network BIOS session limit was exceeded. = 70 0x0046 The remote server has been paused or is in the process o= f being started. = 71 0x0047 No more connections can be made to this remote computer a= t this time because there are already as many connections as the computer can accept. = 72 0x0048 The specified printer or disk device has been paused. = 80 0x0050 The file exists. = 82 0x0052 The directory or file cannot be created. = 83 0x0053 Fail on INT 24 = 84 0x0054 Storage to process this request is not available. = 85 0x0055 The local device name is already in use. = 86 0x0056 The specified network password is not correct. = 87 0x0057 The parameter is incorrect. = 88 0x0058 A write fault occurred on the network. = 89 0x0059 The system cannot start another process at this time. = 100 0x0064 Cannot create another system semaphore. = 101 0x0065 The exclusive semaphore is owned by another process. = 102 0x0066 The semaphore is set and cannot be closed. = 103 0x0067 The semaphore cannot be set again. = 104 0x0068 Cannot request exclusive semaphores at interrupt time. = 105 0x0069 The previous ownership of this semaphore has ended. = 106 0x006A Insert the diskette for drive %1. = 107 0x006B Program stopped because alternate diskette was not inserted. = 108 0x006C The disk is in use or locked by another process. = 109 0x006D The pipe has been ended. = 110 0x006E The system cannot open the device or file specified. = 111 0x006F The file name is too long. = 112 0x0070 There is not enough space on the disk. = 113 0x0071 No more internal file identifiers available. = 114 0x0072 The target internal file identifier is incorrect. = 117 0x0075 The IOCTL call made by the application program is not correct. = 118 0x0076 The verify-on-write switch parameter value is not correc= t. = 119 0x0077 The system does not support the command requested. = 120 0x0078 This function is only valid in Win32 mode. = 121 0x0079 The semaphore timeout period has expired. = 122 0x007A The data area passed to a system call is too small. = 123 0x007B The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. = 124 0x007C The system call level is not correct. = 125 0x007D The disk has no volume label. = 126 0x007E The specified module could not be found. = 127 0x007F The specified procedure could not be found. = 128 0x0080 There are no child processes to wait for. = 129 0x0081 The %1 application cannot be run in Win32 mode. = 130 0x0082 Attempt to use a file handle to an open disk partition fo= r an operation other than raw disk I/O. = 131 0x0083 An attempt was made to move the file pointer before the beginning of the file. = 132 0x0084 The file pointer cannot be set on the specified device or= file. = 133 0x0085 A JOIN or SUBST command cannot be used for a drive that = contains previously joined drives. = 134 0x0086 An attempt was made to use a JOIN or SUBST command on a drive that has already been joined. = 135 0x0087 An attempt was made to use a JOIN or SUBST command on a drive that has already been substituted. = 136 0x0088 The system tried to delete the JOIN of a drive that is n= ot joined. = 137 0x0089 The system tried to delete the substitution of a drive that is not substituted. = 138 0x008A The system tried to join a drive to a directory on a joined drive. = 139 0x008B The system tried to substitute a drive to a directory on= a substituted drive. = 140 0x008C The system tried to join a drive to a directory on a substituted drive. = 141 0x008D The system tried to SUBST a drive to a directory on a joined drive. = 142 0x008E The system cannot perform a JOIN or SUBST at this time. = 143 0x008F The system cannot join or substitute a drive to or for a= directory on the same drive. = 144 0x0090 The directory is not a subdirectory of the root directory= . = 145 0x0091 The directory is not empty. = 146 0x0092 The path specified is being used in a substitute. = 147 0x0093 Not enough resources are available to process this command. = 148 0x0094 The path specified cannot be used at this time. = 149 0x0095 An attempt was made to join or substitute a drive for which a directory on the drive is the target of a previous substitute. = = 150 0x0096 System trace information was not specified in your = CONFIG.SYS file, or tracing is disallowed. = 151 0x0097 The number of specified semaphore events for DosMuxSemWa= it is not correct. = 152 0x0098 DosMuxSemWait did not execute; too many semaphores are already set. = 153 0x0099 The DosMuxSemWait list is not correct. = 154 0x009A The volume label you entered exceeds the label character = limit of the target file system. = 155 0x009B Cannot create another thread. = 156 0x009C The recipient process has refused the signal. = 157 0x009D The segment is already discarded and cannot be locked. = 158 0x009E The segment is already unlocked. = 159 0x009F The address for the thread ID is not correct. = 160 0x00A0 The argument string passed to DosExecPgm is not correct. = = 161 0x00A1 The specified path is invalid. = 162 0x00A2 A signal is already pending. = 164 0x00A4 No more threads can be created in the system. = 167 0x00A7 Unable to lock a region of a file. = 170 0x00AA The requested resource is in use. = 173 0x00AD A lock request was not outstanding for the supplied cance= l region. = 174 0x00AE The file system does not support atomic changes to the lo= ck type. = 180 0x00B4 The system detected a segment number that was not correct= . = 182 0x00B6 The operating system cannot run %1. = 183 0x00B7 Cannot create a file when that file already exists. = 186 0x00BA The flag passed is not correct. = 187 0x00BB The specified system semaphore name was not found. = 188 0x00BC The operating system cannot run %1. = 189 0x00BD The operating system cannot run %1. = 190 0x00BE The operating system cannot run %1. = 191 0x00BF Cannot run %1 in Win32 mode. = 192 0x00C0 The operating system cannot run %1. = 193 0x00C1 %1 is not a valid Win32 application. = 194 0x00C2 The operating system cannot run %1. = 195 0x00C3 The operating system cannot run %1. = 196 0x00C4 The operating system cannot run this application program= . = 197 0x00C5 The operating system is not presently configured to run this application. = 198 0x00C6 The operating system cannot run %1. = 199 0x00C7 The operating system cannot run this application program= . = 200 0x00C8 The code segment cannot be greater than or equal to 64KB.= = 201 0x00C9 The operating system cannot run %1. = 202 0x00CA The operating system cannot run %1. = 203 0x00CB The system could not find the environment option that wa= s entered. = 205 0x00CD No process in the command subtree has a signal handler. = = 206 0x00CE The filename or extension is too long. = 207 0x00CF The ring 2 stack is in use. = 208 0x00D0 The global filename characters, * or ?, are entered = incorrectly or too many global filename characters are specified. = 209 0x00D1 The signal being posted is not correct. = 210 0x00D2 The signal handler cannot be set. = 212 0x00D4 The segment is locked and cannot be reallocated. = 214 0x00D6 Too many dynamic link modules are attached to this progr= am or dynamic link module. = 215 0x00D7 Can't nest calls to LoadModule. = 230 0x00E6 The pipe state is invalid. = 231 0x00E7 All pipe instances are busy. = 232 0x00E8 The pipe is being closed. = 233 0x00E9 No process is on the other end of the pipe. = 234 0x00EA More data is available. = 240 0x00F0 The session was cancelled. = 254 0x00FE The specified extended attribute name was invalid. = 255 0x00FF The extended attributes are inconsistent. = 259 0x0103 No more data is available. = 266 0x010A The Copy API cannot be used. = 267 0x010B The directory name is invalid. = 275 0x0113 The extended attributes did not fit in the buffer. = 276 0x0114 The extended attribute file on the mounted file system is= corrupt. = 277 0x0115 The extended attribute table file is full. = 278 0x0116 The specified extended attribute handle is invalid. = 282 0x011A The mounted file system does not support extended attributes. = 288 0x0120 Attempt to release mutex not owned by caller. = 298 0x012A Too many posts were made to a semaphore. = 299 0x012B Only part of a Read/WriteProcessMemory request was completed. = 317 0x013D The system cannot find message for message number 0x%1 i= n message file for %2. = 487 0x01E7 Attempt to access invalid address. = 534 0x0216 Arithmetic result exceeded 32 bits. = 535 0x0217 There is a process on other end of the pipe. = 536 0x0218 Waiting for a process to open the other end of the pipe. = = 994 0x03E2 Access to the extended attribute was denied. = 995 0x03E3 The I/O operation has been aborted because of either a thread exit or an application request. = 996 0x03E4 Overlapped I/O event is not in a signalled state. = 997 0x03E5 Overlapped I/O operation is in progress. = 998 0x03E6 Invalid access to memory location. = 999 0x03E7 Error performing inpage operation. = 1001 0x03E9 Recursion too deep, stack overflowed. = 1002 0x03EA The window cannot act on the sent message. = 1003 0x03EB Cannot complete this function. = 1004 0x03EC Invalid flags. = 1005 0x03ED The volume does not contain a recognized file system. = Please make sure that all required file system drivers are loaded and tha= t the volume is not corrupt. = 1006 0x03EE The volume for a file has been externally altered such th= at the opened file is no longer valid. = 1007 0x03EF The requested operation cannot be performed in full-scree= n mode. = 1008 0x03F0 An attempt was made to reference a token that does not exist. = 1009 0x03F1 The configuration registry database is corrupt. = 1010 0x03F2 The configuration registry key is invalid. = 1011 0x03F3 The configuration registry key could not be opened. = 1012 0x03F4 The configuration registry key could not be read. = 1013 0x03F5 The configuration registry key could not be written. = 1014 0x03F6 One of the files in the Registry database had to be recovered by use of a log or alternate copy. The recovery was successfu= l. = 1015 0x03F7 The Registry is corrupt. The structure of one of the file= s that contains Registry data is corrupt, or the system's image of the fil= e in memory is corrupt, or the file could not be recovered because the alternate copy or log was absent or corrupt. = 1016 0x03F8 An I/O operation initiated by the Registry failed unrecoverably. The Registry could not read in, or write out, or flush, o= ne of the files that contain the system's image of the Registry. = 1017 0x03F9 The system has attempted to load or restore a file into t= he Registry, but the specified file is not in a Registry file format. = 1018 0x03FA Illegal operation attempted on a Registry key which has been marked for deletion. = 1019 0x03FB System could not allocate the required space in a Registr= y log. = 1020 0x03FC Cannot create a symbolic link in a Registry key that already has subkeys or values. = 1021 0x03FD Cannot create a stable subkey under a volatile parent key= . = 1022 0x03FE A notify change request is being completed and the information is not being returned in the caller's buffer. The caller now= = needs to enumerate the files to find the changes. = 1051 0x041B A stop control has been sent to a service which other running services are dependent on. = 1052 0x041C The requested control is not valid for this service = 1053 0x041D The service did not respond to the start or control reque= st in a timely fashion. = 1054 0x041E A thread could not be created for the service. = 1055 0x041F The service database is locked. = 1056 0x0420 An instance of the service is already running. = 1057 0x0421 The account name is invalid or does not exist. = 1058 0x0422 The specified service is disabled and cannot be started. = = 1059 0x0423 Circular service dependency was specified. = 1060 0x0424 The specified service does not exist as an installed service. = 1061 0x0425 The service cannot accept control messages at this time. = = 1062 0x0426 The service has not been started. = 1063 0x0427 The service process could not connect to the service controller. = 1064 0x0428 An exception occurred in the service when handling the control request. = 1065 0x0429 The database specified does not exist. = 1066 0x042A The service has returned a service-specific error code. = 1067 0x042B The process terminated unexpectedly. = 1068 0x042C The dependency service or group failed to start. = 1069 0x042D The service did not start due to a logon failure. = 1070 0x042E After starting, the service hung in a start-pending state= . = 1071 0x042F The specified service database lock is invalid. = 1072 0x0430 The specified service has been marked for deletion. = 1073 0x0431 The specified service already exists. = 1074 0x0432 The system is currently running with the last-known-good configuration. = 1075 0x0433 The dependency service does not exist or has been marked for deletion. = 1076 0x0434 The current boot has already been accepted for use as the= = last-known-good control set. = 1077 0x0435 No attempts to start the service have been made since the= last boot. = 1078 0x0436 The name is already in use as either a service name or a service display name. = 1100 0x044C The physical end of the tape has been reached. = 1101 0x044D A tape access reached a filemark. = 1102 0x044E Beginning of tape or partition was encountered. = 1103 0x044F A tape access reached the end of a set of files. = 1104 0x0450 No more data is on the tape. = 1105 0x0451 Tape could not be partitioned. = 1106 0x0452 When accessing a new tape of a multivolume partition, the= current blocksize is incorrect. = 1107 0x0453 Tape partition information could not be found when loadin= g a tape. = 1108 0x0454 Unable to lock the media eject mechanism. = 1109 0x0455 Unable to unload the media. = 1110 0x0456 Media in drive may have changed. = 1111 0x0457 The I/O bus was reset. = 1112 0x0458 No media in drive. = 1113 0x0459 No mapping for the Unicode character exists in the target= multi-byte code page. = 1114 0x045A A dynamic link library (DLL) initialization routine faile= d. = 1115 0x045B A system shutdown is in progress. = 1116 0x045C Unable to abort the system shutdown because no shutdown w= as in progress. = 1117 0x045D The request could not be performed because of an I/O devi= ce error. = 1118 0x045E No serial device was successfully initialized. The seria= l driver will unload. = 1119 0x045F Unable to open a device that was sharing an interrupt request (IRQ) with other devices. At least one other device that uses th= at IRQ was already opened. = 1120 0x0460 A serial I/O operation was completed by another write to the serial port. (The IOCTL_SERIAL_XOFF_COUNTER reached zero.) = 1121 0x0461 A serial I/O operation completed because the time-out period expired. (The IOCTL_SERIAL_XOFF_COUNTER did not reach zero.) = 1122 0x0462 No ID address mark was found on the floppy disk. = 1123 0x0463 Mismatch between the floppy disk sector ID field and the floppy disk controller track address. = 1124 0x0464 The floppy disk controller reported an error that is not recognized by the floppy disk driver. = 1125 0x0465 The floppy disk controller returned inconsistent results = in its registers. = 1126 0x0466 While accessing the hard disk, a recalibrate operation failed, even after retries. = 1127 0x0467 While accessing the hard disk, a disk operation failed ev= en after retries. = 1128 0x0468 While accessing the hard disk, a disk controller reset wa= s needed, but even that failed. = 1129 0x0469 Physical end of tape encountered. = 1130 0x046A Not enough server storage is available to process this command. = 1131 0x046B A potential deadlock condition has been detected. = 1132 0x046C The base address or the file offset specified does not ha= ve the proper alignment. = 1140 0x0474 An attempt to change the system power state was vetoed by= another application or driver. = 1141 0x0475 The system BIOS failed an attempt to change the system power state. = 1150 0x047E The specified program requires a newer version of Windows= . = 1151 0x047F The specified program is not a Windows or MS-DOS program.= = 1152 0x0480 Cannot start more than one instance of the specified program. = 1153 0x0481 The specified program was written for an older version of= Windows. = 1154 0x0482 One of the library files needed to run this application i= s damaged. = 1155 0x0483 No application is associated with the specified file for this operation. = 1156 0x0484 An error occurred in sending the command to the application. = 1157 0x0485 One of the library files needed to run this application cannot be found. = 1200 0x04B0 The specified device name is invalid. = 1201 0x04B1 The device is not currently connected but it is a remembered connection. = 1202 0x04B2 An attempt was made to remember a device that had previously been remembered. = 1203 0x04B3 No network provider accepted the given network path. = 1204 0x04B4 The specified network provider name is invalid. = 1205 0x04B5 Unable to open the network connection profile. = 1206 0x04B6 The network connection profile is corrupt. = 1207 0x04B7 Cannot enumerate a non-container. = 1208 0x04B8 An extended error has occurred. = 1209 0x04B9 The format of the specified group name is invalid. = 1210 0x04BA The format of the specified computer name is invalid. = 1211 0x04BB The format of the specified event name is invalid. = 1212 0x04BC The format of the specified domain name is invalid. = 1213 0x04BD The format of the specified service name is invalid. = 1214 0x04BE The format of the specified network name is invalid. = 1215 0x04BF The format of the specified share name is invalid. = 1216 0x04C0 The format of the specified password is invalid. = 1217 0x04C1 The format of the specified message name is invalid. = 1218 0x04C2 The format of the specified message destination is invali= d. = 1219 0x04C3 The credentials supplied conflict with an existing set of= credentials. = 1220 0x04C4 An attempt was made to establish a session to a network server, but there are already too many sessions established to that server. = 1221 0x04C5 The workgroup or domain name is already in use by another= computer on the network. = 1222 0x04C6 The network is not present or not started. = 1223 0x04C7 The operation was cancelled by the user. = 1224 0x04C8 The requested operation cannot be performed on a file wit= h a user mapped section open. = 1225 0x04C9 The remote system refused the network connection. = 1226 0x04CA The network connection was gracefully closed. = 1227 0x04CB The network transport endpoint already has an address associated with it. = 1228 0x04CC An address has not yet been associated with the network endpoint. = 1229 0x04CD An operation was attempted on a non-existent network connection. = 1230 0x04CE An invalid operation was attempted on an active network connection. = 1231 0x04CF The remote network is not reachable by the transport. = 1232 0x04D0 The remote system is not reachable by the transport. = 1233 0x04D1 The remote system does not support the transport protocol= . = 1234 0x04D2 No service is operating at the destination network endpoi= nt on the remote system. = 1235 0x04D3 The request was aborted. = 1236 0x04D4 The network connection was aborted by the local system. = 1237 0x04D5 The operation could not be completed. A retry should be performed. = 1238 0x04D6 A connection to the server could not be made because the limit on the number of concurrent connections for this account has been reached. = 1239 0x04D7 Attempting to login during an unauthorized time of day fo= r this account. = 1240 0x04D8 The account is not authorized to login from this station.= = 1241 0x04D9 The network address could not be used for the operation requested. = 1242 0x04DA The service is already registered. = 1243 0x04DB The specified service does not exist. = 1244 0x04DC The operation being requested was not performed because t= he user has not been authenticated. = 1245 0x04DD The operation being requested was not performed because t= he user has not logged on to the network. The specified service does not exist. = 1246 0x04DE Return that wants caller to continue with work in progres= s. = 1247 0x04DF An attempt was made to perform an initialization operatio= n when initialization has already been completed. = 1248 0x04E0 No more local devices. = 1300 0x0514 Not all privileges referenced are assigned to the caller.= = 1301 0x0515 Some mapping between account names and security IDs was n= ot done. = 1302 0x0516 No system quota limits are specifically set for this account. = 1303 0x0517 No encryption key is available. A well-known encryption key was returned. = 1304 0x0518 The NT password is too complex to be converted to a LAN Manager password. The LAN Manager password returned is a NULL string. = 1305 0x0519 The revision level is unknown. = 1306 0x051A Indicates two revision levels are incompatible. = 1307 0x051B This security ID may not be assigned as the owner of this= object. = 1308 0x051C This security ID may not be assigned as the primary group= of an object. = 1309 0x051D An attempt has been made to operate on an impersonation token by a thread that is not currently impersonating a client. = 1310 0x051E The group may not be disabled. = 1311 0x051F T here are currently no logon servers available to service the logon = request. = 1312 0x0520 A specified logon session does not exist. It may alread= y have been terminated. = 1313 0x0521 A specified privilege does not exist. = 1314 0x0522 A required privilege is not held by the client. = 1315 0x0523 The name provided is not a properly formed account name. = = 1316 0x0524 The specified user already exists. = 1317 0x0525 The specified user does not exist. = 1318 0x0526 The specified group already exists. = 1319 0x0527 The specified group does not exist. = 1320 0x0528 Either the specified user account is already a member of the specified group, or the specified group cannot be deleted because it= contains a member. = 1321 0x0529 The specified user account is not a member of the specifi= ed group account. = 1322 0x052A The last remaining administration account cannot be disabled or deleted. = 1323 0x052B Unable to update the password. The value provided as the= current password is incorrect. = 1324 0x052C Unable to update the password. The value provided for th= e new password contains values that are not allowed in passwords. = 1325 0x052D Unable to update the password because a password update rule has been violated. = 1326 0x052E Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password. = 1327 0x052F Logon failure: user account restriction. = 1328 0x0530 Logon failure: account logon time restriction violation. = = 1329 0x0531 Logon failure: user not allowed to log on to this compute= r. = 1330 0x0532 Logon failure: the specified account password has expired= . = 1331 0x0533 Logon failure: account currently disabled. = 1332 0x0534 No mapping between account names and security IDs was don= e. = 1333 0x0535 Too many local user identifiers (LUIDs) were requested at= one time. = 1334 0x0536 No more local user identifiers (LUIDs) are available. = 1335 0x0537 The subauthority part of a security ID is invalid for thi= s particular use. = 1336 0x0538 The access control list (ACL) structure is invalid. = 1337 0x0539 The security ID structure is invalid. = 1338 0x053A The security descriptor structure is invalid. = 1340 0x053C The inherited access control list (ACL) or access control= entry (ACE) could not be built. = 1341 0x053D The server is currently disabled. = 1342 0x053E The server is currently enabled. = 1343 0x053F The value provided was an invalid value for an identifier= authority. = 1344 0x0540 No more memory is available for security information updates. = 1345 0x0541 The specified attributes are invalid, or incompatible wit= h the attributes for the group as a whole. = 1346 0x0542 Either a required impersonation level was not provided, o= r the provided impersonation level is invalid. = 1347 0x0543 Cannot open an anonymous level security token. = 1348 0x0544 The validation information class requested was invalid. = 1349 0x0545 The type of the token is inappropriate for its attempted use. = 1350 0x0546 Unable to perform a security operation on an object whic= h has no associated security. = 1351 0x0547 Indicates a Windows NT Server could not be contacted or that objects within the domain are protected such that necessary = information could not be retrieved. = 1352 0x0548 The security account manager (SAM) or local security = authority (LSA) server was in the wrong state to perform the security operation. = 1353 0x0549 The domain was in the wrong state to perform the security= operation. = 1354 0x054A This operation is only allowed for the Primary Domain Controller of the domain. = 1355 0x054B The specified domain did not exist. = 1356 0x054C The specified domain already exists. = 1357 0x054D An attempt was made to exceed the limit on the number of domains per server. = 1358 0x054E Unable to complete the requested operation because of either a catastrophic media failure or a data structure corruption on th= e disk. = 1359 0x054F The security account database contains an internal inconsistency. = 1360 0x0550 Generic access types were contained in an access mask whi= ch should already be mapped to non-generic types. = 1361 0x0551 A security descriptor is not in the right format (absolut= e or self-relative). = 1362 0x0552 The requested action is restricted for use by logon processes only. The calling process has not registered as a logon process. = 1363 0x0553 Cannot start a new logon session with an ID that is alrea= dy in use. = 1364 0x0554 A specified authentication package is unknown. = 1365 0x0555 The logon session is not in a state that is consistent wi= th the requested operation. = 1366 0x0556 The logon session ID is already in use. = 1367 0x0557 A logon request contained an invalid logon type value. = 1368 0x0558 Unable to impersonate via a named pipe until data has bee= n read from that pipe. = 1369 0x0559 The transaction state of a Registry subtree is incompatib= le with the requested operation. = 1370 0x055A An internal security database corruption has been encountered. = 1371 0x055B Cannot perform this operation on built-in accounts. = 1372 0x055C Cannot perform this operation on this built-in special group. = 1373 0x055D Cannot perform this operation on this built-in special user. = 1374 0x055E The user cannot be removed from a group because the group= = is currently the user's primary group. = 1375 0x055F The token is already in use as a primary token. = 1376 0x0560 The specified local group does not exist. = 1377 0x0561 The specified account name is not a member of the local group. = 1378 0x0562 The specified account name is already a member of the loc= al group. = 1379 0x0563 The specified local group already exists. = 1380 0x0564 Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requeste= d = logon type at this computer. = 1381 0x0565 The maximum number of secrets that may be stored in a single system has been exceeded. = 1382 0x0566 The length of a secret exceeds the maximum length allowed= . = 1383 0x0567 The local security authority database contains an interna= l inconsistency. = 1384 0x0568 During a logon attempt, the user's security context accumulated too many security IDs. = 1385 0x0569 Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requeste= d logon type at this computer. = 1386 0x056A A cross-encrypted password is necessary to change a user password. = 1387 0x056B A new member could not be added to a local group because the member does not exist. = 1388 0x056C A new member could not be added to a local group because the member has the wrong account type. = 1389 0x056D Too many security IDs have been specified. = 1390 0x056E A cross-encrypted password is necessary to change this us= er password. = 1391 0x056F Indicates an ACL contains no inheritable components = 1392 0x0570 The file or directory is corrupt and non-readable. = 1393 0x0571 The disk structure is corrupt and non-readable. = 1394 0x0572 There is no user session key for the specified logon session. = 1395 0x0573 The service being accessed is licensed for a particular number of connections. No more connections can be made to the service at= this time because there are already as many connections as the service c= an accept. = 1400 0x0578 Invalid window handle. = 1401 0x0579 Invalid menu handle. = 1402 0x057A Invalid cursor handle. = 1403 0x057B Invalid accelerator table handle. = 1404 0x057C Invalid hook handle. = 1405 0x057D Invalid handle to a multiple-window position structure. = 1406 0x057E Cannot create a top-level child window. = 1407 0x057F Cannot find window class. = 1408 0x0580 Invalid window, belongs to other thread. = 1409 0x0581 Hot key is already registered. = 1410 0x0582 Class already exists. = 1411 0x0583 Class does not exist. = 1412 0x0584 Class still has open windows. = 1413 0x0585 Invalid index. = 1414 0x0586 Invalid icon handle. = 1415 0x0587 Using private DIALOG window words. = 1416 0x0588 The listbox identifier was not found. = 1417 0x0589 No wildcards were found. = 1418 0x058A Thread does not have a clipboard open. = 1419 0x058B Hot key is not registered. = 1420 0x058C The window is not a valid dialog window. = 1421 0x058D Control ID not found. = 1422 0x058E Invalid message for a combo box because it does not have = an edit control. = 1423 0x058F The window is not a combo box. = 1424 0x0590 Height must be less than 256. = 1425 0x0591 Invalid device context (DC) handle. = 1426 0x0592 Invalid hook procedure type. = 1427 0x0593 Invalid hook procedure. = 1428 0x0594 Cannot set non-local hook without a module handle. = 1429 0x0595 This hook procedure can only be set globally. = 1430 0x0596 The journal hook procedure is already installed. = 1431 0x0597 The hook procedure is not installed. = 1432 0x0598 Invalid message for single-selection listbox. = 1433 0x0599 LB_SETCOUNT sent to non-lazy listbox. = 1434 0x059A This list box does not support tab stops. = 1435 0x059B Cannot destroy object created by another thread. = 1436 0x059C Child windows cannot have menus. = 1437 0x059D The window does not have a system menu. = 1438 0x059E Invalid message box style. = 1439 0x059F Invalid system-wide (SPI_*) parameter. = 1440 0x05A0 Screen already locked. = 1441 0x05A1 All handles to windows in a multiple-window position structure must have the same parent. = 1442 0x05A2 The window is not a child window. = 1443 0x05A3 Invalid GW_* command. = 1444 0x05A4 Invalid thread identifier. = 1445 0x05A5 Cannot process a message from a window that is not a multiple document interface (MDI) window. = 1446 0x05A6 Popup menu already active. = 1447 0x05A7 The window does not have scroll bars. = 1448 0x05A8 Scroll bar range cannot be greater than 0x7FFF. = 1449 0x05A9 Cannot show or remove the window in the way specified. = 1450 0x05AA Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service. = 1451 0x05AB Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service. = 1452 0x05AC Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service. = 1453 0x05AD Insufficient quota to complete the requested service. = 1454 0x05AE Insufficient quota to complete the requested service. = 1455 0x05AF The paging file is too small for this operation to complete. = 1456 0x05B0 A menu item was not found. = 1500 0x05DC The event log file is corrupt. = 1501 0x05DD No event log file could be opened, so the event logging service did not start. = 1502 0x05DE The event log file is full. = 1503 0x05DF The event log file has changed between reads. = 1700 0x06A4 The string binding is invalid. = 1701 0x06A5 The binding handle is not the correct type. = 1702 0x06A6 The binding handle is invalid. = 1703 0x06A7 The RPC protocol sequence is not supported. = 1704 0x06A8 The RPC protocol sequence is invalid. = 1705 0x06A9 The string universal unique identifier (UUID) is invalid.= = 1706 0x06AA The endpoint format is invalid. = 1707 0x06AB The network address is invalid. = 1708 0x06AC No endpoint was found. = 1709 0x06AD The timeout value is invalid. = 1710 0x06AE The object universal unique identifier (UUID) was not found. = 1711 0x06AF The object universal unique identifier (UUID) has already= been registered. = 1712 0x06B0 The type univer From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 15:55:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12237 for ; 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References: <3.0.1.32.19990301132140.01478320@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just got a refurbished full warrenty battery from IBM parts for $120. 1-800-388-7080 Have your FRU # ready. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:04:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12375 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05270; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:01:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05129; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05111; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.17]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990301210100.FJMJ22925@oemcomputer>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: <36DB0012.6C14@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:01:06 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Used/dying 755c batteries? References: <3.0.1.32.19990301132140.01478320@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <36DAFDA2.78D6@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Birger Petterson wrote: > > I just got a refurbished full warrenty battery from IBM parts for $120. > 1-800-388-7080 Have your FRU # ready. > Birger This was for IBM 755CD ThinkPad Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:10:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12448 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06215; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:08:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06069; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06055; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id NAA07733; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36DB0214.950483C3@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:09:40 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hon Yau CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The max for the 760s is 104MB (8 + 32 + 64). No mobile Pentium system can cache more than 64 MB (Pentium IIs can though). Linux has to be told if you have more than 64 MB. Otherwise all 3 OS's are happy with lots of RAM. Hon Yau wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a Thinkpad 760ED and remember reading somewhere that its chipset > cannot cache more than 64MBytes. I am thinking of adding an extra > 32MBytes to bring it up to 80MBytes, but wonder if anyone has had any > adverse effect from this upgrade. I shall be mostly using Linux 2.0.x, > Windows-NT4 and Windows 98, in order of importance. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > -Hon. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:32:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12669 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08085; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:30:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07937; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07914; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-47.gate.net [199.227.131.174]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA157640; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <36DB06A5.6F0820D8@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:29:09 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hon Yau CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NT & Linux can use the memory.. the cache issue is hardware.. if memory serves me correctly, win9x uses memory from the top down, thus with more than 64megs it is uncached memory.. in any event, more memory is good with those OS's Hon Yau wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Thinkpad 760ED and remember reading somewhere that its chipset > cannot cache more than 64MBytes. I am thinking of adding an extra > 32MBytes to bring it up to 80MBytes, but wonder if anyone has had any > adverse effect from this upgrade. I shall be mostly using Linux 2.0.x, > Windows-NT4 and Windows 98, in order of importance. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > -Hon. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:36:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12720 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08340; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08246; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08231; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-47.gate.net [199.227.131.174]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA392428; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:11 -0500 Message-ID: <36DB0767.3A5D612D@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:32:23 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: 2.1Gb drive going cheap anywhere? References: <199903011421_MC2-6C4D-FD84@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. you can use a 17mm HDD in that machine.. even a toshiba 19mm will fit, unwillingly.. i don't even buy 2gig drives since they are not so popular any more.. perhaps one of my customers has a used drive.. when you DO get a new drive, you should either get a new HDD shell or be prepared to do a little surgery on the connector of the old HDD shell... you may as well get it direct, thus save one shipping charge.. Mark Gardiner wrote: > I am really running short of space on my 810Mb HDD on my TP 755CX... I will > at some stage get a new Laptop but 'til I can afford one, I could use an > interim HDD upgrade. Even a 2.1Gb would help - anyone got one they wish > to sell?? I assume it needs to be a slimline 12.5mm?? > > Will a 10MM work??? > > I am UK but have a friend in US who will transact for me... > > Many thanks all... > > Mark -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:40:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12769 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09224; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08757; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08701; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-47.gate.net [199.227.131.174]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA257298; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: <36DB0836.392D4AA9@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:35:50 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD replacements for 380Z? References: <4.1.19990228231528.00b85100@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. i think the 380 series will take a 17mm drive.. have nothing beyond 6.4gigs yet.. besides 6.4is 12mm and so is the new 8.1gig, 12.5mm drive.. the only caveat being bios support.. the 10gig and 14gig are not shipping to dealers quite yet, and you can BET i'll publish the availability of huge capacity drives once they ARE available.. :-) David Goldman wrote: > I asked before (under a different topic), but never got any > replies. So I'll try one more time... > > Can anybody tell me what size (12.5mm? 17mm?) HD I can put into > my Thinkpad 380Z? I cannot find any documentation on the size of > the HD currently installed in my system (4.x GB). The IBM documentation > indicates that they only have the 4.x and 6.4GB hard drives available > for this unit, but that information is about six months old. I know > they have newer Thinkpad models with larger capacity hard drives, > all the way up to 10 and 14GB. I'd love to consider putting one of > those into my machine. > > Any information, URLs or other hints would be greatly appreciated. > Bill Morrow, do you have any hard drives > 6.4GB that would work? > > Thanks to all in advance. > > -- > David Goldman -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 16:41:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12777 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09067; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08730; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08690; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-47.gate.net [199.227.131.174]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA25288; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <36DB082D.2FEDC7CA@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:35:41 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD replacements for 380Z? References: <4.1.19990228231528.00b85100@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. i think the 380 series will take a 17mm drive.. have nothing beyond 6.4gigs yet.. besides 6.4is 12mm and so is the new 8.1gig, 12.5mm drive.. the only caveat being bios support.. the 10gig and 14gig are not shipping to dealers quite yet, and you can BET i'll publish the availability of huge capacity drives once they ARE available.. David Goldman wrote: > I asked before (under a different topic), but never got any > replies. So I'll try one more time... > > Can anybody tell me what size (12.5mm? 17mm?) HD I can put into > my Thinkpad 380Z? I cannot find any documentation on the size of > the HD currently installed in my system (4.x GB). The IBM documentation > indicates that they only have the 4.x and 6.4GB hard drives available > for this unit, but that information is about six months old. I know > they have newer Thinkpad models with larger capacity hard drives, > all the way up to 10 and 14GB. I'd love to consider putting one of > those into my machine. > > Any information, URLs or other hints would be greatly appreciated. > Bill Morrow, do you have any hard drives > 6.4GB that would work? > > Thanks to all in advance. > > -- > David Goldman -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 17:04:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13071 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12552; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12369; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (IDENT:unIDENTified@Viola.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12345; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01J8BIZJW5LSB2N6NY@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:00:33 MST Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:57:59 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Used/dying 755c batteries? In-reply-to: "A message dated Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:01:06 -0500" <36DB0012.6C14@worldnet.att.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01J8BJ5W9B6IB2N6NY@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.1.32.19990301132140.01478320@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <36DAFDA2.78D6@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Here's something from Usenet that might be useful - I've never used this company's services myself though. Billy Y.. >From: "Russell Cederberg" Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Don't throw away your old batteries! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:39:21 -0800 Message-ID: <7134pf$6m0$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> A company here in Oregon called Full Power will totally re-condition them for quite cheap. They just did a camcorder battery for me for about $15 and it works. 1-888-736-3948 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 1 17:07:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13107 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12969; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:05:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12843; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12810; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10234; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:05:11 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36DB0F16.D82DAC4F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:05:11 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eyvind Spangen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED DVD-player again References: <36daddec.150476@news1.c2i.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My guess is that SoftDVD is looking at the wrong drive letter. You could try to reinstall it and specify the correct drive letter, or perhaps you can find it in the registry. I don't recall if it can be set from within SoftDVD or not. I had this same problem. Reinstalling SoftDVD with the correct drive letter fixed it. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 01:23:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19485 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04031; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:21:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03909; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03894; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:20:55 -0500 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from atreyu ([199.174.204.177] (may be forged)) by dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id BAA10560 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:19:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990302011735.008b78c0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:17:35 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: 770ED DVD-player again In-Reply-To: <36DB0F16.D82DAC4F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <36daddec.150476@news1.c2i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 05:05 PM 3/1/99 -0500, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >My guess is that SoftDVD is looking at the wrong drive letter. If this is the case, you might be able to fix it by going to C:\WINDOWS\SOFTDVD.INI, and changing the "drive=" line to reflect the correct drive letter. I believe this is all I had to do to get mine working. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNtuCe28pw+2/9pUJEQKqJACfUw76qjPFjZQfuXWy7KeXUA/SE98AoP9Q ey1o+h+I6Jx2N1sF/o0tCTrp =aWh5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 04:08:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA20895 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10377; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:05:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10201; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10188; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MoxFulder1@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WQDHa18835 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4c62114f.36dba997@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:04:23 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 List-Unsubscribe: Does this mean that i put a total of 96 MB Ram in my 765L for nothing? It is a P166, and I put in a 64MB chip. Have those extra 32 MB gone to waste? Is it hurting my computer? thanks. --andy In a message dated 3/1/99 4:37:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, penzance@icanect.net writes: << CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu NT & Linux can use the memory.. the cache issue is hardware.. if memory serves me correctly, win9x uses memory from the top down, thus with more than 64megs it is uncached memory.. in any event, more memory is good with those OS's Hon Yau wrote: >> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 07:17:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA21937 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22196; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22057; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22024; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-066-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.146]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24771; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:15:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36DBD65B.7B00F28C@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 05:15:23 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad and IE4?? References: <36CDE66A.FAE@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nobody ever told me that IE 4 could damage a hard drive... I have had internet explorer on my various Thinkpad 760's since September of 1996 without problems... 760ED, 760XL, 760L, 760X... with various 1.1 Gb, 2.1 Gb, and 3.0 GB... none or our employees or customers have had significant problems... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 07:33:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA22053 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22998; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:31:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22817; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22777; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:28:37 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F1899@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: MoxFulder1@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: My understanding about the 64MB cache limit is that the RAM over 64MB is not dealt with efficiently and therefore can impact significantly the performance of the system. > -----Original Message----- > From: MoxFulder1@aol.com [SMTP:MoxFulder1@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 4:04 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? > > Does this mean that i put a total of 96 MB Ram in my 765L for nothing? It > is > a P166, and I put in a 64MB chip. Have those extra 32 MB gone to waste? > Is > it hurting my computer? thanks. > > --andy > > In a message dated 3/1/99 4:37:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > penzance@icanect.net writes: > > << CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > NT & Linux can use the memory.. > the cache issue is hardware.. > if memory serves me correctly, win9x uses memory from the top down, thus > with more than 64megs it is uncached memory.. > in any event, more memory is good with those OS's > > Hon Yau wrote: >> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 07:56:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA22229 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24312; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24183; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24170; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-066-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.146]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25419; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:54:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36DBDF84.2BB7877@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 05:54:28 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? References: <00ab01be5c5d$ed452c40$1c81c998@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: RegClean.exe is a very difficult file to find these days... Microsoft stopped pushing it after having problems with it and Visual Studio 97 and other programs. It is not under the regular download section and doesn't come up on most searches... hasn't done so since last July. But I find it a handy program for lost of things. It is used in Visual Basic 98 and Microsoft Project 98. You can find it for download along with thousands of other Microsoft things at ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ A useful manual is Registry for Dummies, and when used with Norton Utilities or other registry edit software, you can make some headway. had From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 09:41:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23138 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29195; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:38:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29051; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29032; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-066-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.146]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27983; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:38:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36DBF7E7.E8C28E87@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:38:31 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: W95 reinstall LOGIC ??? References: <199902241535_MC2-6BB8-F425@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The general rule is, "If it isn't broke, don't fix it." When you have an older file that has been working for you, don't change it unless you have a very good reason. There are hundreds of instances where the newer file causes damage or problems that were unknow under the older file. Go to www.microsoft.com and research the knowledge bases. Go to other sites on the web. You can usually find details that explain why you need to use the newer or the older file. I have had large numbers of clients who have paid me good money to fix things they screwed up with these updates... One of the most common being, "...unable to find _____.dll..." or unable to find another key file or element after doing these replacments... If you KNOW why you are replacing, you are pretty safe. If you are replace just because it is a more recent release, and your software packages are old ones, you could be causing yourself a late night at the keyboard. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 12:33:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25250 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12624; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:32:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12439; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12350; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08440; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:29:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com cc: MoxFulder1@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F1899@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the system. If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > My understanding about the 64MB cache limit is that the RAM over 64MB is not > dealt with efficiently and therefore can impact significantly the > performance of the system. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MoxFulder1@aol.com [SMTP:MoxFulder1@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 4:04 AM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? > > > > Does this mean that i put a total of 96 MB Ram in my 765L for nothing? It > > is > > a P166, and I put in a 64MB chip. Have those extra 32 MB gone to waste? > > Is > > it hurting my computer? thanks. > > > > --andy > > > > In a message dated 3/1/99 4:37:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > penzance@icanect.net writes: > > > > << CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > NT & Linux can use the memory.. > > the cache issue is hardware.. > > if memory serves me correctly, win9x uses memory from the top down, thus > > with more than 64megs it is uncached memory.. > > in any event, more memory is good with those OS's > > > > Hon Yau wrote: >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 13:02:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25688 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14551; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:01:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14369; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14354; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01734 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue > has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the > system. Those chipsets limited to caching 64 MB cache it from the bottom up. If the OS uses memory from the top down, it will be using uncached memory before it uses cached memory. That is why some OSes can be mostly unaffected by the problem, while others are severely impacted. One oft-cited remedy is to turn the uncacahed memory into a ramdisk, but I've never seen details on how that is done. > If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs > of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX > chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. Which just begs the question: which Pentium laptops use the HX chipset, if any? -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 13:24:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26090 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16006; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:23:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15861; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15761; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id KAA05575; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36DC2CA2.48CD121F@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:23:30 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The HX chipset is for desktop Pentiums ie big, hot and power hungry. No current Thinkpads use the desktop chips, so no thinkpads use the HX chipset either, meaning all Pentium Thinkpads can't cache above 64 MB. Possible exception: I don't know if the P90/120 760s use mobile or desktop chips. Some ancient Taiwanese clones do use the HX chipset and desktop CPUs, but I think the trade-off in heat isn't worth it - taking 2 seconds less to do something is not worth frying your thighs for. Anyway if you really need speed you should be moving up to Pentium II by now, which doesn't have the 64 MB limit. Remember that if your hard disk is getting a lot of use, any RAM, no matter how slow, is 2,000-5,000 times faster than a hard drive. Access time is in nanoseconds (10^-9) vs milliseconds (10^-4). Bottomline: if your system does a lot of disk swapping, buy the RAM. Benjamin John Kim wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue > > has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the > > system. > > Those chipsets limited to caching 64 MB cache it from the > bottom up. If the OS uses memory from the top down, it will > be using uncached memory before it uses cached memory. That > is why some OSes can be mostly unaffected by the problem, > while others are severely impacted. One oft-cited remedy is > to turn the uncacahed memory into a ramdisk, but I've never > seen details on how that is done. > > > If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs > > of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX > > chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. > > Which just begs the question: which Pentium laptops use the > HX chipset, if any? > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 13:47:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26406 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17797; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:45:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17626; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from www200.image.dk (www200.image.dk [194.234.58.146]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17611; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dom00881 (pm26-6.image.dk [194.234.59.70]) by www200.image.dk (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14373 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:45:01 +0100 Message-ID: <001801be64dd$0bd040a0$463beac2@dom00881> From: "Fjerbaek+Banke" To: Subject: Hello! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:46:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: The welcome message from this list encourage new members to introduce = themselves, soooo... Hello, my name is Peter Fjerbaek, I'm 30 and from Copenhagen, Denmark = (which, if any of you don't know, is a small country in Scandinavia, = home of the amusement park Tivoli, LEGO toys, Helena Christensen, = Bang&Olufsen, a soccer team which wins when nobody excpect them to and = loses the rest of the time - and a few other people and businesses too). Currently, I own and use two TP365X's (P120&133, 24MB RAM, 810MB HDD, = FDD, DSTN&TFT) and a 755CV (486/100,24MB RAM,810MB HDD,FDD and a lovely = overhead TFT) as well as an assortment of docking stations and = replicators. Apart from that, I have a defective 365XD (P100,16MB = RAM,810MB HDD, 6xCDROM and TFT) and a 360C (486/33, 16MB RAM, 170MB HDD = and TFT when it works) I don't think I'd call myself an expert on any of these TP's, however I = have been tearing them apart and putting them together again with no = damage done so far :-)=20 I'll probably be asking a lot of questions in the next few days, = beginning with these: - the first list mails seems to be about memory on the "old" Pentiums. = I'm in the process of ordering more RAM for the 365X's. With 8MB on the = motherboard, should I avoid the 64MB SODIMM if I'm running Win95? The = twist with the 365X is, that is does not have L2 cache AFAIK. Some = people say this means no barriers and some say is means that 32MB is the = cache limit. I'm somewhat confused about this, and would like some = response. - I have a problem with the TFT on the defective 365X. The screen looks = like the backlighting is way too intensive and the picture is in = negative (or something that looks like negative) Is it definately = broken, or could it be a wire error? - why the h... can't I get the 6X CDROM (FRU82H8160) from a 365XD to = work in a 365X - it's supposed to be exactly the same machine? Thank you for your patience... Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 17:51:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00448 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05352; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:47:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05044; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05017; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-192.gate.net [207.36.212.192]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA272558; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:47:40 -0500 Message-ID: <36DC6A5C.4F5167CE@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:46:52 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fjerbaek+Banke CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hello! References: <001801be64dd$0bd040a0$463beac2@dom00881> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: F+B.. Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: > The welcome message from this list encourage new members to introduce themselves, soooo... > > Hello, my name is Peter Fjerbaek, I'm 30 and from Copenhagen, Denmark (which, if any of you don't know, is a small country in Scandinavia, home of the amusement park Tivoli, LEGO toys, Helena Christensen, Bang&Olufsen, a soccer team which wins when nobody excpect them to and loses the rest of the time - and a few other people and businesses too). > gee, i thought Copenhagen was a small town between Reims and Paris..! :-) okok.. heheheh.. > Currently, I own and use two TP365X's (P120&133, 24MB RAM, 810MB HDD, FDD, DSTN&TFT) and a 755CV (486/100,24MB RAM,810MB HDD,FDD and a lovely overhead TFT) as well as an assortment of docking stations and replicators. Apart from that, I have a defective 365XD (P100,16MB RAM,810MB HDD, 6xCDROM and TFT) and a 360C (486/33, 16MB RAM, 170MB HDD and TFT when it works) > > I don't think I'd call myself an expert on any of these TP's, however I have been tearing them apart and putting them together again with no damage done so far :-) > > I'll probably be asking a lot of questions in the next few days, beginning with these: > > - the first list mails seems to be about memory on the "old" Pentiums. I'm in the process of ordering more RAM for the 365X's. With 8MB on the motherboard, should I avoid the 64MB SODIMM if I'm running Win95? The twist with the 365X is, that is does not have L2 cache AFAIK. Some people say this means no barriers and some say is means that 32MB is the cache limit. I'm somewhat confused about this, and would like some response. the question is academic..the 365X will only support an additional 32megs.. > > > - I have a problem with the TFT on the defective 365X. The screen looks like the backlighting is way too intensive and the picture is in negative (or something that looks like negative) Is it definately broken, or could it be a wire error? > it could be a failure in the cable..in any event, its not available individually and if you find a used one, its likely it too will have the same problem.. BUT, if you DO find a used one, try it before you buy it.. :-) > - why the h... can't I get the 6X CDROM (FRU82H8160) from a 365XD to work in a 365X - it's supposed to be exactly the same machine? > don't know..maybe the floppy connector is not also an IDE connector as in the 365XD.. ?! > Thank you for your patience... > > Peter -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 17:57:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00537 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05792; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:55:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05701; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05688; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic12.fbtc.net [204.2.11.12]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA28850; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:55:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01be64ff$343fff40$752cd2ab@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: , Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:51:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for that url. I have regclean and I've used it for a long time. I also have VC++ 6.0 which is really visual studio with just the C++ compiler. I wonder if it'll cause me problems. I'm downloading the one you pointed to in case it's more recent than the one I have. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bay To: Barry Marks ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? >RegClean.exe is a very difficult file to find these days... Microsoft >stopped pushing it after having problems with it and Visual Studio 97 and >other programs. It is not under the regular download section and doesn't >come up on most searches... hasn't done so since last July. > >But I find it a handy program for lost of things. It is used in Visual >Basic 98 and Microsoft Project 98. > >You can find it for download along with thousands of other Microsoft things >at > > ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ > >A useful manual is Registry for Dummies, and when used with Norton >Utilities or other registry edit software, you can make some headway. >had > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 18:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00627 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06583; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:03:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06422; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www200.image.dk (www200.image.dk [194.234.58.146]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06407; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dom00881 (52.ppp1-2.image.dk [195.24.5.116]) by www200.image.dk (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14266 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: <002001be6501$191f31c0$740518c3@dom00881> From: "Fjerbaek+Banke" To: Subject: 365X RAM and CDROM issues Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:04:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Re RAM:=20 Is it really true that the 365X will only support 32MB SODIMMs? I = remember newsgroup posts from people who used the 64MB SODIMM from the = 560 series with no problems. Anyway, have anyone tried the 32MB on a = 365X and did they hit a cache limit or not? Re CDROM: Well, it's the same motherboard FRU in the two models and the same = connector, so unless I'm mistaken it should work.=20 Peter=20 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Bill Morrow Til: Fjerbaek+Banke Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Dato: 2. marts 1999 23:55 Emne: Re: Hello! >F+B.. > >Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: > >> The welcome message from this list encourage new members to introduce = themselves, soooo... >> >> Hello, my name is Peter Fjerbaek, I'm 30 and from Copenhagen, Denmark = (which, if any of you don't know, is a small country in Scandinavia, = home of the amusement park Tivoli, LEGO toys, Helena Christensen, = Bang&Olufsen, a soccer team which wins when nobody excpect them to and = loses the rest of the time - and a few other people and businesses too). >> > >gee, i thought Copenhagen was a small town between Reims and Paris..! = :-) >okok.. heheheh.. > > >> Currently, I own and use two TP365X's (P120&133, 24MB RAM, 810MB HDD, = FDD, DSTN&TFT) and a 755CV (486/100,24MB RAM,810MB HDD,FDD and a lovely = overhead TFT) as well as an assortment of docking stations and = replicators. Apart from that, I have a defective 365XD (P100,16MB = RAM,810MB HDD, 6xCDROM and TFT) and a 360C (486/33, 16MB RAM, 170MB HDD = and TFT when it works) >> >> I don't think I'd call myself an expert on any of these TP's, however = I have been tearing them apart and putting them together again with no = damage done so far :-) >> >> I'll probably be asking a lot of questions in the next few days, = beginning with these: >> >> - the first list mails seems to be about memory on the "old" = Pentiums. I'm in the process of ordering more RAM for the 365X's. With = 8MB on the motherboard, should I avoid the 64MB SODIMM if I'm running = Win95? The twist with the 365X is, that is does not have L2 cache AFAIK. = Some people say this means no barriers and some say is means that 32MB = is the cache limit. I'm somewhat confused about this, and would like = some response. > >the question is academic..the 365X will only support an additional = 32megs.. > > >> >> >> - I have a problem with the TFT on the defective 365X. The screen = looks like the backlighting is way too intensive and the picture is in = negative (or something that looks like negative) Is it definately = broken, or could it be a wire error? >> > >it could be a failure in the cable..in any event, its not available = individually and if you find a used one, its likely it too will have the = same problem.. >BUT, if you DO find a used one, try it before you buy it.. :-) > > >> - why the h... can't I get the 6X CDROM (FRU82H8160) from a 365XD to = work in a 365X - it's supposed to be exactly the same machine? >> > >don't know..maybe the floppy connector is not also an IDE connector as = in the 365XD.. ?! > > >> Thank you for your patience... >> >> Peter > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will = vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 18:20:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00819 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07900; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:19:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07800; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07786; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-192.gate.net [207.36.212.192]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA313920; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <36DC71BB.D283AA47@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:18:19 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fjerbaek+Banke CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365X RAM and CDROM issues References: <002001be6501$191f31c0$740518c3@dom00881> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: > Re RAM: > Is it really true that the 365X will only support 32MB SODIMMs? I remember newsgroup posts from people who used the 64MB SODIMM from the 560 series with no problems. Anyway, have anyone tried the 32MB on a 365X and did they hit a cache limit or not? Apricorn (thinkpad proven vendor) only supports up to a 32meg part for the 365.. if it works, i would sure like to know.. i can sell more memory that way.. :-)i'm certain that if anyone DID manage to get a 64meg part to work in the 365 they WILL hit the cache limitation.. > > > Re CDROM: > Well, it's the same motherboard FRU in the two models and the same connector, so unless I'm mistaken it should work. > again, if it works, you are ahead, if not, then not..i have heard of a 2nd HDD working (sort of) in a 755 series.. a machine NOT intended to support a 2nd HDD in the ultrabay.. > Peter > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Bill Morrow > Til: Fjerbaek+Banke > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Dato: 2. marts 1999 23:55 > Emne: Re: Hello! > > >F+B.. > > > >Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: > > > >> The welcome message from this list encourage new members to introduce themselves, soooo... > >> > >> Hello, my name is Peter Fjerbaek, I'm 30 and from Copenhagen, Denmark (which, if any of you don't know, is a small country in Scandinavia, home of the amusement park Tivoli, LEGO toys, Helena Christensen, Bang&Olufsen, a soccer team which wins when nobody excpect them to and loses the rest of the time - and a few other people and businesses too). > >> > > > >gee, i thought Copenhagen was a small town between Reims and Paris..! :-) > >okok.. heheheh.. > > > > > >> Currently, I own and use two TP365X's (P120&133, 24MB RAM, 810MB HDD, FDD, DSTN&TFT) and a 755CV (486/100,24MB RAM,810MB HDD,FDD and a lovely overhead TFT) as well as an assortment of docking stations and replicators. Apart from that, I have a defective 365XD (P100,16MB RAM,810MB HDD, 6xCDROM and TFT) and a 360C (486/33, 16MB RAM, 170MB HDD and TFT when it works) > >> > >> I don't think I'd call myself an expert on any of these TP's, however I have been tearing them apart and putting them together again with no damage done so far :-) > >> > >> I'll probably be asking a lot of questions in the next few days, beginning with these: > >> > >> - the first list mails seems to be about memory on the "old" Pentiums. I'm in the process of ordering more RAM for the 365X's. With 8MB on the motherboard, should I avoid the 64MB SODIMM if I'm running Win95? The twist with the 365X is, that is does not have L2 cache AFAIK. Some people say this means no barriers and some say is means that 32MB is the cache limit. I'm somewhat confused about this, and would like some response. > > > >the question is academic..the 365X will only support an additional 32megs.. > > > > > >> > >> > >> - I have a problem with the TFT on the defective 365X. The screen looks like the backlighting is way too intensive and the picture is in negative (or something that looks like negative) Is it definately broken, or could it be a wire error? > >> > > > >it could be a failure in the cable..in any event, its not available individually and if you find a used one, its likely it too will have the same problem.. > >BUT, if you DO find a used one, try it before you buy it.. :-) > > > > > >> - why the h... can't I get the 6X CDROM (FRU82H8160) from a 365XD to work in a 365X - it's supposed to be exactly the same machine? > >> > > > >don't know..maybe the floppy connector is not also an IDE connector as in the 365XD.. ?! > > > > > >> Thank you for your patience... > >> > >> Peter > > > > > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 18:38:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01070 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09309; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:37:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09178; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.insyte.com (ns1.insyte.com [204.107.72.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09161; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailhost.insyte.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:37:58 -0500 Received: by mailhost.insyte.com from bullwinkle (204.107.72.254::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <00a101be6505$9b453b00$0104a8c0@bullwinkle.insyte.com> Reply-To: "John Steele" From: "John Steele" To: Subject: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:36:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I'm new to the list and I am certain this has been asked before, but here goes ... Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a 560X so now I have this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am wondering if it is worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any comments on the performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? It just seems like a shame to let it just die ... John Steele jsteele AT insyte DOT com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 21:31:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02973 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17600; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:29:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17428; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17411; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.12.27]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990303022824.LKM29748@tm.net.my> for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:28:24 +0800 Message-ID: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:28:12 +0800 From: Zilim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Additional RAM on TP770ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have a TP770ED running Win98 with 64MB RAM. I'm looking into upgrading my system to 128MB RAM. But I was advised against it. I was told that there will be no difference at all. Is it true? If it's not, then what kind of improvment would I notice on my system? Is there a site out there which I could get more info on it? Current spec. TP770ED 64MB RAM 8GB HDD Win98. I'm a power user of PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Publisher, Visio, Photoshop & etc. Your advise will be much appreciated. Thanks, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 22:18:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03529 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19524; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:17:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19367; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19349; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id TAA25853; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:17:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36DCAA00.23A1832A@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:18:24 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zilim CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you edit large files frequently in Photoshop it will make a noticeable difference. Word and Excel will probably not speed up. The biggest consumer of RAM is image files, not documents or spreadsheets. For example a 4x6 photo at 300 dpi would be 1200x1800*24bpp=6 480 000 bytes or approx 6 MB just to store the image in RAM. Add the same amount as working RAM, and a couple of undo buffers, and you're looking at 30+ MB, and then some if your image has multiple layers. If you work on 2 images, double that and you'll exceed available free RAM on a 64MB system. That said, if you work with simpler and/or smaller images it may not make much of a difference. Of course if you run Powerpoint, Word, etc. at the same time as Photoshop, get the RAM. Benjamin Zilim wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a TP770ED running Win98 with 64MB RAM. I'm looking into > upgrading my system to 128MB RAM. But I was advised against it. I was > told that there will be no difference at all. Is it true? If it's not, > then what kind of improvment would I notice on my system? Is there a > site out there which I could get more info on it? > > Current spec. > > TP770ED > 64MB RAM > 8GB HDD > Win98. > > I'm a power user of PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Publisher, Visio, Photoshop > & etc. > > Your advise will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. > ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 2 22:51:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03962 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20946; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:49:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20772; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20678; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-91.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.91]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA26656; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:45:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990302224814.0147d270@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:48:14 -0500 To: Zilim , ThinkPad Mailinglist From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED In-Reply-To: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Sheesh, I don't know who told you this, but I upgraded my 770ED from 64-128, and it was noticably speedier, especially with several apps open. 64-128 made Access/VB development work much quicker and tolerable. At 10:28 AM 3/3/99 +0800, Zilim wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a TP770ED running Win98 with 64MB RAM. I'm looking into >upgrading my system to 128MB RAM. But I was advised against it. I was >told that there will be no difference at all. Is it true? If it's not, >then what kind of improvment would I notice on my system? Is there a >site out there which I could get more info on it? > >Current spec. > >TP770ED >64MB RAM >8GB HDD >Win98. > >I'm a power user of PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Publisher, Visio, Photoshop >& etc. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 00:21:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA05236 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24885; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:20:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24751; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24736; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bp ([12.77.217.222]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990303051932.BASK16303@bp>; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:19:32 +0000 Message-ID: <36DCC66D.4260@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:19:41 -0500 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zilim CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am currently using 160 RAM. You will notice tremendous improvement when using Photoshop or any voice dictation program. Birger Petterson From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 02:16:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06489 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29963; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:14:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29818; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (relay2.jaring.my [192.228.128.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29798; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Administrator (j45.ptl37.jaring.my [161.142.115.119]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06496; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:11:44 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: , "Zilim" Subject: RE: Additional RAM on TP770ED Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:11:56 +0800 Message-ID: <000101be6545$1f2f60a0$0100a8c0@Administrator.jaring.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990302224814.0147d270@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Peter and the rest... I'm the guy who told Peter that it wasn't necessary to upgrade his thinkpad to 128MB :) His requirements were for general everyday windows 98 business applications, and the occasional photoshop work. Not running NT, anything high end, or working with large files, I was informed. Based on those facts, many opinions on newsgroups, and my personal experience, my advice to him was that he wouldn't get any dramatic improvement by getting the upgrade. My experience - unless you're working with Windows NT or high-end Windows 98 applications or large files which require tons of RAM, spend your money elsewhere :) I'm open to debate, this is only my opinion :) Warren. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 11:48 AM > To: Zilim; ThinkPad Mailinglist > Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED > > > Sheesh, > > I don't know who told you this, but I upgraded my 770ED from > 64-128, and it > was noticably speedier, especially with several apps open. 64-128 made > Access/VB development work much quicker and tolerable. > > At 10:28 AM 3/3/99 +0800, Zilim wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I have a TP770ED running Win98 with 64MB RAM. I'm looking into > >upgrading my system to 128MB RAM. But I was advised against it. I was > >told that there will be no difference at all. Is it true? If it's not, > >then what kind of improvment would I notice on my system? Is there a > >site out there which I could get more info on it? > > > >Current spec. > > > >TP770ED > >64MB RAM > >8GB HDD > >Win98. > > > >I'm a power user of PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Publisher, Visio, Photoshop > >& etc. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 03:25:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA06944 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03466; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:23:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03257; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03244; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp760 (user-38ldhb3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.99]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA02174 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:23:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903030823.DAA02174@smtp2.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:23:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:29:09 -0800 (PST), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue >has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the >system. If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs >of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX >chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. So, does this mean that the RAM beyond 64MB doesn't make a difference, or what exactly does it mean? I suppose it's possible to find out which chipset the 760ED uses through software, right? -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 760ED http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 760ED http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 03:40:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07040 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04281; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:39:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04150; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04137; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-58.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.58]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA27987 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:39:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903030839.AAA27987@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:26:22 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 modem under Win95 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: My 701 connects fine under OS/2, but under Win95 it hangs up as soon as it makes the connection. My desktop machine connects fine with both operating systems using the same settings, except of course for the modem type. Short of using a different modem, is there any way to correct this? Vicky -- Anacortes, Washington, USA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 05:44:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07691 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15237; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:43:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15114; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15087; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-35.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.35]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA17219; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:44:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990303054424.01485208@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 05:44:24 -0500 To: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Additional RAM on TP770ED Cc: , "Zilim" In-Reply-To: <000101be6545$1f2f60a0$0100a8c0@Administrator.jaring.my> References: <3.0.1.32.19990302224814.0147d270@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, this I would agree with. I used my 770ED at first for normal small apps and it was not my, "goto" machine for real work because most work I can bring home and use the tower of power (P2-450/256megs). But a current contract job requires a lot of on the site Access/VB work working with backend tables ON my notebook (100+megs per backend plus code) + VB6.0 opened at the same time as Access. It was the first time I noticed a drastic difference between it and my home machine (besides game ). 64->128 made a big difference. I am seriously contemplating throwing another 64megger in there for 160 or splurging for a 128megger for 192megs. A friend who does mainly web design and runs Photoshop has 288megs purring in his 770E. On the flipside, a few consultants I know run 48meg 760's with said software, so tolerance and patience are definitely two things to consider. ;) If you are addicted/forced to run Office and keep multiple apps open, I recommend a minimum of 64megs, and if you can, throw 96->128 in there. Yes, M$ pays my bills with 95% of the work my firm does, but it is still bloatware. (In the words of a friend, "You would think if they wrote the OS *AND* the Apps for said OS, they could get it right...") Basically, if you feel your system is running slow, step back and consider why it is running slow. If it is a game, well, most likely a memory upgrade won't make a world of difference, but if you find yourself with multiple apps running, known bloatware, image rendering and manipulation software, or see mad disk activity, then a memory upgrade should definitely be contemplated. At 03:11 PM 3/3/99 +0800, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: >Hi Peter and the rest... > >I'm the guy who told Peter that it wasn't necessary to upgrade his thinkpad >to 128MB :) > >His requirements were for general everyday windows 98 business applications, >and the occasional photoshop work. Not running NT, anything high end, or >working with large files, I was informed. Based on those facts, many >opinions on newsgroups, and my personal experience, my advice to him was >that he wouldn't get any dramatic improvement by getting the upgrade. > >My experience - unless you're working with Windows NT or high-end Windows 98 >applications or large files which require tons of RAM, spend your money >elsewhere :) > >I'm open to debate, this is only my opinion :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 05:48:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07706 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15526; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:47:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15412; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15348; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-35.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.35]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA05628 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:45:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990303054817.01481610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 05:48:17 -0500 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <199903030823.DAA02174@smtp2.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:23 AM 3/3/99, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:29:09 -0800 (PST), Vincent Poy wrote: > >>On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: >> >> Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue >>has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the >>system. If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs >>of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX >>chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. > >So, does this mean that the RAM beyond 64MB doesn't make a difference, or what >exactly does it mean? I suppose it's possible to find out which chipset the 760ED uses through >software, right? You have to weigh the pros and cons. :) For memory hungry applications, the degredation in system performance above 64megs due to caching issues might be miniscule compared to the headaches users are suffering by using 64megs or less of physical ram. The memory WILL be used, but caching is absent. BTW, the HX chipset can cache more than 64megs because it was targeted towards the server market where memory can make all the difference in the world. I still keep HX MBs in storage just for clients who use Pentium servers or want another one. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 09:22:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09018 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23212; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:20:21 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22800; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA12329 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21863; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:59:37 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Go1O-00010A-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:59:27 +0000 To: "UCLA" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Keyboard Sticky (760XD) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:58:59 GMT Message-ID: <36d82e15.14793614@post.demon.co.uk> References: <005a01be6221$71f50b40$a9830304@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <005a01be6221$71f50b40$a9830304@gte.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I'm afraid *my* 760CD (which I am using to type this message!) certainly does *not* have the butterfly keyboard. Are you sure about this? On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:18:59 -0000, UCLA wrote: >The 760CD most certainly does have the butterfly keyboard. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: UCLA >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 3:28 AM >Subject: Re: Keyboard Sticky (760XD) > > >The 760 does not have 'butterfly' keyboard. Only the 701 has those. >The 760 has the "old, tried and true, flat keyboard, raising it by >little legs underneath" that you referred to. And, they have a >tendency to get 'sticky'. > >On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:41:18 -0000, "UCLA" wrote: > >>The 770X does not have this problem, since IBM has >>abandoned the 'butterfly' keyboard used on the 760 line >>and gone back to the old, tried and true, flat keyboard, >>raising it by little legs underneath. Stanford shaw >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Cc: Martin H. Krieger >>Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 7:53 PM >>Subject: Re: Keyboard Sticky (760XD) >> >> >>I found this with my 760CD too. The keyboard became increasingly >>sticky with use - especially those 'shortcut' keys that I use most >>frequently. This obviously slowed down typing considerably. >> >>Since March 1996, the keyboartd has been replaced 3 times - the last >>time was just last week, which is just as well since my 3 years >>warranty will run out next month. >> >>Has this problem been resolved on later models like the 770? >> >>On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:20:08 -0800, "Martin H. Krieger" >> wrote: >> >>>I find that unless I push directly down on the keys of my 760xd there = is >>>sort of a stickyness or resistance. Very unlike the keyboard of the = 755c. >>> IBM says keyboard is just designed this way, although they would = replace. >>>What is others' experience. Thanks, >>>Martin >>>krieger@usc.edu >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 09:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09077 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24605; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:23 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23836; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA12414 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29423; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-066-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.146]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28116; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:42:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36DBF8FE.D84E13EF@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:43:10 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600e availability? References: <4.1.19990228094515.00a0c930@pop.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: >From the preliminary test reports I have read, there are huge performance differences between the new machines and the older ones... some of the biggest performance jumps in a long time... thus the cost I don't think the new machines are in very heavy delivery yet... most vendors are telling me, "due in" but are assured by IBM that they will get them at the same time as their competitors... Getting machines into the pipeline seems to take IBM a long time after the marketing people announce the new machines... probably as a way to give vendors a chance to unload their stock of older models. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 09:29:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09084 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24624; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:46 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23905; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA12429 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (hwyau@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03729; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hwyau@localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27307; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:37:44 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:37:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Hon Yau To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <36DB06A5.6F0820D8@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I just like to thank you and the others who have replied to my question. I was reasonably sure how Win9x and Linux grow their memory use, but was unsure about NT. I think on balance getting the extra memory would be worthwhile. Cheers, -Hon. On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > NT & Linux can use the memory.. > the cache issue is hardware.. > if memory serves me correctly, win9x uses memory from the top down, thus > with more than 64megs it is uncached memory.. > in any event, more memory is good with those OS's > > Hon Yau wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a Thinkpad 760ED and remember reading somewhere that its chipset > > cannot cache more than 64MBytes. I am thinking of adding an extra > > 32MBytes to bring it up to 80MBytes, but wonder if anyone has had any > > adverse effect from this upgrade. I shall be mostly using Linux 2.0.x, > > Windows-NT4 and Windows 98, in order of importance. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Cheers, > > -Hon. > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 11:11:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10239 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03521; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:09:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03246; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.electricv.com (IDENT:root@ns.electricv.com [207.66.81.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03205; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-103-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.226]) by ns.electricv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29923; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: <36DD5E82.9C1AB28D@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:08:34 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zilim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Absolutely untrue based on my experience... of all the changes I have made to increase performance on my Thinkpad 770, the increase in memory was the most significant... 64 is just not enough anymore... If you use your thinkpad for multiple software packages or for a lot of internet and desktop combined, you will see the difference... But where you will see the big improvement: Less crashes, better performance when doing audio or video, and faster performance when doing graphics. If you just use it for simple tasks like email, searches, spreadsheets, and word processing, you won't see a lot of difference... but still less crashes. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 11:38:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10630 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05689; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:36:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05531; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (relay2.jaring.my [192.228.128.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05514; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Administrator (j8.ptl34.jaring.my [161.142.114.22]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA10932; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:35:07 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Additional RAM on TP770ED Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:35:19 +0800 Message-ID: <000301be6593$d39e08e0$0100a8c0@Administrator.jaring.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-reply-to: <36DD5E82.9C1AB28D@cia-g.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Weird :) Perhaps you did something else as well to your system (eg. cleared up Window's files, etc) when you upgraded? Are you running 95/98 or NT? I've benchmarked two identical systems, down to running the exact same hard disk drive, except for the difference in RAM, and I got identical results in 98. Perhaps the benchmarking software (ZD's Winbench suite, Quake 2's monster timedemo, among others) weren't strict enough in testing, but I sure couldn't tell the difference between either system when running software. Less crashes... I've got an overclocked 450MHz Celery here running 24/7 and it has never crashed with 64 megs. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bay [mailto:raybay@cia-g.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 12:09 AM > To: Zilim; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED > > > Absolutely untrue based on my experience... of all the changes I have made > to increase performance on my Thinkpad 770, the increase in memory was the > most significant... 64 is just not enough anymore... If you use your > thinkpad for multiple software packages or for a lot of internet and > desktop combined, you will see the difference... > > But where you will see the big improvement: Less crashes, better > performance when doing audio or video, and faster performance when doing > graphics. > > If you just use it for simple tasks like email, searches, > spreadsheets, and > word processing, you won't see a lot of difference... but still less > crashes. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 11:50:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10798 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06795; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:49:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06657; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06629; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13109 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:48:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28820 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE656B.31AB79A0@ntmail.doble.com>; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Zilim'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'raybay@cia-g.com'" Subject: RE: Additional RAM on TP770ED Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:44:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Some general comments regarding ram over 64 megs. Even though uncached memory is slower, it is still faster than doing a disk swap. The OS takes up a big chuck of space these days. Add office or other apps and see the memory usage go up. VC++ 5.0 plus Win95 needs 64 megs when it is just idling. What I would do is to run the system monitor and track the memory usage and swapfile as you go through the normal computer usage routine. If your system is using the swapfile alot than the extra memory is worth it. I heard there are some problems with virtual memory so reducing swap usage may eliminate that as a crash source. I still think over 64 megs is a waste if you are only using the system for email. Web browsers may be a different story as they seem to be bloatware these days. Using the System Monitor program will give you clues. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:03:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10962 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08072; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:01:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07792; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07779; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09924 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:00:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:00:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade In-Reply-To: <00a101be6505$9b453b00$0104a8c0@bullwinkle.insyte.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, John Steele wrote: > Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a 560X so now I have > this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am wondering if it is > worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any comments on the > performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? It just seems > like a shame to let it just die ... A couple folks on this list did some tests with the upgrade, and I'm sure they'll chime in. It wasn't all that impressive, though it might be worth it if money didn't mean much to you. Due to its unique form factor and butterfly keyboard, there's a pretty good used market for 701's. I'd expect you could get around $300-$400 for it, more if you find the right buyer. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:25:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11538 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10191; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:23:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09890; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09871; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10068 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:23:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:23:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990303054817.01481610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > You have to weigh the pros and cons. :) For memory hungry > applications, the degredation in system performance above > 64megs due to caching issues might be miniscule compared > to the headaches users are suffering by using 64megs or > less of physical ram. The memory WILL be used, but caching Exactly. Uncached RAM will usually run at about 90%-60% the speed of cached RAM (depending on your app and processor). But memory swapped to disk will run at about 0.02% the speed of cached RAM. > is absent. BTW, the HX chipset can cache more than 64megs > because it was targeted towards the server market where > memory can make all the difference in the world. I still > keep HX MBs in storage just for clients who use Pentium > servers or want another one. I'm not sure I buy that. The HX came out before all the chipsets limited to 64MB of cached RAM. One line of thought says that Intel ran into technical problems supporting SDRAM and a large cache (all the chipsets limited to 64MB can use SDRAM, the HX has no such limit but cannot use SDRAM). The other more sinister line of thought says Intel wanted to protect their Pentium Pro which was a cash cow for the server market, so they deliberately crippled the later Pentium chipsets to only support 64MB of RAM cached (the TX came out when 32MB and 64MB in a system was becoming common). As a result, if you wanted more than 64MB of cached SDRAM, you had to buy a (more expensive) Pentium Pro system. If you tried to save money with a normal Pentium system, you were either limited to 64MB of cached memory, or you had to give up the ability to use SDRAM (which as it turns out only gave you about 1%-5% better speed, but it was new back then so most people didn't know). I had to agonize over all this when I bought my desktop system in late '97. Whether it was intentional or not by Intel, it caused many people a lot of grief. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:27:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11596 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10485; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10315; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10276; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-93.gate.net [207.36.212.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA48102; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <36DD705D.2F65E878@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:24:45 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Figure about 10% to 30% speed increase.. the 701 is a classic machine and will only maintain its value and perhaps increase as the available stock is diminished through death and accident.. sure, the 560 is a good bargain now and there are really great thinkpads at really low prices, but the 701 is the only notebook computer on display in the museaum of modern art in NYC... i had a 486-50 machine upgraded and it IS faster... it all comes down to the depth of your particular wallet vs. the altitude of your appreciation for a unique bit of history.. :-) John Kim wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, John Steele wrote: > > > Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a 560X so now I have > > this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am wondering if it is > > worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any comments on the > > performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? It just seems > > like a shame to let it just die ... > > A couple folks on this list did some tests with the upgrade, > and I'm sure they'll chime in. It wasn't all that impressive, > though it might be worth it if money didn't mean much to you. > > Due to its unique form factor and butterfly keyboard, there's > a pretty good used market for 701's. I'd expect you could get > around $300-$400 for it, more if you find the right buyer. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:29:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11640 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10905; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:28:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10759; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10705; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-93.gate.net [207.36.212.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA68160; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: <36DD70D3.11E7DADA@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:26:43 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: "'Zilim'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'raybay@cia-g.com'" Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 770E series will cache all the memory used in it... since its a P-II and thus uses the BX chipset.. Cottrell, Eric wrote: > Hello, > > Some general comments regarding ram over 64 megs. > > Even though uncached memory is slower, it is still faster than doing a > disk swap. > The OS takes up a big chuck of space these days. Add office or other > apps and see the memory usage go up. VC++ 5.0 plus Win95 needs 64 megs > when it is just idling. > > What I would do is to run the system monitor and track the memory usage > and swapfile as you go through the normal computer usage routine. > If your system is using the swapfile alot than the extra memory is worth > it. > > I heard there are some problems with virtual memory so reducing swap > usage may eliminate that as a crash source. I still think over 64 megs > is a waste if you are only using the system for email. Web browsers may > be a different story as they seem to be bloatware these days. Using > the System Monitor program will give you clues. > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:33:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11693 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11318; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:30:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11168; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11001; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-93.gate.net [207.36.212.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA112214; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: <36DD7154.D4044F3E@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:28:52 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zilim CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NOT TRUE.. load it up..! it'll cache all the memory.. it IS a P-II and thus uses the BX chipset.. the only reason i sold my ED and got an X is the different display.. :-) ALSO, look at my web site for LINUX and IBM news from Linux World in San Jose.. Zilim wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a TP770ED running Win98 with 64MB RAM. I'm looking into > upgrading my system to 128MB RAM. But I was advised against it. I was > told that there will be no difference at all. Is it true? If it's not, > then what kind of improvment would I notice on my system? Is there a > site out there which I could get more info on it? > > Current spec. > > TP770ED > 64MB RAM > 8GB HDD > Win98. > > I'm a power user of PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Publisher, Visio, Photoshop > & etc. > > Your advise will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:34:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11709 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11743; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11515; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11463; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-93.gate.net [207.36.212.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA313866 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <36DD71FE.33FC8DCE@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:31:42 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Linux and the ThinkPad news References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: check my web site for some gossip and news from linuxworld http://www.thinkpads.com/coming.htm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 12:37:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11744 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12258; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:34:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11818; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11767; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-93.gate.net [207.36.212.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA314050; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:34:06 -0500 Message-ID: <36DD725E.126FDD95@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:33:18 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vicky Stables CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 modem under Win95 References: <199903030839.AAA27987@baker.cnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vicky.. run the tests in easy setup, reload the drivers.. check your IRQ's.. it should work fine.. slow, but fine.. :-) Vicky Stables wrote: > My 701 connects fine under OS/2, but under Win95 it hangs up as soon as it > makes the connection. My desktop machine connects fine with both operating > systems using the same settings, except of course for the modem type. > Short of using a different modem, is there any way to correct this? > > Vicky > -- > Anacortes, Washington, USA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 13:29:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13027 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17420; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:26:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17050; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16948; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17059; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Warren Tan Wing Wah cc: raybay@cia-g.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Additional RAM on TP770ED In-Reply-To: <000301be6593$d39e08e0$0100a8c0@Administrator.jaring.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: Two identical systems is still different than a single system. I have done the test on my Desktop before. My motherboard is a ASUS XP55T2P4 which has the Intel Triton HX chipset but even though the board can cache 512 megs of ram, the system will only cache 64 megs of RAM unless a optional TAG SRAM Chip is added and the jumper is moved. It has 512k of Pipeline Burst Cache Onboard. PBC Cache gives a 15% increase in speed using Synchronous SRAM. EDO does the same thing but has no effect if you already have PBC. Anyways, I had 64 megs originally and the system ran really fast then upgraded to 180 megs using 72 pin SIMMS and the system slowed down even in the Norton Utilities System Info Benchmark by 10% when compared to the 64 megs of RAM. So I paid $US3.00 and bought the optional chip and then the system was back to the normal fast speed and I am running Win95/98 so it does cache the memory. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Weird :) Perhaps you did something else as well to your system (eg. cleared > up Window's files, etc) when you upgraded? Are you running 95/98 or NT? > > I've benchmarked two identical systems, down to running the exact same hard > disk drive, except for the difference in RAM, and I got identical results in > 98. Perhaps the benchmarking software (ZD's Winbench suite, Quake 2's > monster timedemo, among others) weren't strict enough in testing, but I sure > couldn't tell the difference between either system when running software. > > Less crashes... I've got an overclocked 450MHz Celery here running 24/7 and > it has never crashed with 64 megs. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Bay [mailto:raybay@cia-g.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 12:09 AM > > To: Zilim; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED > > > > > > Absolutely untrue based on my experience... of all the changes I have made > > to increase performance on my Thinkpad 770, the increase in memory was the > > most significant... 64 is just not enough anymore... If you use your > > thinkpad for multiple software packages or for a lot of internet and > > desktop combined, you will see the difference... > > > > But where you will see the big improvement: Less crashes, better > > performance when doing audio or video, and faster performance when doing > > graphics. > > > > If you just use it for simple tasks like email, searches, > > spreadsheets, and > > word processing, you won't see a lot of difference... but still less > > crashes. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 13:34:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13092 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17999; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:32:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17699; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17608; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17114; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <199903031743.MAA04307@camel8.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:30:32 -0800 (PST), Vincent Poy wrote: > > >On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >> > Actually, everyone is incorrect about this... The 64 meg issue > >> >has nothing to do with the OS but the chipset implementation on the > >> >system. If it's the Triton FX/MX/TX/VX, the system can only cache 64 megs > >> >of RAM. If you go over, none of the ram will be cache. If you use the HX > >> >chipset, then it can cache 512 megs of RAM. > >> > >> So, does this mean that the RAM beyond 64MB doesn't make a difference, or what > >> exactly does it mean? I suppose it's possible to find out which chipset the 760ED uses through > >> software, right? > > > > RAM beyond 64mb does make a difference but depending on the > >chipset, your computer can run faster or slower... The chipset can only > >be determined if it's in documentation somewhere or looking at the chip... > >I have the 385ED and it uses the Intel 82430MX which is the Intel Triton > >MX chipset... A good example would be my desktop which uses the Intel > >Triton HX chipset that can cache 512 megs of ram... It's a ASUS > >Motherboard so the board will only cache 64 megs unless you put in an > >additional cache chip... I had 64 megs and the machine benchmarked fast > >but I went to 180 megs and the machine slowed down 15%, I spent $3 to put > >the Cache chip in and then the machine was back to normal speed... So the > >thing is that more memory will allow running more tasks but depending upon > >the chipset, it can be slowed down if you have either the Intel Triton FX, > >TX, MX, VX since the ram isn't cache. Pipeline burst cacheing also known > >as SBurst caching gives a 15% boost in performance of speed. EDO RAM > >gives about 5% but doesn't do anything if there is Pipeline cache already > >there. > > > I think I sorta understand now. > > So, if I add more RAM, it needs that corresponding cache so it can > cache the RAM properly? It doesn't need the corresponding cache because the issue is the cache controller that puts a limit on the cache. If you use one of Intel's inferior chipsets, then your cache would not be used if you go past the 64 meg limit regardless how much cache you have. > Since you're a UNIX admin, what about other boxes such as SPARCs? > They don't have this problem, do they? SPARCs don't have this problem because those are servers... I build and run Pentium machines under FreeBSD for my own ISP and they all use the Intel HX chipset for this reason. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 13:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13292 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19304; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19021; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18959; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-162.islandnet.com [139.142.112.162] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10IG8x-000KuuC for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: raybay@cia-g.com Cc: rpritz@interport.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600e availability? Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:43:44 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <4.1.19990228094515.00a0c930@pop.interport.net> <36DBF8FE.D84E13EF@cia-g.com> In-Reply-To: <36DBF8FE.D84E13EF@cia-g.com> Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <36DBF8FE.D84E13EF@cia-g.com>, you wrote: : Getting machines into the :pipeline seems to take IBM a long time after the marketing people announce :the new machines... probably as a way to give vendors a chance to unload :their stock of older models. If that were the case, they would give the vendors fair warning but not tell the public about the new machine. The purpose of pre-announcements of all kinds (including vapourware) is to convince the potential customer to wait rather than buy a competitor's product. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 13:47:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13303 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19283; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18976; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18932; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-162.islandnet.com [139.142.112.162] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10IG8v-000KuNC for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: stables@cnw.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 modem under Win95 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:34:05 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199903030839.AAA27987@baker.cnw.com> In-Reply-To: <199903030839.AAA27987@baker.cnw.com> Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: This should be a 701 FAQ. I had the same problem, and an IBM technician gave me the following init string (My Computer / Control Panel / System Properties / Modem / Internal / Properties / Connection / Advanced / Extra Settings ! ) ATE1Q0M1V1X4&C1&D2&N0&Q6%E1 S7=60 S11=55 &S1 It works fine. Late I purchased a 33.6 PCMCIA modem which works 2.5x as fast. It was an IBM, available as a "remainder" item on the net for about $55. Good luck! In article <199903030839.AAA27987@baker.cnw.com>, you wrote: :My 701 connects fine under OS/2, but under Win95 it hangs up as soon as it :makes the connection. My desktop machine connects fine with both operating :systems using the same settings, except of course for the modem type. :Short of using a different modem, is there any way to correct this? : :Vicky :-- :Anacortes, Washington, USA : -- cheers Jonathan Nanaimo, just three ferry rides away From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 14:38:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14301 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23458; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23250; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23229; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-049.usc.edu [128.125.223.49]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA01386; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:36:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990303112741.00a96100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:36:42 -0800 To: John Kim , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <00a101be6505$9b453b00$0104a8c0@bullwinkle.insyte.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:00 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, John Steele wrote: > >> Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a 560X so now I have >> this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am wondering if it is >> worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any comments on the >> performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? It just seems >> like a shame to let it just die ... > >A couple folks on this list did some tests with the upgrade, >and I'm sure they'll chime in. It wasn't all that impressive, >though it might be worth it if money didn't mean much to you. I was the one who had the upgrade done and did the benchmarking (before & after). The general result was this: it was about 20 to 25% faster than the original 486DX-75. If that's noticeable and "enough" for you for whatever the price they're charging for it these (and do note that since your original is a DX-50, you're likely to see a larger performance increase), then by all means, go do it. The person I sold my upgraded 701 to (he's on the list here) seemed to like it, and said he felt it was noticably faster than the 701 he already had. There's a cult following for those things, and I can see why--I sure loved it, but I've moved on to more full-featured (and larger) machines. And I have to admit, I couldn't deal with a straight 640x480 screen anymore. I grew out of 800x600 too fast too--I wouldn't want to go back to 800x600 again, let alone straight VGA. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 14:49:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14468 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24463; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:48:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24341; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24307; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic86.fbtc.net [204.2.11.86]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA21458 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:48:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01bb01be65ae$3f2421c0$560b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: Subject: CPU's in 1451i series Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:44:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I was looking at the 1451 pretty closely yesterday. It seemed like a lot of power and features for the money, and, while my P166 Thinkpad is still fast enough, it's not TFT and the hard drive is too small. But when I did the comparison of the i series computers on IBM's site, it mentioned the 1751 (I think thats the right number) as having a mobile P2 and the 14xx series as having Pentiums with mmx. So I looked around a little more and found that a lot of the computers' cpus are marked as "mobile" and some aren't. I also went to Intel's site and looked up a chart that told what laptops are using mobile CPU's. The 14xx series wasn't mentioned. CTX and some others are using desktop CPU's in their laptops. These run hotter, and then run slower because theyre hotter, and shorten battery life. And probably the CPU life. I'm now wondering if IBM is doing the same thing. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it just a couple of coincidences? Or are they really using desktop CPU's? I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 14:55:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14578 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25020; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:54:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24903; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from agserv1.netzero.net ([209.14.79.124]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24885; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25078 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 1999 19:54:17 -0000 Received: from pppa4-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.63) by 209.14.79.124 with SMTP; 3 Mar 1999 19:54:17 -0000 Message-ID: <36DD9318.72F9F37B@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:52:56 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , thinkPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux and the ThinkPad news References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> <36DD71FE.33FC8DCE@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Interesting, but do you have the *lyrics*? ;) ;) ;) [I mean the text of the agreement] Bill Morrow wrote in his web site [* added for fun to highlight his typo or thinko] Apparently IBM and RedHat will *sing* a deal for RedHat Linux on IBM machines.. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:02:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14683 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25817; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:01:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25673; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25583; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.113.88.126]) by mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990303200043.NHMP11952.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:00:43 -0800 Message-ID: <36DD94E9.E6553FB1@home.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:00:41 -0800 From: Maryka Reply-To: maryka@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dictation software on the i series References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just got a Thinkpad i1410 (the only one that fit my student budget!) and I want to run Dragon Naturally Speaking for Corel Suite 8 on it. I've been told that the microphone needs a "boost", either through an adapter/converter especially made for Thinkpads, or an auxiliary power supply (the Andrea APS-100). The Dragon software came with a Corel-stamped microphone, so my question is this: is anyone else running this programme on their Thinkpad with the the Corel microphone, and if so, what are you using to boost the microphone power? I need to know which option to buy - the adapter or the auxiliary power supply. Thanks, Maryka From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:12:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14813 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26871; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:11:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26610; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26597; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic86.fbtc.net [204.2.11.86]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA00056; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:11:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01de01be65b1$6b8a6000$560b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:07:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? >So, does this mean that the RAM beyond 64MB doesn't make a difference, or what >exactly does it mean? The cpu is faster than the memory. Accessing memory by the cpu is one of the major things that happens in a computer. It spends a large portion of it's time reading and writing to memory. Since the cpu is faster, it initiates a read from memory and then has to pause and wait for the memory to return the requested data. The cache is something used by the cpu to retain what it last got from memory in case it's needed again. Retrieving from the cache is much faster than retrieving data from ram. If memory is added above 64 meg and it's not cached and Win95 puts itself in that uncached ram, then it'll run a little slower. I don't know how much this speed reduction is offset by having more ram when youre running several apps. I suspect that if you're using a lot of ram, then adding more above 64k will speed it up, but not as much as if it were cached also. If you're only running one app and its not using a lot of memory it probably will cause a decrease in speed. The first 64 meg is cached and will continue to be cached regardless of the extra memory. All the memory will still be used. I hope this helps. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:18:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14881 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27553; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27418; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27321; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17623; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Barry Marks cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <01de01be65b1$6b8a6000$560b02cc@cueve> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Barry Marks wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:23 PM > Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? > > > >So, does this mean that the RAM beyond 64MB doesn't make a difference, or > what > >exactly does it mean? > > The cpu is faster than the memory. Accessing memory by the cpu is one of > the major things that happens in a computer. It spends a large portion of > it's time reading and writing to memory. Since the cpu is faster, it > initiates a read from memory and then has to pause and wait for the memory > to return the requested data. > > The cache is something used by the cpu to retain what it last got from > memory in case it's needed again. Retrieving from the cache is much faster > than retrieving data from ram. > > If memory is added above 64 meg and it's not cached and Win95 puts itself in > that uncached ram, then it'll run a little slower. I don't know how much > this speed reduction is offset by having more ram when youre running several > apps. I suspect that if you're using a lot of ram, then adding more above > 64k will speed it up, but not as much as if it were cached also. If you're > only running one app and its not using a lot of memory it probably will > cause a decrease in speed. > > The first 64 meg is cached and will continue to be cached regardless of the > extra memory. All the memory will still be used. > > I hope this helps. That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. This can all be found on Intel's site. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:28:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14996 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28537; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:27:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28369; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (skl2@Ra.MsState.Edu [130.18.80.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28334; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (skl2@localhost); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/MsState-Ra/1.15) with ESMTP; id OAA25213; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:26:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:26:20 -0600 (CST) From: See K Lam To: Vincent Poy cc: Barry Marks , Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > I hope this helps. > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > This can all be found on Intel's site. > is there anyway to test wheather any ram is cached or not? how did u conduct the testing? thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:37:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15120 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29420; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:36:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29273; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29191; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17795; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: See K Lam cc: Barry Marks , Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, See K Lam wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > is there anyway to test wheather any ram is cached or not? how > did u conduct the testing? > thanks. There is a easy way to do it... 64 megs is the way to benchmark the real world performance at. Then add memory, and see if the performance slows down. I use both Norton SystemInfo and Landmark Speed. Basically, all Pentium chipsets from Intel besides the HX can only cache 64 megs. The HX has a 512 meg limit. The PII Chipsets all can cache 512megs or even higher. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:43:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15161 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00306; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:41:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29908; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tiny.wmis.net (tiny.wmis.net [206.249.182.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29816; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from work450 (usr3-ip061-grr.wmis.net [209.176.193.111]) by tiny.wmis.net (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id UAA21685 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:42:35 GMT From: "William Mast" To: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be65b6$01a69460$0200a8c0@work450> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 15:53:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15326 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01331; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:52:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01200; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from snoopy.insyte.com (ns1.insyte.com [204.107.72.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01161; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by snoopy.insyte.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:51:04 -0500 Received: from kermit.insyte.com [204.107.72.150] by snoopy.insyte.com [204.107.72.153] (SLmail 3.2.3108) with SMTP id 16B84090D1A211D2AE5B00AA00B1ACF1 for plus 2 more; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:51:04 -0500 Reply-To: From: "John Steele" To: "'Randal Whittle'" , "'John Kim'" , "'TP List'" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:52:03 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01be65b7$b16724e0$96486bcc@kermit.insyte.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990303112741.00a96100@rcf.usc.edu> X-SLUIDL: 16EC34F4-D1A211D2-AE5B00AA-00B1ACF1 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for all the comments. As many of you commented, it just a "neat" little machine and I've grown attached to mine (it has about 400,000 air miles on it over the years) and for some reason I'm just reluctant to part with it or dispose of it. My highschool daughter could probably make good use of it (aside from the 640x480 screen) if I upgrade it so I'm going to up the memory with a 32mb module. I've found some reasonably priced large drives so maybe that's the next step too. As has been noted, its a "work of art" and deserves a place ... :-) John > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 2:37 PM > To: John Kim; TP List > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade > > > At 12:00 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote: > >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, John Steele wrote: > > > >> Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a > 560X so now I have > >> this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am > wondering if it is > >> worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any > comments on the > >> performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? > It just seems > >> like a shame to let it just die ... > > > >A couple folks on this list did some tests with the upgrade, > >and I'm sure they'll chime in. It wasn't all that impressive, > >though it might be worth it if money didn't mean much to you. > > I was the one who had the upgrade done and did the > benchmarking (before & > after). > > The general result was this: it was about 20 to 25% > faster than the > original 486DX-75. If that's noticeable and "enough" for you > for whatever > the price they're charging for it these (and do note that since your > original is a DX-50, you're likely to see a larger > performance increase), > then by all means, go do it. > > The person I sold my upgraded 701 to (he's on the list > here) seemed to > like it, and said he felt it was noticably faster than the > 701 he already had. > > There's a cult following for those things, and I can > see why--I sure loved > it, but I've moved on to more full-featured (and larger) > machines. And I > have to admit, I couldn't deal with a straight 640x480 screen > anymore. I > grew out of 800x600 too fast too--I wouldn't want to go back > to 800x600 > again, let alone straight VGA. > > - Randy Whittle > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 16:07:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15432 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02984; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:05:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02741; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02726; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id NAA02819 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:02:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990303130128.00b95100@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:02:41 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: dictation software on the i series In-Reply-To: <36DD94E9.E6553FB1@home.com> References: <36DC9E3C.FD78A076@tm.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:00 PM 3/3/99 , Maryka wrote: >Hi, > >I just got a Thinkpad i1410 (the only one that fit my student budget!) >and I want to run Dragon Naturally Speaking for Corel Suite 8 on it. >I've been told that the microphone needs a "boost", either through an >adapter/converter especially made for Thinkpads, or an auxiliary power >supply (the Andrea APS-100). The Dragon software came with a >Corel-stamped microphone, so my question is this: is anyone else >running this programme on their Thinkpad with the the Corel microphone, >and if so, what are you using to boost the microphone power? I need to >know which option to buy - the adapter or the auxiliary power supply. Here is a copy of an older post from me to this group that will probably help you. At 08:22 PM 11/7/98 -0800, I wrote: >I've got a brand new ThinkPad 380Z (PII-300, 96MB) that I've had for >less than 2 full weeks. Today I tried doing some audio recording using >the mike and speaker jacks on the side. The speaker jack works fine, >but the mike jack seems to be slightly out of wack. > >If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), >then the external mike is TOTALLY DEAF! However, if I put the mike >jack in all but the last 1/16" (or so), then the external microphone seems >to work just fine. Unfortunately, I have to fiddle with the jack until I get it >just right before I can start recording. Thanks to all who responded to this problem. I received the "Thinkpad Mike adapter" from www.speechcontrol.com ($4.95 + shipping) and it fixed the problem right away. Quick solutions and suggestions like the ones I received are what make this mailing list / group SO helpful. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 16:10:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15475 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03395; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:09:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03271; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03241; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mindspring.com (user-38lcdsu.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.55.158]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13813 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36DDA51F.9D0C48A@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:09:52 -0500 From: Bill Hornbeck X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 16:38:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15838 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05998; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:37:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05854; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05827; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.78.202]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990304133954.CUOJ22306@tm.net.my> for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:39:54 -0800 Message-ID: <36DDAB5E.BDF67CA6@tm.net.my> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 05:36:30 +0800 From: Zilim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Additional RAM on TP770ED References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Thanks to all the advice and opinions. I can now proceeds into making the decision with much better understanding. Regards, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- Ethernet (n): something used to catch the etherbunny ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 18:18:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17149 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11989; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:15:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11736; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from www200.image.dk (www200.image.dk [194.234.58.146]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11710; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dom00881 (pm25-14.image.dk [194.234.59.14]) by www200.image.dk (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11354; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:15:07 +0100 Message-ID: <006f01be65cb$f466d920$0e3beac2@dom00881> From: "Fjerbaek+Banke" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Sv: Sv: 365X RAM and CDROM issues Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:17:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: By the way... All of a sudden, IBM Denmark is offering the 64MB SODIMM for the 365X on = their website.... I checked and Danish manufacturer Memory Card Technology is, too (this = is new, I mean one week ago they didn't) If the 365X has no L2 cache does this mean that I don't have to worry = about a cacheable limit or that the limit is 64 MB (or 32MB?) Peter=20 >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: Bill Morrow >> Til: Fjerbaek+Banke >> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Dato: 3. marts 1999 00:19 >> Emne: Re: 365X RAM and CDROM issues >> >> > >> > >> > >> >Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: >> > >> >> Re RAM: >> >> Is it really true that the 365X will only support 32MB SODIMMs? I = remember newsgroup posts from people who used the 64MB SODIMM from the = 560 series with no problems. Anyway, have anyone tried the 32MB on a = 365X and did they hit a cache limit or not? >> > >> >Apricorn (thinkpad proven vendor) only supports up to a 32meg part = for the 365.. >> >if it works, i would sure like to know.. i can sell more memory that = way.. :-)i'm certain that if anyone DID manage to get a 64meg part to = work in the 365 they WILL hit the cache limitation.. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Re CDROM: >> >> Well, it's the same motherboard FRU in the two models and the same = connector, so unless I'm mistaken it should work. >> >> >> > >> >again, if it works, you are ahead, if not, then not..i have heard of = a 2nd HDD working (sort of) in a 755 series.. >> >a machine NOT intended to support a 2nd HDD in the ultrabay.. >> > >> > >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> >> Fra: Bill Morrow >> >> Til: Fjerbaek+Banke >> >> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> >> Dato: 2. marts 1999 23:55 >> >> Emne: Re: Hello! >> >> >> >> >F+B.. >> >> > >> >> >Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The welcome message from this list encourage new members to = introduce themselves, soooo... >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello, my name is Peter Fjerbaek, I'm 30 and from Copenhagen, = Denmark (which, if any of you don't know, is a small country in = Scandinavia, home of the amusement park Tivoli, LEGO toys, Helena = Christensen, Bang&Olufsen, a soccer team which wins when nobody excpect = them to and loses the rest of the time - and a few other people and = businesses too). >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >gee, i thought Copenhagen was a small town between Reims and = Paris..! :-) >> >> >okok.. heheheh.. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Currently, I own and use two TP365X's (P120&133, 24MB RAM, = 810MB HDD, FDD, DSTN&TFT) and a 755CV (486/100,24MB RAM,810MB HDD,FDD = and a lovely overhead TFT) as well as an assortment of docking stations = and replicators. Apart from that, I have a defective 365XD (P100,16MB = RAM,810MB HDD, 6xCDROM and TFT) and a 360C (486/33, 16MB RAM, 170MB HDD = and TFT when it works) >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't think I'd call myself an expert on any of these TP's, = however I have been tearing them apart and putting them together again = with no damage done so far :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll probably be asking a lot of questions in the next few = days, beginning with these: >> >> >> >> >> >> - the first list mails seems to be about memory on the "old" = Pentiums. I'm in the process of ordering more RAM for the 365X's. With = 8MB on the motherboard, should I avoid the 64MB SODIMM if I'm running = Win95? The twist with the 365X is, that is does not have L2 cache AFAIK. = Some people say this means no barriers and some say is means that 32MB = is the cache limit. I'm somewhat confused about this, and would like = some response. >> >> > >> >> >the question is academic..the 365X will only support an = additional 32megs.. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - I have a problem with the TFT on the defective 365X. The = screen looks like the backlighting is way too intensive and the picture = is in negative (or something that looks like negative) Is it definately = broken, or could it be a wire error? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >it could be a failure in the cable..in any event, its not = available individually and if you find a used one, its likely it too = will have the same problem.. >> >> >BUT, if you DO find a used one, try it before you buy it.. :-) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> - why the h... can't I get the 6X CDROM (FRU82H8160) from a = 365XD to work in a 365X - it's supposed to be exactly the same machine? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >don't know..maybe the floppy connector is not also an IDE = connector as in the 365XD.. ?! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Thank you for your patience... >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> >> > >> >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> >> >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >> >> >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... >> >> > >> >> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your = mileage will vary, Done on a >> >> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at = home.. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> > >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >> >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... >> > >> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage = will vary, Done on a >> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >> > >> > >> > > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will = vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 21:51:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19749 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22198; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21865; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21842; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldgjp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.194.121]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17201; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903040249.VAA17201@camel8.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Steele" Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:30:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:36:58 -0500, John Steele wrote: >I'm new to the list and I am certain this has been asked before, but here >goes ... > >Last year I replaced my Thinkpad 701C (486dx2-50) with a 560X so now I have >this cute little 701 sitting around doing nothing. I am wondering if it is >worth having the AMD 586 upgrade and a new hard drive. Any comments on the >performance improvement from this upgrade? Is it worth it? It just seems >like a shame to let it just die ... > For a DX2-50. yeah, it might make a small difference, but I'd go with the memory and HD first. Upgrading the memory and HD makes a BIG difference, especially if you're using the old Mode 3 drive that it came with. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 21:51:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19754 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22196; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21902; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21866; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldgjp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.194.121]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27282; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:49:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903040249.VAA27282@camel8.