From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 00:56:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00185 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23560; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:54:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23430; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23384; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-81.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.81]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11218 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:52:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990401005605.006d4e84@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:56:05 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: FS: 770ED *SOLD*, 770 *SOLD*, 760 In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> <199903301355.IAA02768@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The 770ED and 770 are sold. the 760 is still available. Asking $1100 shipped. (Since I seemed to have forgotten that *tidbit*). If you don't get the 760 quickly enough, I can always substitute a killer 755 486DX2/50 with 4 megs (J/K for the humor impaired out there ). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 11:04:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05046 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21969; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:00:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21650; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21605; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31650; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:00:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22007; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2CSWDJ76>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Steven Augart , "'Rob Bell'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, That is why I think it is better to get an older 7xx machine than the newer 3xx with the same processor. The 7xx seems to have more features and more options (if you can still get them). The 770 seems current enough for both good deals and still available options. Before I buy I need to learn more about the 770, 760, etc models (past and present) so I have a good idea of what is available. 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net ---------- From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:05 PM To: Steven Augart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770] The 770 ultrabay also accepts things like a second hard drive, a ZIP drive, an LS120 drive, DVD, etc. It is very useful. I use mine mainly with a second hard drive installed (salvaged from my last ThinkPad, a 760EL). That way I can boot to either NT or Win98 from a simple NT boot menu, but yet retain two separate, individual, and independent O/S environments. Hopefully you can find a 770 that meets your budget... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 11:14:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05139 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22605; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:11:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22464; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22436; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23881; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:11:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01445; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:11:14 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2CSWDJ8P>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Steven Augart , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Shahram Javey'" Cc: Nancy Peponis Subject: RE: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, The problem I have is the Laptop is used as a car navigation system. Other than copying street atlas or mapngo to my HD, I need the CD. It is also nice if you want to restore the HD after an upgrade or a crash. On some of the Thinkpads like the 365 series you really need to get one with the CD-ROM if you need it. You can use an external one but it is just one more thing to carry. I can do with out a floppy drive more than the CD-ROM so an external Floppy is not a bad situation. It looks like the higher series ones with a bay are a better situation as the CD-ROM can be added later. On an old NCR I had I used an external CD and it hooked into a Adaptec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card. If I was going to get a portable CD package I would try to get a SCSI based one that the SCSI card could be used for other devices. It is nice being able to use my 8MM tape drive to backup the laptop. I like SCSI and stay away from printer port stuff as you usually have to nake sure it is setup properly as a ECP or EPP port and then it is still slow. I do find it better to have a CD-ROM drive that is built-in. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Shahram Javey [SMTP:javey@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:50 PM To: Steven Augart; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Nancy Peponis Subject: Re: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 If you're on a network, then you wont miss the CD one bit. If you're not, then you should buy a network card for your TP and access your desktop CD. Win98 and NT can both be installed via the network. Have fun...sj --- Steven Augart wrote: > The automatic "welcome to the list" message I got > suggested that I introduce myself and my Thinkpad. > > I'm Steve Augart. I use a 266 Mhz Thinkpad 600 (type > 2645-51U), 160M RAM, 3.9G hard disk. > > The Thinkpad belongs to my research grant at work. > It's a lot of fun, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I use > it at home via a Netwave PCMCIA wireless card, with > the Netwave/Xircom base station connected to my > desktop PC. (The desktop pc is on a cable modem > connection) > > For personal use, including my wife's marketing > consulting business, I was thinking of buying one of > the closeout Thinkpad 770s (only $1200!). However, > the model I'm thinking of, (Part No: 954830U; Pentium > MMX, 233 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 4.0 GB HD, 13.3 Active > Matrix Display) does not have a CD-ROM drive. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 12:03:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05762 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28088; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:01:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27967; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (root@avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27952; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA05152 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:00:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA24285 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:00:10 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904011700.TAA24285@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: 701C sound and modem chipset ? In-Reply-To: <3702F793.8685F7C7@icanect.net> from Bill Morrow at "Mar 31, 99 11:35:31 pm" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:00:10 +0200 (MDT) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > the 701 manual does not say, the driver that win95B loads is an ESS > ES688... > > > Does anyone know which chipset the TP 701 > > used for it's modem and sound ? > > I seem to remember a Yamaha DSP ???? http://reality.sgi.com/mende/linuxTP701/ claims: Kernel claims that there is a ESS ES1688 AudioDrive (rev 6) and a Yamaha OPL3 FM in the box. According to slepnir@netcom.com the chip is a ESS688 which is the same as the ESS1688 but without the hardware midi support. Hope this helps Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 12:26:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06107 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00435; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:22:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00240; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00224; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cv72968-a ([24.228.45.27]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990401172214.TWCY10529.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@cv72968-a> for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:22:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990401120841.019bb7b0@pop4.ibm.net> X-Sender: wcachen@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:14:42 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Wyn Achenbaum Subject: Power supply for 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My two year old TP 560 came with an AC Adaptor, of course, but I would like to be able to plug it in in many places in my home, without moving the AC adaptor from place to place. What are the issues for alternatives to the one that came with it? CompUSA sells a 6-way AC Adaptor, mzae by Sentry, but it only goes up to 12 volt, and my TP adaptor says 16 volt. (And the 6-way mentions many uses, but not a computer.) Who makes alternative AC Adaptors for my 560? How much should I expect to pay? Wyn Achenbaum From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 13:12:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06708 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04670; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:09:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04538; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04504; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12359; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:09:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA27493; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:09:36 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2CSWDKCC>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Wyn Achenbaum'" Subject: RE: Power supply for 560 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:05:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have seen Targus ones as well that mention programable voltage (through the plug used). They mention various thinkpad models but I forgot if the 560 was mentioned. I know the 365 is mentioned and that is a 16 volt (at least the 365ED). I forget the price as well. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Wyn Achenbaum [SMTP:wyn@ibm.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 12:15 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Power supply for 560 My two year old TP 560 came with an AC Adaptor, of course, but I would like to be able to plug it in in many places in my home, without moving the AC adaptor from place to place. What are the issues for alternatives to the one that came with it? CompUSA sells a 6-way AC Adaptor, mzae by Sentry, but it only goes up to 12 volt, and my TP adaptor says 16 volt. (And the 6-way mentions many uses, but not a computer.) Who makes alternative AC Adaptors for my 560? How much should I expect to pay? Wyn Achenbaum From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 13:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07152 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07012; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:43:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06805; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06737; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-11.gate.net [199.227.131.74]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA346066; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:43:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3703BE1B.B8DC5B51@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:42:35 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wyn Achenbaum CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Power supply for 560 References: <4.1.19990401120841.019bb7b0@pop4.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wyn.. any round plug IBM ac adapter will work fine on most any thinkpad with the round socket.. i.e. 701, 365, 560,770 and most likely the "i" series and the 380 series.. i suggest that you get a new one from IBM or any direct vendor, or advertise to buy a used one.. cost is around $50 (new) and can vary depending upon target machine.. suggest more of the 560 variety.. Wyn Achenbaum wrote: > My two year old TP 560 came with an AC Adaptor, of course, but I would like > to be able to plug it in in many places in my home, without moving the AC > adaptor from place to place. What are the issues for alternatives to the > one that came with it? CompUSA sells a 6-way AC Adaptor, mzae by Sentry, > but it only goes up to 12 volt, and my TP adaptor says 16 volt. (And the > 6-way mentions many uses, but not a computer.) > > Who makes alternative AC Adaptors for my 560? How much should I expect to > pay? > > Wyn Achenbaum -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 14:04:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07423 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08492; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:57:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08370; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08352; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cueve (dynamic41.fbtc.net [204.2.11.41]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14667; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:56:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010501be7c70$dae25540$290b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "Steven Augart" , , "'Shahram Javey'" Cc: "Nancy Peponis" Subject: Re: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:52:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: My 365XD has an internal CD and external floppy. I think they made a lot of combinations. Personally I'd prefer the floppy to be internal but it doesn't really matter much. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Cottrell, Eric To: Steven Augart ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ; 'Shahram Javey' Cc: Nancy Peponis Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: RE: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 >Hello, > >The problem I have is the Laptop is used as a car navigation system. Other >than >copying street atlas or mapngo to my HD, I need the CD. It is also nice if >you want to >restore the HD after an upgrade or a crash. > >On some of the Thinkpads like the 365 series you really need to get one with >the >CD-ROM if you need it. You can use an external one but it is just one more >thing >to carry. I can do with out a floppy drive more than the CD-ROM so an >external >Floppy is not a bad situation. It looks like the higher series ones with a >bay >are a better situation as the CD-ROM can be added later. > >On an old NCR I had I used an external CD and it hooked into a Adaptec 1460 >SCSI PCMCIA card. If I was going to get a portable CD package I would try >to get a SCSI based one that the SCSI card could be used for other devices. >It is nice being able to use my 8MM tape drive to backup the laptop. I like >SCSI >and stay away from printer port stuff as you usually have to nake sure it is > >setup properly as a ECP or EPP port and then it is still slow. I do find it >better >to have a CD-ROM drive that is built-in. > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > ---------- > From: Shahram Javey [SMTP:javey@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 11:50 PM > To: Steven Augart; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: Nancy Peponis > Subject: Re: Thinkpad: Introducing myself, and a question on TP 770 > > If you're on a network, then you wont miss the CD one bit. If you're > not, then you should buy a network card for your TP and access your > desktop CD. > > Win98 and NT can both be installed via the network. > > Have fun...sj > > --- Steven Augart wrote: > > The automatic "welcome to the list" message I got > > suggested that I introduce myself and my Thinkpad. > > > > I'm Steve Augart. I use a 266 Mhz Thinkpad 600 (type > > 2645-51U), 160M RAM, 3.9G hard disk. > > > > The Thinkpad belongs to my research grant at work. > > It's a lot of fun, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I use > > it at home via a Netwave PCMCIA wireless card, with > > the Netwave/Xircom base station connected to my > > desktop PC. (The desktop pc is on a cable modem > > connection) > > > > For personal use, including my wife's marketing > > consulting business, I was thinking of buying one of > > the closeout Thinkpad 770s (only $1200!). However, > > the model I'm thinking of, (Part No: 954830U; Pentium > > MMX, 233 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 4.0 GB HD, 13.3 Active > > Matrix Display) does not have a CD-ROM drive. > > > > __________________________________________________ _______ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 16:04:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09150 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15879; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:59:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15520; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (hromeo.algonet.se [194.213.74.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15502; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19968 invoked from network); 1 Apr 1999 22:59:21 +0200 Received: from sdu45-244.ppp.algonet.se (HELO helsod) (195.163.244.45) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 22:59:21 +0200 Message-ID: <001901be7c82$00e123a0$2df4a3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: Does 14" screen TP600 s exist??? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:55:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everybody ! I have gotten an offer on a Thinkpad 600 at a rather attractive price. = The specs are 266MHz 64M 4GB 13,3" and 33,6 modem. The trouble is that I've seen ads from this guy of other 600s at higher = prices and better specs. These models have 14" screen according to the = ad. Is there really any 600 models with 14" screens. I thought that only = the 770 models had 14" screens. Is the guy stepping up the screen size = one step or is there such models. If not the model I've been offered is = propably the 12" model. I seem to recall that there was an old modell = with 33,6 modem and 12" screen. I am getting a bit confused here about the different models. The reason = I ask is because I would like to determine if this guy is serious or if = I should suspect hes trying to pull my leg before I involve myself in = any dealings with him. I really dont want to o business with some one suspicious, and I sure dont want a 12" = TP600. Thanks for any help with this Peter=20 helsod@algonet.se =20 =20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 16:08:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09196 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16207; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16098; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16082; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ISI.EDU (we-24-130-65-179.we.mediaone.net [24.130.65.179]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20524; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:04:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3703DEF4.E0C69914@ISI.EDU> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:02:44 -0800 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Weight of TP 770? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm having trouble finding a spec sheet for the TP 770. Does anybody offhand know the weight of the base unit (no accessories in the Ultrabay)? --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 16:46:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09639 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18652; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:43:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18481; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18433; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.218.36]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990401214225.BYSR4997@oemcomputer>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3703E821.1840@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:41:53 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Soderholm CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Does 14" screen TP600 s exist??? References: <001901be7c82$00e123a0$2df4a3c3@helsod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Go to; hhtp://www.ibm.com And bring up Thinkpad. You will find full info and specs etc there. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 16:59:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09810 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19559; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19451; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19437; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (ursa-minor [18.27.0.115]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15760; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3703EBE2.8E847D5C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:57:54 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Soderholm CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Does 14" screen TP600 s exist??? References: <001901be7c82$00e123a0$2df4a3c3@helsod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: No. Besides, I honestly believe that 13.3" and 14.1" is essentially indistinguishable, at least if both are 1024x768. (I used to have a 14.1" 770 and now a 13.3" 600.) --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 17:05:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09886 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20107; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:02:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19920; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19904; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.218.36]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990401220150.CFXU4997@oemcomputer>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:01:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3703ECAE.7278@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:01:18 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Weight of TP 770? References: <3703DEF4.E0C69914@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven Augart wrote: > > I'm having trouble finding a spec sheet for the TP 770. Does > anybody offhand know the weight of the base unit (no accessories > in the Ultrabay)? > 770Z 8AU 7.5# with DVD/CD,Bat,14.1hdd. 770Z 8AU 7# with bat,14.1hdd. 770Z 8AU 6# with 14.1 hdd. 770Z 8AU 5.5# stripped. AC Adapter 11 0z. VST Zip 10.5 0z. Floppy 9.5 Oz My scale, your scale may vary. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 17:30:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10223 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21628; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:26:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21467; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21446; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07006 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:26:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06994 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:26:36 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990401172039.00bf1c80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:20:39 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Weight of TP 770? and Does 14" screen TP600s exist??? In-Reply-To: <3703DEF4.E0C69914@ISI.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:02 PM 4/1/99 -0800, Steven Augart wrote: >I'm having trouble finding a spec sheet for the TP 770. Does >anybody offhand know the weight of the base unit (no accessories >in the Ultrabay)? > And also At 10:55 PM 4/1/99 +0200, Peter Soderholm wrote: >I am getting a bit confused here about the different models. The reason I ask is >because I would like to determine if this guy is serious or if I should suspect >hes trying to pull my leg before I involve myself in any dealings with him. I really >dont want to do business with some one suspicious, and I sure dont want a 12" TP600. > Should be able to find answers to almost any question at one of these sites or one of the ones linked to them: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/tech_library.html http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/ibmpc/tech_library.html ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf (Just so you have a complete set, withdrawn desktop info is at ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/dwbook.pdf ) IBM seems to have settled on these addresses for a while since my bookmarks still worked. Don't dally, though - they might start another round of musical Web pages at any minute. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 17:39:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10352 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22218; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:38:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22126; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22112; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-212.gate.net [207.36.212.212]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA386188; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3703F543.BCE01535@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:37:55 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Soderholm CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Does 14" screen TP600 s exist??? References: <001901be7c82$00e123a0$2df4a3c3@helsod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter.. ALWAYS get the machine type and model number and the serial number, THEN check the IBM web site, AND call IBM for a warranty status check.. that way you'll know if the machine has been reported stolen or if it has been registered to a user.. also, you can learn the manufacture date.. i don't THINK there is a P-266 TP-600 machine with a 14 inch display.. Peter Soderholm wrote: > Hi Everybody ! > > I have gotten an offer on a Thinkpad 600 at a rather attractive price. The specs are 266MHz 64M 4GB 13,3" > and 33,6 modem. > The trouble is that I've seen ads from this guy of other 600s at higher prices and better specs. These models have 14" screen according to the ad. Is there really any 600 models with 14" screens. I thought that only the 770 models had 14" screens. Is the guy stepping up the screen size one step or is there such models. If not the model I've been offered is propably the 12" model. I seem to recall that there was an old modell with 33,6 modem and 12" screen. > > I am getting a bit confused here about the different models. The reason I ask is because I would like to determine if this guy is serious or if I should suspect hes trying to pull my leg before I involve myself in any dealings with him. I really dont want > to o business with some one suspicious, and I sure dont want a 12" TP600. > > Thanks for any help with this > Peter > helsod@algonet.se > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 21:01:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12328 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28897; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:59:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28790; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28776; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-221.usc.edu [128.125.223.221]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08532 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:59:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990401165413.00b99d60@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:05:10 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 1280x1024 TFT question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, It came to my attention a few weeks ago that on most (all?) of our ThinkPads, when attempting to use the "Video Out" port while *also* viewing the screen on the laptop's TFT, there's a glitch. That is, my TP 600 is 1024x768. If I reduce the resolution to 800x600, and have the signal go solely to an external device (monitor/projector) and *not* shown on the laptop's TFT, then the signal will indeed be 800x600. However, if I choose to show the image on *both* my laptop TFT *and* the external device, the external device is actually getting a 1024x768 (XGA) signal, rather than the 800x600 (SVGA) signal that I have set. Frankly, I think that's a stupid bug. My question, for those of you with 700-series Thinkpads that are capable of 1280x1024 resolution, do you know if you suffer from the same problem? That is, if you reduce your resolution to XGA or perhaps SVGA, and show on both your laptop TFT *and* an external device, is the external device getting the proper signal, or is it getting force-fed a full 1280x1024, even if you have it set to a lower resolution? This is rather important to me because I use my TP 600 travel & do presentations. I really need to be able to see both my laptop screen as well as the projected image, so my problem is when I run across a projector that doesn't like getting a 1024x768 signal, I have to shut off my laptop TFT, and that poses a problem, as I'm often not in a position to view the projected image & work off of it. I recently acquired a projector of my own, so I can be sure I don't have trouble projecting a true 1024x768 signal. BUT...and here's my worry...what if I someday move up to a newer ThinkPad that has a 1280x1024 resolution screen, and it has the same problem the current ThinkPads have? The projector I got won't handle or even compress an SXGA image down to XGA, so my projector will essentially be worthless to me if I had such a ThinkPad. Anyone want to tell me how their SXGA screen behaves? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 22:02:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12862 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01753; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:00:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01523; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01509; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:59:51 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (chi-tgn-gut-vty9.as.wcom.net [216.192.140.9]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id VAA22006 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:59:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3704326E.2A9DA8C0@csc.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:58:54 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: 1280x1024 TFT question... References: <4.1.19990401165413.00b99d60@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can understand your situation and I sympathize with you. I know there are many cases where doing a presentation works best while having both the LCD and the projector turned on. However, the situation you describe isn't a bug/glitch. The reason the system behaves that way is a physical design constraint of LCD screens and the laptop's video subsystem. The LCD has a fixed resolution and therefore all of the pixels must be driven, even if the outer edge of the screen appears blank while displaying a resolution lower than the maximum. Since the video subsystem can't output two different resolutions and you are (by your selection of both LCD and video out) forcing the system to use the LCD's resolution, the video out gets that resolution. When video out is the only thing being driven, the video subsystem drives it at accurately at the selected resolution. I guess for people using their laptops with external projectors regularly, matching the resolution of the laptop's LCD with the projector's is an important purchasing consideration. Sorry this isn't much help, but hopefully it explains things... HTH, Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 1 23:14:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13482 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04228; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:12:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04100; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04087; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.216.10]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990402041217.BTSC11033@oemcomputer>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:12:17 +0000 Message-ID: <37044380.429E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:11:44 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: 1280x1024 TFT question... References: <4.1.19990401165413.00b99d60@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: or is it getting force-fed a full 1280x1024, > even if you have it set to a lower resolution? Just tried it on a NEC 21XP and the above statement is correct. 770Z 8AU Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 01:05:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA14392 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08247; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:03:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08072; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (lakecity-m69.bctel.ca [207.194.28.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08059; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA22962; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: , "TP List" Subject: RE: 1280x1024 TFT question... Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:02:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000201be7cce$7260b440$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3704326E.2A9DA8C0@csc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've got to say, though, that this may merely be a constraint of current available technology. Certainly there's nothing to prevent a video subsystem from being able to output multiple resolutions for different types of video output (e.g. digital for LCD and analog for conventional monitor simultaneously). One example of a new video chipset that can do this is the Matrox G400 (http://www.matrox.com/mga/feat_story/mar99/g400_launch.htm). Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: rbell1@csc.com [mailto:rbell1@csc.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 6:59 PM > To: TP List > Subject: Re: 1280x1024 TFT question... > > > I can understand your situation and I sympathize with you. I know there > are many cases where doing a presentation works best while having both > the LCD and the projector turned on. > > However, the situation you describe isn't a bug/glitch. The reason the > system behaves that way is a physical design constraint of LCD screens > and the laptop's video subsystem. The LCD has a fixed resolution and > therefore all of the pixels must be driven, even if the outer edge of > the screen appears blank while displaying a resolution lower than the > maximum. Since the video subsystem can't output two different > resolutions and you are (by your selection of both LCD and video out) > forcing the system to use the LCD's resolution, the video out gets that > resolution. When video out is the only thing being driven, the video > subsystem drives it at accurately at the selected resolution. > > I guess for people using their laptops with external projectors > regularly, matching the resolution of the laptop's LCD with the > projector's is an important purchasing consideration. > > Sorry this isn't much help, but hopefully it explains things... > > HTH, > Rob > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 09:00:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17028 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27595; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:58:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27482; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27466; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <21XJRRBR>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F191A@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Configuring a TP600 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:55:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > I in the process of getting a TP600 and when I get it I want to configure > a partition on the 600's HD to be identical to what is already on my > TP701. What I would like to do is copy the partition on the 701 to the 600 > thereafter replacing 600 specific stuff (how is the problem. The OS is > NT4.0/SP3/NTFS and I cannot rebuild the apps from scratch. > > I suppose an alternative would be to load the OS on the 600 then move the > apps, etc. over but how would you build the registry? Copy it from the > 701? > > Anyway is this just too weird or is there a chance it could be done? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 09:57:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17445 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29907; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:56:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29763; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29750; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:38 -0500 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (chi-tgn-gvu-vty1.as.wcom.net [216.192.155.1]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id JAA29174; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3704DA5C.64A7300B@csc.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:55:24 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert_Huber@wellspringres.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Configuring a TP600 References: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F191A@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Robert, I think you're facing a real uphill battle here. Transferring any installed O/S to a new piece of hardware is risky business. In Win95/98 there's a possibility that it would work by removing all device drivers (My Computer/Properties/Devices) and let Windows rediscover them. But I have seen even that fail miserably quite often. We use Ghost to take a snapshop of our development PCs so we can quickly restore them after VB corrupts the hell out of the registry. Moving that snapshot to new, ostensibly identical hardware often fails. NT, on the other hand, is very likely to not even boot when it is started with different hardware than it is expecting. I tried moving an NT4 drive from a 760EL to a 770. No go. To save your sanity and a lot of future headaches troubleshooting things, the only thing I'd recommend is doing a fresh install of NT on the 600. As for copying files over to salvage the apps, that is another trouble prone process. Because apps tend to put their components in Program Files, Windows, Windows\System, the registry, and .INI files, you'll have a real nightmare trying to do it. Your time would be better spent locating the installation media for those apps instead of trying to move them. Some applications, though, are pretty self-contained and could be moved. Lotus Notes, for instance, keeps almost everything in one directory and doesn't use the registry. It puts one .INI file in the Windows directory, and if it doesn't find it while starting it will re-create it with default values. Notes is easy to move. For any particularly app that you want to check, run Regedit and search the whole registry for any references to the directory that the app resides in. If you find none, then you have a decent chance of success. When you start the app for the first time on the new PC, it will probably tell you of missing components like .INI files and .DLLs from the Windows and Windows\System directories. Anything that integrates itself with the registry is trouble to move. One note: There may be 3rd party utilities that can support a move of an app from one PC to another, but I have never had the opportunity to use them. I do use CleanSweep, which has a feature to move apps, but it _must_ have monitored the installation process initially to capture the details. If you have been using CleanSweep or another similar utility then you might be in luck. Good luck! Rob -------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com -------------------------------------------- Robert_Huber@wellspringres.com wrote: > > > I in the process of getting a TP600 and when I get it I want to configure > > a partition on the 600's HD to be identical to what is already on my > > TP701. What I would like to do is copy the partition on the 701 to the 600 > > thereafter replacing 600 specific stuff (how is the problem. The OS is > > NT4.0/SP3/NTFS and I cannot rebuild the apps from scratch. > > > > I suppose an alternative would be to load the OS on the 600 then move the > > apps, etc. over but how would you build the registry? Copy it from the > > 701? > > > > Anyway is this just too weird or is there a chance it could be done? > > > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 11:21:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18176 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03515; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03372; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03342; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09673 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:18:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0108.uhc.com [168.183.199.72]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09650 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:18:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990402111702.00b737e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:17:02 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Configuring a TP600 In-Reply-To: <3704DA5C.64A7300B@csc.com> References: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F191A@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:55 AM 4/2/99 -0600, Rob Bell wrote: >NT, on the other hand, is very likely to not even boot when it is >started with different hardware than it is expecting. I tried moving an >NT4 drive from a 760EL to a 770. No go. To save your sanity and a lot >of future headaches troubleshooting things, the only thing I'd recommend >is doing a fresh install of NT on the 600. > Worked for me moving from a 760XL to a 600. I had misplaced the install disks/files for several apps that I use and decided it wouldn't hurt to try just moving over. I figured if the screen, keyboard and floppy worked, I could get the rest going. I used a parallel port tape drive to back up the 760, then restored it on top of the 600's NT preload, loaded 600 specific drivers and utilities and never looked back. I vaguely remember having to tinker with memory locations to get my token ring card to work, but other than that, it went fine. The result has been satisfactory. I have a couple of apps that would probably benefit from uninstalling and reinstalling (for some reason, Quicken v6 can't find my printer, and Netscape v3.01 crashes about once a day if I have multiple sessions open), but none have induced me to embark on the Great Disk Hunt. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 11:43:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18399 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04598; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:41:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04445; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04425; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <21XJRRQH>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F191B@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: jloyless@netbox.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Configuring a TP600 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:38:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Loyless [SMTP:jloyless@netbox.com] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 11:17 AM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: Re: Configuring a TP600 > [Huber, Robert] snip > > I used a parallel port tape drive to back up the 760, then restored it on > top of the 600's NT preload, loaded 600 specific drivers and utilities and > never looked back. I vaguely remember having to tinker with memory > locations to get my token ring card to work, but other than that, it went > fine. > [Huber, Robert] I'm not sure what you mean by back up and load over. Did you use a back up program to save the entire partition on the 760 and then do a restore of the entire save on the 600, or a selective backup/restore, or copy/copy, or what? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 12:12:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18665 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05702; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:10:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05547; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05533; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp97.epix.net [199.224.125.97]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999032301/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id MAA07702 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:10:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904021710.MAA07702@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: jt@epix.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:08:27 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Moving to a new system X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Aside from hardware dependencies, is infozip -RS a viable way to back up and restore an operating system bootable partition? And, for W9x, will this run and do the long file names correctly if booted >from a w95 boot diskette? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- Johnson's Corollary: computers have a reset button for a reason. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 12:42:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19022 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07553; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:40:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07386; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07369; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06740 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:40:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0314.uhc.com [168.183.197.23]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06712 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:40:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990402123932.009eae80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:39:32 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Configuring a TP600 In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F191B@wjbs0003xch.fl.well springres.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:38 AM 4/2/99 -0500, Robert_Huber@wellspringres.com wrote: >> I used a parallel port tape drive to back up the 760, then restored it on >> top of the 600's NT preload, loaded 600 specific drivers and utilities and >> never looked back. I vaguely remember having to tinker with memory >> locations to get my token ring card to work, but other than that, it went >> fine. >> > [Huber, Robert] I'm not sure what you mean by back up and load >over. Did you use a back up program to save the entire partition on the 760 >and then do a restore of the entire save on the 600, or a selective >backup/restore, or copy/copy, or what? > I used the backup utility that's built into NT to back up the entire system partition from the 760XL to tape and then restored the entire partition >from tape *over* the existing preload on the 600. I initially tried wiping the 600's drive, doing a minimal NT install (just enough to be able to do the restore) and then restoring the 760 to the 600. That didn't work (wouldn't even boot), so I reloaded the 600's preload and then restored the backup of the 760 to the 600. Once the restore was complete, I had to install the 600's drivers and its version of the utilities to get all the pieces to work right. Once I had the 600 up and running on the network, I copied the data partition from the 760 over to the 600 via the network. Whole thing took me an afternoon and part of an evening - a large part of which was listening to the tape drive grind away. I probably should have just Ghosted the 760 to a network drive and restored it to the 600, but I've never actually used Ghost, and the tape drive was handy. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 12:49:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19087 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08040; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:47:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07887; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07874; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tp760 (user-38ldi3h.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.200.113]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18091; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904021747.MAA18091@smtp5.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jonathan Berry" , "rwhittle@usa.net" Cc: "dgoldman@best.com" , "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 09:47:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad announcement 999076 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:44:45 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >They discontinued the 701 with ungodly haste, but sooner or >later some computer will fit the same form factor. > >The semi-official reason for the 701's demise was the need for >more surface area to dissipate the Pentium's heat (701 was 75 >MHz 486 at best). I wonder if the latest advancements in low >voltage could change that equation. > Well, look at the Toshiba Libretto. If they did it, then IBM should be able to do so as well... >The other semi-official reason was that LCD screens were >getting bigger so that the butterfly keyboard was no longer >needed. There's certainly a price / performance tradeoff >there, but in my opinion, a high QUALITY screen such as the >701's is more important than raw real estate. After all, >you're never looking at more than a tiny part of the screen at >one time anyway. > Honestly, I admit, the 701's LCD was probably one of the best dual scan screens I've seen, but for Active Matrix, I've seen (and am seeing) better... >In article <4.1.19990330110211.00a66540@rcf.usc.edu>, you wrote: >:At 06:39 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >:> Machine >:>Withdrawn Product Replacement Product Type >:> >:>ThinkPad 560Z ThinkPad 600E 2645 >: >: The entire 560 series is *dead* now? The 600's are hardly a >:replacement--they're bigger by a full inch in depth, thicker, and a pound >:heavier. Don't get me wrong, I love my 600, but as good as it is, the 560 >:was much slicker. I only have the 600 because I wanted a CD & some >:modularity (well, that and my 560 suffered an early death when it met the >:kitchen floor at high-speed). >: > >[...] > >-- >cheers >Jonathan > -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 760ED http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 12:53:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19123 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:53:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08366; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:52:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08254; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08241; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-042.usc.edu [128.125.224.42]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA08576; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:51:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990402070527.00b5e100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:07:35 -0800 To: Rob Bell , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 1280x1024 TFT question... In-Reply-To: <3704326E.2A9DA8C0@csc.com> References: <4.1.19990401165413.00b99d60@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:58 PM 4/1/99 -0600, you wrote: >I can understand your situation and I sympathize with you. I know there >are many cases where doing a presentation works best while having both >the LCD and the projector turned on. > >However, the situation you describe isn't a bug/glitch. The reason the >system behaves that way is a physical design constraint of LCD screens >and the laptop's video subsystem. The LCD has a fixed resolution and >I guess for people using their laptops with external projectors >regularly, matching the resolution of the laptop's LCD with the >projector's is an important purchasing consideration. Sorry to burst y'all's bubble, but although you describe this well, it *doesn't* describe how/why other laptops don't have the problem! My brother's Toshiba outputs whatever appropriate signal he selects, even when driving both the LCD and a projector. To me, that means IBM screwed up on this one. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 13:23:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19411 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09820; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09658; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09645; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21631; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37050ABC.6CDBF09C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:21:48 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Configuring a TP600 References: <3.0.1.32.19990402123932.009eae80@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What is Ghost? Does anybody have a URL for it so I can find out more? --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 13:30:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19505 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10262; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:29:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10125; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10109; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.254]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990402182825.IBZY26248@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:28:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990402132423.00b5f890@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:24:23 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Configuring a TP600 In-Reply-To: <37050ABC.6CDBF09C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990402123932.009eae80@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:21 PM 4/2/99 -0500, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >What is Ghost? Does anybody have a URL for it so I can find out more? > http://www.ghost.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 18:06:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23293 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21341; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:04:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21158; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (lakecity-m69.bctel.ca [207.194.28.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21145; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02021 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Stuck pixels - tons of them? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:03:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be7d5d$14cf19e0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990402111702.00b737e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Has anybody else had the experience of having literally hundreds of stuck pixels in regions of their LCD? My TP600 (41U, 13.3" active matrix) has developed stuck pixels of every color on the middle portion of the screen, spanning an area of about 10 square centimeters. You don't see them on a white background, obviously, but with a black background, they are visible (though scattered and not that prominent until one moves a dark image on the screen). I was thinking maybe it could be attributed to use, but while I do use the laptop quite a lot (in most of my classes, for example, as well as at home), I have automatic screen shutoff at 3 minutes of inactivity. So the actual time that the LCD has been on isn't that high. I've tried wiping the screen with a damp lens cloth, with no effect on those pixels. Slight pressure to the screen (either in front or behind) doesn't change them either. I know I checked the LCD thoroughly (including full-screen black and color checks) when I first got the machine, and it certainly didn't have all those stuck pixels back in August 1998. Ryan. _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1999 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 2 18:43:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23804 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22814; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:38:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22671; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22657; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.54.232]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990402233731.DTMT289@770>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:37:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3705545D.406B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:35:57 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Stuck pixels - tons of them? References: <000001be7d5d$14cf19e0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Send it back! Anything more than around 12 will get you a new screen! Ryan Hung wrote: > > Has anybody else had the experience of having literally hundreds of stuck > pixels in regions of their LCD? My TP600 (41U, 13.3" active matrix) has > developed stuck pixels of every color on the middle portion of the screen, > spanning an area of about 10 square centimeters. You don't see them on a > white background, obviously, but with a black background, they are visible > (though scattered and not that prominent until one moves a dark image on the > screen). I was thinking maybe it could be attributed to use, but while I do > use the laptop quite a lot (in most of my classes, for example, as well as > at home), I have automatic screen shutoff at 3 minutes of inactivity. So > the actual time that the LCD has been on isn't that high. > > I've tried wiping the screen with a damp lens cloth, with no effect on those > pixels. Slight pressure to the screen (either in front or behind) doesn't > change them either. I know I checked the LCD thoroughly (including > full-screen black and color checks) when I first got the machine, and it > certainly didn't have all those stuck pixels back in August 1998. > > Ryan. > > _/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/rhung@vcn.bc.ca__/ \__/ \__/ > \_Apoptosis=programmed cell death/ \__/ \rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca_/ \__ > _/ --you can't live without it!/ \__/ \http://www.vcn.bc.ca/people/rhung > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \My words Copyright (C) 1999 \__ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 3 06:03:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA28657 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20505; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:01:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20263; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20250; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id FAA21782 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from HOMER by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id wa002544 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:33:47 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Steve Meisner" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: NT5 (or Win2000) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be7d93$8b764100$3400a8c0@msc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone tried installing Win2000 on a TP760ED yet? I took NT4 SP4 workstation and tried to upgrade it to NT5 and things didn't go very good! I landed up not being able to boot into the GUI due to kernel / driver problems. I got a blue screen on startup. Anyone have any Win2000 stories? In particular, if you've got it working, what were the steps you took? Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 4 18:10:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17198 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16495; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:04:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16279; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infw1.bakerd.com (infw1.bakerd.com [208.216.217.173]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16253; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.152.0.201] by infw1.bakerd.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 22:04:44 UT Received: from BD-Message_Server by bakerd.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:07:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:07:28 -0500 From: "Kevin Toner" To: Subject: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for = my TP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped = >from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from = someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the = fix? Thanks in advance. Kevin Toner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 4 22:08:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20244 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23728; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23578; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (root@tam.dorsai.org [206.127.32.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23558; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA01283 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA26443 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904050210.WAA26443@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:10:02 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: fyi, there's sombody on Amazon Auction selling a whole mess of bateeries for the 701 in a Dutch auction. Can't tell if it's a good deal, but then I don't own a 701. http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y03X6114131X6400267/002-8937973-6249402 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 4 23:01:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20867 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25561; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:58:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25423; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25410; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pii333 [205.130.18.208] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A7E3E1E0144; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:02:59 EST Message-ID: <000701be7f11$2947de60$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: "John Higgins" , Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: >fyi, there's sombody on Amazon Auction selling a whole mess of bateeries >for the 701 in a Dutch auction. Can't tell if it's a good deal, but then I >don't own a 701. If anyone happens to be bidding on a whole slew of these, let me know and I'll add to your bid and buy them from you. That way we all have a better chance at getting what we want cheap. :-) (I'll help pay for shipping too). I'd like to buy about 2 or 3 real cheap. Contact info is below. Thanks, 'preciate it. -Jamie Kline 15374 Martinelli Dr. State Line, Pa 17263 717-597-9501 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 4 23:29:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21248 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26483; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:21:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26332; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chapala.lagunanet.net.mx ([200.36.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26317; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JONATHAN ([200.36.38.11] (may be forged)) by chapala.lagunanet.net.mx (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA01194; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 22:16:31 +0100 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: higgins@dorsai.org Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 22:10:36 -0500 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199904050210.WAA26443@amanda.dorsai.org> In-Reply-To: <199904050210.WAA26443@amanda.dorsai.org> Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Interesting, the person at www.ebay.com winning the bid http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=85231841 which seems to be the same thing, and possibly from the same seller, will probably be miffed, because the price is already $50 and rising. In article <199904050210.WAA26443@amanda.dorsai.org>, you wrote: :fyi, there's sombody on Amazon Auction selling a whole mess of bateeries :for the 701 in a Dutch auction. Can't tell if it's a good deal, but then I :don't own a 701. : : : :http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y03X6114131X6400267/002-8937973-6249402 : : :-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : John M. Higgins : Broadcasting & Cable Magazine : higgins@dorsai.org : v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 :-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 4 23:53:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21494 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27656; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:51:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27476; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27463; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-101-169-157.nj.us.ibm.net [32.101.169.157]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA08782 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 03:50:54 GMT Message-ID: <001601be7f17$82145ae0$9da96520@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:50:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7EF5.F8F2C6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7EF5.F8F2C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those using SoftDVD... The latest Video features drivers (Trident Cyber 9397) from February 15 = will knock out the DVD player. I spend most of saturday trying to figure = this out. Tech support was no help..=20 If you try to use the SoftDVD player and have the latest video drivers = installed then you will need to revert to the last set. What really gets me is that after I spent most of my Saturday finding = the culprit I figured I would call IBM back and inform them what the = problem was so that the next time they get a call on it they could save = the end user some time. In return I got the impression that they didn't = care nor probably didn't even log it... Pretty disappointing to see such = incompetance at IBM... This is not the first time that they have = released drivers for the wrong system... OK, let me get off the soapbox here.. On another note does anyone know = of other DVD software that can take advantage of the hardware decoder? I = have tried the software only versions and picture and audio were not in = sync and the overall picture was shaky. SoftDVD is pretty ancient and = lousy in comparison, If there was enough demand I may just have my Developers write a program = that would be nore specific to the Trident chipset and Decoder.? Don ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7EF5.F8F2C6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those using SoftDVD...
The latest Video features drivers = (Trident Cyber=20 9397) from February 15 will knock out the DVD player. I spend most of = saturday=20 trying to figure this out. Tech support was no help..
If you try to use the SoftDVD player = and have the=20 latest video drivers installed then you will need to revert to the last=20 set.
 