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "john.steele@insyte.com" Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:34:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad 701C Upgrade List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:52:03 -0500, John Steele wrote: >Thanks for all the comments. > >As many of you commented, it just a "neat" little machine and I've grown >attached to mine (it has about 400,000 air miles on it over the years) and >for some reason I'm just reluctant to part with it or dispose of it. My >highschool daughter could probably make good use of it (aside from the >640x480 screen) if I upgrade it so I'm going to up the memory with a 32mb >module. I've found some reasonably priced large drives so maybe that's the >next step too. > Just make sure that the HD you decide to get has a 12.5mm form factor, otherwise it won't fit in your 701. Although I like my newer 760ED much better than my 701, it has definately served me well (3 years of high school), which is pretty long for the average notebook. =) -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 22:41:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20324 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24804; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:40:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24677; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from rochpop1.roch.uswest.net (rochpop1.roch.uswest.net [207.109.208.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24663; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29220 invoked by alias); 4 Mar 1999 03:40:20 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU@fixme Received: (qmail 29213 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 03:40:19 -0000 Received: from dialupb89.roch.uswest.net (HELO johnendicott) (209.180.50.89) by rochpop1.roch.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 1999 03:40:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005301be65f0$51c56540$5932b4d1@johnendicott> From: "John Endicott" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Watching DVD Movies Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:37:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. I recently read that the TP600E used software decoding and the resulting picture was not very good. Do all ThinkPads use a software decoder and are there other considerations that I should be taking into account. Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 22:56:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20480 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25671; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:54:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25483; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25469; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from classa (client-118-159.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.159]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14738; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:56:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801be65f2$a2cd3100$9f76c697@classa> From: "Don" To: "John Endicott" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:53:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: The 770ED uses hardware for decoding and I find the piture to be very clear on both the LCD and TV. (you can watch on both simultaneously if you want). With the 770X 300Mhz and above IBM stoped using the decoder and went with straight software decoding since the processor 'theoretically' should be fast enough to handle software decoding. They do offer an optional hardware decoder though. I also read that playback only by software is not quite as good. I do not know about the 600 series. Don -----Original Message----- From: John Endicott To: ThinkPad List Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Watching DVD Movies >Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. I >recently read that the TP600E used software decoding and the resulting >picture was not very good. Do all ThinkPads use a software decoder and are >there other considerations that I should be taking into account. Thanks. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 3 23:53:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21235 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27692; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:51:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27575; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27549; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id UAA21632; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Vincent Poy" , "See K Lam" Cc: "Barry Marks" , "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:50:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be65fa$9737d2c0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:35 PM > To: See K Lam > Cc: Barry Marks; Paul Khoury; ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, See K Lam wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can > only cache 64 > > > megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > is there anyway to test wheather any ram is cached or not? how > > did u conduct the testing? > > thanks. > > There is a easy way to do it... 64 megs is the way to benchmark > the real world performance at. Then add memory, and see if the > performance slows down. I use both Norton SystemInfo and Landmark Speed. > Basically, all Pentium chipsets from Intel besides the HX can only cache > 64 megs. The HX has a 512 meg limit. The PII Chipsets all can cache > 512megs or even higher. Alternatively, there is a program called Cache Check (either shareware or freeware) that will run memory timings block by block on the RAM you have on your system. That's what I used when I was previously doing memory upgrades to 486's. It's at: ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysinfo/cachchk7.zip Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1999 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 00:23:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21653 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29027; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:21:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28885; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28872; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.8]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990304052059.CDKG10561@oemcomputer>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <36DE1837.774E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:20:56 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Endicott CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies References: <005301be65f0$51c56540$5932b4d1@johnendicott> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Endicott wrote: > > Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. The 770-1AU is pretty good. The 770-7AU thats the one with the hi res screen is SUPERB. I would think that the new 770-8AU with the hi res would be superb. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 02:28:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA23003 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04340; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:27:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04191; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04176; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.229.91.61] (helo=fever0.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ISWo-0000ll-00; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:26:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:48:00 +0000 To: Vincent Poy Cc: Barry Marks , Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List From: Nicolas FitzGerald Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 List-Unsubscribe: > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I absolutely agree! I remember one desktop machine I had a couple of yrs ago, on which I switched from 64 to 96Mb of ram. It had an early TX chipset on it. Before and after I added the extra ram, I was doing exstensive benchmarking in WinTune96 'cos it had very good comparative bar charts of all componnets & subsystemms performance results [I wasn't testing the memory particularly, but overall performance under various BUS speeds, when the absolute fastest was 75MHz] The ovarall performance fell between 25-40%, and it took me some time to figure it why. I left the extra mem in, as it ment a lot to me, as I used that machine only for Photoshop, where I alocated 80% of ram to Photoshop. I use a 760ED, but I never bothered to find out what chipset it uses, but I bet it's NOT a HX, as it's the only one I've ever heard associated with any laptop! -- Nicolas FitzGerald From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 03:00:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23184 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05432; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:59:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05279; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05266; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tigger (ppp130.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.130]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id BAA18015; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:59:11 -0600 (CST) From: "David Talkington" To: "David Goldman" , "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: RE: dictation software on the i series Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:57:34 -0600 Message-ID: <000301be6614$a9d15540$82d194ce@Tigger.prairienet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990303130128.00b95100@shell9.ba.best.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'll be very interested in how your dictation software performs ... and how much RAM it likes. (You'll certainly want to buy all you can afford.) I'm considering tinkering with ViaVoice on my 1720. Please post a followup if you have time. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldman [mailto:dgoldman@best.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:03 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: dictation software on the i series > > > At 12:00 PM 3/3/99 , Maryka wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I just got a Thinkpad i1410 (the only one that fit my student budget!) > >and I want to run Dragon Naturally Speaking for Corel Suite 8 on it. > >I've been told that the microphone needs a "boost", either through an > >adapter/converter especially made for Thinkpads, or an auxiliary power > >supply (the Andrea APS-100). The Dragon software came with a > >Corel-stamped microphone, so my question is this: is anyone else > >running this programme on their Thinkpad with the the Corel microphone, > >and if so, what are you using to boost the microphone power? I need to > >know which option to buy - the adapter or the auxiliary power supply. > > Here is a copy of an older post from me to this group that will probably > help you. > > At 08:22 PM 11/7/98 -0800, I wrote: > >I've got a brand new ThinkPad 380Z (PII-300, 96MB) that I've had for > >less than 2 full weeks. Today I tried doing some audio recording using > >the mike and speaker jacks on the side. The speaker jack works fine, > >but the mike jack seems to be slightly out of wack. > > > >If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the > speaker jack), > >then the external mike is TOTALLY DEAF! However, if I put the mike > >jack in all but the last 1/16" (or so), then the external > microphone seems > >to work just fine. Unfortunately, I have to fiddle with the jack > until I get it > >just right before I can start recording. > > Thanks to all who responded to this problem. I received the "Thinkpad > Mike adapter" from www.speechcontrol.com ($4.95 + shipping) and it > fixed the problem right away. > > Quick solutions and suggestions like the ones I received are what make > this mailing list / group SO helpful. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 08:48:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25337 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25573; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:46:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25394; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from falk.c2i.net (pop1.c2i.net [193.216.69.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25365; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from SPANGEN-B (mp-217-238-202.daxnet.no [193.217.238.202]) by falk.c2i.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19296 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:40:54 +0100 (MET) From: eyvind.spangen@c2i.net (Eyvind Spangen) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: 770ED DVD problem Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:45:35 GMT Message-ID: <36df8e26.653920@news1.c2i.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I insert a DVD movie and press the "play" button, I get an error message stating "MPEGVIDEO Device PTS Time Format Not Supported. Abort!" What is wrong this time? ES From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 12:02:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27372 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07266; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:00:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06959; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06910; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a289.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.163]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09187; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:59:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903041659.LAA09187@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a289.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.163] 209.198.81.163 Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:59:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:09:24 -0500 To: os2user@os2ss.com, hardware@os2ss.com (os2ss_hardware), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Copy Audio CDs with Thinkpad CD Drive? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone used a Thinkpad with a CD or DVD drive to copy audio CD tracks? --The question comes from learning that while all CD drives can play audio CDs, not all of them can copy tracks to other CDs. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 12:47:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27974 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10875; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:46:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10591; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10574; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA29557 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:46:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:46:44 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad feature request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm considering purchasing a ThinkPad for mostly work and some home use. I still use my 750P, but it's just too slow for anything but e-mail and linux nowadays. IBM's site has lots of information about new and old models, but it's hard to know which have the key features I'm looking for. In this case, this laptop will need to have the capability to field-swap hard drives for use at different customers sites. My 750P can do this, the 365XD cannot. It requires screws to be removed. While this is fine for home, it just will not do on site. Can someone give me a general rule about this? My hunch is this: - 750 or higher: Yes - 6xx: ? - 3xx: No - i1xxx: No Recommendations on particular models are welcome. Thanks, Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 14:17:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29406 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16780; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16558; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16545; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id LAA27526; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36DEDC1C.1C51DA23@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:16:44 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 760/765 series has no trouble swapping - the entire keyboard bezel lifts up to expose the innards and you can literally pick out the hard dirve with your hands. The 560 series is a no-no - you need a philips screwdriver to do anything at all. The 600 series can take a 2nd hard drive in the modular bay, but I don't know how hard it is to remove the primary drive. No idea about the 380/385 series or the i series. These are 3 spindle machines so my feeling is that it will be a pain to remove the hard drive. Benjamin Chris Schumann wrote: > > I'm considering purchasing a ThinkPad for mostly work and some home use. I > still use my 750P, but it's just too slow for anything but e-mail and > linux nowadays. > > IBM's site has lots of information about new and old models, but it's hard > to know which have the key features I'm looking for. In this case, this > laptop will need to have the capability to field-swap hard drives for use > at different customers sites. > > My 750P can do this, the 365XD cannot. It requires screws to be removed. > While this is fine for home, it just will not do on site. > > Can someone give me a general rule about this? My hunch is this: > > - 750 or higher: Yes > - 6xx: ? > - 3xx: No > - i1xxx: No > > Recommendations on particular models are welcome. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 14:42:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29769 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18698; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:38:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18422; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (ntserver.margi.com [208.223.140.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17970; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bryan (208.223.140.69) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 4 Mar 1999 11:32:37 -0800 Message-ID: <03d001be6674$969f14c0$458cdfd0@bryan> From: "Bryan Edwards" To: "John Endicott" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:24:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03CD_01BE6631.8852A1E0" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03CD_01BE6631.8852A1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I'll I know we dislike our ThinkPad list used as an advertisement forum. However, if you want to watch DVD on your Laptop you need to get on of these DVD-to-Go cards. I have enclosed a PDF file for everyone to review. Its ThinkPad proven and the performance is unbelievable...... so please take a look or visit the web site at www.margi.com Or if you have question please contact me Hope this doesn't offend anyone!! :-) Bryan -----Original Message----- From: John Endicott To: ThinkPad List Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: Watching DVD Movies >Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. I >recently read that the TP600E used software decoding and the resulting >picture was not very good. Do all ThinkPads use a software decoder and are >there other considerations that I should be taking into account. 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Mar 1999 15:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21009; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA04673 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:11:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA04643 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:11:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990304151056.00bb8340@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:10:56 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request In-Reply-To: <36DEDC1C.1C51DA23@leland.stanford.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:16 AM 3/4/99 -0800, Benjamin Koh wrote: >The 600 series can take a 2nd hard drive in the modular bay, but I don't >know how hard it is to remove the primary drive. > If both drives are already in a bracket, all you have to do is remove one screw from the bottom of the TP case, pop off the drive bay cover, pull out one drive, pop in another and replace the cover and screw. If you only have one bracket, then you have to mess with 4 teeny-tiny screws (hint - make sure each drive has its own bracket - DAMHIKT). I'm not sure how it would do if you just left the one screw out since it goes through and into the drive bracket. Does anyone know if the drive could wiggle enough to disconnect if the screw isn't there? Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 16:11:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03106 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24982; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:09:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24750; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24718; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA11359; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:08:42 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA15278; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:08:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: Chris Schumann cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > - 750 or higher: Yes > - 6xx: ? > - 3xx: No > - i1xxx: No i17xx series and 390 have Ultrabay for 2nd HD. I don't know whether you can hot-swap, but certainly, cold-boot should work. The primary HD is easy to remove, also (one screw to take the whole unit out). Yong Whang From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 16:14:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03197 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25372; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:13:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25174; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25094; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA03860; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:12:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA28451; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:12:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpads on sale at ValueAmerica In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: ValueAmerica had a big ad in the local newspaper for their ThinkPad sale. Thinkpad 390 is $1499 (Pentium 233 MMX model), and it comes with Targus carry-case. So this is about $200 less than what I paid in early January. They showed other Thinkpads also (770???). Yong Whang From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 17:05:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04006 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29502; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:04:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29281; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from kitts.u.arizona.edu (kitts.U.Arizona.EDU [128.196.137.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29253; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by kitts.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19786 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <19990304150400.A27790@kitts.u.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:04:00 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies References: <000801be65f2$a2cd3100$9f76c697@classa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.5 In-Reply-To: <000801be65f2$a2cd3100$9f76c697@classa>; from Don on Wed, Mar 03, 1999 at 10:53:57PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: I have used software and hardware decoding on 770X (model 7AU). Hardware decoding is a roughly $225 option (should be standard in my opinion). I strongly prefer the hardware decoding, especially if I'm running other processes at the same time. In either case, the main limitation is the DVD player software, which appears to be quite buggy and only offers extremely crude controls. By buggy I mean that it only sporadically recognizes some dvd's as such, and that the fast forward and rewind often fail, meaning that I can only start a movie at chapter breaks rather than being able to restart in the middle. The pause button often fails as well. Even pausing for a few seconds may sometimes result in having to restart the movie from the nearest chapter break. By crude, I mean that shuttle jog, frame-by-frame, or any other features found on even the cheapest home dvd player are absent. I assumed that the hardware option would solve this (that it would come with a new interface) since it may be unreasonable to expect these features for mpeg2 software decoding. Unfortunately, the hardware only offered a performance improvement (fewer artifacts), and connections to a tv (which are nice---the tv displays brighter colors than the built-in screen and a tv that accepts s-video in displays a much higher resolution than otherwise). It supposedly also offers AC-3 sound, but I don't have a way to test that. The software vendor, Mediamatics, shows a screenshot of a much more sophisticated looking player (more controls) on their website. ... regarding a message from Don on Mar 03: > The 770ED uses hardware for decoding and I find the piture to be very clear > on both the LCD and TV. (you can watch on both simultaneously if you want). > With the 770X 300Mhz and above IBM stoped using the decoder and went with > straight software decoding since the processor 'theoretically' should be > fast enough to handle software decoding. They do offer an optional hardware > decoder though. I also read that playback only by software is not quite as > good. I do not know about the 600 series. > > Don > -----Original Message----- > From: John Endicott > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:42 PM > Subject: Watching DVD Movies > > > >Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. I > >recently read that the TP600E used software decoding and the resulting > >picture was not very good. Do all ThinkPads use a software decoder and are > >there other considerations that I should be taking into account. Thanks. > > > > > > > -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 17:07:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04052 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29713; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:07:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29623; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ux9.cso.uiuc.edu (root@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29610; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigman (crh4210.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.197.99]) by ux9.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29850 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:07:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002101be668b$2eb5b460$63c57e82@bigman> From: "George Neurauter" To: Subject: I Series memory caching (long) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:05:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: With all the recent posts about Pentium chipsets RAM caching, I thought I would report on my i1410 tests with 96MB vs. 64MB. The ALi Aladdin IV chipset depends on the TAG SRAM for its memory caching ability and I couldn't find anything on it. So, here are my results: 64 MB: CPU integer: 577.2255 MIPS CPU Floating Point: 307.8964 MFLOPS Video (2d): 23.74497 MPixels/s Direct3D: 13.21374 MPixels/s OpenGL: 3.791722 MPixels/s Memory (the big test): **222.5864 MB/s** Cached Disk: 35.32819 MB/s Uncached Disk: 5.85789 MB/s 96 MB: CPU integer: 575.6566 MIPS CPU Floating Point: 306.6785 MFLOPS Video (2d): 23.30647 MPixels/s Direct3D: 13.11351 MPixels/s OpenGL: 3.817551 MPixels/s Memory (the big test): **212.9727 MB/s** Cached Disk: 33.605 MB/s Uncached Disk: 1.063661 MB/s As you can see, 64MB was tops in everything except OpenGL. I also ran a frames/sec test with Quake 2: 64MB: 320x240: 20.6 - 21.0 fps 640x480: 9.0 - 9.6 fps 96MB: 320x240: 19.0 fps 640x480: 8.9 - 9.0 fps So, the data shows that only 64MB gets cached. However, I think that 96MB doesn't use as much HD swapping. I have Visual Studio 6 so I will probably need that extra 32MB whether it's cached or uncached. Hopefully, this will help someone who has a 1400 series to how much RAM they want to add. George Neurauter neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 17:31:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04398 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01282; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:29:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01113; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01099; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.130]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990304222911.MWMT22271@770>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:29:11 +0000 Message-ID: <36DF0909.52F7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:28:25 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Edwards CC: John Endicott , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies References: <03d001be6674$969f14c0$458cdfd0@bryan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Please don't do this! It took me 10 minutes to retrieve my mail!!!!! BTW, the Margi card is super on a 770ED Bryan Edwards wrote: > > All, > I'll I know we dislike our ThinkPad list used as an advertisement forum. > However, if you want to watch DVD on your Laptop you need to get on of these > DVD-to-Go cards. I have enclosed a PDF file for everyone to review. Its > ThinkPad proven and the performance is unbelievable...... so please take a > look or visit the web site at www.margi.com Or if you have question please > contact me > Hope this doesn't offend anyone!! :-) > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Endicott > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:50 PM > Subject: Watching DVD Movies > > >Would I be able to watch a DVD movie with any of the current ThinkPads. I > >recently read that the TP600E used software decoding and the resulting > >picture was not very good. Do all ThinkPads use a software decoder and are > >there other considerations that I should be taking into account. Thanks. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: DVD-to-Go.pdf > Part 1.2 Type: Acrobat (application/pdf) > Encoding: base64 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 17:46:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04626 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02420; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:45:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02286; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from benjamin.lisco.com (root@ns4.lisco.com [206.26.90.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02228; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from edson.lisco.com (fairfield-64.lisco.net [208.129.50.64]) by benjamin.lisco.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA20097; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:43:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <020901be6690$44de5da0$033281d0@edson.lisco.com> Reply-To: "D. Edson" From: "D. Edson" To: "Brian Button" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: (770X) Looking for good traveling case Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:42:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Brian: I have the Port briefcase made for the 770 - and I have found it to be a very well thought out and built case. They must have listened to the wants and needs of customers in what makes for a good travel case for a laptop, as its many extra compartments and internal pockets cover all areas of use. It has a look and feel of leather - it is an attractive case. The storage compartment for the computer has a rigid frame and air suspension bags around the periphery. If you are ever forced to check it during travel, the TP has a chance of survival. Also it provides great protection in traveling as all walls have foam padding protecting the other accessories and the internal TP which is several layers away from the sides. The cost of the case, about $119.00 - 129.00 is very reasonable after you look at competing models. One of the internal pockets across the top of an internal compartment is a zippered mesh like pocket that I find extremely useful, as it saves you from digging around in the bottom of the case for an accessory like a phone plug or cable. The front has a nice area for storage of pens keys and address books etc - access to it is through a zippered flap that folds down half way to allow better access. Negatives: It is more a piece of luggage than a briefcase. For everyday use back and forth to the office I find it too large and heavy. I think it must weigh 6 pounds - with the 770 and accessories the combination is close to 18 pounds. (I have not put it on a scale...) I am still looking for a light but protective case that has more of a snug fit for my daily use. I must say to their credit, that the caring strap is well designed with a contoured leather pad for the shoulder, which you need as it is sooo heavy. The case handle also is the best I've used - again a good thing due to the weight. Bottom line: If you are on the road a lot, this case does it all - at a price of weight and size. Attractive, very functional, well built, lifetime guarantee - (what ever that may mean,,,) and outstanding computer protection. I have used the case daily for several months, including a few long distant trips. For everyday use it is too big and heavy, for travel where you want it all, and protection, it can't be beat. Oh, I don't have any connection to Port They have a web site at: http://www.port.com/ Hope this helps. Ciao! David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 18:27:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05310 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05093; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04656; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (ntserver.margi.com [208.223.140.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04613; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from bryan (208.223.140.69) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for tp750@cs.utk.edu; 4 Mar 1999 15:33:00 -0800 Message-ID: <36ACB95A00004E25@ntserver.margi.com> (added by ntserver.margi.com) From: "Bryan Edwards" Subject: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE6653.2B911640-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 18:39:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05486 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06087; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:38:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05895; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05879; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19245 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA15454; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) References: <36ACB95A00004E25@ntserver.margi.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 04 Mar 1999 18:38:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Bryan Edwards"'s message of "Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:24:37 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Bryan Edwards" writes: > begin 644 Happy99.exe Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search engines. Bryan: I highly recommend you get some virus protection software soon. Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 18:47:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05620 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06669; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:47:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06562; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06539; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:46:53 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10IhpF-00053e-00 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:46:45 +0000 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:46:06 GMT Message-ID: <36e21af3.2591187@post.demon.co.uk> References: <36ACB95A00004E25@ntserver.margi.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On 04 Mar 1999 18:38:03 -0500, you wrote: >"Bryan Edwards" writes: > >> begin 644 Happy99.exe > >Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search >engines. > >Bryan: I highly recommend you get some virus protection software soon. > > Peace, > dNb=20 > > =46or more information, please see: http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/w32ska.htm AVERT - A Division of NAI Labs Virus Name: W32/Ska (a.k.a. Happy99.exe) This page last updated 2/1/99 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- =20 W32/Ska is a worm that was first posted to several newsgroups and has been reported to several of the AVERT Labs locations worldwide. When this worm is run it displays a message "Happy New Year 1999!!" and displays "fireworks" graphics. The posting on the newsgroups has lead to its propagation. It can also spread on its own, as it can attached itself to a mail message and be sent unknowingly by a user. Because of this attribute it is also considered to be a worm. AVERT cautions all users who may receive the attachment via email to simply delete the mail and the attachment.=20 The worm infects a system via email delivery and arrives as an attachment called Happy99.EXE. It is sent unknowingly by a user. When the program is run it deploys its payload displaying fireworks on the users monitor.=20 Note: At this time no destructive payload has been discovered. When the Happy.EXE is run it copies itself to Windows\System folder under the name SKA.EXE. It then extracts, from within itself, a DLL called SKA.DLL into the Windows\System folder if one does not already exist.=20 Note: Though the SKA.EXE file file is a copy of the original it does not run as the Happy.EXE files does, so it does not copy itself again, nor does it display the fireworks on the users monitor. The worm then checks for the existence of WSOCK32.SKA in the Windows\System folder, if it does not exist and a the file WSOCK32.DLL does exist, it copies the WSOCK32.DLL to WSOCK32.SKA. The worm then creates the registry entry - HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce\Ska.= exe=3D"Ska.exe" - which will execute SKA.EXE the next time the system is restarted. When this happens the worm patches WSOCK32.DLL and adds hooks to the exported functions EnumProtocolsW and WSAAsyncGetProtocolByName.=20 The patched code calls two exported functions in SKA.DLL called mail and news, these functions allow the worm to attach itself to SMTP e-mail and also to any postings to newsgroups the user makes. Cleaning To eliminate the worm from your system, a 'stand alone utility' is available (RMSKA). (it assures clean handline of SKA.EXE deletion & rename of WSOCK32.SKA to WSOCK32.DLL,=20 AVERT has made detection for the worm available for all Network Associates VirusScan products. Please chose from the link below to download the product you need. Click here for McAfee VirusScan 3 (hrlydats). Click here for McAfee VirusScan 4 (extra dat). Click here for Dr Solomon=92s AVTK (extra driver). Click here for Dr Solomon=92s VirusScan 4 (extra dat). AVERT A Division of NAI Labs =20 =A9 1999, Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated Companies. All Rights Reserved.=20 See also: http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/ska.htm NAME: Win32/Ska.A=20 ALIAS: Happy99, WSOCK32.SKA, SKA.EXE, I-Worm.Happy, PE_SKA=20 SIZE: 10000=20 Win32/Ska.A is a Win32-based e-mail and newsgroup worm. It displays fireworks when executed first time as Happy99.exe. (Normally this file arrives as an e-mail attachment to a particular PC, or it is downloaded from a newsgroup.)=20 When executed first time, it creates SKA.EXE and SKA.DLL in the system directory. SKA.EXE is a copy of HAPPY99.EXE. SKA.DLL is packed inside SKA.EXE. After this Ska creates a copy of WSOCK32.DLL as WSOCK32.SKA in the system directory. Then it tries to patch WSOCK32.DLL so that its export entries for two functions will point to new routines (to the worm's own functions) inside the patched WSOCK32.DLL. If WSOCK32.DLL is in use, Ska.A modifies the registry's RunOnce entry to execute SKA.EXE during next boot-up. (When executed as SKA.EXE it does not display the firework, just tries to patch WSCOK32.DLL until it is not used.)=20 "Connect" and "Send" exports are patched in WSOCK32.DLL. Thus the worm is able to see if the local user has any activity on network. When "Connect" or "Send" APIs are called, Ska loads its SKA.DLL containing two exports: "news" and "mail".=20 Then it spams itself to the same newsgroups or same e-mail addresses where the user was posting or mailing to. It maps SKA.EXE to memory and converts it to uuencoded format and mails an additional e-mail or newsgroup post with the same header information as the original message but containing no text but just an attachment called Happy99.exe.=20 Therefore Happy99 is not limited like the Win32/Parvo virus which is unable to use a particular news server when the user does not have access to it. The worm also maintains a list of addresses it has posted a copy of itself. This is stored in a file called LISTE.SKA. (The number of entries are limited in this file.)=20 The worm contains the following encrytped text which is not displayed: Is it a virus, a worm, a trojan?=20 MOUT-MOUT Hybrid (c) Spanska 1999.=20 The mail header of the manipulated mails will contain a new field called "X-Spanska: YES". Normally this header field is not visible to receivers of the message.=20 Since the worm does not check WSOCK32.DLL's attribute, it can not patch it if it is set to read only.=20 [Analysis: Peter Szor, Data Fellows]=20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 18:50:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05665 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07042; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:49:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06910; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06810; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA22142; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:50:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: (David N. Blank-Edelman) Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: On 04-Mar-99 David N. Blank-Edelman extemporized: > "Bryan Edwards" writes: >=20 >> begin 644 Happy99.exe >=20 > Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more > information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search > engines. >=20 Sometimes you just gotta love linux ;^) S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 04-Mar-99 Time: 15:49:43 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 19:56:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06306 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10277; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:54:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10134; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10108; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-199.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.199]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17337 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:54:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903050054.QAA17337@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:54:34 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <36DD725E.126FDD95@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 701 modem under Win95 X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: On 03/03/99 Bill Morrow said: >Vicky.. >run the tests in easy setup, >reload the drivers.. >check your IRQ's.. >it should work fine.. slow, but fine.. :-) Thanks Bill, but it doesn't. Easy setup? If I run the modem diagnostics test after a cold boot it runs OK. I do get ERROR for ATI4,5,6&7 but have no clue what that means or if it really indicates a problem. Maybe someone with a 701 could try it and see what you get. The *first* time after a cold boot that I try to connect it will dial, connect and immediately hang up. After that, I get no dial tone in any program or operating system and it can't even run the diagnostics until I do another power off cold boot. Under OS/2, I can dial, connect, hangup, redial, connect as many times as I want. Also, I can dial from hyper terminal under Win95 and that seems to work, until I try Dial-Up Networking. >In , on 03/03/99 at 09:34 AM, > jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) said: >>This should be a 701 FAQ. >>I had the same problem, and an IBM technician gave me the >>following init string >>(My Computer / Control Panel / System Properties / Modem / Internal / >>Properties / Connection / Advanced / Extra Settings ! ) >>ATE1Q0M1V1X4&C1&D2&N0&Q6%E1 S7=60 S11=55 &S1 Thank you ever so much, but this did not work either. Something seems to be getting stuck, under Win95, that only powering off will clear. I made a new connection item in case the old one was corrupted but there was no difference. I don't know much about Win95, but the modem works flawlessly under OS/2 so I don't think there is anything physically wrong with it. Any other ideas? I'd really like to get this working. Vicky -- >Vicky Stables wrote: >> My 701 connects fine under OS/2, but under Win95 it hangs up as soon as it >> makes the connection. My desktop machine connects fine with both operating >> systems using the same settings, except of course for the modem type. >> Short of using a different modem, is there any way to correct this? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 20:21:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06487 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12070; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:20:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11976; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11962; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:20:42 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Bryan Edwards" CC: Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:22:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01be66a6$a2c24ec0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: NEVER EVER DO THAT AGAIN !!!!!! Bryan , I'm sure I'm not the first one to tell you this, but you never send a unsolicited attachment to a mailing list . Especially one that large .(563KB ) ..peter.. So; do we now all get deals on the margi? ;-] -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Edwards To: John Endicott ; ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies >All, >I'll I know we dislike our ThinkPad list used as an advertisement forum. >However, if you want to watch DVD on your Laptop you need to get on of these >DVD-to-Go cards. I have enclosed a PDF file for everyone to review. Its >ThinkPad proven and the performance is unbelievable...... so please take a >look or visit the web site at www.margi.com Or if you have question please >contact me >Hope this doesn't offend anyone!! :-) > >Bryan > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 20:47:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06756 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13433; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:46:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13262; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13247; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.113.88.126]) by mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990305014620.EJUK11952.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:46:20 -0800 Message-ID: <36DF376B.92D560BD@home.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:46:19 -0800 From: Maryka Reply-To: maryka@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad list Subject: i1410 memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but my 1410 is my first laptop. I want to buy an extra 32mg RAM for it, but I'm not sure if I have to buy the official IMB memory or if I can use a cheaper kind instead. Of course, IBM recommends using only their products. Apparently, Kingston makes one that fits, but I'm not sure about any other brand names. Advice? Maryka From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 21:45:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07591 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16109; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:44:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15958; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from phoenix.bcl.net (IDENT:root@phoenix.bcl.net [204.248.93.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15942; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcl.net (qui1-114.dialup.accessus.net [207.206.188.114]) by phoenix.bcl.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27547 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:44:01 -0600 Message-ID: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:43:50 -0600 From: "Dennis E. Go, MD" Reply-To: drgo@bcl.net Organization: Quincy Medical Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Value America's TP770 References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------78B10CADF4061B3A7228A40C" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78B10CADF4061B3A7228A40C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in the market for a new Thinkpad. Value America (va.com) is selling a low-end 770 (P233, 32 meg, 4 gig) for $1800. Instead of a CD, it includes a DVD drive. Is this a good deal? Can one play DVD's on this configuration decently without the optional $400 video upgrade? Thanks. Dennis E. Go, MD Quincy Medical Group --------------78B10CADF4061B3A7228A40C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="drgo.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Dennis E. Go, MD Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="drgo.vcf" begin:vcard n:Go;Dennis x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Quincy Medical Group adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:drgo@bcl.net x-mozilla-cpt:;-11056 fn:Dennis Go end:vcard --------------78B10CADF4061B3A7228A40C-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 22:37:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08223 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19132; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:36:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18981; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18968; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad-1721i (user-37ka73d.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.28.109]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26213; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:36:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <039a01be66b9$3efcf260$6d1c45cf@thinkpad-1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Barry Marks" , , Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:35:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I've used Norton's WinDoctor and Otimization Wizard on Win95 and Win98 with excellent results. WinDoctor cleaned-up 1.5 MB of a 6 MB registry that had not been cleaned in 4 years. The Optimization Wizard then squeezed out 1.5 MB of unused space. Both programs are easy to use, clearly explain what is being cleaned, and allow you to easily undo any changes. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Barry Marks To: raybay@cia-g.com ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? >Thanks for that url. I have regclean and I've used it for a long time. I >also have VC++ 6.0 which is really visual studio with just the C++ compiler. >I wonder if it'll cause me problems. > >I'm downloading the one you pointed to in case it's more recent than the one >I have. > >Barry > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray Bay >To: Barry Marks ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:54 AM >Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? > > >>RegClean.exe is a very difficult file to find these days... Microsoft >>stopped pushing it after having problems with it and Visual Studio 97 and >>other programs. It is not under the regular download section and doesn't >>come up on most searches... hasn't done so since last July. >> >>But I find it a handy program for lost of things. It is used in Visual >>Basic 98 and Microsoft Project 98. >> >>You can find it for download along with thousands of other Microsoft things >>at >> >> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ >>I >>A useful manual is Registry for Dummies, and when used with Norton >>Utilities or other registry edit software, you can make some headway. >>had >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 23:18:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08853 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20920; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:17:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20710; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20689; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-189.islandnet.com [139.142.112.189] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10Im2c-000KuFC for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:00:29 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The old 701 requires no screws to be removed, but I've never been able to swap HDs without loosening the battery--albeit a minor inconvenience. IBM does use TORX (5-pointed star) screws on some drive caddies. So if you're struggling with a Phillips, be happy that it isn't more inconvenient ! In article , Yong Whang wrote: : : :> - 750 or higher: Yes :> - 6xx: ? :> - 3xx: No :> - i1xxx: No : :i17xx series and 390 have Ultrabay for 2nd HD. :I don't know whether you can hot-swap, but certainly, :cold-boot should work. The primary HD is easy to :remove, also (one screw to take the whole unit out). : :Yong Whang : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 23:30:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09013 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21603; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:30:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21498; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21485; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from theriver.com (a32.pm3-33.theriver.com [206.30.150.96]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25672; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:29:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36DF5D26.38BC6A47@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:27:18 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) References: <36ACB95A00004E25@ntserver.margi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Definately. Delete that message immediately. DO NOT LET IT LINGER ON YOUR SYSTEM! James David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: > > "Bryan Edwards" writes: > > > begin 644 Happy99.exe > > Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more > information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search > engines. > > Bryan: I highly recommend you get some virus protection software soon. > > Peace, > dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 23:35:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09069 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22005; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:35:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21912; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21884; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:34:19 -0500 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from atreyu (dd55-075.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.185.75]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id XAA28955; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:33:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990304232840.008c6630@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:28:40 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies Cc: Bryan Edwards In-Reply-To: <36DF0909.52F7@worldnet.att.net> References: <03d001be6674$969f14c0$458cdfd0@bryan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 05:28 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >BTW, the Margi card is super on a 770ED Hmm. I'm confused. I have a 770ED. It came with a DVD drive and a card built into the left side that I thought was handling DVD video. I've played a DVD or two on it, and it seemed to be giving pretty reasonable reproduction. I haven't yet tried hooking it up to a TV, though. The Margi card says that it requires a "Zoomed Video (ZV) Enabled" PCMCIA card capability. Does the 770ED have this capability? I don't recall ever having read anything about ZV. The data sheet mentions that it works under NT 5.0. This is interesting in that the DVD code that came with the system does not seem to support NT. It is also interesting in that NT 5.0 has not yet been released. Hmm. Beyond all that, a more fundamental question is, "What would this card actually do for me, with a 770ED?" Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNt9ddW8pw+2/9pUJEQIgVQCggLHPfelUHs2jsmsqSQ0X/Wq36LQAoNLp YSNsJDheRn0wt6F3El9a3xnp =bLab -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 23:56:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09331 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23213; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:55:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23097; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23083; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-30.gate.net [199.227.131.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA187962 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <36DF6388.6EE98534@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:54:32 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Who is Bryan Edwards and what is GOING ON with DANGER DANGER ?? References: <03d001be6674$969f14c0$458cdfd0@bryan> <3.0.5.32.19990304232840.008c6630@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 4 23:58:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09363 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23534; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:57:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23403; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23380; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-30.gate.net [199.227.131.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA269834; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: <36DF641B.F8CC9962@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:56:59 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drgo@bcl.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Value America's TP770 References: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dennis.. Dennis E. Go, MD wrote: > I am in the market for a new Thinkpad. Value America (va.com) is selling > a low-end 770 (P233, 32 meg, 4 gig) for $1800. Instead of a CD, it > includes a DVD drive. Is this a good deal? maybe so, maybe not..VA is not in business for their health.. > Can one play DVD's on this > configuration decently without the optional $400 video upgrade? > no.. you'll need the enhanced video adapter.. > Thanks. > > Dennis E. Go, MD > Quincy Medical Group > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Dennis Go > Quincy Medical Group > > Dennis Go > Quincy Medical Group > HTML Mail > Netscape Conference Address > Additional Information: > Last Name Go > First Name Dennis > Version 2.1 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 01:58:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10455 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29478; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:57:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29356; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29312; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-33.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.33]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02596 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:55:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990305015818.0148b71c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:58:18 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: 770x vs. 770ED (AKA 13.7" vs. 14.1") In-Reply-To: <36DF641B.F8CC9962@icanect.net> References: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: We currently have a smattering of 770's. We may potentially get a few 770x's (7AU's, 13.7"). One complaint is the larger size of the upper case to accomodate the larger TFT. Does the 7AU and the smaller screen have a normal upper casing size that matches the lower case? (Ala 770's with 13.3" TFTs). Any real differences between the 770ED and the 770X (besides the resolution which would make our developers cackle with delight including moi)? thanks. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 02:43:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10907 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01469; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:42:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01330; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01309; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pb2261 (pb2261.rec.uhb.fr [193.52.67.75]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id IAA24168 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:41:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36E009A8.1CC3@uhb.fr> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:43:20 -0800 From: Sylvestre MEININGER Reply-To: Sylvestre.meininger@Uhb.Fr Organization: Universite Rennes 2 - France X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: multiple region code software, please References: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> <36DF641B.F8CC9962@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Sorry about this, I know the subject was discussed here a few months ago... Does anyone know where can I find software to read different region code DVD on my TP770ED ? I think the name of the thing was something like "tpdvdreg"... To anyone who may help, thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 03:29:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11220 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04089; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:28:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03968; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03918; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02439 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 5 Mar 99 09:26:49 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 5 Mar 99 09:26:36 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.81) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 5 Mar 99 09:26:35 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:29:05 -0100 Message-Id: <199903050929.0541265.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:27:01 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:50:23 -0800 (PST), Steven Filling wrote: >On 04-Mar-99 David N. Blank-Edelman extemporized: >> "Bryan Edwards" writes: >> >>> begin 644 Happy99.exe >> >> Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >> information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search >> engines. >> > >Sometimes you just gotta love linux ;^) Oh yes. I love my OS/2 :) Happy virusscanning to all... (Sorry, couldn't resist.) -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 03:44:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11296 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04800; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:44:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04640; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (home.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04623; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04263; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:44:24 +0300 (EET) Message-Id: <199903050744.KAA04263@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "(David N. Blank-Edelman)" , "Steven Filling" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:42:08 -0200 (IZM) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:50:23 -0800 (PST), Steven Filling wrote: >>> begin 644 Happy99.exe >> Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >Sometimes you just gotta love linux ;^) Hey, I love my OS/2 every day! - -turgut - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNt/RIDJjYwErN0xZAQE4vQP9FH//EXmVrmy2igLaMO/CZi6x2ozUkxqH qVcnuZ7sbsruzZ6cRvr5NqxUole/aDN01anacXx3LB4PHVa1KS4jOcZGWa29r6r0 KyeCg7i/6xTwT04aXyRu7XAI91INR7Gn9NR8cmSE7jMNNAJAgYAm4AdNY3CsNFet Elczodo56gc= =k22X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 014: Nonexsisent error. This cannot really be happening. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 08:05:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12808 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20037; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:03:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19902; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19887; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from oma.com (pool-209-138-14-225.ipls.grid.net [209.138.14.225]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03630; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:02:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36DFD5DC.2C91C38C@oma.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:02:20 -0600 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D. Edson" CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: (770X) Looking for good traveling case References: <020901be6690$44de5da0$033281d0@edson.lisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to everyone for the answers on the best case for my laptop. I ordered the Port Deluxe last week, and I like it. I haven't had the occaision to travel yet, but I'm sure it will be exactly what I want. Thanks again, bab "D. Edson" wrote: > > Brian: > > I have the Port briefcase made for the 770 - and I have found it to be a > very well thought out and built case. They must have listened to the wants > and needs of customers in what makes for a good travel case for a laptop, > as its many extra compartments and internal pockets cover all areas of use. > It has a look and feel of leather - it is an attractive case. The storage > compartment for the computer has a rigid frame and air suspension bags > around the periphery. If you are ever forced to check it during travel, > the TP has a chance of survival. Also it provides great protection in > traveling as all walls have foam padding protecting the other accessories > and the internal TP which is several layers away from the sides. The cost > of the case, about $119.00 - 129.00 is very reasonable after you look at > competing models. One of the internal pockets across the top of an > internal compartment is a zippered mesh like pocket that I find extremely > useful, as it saves you from digging around in the bottom of the case for an > accessory like a phone plug or cable. The front has a nice area for storage > of pens keys and address books etc - access to it is through a zippered flap > that folds down half way to allow better access. > > Negatives: It is more a piece of luggage than a briefcase. For everyday > use back and forth to the office I find it too large and heavy. I think it > must weigh 6 pounds - with the 770 and accessories the combination is close > to 18 pounds. (I have not put it on a scale...) I am still looking for a > light but protective case that has more of a snug fit for my daily use. I > must say to their credit, that the caring strap is well designed with a > contoured leather pad for the shoulder, which you need as it is sooo heavy. > The case handle also is the best I've used - again a good thing due to the > weight. > > Bottom line: If you are on the road a lot, this case does it all - at a > price of weight and size. Attractive, very functional, well built, > lifetime guarantee - (what ever that may mean,,,) and outstanding computer > protection. I have used the case daily for several months, including a few > long distant trips. For everyday use it is too big and heavy, for travel > where you want it all, and protection, it can't be beat. > > Oh, I don't have any connection to Port > > They have a web site at: > > http://www.port.com/ > > Hope this helps. > > Ciao! > David -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE66DE.F3BBDA20-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 09:26:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13481 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23611; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:24:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23387; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23374; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA17360; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:25:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:25:22 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann Reply-To: Chris Schumann To: Yong Whang cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the info from all of you so far. I don't need hot swap (as of yet, anyway), but I will need to change the boot drive without a screwdriver, so it looks like the two options mentioned won't do the trick. So it looks like I'll have to stick to the 700 series. When did IBM's support for NT on ThinkPad's go into high gear? Do the new ones support APM and such? What's the oldest model to do this? I forgot to mention the 500 series, but I don't think that allows for "user-changeable" drives without tools. On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > - 750 or higher: Yes > > - 6xx: ? > > - 3xx: No > > - i1xxx: No > > i17xx series and 390 have Ultrabay for 2nd HD. > I don't know whether you can hot-swap, but certainly, > cold-boot should work. The primary HD is easy to > remove, also (one screw to take the whole unit out). > > Yong Whang > > Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 10:22:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14083 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27527; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:21:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27395; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27382; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.212]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990305152059.GWDC15087@oemcomputer>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <36DFF659.39B8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:20:57 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770x vs. 770ED (AKA 13.7" vs. 14.1") References: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> <3.0.1.32.19990305015818.0148b71c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 770 case sizes are all the same. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 10:59:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14471 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29790; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:57:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29628; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (ntserver.margi.com [208.223.140.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29595; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bryan (208.223.140.69) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 5 Mar 1999 08:05:51 -0800 Message-ID: <007a01bbf83b$ca89ad80$458cdfd0@bryan> From: "Bryan Edwards" To: , "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:30:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hi James, Thank you. The Danger Danger email was sent out under the guise I sent it by Jerry Cudmore (jerryrs@pobox.com) because of a mistake I committed by sending the wrong attachment. I think that it was totally uncalled for and not very cool at all. But it goes to show the lengths some people will go and the kind of people who lurk in our community. If this effected anyone I am truly sorry. If any one on the list is interested in any Margi products because of this please let me know and I will make amends through a substantial discount on any of the products we offer. Please contact me directly either via email or toll free 888.656.2744..22 I hope in some small way this can help! once again I hope no one was effected by this........ Regards, Bryan Bryan Edwards Margi Systems phone: 510.657.4435..22 e-mail: bedwards@margi.com -----Original Message----- From: James J Mckenzie To: David N. Blank-Edelman Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) >Definately. Delete that message immediately. DO NOT LET IT LINGER ON >YOUR SYSTEM! > >James > >David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >> >> "Bryan Edwards" writes: >> >> > begin 644 Happy99.exe >> >> Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >> information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search >> engines. >> >> Bryan: I highly recommend you get some virus protection software soon. >> >> Peace, >> dNb > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 12:06:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15397 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04284; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:04:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03964; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03936; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14458 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:03:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA29351 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:03:39 GMT Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE66FF.916324C0@ntmail.doble.com>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Bryan Edwards'" Subject: RE: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:59:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Bryan Edwards machine is infected by the Happy99 worm. DO NOT EXECUTE HAPPY99.EXE. Delete the message. Nothing will happen to you machine as long as you do not execute the happy99.exe file. If executed this program will modify windows95/NT so it can send out copies of HAPPY99.EXE to people you email. If you have SKA.EXE on you machine you have it and need to clean it off. I forget how to clean it up but information should be on the virus web sites. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >---------- >From: Bryan Edwards[SMTP:bedwards@margi.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:25 PM >To: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! > ><> >Sorry everyone!!!!! Please for give me I sent the wrong email....... > >Bryan > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 12:19:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15546 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06039; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:17:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05881; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05816; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00845 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02561 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:17:15 GMT Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE6701.99BED040@ntmail.doble.com>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'os2support@theriver.com'" , "'David N. Blank-Edelman'" , "'Bryan Edwards'" Cc: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:13:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, The problem is not the .PDF attachment Bryan Edwards sent. The problem is Bryan Edwards' computer is infected by the HAPPY99.EXE worm. This caused his system to send another message to the thinkpad list with a attachment of HAPPY99.EXE. This is how this worm spreads. Do not execute HAPPY99.EXE. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >---------- >From: Bryan Edwards[SMTP:bedwards@margi.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 6:30 PM >To: os2support@theriver.com; David N. Blank-Edelman >Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) >Importance: High > >Hi James, >Thank you. >The Danger Danger email was sent out under the guise I sent it by Jerry >Cudmore (jerryrs@pobox.com) because of a mistake I committed by sending the >wrong attachment. I think that it was totally uncalled for and not very cool >at all. But it goes to show the lengths some people will go and the kind of >people who lurk in our community. If this effected anyone I am truly sorry. > >If any one on the list is interested in any Margi products because of this >please let me know and I will make amends through a substantial discount on >any of the products we offer. Please contact me directly either via email or >toll free 888.656.2744..22 >I hope in some small way this can help! once again I hope no one was >effected by this........ > >Regards, >Bryan > >Bryan Edwards >Margi Systems >phone: 510.657.4435..22 >e-mail: bedwards@margi.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: James J Mckenzie >To: David N. Blank-Edelman >Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 8:39 PM >Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) > > >>Definately. Delete that message immediately. DO NOT LET IT LINGER ON >>YOUR SYSTEM! >> >>James >> >>David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >>> >>> "Bryan Edwards" writes: >>> >>> > begin 644 Happy99.exe >>> >>> Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >>> information, do a search on "happy99" on any of the standard search >>> engines. >>> >>> Bryan: I highly recommend you get some virus protection software soon. >>> >>> Peace, >>> dNb >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 12:42:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15844 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08801; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:41:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08653; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08573; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29479 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 1999 17:41:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkPad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 29467 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 17:41:20 -0000 Received: from dialupf211.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.86.211) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 1999 17:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <36E0177A.8A0D196D@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:42:18 -0800 From: Patrick West X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpads Thinkpad Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bryan Edwards wrote: (BTW Bry, check your clock; Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 6:30 PM) > >The Danger Danger email was sent out....because of a mistake I > >committed by sending the wrong attachment. I think that it was > >totally uncalled for and not very cool at all. Bryan, I don't think anyone is upset with you personally. This is simply the way this virus spreads. > >But it goes to show the lengths some people will go and the kind of > >people who lurk in our community. It does need to be shouted from the Rooftops as loudly as possible. If it is kept quiet someone will run it and have problems. > >If this effected anyone I am truly sorry. I deleted it as soon as it came in. However this virus is a major problem for for many. My wife came home from work, a local comm college, and told me the school computer lab and one of the networks were down due to this virus. (about 200 machines). -- Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp 4.0, NTW 4.0, & the HP200LX, PGP 2.x Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 13:15:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16305 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11443; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11079; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11038; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldhdj.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.179]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05572; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903051813.NAA05572@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 10:12:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:42:18 -0800, Patrick West wrote: >Bryan Edwards wrote: > (BTW Bry, check your clock; Sent: Wednesday, >January 01, 1997 6:30 PM) > > >> >The Danger Danger email was sent out....because of a mistake I >> >committed by sending the wrong attachment. I think that it was >> >totally uncalled for and not very cool at all. > >Bryan, > >I don't think anyone is upset with you >personally. This is simply the way >this virus spreads. > >> >But it goes to show the lengths some people will go and the kind of >> >people who lurk in our community. > >It does need to be shouted from the Rooftops as >loudly as possible. If it is >kept quiet someone will run it and have problems. > >> >If this effected anyone I am truly sorry. > >I deleted it as soon as it came in. However this >virus is a major problem for >for many. My wife came home from work, a local >comm college, and told me the >school computer lab and one of the networks were >down due to this virus. (about >200 machines). What's the big deal with this so called virus? Does this only affect DOS and Win32 machines? -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 13:15:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16306 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11441; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11052; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11029; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldhdj.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.179]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07220 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:13:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903051813.NAA07220@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 09:47:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CD-ROM for 760ED List-Unsubscribe: Well, I got IBM to send out a replacement CD-ROM for my machine, and instead of the 4X, I got a 20X. The Easy Setup tests test it okay, both for regular and advanced, and I have yet to check in OS/2. One problem I had is the drive doesn't quite fit in the bay too well. It's like it needs something below it so it can be elevated a little more to fully fit the slot. Is there a plastic piece I need so it will be level with the slot? Hopefully my description makes sense. TIA, -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 13:46:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16763 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13868; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:45:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13719; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13704; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA30361 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:44:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) In-Reply-To: <199903051813.NAA05572@smtp1.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > What's the big deal with this so called virus? Does this > only affect DOS and Win32 machines? Well, keeping with the terminology, it only uses DOS and Windows machines as a host, but uses the Internet as a transmission medium. It's a little different from other viruses in that it actively transmits itself via email or news (most viruses wait for you to unwittingly send an infected program to a friend). That's what gets this one classified as a worm. Because worms actively transmit themselves over the Internet, you do not have to have an infected computer to have your Internet usage affected. The most famous worm (usually called The Internet Worm) shut down the entire Internet from a few hours to several days in the late 80's (early 90's?) depending on how quick your local admins were able to respond and eradicate it. That one affected a wide variety of systems because it relied on a specific behavior of mail servers which had to be the same across OSes for them to exchange mail with each other. Basically, all the Internet servers and routers got so bogged down handling mail (which contained copies of the worm), that they weren't able to do anything else. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 14:09:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17114 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16513; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:07:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16303; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.insyte.com (snoopy.insyte.com [204.107.72.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16250; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailhost.insyte.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:07:10 -0500 Received: from kermit.insyte.com [204.107.72.150] by mailhost.insyte.com [204.107.72.1] (SLmail 3.2.3108) with SMTP id C39FA004D27311D2AE5B00AA00B1ACF1 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:07:10 -0500 Reply-To: From: "John Steele" To: "'Thinkpad List'" Subject: 701 Battery Problem Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007601be673b$8b8c1f20$96486bcc@kermit.insyte.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SLUIDL: AF0F67A3-D27311D2-AE5B00AA-00B1ACF1 List-Unsubscribe: In the process of refurbishing my 701 for my daughter I've found that one of the batteries, a NiMH unit, is apparantly "bad". The 701 thinks its fully charged when in fact it is dead. As a result the charging process won't kick in. Anyone know how to get the 701 to recognize that the battery is actually dead and start charging. I'm fairly certain the batty still has some life in it, even if as a backup. John +------------------------------ email: jsteele@insyte.com NetMeeting: kermit.insyte.com Telephone: +1.305.595.4845 Facsimile: +1.305.595.4983 +------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 14:56:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17788 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20536; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:54:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20308; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20269; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from me [205.130.17.18] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A65058D001AC; Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:53:52 EST Message-ID: <002b01be6741$f5d27c20$121182cd@here.com> From: "Slip" To: "Patrick West" , "Thinkpads Thinkpad" Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:54:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: I ran the program before getting the warning and had to remove it from my system. It's not hard, but you should take a look at this page before doing anything. Hope this helps. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 16:02:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18711 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24372; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:59:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24080; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24064; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad-1721i (user-37kaglt.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.66.189]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11344 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:59:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a201be674a$fd14eb40$bd4245cf@thinkpad-1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Subject: TP Port Replicator Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:58:54 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: The TP i1721 is my first laptop. What docking stations are available? IBM part # 46H4209 sells for about $150. Does it replicate all external ports, including audio, USB, etc.? Do any TP docking stations include the AC adapter? The IBM web page doesn't really say much. What I want is to easily connect the AC power, a modem cable, and external speakers several times a day. Thanks, Chuck From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 16:02:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18725 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24555; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:01:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24322; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24266; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic75.fbtc.net [204.2.11.75]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10523; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:01:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01b101be674a$c5756ac0$1823d2ab@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Chuck S." , , Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:57:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. I'll look into those programs. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Chuck S. To: Barry Marks ; raybay@cia-g.com ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? >I've used Norton's WinDoctor and Otimization Wizard on Win95 and Win98 with >excellent results. WinDoctor cleaned-up 1.5 MB of a 6 MB registry that had >not been cleaned in 4 years. The Optimization Wizard then squeezed out 1.5 >MB of unused space. Both programs are easy to use, clearly explain what is >being cleaned, and allow you to easily undo any changes. > >Chuck > >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Marks >To: raybay@cia-g.com ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? > > >>Thanks for that url. I have regclean and I've used it for a long time. I >>also have VC++ 6.0 which is really visual studio with just the C++ >compiler. >>I wonder if it'll cause me problems. >> >>I'm downloading the one you pointed to in case it's more recent than the >one >>I have. >> >>Barry >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ray Bay >>To: Barry Marks ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:54 AM >>Subject: Re: Any tips on cleaning out Win98 crud? >> >> >>>RegClean.exe is a very difficult file to find these days... Microsoft >>>stopped pushing it after having problems with it and Visual Studio 97 and >>>other programs. It is not under the regular download section and doesn't >>>come up on most searches... hasn't done so since last July. >>> >>>But I find it a handy program for lost of things. It is used in Visual >>>Basic 98 and Microsoft Project 98. >>> >>>You can find it for download along with thousands of other Microsoft >things >>>at >>> >>> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ >>>I >>>A useful manual is Registry for Dummies, and when used with Norton >>>Utilities or other registry edit software, you can make some headway. >>>had >>> >> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 16:40:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19172 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27072; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:38:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26830; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from agserv1.netzero.net ([209.14.79.124]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26771; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25709 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 21:38:50 -0000 Received: from pppa41-porthuron1-1r743.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.8.138.63) by 209.14.79.124 with SMTP; 5 Mar 1999 21:38:50 -0000 Message-ID: <004301be6750$6c0d2d00$3f8a0804@oemcomputer> From: "Andrea" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: 1451i DVD? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:33:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6725.EF993A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6725.EF993A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I own the 1451i. Will I ever be able to add a DVD? =20 ~Andrea ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE6725.EF993A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 17:27:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19954 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01586; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:25:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01361; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01348; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.208]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990305222450.CCVS10367@770>; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: <36E05979.7CDF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:23:53 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Bryan Edwards Subject: Re: Watching DVD Movies References: <03d001be6674$969f14c0$458cdfd0@bryan> <3.0.5.32.19990304232840.008c6630@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It allows control of brightness, contrast and gamma, both on the LCD and on an external TV It also will play VideoCD full screen (without the title bar). Ron Heiby wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 05:28 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >BTW, the Margi card is super on a 770ED > > Hmm. I'm confused. I have a 770ED. It came with a DVD drive and a card built > into the left side that I thought was handling DVD video. I've played a DVD or > two on it, and it seemed to be giving pretty reasonable reproduction. I > haven't yet tried hooking it up to a TV, though. > > The Margi card says that it requires a "Zoomed Video (ZV) Enabled" PCMCIA card > capability. Does the 770ED have this capability? I don't recall ever having > read anything about ZV. > > The data sheet mentions that it works under NT 5.0. This is interesting in > that the DVD code that came with the system does not seem to support NT. It is > also interesting in that NT 5.0 has not yet been released. Hmm. > > Beyond all that, a more fundamental question is, "What would this card > actually do for me, with a 770ED?" > > Thanks! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNt9ddW8pw+2/9pUJEQIgVQCggLHPfelUHs2jsmsqSQ0X/Wq36LQAoNLp > YSNsJDheRn0wt6F3El9a3xnp > =bLab > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 20:38:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21955 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09410; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:35:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09214; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09192; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tigger (ppp2-16.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.208]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id TAA17302 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:35:12 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Wembley" To: "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:33:31 -0600 Message-ID: <000701be6771$57d82120$0200a8c0@tigger> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Ok, folks. Pop quiz. A message arrives via a listserv, from someone you don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable file. Do you run it? a) yes b) no If (a) => dope slap. Someone in my office warned us all sternly about this, and pointed us to a site with information. Turned out she'd already run it. The real threats to your security on the internet are not esoteric tactics like password sniffers and Java applets that can pass your clipboard contents to a remote site. The real threat is You, if you fail to exercise the most basic of common sense practices. If you run a program from an unknown source and it damages your system, you deserve a Dope Slap -- and a weekend of formatting and reconfiguring. I'm off my soapbox now, and will shut up immediately. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Slip [mailto:jlk@innernet.net] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 1:54 PM > To: Patrick West; Thinkpads Thinkpad > Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM > > > I ran the program before getting the warning and had to remove it from my > system. It's not hard, but you should take a look at this page > before doing > anything. > Hope this helps. > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM > > -Jamie > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 22:00:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22854 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12362; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:58:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12077; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12059; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld121.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.65]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05158 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:57:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903060257.VAA05158@smtp2.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:57:03 -0500 To: "Thinkpad LISTSERV" From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM In-Reply-To: <000701be6771$57d82120$0200a8c0@tigger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:33 PM 3/5/99 -0600, Wembley wrote: >A message arrives via a listserv, from someone you >don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable file. Do you >run it? > >a) yes >b) no > >If (a) => dope slap. I second that emoticon. :*-( Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 23:24:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23569 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14737; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:23:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14586; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14573; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldg89.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.193.9]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26918; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:22:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903060422.XAA26918@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Greg Lara" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 20:22:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:57:03 -0500, Greg Lara wrote: >At 07:33 PM 3/5/99 -0600, Wembley wrote: >>A message arrives via a listserv, from someone you >>don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable file. Do you >>run it? >> >>a) yes >>b) no >> >>If (a) => dope slap. > >I second that emoticon. :*-( I agree. Time for a reality check/wakeup call for some people. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 23:25:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23591 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14967; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14772; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14759; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldg89.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.193.9]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07154; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903060424.XAA07154@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Edwards" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 20:24:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:25:01 -0800, Bryan Edwards wrote: >Sorry everyone!!!!! Please for give me I sent the wrong email....... > Okay, why are you sending the file happy99.exe? And in this message, you sent some kind of HTML or encoded attachment? I'm ready to give up - people still send attachments after we've constantly asked NOT to! Ugh... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 5 23:26:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23601 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15150; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14982; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14925; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldg89.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.193.9]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28784; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:25:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903060425.XAA28784@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "turgut kalfaoglu" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 20:25:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:42:08 -0200 (IZM), turgut kalfaoglu wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:50:23 -0800 (PST), Steven Filling wrote: >>>> begin 644 Happy99.exe >>> Danger folks, this is a nasty trojan. Do not run it. For more >>Sometimes you just gotta love linux ;^) > >Hey, I love my OS/2 every day! That, and my Solaris. After all, has anyone heard of a C virus? -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 00:11:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23978 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17647; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:10:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17539; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17526; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-79.gate.net [207.36.212.79]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA425352; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <36E0B862.BA5273D9@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:08:50 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770x vs. 770ED (AKA 13.7" vs. 14.1") References: <36DF44E6.DB6664A9@bcl.net> <3.0.1.32.19990305015818.0148b71c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark... HUH..?? :-) Mark Bell wrote: > We currently have a smattering of 770's. We may potentially > get a few 770x's (7AU's, 13.7"). One complaint is the larger > size of the upper case to accomodate the larger TFT. Does the > 7AU and the smaller screen have a normal upper casing size > that matches the lower case? (Ala 770's with 13.3" TFTs). > Any real differences between the 770ED and the 770X (besides > the resolution which would make our developers cackle with > delight including moi)? thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 00:19:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24097 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18088; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:18:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18003; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17990; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld1qc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.135.76]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00275 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:18:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903060518.AAA00275@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:17:48 -0500 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Greg Lara Subject: Great site for IBM Laptop info In-Reply-To: <199903060424.XAA07154@smtp1.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I don't know if this site is well-known amongst the denizens of this list, but what the heck: http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/f3200.htm Great IBM laptop technical and part information, and not just for Thinkpads, but some other models as well. Enjoy, Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 00:30:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24195 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18661; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:29:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18522; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18505; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-79.gate.net [207.36.212.79]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA350132; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: <36E0BCEF.52600101@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:28:15 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: CD-ROM for 760ED References: <199903051813.NAA07220@smtp1.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. IBM seems to be out of 4x CD's so they ship the 20X version.. i've been there..! :-) OTH, that 20x CD should fit, and if it does not, before you return the bad 4x CD, exchange the plastic spacers between the CD's.. Paul Khoury wrote: > Well, I got IBM to send out a replacement CD-ROM for my machine, > and instead of the 4X, I got a 20X. The Easy Setup tests test it okay, both for > regular and advanced, and I have yet to check in OS/2. > > One problem I had is the drive doesn't quite fit in the bay too well. It's like it needs > something below it so it can be elevated a little more to fully fit the slot. > Is there a plastic piece I need so it will be level with the slot? > > Hopefully my description makes sense. > > TIA, > > -- > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 05:50:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26120 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08922; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:49:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08809; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08795; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from seawesta-75.az.com (seawesta-75.az.com [204.201.18.75]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA19081 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 02:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199903061049.CAA19081@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 02:54:56 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Happy99.exe *AND* [TPALL] Latch Springs List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 05 Mar 99 20:24:12 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >of HTML or encoded attachment? I'm ready to give up - people still send attachments >after we've constantly asked NOT to! > >Ugh... Some people might not realize they're doing it. I send a few jokes onto a few friends not realizing the original sender had a HTML attachment of the joke nested about six or seven messages deep into it. Maybe this is what is happening?? Anyways back to TP stuff... Does anyone (or the mighty Bill Morrow) know if you can get hardware store springs to replace the springs in a 365XD's latch springs? I have been told they're not cheap through IBM, and I'd like to replace the springs (one is broken, the other isn't in that great of shape either). Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 10:17:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27302 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14348; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:16:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14201; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14188; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a310.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.184]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11796 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903061516.KAA11796@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a310.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.184] 209.198.81.184 Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:55:57 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video out use? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone: What is the use of the video feature on the TP 600E and 770x? --This part of the PC technology is new to me . _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 13:11:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28432 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19241; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:09:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19050; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stars.cisco.com (stars.cisco.com [171.71.112.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19037; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA11223; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:09:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth D'Ambrosio" To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List , Bryan Edwards Subject: Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! In-Reply-To: <199903060424.XAA07154@smtp1.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: No, Paul -- the attachment *IS* the virus, and not only that, the way the virus propogates. It attaches itself to random out-going e-mails. That's how large chunks of Cisco got infected, because it looks like something you should just click on. Don't be mad at him -- he didn't know he was sending an attachment, because, as far as he KNEW, he wasn't. Welcomwe to Happy99.exe. So mellow out a little... Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 20:24:12 -0800 > From: Paul Khoury > To: ThinkPad List , > Bryan Edwards > Subject: Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:25:01 -0800, Bryan Edwards wrote: > > >Sorry everyone!!!!! Please for give me I sent the wrong email....... > > > Okay, why are you sending the file happy99.exe? And in this message, you sent some kind > of HTML or encoded attachment? I'm ready to give up - people still send attachments > after we've constantly asked NOT to! > > Ugh... > > -- > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 14:17:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28737 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21325; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:16:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21155; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21141; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:15:31 -0500 Sender: bbender@csi.com Received: from brianb-tp (isdn242.vocollect.com [209.166.154.242]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id OAA22449; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Bender" To: , "'Thinkpads'" Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be6805$bd9200a0$6437a8c0@brianb-tp.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <000701be6771$57d82120$0200a8c0@tigger> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Amen. :) But I wouldn't be so specific. I don't even run them when they're from someone I _do_ know, because half the people I know *will* run something like from that from someone _they_ don't know.....and then send it to me. On Friday, March 05, 1999 8:34 PM, Wembley wrote: > > > Ok, folks. Pop quiz. A message arrives via a listserv, from > someone you > don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable > file. Do you > run it? > > a) yes > b) no > > If (a) => dope slap. > ============================================= - Brian Bender Thinkpad 600, 300MHZ, 128MB RAM, 5GB HDD Former owner of: 770 (200MHZ), 560 (120MHZ), 755CSE (DX4/100) Currently running WinNT 4.0 SP4 and playing with Linux afterhours... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 14:47:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28893 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22811; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:47:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22700; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22684; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cv72968-a ([24.228.45.27]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990306194656.JNDG21575.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@cv72968-a> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:46:56 -0800 X-Sender: wcachen@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:47:38 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Wyn Achenbaum Subject: RE: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM In-Reply-To: <001701be6805$bd9200a0$6437a8c0@brianb-tp.internal> References: <000701be6771$57d82120$0200a8c0@tigger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19990306194656.JNDG21575.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@cv72968-a> List-Unsubscribe: My Eudora Pro 4.0.1 opens attachments automatically. And my Norton Antivirus asks me what I'd like to do with this particular (accidental) attachment each time it arrives with some unwitting sender's post. I answer, it does it, and I'm done. At 02:15 PM 3/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >Amen. :) >But I wouldn't be so specific. I don't even run them when they're from >someone I _do_ know, because half the people I know *will* run something >like from that from someone _they_ don't know.....and then send it to me. > >On Friday, March 05, 1999 8:34 PM, Wembley wrote: >> >> >> Ok, folks. Pop quiz. A message arrives via a listserv, from >> someone you >> don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable >> file. Do you >> run it? >> >> a) yes >> b) no >> >> If (a) => dope slap. >> > > > Wyn Achenbaum From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 15:25:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29097 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24600; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:24:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24432; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.apollotrust.com (IDENT:root@galileo.apollotrust.com [204.171.56.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24418; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (dialin-7.apollotrust.com [204.171.56.70]) by galileo.apollotrust.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA13789 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:23:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000001be680e$dd996100$eae3fea9@home> From: "Dave Watson" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BE6752.84921D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BE6752.84921D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BE6752.84921D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BE6752.84921D20-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 16:05:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29330 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26284; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26084; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26030; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.113.88.126]) by mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990306210331.YDNQ11952.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:03:31 -0800 Message-ID: <36E19822.F182B9F7@home.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 13:03:30 -0800 From: Maryka Reply-To: maryka@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: dictation software on the i series Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For those who are interested... I got Dragon Naturally Speaking running on my i1410, although I probably spent $30 more than I had to. I just assumed that I would need the microphone adapter or battery box to get it to work, and I didn't want to go through all the general training just to find out my microphone wasn't working well enough - so I bought the battery box and went through the training with it. Works really well, and it is as accurate as can be expected without much specific vocabulary training yet. But when I tried the microphone without the battery box, it seemed to work just as well. So I guess the i series may not need the extra boost for microphone power. Maybe my next post to this list will be "FS: APS-100 battery box".... I am quite happy with it, considering that Dragon doesn't list either my soundcard (Yamaha OPL3-SAx) or the i1410 itself as officially compatible with Dragon software. And, I'm running it on 32 meg of RAM, although the Corel/Dragon software box recommends at least 48. It is quite slow, however - it took about twice as long to do the general training as it was supposed to - so I am going to buy another 32 meg. Overall, I am pretty pleased with this software and the way it runs so far. Maryka David Talkington wrote: > > I'll be very interested in how your dictation software performs ... and how > much RAM it likes. (You'll certainly want to buy all you can afford.) I'm > considering tinkering with ViaVoice on my 1720. > > Please post a followup if you have time. -d > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 16:27:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29502 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28232; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:26:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28001; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.sound.net (echo.sound.net [205.242.192.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27984; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903062125.QAA27984@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 4854 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1999 21:15:54 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082010.kc.sound.net (HELO pickles) (209.153.82.10) by echo.sound.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1999 21:15:54 -0000 From: "pickles" To: Subject: Thinkpad 701c Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:25:43 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just purchased a used one, anyone using one on this list? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 16:48:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29615 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29514; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:47:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29378; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29363; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id NAA10684 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: RE: dictation software on the i series Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:46:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000901be681a$c16df5c0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E19822.F182B9F7@home.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody know why IBM made it a (supposed) requirement to have a separate power supply for the mic on previous Thinkpads anyways? I mean, do mic's draw a lot of power or something? And if so, do the people who've just gotten the adapter from SCCS find that their battery goes down significantly with the mic? Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Maryka [mailto:maryka@home.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:04 PM > To: Thinkpad list > Subject: Re: dictation software on the i series > > > For those who are interested... > > I got Dragon Naturally Speaking running on my i1410, although I probably > spent $30 more than I had to. I just assumed that I would need the > microphone adapter or battery box to get it to work, and I didn't want > to go through all the general training just to find out my microphone > wasn't working well enough - so I bought the battery box and went > through the training with it. Works really well, and it is as accurate > as can be expected without much specific vocabulary training yet. But > when I tried the microphone without the battery box, it seemed to work > just as well. So I guess the i series may not need the extra boost for > microphone power. Maybe my next post to this list will be "FS: APS-100 > battery box".... > > I am quite happy with it, considering that Dragon doesn't list either my > soundcard (Yamaha OPL3-SAx) or the i1410 itself as officially compatible > with Dragon software. And, I'm running it on 32 meg of RAM, although > the Corel/Dragon software box recommends at least 48. It is quite slow, > however - it took about twice as long to do the general training as it > was supposed to - so I am going to buy another 32 meg. Overall, I am > pretty pleased with this software and the way it runs so far. > > Maryka > > > David Talkington wrote: > > > > I'll be very interested in how your dictation software performs > ... and how > > much RAM it likes. (You'll certainly want to buy all you can > afford.) I'm > > considering tinkering with ViaVoice on my 1720. > > > > Please post a followup if you have time. -d > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 17:20:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29829 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01077; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:19:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00904; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00869; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.15.196]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990306221846.BCCU25498@770> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: <36E1A98D.3E46@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:17:49 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 600 CD-ROM for sale! References: <199903060518.AAA00275@smtp1.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74833290 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 17:32:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29891 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02030; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:31:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01866; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01852; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.15.196]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990306223106.BFHQ25498@770> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:31:06 +0000 Message-ID: <36E1AC72.50C7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:30:10 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery for 755CD/760 for sale! References: <199903060518.AAA00275@smtp1.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Internal NiMH battery for 755CD/760 for sale! on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74839507 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 17:50:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00133 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03252; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:49:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03118; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03105; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bp ([12.77.218.142]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990306224910.IEMF27343@bp>; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:49:10 +0000 Message-ID: <36E1B0F1.53DC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:49:21 -0500 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: dictation software on the i series References: <000901be681a$c16df5c0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ryan Hung wrote: > > Does anybody know why IBM made it a (supposed) requirement to have a > separate power supply for the mic on previous Thinkpads anyways? I mean, do Mike socket is stereo. Socket is also used for line input. Mikes are mono. Dynamic mikes do not need bias voltage. Condenser mikes with internal battery do not need bias voltage. Electret mikes that come in the VR box need bias voltage. Some notebooks do supply bias voltage. Most soundcards on desktops do supply bias voltage. Power draw is mighty small. Welcome to the world of microphones and ThinkPads. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 20:26:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01297 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07340; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:24:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07176; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from biff.engr.mun.ca (biff.engr.mun.ca [134.153.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07163; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from exa.engr.mun.ca (exa.engr.mun.ca [134.153.12.69]) by biff.engr.mun.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03494 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:04:35 -0330 (NST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:54:46 -0330 (NST) From: Zhikai Ding To: Thinkpad list Subject: IBM Thinkpad i Series Owners' Page In-Reply-To: <36E1B0F1.53DC@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: You may find this page useful: IBM Thinkpad i Series Owners' Page http://disc.server.com/Indices/45325.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 20:46:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01482 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08168; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:44:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08012; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07999; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from seawesta-78.az.com (seawesta-78.az.com [204.201.18.78]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08106 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199903070144.RAA08106@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:49:56 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad feature request List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:16:44 -0800, Benjamin Koh wrote: >No idea about the 380/385 series or the i series. These are 3 spindle >machines so my feeling is that it will be a pain to remove the hard >drive. >> My 750P can do this, the 365XD cannot. It requires screws to be removed. >> While this is fine for home, it just will not do on site. Chris is right on the 365XD. I have one. And putting in a new 2.1gig HD in mine was fun trying to keep that shield up, screws near by *AND* making sure I didn't push too hard on the drive when putting the new one in place. My $0.02 Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 20:55:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01542 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08593; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:54:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08482; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08469; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from seawesta-78.az.com (seawesta-78.az.com [204.201.18.78]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08997 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:54:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199903070154.RAA08997@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:59:55 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: 365X RAM and CDROM issues List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:17:01 +0100, Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: >>> >if it works, i would sure like to know.. i can sell more memory that way.. :-)i'm certain that if anyone DID manage to get a 64meg part to work in the 365 they WILL hit the cache limitation.. >>> > >By the way... > >All of a sudden, IBM Denmark is offering the 64MB SODIMM for the 365X on their website.... > >I checked and Danish manufacturer Memory Card Technology is, too (this is new, I mean one week ago they didn't) > >If the 365X has no L2 cache does this mean that I don't have to worry about a cacheable limit or that the >limit is 64 MB (or 32MB?) I don't know about the cacheable limit...however I know (out of my own little 365XD message archive since I've been on the list) that there were a few people who were experimenting with the 64 meg module. This is what Mr. Alban Gerd Kellerbauer was saying about the module he was trying out : > On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:39:32 -0400, A. Kellerbauer wrote: > > >This question has been raised several times in the past: Will the 64 MB > >SO-DIMM module (Option P/N 76H0268) work in the 365X/XD? > >The answer that was given every time went like this: "IBM doesn't > >support it and I heard that it doesn't work." > >Well, I tried it yesterday on my 365XD, and it worked perfectly. At > >Power-up, the BIOS counted to 73XXX, the memory test in the BIOS Setup > >was successful, and Windows NT sees the full amount of RAM. I may add > >that because the 365X/XD has no L2 cache, the de-facto 64 MB RAM limit > >doesn't apply in this case. I experience a clear performance gain. Now > >the machine runs very nicely under Windows NT. > >I may add that I upgraded to the latest BIOS 1.10 recently. My machine > >is Type 2625-GF9. > If that is any help to anyone.... if not, pardon the bandwith usage. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 21:03:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01619 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09021; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:02:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08890; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from blue.engin.umich.edu (root@blue.engin.umich.edu [141.212.78.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08877; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bakerkj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blue.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24279 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:02:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth James Baker To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Buying a Thinkpad.. In-Reply-To: <199903070144.RAA08106@www.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Dear list, First off, thanks for all of your input on my past posts. I am still looking at various laptops trying to find one that really fits my needs and is cheap. I am looking to spend $700 or less. I'd like a cd-rom / floppy / 1gig disk or more / network / pentium 100 or more / 24mb or more / TFT. I have found a few out there that meet these requirements. But most of them are 760's and many of you have responded that these aren't very good machines etc. But my two major worries about these machines are 1) X, will it run at 800x600? 2) Sound - will it run without launching dos and loading the Mwave drivers? Any thoughts would be appreciated... Suggestions on other machines to look at whatever... Thanks, Ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 21:20:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01745 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09682; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:19:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09539; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09524; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.13.5]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990307021835.DADH1786@770>; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:18:35 +0000 Message-ID: <36E1E1BB.7DB2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:17:31 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth James Baker CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The PCI based 760's (760E and above) are TERIFFIC machines! They run faster than most of the competitive machines, are very modular, adn can dock into a SelectaDock,. which allows the use of a PCI video card (I am using a 16MB Creative Banshee!!). The MWAVE audio is good and very compatible, the modem sucks (but so do almost all laptop modems). If you can get a 760ED for $700 complete, GRAB IT! just my .02 Kenneth James Baker wrote: > > Dear list, > > First off, thanks for all of your input on my past posts. > > I am still looking at various laptops trying to find one that really fits > my needs and is cheap. I am looking to spend $700 or less. I'd like a > cd-rom / floppy / 1gig disk or more / network / pentium 100 or more / 24mb > or more / TFT. I have found a few out there that meet these requirements. > But most of them are 760's and many of you have responded that these > aren't very good machines etc. > > But my two major worries about these machines are 1) X, will it run at > 800x600? 2) Sound - will it run without launching dos and loading the > Mwave drivers? > > Any thoughts would be appreciated... Suggestions on other machines to > look at whatever... > > Thanks, > Ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 22:29:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02354 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18661; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:27:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18278; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18260; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-002-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.66]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25264; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:27:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36E1F214.67A9F7BB@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:27:16 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth James Baker CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There is nothing at all wrong with the 760 as long as you don't get the 90 mhz or he 120 mhz. I have been extremely happy with the the 760ED 133, the 760XL, and the 760L that I have... Watch for the ones with the better screen and you really have a nice machine for under $1100 - $900. You will be better off without the IBM mwave modem, getting instead a PCMCIA Xircom or 3Com and upgrade the memory to 80 Mb or 104 mb of RAM. I don't know about the network card. My first one, the 760ED, has had heavy daily use since September of 1996 without a single problem. The 760XL had a keyboard problem due to spilled coffee, but fixed itself after a cleaning with distilled water. My daughter has been dragging a 760L all over Columbia University for two years ... You will be happier with a 166 or faster... but don't ignore the 760's. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 22:44:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02471 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20562; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:43:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20316; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from izzy6.izzy.net (root@izzy6.izzy.net [206.84.176.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20268; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from noel.home.null (annex-0-5-port-39.dialup.coast.net [207.158.189.103]) by izzy6.izzy.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA10759 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:43:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:43:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth J. Baker" X-Sender: bakerkj@noel.home.null To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. In-Reply-To: <36E1F214.67A9F7BB@cia-g.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: How are the 760's with linux? Sound drivers? X? Thanks, Ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 23:07:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02644 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24906; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:06:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24727; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24714; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts-jl ([12.78.133.182]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990307040617.BNMR3511@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 04:06:17 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990306230520.009d33d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:05:20 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. In-Reply-To: References: <199903070144.RAA08106@www.az.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:02 PM 3/6/99 -0500, Kenneth James Baker wrote: >I am still looking at various laptops trying to find one that really fits >my needs and is cheap. I am looking to spend $700 or less. I'd like a >cd-rom / floppy / 1gig disk or more / network / pentium 100 or more / 24mb >or more / TFT. I have found a few out there that meet these requirements. >But most of them are 760's and many of you have responded that these >aren't very good machines etc. > >But my two major worries about these machines are 1) X, will it run at >800x600? 2) Sound - will it run without launching dos and loading the >Mwave drivers? > I just moved to the 600 from a 760XL, and it was a good machine. The keyboard was fine until it started going out at about 18 months. When I got the new 600, I shipped the 760XL back for a keyboard replacement before I passed it on down the food chain - no hassles from EasyServ. Yes, it ran at 800x600. It didn't have Mwave. Hope this helps - Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 00:12:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03080 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27840; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:11:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27737; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27723; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from me [205.130.17.31] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id AAAC74CD0232; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 00:12:12 EST Message-ID: <006201be6859$5cd084e0$c31282cd@here.com> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Anyone know what happened to this site? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:14:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE682F.737435E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE682F.737435E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr. Brown had a nice site up which covered portable usage in general = that was located at http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown/ 'called the Portable Computing Center It seems that the site is no longer there because links to other pages = in the directory are gone as well. Mainly there was a page of links that = I would like to access-it had some TP701 specific links. 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Thanks.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BE682F.737435E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 00:31:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03238 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28932; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:30:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28664; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28651; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 166.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.166]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990307052927.CQDB19548@166.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:29:27 +0000 From: epbrown01@worldnet.att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Anyone know what happened to this site? Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 05:29:33 GMT Message-ID: <36e60dd6.7063794@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <006201be6859$5cd084e0$c31282cd@here.com> In-Reply-To: <006201be6859$5cd084e0$c31282cd@here.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:14:22 -0500, "Slip" wrote: >Mr. Brown had a nice site up which covered portable usage in general that was located at http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown/ >'called the Portable Computing Center >It seems that the site is no longer there because links to other pages in the directory are gone as well. Mainly there was a page of links that I would like to access-it had some TP701 specific links. I moved my web pages when I decided to winnow my number of ISPs. The PCC is now located on AT&T's pages, just follow the URL in my .sig. Sorry I forgot to notify this list, gang. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 02:17:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04217 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03710; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:16:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03579; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03565; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.229.91.61] (helo=fever0.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10JXnW-0004JT-0K; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:16:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:16:04 +0000 To: Kenneth James Baker Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Nic FitzGerald Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 List-Unsubscribe: >But my two major worries about these machines are 1) X, will it run at >800x600? 2) Sound - will it run without launching dos and loading the >Mwave drivers? > >Any thoughts would be appreciated... Suggestions on other machines to >look at whatever... > >Thanks, >Ken > I have a 760ED [133MHz] and the res it runs is 1024x768 at 16bit pixel depth, and 70Hz refresh rate. It can run 800x600 at higher colour etc. If you plunge into DOS after W9x, then the SB is emulated automatically. This is just a guess as I use NT [ with no prob, I even found it easier to install all of 760 drv's under NT than win95!] -- Nic FitzGerald From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 10:53:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07134 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22703; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:51:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22532; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22518; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic26.fbtc.net [204.2.11.26]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA16648; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:51:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a101be68b1$d7330de0$1a0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:47:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List ; Patrick West Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) >What's the big deal with this so called virus? Does this only affect DOS and Win32 machines? I looked it up on the web and the information I read (I don't know how accurate this is) says that it doesn't really do any damage, it just propogates itself. But there is a danger that someone might write a virus that can attach to it and do damage. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 10:59:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07182 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23047; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:58:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22893; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22879; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic26.fbtc.net [204.2.11.26]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA17685; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:58:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00b801be68b2$bdf88200$1a0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Greg Lara" , "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:54:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lara To: Thinkpad LISTSERV Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM >At 07:33 PM 3/5/99 -0600, Wembley wrote: >>A message arrives via a listserv, from someone you >>don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable file. Do you >>run it? >> >>a) yes >>b) no >> >>If (a) => dope slap. > >I second that emoticon. ( I agree also, but this list isn't quite the same as someone we don't know. I alread knew about the Happy virus so I knew what it was and didn't run it. If I hadn't known I probably wouldn't have run it becase I didn't see anything indicating what it was. But if it had some accompanying text saying it was a useful utility, and knowing it came from this list, I probably would have run it. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 11:18:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07302 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23828; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:17:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23652; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23639; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10JgF0-0006CD-0K for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:17:23 +0000 To: Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 16:16:40 GMT Message-ID: <36e9a37c.21458271@post.demon.co.uk> References: <00b801be68b2$bdf88200$1a0b02cc@cueve> In-Reply-To: <00b801be68b2$bdf88200$1a0b02cc@cueve> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:54:09 -0600, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Lara >To: Thinkpad LISTSERV >Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:57 PM >Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! HOW TO GET RID OF THIS FROM YOUR SYSTEM > > >>At 07:33 PM 3/5/99 -0600, Wembley wrote: >>>A message arrives via a listserv, from someone you >>>don't know. It contains an attachment which is an executable file. = Do >you >>>run it? >>> >>>a) yes >>>b) no >>> >>>If (a) =3D> dope slap. >> >>I second that emoticon. >(=20 > > >I agree also, but this list isn't quite the same as someone we don't = know. I alread knew about the Happy virus so I knew what it was and = didn't run it. If I hadn't known I probably wouldn't have run it becase = I didn't see anything indicating what it was. > >But if it had some accompanying text saying it was a useful utility, and= knowing it came from this list, I probably would have run it. > >Barry > In my case, I got the Happy99.exe as an attachment from a close friend who is known for sending harmless little joke/greeting programmes, so I fully intended to open it. After checking the file with McAfee VirusScan (with a virus definition file that was less than a week old, with no further update available even on that very day) and given the all clear, I opened the file. I took no further notice of it after seeing the fireworks display and Happy New Year greetings that the file generated, only to find out a while later while reading usenet news that *all* my usenet postings (and e-mails) contained a separate message with this Happy99.exe attachment. In my case, I was totally unaware that I was transmitting this virus each time I sent anything. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 12:33:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07746 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26179; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:32:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25970; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.sound.net (echo.sound.net [205.242.192.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25832; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903071729.MAA25832@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 13196 invoked from network); 7 Mar 1999 17:19:11 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080081.kc.sound.net (HELO pickles) (209.153.80.81) by echo.sound.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 17:19:11 -0000 From: "pickles" To: Subject: Phone util Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:26:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone one know of a good shareware program for the 701c and it's internal modem that does dialing, answering, speaker phone etc? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 12:52:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07840 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26842; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:51:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26650; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26637; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16881 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 1999 17:51:00 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 16860 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 17:50:59 -0000 Received: from dialupl216.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (209.180.201.216) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 17:50:59 -0000 From: "p machule" To: "Kenneth James Baker" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad.. Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:48:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01be68c2$b8fd3a60$d8c9b4d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Who responded that these aren't any good ????? I have a few of these 760's floating around here . As long as they are the 760e class and above there more than fine. All are 800*600 . A few of the later ones were even 1024*768. No one is very enthoused about the keyboard . It could be better . But it is better than virtually any other non-ibm laptop .;-} It just wasn't as good as the 755 series. Note: the 760C 's are OK but are a different design than the 760E series internally . Some of the 760's had M-wave ...some didn't . Check out the spec sheet . >Thinkpad Compilation tpichart.pdf available from: >ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles The M-wave drivers are loaded...... Actually I do not understand you question . The current drivers are Win95 ish .. ..peter.. >Dear list, > >First off, thanks for all of your input on my past posts. > >I am still looking at various laptops trying to find one that really fits >my needs and is cheap. I am looking to spend $700 or less. I'd like a >cd-rom / floppy / 1gig disk or more / network / pentium 100 or more / 24mb >or more / TFT. I have found a few out there that meet these requirements. >But most of them are 760's and many of you have responded that these >aren't very good machines etc. > >But my two major worries about these machines are 1) X, will it run at >800x600? 2) Sound - will it run without launching dos and loading the >Mwave drivers? > >Any thoughts would be appreciated... Suggestions on other machines to >look at whatever... > >Thanks, >Ken > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 13:52:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08230 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28414; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:51:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28247; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28233; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13175 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:51:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: DANGER! DANGER! (was Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!!) In-Reply-To: <00a101be68b1$d7330de0$1a0b02cc@cueve> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Barry Marks wrote: > From: Paul Khoury > > > >What's the big deal with this so called virus? Does this only affect DOS > and Win32 machines? > > I looked it up on the web and the information I read (I don't know how > accurate this is) says that it doesn't really do any damage, it just > propogates itself. But there is a danger that someone might write a virus > that can attach to it and do damage. Like I said, worms have a subtle, hidden cost because they reduce Internet bandwidth. Your system isn't damaged directly, but its performance is. Kinda like how junk mail is subsidized by all the first class stamps you buy... -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 14:05:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08324 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29044; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:04:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28865; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.1.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28849; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.46) with smtp id ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:04:08 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:04:08 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Please stop `Re: DANGER! DANGER!' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I think by now everyone knows that there are viruses out there in the wild. There are other places to discuss rudimentary forms of computer security :-) Regards, Christoph Eyrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 15:10:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08777 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01126; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:09:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00981; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00967; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id PAA29855 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:08:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:08:15 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 2.1Gb drives... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199903071508_MC2-6D0A-A8D2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for all your responses to my request for details of a used replacement HDD for my Thinkpad 755CX... However, in UK you can get a new 2.1Gb drive for about =A3100.00 and all = your prices would be in excess of this (with carriage) and many were for a smaller capacity! I was hoping to pay around $70 or equiv... Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 16:08:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09179 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03132; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:06:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02920; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.sound.net (echo.sound.net [205.242.192.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02905; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903072106.QAA02905@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 22348 invoked from network); 7 Mar 1999 20:56:16 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082179.kc.sound.net (HELO pickles) (209.153.82.179) by echo.sound.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 20:56:16 -0000 From: "pickles" To: Subject: command.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:04:54 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just turned on my computer, and I can't load win95, asking for command interpreter command.com? What can I do? 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Main (949) 583-3000 9740 Irvine Blvd FAX (949) 462-0598 Irvine, CA. 92618-1697 E-Mail john.liu@tais.toshiba.com ================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 20:20:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10837 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10576; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:19:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10457; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10443; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad-1721i (user-37kagki.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.66.146]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06915 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:18:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a201be6901$8292dfe0$924245cf@thinkpad-1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: Problem Scrolling in Outlook Express with TrackPoint Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:17:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01BE68CF.35F94480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01BE68CF.35F94480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary, Thanks for responding. When you say "enable it", I assume you mean turning-on scrolling for the TrackPoint. Actually, I already did that, = and it works fine for every other application except the message body pane = of Outlook Express (it scrolls the other OE panes just fine). I had the = same problem on my desktop with OE and a Logitech Marble trackball until I upgraded the driver. There is something screwy about OE (pretty safe statement, huh). If you have a ThinkPad add you are able to scroll the message body pane, I would really appreciate knowing what model and = driver you are using. Thanks, Chuck ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01BE68CF.35F94480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary,

Thanks for responding.  When you say "enable = it", I assume you mean
turning-on scrolling for the = TrackPoint. =20 Actually, I already did that, and
it works fine for every other = application=20 except the message body pane of
Outlook Express (it scrolls the other = OE=20 panes just fine).  I had the same
problem on my desktop with OE = and a=20 Logitech Marble trackball until I
upgraded the driver.  There is = something screwy about OE (pretty safe
statement, huh).  If you = have a=20 ThinkPad add you are able to scroll the
message body pane, I would = really=20 appreciate knowing what model and driver
you are using.
 
Thanks,
Chuck
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01BE68CF.35F94480-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 23:45:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12752 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16794; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:42:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16606; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16592; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:42:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990308044121.560.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [165.91.70.43] by send101.yahoomail.com; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:41:21 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul R. Remlinger" Subject: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: How come the prices for IBM's travelstar hard drives are extremely lower than the drives IBM lists as IBM Options? For example, I own a ThinkPad 385XD and recently have been looking into buying a larger drive for my computer. According to IBM's website, they offer a 6.4GB Option for my computer (part #02K0518). This drive sells for over $700 (at least everywhere that I've checked). However, if you visit www.ibm.com/storage you will find a TravelStar 6GT DADA-26480 (6.4GB drive with comparable stats) that is selling for around $240. What's going on with that? Am I missing something? Well, if anyone could offer me some insight into this matter, I'd greatly appreciate it. Sincerely, Paul Remlinger _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 01:53:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13650 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24020; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:52:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23884; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23870; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tigger (ppp170.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.170]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id AAA17821 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:52:21 -0600 (CST) From: "David Talkington" To: "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: RE: Problem Scrolling in Outlook Express with TrackPoint Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:52:11 -0600 Message-ID: <000701be6930$30da1d60$90d194ce@tigger> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Chuck, I've noticed the same behavior. There is a handful of apps with an apparent dislike for the Trackpoint scroll feature (Corel WordPerfect is another example). Please, sir, post in plain text, and not in HTML. G'day -d From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 02:07:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13947 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24687; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:06:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24586; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from photon.soltec.net (photon.soltec.net [206.148.208.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24573; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tigger (ppp170.cu.soltec.net [206.148.209.170]) by photon.soltec.net (8.8.8/8.8.9) with SMTP id BAA18277 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:06:25 -0600 (CST) From: "David Talkington" To: "Thinkpad LISTSERV" Subject: re: command.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:06:15 -0600 Message-ID: <000901be6932$27e73e20$90d194ce@tigger> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: pickles [mailto:pickles@sound.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 5:05 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: command.com > > I just turned on my computer, and I can't load win95, asking for command > interpreter command.com? What can I do? Go buy yourself a beer. Take the evening off. Enjoy the Northern Lights. Get a refreshing night's sleep. And when you awaken, shake the sleep out of your eyes and stretch, marveling at what a wonderful thing it is to be alive. Then reinstall Windows. And don't do again whatever you did the last time your computer was running. And if you didn't do any tinkering, invest in some antivirus software. =) -d From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 11:10:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17474 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22034; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:03:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21553; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21512; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22724 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08473 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE6952.CC36F0E0@ntmail.doble.com>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , "'Kenneth D'Ambrosio'" Cc: "'ThinkPad List'" , "'Bryan Edwards'" Subject: RE: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:59:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Yeah it is really quite clever. Some people have gotten wise enough not to run .exe files from people they do not know. So to counter this the worm tries to create the situation of a trusted friend sending this neat program to you. I guess this means you can not even trust your friends because they could be unknowing pawns in the spread of worms, viruses, etc..., 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Kenneth D'Ambrosio [SMTP:kend@cisco.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:09 PM To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List; Bryan Edwards Subject: Re: Sorry I sent the wrong email!!! No, Paul -- the attachment *IS* the virus, and not only that, the way the virus propogates. It attaches itself to random out-going e-mails. That's how large chunks of Cisco got infected, because it looks like something you should just click on. Don't be mad at him -- he didn't know he was sending an attachment, because, as far as he KNEW, he wasn't. Welcomwe to Happy99.exe. So mellow out a little... Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 11:40:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17919 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25446; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:36:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25310; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from infw1.bakerd.com (infw1.bakerd.com [208.216.217.173]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25290; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.152.0.201] by infw1.bakerd.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 16:36:19 UT Received: from BD-Message_Server by bakerd.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:37:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:37:15 -0500 From: "Kevin Toner" To: Subject: Re: TP600: Missing File Error Message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: George, Thanks for your suggestion. I tried the system file checker and fixed a = number of supposedly corrupted files, but the error message remains. I = tried editing the Registry to delete any reference to the missing file, = but now I just get the same error message without any reference to the = actual name of the missing file. I'm about ready to reformat using a = stand alone copy of Win98. (I had to buy a copy in order to run the sfc = program. It could not find the necessary replacement files on my IBM = restore CD or IBM Win98 upgrade CD). Kevin >>> "George Neurauter" 02/27/99 01:42pm >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 6:45 AM Subject: TP600: Missing File Error Message >Lately my TP600 has been giving me an error message at startup that it can't find a Windows device file named "dfs.vxd"? I don't know what software or hardware that file relates to, so I don't know where to look = for it to restore it. Any ideas? Thanks. >Kevin Toner > Kevin, If you have Windows 98, which I assume you do considering your other post, = you can run the System FIle Checker utility to check for missing or = damaged system files. Type "sfc" in the Run command line to run the = program. . . . George Neurauter neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 12:32:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18505 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01297; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:28:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01095; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from bilbo.mxn.com (web1.mxn.com [207.41.41.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01079; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lyle ([10.201.39.1]) by bilbo.mxn.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA14200 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:22:13 -0500 Message-ID: <011101be6988$e97a7ce0$0c5f14ac@lyle.mxn.com> From: "lyle berman" To: Subject: 770z availability Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:27:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: anyone know anything about when the 770z series is coming out? thanks, -lyle lyle@interport.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 12:58:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18839 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03305; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:49:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03113; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02917; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12348; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:47:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Paul R. Remlinger" , Subject: RE: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:47:36 -0800 Message-ID: <003801be698b$c0b153d0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990308044121.560.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> List-Unsubscribe: > How come the prices for IBM's travelstar hard drives are extremely > lower than the drives IBM lists as IBM Options? > > For example, I own a ThinkPad 385XD and recently have been looking > into buying a larger drive for my computer. According to IBM's > website, they offer a 6.4GB Option for my computer (part #02K0518). > This drive sells for over $700 (at least everywhere that I've > checked). However, if you visit www.ibm.com/storage you will find a > TravelStar 6GT DADA-26480 (6.4GB drive with comparable stats) that is > selling for around $240. What's going on with that? Am I missing > something? IBM Options drives come premounted in whatever mounting shell or bracket is required for your computer. Travelstar drives are the bare, generic 2.5" drive only, so you have to reuse your existing shell or buy one from Bill Morrow or other sources. The actual drive mechanism is identical. Options drives may also come with a longer warranty, but who cares at that price difference? Can you spell "no-brainer?" -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 13:19:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19065 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06176; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:13:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05882; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from I1.genam.com ([208.209.229.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05861; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from insight-tech.com ([10.4.56.10]) by I1.genam.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 8625672E.00642D14; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:14:11 -0600 Message-ID: <36E41229.79F762E8@insight-tech.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:08:41 -0600 From: Brian Button Organization: Insight Technology Group, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: (770X) Linksys Cardbus and Linux (RH 5.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone gotten the Linksys EtherFast Cardbus network card to be recognized by Linux? I have downloaded and installed pcmcia-3.0.9, gone to the Linksys web site and got the latest tulip.c from there, built it, and no luck. Several issues: 1) The CardBus controller is reported through win98 as a TI PCI-1251, which I can't even find on the TI site. Could this be an OEM version of the 1250A? In either case, which controller should I use under Linux, the Intel one, or the other (I'm away from my linux box now, so I have to do this by memory) 2) /var/log/messages reports the card as unsupported. Running cardctl ident gives same thing. The system beeps when I insert the card, so it obviously knows its there -- it just doesn't know anything about it. I have updated modules.conf in /etc/pcmcia, but still no luck. I'm about at my wits end on this. I've checked altavista and dejanews without any luck. Any help from here? PS - I already sent out one message about this earlier, but it never showed up. This is the second time this has happened to me :( bab -- Brian Button bbutton@insight-tech.com Senior Consultant Insight Technology Group, Inc. Product Reviews Editor C++ Report Magazine From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 13:26:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19191 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07678; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07477; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (root@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07267; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigman (crh4210.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.197.99]) by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08118; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:22:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01be6990$6ecba700$63c57e82@bigman> From: "George Neurauter" To: "Kevin Toner" , Subject: Re: TP600: Missing File Error Message Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:21:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:37 AM Subject: Re: TP600: Missing File Error Message >George, >Thanks for your suggestion. I tried the system file checker and fixed a number of supposedly corrupted files, but the error message remains. I tried editing the Registry to delete any reference to the missing file, but now I just get the same error message without any reference to the actual name of the missing file. I'm about ready to reformat using a stand alone copy of Win98. (I had to buy a copy in order to run the sfc program. It could not find the necessary replacement files on my IBM restore CD or IBM Win98 upgrade CD). >Kevin Yep, reformat and reinstall. That's usually the way to go if that happens. :) George Neurauter neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 13:37:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19330 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08712; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:30:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08411; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww185.netaddress.usa.net (ww185.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.85]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08350; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10906 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 1999 18:29:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990308182944.10905.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.85 by ww185 via web-mailer(R2.6) on Mon Mar 8 18:29:44 GMT 1999 Date: 8 Mar 99 12:29:44 CST From: Rob Bell To: Subject: Re: [Re: TP600: Missing File Error Message] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Kevin, I don't have any personal experience with this file(dfs.vxd), but a quick= AltaVista search of the Internet turned up the fact that the file is used= by Windows networking (see http://www.driver-forum.com/other/815.html). The= most dependable way to remedy your situation would be to remove your network client(s) and protocols from Network Neighborhood properties, exit the di= alog, and then re-add them. This will force Windows to copy the files back to = your HD from the Win98 CD (or cab files on your HD). If you are not comfortab= le changing network properties like this, then seek help from someone who is= , because if you don't correctly restore the individual properties of whate= ver client and protocols you remove you may not be able to communicate with y= our network. Alternatively, if you have access to another PC configured similarly to y= ours, you could look for the file on that system and copy it to the same spot o= n your system. Of course, if you've mucked with the registry already then = this might not work. You shouldn't have to reformat and do a full reinstall of Win98 to fix th= is problem. If you feel that you have the knowledge to do this, then you mu= st know enough about your network config to delete all the properties and re= -add them. = As an aside, you also shouldn't have had to buy another Win98 CD. The up= grade CD should have contained all of the needed files that the full version ha= d. = They might have been organized differently or in a separate subdirectory.= To look for a specific file within the Win98 cab files, get the cab file vie= wer utility which is available as part of the Microsoft PowerToys package. HTH, Rob = > George, > Thanks for your suggestion. I tried the system file checker and fixed a= number of supposedly corrupted files, but the error message remains. I t= ried editing the Registry to delete any reference to the missing file, but now= I just get the same error message without any reference to the actual name = of the missing file. I'm about ready to reformat using a stand alone copy o= f Win98. (I had to buy a copy in order to run the sfc program. It could n= ot find the necessary replacement files on my IBM restore CD or IBM Win98 up= grade CD). > Kevin > = ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 13:42:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19451 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09264; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:34:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09145; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from www200.image.dk (www200.image.dk [194.234.58.146]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09101; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dom00881 (45.ppp1-4.image.dk [195.24.5.237]) by www200.image.dk (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23131 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <015601be6992$97e40f40$ed0518c3@dom00881> From: "Fjerbaek+Banke" To: Subject: Restore CD Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:36:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: All this talk about using the restore CD to reinstall has made me = curious... I've never had the privilege of buing a new TP (but I'm working on it!), = so I haven't ever seen let alone tried a restore CD re-install. Does it = really work? I usually spend the better part of an evening with win95 and a truckload = of downloaded diskettes with drivers, and as I reinstall about once = every two-three months, it would be nice to just insert a CD, run a = program and lean back for a while. Any experiences on the restore CD for the 600's especially? Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 13:57:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19637 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11376; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:52:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11266; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11228; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26107; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Fjerbaek+Banke cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Restore CD In-Reply-To: <015601be6992$97e40f40$ed0518c3@dom00881> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: Speaking about the restore CD, is it possible to just reinstall certain things like pre-loaded software apps over the existing data instead of rewriting over everything? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > All this talk about using the restore CD to reinstall has made me curious... > > I've never had the privilege of buing a new TP (but I'm working on it!), so I haven't ever seen let alone tried a restore CD re-install. Does it really work? > > I usually spend the better part of an evening with win95 and a truckload of downloaded diskettes with drivers, and as I reinstall about once every two-three months, it would be nice to just insert a CD, run a program and lean back for a while. > > Any experiences on the restore CD for the 600's especially? > > Peter > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 14:35:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20060 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14632; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:29:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14407; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from agaduluexchsrv1.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (tan7.ncr.com [192.127.94.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14386; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4C81@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> From: "Sekura, Bart" To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: [TPi1720] suspend problems Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:28:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My machine is Thinkpad iSeries 1720, PII266, 64MB, 4.3GB, 13.3" running Win98. Anybody used second battery? Does it actually last as long as 8hrs with two batteries? Thanks, -Bart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 15:11:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20383 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18154; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:05:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17972; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (gatem02.netusa1.net [205.139.170.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17929; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (indyk234.netusa1.net [205.139.170.234]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA04117 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:05:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308150756.008228c0@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:07:56 -0500 To: From: Roger Grady Subject: RE: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options In-Reply-To: <003801be698b$c0b153d0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <19990308044121.560.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:47 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: >> How come the prices for IBM's travelstar hard drives are extremely >> lower than the drives IBM lists as IBM Options? >> >IBM Options drives come premounted in whatever mounting shell or bracket is >required for your computer. Travelstar drives are the bare, generic 2.5" >drive only, so you have to reuse your existing shell or buy one from Bill >Morrow or other sources. > >The actual drive mechanism is identical. I'm wondering if there's more to this than just the mounting shell. I've been looking for a larger drive for my 365ED. IBM offers a 1.4gb for about $280. I found a 3.2GB Travelstar for $167, but according to the IBM web site the mounting holes for the Travelstar are in a different location than my existing drive. My 365ED mounting shell requires screw holes in the edge of the drive, about 40mm apart. The Travelstar has screw holes only in the broad face of the drive, near the corners. I don't see any way this drive could be mounted in my 365ED. Even if I drilled holes in one half of the mounting shell, the shell is a 2 piece affair which is held together by the screws into the edge of the drive. Toshiba doesn't seem to have mechanical data on their web site. Anybody know if any of their drives have edge mounting holes? Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 16:07:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21038 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21989; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:00:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21750; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21720; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19549 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:00:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19488 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:00:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990308155937.00bbf840@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:59:37 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Restore CD In-Reply-To: <015601be6992$97e40f40$ed0518c3@dom00881> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:36 PM 3/8/99 +0100, Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: >Any experiences on the restore CD for the 600's especially? > Yup - worked fine on my 600 preloaded with NT. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 16:18:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21172 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22864; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22667; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22620; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16464 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17966 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE697D.DAFC5130@ntmail.doble.com>; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Roger Grady'" Subject: RE: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:08:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I managed to put a large drive into a 365ED but it is not pretty. I had to drill new holes best I could then used tape to hold the assembly together. It would be better to fabricate another holder. You have to replicate the tabs fastened on the holder so you can get the drive in and out. As far as I know all drives over 2 gigs (I think) have the new mounting hole pattern. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Roger Grady [SMTP:k9opo@netusa1.net] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 3:08 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options I'm wondering if there's more to this than just the mounting shell. I've been looking for a larger drive for my 365ED. IBM offers a 1.4gb for about $280. I found a 3.2GB Travelstar for $167, but according to the IBM web site the mounting holes for the Travelstar are in a different location than my existing drive. My 365ED mounting shell requires screw holes in the edge of the drive, about 40mm apart. The Travelstar has screw holes only in the broad face of the drive, near the corners. I don't see any way this drive could be mounted in my 365ED. Even if I drilled holes in one half of the mounting shell, the shell is a 2 piece affair which is held together by the screws into the edge of the drive. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 17:25:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22003 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29070; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:20:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28924; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28879; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-19.gate.net [199.227.20.82]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA08856; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: <36E44D0E.D96744F7@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:19:58 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lyle berman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770z availability References: <011101be6988$e97a7ce0$0c5f14ac@lyle.mxn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: could be any day.. last i heard, there was a part shortage.. lyle berman wrote: > anyone know anything about when the 770z series is coming out? > thanks, > -lyle > lyle@interport.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 17:29:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22053 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28864; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:18:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28606; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28560; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-19.gate.net [199.227.20.82]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA321678; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <36E44C80.F7E151FD@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:17:36 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul R. Remlinger" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options References: <19990308044121.560.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. the drive is the same.. no difference, except for the 8.1gig, 17mm drive.. which has a different head/STT/Cly geometry from the OEM drive.. Paul R. Remlinger wrote: > How come the prices for IBM's travelstar hard drives are extremely > lower than the drives IBM lists as IBM Options? > > For example, I own a ThinkPad 385XD and recently have been looking > into buying a larger drive for my computer. According to IBM's > website, they offer a 6.4GB Option for my computer (part #02K0518). > This drive sells for over $700 (at least everywhere that I've > checked). However, if you visit www.ibm.com/storage you will find a > TravelStar 6GT DADA-26480 (6.4GB drive with comparable stats) that is > selling for around $240. What's going on with that? Am I missing > something? > > Well, if anyone could offer me some insight into this matter, I'd > greatly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > Paul Remlinger > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 17:30:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22069 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29505; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:22:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29319; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29299; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-19.gate.net [199.227.20.82]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA157042; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: <36E44D95.9F5DE1AE@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:22:13 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pickles CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: command.com References: <199903072106.QAA02905@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: most likely command.com is missing from your root directory.. find it in the windows directory and copy it to the root directory.. a potentially bigger problem is where it went in the first place.. :-) pickles wrote: > I just turned on my computer, and I can't load win95, asking for command > interpreter command.com? What can I do? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 19:48:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23593 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07663; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:40:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07425; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07407; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id RAA25489; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:40:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:40:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903090040.RAA25489@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 w/external projector HELP! List-Unsubscribe: Just picked up an InFocus LP225 projector to use for presentations with my Thinkpad 600E. I'm having a weird problem... The LP225 supports 800x600 and compressed XGA. The Thinkpad supports 1024x768 and stretched 800x600. When I use the TP600 with a monitor, I can switch to 800x600 and the image remains sharp. Same with 1024x768. When I use the TP600 with the projector in 800x600 mode, I get an exact mirror of what's on my screen (ie. bit stretched 800x600). Using it in 1024x768 XGA compressed yields a rough but good looking image. Using a laptop with native 800x600 support makes a razor sharp projected image, so I know the projector is ok. Seems strange that it would work for the TP600 on a CRT, but not on a projector. Any ideas on what I might do to get the external video to work right? -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 20:27:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24064 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11430; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:23:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11241; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11222; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-089.usc.edu [128.125.224.89]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA20162; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:23:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990308171754.00a9f6e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:23:27 -0800 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP600 w/external projector HELP! In-Reply-To: <199903090040.RAA25489@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:40 PM 3/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >Just picked up an InFocus LP225 projector to use for presentations >with my Thinkpad 600E. I'm having a weird problem... >When I use the TP600 with the projector in 800x600 mode, I get an >exact mirror of what's on my screen (ie. bit stretched 800x600). >Using it in 1024x768 XGA compressed yields a rough but good looking >image. > >Using a laptop with native 800x600 support makes a razor sharp >projected image, so I know the projector is ok. Seems strange that it >would work for the TP600 on a CRT, but not on a projector. > >Any ideas on what I might do to get the external video to work right? Hint: Its the projector, not the TP. I hook up my TP 600 to a different projector perhaps 5 or more times every month--its the nature of my work and I travel about with my TP and give presentations hooked up to that group's projector. Whenever I have had a problem, in no case have I ever found the problem to be my TP, which has always worked flawlessly. Its always the projector. The problem you speak of sounds like the projector is in back-mode (it probably has a function where it can project >from the *back* of a screen and be seen in the correct way. I even had one projector that *refused* to work unless I put the TP in "Video Out Only" mode. The stupid thing would *not* allow me to work on-screen in simultaneous mode. It was the weirdest thing...I do simultaneous all the time with other projectors. - Randy Whittle --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Marketspace Strategy Consultant From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 01:53:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27015 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02375; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:49:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02113; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (mail-gw3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02075; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:49:14 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from p350 (ppp-209-184-83-66.hstntx.swbell.net [209.184.83.66]) by mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19853; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:49:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001a01be69f8$3b76cd40$4253b8d1@p350> To: "Albert C. Lee" , Subject: Re: TP600 w/external projector HELP! Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:44:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: The problem is with the way InFocus handles the video. If you have an SVGA projector and drive it with an XGA signal, InFocus drops certain rows and columns (a kludgy way of mapping) in order to get the image down to 800x600. That's why it looks funny. Actually, how it looks depends on what you are projecting. Something like PowerPoint without a lot of detail will work much better than Excel with lots of detail. CRT's can handle different resolutions so either SVGA or XGA will look fine. This is why it is important to match the video res on the notebook with the res of the projector. To have a crisp projected image, you'll have to do one of two things: switch your TP to SVGA when you use the projector, or go buy an XGA projector. -----Original Message----- From: Albert C. Lee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 6:41 PM Subject: TP600 w/external projector HELP! >Just picked up an InFocus LP225 projector to use for presentations >with my Thinkpad 600E. I'm having a weird problem... > >The LP225 supports 800x600 and compressed XGA. The Thinkpad supports >1024x768 and stretched 800x600. > >When I use the TP600 with a monitor, I can switch to 800x600 and the >image remains sharp. Same with 1024x768. > >When I use the TP600 with the projector in 800x600 mode, I get an >exact mirror of what's on my screen (ie. bit stretched 800x600). >Using it in 1024x768 XGA compressed yields a rough but good looking >image. > >Using a laptop with native 800x600 support makes a razor sharp >projected image, so I know the projector is ok. Seems strange that it >would work for the TP600 on a CRT, but not on a projector. > >Any ideas on what I might do to get the external video to work right? > >-Al > > >-- >Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com >(c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 05:24:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA28255 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20932; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:20:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20157; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from uldns2.unil.ch (uldns2.unil.ch [130.223.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19888; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 05:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcibcm130b.unil.ch ([130.223.201.96] helo=thinkpad) by uldns2.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10KJbX-0000aD-00; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:19:15 +0100 Reply-To: From: "epralong" To: Subject: TP background bitmaps Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:19:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be6a16$40ec3800$60c9df82@thinkpad.unil.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I have reinstalled Windows NT on my thinkpad 600 and as a result Have lost all the nice bitmaps images from IBM. Can somebody send me a zip file with the *.bmp file ? Thanks, Etienne Pralong Epralong@ibcm.unil.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 08:44:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29350 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09764; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:40:38 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08984; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA28165 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd104.hotmail.com [207.82.252.168]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14555; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4644 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 18:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990304183859.4643.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.92.194.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:38:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.92.194.80] From: "Mark Houlihan" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: looking for TP770 p200 or 233 in UK Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:38:59 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to buy one of these machines if yuo have one for sale? Mark. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 08:45:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29366 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10165; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:41:32 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09140; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA28186 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25894; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA13981; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:19:45 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA19013; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:19:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:19:44 -0500 (EST) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Can you give me the reference for this? I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that you measured. On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... Yong Whang > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 08:47:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29378 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10538; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:43:01 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09492; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA28245 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14227; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:27:42 -0500 Sender: rob_bell@cscmail.csc.com Received: from cscmail.csc.com (chi-qbu-nvn-vty237.as.wcom.net [209.154.112.237]) by dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id WAA15074; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:27:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E343AB.D6F9CBE6@cscmail.csc.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 21:27:39 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pickles CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: command.com References: <199903072106.QAA02905@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: pickles wrote: > > I just turned on my computer, and I can't load win95, asking for command > interpreter command.com? What can I do? It depends on what the actual problem is. I'll describe a few scenarios (-) and solutions (+): - Command.com got deleted + From another PC running the same version of Windows, copy Command.com and transfer it to the faulty system via floppy (bootable floppy). Install it in the root directory and reboot. If you don't have another PC with the same version of Windows, you can probably extract the file >from the Win95 installation media. See the Microsoft support site for details of single file extraction (support.microsoft.com). - Your PC has a virus that disabled/corrupted/removed Command.com or the boot sector of the disk. + Depending on your virus scanning software, boot with its recovery disk and allow it to fix things. You still might need to copy a valid version of Command.com from another PC. - You've done something bad to the disk format, partition setup, or boot record. + Entirely situation specific, but this would probably only happen if you've been playing around with formatting, partitioning, other O/S installs, etc., and then you should have a fair idea of what went wrong. - Something else about the files on your disk has changed. The \windows, \windows\command, or \windows\system directory might have been deleted, moved, or made 'hidden'. + Boot with a floppy disk and reverse the problem. If you can't tell what the problem is, then you might need to reinstall Win95. This usually necessitates re-installing all software applications as well, but in some cases you don't have to if your existing registry can be preserved. Hopefully one of these scenarios matches your problem. At least you have another PC to use to help fix the situation. That is always a big help. Good luck! Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 08:47:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29383 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10553; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:55 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09461; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA28234 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.i1.net (root@mail1.i1.net [207.230.32.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11078; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from oma.com (pm3-5stl23.xtraport.net [209.74.139.23]) by mail1.i1.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28937 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:55:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36E32908.1B3D04EB@oma.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:34:00 -0600 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone gotten this to work? I've tried the suggestions mentioned on the Linksys page with no success. cardctl ident still shows "unsupported card" when I check it. Any suggestions? And now that IBM has promised some level of support for Linux, what are people's opinions of the chances of ever getting the ACP modem to work under Linux? Or the sound card? Since IBM has promised support for Linux on laptops, we at least have a fighting chance :) bab -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 09:31:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29696 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15166; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:29:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14842; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14808; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11447; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:28:39 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36E5301D.A74914A0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:28:46 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Button CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? References: <36E32908.1B3D04EB@oma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sound works fine on TP600 and TP770 in Linux. I use the commercial ($20 or $30) OSS driver from www.4front-tech.com. You can download a free trial copy. Full 16-bit full-duplex up to 48kHz. No need to boot Windows/DOS first and then warm boot Linux with LOADLIN like we used to have to do with Mwave audio in the TP760. I can probably dig up my OSS config (device selection, IRQ, DMA, etc.) that I use on my TP600, that I also believe works on a TP770. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 11:40:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01207 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00124; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:38:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29750; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (p57127.syspac.com [204.181.57.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29712; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10KPUV-0000yUC; Tue, 9 Mar 99 09:36 MST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 99 09:36 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: pickles@sound.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c List-Unsubscribe: My wife and I each have one. Both have 40MB of memory. One is running W95, the other has three OSs loaded: Linux 2.0.34, NT 4.0, and OS/2 Warp 4. David Jones ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pickles" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:25:43 -0800 I just purchased a used one, anyone using one on this list? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 12:26:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01797 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03207; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:25:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03050; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03034; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from seawesta-72.az.com (seawesta-72.az.com [204.201.18.72]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16099 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199903091724.JAA16099@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 99 09:30:14 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Restore CD List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:51:36 -0800 (PST), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Fjerbaek+Banke wrote: > > Speaking about the restore CD, is it possible to just reinstall >certain things like pre-loaded software apps over the existing data >instead of rewriting over everything? To my knowledge, the way it works, it just restores everything the way it was by just overlaying the drive image right onto the drive. So no...not that *I'M* aware of. Perhaps there is an undocumented feature?? I don't have a recovery CD for my 365XD, but one day I'll get a 2"to 3.5" drive adapter and use my tower to burn by own recovery CD with a CD burner and Drive Image. My $0.02 Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 12:41:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01949 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04522; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:40:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04341; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04236; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA21807 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:38:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199903091738.JAA21807@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 audio List-Unsubscribe: I'm using whatever came with Red Hat Linux 5.2 and it works fine. No need to use a commercial driver. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 12:46:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02040 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05118; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04987; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from agaduluexchsrv1.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (tan7.ncr.com [192.127.94.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04942; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4C89@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> From: "Sekura, Bart" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: ThinkPad iSeries 1720 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Anybody using this model? I'm curious about extending memory and adding a disk. Do I have to get those from IBM, or any compatibles will do? Thanks, -bart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 12:49:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02066 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05419; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:48:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05251; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05235; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20543; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:47:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Brian Button" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:47:51 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01be6a54$f3bc3eb0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E32908.1B3D04EB@oma.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Has anyone gotten this to work? I've tried the suggestions mentioned on > the Linksys page with no success. cardctl ident still shows > "unsupported card" when I check it. It's working fine here on a 600, but I wouldn't know about the 770X. I downloaded and built the new tulip.c as suggested on the Linksys site. This is working fine with the LinkSys CardBus and 16-bit 10/100 cards, as well as the 3CCFE575BT. The 3C574TX does not work. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 13:57:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02869 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10001; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:55:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09773; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09662; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-201.islandnet.com [139.142.112.201] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10KRd5-000OkFC for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: k9opo@netusa1.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:21:40 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <19990308044121.560.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990308150756.008228c0@mail.netusa1.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990308150756.008228c0@mail.netusa1.net> Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a 6.4 GB Travelstar DADA drive for my 701. The holes are indeed in different places, and I (carefully) drilled two new holes in my caddy. Had I known that in advance, I would have bought a new caddy. :>IBM Options drives come premounted in whatever mounting shell or bracket is :>required for your computer. Travelstar drives are the bare, generic 2.5" :>drive only, so you have to reuse your existing shell or buy one from Bill :>Morrow or other sources. :> :>The actual drive mechanism is identical. : :I'm wondering if there's more to this than just the mounting shell. I've :been looking for a larger drive for my 365ED. IBM offers a 1.4gb for about :$280. I found a 3.2GB Travelstar for $167, but according to the IBM web :site the mounting holes for the Travelstar are in a different location than :my existing drive. My 365ED mounting shell requires screw holes in the edge :of the drive, about 40mm apart. The Travelstar has screw holes only in the :broad face of the drive, near the corners. Mine had two on the side. The caddy holds OK with two screws. The older drives had four screw holes on the side. :I don't see any way this drive :could be mounted in my 365ED. Even if I drilled holes in one half of the :mounting shell, the shell is a 2 piece affair which is held together by the :screws into the edge of the drive. : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 16:34:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05122 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20215; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:29:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20025; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.divms.uiowa.edu (server.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.165]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20010; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.divms.uiowa.edu with id PAA18141 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:28:58 -0600 (CST) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199903092128.PAA18141@server.divms.uiowa.edu> Subject: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:28:51 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hiya I've got an IBM Thinkpad 560x with Redhat 5.1 (2.0.34). I can get Suspend (Fn-4) and Hibernate (Fn-12) to work for the most part, HOWEVER if I suspend the machine the drive doesn't always stay off. If I close the lid or hit Fn-4 the screen goes off and the disk spins down. A few seconds later I can hear the disk spinning up again which then leads to my battery power draining. Plus I'm not really keen on hauling the machine around with the disk spinning. Anyone have a similar experience or can suggest something to check so that the suspends 'sticks'? Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak - We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that "justice too long delayed is justice denied." Marting Luther King 1963 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 17:13:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05658 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22518; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:08:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22385; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22372; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16737; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:08:02 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36E59BCA.B4A615E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:08:10 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: <199903092128.PAA18141@server.divms.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If your disk spins up, you are not truly suspended or hibernated. You are in standby. Suspend fails for me (i.e., becomes just standby) if I am both attached to AC and have a network card in. If either isn't true, my suspend works and persists until I wake it up. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 17:54:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06231 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24418; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:44:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24282; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24266; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31031 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:44:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up In-Reply-To: <36E59BCA.B4A615E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > If your disk spins up, you are not truly suspended or hibernated. You > are in standby. Look through your log files - I think the pcmcia services writes messages to /var/log/messages and that'll tell you what it's trying to do and whether it succeeded or not. > Suspend fails for me (i.e., becomes just standby) if I am both attached > to AC and have a network card in. If either isn't true, my suspend > works and persists until I wake it up. The same thing happens to my 560E. I fiddled around with some of the options in the APM code (I don't remember what anymore), and I can now suspend once (but only once) without it failing. Subsequent suspend attempts just put it into standby. I have to reboot to get back my one suspend. :-) I haven't tested it when on battery power (didn't occur to me that that might be a factor). One thing that I recall working is to explicitly shut down the PCMCIA slots, then suspend. Reactivating the slots and restarting the network services proved to be an insurmountable challenge given the little time I was able to devote to the problem. Since I don't really need my network card when I'm on the road with battery power, this wasn't really a crucial problem. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 19:03:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06989 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27669; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:54:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27485; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27383; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id PAA05897; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36E5B4B7.EB351F71@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:54:31 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: <199903092128.PAA18141@server.divms.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is not restricted to linux. It also happens to me under Win95. Sometimes when I suspend, then close the lid, it stays suspended, othertimes the drive spins up again. When this happens I just unsuspend and suspend again. Usually it stays off the second time. I have no idea why this happens, and it's annoying, but I've learnt to live with it - and Micro$oft in general. Benjamin Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Hiya > > I've got an IBM Thinkpad 560x with Redhat 5.1 (2.0.34). > > I can get Suspend (Fn-4) and Hibernate (Fn-12) to work for the most > part, HOWEVER if I suspend the machine the drive doesn't always stay > off. > > If I close the lid or hit Fn-4 the screen goes off and the disk spins > down. A few seconds later I can hear the disk spinning up again which > then leads to my battery power draining. Plus I'm not really keen on > hauling the machine around with the disk spinning. > > Anyone have a similar experience or can suggest something to check so > that the suspends 'sticks'? > > Thanks, > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > - > We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that > "justice too long delayed is justice denied." Marting Luther King 1963 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 19:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07005 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28072; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:01:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27983; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27951; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id QAA07895; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:00:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36E5B683.FD7EE57D@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:02:11 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I agree about the network card bit that others have posted on the list. What's weird is that sometimes my card shuts down and sometimes it doesn't - I have a dongle version so I can see the status lights. It's a 3com 3ccfe575bt, btw. So if you have another brand it would probably act differently. AFAIK the problem only occurs on AC. If I'm on battery power it always suspends properly. But I always listen to make sure the drive powers down anyway. Benjamin John Kim wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > If your disk spins up, you are not truly suspended or hibernated. You > > are in standby. > > Look through your log files - I think the pcmcia services > writes messages to /var/log/messages and that'll tell you what > it's trying to do and whether it succeeded or not. > > > Suspend fails for me (i.e., becomes just standby) if I am both attached > > to AC and have a network card in. If either isn't true, my suspend > > works and persists until I wake it up. > > The same thing happens to my 560E. I fiddled around with some > of the options in the APM code (I don't remember what > anymore), and I can now suspend once (but only once) without > it failing. Subsequent suspend attempts just put it into > standby. I have to reboot to get back my one suspend. :-) I > haven't tested it when on battery power (didn't occur to me > that that might be a factor). > > One thing that I recall working is to explicitly shut down the > PCMCIA slots, then suspend. Reactivating the slots and > restarting the network services proved to be an insurmountable > challenge given the little time I was able to devote to the > problem. Since I don't really need my network card when I'm > on the road with battery power, this wasn't really a crucial > problem. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 20:06:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07523 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00920; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:01:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00761; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00725; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17674; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:00:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E5C3E3.B2CC1B21@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:59:16 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: <36E5B683.FD7EE57D@leland.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I should have said that with AC and network both connected, suspend just turns into standby for me. However, if I remove either I can successfully suspend every time. Boy does Linux resume a lot faster than Win98! (Well, NT4 resumes a lot faster than Win98 too -- what is Win98 doing?!?) --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 20:35:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07741 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02226; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:26:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02118; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02081; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id RAA26417; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:26:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36E5CA82.7E08CE14@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:27:30 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Hetherington CC: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: <36E5B683.FD7EE57D@leland.stanford.edu> <36E5C3E3.B2CC1B21@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Win98 was specifically rewritten to reload *all* drivers during resume. This is supposedly more stable. Win95 does not do this, hence when you migrate from Win95 to Win98, suspend takes much, much longer. I couldn't stand it and went back to win95. As I said in a previous email, whether you can suspend while on the network probably depends on your NIC. I can *usually* suspend on both AC and network simultaneously. YMMV Benjamin Lee Hetherington wrote: > > I should have said that with AC and network both connected, suspend just > turns into standby for me. However, if I remove either I can > successfully suspend every time. > > Boy does Linux resume a lot faster than Win98! (Well, NT4 resumes a lot > faster than Win98 too -- what is Win98 doing?!?) > > --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 20:40:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07819 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02908; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:37:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02794; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongkok.pacific.net.hk (mongkok.pacific.net.hk [202.14.67.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02779; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsingyi.pacific.net.hk (tsingyi.pacific.net.hk [202.14.67.240]) by mongkok.pacific.net.hk with ESMTP id JAA25460; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:37:08 +0800 (HKT) Received: from hobbes (ppp157.dyn12.pacific.net.hk [202.64.12.157]) by tsingyi.pacific.net.hk with SMTP id JAA19710; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:37:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <003501be6a96$76bd2ae0$d512f103@hobbes> From: "William Hay" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Brian Button" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:36:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Lee: It would be great if you could make your OSS config available. I have been messing with commercial OSS for about six months and can't stop the feedback >from the mic. Thanks! Will ----- Original Message ----- From: I Lee Hetherington To: Brian Button Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Sent: March 9, 1999 10.28 pm Subject: Re: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? >Sound works fine on TP600 and TP770 in Linux. I use the commercial ($20 >or $30) OSS driver from www.4front-tech.com. You can download a free >trial copy. Full 16-bit full-duplex up to 48kHz. No need to boot >Windows/DOS first and then warm boot Linux with LOADLIN like we used to >have to do with Mwave audio in the TP760. > >I can probably dig up my OSS config (device selection, IRQ, DMA, etc.) >that I use on my TP600, that I also believe works on a TP770. > >--Lee Hetherington > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 21:45:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08457 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05939; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:40:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05796; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05781; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from earlbrya (209-142-33-117.stk.inreach.net [209.142.33.117]) by renown.cnchost.com (8.9.3/) id VAA16468; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:40:40 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.5] Message-ID: <199903100240.VAA16468@renown.cnchost.com> From: "Love and Jones Webmaster" Organization: Love and Jones Paralegal...The law is on yo To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:40:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Demise of the 1410i? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) List-Unsubscribe: I was looking for this TP at Cosco, and other haunts I visit. As of the last two months or so, it has been missing in action. When I went to the IBM TP website, I couldn't find it, but I could find it's more expensive sibling (I1420, 1460, etc.). What gives? Duke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 22:19:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08763 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07791; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:16:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07699; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07684; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic90.fbtc.net [204.2.11.90]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA08765; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:16:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00fe01be6aa3$c8260160$e972c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Fjerbaek+Banke" , Subject: Re: Restore CD Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:12:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've only used the restore CD on my 385ED. If I remember right, there were no options. I let it run for quite a long time and it left my system set up like it came from the factory. I did it the day I got the computer since it was a floor model and I wanted a fresh start. I just let it run till it was finished and everything worked perfectly. I think the newer ones let you be more selective. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Fjerbaek+Banke To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: Restore CD All this talk about using the restore CD to reinstall has made me curious... I've never had the privilege of buing a new TP (but I'm working on it!), so I haven't ever seen let alone tried a restore CD re-install. Does it really work? I usually spend the better part of an evening with win95 and a truckload of downloaded diskettes with drivers, and as I reinstall about once every two-three months, it would be nice to just insert a CD, run a program and lean back for a while. Any experiences on the restore CD for the 600's especially? Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 22:27:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08859 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08368; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:23:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08225; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08193; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic90.fbtc.net [204.2.11.90]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09453; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:19:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <013901be6aa4$301f6fe0$e972c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Roger Grady" , Subject: Re: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:14:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: When I got my 365XD some time back it came with an 810 meg hd. I bought a used 2.1 gig drive and had it installed at a local used computer stuff store. They charged $200 for the drive and installation. It only took a few minutes. It's worked fine ever since. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Roger Grady To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:07 PM Subject: RE: IBM TravelStar Drives vs. IBM Options >At 09:47 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: >>> How come the prices for IBM's travelstar hard drives are extremely >>> lower than the drives IBM lists as IBM Options? >>> > > >>IBM Options drives come premounted in whatever mounting shell or bracket is >>required for your computer. Travelstar drives are the bare, generic 2.5" >>drive only, so you have to reuse your existing shell or buy one from Bill >>Morrow or other sources. >> >>The actual drive mechanism is identical. > >I'm wondering if there's more to this than just the mounting shell. I've >been looking for a larger drive for my 365ED. IBM offers a 1.4gb for about >$280. I found a 3.2GB Travelstar for $167, but according to the IBM web >site the mounting holes for the Travelstar are in a different location than >my existing drive. My 365ED mounting shell requires screw holes in the edge >of the drive, about 40mm apart. The Travelstar has screw holes only in the >broad face of the drive, near the corners. I don't see any way this drive >could be mounted in my 365ED. Even if I drilled holes in one half of the >mounting shell, the shell is a 2 piece affair which is held together by the >screws into the edge of the drive. > >Toshiba doesn't seem to have mechanical data on their web site. Anybody >know if any of their drives have edge mounting holes? > >Roger Grady > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 9 22:33:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08935 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08959; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:30:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08779; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08760; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id TAA12236 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36E5E78A.F3748CBA@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:31:22 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Restore CD References: <00fe01be6aa3$c8260160$e972c998@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 560X's restore CD consisted of just several .IMZ (.zip format) files that contained the software. I was able to extract the files with pkunzip 2.04g, and it worked perfectly - if your restore CD is like this you do not need to reformat and use the restore program/batch file. Benjamin Barry Marks wrote: > > I've only used the restore CD on my 385ED. If I remember right, there were > no options. I let it run for quite a long time and it left my system set up > like it came from the factory. I did it the day I got the computer since it > was a floor model and I wanted a fresh start. > > I just let it run till it was finished and everything worked perfectly. > > I think the newer ones let you be more selective. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fjerbaek+Banke > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 12:36 PM > Subject: Restore CD > > All this talk about using the restore CD to reinstall has made me curious... > > I've never had the privilege of buing a new TP (but I'm working on it!), so > I haven't ever seen let alone tried a restore CD re-install. Does it really > work? > > I usually spend the better part of an evening with win95 and a truckload of > downloaded diskettes with drivers, and as I reinstall about once every > two-three months, it would be nice to just insert a CD, run a program and > lean back for a while. > > Any experiences on the restore CD for the 600's especially? > > Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 01:55:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10954 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18352; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18233; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18218; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id WAA07173; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:50:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Albert C. Lee" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP600 w/external projector HELP! Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:50:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be6ac2$42287560$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990308171754.00a9f6e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Along the lines of what you're saying, Randy, I've found that the TP600 outputs an XGA signal any time the LCD is still active, as the physical resolution of the LCD is always 1024x768. Therefore, even if you switch the resolution on the LCD to 800x600, the actual signal on the external output is still 1024x768 XGA, containing a black border with only the middle 800x600 filled. Some projectors seem intelligent enough to compensate. Most that I've used really require me to switch the LCD off in order to deliver a true 800x600 SVGA output. I.e., the short answer is Fn-F7 to switch to monitor-only when using that particular projector. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 5:23 PM > To: Albert C. Lee; TP List > Subject: Re: TP600 w/external projector HELP! > > > At 05:40 PM 3/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Just picked up an InFocus LP225 projector to use for presentations > >with my Thinkpad 600E. I'm having a weird problem... > > >When I use the TP600 with the projector in 800x600 mode, I get an > >exact mirror of what's on my screen (ie. bit stretched 800x600). > >Using it in 1024x768 XGA compressed yields a rough but good looking > >image. > > > >Using a laptop with native 800x600 support makes a razor sharp > >projected image, so I know the projector is ok. Seems strange that it > >would work for the TP600 on a CRT, but not on a projector. > > > >Any ideas on what I might do to get the external video to work right? > > Hint: Its the projector, not the TP. > > I hook up my TP 600 to a different projector perhaps 5 or > more times every > month--its the nature of my work and I travel about with my TP and give > presentations hooked up to that group's projector. > > Whenever I have had a problem, in no case have I ever found > the problem to > be my TP, which has always worked flawlessly. > > Its always the projector. The problem you speak of sounds like the > projector is in back-mode (it probably has a function where it can project > from the *back* of a screen and be seen in the correct way. > > I even had one projector that *refused* to work unless I > put the TP in > "Video Out Only" mode. The stupid thing would *not* allow me to work > on-screen in simultaneous mode. It was the weirdest thing...I do > simultaneous all the time with other projectors. > > - Randy Whittle > > --- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > Marketspace Strategy Consultant > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 02:24:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11295 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19461; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:21:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19344; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19331; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id XAA12936; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "Lee Hetherington" Cc: "John Kim" , Subject: RE: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:20:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be6ac6$82c3ee20$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E5CA82.7E08CE14@leland.stanford.edu> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Actually, I find that one of the major determinants of whether I can hibernate (I rarely use suspend or standby) is whether I have active connections on the network card. I can leave my network card (3CXFE575BT) active. So long as I'm not connected (particularly Microsoft networking resources being shared), Fn-F12 works fine. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:28 PM > To: Lee Hetherington > Cc: John Kim; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up > > > Win98 was specifically rewritten to reload *all* drivers during resume. > This is supposedly more stable. Win95 does not do this, hence when you > migrate from Win95 to Win98, suspend takes much, much longer. I couldn't > stand it and went back to win95. > > As I said in a previous email, whether you can suspend while on the > network probably depends on your NIC. I can *usually* suspend on both AC > and network simultaneously. > > YMMV > Benjamin > > Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > > I should have said that with AC and network both connected, suspend just > > turns into standby for me. However, if I remove either I can > > successfully suspend every time. > > > > Boy does Linux resume a lot faster than Win98! (Well, NT4 resumes a lot > > faster than Win98 too -- what is Win98 doing?!?) > > > > --Lee Hetherington > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 04:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11954 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23561; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:05:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23401; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23378; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08180; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Yong Whang cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't have that function. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Can you give me the reference for this? > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > you measured. > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 08:58:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13522 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10102; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:49:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09967; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09913; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-58.gate.net [199.227.20.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA321602; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:48:47 -0500 Message-ID: <36E67809.1CE8BCEF@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:47:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Etienne.Pralong@ibcm.unil.ch CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP background bitmaps References: <000101be6a16$40ec3800$60c9df82@thinkpad.unil.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there are several.. some are available from IBM's web site.. IMHO i don't care for them.. too politically correct and too distracting.. i personally use a blue or black background, or at worst, a version of the same IBM logo on your thinkpad.. if you know the exact name of the file you want, i'll see if i have it and send it along.. epralong wrote: > Hello All, > > I have reinstalled Windows NT on my thinkpad 600 and as a result > Have lost all the nice bitmaps images from IBM. > Can somebody send me a zip file with the *.bmp file ? > > Thanks, > > Etienne Pralong > > Epralong@ibcm.unil.ch -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:01:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13545 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10446; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:54:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10344; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10330; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-58.gate.net [199.227.20.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA391774; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:54:07 -0500 Message-ID: <36E6794B.DB723216@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:53:15 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Love and Jones Webmaster CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Demise of the 1410i? References: <199903100240.VAA16468@renown.cnchost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: competition, progress, etc. the life of some of these models is 4 months.. some - 6 months max.. some maybe less than the old 4 months.. who knows, the technology moves so FAST i'm getting dizzy.. :-) Love and Jones Webmaster wrote: > I was looking for this TP at Cosco, and other haunts I visit. As of the > last two months or so, it has been missing in action. When I went to > the IBM TP website, I couldn't find it, but I could find it's more > expensive sibling (I1420, 1460, etc.). What gives? > > Duke -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:10:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13617 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11402; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11253; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11223; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-58.gate.net [199.227.20.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA49168; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <36E67C23.54AF2485@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:05:23 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i must get the latest price today).. 760E series does not support SDRAM... Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > have that function. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > you measured. > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:13:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13638 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11745; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11582; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11568; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-58.gate.net [199.227.20.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA143886; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <36E67C8F.45E58985@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:07:11 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pickles CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c References: <199903062125.QAA27984@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: many people still use a 701C.. its a classic with lots of life left, AND good support.. pickles wrote: > I just purchased a used one, anyone using one on this list? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:14:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13653 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11942; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11697; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11610; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10444; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <36E67C23.54AF2485@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn > 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i > must get the latest price today).. > 760E series does not support SDRAM... > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > > have that function. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > > you measured. > > > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:20:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13720 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13053; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:16:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12727; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12492; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06426 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:16:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0129.uhc.com [168.183.199.93]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06411 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:16:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990310091504.00b9b100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:15:04 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Demise of the 1410i? In-Reply-To: <36E6794B.DB723216@icanect.net> References: <199903100240.VAA16468@renown.cnchost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:53 AM 3/10/99 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >competition, progress, etc. >the life of some of these models is 4 months.. some - 6 months max.. >some maybe less than the old 4 months.. who knows, the technology moves so >FAST i'm getting dizzy.. :-) > You and me both. We can hardly get the eval and scripting for our preload done for one model (desktop and notebook) before the next one is coming in the door. It's making us crazy. OK, crazier. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:22:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13733 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13471; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:19:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13334; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13261; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub1.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA26696; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:18:40 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id IAA44260; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:18:34 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199903101418.IAA44260@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:18:34 -0600 (CST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <36E59BCA.B4A615E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> from "I Lee Hetherington" at Mar 09, 1999 05:08:10 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, > Suspend fails for me (i.e., becomes just standby) if I am both attached > to AC and have a network card in. If either isn't true, my suspend > works and persists until I wake it up. I had observed this with respect to the network card. Maybe the power thing explains the other behaviour. Sometimes when I suspend I am indeed still plugged into the AC. Other times I disconnect it before suspending, but perhaps I don't wait long enough for the system to realize it's back to battery power. I use xapm to show the battery status and there is always a small delay in showing the status going to/from AC/Battery. Not sure if this is a delay in xapm's status update, or that the system/apm takes a little bit of time to realize this. While I have your attention, do you know of a way to set some of the power management characteristics under Linux? I just discovered RediSafe (in my efforts to really get the machine suspend) but I could only set this up when I boot to Win95. Also, is there a way to set the inactivity time before the system suspends? This seems to happen also while I'm connected to the AC (or perhaps that's standby?). Thanks for your help, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 09:25:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13763 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14128; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:21:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13780; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13732; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA32124; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:21:13 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id IAA119724; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:21:12 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199903101421.IAA119724@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up To: benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Koh) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:21:12 -0600 (CST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <36E5B4B7.EB351F71@leland.stanford.edu> from "Benjamin Koh" at Mar 09, 1999 03:54:31 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Benjamin Koh writes: > > This is not restricted to linux. It also happens to me under Win95. > Sometimes when I suspend, then close the lid, it stays suspended, > othertimes the drive spins up again. When this happens I just unsuspend > and suspend again. Usually it stays off the second time. I have no idea > why this happens, and it's annoying, but I've learnt to live with it - > and Micro$oft in general. Hi Benjamin I've had problems with this for sure if I had a network card connected. Lee Harrington suggested that this may also be a problem if connected to the AC .. I'm going to check that out. Thanks for your message. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 10:16:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14143 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17236; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:12:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17084; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17043; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20971; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:11:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36E68BB0.71AC20D3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:11:44 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up References: <199903101418.IAA44260@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately, I don't believe you can manipulate power savings features >from Linux. That's one of my main uses of Win98 ;-) I believe you can download a DOS version of the ThinkPad Utility. Perhaps you can put this on a DOS floppy and boot that to change things without having to have Win9x on your disk. I thought I heard in this group that IBM may get serious about laptop support of Linux, including a ThinkPad Utility for Linux. I do not know if this is true. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 10:21:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14192 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17654; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:15:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17490; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17467; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21015; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:14:55 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36E68C77.D90DA2CD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:15:03 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Hay CC: Brian Button , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: (770x) Linksys EtherFast CardBus and Linux? References: <003501be6a96$76bd2ae0$d512f103@hobbes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Oh, I get the horrible feedback too. With a mixer (e.g., ossmix or tkmixer) you can zero the record volume and/or set the record source to line-in. This should get rid of the feedback. Also, with the OSS drivers, you can set up a soundon.user script to initialize the mixer whenever OSS starts (e.g., using ossmix command-line args). --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 10:21:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14198 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18018; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:17:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17876; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from app1.netzero.net ([209.14.79.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17842; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903101517.KAA17842@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 5400 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 1999 15:18:23 -0000 Received: from pppa34-resaleconcord1-5r1019.saturn.bbn.com (HELO chuck) (4.16.38.237) by 209.14.79.125 with SMTP; 10 Mar 1999 15:18:23 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:17:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FA: 701 hard drive w/caddy Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: FYI, I have a 360mb HD WITH SHELL for the 701 at auction on Ebay. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 10:34:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14324 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19209; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19052; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18990; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00585; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36E68BB0.71AC20D3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: I Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, esmail@uiowa.edu List-Unsubscribe: On 10-Mar-99 I Lee Hetherington extemporized: > Unfortunately, I don't believe you can manipulate power savings features > from Linux. That's one of my main uses of Win98 ;-) I believe you can > download a DOS version of the ThinkPad Utility. Perhaps you can put > this on a DOS floppy and boot that to change things without having to > have Win9x on your disk. That's correct - it's on IBM's website It's a bit cryptic, but it works. S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 10-Mar-99 Time: 07:31:35 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 12:30:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15669 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27015; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:23:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26767; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from astor.interport.net (astor.interport.net [199.184.165.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26740; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pritzr (usrts4p214.port.net [207.237.107.214]) by astor.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18427 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:24:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990310122123.00980ea0@pop.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:24:05 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: tp 570 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At first glance, the ThinkPad 570, which IBM (NYSE:IBM) plans to ship late next month, is a sub-7-pound notebook with a 13.3-inch active-matrix display, a floppy drive and a CD-ROM drive. But a user can pop out the core segment of the keyboard, pointing device and display to create a 3-and-a-half-pound mininotebook for travel, said a source who has seen the notebook. http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1014106,00.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 13:09:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16155 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29463; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:58:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29311; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29287; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from uke.uni-hamburg.de (planck.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.154]) by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA30666; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36E6B2DA.CD5CA56A@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:58:50 +0100 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:... tp560x keeps waking up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id MAA29463 Hi everybody, I just got this thread with the digest. Here=B4s what happens to my TP 560X (64MB) with Win95 OSR2 and a Xircom CEM 28.8/10BT combo: When on AC with the (idling) card inserted (unstopped), pressing Fn-F4 or closing the lid suspends, BUT after about five minutes the HD spins up again. However, using the Win start menu item for suspend mode works alright with or without closing the lid afterwards (?!). Hibernating using Fn-F12 only works after stopping the Xircom card (it doesn=B4t have to be removed, but must be stopped with the PCMCIA utility that I have in my system tray). BTW starting up after hibernation takes as long as booting, so I hardly ever use it, I shut down instead. I always found that quirky, but I learned to live with it... Just my 2c. Does anyone know what is supposed to work, and what isn=B4t? (I never bothered checking with IBM or MS.) Thorsten From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 14:03:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16778 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04133; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:47 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03801; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA08371 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad.mcs.net (IDENT:root@P16-Chi-Dial-8.pool.mcs.net [205.253.225.208]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07176; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by thinkpad.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA13277 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:02:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:02:55 -0600 From: "G . T . Francisco" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery discharging under Linux Message-ID: <19990309210255.A13114@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i List-Unsubscribe: Reply-To: I've got an IBM 760EL and I remember that in Windows there was a program that you could run to discharge the battery. Is there an equivalent under Linux? Thanks Guillermo From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 14:03:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16783 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04126; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:20 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03756; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA08355 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (IDENT:unIDENTified@Viola.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18756; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01J8MAIS1HE88Y5N57@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:01:50 MST Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:59:15 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-reply-to: "Your message dated Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:19:44 -0500 (EST)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01J8MAVITI4G8Y5N57@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: List-Unsubscribe: Yong Whang writes - > Can you give me the reference for this? > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > you measured. Take a look at www.anandtech.com or www.tomshardware.com - both have tons of chipset info, comparisons of them, etc... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 16:03:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18139 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11875; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:01:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11498; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11455; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from me [205.130.18.98] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADA0206902A6; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:01:20 EST Message-ID: <004c01be6b39$8d934760$621282cd@here.com> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 701 hibernation Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:04:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE6B0F.A450E900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE6B0F.A450E900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, If memory serves me correctly, this was talked about briefly = before..Anyways, I accidently enabled FAT32 support in Win95b(even = though my HD is only a 720mb) and of course, now i can't hibernate. I'd = like some input as to wether FAT32 is worth it on the 701-if there = really is a speed increase. It's no problem for me to do a disk image = and add a small FAT16 partition, but if it's not worth it I won't take = the time. Another thing-does this partition have to be the first = partition of the drive? I'v partitioned many times, but I'v never dealt = with hibernation.=20 Thanks for any help you may be able to offer. -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE6B0F.A450E900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there,
    If memory serves me correctly, = this was=20 talked about briefly before..Anyways, I accidently enabled FAT32 support = in=20 Win95b(even though my HD is only a 720mb) and of course, now i can't = hibernate.=20 I'd like some input as to wether FAT32 is worth it on the 701-if there = really is=20 a speed increase. It's no problem for me to do a disk image and add a = small=20 FAT16 partition, but if it's not worth it I won't take the time. Another = thing-does this partition have to be the first partition of the drive? = I'v=20 partitioned many times, but I'v never dealt with hibernation. =
Thanks for any help you may be able to = offer.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE6B0F.A450E900-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 18:41:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19682 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20216; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:39:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20010; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (p57048.syspac.com [204.181.57.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19997; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10KsYN-0000yoC; Wed, 10 Mar 99 16:38 MST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 16:38 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up List-Unsubscribe: Though slightly off topic, subscribers to this mailing list may be interested in the current issue (Jan/Feb) of IEEE Software which focuses on Linux. IBM, CA, Corel, Informix, to name some of the large companies are listed as moving their products to Linux. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:11:44 -0500 ... I thought I heard in this group that IBM may get serious about laptop support of Linux, including a ThinkPad Utility for Linux. I do not know if this is true. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 18:50:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19756 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20658; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:49:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20571; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20558; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-10.gate.net [199.227.173.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA110122; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <36E704E8.573DAE7@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:48:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 701 hibernation References: <004c01be6b39$8d934760$621282cd@here.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C930C91DB6846A483424ECB1" List-Unsubscribe: --------------C930C91DB6846A483424ECB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie.. all you need do is create a fat16 partition on the HDD.. at the end is fine.. then the bios will see it and use it for the hib file.. make it big enough for the hib file.. memory + video = hib size.. Slip wrote: > Hey there, If memory serves me correctly, this was talked about > briefly before..Anyways, I accidently enabled FAT32 support in > Win95b(even though my HD is only a 720mb) and of course, now i can't > hibernate. I'd like some input as to wether FAT32 is worth it on the > 701-if there really is a speed increase. It's no problem for me to do > a disk image and add a small FAT16 partition, but if it's not worth it > I won't take the time. Another thing-does this partition have to be > the first partition of the drive? I'v partitioned many times, but I'v > never dealt with hibernation.Thanks for any help you may be able to > offer.-Jamie -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------C930C91DB6846A483424ECB1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie..
all you need do is create a fat16 partition on the HDD.. at the end is fine..
then the bios will see it and use it for the hib file..
make it big enough for the hib file.. memory + video = hib size..