What really gets me is that after I = spent most of=20 my Saturday finding the culprit I figured I would call IBM back and = inform them=20 what the problem was so that the next time they get a call on it they = could save=20 the end user some time. In return I got the impression that they didn't = care nor=20 probably didn't even log it... Pretty disappointing to see such = incompetance at=20 IBM... This is not the first time that they have released drivers for = the wrong=20 system...
 
OK, let me get off the soapbox here.. = On another=20 note does anyone know of other DVD software that can take advantage of = the=20 hardware decoder? I have tried the software only versions and picture = and audio=20 were not in sync and the overall picture was shaky. SoftDVD is pretty = ancient=20 and lousy in comparison,
 
If there was enough demand I may just = have my=20 Developers write a program that would be nore specific to the Trident = chipset=20 and Decoder.?
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE7EF5.F8F2C6A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 01:15:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA22120 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00859; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:13:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00733; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00720; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-52.gate.net [199.227.131.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA243194; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3708466F.9D4C1B0A@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 01:13:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Toner CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kevin.. i had a similar experience with my 770X (now gone to Jakarta).. pre-update, connect speed was 33.6, post update connect speed was 32.0.. ! now, with the 770Z, the connect speed is 33.6 on the same POTS line.. when i plug the TP into one half of my ISDN line, connect speed increases to 40.0.. note: one desktop connects at 50.6 and the other (different but identical line, different modem) connects at 52.0... you are welcome to come and play with various modems, update rev. levels and computers.. :-) but apparently, the line DOES have something to do with speed... i suggest that you go back to the previous rev. level.. Kevin Toner wrote: > After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for my TP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the fix? Thanks in advance. > Kevin Toner -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 08:05:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24339 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18099; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17948; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infw1.bakerd.com (infw1.bakerd.com [208.216.217.173]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17928; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.152.0.201] by infw1.bakerd.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 12:02:49 UT Received: from BD-Message_Server by bakerd.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 07:05:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 07:05:32 -0500 From: "Kevin Toner" To: Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I had to install the upgrade because I had recently reformatted my = harddrive to eliminate a series of Win98-related errors and a video-related= error. My TP600's modem shipped as a Kflex 56k without a v.90 driver. = After reformatting and installing a standalone copy of Win98, the upgrade = was necessary to add the v.90 protocol. Otherwise, I could never connect = with my ISP at anything above 33.6. Now, with the v.90 upgrade installed, = I can't even get above 28.8. Arghh! Kevin >>> "Donald Mak" 04/04/99 10:53pm >>> Kevin, If you were getting connections of 51-53K why did you even apply an = upgrade? Go back to the previous version if it worked well for you. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for = my TP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped = from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the fix? = Thanks in advance. Kevin Toner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 15:05:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29572 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18617; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:59:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18277; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18245; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thor ([12.78.224.25]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990405185853.GZCX14243@thor> for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:58:53 +0000 Message-ID: <004301be7f96$95512e60$60324f0c@thor> From: "Roberto" To: Subject: (TP760 CD) Need Help With Linux Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:00:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All, I'm a nubie to this list so Hello and here is my Hardware/Software Profile. Thinkpad 760CD P-120 MHz/ 1.2 Gig HD/ 40 MB Ram/ 1.44 MB Floppy Drive/ 4x CD ROM Drive/ Docked at home with a port replicator 1 SCSI Pcmci Card connecting my 1 Gig Jaz Drive. Also connected via parallel pas thru is a HP DeskJet 320 Printer and a Avatar Shark 250 External Drive. Windows 95 Running/ No partitions I would like to set up Linux on this machine. Anyone with any experience and knowledge they would like to share please respond to this letter. Any and all info is greatly appreciated Thank you, Sincerely Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 20:25:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04498 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07238; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:19:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07013; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06999; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770ed (user-37kbuqj.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.251.83]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04702; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990405201752.0094b760@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 20:18:56 -0400 To: "Donald Mak" , From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: MPEG Drivers and DVD In-Reply-To: <001601be7f17$82145ae0$9da96520@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_347855806==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_347855806==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The current drivers listing has different drivers for SoftDVD, and DVD Express. Make sure you download the correct ones!! Richard At 11:50 PM 4/4/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: > > For those using SoftDVD... > The latest Video features drivers (Trident Cyber 9397) from February 15 will > knock out the DVD player. I spend most of saturday trying to figure this out. > Tech support was no help.. > If you try to use the SoftDVD player and have the latest video drivers > installed then you will need to revert to the last set. > > What really gets me is that after I spent most of my Saturday finding the > culprit I figured I would call IBM back and inform them what the problem was > so that the next time they get a call on it they could save the end user some > time. In return I got the impression that they didn't care nor probably > didn't even log it... Pretty disappointing to see such incompetance at IBM... > This is not the first time that they have released drivers for the wrong > system... > > OK, let me get off the soapbox here.. On another note does anyone know of > other DVD software that can take advantage of the hardware decoder? I have > tried the software only versions and picture and audio were not in sync and > the overall picture was shaky. SoftDVD is pretty ancient and lousy in > comparison, > > If there was enough demand I may just have my Developers write a program that > would be nore specific to the Trident chipset and Decoder.? > > Don --=====================_347855806==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" The current drivers listing has different drivers for SoftDVD, and DVD Express.  Make sure you download the correct ones!!

Richard



At 11:50 PM 4/4/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote:
For those using SoftDVD...
The latest Video features drivers (Trident Cyber 9397) from February 15 will knock out the DVD player. I spend most of saturday trying to figure this out. Tech support was no help..
If you try to use the SoftDVD player and have the latest video drivers installed then you will need to revert to the last set.
 
What really gets me is that after I spent most of my Saturday finding the culprit I figured I would call IBM back and inform them what the problem was so that the next time they get a call on it they could save the end user some time. In return I got the impression that they didn't care nor probably didn't even log it... Pretty disappointing to see such incompetance at IBM... This is not the first time that they have released drivers for the wrong system...
 
OK, let me get off the soapbox here.. On another note does anyone know of other DVD software that can take advantage of the hardware decoder? I have tried the software only versions and picture and audio were not in sync and the overall picture was shaky. SoftDVD is pretty ancient and lousy in comparison,
 
If there was enough demand I may just have my Developers write a program that would be nore specific to the Trident chipset and Decoder.?
 
Don


--=====================_347855806==_.ALT-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 20:49:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04744 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08684; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:47:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08550; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08507; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-222.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.222]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA53890; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:46:49 GMT Message-ID: <001901be7fc6$f5c47e20$de276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Richard Chalk" References: <4.1.19990405201752.0094b760@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MPEG Drivers and DVD Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:46:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE7FA5.6BB7EDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE7FA5.6BB7EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, there are two sets of MPEG drivers but, I was reffering to the = Video Features (Video Drivers for the trident video card) drivers. These = drivers are supposedly for the 770x series but: 1. Upon install Windows warns that the drivers are not specifically = written for the installed video card 2. Once installed it appears as drivers for the Trident Cyber = 9397DVD chipset. This chipset is in the newer 770Z series and NOT in the 770ED which uses the first generation = Cyber9397 (notice no internal DVD support)=20 3. These drivers seem to work better than the earlier version ie. = you don't need to decrease the Hardware acceleration so = that AVI's play properly. The downside is that SoftDVD will not work = with these drivers. =20 Personally, I would like to use these drivers but I have not been = able to find any DVD software that takes advantage of the decoder card. = All the software only solutions are aweful in conparison... I wish there was some way to get the DVDExpress software that comes with = the newer 770's... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Chalk=20 To: Donald Mak ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Monday, April 05, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: MPEG Drivers and DVD The current drivers listing has different drivers for SoftDVD, and DVD = Express. Make sure you download the correct ones!! Richard At 11:50 PM 4/4/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote:=20 For those using SoftDVD... The latest Video features drivers (Trident Cyber 9397) from February = 15 will knock out the DVD player. I spend most of saturday trying to = figure this out. Tech support was no help..=20 If you try to use the SoftDVD player and have the latest video = drivers installed then you will need to revert to the last set. =20 What really gets me is that after I spent most of my Saturday = finding the culprit I figured I would call IBM back and inform them what = the problem was so that the next time they get a call on it they could = save the end user some time. In return I got the impression that they = didn't care nor probably didn't even log it... Pretty disappointing to = see such incompetance at IBM... This is not the first time that they = have released drivers for the wrong system... =20 OK, let me get off the soapbox here.. On another note does anyone = know of other DVD software that can take advantage of the hardware = decoder? I have tried the software only versions and picture and audio = were not in sync and the overall picture was shaky. SoftDVD is pretty = ancient and lousy in comparison, =20 If there was enough demand I may just have my Developers write a = program that would be nore specific to the Trident chipset and Decoder.? =20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE7FA5.6BB7EDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, there are two sets of MPEG drivers = but, I was=20 reffering to the Video Features (Video Drivers for the trident video = card)=20 drivers. These drivers are supposedly for the 770x series = but:
    1. Upon install = Windows warns=20 that the drivers are not specifically written for the installed video=20 card
    2. Once = installed it=20 appears as drivers for the Trident Cyber 9397DVD chipset. This = chipset is=20 in the newer
        = 770Z series=20 and NOT in the 770ED which uses the first generation Cyber9397 (notice=20 no internal DVD         =    =20     support) 
    3. These drivers = seem to work=20 better than the earlier version ie. you don't need to decrease the = Hardware=20             =    =20 acceleration so that AVI's play properly. The downside is that SoftDVD = will not=20 work with these drivers.
   
    Personally, I would = like to use=20 these drivers but I have not been able to find any DVD software that = takes=20 advantage of the decoder card. All the software only solutions are = aweful in=20 conparison...
I wish there was some way to get the = DVDExpress=20 software that comes with the newer 770's...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Chalk
Sent: Monday, April 05, 1999 = 8:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: MPEG Drivers and = DVD

The current drivers listing has different drivers for = SoftDVD,=20 and DVD Express.  Make sure you download the correct=20 ones!!

Richard



At 11:50 PM 4/4/99 -0400, Donald = Mak=20 wrote:
For those using = SoftDVD...
The latest=20 Video features drivers (Trident Cyber 9397) from February 15 will = knock out=20 the DVD player. I spend most of saturday trying to figure this out. = Tech=20 support was no help..
If you try to use the SoftDVD player and = have the=20 latest video drivers installed then you will need to revert to the = last=20 set.
 
What really gets me is = that after=20 I spent most of my Saturday finding the culprit I figured I would = call IBM=20 back and inform them what the problem was so that the next time they = get a=20 call on it they could save the end user some time. In return I got = the=20 impression that they didn't care nor probably didn't even log it... = Pretty=20 disappointing to see such incompetance at IBM... This is not the = first time=20 that they have released drivers for the wrong=20 system...
 
OK, let me = get off the=20 soapbox here.. On another note does anyone know of other DVD = software that=20 can take advantage of the hardware decoder? I have tried the = software only=20 versions and picture and audio were not in sync and the overall = picture was=20 shaky. SoftDVD is pretty ancient and lousy in=20 comparison,
 
If there = was enough=20 demand I may just have my Developers write a program that would be = nore=20 specific to the Trident chipset and = Decoder.?
 
Don


------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE7FA5.6BB7EDA0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 01:41:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08408 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20543; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:38:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20363; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20350; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ISI.EDU (we-24-130-65-179.we.mediaone.net [24.130.65.179]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20241; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37099DB0.DE3092AA@ISI.EDU> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:37:52 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 02:27:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08866 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22016; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21932; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21918; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id XAA18715; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3709A957.2A8A5C9E@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 23:27:35 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? References: <37099DB0.DE3092AA@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you don't mind getting another backpack, try the LL Bean Campus Computer Organizer. Looks just like a regular, not-worth-stealing backpack, but with a padded compartment inside for the laptop, plus two sleeves for floppy drive, AC Adapter etc. There's a velcro-sealed outside pocket for more stuff. And of course the rest of the backpack is still available as another compartment. I like mine a lot, but don't use it that much ever since I got the Wetsuit for my 560X. The 560X in the Wetsuit fits right into the laptop compartment, so the 600 itself should fit without trouble. Full specs for the backpack are online at www.llbean.com. Before you ask, the Wetsuit won't fit the 600 - you have to stretch it around the 560X as it is. But it does have an outside zippered pocket for floppy and AC adapter :-) Benjamin Steven Augart wrote: > > Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a > backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; > it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple > of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a > sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's > accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power > supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. > > --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 12:10:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14204 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22363; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21963; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (mx.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21939; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (host-220.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.220] (may be forged)) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA12031; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0003C7EA; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:11:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:10:08 -0700 Message-ID: <0003C7EA.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Steven Augart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: A backpack/case that I like is my Spires pack. Look at: http://www.spireusa.com/ It doesn't scream steal-me and it's well constructed (I used to design packs). Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Author: Steven Augart at Internet Date: 4/5/99 10:37 PM Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 16:00:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17264 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07831; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07536; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07518; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Thinkpad (user-37kbmvm.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.219.246]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17427 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Allison" To: Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be8066$ba62a8c0$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3709A957.2A8A5C9E@leland.stanford.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:28 AM To: Steven Augart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? If you don't mind getting another backpack, try the LL Bean Campus Computer Organizer. Looks just like a regular, not-worth-stealing backpack, but with a padded compartment inside for the laptop, plus two sleeves for floppy drive, AC Adapter etc. There's a velcro-sealed outside pocket for more stuff. And of course the rest of the backpack is still available as another compartment. I like mine a lot, but don't use it that much ever since I got the Wetsuit for my 560X. The 560X in the Wetsuit fits right into the laptop compartment, so the 600 itself should fit without trouble. Full specs for the backpack are online at www.llbean.com. Before you ask, the Wetsuit won't fit the 600 - you have to stretch it around the 560X as it is. But it does have an outside zippered pocket for floppy and AC adapter :-) Benjamin Steven Augart wrote: > > Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a > backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; > it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple > of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a > sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's > accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power > supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. > > --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 17:11:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18127 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12531; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:03:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12319; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12298; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id OAA28941; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904062102.OAA28941@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: "Mark Allison" Cc: Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? In-Reply-To: <000001be8066$ba62a8c0$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> References: <3709A957.2A8A5C9E@leland.stanford.edu> <000001be8066$ba62a8c0$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: Mark Allison writes: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? > > Mark Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews (comp.sys.laptops). The links work (I tried them out): From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided you're not in California. Otherwise, try these links: http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270 http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html I have one and it's great. You can work out of it. For your information, I have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size. Hope this helps! And also: From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good) Try http://www.thepouch.com Great product and great service. Got a "Pouch" for $29.95. Perfect fit for my 3015. --Steve A From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 17:26:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18355 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14007; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:22:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13866; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13842; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wald5 (user-2ivea2i.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.82]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16947 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:23:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37099DB0.DE3092AA@ISI.EDU> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TENBA backpack case that I really like and highly recommend. It's a standard soft case with a handle that can be purchased with a backpack harness. The laptop sits in a reinforced sleeve that cone be removed. The sleeve is a little tight for my 770Z. TENBA makes several sizes of this style of case. http://www.tenba.com -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steven Augart [mailto:swa@ISI.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 1:38 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 18:05:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18748 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15973; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15848; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15834; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA29102; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370A84BD.6CCC93E2@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:03:41 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: Mark Allison , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? References: <3709A957.2A8A5C9E@leland.stanford.edu> <000001be8066$ba62a8c0$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> <199904062102.OAA28941@tnt.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NECX is not the cheapest for wetsuits, at least not now. A search on shopper.com yields several prices cheaper than NECX's $31.89 free shipping. Hardwarestreet for example has it for $22.99 plus $5.70 shipping, and buysoftware.com for $22.40 plus free shipping. I got mine >from buysoftware when they listed it for $20.50. It came by 2nd day air FOC too. Pretty good, IMHO. Benjamin Steven Augart wrote: > > Mark Allison writes: > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > > > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? > > > > Mark > Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews > (comp.sys.laptops). The links work (I tried them out): > > From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT > > You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided > you're not in California. Otherwise, try these links: > > http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270 > http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html > > I have one and it's great. You can work out of it. For your information, I > have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size. > > Hope this helps! > > And also: > > From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good) > > Try http://www.thepouch.com Great product and great service. Got a > "Pouch" for $29.95. Perfect fit for my 3015. > > --Steve A From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 18:12:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18826 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16311; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16120; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16075; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA30834 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:04:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08753 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L3961SA>; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: ThinkPad list Subject: TP365ED LCD is fixed. Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:00:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely. I found the problem! It was a connector that came off on the lcd. I had this happen before and I thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed. The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across the width of the panel. One is at the top and the other at the bottom. There are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the side of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects. When I took the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it snapped back into place. I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the panel. The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose. I was able to find another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves the problem. So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now. I will keep my eye open for a super deal on a older 770. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 18:49:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19222 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18119; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:42:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17987; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17961; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deepsix (user-38ld1kb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.139]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06104 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904062241.SAA06104@smtp3.mindspring.com> X-Sender: highwire@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:41:32 -0400 To: From: Greg Lara Subject: 701CS seems dead... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up, and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but you never know... If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 19:02:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19497 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18919; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:59:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18824; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18808; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA17411; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370A920C.FF037C0C@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:00:28 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: ThinkPad list Subject: Re: TP365ED LCD is fixed. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm sure everyone on this list is glad you saved yourself an unnecessary expense. Put it towards the next Thinkpad! best wishes Benjamin "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > > Hello, > > Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely. I found the > problem! > It was a connector that came off on the lcd. I had this happen before and I > thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed. > > The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across > the width of the panel. One is at the top and the other at the bottom. > There > are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the > side > of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects. When I took > the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it > snapped back into place. > > I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the > panel. The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so > I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel > to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose. I was able to > find > another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves > the > problem. > > So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now. I will keep my eye open for > a super deal on a older 770. > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 6 23:30:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22567 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29565; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29271; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29242; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-23.gate.net [199.227.131.150]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA454752; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: <370ACE9B.F8E01405@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:18:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lara CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701CS seems dead... References: <199904062241.SAA06104@smtp3.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greg.. sometimes, the on/off switch requires some very positive pressure to activiate the switch inside... also, be sure the ac plug is making contact in the socket.. thats about all i can think of for now.. :-) Greg Lara wrote: > Hello All, > > A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up, > and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I > tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the > requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and > that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if > this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this > could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but > you never know... > > If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Greg L. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 05:56:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA25564 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18769; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:49:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18557; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18544; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA13217 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199904070949.CAA13217@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 99 02:51:30 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 365XD Video Drivers List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external monitors only. So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 06:04:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA25620 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19470; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:02:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19300; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19285; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA21517; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:00:01 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02441; Wed, 7 Apr 99 10:54:58 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:02:38 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Adam Quantrill Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct -=20= each is 512k*9bits=2E I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of=20= the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and=20= that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary=2E I'm not=20= sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it=20= now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory=2E The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory=20= chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I=20= have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the=20= motherboard=2E However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to=20= disconnect 4 chips=2E But the question is which 2/which 4? I've=20= disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an=20= unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what=20= memory you get=2E Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this=20= motherboard? - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET Date: 30/03/99 09:54 I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on=20= what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to=20= reflow them just in case=2E Does anyone know the correspondence of memory=20= location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half=20= megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity=2E I'd rather reflow=20= and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3=2E7MB it will be=20= the last one=2E Any advice in this area would be appreciated=2E - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------=20= Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20= United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20= Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 08:06:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26212 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23169; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:04:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22966; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22951; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-24.gate.net [199.227.20.87]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA12246; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <370B49A4.91C1DB00@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:03:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers References: <199904070949.CAA13217@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Theres a limit.. don't know about the 365X series, but its more than 256 colors, depending upon the particular machine.. its all there, in the manuals and specs for each machine on the IBM web site.. you know, RTFM.. Read The F------ Manual!, or Read The Fine Manual.. :-) LightSide wrote: > Hello, > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > monitors only. > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 08:11:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26245 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23623; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:08:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23327; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23302; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-24.gate.net [199.227.20.87]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA454894; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:09:27 -0400 Message-ID: <370B4AC0.452F101F@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site.. i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements.. i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you can't find it, let me know.. :-) Adam Quantrill wrote: > I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory. > > The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get. > > Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard? > > - Adam > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard > Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET > Date: 30/03/99 09:54 > > I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one. > > Any advice in this area would be appreciated. > > - Adam > ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 08:39:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26552 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24909; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:37:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24718; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24698; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA22496; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:34:57 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04809; Wed, 7 Apr 99 13:29:53 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:37:34 +0000 To: Bill Morrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: If by that you mean=20= http://www=2Epc=2Eibm=2Ecom:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol2/5=2E0 then I've had a look and there are no pcb layout diagrams identifying=20= the memory chips=2E Let me know any other URLs to look under, if there is more info out=20= there, thanks, - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success Author: MIME:Bill Morrow at INTERNET Date: 07/04/99 13:23 take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site=2E=2E=20= i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements=2E=2E i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you=20= can't find it, let me know=2E=2E :-) Adam Quantrill wrote: > I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is=20= 512k*9bits=2E I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and=20= got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits=20= on top o the new memory boundary=2E I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that=20= was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory=2E=20= > > The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips=20= in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to=20= disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard=2E However=20= if the bus were 3 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips=2E But the question is which 2/which=20= 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an=20= unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you=20= get=2E > > Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this=20= motherboard? > > - Adam > > ______________________________ Reply Separator=20= _________________________________ > Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard > Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET=20= > Date: 30/03/99 09:54 > > I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering=20= on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend=20= to reflow them just in case=2E Does anyone know the correspondence of memory=20= location t chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each=20= being 9 bits wide as you can have parity=2E I'd rather reflow and/or replace=20= just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3=2E7MB it will be the last one=2E=20= > > Any advice in this area would be appreciated=2E=20= > > - Adam > ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific=20= Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom =20= http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------=20= > > ------------------------------------------------------------=20= > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20= > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails=2E=2E=2E ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads=2Ecom Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads=2Ecom/enter=2Ehtml=20= bill@thinkpads=2Ecom, morrow1@compuserve=2Ecom, morrow@treco=2Enet=20= 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al=2E=2E=2E Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary,=20= Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home=2E=2E ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 08:52:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26684 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25443; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:45:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25269; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (pima.gate.net [198.206.134.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25256; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.net (tswpb1-246.gate.net [207.36.131.246]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA28054 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <370B537A.87F0AC01@gate.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:45:46 -0400 From: Henry Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (TP770E) DVD error message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm using a program and data base on CD in my new TP770E DVD drive and the following full screen (DOS) message keeps coming up as the program runs: ' Error reading CD-ROM Drive F: Please insert CD-ROM with Serial Number xxx in Drive F: If the CD-ROM is still in the Drive, it may require cleaning. Press ENTER for OK or ESC to cancel. OK... ' When I hit enter the message clears and the program continues running. I've been using this Program/Data CD on my TP380ED for several months without problem. Does anyone know what's causing the error message in the 770E DVD ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 10:52:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27795 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02382; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02185; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (ww183.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.83]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02166; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12780 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 1999 14:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990407144903.12779.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Wed Apr 7 14:49:03 GMT 1999 Date: 7 Apr 99 09:49:03 CDT From: Rob Bell To: LightSide , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: [365XD Video Drivers] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I run my 770 at 64K colors in 1024x768. The display settings say it can = do true color at 800x600. This is on the lower-end P233 with 13.3 LCD, so I= 'm sure the higher end 770s can do better. Color depth is mainly tied to th= e amount of video ram the the video card has. HTH, Rob "LightSide" wrote: > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, i= s it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like = > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper dept= hs. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 11:22:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28153 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03722; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:07:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03545; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03529; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id IAA02086; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370B74E6.606E6701@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:22 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers References: <199904070949.CAA13217@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Almost all LCDs today will do at least 16-bit color, and most reach 18-bit, although they accept a 24 bit signal. I'm sure all the recent Thinkpads will reach 18 bit or better; your 365XD is a comparatively old model so you may be out of luck. For a time dual scans were limited to 256 colors due to inferior contrast; quality has gone up and the new HPAs do 24 bit too, or at least accept a 24 bit signal. My 560X is running in 24 bit color at 800x600, although technically the LCD outputs only 18 bits. Benjamin LightSide wrote: > > Hello, > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > monitors only. > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 12:17:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28729 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07584; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07450; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07436; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (pp111-167.bctel.ca [209.52.111.167]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA23126; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:12:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mb3.mailbank.com: Host pp111-167.bctel.ca [209.52.111.167] claimed to be thinkpad Message-ID: <001501be8111$82b3c840$0200005a@thinkpad> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "LightSide" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <199904070949.CAA13217@www.az.com> Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:13:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I run my 365XD @ 800X600 at 16bit or 64K colours just fine. My old 360c could only display 256... I am running Win98. ----- Original Message ----- From: LightSide To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:51 AM Subject: 365XD Video Drivers > Hello, > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > monitors only. > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > > Robert > > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 12:34:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28904 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09137; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08932; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (root@main.ismi.net [206.31.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08909; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (hi1bri-23.ismi.net [208.165.239.43]) by main.ismi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24597; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Denis Hall" To: "Greg Lara" , Subject: Re: 701CS seems dead... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01be811c$c193aa20$2befa5d0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BE80F2.D8BDA220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BE80F2.D8BDA220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Greg, hoping this doesn't sound too simplistic, I'll offer something to = try.... I have several 701's that have very "stubborn" power switches. Sometimes I literally have to hold the 701 on end and slide the switch over with "extreme" force to get the unit to start up. Takes a lot of = effort, and even hurts my fingers sometimes to turn the darned thing on... So, my simplistic suggestion is simply to be sure that the switch isn't just "sticky"... Of course, I could be totally off-base and your friend's 701 could be = used up... but I hope the switch is simply stubborn... Hope this helps... Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lara To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:41 PM Subject: 701CS seems dead... =20 =20 Hello All, =20 A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't = starting up, and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power = switch. I tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking = out the requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some = time, and that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm = wondering if this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know = what this could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, = blows), but you never know... =20 If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it.=20 =20 Thanks, =20 Greg L. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BE80F2.D8BDA220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello = Greg,
 
hoping this doesn't sound too = simplistic, I'll=20 offer something to try....
 
I have several 701's that have very=20 "stubborn" power switches.
Sometimes I literally have to hold the = 701 on end=20 and slide the switch 
over with "extreme" force to = get the unit=20 to start up.  Takes a lot of effort, 
and even hurts my fingers sometimes to = turn the=20 darned thing on... 
So, my simplistic suggestion is simply = to be sure=20 that the switch isn't 
just = "sticky"... 
 
Of course, I could be totally off-base = and your=20 friend's 701 could be used up...
but I=20 hope the switch is simply stubborn...
 
Hope this helps...
 
Denis Hall, Michigan
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Greg Lara <greg@highwire.net>
To: = THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: 701CS seems=20 dead...

Hello All,

A client of mine has a = TP=20 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up,
and when I = looked at=20 it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I
tested the = AC=20 adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out = the
requisite=20 voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, = and
that=20 she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering = if
this=20 behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what=20 this
could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage = (falls,=20 blows), but
you never know...

If anyone can offer = anything, I'd=20 appreciate it.

Thanks,

Greg = L.