Slip wrote:

  Hey there,    If memory serves me correctly, this was talked about briefly before..Anyways, I accidently enabled FAT32 support in Win95b(even though my HD is only a 720mb) and of course, now i can't hibernate. I'd like some input as to wether FAT32 is worth it on the 701-if there really is a speed increase. It's no problem for me to do a disk image and add a small FAT16 partition, but if it's not worth it I won't take the time. Another thing-does this partition have to be the first partition of the drive? I'v partitioned many times, but I'v never dealt with hibernation.Thanks for any help you may be able to offer.-Jamie
 

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** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
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770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------C930C91DB6846A483424ECB1-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 18:52:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19784 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20979; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:51:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20854; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (p57048.syspac.com [204.181.57.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20830; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10Ksjn-00010CC; Wed, 10 Mar 99 16:50 MST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 16:50 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: jlk@innernet.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 hibernation List-Unsubscribe: The little FAT16 partition for hibernation can be anywhere. In my case, it is a logical partition (in the extended partition). David Jones ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Slip" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:04:13 -0500 ... Another thing-does this partition have to be the first partition of the drive? I'v partitioned many times, but I'v never dealt with hibernation. Thanks for any help you may be able to offer. -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 18:57:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19825 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21463; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21341; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21328; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-10.gate.net [199.227.173.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA70698; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <36E706AB.224B1882@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:56:27 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent.. YES, well maybe.. these machines support the 128meg part.. 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with > my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down > to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn > > 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i > > must get the latest price today).. > > 760E series does not support SDRAM... > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > > > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > > > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > > > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > > > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > > > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > > > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > > > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > > > have that function. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > > > you measured. > > > > > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > > a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 19:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19892 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22229; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:03:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22108; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22090; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from me [205.130.18.98] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A86DE95E014A; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:03:57 EST Message-ID: <008d01be6b53$16e4bee0$621282cd@here.com> From: "Slip" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: 701 hibernation Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:07:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Great, I'll go at it tonight. I'v got 24mb of ram, and that's the exact setting that my hib file size is set on...I guess I should set it to 36 to be on the safe side. Thanks again for the help! -Jamie >Jamie.. >all you need do is create a fat16 partition on the HDD.. at the end is fine.. >then the bios will see it and use it for the hib file.. >make it big enough for the hib file.. memory + video = hib size.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 19:15:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20006 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23001; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22876; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22821; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:13:48 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" CC: "Yong Whang" , Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: <01be6b54$513f9960$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: But it will not solve your problem !!!!! "Resources " is all contained in a tiny 128K block of memory . It doesn't matter if you have 8MB of Ram or 1Gbyte ...... You will still have the same problem . ;-{ ..peter... Damn Bloated Browsers.....;-} > > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with >my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down >to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 10 22:39:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21884 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03409; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:37:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03224; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03209; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-58.gate.net [199.227.20.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA237000; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:37:52 -0500 Message-ID: <36E73A5B.5275E180@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:36:59 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 701 hibernation References: <008d01be6b53$16e4bee0$621282cd@here.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 24meg + 1 meg = 25meg or the next closest size.. i use PQ Magic to manipulate things.. i suppose fdisk will work just as well, but please be careful.. :-) Slip wrote: > Great, I'll go at it tonight. I'v got 24mb of ram, and that's the exact > setting that my hib file size is set on...I guess I should set it to 36 to > be on the safe side. > Thanks again for the help! > -Jamie > > >Jamie.. > >all you need do is create a fat16 partition on the HDD.. at the end is > fine.. > >then the bios will see it and use it for the hib file.. > >make it big enough for the hib file.. memory + video = hib size.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 04:04:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24591 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14972; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:02:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14704; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14670; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17183; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP cc: Bill Morrow , Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <01be6b54$513f9960$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: That isn't true... If that was the case, then my desktop which had the same problem at 80 megs of ram, the problem was gone after I upgraded to 192 megs. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > But it will not solve your problem !!!!! > "Resources " is all contained in a tiny 128K block of memory . > It doesn't matter if you have 8MB of Ram or 1Gbyte ...... > You will still have the same problem . ;-{ > > ..peter... > > Damn Bloated Browsers.....;-} > > > > > > > > > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with > >my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down > >to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 04:05:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24598 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14987; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:01:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14448; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14421; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17160; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <36E706AB.224B1882@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, What about for the 2635-5EU? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent.. > YES, well maybe.. > these machines support the 128meg part.. > 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with > > my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down > > to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn > > > 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i > > > must get the latest price today).. > > > 760E series does not support SDRAM... > > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > > > > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > > > > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > > > > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > > > > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > > > > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > > > > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > > > > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > > > > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > > > > have that function. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > > > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > > > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > > > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > > > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > > > > you measured. > > > > > > > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > > > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > > > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > > > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > > > > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > > > a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 11:35:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27517 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08592; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:32:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08330; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08197; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id IAA13512 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:28:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990311074929.00c843a0@shell9.ba.best.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990311074929.00c843a0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:52:12 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <36E706AB.224B1882@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:56 PM 3/10/99 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Vincent.. >YES, well maybe.. >these machines support the 128meg part.. >380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU Bill: Sorry to do this, but what is the source of your information? According to the IBM web site the 2635-Hxx and 2635-Jxx models are limited to 96MB. I would love to have installed the 128MB RAM (for a total of 150MB in my system) but could not find any official information to indicate that more than 96MB would work. -- /=================================================================\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 11:36:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27533 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08793; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:35:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08662; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (jones@p57013.syspac.com [204.181.57.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08618; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA02086; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:34:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:34:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199903111634.JAA02086@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: stables@cnw.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 modem under Win95 List-Unsubscribe: You may have solved your problem by now but for what it's worth, I have had no trouble with the 701 internal modem under Linux, NT, OS/2, or W95. I don't even bother changing the profile and just use the factory default. My guess is an incorrect AT string when starting DUN. When my other half returns, I will check her 701 which is running W95. By the way, ATI4, ATI5, ATI6, and ATI7 are unused and will give "ERROR". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vicky Stables Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:54:34 -0800 ... Thanks Bill, but it doesn't. Easy setup? If I run the modem diagnostics test after a cold boot it runs OK. I do get ERROR for ATI4,5,6&7 but have no clue what that means or if it really indicates a problem. Maybe someone with a 701 could try it and see what you get. The *first* time after a cold boot that I try to connect it will dial, connect and immediately hang up. After that, I get no dial tone in any program or operating system and it can't even run the diagnostics until I do another power off cold boot. Under OS/2, I can dial, connect, hangup, redial, connect as many times as I want. Also, I can dial from hyper terminal under Win95 and that seems to work, until I try Dial-Up Networking. Vicky -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 11:49:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27743 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09762; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:45:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09470; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (p57045.syspac.com [204.181.57.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09441; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10L8Yb-000112C; Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:43 MST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 99 09:43 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: stables@cnw.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 modem under Win95 List-Unsubscribe: You may have solved your problem by now but for what it's worth, I have had no trouble with the 701 internal modem under Linux, NT, OS/2, or W95. I don't even bother changing the profile and just use the factory default. My guess is an incorrect AT string when starting DUN. When my other half returns, I will check her 701 which is running W95. By the way, ATI4, ATI5, ATI6, and ATI7 are unused and will give "ERROR". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vicky Stables Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:54:34 -0800 ... Thanks Bill, but it doesn't. Easy setup? If I run the modem diagnostics test after a cold boot it runs OK. I do get ERROR for ATI4,5,6&7 but have no clue what that means or if it really indicates a problem. Maybe someone with a 701 could try it and see what you get. The *first* time after a cold boot that I try to connect it will dial, connect and immediately hang up. After that, I get no dial tone in any program or operating system and it can't even run the diagnostics until I do another power off cold boot. Under OS/2, I can dial, connect, hangup, redial, connect as many times as I want. Also, I can dial from hyper terminal under Win95 and that seems to work, until I try Dial-Up Networking. Vicky -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 15:55:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01606 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23634; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:27:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22062; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.als.edu (mail.als.edu [207.127.52.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21842; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ALSMAIN-Message_Server by mail.als.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:23:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:23:25 -0500 From: "Nancy Ota" To: Subject: TP 700 and TP 701/Win95 questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: 1. Can I swap the hard drive from a TP700C into a TP720C? 2. I have a pcmcia modem in my 701 running W95. When I boot my TP, Windows = loads the internal 701 modem even though I have it turned off with the IBM = setup. Is there a way to stop W95 from loading the modem and if not, can = I just ignore it or should I go into my windows settings and remove the = modem after it loads? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 22:18:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05813 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13151; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:16:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12935; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12914; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a251.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.251]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16117 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903120316.WAA16117@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a251.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.251] 209.198.80.251 Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:16:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:27:15 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SXGA Screen Experience X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Now that the SXGA screens have been around for a few months on some 770 models, can anyone tell us if it is worth the cost (and wait for other models), etc. I haven't seen anything that would indicate it will be used on other models, but the $600 cost of the TP600E over the competition makes me wonder if maybe the price is being kept up there because something that will really differentiate the product is coming. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 22:54:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06037 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14840; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:53:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14719; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14683; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-66.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA34230; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <36E88F7F.9E6FB348@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:52:31 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SXGA Screen Experience References: <199903120316.WAA16117@garnet.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Suggest that you buy the cheaper machine, then tell us here if you are satisified.. you may be happy or maybe not.. you may get the same support or maybe not.. the machine may have the same fit, finish and engineering, or maybe not.. but, most likely, it will be using an IBM hard drive.. reality is, you get what you pay for.. IMO the SXGA display is terrific, for me, at least.. i want the real estate.. in fact, i use TWO IBM 9516 flat panel displays on one of my desk type boxes, because i want the real estate.. and as soon as win98 will allow me to use three, reliably, i will.. :-) so, all in all, if you want the real estate, the SXGA display is the one.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > Now that the SXGA screens have been around for a few months on some 770 > models, can anyone tell us if it is worth the cost (and wait for other > models), etc. > > I haven't seen anything that would indicate it will be used on other > models, but the $600 cost of the TP600E over the competition makes me > wonder if maybe the price is being kept up there because something that > will really differentiate the product is coming. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 22:58:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06075 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15191; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15074; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15059; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-66.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA124930; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36E8908C.20586011@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:57:00 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nancy Ota CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 700 and TP 701/Win95 questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nancy.. Nancy Ota wrote: > 1. Can I swap the hard drive from a TP700C into a TP720C? no, for several reasons..1. wrong interface, 2. too thick, 3. you won't want to since even if you could, it is only 120meg or 170meg max.. way too small by todays standards.. > 2. I have a pcmcia modem in my 701 running W95. When I boot my TP, Windows loads the internal 701 modem even though I have it turned off with the IBM setup. Is there a way to stop W95 from loading the modem and if not, can I just ignore it or should I go into my windows settings and remove the modem after it loads? not easy, i'm not sure if it is possible, but what IS possible, make a hardware profile that does not use the 701 modem... i do use a pcmcia modem in one of my 701's, but i need to refresh my memory to see exactly what i did.. :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 23:01:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06118 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15539; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:00:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15390; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15362; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-66.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA373004; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <36E890FF.8B741360@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:58:55 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent... if it is not listed, then i think not.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > What about for the 2635-5EU? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent.. > > YES, well maybe.. > > these machines support the 128meg part.. > > 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with > > > my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down > > > to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn > > > > 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i > > > > must get the latest price today).. > > > > 760E series does not support SDRAM... > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > > > > > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > > > > > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > > > > > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > > > > > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > > > > > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > > > > > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > > > > > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > > > > > have that function. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > > > > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > > > > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > > > > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > > > > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > > > > > you measured. > > > > > > > > > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > > > > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > > > > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > > > > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > > > > > > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > > > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > > > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > > > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > > > > a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 23:04:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06140 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15902; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:03:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15772; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15674; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23571; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:02:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:02:09 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Yong Whang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <36E890FF.8B741360@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hmm, what other options do I have? Does the windows resources have anything to do with virtual memory? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent... > > if it is not listed, then i think not.. > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > What about for the 2635-5EU? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Vincent.. > > > YES, well maybe.. > > > these machines support the 128meg part.. > > > 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > What about on the 385ED since I already have 80 megs but with > > > > my 2 MSIE 5 and 1 Netscape 4.5 window, the Win98 resource meter goes down > > > > to 15% available resources, is there anyway to go above 80 megs? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > the only way to go to more than 80megs in the 760E series is to get the Apricorn > > > > > 32meg DIMM carrier.. i've not sold one of those for a while (until yesterday, so i > > > > > must get the latest price today).. > > > > > 760E series does not support SDRAM... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Yong Whang wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to look at the Intel site where the technical specs for > > > > > > the chipset is... I don't remember the exact location but I know it's > > > > > > there. SDRAM and EDO doesn't really do anything much since the cache is > > > > > > more efficient since there has always been Level 2 cache. Except that the > > > > > > old one was Asynchronous while the new ones are Synchronous. I think you > > > > > > can always ask on a technical mailing list like FreeBSD Questions and > > > > > > someone will point you to the correct URL for the site. And there > > > > > > isn't a way to turn the cache controller off since the Bios setup doesn't > > > > > > have that function. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you give me the reference for this? > > > > > > > I checked the Intel site (and looked at TX chipset > > > > > > > datasheets), but I can't find any statements alluding > > > > > > > to this. I would think that if the cache controller is turned > > > > > > > off, you'd get like 50% decrease in speed rather than 10% that > > > > > > > you measured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another front, I would think that with SDRAM, upper memory > > > > > > > not being cached wouldn't be that bad. I thought that when > > > > > > > EDO and SDRAM first came out, their purpose was to get rid of > > > > > > > L2 cache altogether. It hasn't happened yet, but... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yong Whang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's actually wrong... According to Intel engineers and I have > > > > > > > > >tested this as well... If the cache controller chipset can only cache 64 > > > > > > > > >megs, then it will not cache any ram at all if you go past the limits. > > > > > > > > >This can all be found on Intel's site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > > > > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > > > > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > > > > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > > > > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > > > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > > > > > a > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 11 23:14:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06203 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16905; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:13:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16768; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16753; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-66.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA259304; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: <36E89452.AA1374B8@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:13:07 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 80 MBytes on TP760ED? References: <4.1.19990311074929.00c843a0@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. Apricorn, thinkpad proven memory manufacturer, and Goldenram, IBM approved memory manufacturer.. both are located in southern california and make the memory in house.. (no, not the chips, the assembly) you can't entirely believe what IBM says.. Apricorn is the only manufacturer of the 32meg DIMM carrier for the thinkpad 760E series.. IBM did not even KNOW that could be done until after Apricorn did it.. :-) if you want to try the part, and it does NOT work, then return it.. no problem.. i just sent two to england (for 380 series) and one for a 770.. David Goldman wrote: > At 03:56 PM 3/10/99 , Bill Morrow wrote: > >Vincent.. > >YES, well maybe.. > >these machines support the 128meg part.. > >380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU > > Bill: > > Sorry to do this, but what is the source of your information? > > According to the IBM web site the 2635-Hxx and 2635-Jxx models > are limited to 96MB. I would love to have installed the 128MB > RAM (for a total of 150MB in my system) but could not find any > official information to indicate that more than 96MB would work. > > -- > /=================================================================\ > | David Goldman | My business motto is: | > | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | > | | [ ] Cheap | > | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | > \=================================================================/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 00:04:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06685 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19081; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:03:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18898; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18866; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17331 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:02:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:02:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 700 and TP 701/Win95 questions In-Reply-To: <36E8908C.20586011@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Nancy Ota wrote: > > > 1. Can I swap the hard drive from a TP700C into a TP720C? > > no, for several reasons..1. wrong interface, > 2. too thick, > 3. you won't want to since even if you could, it is only > 120meg or 170meg max.. way too small by todays standards.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the 700C and 720C identical machines, except the 700 had a 25MHz 486SLC and the 720 had a clock-doubled 50MHz 486SLC? They were the MCA machines using ESDI drive interfaces, no? The 7XX series didn't become IDE until the 750, right? -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 07:03:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA09478 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09856; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:59:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09504; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09491; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a306.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.180]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA13617 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:59:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903121159.GAA13617@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a306.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.180] 209.198.81.180 Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:59:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:57:27 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <36E88F7F.9E6FB348@icanect.net> Subject: Re: SXGA Screen Experience X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I guess I should have tried to explain more clearly. First, I am not a desktop display or 770 customer. It is too big and heavy to be a tool for me. Second, there is a pricing limit on Thinkpads, and after a certain point, all the fit and finish and support doesn't sell. Third, I'm after a TP600, but I doubt they can jack the price up another $400 or more and still sell them in a competitive market that is selling Compacs and other machines for what will become $800 less. (In fact, where I work, they are buying Tp600s for $2500 from IBM. If the price was $2900 or more, the sale would go to someone else. ) The point is that I think IBM is either going to add the SXGA to the TP600 at nearly the same price it is going for now (because they cannot sell them at $4700 when the 770 is going for $4900), or they will wait until the costs come down. -- And so the point is; for someone who only gets to buy these things with his own money once every 3 or 4 years or so, is there something in everyday use that would make the SXGA more valuable and worth waiting a few more months for? >>suggest that you buy the cheaper machine, then tell us here if you are >satisified.. >you may be happy or maybe not.. >you may get the same support or maybe not.. >the machine may have the same fit, finish and engineering, or maybe not.. >but, most likely, it will be using an IBM hard drive.. >reality is, you get what you pay for.. >IMO the SXGA display is terrific, for me, at least.. >i want the real estate.. >in fact, i use TWO IBM 9516 flat panel displays on one of my desk type >boxes, because i want the real estate.. >and as soon as win98 will allow me to use three, reliably, i will.. :-) >so, all in all, if you want the real estate, the SXGA display is the >one.. >letoured@sover.net wrote: >> Now that the SXGA screens have been around for a few months on some 770 >> models, can anyone tell us if it is worth the cost (and wait for other >> models), etc. >> >> I haven't seen anything that would indicate it will be used on other >> models, but the $600 cost of the TP600E over the competition makes me >> wonder if maybe the price is being kept up there because something that >> will really differentiate the product is coming. >> >> _____________ >> letoured@sover.net _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 08:32:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09939 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13183; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:30:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12994; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12980; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22531 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:30:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0129.uhc.com [168.183.199.93]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22527 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:30:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990312082931.00ac58d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:29:31 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: SXGA Screen Experience In-Reply-To: <199903121159.GAA13617@garnet.sover.net> References: <36E88F7F.9E6FB348@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:57 AM 3/12/99 -0500, letoured@sover.net wrote: >(In fact, where I work, they are buying Tp600s for $2500 from IBM. >If the price was $2900 or more, the sale would go to someone else. ) > Interesting. What model 600, and who is your reseller? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 10:34:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11128 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19693; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19463; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19437; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.4) with ESMTP id JAA19852; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:32:15 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id JAA41262; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:32:13 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199903121532.JAA41262@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up (cont'd) To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:32:13 -0600 (CST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <36E59BCA.B4A615E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> from "I Lee Hetherington" at Mar 09, 1999 05:08:10 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I Lee Hetherington writes: > > If your disk spins up, you are not truly suspended or hibernated. You > are in standby. > > Suspend fails for me (i.e., becomes just standby) if I am both attached > to AC and have a network card in. If either isn't true, my suspend > works and persists until I wake it up. Lee (or anyone), I wasn't able to get suspend to work as I hoped by waiting a bit to make sure the system recognized it was on battery rather than AC power. The /var/log/messages (see below) file shows that the system resumes continuously about every 30 seconds draining power. I suspended at 12:25pm and didn't really use the system until 4:30pm. The system does shut down at some point for 3+ hours, I suppose that is because hibernate eventually kicks in (though I thought I had set it 1 1/2 hours rather than 1/2 hour). -> Did you disable any daemons on your system to get this to work properly? I am thinking that the bdflush/update daemons might be at fault here, but I'm hesitant to mess with them if it's not necessary. -> Did you make any modifications to the apm_bios.c program (change #define s)? This is with a TP560x (233Mhz TFT model -70U), Linux RH 5.1 with 2.0.34 kernel (enabled power management), APM BIOS 1.1 (kernel driver 1.2), apm version 2.4. (TP reports BIOS 1.10 97H4103 6-10-98) thanks a bunch. Esmail here is an excerpt of the /var/log/messages file: europa 9:17 [4] more resume.problem Mar 10 12:25:56 asia cardmgr[253]: executing: './serial stop ttyS1' Mar 10 12:25:56 asia cardmgr[253]: executing: 'rmmod pcnet_cs' Mar 10 12:25:56 asia cardmgr[253]: executing: 'rmmod 8390' Mar 10 12:25:56 asia cardmgr[253]: executing: 'rmmod serial_cs' Mar 10 12:26:05 asia PAM_pwdb[15846]: (su) session opened for user root by hank(uid=0) Mar 10 12:26:25 asia PAM_pwdb[15846]: (su) session closed for user root Mar 10 12:31:12 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:03:23 (94% 0:01) Mar 10 12:34:03 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:02:50 (94% 0:01) Mar 10 12:35:36 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:01:32 (94% 0:01) Mar 10 12:50:56 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:31 (88% 0:01) Mar 10 12:51:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:31 (87% 0:01) Mar 10 12:51:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (87% 0:01) Mar 10 12:52:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (87% 0:01) Mar 10 12:52:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (86% 0:01) Mar 10 12:53:58 asia last message repeated 2 times Mar 10 12:54:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (86% 0:01) Mar 10 12:54:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (85% 0:01) Mar 10 12:55:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (85% 0:01) Mar 10 12:55:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (85% 0:01) Mar 10 12:56:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (84% 0:01) Mar 10 12:57:28 asia last message repeated 2 times Mar 10 12:57:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (83% 0:01) Mar 10 12:58:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (83% 0:01) Mar 10 12:58:58 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (83% 0:01) Mar 10 12:59:28 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (82% 0:01) Mar 10 13:00:31 asia last message repeated 2 times Mar 10 13:01:01 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (81% 0:01) Mar 10 13:01:32 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (81% 0:01) Mar 10 13:02:02 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:30 (81% 0:01) Mar 10 13:02:33 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:30 (80% 0:01) Mar 10 13:03:12 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (80% 0:01) Mar 10 13:03:42 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (80% 0:01) Mar 10 13:04:12 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (79% 0:01) Mar 10 13:04:43 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:30 (79% 0:01) Mar 10 13:05:20 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:36 (79% 0:01) Mar 10 13:08:24 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:02:58 (78% 0:01) Mar 10 13:08:56 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 00:00:29 (78% 0:01) Mar 10 16:30:56 asia apmd[88]: Resume after 03:21:59 (77% 1:42) Mar 10 16:31:08 asia PAM_pwdb[15887]: (su) session opened for user root by hank(uid=0) ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 10:44:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11255 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20751; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:43:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20504; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mg1.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20475; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg1.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00399 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from ssh (dhcp-84.servicemetrics.com [206.247.247.84] (may be forged)) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10994 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:17 -0700 (MST) From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000701be6c9f$1c8aa240$54f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have one from which you could make an image and either send it to me or put it somewhere from which I can get it? I could give you access to my FTP server, too. Please let me know! Thanks, ssh From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 11:11:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA11613 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22531; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22398; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22372; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (northrelay02.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.22]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30196 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:12 -0500 Received: from D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com (d51mta05.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.33]) by northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7m1/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id LAA44224 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:08:58 -0500 Received: by D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256732.0058B3CD ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:08:51 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMCA@IBMUS To: "Steve Hultquist" cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Message-ID: <85256732.0058B32C.00@D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:54:45 -0500 Subject: Re: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/BBOD-3N5KWE.html for Boot disk for use with the Windows 95 Preload Recovery CD or the recovery CD is bootable and you can just change your startup options in the BIOS to boot from the recovery CD! Drew. #include Please respond to "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" cc: (bcc: Drew Gazey/Toronto/Contr/IBM) Subject: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? Does anyone have one from which you could make an image and either send it to me or put it somewhere from which I can get it? I could give you access to my FTP server, too. Please let me know! Thanks, ssh From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 11:43:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12145 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24874; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:40:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24577; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (IDENT:root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.247.247.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24563; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ssh (dhcp-84.servicemetrics.com [206.247.247.84] (may be forged)) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17083; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:31:06 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000901be6ca6$af31ccc0$54f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <87256732.00576723.00@d53mta02h.boulder.ibm.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks! I dug around on the Web pages, but couldn't find that! >-----Original Message----- >From: dgazey@ca.ibm.com [mailto:dgazey@ca.ibm.com] >Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:55 AM >To: Steve Hultquist >Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List >Subject: Re: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? > > > > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/BBOD-3N5KWE.html > >for Boot disk for use with the Windows 95 Preload Recovery CD > >or the recovery CD is bootable and you can just change your startup options > in the BIOS to boot from the recovery CD! > >Drew. > >#include > > >Please respond to "Steve Hultquist" > >To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" >cc: (bcc: Drew Gazey/Toronto/Contr/IBM) >Subject: TP 600 recovery boot diskette? > > > > > >Does anyone have one from which you could make an image and either send it >to me >or put it somewhere from which I can get it? I could give you access to my >FTP >server, too. > >Please let me know! > >Thanks, >ssh > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 11:54:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12260 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25943; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:53:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25800; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25784; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10045; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:53:24 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36E94687.79B6A19C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:53:27 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up (cont'd) References: <199903121532.JAA41262@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Are you running apmd? That seems to interfere with suspend/hibernate in my experience with ThinkPads. I don't run apmd. You don't even need apm. I suspend with Fn-F4. I am runnining 2.0.35, I had #undef APM_NO_INT (or something like that) in drivers/char/apm_bios.c. Otherwise, suspend would work fine but resume would never work. 2.2.2 worked for me too, and I'll be switching to it when I upgrade to RH 5.2 any day now. The NO_INT thing is now a config option in 2.2.x. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 12:47:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12879 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29705; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:45:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29485; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom4.netcom.com (phr@netcom4.netcom.com [192.100.81.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29469; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom4.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA15903 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:45:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199903121745.JAA15903@netcom4.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SXGA List-Unsubscribe: I haven't seen the SXGA screen yet but am currently using an XGA 770. Every time I've upgraded laptop screens--from CGA to (monochrome) VGA, >from mono to color (dual scan) VGA, from DS VGA to TFT SVGA, and most recently from SVGA to XGA, I've wondered how I ever lived with the old system. Yes, more pixels vastly expand what you can do with the system. I've also been buying a laptop with my own money once every 2 years or so, generally getting a one generation old laptop for $2000 or so. (E.g. I got this Pmmx-based 770 just about when the PII-based 770E and 770ED came out, so it was somewhat slower than the latest generation but a lot cheaper). But I'm actually thinking of upgrading to a 770X after having had the 770 less than a year, as soon as the 770X hits that $2K-ish price level. The expense actually isn't that much more: laptops lose half their value every year, so a $2000 laptop is worth $1000 after 1 year and $500 after 2 years. (It started out as a $4000 laptop a year before it became a $2000 one). So currently if I buy at $2000 and upgrade after 2 years, I've "spent" $2000-$500=$1500, or $750/year. If I upgrade after 1 year, I've "spent" $2000-$1000=$1000/year. I'm doubtful if an SXGA 600 is coming just because the SXGA screen needs to be pretty big. The 13.7" 770 SXGA screen is the same height as the 14.1" XGA screen, but a little narrower because the 1280/1024 aspect ratio is different. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 13:11:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13120 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01983; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:10:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01595; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (hwyau@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01574; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hwyau@localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA09864 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:09:39 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:09:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Hon Yau Reply-To: Hon Yau To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I installed the extra RAM into my 760ED and think I can make some preliminary remarks on the effect of taking the machine past the cacheable limit. First of all, I think I can confirm Vince@MCESTATE's assertion that *none* of the RAM is now L2-cached. I wrote a small test program which accesses an array which should live entirely inside cache and have the figures on Linux (100 to 99% CPU usage): Array size (floats) 48Meg 80Meg 1024 0.7(1) secs 0.7(1) secs 24*1024 17.9 secs 18.9 secs 48*1024 37.7 secs 39.1 secs 60*1024 49.5 secs 54.4 secs What seems to be happening is that for small problem sizes, the array fits into the L1-cache on the processor and the L2-issue does not appear. However, for larger problem sizes which should fit inside the L2 cache, one is about 10% slower. Roughly the same 10% slowdown has been observed by timing some Java compilations. BUT, as mentioned by Alexander Wagner, I really do think the increased RAM has been worthwhile for what I do. In Linux I write & compile code, or write & compile LaTeX repeatedly; so appreciate having these executables cached in RAM instead of being fetched from disk. This is particularly noticeable when on batteries and the smaller amount of disk activity is more appreciated. With NT, the same 10% slowdown compiling Java codes is also noticed. It is also *much* more usable as an OS with the extra RAM: I never really appreciated how much of a memory hog NT was! So, my conclusions is that in the very worst scenarios, I'll lose 10% of performance. But for the vast majority of my work, both Linux and NT applications subjectively run faster. Thanks again for everyone's advise on this issue. Cheers, -Hon. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 13:29:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13317 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03171; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:28:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03057; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomcat.sac.verio.net (root@tomcat.sac.verio.net [209.162.64.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03039; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from maxhome (pm02-17.sac.verio.net [209.162.64.36]) by tomcat.sac.verio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24381; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:27:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00f901be6cb6$6da17ca0$7940a2d1@maxhome> From: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" To: "John Kim" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 700 and TP 701/Win95 questions Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:29:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: John, You're right about that -- the ThinkPad 700 and 720 MCA hard disk drive and interfaces are identical. You could plug the ThinkPad 700 hard disk into the ThinkPad 720 and use it. The only hurdle might be BIOS issues. For example, a ThinkPad 700 probably wouldn't recognize a larger HDD from a 720 series. By the way, if you're looking for MicroChannel HDD's up to 2.1GB for the ThinkPad 700/720 series, we have them available. Let me know if you're interested and I'll send you the details. Best wishes, Douglas Hirsch Internet Support Maximum Upgrades tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 http://www.maxup.com djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) -----Original Message----- From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: Re: TP 700 and TP 701/Win95 questions >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: >> Nancy Ota wrote: >> >> > 1. Can I swap the hard drive from a TP700C into a TP720C? >> >> no, for several reasons..1. wrong interface, >> 2. too thick, >> 3. you won't want to since even if you could, it is only >> 120meg or 170meg max.. way too small by todays standards.. > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the 700C and 720C >identical machines, except the 700 had a 25MHz 486SLC and the >720 had a clock-doubled 50MHz 486SLC? They were the MCA >machines using ESDI drive interfaces, no? The 7XX series >didn't become IDE until the 750, right? > >-- >John H. Kim >kim@stormhaven.org > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 13:31:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13383 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03505; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:30:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03399; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03372; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:30:41 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from thomas.ge.com (thomas-o.ge.com [10.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21502 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com (nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com [3.159.84.11]) by thomas.ge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00864 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: <5F0606A193B6D011867400805FFE188D02E9D194@nyschx03psge.sch.ge.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: SXGA Screen Experience Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: While I don't speak for letoured@sover.net (and I hope he doesn't speak for me), we both contract to the same company, so I can answer this one. Got mine yesterday. Model 2645-45U (300Mhz PII, 64MB, 5GB). As far as I know, our deal is directly with IBM. When the company you "work" for has over 200,000 employees (and I don't think that include contractors such as myself), you have the potential for an awful lot of leverage. Of course, this deal was worked out several months ago, so it is about time for our sourcing folk to change it again. Makes support real interesting when you change brands/models every 6 months or so. About 1 year ago we rolled out ~500 760XDs. Three months later they were issueing Compaq Armada 7770DMTs. Three months later that changed to the Compaq Armada 7800 series. Now were on the 600s. Hopefully, since this is a corporate deal, the individual business sourcing groups will not be able to screw it up. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:30 AM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: SXGA Screen Experience At 06:57 AM 3/12/99 -0500, letoured@sover.net wrote: >(In fact, where I work, they are buying Tp600s for $2500 from IBM. >If the price was $2900 or more, the sale would go to someone else. ) > Interesting. What model 600, and who is your reseller? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 15:49:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14974 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11614; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:47:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11440; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (gatem02.netusa1.net [205.139.170.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11425; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (indyk216.netusa1.net [205.139.170.216]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25088 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:46:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990312154949.0082a330@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:49:49 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Roger Grady Subject: New Hard drive installation problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've run into a (to me) serious problem installing a new Travelstar 3.2gb drive in my 365ED. After getting the drive physically into the computer and booting to a DOS prompt from the floppy, I first ran PHDISK to create the hibernate partition on the drive. This was successfully created according to the output from PHDISK. I then ran FDISK to create primary and secondary DOS partitions with 3 logical drive (C:, D:, E:), and FORMAT to format the 3 drives. So far so good. At this point I could boot to the C: drive, but I got a message during boot that there was no hibernate partition and that I should run PHDISK to create one. I thought this was rather odd since I had already (successfully, I thought) created this partition. So I ran PHDISK again, and PHDISK again said that the partition was successfully created (exactly same size as the 1st time). Running PHDISK is supposed to erase everything on the drive, so I did a DIR on C: out of curiousity and found that COMMAND.COM still showed up. Didn't know what to make of this, but hey, this is software - I expect it to not work like the documentation says. So I turned the computer off and tried to reboot - now it goes through the memory test then hangs - won't boot from either the hard drive or the floppy. No error messages, it just stops. I can't get to the setup because you have to be at a full-screen DOS prompt to get into setup. If I put the old hard drive back in everything is fine. It looks to me like either the hard drive has failed or I have hosed it, perhaps by not running FDISK and FORMAT after running PHDISK the 2nd time. The drive is alive to the point that it sounds normal and there is a slight amount of disk activity at the start of the boot attempt. Operating system is W95. Anybody have a clue as to what's wrong or what I can do? Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 16:24:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15319 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13987; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:24:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13841; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13822; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-113.gate.net [199.227.20.240]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA375276 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <36E985B8.BB90D72E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:23:04 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770Z is now shipping References: <3.0.5.32.19990312154949.0082a330@mail.netusa1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i have some arriving monday for customers if i keep one, i'll sell my 770X -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 16:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15351 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14586; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:26:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14366; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14094; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-113.gate.net [199.227.20.240]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA422524 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: <36E98635.D0A8DD6C@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:25:09 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Data Path Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IF anyone buys anything from this company, BEWARE..! I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and post it on my web site, soon. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 17:08:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15673 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17264; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:06:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17098; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb07.swip.net (mb07.swip.net [193.12.122.211]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17077; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from swipnet.se (dialup204-3-5.swipnet.se [130.244.204.133]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06011 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:06:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36E98BA0.10E21F3D@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:48:16 +0100 From: Mats Mattila X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM thinkpad 600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone run debian 2.x with IBM thinkpad 600 its a PII300mhz, 64mbra, Neomagic 128xd, 5.1gb hd, 13.3TFT 1024x768 i have installed the base system from the slink 2.1 install disks version 2.1.9 wonder if anyone can help me howto configure my pcmcia card its a IBM Etherjet 10/100 cardbus PCMCIA url for it is http://www.networking.ibm.com/support/ejetcardbus /Mats Mattila From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 20:36:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17675 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29253; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:35:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29073; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29059; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub3.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.4) with ESMTP id TAA50176; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:53 -0600 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id TAA50852; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:52 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199903130134.TAA50852@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up (cont'd) To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:34:52 -0600 (CST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <36E94687.79B6A19C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> from "I Lee Hetherington" at Mar 12, 1999 11:53:27 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I Lee Hetherington writes: > > Are you running apmd? That seems to interfere with suspend/hibernate in > my experience with ThinkPads. I don't run apmd. You don't even need > apm. I suspend with Fn-F4. Hmmm ... I just assumed I'd have to run the apm daemon (apmd) in order to get apm to work. I guess I've had some misconceptions re how apm works. I'll look and see where apmd is fired up during the init/boot sequence and disable it and give it a try. I much appreciate the help/suggestion Lee. Esmail ps: is 2.2.x stable yet? i've heard it's supposed to be much snappier than 2.0.34/36 which I run. I've been waiting for an offical RH rpm. > 2.2.2 worked for me too, and I'll be switching to it when I upgrade to > RH 5.2 any day now. The NO_INT thing is now a config option in 2.2.x. > > --Lee > ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 12 21:50:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18285 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02015; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:49:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01810; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01795; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10LeTt-0003Wf-00; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:48:53 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB066FF435@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Data Path Technologies Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I second the motion. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:25 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Data Path Technologies IF anyone buys anything from this company, BEWARE..! I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and post it on my web site, soon. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 03:45:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20861 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13908; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:44:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13687; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13673; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:44:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990313084425.28538.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [134.100.160.106] by send106.yahoomail.com; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:44:25 PST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: swjatoslaw gerus Subject: unsuscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: unsuscribe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 11:22:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23205 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02202; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:21:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02021; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02006; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21151; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:20:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EA9021.F9BB1A85@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:19:45 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: apm/linux ... tp560x keeps waking up (cont'd) References: <199903130134.TAA50852@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 2.2.x is fairly stable now. We've been running it for 2+ month on desktop machines without any problems. These are SMP. 2.2.x has a lot of SMP improvements. I have never seen a RH kernel that has APM turned on, so I've always had to build my own anyways. Thus, I don't pay attention to RH's kernel RPMs. I believe there are some RPMs for packages that need to be upgraded to work with 2.2.x, but I don't know which exactly. You could theck the RH web site for info. I just updated the things mentioned in linux/Documentation/Changes (in the kernel tree). --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 13:56:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24262 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07602; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:55:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07482; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07469; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27625; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:54:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mats Mattila" , Subject: RE: IBM thinkpad 600 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:54:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be6d82$fa6e47e0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36E98BA0.10E21F3D@swipnet.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Check the PCMCIA HOWTO and the supported card list at: http://hyper.stanford.edu/~dhinds/pcmcia/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO.html ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/SUPPORTED.CARDS Unfortunately, your card isn't on the list. You can either write a driver for your card or buy a new card. If you want a CardBus 10/100 card, I've had good luck with both the 3Com 3CCFE575BT and both LinkSys cards, the CardBus and the 16-bit. The 3CCFE575BT and 16-bit LinkSys worked OK with the PCMCIA drivers from the Stanford site. The LinkSys CardBus card required building the latest Tulip driver following instructions from the LinkSys site: http://www.linksys.com/support/solution/nos/linux.htm This is with the 2.0.36 kernel from the SuSE 6.0 distribution. Of the two CardBus cards, the LinkSys is a lot cheaper and LinkSys has more active Linux support than 3Com. -Mike > Anyone run debian 2.x with IBM thinkpad 600 > its a PII300mhz, 64mbra, Neomagic 128xd, 5.1gb hd, 13.3TFT 1024x768 > i have installed the base system from the slink 2.1 install disks > version 2.1.9 > wonder if anyone can help me howto configure my pcmcia card > its a IBM Etherjet 10/100 cardbus PCMCIA > > url for it is http://www.networking.ibm.com/support/ejetcardbus From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 15:45:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25238 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11694; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:43:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11508; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11486; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic56.fbtc.net [204.2.11.56]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22462; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:43:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006e01be6d91$a1bc24a0$380b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:39:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I would think that if you want to warn us about problems with someone, the proper thing to do is simply state it. To only say that we should beware and not tell why or about what, is kind of unfair to all involved. Why don't you just say what you have to say? If it's true and important we need to know. If it's not true then he deserves an opportunity to defend himself. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: ThinkPad List Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:25 PM Subject: Data Path Technologies >IF anyone buys anything from this company, >BEWARE..! >I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and >post it on my web site, soon. > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 16:34:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25711 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13260; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:33:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13072; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13039; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter ([202.188.233.190]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990314133519.QZSE6109@peter> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> Reply-To: "Zilim" From: "Zilim" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly??? Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and post it on my web site, soon". Relax, man. Sigh. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Barry Marks To: Bill Morrow ; ThinkPad List Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 4:45 AM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies >I would think that if you want to warn us about problems with someone, the >proper thing to do is simply state it. To only say that we should beware >and not tell why or about what, is kind of unfair to all involved. > >Why don't you just say what you have to say? If it's true and important we >need to know. If it's not true then he deserves an opportunity to defend >himself. > >Barry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow >To: ThinkPad List >Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:25 PM >Subject: Data Path Technologies > > >>IF anyone buys anything from this company, >>BEWARE..! >>I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and >>post it on my web site, soon. >> >>-- >>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> >>** Bill Morrow ** :-) >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >>bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >>770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... >> >>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >>vary, Done on a >>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >> >> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 18:16:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26616 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16384; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:15:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16239; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16226; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 18.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.18]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990313231448.CICI2570@18.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:14:48 +0000 From: epbrown01@worldnet.att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:14:59 GMT Message-ID: <36eaed80.4239445@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> In-Reply-To: <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" wrote: >Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly??? >Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading >practices and post it on my web site, soon". Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation. Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the system off, and ship it out. Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs - something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies decline. In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 18:58:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26915 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17624; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:57:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17430; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from strauss.baraboo.com (strauss.baraboo.com [156.46.199.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17417; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dwilliam.baraboo.com ([156.46.152.43]) by strauss.baraboo.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57003U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:00:00 -0600 Message-ID: <36EAFBD8.326D@baraboo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:59:20 -0600 From: dwilliam@baraboo.com (Jeff Williamson) Reply-To: dwilliam@baraboo.com Organization: Applied Data Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> <36eaed80.4239445@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown wrote: > have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the > system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory > refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the > system off, and ship it out. That is not always true. :) I attempted to purchase a refurbished TP with DOS 6.X from them. They failed to install or include the OS; they also failed to wipe the machine off. > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), > they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, > displays faded. Very accurate description of the one that I had. > I view Onsale's > continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies > decline. Yep. OnSale was OK two years ago, but has fallen. They did refund my purchase price of the aforementioned TP after only a few whacks with the famous "clue by four". I have been able to save friends grief by warning them away from DataPath. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 19:51:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27259 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19920; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:50:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19813; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (IDENT:unIDENTified@Viola.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19800; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01J8SEUUY8G08Y7ACG@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:50:29 MST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:34:06 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-reply-to: "A message dated Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:14:59 +0000 (GMT)" <36eaed80.4239445@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: ThinkPad List Message-id: <01J8SGLPVRVW8Y7ACG@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> <000401be6d98$c403ea00$bee9bcca@peter> List-Unsubscribe: epbrown01@worldnet.att.net (Emanuel Brown) writes - > Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the > system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory > refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the > system off, and ship it out. I bought a used 755CE from Electro Rents - for $495 it had a new keyboard, no stuck pixels, was extremely clean and came with a carrying case and W95 freshly installed. It was here the very next day and COD was no problem. I was going to use it for parts to fix my other one but it turned out to be in such good shape I'm just using it now (even though I've since found the board I needed for the other one)... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 13 22:53:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28262 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24893; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:52:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24722; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24709; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:52:39 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Rballmaw@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oPRYa22603 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:51:19 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <93ac69ec.36eb3237@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:51:19 EST To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TP 750CS User Manual/Original Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: I recently purchased a TP 750 CS (model 9545-208). I have downloaded much information about this machine from IBM's web site but I have not found a source for a user's manual and the original disks. Might any of my fellow subscribers have a 750Cs user's manual and original disks you are willing to part with (or copy)? I'll pay for copying/shipping costs. Any help provided will be appreciated. TIA, Mike Williams From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 07:20:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01471 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19952; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:19:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19791; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19777; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:18:37 -0500 Sender: bbender@csi.com Received: from brianb-tp (d1-7-243.statesboro-800.dialup.ans.net [152.176.109.243]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id HAA19476 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Bender" To: "'Thinkpads'" Subject: RE: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:16:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be6e14$c5e282b0$6437a8c0@brianb-tp.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'm not sure about Linux, but I know Windows variants load from the top down in RAM, so even if it were still cacheing the first 64 (I was under the impression that this is how the TX chipset works), your OS is living in uncached RAM, so performance would hurt across the entire range... But I agree, for most "work", it's still a net gain to load up on RAM. ============================================= - Brian Bender Thinkpad 600, 300MHZ, 128MB RAM, 5GB HDD Former owner of: 770 (200MHZ), 560 (120MHZ), 755CSE (DX4/100) Currently running WinNT 4.0 SP4 and playing with Linux afterhours... On Friday, March 12, 1999 1:10 PM, Hon Yau wrote: > > > Hello, > > I installed the extra RAM into my 760ED and think I can make some > preliminary remarks on the effect of taking the machine past > the cacheable > limit. > > First of all, I think I can confirm Vince@MCESTATE's > assertion that *none* > of the RAM is now L2-cached. I wrote a small test program > which accesses > an array which should live entirely inside cache and have the > figures on > Linux (100 to 99% CPU usage): > > Array size (floats) 48Meg 80Meg > 1024 0.7(1) secs 0.7(1) secs > 24*1024 17.9 secs 18.9 secs > 48*1024 37.7 secs 39.1 secs > 60*1024 49.5 secs 54.4 secs > > What seems to be happening is that for small problem sizes, > the array fits > into the L1-cache on the processor and the L2-issue does not appear. > However, for larger problem sizes which should fit inside the > L2 cache, > one is about 10% slower. > > Roughly the same 10% slowdown has been observed by timing some Java > compilations. > > BUT, as mentioned by Alexander Wagner, I really do think the > increased RAM > has been worthwhile for what I do. In Linux I write & > compile code, or > write & compile LaTeX repeatedly; so appreciate having these > executables > cached in RAM instead of being fetched from disk. This is > particularly > noticeable when on batteries and the smaller amount of disk > activity is > more appreciated. With NT, the same 10% slowdown compiling > Java codes is > also noticed. It is also *much* more usable as an OS with > the extra RAM: > I never really appreciated how much of a memory hog NT was! > > So, my conclusions is that in the very worst scenarios, I'll > lose 10% of > performance. But for the vast majority of my work, both Linux and NT > applications subjectively run faster. > > Thanks again for everyone's advise on this issue. > > Cheers, > -Hon. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 10:33:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02445 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25386; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:31:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25228; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25215; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20973 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 1999 15:31:40 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 20915 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 1999 15:31:38 -0000 Received: from dialupl186.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (209.180.201.186) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 1999 15:31:38 -0000 From: "p machule" To: "Emanuel Brown" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:29:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01be6e2f$6a500560$bac9b4d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Emanuel , That was consise and accurate . Other than that they actually wipe the sytem off. (grin) If by that ,you meant cleaning it ....HA! I just got two PC 750s from them . The amount of dust balls and other dirt inside was amazing. They also shipped one 350 instead of a 750 . Missing mouse , missing 2nd MB of video memory , wrong CPU (75Mhz instead of a 90Mhz ). etc...etc.. A PC 730 is actually OK , but has no sound card or speaker unlike the PC750. So we are arguing about that . They offered to to a warranty exchange, but if you read the fine print ....guess who pays shipping ! Also ordered from them a 701C........always wanted one . It finally arrived yesterday after 2 days less a month . My Visa card was charged the same day ;-{ REALLY beat up ...but functional . One problem is a missing coverplate on the left side where the floppy port sits. There is a chunck brocken off the case that would at least be slightly covered if I had that . Not worth exchanging, as who knows what the replacement would look like. Also missing is the Port adapter or whatever it's called. Did not all 701C 's ship with this thing to give you a bunch of ports out the back ie. serial , parallel , etc ? Was charged $32 transpo !!! Given that a Desktop PC 750 is 4 times the size and weight from a shipping box view; thats outrageous !!! It only cost $35 to ship . ;-} As a point of reference I also received from them a DOCK II. (At this point most of you are wondering; is this guy an idiot ;-} But in my defense, I would like to point out that everything was orderered within the same week ) Previously, when I was overcharged on Tranpo , Onsale would fix it . So I did not know what I was getting myself into ;-}. Anyway back to the Dock . Great shape . Excellent price: $29 . Transpo: $12. If any of you have a Dock II you know how big and heavy it is . ..peter.. PS anyone know where to find the docking adapter for a 701C to a Dock II ? PPS How about the left cover plate ? PPPS Manual for either the Dock II or a 701C ? -----Original Message----- From: Emanuel Brown To: ThinkPad List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to >do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation. >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the >system off, and ship it out. > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's >continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies >decline. > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though. > epbrown >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 >Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 13:18:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03528 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04350; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:14:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04103; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04076; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wabio (user-38ld0d8.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.168]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25696 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:14:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990314130622.009f2d30@mail.newsguy.com> X-Sender: wicket@mail.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:13:52 -0500 To: "thinkpad" From: Alan Wong Subject: TP600E with NT4 In-Reply-To: <01be6e2f$6a500560$bac9b4d1@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm currently running 98 on my TP 600E and currently considering for the 6th time to put NT back on. This has been and on and off situation where I've always reverted back from NT to 98 because NT is not as resource friendly as I would like it to be. My main concern with NT 4.0 is supported NIC cards. I learned the hard way about Cardbus not being supported under NT. What I'm currently considering right now is to install a Xircom Realport combo card on the unit...16 bit. Is there anyone running a Xircom Realport 10/100 56k combo card out there. Actually, better yet, would anybody have any good tips just in general with NT and TP. Out of the four times that I've had NT on it, I've always installed the TP Utilities on it. I ran NT 5 beta 3 on my 600E without it, and it ran flawless. Is anybody doing the same...running NT 4.0 without tp utilities installed. Any info or recommendations is greatly appreciation. Warm regards, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 13:31:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03612 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05045; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:28:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04932; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04919; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic44.fbtc.net [204.2.11.44]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15319; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:28:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003601be6e47$e49117c0$25b6c898@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Zilim" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:24:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I don't remember seeing anything about this. There wasn't enough to remind me of anything I'd read in this group and I read every message every day. If he mentions it here he should give it some context. Otherwise it's just name calling. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Zilim To: ThinkPad List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies >Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly??? >Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading >practices and post it on my web site, soon". > >Relax, man. > >Sigh. > >Peter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Marks >To: Bill Morrow ; ThinkPad List >Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 4:45 AM >Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > >>I would think that if you want to warn us about problems with someone, the >>proper thing to do is simply state it. To only say that we should beware >>and not tell why or about what, is kind of unfair to all involved. >> >>Why don't you just say what you have to say? If it's true and important we >>need to know. If it's not true then he deserves an opportunity to defend >>himself. >> >>Barry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bill Morrow >>To: ThinkPad List >>Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:25 PM >>Subject: Data Path Technologies >> >> >>>IF anyone buys anything from this company, >>>BEWARE..! >>>I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading practices and >>>post it on my web site, soon. >>> >>>-- >>>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >>> >>>** Bill Morrow ** :-) >>>WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >>>bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >>>770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... >>> >>>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >>>vary, Done on a >>>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 13:39:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03655 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05594; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:36:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05466; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05447; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic44.fbtc.net [204.2.11.44]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16888; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:36:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Emanuel Brown" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:32:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Thank you for that information. That's something I can understand and it goes beyond name calling. It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to state his side. Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I havent decided yet if it'll be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking for info on the places to avoid. But I want it to be good info. I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in fair play. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Emanuel Brown To: ThinkPad List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies >On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" wrote: >>Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly??? >>Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading >>practices and post it on my web site, soon". > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to >do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation. >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the >system off, and ship it out. > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's >continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies >decline. > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though. > epbrown >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 >Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 13:46:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03684 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05899; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:38:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05758; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05742; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id LAA07716; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:38:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:38:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903141838.LAA07716@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: sammy@newsguy.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E with NT4 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm currently running 98 on my TP 600E and currently considering > for the 6th time to put NT back on. :) Been there ... done that. I'm back to 98 right now. > What I'm currently considering right now is to install a Xircom > Realport combo card on the unit...16 bit. > Is there anyone running a Xircom Realport 10/100 56k combo card > out there. With CardWizard under NT, I was able to run the and the Xircom RealPort 10/100+56k (16-bit), I was able to get both the modem and the NIC portion running flawlessly. Swapping is limited to hot insertion... the Xircom drivers are still a little buggy when it comes to hot removal. I got a lot of BSODs that way. :( You should definitely install all the Thinkpad utilities though. -al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 14:17:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03863 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07111; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:14:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06920; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06907; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10MGKw-00074s-00; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:14:10 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB066FF438@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Alan Wong , thinkpad Subject: RE: TP600E with NT4 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:08:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Alan, FWIW, I've got a 32bit Cardbus Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 running just fine (and coexisting with other cards) on both my TP 600 and TP 770ED. I did need to get updated drivers on the Intel site. I'm also using Cardwizard 4 to manage the cards. Win 98 is still available for watching DVDs via dual boot. Regards, Neil TP 600 PII/266 96mb TP 770ED 160 mb etc -----Original Message----- From: Alan Wong [mailto:sammy@newsguy.com] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 1:14 PM To: thinkpad Subject: TP600E with NT4 I'm currently running 98 on my TP 600E and currently considering for the 6th time to put NT back on. This has been and on and off situation where I've always reverted back from NT to 98 because NT is not as resource friendly as I would like it to be. My main concern with NT 4.0 is supported NIC cards. I learned the hard way about Cardbus not being supported under NT. What I'm currently considering right now is to install a Xircom Realport combo card on the unit...16 bit. Is there anyone running a Xircom Realport 10/100 56k combo card out there. Actually, better yet, would anybody have any good tips just in general with NT and TP. Out of the four times that I've had NT on it, I've always installed the TP Utilities on it. I ran NT 5 beta 3 on my 600E without it, and it ran flawless. Is anybody doing the same...running NT 4.0 without tp utilities installed. Any info or recommendations is greatly appreciation. Warm regards, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 15:10:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04269 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08566; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08411; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08398; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-27.gate.net [199.227.131.154]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA33220; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:06:22 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks CC: Emanuel Brown , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0263FC480B0943146FA673E5" List-Unsubscribe: --------------0263FC480B0943146FA673E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry.. FAIR PLAY.. Data Path Technologies idea of fair play.. put up for auction on ONSALE.com a 701C.. call it "refurbished", then sell it.. when it arrives one finds a beat up machine with the wrong AC adapter (a really bad one) and a floppy.. there is no sign of it being refurbished, there is no Multiport-II or Parallel Printer cable, BOTH of which are essential if one intends to do more than play solitare on the machine.. called Data Path Technologies in Pleasantville, New York (first bad sign is anyone in new york), answered by a pleasant sounding woman whose sole job it is is to transfer anyone with a problem to either customer support or technical support, BOTH of which are on voice mail.. after numerous calls and e-mails to Data Path Technologies AND Onsale, i finally get an e-mail from Onsale telling me they will have Data Path Technologies call me, which they finally do.. The result of the conversation is "live with it or buy the Multiport-II from us.. for more money.. Well, i suppose i CAN pay more $$ to these tricky nefarious denizens pleasantville, new york, but i don't think i want to help the owner buy another new lexus or whatever else it is he does with the $$ he gets from unsuspecting people.. i really pity anyone who falls for the line "refurbished" from these people.. imagine trying to load more than DOS or Win 3.1 through the floppy drive.. i suppose i knew i was going to get the screw job but i decided that American Express would protect me, and i suppose if i bitch to them they will, but the whole thing is way too time consuming to do more than just warn others that Data Path Technologies apparently buys lease reutrns, sorts through what works and what does NOT work, then dumps this stuff on unsuspecting buyers.. Refurbished..!!??!! Thus the warning.. one thing more, it is not often i post a 'flame' about ANYONE, however, for Data Path Technologies i will be sure to let others know who to avoid. This is the reason i don't like online autcion sites in general, and e-bay in particular since you are dealing with an unknown vendor.. (yes, yes, i know e-bay stock has gone up a billion percent, in spite of investigations by law enforcement agencies)....... i have no "side" here, only a warning.. i bought the product for spare parts when one of you guys is in need, so i got screwed out of some of the parts, thats life.. the only reason i'm spending this much time on this e-mail is i can cut and paste parts to the warning i'll post on my web site.. :-) IRT: Trashing the competition.. Hmm.. an interesting thought.. what I sell.. NEW memory and hard drives.. New thinkpads ONLY on special order and at street prices.. My idea of tech support: MY telephone number is on my web site where ANYONE can, and often does, call me and they get me on the line.. there is ONYL me.. on one else.. if you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to condense it, it all started out by helping other thinkpad owners.. then grew into HONEST dealing.. a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like them.. :-) ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers... Barry Marks wrote: > Thank you for that information. That's something I can understand and it > goes > beyond name calling. It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to state his side. > > Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I havent decided yet if > it'll > be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking for info on the places to avoid. > But > I want it to be good info. > > I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in fair play. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emanuel Brown > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > >On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" wrote: > >>Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly??? > >>Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading > >>practices and post it on my web site, soon". > > > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen > >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > > Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to > >do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick > >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation. > >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate > >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, > >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people > >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the > >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory > >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the > >system off, and ship it out. > > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), > >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, > >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering > >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources > >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest > >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They > >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a > >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely > >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs > >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's > >continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies > >decline. > > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells > >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't > >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though. > > epbrown > >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > >Bid on my IBM 560: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------0263FC480B0943146FA673E5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry..
FAIR PLAY..
Data Path Technologies idea of fair play..
put up for auction on ONSALE.com a 701C.. call it "refurbished", then sell it..
when it arrives one finds a beat up machine with the wrong AC adapter (a really bad one) and a floppy..
there is no sign of it being refurbished, there is no Multiport-II or Parallel Printer cable, BOTH of which are essential if one intends to do more than play solitare on the machine..
called Data Path Technologies in Pleasantville, New York (first bad sign is anyone in new york), answered by a pleasant sounding woman whose sole job it is is to transfer anyone with a problem to either customer support or technical support, BOTH of which are on voice mail..
after numerous calls and e-mails to Data Path Technologies AND Onsale, i finally get an e-mail from Onsale telling me they will have Data Path Technologies call me, which they finally do..
The result of the conversation is "live with it or buy the Multiport-II >from us.. for more money..

Well, i suppose i CAN pay more $$ to these tricky nefarious denizens pleasantville, new york, but i don't think i want to help the owner buy another new lexus or whatever else it is he does with the $$ he gets from unsuspecting people..
i really pity anyone who falls for the line "refurbished" from these people..
imagine trying to load more than DOS or Win 3.1 through the floppy drive..

i suppose i knew i was going to get the screw job but i decided that American Express would protect me, and i suppose if i bitch to them they will, but the whole thing is way too time consuming to do more than just warn others that Data Path Technologies apparently buys lease reutrns, sorts through what works and what does NOT work, then dumps this stuff on unsuspecting buyers.. Refurbished..!!??!!

Thus the warning..

one thing more, it is not often i post a 'flame' about ANYONE, however, for Data Path Technologies i will be sure to let others know who to avoid.
This is the reason i don't like online autcion sites in general, and e-bay in particular since you are dealing with an unknown vendor.. (yes, yes, i know e-bay stock has gone up a billion percent, in spite of investigations by law enforcement agencies).......

i have no "side" here, only a warning..

i bought the product for spare parts when one of you guys is in need, so i got screwed out of some of the parts, thats life..

the only reason i'm spending this much time on this e-mail is i can cut and paste parts to the warning i'll post on my web site..  :-)

IRT: Trashing the competition..
Hmm.. an interesting thought..
what I sell.. NEW memory and hard drives..
New thinkpads ONLY on special order and at street prices..
My idea of tech support: MY telephone number is on my web site where ANYONE can, and often does, call me and they get me on the line..
there is ONYL me.. on one else..
if you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to condense it, it all started out by helping other thinkpad owners.. then grew into HONEST dealing..
a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like them..   :-)

ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers...

Barry Marks wrote:

Thank you for that information.  That's something I can understand and it
goes
beyond name calling.  It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to state his side.

Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I havent decided yet if
it'll
be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking for info on the places to avoid.
But
I want it to be good info.

I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in fair play.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Emanuel Brown <epbrown01@worldnet.att.net>
To: ThinkPad List <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies

>On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" <zilim@tm.net.my> wrote:
>>Aw, c'mon.  Did you not read the first posting to this thread properly???
>>Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and misleading
>>practices and post it on my web site, soon".
>
> Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen
>as trashing the competition. So I'll do it!
> Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to
>do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick
>browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation.
>Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate
>unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs,
>they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people
>have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the
>system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory
>refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the
>system off, and ship it out.
> Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases),
>they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched,
>displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering
>systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources
>they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest
>I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They
>typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a
>suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting.
> Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely
>manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs
>- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's
>continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies
>decline.
> In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells
>disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't
>quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though.
> epbrown
>Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01
>Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html
>Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505
>Bid on my IBM 560:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388
>

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------0263FC480B0943146FA673E5-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 15:23:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04339 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09273; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09168; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09155; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-27.gate.net [199.227.131.154]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA321690; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <36EC19F0.D1BB87EF@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:20:00 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p machule CC: Emanuel Brown , thinkpad Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <01be6e2f$6a500560$bac9b4d1@peter> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------457A72F5589D35BFF2F03406" List-Unsubscribe: --------------457A72F5589D35BFF2F03406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit p machule wrote: > Thanks Emanuel , > That was consise and accurate . > Other than that they actually wipe the sytem off. (grin) > If by that ,you meant cleaning it ....HA! > > **SNIP** > > > Also ordered from them a 701C........always wanted one . > It finally arrived yesterday after 2 days less a month . > My Visa card was charged the same day ;-{ > REALLY beat up ...but functional . > well, at least you have one now.. :-) > One problem is a missing coverplate on the left side where the floppy port sits. that was a rubber door, don't worry about it.. > There is a chunck brocken off the case that would at least be slightly covered if I had that . > Not worth exchanging, as who knows what the replacement would look like. > Also missing is the Port adapter or whatever it's called. > this is the biggest point of contention i have with Data Path Technologies, they sold a refurbished machine that is NOT complete.. > Did not all 701C 's ship with this thing to give you a bunch of ports out the back ie. serial , parallel , etc ? > the 701 shipped with the multiport-II, an external floppy and cable, a parallel printer cable that plugs into the same port the floppy does, a really neat little AC adapter, the manual of course, and a couple of trackpoint caps.. > Was charged $32 transpo !!! > this is a BIG profit center for Data Path Technologies, they ship it UPS ground (cost about $6) and keep the rest..**SNIP** > > > ..peter.. > > PS anyone know where to find the docking adapter for a 701C to a Dock II ? > these are VERY rare.. if you find one or more, grab them.. > PPS How about the left cover plate ? > not worth looking for it..but you might try IBM boulder parts at 800-388-7080 or go online to their parts page on the IBM web site... > PPPS Manual for either the Dock II or a 701C ? > i have only about 3 manuals for my 5 (now mostly 6) 701C's..if you have a question, feel free to ask.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Emanuel Brown > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > > > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen > >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > > Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to > >do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick > >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation. > >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate > >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, > >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people > >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the > >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory > >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the > >system off, and ship it out. > > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases), > >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched, > >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering > >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources > >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest > >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They > >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a > >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely > >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs > >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's > >continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies > >decline. > > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells > >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't > >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though. > > epbrown > >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > >Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------457A72F5589D35BFF2F03406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

p machule wrote:

Thanks Emanuel ,
That was consise and accurate .
Other than that they actually wipe the sytem off. (grin)
If by that ,you meant cleaning it ....HA!
 
 
**SNIP**
 

Also ordered from them a 701C........always wanted one .
It finally arrived yesterday after 2 days less a month .
My Visa card was charged the same day ;-{
REALLY beat up ...but functional .
 

well, at least you have one now..  :-) 
One problem is a missing coverplate on the left side  where the floppy port sits.
that was a rubber door, don't worry about it.. 

There is a chunck brocken off the case that would at least be slightly covered if I had that .
Not worth  exchanging, as who knows what the replacement would look like.
Also missing is the Port adapter or whatever it's called.
 

this is the biggest point of contention i have with Data Path Technologies, they sold a refurbished machine that is NOT complete.. 
Did not all 701C 's ship with this thing to give you a bunch of ports out the back ie. serial , parallel , etc ?
 
the 701 shipped with the multiport-II, an external floppy and cable, a parallel printer cable that plugs into the same port the floppy does, a really neat little AC adapter, the manual of course, and a couple of trackpoint caps.. 
Was charged $32 transpo !!!
 
this is a BIG profit center for Data Path Technologies, they ship it UPS ground (cost about $6) and keep the rest..**SNIP**
 

..peter..

PS  anyone know where to find the docking adapter for a 701C to a Dock II  ?
 

these are VERY rare.. if you find one or more, grab them.. 
PPS  How about the left cover plate ?
 
not worth looking for it..but you might try IBM boulder parts at 800-388-7080 or go online to their parts page on the IBM web site...
PPPS  Manual for either the Dock II  or a 701C ?
 
i have only about 3 manuals for my 5 (now mostly 6) 701C's..if you have a question, feel free to ask..
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Emanuel Brown <epbrown01@worldnet.att.net>
To: ThinkPad List <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies

>
> Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he could be seen
>as trashing the competition. So I'll do it!
> Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy company to
>do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, and a quick
>browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the situation.
>Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate
>unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs,
>they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase as people
>have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and bringing the
>system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory
>refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, wipe the
>system off, and ship it out.
> Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most cases),
>they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases scratched,
>displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit of offering
>systems before they receive them from whatever companies or other sources
>they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest
>I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They
>typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed as just a
>suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting.
> Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a timely
>manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea of handcuffs
>- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view Onsale's
>continued association with this company as more evidence of that companies
>decline.
> In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells
>disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they aren't
>quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though.
> epbrown
>Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01
>Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html
>Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505
>Bid on my IBM 560: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------457A72F5589D35BFF2F03406-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 16:37:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04828 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12643; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:33:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12419; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12405; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.44]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990314213246.IXHZ28153@770>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:46 +0000 Message-ID: <36EC2ABA.2F5F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:31:38 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Barry Marks , Emanuel Brown , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have seen DataPath at some shows here in the NYC area. They sell a LOT of IBM stuff. The ThinkPads they bring to shows are usually in decent shape, but of course the customers can see the machines before they buy. Bill Morrow wrote: > > Barry.. > FAIR PLAY.. > Data Path Technologies idea of fair play.. > put up for auction on ONSALE.com a 701C.. call it "refurbished", then > sell it.. > when it arrives one finds a beat up machine with the wrong AC adapter > (a really bad one) and a floppy.. > there is no sign of it being refurbished, there is no Multiport-II or > Parallel Printer cable, BOTH of which are essential if one intends to > do more than play solitare on the machine.. > called Data Path Technologies in Pleasantville, New York (first bad > sign is anyone in new york), answered by a pleasant sounding woman > whose sole job it is is to transfer anyone with a problem to either > customer support or technical support, BOTH of which are on voice > mail.. > after numerous calls and e-mails to Data Path Technologies AND Onsale, > i finally get an e-mail from Onsale telling me they will have Data > Path Technologies call me, which they finally do.. > The result of the conversation is "live with it or buy the > Multiport-II from us.. for more money.. > > Well, i suppose i CAN pay more $$ to these tricky nefarious denizens > pleasantville, new york, but i don't think i want to help the owner > buy another new lexus or whatever else it is he does with the $$ he > gets from unsuspecting people.. > i really pity anyone who falls for the line "refurbished" from these > people.. > imagine trying to load more than DOS or Win 3.1 through the floppy > drive.. > > i suppose i knew i was going to get the screw job but i decided that > American Express would protect me, and i suppose if i bitch to them > they will, but the whole thing is way too time consuming to do more > than just warn others that Data Path Technologies apparently buys > lease reutrns, sorts through what works and what does NOT work, then > dumps this stuff on unsuspecting buyers.. Refurbished..!!??!! > > Thus the warning.. > > one thing more, it is not often i post a 'flame' about ANYONE, > however, for Data Path Technologies i will be sure to let others know > who to avoid. > This is the reason i don't like online autcion sites in general, and > e-bay in particular since you are dealing with an unknown vendor.. > (yes, yes, i know e-bay stock has gone up a billion percent, in spite > of investigations by law enforcement agencies)....... > > i have no "side" here, only a warning.. > > i bought the product for spare parts when one of you guys is in need, > so i got screwed out of some of the parts, thats life.. > > the only reason i'm spending this much time on this e-mail is i can > cut and paste parts to the warning i'll post on my web site.. :-) > > IRT: Trashing the competition.. > Hmm.. an interesting thought.. > what I sell.. NEW memory and hard drives.. > New thinkpads ONLY on special order and at street prices.. > My idea of tech support: MY telephone number is on my web site where > ANYONE can, and often does, call me and they get me on the line.. > there is ONYL me.. on one else.. > if you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to > condense it, it all started out by helping other thinkpad owners.. > then grew into HONEST dealing.. > a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like them.. :-) > > ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers... > > Barry Marks wrote: > > Thank you for that information. That's something I can > understand and it > goes > beyond name calling. It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to > state his side. > > Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I > havent decided yet if > it'll > be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking for info on the > places to avoid. > But > I want it to be good info. > > I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in > fair play. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emanuel Brown > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > >On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" > wrote: > >>Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this > thread properly??? > >>Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky > and misleading > >>practices and post it on my web site, soon". > > > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he > could be seen > >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > > Data Path is actually already well known for being a > crappy company to > >do business with. They sell primarily though > www.onsale.com, and a quick > >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the > situation. > >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either > corporate > >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their > systems as refurbs, > >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that > phrase as people > >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and > bringing the > >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is > "factory > >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install > DOS, wipe the > >system off, and ship it out. > > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in > most cases), > >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, > cases scratched, > >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the > habit of offering > >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or > other sources > >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I > think the longest > >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 > months. They > >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently > viewed as just a > >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in > a timely > >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's > idea of handcuffs > >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I > view Onsale's > >continued association with this company as more evidence of > that companies > >decline. > > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot > that sells > >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though > they aren't > >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, > though. > > epbrown > >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > >Sony VAIO 505 info - > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > >Join the 505 Mailing List - > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > >Bid on my IBM 560: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 17:10:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05041 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12945; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:35:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12775; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12669; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.44]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990314213413.IXWT28153@770>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <36EC2B10.740F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:33:04 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: p machule , Emanuel Brown , thinkpad Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <01be6e2f$6a500560$bac9b4d1@peter> <36EC19F0.D1BB87EF@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There has been a 701 DOCK 2 adaptor on ebay FOR EVER! SEarch the complete itmes, you will find the guy. It never sells! Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > p machule wrote: > > Thanks Emanuel , > That was consise and accurate . > Other than that they actually wipe the sytem off. (grin) > If by that ,you meant cleaning it ....HA! > > > > **SNIP** > > > > Also ordered from them a 701C........always wanted one . > It finally arrived yesterday after 2 days less a month . > My Visa card was charged the same day ;-{ > REALLY beat up ...but functional . > > > well, at least you have one now.. :-) > > One problem is a missing coverplate on the left side where > the floppy port sits. > > that was a rubber door, don't worry about it.. > > There is a chunck brocken off the case that would at least > be slightly covered if I had that . > Not worth exchanging, as who knows what the replacement > would look like. > Also missing is the Port adapter or whatever it's called. > > > this is the biggest point of contention i have with Data Path > Technologies, they sold a refurbished machine that is NOT complete.. > > Did not all 701C 's ship with this thing to give you a bunch > of ports out the back ie. serial , parallel , etc ? > > > the 701 shipped with the multiport-II, an external floppy and cable, a > parallel printer cable that plugs into the same port the floppy does, > a really neat little AC adapter, the manual of course, and a couple of > trackpoint caps.. > > Was charged $32 transpo !!! > > > this is a BIG profit center for Data Path Technologies, they ship it > UPS ground (cost about $6) and keep the rest..**SNIP** > > > > ..peter.. > > PS anyone know where to find the docking adapter for a 701C > to a Dock II ? > > > these are VERY rare.. if you find one or more, grab them.. > > PPS How about the left cover plate ? > > > not worth looking for it..but you might try IBM boulder parts at > 800-388-7080 or go online to their parts page on the IBM web site... > > PPPS Manual for either the Dock II or a 701C ? > > > i have only about 3 manuals for my 5 (now mostly 6) 701C's..if you > have a question, feel free to ask.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emanuel Brown > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > > > > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he > could be seen > >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it! > > Data Path is actually already well known for being a > crappy company to > >do business with. They sell primarily though > www.onsale.com, and a quick > >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the > situation. > >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either > corporate > >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their > systems as refurbs, > >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that > phrase as people > >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and > bringing the > >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is > "factory > >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install > DOS, wipe the > >system off, and ship it out. > > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in > most cases), > >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, > cases scratched, > >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the > habit of offering > >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or > other sources > >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I > think the longest > >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 > months. They > >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently > viewed as just a > >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting. > > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in > a timely > >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's > idea of handcuffs > >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I > view Onsale's > >continued association with this company as more evidence of > that companies > >decline. > > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot > that sells > >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though > they aren't > >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, > though. > > epbrown > >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > >Sony VAIO 505 info - > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > >Join the 505 Mailing List - > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > >Bid on my IBM 560: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74805388 > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 14 17:11:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05047 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15625; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:08:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15433; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15419; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomscomputer (10.tcg1.tcg.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.138.10]) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA05043 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901be6e67$b40a18c0$0a8ac3d1@tomscomputer> From: "Thomas A. 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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE6E82.E3096480-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 04:03:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA09549 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23791; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23645; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23625; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.2]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990315090011.EYKG23484@2.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:00:11 +0000 From: epbrown01@worldnet.att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:00:24 GMT Message-ID: <36ed9108.1308043@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:06:22 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >IRT: Trashing the competition.. >Hmm.. an interesting thought.. Just to clear this up: I don't think you were trashing the competition, and realize that Data Path isn't direct comp for you, but there could be that appearance to someone less familiar with both - they'd think, retailers are retailers. My comments were to show that it wasn't just you, Data Path is bad news for most anyone. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 Bid on my Sony 505G:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=77792836 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 12:48:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13337 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27076; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:42:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26891; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26875; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-147.usc.edu [128.125.223.147]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA22605 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:42:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:32:04 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> References: <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:06 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >if you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to condense it, > it all started out >by helping other thinkpad owners.. then grew into HONEST > dealing.. > >a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like them.. :-) > > > >ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers... I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a couple of things from him, called about at least one thing that I had a concern about, always been happy with the service. You find out how important that kind of reliability and service is when you have a problem with the purchase--even if only a perceived problem. --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 13:17:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13683 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29168; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29029; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29011; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts-jl ([12.69.36.244]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990315180818.CPKR27330@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:08:18 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:07:20 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> References: <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:32 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a couple of things from him, called >about at least one thing that I had a concern about, always been happy with the >service. You find out how important that kind of reliability and service is >when you have a problem with the purchase--even if only a perceived problem. Same here. And Bill was a mainstay on CompuServe's ThinkPad forum where there's very little tolerance for any shenanigans. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 14:13:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14552 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03727; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:08:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03423; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03407; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld1pd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.135.45]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00116 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:08:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:07:22 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:07 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 09:32 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >> I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a couple of things from him, called >Same here. And Bill was a mainstay on CompuServe's ThinkPad forum where Has this list changed to the Bill Morrow fan club? Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 14:36:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14917 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05159; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:31:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05046; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05032; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23282 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:31:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23270 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:31:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990315143048.00bb6790@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:30:48 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:07 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Greg Lara wrote: >Has this list changed to the Bill Morrow fan club? > Since there's no smiley on that, I'll assume it's a serious question. Another list member questioned Bill's motives in giving what appears to be a well-deserved warning about dealing with Data Path. Randal and I simply affirmed that Bill has been, in our experience, an honest person to do business with who didn't normally trash the competition. I added the bit about his presence on CompuServe since it seemed appropriate to mention that he was a welcome member there. I think I said the same thing about Leonard of Pepsales and the CompuServe forum a while back. A fan club? Just my opinion. Take it FWIW. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 15:07:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15397 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07311; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:03:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07103; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07090; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld1pd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.135.45]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08606 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903152003.PAA08606@smtp1.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:02:20 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990315143048.00bb6790@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:30 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 02:07 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Greg Lara wrote: >>Has this list changed to the Bill Morrow fan club? >> >Since there's no smiley on that, I'll assume it's a serious question. >Another list member questioned Bill's motives in giving what appears to be It wasn't a 100% serious question, but nonetheless, I *hadn't* noticed Bill's motives being questioned anywhere in the thread, only concern that he may present himself as trashing his competition should he comment negatively on Data Path's scruples... Greg L. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 15:37:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15881 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08950; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:34:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08785; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from chuckie.dsm.mdp.com ([192.223.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08767; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mdp.com (smtp-mime [192.223.2.71]) by chuckie.dsm.mdp.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA22212 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:38:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from Meredith-Message_Server by mdp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:35:07 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:34:49 -0600 From: Walt Hodges To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: What is wrong with the digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Typically the header lists multiple subjects, but the body only contains the #1 message. Thanks, Walt From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 18:51:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18276 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17857; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:47:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17623; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17610; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-92.gate.net [199.227.173.92]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA138276 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:47:26 -0500 Message-ID: <36ED9BEE.47B76870@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:46:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> <199903152003.PAA08606@smtp1.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm overwhelmed with the nice comments.. with humility, thanks.. my motives, since the question was raised, is to keep others from experiencing the same disappointment, and hopefully, to encourage Data Path Technologies to adopt a more honest and fair dealing way of doing business... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 19:38:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18807 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20319; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:34:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20229; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20215; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:34:31 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a152.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.152]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09060 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:34:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903160034.TAA09060@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a152.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.152] 209.198.80.152 Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:34:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:26:27 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <199903152003.PAA08606@smtp1.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I certainly didn't get any idea that it might present that image. I>It wasn't a 100% serious question, but nonetheless, I *hadn't* noticed >Bill's motives being questioned anywhere in the thread, only concern that >he may present himself as trashing his competition should he comment >negatively on Data Path's scruples... >Greg L. :-) _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 19:52:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18978 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21542; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:49:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21436; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from UOFA01.TRIUMF.CA (uofa01.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21420; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:49:05 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: DATA Path Tech and a 701C Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:51:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01be6f47$1565b220$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: For what it's worth, here is what I received from DATA Path Tech . The Unit was purchased through www.onsale.com .Feb 18th 701C 2630-7TU This was the top 701C made, with 8MB of Ram and a 720Mb HD. Battery still works and is a Ni-MH . AC Adapter Type 85G6695 AKA 85G6698 This is a huge brick with a very short AC power cord and a much longer DC cord that wraps around it . It is not the original equipment. It is newish. IT is BIG. Floppy cable and Floppy . Both were new. A sheet of paper explaining their return policies and warranty . Both are poor ;-} A sheet of paper given generic instructions for Thinkpads. A broken memory cover plate. No cover for the floppy port and the plastic below the port has a chunk missing . No Multiport II . No Parallel cable . (goes from Floppy port to Printer cable) No software or manuals. This was documented in the offer. A $32 shipping charge ! Condition of the laptop is OK' ish . It was well used. Lots of wear on the paint etc.... It was not cleaned up and certainly NOT refurbished. There are still labels on the bottom from ENTEX ( the original owner? ) and other stuff. Three of the remaining feet were reglued ....poorly . Here is the pertinent part of the offer : >This product is refurbished. >software and manual are not included. The current auction says this : This product is refurbished. Multi-port, floppy drive, software and manual are not included. Cute ;-} They are currently auctioning the multiport II for $79 plus $8 transpo . Peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 20:26:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19249 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22975; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:23:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22888; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22806; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-102.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.102]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA20801; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:23:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990315202359.014af820@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:23:59 -0500 To: Greg Lara , ThinkPad Mailing List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:07 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Greg Lara wrote: >At 01:07 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >>At 09:32 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >>> I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a couple of things from him, >called >>Same here. And Bill was a mainstay on CompuServe's ThinkPad forum where > >Has this list changed to the Bill Morrow fan club? > >Greg L. Yeah, that's it. Everyone must officially send all their list messages to billmfan@cs.utk.edu....sheesh I will also add my voice of support. Good response, great site, good products, good support and if you want some fun, try haggling prices with him. I did so for a 760c a few years back. Hilarious. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 20:54:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19515 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24184; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:50:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24031; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24015; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic81.fbtc.net [204.2.11.81]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26485; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:50:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01fc01be6f4e$ca141ac0$d246d2ab@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Emanuel Brown" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F7_01BE6F1C.7D8B4840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01BE6F1C.7D8B4840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to apologize for my intitial missunderstanding. I first thought = that Bill Morrow of Datapath Technologies, a member of this list, was = the target of the complaint. I still think my comment was valid but I used the wrong name in the = wrong place. I'm sorry if that caused any confusion. I know it = confused me. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Barry Marks Cc: Emanuel Brown ; ThinkPad List = Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies =20 =20 Barry..=20 FAIR PLAY..=20 Data Path Technologies idea of fair play..=20 put up for auction on ONSALE.com a 701C.. call it "refurbished", = then sell it..=20 when it arrives one finds a beat up machine with the wrong AC = adapter (a really bad one) and a floppy..=20 there is no sign of it being refurbished, there is no Multiport-II = or Parallel Printer cable, BOTH of which are essential if one intends to = do more than play solitare on the machine..=20 called Data Path Technologies in Pleasantville, New York (first bad = sign is anyone in new york), answered by a pleasant sounding woman whose = sole job it is is to transfer anyone with a problem to either customer = support or technical support, BOTH of which are on voice mail..=20 after numerous calls and e-mails to Data Path Technologies AND = Onsale, i finally get an e-mail from Onsale telling me they will have = Data Path Technologies call me, which they finally do..=20 The result of the conversation is "live with it or buy the = Multiport-II from us.. for more money..=20 Well, i suppose i CAN pay more $$ to these tricky nefarious denizens = pleasantville, new york, but i don't think i want to help the owner buy = another new lexus or whatever else it is he does with the $$ he gets = >from unsuspecting people..=20 i really pity anyone who falls for the line "refurbished" from these = people..=20 imagine trying to load more than DOS or Win 3.1 through the floppy = drive..=20 i suppose i knew i was going to get the screw job but i decided that = American Express would protect me, and i suppose if i bitch to them they = will, but the whole thing is way too time consuming to do more than just = warn others that Data Path Technologies apparently buys lease reutrns, = sorts through what works and what does NOT work, then dumps this stuff = on unsuspecting buyers.. Refurbished..!!??!!=20 Thus the warning..=20 one thing more, it is not often i post a 'flame' about ANYONE, = however, for Data Path Technologies i will be sure to let others know = who to avoid.=20 This is the reason i don't like online autcion sites in general, and = e-bay in particular since you are dealing with an unknown vendor.. (yes, = yes, i know e-bay stock has gone up a billion percent, in spite of = investigations by law enforcement agencies).......=20 i have no "side" here, only a warning..=20 i bought the product for spare parts when one of you guys is in = need, so i got screwed out of some of the parts, thats life..=20 the only reason i'm spending this much time on this e-mail is i can = cut and paste parts to the warning i'll post on my web site.. :-)=20 IRT: Trashing the competition..=20 Hmm.. an interesting thought..=20 what I sell.. NEW memory and hard drives..=20 New thinkpads ONLY on special order and at street prices..=20 My idea of tech support: MY telephone number is on my web site where = ANYONE can, and often does, call me and they get me on the line..=20 there is ONYL me.. on one else..=20 if you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to = condense it, it all started out by helping other thinkpad owners.. then = grew into HONEST dealing..=20 a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like them.. :-)=20 ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers...=20 Barry Marks wrote:=20 Thank you for that information. That's something I can = understand and it=20 goes=20 beyond name calling. It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to = state his side.=20 Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I havent = decided yet if=20 it'll=20 be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking for info on the = places to avoid.=20 But=20 I want it to be good info.=20 I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in fair = play.=20 Barry=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Emanuel Brown =20 To: ThinkPad List =20 Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 5:14 PM=20 Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies=20 >On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim" = wrote:=20 >>Aw, c'mon. Did you not read the first posting to this thread = properly???=20 >>Bill Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and = misleading=20 >>practices and post it on my web site, soon".=20 >=20 > Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, he = could be seen=20 >as trashing the competition. So I'll do it!=20 > Data Path is actually already well known for being a crappy = company to=20 >do business with. They sell primarily though www.onsale.com, = and a quick=20 >browsing of their available merchandise gives a key to the = situation.=20 >Mostly, DPT sells older IBM Thinkpad models that are either = corporate=20 >unloads or off-lease systems. While they describe their systems = as refurbs,=20 >they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that phrase = as people=20 >have come to expect. Rather than replacing worn parts and = bringing the=20 >system up to "like new" condition (which they say is "factory=20 >refurbished"), they simply format the drive and install DOS, = wipe the=20 >system off, and ship it out.=20 > Since most of the systems are older (3 years or more in most = cases),=20 >they've seen some hard use and show it. Keys are worn, cases = scratched,=20 >displays faded. DPT also has apparently gotten into the habit = of offering=20 >systems before they receive them from whatever companies or = other sources=20 >they get them from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think = the longest=20 >I've heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. = They=20 >typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently viewed = as just a=20 >suggestion, not a goal they're interested in meeting.=20 > Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card in a = timely=20 >manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as Houdini's idea = of handcuffs=20 >- something to get out of in as little time as possible. I view = Onsale's=20 >continued association with this company as more evidence of = that companies=20 >decline.=20 > In summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that = sells=20 >disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, though they = aren't=20 >quite as moral. On the plus side, they're over-priced, though.=20 > epbrown=20 >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01=20 >Sony VAIO 505 info - = http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html=20 >Join the 505 Mailing List - = http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505=20 >Bid on my IBM 560:=20 = http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D74805388=20 > =20 --=20 Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...=20 ** Bill Morrow ** :-)=20 WEB page http://thinkpads.com=20 Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html=20 bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net=20 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al...=20 Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage = will vary, Done on a=20 closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01BE6F1C.7D8B4840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to apologize for my intitial=20 missunderstanding.  I first thought that Bill Morrow of Datapath=20 Technologies, a member of this list, was the target of the=20 complaint.
 
I still think my comment was valid but I used the = wrong name=20 in the wrong place.  I'm sorry if that caused any confusion.  = I know=20 it confused me.
 
Barry
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
T= o:=20 Barry Marks <barry@fbtc.net>
Cc: = Emanuel=20 Brown <epbrown01@worldnet.att.net= >;=20 ThinkPad List <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Sunday, March 14, 1999 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Data Path=20 Technologies

Barry..
FAIR PLAY..
Data = Path=20 Technologies idea of fair play..
put up for auction on = ONSALE.com a=20 701C.. call it "refurbished", then sell it..
when it = arrives=20 one finds a beat up machine with the wrong AC adapter (a really bad = one) and=20 a floppy..
there is no sign of it being refurbished, there is no = Multiport-II or Parallel Printer cable, BOTH of which are essential = if one=20 intends to do more than play solitare on the machine..
called = Data Path=20 Technologies in Pleasantville, New York (first bad sign is anyone in = new=20 york), answered by a pleasant sounding woman whose sole job it is is = to=20 transfer anyone with a problem to either customer support or = technical=20 support, BOTH of which are on voice mail..
after numerous calls = and=20 e-mails to Data Path Technologies AND Onsale, i finally get an = e-mail from=20 Onsale telling me they will have Data Path Technologies call me, = which they=20 finally do..
The result of the conversation is "live with = it or buy=20 the Multiport-II from us.. for more money..=20

Well, i suppose i CAN pay more $$ to these tricky nefarious = denizens=20 pleasantville, new york, but i don't think i want to help the owner = buy=20 another new lexus or whatever else it is he does with the $$ he gets = from=20 unsuspecting people..
i really pity anyone who falls for the = line=20 "refurbished" from these people..
imagine trying to = load more=20 than DOS or Win 3.1 through the floppy drive..=20

i suppose i knew i was going to get the screw job but i decided = that=20 American Express would protect me, and i suppose if i bitch to them = they=20 will, but the whole thing is way too time consuming to do more than = just=20 warn others that Data Path Technologies apparently buys lease = reutrns, sorts=20 through what works and what does NOT work, then dumps this stuff on=20 unsuspecting buyers.. Refurbished..!!??!!=20

Thus the warning..=20

one thing more, it is not often i post a 'flame' about ANYONE, = however,=20 for Data Path Technologies i will be sure to let others know who to = avoid.=20
This is the reason i don't like online autcion sites in general, = and=20 e-bay in particular since you are dealing with an unknown vendor.. = (yes,=20 yes, i know e-bay stock has gone up a billion percent, in spite of=20 investigations by law enforcement agencies).......=20

i have no "side" here, only a warning..=20

i bought the product for spare parts when one of you guys is in = need, so=20 i got screwed out of some of the parts, thats life..=20

the only reason i'm spending this much time on this e-mail is i = can cut=20 and paste parts to the warning i'll post on my web site..  :-)=20

IRT: Trashing the competition..
Hmm.. an interesting = thought..=20
what I sell.. NEW memory and hard drives..
New thinkpads = ONLY on=20 special order and at street prices..
My idea of tech support: MY = telephone number is on my web site where ANYONE can, and often does, = call me=20 and they get me on the line..
there is ONYL me.. on one else.. =
if=20 you asked HOW i got into this, its an interesting tale.. to condense = it, it=20 all started out by helping other thinkpad owners.. then grew into = HONEST=20 dealing..
a POX on Data Path Technologies and all who are like=20 them..   :-)=20

ask anyone how I do business, even with total strangers...=20

Barry Marks wrote:=20

Thank you for that information.  = That's=20 something I can understand and it
goes
beyond name=20 calling.  It also allows Bill Morrow a chance to state his = side.=20

Also, I'm not too far away from my next Thinkpad and I havent = decided=20 yet if
it'll
be a new one or a used one, so I'm looking = for info=20 on the places to avoid.
But
I want it to be good info.=20

I'm sorry if I seem to be over-reacting but I do believe in = fair=20 play.=20

Barry=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Emanuel Brown=20 <epbrown01@worldnet.att.net>
To: ThinkPad List=20 <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 = 5:14 PM=20
Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies=20

>On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:30:48 +0800, "Zilim"=20 <zilim@tm.net.my> wrote:
>>Aw, c'mon.  Did = you not=20 read the first posting to this thread properly??? =
>>Bill=20 Morrow says "I'll do a short article on their tricky and = misleading=20
>>practices and post it on my web site, soon". =
>=20
> Me, I don't know if Bill should. As a reseller himself, = he=20 could be seen
>as trashing the competition. So I'll do = it!=20
> Data Path is actually already well known for being a = crappy=20 company to
>do business with. They sell primarily though=20 www.onsale.com, and a quick
>browsing of their available=20 merchandise gives a key to the situation.
>Mostly, DPT = sells=20 older IBM Thinkpad models that are either corporate =
>unloads or=20 off-lease systems. While they describe their systems as refurbs, =
>they don't exactly have the same interpretation of that = phrase=20 as people
>have come to expect. Rather than replacing = worn parts=20 and bringing the
>system up to "like new" = condition=20 (which they say is "factory
>refurbished"), = they simply=20 format the drive and install DOS, wipe the
>system off, = and ship=20 it out.
> Since most of the systems are older (3 years or = more in=20 most cases),
>they've seen some hard use and show it. = Keys are=20 worn, cases scratched,
>displays faded. DPT also has = apparently=20 gotten into the habit of offering
>systems before they = receive=20 them from whatever companies or other sources
>they get = them=20 from, meaning they rarely ship on time. I think the longest =
>I've=20 heard of someone waiting for a laptop is about 2 months. They=20
>typically state 10 business days, but that's apparently = viewed=20 as just a
>suggestion, not a goal they're interested in = meeting.=20
> Their idea of fast service is charging your credit card = in a=20 timely
>manner, their idea of a warranty is the same as = Houdini's=20 idea of handcuffs
>- something to get out of in as little = time as=20 possible. I view Onsale's
>continued association with = this=20 company as more evidence of that companies
>decline. =
> In=20 summary, they're the equivalent of the used car lot that sells=20
>disguised police cars, taxi cabs, and rental units, = though they=20 aren't
>quite as moral. On the plus side, they're = over-priced,=20 though.
> epbrown
>Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01=20
>Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/= ~epbrown01/sony505.html=20
>Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/= subscribe/sony505=20
>Bid on my IBM 560:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D74805388=20
>

 =20

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...=20

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad = User=20 Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html<= /A>=20
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net=20
770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al...=20

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your = mileage will=20 vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do = not try=20 this at home..
 

------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01BE6F1C.7D8B4840-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 15 23:44:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21090 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29179; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:41:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29042; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29029; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from munx (user-38ld0ek.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.212]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08118 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:40:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990315234441.00ab1ec0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:46:47 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <199903152003.PAA08606@smtp1.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990315143048.00bb6790@pop.mindspring.com> <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone here know what the email address of Data Path Tech is? I'm curious to know what their Ebay feedback rating is. Thanks, Greg L From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 00:40:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21566 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01587; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01500; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01481; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-111.gate.net [207.36.212.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA49378; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <36EDEDFE.BCD9027F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:37:02 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lara CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <3.0.1.32.19990315143048.00bb6790@pop.mindspring.com> <199903151908.OAA00116@smtp3.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990315130720.00ba9280@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <4.1.19990314212931.00ac0410@rcf.usc.edu> <36EC16BD.F1CE649B@icanect.net> <003b01be6e49$0aaf9660$25b6c898@cueve> <4.1.19990315234441.00ab1ec0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: support@datapath.com Greg Lara wrote: > Does anyone here know what the email address of Data Path Tech is? I'm > curious to know what their Ebay feedback rating is. > > Thanks, > > Greg L -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 00:43:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21595 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01947; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01808; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01773; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-111.gate.net [207.36.212.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA329354 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: <36EDEEB6.84880847@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:40:06 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770X For Sale and 14gig HDD References: <001601be6ebd$90bf8f20$d421480c@jhv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My personal 770X is for sale.. reason is the 770Z arrives tuesday.. i will sell the 14gig drive from the 770Z either with the 770X or seperately this usnit is NOT refurbished, it does not need to be.. :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 08:42:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24753 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23802; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:39:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23648; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (deimos.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.17.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23575; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hal.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (hal.cl-ki.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.141.2]) by deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05856 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (leon.cl-ki.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.141.232]) by hal.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA40984 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:37:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00368 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:00 +0100 (MET) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Subject: Help: TP600, Linux, serial devices Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Dear List, once more I have to bother you with a problem. This time it is the serial port on my TP600 (2645-210) that doesn't work. I have compiled serial support into the kernel (Red Hat 5.1, 2.0.35). However, upon bootup the system reports Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled So, no serial ports are recognized. Nor does setserial recognize the UART of the serial port. [root@leon linux]# setserial /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 The funny thing is that the serial port _is_ working in Windows 95. I can use a modem on this port. No problem there. Does anybody on this list know how to enable the serial port under Linux? Any tricks? TIA, Alexander PS: Please send a personal copy to me. -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 09:08:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24973 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25099; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:04:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24981; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24967; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA01119; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:05:19 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17476; Tue, 16 Mar 99 13:51:28 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:57:15 +0000 To: ThinkPad List , Alexander Krumeich Subject: [TP755C] Memory parity/bad mem problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 755C which has developed a bad memory error in the lower=20= 4MB of memory, i=2Ee=2E the mem on the motherboard=2E My options seem to be: a) extract the motherboard and reflow the memory chips - is this=20= likely to be tricky? I have access to an SM workstation here=2E b) expand the SO DIMM up to 32MB from the current 16MB - I've heard=20= that this maps out the motherboard memory so hopefully the error will=20= be ignored - but has anyone tried this? c) Are there any BIOS setup tricks to get round it? I can run the thing with 3=2E7 MB of memory at the moment but is't=20= painfully slow for anything apart from DOS=2E - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 12:31:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27202 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10709; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:27:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10559; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10545; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA25797 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:27:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:27:38 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (OT) My experience with Datapath Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I purchased four IBM PS/ValuePoint PC's from Datapath through Onsale. They listed a specific model number. The model listed has a Pentium Overdrive socket. Of the four computers, none were the model quoted on the auction description. Two did have the overdrive socket, and they were pretty much what I expected. I sent the other two back (at their expense). One was returned, again with no Overdrive socket. I called several times, wrote a letter, and called again. After several weeks, they gave me another RMA and sent two machines that had the Overdrive socket. The CPU's were of differeing speeds, but all were at least as fast as the auction description. With enough persistence, Datapath (now Intelesale) delivered what they promised. However, I will not be eager to do more business with them. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 13:16:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27932 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13174; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:13:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13055; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13042; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-234.usc.edu [128.125.224.234]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA01183 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990316100554.00ae58c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:11:20 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: (OT) My experience with Datapath In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:27 AM 3/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >I purchased four IBM PS/ValuePoint PC's from Datapath through Onsale. They >listed a specific model number. The model listed has a Pentium Overdrive >socket. >I sent the other two back (at their expense). One was returned, again with >no Overdrive socket. I called several times, wrote a letter, and called >again. After several weeks, they gave me another RMA and sent two machines >that had the Overdrive socket. The CPU's were of differeing speeds, but >all were at least as fast as the auction description. > >With enough persistence, Datapath (now Intelesale) delivered what they >promised. However, I will not be eager to do more business with them. The issue appears to be that this is more the norm than the exception. You simply shouldn't have to *make* multiple phone calls or write any letters in the first place. That's a serious problem. If you know in advance that you're 50% likely to get something other than what was advertised, and then spend a number of weeks after the fact rectifying the situation (even if it is rectified successfully), it should be pretty clear that "not eager to do again" is an understatement. That's just plain poor, sloppy business. If not for the anonymity of doing business on-line or by mail-order, they would be *out* of business, pure and simple. There's an endless supply of unsuspecting new suckers looking for a good deal (not realizing it will be a screw job), so they don't have to worry too much about customer retention. --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 14:20:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28897 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16357; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16187; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16172; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:12 -0500 Sender: bbender@csi.com Received: from brianb-tp (isdn242.vocollect.com [209.166.154.242]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id OAA05362 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Bender" To: "'Thinkpads'" Subject: Palmrests AGAIN! Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be6fe1$569e6b20$6437a8c0@brianb-tp.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Oh, for crying out loud! This is the third time in TWO $4000 machines (twice with my 770, and now with my 4 month old 600) that I've had the stupid paint bubble and peel on the palmrests. This is really embarrassing if you're IBM to have this kind of problem in your flagship lines. What am I supposed to do, stop working when my hands start to sweat a little? I'm going to be persistent with EasyServ this time -- I want them to send _me_ a new keyboard bezel. I can replace it myself, thankyouverymuch. I shouldn't have to live without a $4k machine for a week every quarter or so just to have the shell fixed. >:-\ Done griping, sorry. And yes, I crossposted it to Bill's web-board. Extra sorry if you had to see me gripe twice.... :-) ============================================= - Brian Bender Thinkpad 600, 300MHZ, 128MB RAM, 5GB HDD Former owner of: 770 (200MHZ), 560 (120MHZ), 755CSE (DX4/100) Currently running WinNT 4.0 SP4 and playing with Linux afterhours... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 14:33:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29096 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17178; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17071; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17049; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18603 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "'Thinkpads'" Subject: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this In-Reply-To: <001a01be6fe1$569e6b20$6437a8c0@brianb-tp.internal> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This is somewhat off-topic, but I know a lot of Linux users here run dual-boot setups on our Thinkpads because our work requires us to use a Microsoft OS. It looks like we'll finally be able to do that in a Linux window (and vice versa if you want): http://www.vmware.com/ -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 15:29:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29905 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20229; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:24:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19966; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (pads1.pa.msu.edu [35.8.48.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19953; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id PAA01379; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:24:11 -0500 Message-ID: <36EEBEB1.B2CB766D@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:27:29 -0500 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: alternating 2 network setups in NT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask this or not, I've looked a bit for help with this but haven't found a solution. I have a new 560x running windows NT with an ethernet pcmcia card and want to be able to use it at home and work. At home it needs to get it's network setup from a DHCP server (cable modem) and I have a fixed ip number for it at work. I've gotten it working at both home and work, but don't know how to easily alternate between the two setups. It seems like "hardware profiles" in NT would be the answer, but I haven't been able to figure it out. I'm able to hot plug (in, not out reliably) the pcmcia card using the card wizard, will it have anything to do with two network setups? Thanks, Tom Rockwell rockwell@pa.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 16:06:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00532 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22721; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:02:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22484; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (mx.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22454; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (host-220.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.220] (may be forged)) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA20638; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0003392D; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:27 -0800 Message-ID: <0003392D.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Re: alternating 2 network setups in NT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Tom Rockwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: Tom: do a search on Yahoo for shareware called "Netswitcher". I'd give you the exact URl, but it's not on this machine. It does exactly what you need, without having to tweak W95 or NT profiles. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: alternating 2 network setups in NT Author: Tom Rockwell at Internet Date: 3/16/99 3:27 PM Hi, I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask this or not, I've looked a bit for help with this but haven't found a solution. I have a new 560x running windows NT with an ethernet pcmcia card and want to be able to use it at home and work. At home it needs to get it's network setup from a DHCP server (cable modem) and I have a fixed ip number for it at work. I've gotten it working at both home and work, but don't know how to easily alternate between the two setups. It seems like "hardware profiles" in NT would be the answer, but I haven't been able to figure it out. I'm able to hot plug (in, not out reliably) the pcmcia card using the card wizard, will it have anything to do with two network setups? Thanks, Tom Rockwell rockwell@pa.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 16:11:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00589 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23234; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23143; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23123; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:35 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id QAA06142 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:08:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903162108.QAA06142@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: alternating 2 network setups in NT List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:27 -0800, Mitchell Yee wrote: > do a search on Yahoo for shareware called "Netswitcher". > I'd give you the exact URl, but it's not on this machine. > It does exactly what you need, without having to tweak > W95 or NT profiles. www.netswitcher.com It's U$9 and more than worth it! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 16:49:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01096 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25393; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25253; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25228; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.179.71]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990316214629.VCLW682101.mta1-rme@smtp.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:46:29 +1300 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:59:56 +1300 From: Ron Bena X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.15) S/N 32D33ED1 Reply-To: Ron Bena X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11416.990317@usa.net> To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Buying Refurbished Computers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Have been reading with interest the posts re purchasing refurbished computers (especially TP's), and buyers' experiences. The Datapath (now Intelesale) story has a familiar sound. In Australia where I do business, there have been a number of failed refurbished computer resellers who provided less than what was advertised, and little or no recourse for dissatisfied customers. The reduced prices were appealing, but not the merchandise when it was different from what was advertised. The savings turned out too good to be true. It would appear safe to purchase from computer manufacturers who provided their own warranties for their refurbished equipment? I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable path, and what is not. Many thanks. Regards, Ron Bena ronbena@usa.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 17:24:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01569 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27267; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27164; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27143; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19996 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Buying Refurbished Computers In-Reply-To: <11416.990317@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Ron Bena wrote: > > I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, > re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable > path, and what is not. I got my 560E refurbished from PC Connection - a major mail-order reseller. As far as I could tell, the system was identical to new, with all components included (software unopened). I asked them what made it a refurb, and they told me sometimes the box is damaged, or someone opens a box by accident or to answer a customer question. I asked if returned notebooks are refurbs, and they said no, they send those back to the manufacturer. Not sure I believe that. About the only bad thing I can say is that it didn't come with an IBM warranty (1 year anyway), but I took a risk and bought a 3rd party warranty (5 years, cancel at any time with reimbursement for remaining time). They told me I could look over the terms and cancel it for a full refund if I didn't like it. But the terms weren't mailed to me until 40 days after I bought it, and the return period was 30 days after purchase. Blah. The legalese sounds like everything is covered, although I have yet to test it. Overall I'm happy with it. But next time I will probably spend a couple hundred US$ more to buy new and rely on my credit card to add an extra year of warranty. Too much aggravation worrying about whether the machine would turn out to be trashed, or if the aftermarket warranty would be any good. Most companies consider sales of refurbs to be final so if you don't like it, you're still stuck with it. I imagine with more money at stake (i.e. the higher-priced models), I might feel differently. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 17:44:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01808 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28003; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:35:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27898; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27885; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:34:29 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id RAA24590 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:33:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903162233.RAA24590@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:32:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Buying Refurbished Computers List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:21:18 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >Overall I'm happy with it. But next time I will probably >spend a couple hundred US$ more to buy new and rely on my >credit card to add an extra year of warranty. Too much >aggravation worrying about whether the machine would turn out >to be trashed, or if the aftermarket warranty would be any >good. Most companies consider sales of refurbs to be final so >if you don't like it, you're still stuck with it. > >I imagine with more money at stake (i.e. the higher-priced >models), I might feel differently. I believe (based on no proof whatsoever) that a "refurbished" older model is often just old stock that someone (distributor or manufacturer) is selling cheap and "refurbished" is an excuse that protects their sales (i.e. it isn't explicit that a machine is selling for 60% of its price a month ago, this one is "refurbished" and completely different). I've also heard (in the case of small appliances, which may or may not be the same) that a unit that fails some assembly-line check and circles back around for adjustment is likely to be "refurbished". For instance, it might be obvious that the case was unscrewed and rescrewed, which will cause aggravation if sold "new", so it gets dumped as refurbished. Finally, that to protect themselves from retaliation from their retail channel, manufacturers will sell stuff as "refurbished" at a discount through factory stores. Again they can't just sell new stock that way for fear of offending their retailers. Any comments from someone who actually _knows_, unlike myself? andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 17:50:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01902 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28885; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:47:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28797; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28784; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20181 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:47:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Buying Refurbished Computers In-Reply-To: <199903162233.RAA24590@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > > I believe (based on no proof whatsoever) that a "refurbished" older > model is often just old stock that someone (distributor or > manufacturer) is selling cheap and "refurbished" is an excuse that > protects their sales (i.e. it isn't explicit that a machine is > selling for 60% of its price a month ago, this one is "refurbished" > and completely different). Well, in my case, I had a choice between a new 560E for $1299 or a refurb for $999. The availability of the refurb was sporadic too - it would disappear and reappear on their web site as the "in stock" flag changed. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 20:36:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03581 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04809; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:33:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04625; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04610; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic38.fbtc.net [204.2.11.38]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA20373; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:33:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004c01be7015$96718a00$8245c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:29:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I didn't realize Compuserve had a Thinkpad forum? Are they still active? Barry -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies >At 09:32 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a couple of things from him, called >>about at least one thing that I had a concern about, always been happy >with the >>service. You find out how important that kind of reliability and service is >>when you have a problem with the purchase--even if only a perceived problem. > >Same here. And Bill was a mainstay on CompuServe's ThinkPad forum where >there's very little tolerance for any shenanigans. > >Jane > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 21:06:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03839 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06069; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:03:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05955; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05941; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.249]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990317020225.FUNF7848@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:02:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990316210128.00b6cdf0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:01:28 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies In-Reply-To: <004c01be7015$96718a00$8245c998@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:29 PM 3/16/99 -0600, Barry Marks wrote: >I didn't realize Compuserve had a Thinkpad forum? >Are they still active? > Yes, but IBM doesn't sponsor it any more. They pulled out to go to their dreadful web-based forum, and Larry Something (can't remember) picked it up. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 16 23:13:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04926 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14796; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14513; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14484; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-226.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-226.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.226]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id NAA26974; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:08:12 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: ThinkPad List Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: Buying Refurbished Computers Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:09:19 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <11416.990317@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <11416.990317@usa.net> Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: In article <11416.990317@usa.net>, Ron Bena wrote: >I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, >re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable >path, and what is not. ...but only if you're in the USA (or have a bud there). :-( -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD Be labz 9 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 06:46:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA08218 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09136; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08655; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08628; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp760 (p22.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.37]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA24652; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:36:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903171136.DAA24652@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Hon Yau" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:03:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:09:39 +0000 (GMT), Hon Yau wrote: >Hello, > >I installed the extra RAM into my 760ED and think I can make some >preliminary remarks on the effect of taking the machine past the cacheable >limit. > >First of all, I think I can confirm Vince@MCESTATE's assertion that *none* >of the RAM is now L2-cached. I wrote a small test program which accesses >an array which should live entirely inside cache and have the figures on >Linux (100 to 99% CPU usage): Actually, a friend told me that 256K of L2 cache (like this machine has) is only good when you're caching about 16-32MB. Above that, you'll need 512K or more. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 760ED http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 06:46:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA08224 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09101; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08652; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08629; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp760 (p22.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.37]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA24658; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:36:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903171136.DAA24658@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Hon Yau" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 18:05:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results List-Unsubscribe: >So, my conclusions is that in the very worst scenarios, I'll lose 10% of >performance. But for the vast majority of my work, both Linux and NT >applications subjectively run faster. I guess the other thing to put into perspective is which you would rather have - fast RAM, or a slow hard drive (but with less system slowdown because you don't exceed the cacheable memory). -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 760ED http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 09:03:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09113 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14288; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:57:53 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13999; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA22348 for dist-thinkpad; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22166; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02983 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:50:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02837 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE6EF3.70219570@ntmail.doble.com>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Roger Grady'" Subject: RE: New Hard drive installation problem Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:52:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Drat I forgot about that problem. The version of PHDISK used in the 365ED does not like anything over 2 gig it seems. I also had to use Ontrack's Disk Manager for Win95 to handle the disk properly (to get it out of compatibility mode). PHDISK will not work with Ontrack so I get the error message at bootup. I do not use safe suspend (suspend to disk) so it is not a problem for me. I tried to use upgraded versions of PHDISK and it did not work. I also seem to remember that if you used the 365ED version of PHDISK that it will corrupt data on the disk because it will write stuff in the wrong place (like an in-use partition). So assume your partitions are hosed and start again. Check the archives for a message I sent within the past year or so about 3 gig drives and the 365ED. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Roger Grady [SMTP:k9opo@netusa1.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 3:50 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Hard drive installation problem I've run into a (to me) serious problem installing a new Travelstar 3.2gb drive in my 365ED. After getting the drive physically into the computer and booting to a DOS prompt from the floppy, I first ran PHDISK to create the hibernate partition on the drive. This was successfully created according to the output from PHDISK. I then ran FDISK to create primary and secondary DOS partitions with 3 logical drive (C:, D:, E:), and FORMAT to format the 3 drives. So far so good. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 09:43:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09419 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16221; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:39:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16108; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16087; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter (142.90.100.91) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:38:58 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" Subject: IBM FORUM was Re: Data Path Technologies Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: <01be7083$8f0be260$5b645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: I can definetly vouch for the fact thtat it's awfull. I was there again over the last couple of days . IT is SLOW , BUGGY , does not work well etc . Passwords sometimes work and then they don't . NOTE this is the improved version from a couple of months ago . It is actually worse now. IT is amazingly bad !!!! Also it's not used much ...by either Customers (users ) or by IBM. ;-{ There are many unanswered questions posted. And it's slow ..... ..peter.. ----->>I didn't realize Compuserve had a Thinkpad forum? >>Are they still active? >> > >Yes, but IBM doesn't sponsor it any more. They pulled out to go to their >dreadful web-based forum, and Larry Something (can't remember) picked it up. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 09:47:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09467 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16792; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16695; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16670; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id GAA12249 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:43:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990317063935.00b66730@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:43:09 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Two IBM hardware announcements today In-Reply-To: <36E89452.AA1374B8@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990311074929.00c843a0@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For those who don't subscribe to the IBM announcement newsletter, here are two that might be of interest. ThinkPad 390 option: 10.0GB hard drive http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-067 ThinkPad 390E availability: prices, specs and more ($1900-$3100) http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-068 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 10:27:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09851 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19367; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19243; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from agaduluexchsrv1.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (tan7.ncr.com [192.127.94.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19219; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4CB2@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> From: "Sekura, Bart" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Two IBM hardware announcements today Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:23:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Cool! I have i1720 and the 10.0GB option sounds really interesting. Anybody used a secondary hdd in ultra bay? what's it like? is it convenient? or maybe it's better to replace your primary hdd... thanks, bart > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldman [SMTP:dgoldman@best.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:43 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Two IBM hardware announcements today > > For those who don't subscribe to the IBM announcement newsletter, here > are two that might be of interest. > > ThinkPad 390 option: 10.0GB hard drive > http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-067 > > ThinkPad 390E availability: prices, specs and more ($1900-$3100) > http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-068 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 12:50:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11336 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28511; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:33:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28247; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28217; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA29213 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:05 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann Reply-To: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > Actually, a friend told me that 256K of L2 cache (like this machine has) > is only good when you're caching about 16-32MB. Above that, you'll need > 512K or more. Your friend was incorrect. The size of the cache determines how well it can handle a data set. If your code works on chunks of data that fit in the 256K cache, then it will perform well if you have 1GB of RAM. Coversely, if the code works on data sets of 5MB, then your 256K cache won't help, even if you have only 16MB of RAM. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 14:06:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12172 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05851; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:01:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05626; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05578; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc2-134.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.134]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11297 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:59:14 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:00:33 -0300 Message-ID: <000501be70a8$6f6d4000$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello again. Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. Any comments ? Thanks and regards from Uruguay. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 14:59:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12748 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08689; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:48:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08443; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.95.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08416; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.12.8]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990317194721.FQUY25848@tm.net.my>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:47:21 +0800 Message-ID: <36F00657.B9FCF87@tm.net.my> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:45:27 +0800 From: Zilim Organization: M Track Auto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade References: <000501be70a8$6f6d4000$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Harry, Has your ISP upgraded to V.90 yet? If not, then you usually get connected at V.34 - 33600bps. This usually happens to V.90 modem. I've upgraded to the latest V.90 driver for my TP770ED from IBM and still no change. The highest I get is still at 40000bps (my ISP is V.90 compliant). My external USRobotics Sportster 56K V.90 gets connected at 50666bps. Sigh! Regards, Peter Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello again. > > Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > Any comments ? > > Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** -- Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- "I'm living on a one-way, dead-end street." -- s.w. ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 15:00:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12756 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09183; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:56:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09062; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09033; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from g3dj3 (ATL2B102-01.splitrock.net [209.252.144.1]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30648 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be70b0$25115340$0190fcd1@g3dj3> Reply-To: "MorningMist" From: "MorningMist" To: "ThinkPad Listserv" Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:53:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Harry, Sorry to hear your connections have not improved. Prior to installing v 1.5, I could not connect above 32000. After applied the upgrade, 44000. I do have clean phone lines and connect as high as 52000 with a USR v.90 modem in a desktop system. Other than uninstalling and reinstalling to be certain the update was applied or posting to the IBM Forum, I don't have any suggestions. Different ISPs sometimes have issues with particular modems. Give your ISP a call or email their tech support. -Linda morningmist@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Teszler To: Thinkpad List Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 2:00 PM Subject: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade >Hello again. > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > >Any comments ? > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > >***************************************************************** >Harry Teszler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 15:16:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12904 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10649; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:10:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10275; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10244; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-100.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.100]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17985; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:07:32 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Zilim" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:05:04 -0300 Message-ID: <001101be70b1$72e0a5c0$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36F00657.B9FCF87@tm.net.my> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA10649 My ISP is equipped with USR modems all V90. And I also have an external USRobotics Sportster 56K V.90 that connected with my 770 ED gets a 56 KV90 conection. So it has to be the drivers. But I think they are many that still have the same problem as we do. Thanks anyway for your reply. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Zilim [mailto:zilim@tm.net.my] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 16:45 > To: Harry Teszler > Cc: Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > Harry, > > Has your ISP upgraded to V.90 yet? If not, then you usually get > connected at V.34 - 33600bps. This usually happens to V.90 modem. I'v= e > upgraded to the latest V.90 driver for my TP770ED from IBM and still no > change. The highest I get is still at 40000bps (my ISP is V.90 > compliant). My external USRobotics Sportster 56K V.90 gets connected a= t > 50666bps. Sigh! > > Regards, > > Peter > > Harry Teszler wrote: > > > Hello again. > > > > Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > > I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > > Any comments ? > > > > Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > > > ***************************************************************** > > Harry Teszler > > > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > > +598 2 2003996 > > > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > > ***************************************************************** > > -- > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "I'm living on a one-way, dead-end street." -- s.w. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 15:18:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12915 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10904; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:12:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10580; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10524; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-100.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.100]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18276; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:09:43 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "MorningMist" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:07:11 -0300 Message-ID: <001201be70b1$be2d1360$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <001f01be70b0$25115340$0190fcd1@g3dj3> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA10904 I did what you suggested but, no way. Thanks anyway. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: MorningMist [mailto:morningmist@prodigy.net] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 16:54 > To: ThinkPad Listserv > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > Harry, Sorry to hear your connections have not improved. Prior to > installing v 1.5, I could not connect above 32000. After applied the > upgrade, 44000. I do have clean phone lines and connect as high as 5200= 0 > with a USR v.90 modem in a desktop system. Other than uninstalling and > reinstalling to be certain the update was applied or posting to the IBM > Forum, I don't have any suggestions. Different ISPs sometimes have > issues with particular modems. Give your ISP a call or email their tech > support. > > -Linda > morningmist@prodigy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harry Teszler > To: Thinkpad List > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 2:00 PM > Subject: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > >Hello again. > > > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > >Any comments ? > > > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > > > > >***************************************************************** > >Harry Teszler > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 15:37:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13144 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12646; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:34:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12533; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12503; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903172034.PAA12503@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 1989 13:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:34:13 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: UltraSlimBay HDD adaptor List-Unsubscribe: Quick question. Does the UltraSlimBayAdaptor on the TP600 take a bare drive, or does it require a caddy? -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 15:55:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13338 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13971; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:52:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13869; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13754; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-28.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.28]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19263; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:53:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990317155312.014bbf8c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:53:12 -0500 To: "Harry Teszler" , "Thinkpad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade In-Reply-To: <000501be70a8$6f6d4000$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: >Hello again. > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > >Any comments ? > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be ashamed. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 16:05:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13455 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14883; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:02:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14749; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14671; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-100.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.100]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23592 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:59:32 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:52:57 -0300 Message-ID: <001301be70b8$23363100$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990317155312.014bbf8c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA14883 Well IBM should be ashamed of selling an expensive machine with such a modem. But I still do not understand why is it so difficult to correct that. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 17:53 > To: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: > >Hello again. > > > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > >Any comments ? > > > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, > XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into > the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be > ashamed. :) > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 16:38:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13867 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16918; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:33:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16719; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (ns1.brightware.com [206.156.118.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16691; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07666; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:32:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004d01be70bd$a1f52500$0201a8c0@zorro.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Victor Kress" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay HDD adaptor Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:32:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Bare drive or drive with caddy. The drive essentially drops into a bay and you push it home on the connector. Then you click a plastic holder shut. You may need to put a slim piece of card underneath the drive to limit movement but I think you could do without. David -----Original Message----- From: Victor Kress To: Thinkpad Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: UltraSlimBay HDD adaptor >Quick question. Does the UltraSlimBayAdaptor on the TP600 take a bare drive, or >does it require a caddy? > >-Victor >________________________________ >Victor Kress >Geological Sciences >Box 351310 >University of Washington >Seattle, Washington >98195-1310 > >(206)616-8512 >kress@u.washington.edu > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 16:49:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13961 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18061; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:45:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17930; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17904; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA27910 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:45:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA01052 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:45:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903172145.WAA01052@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: TP 701 and new 3.2GB Drive To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:45:09 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I finally bought a bigger drive for my TP701C (from 540 aka 520 aka 516 --- why do I get three different numbers for one drive, depending on the software I ask? --- to 3.2GB. Whew!). The new drive is an IBM DTCA 23240 (3.2 GB) Notebook-disc, 2.5" x 12mm. Does anybody know whether this is one of the discs (and my computer one of the computers) where I have to do that little amputation on the selector pins (or whatever they are called)? Also, does anybody have any idea how to get my Win95 and Linux from one drive onto the other, especially seeing as I bought the computer used and didn't actually get the Win95CD? I've got a PCMCIA Network-card and access to a LAN (and enough free disc-space), so that might offer a possibility. I do not think we have any EIDE desktops, though, it's all SCSI... Any ideas? Thanks Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 16:54:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14034 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19222; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:51:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19067; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18993; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19260 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:51:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19250 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:51:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990317165030.00bdfa20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:50:30 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade In-Reply-To: <001f01be70b0$25115340$0190fcd1@g3dj3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:53 PM 3/17/99 -0500, MorningMist wrote: >Harry, Sorry to hear your connections have not improved. Prior to >installing v 1.5, I could not connect above 32000. After applied the >upgrade, 44000. I do have clean phone lines and connect as high as 52000 >with a USR v.90 modem in a desktop system. > Is the throughput significantly different when you're using the two modems? Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 17:00:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14109 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19892; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19779; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19659; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-157.usc.edu [128.125.224.157]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA15454; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:56:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990317124758.00ae8af0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:48:54 -0800 To: "Victor Kress" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay HDD adaptor In-Reply-To: <199903172034.PAA12503@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:34 PM 3/17/99 +0000, you wrote: >Quick question. Does the UltraSlimBayAdaptor on the TP600 take a bare >drive, or does it require a caddy? Fits better with the caddy, but I don't think it would be "required" by any stretch of the imagination. If I didn't have a caddy, I'd shove a wad of paper in there to keep things stable. :-) - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 17:10:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14220 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20845; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:06:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20758; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20726; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02942 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:08:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:08:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C - W95 install List-Unsubscribe: All - I've made rather a grave mistake, and left the door to my office open durin= g lunch. Someone [!#@$@!$@!$@!$!] has swiped the hard disk from my 701C, whi= ch was removed from the unit and sitting on the desk. I'm left with a formerl= y functional Thinkpad, a spare 12.5mm disk, and an Adaptec 1460 PCMCIA SCSI.= =20 I'd intended to replace the original drive, but hadn't counted on doing a command performance ;(. Does anyone know the trick to get W95 [on CD] installed via the adaptec? TTIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 17-Mar-99 Time: 14:01:19 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 17:53:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14827 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23258; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:49:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23114; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23100; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27009 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:48:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA06911 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE709D.F64C8960@ntmail.doble.com>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Steven Filling'" Subject: RE: 701C - W95 install Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:45:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, It is for times like these that I keep a bootable "recovery" diskette that has all the drivers and programs needed for a restore from tape or CD. I have been through disk crashes, disk upgrades, etc and having a bootable diskette is handy. If you have another working windows system you should be able to make up a bootable "Dos" disk (with the dos portion of windows). You need to get the dos drivers for the PCMCIA chip the 701c uses (from IBM) and the adaptec SCSI card (from Adaptec). They should be available from their web sites. Modify the config.sys and autoexec.bat file on the diskette to load the drivers. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Steven Filling [SMTP:steven@panoptic.csustan.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:08 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C - W95 install All - I've made rather a grave mistake, and left the door to my office open during lunch. Someone [!#@$@!$@!$@!$!] has swiped the hard disk from my 701C, which was removed from the unit and sitting on the desk. I'm left with a formerly functional Thinkpad, a spare 12.5mm disk, and an Adaptec 1460 PCMCIA SCSI. I'd intended to replace the original drive, but hadn't counted on doing a command performance ;(. Does anyone know the trick to get W95 [on CD] installed via the adaptec? TTIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 17-Mar-99 Time: 14:01:19 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 18:14:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15024 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18587; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:47:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18288; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18205; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (client-118-27.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.27]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA49744; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:46:39 GMT Message-ID: <000e01be70bf$a364a8a0$1b76c697@thinkpad> From: "Don" To: "Harry Teszler" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:46:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA18587 I don't think it is necessarily a crappy modem. It could be a compatabili= ty issue with the provider or line noise. At home I get 26400 on one line and 41000 on the other. At the office I steadily get a connection of 51300. Apparently, you really need clear lines something I would hope they would account for in the code. Don Well IBM should be ashamed of selling an expensive machine with such a modem. But I still do not understand why is it so difficult to correct that. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 17:53 > To: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: > >Hello again. > > > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > >Any comments ? > > > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, > XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into > the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be > ashamed. :) > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 18:14:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15034 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24372; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:10:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24224; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from app1.netzero.net ([209.14.79.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24211; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13513 invoked by uid 0); 17 Mar 1999 23:10:41 -0000 Received: from pppa38-tucson5-1r127.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.219.164) by 209.14.79.125 with SMTP; 17 Mar 1999 23:10:41 -0000 Message-ID: <36F0362B.4C699A7C@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:09:31 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sven Utcke , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 and new 3.2GB Drive References: <199903172145.WAA01052@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sven Utcke wrote: > > Hi, > > I finally bought a bigger drive for my TP701C (from 540 aka 520 aka > 516 --- why do I get three different numbers for one drive, depending > on the software I ask? --- to 3.2GB. Whew!). The new drive is an IBM > DTCA 23240 (3.2 GB) Notebook-disc, 2.5" x 12mm. Hardware is measured in decimal bytes, i.e., 1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes 1 megabyte = 1000 x 1000 bytes .............................. Software uses binary bytes, i.e., 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes 1 megabyte = 1024 x 1024 bytes 1 gigabyte = 1024 x 1024 x 1024 bytes ..................................... 1024 = 2 exp 10 Also: Hardware types usually count beginning with origin 0 (i.e., first byte) while software types usually count beginning with origin 1 (i.e., first byte). jclerm@aztec.asu.edu ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 19:18:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15822 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29546; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:14:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29244; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29225; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-045-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.109]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04419; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:13:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36F04519.15B73CDB@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:13:13 -0700 From: Wabe Brillig Reply-To: brillig@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade References: <000501be70a8$6f6d4000$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As an ISP owner/ operator, as well as a long time owner of Thinkpads since 1995, I can tell you the IBM MWave modems have always been trouble for certain ISP's. Certain digital equipment that many ISP's use just won't work right with many IBM Thinkpad Mwave modems.... and not much can be done about it because the ISP equipment change will cost a minimum of $12,000. We don't have that trouble with most other modems (sometimes certain Lucent modems) IBM has know about this for at least three or four years (August of 1995 I think) and seems to have done nothing about it. ISP's aren't going to go to the expense to do it.... But many ISP's do have another connection phone number for modems that don't work. It is an analog rather than digital... and I suspect it won't work with 56k or v.90 but I don't know as we have never tried it. We just tell customers up front that we don't promise fast connections with Thinkpad Internal MWave modems. Changing drivers doesn't seem to help much. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 19:19:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15846 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29840; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:14:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29383; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (root@[207.238.245.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29346; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29786 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:11:44 -0600 From: Pooh Message-Id: <199903180011.SAA29786@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Subject: bestway to clean sticky keys.. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:11:44 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone out there got a good solution (other than sending in for repair) for cleaning my 560E's sticky keys and power switch? I couple of months ago I got a litle careless with my sprite and some of it dribbled into my 560E's keyboard and power switch....now the power switch is impossible to actuate unless I gt a flathead screwdriver and pry it on and some of my fkeys are still pretty sticky....I hate to keep tearing up my power switch..and..plus it's now a pain to turn it on or of...which kinda negates my reasons for having a laptop (just whip it out and power up) any suggestions? -Jeff -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." Programmer/Analyst | -Prince City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: email: | | Sacred Soul Records | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com/~bbs/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 19:32:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15989 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01600; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:29:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01475; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01424; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.133]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990318002833.LSZP28604@770>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:28:33 +0000 Message-ID: <36F04861.53F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:27:13 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pooh CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: bestway to clean sticky keys.. References: <199903180011.SAA29786@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IF you are REALLY careful and use some plastic wrap to cover the innards, component cleaner (TV tuner cleaner)spray from Radio Shack works wonders! Even cures the "bad" mouse buttons on 755 machines! Pooh wrote: > > Anyone out there got a good solution (other than sending in for repair) for > cleaning my 560E's sticky keys and power switch? I couple of months ago I > got a litle careless with my sprite and some of it dribbled into my 560E's > keyboard and power switch....now the power switch is impossible to actuate > unless I gt a flathead screwdriver and pry it on and some of my fkeys are > still pretty sticky....I hate to keep tearing up my power switch..and..plus > it's now a pain to turn it on or of...which kinda negates my reasons for > having a laptop (just whip it out and power up) > > any suggestions? > > -Jeff > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." > Programmer/Analyst | -Prince > City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- > ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: > email: | | Sacred Soul Records > | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | > |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com > Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com > finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- > http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com/~bbs/index.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 19:42:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16141 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02675; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:38:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02570; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from chas.org (surf4825.jacksonville.net [24.129.51.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02551; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from home ([chas.org]) by 127.0.0.1 ( IA Mail Server Version: 02.2.0 Build: 02036 ) ) ; 18 Mar 99 00:37:02 UT Message-Id: <4.1.19990317193040.00946810@207.98.192.83> X-Sender: cclarke@207.98.192.83 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:37:00 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Charles Clarke Subject: refurbished TPs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Ron Bena wrote: > > I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, > re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable > path, and what is not. I bought a refurb 770 from laptopsales.com. It came in an IBM box, sealed, with all manuals, disks, etc. It was obviously factory refurbished. Couldn't tell it wasn't new. I called IBM to register it and was told I have a three year warranty, with about a month missing. So, there are truly refurb'd TPs out there. Guess you gotta be careful to make sure you get a genuine one. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 21:01:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17073 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08551; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:56:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08306; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08264; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-28.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.28]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA09436 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:54:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990317205705.00f5ec00@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:57:05 -0500 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade In-Reply-To: <000e01be70bf$a364a8a0$1b76c697@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I've tried 4 different modems with 3 different ISPS on 4 different sets of lines at different locations to see what type of variance I would get. Guess what? The 770ED connected consistently sub 33.6 each and every time @ V.90. On the flip side, X2 connected better (40k on one ISP), but overall the other three modems consistently connect at 45000+ each and everytime. At my girlfriend's house, I connected at 51333 or 49666 everytime with the other modems, but the Mwave clocked on at 32,000 V.90 if I was lucky. Sometimes, it couldn't negotiate at all.=20 The modems I used for testing were: Diamond Supra V.90/K56flex External USR 56k V.90/X2 Sportster External Megahertz/USR XJ1560 (X2/V.90) PCMCIA Megahertz/USR XJ5560 (X2/V.90) PCMCIA The ISPs used were: AOL (Well, ok, not an ISP ) Bell Atlantic MindSpring Locations: Home Work Girlfriend's=20 Brother's An associate routinely laughed at my 770ED's modem whilst his 750DVD connected awesomely with its included, internal=20 V.90/K56flex modem. At 04:46 PM 3/17/99 -0500, Don wrote: > >I don't think it is necessarily a crappy modem. It could be a compatability >issue with the >provider or line noise. >At home I get 26400 on one line and 41000 on the other. At the office I >steadily get a >connection of 51300. >Apparently, you really need clear lines something I would hope they would >account for in the code. > >Don > > >Well IBM should be ashamed of selling an expensive machine >with such a modem. > >But I still do not understand why is it so difficult to >correct that. > > > >***************************************************************** >Harry Teszler > >hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 >harryt@redfacil.com.uy > >Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. >***************************************************************** > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] >> Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 17:53 >> To: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List >> Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade >> >> >> At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: >> >Hello again. >> > >> >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? >> > >> >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. >> > >> >Any comments ? >> > >> >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. >> >> Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, >> XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into >> the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be >> ashamed. :) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> Network and System consultation and installation >> -------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 21:02:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17088 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08547; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:56:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08370; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08335; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wabio (user-38ld02q.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.90]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25463 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990317205510.00a13f10@mail.newsguy.com> X-Sender: wicket@mail.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:55:13 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alan Wong Subject: 600E For Sale Loaded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM THINKPAD 600E 300 MHz Pentium II, 160 MB Ram, 6.6 GB HD, 13.3" Active Matrix Screen, DVD CD ROM, 56K Modem Built-in, External 3.5" Floppy Drive, 1 USB Port, 2 PCMCIA Slots, Windows '98 Paid $4600 in December. Included with this bundle will be a 3com CardBus 10/100 v.90 combo card and a Hardware DVD card made by Margi Systems. The model is DVD to GO. Asking price is $3400 Thanks, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 21:21:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17307 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09901; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:18:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09776; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09753; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08579; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:18:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "John Kim" , "'Thinkpads'" Subject: RE: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:18:08 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01be70e5$908bb810$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: It's not entirely off topic. There is a note on the VMware site that recommends against running their software on notebooks. I disregarded this advice, naturally. I'm running VMware on my Linux ThinkPad 600, and it works very nicely. I installed Win98 in a virtual machine with no problems. It's certainly not as fast as running native, but it's fine for software testing and the like. -Mike > This is somewhat off-topic, but I know a lot of Linux users > here run dual-boot setups on our Thinkpads because our work > requires us to use a Microsoft OS. It looks like we'll > finally be able to do that in a Linux window (and vice versa > if you want): > > http://www.vmware.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 22:16:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17964 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12227; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:13:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12118; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12104; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-251.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-251.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.251]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id MAA27902; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:12:11 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List , discussion@possi.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: PCMCIA network card on a ThinkPad Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:59:08 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <8vG82cByz1Ca092yn@hticn.com> Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: I've got a ThinkPad 535E (a Japan-only model something like the 560) that came with Windows 95. I'd like to install Warp 4 and add a PCMCIA network card so it can be added to our Warp Server network. Can anyone recommend an Ethernet network card (not token-ring) that works well with Warp? It doesn't necessarily have to work well or at all under Windows. Also, dependability under OS/2 is more important to me than price. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 23:33:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18913 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15129; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:30:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15003; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14990; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-32.gate.net [207.36.212.32]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA373220; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:30:30 -0500 Message-ID: <36F08144.5366AB2C@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:29:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Buying Refurbished Computers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bought a refurbished h/p laserjet.. it was the same as new, complete with warranty.. this is, to me, the meaning of refurbished.. DataPath Technologies (aka Intelesale) treads on this meaning... John Kim wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > > > > I believe (based on no proof whatsoever) that a "refurbished" older > > model is often just old stock that someone (distributor or > > manufacturer) is selling cheap and "refurbished" is an excuse that > > protects their sales (i.e. it isn't explicit that a machine is > > selling for 60% of its price a month ago, this one is "refurbished" > > and completely different). > > Well, in my case, I had a choice between a new 560E for $1299 > or a refurb for $999. The availability of the refurb was > sporadic too - it would disappear and reappear on their web > site as the "in stock" flag changed. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 23:35:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18938 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15425; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:32:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15266; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15233; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-32.gate.net [207.36.212.32]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA323560; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <36F081B5.C3B5C376@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:31:49 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <004c01be7015$96718a00$8245c998@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Barry.. yes, it is.. Barry Marks wrote: > I didn't realize Compuserve had a Thinkpad forum? > Are they still active? > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Loyless > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies > > >At 09:32 PM 3/14/99 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > >> I'll vouch for Bill. I've bought a > couple of things from him, called > >>about at least one thing that I had a concern > about, always been happy > >with the > >>service. You find out how important that kind > of reliability and service is > >>when you have a problem with the purchase--even > if only a perceived problem. > > > >Same here. And Bill was a mainstay on > CompuServe's ThinkPad forum where > >there's very little tolerance for any > shenanigans. > > > >Jane > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve ThinkPad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 23:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18950 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15720; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15615; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15526; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-32.gate.net [207.36.212.32]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA175880; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: <36F08205.736BE9B0@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:33:09 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Data Path Technologies References: <3.0.1.32.19990316210128.00b6cdf0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane.. its Larry Finkelstein.. Jane Loyless wrote: > At 07:29 PM 3/16/99 -0600, Barry Marks wrote: > > >I didn't realize Compuserve had a Thinkpad forum? > >Are they still active? > > > > Yes, but IBM doesn't sponsor it any more. They pulled out to go to their > dreadful web-based forum, and Larry Something (can't remember) picked it up. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 23:40:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18990 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16244; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:37:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16117; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16104; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from netpathway.com (root@pm1wayne1-39.c-gate.net [198.79.69.172]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01063 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:36:46 -0600 Sender: root@bigun.c-gate.net Message-ID: <36F08309.71006569@netpathway.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:37:29 -0600 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this References: <002d01be70e5$908bb810$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After reading about it yesterday, I had to try it out myself. I installed it on my Thinkpad 770ED with 64MB RAM. Took about an hour and a half to install Windows 98 as the guest OS, but it works! A bit slow, but with more RAM and a faster processor it would seem to be very useable. I plan to install it on my dual Celeron 400MHz system with 160MB RAM to see how it performs then. I personally have never witnessed a 'virtual machine' before-it is just unbelievable to see it actually work! Eric Giles Geary wrote: > > It's not entirely off topic. > > There is a note on the VMware site that recommends against running their > software on notebooks. I disregarded this advice, naturally. > > I'm running VMware on my Linux ThinkPad 600, and it works very nicely. I > installed Win98 in a virtual machine with no problems. It's certainly not as > fast as running native, but it's fine for software testing and the like. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 17 23:45:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19022 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17128; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:41:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16799; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16775; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-32.gate.net [207.36.212.32]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA303122; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <36F083E1.4F5AD632@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:41:05 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sven Utcke CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 and new 3.2GB Drive References: <199903172145.WAA01052@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sven.. do nothing, just install the new drive.. do NOT jumper any of the address pins.. easiest way to transfer is the apricorn ez-gig data transfer kit.. you can buy one or some similar type.. i keep one here to rent to drive customers.. Sven Utcke wrote: > Hi, > > I finally bought a bigger drive for my TP701C (from 540 aka 520 aka > 516 --- why do I get three different numbers for one drive, depending > on the software I ask? --- to 3.2GB. Whew!). The new drive is an IBM > DTCA 23240 (3.2 GB) Notebook-disc, 2.5" x 12mm. > > Does anybody know whether this is one of the discs (and my computer > one of the computers) where I have to do that little amputation on the > selector pins (or whatever they are called)? > > Also, does anybody have any idea how to get my Win95 and Linux from > one drive onto the other, especially seeing as I bought the computer > used and didn't actually get the Win95CD? > > I've got a PCMCIA Network-card and access to a LAN (and enough free > disc-space), so that might offer a possibility. I do not think we have > any EIDE desktops, though, it's all SCSI... > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > > Sven > -- > _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung > | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke > | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 > |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. > mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 00:38:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19511 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19628; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:35:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19490; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19476; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (client-118-162.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.162]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA07680; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:34:54 GMT Message-ID: <002b01be7101$0c773ec0$a276c697@thinkpad> From: "Don" To: "Eric Giles" , Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Did you have to reinstall windows or is it possible to link the guest system. I sure would hate to have two windows systems installed. How about the sound and network support for the 770? Any hints? Don -----Original Message----- From: Eric Giles To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this >After reading about it yesterday, I had to try it out myself. I >installed it on my Thinkpad 770ED with 64MB RAM. Took about an hour and >a half to install Windows 98 as the guest OS, but it works! A bit slow, >but with more RAM and a faster processor it would seem to be very >useable. I plan to install it on my dual Celeron 400MHz system with >160MB RAM to see how it performs then. I personally have never witnessed >a 'virtual machine' before-it is just unbelievable to see it actually >work! > >Eric Giles > > Geary wrote: >> >> It's not entirely off topic. >> >> There is a note on the VMware site that recommends against running their >> software on notebooks. I disregarded this advice, naturally. >> >> I'm running VMware on my Linux ThinkPad 600, and it works very nicely. I >> installed Win98 in a virtual machine with no problems. It's certainly not as >> fast as running native, but it's fine for software testing and the like. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 01:30:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19990 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21173; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:27:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21028; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21015; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (port35-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.232]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03790 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:27:36 -0600 Message-ID: <006c01be7108$73da0e60$e88b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:27:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I believe it is required that you install the guest system-from what I have seen linking to an already installed system is not possible. When installing Win98 as the guest system on Linux, the configuration wizard that is run before the install creates a 1GB 'partition' for Windows inside the Linux partition. This is the default size which can be changed at that time or later on. I haven't tried installing any sound or network drivers yet, so I can't comment on that. I am still amazed it works as effortless as it does! Eric Giles >Did you have to reinstall windows or is it possible to link the guest >system. I sure would >hate to have two windows systems installed. > >How about the sound and network support for the 770? Any hints? > >Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 02:08:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20447 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23496; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:04:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23320; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23307; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05071 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:04:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this In-Reply-To: <006c01be7108$73da0e60$e88b89d0@egiles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Eric Giles wrote: > I believe it is required that you install the guest system-from what I have > seen linking to an already installed system is not possible. When installing If you have an IDE drive, you can boot off of it and start up your currently installed Win95/98/NT/DOS system. You have to make sure Linux does not have the WinDOS partitions mounted, and you have to jump through some hoops to get Windows to think you have two sets of hardware (one real, one virtual). But it works. That's what I did on my 560E (though it runs very slow on a P166 :-). The major problem I'm having with this is that certain Windows settings (like display resolution and color depth, mouse, etc.) are shared by both Windows configurations. So I'm not exactly free to tweak it as much as I'd like. OTOH if you're planning on primarily using this and rarely booting Windows, that shouldn't be a problem. Go to their web site -> support -> technical notes, and you'll find step-by-step instructions on how to set this up. You'll need a safe-hda file, which is generated by the make-saferawdisk.pl perl script. The version of fdisk on my system (RH5.1) does not recognize the -u flag, so I had to type in the start/end sectors in my safe-hda file by hand (start fdisk, option u, option p). Also, because my hard drive geometry was mapped by the BIOS, the end of the logical sectors did not line up with the ends of the physical sectors (in english, there was unused disk space between partitions), so I had to manually edit safe-hda to make sure all my end sector numbers were one less than the next begin sector numbers. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 03:08:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20897 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25284; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:04:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25054; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25041; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from seawesta-67.az.com (seawesta-67.az.com [204.201.18.67]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00842 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199903180804.AAA00842@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 00:10:32 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: refurbished TPs and a question List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:37:00 -0500, Charles Clarke wrote: >On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Ron Bena wrote: >> >> I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, >> re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable >> path, and what is not. [snip] >So, there are truly refurb'd TPs out there. Guess you gotta be >careful to make sure you get a genuine one. I will admit I bought my TP off ebay. And I must admit I was very fortunate to get a very well cared for TP 365XD. In retrospect, my next thinkpad probably will not be purchased off the Internet from any ole place. But it has been a god send for my school work. *PLUS* at my internship site, we don't have a dedicated computer for the intern (ME!). But today I managed to wrestle the wiring map away from them to glance at it. I have found there is an unused node (all the way to the patch panel) by my bench and an unused port on hub! So now I can use my TP (via 3com lan+modem card) as my computer for Internet research (driver hunting and such) without having to pester the other techs about needing their machine's Internet access to do my work. Now a question on buying ThinkPads. Does IBM or IBM retailers or just TP resellers in general offer packages such as port replicators/docking stations with the TP ? Or is there a reduced rate when buying those extra options? Or are they all sold piece by piece (this is probably the answer)? Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 08:43:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22931 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11545; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:39:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11380; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11367; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic53.fbtc.net [204.2.11.53]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA04837; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:38:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008e01be7144$183390e0$350b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Chris Schumann" , Subject: Re: (OT) My experience with Datapath Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:34:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: It seems to me that enough of you have had bad experiences with DataPath that some legal entity might take an interest if they knew. Perhaps their state has a consumer fraud department under the state's attorney general like Texas has. Or maybe even the local police. A number of letters >from cheated customers might get someone's attention. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: (OT) My experience with Datapath >I purchased four IBM PS/ValuePoint PC's from Datapath through Onsale. They >listed a specific model number. The model listed has a Pentium Overdrive >socket. > >Of the four computers, none were the model quoted on the auction >description. Two did have the overdrive socket, and they were pretty much >what I expected. > >I sent the other two back (at their expense). One was returned, again with >no Overdrive socket. I called several times, wrote a letter, and called >again. After several weeks, they gave me another RMA and sent two machines >that had the Overdrive socket. The CPU's were of differeing speeds, but >all were at least as fast as the auction description. > >With enough persistence, Datapath (now Intelesale) delivered what they >promised. However, I will not be eager to do more business with them. > >Chris Schumann > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 09:00:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23051 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12562; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:57:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12396; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12383; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic53.fbtc.net [204.2.11.53]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA08890; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:57:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009d01be7146$a983f740$350b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Ron Bena" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Buying Refurbished Computers Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:53:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I purchased both of my Thinkpads as closeout display models. I bought a 365XD for $600 while they were still selling new ones for 4 times that price. It did have a damaged lock on one side that doesn't hold down the screen. I knew that when I bought it. I bought it from Computer City, now CompUsa. I've seen similar offers at CompUsa. I bought my 385ED the same way 2 weeks after I had considered buying a new one for about $2000. I got it for for $800. It was in very nice condition but they had lost the box, battery and manuals. A few minutes after paying for it another clerk came up and asked me if I bought that and when I said I did, he said he'd just found the box. The manager said that was ok. I had already paid for it and a deal was a deal. So I got an especially good deal on that one. They're around in stores where you can see them first if you don't mind waiting till you find the right one. You also have to be a fair to middling negotiator because they're posted prices are higher than this. I think the 365XD closeout sign said $999 and the 385ED said $1299. I made offers, we haggled a bit, and I got my price. Of course I made other offers on other systems before that and didn't get my price. This takes some effort. A side note. Both were sold as-is with no warranty. I was told I had 30 days to change my mind. That was the store's policy back then. But that was it. I called IBM to ask something about the 365, I think about a PCMCIA card, and told them I had bought this without warrantee, and he told me to fax a copy of the sales receipt. I did and it went on IBM's warrantee. He said they do that with everything they sell. But they wouldn't repair the lock because that was noted on the reciept and the price had been adjusted for that. Fair enough. I also called IBM and got the 386ED on warranty. Again they knew just what the circumstances were. Fortunately I never used either warrantee. Neither has ever had a problem. Now I'm getting antsie for a bigger/faster system. I think I might get a new one this time, unless I find that just right deal again. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Ron Bena To: ThinkPad List Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:59 PM Subject: RE: Buying Refurbished Computers >Have been reading with interest the posts re purchasing refurbished >computers (especially TP's), and buyers' experiences. > >The Datapath (now Intelesale) story has a familiar sound. In >Australia where I do business, there have been a number of failed >refurbished computer resellers who provided less than what was >advertised, and little or no recourse for dissatisfied customers. > >The reduced prices were appealing, but not the merchandise when it was >different from what was advertised. The savings turned out too good to >be true. > >It would appear safe to purchase from computer manufacturers who >provided their own warranties for their refurbished equipment? > >I would be interested in other experiences, successful or otherwise, >re purchasing refurbished TP's. In other words, what is a reliable >path, and what is not. > >Many thanks. > >Regards, >Ron Bena >ronbena@usa.net > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 09:11:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23123 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13336; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:08:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13183; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.javanet.com (mail1.javanet.com [205.219.162.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13168; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 701 (bos-us537.javanet.com [209.94.140.244]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA23677 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990318090843.007c5960@mail.javanet.com> X-Sender: druben@mail.javanet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:08:43 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Ruben Subject: 380/390 vs. i-series? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a friend who's interested in buying a thinkpad, but confused by the many models and options. She says the 380/390 and i-series (1411 or 1451) look pretty similar, and can't figure out which to go for. Any thoughts? Are people generally happy with i-series machines? Thanks! --David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 09:43:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23379 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15289; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:39:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15159; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15144; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (pm3wayne1-3.c-gate.net [198.79.69.177]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20606 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:38:24 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01be714c$99be6ec0$1f3dfea9@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:35:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: John- Thanks for clarifying this. Honestly I should have researched their website a bit more before answering that question! Eric Giles >On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Eric Giles wrote: > >> I believe it is required that you install the guest system-from what I have >> seen linking to an already installed system is not possible. When installing > >If you have an IDE drive, you can boot off of it and start up >your currently installed Win95/98/NT/DOS system. You have to >make sure Linux does not have the WinDOS partitions mounted, >and you have to jump through some hoops to get Windows to >think you have two sets of hardware (one real, one virtual). >But it works. That's what I did on my 560E (though it runs >very slow on a P166 :-). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 09:57:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23493 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16293; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15985; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from agaduluexchsrv1.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (tan7.ncr.com [192.127.94.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15963; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4CBF@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> From: "Sekura, Bart" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 380/390 vs. i-series? Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:50:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I have i1720. People say it's essentially the same as 390. Even IBM docs, drivers and tips always refer to 390 and i1720 as if there were the same models. Does anybody know if there are any significant differences? I'm VERY happy with my i1720. There are some new 390s out (see one of theprevious postings to this list). Might be interesting. bart > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ruben [SMTP:druben@javanet.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:09 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 380/390 vs. i-series? > > I have a friend who's interested in buying a thinkpad, but confused by the > many models and options. She says the 380/390 and i-series (1411 or 1451) > look pretty similar, and can't figure out which to go for. Any thoughts? > Are people generally happy with i-series machines? Thanks! > > --David > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 13:46:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26411 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27358; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:39:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26941; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26892; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04291; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:39:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Victor Kress" , "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay HDD adaptor Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:39:26 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01be716e$a6643980$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199903172034.PAA12503@CS.UTK.EDU> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Quick question. Does the UltraSlimBayAdaptor on the TP600 take a > bare drive, or > does it require a caddy? Either way, but the bare drive is a very loose fit. When you pull the drive out with the ThinkPad upside down, the drive will fall out of the adapter and land on the floor. It's worth $20 to get a caddy from Bill Morrow. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 13:52:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26500 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27029; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:37:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26732; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sh1.ro.com (IDENT:3350@sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26698; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01373; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:36:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:36:41 -0600 (EST) From: Jeff Jackowski To: "Stephen A. Carter" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA network card on a ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <8vG82cByz1Ca092yn@hticn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Stephen A. Carter wrote: > I've got a ThinkPad 535E (a Japan-only model something like the 560) > that came with Windows 95. I'd like to install Warp 4 and add a > PCMCIA network card so it can be added to our Warp Server network. > Can anyone recommend an Ethernet network card (not token-ring) that > works well with Warp? It doesn't necessarily have to work well or at > all under Windows. Also, dependability under OS/2 is more important > to me than price. I use IBM's Home & Away adapter on my ThinkPad 765D with OS/2 v4 -- it works well. Its not one of the faster cards (an FTP transfer at 600 to 900KB/s can use all the CPU's time (P166)), but I haven't had any trouble with the ethernet part, short of damaging other ethernet cards (see below). The one thing to be careful about is setting up the ethernet address in that MPTS (?) setup program along with the rest of the card's hardware configuration. If you don't setup the address, you will have to boot with the card inserted or ethernet will be disabled. Other than that problem, removability works just fine. The modem on the card is a little odd, but as long as you use its special serial port driver rather than OS/2's regular one, and send "X3" in the init string so it doesn't check for dial tone, it works fine. I got a few of these cards for $25 each on eBay. They are old, and come with an OS/2 driver from 1992(?) on one of the included disks. If you get one, NEVER change the ThinkPad's IP while the Home & Away adapter is connected to the network -- I've killed other ethernet cards on a LAN this way. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 14:00:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26723 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28006; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:44:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27737; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27702; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05008; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:44:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "John Kim" , Subject: RE: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:44:16 -0800 Message-ID: <005b01be716f$535524b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > The major problem I'm having with this is that certain Windows > settings (like display resolution and color depth, mouse, > etc.) are shared by both Windows configurations. So I'm not > exactly free to tweak it as much as I'd like. OTOH if you're > planning on primarily using this and rarely booting Windows, > that shouldn't be a problem. Did you try setting up two hardware profiles for Windows? That might do the trick. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 15:06:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27833 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02809; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:01:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02462; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02432; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21672 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:00:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18224 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:00:41 GMT Received: by ntmail.doble.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE714F.9238BEA0@ntmail.doble.com>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List'" , "'discussion@possi.org'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'scarter@hticn.com'" Subject: RE: PCMCIA network card on a ThinkPad Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:56:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I needed a card that had the BNC connector (10base2?) so I got a Linksys Combo PCMCIA EthernetCard (Model is EC2T). It uses a dongle off the end but that is not a problem as I also use a PCMCIA SCSI card. Works well under OS/2 and Win95. I tend to buy Linksys cards for my home computers as they provide OS/2 drivers and they seem to install and operate well in OS/2 and Win95. I got a PCI card of their's that I can even run under linux as the NE2k PCI driver supports the PnP chip they use. I am checking out if I can use the EC2T under linux as well (I just put Redhat 5.2 on My TP365ED as a test). 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: scarter@hticn.com [SMTP:scarter@hticn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:59 PM To: IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List; discussion@possi.org; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Stephen A. Carter Subject: PCMCIA network card on a ThinkPad I've got a ThinkPad 535E (a Japan-only model something like the 560) that came with Windows 95. I'd like to install Warp 4 and add a PCMCIA network card so it can be added to our Warp Server network. Can anyone recommend an Ethernet network card (not token-ring) that works well with Warp? It doesn't necessarily have to work well or at all under Windows. Also, dependability under OS/2 is more important to me than price. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 15:09:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27881 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02657; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:58:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02131; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02100; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA04545 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:00:28 -0800 Resent-Message-Id: <199903182000.MAA04545@samsara.csustan.edu> Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:46:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: Steven Filling Resent-To: thinkpads@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:00:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 701C - W95 install List-Unsubscribe: - On 17-Mar-99 Cottrell, Eric extemporized: > It is for times like these that I keep a bootable "recovery" diskette=20 > that has all the drivers > and programs needed for a restore from tape or CD. I have been=20 > through disk crashes, disk > upgrades, etc and having a bootable diskette is handy. Just one problem - with the replacement disk in, it does a memory count, p= ops up a few numbers in the lower right hand, and stalls at 84 [which is not an= y error code that IBM lists]. Won't boot off diskette [and I **know** the bios was set to SMART - I'd just checked it prior to yanking the other driv= e out]. The floppy gets accessed for a second, but then things just stop col= d. =20 This hard disk was working fine in another laptop, so I don't think it's a hardware fault. Is this another of Murphy's finest? Any solution to this?= =20 TIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 17-Mar-99 Time: 19:36:11 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 15:12:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27946 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03612; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03130; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03082; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA08324 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this In-Reply-To: <005b01be716f$535524b0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > The major problem I'm having with this is that certain Windows > > settings (like display resolution and color depth, mouse, > > etc.) are shared by both Windows configurations. So I'm not > > exactly free to tweak it as much as I'd like. OTOH if you're > > planning on primarily using this and rarely booting Windows, > > that shouldn't be a problem. > > Did you try setting up two hardware profiles for Windows? That might do the > trick. Yup. That's what the VMWare site suggests you do. When I changed the "resolution" of the virtual Win95 to 640x480, it also changed the resolution of my real Win95 to 640x480. But I switched the real Win95 back to 800x600, and the virtual Win95 stayed at 640x480, so maybe it was just an initial setup problem. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 17:34:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29985 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12804; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:25:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12443; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from agaduluexchsrv1.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (tan7.ncr.com [192.127.94.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12397; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:23:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4CC6@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> From: "Sekura, Bart" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on i1720 (aka 390) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:23:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hi, For the last couple of weeks I've been hesitating whether to install NT4 on my i1720. I'm currently running Win98 and it's starting to be annoying because of the stability problems. One stupid task wreaks havoc and the system is gone. I'm used to NT at work, so I thought I'd like to have the same environment on my laptop. Now my question is: are there any problems with installing and running NT4 on i1720? I have an IBM document that walks you through all the steps of factoring the drivers diskettes and installing NT, but I just wanted to make sure there are no "hidden features" or things falling apart if you don't do them in the right order or something... any help appreciated, thanks -bart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 17:55:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00368 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14118; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13886; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13868; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA14334; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA11159; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:49:28 -0500 (EST) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: "Sekura, Bart" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on i1720 (aka 390) In-Reply-To: <2172AC8CA86DD111B4FC0000F840E0E6043B4CC6@AGADULUEXCHSRV1.atlantaga.ncr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Sekura, Bart wrote: > Now my question is: are there any problems with installing and running > NT4 on i1720? I have an IBM document that walks you through all the steps of > factoring > the drivers diskettes and installing NT, but I just wanted to make sure > there are no "hidden > features" or things falling apart if you don't do them in the right order or > something... No, installing NT4 on my 390 to dual-boot with Win98 was very easy. The only hard part was getting my Linksys PCMCIA enet card to work correctly. For some reason, various IRQ/IO address combo wouldn't work, even though NT diagnostics show that it's not being used. Compounded with this problem is that when "wrong" IRQ/IO address is chosen, it might kill PCMCIA service entirely, and even warm reboot won't bring it back - only powering off completely and powering on brings it back. Similarly, if I warm-boot from Win98 to WinNT, PCMCIA and audio may or may not work, but cold-boot always work. No such problem from WinNT to Win98. Another annoying thing about NT - no battery icon in system tray, so I don't know what the battery state is. I installed something labeled NANS - apparently power management for NT? But still no battery icon. Be sure to get extra memory - NT takes up 47 Meg with nothing running on my machine. Yong Whang From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 18:38:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00820 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18458; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:29:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17931; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17911; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA19176 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:31:01 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <36F18C4D.236A@kenavo.fi> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:29:17 +0200 From: Dominique Pivard Reply-To: domi2@kenavo.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: installing Warp 3 on 560x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm trying to install Warp 3 Connect on my new 560x. I tried a remote install (over a 3C589 PCMCIA network adapter) and a CDROM install (from a Panasonic SCSI CDROM linked to an Adaptec 1460 SlimSCSI-adapter). Neither succeeded, apparently because PCMCIA support is not installed correctly. Could any OS/2 user with a 560 tell me what device drivers should be loaded in CONFIG.SYS for PCMCIA support (and with what parameters and in what order)? Thanks a lot, Dominique From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 19:33:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01218 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24275; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:27:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23755; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23736; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from clgr000020.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.20]:1383 "EHLO ibm.net") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <534160-12231>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <36F19994.7227D3F8@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:25:56 -0700 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: domi2@kenavo.fi CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: installing Warp 3 on 560x References: <36F18C4D.236A@kenavo.fi> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F3EA1FC973EA4C2CBC262D4C" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F3EA1FC973EA4C2CBC262D4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did this with 755 and 760 before. Sorry but I can't find my boot / install disks. If your problem is that you want to install OS/2 itself, there are solutions. Boot the good old DOS , access the CD-ROM drive, copy the os2image directories to the harddrive, modify the Disk 1 to point the SOURCEPATH to that directory, and you can install now. Once installed, you can install the PCMCIA drivers and examine your config.sys. Eventually you will be able to create a disk with all the necessary files on it. I used later IBM TR 16/4 and I was able to boot from the network, apply CSD from there and create FULL image backup with XCopy /H /O /T /S /E /R /V to the network. Dominique Pivard wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install Warp 3 Connect on my new 560x. I tried a remote > install (over a 3C589 PCMCIA network adapter) and a CDROM install (from > a Panasonic SCSI CDROM linked to an Adaptec 1460 SlimSCSI-adapter). > Neither succeeded, apparently because PCMCIA support is not installed > correctly. > > Could any OS/2 user with a 560 tell me what device drivers should be > loaded in CONFIG.SYS for PCMCIA support (and with what parameters and in > what order)? > > Thanks a lot, > > Dominique -- .................................................................. 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There is mention on Bill's site about a problem with warp on bigger (>4gig) disks, but the links are broken and Bill doesn't know the details. Is this just a problem with big partitions, or do I need to patch to use the disk with Warp? Where can I get the patch? I tried searching the IBM site, but I need more details to do a reasonable job of it. Thanks, ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 23:12:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03201 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14615; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14295; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14274; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-52.gate.net [199.227.20.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA219964; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:47 -0500 Message-ID: <36F1CE24.9A693347@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:10:12 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks CC: Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (OT) My experience with Datapath References: <008e01be7144$183390e0$350b02cc@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A good idea.. i suppose a call to the pleasantville new york police or district attorney are appropriate.. Barry Marks wrote: > It seems to me that enough of you have had bad > experiences with DataPath that some legal entity > might take an interest if they knew. Perhaps > their state has a consumer fraud department under > the state's attorney general like Texas has. Or > maybe even the local police. A number of letters > from cheated customers might get someone's > attention. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:27 AM > Subject: (OT) My experience with Datapath > > >I purchased four IBM PS/ValuePoint PC's from > Datapath through Onsale. They > >listed a specific model number. The model listed > has a Pentium Overdrive > >socket. > > > >Of the four computers, none were the model quoted > on the auction > >description. Two did have the overdrive socket, > and they were pretty much > >what I expected. > > > >I sent the other two back (at their expense). One > was returned, again with > >no Overdrive socket. I called several times, > wrote a letter, and called > >again. After several weeks, they gave me another > RMA and sent two machines > >that had the Overdrive socket. The CPU's were of > differeing speeds, but > >all were at least as fast as the auction > description. > > > >With enough persistence, Datapath (now > Intelesale) delivered what they > >promised. However, I will not be eager to do more > business with them. > > > >Chris Schumann > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 18 23:18:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03264 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15547; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15364; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15343; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-52.gate.net [199.227.20.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA114594; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <36F1CFE0.B51E4456@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:17:36 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Filling CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C - W95 install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven.. details please.. what brand HDD, what shell.. did you address the drive in and way..?? (master, slave, CS ???) Steven Filling wrote: > - > On 17-Mar-99 Cottrell, Eric extemporized: > > It is for times like these that I keep a bootable "recovery" diskette > > that has all the drivers > > and programs needed for a restore from tape or CD. I have been > > through disk crashes, disk > > upgrades, etc and having a bootable diskette is handy. > > Just one problem - with the replacement disk in, it does a memory count, pops > up a few numbers in the lower right hand, and stalls at 84 [which is not any > error code that IBM lists]. Won't boot off diskette [and I **know** the > bios was set to SMART - I'd just checked it prior to yanking the other drive > out]. The floppy gets accessed for a second, but then things just stop cold. > This hard disk was working fine in another laptop, so I don't think it's a > hardware fault. Is this another of Murphy's finest? Any solution to this? > > TIA > S. > ---------------------------------- > Steven Filling > E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu > Date: 17-Mar-99 Time: 19:36:11 > ---------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 00:10:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03744 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21952; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:09:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21729; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21704; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:08:21 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id AAA09686 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:07:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903190507.AAA09686@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:07:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New 6.4GB List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I've got a new 6.4GB HD from Bill Morrow, complete with bracket. And I expect to have the famous Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter shortly. What is the best way to get this new HD up and running in my TP600? I believe that if I just use the recovery CD that came with the unit, I'll end up with a pair of 2GB partitions. Or can I load the files individually? Is there a better way, perhaps mounting the new HD in the Ultraslimbay, moving the files (using a program like Drive Copy), then switching the files? Or do I have this all wrong? And when I first got the TP, I couldn't create a 4GB partition (didn't have Partition Magic). Will I need Partition Magic this time? Thanks for any advice! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 00:27:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03929 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24205; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:25:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23956; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23903; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA05144; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:27:27 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36F1CFE0.B51E4456@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:27:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: 701C - W95 install Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: On 19-Mar-99 Bill Morrow extemporized: > Steven.. > details please.. > what brand HDD, what shell.. Toshiba 1.4 GB, shell [if I understand you right] is a replacement 701C par= t].=20 The really odd part is: I booted with no hard drive and aside from the config error msg, things wor= k okay. I cadged another Toshiba [2.1GB] drive and put it in, and could load= the OSes that were installed on it [NT 4 and RH Linux]. So apparently somethin= g is odd with the original drive - something that only the 701 picks up on. I'v= e got a functional 701, so the mad hurry is off, but I'm still trying to figu= re out what the problem is. TIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 18-Mar-99 Time: 21:24:03 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 00:53:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04154 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27373; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:52:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27214; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ma.ultranet.com (IDENT:root@chenoweth.ultranet.com [205.246.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27193; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from kokopelli.chenoweth.net (kendall@kokopelli.chenoweth.net [10.1.1.2]) by ma.ultranet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04593 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:55:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:55:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kendall Don Chenoweth X-Sender: kendall@kokopelli.chenoweth.net To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: thinkpad 365XD and 64M Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I think I remember reading that someone (or some people) had sucessfully installed a 64M memory expansion to the Thinkpad 365XD, even though IBM officially only supports the 32M. If whomever has successfully accomplished would please tell me the part number required, I would be very appreciative. I'm very happy with my Thinkpad 365XD running linux and am very interested in a memory upgrade if possible. -Kendall kendall@.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 3 Village Rock Lane, Apt #5, Natick MA 01760, (508) 651-1782 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 01:39:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04447 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03224; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:38:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03106; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from uldns2.unil.ch (uldns2.unil.ch [130.223.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03092; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from remote-acc-14.unil.ch ([130.223.37.14] helo=ibcm.unil.ch) by uldns2.unil.ch with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10NsvY-0005Oa-00; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: <36F1F1AC.398A8DC2@ibcm.unil.ch> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:41:48 +0100 From: Etienne Pralong Organization: IBCM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mic problem with a TP600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I am using a TP600 and have not been able to use an external microphone with it. Internal mic is OK that said. I tried in various OS from NT 4 SP4, Win98 and Win95. Any help ? Thanks Etienne Pralong epralong@ibcm.unil.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 02:02:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04734 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04137; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:01:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04027; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04012; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.216.179]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990319070109.ZWY21469@oemcomputer>; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: <36F1F630.7DBF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:01:04 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Etienne Pralong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 References: <36F1F1AC.398A8DC2@ibcm.unil.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > I am using a TP600 and have not been able to use an external microphone > with it. Internal mic is OK that said. I tried in various OS from NT 4 > SP4, Win98 and Win95. Any help ? > > You need a battery bias box or the ThinkPad Adapter Converter to supply bias voltage to your mike. If you cannot obtain--Get a good Dynamic or condenser mike. Check the mike out at the store with your 600 before you pay for it. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 02:15:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04829 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04959; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:15:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04829; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04811; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id XAA22696 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:14:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990318231211.00ba77b0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:14:49 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 In-Reply-To: <36F1F1AC.398A8DC2@ibcm.unil.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:41 PM 3/18/99 , Etienne Pralong wrote: >Hello, > >I am using a TP600 and have not been able to use an external microphone >with it. Internal mic is OK that said. I tried in various OS from NT 4 >SP4, Win98 and Win95. Any help ? The solution I found for my TP 380Z came from another reader of this group. Here it is for your information: >Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:04:07 -0500 >From: Birger Petterson >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: [TP 380Z] Problem with audio mic jack? References: <4.1.19981107201749.00b2a100@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: fadd3aab67446b25c966febc56c2269f > >David Goldman wrote: >> >> I've got a brand new ThinkPad 380Z (PII-300, 96MB) that I've had for- >> If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), > >You need ThinkPad Adapter Converter or Bias Battery Box. > >Go to www.speechcontrol.com to see photos and read article on mikes. > >Nothing wrong with your ThinkPad. > >Birger -- /=================================================================\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 05:02:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA05664 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18134; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:01:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17891; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17852; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA19504; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:08:03 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29893; Fri, 19 Mar 99 09:54:08 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 9:59:49 +0000 To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Motherboard memory problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I didn't receive a response to my first question so I'm rephrasing it=2E=20= I have a 755C with dodgy memory on the motherboard (it is clean up to=20= 3=2E7MB)=2E THerefore even with 16MB SO DIMM inxtalled it will only have=20= 3=2E7MB usable=2E However I've heard that if you install 32MB SO DIMM it=20= maps out the 4MB motherboard memory=2E Will this get round the dodgy=20= memory problem do you think? Anyone in the UK with a spare 16MB SO DIMM they can lend me to test=20= this please get in touch=2E - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 06:23:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA06107 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05694; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:21:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05340; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05287; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18DF@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Critical Technology Memory Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:26:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 09:51:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07896 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18301; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18096; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18059; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp44.epix.net [199.224.125.44]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.0/1998093001/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id JAA13060 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903191449.JAA13060@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: jt@epix.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:35 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199903190150.UAA02600@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Big Warped Disk X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: In <199903190150.UAA02600@CS.UTK.EDU>, on 03/18/99 at 05:50 PM, "Victor Kress" typed: >Is this just a >problem with big partitions, or do I need to patch to use the disk with >Warp? Where can I get the patch? I tried searching the IBM site, but I >need more details to do a reasonable job of it. Yes, you need the patch - IDEDASD even if the partitions are small. I don't remember the URL, but will email it directly to you. There've been some reports on the os2 lists that after you update copies of your install disks, it fails to get into the install; some have been able to get past that point by restoring the original OS2DASD.DMD file (backing out the IDEDASD replacement for just that file). -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- ... Perhaps you should flee in terror. Yes, I think that would be best. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 11:05:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08884 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26338; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:03:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25979; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25950; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic38.fbtc.net [204.2.11.38]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA15486; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:02:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00b901be7221$5e3a0320$260b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Zilim" , "Harry Teszler" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:58:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I always get 50666 from my USR sportster. Because of the things being said about the Winmodem on this list, I looked hard for an x-jack modem that wasn't a Winmodem. I finally found a regular Megahertz V90 x-jack modem at Office Depot. It was $200, about $60 more than the best price I found on the Winmodem. But I bought it and, on the same line that I use the Sportster on, I got 49xxx. I don't remember the exact number but it was close to 50k. The one I got didn't say Winmodem anywhere on the box. However, it's still called that in the online documentation. I've used it quite a bit more than I really have to, just to make sure during the 14 day return period that it's really ok. That's past now and I'm very happy with it. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Zilim To: Harry Teszler Cc: Thinkpad List Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 1:45 PM Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade >Harry, > >Has your ISP upgraded to V.90 yet? If not, then you usually get >connected at V.34 - 33600bps. This usually happens to V.90 modem. I've >upgraded to the latest V.90 driver for my TP770ED >from IBM and still no >change. The highest I get is still at 40000bps (my ISP is V.90 >compliant). My external USRobotics Sportster 56K V.90 gets connected at >50666bps. Sigh! > >Regards, > >Peter > >Harry Teszler wrote: > >> Hello again. >> >> Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? >> >> I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. >> >> Any comments ? >> >> Thanks and regards from Uruguay. >> >> ************************************************** *************** >> Harry Teszler >> >> hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 >> harryt@redfacil.com.uy >> >> Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 >> +598 2 2003996 >> >> Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. >> ************************************************** *************** > >-- >Peter > > ------------------------------------------------ ---------- >"I'm living on a one-way, dead-end street." -- s.w. > ------------------------------------------------ ---------- > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 11:10:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08977 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27223; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:09:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27086; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27042; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic38.fbtc.net [204.2.11.38]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA17880; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:09:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ce01be7222$45c140a0$260b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Don" , "Harry Teszler" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:05:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id LAA27223 The measure of a modem, in my opionion, is how well it handles mediocre lines. They'll all give high speed on clean lines. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Don To: Harry Teszler ; Thinkpad List Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 3:46 PM Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade I don't think it is necessarily a crappy modem. It could be a compatability issue with the provider or line noise. At home I get 26400 on one line and 41000 on the other. At the office I steadily get a connection of 51300. Apparently, you really need clear lines something I would hope they would account for in the code. Don Well IBM should be ashamed of selling an expensive machine with such a modem. But I still do not understand why is it so difficult to correct that. ************************************************** *************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ************************************************** *************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 17:53 > To: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: > >Hello again. > > > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > >Any comments ? > > > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, > XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into > the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be > ashamed. :) > > > ------------------------------------------------ - > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------ - > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > ------------------------------------------------ -- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 11:12:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09024 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27763; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27540; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27476; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18E1@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: bbender@csi.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: My apologies for re-opening a dead thread but I was wondering if you include NT4.0 in your "Window variants" that load from the top. I ask this since NT is suppose to be much different than 3.1/95/98. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Bender [SMTP:bbender@csi.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 7:17 AM > To: 'Thinkpads' > Subject: RE: Cached vs non-cached RAM, some results > > I'm not sure about Linux, but I know Windows variants load from the top > down > in RAM, so even if it were still cacheing the first 64 (I was under the > impression that this is how the TX chipset works), your OS is living in > uncached RAM, so performance would hurt across the entire range... But I > agree, for most "work", it's still a net gain to load up on RAM. > > ============================================= > - Brian Bender > Thinkpad 600, 300MHZ, 128MB RAM, 5GB HDD > Former owner of: 770 (200MHZ), 560 (120MHZ), 755CSE (DX4/100) > Currently running WinNT 4.0 SP4 and playing with Linux afterhours... > > > On Friday, March 12, 1999 1:10 PM, Hon Yau wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I installed the extra RAM into my 760ED and think I can make some > > preliminary remarks on the effect of taking the machine past > > the cacheable > > limit. > > > > First of all, I think I can confirm Vince@MCESTATE's > > assertion that *none* > > of the RAM is now L2-cached. I wrote a small test program > > which accesses > > an array which should live entirely inside cache and have the > > figures on > > Linux (100 to 99% CPU usage): > > > > Array size (floats) 48Meg 80Meg > > 1024 0.7(1) secs 0.7(1) secs > > 24*1024 17.9 secs 18.9 secs > > 48*1024 37.7 secs 39.1 secs > > 60*1024 49.5 secs 54.4 secs > > > > What seems to be happening is that for small problem sizes, > > the array fits > > into the L1-cache on the processor and the L2-issue does not appear. > > However, for larger problem sizes which should fit inside the > > L2 cache, > > one is about 10% slower. > > > > Roughly the same 10% slowdown has been observed by timing some Java > > compilations. > > > > BUT, as mentioned by Alexander Wagner, I really do think the > > increased RAM > > has been worthwhile for what I do. In Linux I write & > > compile code, or > > write & compile LaTeX repeatedly; so appreciate having these > > executables > > cached in RAM instead of being fetched from disk. This is > > particularly > > noticeable when on batteries and the smaller amount of disk > > activity is > > more appreciated. With NT, the same 10% slowdown compiling > > Java codes is > > also noticed. It is also *much* more usable as an OS with > > the extra RAM: > > I never really appreciated how much of a memory hog NT was! > > > > So, my conclusions is that in the very worst scenarios, I'll > > lose 10% of > > performance. But for the vast majority of my work, both Linux and NT > > applications subjectively run faster. > > > > Thanks again for everyone's advise on this issue. > > > > Cheers, > > -Hon. > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 13:23:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10475 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15686; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:21:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15254; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15196; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02881; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:21:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: New 6.4GB Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:21:24 -0800 Message-ID: <008f01be7235$4bf54170$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199903190507.AAA09686@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > I've got a new 6.4GB HD from Bill Morrow, complete with bracket. > And I expect to have the famous Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter > shortly. > > What is the best way to get this new HD up and running in my TP600? > I believe that if I just use the recovery CD that came with the > unit, I'll end up with a pair of 2GB partitions. Or can I load the > files individually? > > Is there a better way, perhaps mounting the new HD in the > Ultraslimbay, moving the files (using a program like Drive Copy), > then switching the files? If you plan to use the 6.4 as your main drive, replacing your old drive, this is the best approach. Just install both drives and use Drive Copy or Drive Image to copy everything. It can resize partitions for you while it copies, so you can set up the new drive any way you like. After you're done copying, just put the new drive in the main bay and boot 'er up. > Or do I have this all wrong? And when I first got the TP, I > couldn't create a 4GB partition (didn't have Partition Magic). > Will I need Partition Magic this time? No, you don't need Partition Magic for this, just unpartitioned free space at the new drive. As you probably know, you can buy Drive Copy or Drive Image online from www.powerquest.com. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 13:26:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10531 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16292; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:25:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16077; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16048; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03403; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:24:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Yong Whang" , "Sekura, Bart" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on i1720 (aka 390) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <009001be7235$c3dd3580$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Another annoying thing about NT - no battery icon in system tray, > so I don't know what the battery state is. I installed something > labeled NANS - apparently power management for NT? But still > no battery icon. Doesn't IBM have a Fuel program for the 390? Did you install the ThinkPad Utilities? That should install Fuel for you, giving you an unartistic but functional battery icon in the tray. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 13:46:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10729 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18035; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17783; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17768; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-197.usc.edu [128.125.223.197]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA08848; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990318230937.00b0ab50@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990318230937.00b0ab50@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:11:15 -0800 To: Birger Petterson , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 In-Reply-To: <36F1F630.7DBF@worldnet.att.net> References: <36F1F1AC.398A8DC2@ibcm.unil.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:01 AM 3/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >You need a battery bias box or the ThinkPad Adapter Converter to supply >bias voltage to your mike. >If you cannot obtain--Get a good Dynamic or condenser mike. >Check the mike out at the store with your 600 before you pay for it. Why the hell is it that the TP's are so *weird* in this way? Why is it that a standard microphone will work in just about any other MIC jack in the world, either on laptops or desktops, but not on a ThinkPad? What the hell are the design engineers at IBM *thinking*? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 13:46:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10730 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18033; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17823; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17759; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-197.usc.edu [128.125.223.197]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA08801; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990318222923.00aeea80@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990318222923.00aeea80@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:31:37 -0800 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903190507.AAA09686@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:07 AM 3/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >I've got a new 6.4GB HD from Bill Morrow, complete with bracket. >And I expect to have the famous Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter >shortly. > >What is the best way to get this new HD up and running in my TP600? > I believe that if I just use the recovery CD that came with the >unit, I'll end up with a pair of 2GB partitions. Or can I load the >files individually? > >Is there a better way, perhaps mounting the new HD in the >Ultraslimbay, moving the files (using a program like Drive Copy), >then switching the files? You've got to be nuts to do it any other way. Drive Copy or Partition Magic (using the "copy partition" feature) are the way to go, and since you'll be putting this in a bay adapter, then its quite feasible since you can have both drives on-line at the same time. I wouldn't consider it any other way! >Or do I have this all wrong? And when I first got the TP, I >couldn't create a 4GB partition (didn't have Partition Magic). >Will I need Partition Magic this time? Personally, I think its worth its weight in gold and don't know how I would survive without it. Its one of those utilities that you rarely ever use, but when you need it, you NEED it. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 14:01:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10975 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19422; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:00:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19307; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19286; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:04:57 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18E4@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: rwhittle@usa.net, BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mic problem with a TP600 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:11 AM > To: Birger Petterson; TP List > Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 > > At 02:01 AM 3/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > >You need a battery bias box or the ThinkPad Adapter Converter to supply > >bias voltage to your mike. > >If you cannot obtain--Get a good Dynamic or condenser mike. > >Check the mike out at the store with your 600 before you pay for it. > > Why the hell is it that the TP's are so *weird* in this way? Why is > it > that a standard microphone will work in just about any other MIC jack in > the world, either on laptops or desktops, but not on a ThinkPad? > > What the hell are the design engineers at IBM *thinking*? [Huber, Robert] I make no pretense that I have any substantive knowledge on the hardware at issue but I do have a few suggestions: 1) From an performance stand point it gives the best results. 2) They have a tendency to over-engineer. 3) Your basic premise is incorrect. > - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 15:44:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12753 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24497; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:43:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24307; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24294; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.249.69]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990319204242.HOYA25110@oemcomputer>; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <36F2B6BE.704E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:42:38 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 References: <36F1F1AC.398A8DC2@ibcm.unil.ch> <4.1.19990318230937.00b0ab50@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle wrote: > > At 02:01 AM 3/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > >You need a battery bias box or the ThinkPad Adapter Converter to supply > >bias voltage to your mike. > >If you cannot obtain--Get a good Dynamic or condenser mike. > >Check the mike out at the store with your 600 before you pay for it. > > Why the hell is it that the TP's are so *weird* in this way? Why is it > that a standard microphone will work in just about any other MIC jack in > the world, ThinkPad mic jack is also for stereo input. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 17:51:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14351 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00407; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:48:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00158; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00140; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (client-118-170.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.170]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA46762; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:48:34 GMT Message-ID: <000001be725a$9ea83740$aa76c697@thinkpad> From: "Don" To: "Eric Giles" , Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:48:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I managed to get VMware to see my existing Win98 partition. The boot was extremely slow and even with the VMware SVGA drivers the improvement is minimal. Has anyone been able to setup network support on the guest system? How about the ACP modem or sound??? Don -----Original Message----- From: Eric Giles To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this >John- > >Thanks for clarifying this. Honestly I should have researched their website >a bit more before answering that question! > >Eric Giles > > > > >>On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Eric Giles wrote: >> >>> I believe it is required that you install the guest system-from what I >have >>> seen linking to an already installed system is not possible. When >installing >> >>If you have an IDE drive, you can boot off of it and start up >>your currently installed Win95/98/NT/DOS system. You have to >>make sure Linux does not have the WinDOS partitions mounted, >>and you have to jump through some hoops to get Windows to >>think you have two sets of hardware (one real, one virtual). >>But it works. That's what I did on my 560E (though it runs >>very slow on a P166 :-). > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 18:04:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14612 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01326; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:03:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01161; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01147; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (client-118-170.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.170]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16800; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <001d01be725c$a4a3aba0$aa76c697@thinkpad> From: "Don" To: "Barry Marks" , "Harry Teszler" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:02:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id SAA01326 I agree in part... First I just wanted to point out that the ACP modem CA= N do over 50K *IF the lines are clear. Secondly, I don't generally find any noticeable improvement on ANY modems whether the connect speed is between 36 and 50K. Most of the time the transfer speed on downloads i= s between 4-5 k regardless. Now at the office when I connect using the NIC, now that is speed. (Downloaded Linux in one hour) { I read somewhere that the ACP modem is NOT mwave. Maybe someone can 'enlighten me on what it really is? } Don The measure of a modem, in my opionion, is how well it handles mediocre lines. They'll all give high speed on clean lines. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Don To: Harry Teszler ; Thinkpad List Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 3:46 PM Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade I don't think it is necessarily a crappy modem. It could be a compatability issue with the provider or line noise. At home I get 26400 on one line and 41000 on the other. At the office I steadily get a connection of 51300. Apparently, you really need clear lines something I would hope they would account for in the code. Don Well IBM should be ashamed of selling an expensive machine with such a modem. But I still do not understand why is it so difficult to correct that. ************************************************** *************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ************************************************** *************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: mi=E9rcoles 17 de marzo de 1999 17:53 > To: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: New 770 ED V90 modem driver V1.5 upgrade > > > At 04:00 PM 3/17/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: > >Hello again. > > > >Did anybody try the new V1.5 V90 driver that came out last week ? > > > >I did and still can not connect higher than 33600. > > > >Any comments ? > > > >Thanks and regards from Uruguay. > > Same here. Connects are crappy as ever. My USR 56k XJ5560, > XJ1560, and Sportster 56k all kick the Mwave 56k modem into > the ground in terms of connects. IBM should really be > ashamed. :) > > > ------------------------------------------------ - > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =3D-=3D Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------ - > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > ------------------------------------------------ -- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 19 18:39:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14949 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02608; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:38:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02488; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02475; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903192338.SAA02475@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 18 Mar 1989 16:36:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "jt@epix.net" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:38:40 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Big Warped Disk List-Unsubscribe: Thanks much! Armed with this info, I tracked down the IBM site. It turns out that fixpack 6 (warp 3 fp35) gets you up to 8.4 gigs, and fixpack 10 (warp3 fp40) extends support above 8gb. On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:35 -0500, Julian Thomas wrote: >In <199903190150.UAA02600@CS.UTK.EDU>, on 03/18/99 > >Yes, you need the patch - IDEDASD even if the partitions are small. I >don't remember the URL, but will email it directly to you. > >There've been some reports on the os2 lists that after you update copies >of your install disks, it fails to get into the install; some have been >able to get past that point by restoring the original OS2DASD.DMD file >(backing out the IDEDASD replacement for just that file). > >-- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > -- -- > ... Perhaps you should flee in terror. Yes, I think that would be best. > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 12:16:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22968 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09859; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09551; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09538; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA12985; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:32 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA23732; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: Michael Geary cc: "Sekura, Bart" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: NT on i1720 (aka 390) In-Reply-To: <009001be7235$c3dd3580$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > Another annoying thing about NT - no battery icon in system tray, > > so I don't know what the battery state is. I installed something > > labeled NANS - apparently power management for NT? But still > > no battery icon. > > Doesn't IBM have a Fuel program for the 390? Did you install the ThinkPad > Utilities? That should install Fuel for you, giving you an unartistic but > functional battery icon in the tray. There is no "Utility Features" disk for NT. Does this mean I can install Windows 95/98 disk instead? I did install APM for NT disk. Yong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 13:29:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23514 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11987; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:28:53 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11829; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id NAA13561 for dist-thinkpad; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cesare.sugarloaf.net (cesare.sugarloaf.net [204.144.179.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12979; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from urho ([204.144.179.9]) by cesare.sugarloaf.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41095U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA333 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:43:10 -0700 From: "Bill Clark" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770+DEVA video capture Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings! >From a prospective 770z purchaser: Would some kind person please clarify what sort of capture function is provided by the DVD and Enhanced Video Adapter (option)? What capture resolution? How deep a 'palette'? What direct video-to-display window sizes are possible at a given capture resolution? Are any fancy realtime flows possible? Eg: video-in --> encode --> harddisk --> decode --> display? Is hardware decoding possible with: harddisk --> decode --> display? Many thanks Bill Clark mailto://wclark@sugarloaf.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 14:03:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23737 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13363; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:02:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13202; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13187; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from paddy (mg136-139.ricochet.net [204.179.136.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02616; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:02:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Don" , "Eric Giles" , Subject: RE: Off topic, but you Linux users have to see this Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:02:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be7304$294258f0$0401a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001be725a$9ea83740$aa76c697@thinkpad> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > I managed to get VMware to see my existing Win98 partition. > The boot was extremely slow and even with the VMware SVGA drivers > the improvement is minimal. > Has anyone been able to setup network support on the guest > system? How about > the > ACP modem or sound??? I installed a fresh Win98 into a VMware virtual machine, and it detected the virtual network card and installed networking automatically. It was quite impressive to see both the Linux host and the Win98 guest show up on the network. Have you tried running "Add New Hardware" to either detect the virtual network card or add it manually? There's a note in their instructions about that. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 14:05:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23756 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13713; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:04:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13533; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13502; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.126.147.21] (helo=du-002-0021.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10OR33-0004Xe-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:04:41 +0000 From: 100550.3170@compuserve.com (Passion) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Will this fit my 755CX? Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:02:01 GMT Organization: hieroglyph Reply-To: 100550.3170@compuserve.com Message-ID: <36f7a42d.746591@mail.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: 2.5" HDD=20 Model: IBM DPRA-21215 Capacity: 1.215GB Thickness: 16mm Will it fit in my Tpad 755CX anyone?? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 20:06:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27061 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22600; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:01:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22308; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22285; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oMVJa04994 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:57:32 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <18e5f388.36f443fc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:57:32 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 701 freezes on battery power Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: I picked up a TP701 as is, without HD, batts, or any accessories. I have now collected all the parts needed, including the 32 meg RAM. I have flashed the bios to current, and downloaded and installed all the updates for Win95. Here's the problem: it only works on AC power. The battery takes a charge, and shows 2 hours remaining, but when AC is removed, the machine invariably locks up in 10 to 20 seconds, and stays that way. If I restore AC, it will start responding again after 4 or 5 minutes. It is absolutely consistent in this behavior. I have tried different batteries, different hard drives, and even different AC adaptors. Does anyone have a clue ? It does this in Win95 or DOS.....The sound has never worked either.....Thanks for any ideas....DP From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 20:23:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27173 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23312; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:21:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23143; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23130; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oUWRa00460 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:18:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <71e8cd57.36f448d6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:18:14 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FS: Thinkpad batteries & multi-port Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: I have one new & one used TP battery for a 365? They are NiMH 10.8V, 2.9ah FRU 44G3811. The contacts are at the back & the external panel is at the front. Also two multi-ports: FRU 53G9710. I think these may be for the same machine (365) but am unsure. Does anyone know these part numbers? Also, for a TP701, one multi-port, and several Nicad batteries. I will check the 701 batteries for condition on my 701. Offers? ....DP From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 20:49:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27416 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24037; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:48:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23873; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23860; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:23 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id UAA25406 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903210146.UAA25406@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:46:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: New 6.4GB List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:21:24 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: >If you plan to use the 6.4 as your main drive, replacing your old drive, >this is the best approach. Just install both drives and use Drive Copy or >Drive Image to copy everything. It can resize partitions for you while it >copies, so you can set up the new drive any way you like. > >After you're done copying, just put the new drive in the main bay and boot >'er up. Thanks, that's my plan. Then put the current 4GB drive into the adapter. >As you probably know, you can buy Drive Copy or Drive Image online from >www.powerquest.com. Thanks for the tip. I'll check that out. Any reason to go with Drive Image over Drive Copy? And does the fact that I've currently got 2+2 on the 4GB, but want to have one big 6.4 partition make a difference? Thanks again! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 21:08:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27557 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24642; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:06:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24488; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24475; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:06:20 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA27341 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:05:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CD-R/RW List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I've been looking at CD-R and CD-RW units and have a couple of questions. First, are there any brands that won't like my TP600? Secondly, CD-RW struck me as unnecessary and of limited utility, in the sense that 650MB is smaller than either Jaz drive and smaller than the hopefully-coming Orb drive, with media 6-7x that of CD-R. I don't expect to use CD-RW. Any comments on the long-term viability of 650MB CD-RW? Has anyone found they used the CD-RW when they didn't expect to? If so, what for? Although the manufacturer sites list a lot of CD-R drives, the couple of stores I was in only had CD-RW. Even some ads only showed about a C$70 difference between CD-R and CD-RW. I wonder if I should just go for the latter, or does it add weight to the unit? I want external, of course. What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to be significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. Is there anything else to choose between these things? My primary needs are: 1. Make CD-Rs as long-term archive units. 2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each month, right? Is this is a universal capability? 3. Convert my music CDs to mp3s, then pack a whole bunch (e.g. 10) onto one CD-R. 4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. On a related note, can I get music _in_ to my TP600 through the microphone port from my bookshelf stereo? That would be much more convenient than using the desktop machine which is elsewhere. As you can see, nothing that screams out for CD-RW, especially not at 6-7x the price of CD-R media. Thanks for any and all advice! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 21:16:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27619 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25137; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24964; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24951; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09562; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: <027701be7340$91580ac0$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: CDRW makes more sense than a Jaz since the blank discs now cost between $3 - $4 each. How much does a blank Jaz cost? Also, most newer CD-ROM drives can read CDRW while you need a Jaz drive to read one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Webber To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 21:05 Subject: CD-R/RW > Hello! > > I've been looking at CD-R and CD-RW units and have a couple of > questions. First, are there any brands that won't like my TP600? > > Secondly, CD-RW struck me as unnecessary and of limited utility, in > the sense that 650MB is smaller than either Jaz drive and smaller > than the hopefully-coming Orb drive, with media 6-7x that of CD-R. > I don't expect to use CD-RW. Any comments on the long-term > viability of 650MB CD-RW? Has anyone found they used the CD-RW > when they didn't expect to? If so, what for? > > Although the manufacturer sites list a lot of CD-R drives, the > couple of stores I was in only had CD-RW. Even some ads only > showed about a C$70 difference between CD-R and CD-RW. I wonder if > I should just go for the latter, or does it add weight to the unit? > I want external, of course. > > What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to > be significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? > Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. > > Is there anything else to choose between these things? My primary > needs are: > 1. Make CD-Rs as long-term archive units. > 2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I > think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each > month, right? Is this is a universal capability? > 3. Convert my music CDs to mp3s, then pack a whole bunch (e.g. 10) > onto one CD-R. > 4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this > requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. > On a related note, can I get music _in_ to my TP600 through the > microphone port from my bookshelf stereo? That would be much more > convenient than using the desktop machine which is elsewhere. > > As you can see, nothing that screams out for CD-RW, especially not > at 6-7x the price of CD-R media. > > Thanks for any and all advice! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 21:36:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27851 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25789; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:34:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25615; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25602; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:33:57 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA01176 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:33:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903210233.VAA01176@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:32:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-R/RW List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:36 -0500, Robert Briganti wrote: >CDRW makes more sense than a Jaz since the blank discs now cost between $3 - >$4 each. How much does a blank Jaz cost? Also, most newer CD-ROM drives >can read CDRW while you need a Jaz drive to read one. Good point about the CD-ROM drives, although if I'm giving the disk to someone without CD-RW, I'd want to give them a CD-R, wouldn't I? (Not trying to be smart, I'm still coming to terms with the technology). I don't think CD-RW media is that cheap. Looking around on Friday, I found CD-R to be C$2.50-$3 (qty 1) and CD-RW was C$60/3. The latter was in Staples, which isn't the cheapest place around, but that's still C$20 or U$13 each for CD-RW media. Jaz media is wickedly expensive (I don't know, C$150/U$100?). But then it's 3x the size and presumably one would hang onto them at all costs! I appreciate your comments. I'm glad I didn't invest in SparQ or SyJet, and am looking forward to Castlewood's 2GB Orb. But 100MB Zips just aren't going to do it! This will never end! :( andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 22:03:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28067 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26662; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:01:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26315; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26302; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.67]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321030049.DWCF15434@770>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:00:49 +0000 Message-ID: <36F4608D.6559@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210233.VAA01176@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each CD-R are around $1.20 Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:36 -0500, Robert Briganti wrote: > > >CDRW makes more sense than a Jaz since the blank discs now cost between $3 - > >$4 each. How much does a blank Jaz cost? Also, most newer CD-ROM drives > >can read CDRW while you need a Jaz drive to read one. > > Good point about the CD-ROM drives, although if I'm giving the disk > to someone without CD-RW, I'd want to give them a CD-R, wouldn't I? > (Not trying to be smart, I'm still coming to terms with the > technology). > > I don't think CD-RW media is that cheap. Looking around on Friday, > I found CD-R to be C$2.50-$3 (qty 1) and CD-RW was C$60/3. The > latter was in Staples, which isn't the cheapest place around, but > that's still C$20 or U$13 each for CD-RW media. Jaz media is > wickedly expensive (I don't know, C$150/U$100?). But then it's 3x > the size and presumably one would hang onto them at all costs! > > I appreciate your comments. I'm glad I didn't invest in SparQ or > SyJet, and am looking forward to Castlewood's 2GB Orb. But 100MB > Zips just aren't going to do it! > > This will never end! :( > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 22:04:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28075 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26807; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:02:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26450; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26436; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.67]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321030144.DWIQ15434@770>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:01:44 +0000 Message-ID: <36F460C7.B20@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210233.VAA01176@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: And forget parallel port. Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of coasters with a parallel port device. Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:36 -0500, Robert Briganti wrote: > > >CDRW makes more sense than a Jaz since the blank discs now cost between $3 - > >$4 each. How much does a blank Jaz cost? Also, most newer CD-ROM drives > >can read CDRW while you need a Jaz drive to read one. > > Good point about the CD-ROM drives, although if I'm giving the disk > to someone without CD-RW, I'd want to give them a CD-R, wouldn't I? > (Not trying to be smart, I'm still coming to terms with the > technology). > > I don't think CD-RW media is that cheap. Looking around on Friday, > I found CD-R to be C$2.50-$3 (qty 1) and CD-RW was C$60/3. The > latter was in Staples, which isn't the cheapest place around, but > that's still C$20 or U$13 each for CD-RW media. Jaz media is > wickedly expensive (I don't know, C$150/U$100?). But then it's 3x > the size and presumably one would hang onto them at all costs! > > I appreciate your comments. I'm glad I didn't invest in SparQ or > SyJet, and am looking forward to Castlewood's 2GB Orb. But 100MB > Zips just aren't going to do it! > > This will never end! :( > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 22:20:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28230 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27617; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:18:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27432; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27419; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:18:05 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id WAA05838 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:16:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-R/RW List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each >CD-R are around $1.20 Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. C$20.00 is still a significant difference! On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >And forget parallel port. >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of >coasters with a parallel port device. At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R write. I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable results it's pretty self-defeating. Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 22:49:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA28498 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28546; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:48:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28359; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28345; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.218.26]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321034725.EHJQ15434@oemcomputer>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:47:25 +0000 Message-ID: <36F46BAC.73F7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:46:52 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber wrote: > > Hello! > > I've been looking at CD-R and CD-RW units and have a couple of > questions. First, are there any brands that won't like my TP600? I have used in the Backpack parallel port CD-R-RW the past two weeks on my 770 ThinkPad. Works great. Got mine from PC Connection. Birger. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:11:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28731 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29143; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28993; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28980; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-38.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA65264; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:50 -0500 Message-ID: <36F470EA.D35E1EEA@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:14 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Re: Motherboard memory problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Adam.. highly unlikely.. add 32meg to any 754 with 4meg on the system board and you'll get 36megs.. Adam Quantrill wrote: > I didn't receive a response to my first question so I'm rephrasing it. I have a 755C with dodgy memory on the motherboard (it is clean up to 3.7MB). THerefore even with 16MB SO DIMM inxtalled it will only have 3.7MB usable. However I've heard that if you install 32MB SO DIMM it maps out the 4MB motherboard memory. Will this get round the dodgy memory problem do you think? > > Anyone in the UK with a spare 16MB SO DIMM they can lend me to test this please get in touch. > > - Adam > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:23:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28837 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29667; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:21:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29506; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29493; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from vinnie_us (slip129-37-90-22.md.us.ibm.net [129.37.90.22]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA66890 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:21:27 GMT Message-ID: <004801be7352$2437ecf0$165a2581@vinnie_us> From: "Gregory Harris" To: Subject: 770X & DVD Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:20:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BE7328.39B79050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BE7328.39B79050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have just received my refurbished 770X. All the previous comments I = have seen with respect to this machines' performance were extremely = positive. However, trying to copy from DVD (CD media) to the internal 8.1 Gig = seems to be taking forever. My desktop is also a PII-300/128 but with = 24*CD rather than DVD. Attempting the same copy on the desktop = indicates a time of about 12 minutes. On the 770, the time indicated is = 61 minutes! Any ideas? This machine was shipped with a DVD drive and listed as running Win98. = However on initial boot it began installing NT4! I used one of my = existing NT4 license keys (one of which is now no longer used) to = complete the install. No NT license key was included, however the media = for Win98 + license was included in the package. The machine passes all BIOS diagnostics ok. Thanks for any help, Greg Harris ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BE7328.39B79050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I have just received my refurbished 770X.  All = the=20 previous comments I have seen with respect to this machines' performance = were=20 extremely positive.
 