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BE80F2.D8BDA220-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 15:27:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00834 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21742; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:21:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21591; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21525; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <238PRP9M>; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:17:37 -0400 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E8F1926@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: hteszler@netgate.com.uy, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Again ! Anybody changing DVD zones in 770 ED often ? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: First let me apologies for butting in on a thread for which I have no direct experience. If the subject of running DVD's from different zones were important to me I would get a sufficiently large HDD (they seem to be relatively inexpensive these days - I just got a 6.4GB drive for about 270.00, w/o caddy) and create an environment for each zone and be done with it. I suppose I'm missing something, so I'll shift back to lurk mode. > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Teszler [SMTP:hteszler@netgate.com.uy] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 3:00 PM > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: Again ! Anybody changing DVD zones in 770 ED often ? > > Hello again to all of you ! > > Excuse me for being repetitive but I want to be sure about this. > > My 770 ED was bought in zone 2 (Europe). I live now in zone 4 (SOuth > America) but > I have films with zone 2 and 1. > > I now they are some programs (not from IBM) (zone changers) but I > also know that there is a limit of changement quantities and a controller > in the machine (sort of counter). After that you have to make a > total CD Recovery. > > So, I would like to know about people having experience with any software > that would make the zone changing without that this IBM protection > detects it. > > Thanks sincerelly for any help. > > > > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 16:14:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01311 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20263; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:00:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20039; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (fw1.netgate.com.uy [207.3.114.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20012; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-1-81.netgate.com.uy [207.3.118.81]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25287 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:00:36 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Again ! Anybody changing DVD zones in 770 ED often ? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:00:01 -0300 Message-ID: <000001be8128$d6fafb00$517603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hello again to all of you ! Excuse me for being repetitive but I want to be sure about this. My 770 ED was bought in zone 2 (Europe). I live now in zone 4 (SOuth America) but I have films with zone 2 and 1. I now they are some programs (not from IBM) (zone changers) but I also know that there is a limit of changement quantities and a controller in the machine (sort of counter). After that you have to make a total CD Recovery. So, I would like to know about people having experience with any software that would make the zone changing without that this IBM protection detects it. Thanks sincerelly for any help. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 17:48:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02439 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00592; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:43:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00424; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00400; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dmacq (207-172-112-39.s39.tnt4.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.112.39]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27319 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: Thinkpad comparisons Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: <01be813e$fd77e0c0$2770accf@dmacq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone point me to a (spreadsheet?) comparison of the TP models? I looked around at IBM's website, and their numbering scheme makes no sense. I'm interested in weight, upgradeability, screen resolution, the usual stuff. TIA. Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 17:52:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02499 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01191; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:50:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01071; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01044; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-18.gate.net [199.227.131.18]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA168552; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:51:07 -0400 Message-ID: <370BD313.17B001D4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:50:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henry Katz CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TP770E) DVD error message References: <370B537A.87F0AC01@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Henry.. sounds like some other app is still running and looking for a different CD than the one thats in the drive.. Henry Katz wrote: > I'm using a program and data base on CD in my new TP770E DVD drive and > the following full screen (DOS) message keeps coming up as the program > runs: > ' Error reading CD-ROM Drive F: Please insert CD-ROM with Serial Number > xxx in Drive F: If the CD-ROM is still in the Drive, it may require > cleaning. Press ENTER for OK or ESC to cancel. OK... ' > When I hit enter the message clears and the program continues running. > I've been using this Program/Data CD on my TP380ED for several months > without problem. Does anyone know what's causing the error message in > the 770E DVD ? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 18:00:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02582 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01622; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:54:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01471; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01372; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-18.gate.net [199.227.131.18]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA378690; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <370BD39E.92831A12@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:52:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Again ! Anybody changing DVD zones in 770 ED often ? References: <000001be8128$d6fafb00$517603cf@bqlzpsrt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Harry.. i have an app that is supposed to change the zones, but i have never used it.. only given it to others.. i had not heard of a counter..! Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello again to all of you ! > > Excuse me for being repetitive but I want to be sure about this. > > My 770 ED was bought in zone 2 (Europe). I live now in zone 4 (SOuth > America) but > I have films with zone 2 and 1. > > I now they are some programs (not from IBM) (zone changers) but I > also know that there is a limit of changement quantities and a controller > in the machine (sort of counter). After that you have to make a > total CD Recovery. > > So, I would like to know about people having experience with any software > that would make the zone changing without that this IBM protection > detects it. > > Thanks sincerelly for any help. > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 18:21:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02803 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03186; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03051; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02945; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dan (slip129-37-22-200.ga.us.ibm.net [129.37.22.200]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id PAA24417; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: , Subject: RE: Thinkpad comparisons Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:06:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <01be813e$fd77e0c0$2770accf@dmacq> List-Unsubscribe: Donald- Go to www.killerapp.com. Their site lets you specify criteria on a variety of equipment. From there you can select several models and it creates the spreadsheet comparing them on appropriate criteria. They will also display vendors (on-line and phone) *with* prices, and let you sort by price (or other fields). I think this will give you what you are looking for. Good luck. -Dan Galender ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen [mailto:dmacq@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:39 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad comparisons Can anyone point me to a (spreadsheet?) comparison of the TP models? I looked around at IBM's website, and their numbering scheme makes no sense. I'm interested in weight, upgradeability, screen resolution, the usual stuff. TIA. Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 21:02:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04519 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10132; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09918; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09898; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id RAA05429; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370BFFB7.E02CC5E0@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:00:40 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Allison , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Wetsuit dimensions References: <1288645867-28938629@dake.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hey all, For all those asking if wetsuits will fit their respective TPs: I found the little info tag that came with my wetsuit. I'm amazed I still have it. Anyway, it lists dimensions: 1.0 10.7-11.7 x 8.4-9.4 x 1.9-2.4 2.0 10.7-11.7 x 7.3-8.3 x 1.9-2.4 3.0 9.5-10.5 x 7.5-8.5 x 1.5-2.0 4.0 10.6-11.4 x 6.0-6.8 x 1.1-1.6 Based on these it seems most TPs will need 1.0. Maybe the 755 series or 701 could use 2.0. IMHO it will be a tight fit for most - it's snug for my 560X which is smaller than average. Cheers Benjamin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 21:19:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04785 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10966; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10862; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10832; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pii333 [205.130.18.71] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A46D1D90220; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:20:45 EST Message-ID: <002801be815e$affaa2e0$020aa8c0@pii333> From: "Slip" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "Mark Allison" , Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:25:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know if the wetsuit 2.0 will in fact work with the 701? I would like to find a small case to use when transporting mine without the need for a huge bag. To me like the kb would be a problem with wetsuits, but I seem to remember one designed specifically for the 701... Thanks. -Jamie > Based on these it seems most TPs will need 1.0. Maybe the 755 >series or 701 could use 2.0. IMHO it will be a tight fit for most - it's >snug for my 560X which is smaller than average. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 21:26:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04846 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11434; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11333; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11300; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a235.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.235]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10724; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904080124.VAA10724@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a235.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.235] 209.198.80.235 Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:15:01 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Thinkpad comparisons X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Try: ftp//ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/tbook.pdf >Go to www.killerapp.com. Their site lets you specify criteria on a >variety of equipment. From there you can select several models and it >creates the spreadsheet comparing them on appropriate criteria. They >will also display vendors (on-line and phone) *with* prices, and let you >sort by price (or other fields). I think this will give you what you are >looking for. >Good luck. >-Dan Galender >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com >Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 >http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 >-----Original Message----- >From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen [mailto:dmacq@erols.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:39 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Thinkpad comparisons >Can anyone point me to a (spreadsheet?) >comparison of the TP models? I looked >around at IBM's website, and their >numbering scheme makes no sense. >I'm interested in weight, upgradeability, >screen resolution, the usual stuff. >TIA. >Donald >---------------------------------------- >Donald M. MacQueen >Registered Smalltalk Bigot >---------------------------------------- >I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! >---------------------------------------- _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 7 21:59:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05168 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12988; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:57:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12889; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12862; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa16926; 7 Apr 99 19:57 MDT Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:57:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > For all those asking if wetsuits will fit their respective TPs: Forgive my ignorance, but what's all this hubbub about wetsuits? I assume they're something special; where can I get more info? Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller, Webmaster Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ http://www.cibnor.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 07:37:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA09451 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09491; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09242; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (kahuna.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09216; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu (tarski [128.171.50.25]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA12234; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:32:34 -1000 (HST) Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA01559; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:34:49 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199904081134.BAA01559@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions To: benkoh@leland.stanford.edu (Benjamin Koh) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 99 1:34:48 HST Cc: mark@dake.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <370BFFB7.E02CC5E0@leland.stanford.edu>; from "Benjamin Koh" at Apr 7, 99 6:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] List-Unsubscribe: > series or 701 could use 2.0. IMHO it will be a tight fit for most - it's > snug for my 560X which is smaller than average. I believe that the sizes associated with the models changed at some point during their production run. I never could get the 1.0 which I had on my 701 to fit my 560, which now lives (a tad loosely) in a 2.0 - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 10:07:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10702 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16538; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:04:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16367; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16325; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA04043 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:03:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990408090327.0082b690@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:03:27 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions In-Reply-To: <199904081134.BAA01559@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> References: <370BFFB7.E02CC5E0@leland.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - From the dimensional information posted, it appears that there is no way that a 770ED could fit in any of them. Right? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNwy3Km8pw+2/9pUJEQJ7fACg9oGAbfpQDuWShwZcGA9gIus34m0AoNTd PWcV3Yoq8fNStcjmiUE/9e+m =gcDB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 12:36:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12299 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27033; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:33:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26760; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26733; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id JAA15019; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370CDA90.9055E725@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:34:24 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions References: <370BFFB7.E02CC5E0@leland.stanford.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990408090327.0082b690@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yep. The 770 series is just too large. However according to David Ross' post the sizes may have changed - his 560 won't fit a 1.0 he has but fits a 2.0. This is definitely _not_ the case with the Wetsuits I see on sale here - the wetsuits get smaller from 1.0 to 4.0, and only the 1.0 fits a 560. David, are you sure it's not the 2.0 that's on the 701, and the 1.0 on the 560? That would make more sense. Benjamin Ron Heiby wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > - From the dimensional information posted, it appears that there is no way > that > a 770ED could fit in any of them. Right? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers > > iQA/AwUBNwy3Km8pw+2/9pUJEQJ7fACg9oGAbfpQDuWShwZcGA9gIus34m0AoNTd > PWcV3Yoq8fNStcjmiUE/9e+m > =gcDB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 12:37:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12305 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27231; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:35:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26972; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miranda.ee.ualberta.ca (miranda.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.68.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26639; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sdew@localhost) by miranda.ee.ualberta.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA04406 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Steve Dew Message-Id: <199904081628.KAA04406@miranda.ee.ualberta.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I've been putting Redhat 5.2 on my 1451i (after eagerly waiting 3 months for delivery ;-( ) and it has been going very well so far. My only problem is that it won't hibernate under Linux. It will go to standby (screen, disk off), it will suspend (everything off but the RAM), but it won't write RAM to disk and shut down. It just beeps and that's it when I press Fn-F12. This function does work under Win 98, so I know the hibernation file exists. I have recompiled the kernel (2.0.36) to include APM BIOS support. I have tried it with and without apmd running and with and without PCMCIA support in the kernel (I haven't actually tried any PC cards in it yet). Once, I thought apmd logged a problem with hda1 not being ready, but that doesn't seem reproduceable. Also, I have tried it with mounted hda1 (Win98) partitions and there is no change in the behaviour. Any suggestions? I'd really like to get this feature working! Thanks in advance! Steve Steven.Dew@ualberta.ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 13:17:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12766 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00339; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00235; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (stars.cisco.com [171.71.112.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00215; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA11592; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Steve Dew cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i In-Reply-To: <199904081628.KAA04406@miranda.ee.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hmmmm... well, firstly, I don't think that the TP's hibernation is really related to APM. (Leastwise, not on my ol' 701C.) So I'm pretty sure hibernation mode Should Just Work. Unless, of course, it *is* tied to APM... in which case I think you're out of luck. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you've discovered, it's been my experience that the docs for APM are... sparse. The good news is that some of the kernel developers are coming out with a New and Improved (tm) "hibernate", which is essentially the same as IBM's hibernate, except that it'll work for any/all i386 Linux installs, regardless of platform. Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Steve Dew wrote: > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:52 -0600 (MDT) > From: Steve Dew > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i > > Hi, > > I've been putting Redhat 5.2 on my 1451i (after eagerly waiting 3 months > for delivery ;-( ) and it has been going very well so far. My only > problem is that it won't hibernate under Linux. It will go to standby > (screen, disk off), it will suspend (everything off but the RAM), but > it won't write RAM to disk and shut down. It just beeps and that's it > when I press Fn-F12. > > This function does work under Win 98, so I know the hibernation file > exists. I have recompiled the kernel (2.0.36) to include APM BIOS support. > I have tried it with and without apmd running and with and without PCMCIA > support in the kernel (I haven't actually tried any PC cards in it yet). > Once, I thought apmd logged a problem with hda1 not being ready, but that > doesn't seem reproduceable. Also, I have tried it with mounted hda1 (Win98) > partitions and there is no change in the behaviour. > > Any suggestions? I'd really like to get this feature working! > > Thanks in advance! > > Steve > > Steven.Dew@ualberta.ca > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 13:30:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12908 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01609; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:28:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01494; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01479; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904081728.NAA01479@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Fri, 7 Apr 1989 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , "Steve Dew" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:27:58 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i List-Unsubscribe: Hibernate works fine on my 600 (also redhat 5.2). It required a small change to the APM source before compileing (#undef APM_NOINTS), but that was all, and this was only on the 600. It will just beep and not hibernate if there is an active network card installed (requiring that you pop the card). You should be able to get it working. Try a net search. -Victor On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:08:34 -0400 (EDT), Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: >Hmmmm... well, firstly, I don't think that the TP's hibernation is really >related to APM. (Leastwise, not on my ol' 701C.) So I'm pretty sure >hibernation mode Should Just Work. Unless, of course, it *is* tied to >APM... in which case I think you're out of luck. Unfortunately, as I'm >sure you've discovered, it's been my experience that the docs for APM >are... sparse. The good news is that some of the kernel developers are >coming out with a New and Improved (tm) "hibernate", which is essentially >the same as IBM's hibernate, except that it'll work for any/all i386 Linux >installs, regardless of platform. > >Ken D'Ambrosio >SysAdmin, >Cisco Systems, Inc. > >On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Steve Dew wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:28:52 -0600 (MDT) >> From: Steve Dew >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been putting Redhat 5.2 on my 1451i (after eagerly waiting 3 months >> for delivery ;-( ) and it has been going very well so far. My only >> problem is that it won't hibernate under Linux. It will go to standby >> (screen, disk off), it will suspend (everything off but the RAM), but >> it won't write RAM to disk and shut down. It just beeps and that's it >> when I press Fn-F12. >> >> This function does work under Win 98, so I know the hibernation file >> exists. I have recompiled the kernel (2.0.36) to include APM BIOS support. >> I have tried it with and without apmd running and with and without PCMCIA >> support in the kernel (I haven't actually tried any PC cards in it yet). >> Once, I thought apmd logged a problem with hda1 not being ready, but that >> doesn't seem reproduceable. Also, I have tried it with mounted hda1 (Win98) >> partitions and there is no change in the behaviour. >> >> Any suggestions? I'd really like to get this feature working! >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Steve >> >> Steven.Dew@ualberta.ca >> >> > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 13:32:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12939 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01908; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01792; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01733; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01045; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <370CE784.81738E23@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:29:40 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" CC: Steve Dew , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hibernation problem on Linux TP 1451i References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In my experience with ThinkPads (560, 600, 760, 770), if suspend truly works, and hibernation works in Windows, then hibernation will work in Linux. I do not run apmd; it always seems to interfere with suspend/hibernate for me. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 17:35:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15539 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17655; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:30:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17444; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17428; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (turtle.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.241]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA31486 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: <370D1FD7.4F59122A@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:30:04 -0500 From: root X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 07 Apr 1999 References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DC4043329099044E3E94C819" List-Unsubscribe: --------------DC4043329099044E3E94C819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MESSAGE DELIVERY FAILURE Your message of 4/7/99 could not be delivered to recipients at SSEC.WISC.EDU due to a mail server failure. --ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS-- owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Today's topics: > > RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? (Mark Allison) > RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? (Steven Augart) > RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? (William Armstrong) > Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? (Benjamin Koh) > TP365ED LCD is fixed. (Cottrell, Eric) > 701CS seems dead... (Greg Lara) > Re: TP365ED LCD is fixed. (Benjamin Koh) > Re: 701CS seems dead... (Bill Morrow) > 365XD Video Drivers (LightSide) > Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success (Adam Quantrill) > Re: 365XD Video Drivers (Bill Morrow) > Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success (Bill Morrow) > Re[2]: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success (Adam Quantrill) > (TP770E) DVD error message (Henry Katz) > Re: [365XD Video Drivers] (Rob Bell) > Re: 365XD Video Drivers (Benjamin Koh) > Re: 365XD Video Drivers (David S. Crombie) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 > From: "Mark Allison" > To: > > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:28 AM > To: Steven Augart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > If you don't mind getting another backpack, try the LL Bean Campus > Computer Organizer. Looks just like a regular, not-worth-stealing > backpack, but with a padded compartment inside for the laptop, plus two > sleeves for floppy drive, AC Adapter etc. There's a velcro-sealed > outside pocket for more stuff. And of course the rest of the backpack is > still available as another compartment. I like mine a lot, but don't use > it that much ever since I got the Wetsuit for my 560X. The 560X in the > Wetsuit fits right into the laptop compartment, so the 600 itself should > fit without trouble. Full specs for the backpack are online at > www.llbean.com. Before you ask, the Wetsuit won't fit the 600 - you have > to stretch it around the 560X as it is. But it does have an outside > zippered pocket for floppy and AC adapter :-) > > Benjamin > > Steven Augart wrote: > > > > Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a > > backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; > > it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple > > of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a > > sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's > > accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power > > supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. > > > > --Steve Augart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:02:58 -0700 > From: Steven Augart > To: "Mark Allison" > CC: > > Mark Allison writes: > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > > > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? > > > > Mark > Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews > (comp.sys.laptops). The links work (I tried them out): > > From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT > > You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided > you're not in California. Otherwise, try these links: > > http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270 > http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html > > I have one and it's great. You can work out of it. For your information, I > have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size. > > Hope this helps! > > And also: > > From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good) > > Try http://www.thepouch.com Great product and great service. Got a > "Pouch" for $29.95. Perfect fit for my 3015. > > --Steve A > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:23:02 -0400 > From: "William Armstrong" > To: "ThinkPad list" > > I have a TENBA backpack case that I really like and highly recommend. It's > a standard soft case with a handle that can be purchased with a backpack > harness. The laptop sits in a reinforced sleeve that cone be removed. The > sleeve is a little tight for my 770Z. TENBA makes several sizes of this > style of case. > > http://www.tenba.com > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Augart [mailto:swa@ISI.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 1:38 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a > backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; > it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple > of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a > sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's > accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power > supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. > > --Steve Augart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:03:41 -0700 > From: Benjamin Koh > To: Steven Augart > CC: Mark Allison , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > NECX is not the cheapest for wetsuits, at least not now. A search on > shopper.com yields several prices cheaper than NECX's $31.89 free > shipping. Hardwarestreet for example has it for $22.99 plus $5.70 > shipping, and buysoftware.com for $22.40 plus free shipping. I got mine > from buysoftware when they listed it for $20.50. It came by 2nd day air > FOC too. Pretty good, IMHO. > > Benjamin > > Steven Augart wrote: > > > > Mark Allison writes: > > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? > > > > > > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one? > > > > > > Mark > > Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews > > (comp.sys.laptops). The links work (I tried them out): > > > > From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com > > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT > > > > You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided > > you're not in California. Otherwise, try these links: > > > > http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270 > > http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html > > > > I have one and it's great. You can work out of it. For your information, I > > have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > And also: > > > > From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good) > > > > Try http://www.thepouch.com Great product and great service. Got a > > "Pouch" for $29.95. Perfect fit for my 3015. > > > > --Steve A > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: TP365ED LCD is fixed. > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:00:52 -0400 > From: "Cottrell, Eric" > To: ThinkPad list > > Hello, > > Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely. I found the > problem! > It was a connector that came off on the lcd. I had this happen before and I > thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed. > > The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across > the width of the panel. One is at the top and the other at the bottom. > There > are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the > side > of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects. When I took > the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it > snapped back into place. > > I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the > panel. The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so > I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel > to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose. I was able to > find > another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves > the > problem. > > So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now. I will keep my eye open for > a super deal on a older 770. > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: 701CS seems dead... > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:41:32 -0400 > From: Greg Lara > To: > > Hello All, > > A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up, > and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I > tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the > requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and > that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if > this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this > could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but > you never know... > > If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Greg L. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: TP365ED LCD is fixed. > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:00:28 -0700 > From: Benjamin Koh > To: "Cottrell, Eric" > CC: ThinkPad list > > I'm sure everyone on this list is glad you saved yourself an unnecessary > expense. Put it towards the next Thinkpad! > > best wishes > Benjamin > > "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely. I found the > > problem! > > It was a connector that came off on the lcd. I had this happen before and I > > thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed. > > > > The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across > > the width of the panel. One is at the top and the other at the bottom. > > There > > are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the > > side > > of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects. When I took > > the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it > > snapped back into place. > > > > I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the > > panel. The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so > > I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel > > to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose. I was able to > > find > > another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves > > the > > problem. > > > > So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now. I will keep my eye open for > > a super deal on a older 770. > > > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: 701CS seems dead... > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:18:51 -0400 > From: Bill Morrow > To: Greg Lara > CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Greg.. > sometimes, the on/off switch requires some very positive pressure to activiate > the switch inside... > > also, be sure the ac plug is making contact in the socket.. > > thats about all i can think of for now.. :-) > > Greg Lara wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up, > > and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I > > tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the > > requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and > > that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if > > this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this > > could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but > > you never know... > > > > If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg L. > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: 365XD Video Drivers > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 02:51:30 -0800 > From: "LightSide" > To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" > > Hello, > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > monitors only. > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:02:38 -0000 > From: Adam Quantrill > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Adam Quantrill > > I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory. > > The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get. > > Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard? > > - Adam > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard > Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET > Date: 30/03/99 09:54 > > I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one. > > Any advice in this area would be appreciated. > > - Adam > ----------------------------------------------------------- Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:03:49 -0400 > From: Bill Morrow > To: LightSide > CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" > > Theres a limit.. > don't know about the 365X series, but its more than 256 colors, depending upon the particular machine.. > its all there, in the manuals and specs for each machine on the IBM web site.. > you know, RTFM.. Read The F------ Manual!, > or > Read The Fine Manual.. :-) > > LightSide wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > > monitors only. > > > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > > > Robert > > > > Robert Mears > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > robertm@az.com > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:32 -0400 > From: Bill Morrow > To: Adam Quantrill > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site.. > i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements.. > i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you can't find it, let me know.. :-) > > Adam Quantrill wrote: > > > I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory. > > > > The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get. > > > > Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard? > > > > - Adam > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard > > Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET > > Date: 30/03/99 09:54 > > > > I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one. > > > > Any advice in this area would be appreciated. > > > > - Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk Harston > > Cambridge > > CB2 5NH > > Registered in England No 2081960 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > > Harston > > Cambridge > > CB2 5NH > > Registered in England No 2081960 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re[2]: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:37:34 -0000 > From: Adam Quantrill > To: Bill Morrow > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > If by that you mean http://www.pc.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol2/5.0 > > then I've had a look and there are no pcb layout diagrams identifying the memory chips. > > Let me know any other URLs to look under, if there is more info out there, thanks, > > - Adam > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success > Author: MIME:Bill Morrow at INTERNET > Date: 07/04/99 13:23 > > take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site.. i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements.. > i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you can't find it, let me know.. :-) > > Adam Quantrill wrote: > > > I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top o > the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory. > > > The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 3 > bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get. > > > > Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard? > > > > - Adam > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard > > Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET > Date: 30/03/99 09:54 > > > > I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location t > chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one. > > > Any advice in this area would be appreciated. > > > - Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk Harston > > Cambridge > > CB2 5NH > > Registered in England No 2081960 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston > > Cambridge > > CB2 5NH > > Registered in England No 2081960 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > Registered in England No 2081960 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: (TP770E) DVD error message > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:45:46 -0400 > From: Henry Katz > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > I'm using a program and data base on CD in my new TP770E DVD drive and > the following full screen (DOS) message keeps coming up as the program > runs: > ' Error reading CD-ROM Drive F: Please insert CD-ROM with Serial Number > xxx in Drive F: If the CD-ROM is still in the Drive, it may require > cleaning. Press ENTER for OK or ESC to cancel. OK... ' > When I hit enter the message clears and the program continues running. > I've been using this Program/Data CD on my TP380ED for several months > without problem. Does anyone know what's causing the error message in > the 770E DVD ? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [365XD Video Drivers] > Date: 07 Apr 1999 09:49:03 -0500 > From: Rob Bell > To: LightSide , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" > > I run my 770 at 64K colors in 1024x768. The display settings say it can do > true color at 800x600. This is on the lower-end P233 with 13.3 LCD, so I'm > sure the higher end 770s can do better. Color depth is mainly tied to the > amount of video ram the the video card has. > > HTH, > Rob > > "LightSide" wrote: > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it > just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:22 -0700 > From: Benjamin Koh > To: LightSide > CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" > > Almost all LCDs today will do at least 16-bit color, and most reach > 18-bit, although they accept a 24 bit signal. I'm sure all the recent > Thinkpads will reach 18 bit or better; your 365XD is a comparatively old > model so you may be out of luck. For a time dual scans were limited to > 256 colors due to inferior contrast; quality has gone up and the new > HPAs do 24 bit too, or at least accept a 24 bit signal. My 560X is > running in 24 bit color at 800x600, although technically the LCD outputs > only 18 bits. > > Benjamin > > LightSide wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it > > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color. > > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external > > monitors only. > > > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > > > Robert > > > > Robert Mears > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > robertm@az.com > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:13:00 -0700 > From: "David S. Crombie" > To: "LightSide" > CC: "Thinkpad List" > > I run my 365XD @ 800X600 at 16bit or 64K colours just fine. My old 360c > could only display 256... > I am running Win98. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LightSide > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:51 AM > Subject: 365XD Video Drivers > > > Hello, > > > > I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new > video driver for it. I downloaded it > > and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding > allow the LCD to display true color. > > However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the > extra color depth was for external > > monitors only. > > > > So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is > it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like > > TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > Robert Mears > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > robertm@az.com > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > --------------DC4043329099044E3E94C819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Today's topics:

    RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?  (Mark Allison)
    RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?  (Steven Augart)
    RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?  (William Armstrong)
    Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases?  (Benjamin Koh)
    TP365ED LCD is fixed.  (Cottrell, Eric)
    701CS seems dead...  (Greg Lara)
    Re: TP365ED LCD is fixed.  (Benjamin Koh)
    Re: 701CS seems dead...  (Bill Morrow)
    365XD Video Drivers  (LightSide)
    Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success  (Adam Quantrill)
    Re: 365XD Video Drivers  (Bill Morrow)
    Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success  (Bill Morrow)
    Re[2]: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success  (Adam Quantrill)
    (TP770E) DVD error message  (Henry Katz)
    Re: [365XD Video Drivers]  (Rob Bell)
    Re: 365XD Video Drivers  (Benjamin Koh)
    Re: 365XD Video Drivers  (David S. Crombie)

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Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400
From: "Mark Allison" <markall@mindspring.com>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>

I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From:   Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU]
Sent:   Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:28 AM
To:     Steven Augart
Cc:     thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject:        Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases?

If you don't mind getting another backpack, try the LL Bean Campus
Computer Organizer. Looks just like a regular, not-worth-stealing
backpack, but with a padded compartment inside for the laptop, plus two
sleeves for floppy drive, AC Adapter etc. There's a velcro-sealed
outside pocket for more stuff. And of course the rest of the backpack is
still available as another compartment. I like mine a lot, but don't use
it that much ever since I got the Wetsuit for my 560X. The 560X in the
Wetsuit fits right into the laptop compartment, so the 600 itself should
fit without trouble. Full specs for the backpack are online at
www.llbean.com. Before you ask, the Wetsuit won't fit the 600 - you have
to stretch it around the 560X as it is. But it does have an outside
zippered pocket for floppy and AC adapter :-)

Benjamin

Steven Augart wrote:
>
> Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a
> backpack?  I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600;
> it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple
> of small unsealed outside pockets.  I'm looking for something with a
> sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's
> accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power
> supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack.
>
> --Steve Augart

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Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:02:58 -0700
From: Steven Augart <swa@ISI.EDU>
To: "Mark Allison" <markall@mindspring.com>
CC: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>

Mark Allison writes:
 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400
 > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
 >
 > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one?
 >
 > Mark
Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews
(comp.sys.laptops).  The links work (I tried them out):

  From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com
  Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT

  You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided
  you're not in California.  Otherwise, try these links:

  http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270
  http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html

  I have one and it's great.  You can work out of it.  For your information, I
  have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size.

  Hope this helps!

And also:

  From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good)

   Try http://www.thepouch.com   Great product and great service.  Got a
   "Pouch" for $29.95.  Perfect fit for my 3015.

--Steve A

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Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:23:02 -0400
From: "William Armstrong" <warmstrong@waldinc.com>
To: "ThinkPad list" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

I have a TENBA backpack case that I really like and highly recommend.  It's
a standard soft case with a handle that can be purchased with a backpack
harness.  The laptop sits in a reinforced sleeve that cone be removed.  The
sleeve is a little tight for my 770Z.  TENBA makes several sizes of this
style of case.

http://www.tenba.com

-Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Augart [mailto:swa@ISI.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 1:38 AM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Favorite Thinkpad cases?

Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a
backpack?  I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600;
it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple
of small unsealed outside pockets.  I'm looking for something with a
sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's
accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power
supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack.

--Steve Augart

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Subject: Re: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:03:41 -0700
From: Benjamin Koh <benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: Steven Augart <swa@ISI.EDU>
CC: Mark Allison <markall@mindspring.com>, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu

NECX is not the cheapest for wetsuits, at least not now. A search on
shopper.com yields several prices cheaper than NECX's $31.89 free
shipping. Hardwarestreet for example has it for $22.99 plus $5.70
shipping, and buysoftware.com for $22.40 plus free shipping. I got mine
from buysoftware when they listed it for $20.50. It came by 2nd day air
FOC too. Pretty good, IMHO.

Benjamin

Steven Augart wrote:
>
> Mark Allison writes:
>  > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:50:30 -0400
>  > Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases?
>  >
>  > I've been looking for a wetsuit. Know where I can get one?
>  >
>  > Mark
> Here's a piece of information about that which I got off of Dejanews
> (comp.sys.laptops).  The links work (I tried them out):
>
>   From: netgirlusa@my-dejanews.com
>   Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:10:24 GMT
>
>   You can find the Silicon Wetsuit cases at NECX at the best price, provided
>   you're not in California.  Otherwise, try these links:
>
>   http://www.css.isn.com/cgi-bin/getNode?node=110404&product_id=25270
>   http://www.shoplet.com/hardware/cgi-bin/node.cgi?file=/hardware/db/494417.html
>
>   I have one and it's great.  You can work out of it.  For your information, I
>   have a Thinkpad 600, and it fits in the 1.0 size.
>
>   Hope this helps!
>
> And also:
>
>   From: GoodGuy@mindspring.com (Richard Good)
>
>    Try http://www.thepouch.com   Great product and great service.  Got a
>    "Pouch" for $29.95.  Perfect fit for my 3015.
>
> --Steve A

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Subject: TP365ED LCD is fixed.
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:00:52 -0400
From: "Cottrell, Eric" <ecottrell@Doble.com>
To: ThinkPad list <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

Hello,

Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely.  I found the
problem!
It was a connector that came off on the lcd.  I had this happen before and I
thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed.

The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across
the width of the panel.  One is at the top and the other at the bottom.
There
are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the
side
of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects.  When I took
the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it
snapped back into place.

I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the
panel.  The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so
I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel
to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose.  I was able to
find
another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves
the
problem.

So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now.  I will keep my eye open for
a super deal on a older 770.

73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: 701CS seems dead...
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:41:32 -0400
From: Greg Lara <greg@highwire.net>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

Hello All,

A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up,
and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I
tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the
requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and
that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if
this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this
could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but
you never know...

If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Greg L.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: TP365ED LCD is fixed.
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:00:28 -0700
From: Benjamin Koh <benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: "Cottrell, Eric" <ecottrell@Doble.com>
CC: ThinkPad list <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

I'm sure everyone on this list is glad you saved yourself an unnecessary
expense. Put it towards the next Thinkpad!

best wishes
Benjamin

"Cottrell, Eric" wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Well I finally got some time to look at my 365ED closely.  I found the
> problem!
> It was a connector that came off on the lcd.  I had this happen before and I
> thought I had check the panel for that when it first failed.
>
> The back of the LCD has two long narrow printed circuit boards going across
> the width of the panel.  One is at the top and the other at the bottom.
> There
> are little snap-in connectors that connect these to the main board on the
> side
> of the LCD where the motherboard connector connects.  When I took
> the LCD out and pressed on one of the little snap-in connectors it
> snapped back into place.
>
> I think part of the problem was I lost one of the mounting screws for the
> panel.  The missing screw was near where the loose connector was so
> I figured that opening and closing of the lid may have cause the LCD panel
> to flex more in that area and it worked the connector loose.  I was able to
> find
> another metric screw to replace the missing one so I will see if this solves
> the
> problem.
>
> So my new laptop plans are on-hold for now.  I will keep my eye open for
> a super deal on a older 770.
>
> 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: 701CS seems dead...
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:18:51 -0400
From: Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
To: Greg Lara <greg@highwire.net>
CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu

Greg..
sometimes, the on/off switch requires some very positive pressure to activiate
the switch inside...

also, be sure the ac plug is making contact in the socket..

thats about all i can think of for now..  :-)

Greg Lara wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> A client of mine has a TP 701CS. She complained that it wasn't starting up,
> and when I looked at it, it indeed did not respond to the power switch. I
> tested the AC adapter with a meter, and it looks like it's cranking out the
> requisite voltage. I know that the battery has been dead for some time, and
> that she has been using it exclusively with the adapter. I'm wondering if
> this behavior has been seen before by anyone here who might know what this
> could be. I was told that it hadn't suffered any damage (falls, blows), but
> you never know...
>
> If anyone can offer anything, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg L.

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  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: 365XD Video Drivers
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 02:51:30 -0800
From: "LightSide" <robertm@az.com>
To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" <THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU>

Hello,

I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it
and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color.
However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external
monitors only.

So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like
TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths.

Robert

Robert Mears
Certified Key and Button Pusher
robertm@az.com
OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:02:38 -0000
From: Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk>

I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory.

The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get.

Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard?

- Adam

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard
Author:  MIME:Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk> at INTERNET
Date:    30/03/99 09:54

I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one.

Any advice in this area would be appreciated.

- Adam
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Cambridge
CB2 5NH
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  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:03:49 -0400
From: Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
To: LightSide <robertm@az.com>
CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

Theres a limit..
don't know about the 365X series, but its more than 256 colors, depending upon the particular machine..
its all there, in the manuals and specs for each machine on the IBM web site..
you know, RTFM.. Read The F------ Manual!,
or
Read The Fine Manual..  :-)

LightSide wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it
> and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color.
> However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external
> monitors only.
>
> So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like
> TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths.
>
> Robert
>
> Robert Mears
> Certified Key and Button Pusher
> robertm@az.com
> OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

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WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:32 -0400
From: Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
To: Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu

take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site..
i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements..
i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you can't find it, let me know..  :-)

Adam Quantrill wrote:

> I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top of the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory.
>
> The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 32 bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get.
>
> Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard?
>
> - Adam
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard
> Author:  MIME:Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk> at INTERNET
> Date:    30/03/99 09:54
>
> I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location to chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one.
>
> Any advice in this area would be appreciated.
>
> - Adam
> ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited  Tel: +44 1223 875200
> Harston Mill                 Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom               http://www.generics.co.uk Harston
> Cambridge
> CB2 5NH
> Registered in England No 2081960
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientific Generics Limited  Tel: +44 1223 875200
> Harston Mill                 Fax: +44 1223 875201
> United Kingdom               http://www.generics.co.uk
> Harston
> Cambridge
> CB2 5NH
> Registered in England No 2081960
> ------------------------------------------------------------

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  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re[2]: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:37:34 -0000
From: Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk>
To: Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu

If by that you mean http://www.pc.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol2/5.0

then I've had a look and there are no pcb layout diagrams identifying the memory chips.

Let me know any other URLs to look under, if there is more info out there, thanks,

- Adam

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: [755C] Memory parity problem - some success
Author:  MIME:Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net> at INTERNET
Date:    07/04/99 13:23

take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site.. i've seen memory maps, though not chip placements..
i have that address on another machine, busy this morning, gotta run, if you can't find it, let me know..  :-)

Adam Quantrill wrote:

> I got the data sheets on the chips and my assumption was correct - each is 512k*9bits. I have lifted the power supply pins on a number of the chips and got '1668KB OK' so I then added the expansion ram and that quite happily sits on top o
the new memory boundary. I'm not sure that I have disconnected the chip that was giving gyp (!) but it now all works albeit with slightly reduced memory. >
> The question still stands, however, what is the arrangement of memory chips in the memory map? I reckon on there being 16 bit words so I have to disconnect maximum 2 chips, leaving me with 3MB on the motherboard. However if the bus were 3
bits wide I'd have to disconnect 4 chips. But the question is which 2/which 4? I've disconnected a few chips at a time but there doesn't seem to be an unambiguous logical relationship (so far) between which chip/what memory you get.
>
> Anyone with any clues as to the placing of the memory chips on this motherboard?
>
> - Adam
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: [755C] Memory parity problem on motherboard
> Author:  MIME:Adam Quantrill <aquantrill@scigen.co.uk> at INTERNET > Date:    30/03/99 09:54
>
> I've disassembled my 755C and there are no obvious cracks or bad soldering on what I take to be the RAM chips (HM514900ALTT7R) but nevertheless I intend to reflow them just in case. Does anyone know the correspondence of memory location t
chip? As there are 8 of them I assume it's one chip per half megabyte, each being 9 bits wide as you can have parity. I'd rather reflow and/or replace just the duff chip, and as the error is at 3.7MB it will be the last one. >
> Any advice in this area would be appreciated. >
> - Adam
> ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited  Tel: +44 1223 875200
> Harston Mill                 Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom            http://www.generics.co.uk Harston
> Cambridge
> CB2 5NH
> Registered in England No 2081960
> ------------------------------------------------------------ >
> ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited  Tel: +44 1223 875200
> Harston Mill                 Fax: +44 1223 875201
> United Kingdom               http://www.generics.co.uk > Harston
> Cambridge
> CB2 5NH
> Registered in England No 2081960
> ------------------------------------------------------------

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WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..