However,  trying to copy from DVD (CD media) to = the=20 internal 8.1 Gig seems to be taking forever.  My desktop is also a=20 PII-300/128 but with 24*CD rather than DVD.  Attempting the same = copy on=20 the desktop indicates a time of about 12 minutes.  On the 770, the = time=20 indicated is 61 minutes!  Any ideas?
 
This machine was shipped with a DVD drive and listed = as=20 running Win98.  However on initial boot it began installing = NT4!  I=20 used one of my existing NT4 license keys (one of which is now no longer = used) to=20 complete the install.  No NT license key was included, however the = media=20 for Win98 + license was included in the package.
 
The machine passes all BIOS diagnostics = ok.
 
Thanks for any help,
 
Greg Harris
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BE7328.39B79050-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:29:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28887 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00299; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:28:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00109; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29989; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.218.26]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321042736.EQBI15434@oemcomputer>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:27:36 +0000 Message-ID: <36F47518.7F0A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:27:04 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory Harris CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770X & DVD References: <004801be7352$2437ecf0$165a2581@vinnie_us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gregory Harris wrote: > > Hi, > > I have just received my refurbished 770X. All the previous comments I > have seen with respect to this machines' performance were extremely > positive. > > However, trying to copy from DVD (CD media) to the internal 8.1 Gig > seems to be taking forever. My desktop is also a PII-300/128 but with > 24*CD rather than DVD. Attempting the same copy on the desktop > indicates a time of about 12 minutes. On the 770, the time indicated > is 61 minutes! Any ideas? > DVD on the 770X is slower speed. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:37:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28921 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00849; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00702; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00689; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-38.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA31806; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <36F47733.DF7BA6C@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 100550.3170@compuserve.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will this fit my 755CX? References: <36f7a42d.746591@mail.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 1. its 17mm 2. yes it will fit, but you'll need the correct HDD shell.. Passion wrote: > 2.5" HDD > Model: IBM DPRA-21215 > Capacity: 1.215GB > Thickness: 16mm > > Will it fit in my Tpad 755CX anyone?? > > Thanks -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:39:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28936 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01284; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:38:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00938; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00906; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-38.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA14774; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <36F47766.48F35348@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:36:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Clark CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770+DEVA video capture References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You will need the optional enhanced video adapter to capture video... Bill Clark wrote: > Greetings! > > >From a prospective 770z purchaser: Would some kind person please > clarify what sort of capture function is provided by the DVD and > Enhanced Video Adapter (option)? > > What capture resolution? > > How deep a 'palette'? > > What direct video-to-display window sizes are possible at a given > capture resolution? > > Are any fancy realtime flows possible? Eg: video-in --> encode --> > harddisk --> decode --> display? > > Is hardware decoding possible with: harddisk --> decode --> display? > > Many thanks > Bill Clark mailto://wclark@sugarloaf.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:41:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28948 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01557; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01098; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01053; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-38.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA425256; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <36F477D4.4686E468@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:38:44 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory References: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18DF@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips then it should be OK.. also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is cheap.. what size and how much..?? Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > TIA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:43:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28967 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01939; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01682; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01656; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.82]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321044058.BJPA1671@770>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:40:58 +0000 Message-ID: <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:34 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and Creative 2X can not. Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station or PCMCIA SCSI. Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >And forget parallel port. > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > write. > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 20 23:49:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28998 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02625; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:48:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02422; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02368; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-057.usc.edu [128.125.224.57]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA22264; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990320204155.00b05630@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:41 -0800 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903210151.UAA25869@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:48 PM 3/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:31:37 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> You've got to be nuts to do it any other way. Drive Copy or Partition >>Magic (using the "copy partition" feature) are the way to go, and since >>you'll be putting this in a bay adapter, then its quite feasible since you >>can have both drives on-line at the same time. > >Looking at the Partition Magic FAQ, question 23 implies that Drive >Copy will copy the existing C: and D: partitions to C: and D: on my >new drive, but that the copy partition feature of Partition Magic >will let me copy partitions C: and D: to the same partition on the >new drive. Is that a correct understanding? > >And does it mean I should go with PM over DC? (I was actually >expecting the same or more functionality in DC than in the one >feature of PM). PM is more full-featured--DC is more like a less-flexible subset of one of the features PM has in it. DC is great because you just boot with a floppy, then put the DC floppy in, and everything is automatic. PM is great because it does a lot more than just copy all the partitions >from one disk to another (and the target must always be the same size or larger than the original, for DC to work). If forced to choose, I'd go with PM. Now for Drive *Image*...that's more like a kind of backup. It copies and compresses the amount of data in a partition over to another area (which, I think, must already be partitioned, but don't quote me on that). So if you have a a 2 GB partition that has only 500 MB of data on it, it will copy just the *data*, compress it (probably to around 250 MB) and write the image file to another drive. Whereas with DC will copy the entire drive--all partitions--over to a new drive, and PM will copy an entire partition at a time (regardless of whether that partition is empty with no data on it). - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 00:13:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29150 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03691; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:11:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03496; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03472; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-057.usc.edu [128.125.224.57]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA23916; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:10:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990320204808.00b0e4c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:10:41 -0800 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:05 PM 3/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >Secondly, CD-RW struck me as unnecessary and of limited utility, in >the sense that 650MB is smaller than either Jaz drive and smaller >than the hopefully-coming Orb drive, with media 6-7x that of CD-R. >I don't expect to use CD-RW. Any comments on the long-term >viability of 650MB CD-RW? Has anyone found they used the CD-RW >when they didn't expect to? If so, what for? I think it will remain, though always less-used than CD-R. If you intend to use and then re-use a CD more than about 5 times, then it makes sense to have a CD-R. Sometimes I use them for temporary storage for when I get around to it. :-) When I bought my CD-RW unit, I bought 100 blank CD-R's and about 6 CD-RW discs. I have around 3 of the RW discs in use in one capacity or another right now, and have burned upwards of 60 CD-R's. So I use both. For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW more reliable than removable media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables and 1 Zip--currently I have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable media to sometimes be "iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had some files on them "go bad"and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical strikes me as for more secure. And lets not forget that at about $1 each, CD-R's are cheap as dirt. Can't say that about any other media. And also, its universal. With a few stupid exceptions (weird drives here and there), you can burn a CD and send it to anyone. You can't just do that with a Jaz disk--they likely don't have a Jaz drive to put it into. A Zip comes close in universal compatibility, but then you think twice before dropping a $10 zip disk in the mail, whereas with a $1 CD-R, you just consider it an acceptable loss not worth worrying about. >Although the manufacturer sites list a lot of CD-R drives, the >couple of stores I was in only had CD-RW. Even some ads only >showed about a C$70 difference between CD-R and CD-RW. I wonder if >I should just go for the latter, or does it add weight to the unit? > I want external, of course. The laser unit of a CD-RW is slightly heavier because it has to burn at a higher intensity to affect RW media (and that tends to make RW slower than R-only), but I doubt that matters much in the overall unit weight. >What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to >be significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? >Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. I'll only say two things. First of all, I hate almost anything that goes on a parallel port except for a printer or a Laplink cable. Nothing else belongs there and it is an enormous kludge to put anything else there. That said, sometimes you just don't have any other options, especially on a laptop. But people who do so on desktop machinesare in for a world of hurt once they get more than one parallel-based peripheral. Parallel ports were never meant for such uses, and they don't hold up well in them. So given the choice? Go SCSI. Or USB, if that's available. But avoid parallel unless its just not an option. And by the way, when you get a parallel-to-SCSI converter, that's not any better than the parallel option (indeed, so-called "parallel" devices are usually just employing that same thing internally). Secondly, there's no question the bandwidth available in SCSI is far better than anything going through a parallel port. But for 4X speed CD's, that probably doesn't matter much. >Is there anything else to choose between these things? My primary >needs are: >1. Make CD-Rs as long-term archive units. Works well for that. >2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I >think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each >month, right? Is this is a universal capability? Pretty much. Depends on the software and you just have to make sure that you close a session when writing to the CD-R, but leave the disc "open" for future writes. >3. Convert my music CDs to mp3s, then pack a whole bunch (e.g. 10) >onto one CD-R. No reason you couldn't do that too. Just remember you can't play mp3's on a regular CD player. >4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this >requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. Lots of people do that too. Might want to invest in more full-featured software that addresses this need specifically. I made a CD (music CD--playable in any CD player) from an audiotape once--pretty much the same procedure. >On a related note, can I get music _in_ to my TP600 through the >microphone port from my bookshelf stereo? That would be much more >convenient than using the desktop machine which is elsewhere. Can't say, personally. I use my desktop for all my CD-RW needs. >As you can see, nothing that screams out for CD-RW, especially not >at 6-7x the price of CD-R media. I use an occasional CD-RW, but the vast majority of the time, you're right--CD-R is just fine (and about 1/5 the cost). But there are a few things for which, if you intend to re-use enough, RW makes sense. For instance, I have put all the floppies I downloaded from IBM's website (TP 600 drivers) onto a CD-RW for easy access/install whenever I might need them. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 01:58:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA29915 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10413; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:56:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10222; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10209; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.243]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321065540.CFBI1671@oemcomputer>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:55:40 +0000 Message-ID: <36F497CC.10BA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:55:09 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Andrew Webber , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW I agree- I have 5 items on my SCSI and I did not want to louse up. 770X ThinkPad. The Backpack works well. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 02:24:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00311 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11620; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11253; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11240; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pii333 [205.130.17.32] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id AF3EA2100C2; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:26:54 EST Message-ID: <002c01be736c$0a38a820$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: , Subject: Re: 701 freezes on battery power Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:25:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Hey there, This seems like a pretty frequent problem with 701's. Go to www.innernet.net/jlk and into the links section. (or directly at www.innernet.net/jlk/main/files) Download the 701reset file. Boot from a dos/win95/98 boot disk and run the downloaded program from disk or HD. What's happening is the BIOS battery meter thinks that the battery is charged, when in fact it is not. When you run the program, it resets the meter to where it 'should' be. I'm still unsure what does this, because it's happened to me several times. All i know is that that little program work-it's definatly something to keep with your 701... Good luck and let us know how it turns out. -Jamie >I picked up a TP701 as is, without HD, batts, or any accessories. I have now >collected all the parts needed, including the 32 meg RAM. I have flashed the >bios to current, and downloaded and installed all the updates for Win95. >Here's the problem: it only works on AC power. The battery takes a charge, >and shows 2 hours remaining, but when AC is removed, the machine invariably >locks up in 10 to 20 seconds, and stays that way. If I restore AC, it will >start responding again after 4 or 5 minutes. It is absolutely consistent in >this behavior. I have tried different batteries, different hard drives, and >even different AC adaptors. Does anyone have a clue ? It does this in Win95 >or DOS.....The sound has never worked either.....Thanks for any ideas....DP From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 02:24:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00318 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11697; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11299; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11273; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13283; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:19:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: <36F477D4.4686E468@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Are they talking about Crucial which is a part of Micron. While I have you in this mail Bill, I looked at your page and it said how to access the HD on the TP385. What do I do after I get the CDROM/Floppy out of the way since I can see the HD with it's bracket on but I can't get it to move at all. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips > then it should be OK.. > also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is > cheap.. > > what size and how much..?? > > Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > > > TIA > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 04:16:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA01155 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15575; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15435; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15422; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30476 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > > I've been looking at CD-R and CD-RW units and have a couple of > questions. First, are there any brands that won't like my TP600? There's a CD-R faq. http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ > Secondly, CD-RW struck me as unnecessary and of limited utility, in > the sense that 650MB is smaller than either Jaz drive and smaller > than the hopefully-coming Orb drive, with media 6-7x that of CD-R. > I don't expect to use CD-RW. Any comments on the long-term > viability of 650MB CD-RW? Has anyone found they used the CD-RW > when they didn't expect to? If so, what for? One unexpected use I've found is for test-burning CD-R's. When I first got mine, I made 4 coasters trying to learn how the software worked and configuring my SCSI chain correctly (most CD-R/RWs don't take advantage of SCSI/Ultra capabilities and funny things can happen when you mix it with a drive that does). Then it hit me that I should be practicing using the CD-RW disk that came with the drive. Generally though, I haven't found it useful except for routine backups of files that end up changing a lot (e.g. scanned photos I'm editing in photoshop). While it's true that most drives can now read CD-RW, they generally can't read it as fast as they can a CD-R. My Yamaha 4/4/16 can read CD-Rs at 16x, but it can only read CD-RW at about 8x (my Plextor 12/20 can only read them at about 6x). Also, the speed is partially determined by the media. If you end up buying 2x CD-RW disk (like I did because nobody warned me about this), your 4x RW drive will write to it at 2x (dunno if it affects read speed - haven't tested). I don't know the price differential between 2x and 4x disks as I've just ended up using the one 4x disk that came with the drive for frequent backups, and the 2x disks I mistakenly bought for infrequent backups. > Although the manufacturer sites list a lot of CD-R drives, the > couple of stores I was in only had CD-RW. Even some ads only > showed about a C$70 difference between CD-R and CD-RW. I wonder if > I should just go for the latter, or does it add weight to the unit? > I want external, of course. If the money is not that important, then go for the CD-RW. If you get the CD-R, you may find yourself wishing in a couple months that you'd gotten the CD-RW. If you get the CD-RW you can still do CD-R, and if you end up never touching a CD-RW the only thing you're out of is the initial money. > What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to > be significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? > Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. A 4x CD-R needs to be fed data at 600k/sec. Most enhanced parallel ports are capable of about 1MB/sec I think. But you also have to factor in time the computer spends reading from the hard disk and running the software. Without having tried it :-), I'd think a 1 MB/sec transfer speed is cutting it close for a 15 minute operation where one data underrun equals $1 in the trash. Also, the Yamaha drive has a nice 2MB buffer. Most other drives have a 1MB buffer, which means the computer can be "distracted" for only half as long (like when that damn Office fastfind process starts up on its own) before your CD-R becomes a coaster. Here's a review of the Yamaha unit. http://206.132.42.114/html/review_display.cfm?document=886 I'm pretty happy with mine. > Is there anything else to choose between these things? My primary > needs are: > 1. Make CD-Rs as long-term archive units. > 2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I > think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each > month, right? Is this is a universal capability? Yes it's universal. But each time you add a new session of data, it basically rewrites the entire directory structure (current and past sessions). So don't expect to be able to store as much data using this technique as if you'd written it all at once. I'm finding I lose an extra 5-15 MB per session to the directory tree. YMMV depending on your file sizes. > 3. Convert my music CDs to mp3s, then pack a whole bunch (e.g. 10) > onto one CD-R. I found it more useful to rip my music CDs, mix and match the songs I like, then burn an audio CD packed with 74-80 minutes of just the songs I like. Almost all SCSI CD-R/RW drives can rip audio (extract the audio data in pristine digital form). Many IDE and parallel drives cannot. The FAQ has links to sites which list what drives can and cannot. > 4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this > requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. > On a related note, can I get music _in_ to my TP600 through the > microphone port from my bookshelf stereo? That would be much more > convenient than using the desktop machine which is elsewhere. I suspect you'll want to cut down on noise - a desktop may be better suited for that. I've found Thinkpads to be rather noisy (in terms of signal quality, not volume :-) at the audio in/out ports. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 06:59:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01912 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24892; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:58:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24725; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24712; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:57:56 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.114]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA01072; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903211157.GAA01072@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.114] 209.198.80.114 Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:57:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:59:05 -0500 To: "Andrew Webber" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <199903210205.VAA27341@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: CD-R/RW X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Athough the manufacturer sites list a lot of CD-R drives, the couple of >stores I was in only had CD-RW. Even some ads only showed about a C$70 >difference between CD-R and CD-RW. I wonder if I should just go for the >latter, or does it add weight to the unit? > I want external, of course. The value of the RW disks is that you can erase them and use them again. I didn't see the big value in this until the time came when I was being overrun with Cds used for backups. Then the logic of just reusing a few RW Cds became obvious. I've also used them a few times to test-burn a CD. I've been archiving files from Zip disks, floppies and tapes, and for some reason that I don't understand a corrupted file will stop the burn and make another coaster. Using a RW cd to test with saves, because if the burn fails I just erase it, fix the problem and then burn a CD-R. I've also used them as an interim storage place for groups of files that don't add up to 650mb, but take up too much hard drive storage until the batch reaches a point where they can be burned to a CD. Prices are all over the place on these things. I've bought Ricoh CDRW disks from Staples at 5 for $39 a couple of times. The last sale they had is was "buy one-get one free", so the RW price has really been $4 each. I think they can also be finalized so they can be read in regular CD drives, and then unlocked and reused again. I've usually paid about $2 each for regular Cds at Walmart. Once I found Fuji ten packs for $24.95 with a $25 rebate. >What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to be >significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? >Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. Go with SCSI if you can. Depending what the files are recording at two times can take about an hour. I think a parallel version would take much longer. Also, not all Cds can be burned at 4 times, and all audio Cds are burned at 1 times. Also make sure that the one you get has a flash bios so you can upgrade it. Not all software packages work with each CD W, and/or some CD bios versions. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 07:18:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02023 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25454; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:16:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25278; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25265; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA31472 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:16:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <199903211157.GAA01072@pike.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 letoured@sover.net wrote: > > Go with SCSI if you can. Depending what the files are recording at two > times can take about an hour. I think a parallel version would take much > longer. Also, not all Cds can be burned at 4 times, and all audio Cds are > burned at 1 times. Nearly all CD-Rs nowadays can be burned at 4x. You can burn audio CDs at the same speed as data CDs. The problem with audio is reading. Unlike data tracks which have enough formatting information for the computer to read any particular bit, audio tracks don't have any random-access formatting info. So the only places the drive can know for sure where it's at is the beginning of each track/song. On a data CD, error recovery (beyond the built-in error correction coding) involves just re-reading the data. Error recovery on an audio CD is nearly impossible because the drive doesn't know where to re-read, and if it does try re-reading it has no idea if it's re-reading the correct place. So if you're copying directly from an audio CD, most burners default to reading the music at the slowest speed possible since that produces the least likelihood of read errors. If you rip the audio track and save it to hard disk before burning, you can burn at full speed. (If your read drive supports Digital Audio Extraction, you can probably burn at full speed directly.) All this (and more! :-) is in the FAQ. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 07:36:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02105 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26345; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:34:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26005; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com (hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA25992; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id HAA17175 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:33:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:33:32 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: MWave frustrations... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199903210733_MC2-6ECD-EC40@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dae0ae17-df80-11d2-b41c-00805feae8d8" List-Unsubscribe: This is a MIME-encapsulated message --dae0ae17-df80-11d2-b41c-00805feae8d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I am now getting the attached Mwave error message, supplied in a small g= if file (3kb) I used to have such a robust system, being able to have Netscape, Mirc an= d Forte Agent all active at the same time. Now, I only have to cough with o= ne task running and this message pops up (after about 3 mins of inactivity) = and I have to reboot to get control of the modem back... I am running W95b on a 40Mb 755CX P75 (at 256 col set) on AC power... using onboard Mwave modem 3.0 and BIOS 2.25 running at 28,800 although it= is set for 33,600 (My telcos line limit !!). 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Email or Tel: 01252 710141 Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 08:19:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02307 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28581; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:17:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28411; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28398; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pii333 [205.130.17.32] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A278C1B0128; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:22:00 EST Message-ID: <003e01be739d$b1c9ba80$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: , "Andrew Webber" , Subject: Re: CD-R/RW-side note on media Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Just thought I'd drop a note that if anyone lives near a SAMS club store(I believe they're an affiliate of Wal-Mart) in the US, they have great buys on cdr's. A 20 pack of Verbatim 650mb/74min goes for $27.00, which is the cheapest I'v ever seen. IMO it's not worth the money to buy 50 on a spindle w/out cases. -Jamie From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 09:05:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02507 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29483; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:04:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29298; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay12.jaring.my (relay12.jaring.my [192.228.128.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29282; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardthinkpad (j27.bkr33.jaring.my [161.142.103.101]) by relay12.jaring.my (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02589 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:03:31 +0800 (MYT) From: "ZhaoYun" To: Subject: Upgrade Thinkpad 390 LCD Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:03:19 +0800 Message-ID: <000201be73a3$931457c0$fd3d188b@richardthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003e01be739d$b1c9ba80$020aa8c0@pii333> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sir/Madam, Does anyone know that if I can upgrade my Thinkpad 12.1 TFT LCD to 13.1 or 14.1 LCD ? Is that possible ? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 10:37:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02986 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01313; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:34:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01035; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cesare.sugarloaf.net (cesare.sugarloaf.net [204.144.179.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01020; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from urho ([204.144.179.9]) by cesare.sugarloaf.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41095U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA396 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:30:23 -0700 From: "Bill Clark" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770Z capture Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone tell me what the 770 Enhanced Video Adapter (DEVA) capture function is good for? 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Thanks Bill Clark mailto://bill@clark.com mailto://wclark@sugarloaf.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 10:54:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03162 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01938; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:51:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01646; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01628; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id HAA12082 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:49:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990321074948.00bbe2d0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:49:59 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: CD-R/RW-side note on media Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:21 AM 3/21/99 , you wrote: >Just thought I'd drop a note that if anyone lives near a SAMS club store(I >believe they're an affiliate of Wal-Mart) in the US, they have great buys on >cdr's. A 20 pack of Verbatim 650mb/74min goes for $27.00, which is the >cheapest I'v ever seen. IMO it's not worth the money to buy 50 on a spindle >w/out cases. At Price Club/CostCo stores (membership required), the 20 pack of TDK CD-R media (1x, 2x, 4x, 6x certified) is always $29.95 but either has a $10 or $20 rebate attached to it. Therefore your final cost is either $1 each or $0.50 each. This includes the cases. The ONLY way to go! -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 11:43:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03577 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03138; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:42:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02990; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02953; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14958; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: rj To: Bill Morrow cc: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: <36F477D4.4686E468@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: They had a 64MB module for about $150. If you want to get an overview of the company take a look at http://www.crucial.com/company/companyinfo.asp On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips > then it should be OK.. > also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is > cheap.. > > what size and how much..?? > > Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > > > TIA > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 12:13:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03900 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04211; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:12:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04087; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04074; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA16806; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:10:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from alb-ny6-45.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.109) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016793; Sun Mar 21 11:10:02 1999 Message-ID: <36F528C3.600E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:13:39 -0500 From: Harvey Organization: What me Worry. com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: Bill Morrow , Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: rj wrote: > > They had a 64MB module for about $150. > > If you want to get an overview of the company take a look at > http://www.crucial.com/company/companyinfo.asp > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips > > then it should be OK.. > > also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is > > cheap.. > > > > what size and how much..?? > > > > Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > > > > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > > > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > > > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > Go with Coast to Coast Memory in the US for Thinkpad mem. I have no business association with them, just a satisfied customer. They offer the best prices and lifetime warranty. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 13:07:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04342 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06141; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:06:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06010; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05997; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22664 invoked by alias); 21 Mar 1999 18:06:14 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 22599 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 1999 18:06:11 -0000 Received: from dialupl206.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (209.180.201.206) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 18:06:11 -0000 From: "p machule" To: Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 701 stuff Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:30:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01be73c0$798dbe00$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: It seems several of us are doing the same . ( buying old 701's and trying to get them to work ;-} The IBM 701C user manual is only $2 from IBM publications !!! The manual for it's modem is $3. If you know anything about IBM manuals and pricing ....this is amazing . Where did you find the parts and how much were they ? Thank You .peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Rous56@aol.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: 701 freezes on battery power >I picked up a TP701 as is, without HD, batts, or any accessories. I have now >collected all the parts needed, including the 32 meg RAM. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 13:18:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04482 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06918; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:17:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06746; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06733; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-120-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.243]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10309; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:16:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36F53750.25A1C6A7@cia-g.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:15:44 -0700 From: Wabe Brillig Reply-To: brillig@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harvey CC: rj , Bill Morrow , Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory References: <36F528C3.600E@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We have used Coast to Coast many times, but we have found they do not reply to inquiries reliably... and they are a major pain in the butt to deal with on returns or questions on shipments. www.thechipmerchant.com has been much more reliable for us over the past two years... fast and inexpensive.... Of course as inexpensive as either of these places are, you better know what you want and why as returns will cost you. The Chip Merchant has always sent me quality brands including Crucial, Micron, Toshiba, IBM but I have never been able to specify. They also have hard drives, agp, etc. Wrist straps, conductive grease, etc. I have no relationship with them. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 14:16:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05042 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08383; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:15:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08243; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08230; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA15567; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:15:43 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from concentric.net (ts007d07.okc-ok.concentric.net [206.173.177.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA02240; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:15:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F54551.477C84CD@concentric.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:15:29 -0600 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 Sometimes Ignores VST Zip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've got a TP600 (264545U) and a VST ZIP100 that goes in the ultra bay in place of the cd-rom player; I bought them last fall and think this is the best deal since sliced bread, except that lately I find the TP is occasionally declining to recognize the ZIP and I have to reboot.....and sometimes reboot and reboot...to use the ZIP. I'm running IBM factory installed Win98 and I think I've got the latest drivers and bios. Maybe 50-60% of the time when I start the TP in the morning it will not recognize the ZIP as being installed in the ultra bay. Sometimes I can do a warm reboot and it will appear; sometimes I can do a cold reboot and it will appear; sometimes I can do a cold reboot--first removing and replacing the ZIP drive--and it will appear. Sometimes I will leave the TP on but idle for several hours and turn to use it and find the ZIP drive (that I had been using earlier) no longer recognized. Does anyone know of any known issues that I might be addressing to solve this intermittent but extremely aggravating problem? I've sent several emails to VST Tech Support (they make this Thinkpad Approved drive) but have yet to hear back from them. TIA, --Bob Baron From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 14:20:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05073 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08780; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:19:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08649; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08631; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26672; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:14:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: rj To: Wabe Brillig cc: Harvey , Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: <36F53750.25A1C6A7@cia-g.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I tried finding Coast to Coast on the web and the only thing I have found is www.coast2coast.com and they don't seem to list memory for notebooks much less TP's. Do you have the web address or did I hit on the correct one but just have not found the correct page at there web site? Thanks. On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Wabe Brillig wrote: > We have used Coast to Coast many times, > but we have found they do not reply to > inquiries reliably... and they are a > major pain in the butt to deal with > on returns or questions on shipments. > > www.thechipmerchant.com has been much > more reliable for us over the past two > years... fast and inexpensive.... > > Of course as inexpensive as either of > these places are, you better know what > you want and why as returns will cost you. > > The Chip Merchant has always sent me > quality brands including Crucial, Micron, > Toshiba, IBM but I have never been able to > specify. > > They also have hard drives, agp, etc. Wrist > straps, conductive grease, etc. > > I have no relationship with them. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 14:21:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05090 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09008; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:20:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08869; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08614; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 1WAGa17110; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:18:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6bf0b455.36f545fe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:18:22 EST To: jlk@innernet.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 701 freezes on battery power Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 3/21/99 1:22:30 AM Central Standard Time, jlk@innernet.net writes: << thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Thanks for the link to the 701 reset program. I tried it, and it made no difference. My battery meter had been working properly. My machine does not shut down when AC is removed, it just stops responding, but the screen stays on. Anyone seen this before ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 15:26:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06106 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11481; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:21:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11312; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11279; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Rballmaw@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 7YEPa07881; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <80b07a46.36f5526f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:11:27 EST To: Bill@thinkpads.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 750CS User's Guide? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I recently purchased a TP750CS (Model 9545-208). Do you know a source for the user's guide for this machine? Would it be worth contacting IBM? I know that the 750CS was withdrawn from marketing by IBM in Sept. '94. Any help you can give will be appreciated. TIA, Mike Williams From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 15:39:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06209 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12284; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:36:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12104; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12081; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic92.fbtc.net [204.2.11.92]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA15273; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:36:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010201be73d9$e3bf11c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:30:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 8:05 PM Subject: CD-R/RW >I've been looking at CD-R and CD-RW units and have a couple of >questions. First, are there any brands that won't like my TP600? I can only talk about Ricoh. It works fine from my 2 Thinkpads. It's the parallel model. >Secondly, CD-RW struck me as unnecessary and of limited utility, in >the sense that 650MB is smaller than either Jaz drive and smaller >than the hopefully-coming Orb drive, with media 6-7x that of CD-R. >I don't expect to use CD-RW. Any comments on the long-term >viability of 650MB CD-RW? Has anyone found they used the CD-RW >when they didn't expect to? If so, what for? I have a CD-RW and I bought a couple of extra RW discs when I bought it, and it came with 1. I've used one of them for temporary storage while moving things around, but that's all the use I've found for it. I think I'm glad I have it since it didn't cost extra. I got it on a close-out. But I probably wouldn't get one if it's more money. The R discs are just fine. They're also must more durable from what I've read. And, considering that even the R discs aren't thought to be that durable, much less durable means, in my mind, don't trust it with anything important enough to justify the cost. >What about SCSI vs. parallel? Is the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI going to >be significantly faster than (say) the Backpack 4x2x6 parallel? >Specifically comparing the 4-speed CD-R writing, that is. > >Is there anything else to choose between these things? My primary >needs are: >1. Make CD-Rs as long-term archive units. >2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I >think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each >month, right? Is this is a universal capability? Yes you can but you lose 20 meg each time, I think. This might be a good place for the RW disc. Accumulate on it and then transfer it to a CD-R when it's done. By the way, I think you can avoid losing the 20 meg if you don't close the disc after each accumulation. But I don't think you can read it till you do close it. I haven't done this so I'm not sure. >3. Convert my music CDs to mp3s, then pack a whole bunch (e.g. 10) >onto one CD-R. >4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this >requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. >On a related note, can I get music _in_ to my TP600 through the >microphone port from my bookshelf stereo? That would be much more >convenient than using the desktop machine which is elsewhere. > >As you can see, nothing that screams out for CD-RW, especially not >at 6-7x the price of CD-R media. If you have a CD-RW drive you can use both types of media in it. In the faq I think I remember it saying that the CD-RW drives produce less troublesome CD-R discs. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 15:42:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06254 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12615; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:39:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12489; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12469; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-010.usc.edu [128.125.223.10]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA22454 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990321122649.00b2b900@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:39:04 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: OT: Projectors--advice/prices? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Sorry this is off-topic, but I've grown to respect this group's connections & expertise, so I thought it useful to ask here: Does anybody here have advice or connections (that is, good prices) on getting an LCD or DLP Projector for use with my ThinkPad 600? I travel and do presentations as an integral part of my work and I'm often at the mercy of the resources contained in whatever group I'm presenting to. Sometimes that's great, but other times...its pathetic. The projector they have may be woeful (or worse yet, its a panel on an overhead) and frankly, I've grown to believe that it would be worth my while to purchase a projector of my own and bring it with me (ouch--expensive!). There are some value solutions out there that start at $2000 or so, but they lack the kind of flexible features I really feel I will need to make it worth my while to have. I need one that is bright enough to not make apologies for (I figure at least 600 lumens--1000 would be nice, but that's definitely pushing it), capable of at least 800x600 resolution and capable of compressing (nicely) a 1024x768 signal, and must have a zoom lens so I can adjust the image size since I never know what circumstances I will be looking at until I arrive at the location. To top it all off, I'd *prefer* something relatively small & light because I have to travel with it. So far, the one I think best meets the needs is an InFocus LP425 (or the "z" model), but the lowest price I've found on that is $3,332 (*sigh*). If anyone knows of other options they think are good, or knows about a previously-owned projector for sale, or has some kind of connection that would allow me to buy the above (or comparable) model for a better price, would you please contact me? Address is below. Thank you in advance, - Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 15:51:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06349 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13258; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:48:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13076; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13063; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.55]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321204738.EJHX25618@oemcomputer>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: <36F55AE8.11E7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:47:36 -0500 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert D. Baron" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Sometimes Ignores VST Zip References: <36F54551.477C84CD@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Reinstall or update Ultrabay driver. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 15:58:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06398 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13709; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:53:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13569; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13555; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.48]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321205322.GJJO10637@770> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:53:22 +0000 Message-ID: <36F55BEF.192C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:51:59 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SCSI onDock 1??? Help please References: <6bf0b455.36f545fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am using a 755C with a DOck 1 How do I enable SCSI (Win95) I see tehre are two set os small DIP switches inside, but no combo I have treid does anything other than bring W95 up in a new config. SCSI never appears in Device Manager. What do I need to do to enable the SCSI? DOS drivers? Anyone remember?? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 16:03:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06451 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14203; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:59:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14015; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14002; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id NAA17358; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:59:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:59:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903212059.NAA17358@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: Projectors--advice/prices? List-Unsubscribe: > So far, the one I think best meets the needs is an InFocus > LP425 (or the "z" model), but the lowest price I've found on > that is $3,332 (*sigh*). Randy, Do you need the 600+ lumens? I purchased the LP225 which has a low lumen count, but does exceptional with the room lights dimmed. You only need higher lumens if you need "lights on" presentations. I ended up paying $1800+, plus another $70 for a soft case. It's not as light or as nice as the 425 (my first choice), but it does exceptional. One hint with the LP225... change resolution to 800x600, Fn+F7 to switch to external display only, then turn on the LP225. This will prevent the output image from appearing compressed. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 16:20:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06624 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15539; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:17:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15392; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15379; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-010.usc.edu [128.125.223.10]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA25890; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990321130922.00b2a160@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:16:59 -0800 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OT: Projectors--advice/prices? In-Reply-To: <199903212059.NAA17358@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:59 PM 3/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >> So far, the one I think best meets the needs is an InFocus >> LP425 (or the "z" model), but the lowest price I've found on >> that is $3,332 (*sigh*). >Do you need the 600+ lumens? I purchased the LP225 which has a low >lumen count, but does exceptional with the room lights dimmed. You >only need higher lumens if you need "lights on" presentations. Yes, actually I *do* need the lumens. I never know what kind of environment I'll be presenting in, so I need something that will work no matter what. Furthermore, I very much prefer to be seen. Its not that I'm vain (I'm not exactly Fabio), its that I need to make eye-contact and drive it home. Its more difficult to trust a disembodied voice. That said, if I were to get the use of one for cheap or free or whatever, I'd never complain--these are only criteria if I were going to *buy* one. So Al, are you in L.A. and would you like to work out a sharing agreement? :-) >I ended up paying $1800+, plus another $70 for a soft case. It's not May I ask your purchase source and date? >One hint with the LP225... change resolution to 800x600, Fn+F7 to >switch to external display only, then turn on the LP225. This will >prevent the output image from appearing compressed. Compression is fine as long as its done well--I've done presentations using projectors that were 800x600 native and were compressing my 1024x768 image and I could barely tell--even up close. Others weren't so great. I don't know about this particular make/model, but I did one on an NEC that was absolutely *incredible*. Unfortunately, external display only is difficult for me. There are parts in my presentation where I'm not just showing stuff off, but I go to the computer and actually demo things, and that pretty much requires me to have my local screen on (In a pinch, I can work from off of the projected image, but that's tough). - Randy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 16:45:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07073 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16539; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:40:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16347; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16334; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id OAA23126; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:40:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:40:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903212140.OAA23126@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: Projectors--advice/prices? List-Unsubscribe: > That said, if I were to get the use of one for cheap or free > or whatever, I'd never complain--these are only criteria if I > were going to *buy* one. Well, as far as buying, I have always used InFocus projectors -- not that others aren't great, but I've learned to trust them. I couldn't bring myself to spend the extra $$$ on the LP425 (anything that expensive I'd have to be using on a daily basis) -- so I decided the LP225 would be adequate for my twice a month use. > So Al, are you in L.A. and would you like to work out a sharing > agreement? :-) Boy what I wouldn't have done to be able to share projectors! I discovered that renting is so expensive, that you may as well buy. Too bad I'm all the way in Philly! > May I ask your purchase source and date? I purchased from PC Zone about 2 weeks ago. I've put about 25 hours of presentation time on it so far (the InFocus line has a bulb hour counter so you can kinda figure out when you'll need to spring another $250 for a bulb). Hardwarestreet.com has better prices, but their online inventory never matches when I call them. > Compression is fine as long as its done well--I've done > presentations using projectors that were 800x600 native > and were compressing my 1024x768 image and I could barely > tell--even up close. Others weren't so great. Well, to be honest, the XGA compressed didn't look so hot coming out of the Thinkpad. SVGA, when set up correctly, looks extremely sharp. I spent an hour watching a DVD movie using the LP225 :) The Thinkpad treats the external display as 1024x768 even if the internal LCD is set to 800x600... unless you turn off the internal LCD. So the projected image is still compressed until you use the external only. Took me a while to figure it out. My demos are 1/2 in Win98 with a Powerpoint presentation (looks exceptional at 800x600, and really jagged at XGA compressed). The other half is a live demo under Linux -- which unfortunately has to be done in XGA (never could drop it to SVGA no matter what I do to XF86Config) -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 17:58:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07502 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18299; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:53:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18127; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (gatem02.netusa1.net [205.139.170.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18101; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (in-59-143.netusa1.net [208.158.59.143]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA10021; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:52:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990321175530.0082c260@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:55:30 -0500 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Roger Grady Subject: Tp 365 HD Removal (was Re: Critical Technology Memory) In-Reply-To: References: <36F477D4.4686E468@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:19 PM 3/20/99 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > Are they talking about Crucial which is a part of Micron. >While I have you in this mail Bill, I looked at your page and it said how >to access the HD on the TP385. What do I do after I get the CDROM/Floppy >out of the way since I can see the HD with it's bracket on but I can't get >it to move at all. I had the same problem getting my 365ED hard drive loose. The instructions made it sound simple, but I ended up having to (very carefully) pry with a small screwdriver to break the HD connector loose. I couldn't budge it just pulling on the tabs attached to the drive shell. In fact the connector on the mother board seemed to be starting to bend its pins where it soldered in. At this point I decided a little prying between halves of the connector was in order to get it loose. Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 20:22:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08669 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22565; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:17:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22320; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22290; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA16364; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from concentric.net (ts005d47.okc-ok.concentric.net [206.173.130.251]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA08107; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:16:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F599DA.B8016253@concentric.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:16:10 -0600 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Birger Petterson CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Sometimes Ignores VST Zip References: <36F54551.477C84CD@concentric.net> <36F55AE8.11E7@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Reinstall or update Ultrabay driver. > Didn't help. I'm beginning to think there is something going wrong with the drive itself....the cd-rom seems to be recognized whenever I insert it..... Thanks, --Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 21 22:35:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10394 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAB26346; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:30:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26175; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26161; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-120-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.243]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24710; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:29:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36F5B90B.DE6CFDA7@cia-g.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:29:15 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: Wabe Brillig , Harvey , Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think you might find them at www.thechipmerchant.com and www.coastmemory.com or something along that line. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 12:36:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16565 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17837; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:24:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17599; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17578; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA12084 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:24:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:24:00 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199903221724.JAA12084@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dock 1 scsi List-Unsubscribe: I kind of remember that dock 1 scsi uses a future domain 8-bit chip. I have a dock 1 and can check the manual if you don't have it. But I think the manuals are online somewhere. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 14:20:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17871 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24218; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:15:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24011; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23971; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25579; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Roger Grady cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tp 365 HD Removal (was Re: Critical Technology Memory) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990321175530.0082c260@mail.netusa1.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Roger Grady wrote: > At 11:19 PM 3/20/99 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Are they talking about Crucial which is a part of Micron. > >While I have you in this mail Bill, I looked at your page and it said how > >to access the HD on the TP385. What do I do after I get the CDROM/Floppy > >out of the way since I can see the HD with it's bracket on but I can't get > >it to move at all. > > I had the same problem getting my 365ED hard drive loose. The instructions > made it sound simple, but I ended up having to (very carefully) pry with a > small screwdriver to break the HD connector loose. I couldn't budge it just > pulling on the tabs attached to the drive shell. In fact the connector on > the mother board seemed to be starting to bend its pins where it soldered > in. At this point I decided a little prying between halves of the connector > was in order to get it loose. Hmmm, I wished I got that far... It's like the HD bracket is still mounted tight to the case and there were more screws than the instruction mentioned. I wonder if it is any easier if when I get the TP770x, to just take the 770x's HD and connect it to the 385ED and copy the drive using the PCMCIA card but this is assuming the 770X's HD is easier to take out. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:09:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18419 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26971; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:55:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26868; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26834; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:54:44 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: DOCK II manual ?? Any spares ? Part number ?? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01be749e$3862b3c0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have a Dock II manual in front of them ? IBM publications can't find the part number (grin). It on the back cover . Or even better if you would have a spare since the price .... if we ever do find one, is likely to be scary. Thank You ..peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:17:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18514 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28640; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:13:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28487; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (gatem02.netusa1.net [205.139.170.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28469; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (indyk119.netusa1.net [205.139.170.119]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19021; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:11:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990322151502.0082e830@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:02 -0500 To: Vincent Poy From: Roger Grady Subject: Re: Tp 365 HD Removal (was Re: Critical Technology Memory) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990321175530.0082c260@mail.netusa1.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:15 AM 3/22/99 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > Hmmm, I wished I got that far... It's like the HD bracket is >still mounted tight to the case and there were more screws than the >instruction mentioned. I wonder if it is any easier if when I get the >TP770x, to just take the 770x's HD and connect it to the 385ED and copy >the drive using the PCMCIA card but this is assuming the 770X's HD is >easier to take out. Oops, I just re-read Vincent's original post and saw he has a 385, not a 365, which probably makes my comments mostly irrelevant. Sorry. Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:20:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18571 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29043; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28864; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28818; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:14:24 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id PAA23616 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:13:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903222013.PAA23616@hil-img-10.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:12:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-R/RW List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:10:41 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW more reliable than removable >media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables and 1 Zip--currently I >have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable media to sometimes be >"iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had some files on them "go >bad" and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical strikes me as for more secure. The big thing is, are the failures detected when the disk is made or when you want the data back? It sounds like in the case of CD-R, you know (or can determine) at time of burning. Of course this problem has been around as long as diskettes. Notching the sleeve and using the uncertified back of a 160k disk; punching a hole in the case and "magically" making a 720k disk into a 1.44Mb disk. It was okay if they failed on write; disaster if they failed on read! > The laser unit of a CD-RW is slightly heavier because it has to burn at a >higher intensity to affect RW media (and that tends to make RW slower than >R-only), but I doubt that matters much in the overall unit weight. I haven't seen a big difference in weight, but that was my major concern (I'm also not sure I'll haul it around when flying anyway!). >I'll only say two things. First of all, I hate almost anything that goes >on a parallel port except for a printer or a Laplink cable. To me, a parallel port is for a printer and a serial port is for communication. I've since discovered first-hand how much faster a parallel connection is for connecting two machines. :) >Nothing else >belongs there and it is an enormous kludge to put anything else there. Haven't had any trouble with my ZIP drive. I wouldn't mind trying a USB CD-R or CD-RW but I don't believe there is such a thing. >Secondly, there's no question the bandwidth available in SCSI is far >better than anything going through a parallel port. But for 4X speed CD's, >that probably doesn't matter much. I think 4x CD is something like 600MB/s, which is well below the parallel port's capability. But if I go SCSI I can move the Microtek scanner to my machine (from the old desktop) so that's another bonus. >>4. Convert some old vinyl and/or tapes to music CD (realizing this >>requires additional software/hardware), either directly or as mp3. > > Lots of people do that too. Might want to invest in more full-featured >software that addresses this need specifically. I made a CD (music >CD--playable in any CD player) from an audiotape once--pretty much the same >procedure. Any suggestions? I believe the Deluxe Adaptec software helps with cleanup. Thanks again! ==== On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:59:05 -0500, letoured@sover.net wrote: >The value of the RW disks is that you can erase them and use them again. I >didn't see the big value in this until the time came when I was being >overrun with Cds used for backups. Then the logic of just reusing a few RW >Cds became obvious. I'd have to be ruthless throwing out the old CDs. But I know I wouldn't. :) Thanks for your comments! ==== On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:34 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW >The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems >to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and >Creative 2X can not. >Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station >or PCMCIA SCSI. Thank you for the elaboration. I do wonder if I'll see that much benefit from SCSI when a 4x CD is only 600MB/s, which a parallel should handle. But going SCSI will let me move the scanner to my notebook from the desktop, which is another benefit. I checked the docking station prices and it seems to be about U$700 for the one with PCI and ISA slots, so I'll stick with a SCSI PCMCIA card for now (regretting it when I later buy a port replicator, I'm sure :). ==== On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:14:31 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >There's a CD-R faq. http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ Quite extensive, too. Thanks! >determined by the media. If you end up buying 2x CD-RW disk >(like I did because nobody warned me about this), your 4x RW >drive will write to it at 2x (dunno if it affects read speed - >haven't tested). I don't know the price differential between >2x and 4x disks as I've just ended up using the one 4x disk Thanks for the warning! I hope this will turn out to be why the Staples disks I saw were U$13 (that they're 4x). >If the money is not that important, then go for the CD-RW. >If you get the CD-R, you may find yourself wishing in a couple >months that you'd gotten the CD-RW. If you get the CD-RW you >can still do CD-R, and if you end up never touching a CD-RW >the only thing you're out of is the initial money. I'm leaning that way now. My biggest concern with getting an unnecessary RW capability was travel weight. I haven't seen significant differences though. >A 4x CD-R needs to be fed data at 600k/sec. Most enhanced >parallel ports are capable of about 1MB/sec I think. But you >also have to factor in time the computer spends reading from >the hard disk and running the software. Without having tried >it :-), I'd think a 1 MB/sec transfer speed is cutting it >close for a 15 minute operation where one data underrun equals >$1 in the trash. Not to mention the wasted time! >Also, the Yamaha drive has a nice 2MB buffer. Most other >drives have a 1MB buffer, which means the computer can be The Backpack 4x6x2 parallel unit also has 2MB. I think their older 2x6x2 has 1MB. >I suspect you'll want to cut down on noise - a desktop may be >better suited for that. I've found Thinkpads to be rather >noisy (in terms of signal quality, not volume :-) at the audio >in/out ports. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I think the sound card on my old desktop machine (P166) has a 1/8" plug for input, but I'll check the manual. ==== On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:21:13 -0500, Slip wrote: >IMO it's not worth the money to buy 50 on a spindle >w/out cases. Is that because you like the cases, or because the spindle packaging provides less protection before you get them? I expect I'll end up with my home-burnt CD-Rs in Tyvek sleeves (like discs) and my home-burnt CDs in cases (like CDs :). ==== On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:49:59 -0800, David Goldman wrote: >This includes the cases. The ONLY way to go! I always think the jewel cases take up too much room, but then I put my CDs in them and even replace broken cases! So I guess I think one thing but do the other. ==== On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:30:18 -0600, Barry Marks wrote: >I can only talk about Ricoh. It works fine from >my 2 Thinkpads. It's the parallel model. What speed does it write and re-write? I would think a modern parallel port's throughput would handle 4x (600MB/s?) with no trouble. ==== andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:29:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18674 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00126; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:24:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29810; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29796; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:23:53 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id PAA24808 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:22:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903222022.PAA24808@hil-img-10.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:21:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New 6.4GB List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:47:41 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >PM is more full-featured--DC is more like a less-flexible subset of one of >the features PM has in it. I'm surprised that DC would be a subset of the feature. If anything I'd have expected a superset. But I'll go with Partition Magic. At the PQ site it's U$69.95, but at my local Staples it's C$60 (U$45) plus there's a rebate sticker on it. No indication when the rebate expires (expired). I understand I can move my current 2GB C: to the new drive and my current 2GB D: to the new drive, all on one 6.4GB C: partition. Are there problems I'm going to face? Thanks again for the information. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:33:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18725 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00617; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:29:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00461; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (root@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29787; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25888; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:17:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Roger Grady cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tp 365 HD Removal (was Re: Critical Technology Memory) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990322151502.0082e830@mail.netusa1.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Roger Grady wrote: > At 11:15 AM 3/22/99 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hmmm, I wished I got that far... It's like the HD bracket is > >still mounted tight to the case and there were more screws than the > >instruction mentioned. I wonder if it is any easier if when I get the > >TP770x, to just take the 770x's HD and connect it to the 385ED and copy > >the drive using the PCMCIA card but this is assuming the 770X's HD is > >easier to take out. > > Oops, I just re-read Vincent's original post and saw he has a 385, not a > 365, which probably makes my comments mostly irrelevant. Sorry. It's probaly pretty similar. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 15:58:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18999 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02722; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:48:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02630; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02614; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-175.islandnet.com [139.142.112.175] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10PBbg-000WRxC for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SCSI onDock 1??? Help please Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:25:30 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <6cq924mip5qb092yn@islandnet.com> References: <6bf0b455.36f545fe@aol.com> <36F55BEF.192C@worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <36F55BEF.192C@worldnet.att.net> Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I had the opposite problem with a 701 and the Dock II : SCSI (which I didn't want to use) interfered with booting of the docked machine, even with the SCSI's BIOS turned off. Another reader of this list suggested that I DL the SCSI driver from somewhere in the vast maw of IBM's web site. I haven't done that yet, the Dock II is in another city ... The IBM website should have an Acrobat file including the docs of the Dock I - that will tell you what the DIP switches are for. Big file, small information. In article <36F55BEF.192C@worldnet.att.net>, you wrote: :I am using a 755C with a DOck 1 :How do I enable SCSI (Win95) :I see tehre are two set os small DIP switches inside, but no combo I :have treid does anything other than bring W95 up in a new config. SCSI :never appears in Device Manager. :What do I need to do to enable the SCSI? DOS drivers? :Anyone remember?? :Thanks! : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 16:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19075 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03445; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:42 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03299; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA28369 for dist-thinkpad; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00764; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([24.113.88.126]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990322203126.FJDA19860.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:31:26 -0800 Message-ID: <36F6A8B1.EE27E4D4@home.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:31:45 -0800 From: Maryka Reply-To: maryka@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad list Subject: battery gauge inaccurate? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have an i1410 running Windoze 98, and I'm having a problem with the battery gauge that sits on the system tray. Often, the gauge will read something like 41%, but when I open up the power management programme, the battery gauge there reads 35%, then the gauge on the system tray will adjust itself accordingly. I've disabled all of IBM's power programme options in the BIOS, and still I'm having trouble getting the gauge to read accurately. As well, the gauge seems to take a long time to go from about 80% to 30%, but after about 30%, it takes no time at all to go down to 1%. I have drained and charged the battery at least a dozen times, so I know that the battery is fine (also, it does last the 3 hours or whatever it's supposed to). So I guess my question is whether this is a Thinkpad problem or a Windows problem. Has anyone else had to deal with this? Maryka From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 16:33:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19434 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05612; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05477; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05454; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09366 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <199903222013.PAA23616@hil-img-10.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:10:41 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW more reliable than removable > >media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables and 1 Zip--currently I > >have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable media to sometimes be > >"iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had some files on them "go > >bad" and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical strikes me as for more secure. > > The big thing is, are the failures detected when the disk is made > or when you want the data back? It sounds like in the case of > CD-R, you know (or can determine) at time of burning. > > Of course this problem has been around as long as diskettes. > Notching the sleeve and using the uncertified back of a 160k disk; > punching a hole in the case and "magically" making a 720k disk into > a 1.44Mb disk. It was okay if they failed on write; disaster if > they failed on read! Another thing to keep in mind is that straight optical is a less reliable medium than magnetic tape or disk, so they've designed a ton of error correction coding into the recording specs (which is why you can scratch up a music CD and it still plays fine). While optical is still more vulnerable to sequential errors (circular scratches, which is why you're supposed to clean CDs from inside out, not in a circular motion), it is much more resistant to random bit errors than magnetic media, which is the kind you get when a backup sits on a shelf for years. > >I'll only say two things. First of all, I hate almost anything that goes > >on a parallel port except for a printer or a Laplink cable. > > To me, a parallel port is for a printer and a serial port is for > communication. I've since discovered first-hand how much faster a > parallel connection is for connecting two machines. :) Bah. If you want to connect two machines, go with ethernet. :-) > >Secondly, there's no question the bandwidth available in SCSI is far > >better than anything going through a parallel port. But for 4X speed CD's, > >that probably doesn't matter much. > > I think 4x CD is something like 600MB/s, which is well below the > parallel port's capability. But if I go SCSI I can move the > Microtek scanner to my machine (from the old desktop) so that's > another bonus. Like I said, you can't just look at the peak transfer rates. If the parallel port can pump out data at 1 MB/sec, and the drive needs to get it at 600 kb/sec to write at 4x, you'd think it'll manage it easy every time. In reality, the throughput at the parallel port (or even SCSI) is going to be close to zero while your computer is busy reading the data off the hard drive. When that is happening, the drive has to rely on data that's been buffered in its memory (which is why a 2MB buffer is better than a 1MB buffer). When the computer has finished reading the data off the hard drive, it sends it to the CD-R, and the faster it can fill that buffer, the lower the chances of you creating a coaster. I don't doubt the parallel CD-R does just fine in typical use. I'd just expect the SCSI to be more reliable in atypical use (like when that damn Office fastfind decides to start up on its own, or your screen saver kicks in, or in the case of laptops some APM BIOS feature is accessed like when you un/plug it from AC). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 17:28:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20103 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10397; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:25:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10202; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10174; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-161.islandnet.com [139.142.112.161] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10PD7l-000WSbC for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:24:45 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: machule@triumf.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DOCK II manual ?? Any spares ? Part number ?? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:03:18 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <01be749e$3862b3c0$03785a8e@pmachule> In-Reply-To: <01be749e$3862b3c0$03785a8e@pmachule> Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: There is both a manual and a user's guide for the Dock II in acrobat format free from IBM's web site. My only reservation would be the waste of paper because of the way they formatted the pages. In article <01be749e$3862b3c0$03785a8e@pmachule>, you wrote: :Does anyone have a Dock II manual in front of them ? :IBM publications can't find the part number (grin). :It on the back cover . : :Or even better if you would have a spare since the price .... :if we ever do find one, is likely to be scary. : :Thank You :..peter.. : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:01:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20977 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15270; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:56:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15108; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15087; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-224.usc.edu [128.125.224.224]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA11788; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990322135237.00b371a0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:54:54 -0800 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903222022.PAA24808@hil-img-10.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:21 PM 3/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >I understand I can move my current 2GB C: to the new drive and my >current 2GB D: to the new drive, all on one 6.4GB C: partition. >Are there problems I'm going to face? Yes. Kinda. If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? Guess what: you're going to have a problem. You can copy that C partition over to the new hard drive, and you can do the same with D--but you'd have C and D on your new hard drive, not one big partition with both drive letters stuffed into it. I'm working with a company right now that hopes to solve that problem and may have a product available for release in May, but we'll see... - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:19:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21160 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16395; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:15:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16283; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16269; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:15:04 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id TAA19009 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:14:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903230014.TAA19009@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:11:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New 6.4GB List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:54:54 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it >end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? > > Guess what: you're going to have a problem. That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying Partition Magic :). That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a choice of location) over to C: after the fact. One thing at a time, though. Thanks for the warning, I'll move c: to C: and d: to D:. ("small c to big c, small d to big d). Or is there a problem doing this too? :) Thanks again! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:34:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21347 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17406; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:31:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17274; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cesare.sugarloaf.net (cesare.sugarloaf.net [204.144.179.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17250; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from urho ([204.144.179.9]) by cesare.sugarloaf.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41095U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA116 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:27:30 -0700 From: "Bill Clark" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:31:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:47:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21513 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18381; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:44:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18267; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18243; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from TEST (dyn-128-74.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.74]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA11405 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:44:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903230044.QAA11405@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:39:42 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199903230014.TAA19009@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: New 6.4GB X-No-Archive: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id TAA18381 On 03/22/99 "Andrew Webber" said: >That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves >applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is >program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a choice o= f >location) over to C: after the fact. My copy of Partition Magic 4 claims to be able to do this with its Magic Mover module. I have never tried this feature, but everything else in the program seems to work as advertised. The book mentions updating links, th= e Windows registry and ini files. It tells you what it will do and gives yo= u a chance to back out if you don't want to proceed. It might be all you need if you are buying PM anyway.=20 Vicky --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA 3=BD weeks to go ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:50:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21555 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18935; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:47:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18851; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18836; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27509; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Andrew Webber cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903230014.TAA19009@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:54:54 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it > >end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? > > > > Guess what: you're going to have a problem. > > That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger > C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying > Partition Magic :). There is a way to merge both partitions or a lot of partitions as one big drive, with a product from Synchronous called BigDisk. > That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves > applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is > program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a > choice of location) over to C: after the fact. > > One thing at a time, though. Thanks for the warning, I'll move c: > to C: and d: to D:. ("small c to big c, small d to big d). Or is > there a problem doing this too? :) You can do that with CleanSweep from Quarterdeck or Symantec now that allows moving from one drive to another and it will fix Windows so it knows where to look. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 19:57:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21639 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19572; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:54:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19443; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19430; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27524; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Vicky Stables cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903230044.QAA11405@baker.cnw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Vicky Stables wrote: > On 03/22/99 "Andrew Webber" said: > > >That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves > >applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is > >program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a choice of > >location) over to C: after the fact. > > My copy of Partition Magic 4 claims to be able to do this with its Magic > Mover module. I have never tried this feature, but everything else in the > program seems to work as advertised. The book mentions updating links, the > Windows registry and ini files. It tells you what it will do and gives you > a chance to back out if you don't want to proceed. It might be all you > need if you are buying PM anyway. Speaking about Partition Magic, is there a big difference between 3 and 4 and can it do what Drive Copy or Drive Image can do? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 20:07:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21748 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20709; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:03:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20548; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20523; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:03:35 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Re: DOCK II manual ?? Any spares ? Part number ?? Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:06:23 -0800 Message-ID: <01be74c9$5e86e5a0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: The manual is here : ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/dockiiug.pdf Couldn't find it last week ....sigh.. -----Original Message----- From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 4:55 PM Subject: DOCK II manual ?? Any spares ? Part number ?? >Does anyone have a Dock II manual in front of them ? >IBM publications can't find the part number (grin). >It on the back cover . > >Or even better if you would have a spare since the price .... >if we ever do find one, is likely to be scary. > >Thank You >..peter.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 20:53:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22240 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23105; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22795; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22757; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-231.usc.edu [128.125.223.231]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA18975; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:46:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990322174325.00a51570@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:46:17 -0800 To: Vincent Poy , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: References: <199903230014.TAA19009@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:47 PM 3/22/99 -0800, you wrote: >> That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger >> C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying >> Partition Magic :). > > There is a way to merge both partitions or a lot of partitions as >one big drive, with a product from Synchronous called BigDisk. That only works for *new* partitions. That is, if I have a "C" drive and add a 2nd hard disk, normally it would have to be "D", but using a product like the above, it could be treated as an extension of "C", making "C" just larger. The problem you have is when you have existing stuff installed on there, the various software has pointers toward directories on a "D" drive and eliminating the "D" drive would have the the same effect as copying all the software to another drive and deleting the original. The registry would "lose" it. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 20:53:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22236 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23107; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22767; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22744; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-231.usc.edu [128.125.223.231]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA18938; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:46:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990322162415.00b3fc90@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:26:36 -0800 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <199903230014.TAA19009@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:11 PM 3/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >> If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it >>end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? >> >> Guess what: you're going to have a problem. > >That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger >C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying >Partition Magic :). > >That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves >applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is >program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a >choice of location) over to C: after the fact. There's a utility that used to be bundled with PM (don't know if it still is) called "AppMover" (I think). The problem with that one was that it worked...not all that well. Plus you'd have to move the apps one at a time *after* you did any partition stuff. Then once you got any or all moved, you could re-size or delete partitions they came from. The company I was talking about was working on a way to do all this in a single set of actions when you copy partitions & etc. But its not available. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 21:16:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22483 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24432; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24273; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24260; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p75 (user-38ldh4k.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.196.148]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11658; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903230206.VAA11658@smtp3.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Thinkpad" , "Victor Kress" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 18:04:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Big Warped Disk List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:50:45 +0000, Victor Kress wrote: >Hi again, > >I purchased the 6.4 gig disk and caddy from Bill Morrow yesterday, and I'm getting set >up to install it. There is mention on Bill's site about a problem with warp on bigger >(>4gig) disks, but the links are broken and Bill doesn't know the details. Is this just a >problem with big partitions, or do I need to patch to use the disk with Warp? Where can >I get the patch? I tried searching the IBM site, but I need more details to do a >reasonable job of it. I think it's just that you need the latest version of IBM1S506.ADD, such as in Fixpack 10 (Warp 4). -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 21:42:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22809 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26343; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26236; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26217; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:38:09 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA12787 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903230237.VAA12787@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:36:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-R/RW List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:19:28 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >I don't doubt the parallel CD-R does just fine in typical use. >I'd just expect the SCSI to be more reliable in atypical use >(like when that damn Office fastfind decides to start up on >its own, or your screen saver kicks in, or in the case of >laptops some APM BIOS feature is accessed like when you >un/plug it from AC). Thanks! Now a TP600 question. Is there such a thing as a Cardbus SCSI card? I have a Cardbus network card in. Can I use a Cardbus SCSI card (if there is one)? Do I want to? Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 22:12:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23120 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27549; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:01:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27422; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27409; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatman (user-38lcpg8.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.102.8]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12953 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:01:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990322220149.007f2310@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lewj@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:01:49 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: Okay... P300MMX vs PII 300 vs Celeron300? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hey folks. I've been here before in the distant past, have had a 755cx, and currently using a doddering 760cd. Too slow for my work (word/excel/other "office" type apps), so it's time to consider a new machine. My main apps are a pair of database type programs, one is a contact management setup, the other a database lookup app. The first one is just painful on the 760cd (localbus P120). I also run Word, Excel, and MS Publisher. I usually have Palm Desktop running minimized. I don't write code, I don't do CAD, and I don't do games on the laptop. Multimedia needs are confined to what I might whip up in PowerPoint (and then it'd be low-key). I am currently looking at either an i-series machine such as the 1451 or a 390E. I will probably add 64MB RAM to whatever I get, giving me between 96 & 128MB. All other issues such as "expandability" and differences I can read from spec sheets, what's the dope on the current crop of processors as they pertain to real-world tasks? I have read that Intel "fixed" the Celeron and the current generation isn't too bad. But I really have no idea how the three chip families compare against eachother. Also, I have no real idea what benefits or detriments there are to the "non-Intel" chipset on the 1451. How would a PII 266 stack up, say on a slightly lower-end 390? Can anyone shed some light on this issue? Thanks! -- Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lewj@mindspring.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 23:31:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24045 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00977; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:28:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00854; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00841; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-197.gate.net [207.36.212.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA17142; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:29:11 -0500 Message-ID: <36F71871.611F0CC7@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:28:33 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: Andrew Webber , TP List Subject: Re: New 6.4GB References: <4.1.19990322135237.00b371a0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: power quest has a utility that purports to move apps from one logical drive to another.. then do the PQ Magic thing.. never tried it myself, though.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 03:21 PM 3/22/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I understand I can move my current 2GB C: to the new drive and my > >current 2GB D: to the new drive, all on one 6.4GB C: partition. > >Are there problems I'm going to face? > > Yes. Kinda. > > If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it > end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? > > Guess what: you're going to have a problem. > > You can copy that C partition over to the new hard drive, and you can do > the same with D--but you'd have C and D on your new hard drive, not one big > partition with both drive letters stuffed into it. > > I'm working with a company right now that hopes to solve that problem and > may have a product available for release in May, but we'll see... > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 22 23:36:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24088 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01415; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:34:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01321; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01299; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-197.gate.net [207.36.212.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA65074; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <36F71993.A0B5871A@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:33:23 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the drive SHOULD just pull out, but look for a screw holding it.. if still uncertain, go to the IBM hardware manual section on their web site.. note: i have never seen a 380/385... Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Are they talking about Crucial which is a part of Micron. > While I have you in this mail Bill, I looked at your page and it said how > to access the HD on the TP385. What do I do after I get the CDROM/Floppy > out of the way since I can see the HD with it's bracket on but I can't get > it to move at all. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips > > then it should be OK.. > > also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is > > cheap.. > > > > what size and how much..?? > > > > Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > > > > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > > > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > > > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 00:23:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24364 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03615; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:19:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03474; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03424; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wabio (user-38ld2oa.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.139.10]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17303 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323001803.00a29860@mail.newsguy.com> X-Sender: wicket@mail.newsguy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:18:05 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alan Wong Subject: 600E For Sale Loaded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM THINKPAD 600E 300 MHz Pentium II, 160 MB Ram, 6.6 GB HD, 13.3" Active Matrix Screen, DVD CD ROM, 56K Modem Built-in, External 3.5" Floppy Drive, 1 USB Port, 2 PCMCIA Slots, Windows '98 Paid $4600 in December. Included with this bundle will be a 3com CardBus 10/100 v.90 combo card and a Hardware DVD card made by Margi Systems. The model is DVD to GO. Asking price is $3400 Thanks, Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 00:24:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24372 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03977; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:20:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03791; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03635; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28700; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:19:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: New 6.4GB In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990322174325.00a51570@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 04:47 PM 3/22/99 -0800, you wrote: > >> That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger > >> C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying > >> Partition Magic :). > > > > There is a way to merge both partitions or a lot of partitions as > >one big drive, with a product from Synchronous called BigDisk. > > That only works for *new* partitions. That is, if I have a "C" drive and > add a 2nd hard disk, normally it would have to be "D", but using a product > like the above, it could be treated as an extension of "C", making "C" just > larger. > > The problem you have is when you have existing stuff installed on there, > the various software has pointers toward directories on a "D" drive and > eliminating the "D" drive would have the the same effect as copying all the > software to another drive and deleting the original. The registry would > "lose" it. Yeah, I know that.... You should have read further in my mail, you can do it fine with Quarterdec's CleanSweep. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 01:52:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24855 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08105; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07950; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (pads1.pa.msu.edu [35.8.48.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07937; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id BAA25652; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: <36F739FD.D0D43690@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:51:41 -0500 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: IR sync PalmIII-560X (WinNT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the replies about switching network setups. I'm now using netswitcher (for $8 it's way better than figuring out registry hacks :-) I'd like to setup hotsyncing of my PalmIII to my 560x which is running NT. I've looked at IScomplete's IRsync software, and IBM has a solution for use with their version of the Pilot. I spent sometime trying to get it to work but wasn't able to. Does somebody have a good reference that lays the setup out in detail? Or would somebody be kind enough to explain how they got it working? Is it possible and advisable to use IBM's Workpad syncronization software on the PalmIII? I guess the needed components are: - Thinkpad IR drivers (?) - COM port settings and IRQs - syncronization software on Thinkpad - IR driver on Palm - syncronization software on Palm I wasn't able to setup a working combination of the above. TIA, Tom rockwell@pa.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 02:23:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25171 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09246; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:19:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09014; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09001; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29494; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: <36F71993.A0B5871A@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > the drive SHOULD just pull out, but look for a screw holding it.. > if still uncertain, go to the IBM hardware manual section on their web site.. > > note: i have never seen a 380/385... Hmmm, all I know is that the drive is surrounded in a metal bracket or frame and there is a screw on the corner that seems to lost the fit for a philips screwdriver. Would the 770x's HD be easy to remove so I can just mount it to the 385 via PCMCIA to copy the contents? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Are they talking about Crucial which is a part of Micron. > > While I have you in this mail Bill, I looked at your page and it said how > > to access the HD on the TP385. What do I do after I get the CDROM/Floppy > > out of the way since I can see the HD with it's bracket on but I can't get > > it to move at all. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > never heard of them.. if they offer lifetime warranties and use new chips > > > then it should be OK.. > > > also beware stacked chips, but that day may be over now that memory is > > > cheap.. > > > > > > what size and how much..?? > > > > > > Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > > > > > > I've been looking around for more memory and Critical Technology seems to > > > > have good prices. Does anyone on the list have any experience with them > > > > good/bad/whatever? Any suggestion for alternative suppliers? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 02:37:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25256 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10031; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:34:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09831; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from uldns2.unil.ch (uldns2.unil.ch [130.223.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09818; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcibcm130b.unil.ch ([130.223.201.96] helo=portable) by uldns2.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10PLhG-0006oS-00; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:33:58 +0100 Reply-To: From: "epralong" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: RE: Mic problem with a TP600 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be74ff$79b5e980$60c9df82@unil.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA10031 Mic problem with TP600 Thanks for the answers, indeed the problem was the type of mic, an amplif= ied one cured the problem Etienne Pralong Etienne Pralong T=E9l: 021 692 5268 (Bureau) IBCM T=E9l: 021 692 5100 (Secr=E9tariat) Rue du Bugnon 9 Fax: 021 692 5105 CH-100 Lausanne email: epralong@pop-server.unil.ch -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman [mailto:dgoldman@best.com] Sent: vendredi, 19. mars 1999 08:15 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mic problem with a TP600 At 10:41 PM 3/18/99 , Etienne Pralong wrote: >Hello, > >I am using a TP600 and have not been able to use an external microphone >with it. Internal mic is OK that said. I tried in various OS from NT 4 >SP4, Win98 and Win95. Any help ? The solution I found for my TP 380Z came from another reader of this group. Here it is for your information: >Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:04:07 -0500 >From: Birger Petterson >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: [TP 380Z] Problem with audio mic jack? References: <4.1.19981107201749.00b2a100@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: fadd3aab67446b25c966febc56c2269f > >David Goldman wrote: >> >> I've got a brand new ThinkPad 380Z (PII-300, 96MB) that I've had for- >> If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), > >You need ThinkPad Adapter Converter or Bias Battery Box. > >Go to www.speechcontrol.com to see photos and read article on mikes. > >Nothing wrong with your ThinkPad. > >Birger -- /=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 03:20:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA25454 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12121; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:16:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11883; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mail.gol.com (smtp01.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11831; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-209.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-209.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.209]) by smtp01.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id RAA27853; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:15:42 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List , discussion@possi.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: PCMCIA network card on a ThinkPad -- THANKS Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:57:50 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <+l092cByzFKP092yn@hticn.com> In-Reply-To: <8vG82cByz1Ca092yn@hticn.com> Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions on what PCMCIA network card to get for connecting a ThinkPad 535E running OS/2 to a Warp Server network. Here's the final tally of the number of recommendations for each card: 3 3COM (3C589D, etc.) 2 Linksys Combo (EC2T, etc.) 1 D-Link Card DFE-650TX 1 SMC EliteCard (8029?) 1 IBM Home & Away adapter 1 Kingston 1 Xircom 3CE-100BTX Some of these cards don't seem to be available in Japan, at least where I'm at. After shopping around I found a Linksys EC2T-JP at a good price. The box didn't mention drivers for OS/2, but the people at the shop selling the card let me fire up Netscape and make sure the drivers were available for downloading, so I went ahead and got it. Then the day after that I snagged a used 3COM 3C589C-Combo with OS/2 drivers on the original floppy for a really great price. Both seem to work just dandy under English OS/2 Warp 4 and Japanese Warp Connect. We plan to use the new card on the TP535E and keep the 3COM card as a spare. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 04:53:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA25892 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15644; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:49:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15447; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (mail1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15434; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id BAA12420; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: CD-R/RW Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:48:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000301be7512$4ac46a80$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199903230237.VAA12787@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:37 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: CD-R/RW > Now a TP600 question. > > Is there such a thing as a Cardbus SCSI card? > > I have a Cardbus network card in. Can I use a Cardbus SCSI card > (if there is one)? Yup, shouldn't be a problem. I had both a Cardbus SCSI card (Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480A) and a 3Com 100BT in at the same time. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1999 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 05:59:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26219 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24700; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:55:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24471; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24458; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 05:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10645 invoked by alias); 23 Mar 1999 10:55:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkPad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 10572 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 1999 10:55:33 -0000 Received: from dialupi224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.89.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 10:55:33 -0000 Message-ID: <36F7737A.B98BE8DF@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 02:56:58 -0800 From: Patrick West X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell , Thinkpads Thinkpad Subject: Re: IR sync PalmIII-560X (WinNT) References: <36F739FD.D0D43690@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Free Downloads for Lotus Organizer Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:22:51 -0800 From: Patrick West To: patrickwest@uswest.net, Steven Stout http://www.lotus.com/products/organizer5.nsf/downloads/798522485E91D9828525669F005028B8 -- to quote: Free Downloads for Lotus Organizer EasySync for Lotus Organizer 5.0 - Synchronization for the PalmPilot, Palm III and IBM WorkPad - Free EasySync for Lotus Organizer 4.1 & 97GS & Lotus Notes - Synchronization for the PalmPilot, Palm III and IBM WorkPad - Free Tom Rockwell wrote: > > Thanks for the replies about switching network setups. I'm now using > netswitcher (for $8 it's way better than figuring out registry hacks :-) > > I'd like to setup hotsyncing of my PalmIII to my 560x which is running > NT. I've looked at IScomplete's IRsync software, and IBM has a solution > for use with their version of the Pilot. I spent sometime trying to get > it to work but wasn't able to. Does somebody have a good reference that > lays the setup out in detail? Or would somebody be kind enough to > explain how they got it working? Is it possible and advisable to use > IBM's Workpad syncronization software on the PalmIII? > > I guess the needed components are: > > - Thinkpad IR drivers (?) > - COM port settings and IRQs > - syncronization software on Thinkpad > - IR driver on Palm > - syncronization software on Palm > > I wasn't able to setup a working combination of the above. > > TIA, > Tom > > rockwell@pa.msu.edu -- Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp 4.0, NTW 4.0, & the HP200LX, PGP 2.x Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 09:59:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28029 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03336; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:54:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03086; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03066; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-161.islandnet.com [139.142.112.161] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10PSZQ-000WSGC for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:54:20 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM Cc: penzance@icanect.net, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 06:50:42 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article , you wrote: :On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: : : Hmmm, all I know is that the drive is surrounded in a metal :bracket or frame and there is a screw on the corner that seems to lost the :fit for a philips screwdriver. You may have the famous TORX screws, which require a TORX (5-pointed star) screwdriver. At least that's what I needed for the 701. Mine says "XTD-6 Xcelite Brand USA" on the handle. I got it from an Electronics supply store. "Size is important". -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 11:22:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28946 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09228; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:17:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09038; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09015; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24508; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:17:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14320; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:13:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Andrew Webber'" Subject: RE: New 6.4GB Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I though Partition Magic came with an utility to move stuff to another drive letter? It looks like it goes through the registry and ini files changing the drive letter. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Andrew Webber [SMTP:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 7:12 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 6.4GB On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:54:54 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > If I read you right, you have a C and a D and you want to have all of it >end up in a single "C" partition on the new drive? > > Guess what: you're going to have a problem. That's what I want to do. So I guess I'll have to live with bigger C: and D: partitions (dynamically changeable since I'm buying Partition Magic :). That said, I _thought_ I'd read about another product that moves applications around. Such that I could move my D: stuff (which is program files, plus data files in cases where they don't give a choice of location) over to C: after the fact. One thing at a time, though. Thanks for the warning, I'll move c: to C: and d: to D:. ("small c to big c, small d to big d). Or is there a problem doing this too? :) Thanks again! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 11:37:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29084 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10047; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:28:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09811; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09671; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23602; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:27:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05712; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:25:51 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Barry Marks'" Subject: RE: CD-R/RW Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:22:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Before you close or "fix" a disk only CD-R or CD-RW drives can read the disk. With all the formats the new CD-ROM drives can read I would not be surprised if the new CD-ROM drives can read unclosed CD-R or CD-RW disks. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU ---------- From: Barry Marks [SMTP:barry@fbtc.net] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 3:30 PM To: Andrew Webber; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R/RW -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 8:05 PM Subject: CD-R/RW >2. I have a monthly project where I get 100-200 MB of new data. I >think I can "append" a new month's data to an existing CD-R each >month, right? Is this is a universal capability? Yes you can but you lose 20 meg each time, I think. This might be a good place for the RW disc. Accumulate on it and then transfer it to a CD-R when it's done. By the way, I think you can avoid losing the 20 meg if you don't close the disc after each accumulation. But I don't think you can read it till you do close it. I haven't done this so I'm not sure. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 12:32:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29734 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13695; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:23:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13451; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13411; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA28425 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:22:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199903231722.JAA28425@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: pcmcia flash disk with linux List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone using a pcmcia flash disk on a thinkpad with linux? I just got a 160 meg Viking type II flash card and want to install Linux on it and use it as the boot/root disk for my 770. But I'm having trouble getting the pcmcia driver to find the card. The driver does find my pc card modem. Any thoughts? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 14:40:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01441 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21864; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:29:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21647; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.sound.net (echo.sound.net [205.242.192.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21570; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:28:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903231928.OAA21570@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 10085 invoked from network); 23 Mar 1999 19:17:55 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080051.kc.sound.net (HELO -) (209.153.80.51) by echo.sound.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 19:17:55 -0000 From: "pickles" To: Subject: IE 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:28:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE7531.058FA5A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7531.058FA5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone noticed that 4.0 downloads pages, jpgs etc.,much slower than 3.0 on a 701C? I just installed it on my month old 701C, and it seems like everything is just crawling. Before, even with the 14.4 modem, it was very acceptable. Guess I'll be looking for a 33.6 card modem now... http://www.corkboard.com has a killer screen saver, but they have problems allowing you to download from the site with 3.0, so I had to upgrade. I have a extra 720 meg drive, clean, no bad sectors with W95 and I'm looking for some extra memory for my 701C anyone got some to trade? Also need a good 701C battery. Thanks Brad ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7531.058FA5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone noticed that 4.0 downloads = pages, jpgs etc.,much slower than 3.0 on a 701C?  I just installed = it on my month old 701C, and it seems like everything is just crawling. =  Before, even with the 14.4 modem, it was very acceptable. =  Guess I'll be looking for a 33.6 card modem = now...