 -----------------------------------------------------------
Scientific Generics Limited  Tel: +44 1223 875200
Harston Mill                 Fax: +44 1223 875201
United Kingdom               http://www.generics.co.uk
Harston
Cambridge
CB2 5NH
Registered in England No 2081960
 -----------------------------------------------------------

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: (TP770E) DVD error message
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:45:46 -0400
From: Henry Katz <hkatz@gate.net>
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu

I'm using a program and data base on CD in my new TP770E DVD drive and
the following full screen (DOS) message keeps coming up as the program
runs:
' Error reading CD-ROM Drive F: Please insert CD-ROM with Serial Number
xxx in Drive F:  If the CD-ROM is still in the Drive, it may require
cleaning. Press ENTER for OK or ESC to cancel. OK... '
When I hit enter the message clears and the program continues running.
I've been using this Program/Data CD on my TP380ED for several months
without problem. Does anyone know what's causing the error message in
the 770E DVD ?

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: [365XD Video Drivers]
Date: 07 Apr 1999 09:49:03 -0500
From: Rob Bell <rbell1@netscape.net>
To: LightSide <robertm@az.com>, "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

I run my 770 at 64K colors in 1024x768.  The display settings say it can do
true color at 800x600.  This is on the lower-end P233 with 13.3 LCD, so I'm
sure the higher end 770s can do better.  Color depth is mainly tied to the
amount of video ram the the video card has.

HTH,
Rob

"LightSide" <robertm@az.com> wrote:
> So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it
just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like
> TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths.

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Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:08:22 -0700
From: Benjamin Koh <benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: LightSide <robertm@az.com>
CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>

Almost all LCDs today will do at least 16-bit color, and most reach
18-bit, although they accept a 24 bit signal. I'm sure all the recent
Thinkpads will reach 18 bit or better; your 365XD is a comparatively old
model so you may be out of luck. For a time dual scans were limited to
256 colors due to inferior contrast; quality has gone up and the new
HPAs do 24 bit too, or at least accept a 24 bit signal. My 560X is
running in 24 bit color at 800x600, although technically the LCD outputs
only 18 bits.

Benjamin

LightSide wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new video driver for it. I downloaded it
> and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding allow the LCD to display true color.
> However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the extra color depth was for external
> monitors only.
>
> So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like
> TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths.
>
> Robert
>
> Robert Mears
> Certified Key and Button Pusher
> robertm@az.com
> OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: 365XD Video Drivers
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:13:00 -0700
From: "David S. Crombie" <david@crombie.com>
To: "LightSide" <robertm@az.com>
CC: "Thinkpad List" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>

I run my 365XD @ 800X600 at 16bit or 64K colours just fine.  My old 360c
could only display 256...
I am running Win98.

----- Original Message -----
From: LightSide <robertm@az.com>
To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:51 AM
Subject: 365XD Video Drivers

> Hello,
>
> I was skimming down the IBM file matrix for my TP 365XD and I saw a new
video driver for it. I downloaded it
> and popped it in (this is for Windows 95). It was to my understanding
allow the LCD to display true color.
> However when I re-read the docs (woo! What a concept!), I realized the
extra color depth was for external
> monitors only.
>
> So my question is, are LCD screens limited to 256 colors? And if not, is
it just my old, dusty, 1971 Gremlin like
> TP? Can other TP's say 600 series or 700 series reach those deeper depths.
>
>
> Robert
>
>
> Robert Mears
> Certified Key and Button Pusher
> robertm@az.com
> OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games
>

  --------------DC4043329099044E3E94C819-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 18:09:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16000 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19453; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:07:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19323; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.force9.net [195.166.128.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19167; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28454 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 22:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 22:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19588 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 22:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.112.93) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 22:03:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003201be820b$90b0a760$5d7038d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "Ron Heiby" Cc: Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:02:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >David, are you sure it's not the 2.0 that's on the 701, and the 1.0 on >the 560? That would make more sense. My 560 is in a 2.0; to be honest, I don't remember what my 701 was in, I was quoting from memory - might have been a 3.0 instead, but I think it *was* a 1.0 How old was you wetsuit? Ween they first came out, 10.5" was a huge screen for a laptop... - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 18:46:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16346 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21066; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:44:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20926; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20912; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA13788; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370D317D.360F9C35@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:45:17 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wetsuit dimensions References: <003201be820b$90b0a760$5d7038d4@sierpinski> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well if the wetsuits have been around that long then the dimensions change may have occurred. My 1.0 wetsuit is about 3 months old, so I guess anyone ordering one now can quite safely use the dimensions I listed. Benjamin David Ross wrote: > > >David, are you sure it's not the 2.0 that's on the 701, and the 1.0 on > >the 560? That would make more sense. > > My 560 is in a 2.0; to be honest, I don't remember what my 701 was in, > I was quoting from memory - might have been a 3.0 instead, but I think it *was* a 1.0 > > How old was you wetsuit? Ween they first came out, 10.5" was a huge screen for a laptop... > > - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 8 19:32:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16806 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23097; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:30:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22996; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.senteq.com.au (gatekeeper.senteq.com.au [203.102.140.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22972; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.sentor.com.au ([192.168.1.23]) by gatekeeper.senteq.com.au (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) with SMTP id 4A25674D.008124E2; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:30:35 +1000 Received: by grover.sentor.com.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 4A25674D.0080B258 ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:42 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SENTOR From: "Chris Scott" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <4A25674D.0080B10F.00@grover.sentor.com.au> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:25:38 +1000 Subject: dvd region swapping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Chris Scott@SENTOR 09/04/99 09:25 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU cc: Subject: dvd region swapping In reply tom the ongoing dvd region swapping debate, I can offer the following... I swap between region 1 and region 4. I have a Windows Script to do this (written by a fellow NG subscriber...thanks!) I have swapped probably about 100 times. I have had *no* error. If someone can suggest what this (probably ficticious) upper limit on swapping is, please let me know. NB: Please remember that initially IBM told us that the dvd region was *hardware* driven! c. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 02:48:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20820 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07445; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:46:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07301; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (root@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07287; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA01094 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:46:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 1063 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1999 06:46:15 -0000 Received: from mg-20425426-129.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.254.26.129) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 06:46:15 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steven Augart" , Subject: RE: Favorite Thinkpad cases? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:46:19 -0700 Message-Id: <002901be8254$ac9bfbc0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <37099DB0.DE3092AA@ISI.EDU> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Just back from vacation and catching up on messages... Besides the replies you've gotten on this, you might look at "The Pouch" at www.thepouch.com. It's a simple neoprene slipcover that's made to fit the machine exactly, and it has a single velcro-sealed outside pocket that's almost the full size of the machine. Plenty of room for the accessories. Being fairly thin neoprene, it doesn't offer a lot of protection for the machine, but it's fine to put inside a backpack. -Mike > Anyone have a favorite Thinkpad case that can fit comfortably into a > backpack? I've started using a case by "eagle creek" with my 600; > it's a slipcover design that just holds the computer and has a couple > of small unsealed outside pockets. I'm looking for something with a > sealing outside pocket or two where I could stuff the 600's > accessories if I want to have them around (disk drive, cd rom, power > supply), but which still fits nicely into a backpack. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 10:58:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA23677 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04008; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:53:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03702; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net (mail02.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03682; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from www.cloanto.com (207.158.207.191) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.2) with SMTP id 2338 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by terra.cloanto.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2Q1C3K6G>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:02:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3E44162A0A0AD21192A200AA00AD2D7307BE72@terra.cloanto.com> To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: [TP760ED/800x600] Cardbus and Windows 2000 Pro B3RC1 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:02:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop-Detect: 1 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a Xircom 10/100 Ethernet card on a 760ED (checked yesterday: latest official BIOS, dated May or June 1998), which requires Cardbus, and works fine on Windows 95, 98 and NT4. I also have Xircom drivers for Windows 2000 Pro (Beta 3 RC1). But for some reason, each time I boot in Windows 2000, Cardbus gets disabled. If it was enabled from the previous boot, e.g. 9x or NT, it still ends up being disabled when booting under 2000. I tried all interrupts which are free under 2000, just in case. If I try to run ThinkPad Configuration (the NT4 version) under 2000, it is ineffective as well (it either crashes, or it apparently allows me to enable Cardbus, but then rebooting it ends up being off again). Does perhaps anybody know how to enable Cardbus under Windows 2000 on this machine? Thanks! Michael From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 18:18:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29136 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04604; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04388; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04373; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA02044 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:15:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:15:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: but you can drool over a picture here http://www.cdw.com/product/default.asp?EDC=160063 IBM Support does not recognize this as of yet either: 2644-3AU Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 18:56:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29483 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06469; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:54:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06286; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06273; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA07696; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370E8576.24755FBB@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:55:50 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hmmm. Frankly that looks exactly like my 560X. The new TPs all seem to have the third blue trackpoint button so I would think the 570 would have it too. Also the screen looks too small to be 13.3 - the 13.3in 600s have the brightness adjustment along the bottom of the screen, not the side. Benjamin Chris Schumann wrote: > > but you can drool over a picture here > http://www.cdw.com/product/default.asp?EDC=160063 > > IBM Support does not recognize this as of yet either: 2644-3AU > > Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 19:56:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29858 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09006; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:54:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08831; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08818; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (pm1wayne1-26.c-gate.net [198.79.69.159]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19447 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002501be82e3$bfb5c3a0$9f454fc6@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: References: <370E8576.24755FBB@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Your right-that is a 560 in the picture. CDW probably just put that in there as a 'placeholder' until they get a picture of the actual unit. Eric Giles > Hmmm. Frankly that looks exactly like my 560X. The new TPs all seem to > have the third blue trackpoint button so I would think the 570 would > have it too. Also the screen looks too small to be 13.3 - the 13.3in > 600s have the brightness adjustment along the bottom of the screen, not > the side. > > Benjamin > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 20:40:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00321 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10793; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:39:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10625; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10603; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a130.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.130]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24404 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904100038.UAA24404@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a130.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.130] 209.198.80.130 Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:39:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >IBM Support does not recognize this as of yet either: 2644-3AU There aren't any IBM press releases or announcements on this, so I would think the information CDW posted is questionable. --Even though we know there is a 570 coming. hen again, I bought a 600 today so the 570 should be out next week. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 20:42:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00341 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10953; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10843; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10748; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-011.usc.edu [128.125.225.11]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA21624; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990409173505.00b968c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:39:36 -0700 To: Benjamin Koh , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... In-Reply-To: <370E8576.24755FBB@leland.stanford.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: As a matter of fact, the photo that CDW has up is *NOT* a 570 at all. If you look at the following URL (linked from IBM's web site): http://webevents.broadcast.com/ibm/thinkpad0499/home.html ...you'll see that it details a a webcast that will take place on April 20 when they announce the machine officially. What you will *also* see is a side-angle view of the 570 with its little "Ultrabase" about an inch beneath it. In that view, you can tell that it has the blue "3rd button" that Ben suggests should be there. The CDW page's picture of a supposed "570" doesn't have one. Its a fake (well, at least an error on CDW's part). - Randy Whittle At 03:55 PM 4/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hmmm. Frankly that looks exactly like my 560X. The new TPs all seem to >have the third blue trackpoint button so I would think the 570 would >have it too. Also the screen looks too small to be 13.3 - the 13.3in >600s have the brightness adjustment along the bottom of the screen, not >the side. > >Benjamin > >Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> but you can drool over a picture here >> http://www.cdw.com/product/default.asp?EDC=160063 >> >> IBM Support does not recognize this as of yet either: 2644-3AU From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 9 21:59:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01160 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14494; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:57:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14379; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14365; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-64.gate.net [199.227.20.191]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA63330; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:58:07 -0400 Message-ID: <370EAFF5.AB27E930@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:57:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 available? Not quite... References: <370E8576.24755FBB@leland.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it most likely IS a 560.. CDW thinks no one will be able to tell the difference.. obviously, they don't have a picture yet to show.. Benjamin Koh wrote: > Hmmm. Frankly that looks exactly like my 560X. The new TPs all seem to > have the third blue trackpoint button so I would think the 570 would > have it too. Also the screen looks too small to be 13.3 - the 13.3in > 600s have the brightness adjustment along the bottom of the screen, not > the side. > > Benjamin > > Chris Schumann wrote: > > > > but you can drool over a picture here > > http://www.cdw.com/product/default.asp?EDC=160063 > > > > IBM Support does not recognize this as of yet either: 2644-3AU > > > > Chris Schumann -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 11:20:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07467 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10879; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:16:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10646; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10628; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kagg7.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.66.7]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05765; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008601be8364$f3cfc240$074245cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Kevin Toner" , References: Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:15:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Kevin, Can I still get the driver that connected between 51K-53K? Do you think it would work on my i1721? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for my TP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the fix? Thanks in advance. Kevin Toner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 15:26:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10010 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19637; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19405; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19391; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-168-106.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.168.106]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA34712 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:18:25 GMT Message-ID: <370FA3F7.22C1BD6B@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:18:15 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Thinkpad list member. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi. I am just joining this list.. as requested here is my thinkpad: Thinkpad 765L Pentium 166MMX 64meg of RAM. 3 GB HD 3Com X-Jack 56K V.90 PCMCIA modem. Windows 95 OSR 2.0 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 18:36:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12270 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03682; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:33:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03464; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (iscorp@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03421; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iscorp@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/SAS.05) id SAA11210 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee Wang) Message-Id: <199904102233.SAA11210@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: [TP755C] new member To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I'm a new user of TP755C. Very excited about this "old" machine and hopefully I could upgrade it soon to Windows 95 platform. If you have xtra credit-card memory module (either 16MB/32MB) or original win95 diskettes (full version) for sale, email me your lowest price. I won't bargain. Thanks for this list, Jamee Wang ---------------------------- THINKPAD 755C 80486 75 MHZ, 4MB Ram, 336MB HD, 1.44 Disk Drive 1> Software I use, mostly DOS version. DOS 6.22 (main OS) Windows 3.1 (installed but not used) MS Kermit 3.15 Quicken 4.0 <- Really out of date! 12/31/99 will be the last entry! WordPerfect 5.1 ApplePC 2.52 Turbo C 2.0 Norton Utility 8.0 2> External Hardware. US Robotics 14400 Fax Modem Hewett Packard Deskjet 310 Microsoft Mouse 3> Want-to-buy List. 16 or 32 MB credit-card memory module (for TP755C) Windows 95 original floppy disks (full version) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 18:42:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12319 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05418; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:40:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04941; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04536; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-8.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.8]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07249 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990410184249.0160fca0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:42:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: SelectaDock III In-Reply-To: <370FA3F7.22C1BD6B@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the cheapest source for new/used/refurb SelectaDock III's or II's? 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 19:06:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12555 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09426; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:05:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09258; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09240; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id QAA03528; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370FD981.1B8FDF9D@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:06:41 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamee Wang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP755C] new member References: <199904102233.SAA11210@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jamee, have you considered buying a CD-ROM module for your machine if it supports it? If there's a modular bay chances are it can use a CD-ROM drive. It'll probably be less than $50 (eBay has one now for $27) and you can use CDs for software installation instead of floppies. Bill Morrow and others on this list should be able to confirm if your 755C can indeed use a CD-ROM. Good luck. Benjamin Jamee Wang wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm a new user of TP755C. Very excited about this "old" machine and > hopefully I could upgrade it soon to Windows 95 platform. > > If you have xtra credit-card memory module (either 16MB/32MB) or > original win95 diskettes (full version) for sale, email me your lowest > price. I won't bargain. > > Thanks for this list, > Jamee Wang > > ---------------------------- > > THINKPAD 755C 80486 75 MHZ, 4MB Ram, 336MB HD, 1.44 Disk Drive > > 1> Software I use, mostly DOS version. > > DOS 6.22 (main OS) > Windows 3.1 (installed but not used) > MS Kermit 3.15 > Quicken 4.0 <- Really out of date! 12/31/99 will be the last entry! > WordPerfect 5.1 > ApplePC 2.52 > Turbo C 2.0 > Norton Utility 8.0 > > 2> External Hardware. > > US Robotics 14400 Fax Modem > Hewett Packard Deskjet 310 > Microsoft Mouse > > 3> Want-to-buy List. > > 16 or 32 MB credit-card memory module (for TP755C) > Windows 95 original floppy disks (full version) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 19:17:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12668 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10095; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:11:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09967; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09954; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ron-s-thinkpad ([12.77.29.238]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990410231022.BKPF17608@ron-s-thinkpad> for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:10:22 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01BE8385.EA3E6800.rjross@worldnet.att.net> From: "Ronald J. Ross" Reply-To: "rjross@worldnet.att.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 03:02:52 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: RJR Consultants, Inc, X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What is the difference between W95 original and W95 OSR2. How can I ensure that I purchase or have the correct one. Thanks! Ron Ronald J. Ross RJR Consultants, Inc rjross@worldnet.att.net 601 Grandin Rd. 704 335-3303 Voice/Fax Charlotte, NC 28208 Human Resource Development Consulting & Training From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 20:45:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13608 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12613; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:38:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12468; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12454; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp20.epix.net [199.224.125.20]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999032301/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id UAA12412 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904110038.UAA12412@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: jt@epix.net Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:37:02 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <370FD981.1B8FDF9D@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: [TP755C] new member X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: In <370FD981.1B8FDF9D@leland.stanford.edu>, on 04/10/99 at 04:06 PM, Benjamin Koh typed: >Jamee, have you considered buying a CD-ROM module for your machine if it >supports it? If there's a modular bay chances are it can use a CD-ROM >drive. It'll probably be less than $50 (eBay has one now for $27) and you >can use CDs for software installation instead of floppies. What should definitely work is an external CDROM like the backpack parallel port model. For any cdrom install, one needs to maybe customize the W9x install diskette with the cdrom drivers (the diskette itself is a form of DOS, afaik). -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- If God had inteded man to smoke, He would have set him on fire. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 20:50:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13683 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12992; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12845; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crius.flash.net (crius.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12803; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from system (p239-62.atnt3.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.239.62]) by crius.flash.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05221 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:42:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Collins" To: Subject: TP 560x Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01be83b4$6c5f7620$3eef1ed1@system> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: I bought a used 560X, and am having trouble getting it to recognize the PCMCIA modem. I am contemplating a reinstall of WIN95 and then reinstall all the IBM stuff related to it that I recently dl'ed via the IBM website. I have a parallel CD-ROM, my original WIN95 CD - not the IBM recovery CD, and my boot disk. Any pointers to get this ball rolling? No manuals came with the notebook. Thanks, Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 10 22:49:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14759 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16153; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15966; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15953; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.88]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990411024632.DPKX17608@88.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:46:32 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: TP 560x Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:46:16 GMT Message-ID: <3711058b.18549042@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <01be83b4$6c5f7620$3eef1ed1@system> In-Reply-To: <01be83b4$6c5f7620$3eef1ed1@system> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:44:14 -0500, "Tom Collins" wrote: >I bought a used 560X, and am having trouble getting it to recognize the PCMCIA >modem. I am contemplating a reinstall of WIN95 and then reinstall all the IBM >stuff related to it that I recently dl'ed via the IBM website. > >I have a parallel CD-ROM, my original WIN95 CD - not the IBM recovery CD, and my >boot disk. > >Any pointers to get this ball rolling? No manuals came with the notebook. > Do any other pc cards work with the system? Have you made sure that you don't have two card managers running? Some people load Card Director or whatever even though Windows PCMCIA manager is running already, and that causes problems. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 07:50:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18034 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05826; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:49:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05681; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05572; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19146 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 11:46:56 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 11:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 150 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 11:46:01 -0000 Received: from 32.hiper04.access.free-online.net (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.116.32) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 11:46:01 -0000 Message-ID: <002201be8410$b4f12bc0$207438d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Tom Collins" , References: <01be83b4$6c5f7620$3eef1ed1@system> Subject: Re: TP 560x Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:44:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > I bought a used 560X, and am having trouble getting it to recognize the PCMCIA > modem. > I have a parallel CD-ROM, my original WIN95 CD - not the IBM recovery CD, and my > boot disk. Presumably you've checked the W95 resources used by all the devices, to make sure there's no interference (e.g, that the CD-ROM and the modem aren't trying to use the same IRQ, or even DMA if the modem is a winmodem). You might have to go into Thinkpad Features and turn off some device you're not using (e.g., IRDA). - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 12:45:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20072 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11389; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:40:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11133; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11120; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-243-137.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.243.137]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA117418 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:39:40 GMT Message-ID: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:39:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Memory for 760CD, 770ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades were not available then. Has anyone tried this? Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then $408 (Crucial Technology)? Thanks, Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 12:54:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20231 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11900; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:51:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11754; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11741; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.85]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990411165052.FWIL1269@770>; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:50:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3710D2F8.404D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:51:04 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: resolute@ibm.net CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory for 760CD, 770ED References: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 760CD has 56 Megs. The CD will disregard the on board memory, but 56 seems to be the max. resolute@ibm.net wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO > DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is > will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB > on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that > came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades > were not available then. Has anyone tried this? > > Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then > $408 (Crucial Technology)? > > Thanks, > Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 13:00:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20355 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12424; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12141; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (root@main.ismi.net [206.31.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12128; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denhall (hi3bri-37.ismi.net [208.165.239.149]) by main.ismi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24770; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801be8444$97a88980$95efa5d0@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Mark Bell" , Subject: Re: SelectaDock III Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello Mark, I think the cheapest source for SelectaDocks would be me :) I have a good supply of Like New slightly used Selectadock II units which I just received a couple weeks ago...I will sell these for $175 to any interested parties... Feel free to contact me via phone with questions at: 810.229.2881 or email denhall@ismi.net Looking forward to speaking to you.... Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 5:42 PM Subject: SelectaDock III >Does anyone know the cheapest source for new/used/refurb >SelectaDock III's or II's? I also need a source for AC >cable's for the TP770 series (three prong, triangle, non >nema type), thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------ >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------ >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation > ------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 13:00:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20374 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12678; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12194; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (root@main.ismi.net [206.31.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12169; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denhall (hi3bri-37.ismi.net [208.165.239.149]) by main.ismi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25036; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004301be8444$d67b4d00$95efa5d0@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Jamee Wang" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP755C] new member Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry...755c does not support internal cdrom... Best bet is PCMCIA CDRom...I suggest Panasonic. Better, faster, more versatile than the standard internal unit anyway... -----Original Message----- From: Jamee Wang To: Thinkpad Mailing List Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 5:33 PM Subject: [TP755C] new member >Hello, > >I'm a new user of TP755C. Very excited about this "old" machine and >hopefully I could upgrade it soon to Windows 95 platform. > >If you have xtra credit-card memory module (either 16MB/32MB) or >original win95 diskettes (full version) for sale, email me your lowest >price. I won't bargain. > >Thanks for this list, >Jamee Wang > >---------------------------- > > THINKPAD 755C 80486 75 MHZ, 4MB Ram, 336MB HD, 1.44 Disk Drive > >1> Software I use, mostly DOS version. > > DOS 6.22 (main OS) > Windows 3.1 (installed but not used) > MS Kermit 3.15 > Quicken 4.0 <- Really out of date! 12/31/99 will be the last entry! > WordPerfect 5.1 > ApplePC 2.52 > Turbo C 2.0 > Norton Utility 8.0 > >2> External Hardware. > > US Robotics 14400 Fax Modem > Hewett Packard Deskjet 310 > Microsoft Mouse > >3> Want-to-buy List. > > 16 or 32 MB credit-card memory module (for TP755C) > Windows 95 original floppy disks (full version) > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 13:06:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20474 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13298; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13125; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13112; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id KAA12382; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3710D624.CFC87DF1@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:04:36 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: resolute@ibm.net CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory for 760CD, 770ED References: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I recall reading somewhere that the 760's go to 104MB (8+32+64) so you may want to spring for a 64MB to get 88MB (64+16+8). Benjamin resolute@ibm.net wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO > DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is > will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB > on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that > came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades > were not available then. Has anyone tried this? > > Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then > $408 (Crucial Technology)? > > Thanks, > Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 13:16:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20611 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13909; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13750; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13737; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.85]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990411171242.ETOI27891@770>; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3710D815.5BAA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:12:53 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: resolute@ibm.net, ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory for 760CD, 770ED References: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> <3710D624.CFC87DF1@leland.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I thjink that is on the "E" series, not the CD! Benjamin Koh wrote: > > I recall reading somewhere that the 760's go to 104MB (8+32+64) so you > may want to spring for a 64MB to get 88MB (64+16+8). > > Benjamin > > resolute@ibm.net wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO > > DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is > > will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB > > on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that > > came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades > > were not available then. Has anyone tried this? > > > > Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then > > $408 (Crucial Technology)? > > > > Thanks, > > Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 14:13:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21131 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15935; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:09:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15733; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15718; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kaha4.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.69.68]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27822 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01be8446$563d7d00$444545cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: i1721 and Other TP Models Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:08:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE841C.6C85A080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE841C.6C85A080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology (300 = MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a reasonable = price (for a TP) . The i Series seems to be priced to capture a piece = of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the quality, performance = and service TP owners expect. So, how come there is so little = discussion about the i Series here? I think I have heard from only one = other person in this list that has one. By comparison, we cannot get our = hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much discussion. As a = newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are revered with = almost cult status, but the i Series is probably destined for oblivion. = Can anyone explain this? Also, can anyone technically compare the i = Series to other TP models? For one thing, I read it is the only TP = built by IBM. It also is thicker and heavier that other models. Thanks, Chuck ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE841C.6C85A080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology = (300=20 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a reasonable = price=20 (for a TP) .  The i Series seems to be priced = to capture a=20 piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the quality,=20 performance and service TP owners expect.  So, how come there is so = little=20 discussion about the i Series here?  I think I have heard from only = one other person in this list that has one. By = comparison, we=20 cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much=20 discussion.  As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain=20 models are revered with almost cult status, but the i Series = is=20 probably destined for oblivion.  Can anyone explain this?  = Also,=20 can anyone technically compare the i Series to other TP = models? =20 For one thing, I read it is the only TP built by IBM.  It also is = thicker=20 and heavier that other models.
 
Thanks,
Chuck
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE841C.6C85A080-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 17:04:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22457 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21358; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:00:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21042; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21012; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-3.gate.net [199.227.131.194]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA19500; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <37110D6A.EACDFC7D@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:00:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: resolute@ibm.net, ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory for 760CD, 770ED References: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> <3710D624.CFC87DF1@leland.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: only the 760E series goes to 104megs.. by using the Apricorn 32meg DIMM carrier plus two 32meg DIMM's.. thus 32 + 32 + 32 + 8 = 104 remember the cache limit of these machines is 64megs.. Benjamin Koh wrote: > I recall reading somewhere that the 760's go to 104MB (8+32+64) so you > may want to spring for a 64MB to get 88MB (64+16+8). > > Benjamin > > resolute@ibm.net wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO > > DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is > > will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB > > on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that > > came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades > > were not available then. Has anyone tried this? > > > > Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then > > $408 (Crucial Technology)? > > > > Thanks, > > Rob -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 17:04:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22474 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21205; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20876; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20859; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-3.gate.net [199.227.131.194]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA437940; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:59:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37110D02.B8F7A422@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:58:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: resolute@ibm.net CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory for 760CD, 770ED References: <3710D044.AA5455F8@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 1. MAX memory on 760C series is 64megs.. this MAY produce video driver problems when using win9x.. best memory size for 760C series is 56megs.. 8 + 16 + 32 2. Crucial sounds suspiciously similar to simple.. if you can get the 128meg part from them for $408, then go for it.. my wholesale on 128meg parts from apricorn is $480 or more.. from Viking its $425.. i get a deal from goldenram since i know the someone, so i can sell their 128meg parts for $450 and makes some $$ while doing it.. resolute@ibm.net wrote: > Hello, > > I have a 760CD with 40MB (8MB on the system board and 2 16MB SO > DIMMs). Crucial Technology offers 32MB upgrades. My question is > will the 760CD recognize and use a total of 72MB of memory (8MB > on the system board and 2 32MB SO DIMMs)? The documentation that > came with the computer says 40MB is the max but the 32MB upgrades > were not available then. Has anyone tried this? > > Also, has anyone seen a 128MB upgrade for the 770ED for less then > $408 (Crucial Technology)? > > Thanks, > Rob -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 18:47:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23208 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24111; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:35:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23976; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23951; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cueve (dynamic60.fbtc.net [204.2.11.60]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06135; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:35:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005301be846b$0371a860$3c0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: , Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 package in the store it's the original version. A way around this is to go to a small computer store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of them have them for sale for a fraction of the package in the larger stores. This isn't allowed by the license but it's commonly done and I personally can't see a thing wrong with it. It's not piracy. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Ronald J. Ross To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 2:02 AM >What is the difference between W95 original and W95 OSR2. How can I >ensure that I purchase or have the correct one. > >Thanks! > >Ron > > > > >Ronald J. Ross RJR Consultants, Inc > rjross@worldnet.att.net 601 Grandin Rd. > 704 335-3303 Voice/Fax Charlotte, NC 28208 > Human Resource Development Consulting & Training > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 18:58:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23316 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24752; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24584; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woodyjr.wcnet.org (woodyjr.wcnet.org [205.133.171.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24553; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peach.z.org. (IDENT:jzawodn@find-cas3-cs-23.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.228]) by woodyjr.wcnet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28697 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External Video on TP 380D w/Linux? X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 11 Apr 1999 18:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: Organization: The Prout Group Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Posted-To: comp.os.linux.misc List-Unsubscribe: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.os.linux.misc as well. I've had a ThinkPad 380D for about half a year now and it's been happily running various flavors on Linux. I've been using the binary X Server for the NeoMagic chip set provided by Red Hat software (XBF-neomagic-glibc-1.1.0-1.i386 to be exact). I have absolutely no trouble with it. Works great on the built in screen. The config file that server shipped with worked out of the box. But now I want to feed an external video source using the same resolution (800x600) and color depth (16bps) so that I can project it on a wall and demo some stuff at meeting. So, as a test, I hooked it up to my NEC MultiSync XV17. And I couldn't get squat out of it. When I press the key combination for "activate external video" the NEC's green light comes on for a second and it then acts as if it is seeing no signal at all. After inspecting my XF86Config file, it would appear that I need a definition for the external video that the NeoMagic server groks. Any ideas? Anyone done this before successfully? Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 19:05:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23363 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25508; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:01:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25357; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25343; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.253.1]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26089; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:57:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.7.1/8.7.1.2pm+udb) id BAA19889; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:00:29 +0200 (MET DST) To: comp.os.linux.misc@tu-darmstadt.de Sender: news@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de Path: news.tu-darmstadt.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.rr.com!denws01.mw.mediaone.net!news.altair.com!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!205.212.123.11!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: External Video on TP 380D w/Linux? Date: 11 Apr 1999 18:53:50 -0400 Organization: The Prout Group Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: find-cas3-cs-23.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Xref: news.tu-darmstadt.de comp.os.linux.misc:358222 List-Unsubscribe: I've had a ThinkPad 380D for about half a year now and it's been happily running various flavors on Linux. I've been using the binary X Server for the NeoMagic chip set provided by Red Hat software (XBF-neomagic-glibc-1.1.0-1.i386 to be exact). I have absolutely no trouble with it. Works great on the built in screen. The config file that server shipped with worked out of the box. But now I want to feed an external video source using the same resolution (800x600) and color depth (16bps) so that I can project it on a wall and demo some stuff at meeting. So, as a test, I hooked it up to my NEC MultiSync XV17. And I couldn't get squat out of it. When I press the key combination for "activate external video" the NEC's green light comes on for a second and it then acts as if it is seeing no signal at all. After inspecting my XF86Config file, it would appear that I need a definition for the external video that the NeoMagic server groks. Any ideas? Anyone done this before successfully? Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 19:48:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23741 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27612; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:45:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27371; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27350; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from test (ws-209-233-224-69.pacbell.net [209.233.224.69] (may be forged)) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id QAA08423 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004e01be8475$0f20f210$45e0e9d1@galender.com> From: "Dan Galender" To: Subject: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:43:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01BE843A.62356A70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BE843A.62356A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I = thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of the = subscribers to this list. I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI PCCards = (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480). What I can't seem to be able to do = with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot floppy which = will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt (do I = use a device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I = think I've tried them all). [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore = to copy a partition image from one 770 to the other.] Neither PCCard = documentation from Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue. I = only need to get one PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot = floppy with that PCCard in both machines), so I'll settle for either if = I can't get both. Has anyone else done this? And if so, how? Thanks in advance. -Dan Galender ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BE843A.62356A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This may be more of an Adaptec question = than a=20 ThinkPad one, but I thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast=20 expertise of the subscribers to this list.
 
I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a = Z) and two=20 Adaptec SCSI PCCards (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).  What I = can't seem=20 to be able to do with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot = floppy=20 which will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt = (do I use=20 a device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I think = I've tried=20 them all).  [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a = partition=20 image from one 770 to the other.]  Neither PCCard documentation = from=20 Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue.  I only need to get = one=20 PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that PCCard = in both=20 machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both.
 
Has anyone else done this?  And if = so,=20 how?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
-Dan = Galender
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BE843A.62356A70-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 19:53:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23773 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27932; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27765; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27751; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-3.gate.net [199.227.131.194]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA176642; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37113524.1F02A995@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:49:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks CC: rjross@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: References: <005301be846b$0371a860$3c0b02cc@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND.. later versions supported USB ports.. and there is a workaround on my web site (for as long as my web site lasts) that will show you how to load win95B over win95.. Barry Marks wrote: > W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. > The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. > If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 > years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 > package in the store it's the original version. > > A way around this is to go to a small computer > store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of > them have them for sale for a fraction of the > package in the larger stores. > > This isn't allowed by the license but it's > commonly done and I personally can't see a thing > wrong with it. It's not piracy. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald J. Ross > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 2:02 AM > > >What is the difference between W95 original and > W95 OSR2. How can I > >ensure that I purchase or have the correct one. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > >Ronald J. Ross RJR Consultants, Inc > > rjross@worldnet.att.net 601 Grandin Rd. > > 704 335-3303 Voice/Fax Charlotte, NC 28208 > > Human Resource Development Consulting & > Training > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:03:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23831 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28673; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:59:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28407; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28379; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:59:06 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id TAA04600 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904112357.TAA04600@dub-img-ims-5.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:55:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: >A way around this is to go to a small computer >store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >them have them for sale for a fraction of the >package in the larger stores. As I had pointed out to me some months ago (and as I've since discovered), one can use Partition Magic to change a partition from FAT to FAT32. If that's the only reason for getting OSR2, it might be cheaper than Windows, even a break-the-license copy from a small shop. My TP600 will not create a partition as FAT32 out of the box, despite running OSR2. I tried when I first got it, and IBM support told me it's because it's running IBM DOS 7 instead of DOS 6.22 (under the Windows, that is). Whatever the reason, I've had no trouble changing to FAT32 with Partition Magic. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:04:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23863 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28894; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:00:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28474; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28451; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-3.gate.net [199.227.131.194]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA87324; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37113789.4CD4900A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:00:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chuck S." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models References: <000c01be8446$563d7d00$444545cf@thinkpad1721i> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FFF33A74CF26BB75BD6C0CB4" List-Unsubscribe: --------------FFF33A74CF26BB75BD6C0CB4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "i" series is a retail only machine.. i, as a PC VAR, can not get one from my distributor.. OTH, i can get 770Z's and have sold 4 (on to myself) and three to others.. the "i" series is reputed to be a very good machine, but i must admit that i have never seen one.. reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are all being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of them.. (its the only reason other than there is little to discuss since it works pretty well) IRT built by IBM..??!! nothing is built by anybody anymore.. IBM memory is, at various times, samsung, hitachi, Apex, Goldenram, Apricorn, Viking (i think) and more.. HDD's all are IBM of course.. displays come from various sources.. the newer ones from the IBM/Toshiba consortium.. unless thats old news.. so when you say built by IBM, please be more specific.. :-) the 770Z's are all assembled in Maxico, the early 770X's (all i had) were assembled in Japan.. when i send a HDD to a fellow in Italy, i put on the customs declaration "Assembled in the USA of US and non-US components) because i assemble the HDD in the HDD shell which is made in the USA, while the IBM HDD might be made in Japan, Thailand, Hungary, Scotland, Singapore or most any other place they put up a factory.. :-) Chuck S. wrote: > I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology > (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a > reasonable price (for a TP) . The i Series seems to be priced to > capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the > quality, performance and service TP owners expect. So, how come there > is so little discussion about the i Series here? I think I have heard > from only one other person in this list that has one. By comparison, > we cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated > much discussion. As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain > models are revered with almost cult status, but the i Series is > probably destined for oblivion. Can anyone explain this? Also, can > anyone technically compare the i Series to other TP models? For one > thing, I read it is the only TP built by IBM. It also is thicker and > heavier that other models. Thanks,Chuck -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------FFF33A74CF26BB75BD6C0CB4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "i" series is a retail only machine..
i, as a PC VAR, can not get one from my distributor..
OTH, i can get 770Z's and have sold 4 (on to myself) and three to others..
the "i" series is reputed to be a very good machine, but i must admit that i have never seen one..

reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are all being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of them.. (its the only reason other than there is little to discuss since it works pretty well<g>)

IRT built by IBM..??!!
nothing is built by anybody anymore..
IBM memory is, at various times, samsung, hitachi, Apex, Goldenram, Apricorn, Viking (i think) and more..
HDD's all are IBM of course..
displays come from various sources..
the newer ones from the IBM/Toshiba consortium.. unless thats old news..
so when you say built by IBM, please be more specific..  :-)
the 770Z's are all assembled in Maxico, the early 770X's (all i had) were assembled in Japan..
when i send a HDD to a fellow in Italy, i put on the customs declaration "Assembled in the USA of US and non-US components) because i assemble the HDD in the HDD shell which is made in the USA, while the IBM HDD might be made in Japan, Thailand, Hungary, Scotland, Singapore or most any other place they put up a factory..  :-)

Chuck S. wrote:

  I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a reasonable price (for a TP) .  The i Series seems to be priced to capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the quality, performance and service TP owners expect.  So, how come there is so little discussion about the i Series here?  I think I have heard from only one other person in this list that has one. By comparison, we cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much discussion.  As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are revered with almost cult status, but the i Series is probably destined for oblivion.  Can anyone explain this?  Also, can anyone technically compare the i Series to other TP models?  For one thing, I read it is the only TP built by IBM.  It also is thicker and heavier that other models. Thanks,Chuck
 

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** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
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770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------FFF33A74CF26BB75BD6C0CB4-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:18:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23990 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29770; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:15:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29551; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29537; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kaha4.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.69.68]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05751; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011e01be8479$65022060$444545cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <000c01be8446$563d7d00$444545cf@thinkpad1721i> <37113789.4CD4900A@icanect.net> Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:14:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011B_01BE844F.7B6BD5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BE844F.7B6BD5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Bill. I wasn't aware of it's retail only status. BTW, when I = referred to 770Z earlier, I really meant the new 570. Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Morrow=20 To: Chuck S.=20 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models The "i" series is a retail only machine..=20 i, as a PC VAR, can not get one from my distributor..=20 OTH, i can get 770Z's and have sold 4 (on to myself) and three to = others..=20 the "i" series is reputed to be a very good machine, but i must admit = that i have never seen one..=20 reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are = all being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of = them.. (its the only reason other than there is little to discuss since = it works pretty well)=20 IRT built by IBM..??!!=20 nothing is built by anybody anymore..=20 IBM memory is, at various times, samsung, hitachi, Apex, Goldenram, = Apricorn, Viking (i think) and more..=20 HDD's all are IBM of course..=20 displays come from various sources..=20 the newer ones from the IBM/Toshiba consortium.. unless thats old = news..=20 so when you say built by IBM, please be more specific.. :-)=20 the 770Z's are all assembled in Maxico, the early 770X's (all i had) = were assembled in Japan..=20 when i send a HDD to a fellow in Italy, i put on the customs = declaration "Assembled in the USA of US and non-US components) because i = assemble the HDD in the HDD shell which is made in the USA, while the = IBM HDD might be made in Japan, Thailand, Hungary, Scotland, Singapore = or most any other place they put up a factory.. :-)=20 Chuck S. wrote:=20 I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current = technology (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted = at a reasonable price (for a TP) . The i Series seems to be priced to = capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the = quality, performance and service TP owners expect. So, how come there = is so little discussion about the i Series here? I think I have heard = >from only one other person in this list that has one. By comparison, we = cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much = discussion. As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are = revered with almost cult status, but the i Series is probably destined = for oblivion. Can anyone explain this? Also, can anyone technically = compare the i Series to other TP models? For one thing, I read it is = the only TP built by IBM. It also is thicker and heavier that other = models. Thanks,Chuck =20 --=20 Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...=20 ** Bill Morrow ** :-)=20 Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop=20 WEB page http://thinkpads.com=20 Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html=20 bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net=20 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...=20 Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage = will vary, Done on a=20 closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BE844F.7B6BD5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Bill.  I wasn't aware of it's retail = only=20 status.  BTW, when I referred to 770Z earlier, I really meant = the new=20 570.
 
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Morrow
To: Chuck=20 S.
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 = 7:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP = Models

The "i" series is a retail only machine..
i, as a = PC VAR,=20 can not get one from my distributor..
OTH, i can get 770Z's and = have sold=20 4 (on to myself) and three to others..
the "i" series is reputed = to be a=20 very good machine, but i must admit that i have never seen one..=20

reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are = all=20 being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of = them.. (its=20 the only reason other than there is little to discuss since it works = pretty=20 well<g>)=20

IRT built by IBM..??!!
nothing is built by anybody anymore.. =
IBM=20 memory is, at various times, samsung, hitachi, Apex, Goldenram, = Apricorn,=20 Viking (i think) and more..
HDD's all are IBM of course.. =
displays=20 come from various sources..
the newer ones from the IBM/Toshiba=20 consortium.. unless thats old news..
so when you say built by IBM, = please=20 be more specific..  :-)
the 770Z's are all assembled in = Maxico, the=20 early 770X's (all i had) were assembled in Japan..
when i send a = HDD to a=20 fellow in Italy, i put on the customs declaration "Assembled in the = USA of US=20 and non-US components) because i assemble the HDD in the HDD shell = which is=20 made in the USA, while the IBM HDD might be made in Japan, Thailand, = Hungary,=20 Scotland, Singapore or most any other place they put up a = factory..  :-)=20

Chuck S. wrote:=20

  I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology = (300=20 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a = reasonable price=20 (for a TP) .  The i Series seems to be priced to capture a = piece of the=20 $1400-2700 market while still delivering the quality, performance = and=20 service TP owners expect.  So, how come there is so little = discussion=20 about the i Series here?  I think I have heard from only one = other=20 person in this list that has one. By comparison, we cannot get our = hands on=20 a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much discussion.  As a = newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are revered with = almost=20 cult status, but the i Series is probably destined for = oblivion.  Can=20 anyone explain this?  Also, can anyone technically compare the = i Series=20 to other TP models?  For one thing, I read it is the only TP = built by=20 IBM.  It also is thicker and heavier that other=20 models. Thanks,Chuck
 =20

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** Bill Morrow **   :-)
Compuserve Thinkpad Forum = Sysop=20
WEB page http://thinkpads.com =
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html<= /A>=20
bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net =
770Z-8AU,=20 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...=20

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage = will=20 vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not = try this=20 at home..
 

------=_NextPart_000_011B_01BE844F.7B6BD5A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:30:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24049 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00630; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:26:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00402; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (mercury.area54.net [205.177.191.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00388; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09379 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:26:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Sender: michael@mercury.area54.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models In-Reply-To: <37113789.4CD4900A@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > The "i" series is a retail only machine.. > i, as a PC VAR, can not get one from my distributor.. > OTH, i can get 770Z's and have sold 4 (on to myself) and three to > others.. > the "i" series is reputed to be a very good machine, but i must admit > that i have never seen one.. > > reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are all > being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of them.. > (its the only reason other than there is little to discuss since it > works pretty well) I have a i1720 (266p2/64/4.3). Got it direct from IBM last November. Happy with it for the most part but wish it had DVD.. Michael From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:41:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24166 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01242; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:34:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01049; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01030; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:33:34 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id UAA01489 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904120033.UAA01489@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:31:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 - oops List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:55:57 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: > >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. > >As I had pointed out to me some months ago (and as I've since >discovered), one can use Partition Magic to change a partition from >FAT to FAT32. > >If that's the only reason for getting OSR2, it might be cheaper >than Windows, even a break-the-license copy from a small shop. > >My TP600 will not create a partition as FAT32 out of the box, >despite running OSR2. I tried when I first got it, and IBM support >told me it's because it's running IBM DOS 7 instead of DOS 6.22 >(under the Windows, that is). Err, I meant to say that if you have the same OSR2 that I do, you might have trouble creating a FAT32 partition. I don't think an earlier Win95 would recognize a FAT32 partition created by Partition Magic (or am I wrong about that too? :) andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 20:54:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24289 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01977; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:51:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01805; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01792; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id RAA12598 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:49:43 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <005301be846b$0371a860$3c0b02cc@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >package in the store it's the original version. > >A way around this is to go to a small computer >store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >them have them for sale for a fraction of the >package in the larger stores. > >This isn't allowed by the license but it's >commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >wrong with it. It's not piracy. Barry: I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, but if selling something in direct violation of the software license isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not legally install that software on another system. As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of a defective transmission: Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see anything wrong with that. Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. -- /=================================================================\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:24:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24530 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02971; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:19:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02741; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02726; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ron-s-thinkpad ([12.77.27.218]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990412011831.DJHO11983@ron-s-thinkpad> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:18:31 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BE8460.F7DF83A0.rjross@worldnet.att.net> From: "Ronald J. Ross" Reply-To: "rjross@worldnet.att.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: No WIN 95 Desktop On Startup Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:08:52 -0400 Organization: RJR Consultants, Inc, X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My friend's WIN95 setup got infected with a variation of the anticmos virus. We were able to delete it using IBM AntiVirus. However, now his WIN95 desktop is not loaded on startup. Instead Program Manager is displayed. We checked Microsoft's Web Site and WIN95's help files, but were unable to find any help. How can we restore his original desktop? What is the name of the desktop "file" and where is it located? Thanks for any and all help!!! Ron Ronald J. Ross RJR Consultants, Inc rjross@worldnet.att.net 601 Grandin Rd. 704 335-3303 Voice/Fax Charlotte, NC 28208 Human Resource Development Consulting & Training From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:34:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24594 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03811; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:31:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03494; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03472; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-3.gate.net [199.227.131.194]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA221270; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37114CB9.F6120B5F@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:30:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 - oops References: <199904120033.UAA01489@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: only win95 OSR2 or 2.5 will see fat32.. but you MUST buy a new system in order to have win95 OSR2 or 2.5.. so you are stuck with all the win95 OSR1 or original, bugs until you buy a new system.. hmm.. there MUST be a good reason for this... Andrew Webber wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:55:57 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: > > >On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: > > > >>A way around this is to go to a small computer > >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of > >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the > >>package in the larger stores. > > > >As I had pointed out to me some months ago (and as I've since > >discovered), one can use Partition Magic to change a partition from > >FAT to FAT32. > > > >If that's the only reason for getting OSR2, it might be cheaper > >than Windows, even a break-the-license copy from a small shop. > > > >My TP600 will not create a partition as FAT32 out of the box, > >despite running OSR2. I tried when I first got it, and IBM support > >told me it's because it's running IBM DOS 7 instead of DOS 6.22 > >(under the Windows, that is). > > Err, I meant to say that if you have the same OSR2 that I do, you > might have trouble creating a FAT32 partition. I don't think an > earlier Win95 would recognize a FAT32 partition created by > Partition Magic (or am I wrong about that too? :) > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:40:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24629 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03944; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03730; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03481; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.76.221]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990412013029.UASV19957.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <37114D48.A9B9A952@home.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:32:56 -0700 From: Tom Minger Reply-To: tminger@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Model 720C References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can someone give me an idea what to ask for a 720C, perfect with some extras? TIA, Tom Michael wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > The "i" series is a retail only machine.. > > i, as a PC VAR, can not get one from my distributor.. > > OTH, i can get 770Z's and have sold 4 (on to myself) and three to > > others.. > > the "i" series is reputed to be a very good machine, but i must admit > > that i have never seen one.. > > > > reason you might not see much discussion irt "i" series is they are all > > being used by salesmen who have an IT department to take care of them.. > > (its the only reason other than there is little to discuss since it > > works pretty well) > > I have a i1720 (266p2/64/4.3). Got it direct from IBM last November. > Happy with it for the most part but wish it had DVD.. > > Michael From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:41:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24640 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04537; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:39:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04397; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04383; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id SAA27645 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990411183015.00923d40@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:37:39 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <37114BE7.AC9E6173@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Bill: While I agree that the ThinkPads mailing list is not the place for a flame war (and has been free of such for a long time), neither do I believe that it should be a forum for piracy advocates and warez. In all truth, I was greatly saddened that NOBODY else had mentioned the piracy issue for over two hours after Barry Marks made his pro-piracy comment. Maybe I'm just very sensitive to piracy given that I make my living by creating, selling and supporting custom software. I renew my offer... If anybody (other than Barry) thinks that I was out-of-line with my remarks (or that piracy is 'OK'), then just say the word and I'll be gone. -- David Goldman At 06:27 PM 4/11/99 , Bill Morrow wrote: >I don't think this is the place for that kind of flame.. :-) > > >David Goldman wrote: > >> At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >> >W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >> >The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >> >If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >> >years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >> >package in the store it's the original version. >> > >> >A way around this is to go to a small computer >> >store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >> >them have them for sale for a fraction of the >> >package in the larger stores. >> > >> >This isn't allowed by the license but it's >> >commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >> >wrong with it. It's not piracy. >> >> Barry: >> >> I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition >> of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, >> but if selling something in direct violation of the software license >> isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. >> >> You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >> pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >> that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >> whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >> at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >> software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >> HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you >> agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading >> the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used >> on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the >> software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system >> and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not >> legally install that software on another system. >> >> As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small >> computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement >> they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and >> is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the >> purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. >> >> As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting >> custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see >> anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court >> of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with >> selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people >> with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe >> in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! >> You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. >> >> It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral >> person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of >> it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids >> and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >> you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases >> a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of >> a defective transmission: >> >> Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under >> warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a >> quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. >> >> Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something >> about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring >> contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty >> 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see >> anything wrong with that. >> >> Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. >> But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't >> see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess >> I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the >> repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to >> come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? >> >> Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what >> you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to >> lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. >> >> P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll >> be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. >> >> -- >> /=================================================================\ >> | David Goldman | My business motto is: | >> | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | >> | | [ ] Cheap | >> | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | >> \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:45:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24673 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05083; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04929; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04883; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:42:58 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA11529 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904120142.VAA11529@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:40:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 - oops List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:30:33 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >only win95 OSR2 or 2.5 will see fat32.. >but you MUST buy a new system in order to have win95 OSR2 or 2.5.. >so you are stuck with all the win95 OSR1 or original, bugs until you buy >a new system.. >hmm.. there MUST be a good reason for this... I have Win95 OSR2 (4.00.950 B). And it recognizes my FAT32 partitions created or converted with Partition Magic. I'm not sure if I've got one over 2GB yet, but they're definitely FAT32, I freed up a lot of space when I converted the existing ones. The IBM tech I talked to back in June, said there was a possible unofficial workaround that he'd figured out, it had to do with using one file from the OSR2 on my desktop machine instead of the one supplied with my TP600. I tried what he said, it didn't work, I gave up and re-installed from the recovery CD (as I had just gotten the machine and not installed anything yet). Sorry, I don't know exactly what file was different. As I recall, the justification for not selling OSR2 as an upgrade (I got my desktop machine in Jan or Feb/97, and it came with OSR2) was the possibility of customers screwing up their existing FAT systems and Microsoft having to support them. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 21:48:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24704 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05427; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:46:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05251; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05225; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA23808; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:46:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990411204551.00895a30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:45:51 -0500 To: "Barry Marks" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <005301be846b$0371a860$3c0b02cc@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 05:31 PM 4/11/99 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: >W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. That's *mostly* true. If one purchased the Microsoft Developer Network (Professional or Universal), it came with that. Of course, most people probably didn't spend several hundred to $2K for an MSDN subscription just to get FAT32 on their ThinkPad! I don't know whether a new subscription would include the Win95 operating system versions, or just Win98 and NT. It certainly didn't include Win3.1 last year. I don't know when they consider an OS release so "old" that it is no longer included in MSDN. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNxFQSm8pw+2/9pUJEQLrVQCeKaL0YYZwfrkNZWGj6THQ85++DKwAoLSL He2pvFmLoDg2qbPnm9+rBLDB =dNFM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:05:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24844 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06533; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06295; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06279; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA24505 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:02:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990411205158.00898450@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:51:58 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Help on SCSI PCCard In-Reply-To: <004e01be8475$0f20f210$45e0e9d1@galender.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was about to ask a similar question. I have a 770ED and Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460 (a 1460A, I think). I'd also like to be able to access SCSI devices from a DOS boot. I picked up a copy of PowerQuest's Drive Image software to use for backups and find that it wants to work only when booted from DOS. I don't know whether *it* cares whether that boot is from floppy or HD in DOS mode. But, I don't want to make a configuration change to my HD C: drive that will screw up things for normal Win95 booting and use. So, a floppy DOS boot seems safer. I also just picked up a Yamaha CRW4416sxz CD-RW drive and am fairly keen to use it as the backup / restore (hope I don't have to, though) media drive. So, anything "extra" that needs to be done to write to (and read from) such a drive from a DOS boot would also be helpful to me. Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNxFRuW8pw+2/9pUJEQI5owCg255WJZHtbVhfjCd++qDfqV+OK58AoOpb FqoAAu2ogtj4TfUBLBJH/k9y =BnRY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:05:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24856 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06620; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06422; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06360; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:02:48 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id WAA14280 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904120202.WAA14280@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:58:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help on SCSI PCCard List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:43:10 -0700, Dan Galender wrote: >I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI PCCards (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480). What I can't seem to be able to do with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot floppy which will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt (do I use a device=ASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I think I've tried them all). [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a partition image from one 770 to the other.] Neither PCCard documentation from Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue. I only need to get one PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that PCCard in both machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both. I don't know if this will help, but I bought a SlimSCSI 1450B (PCCard). Haven't installed it yet (told you this wouldn't help much :). Adaptec claims both on the website and in the documentation that it only supports Win95. adaptec.com says the 1480 "Supports Windowsr 95, WIndows 98, and Windows NTr 4.0". I don't know if this implies a lack of DOS support (perhaps since it's CardBus). The only one of the three that adaptec.com suggests for Win3.1, OS/2, WinCE, and DOS, is the 1460. Hope this helps somewhat. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:10:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24891 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07118; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:06:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06871; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06767; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:04:50 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id WAA14480 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904120204.WAA14480@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:03:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Piracy List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:37:39 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >While I agree that the ThinkPads mailing list is not the place >for a flame war (and has been free of such for a long time), >neither do I believe that it should be a forum for piracy >advocates and warez. In all truth, I was greatly saddened >that NOBODY else had mentioned the piracy issue for over >two hours after Barry Marks made his pro-piracy comment. >Maybe I'm just very sensitive to piracy given that I make >my living by creating, selling and supporting custom software. > >I renew my offer... If anybody (other than Barry) thinks that >I was out-of-line with my remarks (or that piracy is 'OK'), >then just say the word and I'll be gone. David, I have to admit that I didn't think much of the original suggestion to go buy OSR2 in a way that doesn't conform to the license agreement. I did mention it in my reply although I didn't make a speech about software piracy. I didn't see much point to it, in a forum occupied (I suspect) mostly by people who either know it's wrong, or who already have Win98 or OSR2. The above is just to make it clear that I agree we should all abide by the license agreements (yes I tried what the tech suggested last summer, but I do have OSR2 and it was an IBM issue causing the problem; I don't know if I would have violated a license agreement had it worked). However, I must be very blunt and admit I'm not that impressed with your argument. For one thing, equating software piracy with selling drugs to kids or committing a hate crime (actually a hate murder) is not very persuasive. I consider all three bad. But there are degrees of evil. I make my living by (among other things) creating custom applications, and I am very aware of copyright and intellectual property issues. But don't try to tell me that stealing my intellectual property is like tying a homosexual to a fence. Finally, your offer seems somewhat extreme. Why do you have to leave the list if someone disagrees with your post? None of _us_ is throwing you out. I ignored it the first time you posted it because you were obviously upset. For the record: --I think piracy is NOT OK. --I think your remarks were out of line in that they do not allow for degrees of "wrongness", but that's a difference of opinion. --I think your remarks were out of line in that many ad hominem remarks were directed Barry's way. --I think you should stay on the list, contribute when you see fit, and resist the ad hominem remarks. If anyone thinks the above is wrong, please feel free to tell me here or in private email. But I won't unsubscribe if you do. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb Andrew Webber [awebber@sgml-mercs.com] SGML Mercenaries Division of World Wide Webbers Incorporated 1883 Featherston Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K1H 6P6 Phone 613-523-2237 / Fax 613-523-6893 / Cell 613-797-8123 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:18:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA24997 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07803; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:15:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07706; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crius.flash.net (crius-origin.flash.net [209.30.0.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07686; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from system (p238-21.atnt3.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.238.21]) by crius.flash.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09713 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:15:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Collins" To: Subject: Re: Piracy Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01be848a$91d71da0$15ee1ed1@system> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: >You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >HARDWARE SYSTEM! So, the machine is the pirate. I wonder.......do the techs and engineers at Microsoft requisition a new copy of software when they fire up a new box at work? Or do they just grab the same CD over on the desk? Sheesh....I came here for help, and find preaching.........back to the newsgroups for me..... Sigh, Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:41:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25188 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09014; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:39:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08875; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08854; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.227]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990412023813.DLDU7259@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:38:13 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990411223710.00b40690@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:37:10 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990411183015.00923d40@shell9.ba.best.com> References: <37114BE7.AC9E6173@icanect.net> <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:37 PM 4/11/99 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >While I agree that the ThinkPads mailing list is not the place >for a flame war (and has been free of such for a long time), >neither do I believe that it should be a forum for piracy >advocates and warez. In all truth, I was greatly saddened >that NOBODY else had mentioned the piracy issue for over >two hours after Barry Marks made his pro-piracy comment. >Maybe I'm just very sensitive to piracy given that I make >my living by creating, selling and supporting custom software. > >I renew my offer... If anybody (other than Barry) thinks that >I was out-of-line with my remarks (or that piracy is 'OK'), >then just say the word and I'll be gone. > David, For a lot of list members, it's Sunday, and it's Spring. I daresay that many of us are just now reading these notes and even more will not see them until tomorrow. Two hours without a response is not something to get worked up over. Andrew made some good points that I'll just quote here instead of reinventing the wheel: >>--I think piracy is NOT OK. >>--I think your remarks were out of line in that many ad hominem >>remarks were directed Barry's way. >>--I think you should stay on the list, contribute when you see fit, >>and resist the ad hominem remarks. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 11 22:45:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25221 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09532; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:43:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09302; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09289; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.227]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990412024247.DNJH7259@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:42:47 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990411224144.00b575c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:41:44 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <01be848a$91d71da0$15ee1ed1@system> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:17 PM 4/11/99 -0500, Tom Collins wrote: >Sheesh....I came here for help, and find preaching.........back to the >newsgroups for me..... > Stick around - it's mostly help. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 03:37:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27278 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20442; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:32:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20259; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20246; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ISI.EDU (we-24-130-65-179.we.mediaone.net [24.130.65.179]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12187; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3711A16D.4F00D685@ISI.EDU> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:31:57 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Piracy References: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Goldman wrote: > I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition > of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, > but if selling something in direct violation of the software license > isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. > Are you planning on raising kids > and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that > you don't intend to honor"? David: I have never bought a computer where the vendor required me to sign a contract before purchasing it. Perhaps you're referring to the little stickers on the back of software disks that say "By breaking this seal you agree to all of these contract terms"? Well, those little stickers have no legal standing. You can't agree to a complete contract by breaking a little seal. Many software vendors wish that they could make you do so, but that's not the way it works. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 04:06:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27419 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21620; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:04:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21450; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (root@almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21436; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-073.usc.edu [128.125.223.73]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id BAA06371; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990412005239.00bb6160@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:04:13 -0700 To: Steven Augart , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <3711A16D.4F00D685@ISI.EDU> References: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:31 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: > Are you planning on raising kids >> and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >> you don't intend to honor"? >Perhaps you're referring to the little stickers on the back of >software disks that say "By breaking this seal you agree to all of >these contract terms"? Well, those little stickers have no legal >standing. You can't agree to a complete contract by breaking a little >seal. Many software vendors wish that they could make you do so, but >that's not the way it works. I'm a little surprised by David's reaction...does he really think that everyone on the list checks their e-mail every hour, particularly on weekends? For goodness sakes...do you ever go outside?! Furthermore, the legalisms & technicalities in some of these asanine software "agreements" (which are anything *but*) are absurd at best. A few have tried to be reasonable...like Borland used to have in their license that you could put the software on two machines (i.e., my Thinkpad *and* my desktop). But generally, the so-called license "agreements" are, (*ahem*) a crock of shit. As to whether I (or anyone else?) am a pirate? If by that you mean "Do I make it a practice to copy disks for resale or buy them from others who do so", the answer is an emphatic *No*. But if you instead define "Pirate" as one who takes his singular copy of...oh, say my e-mail program, and installs it on both my laptop as well as my desktop machine... ...if that's how you define a pirate, then the answer is YES, DAMMIT--I'M A PIRATE BECAUSE I PAID FOR THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE AND EXPECT TO HAVE A RIGHT TO USE IT ON WHICHEVER FRIGGIN' MACHINE I HAPPEN TO BE IN FRONT OF AT THE TIME. Okay, done ranting. Intellectual property is an important issue worth respecting and taking seriously. It is *not* however something that should be taken to an extreme, with asanine and absurd restrictions that transcend all reason. ...nor should disagreements over it be lumped in with murder, hate crime, gang rapes, or narcotics distribution. Get a life, for heavens sake. Leave your e-mail for more than a couple of hours and go outside. --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 04:25:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27528 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22703; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22558; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (smtp1.mindspring.com [207.69.200.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22544; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tp701 (user-38ldhea.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.202]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16045 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904120823.EAA16045@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 99 01:23:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wetsuits List-Unsubscribe: While we're on the topic of wetsuits, does anyone know of a wetsuit for a TP760? Hopefully this doesn't sound too dumb. I take my 760 all over the place (since it usually compliments my car stereo most of the time), but it would be nice to have protection in order to prevent more scratches and peeling paint. Anu suggestions? Paul Khoury | pkhoury@loop.com | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Currently using OS/2 Warp 3/4, Solaris 2.3/2.4, Windows NT 4.0, and Windows 98 on my network. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 09:27:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29354 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10038; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09793; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09778; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a286.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.160]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23473; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904121321.JAA23473@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a286.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.160] 209.198.81.160 Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:14:12 -0400 To: David Goldman , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Piracy X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition of the >word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, but if >selling something in direct violation of the software license isn't >piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. I agree in general about piracy, but in the case of Microsoft what they are really saying is "if you need the new version of our sparkplugs that don't waste half the gasoline you buy, then you have to buy a another new car that comes with the new plugs. Personally, I'll be glad to protect Microsoft just as soon as they agree to buy back the Winjunk licenses that I have been forced to buy, because of their illegal marketing practices. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 09:50:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29687 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12126; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11695; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (ww182.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11670; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13323 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 1999 13:41:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990412134145.13322.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.82 by ww182 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Mon Apr 12 13:41:45 GMT 1999 Date: 12 Apr 99 08:41:45 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "jross@worldnet.att.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: No WIN 95 Desktop On Startup X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: It sounds like the virus switched the PC's O/S shell to Program Manager instead of Explorer. Check the SYSTEM.INI file (located in c:\windows) a= nd look for the 'shell=3D...' key under the [boot] section (usually near the= top). = It probably says 'shell=3Dprogman.exe'. Switch it to say 'shell=3DExplor= er.exe' and that might fix the problem. If the virus goofed up that, though, the= re's no telling what else it messed up. You'll just have to take it one step = at a time after fixing this problem. Good luck, Rob -------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1NOSPAM@netscape.com -------------------------------------- "Ronald J. Ross" wrote: > My friend's WIN95 setup got infected with a variation of the anticmos v= irus. > We were able to delete it using IBM AntiVirus. However, now his WIN95= desktop = > is not loaded on startup. Instead Program Manager is displayed. We ch= ecked > Microsoft's Web Site and WIN95's help files, but were unable to find an= y help. > = > How can we restore his original desktop? What is the name of the des= ktop = > "file" > and where is it located? > = > Thanks for any and all help!!! > = > Ron ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 12:10:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01866 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23536; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:54:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23252; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23227; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08163; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:53:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01579; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396HSD>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:50:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Dan Galender'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:49:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses = ASPI2DOS.SYS. You can use the /v switch to see if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of = the APA-1460A. ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to = load the ASPICD.SYS driver (and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for = SCSI disk usage. The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not = think the disk one does. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Dan Galender [SMTP:dan@galender.com] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:43 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help on SCSI PCCard This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of the subscribers to this list. =A0 I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI PCCards (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).=A0 What I can't seem to be = able to do with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot floppy which = will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt (do I use a device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I think = I've tried them all).=A0 [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy = a partition image from one 770 to the other.]=A0 Neither PCCard = documentation >from Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue.=A0 I only need to = get one PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that PCCard = in both machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both. =A0 Has anyone else done this?=A0 And if so, how? =A0 Thanks in advance. =A0 -Dan Galender From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 12:35:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02199 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26540; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:26:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26274; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26249; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770ed (user-37kb0f2.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.129.226]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA31865; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990412131955.0094e770@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:26:16 -0400 To: David Goldman , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> References: <005301be846b$0371a860$3c0b02cc@cueve> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: In principle, you are absolutely right about this, and as far as diminishing the revenue of the individual who produces the product, I am in complete support of your position. However... The fact that Windows 95, OSR-2, was never released to the consumer seems inconsistent with the philosophy of product support. In addition to providing FAT32 support, it also had many bug fixes and improvements, which were never released as a service pack, or any other way, except for a few that were posted on Microsoft's web site (s), so the only way to get these fixes is to aquire an illegitimate copy of OSR-2. I am reasonably certain that many of the users on this list have done just that, and there is no impact to Microsoft's retailing, since there is no way to buy this product "above the table" What would your solution be in this case? Richard At 05:49 PM 4/11/99 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >>W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >>The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >>If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >>years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >>package in the store it's the original version. >> >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. >> >>This isn't allowed by the license but it's >>commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >>wrong with it. It's not piracy. > >Barry: > >I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition >of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, >but if selling something in direct violation of the software license >isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. > >You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you >agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading >the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used >on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the >software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system >and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not >legally install that software on another system. > >As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small >computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement >they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and >is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the >purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. > >As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting >custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see >anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court >of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with >selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people >with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe >in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! >You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. > >It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral >person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of >it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids >and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases >a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of >a defective transmission: > >Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under > warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a > quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. > >Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something > about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring > contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty > 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see > anything wrong with that. > >Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. > But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't > see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess > I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the > repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to > come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? > >Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what >you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to >lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. > >P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll >be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. > > >-- >/=================================================================\ >| David Goldman | My business motto is: | >| IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | >| | [ ] Cheap | >| Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | >\=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 13:01:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02628 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29087; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:55:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28754; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infw1.bakerd.com (infw1.bakerd.com [208.216.217.173]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28741; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [132.152.0.201] by infw1.bakerd.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 16:55:22 UT Received: from BD-Message_Server by bakerd.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:53:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:52:48 -0500 From: "Kevin Toner" To: Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Chuck, Sorry, I can't seem to go back to the way things were, and I don't have a = modem driver that works like before. You would think the IBM restore CD = would help on this, but it will put my entire computer back into a Win95 = environment after I've spent many hours setting up a pristine version of = Win98. I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about adding a 56k modem = card and trying to disable the built-in modem. Kevin >>> "Chuck S." 04/10/99 10:15am >>> Kevin, Can I still get the driver that connected between 51K-53K? Do you think = it would work on my i1721? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for = myTP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped = >from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from = someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the = fix? Thanks in advance. Kevin Toner From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 13:33:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03015 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01203; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:29:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01045; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01007; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a248.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.248]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07371 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904121728.NAA07371@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a248.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.248] 209.198.80.248 Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:14:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Isn't the APA-1450 ONLY for Winxx? And the same for the Cardbus. >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses >ASPI2DOS.SYS. You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of >the APA-1460A. >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to >load the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI= >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not thin= k >the disk one does. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > ---------- > From: Dan Galender [SMTP:dan@galender.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:43 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Help on SCSI PCCard > This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I >thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of the >subscribers to this list. > =A0 > I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI PCCards >(an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).=A0 What I can't seem to be able to d= o >with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot floppy which wil= l >give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt (do I use a >device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I think I'= ve >tried them all).=A0 [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a= >partition image from one 770 to the other.]=A0 Neither PCCard documentat= ion >from Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue.=A0 I only need to ge= t >one PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that >PCCard in both machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both.= > =A0 > Has anyone else done this?=A0 And if so, how? > =A0 > Thanks in advance. > =A0 > -Dan Galender _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 13:36:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03067 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01476; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01339; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01304; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dan (slip129-37-51-88.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.51.88]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id KAA29821; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: , "Greg Terrell" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:21:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2IH6lLA8aaE3Ewiw@moab.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA01476 Greg- This was of tremendous help. I got the Jaz drive recognized immediately. Thanks! (I knew I came to the right place.) One last question. Although it seems to be working fine, it does complai= n that it can't find the cardid.ini file. Any chance you can post yours so= I can see what I need to put in mine? Thanks once again. By the way, if anyone cares, Adaptec confirms that this will *not* work w= ith the CardBus version (1480). No DOS drivers for that one at all, they cla= im. -Dan -----Original Message----- From: Greg Terrell [mailto:greg@moab.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:55 AM To: Dan Galender; Ron Heiby Cc: Andrew Webber Subject: Re: Help on SCSI PCCard In message <004e01be8475$0f20f210$45e0e9d1@galender.com>, Dan Galender writes > This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I > thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of > the subscribers to this list. > =A0 > I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI > PCCards (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).=A0 What I can't seem to > be able to do with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS > boot floppy which will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz > from a DOS prompt (do I use a device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys= ? > and if so, which 'x', I think I've tried them all).=A0 [I want to do > a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a partition image from one 770 > to the other.]=A0 Neither PCCard documentation from Adaptec addresse= s > the DOS accessability issue.=A0 I only need to get one PCCard workin= g > ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that PCCard in both > machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both. > =A0 > Has anyone else done this?=A0 And if so, how? > =A0 > Thanks in advance. > =A0 > -Dan Galender This is how I boot my 770 (95491AO) from a DOS floppy using Adaptec 1460A SlimSCSI and Jaz drive. I use this to back up to the Jaz with Drive Image. It also enables me use the internal CD-ROM in DOS. I have put all relevant drivers on the floppy. Config.sys: DOS=3DHIGH,UMB DEVICE=3DA:\HIMEM.SYS Device=3DA:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS x=3DD000-D7FF rem next 2 lines already here LASTDRIVE=3DZ ; Put Network or CD-ROM Drivers here. DEVICE=3DA:\DRIVERS\IBMTPCD.SYS rem SystemSoft CardWorks(TM) PCMCIA drivers: device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CARDXTND.SYS device=3DA:\DRIVERS\SSCBTI.SYS device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CS.SYS/POLL:1 device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CSALLOC.EXE device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CARDID.SYS DEVICE=3DA:\DRIVERS\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D /PCMCIA /Z Autoexec.bat: @ECHO OFF PROMPT $P$G REM Put Network or CD-ROM drivers here. A:\DRIVERS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:TPCD001 /M:15 /L:G A:\DRIVERS\MOUSE.COM ECHO Locate and install correct Iomega drivers A:\DRIVERS\GUEST letter=3Dh -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 14:12:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03470 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04290; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:03:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04094; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (root@almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04016; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-084.usc.edu [128.125.223.84]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA17561; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990412102539.00a5fef0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:26:25 -0700 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:49 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses ASPI2DOS.SYS. >You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. > >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to load >the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not think >the disk one does. Wouldn't you also have to load DOS-Based card management services for the card to be recognized at *all*? --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 14:36:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03855 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06264; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:27:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06114; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06099; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:26:13 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id OAA29698 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904121825.OAA29698@dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:24:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:49:59 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. It's possible, but there are differences: the 1450's cable is not removable, it only supports Windows 95, and it only supports 3 devices (according to the documentation; the website says 7). On the website, they recommend it only for backup devices such as Jaz, and the 1460 for disks. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 14:53:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04096 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09008; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:48:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08845; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08828; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17319; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:13:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08847; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396HVX>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: TP List , "'Randal Whittle'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:09:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I thought he already did that. Unfortunely I left my DOS based rescue disk at home so I was going by memory. Good that others had a better answer. 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net ---------- From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 1:26 PM To: Cottrell, Eric; TP List Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard At 11:49 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses ASPI2DOS.SYS. >You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. > >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to load >the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not think >the disk one does. Wouldn't you also have to load DOS-Based card management services for the card to be recognized at *all*? --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 15:33:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04658 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12013; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:28:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11670; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11639; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18084; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19305; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396HX5>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Andrew Webber'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Well I guess I was partly right since the 1450A is now a "classic" product but the 1460 has been available for years so they could have been available at the same time. I have a 1460 that came with a SCSI-1 cable but I was able to get a cheap SCSI-2 cable at a fleamarket of all places. I forgot that Adaptec seems to use the model number to denote the feature set, bus, etc. They change trailing letters and numbers after the letters for revisions. The first two numbers seem to be the bus type. The more "powerful" the card the higher the last two numbers. I have a 1542B which is a Half Length Bus Mastering ISA card. This replaced the 1542A which was a Full Length Bus Mastering ISA Card. They later came out with a 1542CF which added Fast Scsi, additional boot capabilities, and some other stuff. The base model numbers are the same but the designs are different. I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to have the same speed and since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 controller could have more chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be possible the 1450a was only designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was saved by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not having a removable cable, etc.. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Andrew Webber [SMTP:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 2:24 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:49:59 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. It's possible, but there are differences: the 1450's cable is not removable, it only supports Windows 95, and it only supports 3 devices (according to the documentation; the website says 7). On the website, they recommend it only for backup devices such as Jaz, and the 1460 for disks. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 15:44:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04758 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13025; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:41:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12855; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12831; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brunhilde (cal048104.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.64]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id VAA23099 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:41:21 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990412214131.00949210@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: s9503943@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:59 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jorg Spek Subject: [TP600] Cleaning the surface of the notebook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi there! I own a TP600 and there are some stains on the lid of the unit. Anyone know with what to clean it? Thanks in advance, Jorg 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 16:15:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05114 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15493; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15380; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15356; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:12:04 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id QAA27123 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904122011.QAA27123@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:05:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to >have the same speed and >since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 >controller could have more >chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be >possible the 1450a was only >designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was >saved >by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not >having a removable cable, etc.. Well, there's the non-removable cable (although they include an adaptor to go from 50 pin to DB-25). Also as you say only Windows 95 drivers. The 1450 _manual_ says it only supports 3 devices on the SCSI bus, although the website says 7. The 1450 is also about half the price (list is U$86 [it was U$99 two weeks ago!] vs. U$175). I really don't see anything from the specs that indicates why the 1450 won't support a SCSI HD and the 1460 will. Maybe it's a marketing thing. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 16:16:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05122 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15136; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:08:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14985; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14953; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cueve (dynamic89.fbtc.net [204.2.11.89]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18687; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:07:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018a01be851f$8996e2c0$7249c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Chuck S." , Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:03:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I almost bought an i1451 but I decided not to get something with the = plain vanilla pentium at that price. If it had a Celeron I would have = gotten one. I've found that for the same price I can get a Toshiba with = an AMD K6-2 with a 6.4 gig drive and 64 meg. I haven't done that. I really want a Thinkpad. I have 2 older ones now = and they've been great and I don't know that I want to try something = different. So I'm just waiting. I really don't think the i series (with the exception of the 1721) is = that interesting. I wasn't sure I wanted to pay the price for the 1721 = but I went looking for one thinking I might let it tempt me into it. = But nobody has them in stock and nobody is thinking of getting one. The = only one I could find was a display model which didn't look too good. Maybe in a few months I'll take another look. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Chuck S. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 1:08 PM Subject: i1721 and Other TP Models =20 =20 I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology = (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a = reasonable price (for a TP) . The i Series seems to be priced to = capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the = quality, performance and service TP owners expect. So, how come there = is so little discussion about the i Series here? I think I have heard = >from only one other person in this list that has one. By comparison, we = cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much = discussion. As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are = revered with almost cult status, but the i Series is probably destined = for oblivion. Can anyone explain this? Also, can anyone technically = compare the i Series to other TP models? For one thing, I read it is = the only TP built by IBM. It also is thicker and heavier that other = models. =20 Thanks, Chuck ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I almost bought an i1451 but I = decided not to=20 get something with the plain vanilla pentium at that price.  If it = had a=20 Celeron I would have gotten one.  I've found that for the same = price I can=20 get a Toshiba with an AMD K6-2 with a 6.4 gig drive and 64 = meg.
 