http://www.corkboard.com  has a killer screen saver, = but they have problems allowing you to download from the site with 3.0, = so I had to upgrade.  I have a extra 720 meg drive, clean, no bad = sectors with W95 and I'm looking for some extra memory for my 701C = anyone got some to trade?

Also need a good 701C = battery.

Thanks Brad




------=_NextPart_000_01BE7531.058FA5A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 14:46:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01561 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22400; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:37:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22240; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.sound.net (echo.sound.net [205.242.192.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22215; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903231937.OAA22215@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 13228 invoked from network); 23 Mar 1999 19:26:58 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080051.kc.sound.net (HELO -) (209.153.80.51) by echo.sound.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 19:26:58 -0000 From: "pickles" To: Subject: ooops! Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:37:24 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE7532.48AF1180" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7532.48AF1180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That screensaver is actually at: http://www.mycorkboard.com sorry if you clicked there... ------=_NextPart_000_01BE7532.48AF1180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That screensaver is actually = at:

http://www.mycorkboard.com

sorry if you clicked = there...

------=_NextPart_000_01BE7532.48AF1180-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 15:05:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01823 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23947; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:54:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23624; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww185.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.85]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23563; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26213 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 1999 19:54:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990323195431.26212.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.85 by ww185 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.20) on Tue Mar 23 19:54:31 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Mar 99 13:54:31 CST From: Rob Bell To: pickles , Subject: Re: [IE 4.0] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: If it isn't feasible to go back to 3.02, then give IE 5.0 a try. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 15:51:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02459 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27443; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:35:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27239; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27140; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03574; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jonathan Berry cc: penzance@icanect.net, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Jonathan Berry wrote: > In article , you wrote: > :On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > : > : Hmmm, all I know is that the drive is surrounded in a metal > :bracket or frame and there is a screw on the corner that seems to lost the > :fit for a philips screwdriver. > > You may have the famous TORX screws, which require a TORX > (5-pointed star) screwdriver. At least that's what I needed > for the 701. Mine says "XTD-6 Xcelite Brand USA" on the > handle. I got it from an Electronics supply store. > "Size is important". Nope, it is not a torx... I know what a torx looks like but this is a philips cross and I tried it but the screw was so tight that the screwdriver messed the head more. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 16:29:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03054 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01301; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00991; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00976; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-211.usc.edu [128.125.224.211]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA27730; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323130629.00a60cc0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:10:31 -0800 To: "pickles" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IE 4.0 In-Reply-To: <199903231928.OAA21570@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:28 PM 3/23/99 -0800, you wrote: > > Has anyone noticed that 4.0 downloads pages, jpgs etc.,much slower than 3.0 > on a 701C? I Actually, up until very recently, I refused to upgrade my browser (Netscape Navigator) past v. 3.0. Reason? These darn browsers were just getting too big, bulky, and slow. Yuck. So I stuck with what I knew worked and worked just fine--for something on the order of 2 or 3 years (maybe more?). I tried IE 4.0 because it came with my TP 600, but didn't like it--stupid things like "Channels" and whatnot. And I liked the way Netscape organized bookmarks better (to some extent, I still do). But recently with the release of IE 5.0, I've finally upgraded and changed over. Main reason? Doesn't look like Netscape is doing anything to make their browser better--just bulkier and slower. Meanwhile, IE 5.0 streamlined things a bit, works considerably faster and downloading pages than Navigator 3.0, and got rid of the stupid stuff. I've converted and upgraded. Never expected to cross over to the dark side with IE, but I have to admit--its very good. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 20:08:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05801 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13180; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:05:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12948; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12924; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-224.islandnet.com [139.142.112.224] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10Pc6C-000WS6C for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: pickles@sound.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IE 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:46:54 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <+XD+24mipZ9U092yn@islandnet.com> References: <199903231928.OAA21570@CS.UTK.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199903231928.OAA21570@CS.UTK.EDU> Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Yesterday. Not Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0, but Netscape Navigator 4.08. Yes. Slow as molasses. I removed Netscape 4.08 from the 701 and installed Netscape 3.04 (the last {available} build of Netscape 3). It runs just fine. You can now pick up old builds from the Netscape site. If you don't want to thread the eye of the needle: http://home.netscape.com/browsers/previous.html I've read on dejanews that: 3.04 is a good build of Netscape 3. IE 5 is better than IE 4 (with just a couple of caveats) without being bloatier. In article <199903231928.OAA21570@CS.UTK.EDU>, you wrote: :Has anyone noticed that 4.0 downloads pages, jpgs etc.,much slower than 3.0 :on a 701C? I just installed it on my month old 701C, and it seems like :everything is just crawling. Before, even with the 14.4 modem, it was very :acceptable. Guess I'll be looking for a 33.6 card modem now... : :http://www.corkboard.com has a killer screen saver, whatever turns your crank. :but they have problems :allowing you to download from the site with 3.0, so I had to upgrade. You're sure you have your priorities straight? :I :have a extra 720 meg drive, clean, no bad sectors with W95 and I'm looking :for some extra memory for my 701C anyone got some to trade? : :Also need a good 701C battery. : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 23:14:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08472 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19687; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:10:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19464; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19440; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic92.fbtc.net [204.2.11.92]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21039; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:10:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:06:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >> For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW more reliable than removable >>media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables and 1 Zip--currently I >>have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable media to sometimes be >>"iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had some files on them "go >>bad" and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical strikes me as for more secure. >my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow I bought a real early Zip drive. I was at the counter at Computer City when they recieved a UPS shimpment and opened the box. No-one in the store had ever heard of the. They were ordered by their corporate office. I bought one. I have over 100 Zip disks. 10 were bought the day after I got the drive. Most of the rest were bought over the next year. I have some that were built on that second day and a lot that I've used over and over. I access them regularly. I've never had the slightest trace of a problem with them. A number of people I know bought Zip drives also. I don't know of anyone who's had a problem with them. About 12 years ago I bought 6 of the 44 meg removable drives from Iomega for my company. I also bought each of us 2 dozen cartridges. All but 1 of the drives and cartridges are still in use. The cartridge I spilled hot coffee on was a gonner. This happened when it was in the machine (they used to stick out) and was running. The drive was fine but the disk was dead. Except for that one incident, those disks were perfectly reliable. Nothing was ever lost that I heard about and, until I left last year, I was the one who would have been told. I think this is an extremely reliable media. Iomega claims the disks can withstand a 100 G shock. (Or was it 1000 G's?). Recordable CD's were tried and rejected by the Smithsonian as being unreliable in the long term. Their tests led them to believe they would deteriorate much faster than regular CD's. All in all, for reliability I think Zip is the way to go. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 23 23:53:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09105 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21037; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:45:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20836; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20815; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-017.usc.edu [128.125.223.17]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA06052 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:45:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323203634.00b46bf0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:45:22 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:06 PM 3/23/99 -0600, you wrote: >>> For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW >more reliable than removable >>>media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables >and 1 Zip--currently I >>>have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable >media to sometimes be >>>"iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had >some files on them "go >>>bad" and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical >strikes me as for more secure. >I have over 100 Zip disks. 10 were bought the day >I've never had the slightest trace of a problem >with them. >I think this is an extremely reliable media. >Iomega claims the disks can withstand a 100 G >shock. (Or was it 1000 G's?). > >Recordable CD's were tried and rejected by the >Smithsonian as being unreliable in the long term. >Their tests led them to believe they would >deteriorate much faster than regular CD's. > >All in all, for reliability I think Zip is the way >to go. I understand you have had great luck with Zip, and I tend to concur with you--I've never had a problem with a zip disk either, but I still wouldn't consider it a long-term storage media. Smithsonian didn't even test the Zip for long-term reliability, did they! The reason? They didn't have to--they already knew in advance that zips (or any other magnetic media) wouldn't make the grade. Magnetic media is by definition more fragile--period, end of story. It deteriorates over time. The answer they were looking for is whether this recordable type of optical would also (and if so, over what time period). When the Smithsonian said recordable CD's weren't their thing, they were looking for a storage solution that would last for hundreds of years. Magnetic media can be expected to last reliably 5 to 10 years, tops. You'll be incredibly lucky if anything can read it in 15 to 20. Recordable CD's are estimated to last anywhere from 30 years to 100--perhaps even 200 by some manufacturer models. Even if its "only" 30 years, that beats magnetic media all to hell. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 00:30:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09493 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22708; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:27:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22388; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22371; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA20567 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:27:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R/RW In-Reply-To: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Barry Marks wrote: > > I have over 100 Zip disks. 10 were bought the day > after I got the drive. Most of the rest were > > I've never had the slightest trace of a problem > with them. I had a Zip drive. Bought 5 disks, used 2. One developed a chronically bad sector, taking some of my data with it. I did not abuse the disks - they sat on a shelf for a couple months. I had used Zip disks reliably before in school, which was I bought the drive. > Recordable CD's were tried and rejected by the > Smithsonian as being unreliable in the long term. > Their tests led them to believe they would > deteriorate much faster than regular CD's. That's a good point. CD-Rs are different from normal CDs. Because you can write to them, their recording surface is vulnerable to heat and light. There are a couple stories of folks whose audio CD-Rs went bad after several hundred hours of playtime in very hot CD players. Also, a normal CD has the reflective layer encased in plastic on both sides. CD-R only has the plastic on the bottom side. If you scratch the top, you can scratch the recording surface off. That's why they recommend you put a label on it, and never remove the label. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 06:15:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA11709 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12841; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:12:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12664; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (pike.sover.net [209.198.87.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12651; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a9.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.9]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19780 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:12:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903241112.GAA19780@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a9.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.9] 209.198.80.9 Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:12:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:06:24 -0500 To: In-Reply-To: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> Subject: Re: CD-R/RW X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >I bought a real early Zip drive. I was at the >counter at Computer City when they recieved a UPS >shimpment and opened the box. No-one in the store >had ever heard of the. They were ordered by their >corporate office. I bought one .... >I've never had the slightest trace of a problem >with them. Nor have I with my zip drive that was one of the first to be produced. However, there are serious quality problems with later drives -- and tons of information about failures. In your case the timing was good. Others have not had the same good service. Although, they have had better drivers then early zip user's, which were capable of scrambling the zip FAT table and destroying data when they were used as a large floppy disk -- and if you used a utility like Norton DD you not only lost the data, but no one, including Iomega could ever recover it. >All in all, for reliability I think Zip is the way >to go. If you need to transfer small amounts of information they are fine. If you need long-term storage, zip disks come at a much larger price for the same storage capacity of CD-R. If you need to store a few hundred MB's of data, zip disks can be cheaper choice -- until you lose data. And when the price is compared to the cost of hard drives now, Zip drives are about the most expensive storage medium one can find. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 08:51:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12960 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18708; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:48:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18482; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay12.jaring.my (relay12.jaring.my [192.228.128.123]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18465; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardthinkpad (j23.bkr33.jaring.my [161.142.103.97]) by relay12.jaring.my (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00493 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:47:41 +0800 (MYT) From: "ZhaoYun" To: Subject: RE: [IE 4.0] Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:48:26 +0800 Message-ID: <000401be75fc$fe18d040$fd3d188b@richardthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990323195431.26212.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, fast in loading web pages, but not itself..the loading time of IE 5 sucks ! > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 3:55 AM > To: pickles; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: [IE 4.0] > > > If it isn't feasible to go back to 3.02, then give IE 5.0 a try. > Microsoft > claims that one of the main improvements over 4.0x that 5.0 has > is in speed of > loading web pages. > > You can find out more at http://www.microsoft.com/ie > > HTH, > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 11:22:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14598 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28120; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:09:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27922; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (ww183.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.83]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27908; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20521 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 1999 16:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990324160905.20520.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Wed Mar 24 16:09:05 GMT 1999 Date: 24 Mar 99 10:09:05 CST From: Rob Bell To: ZhaoYun , Subject: Re: [IE 4.0] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: "ZhaoYun" wrote: > Yes, fast in loading web pages, but not itself..the loading time of IE = 5 > sucks ! I can't really tell a difference between how long IE4.01 and IE5.0 take t= o load. They seem to be pretty close. Of course, I can't test IE4 anymore= =2E = IE5 is certainly no slouch for me. Actual numbers from my 770 (P233MMX, 128MB, NT4) for Netscape and IE5: Netscape 4.5 12 sec. IE 5.0 6 sec. Your mileage may vary. I'm sure RAM (or lack of) could play a big part, = but it should affect IE4 and IE5 equally. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 12:43:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15617 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04191; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:30:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03979; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.qualitysemi.com (gw.qualitysemi.com [206.86.28.194]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03878; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.qualitysemi.com ([206.86.28.11]) by gw.qualitysemi.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05264 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ems.qualitysemi.com (ems.qualitysemi.com [10.1.85.5]) by mailhost.qualitysemi.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA25784 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ems.qualitysemi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rich Nedinsky To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 700C Service Literature for sales Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:30:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I have posted a number of 700C and 3550 service manual on e-bay for sale if you are interested 700C Quick Reference Guide http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82029075 700C Hardware Maintenance Manual http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82038555 700C Hardware Maintenance Reference http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82045764 700C Hardware Maintenance Service http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82341971 3550 Hardware Maintenance Service http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82346065 3550 Hardware Maintenance Reference http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82351949 I have also listed one of the original color 700C/720C Sales Brochures http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81937114 Rich Nedinsky From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 13:01:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15907 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06440; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:59:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06299; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (w-sun.brightware.com [206.156.118.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06256; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15579; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701be761f$cdee68d0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Rich Nedinsky" , References: Subject: Re: 700C Service Literature for sales Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:57:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The amazing thing to me here is that some of these items have bids! Rich, How much is a cup of coffee at your house? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Nedinsky To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:30 AM Subject: 700C Service Literature for sales > I have posted a number of 700C and 3550 service manual on e-bay for sale > if you are interested > > > 700C Quick Reference Guide > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82029075 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Manual > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82038555 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Reference > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82045764 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Service > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82341971 > > 3550 Hardware Maintenance Service > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82346065 > > 3550 Hardware Maintenance Reference > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82351949 > > > I have also listed one of the original color 700C/720C Sales Brochures > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81937114 > > Rich Nedinsky From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 13:52:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16631 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10193; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:49:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10038; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09997; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA16476 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:48:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA17910 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:48:19 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903241848.TAA17910@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: TP 701C: New disk --- thanks To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:48:19 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, thanks to all who helped me put a new disk into my 701C. I thought I would just post a small summary: * A TORX 6 screwdriver is needed to remove the old disk from the plastic-frame. * The new disk had the holes in other places, but apart from that I could use the old frame just fine. The disk is jumpered separately (or, in the case of the new one, not jumpered at all), so no problem here either. * To transfer the data from one disk onto the next I used a desktop + 2.5" to ide-adapter (approx US$ 10 here in Germany) and powerquest's drive image which, in my opinion, stinks! The main problem can be summarised as: If it's not a drive visible from DOS, it's not supported --- no NFS, no NTFS, no nothing. Also it changed all references to "C:" into "D:" --- and even some things that weren't references. And as I'm using Linux, my impression of Partition Magic isn't much more favourable. Mind you, this is version 3.0. I would have liked to try 4.0, but powerquest doesn't seem to be in a hurry to send the promised free upgrade... Anyway, it's now all up and running again, so thanks to everybody who helped. Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 14:02:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16765 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10712; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:54:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10598; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10572; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA16616 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:54:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA17919 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:54:16 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903241854.TAA17919@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: TP 701C: Dead battery --- continued To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:54:16 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, a few weeks ago I posted several questions to the group concerning my TP 701C and its battery, which could be summarised as: a) The TP tells me the battery is broken (not empty, broken!). b) I know the battery is just fine. c) The TP will use energy from the battery to beep at me (knack-beep-beep-beep) to tell me it doesn't have a working battery. The new thing is: Once I have switched on the laptop using AC, I can then run it on battery just fine. It will still tell me the battery is broken (and completely empty too), but it will nonetheless run... Anyone got an idea? Thanks Sven PS: yes, I've tried resetbat.exe PPS: I actually purchased a TORX 1 from IBM, so I could open it and have a look at its guts --- if I'll ever have the guts to do so... -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 14:13:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16956 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11691; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:05:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11587; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11573; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA16792; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:05:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA17979; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:05:06 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903241905.UAA17979@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: pcmcia flash disk with linux In-Reply-To: <199903231722.JAA28425@netcom9.netcom.com> from Paul Rubin at "Mar 23, 99 09:22:48 am" To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:05:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Paul, > Is anyone using a pcmcia flash disk on a thinkpad with linux? Nope, but... > I just got a 160 meg Viking type II flash card and want to install > Linux on it and use it as the boot/root disk for my 770. I don't know the 770, but I don't think this is possible because... > But I'm > having trouble getting the pcmcia driver to find the card. The > driver does find my pc card modem. Any thoughts? Unless your 770's BIOS knows how to boot from PCMCIA your out of luck. Of course you could still boot Linux from floppy (sloooooowww) or HDD and make the flash you're root, but this would probably require a custom-kernel with the appropriate support. Hope this helps Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 14:34:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17273 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13495; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:27:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13376; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (pads1.pa.msu.edu [35.8.48.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13355; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id OAA19982; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36F93D44.722AB405@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:30:12 -0500 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: re: IE 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle wrote: > Actually, up until very recently, I refused to upgrade my browser >(Netscape Navigator) past v. 3.0. Reason? These darn browsers were >just getting too big, bulky, and slow. Yuck. So I stuck with what I >knew worked and worked just fine--for something on the order of 2 or 3 >years (maybe more?). I tried IE 4.0 because it came with my TP 600, >but didn't like it--stupid things like "Channels" and whatnot. And I >liked the way Netscape organized bookmarks better (to some extent, I >still do). >But recently with the release of IE 5.0, I've finally upgraded and >changed over. Main reason? Doesn't look like Netscape is doing >anything to make their browser better--just bulkier and slower. >Meanwhile, IE 5.0 streamlined things a bit, works considerably faster >and downloading pages than Navigator 3.0, and got rid of the stupid >stuff. I've converted and upgraded. Never expected to cross over to >the dark side with IE, but I have to admit--its very good. >- Randy Whittle You crossed over to soon :-) I was surprised to see MS's hype about IE5 being a slimmer and more flexible browser. Worthy goals, but it really ssems to be just marketing hype. IE5 is basically the same size as IE4 and the added flexibility is simply that MS is going to allow other companies to customize the browser some - I don't think it really means that the end user will be able to customize the browser. The future of browsers is being created at mozilla.org and will be the heart of Navigator 5. Mozilla's browser is still in the alpha stage but it already said to be more capable than Navigator 4.5 and IE5 as far as support for XML and such. It is also amazingly compact (about one tenth the size of IE5 or Navigator 4.5) and super fast. Although Microsoft has been able to closely match Netscapes browers in the past, it looks like Navigator 5 will be far ahead of IE5. -Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 14:53:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17545 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15193; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:47:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15065; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15034; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA17324 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:46:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(209.211.122.2) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017194; Wed Mar 24 13:45:51 1999 Message-ID: <36F941BE.3968@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:49:19 -0500 From: Mike Prunty X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anybody know why IBM hasn't shipped 366mhz 600e yet??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've had one on order since the anouncement in Jan and was told that they would be available in early March, if not late Feb. So, here we are the end of Mar and no laptops. Could they be having manufacturing issues, heat issues, who know? IBM can't tell me anything. The reps database has no ship date info. -mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 15:43:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18331 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29087; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:30:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28582; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28534; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA18925; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:29:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA18135; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:54 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903242028.VAA18135@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: from Jonathan Berry at "Mar 23, 99 06:50:42 am" To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: vince@mail.mcestate.com, penzance@icanect.net, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Jonathan, > : Hmmm, all I know is that the drive is surrounded in a metal > :bracket or frame and there is a screw on the corner that seems to lost the > :fit for a philips screwdriver. > > You may have the famous TORX screws, which require a TORX > (5-pointed star) screwdriver. Just for the record: It's a 6-pointed star --- yes, I'm looking at one right now. > At least that's what I needed > for the 701. Mine says "XTD-6 Xcelite Brand USA" on the > handle. I got it from an Electronics supply store. > "Size is important". For the 701 you need size 6 in nearly all places, plus size 1 for the 4 tiny screws that (I think) hold the keyboard in place. Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 15:51:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18422 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00935; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:43:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00801; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00780; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-075-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.155]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13140 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:43:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36F94E41.C4A6BFE9@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:42:41 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Zip vs CD-RW References: <199903241112.GAA19780@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I own four zip drives and have had good luck with the drives, except for one warning from Iomega that one had a bad transformer that could cause fires. But I have had two 100 MB zip drives out of 32 that have gone totally dead... useless... cannot be reformatted... cannot retrieve the data... For a disk that sells from $10.95 to $24.95 depending upon where you buy it, that is a very high failure rate... I bought those in 10 disk pkgs >from three different on-line sources... but a local dealer told me he gets dead drives all the time. Problem is, I have seen approximately 3 percent failure or bad data rates on my CD-R disks and I buy quality CD's... that was 12 bad CD-R's out of 400 purchased... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 15:58:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18511 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00268; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:39:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29915; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29740; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11458; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Sven Utcke cc: Jonathan Berry , penzance@icanect.net, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: <199903242028.VAA18135@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Sven Utcke wrote: Hello Sven, > > : Hmmm, all I know is that the drive is surrounded in a metal > > :bracket or frame and there is a screw on the corner that seems to lost the > > :fit for a philips screwdriver. > > > > You may have the famous TORX screws, which require a TORX > > (5-pointed star) screwdriver. > > Just for the record: It's a 6-pointed star --- yes, I'm looking at > one right now. > > > At least that's what I needed > > for the 701. Mine says "XTD-6 Xcelite Brand USA" on the > > handle. I got it from an Electronics supply store. > > "Size is important". > > For the 701 you need size 6 in nearly all places, plus size 1 for the > 4 tiny screws that (I think) hold the keyboard in place. My 385ED is Philips since I looked at the screw except it was too tight for the screwdriver so I destroyed the head. Is there any other way to remove the screw? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 16:17:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18742 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03897; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:11:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03487; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (IDENT:root@kramer.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.125.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03327; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (bela.pegasystems.com [207.121.196.65]) by kramer.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08904 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <36F95502.1659D011@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:11:30 -0500 From: David Kramer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Zip vs CD-RW References: <199903241112.GAA19780@pike.sover.net> <36F94E41.C4A6BFE9@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay wrote: > But I have had two 100 MB zip drives out of 32 > that have gone totally dead... useless... cannot > be reformatted... cannot retrieve the data... > > For a disk that sells from $10.95 to $24.95 depending > upon where you buy it, that is a very high > failure rate... I bought those in 10 disk pkgs > from three different on-line sources... but a local > dealer told me he gets dead drives all the time. > > Problem is, I have seen approximately 3 percent > failure or bad data rates on my CD-R disks and > I buy quality CD's... that was 12 bad CD-R's out > of 400 purchased... A big difference in my eyes is that once the data has been written successfully, a CDR is less likely to go bad at some time in the future than a zip disk, barring serious physical abuse. A zip disk in its case can get corrupted from temperature extremes, magnetism (including your monitor, TV, etc), dust, or a hard jolt. A cd in its case could get damaged from too much UV maybe, but it can handle greater temperature exremes, much more jarring, infinite magnetism, more dust, etc. If you're just looking at cost of media, continuing your 6.25% vs 3% failure rate, to store an arbitrary amount of data, say 1GB, 10GB = 100 zip disk. 7 of them will be bad. That's 17.95 (the average price) * 7 = $125 in bad media. 10GB = 16 CD's. One of them will be bad. That's 2.50 (a conservative price) * 1 = $2.50 in bad media. Of course, you do lose more data with each bad cdr, but again, that's more likely to happen when you first burn it, and you can test it then burn another while you still have the data. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 16:19:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18767 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03087; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:07:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02945; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:root@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02911; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25833 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:21:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:21:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [IE 4.0] In-Reply-To: <19990324160905.20520.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On 24 Mar 1999, Rob Bell wrote: > > Actual numbers from my 770 (P233MMX, 128MB, NT4) for Netscape and IE5: > Netscape 4.5 12 sec. > IE 5.0 6 sec. I know the above numbers are all that really matter in daily use, but given that Microsoft has been integrating a lot IE code into the Win98 and NT (i.e. its startup time is split between boot time and starting IE), I wouldn't use the above times as a good measure of the tightness of the code in either app. Besides, all those damn ad sites make the speed of the browser mostly moot. I don't have anything against advertising, but I had to start browsing through an ad-blocking proxy simply because 90% of my wait time over a cable modem was for slow ad sites. That's made a bigger speed difference to me than Netscape 4.5->3.0. Advertisers need to realize that web surfers unhappy waiting for an ad = negative marketing impact. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 16:20:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18788 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04196; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:12:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03711; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03559; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.216.193]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990324211053.CINB26940@oemcomputer>; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:10:53 +0000 Message-ID: <36F954BD.FA7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:10:21 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Prunty CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anybody know why IBM hasn't shipped 366mhz 600e yet??? References: <36F941BE.3968@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Have faith. I got mine 770Z 8AU last week. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 16:21:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18801 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03709; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:10:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03356; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03290; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-083.usc.edu [128.125.224.83]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA10330 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:09:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990324130930.00bc4ac0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:09:34 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Zip vs CD-RW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:42 PM 3/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >Problem is, I have seen approximately 3 percent >failure or bad data rates on my CD-R disks and >I buy quality CD's... that was 12 bad CD-R's out >of 400 purchased... Do you find that out when you first burn the CD, or too-late after-the-fact? After-the-fact is bad, but up front, its not too big of a deal. 12 bad CD-R's is about $12 down the tubes. 1 bad Zip disk loses you the same. The question is now vs. later. If it fails when I *write* to it, at least I know it and can write to another one. If I don't find out about it until later, I likely won't have that luxury--I'm depending on that disc for storage. But I guess that's why, when I write a CD for archiving purposes, I typically make 2 copies on the chance that if one is (or goes) bad, then I have another one as backup. At $1 each, the only issue is time. Meanwhile, I wouldn't want to make 2 Zips of everything--$20 every time I archive something vs. $2? No thanks. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 18:12:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20482 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12210; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:08:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12071; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12049; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 139-142-112-182.islandnet.com [139.142.112.182] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10PwlO-000WSXC for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: sven.utcke@gmx.de Cc: vince@mail.mcestate.com, penzance@icanect.net, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:58:17 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199903242028.VAA18135@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> In-Reply-To: <199903242028.VAA18135@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: :> :> You may have the famous TORX screws, which require a TORX :> (5-pointed star) screwdriver. : :Just for the record: It's a 6-pointed star --- yes, I'm looking at :one right now. Oops! I was 20% off :-) Thank you for clarifying. :For the 701 you need size 6 in nearly all places, plus size 1 for the :4 tiny screws that (I think) hold the keyboard in place. : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 18:19:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20578 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04407; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:13:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04001; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03871; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-075-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.155]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14292; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:12:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36F9551B.19D332FA@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:11:55 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: IE 4.0 References: <36F93D44.722AB405@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This simply isn't true... the full navagator will not be one tenth the size... this is just another legend... Lets see what they can do in final production when they have to honor all the stuff they have been saying... Netscape has become as full of fluff as Microsoft and a lot more unreliable. And AOL/Netscape has held up development and release because of possible "originality problems" with mozilla... they cannot assure all code is original and not contaminated... As an ISP owner which distributes many copies of explorer or navagator at the customer's choice, we can say the new IE-5 is much faster, and so far more stable and reliable than Navagator 4.51... and the betas flying around... They have added so many advertising gimmicks and messenger services that it looks like it will be slower. And we don't like to use microsoft... Although it costs, we are leaning more and more to Opera because it is clean and easy. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 20:09:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22154 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17084; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:03:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16969; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16954; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wald2 (user-2ivea2p.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.89]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03117 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:02:45 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: 700C Service Literature for sales Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be765b$6ffbd870$5928f7a5@wald2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <000701be761f$cdee68d0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: So does this mean that my 700C and 3550, plus the original manuals is worth something? -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:detayls@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 12:58 PM To: Rich Nedinsky; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 700C Service Literature for sales The amazing thing to me here is that some of these items have bids! Rich, How much is a cup of coffee at your house? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Nedinsky To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:30 AM Subject: 700C Service Literature for sales > I have posted a number of 700C and 3550 service manual on e-bay for sale > if you are interested > > > 700C Quick Reference Guide > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82029075 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Manual > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82038555 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Reference > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82045764 > > 700C Hardware Maintenance Service > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82341971 > > 3550 Hardware Maintenance Service > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82346065 > > 3550 Hardware Maintenance Reference > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82351949 > > > I have also listed one of the original color 700C/720C Sales Brochures > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81937114 > > Rich Nedinsky From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 21:07:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22825 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20264; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:05:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20109; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (gatem02.netusa1.net [205.139.170.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19978; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (indy56ki-140.netusa1.net [206.150.220.140]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29882 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:03:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990324210636.0082fdb0@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:06:36 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Roger Grady Subject: Re: Critical Technology Memory In-Reply-To: References: <199903242028.VAA18135@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:35 PM 3/24/99 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > > My 385ED is Philips since I looked at the screw except it was too >tight for the screwdriver so I destroyed the head. Is there any other way >to remove the screw? You might try to find a tube of stuff called Screw Grab. It's a thick liquid with fine grit of some kind in it - it really enhances the grip on a messed up screw head. Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 21:11:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22859 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20663; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:09:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20542; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20528; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:09:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a182.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.182]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13181; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:08:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903250208.VAA13181@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a182.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.182] 209.198.80.182 Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:08:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:32:52 -0500 To: Mike Prunty , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <36F941BE.3968@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Anybody know why IBM hasn't shipped 366mhz 600e yet??? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: They shipped a few to PC Connection back around the 14th. The sold out in a few days. The pricing is also interesting. They are about $3800 when not in stock, then $200 more when they have them. >I've had one on order since the anouncement in Jan and was told that they >would be available in early March, if not late Feb. So, here we are the >end of Mar and no laptops. Could they be having manufacturing issues, >heat issues, who know? IBM can't tell me anything. The reps database >has no ship date info. >-mike _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 23:56:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24756 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27081; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:52:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26795; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26765; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic79.fbtc.net [204.2.11.79]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19094; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:52:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006c01be767a$ae374ce0$4f0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:48:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I got that information about the Smithsonian from an Old Time Radio list I used to follow. Most of the guys on there are old sound engineers. One of them was involved with the Smithsonian. He didn't mention Zip so you may be right that they didn't test them. But what they settled on was VCR, which is magnetic, for most things and audio cassettes for old radio shows. They had been using reel to reel tape but as of last year that's no longer manufactured. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: TP List Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 10:45 PM Subject: Re: CD-R/RW >At 10:06 PM 3/23/99 -0600, you wrote: >>>> For what its worth, I consider CD-R & CD-RW >>more reliable than removable >>>>media (I've owned 3 different SyQuest removables >>and 1 Zip--currently I >>>>have the Zip and a SyJet). I've found removable >>media to sometimes be >>>>"iffy" when you go to use it later on. I've had >>some files on them "go >>>>bad" and that rather upsets me. :-) Optical >>strikes me as for more secure. > >>I have over 100 Zip disks. 10 were bought the day > >>I've never had the slightest trace of a problem >>with them. > >>I think this is an extremely reliable media. >>Iomega claims the disks can withstand a 100 G >>shock. (Or was it 1000 G's?). >> >>Recordable CD's were tried and rejected by the >>Smithsonian as being unreliable in the long term. >>Their tests led them to believe they would >>deteriorate much faster than regular CD's. >> >>All in all, for reliability I think Zip is the way >>to go. > > I understand you have had great luck with Zip, and I tend to concur with >you--I've never had a problem with a zip disk either, but I still wouldn't >consider it a long-term storage media. > > Smithsonian didn't even test the Zip for long-term reliability, did they! >The reason? They didn't have to--they already knew in advance that zips >(or any other magnetic media) wouldn't make the grade. Magnetic media is >by definition more fragile--period, end of story. It deteriorates over >time. The answer they were looking for is whether this recordable type of >optical would also (and if so, over what time period). > > When the Smithsonian said recordable CD's weren't their thing, they were >looking for a storage solution that would last for hundreds of years. >Magnetic media can be expected to last reliably 5 to 10 years, tops. >You'll be incredibly lucky if anything can read it in 15 to 20. Recordable >CD's are estimated to last anywhere from 30 years to 100--perhaps even 200 >by some manufacturer models. Even if its "only" 30 years, that beats >magnetic media all to hell. > >- Randy Whittle > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 23:59:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24804 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27334; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:55:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27059; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27040; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic79.fbtc.net [204.2.11.79]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19737; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:55:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007301be767b$2dc20ea0$4f0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: , Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:51:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: letoured@sover.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 5:06 AM Subject: Re: CD-R/RW >If you need to transfer small amounts of information they are fine. If you >need long-term storage, zip disks come at a much larger price for the same >storage capacity of CD-R. If you need to store a few hundred MB's of >data, zip disks can be cheaper choice -- until you lose data. And when the >price is compared to the cost of hard drives now, Zip drives are about the >most expensive storage medium one can find. I sure agree that the Zips are now too small. 100 meg is no longer enough to use for backups, although I used mine for multi-disk backups for a long time. Now, I might as well use floppies. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 00:53:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25336 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29916; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:50:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29725; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29707; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id VAA16194 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990324214821.00c1a220@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:50:08 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: CD-R/RW vs Zip drives In-Reply-To: <007301be767b$2dc20ea0$4f0b02cc@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:51 PM 3/24/99 , Barry Marks wrote: > >I sure agree that the Zips are now too small. 100 >meg is no longer enough to use for backups, >although I used mine for multi-disk backups for a >long time. Now, I might as well use floppies. You should be aware that Zip drives are now available in both 100MB and 250MB versions. The 250MB can read/write both 250MB and 100MB disks. The 100MB version can only access 100MB disks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 06:36:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA27405 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18506; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:33:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18377; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18363; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18F4@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: raybay@cia-g.com, rockwell@pa.msu.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IE 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bay [SMTP:raybay@cia-g.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 4:12 PM > To: Tom Rockwell > Cc: thinkpad > Subject: Re: IE 4.0 > [Huber, Robert] ...snip > And we don't like to use microsoft... > > Although it costs, we are leaning more and more to > Opera because it is clean and easy. [Huber, Robert] Who/what/where/when/why is Opera? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 08:13:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27847 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22097; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:10:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21855; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21841; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id FAA06064 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:08:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990325050631.00bad8c0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:08:30 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: RE: IE 4.0 vs Opera In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F18F4@wjbs0003xch.fl.well springres.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:30 AM 3/25/99 , Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Bay [SMTP:raybay@cia-g.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 4:12 PM >> To: Tom Rockwell >> Cc: thinkpad >> Subject: Re: IE 4.0 >> > [Huber, Robert] ...snip >> And we don't like to use microsoft... >> >> Although it costs, we are leaning more and more to >> Opera because it is clean and easy. > [Huber, Robert] Who/what/where/when/why is Opera? Opera is a small, fast web browser for Windows. It is so small that it can fit entirely on a single floppy disk. For details and/or a free 30 day trial version, see: http://www.operasoftware.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 08:24:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27915 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22976; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:21:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22804; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22743; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oNHGa01939 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:20:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3dc25023.36fa3814@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:20:20 EST To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Mouse Problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 List-Unsubscribe: The PS/2 mouse on my TP770 has become irratic. Left & Right clicking is OK -- it's in highlighting that it want to occassionally do its own thing. I first cleaned the ball, then replaced it with another Logiteck PS/2 mouse. Also tried a Kensington mouse. All input devise function work fine when using the TrackPoint. I have the latest BIOS and drivers installed. Any idea? TIA ... John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 08:34:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27983 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23855; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:32:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23593; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23574; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA16751 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:31:42 +0100 (MET) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA23062 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:31:30 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903251331.OAA23062@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: TP 701C: Dead battery --- continued In-Reply-To: <199903241854.TAA17919@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> from Sven Utcke at "Mar 24, 99 07:54:16 pm" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:31:30 +0100 (MET) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > a few weeks ago I posted several questions to the group concerning my > TP 701C and its battery, which could be summarised as: > > a) The TP tells me the battery is broken (not empty, broken!). > b) I know the battery is just fine. > c) The TP will use energy from the battery to beep at me > (knack-beep-beep-beep) to tell me it doesn't have a working > battery. > > The new thing is: Once I have switched on the laptop using AC, I can > then run it on battery just fine. It will still tell me the battery > is broken (and completely empty too), but it will nonetheless run... To follow up on my own message: on comp.sys.laptops is an interesting article which basically claims that the internal (i.e. in the battery) DS2434 Battery ID Chip might tell the computer the battery is broken, although it is not. No idea how to reset this one, though... Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 10:47:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29481 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00553; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00332; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00308; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25598; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02584; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:37:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: pickles , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Rob Bell'" Subject: RE: [IE 4.0] Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:37:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I always thought the the loading speed was dependant on who fast the browser got the data. I guess they finally removed those calls to the delay function in the page display code 8->. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 2:55 PM To: pickles; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [IE 4.0] If it isn't feasible to go back to 3.02, then give IE 5.0 a try. Microsoft claims that one of the main improvements over 4.0x that 5.0 has is in speed of loading web pages. You can find out more at http://www.microsoft.com/ie HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 12:01:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00507 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05107; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:47:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04877; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (www0v.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04862; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18135 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 1999 16:47:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990325164725.18134.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Thu Mar 25 16:47:25 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Mar 99 10:47:25 CST From: Rob Bell To: ecottrell@Doble.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [IE 4.0] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > Hello, > = > I always thought the the loading speed was dependant on who fast the br= owser > got the data. Regardless of how fast or slow the files (ascii text (aka html), gif, jpe= g, etc.) are transferred from the web server to the client, they still need = to be rendered into the final product. Given Microsoft's claims of higher spee= d, they have apparently improved the code that formats text, draws tables, displays graphics, renders form controls, etc. I haven't used IE5 enough= to know for sure yet. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 12:27:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00860 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07605; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:23:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07411; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07394; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld05g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.176]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22519 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:22:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903251722.MAA22519@smtp2.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:22:14 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Lara Subject: RE: [IE 4.0] In-Reply-To: <19990325164725.18134.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Maybe it's time to move these threads somewhere else...? IE 4.0 CD-R/RW Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 12:28:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00883 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07847; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:26:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07730; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (phr@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07673; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA25275 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:26:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199903251726.JAA25275@netcom13.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: booting linux from flash List-Unsubscribe: Yes, the 770 can boot from pcmcia. That's one of the reasons I bought a 770. Linux finds the flash card at boot time if the card is in the socket. It doesn't find it if I stick the card in afterwards, but that's ok. It's kind of odd, it let me mount the card last night, but after a reboot the mount command now doesn't recognize /dev/hde as a block device. So I was able to use the card for a while but now can't. I guess I'll get this sorted out sooner or later. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 12:39:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01030 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09092; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08998; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08983; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00629 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [IE 4.0] In-Reply-To: <19990325164725.18134.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On 25 Mar 1999, Rob Bell wrote: > "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > > > > I always thought the the loading speed was dependant on > > who fast the browser got the data. > > Regardless of how fast or slow the files (ascii text (aka > html), gif, jpeg, etc.) are transferred from the web > server to the client, they still need to be rendered into > the final product. Given Microsoft's claims of higher > speed, they have apparently improved the code that formats > text, draws tables, displays graphics, renders form > controls, etc. I haven't used IE5 enough to know for sure > yet. I've noticed that IE goes ahead and displays the page with dummy pictures in place of pictures that are loading. Then after each picture loads, it reformats the page to compensate for its size. That means you can start reading without having to wait for all the pictures to load. That's a really nice feature. Netscape won't do it unless the pictures include the HSIZE VSIZE tags (which are non-standard HTML). I have to admit, Microsoft got this one right - enhanced the browser without altering the HTML spec. (Btw, this is why under Netscape, some sites will not display until every last picture has been downloaded. Very annoying.) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 15:11:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03139 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18299; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:06:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17876; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17851; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id PAA10665 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:05:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:05:16 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: New Browser technology available Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199903251505_MC2-6F6D-44DF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I read today that Tim Berners-Lee has developed a new browser name Amauya= (or something v similar!!) http://www.w3c.org/ It is free and is both a browser AND a Web authoring/editing tool. It allows for on the fly webpage editing and in unison with other parties. Of course you need the priorities to do this! It makes webpage building/editing so much easier as you do not have to go= offline and upload. It is under constant revision and the C Source code is free to develop/customise with. It is a 4.8Mb download and it took 12mins this morning. I am sorry if I have got the name wrong - I am not at the machine its installed on right now... you will find it easily enough tho' Take a look and report back... Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 18:33:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06183 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00538; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:26:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00382; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from scu.edu (mailer.scu.edu [129.210.238.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00362; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from SCU-Message_Server by scu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:26:11 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:25:45 -0800 From: "Bryan Ford" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad with a broken keyboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: hello all:=20 I have a Thinkpad 600e. Today for no apparent reason, the keyboard went = on the blink. I noticed it because I was unable to enter the power on = password that I have to enter to start using the machine. On further = exploration, it appears that the following keys do not work:=20 7890 bksp uio[ jkl m I do not know that this is the entire list of keys that do not work. I = know that these are the keys that you can press at the password prompt to = a working thinkpad and have an asterisk show up on the screen. On my = computer, pressing the other letter and number keys produced the expected = asterisk; pressing these keys produces nothing. I have called the IBM = help center and they are happy to authorize an easyserv repair. Before I = send in the computer, I would like to get certain data files off of it so = that I can continue to work on a different computer while my thinkpad is = repaired. =20 Is it possible to attach a second keyboard to my computer and to issue the = password from that keyboard so that I can start the machine and copy = files? If it is possible, what is required? Could I use the keyboard = >from a year old Dell for example? I asked because I have attempted to = plug in the keyboard froom a Dell desktop. The connector appearred to fit = but the thinkpad did not respond to any of the keystrokes from the Dell. Thanks for any assistance=20 Bryan Ford=20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 18:43:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06278 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01325; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01220; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01191; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13906; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <027601be7718$62c4d5e0$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Bryan Ford" , References: Subject: Re: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad with abroken keyboard Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: You need a mouse/keyboard adapter (a y-cable with two ps/2 connectors for mouse & keyboard). Belkin makes them and I suppose IBM does, too. Many web stores carry them -- I got mine at CDW, for one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Ford To: Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 18:25 Subject: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad with abroken keyboard > hello all: > > I have a Thinkpad 600e. Today for no apparent reason, the keyboard went on the blink. I noticed it because I was unable to enter the power on password that I have to enter to start using the machine. On further exploration, it appears that the following keys do not work: > > 7890 bksp > uio[ > jkl > m > > I do not know that this is the entire list of keys that do not work. I know that these are the keys that you can press at the password prompt to a working thinkpad and have an asterisk show up on the screen. On my computer, pressing the other letter and number keys produced the expected asterisk; pressing these keys produces nothing. I have called the IBM help center and they are happy to authorize an easyserv repair. Before I send in the computer, I would like to get certain data files off of it so that I can continue to work on a different computer while my thinkpad is repaired. > > Is it possible to attach a second keyboard to my computer and to issue the password from that keyboard so that I can start the machine and copy files? If it is possible, what is required? Could I use the keyboard from a year old Dell for example? I asked because I have attempted to plug in the keyboard froom a Dell desktop. The connector appearred to fit but the thinkpad did not respond to any of the keystrokes from the Dell. > > Thanks for any assistance > > Bryan Ford > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 19:37:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06861 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04073; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:33:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03918; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03900; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:32:51 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (chi-tgn-goi-vty5.as.wcom.net [216.192.134.5]) by dub-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id TAA26883; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:31:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FAD574.1620E121@csc.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:31:48 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Ford CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad with abroken keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It's a long shot, but could your NumLock be on? All of the keys you mention (and several others, but maybe not BkSp) are the same ones that make up the ThinkPad's 'numeric keypad' (notice the secondary characters on each of the keys?). Maybe you inadvertantly activated the NumLock key when you turned the PC on, or maybe there's a BIOS feature that tells it to always boot with NumLock on. HTH, Rob ps. As someone else noted, you'll need IBM's Y-adapter cable to plug a keyboard into the ThinkPad, I believe. Bryan Ford wrote: > > hello all: > > I have a Thinkpad 600e. Today for no apparent reason, the keyboard went on the blink. I noticed it because I was unable to enter the power on password that I have to enter to start using the machine. On further exploration, it appears that the following keys do not work: > > 7890 bksp > uio[ > jkl > m > > I do not know that this is the entire list of keys that do not work. I know that these are the keys that you can press at the password prompt to a working thinkpad and have an asterisk show up on the screen. On my computer, pressing the other letter and number keys produced the expected asterisk; pressing these keys produces nothing. I have called the IBM help center and they are happy to authorize an easyserv repair. Before I send in the computer, I would like to get certain data files off of it so that I can continue to work on a different computer while my thinkpad is repaired. > > Is it possible to attach a second keyboard to my computer and to issue the password from that keyboard so that I can start the machine and copy files? If it is possible, what is required? Could I use the keyboard from a year old Dell for example? I asked because I have attempted to plug in the keyboard froom a Dell desktop. The connector appearred to fit but the thinkpad did not respond to any of the keystrokes from the Dell. > > Thanks for any assistance > > Bryan Ford ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 19:46:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06963 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04678; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04569; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.134.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04555; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtwang@localhost (fake: stdin (HELO localhost) (ident: uid#20647@localhost)) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <367356-2198>; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:09 -0500 (EST) Sender: Gerald Wang From: Gerald Wang X-Sender: gtwang@calum To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: battery for 350C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew of a source for either a new, refurbished, or used battery for my 350C - the part number is 60G0213 ("FRU" P/N is 60G1791) and it's a 9.6V, 2.2AH Ni-MH. Or if there are any places that will "revitalize" dead batteries. Thanks, Gerald From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 20:43:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07569 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07241; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:42:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07138; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mail.gol.com (smtp01.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07125; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc-1-229.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-229.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.229]) by smtp01.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id KAA21810; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:41:46 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: New Browser technology available Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:43:37 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199903251505_MC2-6F6D-44DF@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199903251505_MC2-6F6D-44DF@compuserve.com> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.27Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: In article <199903251505_MC2-6F6D-44DF@compuserve.com>, Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: >I read today that Tim Berners-Lee has developed a new browser name Amauya >(or something v similar!!) > >http://www.w3c.org/ It's "Amaya." More browsers than you can shake a stick at at -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 21:10:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07837 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08572; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:08:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08467; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from scu.edu (mailer.scu.edu [129.210.238.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08450; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from SCU-Message_Server by scu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:08:21 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:08:05 -0800 From: "Bryan Ford" To: rbell1@csc.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad with abroken keyboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: You are a life saver. The numlock key was on even though I don't recall = turning it on and there was no indication that it was on in the lights at = the top of the keyboard. I played with it for a little while until the = keys started working again and then I entered the password. This thought = did not occur to the IBM help people even though I gave them this = information and was on the phone for a substantial period of time. I have also ordered the splitter cable from PC Connection so it will be = here in case my keyboard should really fail in future. Once again, thank you for your help. Bryan Ford >>> Rob Bell 03/25 4:31 PM >>> It's a long shot, but could your NumLock be on? All of the keys you mention (and several others, but maybe not BkSp) are the same ones that make up the ThinkPad's 'numeric keypad' (notice the secondary characters on each of the keys?). Maybe you inadvertantly activated the NumLock key when you turned the PC on, or maybe there's a BIOS feature that tells it to always boot with NumLock on. HTH, Rob ps. As someone else noted, you'll need IBM's Y-adapter cable to plug a keyboard into the ThinkPad, I believe. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 22:21:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08769 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11880; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:18:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11770; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11727; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic30.fbtc.net [204.2.11.30]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA15022; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:18:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a501be7736$c9892420$8eacc898@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: Re: CD-R/RW vs Zip drives Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:14:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: While 250 is a big improvement it's still too small. Barry -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: Re: CD-R/RW vs Zip drives >At 08:51 PM 3/24/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >> >>I sure agree that the Zips are now too small. 100 >>meg is no longer enough to use for backups, >>although I used mine for multi-disk backups for a >>long time. Now, I might as well use floppies. > >You should be aware that Zip drives are now available >in both 100MB and 250MB versions. The 250MB can read/write >both 250MB and 100MB disks. The 100MB version can only >access 100MB disks. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Mar 25 22:24:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08804 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11673; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:17:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11576; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11563; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic30.fbtc.net [204.2.11.30]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14414; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:16:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009001be7736$893d7c40$8eacc898@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "David Kramer" , "thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Zip vs CD-RW Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:12:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >A big difference in my eyes is that once the data has been written >successfully, a CDR is less likely to go bad at some time in the future >than a zip disk, barring serious physical abuse. A zip disk in its case >can get corrupted from temperature extremes, magnetism (including your >monitor, TV, etc), dust, or a hard jolt. A cd in its case could get >damaged from too much UV maybe, but it can handle greater temperature >exremes, much more jarring, infinite magnetism, more dust, etc. I lost a bet that I could ruin a 5.25 floppy disk with a magnet in less than a minute, about 10 years ago. I had to buy several lunches. :) I used a magnet that held notes to the refrigerator in the company kitchen. I rubbed and rubbed and held it still against the floppy. The disk was full of data. After a minute there were no problems whatever reading the disk and no pending problems were found by Norton disk test. I did finally manage to ruin the disk by sitting the magnet on it and leaving it overnight. I don't think magnetism from nearby monitors is much of a threat. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 08:47:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14605 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10737; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:32:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10114; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10100; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from probepro (user-37kah8u.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.69.30]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11043 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:32:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301be778d$0c4cb3c0$11cfc582@probepro.ceco.com> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:32:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01BE775A.C0F20100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BE775A.C0F20100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not scroll the = message preview pane in IE4. Does this work on anyones TP? Thanks, Chuck ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BE775A.C0F20100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint = does not=20 scroll the message preview pane in IE4.  Does this work on anyones=20 TP?
 