I haven't done that.  I really want a = Thinkpad.  I=20 have 2 older ones now and they've been great and I don't know that I = want to try=20 something different.  So I'm just waiting.
 
I really don't think the i series (with the = exception of the=20 1721) is that interesting.  I wasn't sure I wanted to pay the price = for the=20 1721 but I went looking for one thinking I might let it tempt me into = it. =20 But nobody has them in stock and nobody is thinking of getting = one.  The=20 only one I could find was a display model which didn't look too=20 good.
 
Maybe in a few months I'll take another = look.
 
Barry
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Chuck S. <probepro@mindspring.com>To:=20 thinkpad@cs.utk.edu = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Sunday, April 11, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: i1721 and = Other TP=20 Models

I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current = technology=20 (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a = reasonable=20 price (for a TP) .  The i Series seems to be priced=20 to capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while = still=20 delivering the quality, performance and service TP owners = expect.  So,=20 how come there is so little discussion about the i Series = here?  I=20 think I have heard from only one other person in this list that = has=20 one. By comparison, we cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, = but it=20 has already generated much discussion.  As a newcomer to TP's, = I've=20 noticed that certain models are revered with almost cult = status,=20 but the i Series is probably destined for oblivion.  Can = anyone=20 explain this?  Also, can anyone technically compare the i = Series=20 to other TP models?  For one thing, I read it is the only = TP built=20 by IBM.  It also is thicker and heavier that other = models.
 
Thanks,
Chuck
------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 16:37:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05389 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15739; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:14:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15548; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15529; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cueve (dynamic89.fbtc.net [204.2.11.89]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA21010; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019d01be8520$65a7dc60$7249c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:09:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I had forgotten that I also used Partition Magic to create FAT32. Although I did have OSR2. I guess I wasn't sure if it would have worked with the original win95. My 365XD has the original win95 and I think I rememeber that I tried and succeded in turning that to a FAT32 drive with PM. I'm not totally sure. I know I didn't leave it that way since I use 2 old programs that won't run in FAT32 and I don't want to partition the 2.1 gig drive. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 >On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: > >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. > >As I had pointed out to me some months ago (and as I've since >discovered), one can use Partition Magic to change a partition from >FAT to FAT32. > >If that's the only reason for getting OSR2, it might be cheaper >than Windows, even a break-the-license copy from a small shop. > >My TP600 will not create a partition as FAT32 out of the box, >despite running OSR2. I tried when I first got it, and IBM support >told me it's because it's running IBM DOS 7 instead of DOS 6.22 >(under the Windows, that is). > >Whatever the reason, I've had no trouble changing to FAT32 with >Partition Magic. > > >andrew >------ >my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 16:45:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05499 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18212; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:42:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18118; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18101; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cueve (dynamic89.fbtc.net [204.2.11.89]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02064; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:42:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01aa01be8524$616246a0$7249c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: Re: Piracy Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:38:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Until I reached the point where you compared me to a snake oil salesman, I felt that your posted opinion was a little strong but well thought out and there was basically nothing I could disagree with. Although I don't feel that what I said was wrong. But from the snake oil part on, don't you think you might have been overdoing it just a little? I hope you do. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and try to give you what I think is a reasonable answer. First, the license on the package of disks that you read (I don't but it seems you do) before you break the seal is not considered to be valid in courts according to a number of articles I've read. It's the scare tactic used by software publishers to try to prevent piracy. It might even be effective. I don't know. The reason it's not valid is that no contract can be considered valid under the law if there is no opportunity for negotiation. And there is none. Your options are to accept, reject or ignore the license. You can't say "Wait, let's add this clause!". It's placed on a package that you need and have already paid for and you don't really have much option. Most of us can choose which compiler or word processor we use but we can't realistically choose not to use one. That's why it doesn't stand up in court. What does concern the courts is the question of whether you've paid for the package or not. There are valid laws covering the use of software you haven't paid for. I'm semi-retired now and I don't do much development anymore. But I was a programmer, systems programmer and systems analyst for 32 years and during part of that time I was paid from the sales of sofware that I wrote. I understand about the need for a programmer to be paid for his work. But keeping the rules perfectly isnt the same thing as being honest. Barry -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Piracy >At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >>W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >>The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >>If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >>years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >>package in the store it's the original version. >> >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. >> >>This isn't allowed by the license but it's >>commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >>wrong with it. It's not piracy. > >Barry: > >I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition >of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, >but if selling something in direct violation of the software license >isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. > >You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you >agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading >the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used >on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the >software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system >and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not >legally install that software on another system. > >As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small >computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement >they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and >is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the >purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. > >As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting >custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see >anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court >of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with >selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people >with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe >in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! >You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. > >It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral >person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of >it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids >and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases >a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of >a defective transmission: > >Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under > warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a > quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. > >Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something > about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring > contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty > 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see > anything wrong with that. > >Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. > But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't > see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess > I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the > repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to > come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? > >Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what >you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to >lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. > >P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll >be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. > > >-- >/================================================ =================\ >| David Goldman | My business motto is: | >| IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | >| | [ ] Cheap | >| Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | >\================================================ =================/ > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 16:50:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05585 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17984; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17791; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17757; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-14.gate.net [199.227.20.77]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA220320; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: <371259C9.AD17E3A6@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:38:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: Steven Augart , TP List Subject: Re: Piracy References: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> <4.1.19990412005239.00bb6160@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is begining to sound like the birth control debate, or, dare i mention the abortion debate.. reason goes out the window and the great spirit (fill in your own version of god) tells you what to do, and do it you do.. :-) you do it against any force arrayed against you.. law, reason, fairness, sanity.. a little flexability is, i think, in order.. and perhaps a big portion of minding ones own business, climbing off the pulpit and changing the subject.. :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 12:31 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Are you planning on raising kids > >> and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that > >> you don't intend to honor"? > > >Perhaps you're referring to the little stickers on the back of > >software disks that say "By breaking this seal you agree to all of > >these contract terms"? Well, those little stickers have no legal > >standing. You can't agree to a complete contract by breaking a little > >seal. Many software vendors wish that they could make you do so, but > >that's not the way it works. > > I'm a little surprised by David's reaction...does he really think that > everyone on the list checks their e-mail every hour, particularly on > weekends? For goodness sakes...do you ever go outside?! > > Furthermore, the legalisms & technicalities in some of these asanine > software "agreements" (which are anything *but*) are absurd at best. A few > have tried to be reasonable...like Borland used to have in their license > that you could put the software on two machines (i.e., my Thinkpad *and* my > desktop). But generally, the so-called license "agreements" are, (*ahem*) > a crock of shit. > > As to whether I (or anyone else?) am a pirate? > > If by that you mean "Do I make it a practice to copy disks for resale or > buy them from others who do so", the answer is an emphatic *No*. > > But if you instead define "Pirate" as one who takes his singular copy > of...oh, say my e-mail program, and installs it on both my laptop as well > as my desktop machine... > > ...if that's how you define a pirate, then the answer is YES, DAMMIT--I'M > A PIRATE BECAUSE I PAID FOR THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE AND EXPECT TO HAVE A > RIGHT TO USE IT ON WHICHEVER FRIGGIN' MACHINE I HAPPEN TO BE IN FRONT OF AT > THE TIME. > > Okay, done ranting. > > Intellectual property is an important issue worth respecting and taking > seriously. It is *not* however something that should be taken to an > extreme, with asanine and absurd restrictions that transcend all reason. > > ...nor should disagreements over it be lumped in with murder, hate crime, > gang rapes, or narcotics distribution. Get a life, for heavens sake. > Leave your e-mail for more than a couple of hours and go outside. > > --- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 17:00:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05727 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19579; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19372; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19358; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA30988; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12476; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:56:13 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396HZ6>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Andrew Webber'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:52:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Well being a discontinued card the price wil start to drop and it will start to show up at surplus places. No doubt the price difference between the 1450A and 1460A is partly software as I got EZSCSI 4.00 when I bought my 1460A. I have seen older 1460A cards at computer shows going for $50 to $60 bucks. It may had the older EZSCSI software with it or just the card, I do not remember. I picked up a Toast 'n Jam Card ($300 Original price?) for $50 at the last computer show. It is for a older 486SL laptop I have that does not have sound or built-in CD. I originally had the 1460A on the 486SL laptop. I may get rid of the 486SL laptop but wanted to have a external CD with it and did not want to give up the 1460A. Now that it has sound and SCSI I may dedicate it for some automotive navigation stuff. I am a packrat by nature and find it difficult to sell or throw out stuff. The number of devices is a driver thing as device selection is done over the 8 bit bus. Sounds like they improved the driver to support 7 devices. I try to stay on the trailing edge of technology. It seems like it is easier to do these days as the changes to processors are mainly adding instructions to make the machine faster. Also the perfornance differences due to speed are less (going from 8 to 50 MHz has more impact than from 200 to 266). You want something that is still supported. That is why I would consider something like a discontinued 770 series rather than a new i17xx series with similar processors. I use a Pentium 233MMX on the desktop and a 586 for the laptop so a Pentium MMX laptop will do fine. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Andrew Webber [SMTP:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:06 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to >have the same speed and >since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 >controller could have more >chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be >possible the 1450a was only >designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was >saved >by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not >having a removable cable, etc.. Well, there's the non-removable cable (although they include an adaptor to go from 50 pin to DB-25). Also as you say only Windows 95 drivers. The 1450 _manual_ says it only supports 3 devices on the SCSI bus, although the website says 7. The 1450 is also about half the price (list is U$86 [it was U$99 two weeks ago!] vs. U$175). I really don't see anything from the specs that indicates why the 1450 won't support a SCSI HD and the 1460 will. Maybe it's a marketing thing. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 17:04:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05779 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20096; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:02:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19987; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (roadrunner.sig.net [192.195.85.203]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19953; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cueve (dynamic89.fbtc.net [204.2.11.89]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08801; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:53:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01c301be8525$f5e592e0$7249c998@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Tom Collins" , Subject: Re: Piracy Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:49:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Tom Collins To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Piracy >I wonder.......do the techs and engineers at Microsoft requisition a new copy of >software when they fire up a new box at work? Or do they just grab the same CD >over on the desk? I don't think using the same CD over again violates the license. The company I worked for last was very careful about doing everything in the most legal way. They can't afford the bad publicity that would accompany a suit against them. But they used the same CD over and over. They bought a new package for everything they didn't have a site license for. The discs were stored and ready to be shown. But with 1400 desktop PC's they would never have been able to keep up with using the correct CD for every installation or repair. I'm quite sure they would have tried, though, if it hadn't already been cleared by the legal department. Barry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 17:43:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA06188 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22467; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22330; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (iscorp@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22316; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iscorp@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/SAS.05) id RAA09956 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee Wang) Message-Id: <199904122140.RAA09956@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Piracy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think they would probably grab new/upgraded software from their network directory when setting up new machines. > From: Tom Collins > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: Piracy > > I wonder.......do the techs and engineers at > Microsoft requisition a new copy of > software when they fire up a new box at work? Or > do they just grab the same CD > over on the desk? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 20:08:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08023 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29168; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:05:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28934; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparticus.bright.net (sparticus.bright.net [205.212.123.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28901; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peach.z.org. (find-cas2-cs-35.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.189]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.3/8.9.3 ComNet Build) with ESMTP id UAA18529; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:04:58 -0400 (EDT) To: comp.os.linux.misc@tu-darmstadt.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SOLVED (Re: External Video on TP 380D w/Linux?) References: X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 12 Apr 1999 20:08:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: jzawodn@wcnet.org's message of "11 Apr 1999 18:53:50 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) writes: > I've had a ThinkPad 380D for about half a year now and it's been > happily running various flavors on Linux. I've been using the binary > X Server for the NeoMagic chip set provided by Red Hat software > (XBF-neomagic-glibc-1.1.0-1.i386 to be exact). [snip] > After inspecting my XF86Config file, it would appear that I need a > definition for the external video that the NeoMagic server groks. [snip] Actually, this was easy. All I had to do was enable the following option in the "Device" section of /etc/X11/XF86Config: Option "extern_disp" That was easy. Woohoo! Now I have external video. Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 21:15:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08577 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02781; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02636; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.sas.upenn.edu (iscorp@MAIL1.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02621; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iscorp@localhost) by mail1.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/SAS.05) id VAA26452 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee Wang) Message-Id: <199904130113.VAA26452@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: [TP755C] Noisy HD? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Any TP755c users think their internal HD power is a bit noisy? When my machine is on, the HD seems to emit a swirling/buzzing sound. Hope it's not a problem. Jamee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 12 21:52:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08881 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05412; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05275; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05260; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thor ([12.79.160.63]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990413013925.BIUX20990@thor> for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01be854e$bed49a20$3fa04f0c@thor> From: "ROBERTO ALFALLA" To: Subject: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:04:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing this. Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like to go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this here. Please drop me a line. Many Thanks, Sincerely, Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 00:25:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10181 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14320; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14167; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14144; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-45.gate.net [199.227.173.45]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA350030; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3712C680.8A694FB@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:22:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamee Wang CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: [TP755C] Noisy HD? References: <199904130113.VAA26452@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: James.. it depends upon the reason for the noise.. obviously.. if this noise is new, then do your backups and look around for another HDD.. Jamee Wang wrote: > Any TP755c users think their internal HD power is a bit noisy? > When my machine is on, the HD seems to emit a swirling/buzzing > sound. > > Hope it's not a problem. > > Jamee -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 00:26:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10196 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14516; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14392; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14359; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-45.gate.net [199.227.173.45]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA138338; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3712C6F4.1C945379@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ROBERTO ALFALLA CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd References: <000a01be854e$bed49a20$3fa04f0c@thor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Drive space, for me, when i used it, on a 760CD long ago, under win95, worked flawlessly.. i just don't like drive compressions apps.. it adds another layer of difficulty to these things.. :-) ROBERTO ALFALLA wrote: > Greetings All > > Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their > Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing this. > Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like to > go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? > I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this > here. Please drop me a line. > > Many Thanks, > > Sincerely, > > Roberto -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 04:39:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11809 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23796; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23673; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23660; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA22628; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:35:54 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14974; Tue, 13 Apr 99 09:30:44 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 9:38:59 +0000 Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: TP755C - memory error - the plot thickens! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I successfully installed the old 4MB dram card after disconnecting the=20= bad memory on the motherboard last week, which gave me 5=2E7 MB=2E However, on plugging in my favoured DIMM board with 16MB, the machine=20= refuses to place that contiguously above the 1664KB so I get 1=2E6MB=20= instead of 17=2E6! Why would this be? I know I'm asking the machine to do an unusual=20= thing in the first place, but why would the 4MB expansion work, and=20= the 16MB one not? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 04:49:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA11841 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24342; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24218; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24205; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brunhilde (cal048104.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.64]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA11571; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:48:28 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990413104735.009bec90@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: s9503943@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:50:06 +0200 To: Bill Morrow , ROBERTO ALFALLA From: Jorg Spek Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3712C6F4.1C945379@icanect.net> References: <000a01be854e$bed49a20$3fa04f0c@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Roberto, I would NEVER EVER run drivespace on one of my drives again! It REALLY slows things down and makes your harddrive less reliabable, especially when you= use high compression and your disc is almost full. Don't do it man, you'll be sorry! Greets, Jorg Spek At 00:24 13-4-99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Drive space, for me, when i used it, on a 760CD long ago, under win95,= worked >flawlessly.. >i just don't like drive compressions apps.. it adds another layer of difficulty >to these things.. :-) > >ROBERTO ALFALLA wrote: > >> Greetings All >> >> Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their >> Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing= this. >> Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like= to >> go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? >> I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this >> here. Please drop me a line. >> >> Many Thanks, >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Roberto > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by= IBM >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will= vary, >Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 05:47:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA12158 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02993; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02816; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (kahuna.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02803; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu (tarski [128.171.50.25]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA07816; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:41:48 -1000 (HST) Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA01470; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:44:06 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199904130944.XAA01470@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd To: g.a.p.spek@student.utwente.nl (Jorg Spek) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 99 23:44:06 HST Cc: penzance@icanect.net, R.ALFALLA@worldnet.att.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990413104735.009bec90@mail.student.utwente.nl>; from "Jorg Spek" at Apr 13, 99 10:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] List-Unsubscribe: > I would NEVER EVER run drivespace on one of my drives again! It REALLY slows > things down and makes your harddrive less reliabable, especially when you use > high compression and your disc is almost full. Don't do it man, you'll be > sorry! I've been using drivespace on all my Windows machines since moving to W95, and before that used superstore on DOS and W31 machines, for several years now, and never had a problem. My benchmarks showed slight slowdowns on older machines (386 and slow 486), and actual speedups on faster machines (486/133 and up). I wouldn't advise it on nearly-full drives (since a fair amount of 'scratch' disk free space is needed by the program), and I've never compressed a whole C: drive, only secondary drives or compartments on the C: drive, as an extra safety precaution. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 06:02:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12225 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03545; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03419; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03406; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thor ([12.79.50.150]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990413095731.GIFS19174@thor> for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:57:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01be8594$51a0cfa0$96324f0c@thor> From: "Roberto" To: Subject: Coverting From FAT to 32 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:59:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All, I'm interested in converting my existing configuration >from FAT to 32. Any suggestions, experiences and or advise? Many Thanks, TP760CD P120 40 MB RAM 1.2 GB HD / Repliport / HP DeskJet 320 /Ext. Avatar Shark 250/ Ext. Jaz Drive 1GB/ Running Win95 OSR2 Sincerely, Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 06:35:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12373 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04808; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:30:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04685; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04672; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brunhilde (cal048104.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.64]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id MAA11047 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:30:32 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990413123050.0094aea0@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: s9503943@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:32:10 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jorg Spek Subject: [TP600] Direct3D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi, The specs for the ThinkPad 600 say, that the neomagic video controller supports direct3D. I can't seem to get it to work though. Any suggestions? Greets, Jorg 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 08:16:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12857 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07923; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:14:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07766; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07753; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-38.gate.net [207.36.213.38]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA96808; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37133524.28DC9FE1@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:14:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Power Adapters: 600 for a 770? References: <19990326180937.23202.qmail@ww190.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YES... Rob Bell wrote: > Can a power adapter for a TP600 work for a TP770? I seem to remember someone > on the list mentioning that they are interchangable. > > Thanks, > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 09:52:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13623 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12783; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:49:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12613; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (home.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12597; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04084; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:50:31 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199904131250.QAA04084@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Jamee Wang" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:48:27 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199904122140.RAA09956@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Piracy List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT), Jamee Wang wrote: >I think they would probably grab new/upgraded software from >their network directory when setting up new machines. Or, more like, they take something from the Open Source, change it a bit, recompile it, and sell it :) -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 02E: Deluxe Error. Please Send $75 to Upgrade Your Error From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 09:52:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13629 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12977; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12858; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (home.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12833; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06436 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:53:01 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199904131253.QAA06436@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:50:57 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU ( P233 -> PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d hardware acceleration? My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( Thanks, -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 10:03:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13685 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14313; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:00:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13993; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13930; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-38.gate.net [207.36.213.38]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA447512; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37134D86.11973AE1@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:58:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? References: <199904131253.QAA06436@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: no turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU ( P233 -> > PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d hardware acceleration? > > My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( > > Thanks, -turgut > -- > turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. > Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr > http://bbsturk.bbs.tr -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 10:06:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13716 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14653; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:04:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14435; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14417; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brunhilde (cal048104.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.64]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id QAA27918; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:03:27 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990413160244.009c2360@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: s9503943@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:05:06 +0200 To: Bill Morrow , turgut kalfaoglu From: Jorg Spek Subject: Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <37134D86.11973AE1@icanect.net> References: <199904131253.QAA06436@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I think a general tip is: Read IBM's website. They have a VERY extensive support section on their website. For the 600: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3Dbrand&brand=3DIBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+6= 00%7 C2645 Check it out! For instance: When you check the specs of the 600, you'll see that it says that the= processor is non-upgradable. Greets, Jorg At 09:58 13-4-99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >no > >turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU= =20 >( P233 -> >> PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d=20 >hardware acceleration? >> >> My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( >> >> Thanks, -turgut >> -- >> turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP=20 >signature. >> Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr >> http://bbsturk.bbs.tr > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by= IBM >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will=20 >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 12:37:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15120 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25210; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:21:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24954; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24774; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA25973; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:17:22 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21900; Tue, 13 Apr 99 17:12:10 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:20:30 +0000 To: Adam Quantrill Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP755C - memory error - WTB 755C motherboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I've just disconnected all the memory power pins on the motherboard=2E=20= The symptoms are similar: the machine will boot with the 4MB DRAM=20= expansion card installed (reports 3=2E7MB OK) but no dice with the 16MB=20= DIMM expansion card (same symptoms as no memory)=2E So I guess I'm looking for a replacement motherboard, had anyone got a=20= machine that's died from other causes and wants to sell theirs? - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: TP755C - memory error - the plot thickens! Author: MIME:Adam Quantrill at INTERNET Date: 13/04/99 09:45 I successfully installed the old 4MB dram card after disconnecting the bad=20= memory on the motherboard last week, which gave me 5=2E7 MB=2E However, on plugging in my favoured DIMM board with 16MB, the machine refuses=20= to place that contiguously above the 1664KB so I get 1=2E6MB instead of 17=2E6! Why would this be? I know I'm asking the machine to do an unusual thing in=20= the first place, but why would the 4MB expansion work, and the 16MB one not? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------=20= Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20= United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20= Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 14:03:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16093 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04103; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:00:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03944; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (root@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03903; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA10099 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:59:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 25818 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 17:08:39 -0000 Received: from mg139-082.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.179.139.82) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 17:08:40 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jorg Spek" , Subject: RE: [TP600] Cleaning the surface of the notebook Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:08:37 -0700 Message-Id: <002801be85d0$4593d2c0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990412214131.00949210@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > I own a TP600 and there are some stains on the lid of the unit. > Anyone know > with what to clean it? I use the same for this as for the screen: a 50-50 mixture of rubbing alcohol and clean water, with a soft 100% cotton cloth. (So it's really more like 35% alcohol, since rubbing alcohol is already diluted.) For a really oily stain that doesn't come off this way, I wet my finger and rub it on a bar of plain Ivory soap and then rub that into the stain. Then I clean the soap off with the alcohol mixture. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 14:07:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16144 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01046; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00727; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00686; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.12.213]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990413171602.NXSE553@tm.net.my>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:16:02 +0800 Message-ID: <37137B5A.E8FA159@tm.net.my> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:14:02 +0800 From: Zilim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Coverting From FAT to 32 References: <001c01be8594$51a0cfa0$96324f0c@thor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Roberto, You must be referring to conversion of FAT16 to Fat32. Go to this site http://www.compuclinic.com/osr2faq/ and you will get most of your questions answered. Good Luck, Peter Roberto wrote: > Greetings All, > > I'm interested in converting my existing configuration > from FAT to 32. Any suggestions, experiences and or advise? > > Many Thanks, > TP760CD P120 40 MB RAM 1.2 GB HD / Repliport / HP DeskJet 320 > /Ext. Avatar Shark 250/ Ext. Jaz Drive 1GB/ Running Win95 OSR2 > > Sincerely, > > Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 14:20:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16345 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05067; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:13:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04863; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (root@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04841; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA13807 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:12:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 29388 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 17:21:23 -0000 Received: from mg139-082.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.179.139.82) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 17:21:23 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: Sticker residue - how to remove it Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:21:21 -0700 Message-Id: <002901be85d2$0cedccd0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01aa01be8524$616246a0$7249c998@cueve> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: For anyone who's removed the ugly Intel and Microsoft stickers from their ThinkPads and has been frustrated by the sticky residue that often gets left behind, here's the best way I found to get rid of it. Go to your local art supply or office supply store and get a "rubber cement pick-up." This is a block of soft sticky rubber designed to pick up rubber cement residue. It works perfectly for picking up that sticker residue, and doesn't harm the ThinkPad's finish at all. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 16:32:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18027 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15218; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14889; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14763; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a168.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.168]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05624 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904132021.QAA05624@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a168.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.168] 209.198.80.168 Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:16:23 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWAVE OS2 Install trouble X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I've been trying to install the Mwave software on a TP600. I keep geeting the error "cannot copy file ~1NSO762.Lib to a temp. directory. Error 420" I've downloaded the files for this twice, and tried different flooy disk --Does anyone know what I'm missing? Thanks. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 17:05:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18490 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15222; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14947; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14776; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a168.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.168]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05642; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904132021.QAA05642@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a168.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.168] 209.198.80.168 Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:33:44 -0400 To: "Michael Geary" , In-Reply-To: <002901be85d2$0cedccd0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Subject: Re: Sticker residue - how to remove it X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Thank for the tip, but their not just Microsoft and Intel stickers -- their WARNING labels. >For anyone who's removed the ugly Intel and Microsoft stickers from their >ThinkPads and has been frustrated by the sticky residue that often gets >left behind, here's the best way I found to get rid of it. >Go to your local art supply or office supply store and get a "rubber >cement pick-up." This is a block of soft sticky rubber designed to pick >up rubber cement residue. It works perfectly for picking up that sticker >residue, and doesn't harm the ThinkPad's finish at all. >-Mike >Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: www.geary.com _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 17:54:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19074 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21324; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:51:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21104; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21043; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:50:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([135.145.254.78]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990413215026.HGUI28561@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:50:26 +0000 Received: from [146.18.174.10] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:48:28 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Memory Upgrade 760 CD Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:48:28 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 18 1999) X-Authenticated-Sender: r.alfalla@att.net Message-Id: <19990413215026.HGUI28561@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All I know many on this list have seen similar questions from me regardings this. Please bare with me I'm kinda a nubie working on my machine. I appreciate eveyones help and patience. I believe i have a carrier board with 2/ 16MB edo I want yo use to 32 MB edo/ Cricial has them for 77.00 a piece... propritary. what does that mean is it the same as my ED0 memory... Any comments would be welcome!! Thanks Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 18:26:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19527 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23237; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:18:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23145; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23129; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.229.91.61] (helo=fever0.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XBVX-0004Du-0A for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:18:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:17:21 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Nicolas FitzGerald Subject: Re: Piracy In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990411183015.00923d40@shell9.ba.best.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 List-Unsubscribe: In article <4.1.19990411183015.00923d40@shell9.ba.best.com>, David Goldman writes >Bill: > >While I agree that the ThinkPads mailing list is not the place >for a flame war (and has been free of such for a long time), >neither do I believe that it should be a forum for piracy >advocates and warez. In all truth, I was greatly saddened >that NOBODY else had mentioned the piracy issue for over >two hours after Barry Marks made his pro-piracy comment. >Maybe I'm just very sensitive to piracy given that I make >my living by creating, selling and supporting custom software. > >I renew my offer... If anybody (other than Barry) thinks that >I was out-of-line with my remarks (or that piracy is 'OK'), >then just say the word and I'll be gone. > >-- >David Goldman Oh I clap & bow to your perceptiveness! Damn it Mr Goldman, someone is rocking your cage 2 days (2 hours, sorry) in a row! Have you re-read your post, perhaps? Did it not seem a tad of topic, perhaps? The only _sad_ thing in this, is that that you have reread it, I'm sure as you've posted this one too (of topic, perhaps?) Maybe nobody wanted to reply, has that occurred to you? Your analogies are monstrous, and obviously broken, so I won't attempt any further comment on them... This no: alt.bad.fiction-abuse.anybody.you.wish.to.. Maybe, you should try growing up yourself, as your style indicates either that you're adolescent in age, or in your nature! I've used this list for nearly a year now. I've only posted a couple of times, when I thought I was able to contribute to resolving a query about TP's. As I do not find time to read the list every day, I do not miss a single posting as I've set it up as pseudo-news group, and recently I've gone through the postings I've missed, and I believe not to have noticed one single article, where anyone was accused of: - piracy; - not `personally' seeing anything wrong with: selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids; - not `personally' seeing anything wrong with: killing people with a gun because they don't have the same colour of skin or believe in a different religion; - having: all the morals of a snake oil salesman; - harming: `somebody else' and advising also to `get off this list and start to lurk in the *.warez newsgroups' etc. can't even be commented upon,> Please, spare us from any futher posts like this, please! And all that on what grounds? His opinion? Perhaps *you should* take a walk in the park, or if that doesn't help, *lurk* yourself a more adequate surrounding, there plenty on Usenet AND STOP POSTING OF BLOODY TOPIC IN HERE!!! AND THEN BEING SO ARROGANT to ask everybody to support this childish tripe! And just not to give grounds any further accusations from you, I do support all effort for people to be pay ed for their work. It does not seem to bother you that the company who made the software in the first place CARES SO DAMN MUCH FOR HONESTY, MORALS, FAIRNESS, BEING BOUND TO ITS CONTRACTS etc. -- Nicolas FitzGerald nicf@fever0.demon.co.uk From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 19:34:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20192 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27211; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:30:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27042; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (root@bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27003; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA10036 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:30:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 23197 invoked from network); 13 Apr 1999 20:38:49 -0000 Received: from mg139-082.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.179.139.82) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 20:38:49 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: Sticker residue - how to remove it Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:38:45 -0700 Message-Id: <002b01be85ed$a081ff50$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904132021.QAA05642@garnet.sover.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Thank for the tip, but their not just Microsoft and Intel stickers -- > their WARNING labels. I'm afraid I don't follow you at all here. Could you explain to me what you mean? Are those two stickers actually warning labels of some sort? (And what would that have to do with how to remove them cleanly?) Or are there other labels on the machine that are hard to remove too? The only labels I've needed to remove from my ThinkPads and other notebooks are the Intel/Microsoft stickers. Everything else has always looked like something that belongs where it is. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 20:28:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20684 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29914; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:26:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29769; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29745; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:25:47 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id UAA17879 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904140025.UAA17879@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:24:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Sticker residue - how to remove it List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:38:45 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> Thank for the tip, but their not just Microsoft and Intel stickers -- >> their WARNING labels. > >I'm afraid I don't follow you at all here. Could you explain to me what you >mean? > >Are those two stickers actually warning labels of some sort? (And what would >that have to do with how to remove them cleanly?) Or are there other labels >on the machine that are hard to remove too? No, he meant it was a warning there was Windows loaded. (Or hardware from that other champion of anti-trust actions). andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 20:45:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20831 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00774; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:38:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00616; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00596; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA05273 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199904140038.RAA05273@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: piracy List-Unsubscribe: From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Apr 13 09:40:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with ESMTP id JAA25017 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24434; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:15:38 -0400 To: thinkpad-digest-recipients:; Subject: thinkpad digest for Tue, 13 Apr 1999 Reply-To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="99041312150224197" Message-ID: Status: RO --99041312150224197 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-description: Masthead (information about thinkpad-digest) Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: "Re: thinkpad digest for...") To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --99041312150224197 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-description: Today's topics Today's topics: Re: Piracy (Richard Chalk) Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply (Kevin Toner) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (letoured@sover.net) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Dan Galender) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Randal Whittle) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Andrew Webber) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Cottrell, Eric) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Cottrell, Eric) [TP600] Cleaning the surface of the notebook (Jorg Spek) Re: i1721 and Other TP Models (Barry Marks) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Andrew Webber) Re: Win95 OSR2 (Barry Marks) Re: Piracy (Bill Morrow) Re: Piracy (Barry Marks) RE: Help on SCSI PCCard (Cottrell, Eric) Re: Piracy (Barry Marks) Re: Piracy (Jamee Wang) SOLVED (Re: External Video on TP 380D w/Linux?) (Jeremy D. Zawodny) [TP755C] Noisy HD? (Jamee Wang) Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd (ROBERTO ALFALLA) Re: [TP755C] Noisy HD? (Bill Morrow) Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd (Bill Morrow) TP755C - memory error - the plot thickens! (Adam Quantrill) Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd (Jorg Spek) Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd (David Ross) Coverting From FAT to 32 (Roberto) [TP600] Direct3D (Jorg Spek) Re: Power Adapters: 600 for a 770? (Bill Morrow) Re: Piracy (turgut kalfaoglu) Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? (turgut kalfaoglu) Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? (Bill Morrow) Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? (Jorg Spek) --99041312150224197 Content-type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990411172259.00bd1760@shell9.ba.best.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:26:16 -0400 From: Richard Chalk To: David Goldman , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <4.1.19990412131955.0094e770@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In principle, you are absolutely right about this, and as far as diminishing the revenue of the individual who produces the product, I am in complete support of your position. However... The fact that Windows 95, OSR-2, was never released to the consumer seems inconsistent with the philosophy of product support. In addition to providing FAT32 support, it also had many bug fixes and improvements, which were never released as a service pack, or any other way, except for a few that were posted on Microsoft's web site (s), so the only way to get these fixes is to aquire an illegitimate copy of OSR-2. I am reasonably certain that many of the users on this list have done just that, and there is no impact to Microsoft's retailing, since there is no way to buy this product "above the table" What would your solution be in this case? Richard At 05:49 PM 4/11/99 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >>W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >>The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >>If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >>years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >>package in the store it's the original version. >> >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. >> >>This isn't allowed by the license but it's >>commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >>wrong with it. It's not piracy. > >Barry: > >I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition >of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, >but if selling something in direct violation of the software license >isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. > >You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you >agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading >the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used >on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the >software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system >and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not >legally install that software on another system. > >As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small >computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement >they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and >is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the >purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. > >As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting >custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see >anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court >of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with >selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people >with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe >in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! >You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. > >It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral >person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of >it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids >and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases >a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of >a defective transmission: > >Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under > warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a > quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. > >Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something > about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring > contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty > 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see > anything wrong with that. > >Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. > But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't > see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess > I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the > repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to > come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? > >Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what >you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to >lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. > >P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll >be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. > > >-- >/=================================================================\ >| David Goldman | My business motto is: | >| IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | >| | [ ] Cheap | >| Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | >\=================================================================/ ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:52:48 -0500 From: "Kevin Toner" To: Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chuck, Sorry, I can't seem to go back to the way things were, and I don't have a = modem driver that works like before. You would think the IBM restore CD = would help on this, but it will put my entire computer back into a Win95 = environment after I've spent many hours setting up a pristine version of = Win98. I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about adding a 56k modem = card and trying to disable the built-in modem. Kevin >>> "Chuck S." 04/10/99 10:15am >>> Kevin, Can I still get the driver that connected between 51K-53K? Do you think = it would work on my i1721? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade After downloading and installing the latest and greatest v.90 upgrade for = myTP600's internal 56k modem, my internet connection speeds have dropped = from about 51-53k to 26-28k. It seems that I recently read a post from = someone else who had this experience. Does anyone know of a fix to the = fix? Thanks in advance. Kevin Toner ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:14:44 -0400 From: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: <199904121728.NAA07371@garnet.sover.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't the APA-1450 ONLY for Winxx? And the same for the Cardbus. >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses >ASPI2DOS.SYS. You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of >the APA-1460A. >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to >load the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI= >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not thin= k >the disk one does. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > ---------- > From: Dan Galender [SMTP:dan@galender.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:43 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Help on SCSI PCCard > This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I >thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of the >subscribers to this list. > =A0 > I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI PCCards >(an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).=A0 What I can't seem to be able to d= o >with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS boot floppy which wil= l >give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz from a DOS prompt (do I use a >device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys? and if so, which 'x', I think I'= ve >tried them all).=A0 [I want to do a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a= >partition image from one 770 to the other.]=A0 Neither PCCard documentat= ion >from Adaptec addresses the DOS accessability issue.=A0 I only need to ge= t >one PCCard working ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that >PCCard in both machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both.= > =A0 > Has anyone else done this?=A0 And if so, how? > =A0 > Thanks in advance. > =A0 > -Dan Galender _____________ letoured@sover.net ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <2IH6lLA8aaE3Ewiw@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:21:13 -0700 From: "Dan Galender" To: , "Greg Terrell" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id MAA24434 Greg- This was of tremendous help. I got the Jaz drive recognized immediately. Thanks! (I knew I came to the right place.) One last question. Although it seems to be working fine, it does complai= n that it can't find the cardid.ini file. Any chance you can post yours so= I can see what I need to put in mine? Thanks once again. By the way, if anyone cares, Adaptec confirms that this will *not* work w= ith the CardBus version (1480). No DOS drivers for that one at all, they cla= im. -Dan -----Original Message----- From: Greg Terrell [mailto:greg@moab.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:55 AM To: Dan Galender; Ron Heiby Cc: Andrew Webber Subject: Re: Help on SCSI PCCard In message <004e01be8475$0f20f210$45e0e9d1@galender.com>, Dan Galender writes > This may be more of an Adaptec question than a ThinkPad one, but I > thought I'd try to avail myself of some of the vast expertise of > the subscribers to this list. > =A0 > I have a two ThinkPad 770s (an X and a Z) and two Adaptec SCSI > PCCards (an APA-1450A and a SlimSCSI 1480).=A0 What I can't seem to > be able to do with either notebook or PCCard, is configure a DOS > boot floppy which will give me access to my (SCSI connected) Jaz > from a DOS prompt (do I use a device=3DASPIxDOS.SYS in my config.sys= ? > and if so, which 'x', I think I've tried them all).=A0 [I want to do > a Drive Image Backup/Restore to copy a partition image from one 770 > to the other.]=A0 Neither PCCard documentation from Adaptec addresse= s > the DOS accessability issue.=A0 I only need to get one PCCard workin= g > ('cause I can use the same boot floppy with that PCCard in both > machines), so I'll settle for either if I can't get both. > =A0 > Has anyone else done this?=A0 And if so, how? > =A0 > Thanks in advance. > =A0 > -Dan Galender This is how I boot my 770 (95491AO) from a DOS floppy using Adaptec 1460A SlimSCSI and Jaz drive. I use this to back up to the Jaz with Drive Image. It also enables me use the internal CD-ROM in DOS. I have put all relevant drivers on the floppy. Config.sys: DOS=3DHIGH,UMB DEVICE=3DA:\HIMEM.SYS Device=3DA:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS x=3DD000-D7FF rem next 2 lines already here LASTDRIVE=3DZ ; Put Network or CD-ROM Drivers here. DEVICE=3DA:\DRIVERS\IBMTPCD.SYS rem SystemSoft CardWorks(TM) PCMCIA drivers: device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CARDXTND.SYS device=3DA:\DRIVERS\SSCBTI.SYS device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CS.SYS/POLL:1 device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CSALLOC.EXE device=3DA:\DRIVERS\CARDID.SYS DEVICE=3DA:\DRIVERS\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D /PCMCIA /Z Autoexec.bat: @ECHO OFF PROMPT $P$G REM Put Network or CD-ROM drivers here. A:\DRIVERS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:TPCD001 /M:15 /L:G A:\DRIVERS\MOUSE.COM ECHO Locate and install correct Iomega drivers A:\DRIVERS\GUEST letter=3Dh -- Greg Terrell ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:26:25 -0700 From: Randal Whittle To: "Cottrell, Eric" , TP List Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: <4.1.19990412102539.00a5fef0@rcf.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 At 11:49 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses ASPI2DOS.SYS. >You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. > >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to load >the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not think >the disk one does. Wouldn't you also have to load DOS-Based card management services for the card to be recognized at *all*? --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:24:19 -0400 From: "Andrew Webber" Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: <199904121825.OAA29698@dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:49:59 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. It's possible, but there are differences: the 1450's cable is not removable, it only supports Windows 95, and it only supports 3 devices (according to the documentation; the website says 7). On the website, they recommend it only for backup devices such as Jaz, and the 1460 for disks. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:09:21 -0400 From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: TP List , "'Randal Whittle'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello, I thought he already did that. Unfortunely I left my DOS based rescue disk at home so I was going by memory. Good that others had a better answer. 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net ---------- From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 1:26 PM To: Cottrell, Eric; TP List Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard At 11:49 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have a APA-1460A card that I use in my Tpad 365ED. It uses ASPI2DOS.SYS. >You can use the /v switch to see >if it loads properly. I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. > >ASPI2DOS.SYS is only part of the requirement for dos. You also need to load >the ASPICD.SYS driver >(and MSCDEX as well) for SCSI CD rom usage and the ASPIDISK.SYS for SCSI >disk usage. >The CD Driver and MSCDEX needs command line parameters but I do not think >the disk one does. Wouldn't you also have to load DOS-Based card management services for the card to be recognized at *all*? --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400 From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Andrew Webber'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: Hello, Well I guess I was partly right since the 1450A is now a "classic" product but the 1460 has been available for years so they could have been available at the same time. I have a 1460 that came with a SCSI-1 cable but I was able to get a cheap SCSI-2 cable at a fleamarket of all places. I forgot that Adaptec seems to use the model number to denote the feature set, bus, etc. They change trailing letters and numbers after the letters for revisions. The first two numbers seem to be the bus type. The more "powerful" the card the higher the last two numbers. I have a 1542B which is a Half Length Bus Mastering ISA card. This replaced the 1542A which was a Full Length Bus Mastering ISA Card. They later came out with a 1542CF which added Fast Scsi, additional boot capabilities, and some other stuff. The base model numbers are the same but the designs are different. I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to have the same speed and since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 controller could have more chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be possible the 1450a was only designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was saved by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not having a removable cable, etc.. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Andrew Webber [SMTP:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 2:24 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:49:59 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I assume the APA-1450A is an earlier version of the >APA-1460A. It's possible, but there are differences: the 1450's cable is not removable, it only supports Windows 95, and it only supports 3 devices (according to the documentation; the website says 7). On the website, they recommend it only for backup devices such as Jaz, and the 1460 for disks. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:42:59 +0200 From: Jorg Spek To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: [TP600] Cleaning the surface of the notebook Message-Id: <4.1.19990412214131.00949210@mail.student.utwente.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! I own a TP600 and there are some stains on the lid of the unit. Anyone know with what to clean it? Thanks in advance, Jorg 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:03:28 -0500 From: "Barry Marks" To: "Chuck S." , Subject: Re: i1721 and Other TP Models Message-Id: <018a01be851f$8996e2c0$7249c998@cueve> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I almost bought an i1451 but I decided not to get something with the = plain vanilla pentium at that price. If it had a Celeron I would have = gotten one. I've found that for the same price I can get a Toshiba with = an AMD K6-2 with a 6.4 gig drive and 64 meg. I haven't done that. I really want a Thinkpad. I have 2 older ones now = and they've been great and I don't know that I want to try something = different. So I'm just waiting. I really don't think the i series (with the exception of the 1721) is = that interesting. I wasn't sure I wanted to pay the price for the 1721 = but I went looking for one thinking I might let it tempt me into it. = But nobody has them in stock and nobody is thinking of getting one. The = only one I could find was a display model which didn't look too good. Maybe in a few months I'll take another look. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Chuck S. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 1:08 PM Subject: i1721 and Other TP Models =20 =20 I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current technology = (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a = reasonable price (for a TP) . The i Series seems to be priced to = capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while still delivering the = quality, performance and service TP owners expect. So, how come there = is so little discussion about the i Series here? I think I have heard = from only one other person in this list that has one. By comparison, we = cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, but it has already generated much = discussion. As a newcomer to TP's, I've noticed that certain models are = revered with almost cult status, but the i Series is probably destined = for oblivion. Can anyone explain this? Also, can anyone technically = compare the i Series to other TP models? For one thing, I read it is = the only TP built by IBM. It also is thicker and heavier that other = models. =20 Thanks, Chuck ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I almost bought an i1451 but I = decided not to=20 get something with the plain vanilla pentium at that price.  If it = had a=20 Celeron I would have gotten one.  I've found that for the same = price I can=20 get a Toshiba with an AMD K6-2 with a 6.4 gig drive and 64 = meg.
 
I haven't done that.  I really want a = Thinkpad.  I=20 have 2 older ones now and they've been great and I don't know that I = want to try=20 something different.  So I'm just waiting.
 
I really don't think the i series (with the = exception of the=20 1721) is that interesting.  I wasn't sure I wanted to pay the price = for the=20 1721 but I went looking for one thinking I might let it tempt me into = it. =20 But nobody has them in stock and nobody is thinking of getting = one.  The=20 only one I could find was a display model which didn't look too=20 good.
 
Maybe in a few months I'll take another = look.
 
Barry
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Chuck S. <probepro@mindspring.com>To:=20 thinkpad@cs.utk.edu = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Sunday, April 11, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: i1721 and = Other TP=20 Models

I purchased a i1721 2 months ago because it used current = technology=20 (300 MHz PII, Win98, V.90, DVD) and other features I wanted at a = reasonable=20 price (for a TP) .  The i Series seems to be priced=20 to capture a piece of the $1400-2700 market while = still=20 delivering the quality, performance and service TP owners = expect.  So,=20 how come there is so little discussion about the i Series = here?  I=20 think I have heard from only one other person in this list that = has=20 one. By comparison, we cannot get our hands on a 770Z yet, = but it=20 has already generated much discussion.  As a newcomer to TP's, = I've=20 noticed that certain models are revered with almost cult = status,=20 but the i Series is probably destined for oblivion.  Can = anyone=20 explain this?  Also, can anyone technically compare the i = Series=20 to other TP models?  For one thing, I read it is the only = TP built=20 by IBM.  It also is thicker and heavier that other = models.
 