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Chuck
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BE775A.C0F20100-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 11:20:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16417 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23265; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:09:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22228; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22194; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld1a3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.67]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17216; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:09:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903261609.LAA17216@smtp4.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:08:43 -0500 To: "Chuck S." , From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP In-Reply-To: <004301be778d$0c4cb3c0$11cfc582@probepro.ceco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_30589034==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_30589034==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, Chuck S. wrote: > > The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not scroll the > message preview pane in IE4. Does this work on anyones TP? If you're referring to Outlook Express, I've tried it with my TP 600, and it doesn't work. I've also seen messages from other folks saying that they believe it's a Outlook Express problem, not necessarily a TP problem. Greg L. --=====================_30589034==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, Chuck S. wrote:
The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not scroll the message preview pane in IE4.  Does this work on anyones TP?


If you're referring to Outlook Express, I've tried it with my TP 600, and it doesn't work. I've also seen messages from other folks saying that they believe it's a Outlook Express problem, not necessarily a TP problem.

Greg L.

--=====================_30589034==_.ALT-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 12:34:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17267 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29538; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:23:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28876; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28861; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07965 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:23:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:23:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Zip vs CD-RW In-Reply-To: <009001be7736$893d7c40$8eacc898@cueve> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Barry Marks wrote: > > I did finally manage to ruin the disk by sitting > the magnet on it and leaving it overnight. So the lesson you learned is that disks exposed to a weak magnetic field for a long time can lose data. > I don't think magnetism from nearby monitors is > much of a threat. And disks placed near monitors are being explosed to a weak magnetic field for a long time. I *have* lost data stored on 5.25" floppies stored next to a monitor for about a year. And it wasn't just a spot or two. Nearly all the disks in a 10-pack lost most or all they were holding. Speakers are another common culprit. As are the magnetic latches on some women's purses. Never underestimate the power of the electromagnetic force. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 12:47:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17432 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00422; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:31:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29689; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29667; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (pp111-167.bctel.ca [209.52.111.167]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA27144 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:30:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: mb3.mailbank.com: Host pp111-167.bctel.ca [209.52.111.167] claimed to be thinkpad Message-ID: <001c01be77ae$6c184fa0$0200005a@thinkpad> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: recommendations on laptop Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:31:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have been on this list for about 4-5 years ( I think) and have had a few machines in the 300 range (currently a 365XD with _64MBs_ (It works - trust me)) Anyways - I am looking at getting laptops for my sales force (maybe 6-8 guys locally, 40-50 nationally). I have put together a few specs that I am looking for and thought that you guys would be great to ask: Things I care about when choosing laptops: 1. Light - 4-5 lbs 2. TFT 12.1 min. 3. Multimedia capable ie. Mpeg2 playback , don't care about DVD but need CD rom 4. Min 266mhz, hard drive size not that much of an issue I have been a little out of the loop with the specs on all the new 'pads out in the last year. I am obviously looking for thinkpads as I think IBM is the best (I have always been impressed by quality/service). We may also look into Dell/Toshiba if I can't find anything in IBM that suits. Any recommendations would be really appreciated. David S. Crombie Sales Team Leader Barter Business Exchange 604.432.1000 ext.22 davidc@bbe.ca www.bbe.ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 13:26:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17948 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03431; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:09:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02949; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww190.netaddress.usa.net (ww190.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02929; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23203 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 1999 18:09:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990326180937.23202.qmail@ww190.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.90 by ww190 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Fri Mar 26 18:09:37 GMT 1999 Date: 26 Mar 99 12:09:37 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Power Adapters: 600 for a 770? X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Can a power adapter for a TP600 work for a TP770? I seem to remember som= eone on the list mentioning that they are interchangable. Thanks, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 13:31:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18031 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05013; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:24:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04366; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from adserv1.netzero.net ([209.0.233.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04328; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13615 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 1999 18:24:28 -0000 Received: from pppa17-tucson6-4r344.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.217.79) by 209.0.233.13 with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 18:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <36FBD07B.A5D7B620@netzero.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:22:51 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP References: <199903261609.LAA17216@smtp4.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The third button combination doesn't work on IE4 on a TP770, while it works OK on NS4.5, Amaya 1.4, etc. Greg Lara wrote: > > At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, Chuck S. wrote: > > > The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not > > scroll the message preview pane in IE4. Does this work on > > anyones TP? ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 13:35:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18096 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04243; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:18:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03789; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03752; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-124.usc.edu [128.125.223.124]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA04523; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:18:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990326084216.00b40920@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990326084216.00b40920@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:43:10 -0800 To: "Chuck S." , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP In-Reply-To: <004301be778d$0c4cb3c0$11cfc582@probepro.ceco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, you wrote: > > The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not scroll the > message preview pane in IE4. Does this work on anyones TP? Click (with the left button) into the window in question first, then try it. I've found this helps it to "know" which window you want to scroll. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 14:30:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA18947 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09239; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:26:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09108; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pgh.nauticom.net (pgh.nauticom.net [198.190.226.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09093; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from thomascomputer (90.np2.np.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.144.90]) by pgh.nauticom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08757 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:13:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000001be77be$178905a0$4725ecd0@thomascomputer> From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: Subject: Hiss/Whine Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98. I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models. Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on the TP 770X models..... Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP Website... Tom Jones From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 14:56:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19267 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11132; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:47:58 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10979; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA02845 for dist-thinkpad; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10056; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23439 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:36:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19855 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Serial Port problems with the 760L Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Does anyone know if the 760L has serial port problems? When a special communications program is run in DOS there is communications for about 7 to 9 seconds then we get an overrun error on a response from the external device. All the 760L laptops do this, some worse than others. They are running Win95 with service pak 1. Microsoft Explorer 4 is also installed. I tried various tricks like deleting comm ports and having windows find them again. We even tried using a Socket PCMCIA Serial Port card and it does the same thing. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 16:17:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20438 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16382; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:11:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16181; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from olympus.rimco.com ([206.34.156.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16167; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by olympus.rimco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ronald M. Egalka" To: "'Thomas A. Jones'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Hiss/Whine Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:12:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Tom, I have a 770X 9549 7BU (running NT4.0) which exhibits a low level "whine" >from the HDD. There is a more uncomfortable hiss/whine when the modem is dialing/negotiating which I presume is there all the time while using the modem. My concern is that the noise is likely degrading the connect speed. Is this the same you're experiencing? Ron Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President/CEO Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. http://www.rimco.com 1-800-487-4883 1-617-342-6900 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas A. Jones [SMTP:taj@nauticom.net] Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 1:45 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hiss/Whine I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98. I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models. Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on the TP 770X models..... Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP Website... Tom Jones From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 16:56:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA20828 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18800; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:48:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18658; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18644; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from probepro (user-37kagpv.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.67.63]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23904; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01be77d2$4be09700$11cfc582@ceco.com> From: "Chuck S." To: "Greg Lara" , References: <199903261609.LAA17216@smtp4.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:47:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE77A0.00751B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE77A0.00751B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, It does have something to do with the combination of Outlook Express and = the TrackPoint driver. At one time I had a Logitech wheel mouse = attached to my TP and scrolling worked fine in IE4 using the wheel. I = of course had to install the Logitech driver to get the wheel to work. = So, the TrackPoint driver could be changed to support scrolling in IE. = BTW, an earlier version of the Logitech driver scrolled everything = except IE, just like the TrackPoint. Another feature I miss with the = TrackPoint driver is having the pointer automatically move to the = default button. This save lots of cursor movements. BTW, I just = installed IE5 and scrolling still doesn't work. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Lara=20 To: Chuck S. ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Scrolling the message preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, Chuck S. wrote:=20 The combination of the 3rd button and the trackpoint does not scroll = the message preview pane in IE4. Does this work on anyones TP? If you're referring to Outlook Express, I've tried it with my TP 600, = and it doesn't work. I've also seen messages from other folks saying = that they believe it's a Outlook Express problem, not necessarily a TP = problem. Greg L. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE77A0.00751B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg,
 
It does have something to do with the combination of Outlook = Express and=20 the TrackPoint driver.  At one time I had a Logitech wheel mouse = attached=20 to my TP and scrolling worked fine in IE4 using the wheel. I of course = had to=20 install the Logitech driver to get the wheel to work.  So, the = TrackPoint=20 driver could be changed to support scrolling in IE.  BTW, an = earlier=20 version of the Logitech driver scrolled everything except IE, just like = the=20 TrackPoint.  Another feature I miss with the TrackPoint driver is = having=20 the pointer automatically move to the default button.  This save = lots of=20 cursor movements.  BTW, I just installed IE5 and scrolling still = doesn't=20 work.
 
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg = Lara=20
To: Chuck=20 S. ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 = 10:08=20 AM
Subject: Re: Scrolling the = message=20 preview pane in IE4 with IBM TP

At 07:32 AM 3/26/99 -0600, Chuck S. wrote:
The combination of the 3rd button and = the=20 trackpoint does not scroll the message preview pane in IE4.  = Does this=20 work on anyones TP?


If = you're=20 referring to Outlook Express, I've tried it with my TP 600, and it = doesn't=20 work. I've also seen messages from other folks saying that they = believe it's a=20 Outlook Express problem, not necessarily a TP problem.

Greg=20 L.

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE77A0.00751B60-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 17:24:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21169 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21112; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:21:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20940; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20924; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.26]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990326222029.DQXK16356@770>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:20:29 +0000 Message-ID: <36FC07D0.B65@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:18:56 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas A. Jones" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hiss/Whine References: <000001be77be$178905a0$4725ecd0@thomascomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try turning soen the "SRS" slider in the audio control Thomas A. Jones wrote: > > I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very > noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98. > I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are > experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models. > > Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on > the TP 770X models..... > > Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP > Website... > > Tom Jones From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 17:42:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21395 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22017; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21842; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21805; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from fatman (user-38lc51m.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.20.54]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23359 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990326173034.007fd970@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lewj@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:34 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: Port Replicators for TP390: IBM vs. Extended Systems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Found someone through Dejanews who had done benchmarkes on his i1451 and found it had the 64MB caching limitation... so I ordered a TP390 model C0U today. I am now considering a port replicator for use at the office. My first question is whether IBM's gotten the blasted things working. I never got the one for my TP760CD to work properly unless I powered down the machine, connected it, then booted. Same for disconnecting. That went completely against the whole idea of a port replicator; to save time hooking up/disconnecting peripherals at the office. This wasn't even the one with the PCMCIA slots. Has IBM fixed this so the things are useful now? I've seen the price for IBM's port replicator, ~$160 (part# 46H4209). I also found one from Extended Systems available through www.surplusdirect.com (Egghead's Surplus outfit). Anyone have any thoughts or experience on this? Thanks. -- Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lewj@mindspring.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 18:04:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21658 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23900; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:57:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23743; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from deimos.nc.com (deimos.nc.com [207.88.167.190]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23730; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from nc.com (pm3a-4.nc.com [172.20.129.4]) by deimos.nc.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA28416 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36FC1004.4F97CE23@nc.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:53:56 -0800 From: "George S. Kong" Organization: Network Computer, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external References: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: apologies if this has been discussed recently: can anyone recommend an external CD-R drive, to be used with a Thinkpad 760EL and a couple of Dell Inspiron 7000 laptops? i'm looking for one that's reliable and inexpensive, speed is not a major concern. i expect a parallel port device would be less expensive and easier to get working, but i do have an Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card and am open to the possibility of using an external SCSI drive. thanks for any info. ---------------------------------------------------------- George S. Kong, Network Computer Inc, george at nc dot com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 18:32:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22130 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25418; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:20:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25245; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25225; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-116-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.239]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14780; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:19:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36FC15D0.7823320F@cia-g.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:40 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Ologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "George S. Kong" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external References: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> <36FC1004.4F97CE23@nc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Based on our experience, do not go too cheap... the extra money gets you a lot... The Yamaha SCSI is superior... Look also at the Ricoh and the 8000 series HP... Sony is good... Lots of problems with the less expensive HP and many other models... The older yamaha at 2x/4x is cheaper and works great There is a lot of information on the net that will steer you away from some brands and toward others... but there are good reason why the Yamaha is among the higher priced... You will find good info when you search... there are about 12 brands/models out there... look at warrantee and extra software... Sony is probably one of the better ones under $300... HP is about $350 for the new series. Check shopper.com, pricewatch.com, www.necx.com, buycomp.com, buy.com for their information on the various models. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 19:04:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22471 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27113; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:52:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26953; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26937; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10019 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:52:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external In-Reply-To: <36FC1004.4F97CE23@nc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, George S. Kong wrote: > apologies if this has been discussed recently: > can anyone recommend an external CD-R drive, to be used > with a Thinkpad 760EL and a couple of Dell Inspiron 7000 > laptops? So recently that I'm willing to bet several people are wishing it'd go away. :-) http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ is a good starting point. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 19:24:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22621 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28465; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:18:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28367; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28354; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.168]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990327001732.FDEL16356@770>; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:17:32 +0000 Message-ID: <36FC233E.3B9E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:15:58 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "George S. Kong" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external References: <00a201be75ab$b8aaa0c0$5c0b02cc@cueve> <36FC1004.4F97CE23@nc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: SCSI SCSI SCSI The Ricoh works very well in this setup! George S. Kong wrote: > > apologies if this has been discussed recently: > can anyone recommend an external CD-R drive, to be used > with a Thinkpad 760EL and a couple of Dell Inspiron 7000 > laptops? > > i'm looking for one that's reliable and inexpensive, > speed is not a major concern. i expect a parallel port > device would be less expensive and easier to get working, > but i do have an Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card and am open > to the possibility of using an external SCSI drive. > > thanks for any info. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > George S. Kong, Network Computer Inc, george at nc dot com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 20:32:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23453 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00872; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:25:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00763; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net ([204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00747; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb1051.capecod.net [209.244.250.35]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12922 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:24:13 -0500 Message-ID: <36FC3329.E43B008B@capecod.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:23:53 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Tp760XD Photo Cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The CD-ROM reader that came with my 760XD appears to be unable to read an entire multi-session Photo CD. I can get through the first session ok but it doesn't see the second session. Is there a driver available that will work with multi-session Photo CD's? Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Mar 26 22:19:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24534 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04255; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:15:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04077; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04056; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb1051.capecod.net [209.244.250.35]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18605 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:14:16 -0500 Message-ID: <36FC4CFF.92974C8E@capecod.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:14:07 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP760XD LINUX installation problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Product Name - The Complete redhat LINUX operating system 5.2 DELUXE Platform: IBM Thinkpad 760 XD, 90MB RAM, Docking Station II, 2 GB SCSI Jaz, SCSI ZIP, SCSI Multidisk attached. Hard drive also contains WIN95 and OS-2 partitions. Linux partition is 200MB long. Linuz partitions: / on hard drive 200 MB /usr goes to JAZ 800MB /usr/src on Jaz 100MB /home on Jaz 200MB swap on Jaz 100MB 3COM575 Ethernet card Megahertz V.90 modem card I am attempting to install LINUX on this machine mostly for my own educational purposes, as a stand alone workstation with dial up access to an ISP. The ability to connect to a LAN on a part time basis would also be nice. The installation seems to go OK until I boot LINUX. It always hangs up when getting to the keymaps loading if my NIC is not installed, or at sendmail loading if it is. By hangup I mean at least 30 minutes before I lose patience and reboot WIN95. I have tried installing with and without the NIC, with and without dialup networking, with and without a network. I have bypassed configuring for a LAN. The behavior is the same if I boot from the floppy made during the installation process. I usually have selected the default recommendation for packages, services to initiate at boot, etc. When deviating from the defaults I have elected to remove anything associated with networking. Since the boot process never completes I can't change anything or even examine the log files. Help From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 00:26:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25738 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07925; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:21:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07821; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from fsp.fsp.com (IDENT:wjdodd@fsp.fsp.com [157.134.205.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07808; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from wjdodd@localhost) by fsp.fsp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA12878 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:16:51 -0500 From: "William J. Dodd" Message-Id: <199903270616.BAA12878@fsp.fsp.com> Subject: 360PE: What is this? How do I turn it off? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:16:51 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: I am using Windows 95 on a ThinkPad 360PE with pen features installed. Whenever I have a text-entry space, such as the Location box in Netscape or the search box in Alta Vista or the File Name box in File, Save As, there is an upper-case A to the right of the space and, when I click in the space, a double-headed horizontal arrow appears under the cursor position. If I click on the upper-case A I am presented with a virtual keyboard on which I can click keys one at a time to enter text. If I click on the double-headed horizontal arrow I am presented with a menu offering options (some grayed out) like Cut, Copy, and Edit Text (selecting Edit Text brings up the virtual keyboard again). This is clearly some sort of feature to facilitate text entry and editing. But I don't want it to ALWAYS be there. Yet I can't find out what it's called and I can't find any way to turn it off. I have searched Windows 95 help, the various ThinkPad features menus, and most of the icons in Control Panel. Can anybody tell me what this feature is, and, more importantly, how to toggle it on and off? -- ===================| William J. Dodd |"Sometimes my brilliance astonishes even me." wjdodd@fsp.fsp.com | Dr. Who (Tom Baker) _Invisible Enemy_ ===================| From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 02:21:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26828 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11641; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:14:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11432; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11419; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with ESMTP id XAA22358; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:14:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36FC85BA.31D45A96@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:16:10 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Ford CC: rbell1@csc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How can you attach an external keyboard to a thinkpad withabroken keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: With regards to the Y-splitter, there's a good chance that a generic cable from Fry's and suchlike will work. My 560X is perfectly happy with a $7 noname cable. It's worth a shot - you can always return it if it doesn't work. Benjamin Bryan Ford wrote: > > You are a life saver. The numlock key was on even though I don't recall turning it on and there was no indication that it was on in the lights at the top of the keyboard. I played with it for a little while until the keys started working again and then I entered the password. This thought did not occur to the IBM help people even though I gave them this information and was on the phone for a substantial period of time. > > I have also ordered the splitter cable from PC Connection so it will be here in case my keyboard should really fail in future. > > Once again, thank you for your help. > > Bryan Ford > > >>> Rob Bell 03/25 4:31 PM >>> > It's a long shot, but could your NumLock be on? All of the keys you > mention (and several others, but maybe not BkSp) are the same ones that > make up the ThinkPad's 'numeric keypad' (notice the secondary characters > on each of the keys?). Maybe you inadvertantly activated the NumLock > key when you turned the PC on, or maybe there's a BIOS feature that > tells it to always boot with NumLock on. > > HTH, > Rob > > ps. As someone else noted, you'll need IBM's Y-adapter cable to plug a > keyboard into the ThinkPad, I believe. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 08:22:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29166 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26877; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:20:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26709; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from woodyjr.wcnet.org (woodyjr.wcnet.org [205.133.171.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26696; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from peach.z.org. (IDENT:jzawodn@find5-cs-6.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.75]) by woodyjr.wcnet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27200; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:19:59 -0500 (EST) To: bigdaddy@ieee.org Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP760XD LINUX installation problems References: <36FC4CFF.92974C8E@capecod.net> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-03 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 27 Mar 1999 08:20:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: rdietric's message of "Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:14:07 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: rdietric writes: > I am attempting to install LINUX on this machine mostly for my own > educational purposes, as a stand alone workstation with dial up > access to an ISP. The ability to connect to a LAN on a part time > basis would also be nice. The installation seems to go OK until I > boot LINUX. It always hangs up when getting to the keymaps loading > if my NIC is not installed, or at sendmail loading if it is. Is the sendmail hang-up case also longer than a few minutes? I ask because it's fairly common for sendmail to appear to ``hang'' on newly installed systems when DNS isn't configured right or working properly. Sendmail tries hard to figure out the hostname and domain name of the machine it's running on when it starts. Eventually, though, it should give up and let you go on. Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 16:00:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02896 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07805; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:56:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07665; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07632; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc2-177.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.177]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19566 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:56:11 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Targus Universal AC and TP 770 ED ? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:56:07 -0300 Message-ID: <016d01be7894$3c066ea0$b17603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello again. Is anybody using this new AC from Targus with a 770 ? In their compatibility list (at www.targus.com) are all Thinkpads up to the 765 listed but not the 770s. I ask me why. The 600 is in the list and it is a newer machine but not the 770. Regards to all. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 16:58:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03239 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10037; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:56:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09952; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09938; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA21824; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:56:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990327155529.00829820@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:55:29 -0600 To: "Harry Teszler" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Targus Universal AC and TP 770 ED ? Cc: "Thinkpad List" In-Reply-To: <016d01be7894$3c066ea0$b17603cf@bqlzpsrt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 05:56 PM 3/27/99 -0300, Harry Teszler wrote: >In their compatibility list (at www.targus.com) are all Thinkpads >up to the 765 listed but not the 770s. I ask me why. The 600 is >in the list and it is a newer machine but not the 770. I don't know that I was looking at the same adapter that you are, but I did look at a Targus unit at a computer store a couple of weeks ago. It seems to me that its power capacity was not up to the level provided by the AC adapter that came with my 770ED. The unit in my hand (from IBM) claims to output 16V at 3.36A. According to my math, 16V * 3.36A is 53.76 Watts. Their web page says that the unit is rated for 35 Watts. So, that's probably the answer. If you don't like that answer, their web page lists for further information or assistance. If they give you a different answer, I'd like to hear it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNv1Tzm8pw+2/9pUJEQJqTwCcDGklymAZLIrYlUCCGS1O2yAcBNwAoOGs 8ShqGH9QV1KkbF/5JMsuG0Ce =fMVA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 18:53:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04225 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12834; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:42:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12691; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12677; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA30207 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:42:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:42:37 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Financing Purchase Experience, Chapter 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I just received a ThinkPad 760LD from IBM Financing. (refurbishedpcs.financing.ibm.com) I have also purchased refurbished machines from Data Path Technologies and Linx Tech. There is a world of difference. This machine... is clean the battery works software is included, with a manual there is a good user manual everything works it arrived EIGHT DAYS EARLY The only thing I don't like is that installation media were not included, but the last time I bought a new ThinkPad, it was a 750P. I don't think any of them have media any more. Actually, a manual for the modem would have been nice. I expect it will perform like a tank for years, but I'll keep you informed if it doesn't. Another happy IBM customer, Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 22:06:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06010 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23861; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:03:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23601; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Hydro.CAM.ORG (Hydro.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23588; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cam.org (Dialup-27.HIP.CAM.ORG [205.151.119.28]) by Hydro.CAM.ORG (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA05619 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:02:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FD9C33.532C9EF6@cam.org> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:04:19 -0500 From: Richard Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hiss/Whine Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B25B72CF7B5AF614078AB1B7" List-Unsubscribe: --------------B25B72CF7B5AF614078AB1B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, I think I know what you're talking about. I've got a TP560 (2640-10U), about year and a half old. Recently, once the hard disk has spun down, I can hear a faint tinny staticy sound emanating from the right side of the keyboard. Fiddling with the volume control has no effect on it, but changing the processor clock speed in the power management settings changes the pitch noticeably. Looks like it's something resonating with the high frequency clock. Not a big deal, but let's hope it doesn't get any worse. One of the joys of owning this little puppy is the fact that it is (or is that was?) totally silent when not in active use. Any hardware engineers out there care to venture a guess as to the cause? Richard Berdych berdych@cam.org Thomas A Jones wrote: > I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very > noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98. > I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are > experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models. > > Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on > the TP 770X models..... > > Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP > Website... > > Tom Jones > --------------B25B72CF7B5AF614078AB1B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
Hi Tom,

I think I know what you're talking about. I've got a TP560 (2640-10U),
about year and a half old. Recently, once the hard disk has spun down,
I can hear a faint tinny staticy sound emanating from the right side of
the keyboard. Fiddling with the volume control has no effect on it, but
changing the processor clock speed in the power management settings
changes the pitch noticeably. Looks like it's something resonating
with the high frequency clock. Not a big deal, but let's hope it doesn't
get any worse. One of the joys of owning this little puppy is the fact
that it is (or is that was?) totally silent when not in active use. Any
hardware engineers out there care to venture a guess as to the cause?

Richard Berdych
berdych@cam.org
 

Thomas A Jones wrote: 

I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very
noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98.
I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are
experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models.

Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on
the TP 770X models.....

Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP
Website...

Tom Jones
--------------B25B72CF7B5AF614078AB1B7-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Mar 27 23:04:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06384 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25914; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:02:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25830; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from olympus.rimco.com ([206.34.156.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25816; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by olympus.rimco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ronald M. Egalka" To: "'Harry Teszler'" , Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Targus Universal AC and TP 770 ED ? Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:03:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Harry, I've been using the Targus supply with a 770X for several months, off and on. Works fine, although a bit warm to the touch - probably due to the higher current requirements of the 770 and the modest heatsink (small form factor). Hope this helps. Ron Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President/CEO Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. 800.487.4883 617.342.6919 -----Original Message----- From: Harry Teszler [SMTP:hteszler@netgate.com.uy] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 1999 3:56 PM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Targus Universal AC and TP 770 ED ? Hello again. Is anybody using this new AC from Targus with a 770 ? In their compatibility list (at www.targus.com) are all Thinkpads up to the 765 listed but not the 770s. I ask me why. The 600 is in the list and it is a newer machine but not the 770. Regards to all. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 28 15:27:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12970 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04173; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:15:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03828; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03813; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (access-isdn1-33.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.163]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA89998 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:15:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199903282015.PAA89998@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@mail.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:14:55 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Bob Munzenrider Subject: Looking for battery utility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a trusty little TP701. It's in fine shape, 'cuz no one has ever had a chance to attempt to pick it up by the edges of its ("Butterfly") keyboard.... I have a dim memory that it used to have a little utility that showed the level of charge in its battery. ??? Am I dreaming??? I'm wondering if I used to have one but may have zapped it when I upgraded to Win95? At any rate, does anyone out there know of any kind of battery charge indicator program that will work on a 701? Also, folks write in every so often discussing the slipping and/or missing pads (fallen off) on the bottoms of their TPs. Dear old Radio shack sells some "Self-Sticking Cushion Feet" (Part # 64-2346), that seem to have a good adhesive. I've had a set on the bottom of my machine for a year or so now & they haven't slid or fallen off yet. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg "In the Shadow of TMI" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Mar 28 20:47:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15496 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13239; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:38:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13049; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13035; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pii333 [205.130.16.50] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id AA883F0102; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:42:32 EST Message-ID: <000201be7985$c9ecc060$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: , "Bob Munzenrider" Subject: Re: Looking for battery utility Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:57:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Ditto. Those little dinky things they put on the bottom of mine are junk. Plus the one's from RS provide more air flow and actually more protection if you think about it. One one occasion my buddy spilt some Mtn Dew at the other end of the table. It cleared the bottom of the TP to my liking. Got a little on the ac adapter cord but that was it. I considered myself *very* lucky. My 701 has a tendency to overheat when rapid charging(thus the thermal protection kicks in and it tells me in the morning that I have a full charge) so those pads helped to keep 'er cool. As far as battery status, why not use the one with 95? :-) -Jamie >Also, folks write in every so often discussing the slipping and/or missing >pads (fallen off) on the bottoms of their TPs. Dear old Radio shack sells >some "Self-Sticking Cushion Feet" (Part # 64-2346), that seem to have a >good adhesive. I've had a set on the bottom of my machine for a year or so >now & they haven't slid or fallen off yet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 00:59:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17132 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20741; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:53:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20597; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20577; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA304576; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <36FF1509.8B4EFF67@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:52:09 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas A. Jones" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hiss/Whine References: <000001be77be$178905a0$4725ecd0@thomascomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HDD's can whine.. this is not unusual.. hiss is another thing.. had a 770X.. no noticeable hiss.. and HDD noise changed when i changed HDD's.. Thomas A. Jones wrote: > I have a TP 770X 9549 7AU, and have noticed for quite sometime it has a very > noticeable hiss/whine (for lack of better description). I am running Win 98. > I have read on the Thinkpad Forum on the Thinkpad Website, that others are > experiencing the same problem, that own 770X models. > > Was wondering if anyone on this mailing list are noticing the same thing on > the TP 770X models..... > > Supposedly, IBM engineers are working on the problem as stated on the TP > Website... > > Tom Jones -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770X-7AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 01:07:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17211 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21420; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:02:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21307; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21280; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA316016; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:03:07 -0500 Message-ID: <36FF176F.D1C39AEC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:02:23 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Targus Universal AC and TP 770 ED ? References: <016d01be7894$3c066ea0$b17603cf@bqlzpsrt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like a kludge to me.. why not get a real IBM AC adapter.. ? the 560 version works fine with all round plug TP's.. Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello again. > > Is anybody using this new AC from Targus with a 770 ? > In their compatibility list (at www.targus.com) are all Thinkpads > up to the 765 listed but not the 770s. I ask me why. The 600 is > in the list and it is a newer machine but not the 770. > > Regards to all. > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 01:15:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17266 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21154; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:00:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21058; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21041; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA63376; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: <36FF16EE.52C31ACF@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:00:14 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Crombie" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: recommendations on laptop References: <001c01be77ae$6c184fa0$0200005a@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. look at the 600 series.. one of the 'older' models.. it'll be cheaper especially if you want 50 machines.. only tough part is finding 50 older 600's.. also consider the "i" series.. David S. Crombie wrote: > I have been on this list for about 4-5 years ( I think) and have had a few > machines in the 300 range (currently a 365XD with _64MBs_ (It works - trust > me)) > > Anyways - I am looking at getting laptops for my sales force (maybe 6-8 guys > locally, 40-50 nationally). I have put together a few specs that I am > looking for and thought that you guys would be great to ask: > > Things I care about when choosing laptops: > > 1. Light - 4-5 lbs > 2. TFT 12.1 min. > 3. Multimedia capable ie. Mpeg2 playback , don't care about DVD but need CD > rom > 4. Min 266mhz, hard drive size not that much of an issue > > I have been a little out of the loop with the specs on all the new 'pads out > in the last year. I am obviously looking for thinkpads as I think IBM is > the best (I have always been impressed by quality/service). We may also > look into Dell/Toshiba if I can't find anything in IBM that suits. > > Any recommendations would be really appreciated. > > David S. Crombie > Sales Team Leader > Barter Business Exchange > 604.432.1000 ext.22 > davidc@bbe.ca > www.bbe.ca -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 10:54:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21259 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19478; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:40:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19101; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net ([208.244.215.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19046; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hades (customer-143.actionwebs.net [208.244.215.143]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23173; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:37:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE79D0.26BE0B60.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'John Kim'" Subject: RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:04:28 -0600 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've read several good reviews on the "Smart and Friendly" line. FWIW, unless someone else picked up the technology, they were the only ones making an 8x writer. Speed does matter. Nothing is more frustrating than spending an hour burning a CD, only to find that it didn't work. SCSI is the only way to go. ---------- From: John Kim[SMTP:kim@stormhaven.org] Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 5:52 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, George S. Kong wrote: > apologies if this has been discussed recently: > can anyone recommend an external CD-R drive, to be used > with a Thinkpad 760EL and a couple of Dell Inspiron 7000 > laptops? So recently that I'm willing to bet several people are wishing it'd go away. :-) http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ is a good starting point. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 11:38:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21959 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21435; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:12:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21299; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps05.telusplanet.net (edtnps05.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.105]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21274; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from clgr000020.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.20]:1129 "EHLO ibm.net") by edtnps05.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <524971-18930>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:12:06 -0700 Message-ID: <36FFA616.7232132D@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:11:02 -0700 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'John Kim'" Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external References: <01BE79D0.26BE0B60.mlemon@hickseq.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EDD507BD27754F07F8BFE2CA" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EDD507BD27754F07F8BFE2CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And 8x writer is available. I received mine , PLEXTOR , PlexWriter 8/20. I works great (8X speed) from my desktop IntelliStation and from Thinkpad 770X with the Adaptec PCMCIA card. Of course I select the TEST+Write option. Mark Lemon wrote: > I've read several good reviews on the "Smart and Friendly" line. > > FWIW, unless someone else picked up the technology, they were the only ones > making an 8x writer. > > Speed does matter. Nothing is more frustrating than spending an hour > burning a CD, only to find that it didn't work. SCSI is the only way to > go. > > ---------- > From: John Kim[SMTP:kim@stormhaven.org] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 5:52 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external > > On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, George S. Kong wrote: > > > apologies if this has been discussed recently: > > can anyone recommend an external CD-R drive, to be used > > with a Thinkpad 760EL and a couple of Dell Inspiron 7000 > > laptops? > > So recently that I'm willing to bet several people are wishing > it'd go away. :-) > > http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ > > is a good starting point. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- .................................................................. 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Nothing is more frustrating than spending an hour >burning a CD, only to find that it didn't work. SCSI is the only way to >go. 8x writer (CD-R *ONLY*) are a fine thing, but make sure you get media that is certified as 8x, otherwise it won't work reliably at that speed. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 12:27:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22736 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25976; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:19:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25804; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw-es06.hac.com (fw-es06.HAC.COM [128.152.1.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25709; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca ([192.79.100.120]) by fw-es06.hac.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA04750 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hughes.com by ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA27418; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:16:05 -0800 Message-ID: <36FFB540.9C304036@hughes.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:15:44 -0800 From: Jim Marziani X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: (TP750) Playing Audio CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 750Ce running Win 95 with an Panasonic CDROM drive attached through a PCMCIA adaptor. It works fine for data but I can't get it to play audio CDs. When I start the CD Player application the CD spins but no sound. When I try to adjust the volume I get an error message saying that there is no Mixer Device. I downloaded the latest audio drivers from IBM's website but it didn't have a mixer device. Has anyone gotten their TP750 to play audio CDs? Thanks, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 14:00:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24127 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02502; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:48:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02313; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02245; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06022; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:46:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15330; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:39:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: mlemon@hickseq.com, "'Geza Szivos'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'John Kim'" Subject: Looking for TPad and RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inex pensive external Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:39:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, S&F relabels other drives so someone else makes a 8x drive as well I got a S&F 2006plus which is a 2x CD-R only internal drive. For the most part it works good although there has been some bad words said on the JVC drive it is based on ( WR-2020). It took awhile but S&F recently released a firmware ugrade for the 2006+ so I guess they do not totally leave old units high and dry. I would not consider an RW drive until media gets to be like 3 or 4 bucks a disk. I use the CD-R mainly for storage of downloads. Comes in very handy if I got to reinstall operating systems as I have all the updates and drivers handy. In regards the interface for the thinkpad I would recommend SCSI. It seems the SCSI stuff works better (perhaps due to them making SCSI CD-R longer?). I have a tendency to avoid using the printer port for stuff. I have an Adaptec 1460 card and use it with my Zip drive, 8mm type drive, and a scanner. I wonder if USB would be a good solution as well? Put one or two USB ports on a laptop. I noticed that there is a USB zip drive but no CD-RW drives. I am kinda upset as my 365ED's LCD went south (I can still use it on a monitor). I was thinking of getting a better Thinkpad but I hate to be forced into getting another one. I feel it is not worth it to spend $350 or so for another LCD when for $800 or so I could get a better unit. Any recommendations for a thinkpad that is 233 Pentium MMX? Perhaps one of the older 7xx series. Did anything with that class of CPU come with DVD? 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Geza Szivos [SMTP:szivos@ibm.net] Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:11 AM To: mlemon@hickseq.com Cc: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'; 'John Kim' Subject: Re: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external And 8x writer is available. I received mine , PLEXTOR , PlexWriter 8/20. I works great (8X speed) from my desktop IntelliStation and from Thinkpad 770X with the Adaptec PCMCIA card. Of course I select the TEST+Write option. Mark Lemon wrote: > I've read several good reviews on the "Smart and Friendly" line. > > FWIW, unless someone else picked up the technology, they were the only ones > making an 8x writer. > > Speed does matter. Nothing is more frustrating than spending an hour > burning a CD, only to find that it didn't work. SCSI is the only way to > go. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 14:38:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24803 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05712; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:29:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05553; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05540; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id LAA15751; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:29:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36FFD4F2.F830C5B0@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:30:58 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Looking for TPad/DVD $800 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you don't mind having external peripherals, the 560X is a good deal. Now discontinued it sells for ~$1300, but refurbs have been listed at $1000. I have one - got it when it was $1600 refurb. 233MMX, 12.1 TFT, 4 lbs. It's great. You could get an external DVD player + decoder card. If you want built-in DVD capability you will need either a 770 or 600 class machine. I believe the 233MMX versions of the 770 have 13.3/14.1 TFTs for ~$1600-$1900 now, the DVD drive is extra $ and fits in the modular bay. The DVD decoder is also extra $, unfortunately. So a DVD rig will set you back $2000 or more. For $800 you could pick up something in the 760 line, p133-166, but if you really want DVD I think it would be wise to save up for a better machine to play it on. BTW, if you're handy with tools you may want to take a shot at opening the LCD panel, especially if it died suddenly. Various posts on Dejanews have documented opening "sudden-death" LCDs to discover that a wire has come loose or a connection is cracked, and repair costs being zero to a few dollars. Alternatively, if you haven't already done so you may want to contact Man & Machine, who fix non-smashed LCDs - I don't have their number but others on this list can direct you to them - and ask for an evaluation. Cheers Benjamin > I am kinda upset as my 365ED's LCD went south (I can still use it on a > monitor). > I was thinking of getting a better Thinkpad but I hate to be forced into > getting > another one. I feel it is not worth it to spend $350 or so for another LCD > when > for $800 or so I could get a better unit. Any recommendations for a > thinkpad > that is 233 Pentium MMX? Perhaps one of the older 7xx series. Did anything > with that class of CPU come with DVD? > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 14:40:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24884 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06232; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06082; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05976; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (access-isdn1-15.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.145]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA53110 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199903291934.OAA53110@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@mail.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:33:34 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bob Munzenrider Subject: re: Looking for Battery Utility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to a little nudging from Slip, I went looking some more, and found that using the Fn/F2 key combo on the 701 calls up a built-in utility that shows battery status. Thanks, Slip! Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg "In the Shadow of Three Mile Island" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 14:43:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24950 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06121; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06000; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05983; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23212 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Looking for TPad and RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inex pensive external In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > I got a S&F 2006plus which is a 2x CD-R only internal > drive. For the most part it works good although there has > been some bad words said on the JVC drive it is based on ( > WR-2020). I don't think Smart and Friendly actually makes any drives. Their 4x drives were just repackaged Yamahas. Does anyone know who makes their 8x drive? Ricoh? Generally, I've found you can get a better price (minus some bundled software and a clear manual) buying the manufacturer's version. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 14:52:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25138 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08234; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07904; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07883; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03685; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: <031901be7a1d$258424d0$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "John Kim" , References: Subject: Re: Looking for TPad and RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable,inex pensive external Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:48:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: Just as an aside, if you get bundled Adaptec software with the drive, then Adaptec will not support it and you will have to go to the "bundler" for support. I have a Smart & Friendly drive and Adaptec refused to support its EZCD Creator deluxe since it was bundled by SAF. Needless to say, SAF's support was pitiful. My suggestion is that you consider buying a drive that is supported by the software you want to use and buy the software separately if you ever think you'll need support in the future. Personally, I think Adaptec's policy stinks and told them so. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kim To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 14:34 Subject: Re: Looking for TPad and RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable,inex pensive external > > I got a S&F 2006plus which is a 2x CD-R only internal > > drive. For the most part it works good although there has > > been some bad words said on the JVC drive it is based on ( > > WR-2020). > > I don't think Smart and Friendly actually makes any drives. > Their 4x drives were just repackaged Yamahas. Does anyone > know who makes their 8x drive? Ricoh? Generally, I've found > you can get a better price (minus some bundled software and a > clear manual) buying the manufacturer's version. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 15:03:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25268 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08237; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07982; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (pads1.pa.msu.edu [35.8.48.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07951; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id OAA14195; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <36FFD9FB.72034670@pa.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:52:27 -0500 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: HD noise. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How loud should I expect my 560x's hard drive to be? When I first got the machine ~4 weeks ago it was nice and quiet, which I really liked. In the last week it has gotten a lot louder. It's probably about as loud as a desktop's hard drive now. Is that about what I should expect? Any tips for making it quieter? (I've thought about spraying foam insulation in the case j/k :-) Is it bad to set the hard drive to sleep and have it spinning up and down all the time? When I'm writting, I sometimes find the noise irritating. Thanks, Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 15:30:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25608 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11211; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:25:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11002; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10963; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pii333 [205.130.18.34] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A2911A6014A; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:29:05 EST Message-ID: <004a01be7a23$4b234800$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: , "Bob Munzenrider" Subject: Re: Looking for Battery Utility Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: No problem. Still, there should be one in the task bar for Win95. Perhaps you didn't install it(sounds crazy, but that's happened to me before with PCMCIA support-I had to reinstall) -Jamie >Thanks to a little nudging from Slip, I went looking some more, and found >that using the Fn/F2 key combo on the 701 calls up a built-in utility that >shows battery status. Thanks, Slip! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 16:36:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26451 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17040; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:27:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16879; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16860; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id NAA18801; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:27:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36FFF089.5F803516@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:28:41 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: HD noise. References: <36FFD9FB.72034670@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think the HD noise is something you get used to. When I first got my 560X I thought it was silent too, compared to my desktop. Now I think I've gotten accustomed to the quiet, and my ears pick up the HD noise even though it's still quieter than the desktop. As for the drive spinning up and down, I found the whine extremely annoying, to the extent that I set it to *never* spin down. The hum is mildly annoying, but better than silence with frequent whines in between - I save every few minutes when I type documents, so it gets irritating with the drive spinning up every time I save. One solution is to set up a RAM disk, and save your data to the RAM disk. Once you're done, copy it from the RAM disk to the hard drive. That should allow the hard drive to sleep throughout your typing. Your battery acts as a UPS so you won't lose data. Of course if the system crashes you're screwed. Another way, if you can live with the lack of speed, is to save to floppy. That will safeguard your data and keep the hard drive asleep, albeit at a cost of speed. Benjamin Tom Rockwell wrote: > > How loud should I expect my 560x's hard drive to be? When I first got > the machine ~4 weeks ago it was nice and quiet, which I really liked. > In the last week it has gotten a lot louder. It's probably about as > loud as a desktop's hard drive now. Is that about what I should > expect? Any tips for making it quieter? (I've thought about spraying > foam insulation in the case j/k :-) Is it bad to set the hard drive to > sleep and have it spinning up and down all the time? When I'm writting, > I sometimes find the noise irritating. > > Thanks, > Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 16:48:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26620 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18959; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:45:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18852; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18838; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21530 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:45:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <36FFF46C.BDC541EA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:45:16 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600, Win98, and disabling hibernation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP600 that I just restored using the v1.0 restore CD-ROM for Win98. Every time I disable hibernation in the power settings, it deletes the 288MB hibernation file. However, whenever I restart Win98 it recreates it! How do I disable this?!? I don't recall this happening to me in the past. Thanks. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 17:21:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26904 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21400; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:18:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21265; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21230; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.42]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990329221709.FOJ23619@770>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:17:09 +0000 Message-ID: <36FFFB89.4AB8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:15:37 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Marziani CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: (TP750) Playing Audio CDs References: <36FFB540.9C304036@hughes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to send the line out from the player to the line in inoput on the 750 Jim Marziani wrote: > > I have a ThinkPad 750Ce running Win 95 with an Panasonic CDROM drive > attached through a PCMCIA adaptor. It works fine for data but I can't > get it to play audio CDs. When I start the CD Player application the CD > spins but no sound. When I try to adjust the volume I get an error > message saying that there is no Mixer Device. I downloaded the latest > audio drivers from IBM's website but it didn't have a mixer device. > > Has anyone gotten their TP750 to play audio CDs? > > Thanks, > Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 18:32:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27786 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24815; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24686; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24672; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12467; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00103; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:24:33 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Benjamin Koh'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Looking for TPad/DVD $800 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:20:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I seen what looks like good deals at the computer show but I would like to do some research first. Well I can do without the DVD then. The main reason to get it was DVD-ROM stuff but not too much in that department. $1500 or so is my high end. I was looking at a i1410? the other day that seemed nice. I think at P133 to P166 will suit my needs although something more like a 200 would be better. I mentioned 233MMX because that is what I run on my desktop and I am happy with it. I am amazed that the 586 in the 365ED could do some heavy duty stuff like streaming audio but it is alittle sluggish at times. I think some of it is due to the ISA type bus used (I hear the 365XD had a real pentium and PCI but it is a small step up). I used to be a electronics tech (I now do software) so I will check the display out. I still get a backlight and there is still a waveform coming off the inverter board. The voltage on the contrast control changes when I move it and I see signals on some of the pins to the LCD. When I got the 365ED it was cheap due to a bad LCD (it was a chip failure) so I had to get a new LCD panel. Fortunely the 365ED uses a stock panel but it was still $350 bucks. Maybe I should see if these panels have come up as surplus somewhere. I will check my favorite search engine (DejaNews) to see what has been posted. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Benjamin Koh [SMTP:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU] If you don't mind having external peripherals, the 560X is a good deal. Now discontinued it sells for ~$1300, but refurbs have been listed at $1000. I have one - got it when it was $1600 refurb. 233MMX, 12.1 TFT, 4 lbs. It's great. You could get an external DVD player + decoder card. If you want built-in DVD capability you will need either a 770 or 600 class machine. I believe the 233MMX versions of the 770 have 13.3/14.1 TFTs for ~$1600-$1900 now, the DVD drive is extra $ and fits in the modular bay. The DVD decoder is also extra $, unfortunately. So a DVD rig will set you back $2000 or more. For $800 you could pick up something in the 760 line, p133-166, but if you really want DVD I think it would be wise to save up for a better machine to play it on. BTW, if you're handy with tools you may want to take a shot at opening the LCD panel, especially if it died suddenly. Various posts on Dejanews have documented opening "sudden-death" LCDs to discover that a wire has come loose or a connection is cracked, and repair costs being zero to a few dollars. Alternatively, if you haven't already done so you may want to contact Man & Machine, who fix non-smashed LCDs - I don't have their number but others on this list can direct you to them - and ask for an evaluation. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 21:57:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00222 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05432; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:53:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05159; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05142; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-3-78.netgate.com.uy [200.40.6.78]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15205 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:52:43 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: DVD Zone changes experiences Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:46:59 -0300 Message-ID: <000d01be7a57$94edabe0$4e0628c8@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello again to all ! I have a 770 ED with Zone 2 (Europe) DVD. I would like to hear the experiences from users who are using any zone changer software. How often do you change zones ? What about the intern zone changement counter that the machine has and could cause the machine to require a new Software install by IBM ? Now I see DVDs Zone 2 in PAL. Are you able to see for example DVDs Zone 1 in NTSC ? Thanks in advance for any help about that. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 01:25:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA02398 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13095; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:24:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12950; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12933; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-191.gate.net [207.36.212.191]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA148014; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:24:42 -0500 Message-ID: <37006DFD.5EB03BEC@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:23:57 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: HD noise. References: <36FFD9FB.72034670@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom.. if the noise gets too loud, and only you can determine how loud loud IS, then call support.. IRT: spin up, spin down vs. running all the time.. a LONG time ago, (1981-2?) i had a long discussion with an engineer from Priam (HDD mfg. in San Jose) about this very question.. result? no idea! save something from lower spin up hours.. loose something for all the takeoffs and landings.. that was then, this is now, things must have changed.. i would just spin it up and down.. these new drives are made for it.. Tom Rockwell wrote: > How loud should I expect my 560x's hard drive to be? When I first got > the machine ~4 weeks ago it was nice and quiet, which I really liked. > In the last week it has gotten a lot louder. It's probably about as > loud as a desktop's hard drive now. Is that about what I should > expect? Any tips for making it quieter? (I've thought about spraying > foam insulation in the case j/k :-) Is it bad to set the hard drive to > sleep and have it spinning up and down all the time? When I'm writting, > I sometimes find the noise irritating. > > Thanks, > Tom -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 02:42:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02972 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16570; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:39:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16424; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (lakecity-m69.bctel.ca [207.194.28.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16411; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA22556; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: TP600, Win98, and disabling hibernation Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be7a80$62f0bfa0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36FFF46C.BDC541EA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Just take out or comment out (REM) the line in c:\autoexec.bat that reads: C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C This line checks for the existence of a hibernation file. If it does not exist, it creates one. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 1:45 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: TP600, Win98, and disabling hibernation > > > I have a TP600 that I just restored using the v1.0 restore CD-ROM for > Win98. Every time I disable hibernation in the power settings, it > deletes the 288MB hibernation file. However, whenever I restart Win98 > it recreates it! How do I disable this?!? > > I don't recall this happening to me in the past. > > Thanks. > > --Lee Hetherington > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 03:49:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03442 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19795; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:48:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19645; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19613; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA13568; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:45:42 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18599; Tue, 30 Mar 99 09:40:45 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 9:47:32 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad=20= soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but=20= nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case=2E Does anyone know=20= the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them=20= I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as=20= you can have parity=2E I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff=20= chip, and as the error is at 3=2E7MB it will be the last one=2E Any advice in this area would be appreciated=2E - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 04:13:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA03566 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21022; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:12:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20906; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20805; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA22603 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:13:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990330041418.015edc9c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:14:18 -0500 To: thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: FS: 770ED, 770, 760XD In-Reply-To: <37006DFD.5EB03BEC@icanect.net> References: <36FFD9FB.72034670@pa.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I recently ordered a 770z and two 770x's for my company. As a result, we have three units for sale (Two from upgrades, one goes out to pasture). The 770ED is up for auction on ebay, but a fair and equitable offer will remove it from the selling block. The other two will be cleaned up and returned to their original boxes (complete with docs, pack-ins). Units are in immaculate condition, and all were used by developers/networking people who take pride in their equipment and its condition. All are complete, as company policy puts all extras that aren't used in storage: 770ED (9549-5AU): P2-266 128megs of memory 8.1gig 14.1" TFT DVD 770 (9549-1AU) P233MMX 128megs o memory 5.1gig 14.1" TFT 24x CD-ROM 760XD (9546-X9E) P166MMX 104megs of memory 8x-20x CD-ROM 3gig HD 12.1" TFT XGA ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 08:59:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05323 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05135; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:57:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05019; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05006; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:56:20 -0500 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id IAA02768 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:55:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:54:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HD "buzz" List-Unsubscribe: I know a similar thread was discussed recently, but I didn't have my new HD installed at the time and the messages are gone from my trash now. TP600: I've installed my new IBM 6.4GB HD in the primary bay, and my old 4.0GB HD in the UltraSlimBay adapter. There's a relatively loud rattle when I access the new HD ("relatively" because it's not actually loud, the old HD just may no noise at all). I'm not too concerned about that, it actually sounds like my old 10MB drive >from years ago [which weighed more than my whole TP does!]. But there's also a buzz all the time. It's hard to describe, but in some ways it sounds like the buzz you hear under high-voltage wires (no I don't think it's a high-voltage!). I just shut down and popped the Ultraslimbay adapter. The buzz is still there so it's definitely the new 6.4GB drive. Any ideas? Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 09:41:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05673 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07285; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:39:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07165; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07148; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id GAA14981 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990330063643.00c09470@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:39:04 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 In-Reply-To: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For those who don't get the IBM announcement letter, IBM made the following announcement today (March 30, 1999): Overview Effective March 30, 1999, IBM will withdraw the following products >from marketing. After that date, you can no longer obtain these products directly from IBM. These products can be obtained on an as-available basis through IBM authorized distributors and resellers. Machine Type/ Order Description Model Number ThinkPad(R) 390 (U.S. and Canada English) 32 TFT Pentium(TM) 233 3.2 GB 24X 2626-20U 262620U Windows(TM) 98 32 TFT Pentium 233 3.2 GB 24X Windows 98 2626-50U 262650U 64 TFT Pentium 266 4.3 GB 24X Windows 98 2626-70U 262670U ThinkPad 380Z (U.S. and Canada English) 32 TFT Pentium 233 4.0 GB 24X Windows 98 2635-HGU 2635HGU ThinkPad 560Z (U.S. and Canada English) 32 TFT Pentium 233 4.0 GB N Windows 98 2640-90U 264090U 32 TFT Pentium 233 4.0 GB N 2640-91U 264091U Windows NT(R) 4.0 ThinkPad 600 (U.S. and Canada English) 32 TFT Pentium 233 3.2 GB 24X Windows 95 2645-35U 264535U 32 TFT Pentium 266 4.0 GB 24X Windows 95 2645-51U 264551U ThinkPad 600E (U.S. and Canada English) 64 TFT Pentium 300 6.4 GB DVD Windows 98 2645-55U 264555U U.S. Authorized Assembler Program (AAP) ThinkPad 380Z 32 TFT Pentium 300 24X 2635-JCU 2635JCU ThinkPad 600 32 TFT Pentium 266 2645-A2U 2645A2U ThinkPad 600E 32 TFT Pentium 300 2645-A5U 2645A5U ThinkPad 770E 32 TFT Pentium 266 9548-53U 954853U Replacement Product Information Machine Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type ThinkPad 380Z ThinkPad 390E 2626 ThinkPad 390 ThinkPad 390E (New Models) 2626 ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 ThinkPad 600 ThinkPad 600E (New Models) 2645 ThinkPad 600E ThinkPad 600E (New Models) 2645 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 10:23:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06045 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10800; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10632; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10617; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26179; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:01 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3700EBA5.23A05CBA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:05 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600, Win98, and disabling hibernation References: <000d01be7a80$62f0bfa0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I thought, and I may be incorrect, that ps2 used to be smart enough to not create the hibernation file if hibernation was disabled. So, if I remove the ps2 hfile command, and later re-enable hibernation will the file get created? If not, will the ThinkPad hibernate into the wrong place destroying files? It doesn't seem that I should have to edit autoexec.bat if I enable/disable hibernation. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 11:38:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06962 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19155; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:36:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18827; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (mx.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18696; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (host-220.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.220] (may be forged)) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24711; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0003981F; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:42:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:42:12 -0800 Message-ID: <0003981F.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Re[2]: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive exter To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, David Goldman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: Not to diss Smart-and-Friendly, especially since I have one on my desk, but they are just re-labelled Yamaha recorders. You can buy OEM-Yamaha's from just about anyone. One of my preferred vendors is www.megahaus.com (not affiliated, just satisfied). Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: CD-R drives - looking for reliable, inexpensive external Author: David Goldman at Internet Date: 3/29/99 8:54 AM At 08:04 AM 3/29/99 , Mark Lemon wrote: >I've read several good reviews on the "Smart and Friendly" line. > >FWIW, unless someone else picked up the technology, they were the only ones >making an 8x writer. > >Speed does matter. Nothing is more frustrating than spending an hour >burning a CD, only to find that it didn't work. SCSI is the only way to >go. 8x writer (CD-R *ONLY*) are a fine thing, but make sure you get media that is certified as 8x, otherwise it won't work reliably at that speed. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 13:07:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08146 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26550; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:05:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26334; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26300; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc2-142.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.142]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27398 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:05:14 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: DVD Zone changes experiences Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:05:03 -0300 Message-ID: <000001be7ad7$d5e27ce0$8e7603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello again to all ! I have a 770 ED with Zone 2 (Europe) DVD. I would like to hear the experiences from users who are using any zone changer software. How often do you change zones ? What about the intern zone changement counter that the machine has and could cause the machine to require a new Software install by IBM ? Now I see DVDs Zone 2 in PAL. Are you able to see for example DVDs Zone 1 in NTSC ? Thanks in advance for any help about that. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 14:19:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09216 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00894; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:16:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00645; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00616; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-191.usc.edu [128.125.224.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA20500; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:16:08 -0800 To: David Goldman , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990330063643.00c09470@shell9.ba.best.com> References: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:39 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: > Machine >Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type > >ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a replacement--they're bigger by a full inch in depth, thicker, and a pound heavier. Don't get me wrong, I love my 600, but as good as it is, the 560 was much slicker. I only have the 600 because I wanted a CD & some modularity (well, that and my 560 suffered an early death when it met the kitchen floor at high-speed). Granted, the 560 is a clunker compared to some of the latest thin & light machines, but it *was* the *original* thin & light. You'd think they would have come up with an *actual* replacement for it before they up and said, "oh, just buy a 600 instead". I don't intend to buy a new laptop anytime soon, but from where I stand, the newer Toshiba Portege's are looking *really* nice as ultralights go... - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 14:43:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09586 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02597; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:40:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02422; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02391; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-191.usc.edu [128.125.224.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA00307 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:40:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990330113435.00a6ad50@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:40:20 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990330112237.00bf6d20@shell9.ba.best.com> References: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990330063643.00c09470@shell9.ba.best.com> <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:24 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >>> Machine >>>Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type >>> >>>ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 >> >> The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a >Take a deep breath and read again, S-L-O-W-L-Y. OK? > >What the announcement said was that the ThinkPad 560Z was dead, not the entire >560 series! And the 560Z was replaced by the 600E. That is ALL it said. > >Better? I thought the 560Z was the *only* member of the 560 series still in production. If its dead, and the replacement is one of the flavors of 600, then there isn't any 560's left. But I guess there's a couple of flavors within the Z version, and the one being killed off is the 233 MHz, which leaves the 300 MHz still in production (I think). - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 14:59:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09897 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03692; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:51:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03576; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net (relay6.smtp.psi.net [38.9.30.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03405; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay6.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10S4XE-00059L-00; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:50:53 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9EA8B@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Randal Whittle , David Goldman , TP List Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:49:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: A few weeks ago I saw a article about a new Thinkpad - the 570. It's a "Transformer". Starts out as a 7 pound machine for the desktop and can be "transformed" to a sub 4 pound traveling machine! Anyone know more about it? Regards, Neil Halvey TP 770, 600, 701 -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 2:16 PM To: David Goldman; TP List Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 At 06:39 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: > Machine >Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type > >ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a replacement--they're bigger by a full inch in depth, thicker, and a pound heavier. Don't get me wrong, I love my 600, but as good as it is, the 560 was much slicker. I only have the 600 because I wanted a CD & some modularity (well, that and my 560 suffered an early death when it met the kitchen floor at high-speed). Granted, the 560 is a clunker compared to some of the latest thin & light machines, but it *was* the *original* thin & light. You'd think they would have come up with an *actual* replacement for it before they up and said, "oh, just buy a 600 instead". I don't intend to buy a new laptop anytime soon, but >from where I stand, the newer Toshiba Portege's are looking *really* nice as ultralights go... - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 15:25:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10323 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06172; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:23:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06003; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from astor.interport.net (astor.interport.net [199.184.165.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05984; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pritzr (arcts1p190.port.net [207.237.110.190]) by astor.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00417; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:24:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990330152148.009da650@pop.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:23:45 -0500 To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" From: richard Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9EA8B@exch1.smh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:49 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > A few weeks ago I saw a article about a new Thinkpad - the 570. It's a >"Transformer". Starts out as a 7 pound machine for the desktop and can be >"transformed" to a sub 4 pound traveling machine! Anyone know more about >it? PCWeek ran two articles on the subject. I posted the address a few weeks ago. Search www.pcweek.com for "thinkpad 570" and you should find them. 13.3" screen, 366mhz, 3.5 lbs for the traveling part. Announcement expected late April. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 21:47:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14612 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26209; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:41:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25767; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25728; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-110.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.110]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA28478 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:39:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990330214341.00f7eaf4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:43:41 -0500 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: 770z vs. 770ED In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990330113435.00a6ad50@rcf.usc.edu> References: <4.1.19990330112237.00bf6d20@shell9.ba.best.com> <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990330063643.00c09470@shell9.ba.best.com> <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Before I take the time to research this question, can anyone tell me WHY did Intel lower the cache on the P2-366 Mobile processor to 256k from 512k on the P2-266/300 Mobile processors? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Mar 30 23:12:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15540 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29205; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:10:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29106; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29093; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (txmia1-185.gate.net [207.234.163.185]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA324550; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:10:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3701A00C.1C943EF6@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:09:48 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: HD "buzz" References: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew... some have a higher noise level than others... some have a higher sensitivity to slight variations in noise level.. i have a 5.1gig drive here i can't sell because it is REALLY noisey... uhh, anyone want a great deal in a 5.1gig drive..?? :-) Andrew Webber wrote: > I know a similar thread was discussed recently, but I didn't have > my new HD installed at the time and the messages are gone from my > trash now. > > TP600: I've installed my new IBM 6.4GB HD in the primary bay, and > my > old 4.0GB HD in the UltraSlimBay adapter. There's a relatively > loud rattle when I access the new HD ("relatively" because it's not > actually loud, the old HD just may no noise at all). I'm not too > concerned about that, it actually sounds like my old 10MB drive > from years ago [which weighed more than my whole TP does!]. > > But there's also a buzz all the time. It's hard to describe, but > in some ways it sounds like the buzz you hear under high-voltage > wires (no I don't think it's a high-voltage!). I just shut down > and popped the Ultraslimbay adapter. The buzz is still there so > it's definitely the new 6.4GB drive. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 07:00:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18484 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23798; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:58:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23657; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (IDENT:kim@fantasia.stormhaven.org [12.5.48.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23642; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA04354 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:58:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Randal Whittle wrote: > The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a > replacement--they're bigger by a full inch in depth, thicker, and a pound It (and the 600) are probably going to be replaced by the 570 which others have been talking about in this thread. Basically, it's a 560 that turns into a 600 when you need the CD and floppy. (Or a 600 that turns into a 560 when you don't need it. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 08:28:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19186 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26737; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:27:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26603; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cavecreations.com (cave@cavecreations.com [192.41.27.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26590; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id GAA20850; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:26:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:26:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903311326.GAA20850@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD won't spin down anymore? List-Unsubscribe: All this talk about drive noise, and now I'm hearing it on my 600E (well, maybe it's psychological). To add to the fun, I'm not sure what happened... but my hard drive seems reluctant to spin down these days, in Linux or 98. It does eventually spin down, but what seems to happen is that every so often, the HD does clicks off a read and so the countdown to HD sleep is reset (I have it set for 2 min). I only really noticed this during the last week. It happens in both Linux and Win98, so I'm wondering what could be going on? -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 15:55:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24715 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25911; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:50:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25594; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25570; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20550; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37028A64.7DC041E1@ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:49:40 -0800 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Nancy Peponis Subject: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The automatic "welcome to the list" message I got suggested that I introduce myself and my Thinkpad. I'm Steve Augart. I use a 266 Mhz Thinkpad 600 (type 2645-51U), 160M RAM, 3.9G hard disk. The Thinkpad belongs to my research grant at work. It's a lot of fun, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I use it at home via a Netwave PCMCIA wireless card, with the Netwave/Xircom base station connected to my desktop PC. (The desktop pc is on a cable modem connection) For personal use, including my wife's marketing consulting business, I was thinking of buying one of the closeout Thinkpad 770s (only $1200!). However, the model I'm thinking of, (Part No: 954830U; Pentium MMX, 233 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 4.0 GB HD, 13.3 Active Matrix Display) does not have a CD-ROM drive. I'm wondering how irritating in practice people have found the lack of a CD-ROM drive. As an alternative, are there external CD ROM drives I can attach, and what do they cost? All I'd need it for would be to install software (Windows 98, the PalmPilot utilities, and M.S. Office for starters). I'm not sure it's even possible to get Windows 98 and MS Office on floppy disks any more. Thanks, --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 16:41:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25279 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29104; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:38:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28979; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28944; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.101.58.101 ([209.101.58.101]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11121; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: dgoldman@best.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:44:45 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: They discontinued the 701 with ungodly haste, but sooner or later some computer will fit the same form factor. The semi-official reason for the 701's demise was the need for more surface area to dissipate the Pentium's heat (701 was 75 MHz 486 at best). I wonder if the latest advancements in low voltage could change that equation. The other semi-official reason was that LCD screens were getting bigger so that the butterfly keyboard was no longer needed. There's certainly a price / performance tradeoff there, but in my opinion, a high QUALITY screen such as the 701's is more important than raw real estate. After all, you're never looking at more than a tiny part of the screen at one time anyway. In article <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu>, you wrote: :At 06:39 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: :> Machine :>Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type :> :>ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 : : The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a :replacement--they're bigger by a full inch in depth, thicker, and a pound :heavier. Don't get me wrong, I love my 600, but as good as it is, the 560 :was much slicker. I only have the 600 because I wanted a CD & some :modularity (well, that and my 560 suffered an early death when it met the :kitchen floor at high-speed). : [...] -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 16:46:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25373 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29294; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:40:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29147; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.eni.net (mail1.eni.net [205.214.51.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29069; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209.101.58.101 ([209.101.58.101]) by mail1.eni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26818; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD "buzz" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:59:43 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Lines: 53 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I bought an IBM 6.4 GB HD (the DADA series, I like that, hope it doesn't scramble my data, but you know, it's not ever a question of if, it is a question of when). It is now happily installed on my 701. The sound is perhaps a bit louder than the original 720 MB drive, but slightly lower-pitched, so on balance I'd say it's less annoying, slightly. The anti-static bag for this drive carried a message that the sound (sorry, I don't remember the noun used: click ? scrape ? but you could interpret it as a rattle.) was normal, I guess to assuage all our fears. I don't hear a buzz, but maybe I need a quieter room. When I power down the HD with Fn-F6, I don't hear the computer at all! In article <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com>, you wrote: :I know a similar thread was discussed recently, but I didn't have :my new HD installed at the time and the messages are gone from my :trash now. : :TP600: I've installed my new IBM 6.4GB HD in the primary bay, and :my :old 4.0GB HD in the UltraSlimBay adapter. There's a relatively :loud rattle when I access the new HD ("relatively" because it's not :actually loud, the old HD just may no noise at all). I'm not too :concerned about that, it actually sounds like my old 10MB drive :from years ago [which weighed more than my whole TP does!]. : :But there's also a buzz all the time. It's hard to describe, but :in some ways it sounds like the buzz you hear under high-voltage :wires (no I don't think it's a high-voltage!). I just shut down :and popped the Ultraslimbay adapter. The buzz is still there so :it's definitely the new 6.4GB drive. : :Any ideas? : :Thanks! : : : :andrew :------ :my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 17:06:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25629 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01463; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:03:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01075; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (www0v.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01044; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15115 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 1999 22:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990331220236.15114.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Wed Mar 31 22:02:36 GMT 1999 Date: 31 Mar 99 16:02:36 CST From: Rob Bell To: Steven Augart , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] CC: Nancy Peponis X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Welcome to the list! First of all, the 770 you're looking at is a great PC. That's the exact = model I use. Loaded up with memory (I have 128MB) it runs respecably fast. I'= m sure it is a ways behind a PII 300 or 366, but for the kinds of moderatel= y intensive things I use it for (web development, VB, MSOffice apps, browsi= ng, etc.) it is more than adequate. I run NT4 on it. Secondly, don't let the lack of a CD-ROM deter you from buying the PC if = you think it is a good deal. The CD-ROM on the 770 is a modular unit that ea= sily swaps places with the floppy in the ultrabay. It should be available for= sale >from many sources for a reasonable price (under $100??). Check www.shopper.com or with Bill Morrow (www.thinkpads.com) who frequents thi= s list. You will want to get one, though, unless you will always have acce= ss to networking the PC to another PC with a CD drive. = HTH, Rob Steven Augart wrote: [snip] > For personal use, including my wife's marketing consulting business, I = was thinking of buying one of the closeout Thinkpad 770s (only $1200!). Howev= er, the model I'm thinking of, (Part No: 954830U; Pentium MMX, 233 MHz, 32 MB= RAM, 4.0 GB HD, 13.3 Active Matrix Display) does not have a CD-ROM drive. > = > I'm wondering how irritating in practice people have found the lack of = a CD-ROM drive. As an alternative, are there external CD ROM drives I can attach, and what do they cost? All I'd need it for would be to install software (Windows 98, the PalmPilot utilities, and M.S. Office for starte= rs). = I'm not sure it's even possible to get Windows 98 and MS Office on flopp= y disks any more. > = > Thanks, > = > --Steve Augart ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 17:29:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25932 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02865; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02700; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02661; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07021; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12944; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:26:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:22:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Steven Augart , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Rob Bell'" Cc: Nancy Peponis Subject: RE: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:22:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Thanks for the great info. 1200 is in my price range and I run a 233MMX for a desktop with 64 Megs and it does a good job (even better since I put a 7200 RPM IBM 12.9 Gigabyte drive in it). I realized that a laptop will not work as fast as a desktop of the same speed but it should be faster than the 365ED. So I will look into this. It looks like I will get to looking at the LCD on the 365ED over the weekend. I been having fun installing both a 12.9 Gig HD and Windows 98 on my desktop. I had trouble with the 8.4 gig limit as my bios was not setup to recognize all of the disk. No problem with OS/2 (and I suspect NT) but win95 seems to go by what the bios says instead of checking for itself. The system has a older Intel MB that I got for $15 but the original system maker actually had a bios upgrade on their web site so I am now in business! I suspect that this 8.4 Gig HD limit will affect putting new (or future) 2.5" drives into older laptops much like the earlier limits where for computers without Bios HD translation. I was surprised that the 365 laptop had translation considering they only offered up to a 720 HD with it. A 1 Gig worked fine but I did have to use OnTrack DM for the 3 Gig as Win95 did not support the translation method used by the BIOS. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble,com ---------- From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Welcome to the list! First of all, the 770 you're looking at is a great PC. That's the exact model I use. Loaded up with memory (I have 128MB) it runs respecably fast. I'm sure it is a ways behind a PII 300 or 366, but for the kinds of moderately intensive things I use it for (web development, VB, MSOffice apps, browsing, etc.) it is more than adequate. I run NT4 on it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 18:10:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26365 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05220; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:07:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05050; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04973; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA19219 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:04:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from cin-oh18-44.ix.netcom.com(207.220.163.44) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019182; Wed Mar 31 17:04:14 1999 Message-ID: <001b01be7bca$9c10a7a0$2ca3dccf@mike-prunty> From: "Mike Prunty" To: Subject: Help! Need to upgrade the hd on a 360xd.. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE7BA0.B15564E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE7BA0.B15564E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know how to get to the drive. Can anyone point me to a resource. -mike=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE7BA0.B15564E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't know how to get to the = drive.  Can=20 anyone point me to a resource.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE7BA0.B15564E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 19:13:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26978 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09131; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:11:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09003; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08982; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06381; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3702B998.ED1B67DA@ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:11:04 -0800 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Nancy Peponis Subject: Re: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] References: <19990331220236.15114.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all for the warm welcome. The $1200 TP 770 appears to be sold out from Comp USA net; the next best price, from a Seattle company called "ex/portable", is $1500 -- not nearly as attractive. I'll have to think about that one; the $1200 was a no-brainer, once I learned about the cd-rom drive. (And if anyone spots a similar price on a closeout, do let me know. A sub-2000 price on an active matrix 13.3" TP600 would also be very welcome :)) It is very helpful to know that there is a CD-rom drive that fits in the 770's ultrabay. I'm looking forward to learning a lot from this list and hopefully occasionally contributing useful facts too. --Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 20:52:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27848 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12540; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:21:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12073; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12032; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:21:02 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: 701C sound and modem chipset ? Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:23:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01be7bde$47fa6160$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know which chipset the TP 701 used for it's modem and sound ? I seem to remember a Yamaha DSP ???? Thoughts ? Peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 21:06:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27953 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13316; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13158; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13144; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28379 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 1999 02:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990401020449.28378.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Thu Apr 1 02:04:49 GMT 1999 Date: 31 Mar 99 20:04:49 CST From: Rob Bell To: Steven Augart Subject: Re: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: The 770 ultrabay also accepts things like a second hard drive, a ZIP driv= e, an LS120 drive, DVD, etc. It is very useful. I use mine mainly with a seco= nd hard drive installed (salvaged from my last ThinkPad, a 760EL). That way= I can boot to either NT or Win98 from a simple NT boot menu, but yet retain= two separate, individual, and independent O/S environments. Hopefully you can find a 770 that meets your budget... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 21:47:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28317 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15123; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:45:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14964; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14943; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-009.usc.edu [128.125.225.9]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA19081; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:44:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990331145020.00b61e20@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:54:25 -0800 To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:44 AM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: >The semi-official reason for the 701's demise was the need for >more surface area to dissipate the Pentium's heat (701 was 75 >MHz 486 at best). I wonder if the latest advancements in low >voltage could change that equation. > >The other semi-official reason was that LCD screens were >getting bigger so that the butterfly keyboard was no longer >needed. There's certainly a price / performance tradeoff >there, but in my opinion, a high QUALITY screen such as the >701's is more important than raw real estate. After all, >you're never looking at more than a tiny part of the screen at >one time anyway. Apparently you don't use the screen real estate for anything more than e-mail or word processing, or you'd not feel that way. Get a good spreadsheet going and you'd see why larger & higher-res. screens are useful--instantly. And for what its worth, the 701's screen was better than the 750C I once had. But the 560 I got after the 701 (the 560's screen was 800x600, 12.1") was even better than the 701's, and the 600's screen I now have (1024x768, 13.3") is better still. Its almost worth using in bright sunlight. In a nutshell, the screens have gotten bigger, higher-res, *and* better quality. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 23:18:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29060 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18769; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:16:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18606; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18587; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-47.gate.net [199.227.131.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA450226; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3702F306.4CBC4CE3@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:16:06 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albert C. Lee" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD won't spin down anymore? References: <199903311326.GAA20850@cavecreations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: normally i would say there is some maverick app accessing the drive.. but in both linux and win9x.. ?? i suggest that you thinkback to the last change you made, just before this anomoly appeared.. :-) Albert C. Lee wrote: > All this talk about drive noise, and now I'm hearing it on my 600E > (well, maybe it's psychological). > > To add to the fun, I'm not sure what happened... but my hard drive > seems reluctant to spin down these days, in Linux or 98. It does > eventually spin down, but what seems to happen is that every so often, > the HD does clicks off a read and so the countdown to HD sleep is > reset (I have it set for 2 min). I only really noticed this during > the last week. It happens in both Linux and Win98, so I'm wondering > what could be going on? > > -Al > > -- > Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 23:24:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29115 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19175; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:22:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18984; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18965; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-47.gate.net [199.227.131.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA313008; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:22:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3702F46F.36DE7461@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:22:07 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: Rob Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Nancy Peponis Subject: Re: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] References: <19990331220236.15114.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> <3702B998.ED1B67DA@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven.. i suggest that you wait for the right used or refurbished or closeout thinkpad 770 to come along.. the 770Z is coming out and this is driving down the prices on the older machines... Steven Augart wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome. > > The $1200 TP 770 appears to be sold out from Comp USA net; the next best price, from a Seattle company called "ex/portable", is $1500 -- not nearly as attractive. I'll have to think about that one; the $1200 was a no-brainer, once I learned about the cd-rom drive. (And if anyone spots a similar price on a closeout, do let me know. A sub-2000 price on an active matrix 13.3" TP600 would also be very welcome :)) > > It is very helpful to know that there is a CD-rom drive that fits in the 770's ultrabay. > > I'm looking forward to learning a lot from this list and hopefully occasionally contributing useful facts too. > > --Steve -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 23:27:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29162 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19578; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:26:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19410; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19352; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-47.gate.net [199.227.131.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA25170; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:26:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3702F52D.7EDDEB1C@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:25:17 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Prunty CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help! Need to upgrade the hd on a 360xd.. References: <001b01be7bca$9c10a7a0$2ca3dccf@mike-prunty> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------14F7770CE1030E4DC50FC321" List-Unsubscribe: --------------14F7770CE1030E4DC50FC321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.. how big a drive do you need.. ? :-) Mike Prunty wrote: > Don't know how to get to the drive. Can anyone point me to a > resource. -mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------14F7770CE1030E4DC50FC321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm..

how big a drive do you need.. ?  :-)

Mike Prunty wrote:

 Don't know how to get to the drive.  Can anyone point me to a resource. -mike
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------14F7770CE1030E4DC50FC321-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 23:37:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29267 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20372; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:35:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20107; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20082; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-47.gate.net [199.227.131.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA269986; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3702F793.8685F7C7@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:35:31 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C sound and modem chipset ? References: <01be7bde$47fa6160$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter... the 701 manual does not say, the driver that win95B loads is an ESS ES688... i can look at a naked 701 system board and try to identify the sound chip.. but why do you need this info..?? :-) peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Does anyone know which chipset the TP 701 > used for it's modem and sound ? > I seem to remember a Yamaha DSP ???? > > Thoughts ? > > Peter.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Mar 31 23:52:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29396 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21104; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:51:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20981; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from web706.mail.yahoo.com (web706.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20921; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:49:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401045013.18479.rocketmail@web706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.252.208.8] by web706.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:50:13 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:50:13 -0800 (PST) From: Shahram Javey Subject: Re: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 To: Steven Augart , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Nancy Peponis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you're on a network, then you wont miss the CD one bit. If you're not, then you should buy a network card for your TP and access your desktop CD. Win98 and NT can both be installed via the network. Have fun...sj --- Steven Augart wrote: > The automatic "welcome to the list" message I got > suggested that I introduce myself and my Thinkpad. > > I'm Steve Augart. I use a 266 Mhz Thinkpad 600 (type > 2645-51U), 160M RAM, 3.9G hard disk. > > The Thinkpad belongs to my research grant at work. > It's a lot of fun, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I use > it at home via a Netwave PCMCIA wireless card, with > the Netwave/Xircom base station connected to my > desktop PC. (The desktop pc is on a cable modem > connection) > > For personal use, including my wife's marketing > consulting business, I was thinking of buying one of > the closeout Thinkpad 770s (only $1200!). However, > the model I'm thinking of, (Part No: 954830U; Pentium > MMX, 233 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 4.0 GB HD, 13.3 Active > Matrix Display) does not have a CD-ROM drive. > > I'm wondering how irritating in practice people have > found the lack of a CD-ROM drive. As an alternative, > are there external CD ROM drives I can attach, and > what do they cost? All I'd need it for would be to > install software (Windows 98, the PalmPilot > utilities, and M.S. Office for starters). I'm not > sure it's even possible to get Windows 98 and MS > Office on floppy disks any more. > > Thanks, > > --Steve Augart > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com