Thanks,
Chuck
------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BE84F5.9F72AFE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:05:55 -0400 From: "Andrew Webber" Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: <199904122011.QAA27123@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to >have the same speed and >since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 >controller could have more >chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be >possible the 1450a was only >designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was >saved >by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not >having a removable cable, etc.. Well, there's the non-removable cable (although they include an adaptor to go from 50 pin to DB-25). Also as you say only Windows 95 drivers. The 1450 _manual_ says it only supports 3 devices on the SCSI bus, although the website says 7. The 1450 is also about half the price (list is U$86 [it was U$99 two weeks ago!] vs. U$175). I really don't see anything from the specs that indicates why the 1450 won't support a SCSI HD and the 1460 will. Maybe it's a marketing thing. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:09:38 -0500 From: "Barry Marks" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 Message-Id: <019d01be8520$65a7dc60$7249c998@cueve> I had forgotten that I also used Partition Magic to create FAT32. Although I did have OSR2. I guess I wasn't sure if it would have worked with the original win95. My 365XD has the original win95 and I think I rememeber that I tried and succeded in turning that to a FAT32 drive with PM. I'm not totally sure. I know I didn't leave it that way since I use 2 old programs that won't run in FAT32 and I don't want to partition the 2.1 gig drive. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 >On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:31:12 -0500, Barry Marks wrote: > >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. > >As I had pointed out to me some months ago (and as I've since >discovered), one can use Partition Magic to change a partition from >FAT to FAT32. > >If that's the only reason for getting OSR2, it might be cheaper >than Windows, even a break-the-license copy from a small shop. > >My TP600 will not create a partition as FAT32 out of the box, >despite running OSR2. I tried when I first got it, and IBM support >told me it's because it's running IBM DOS 7 instead of DOS 6.22 >(under the Windows, that is). > >Whatever the reason, I've had no trouble changing to FAT32 with >Partition Magic. > > >andrew >------ >my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/lgb > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:38:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: Randal Whittle CC: Steven Augart , TP List Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <371259C9.AD17E3A6@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 This is begining to sound like the birth control debate, or, dare i mention the abortion debate.. reason goes out the window and the great spirit (fill in your own version of god) tells you what to do, and do it you do.. :-) you do it against any force arrayed against you.. law, reason, fairness, sanity.. a little flexability is, i think, in order.. and perhaps a big portion of minding ones own business, climbing off the pulpit and changing the subject.. :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 12:31 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Are you planning on raising kids > >> and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that > >> you don't intend to honor"? > > >Perhaps you're referring to the little stickers on the back of > >software disks that say "By breaking this seal you agree to all of > >these contract terms"? Well, those little stickers have no legal > >standing. You can't agree to a complete contract by breaking a little > >seal. Many software vendors wish that they could make you do so, but > >that's not the way it works. > > I'm a little surprised by David's reaction...does he really think that > everyone on the list checks their e-mail every hour, particularly on > weekends? For goodness sakes...do you ever go outside?! > > Furthermore, the legalisms & technicalities in some of these asanine > software "agreements" (which are anything *but*) are absurd at best. A few > have tried to be reasonable...like Borland used to have in their license > that you could put the software on two machines (i.e., my Thinkpad *and* my > desktop). But generally, the so-called license "agreements" are, (*ahem*) > a crock of shit. > > As to whether I (or anyone else?) am a pirate? > > If by that you mean "Do I make it a practice to copy disks for resale or > buy them from others who do so", the answer is an emphatic *No*. > > But if you instead define "Pirate" as one who takes his singular copy > of...oh, say my e-mail program, and installs it on both my laptop as well > as my desktop machine... > > ...if that's how you define a pirate, then the answer is YES, DAMMIT--I'M > A PIRATE BECAUSE I PAID FOR THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE AND EXPECT TO HAVE A > RIGHT TO USE IT ON WHICHEVER FRIGGIN' MACHINE I HAPPEN TO BE IN FRONT OF AT > THE TIME. > > Okay, done ranting. > > Intellectual property is an important issue worth respecting and taking > seriously. It is *not* however something that should be taken to an > extreme, with asanine and absurd restrictions that transcend all reason. > > ...nor should disagreements over it be lumped in with murder, hate crime, > gang rapes, or narcotics distribution. Get a life, for heavens sake. > Leave your e-mail for more than a couple of hours and go outside. > > --- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > Whittle Solutions -- Marketspace Strategy Consultant > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:38:09 -0500 From: "Barry Marks" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <01aa01be8524$616246a0$7249c998@cueve> Until I reached the point where you compared me to a snake oil salesman, I felt that your posted opinion was a little strong but well thought out and there was basically nothing I could disagree with. Although I don't feel that what I said was wrong. But from the snake oil part on, don't you think you might have been overdoing it just a little? I hope you do. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and try to give you what I think is a reasonable answer. First, the license on the package of disks that you read (I don't but it seems you do) before you break the seal is not considered to be valid in courts according to a number of articles I've read. It's the scare tactic used by software publishers to try to prevent piracy. It might even be effective. I don't know. The reason it's not valid is that no contract can be considered valid under the law if there is no opportunity for negotiation. And there is none. Your options are to accept, reject or ignore the license. You can't say "Wait, let's add this clause!". It's placed on a package that you need and have already paid for and you don't really have much option. Most of us can choose which compiler or word processor we use but we can't realistically choose not to use one. That's why it doesn't stand up in court. What does concern the courts is the question of whether you've paid for the package or not. There are valid laws covering the use of software you haven't paid for. I'm semi-retired now and I don't do much development anymore. But I was a programmer, systems programmer and systems analyst for 32 years and during part of that time I was paid from the sales of sofware that I wrote. I understand about the need for a programmer to be paid for his work. But keeping the rules perfectly isnt the same thing as being honest. Barry -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Piracy >At 03:31 PM 4/11/99 , Barry Marks wrote: >>W95 OSR2 supports FAT32 and the original doesn't. >>The only way OSR2 was sold was as an OEM version. >>If it came on your computer in the last 2 or 3 >>years it would be OSR2. If you bought the W95 >>package in the store it's the original version. >> >>A way around this is to go to a small computer >>store that will sell you an OEM version. A lot of >>them have them for sale for a fraction of the >>package in the larger stores. >> >>This isn't allowed by the license but it's >>commonly done and I personally can't see a thing >>wrong with it. It's not piracy. > >Barry: > >I don't quite know what to say here. It depends on your definition >of the word "piracy" with regard to computer software and licenses, >but if selling something in direct violation of the software license >isn't piracy, it certainly can't be "100% OK" either. > >You will find that when you purchased a new machine with W95 OSR2 >pre-installed on it, *IF* you bother to read the license information >that you agreed to, the W95 isn't licensed to you for your use in >whatever way you think is alright. In fact, it isn't licensed to you >at all. The Windows 95 OSR2 (and probably all of the other bundled >software pre-installed on that system) is licensed to that PHYSICAL >HARDWARE SYSTEM! In other words, according to the license that you >agreed to when purchasing the system and not returning it upon reading >the license agreement, the (bundled) software may only LEGALLY be used >on that physical system. If you sell the system, you may not keep the >software for use on another system. Hell! Even if you keep the system >and remove all the bundled software from that system, you may not >legally install that software on another system. > >As far as buying a copy of the OEM W95 OSR2 software from a 'small >computer store', that is in direct violation of the dealer agreement >they signed when they purchased the PC hardware/software bundle and >is against the license agreement that you agreed to buy making the >purchase! It really doesn't matter if the practice is common or not. > >As one who makes his living by creating, selling and supporting >custom software, I have to say that whether or not you can see >anything wrong with doing something doesn't mean squat in a court >of law. What if you "personally can't see a thing wrong" with >selling narcotic drugs to eight year old kids or killing people >with a gun because they don't have the same color skin or believe >in a different religion? Does that mean it should be legal? Hah! >You have all the morals of a snake oil salesman, Barry. > >It's time for you to either step up and be an upstanding, moral >person or to declare loudly "I'm a software pirate and proud of >it". The choice is yours, Berry. Are you planning on raising kids >and telling them "It's OK to sign contracts and make promised that >you don't intend to honor"? I can just see it now... Barry purchases >a brand new, $45,000 car and takes it back to the dealer because of >a defective transmission: > >Barry: Hi! I'd like the transmission on my new car repaired under > warranty. I've only got 300 miles on it, but it burns a > quart of transmission fluid every 50 miles. > >Dealer: Sure. I can see where you'd think that we'd do something > about that, but see, our owner doesn't believe in honoring > contracts and stuff. So we've chosen to void your warranty > 'cause (snicker, snicker) the owner doesn't personally see > anything wrong with that. > >Barry: Oh! (ha, ha) That's a good one. I guess I'm just out of luck here. > But I want you to know that I understand completely. If you don't > see anything wrong with not honoring your promises then I guess > I can't fault you for that. Here, let me give you $1500 for the > repair and by the way, my wife and son each want appointments to > come by and purchase new cars for themselves. Is that ok? > >Barry, I have a suggestion for you. Either grow-up and realize that what >you are doing is harming somebody else or get off this list and start to >lurk in the *.warez newsgroups. > >P.S. If anybody feels that I'm out of line here, just say the word. I'll >be more than happy to unsubscribe and never bother you again. > > >-- >/================================================ =================\ >| David Goldman | My business motto is: | >| IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | >| | [ ] Cheap | >| Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | >\================================================ =================/ > ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:52:21 -0400 From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Andrew Webber'" Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard Message-Id: Hello, Well being a discontinued card the price wil start to drop and it will start to show up at surplus places. No doubt the price difference between the 1450A and 1460A is partly software as I got EZSCSI 4.00 when I bought my 1460A. I have seen older 1460A cards at computer shows going for $50 to $60 bucks. It may had the older EZSCSI software with it or just the card, I do not remember. I picked up a Toast 'n Jam Card ($300 Original price?) for $50 at the last computer show. It is for a older 486SL laptop I have that does not have sound or built-in CD. I originally had the 1460A on the 486SL laptop. I may get rid of the 486SL laptop but wanted to have a external CD with it and did not want to give up the 1460A. Now that it has sound and SCSI I may dedicate it for some automotive navigation stuff. I am a packrat by nature and find it difficult to sell or throw out stuff. The number of devices is a driver thing as device selection is done over the 8 bit bus. Sounds like they improved the driver to support 7 devices. I try to stay on the trailing edge of technology. It seems like it is easier to do these days as the changes to processors are mainly adding instructions to make the machine faster. Also the perfornance differences due to speed are less (going from 8 to 50 MHz has more impact than from 200 to 266). You want something that is still supported. That is why I would consider something like a discontinued 770 series rather than a new i17xx series with similar processors. I use a Pentium 233MMX on the desktop and a 586 for the laptop so a Pentium MMX laptop will do fine. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Andrew Webber [SMTP:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:06 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Help on SCSI PCCard On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:20 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >I wonder what the differences between the 1450A and 1460A are? They seem to >have the same speed and >since they are not bus-mastering they would not have processors. The 1460 >controller could have more >chache or other features to off load the computers CPU. It could also be >possible the 1450a was only >designed as a low-cost solution to back up windows 95 machines so money was >saved >by only doing Windows 95 drivers, not providing a full set of software, not >having a removable cable, etc.. Well, there's the non-removable cable (although they include an adaptor to go from 50 pin to DB-25). Also as you say only Windows 95 drivers. The 1450 _manual_ says it only supports 3 devices on the SCSI bus, although the website says 7. The 1450 is also about half the price (list is U$86 [it was U$99 two weeks ago!] vs. U$175). I really don't see anything from the specs that indicates why the 1450 won't support a SCSI HD and the 1460 will. Maybe it's a marketing thing. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:49:27 -0500 From: "Barry Marks" To: "Tom Collins" , Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <01c301be8525$f5e592e0$7249c998@cueve> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Collins To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Piracy >I wonder.......do the techs and engineers at Microsoft requisition a new copy of >software when they fire up a new box at work? Or do they just grab the same CD >over on the desk? I don't think using the same CD over again violates the license. The company I worked for last was very careful about doing everything in the most legal way. They can't afford the bad publicity that would accompany a suit against them. But they used the same CD over and over. They bought a new package for everything they didn't have a site license for. The discs were stored and ready to be shown. But with 1400 desktop PC's they would never have been able to keep up with using the correct CD for every installation or repair. I'm quite sure they would have tried, though, if it hadn't already been cleared by the legal department. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0400 From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee Wang) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <199904122140.RAA09956@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 I think they would probably grab new/upgraded software from their network directory when setting up new machines. > From: Tom Collins > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: Piracy > > I wonder.......do the techs and engineers at > Microsoft requisition a new copy of > software when they fire up a new box at work? Or > do they just grab the same CD > over on the desk? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: jzawodn@wcnet.org's message of "11 Apr 1999 18:53:50 -0400" Date: 12 Apr 1999 20:08:35 -0400 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) To: comp.os.linux.misc@tu-darmstadt.de CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SOLVED (Re: External Video on TP 380D w/Linux?) Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) writes: > I've had a ThinkPad 380D for about half a year now and it's been > happily running various flavors on Linux. I've been using the binary > X Server for the NeoMagic chip set provided by Red Hat software > (XBF-neomagic-glibc-1.1.0-1.i386 to be exact). [snip] > After inspecting my XF86Config file, it would appear that I need a > definition for the external video that the NeoMagic server groks. [snip] Actually, this was easy. All I had to do was enable the following option in the "Device" section of /etc/X11/XF86Config: Option "extern_disp" That was easy. Woohoo! Now I have external video. Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:13:32 -0400 From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee Wang) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Subject: [TP755C] Noisy HD? Message-Id: <199904130113.VAA26452@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Any TP755c users think their internal HD power is a bit noisy? When my machine is on, the HD seems to emit a swirling/buzzing sound. Hope it's not a problem. Jamee ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:04:26 -0400 From: "ROBERTO ALFALLA" To: Subject: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Message-Id: <000a01be854e$bed49a20$3fa04f0c@thor> Greetings All Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing this. Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like to go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this here. Please drop me a line. Many Thanks, Sincerely, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:22:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: Jamee Wang CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: [TP755C] Noisy HD? Message-Id: <3712C680.8A694FB@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 James.. it depends upon the reason for the noise.. obviously.. if this noise is new, then do your backups and look around for another HDD.. Jamee Wang wrote: > Any TP755c users think their internal HD power is a bit noisy? > When my machine is on, the HD seems to emit a swirling/buzzing > sound. > > Hope it's not a problem. > > Jamee -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: ROBERTO ALFALLA CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Message-Id: <3712C6F4.1C945379@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Drive space, for me, when i used it, on a 760CD long ago, under win95, worked flawlessly.. i just don't like drive compressions apps.. it adds another layer of difficulty to these things.. :-) ROBERTO ALFALLA wrote: > Greetings All > > Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their > Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing this. > Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like to > go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? > I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this > here. Please drop me a line. > > Many Thanks, > > Sincerely, > > Roberto -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:38:59 -0000 From: Adam Quantrill CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: TP755C - memory error - the plot thickens! Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I successfully installed the old 4MB dram card after disconnecting the=20= bad memory on the motherboard last week, which gave me 5=2E7 MB=2E However, on plugging in my favoured DIMM board with 16MB, the machine=20= refuses to place that contiguously above the 1664KB so I get 1=2E6MB=20= instead of 17=2E6! Why would this be? I know I'm asking the machine to do an unusual=20= thing in the first place, but why would the 4MB expansion work, and=20= the 16MB one not? - Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <3712C6F4.1C945379@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:50:06 +0200 From: Jorg Spek To: Bill Morrow , ROBERTO ALFALLA CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Message-Id: <4.1.19990413104735.009bec90@mail.student.utwente.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roberto, I would NEVER EVER run drivespace on one of my drives again! It REALLY slows things down and makes your harddrive less reliabable, especially when you= use high compression and your disc is almost full. Don't do it man, you'll be sorry! Greets, Jorg Spek At 00:24 13-4-99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Drive space, for me, when i used it, on a 760CD long ago, under win95,= worked >flawlessly.. >i just don't like drive compressions apps.. it adds another layer of difficulty >to these things.. :-) > >ROBERTO ALFALLA wrote: > >> Greetings All >> >> Is there anyone out there using Drive Space on their >> Machine? I'm curious as to the performance and or problems with doing= this. >> Also I'm Looking for another HD to replace my original one. I would like= to >> go as far as 3 GB. Anyone have any suggestions? >> I'm also wanting to run Linux As well as Win95 OSr2....Anyone doing this >> here. Please drop me a line. >> >> Many Thanks, >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Roberto > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by= IBM >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will= vary, >Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990413104735.009bec90@mail.student.utwente.nl>; from "Jorg Spek" at Apr 13, 99 10:50 am Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:44:06 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) To: g.a.p.spek@student.utwente.nl (Jorg Spek) CC: penzance@icanect.net, R.ALFALLA@worldnet.att.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive Compression/Osr2/Tp760cd Message-Id: <199904130944.XAA01470@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 > I would NEVER EVER run drivespace on one of my drives again! It REALLY slows > things down and makes your harddrive less reliabable, especially when you use > high compression and your disc is almost full. Don't do it man, you'll be > sorry! I've been using drivespace on all my Windows machines since moving to W95, and before that used superstore on DOS and W31 machines, for several years now, and never had a problem. My benchmarks showed slight slowdowns on older machines (386 and slow 486), and actual speedups on faster machines (486/133 and up). I wouldn't advise it on nearly-full drives (since a fair amount of 'scratch' disk free space is needed by the program), and I've never compressed a whole C: drive, only secondary drives or compartments on the C: drive, as an extra safety precaution. - David R. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:59:19 -0400 From: "Roberto" To: Subject: Coverting From FAT to 32 Message-Id: <001c01be8594$51a0cfa0$96324f0c@thor> Greetings All, I'm interested in converting my existing configuration from FAT to 32. Any suggestions, experiences and or advise? Many Thanks, TP760CD P120 40 MB RAM 1.2 GB HD / Repliport / HP DeskJet 320 /Ext. Avatar Shark 250/ Ext. Jaz Drive 1GB/ Running Win95 OSR2 Sincerely, Roberto ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:32:10 +0200 From: Jorg Spek To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: [TP600] Direct3D Message-Id: <4.1.19990413123050.0094aea0@mail.student.utwente.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The specs for the ThinkPad 600 say, that the neomagic video controller supports direct3D. I can't seem to get it to work though. Any suggestions? Greets, Jorg 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:14:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Power Adapters: 600 for a 770? Message-Id: <37133524.28DC9FE1@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 YES... Rob Bell wrote: > Can a power adapter for a TP600 work for a TP770? I seem to remember someone > on the list mentioning that they are interchangable. > > Thanks, > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <199904122140.RAA09956@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:48:27 -0100 From: "turgut kalfaoglu" Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Jamee Wang" Subject: Re: Piracy Message-Id: <199904131250.QAA04084@home.egenet.com.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT), Jamee Wang wrote: >I think they would probably grab new/upgraded software from >their network directory when setting up new machines. Or, more like, they take something from the Open Source, change it a bit, recompile it, and sell it :) -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 02E: Deluxe Error. Please Send $75 to Upgrade Your Error ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:50:57 -0100 From: "turgut kalfaoglu" Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? Message-Id: <199904131253.QAA06436@home.egenet.com.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU ( P233 -> PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d hardware acceleration? My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( Thanks, -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:58:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? Message-Id: <37134D86.11973AE1@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 no turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU ( P233 -> > PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d hardware acceleration? > > My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( > > Thanks, -turgut > -- > turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. > Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr > http://bbsturk.bbs.tr -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <37134D86.11973AE1@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:05:06 +0200 From: Jorg Spek To: Bill Morrow , turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Is it possible to upgrade a TP600? Message-Id: <4.1.19990413160244.009c2360@mail.student.utwente.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think a general tip is: Read IBM's website. They have a VERY extensive support section on their website. For the 600: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3Dbrand&brand=3DIBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+6= 00%7 C2645 Check it out! For instance: When you check the specs of the 600, you'll see that it says that the= processor is non-upgradable. Greets, Jorg At 09:58 13-4-99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >no > >turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone was offering upgrades for TP600 in terms of CPU= =20 >( P233 -> >> PII) and/or the built-in graphic card, to something that offers 3d=20 >hardware acceleration? >> >> My model is getting pretty sluggish for the current slew of games :( >> >> Thanks, -turgut >> -- >> turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP=20 >signature. >> Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr >> http://bbsturk.bbs.tr > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by= IBM >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will=20 >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact -------------------------------- --99041312150224197-- End of thinkpad Digest From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 21:03:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20996 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02043; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:01:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01931; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01902; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA04224 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:00:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny8-08.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.168) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004133; Tue Apr 13 20:00:17 1999 Message-ID: <3713E7A1.4A12@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:56:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED keyboard replacement References: <19990413215026.HGUI28561@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 760ED keyboard needs to be replaced. I got the keyboard. It seems easy enough, however how do I do this? Any sites with instructions? harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 21:48:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21341 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03981; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03869; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03855; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904140145.VAA03855@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 12 Apr 1989 18:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:45:00 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Sticker residue - how to remove it List-Unsubscribe: I have two garbage cans in my office. The "Intel Inside" sticker is on one, and the "Designed for Windows 95" sticker is on the other :). On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:24:20 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >No, he meant it was a warning there was Windows loaded. (Or >hardware from that other champion of anti-trust actions). ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 22:13:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21518 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05662; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:11:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05566; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05550; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.76.173]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990414021101.TIE9622@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:11:01 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990413230956.009712d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:09:56 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760ED keyboard replacement In-Reply-To: <3713E7A1.4A12@ix.netcom.com> References: <19990413215026.HGUI28561@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:56 PM 4/13/99 -0400, hbarnes@ix.netcom.com wrote: >My 760ED keyboard needs to be replaced. I got the keyboard. It seems >easy enough, however how do I do this? Any sites with instructions? > Hardware service manual is here -> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html#mobile From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 23:22:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22094 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09067; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08909; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08895; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kagjp.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.66.121]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06110; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b001be8625$8dfe0760$794245cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Kevin Toner" , References: Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:19:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Kevin, I haven't had to use the restore CD yet, but would it be possible to read it on a desktop if you knew what you were looking for? I think I read here from someone who owned an ISP that the problem with the IBM "Win" modems (and some Lucent modems) can be solved at the ISP if they were willing to pay to upgrade their equipment. Since IBM most know this, I'm surprises they haven't release multiple drivers depending on the ISP's equipment. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Toner To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Slower Modem Connects After Upgrade -Reply Chuck, Sorry, I can't seem to go back to the way things were, and I don't have a modem driver that works like before. You would think the IBM restore CD would help on this, but it will put my entire computer back into a Win95 environment after I've spent many hours setting up a pristine version of Win98. I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about adding a 56k modem card and trying to disable the built-in modem. Kevin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 13 23:39:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22294 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10120; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:37:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10030; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10017; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id uJXYa27509; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47a69bca.24456646@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:32:22 EDT Subject: Re:....RE:.....Re: Piracy blah...blah...I just dump this mail To: CABIN_Group@fever0.demon.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Reply-To: AlanCDane@aol.com List-Unsubscribe: sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I can't believe how much we are obsessed with defining what terms are and how we can best impose what those values are to others.... I appreciate that when anyone responds to the "Piracy" subject, that is the list of mail that gets thrown right into the trash! I read two of the posts and it was sickening....so here's my two cents...how we can get back to the business of enjoying each others valuable and valued feedback...... Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 01:35:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23381 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14767; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:33:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14610; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (root@wichita.gate.net [198.206.134.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14597; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-82.gate.net [199.227.173.82]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA344486; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37142895.5F412C10@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:33:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: r.alfalla@att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory Upgrade 760 CD References: <19990413215026.HGUI28561@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ask critical what brand..??!!! what warranty.. 1 year or lifetime.. the 760C series had a problem with two 32meg parts in the DIMM carrier.. IBM replaced most/many of these under warranty.. depending upon which DIMM carrier you have you CAN use two 32meg parts or you can not.. also note that there is a video driver problem when using two 32meg parts in a 760C series machine.. all in all, just replace one 16meg with a 32meg.. you'll wind up with 56megs and IMO that should do.. r.alfalla@att.net wrote: > Greetings All > > I know many on this list have seen similar > questions from me regardings this. Please bare with me > I'm kinda a nubie working on my machine. I appreciate > eveyones help and patience. > > I believe i have a carrier board with 2/ 16MB edo > I want yo use to 32 MB edo/ Cricial has them for 77.00 a > piece... propritary. what does that mean is it the same > as my ED0 memory... > > Any comments would be welcome!! > Thanks > > Roberto -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 11:44:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27658 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19947; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:39:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19606; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (phr@netcom12.netcom.com [192.100.81.124]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19573; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id IAA02164 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199904141539.IAA02164@netcom12.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: apology List-Unsubscribe: I accidentally sent a long message last night about "piracy" that apparently had most of a Thinkpad digest included. After writing the message I decided not to send it (too far from the list topic, needed more research and editing, etc.) and thought I'd exited from the mailer, but apparently it went out anyway. Sorry about that. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 18:21:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02982 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15341; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:16:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15049; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15036; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:16:12 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "doug preddy" , Subject: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 Obviously a small pricing error (grin). But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth a shot . ;-} Have fun ..peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:24:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04015 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18319; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:20:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18184; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18170; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id QAA04204; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: "doug preddy" , Subject: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, Peter! I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out :). --Steve Augart peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP writes: > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:19:16 -0700 > Subject: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 > > > Obviously a small pricing error (grin). > > But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, > for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth > a shot . ;-} > > Have fun > ..peter.. > > -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:26:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04054 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18596; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18496; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18456; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00798 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB List-Unsubscribe: On 14-Apr-99 Steven Augart extemporized: > Thanks, Peter! >=20 > I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out I did too. I also looked all over their site for any suggestion that "pric= es and availability are subject to change without notice", but didn't find any statements to that effect. Guess we'll find out ;) TIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 14-Apr-99 Time: 16:26:33 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:30:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04088 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19041; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18848; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18812; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.24]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990414232641.CBGH16729@770>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:26:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3715243D.6364@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:26:53 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: doug preddy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You forgot to mention that they don't have any in stock. I sell them for $250 when I don't have any! peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 > > Obviously a small pricing error (grin). > > But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, > for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth > a shot . ;-} > > Have fun > ..peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:36:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04149 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18884; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18747; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18730; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.134]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990414232614.BEQV15790@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:26:14 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:25:08 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Steven Augart wrote: >I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > Did you talk to them or order it over the web? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:42:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04203 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20299; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:39:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20194; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20181; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante29.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante29.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.103]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id QAA26020; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante29.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id QAA55110; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:39:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Steven Augart cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: So did I. I ordered over the web and have my order number and receipt over e-mail. I hope I get it. Thank you Peter! Matthew On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Steven Augart wrote: > Thanks, Peter! > > I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > :). > > --Steve Augart > > peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP writes: > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:19:16 -0700 > > Subject: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 > > > > > > Obviously a small pricing error (grin). > > > > But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, > > for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth > > a shot . ;-} > > > > Have fun > > ..peter.. > > > > > -- > Steven Augart > Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute > University of Southern California > 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A > +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:55:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04455 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21257; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:52:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21109; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21096; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id QAA06473; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904142352.QAA06473@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: Web. Got an order # and a receipt. --swa Jane Loyless writes: > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:25:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > At 04:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Steven Augart wrote: > > >I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > > > > Did you talk to them or order it over the web? -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 19:56:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04538 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20984; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:50:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20880; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (IDENT:root@bigun.c-gate.net [207.120.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20858; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (root@pm1wayne1-29.c-gate.net [198.79.69.162]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14133 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:48:27 -0500 Sender: root@bigun.c-gate.net Message-ID: <3710E77F.4D2C4166@netpathway.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:18:39 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, I bit and ordered it too! Hey, you never know-they just might honor it! If not, well that's fine too. Eric Giles  > > > > peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP writes: > > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:19:16 -0700 > > > Subject: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > > > http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 > > > > > > > > > Obviously a small pricing error (grin). > > > > > > But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, > > > for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth > > > a shot . ;-} > > > > > > Have fun > > > ..peter.. > > > > > > > > -- > > Steven Augart > > Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute > > University of Southern California > > 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A > > +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 20:24:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05192 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23263; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:20:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23018; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23005; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id RAA12495 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3715312F.AF542DA7@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:22:07 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <199904142352.QAA06473@tnt.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, since we're all jumping on the bandwagon, I got on too and ordered one . Steven Augart wrote: > > Web. Got an order # and a receipt. --swa > > Jane Loyless writes: > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:25:08 -0400 > > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > At 04:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Steven Augart wrote: > > > > >I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > > > > > > > Did you talk to them or order it over the web? > -- > Steven Augart > Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute > University of Southern California > 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A > +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 20:24:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05200 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23471; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:21:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23185; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (iscorp@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23168; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iscorp@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/SAS.05) id UAA01487 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee) Message-Id: <199904150021.UAA01487@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: AccessMicro's Thinkpad 560 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:21:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just called their company and customer service said it was a price error. (not even available). *sigh* I want one too! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 20:44:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05578 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24942; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24842; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24828; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vanderbilt.edu (A163024.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.163.24]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/VU-3.0.2) with ESMTP id TAA04027; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:42:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3713CF2A.F9A7E2A0@vanderbilt.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:11:39 +0800 From: Ruby Lestari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,id,zh,ja,ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wow.... I'm impressed for whoever who finds this site. It really rocks....!! I ordered one too. I guess if we don't get it, we can get a little bit serious. Coz u now good thing never comes twice. Good job.... Peace Jane Loyless wrote: > At 04:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Steven Augart wrote: > > >I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > > > > Did you talk to them or order it over the web? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 20:47:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05623 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25171; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:45:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25067; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25053; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-021-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.85]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20675; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37153617.29649CD7@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:43:03 -0600 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@cia-g.com Organization: Picture Rock Ologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 - oops References: <199904120033.UAA01489@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> <37114CB9.F6120B5F@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, the reason is simple... IBM lost a battle, and the war with Microsoft... and for a time could not do more... They were battling over agreements that had to do with splitting up Windows 95 vs OS2, etc... thus the IBM DOS 7.00 and the other things... they later negotiated some changes.. I have a letter from IBM stating that was the reason we could not convert our 250 Thinkpads at the time we wanted to change to larger hard drives... At that time, they would not even provide the CD-ROM they later came up with... they did not have an agreement with Microsoft... and the only way to get Windows 95 and all the other items at the time was to download them to some 30+ floppy diskettes. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 20:49:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05647 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25431; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:47:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25336; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (home.brightware.com [206.156.118.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25322; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04736; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005a01be86d9$6d2fd8b0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Benjamin Koh" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <199904142352.QAA06473@tnt.isi.edu> <3715312F.AF542DA7@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:46:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I ordered one as well. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 21:07:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05820 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27018; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:05:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26818; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26777; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (slip-32-100-103-80.ct.us.ibm.net [32.100.103.80]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA41620 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:05:33 GMT Message-ID: <37153B66.5926@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:05:42 -0400 From: "Curtis B. Wayne" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 21:08:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA05830 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26875; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:04:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26631; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26618; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id SAA10952; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150104.SAA10952@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad: check serial # with IBM; escrow service X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: I've found a classified ad on the net, and contacted the owners, about aused TP 600 that I think will meet my wife's consulting business's needs. I've heard that there's a service where I can check the serial # with IBM to see how much of the warranty is left and to make sure it hasn't been reported stolen. Anyone know how I can contact IBM to use this service? Also, I was wondering if anyone here has had experience with one or another of the escrow services that operate for Internet transactions. I found four listed on Yahoo: TradeSafe, iEscrow, SecureTrade, and Internet Clearing Corp. The rates are similar, although Internet Clearing Corp. offers a $35 discount for the first transaction, which seems attractive. By the way, the TP 600 I'm considering has these stats (I found a classified ad on the net): TP 600, PII/233 MMX, 13.3" TFT, 3.2G/32MB, 6 months old, $1400. The runners-up were: TP 600, PII/300 MMX, 13.3" TFT, 3.2G/32MB, 6 months old, $2000. TP 600, PII/266, 13.3" TFT, 4.0G/64MB, 2 weeks old, $1975. If anyone knows of anything better, please do let me know that too. -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 21:41:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06415 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28927; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28809; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ncal.verio.com (smtp1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28796; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (mcq@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by smtp1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10421 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mcq@localhost) by shell1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16393 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904150137.SAA16393@shell1.ncal.verio.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: AMD in ThinkPads From: mcq@bobcat.org (Rebecca G. McQuitty) List-Unsubscribe: IBM will be putting AMD CPUs in TPs in Japan. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,35134,00.html Cheers, Rebecca G. McQuitty From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 14 22:53:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07277 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01796; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01632; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01607; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.169]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990415024930.FEXI15790@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:49:30 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990414234826.00bfd6e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:48:26 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=113509 > >Obviously a small pricing error (grin). > >But given the fact that www.buy.com did honor some of the initial orders, > for their hitachi 19" monitor for $165 pricing snafu it might be worth >a shot . ;-} > I think they've discovered their mistake - getting document contains no data on the link now! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 01:40:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09061 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07328; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:38:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07194; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07157; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02073 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:38:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from stgeorge.frontiercorp.com(206.165.0.253), claiming to be "708-6.west.frontiercorp.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd002057; Wed Apr 14 22:38:00 1999 Message-Id: <4.2.0.32.19990414223411.01296ef0@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: cgruttke@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.32 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:37:55 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Gruttke Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990414234826.00bfd6e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I found this on the "graphics version" of their web site. But there is no link on the "text version" of the site to bring up this page. Hope they honor the two I ordered. http://www.accessmicro.com/Doc/Pricing.php3 Pricing and Availability Our prices We consistently offer the lowest price possible to our customer. Our pricing are updated daily, so all 35,000 products are inline with latest market price. Some store, local or mail order, will attempt to lure you in with few extra low pricing specials, and then make high margin on other products. So if you are looking for a service that promise to bring LOW prices to EVERY product that you are looking for, Access Micro Online is the place to go. When we charge your card We won't charge your credit card until we ship your order. However, for products with short ETA (estimated time of arrival) notice, charge could occur 2 to 3 days prior to ship out date. What we do about mispricings Mis-pricing does occur despite our best effort. Due to over 35,000 products listing, mistake does happen. If an item's correct price is lower than our stated price, we charge the lower amount and ship you the item. If an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we contact you for instructions before shipping. Chris Gruttke Level 2 Tech Support Frontier GlobalCenter cgruttke@globalcenter.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 01:55:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09162 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08001; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07900; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07885; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (142.90.100.87) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:54:23 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: , "Chris Gruttke" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8704$1b084ba0$59645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: What Chris .......you Only ordered two ? (grin) ..peter waiting for his "three" ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Chris Gruttke To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 4:38 AM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB >I found this on the "graphics version" of their web site. But there is no >link on the "text version" of the site to bring up this page. Hope they >honor the two I ordered. > >http://www.accessmicro.com/Doc/Pricing.php3 > >Pricing and Availability >Our prices > >We consistently offer the lowest price possible to our customer. Our >pricing are updated daily, so all 35,000 products are inline with latest >market price. Some store, local or mail order, will attempt to lure you in >with few extra low pricing specials, and then make high margin on other >products. So if you are looking for a service that promise to bring LOW >prices to EVERY product that you are looking for, Access Micro Online is >the place to go. > >When we charge your card > >We won't charge your credit card until we ship your order. However, for >products with short ETA (estimated time of arrival) notice, charge could >occur 2 to 3 days prior to ship out date. > >What we do about mispricings > >Mis-pricing does occur despite our best effort. Due to over 35,000 products >listing, mistake does happen. > >If an item's correct price is lower than our stated price, we charge the >lower amount and ship you the item. > >If an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we contact you >for instructions before shipping. > > > > > > > >Chris Gruttke >Level 2 Tech Support >Frontier GlobalCenter >cgruttke@globalcenter.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 02:15:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09414 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09020; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08921; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08907; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CC472320A ([24.0.215.114]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990415061334.KMPS283.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@CC472320A> for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:13:34 -0700 From: "Mesh" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:17:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000401be8707$ac191b80$72d70018@bnapk1.occa.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 02:25:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09473 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09649; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:22:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09556; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09540; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (pp110-78.bctel.ca [209.52.110.78]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA12148 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:22:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mb3.mailbank.com: Host pp110-78.bctel.ca [209.52.110.78] claimed to be thinkpad Message-ID: <002901be8708$68bc1f80$0200005a@thinkpad> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" References: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> <199904142319.QAA04204@tnt.isi.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990414202508.00bdb800@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <199904142352.QAA06473@tnt.isi.edu> <3715312F.AF542DA7@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:22:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hilarious - I ordered 6, got a confirmation and all the info, now their link is down David ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Koh Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > Well, since we're all jumping on the bandwagon, I got on too and ordered > one . > > Steven Augart wrote: > > > > Web. Got an order # and a receipt. --swa > > > > Jane Loyless writes: > > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:25:08 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > > > At 04:19 PM 4/14/99 -0700, Steven Augart wrote: > > > > > > >I went ahead and ordered one. I'll let you all know how it worked out > > > > > > > > > > Did you talk to them or order it over the web? > > -- > > Steven Augart > > Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute > > University of Southern California > > 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A > > +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 03:18:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09725 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12119; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:17:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11967; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tagliamento (tagliamento.sci.uniud.it [158.110.43.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11946; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corno by tagliamento (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24764; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:20:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:16:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Brun Nazzareno X-Sender: brun@corno To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 17:02:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18151 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04002; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03773; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03746; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-9.lanthanum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.28.9] helo=edbrown) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XsJg-00045o-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:00:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01be8783$39c61160$091c883e@edbrown> From: "Ed Brown" To: Subject: HELP!!!! Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:02:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE878B.9A658160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE878B.9A658160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am the owner of a not so happy 750cs, not 5 minutes ago a disk got = jammed in the drive. I managed to retrieve the disk by disassembling = the drive (before anyone mentions anything, I'm an electronics engineer, = used all the proper tools etc...) Unfortunately, when I removed the = disk I found that the top head had shattered. Ooops.=20 Has anyone got a spare floppy for this machine that they would be = willing to let me buy (nice 'n' cheap please...) as I really need this = machine running asap. =20 I'm in the UK. HELP please!!! Ed... ed@silvermoon.freeserve.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE878B.9A658160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am the owner of a not so happy = 750cs, not 5=20 minutes ago a disk got jammed in the drive.  I managed to retrieve = the disk=20 by disassembling the drive (before anyone mentions anything, I'm an = electronics=20 engineer, used all the proper tools etc...)  Unfortunately, when I = removed=20 the disk I found that the top head had shattered. =20 Ooops. 
 
Has anyone got a spare floppy for = this machine=20 that they would be willing to let me buy (nice 'n' cheap please...) as I = really=20 need this machine running asap. 
 
I'm in the UK.
 
HELP please!!!
 
 
Ed...
ed@silvermoon.freeserve.co.= uk
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE878B.9A658160-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 15 17:06:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18190 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04456; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:04:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04321; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04302; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-109.name47.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.183.109] helo=edbrown) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10XsOh-0005Lb-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:06:04 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01be8783$f3129760$091c883e@edbrown> From: "Ed Brown" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Floppy drive for 750cs Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I should really give the part numbers I suppose... FRU P/N 66G5060 ASM P/N 66G0006 It's also got 66G3770 written on it. Sorry for the double message. I'll think before I send next time....?! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 02:32:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24261 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26494; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:29:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26239; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26218; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante32.u.washington.edu (williams@dante32.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.106]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA40874 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:29:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante32.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA24422 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:29:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dial Up Networking Help In-Reply-To: <000f01be8783$39c61160$091c883e@edbrown> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just installed IE 5.0 on my 770ED and now I can use Dial-up Networking. I get corrupted registry message. Any suggestions? I tried ConfigSave Restore (for all changes). But that made it even worse. Now I'm here using Hyperterminal. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 02:41:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24351 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26978; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:40:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26844; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (garnet.sover.net [209.198.87.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26823; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a314.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.188]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA07500 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904160640.CAA07500@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a314.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.188] 209.198.81.188 Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:31:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600e Config.sys file X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Could someone pease e-mail a copy of the Win98 config.sys file for the TP 600E. --I was editing the OS2 config.sys and saved it to wrong partition. Okay, I shouldn't be playing when I'm tired, but... I did. And there is a 10 year old who wants to play a W98 game after school tomorrow and copying the file is easier then reloading everything. Thanks in advance. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 02:44:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24387 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27315; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:43:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27176; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27081; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA12596 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416024604.0161e888@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:46:04 -0400 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: FS: 14.1gig f/ TP 770 series (Qty2) In-Reply-To: <01be86c4$d525f860$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have two of these pulled NEW from two new 770z's. We replaced them with extra 8.1gig assemblies we have (which are more than adequare for our needs). These drives list for $1399.00 from IBM, and sell for ~$1300.00-1400.00 depending on vendor. I'll let these brand new units (never used) go for $1000.00/ea shipped UPS to your door. Buy one or both. Save $300-400! Part# 02K0526 http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=02K0526&cntry=8 40&lang=en_US ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 03:10:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA24511 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28691; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28525; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (root@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28456; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigman (crh4210.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.197.99]) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA24554; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:09:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01be87d7$ae70d0a0$63c57e82@bigman> From: "George Neurauter" To: "J. Williams" , References: Subject: Re: Dial Up Networking Help Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:06:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Williams To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 1:29 AM Subject: Dial Up Networking Help > Hi, I just installed IE 5.0 on my 770ED and now I can use Dial-up > Networking. I get corrupted registry message. Any suggestions? I tried > ConfigSave Restore (for all changes). But that made it even worse. > > Now I'm here using Hyperterminal. > > John Just a thought, but try the System File Checker to see if it solves to registry problem or fixes anything else that might have gone bad. George Neurauter neurautr@uiuc.edu TP i1410, 96MB RAM From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 08:28:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA26647 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15954; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15770; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webserv.advnet.net (root@webserv.advnet.net [206.137.188.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15750; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thefamil (modem369.advnet.net [216.115.71.25]) by webserv.advnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10559 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001be8804$13d622c0$194773d8@thefamil> From: "Andrea" To: Subject: 1451i Shocks Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:24:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have the Thinkpad 1451i and I need some suggestions. When I am using it on my lap....if I move around I get a shock out of the side of it and then it will only boot into safe mode. Does anyone know what this may be? Best Buy told me just to run the Recovery Disc and if that helps then its software. And if it doesn't it's hardware and they need to look at it. It restored it, but will this happen time and time again? I don't trust them, so ANY help would be appreciated! ~Andrea From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 09:33:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27396 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19511; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:31:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19225; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19204; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id oBRBa09989 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:48 EDT Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: JES770@aol.com List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 10:00:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA27759 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21165; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20821; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (IDENT:steven@samsara.csustan.edu [130.17.4.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20806; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03273; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:00:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: JES770@aol.com Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: On 16-Apr-99 JES770@aol.com extemporized: > Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? nada ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 16-Apr-99 Time: 07:00:15 ---------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 10:33:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28123 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23731; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23504; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23471; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 1ROFa00663; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95e29fbe.2448a32f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:03 EDT Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB To: steven@panoptic.csustan.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: JES770@aol.com List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 4/16/99 10:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steven@panoptic.csustan.edu writes: > On 16-Apr-99 JES770@aol.com extemporized: > > Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? > > nada > ---------------------------------- > Steven Filling > E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu > Date: 16-Apr-99 Time: 07:00:15 I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 10:39:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28204 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23941; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23797; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (iscorp@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23777; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iscorp@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/SAS.05) id KAA00644 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu (Jamee) Message-Id: <199904161432.KAA00644@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: [General] folding hinge To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone feel their thinkpad is getting harder to fold open or close? How does one put some oil lubricant on the LCD's hinge? Thanks, Jamee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 11:12:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28656 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26611; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:10:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26425; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26409; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA17762; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990416100954.007b4670@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:09:54 -0500 To: "Andrea" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: 1451i Shocks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001001be8804$13d622c0$194773d8@thefamil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 08:24 AM 4/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >on my lap....if I move around I get a shock out of the side of it That sounds pretty nasty! >Best Buy told me just to run the Recovery Disc and if that helps >then its software. And if it doesn't it's hardware and they need >to look at it. If a piece of equipment is giving you an electrical shock, it's hardware. Anyone who thinks otherwise has spent too much time watching "Logan's Run" and "Star Trek", and I would be very hesitant to have such persons "look at it". >I don't trust them You sound very wise. You should call IBM at the support number provided with your machine. You need to get it somewhere it can be fixed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNxdSpm8pw+2/9pUJEQJq+ACguGy/4ULOYwOiAjWz8WhZVxHQU+YAoOEb uh5fqiQCQSGm2kUTKOPk/Meh =w/86 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 11:44:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28945 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28873; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28733; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28711; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA16234; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:40:42 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04088; Fri, 16 Apr 99 16:35:29 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:43:15 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP755C] Memory Problem - I feel a bit silly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: I reconnected the motherboard memory and re-checked what it reported=20= on its own, 3712KB, is in fact normal=2E It turns out that it's the DIMM=20= memory expansion that was giving the problem all along=2E My old 4MB=20= card works fine, but the 16MB DIMM does not=2E I've reflowed the chips=20= on the DIMM card and some of those on the DIMM expander to no avail=2E Are there any config issues that may cause the DIMM to go wrong (e=2Eg=2E=20= parity)? By the way, when it's installed the motherboard sees the full=20= 20MB installed, but only 3=2E7MB is 'usuable'=2E - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 12:35:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01927 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03605; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:33:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03388; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03373; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17625 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:33:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0362.uhc.com [168.183.197.86]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17615 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:33:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416133155.00c436c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:31:55 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 1451i Shocks In-Reply-To: <001001be8804$13d622c0$194773d8@thefamil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:24 AM 4/16/99 -0400, Andrea wrote: > I have the Thinkpad 1451i and I need some suggestions. When I am using it >on my lap....if I move around I get a shock out of the side of it and then >it will only boot into safe mode. Does anyone know what this may be? Best >Buy told me just to run the Recovery Disc and if that helps then its >software. And if it doesn't it's hardware and they need to look at it. It >restored it, but will this happen time and time again? >I don't trust them, so ANY help would be appreciated! > Sounds like a hardware problem to me. Call 800.772.2227 and have it serviced. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 15:10:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05616 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16209; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:09:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15925; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15908; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:08:53 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.242]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990416190843.IXNL3822@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:08:43 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416160738.00ba9100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:07:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <95e29fbe.2448a32f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:29 AM 4/16/99 EDT, JES770@aol.com wrote: >I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank >and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. > My understanding was that they didn't have them in stock and didn't expect them until 4/22. I would be very surprised (and Not Happy) if a charge to my credit card had shown up already while the status page still had no shipped date on it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 15:13:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05838 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16489; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16334; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16313; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:01 -0400 Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu (tarski [128.171.50.25]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22048; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:11:56 -1000 (HST) Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06781; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:14:16 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199904161914.JAA06781@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Dial Up Networking Help To: williams@u.washington.edu (J. Williams) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 9:14:16 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "J. Williams" at Apr 15, 99 11:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] List-Unsubscribe: You could try reinstalling DUN - look for the latest version (MSDUN 1.3) at your favorite website (or if that fails, at the MS web site). - David > Hi, I just installed IE 5.0 on my 770ED and now I can use Dial-up > Networking. I get corrupted registry message. Any suggestions? I tried > ConfigSave Restore (for all changes). But that made it even worse. > > Now I'm here using Hyperterminal. > > John > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 15:58:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07502 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19739; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19602; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19566; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-227-094.usc.edu [128.125.227.94]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA01072; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990416125531.00ae85d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:56:00 -0700 To: Jane Loyless , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990416160738.00ba9100@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <95e29fbe.2448a32f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:07 PM 4/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:29 AM 4/16/99 EDT, JES770@aol.com wrote: > >>I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank >>and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. >> > >My understanding was that they didn't have them in stock and didn't expect >them until 4/22. I would be very surprised (and Not Happy) if a charge to >my credit card had shown up already while the status page still had no >shipped date on it. I'm just interested to see if anyone gets one at *all*, given the obvious price mistake. Please keep us informed. :-) - Randy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 16:08:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07637 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20679; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:06:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20555; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20538; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:06:43 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10472; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199904162005.QAA10472@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990416125531.00ae85d0@rcf.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Apr 16, 99 12:56:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > At 04:07 PM 4/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > >At 10:29 AM 4/16/99 EDT, JES770@aol.com wrote: > > > >>I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank > >>and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. > >> > > > >My understanding was that they didn't have them in stock and didn't expect > >them until 4/22. I would be very surprised (and Not Happy) if a charge to > >my credit card had shown up already while the status page still had no > >shipped date on it. > > I'm just interested to see if anyone gets one at *all*, given the obvious > price mistake. Alas, I just got a polite mail message informing me that my order could not be processed because of a "typographical error on the product", and referring me to their policy web page. Looks like the dream is over for me, anyway :-) tim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 17:09:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08870 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25333; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:07:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25159; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25143; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:07:40 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfhvt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.199.253]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24742 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990416180634.00afada0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:06:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990416125531.00ae85d0@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990416160738.00ba9100@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <95e29fbe.2448a32f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:56 PM 4/16/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Please keep us informed. :-) > This just in: Dear Customer: We are unable to process your order due to a typographical error on the product. Every effort has been made to prevent such mistakes. However due to the large quantity of inventoried items we offer, such errors do occur. Your order will be canceled and nothing will be charged. We apologize for the inconvenience this error has caused you. For further information please visit http://www.accessmicro.com/Doc/dis.php3 . Please contact us should you have any further questions. Customer Service ----------------------------------------------------------------- PHONE NUMBER: 1-800-906-6868 and 949-851-8128 FAX NUMBER: 949-851-1012 WEB SITE: www.accessmicro.com. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 19:03:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10745 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02445; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02338; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02282; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4 -> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:02:06 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04265 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chf-il5-209.ix.netcom.com(207.220.181.209) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004175; Fri Apr 16 18:01:20 1999 Message-ID: <3717C197.97CB4F15@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:02:47 -0500 From: Cal Kutemeier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------757939A656560D98922AAB7B" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------757939A656560D98922AAB7B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my 3 TP's and they honored the $313.95 per unit price. Who would like to buy 2 of these? --------------757939A656560D98922AAB7B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ixmail1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id HAA27524; ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23599; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23504; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23471; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:31:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES770@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id 1ROFa00663; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95e29fbe.2448a32f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:03 EDT Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB To: steven@panoptic.csustan.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: JES770@aol.com List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 4/16/99 10:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steven@panoptic.csustan.edu writes: > On 16-Apr-99 JES770@aol.com extemporized: > > Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? > > nada > ---------------------------------- > Steven Filling > E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu > Date: 16-Apr-99 Time: 07:00:15 I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. John --------------757939A656560D98922AAB7B-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 19:23:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10959 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04092; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03935; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03917; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:45 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.171]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990416232141.ERK23911@770>; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3717C612.7D46@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:21:54 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cal Kutemeier CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB] References: <3717C197.97CB4F15@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Cal Kutemeier wrote: > > I received my 3 TP's and they honored the $313.95 per unit price. > > Who would like to buy 2 of these? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:03 EDT > From: > To: steven@panoptic.csustan.edu > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > In a message dated 4/16/99 10:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > steven@panoptic.csustan.edu writes: > > > On 16-Apr-99 JES770@aol.com extemporized: > > > Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? > > > > nada > > ---------------------------------- > > Steven Filling > > E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu > > Date: 16-Apr-99 Time: 07:00:15 > > I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank > and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. > > John April Fools! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 19:46:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11388 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05405; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05314; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05295; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (129.59.1.212 -> mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:45:21 -0400 Received: from vanderbilt.edu (A163024.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.163.24]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/VU-3.0.2) with ESMTP id SAA20332; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37165CB7.A06290FA@vanderbilt.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:40:08 +0800 From: Ruby Lestari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,id,zh,ja,ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Cal Kutemeier , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB] References: <3717C197.97CB4F15@ix.netcom.com> <3717C612.7D46@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi guys, I'm wondering how come Mr. Cal Kutemeier here gets what he ordered and all we got is a little note saying "We're sorry that we are unable to process your order due to typographical error."....??? Hmmm..... lruby Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Cal Kutemeier wrote: > > > > I received my 3 TP's and they honored the $313.95 per unit price. > > > > Who would like to buy 2 of these? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:03 EDT > > From: > > To: steven@panoptic.csustan.edu > > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > In a message dated 4/16/99 10:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > steven@panoptic.csustan.edu writes: > > > > > On 16-Apr-99 JES770@aol.com extemporized: > > > > Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? > > > > > > nada > > > ---------------------------------- > > > Steven Filling > > > E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu > > > Date: 16-Apr-99 Time: 07:00:15 > > > > I haven't either. Checked with my credit card bank > > and NO charge has been submitted by AccessMicro. > > > > John > April Fools! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 20:51:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12014 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08116; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07881; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07868; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tswpb1a-245.gate.net [207.36.131.245]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA92386 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3717D9C3.C89CDB9@gate.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:45:55 -0400 From: Henry Katz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770E Enhanced Video Adapter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If anyone has the Enhanced Video Adapter with the DVD drive, can you tell me what type of headset I can use to plug into the audio jack for Dolby Sound if I want to bypass the TP speakers? Would appreciate email response directly as I had to unsubscribe from list. I'm leaving for Europe this weekend and had to suspend my stateside ISP account until I setupan ISP connection in Europe. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 21:44:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12528 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10338; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10240; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10217; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:43:14 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.159]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990417014309.CBZJ23911@oemcomputer>; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:43:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3717E704.5628@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:42:28 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henry Katz CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770E Enhanced Video Adapter References: <3717D9C3.C89CDB9@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Henry Katz wrote: > > If anyone has the Enhanced Video Adapter with the DVD drive, can you > tell me what type of headset I can use to plug into the audio jack for > Dolby Sound if I want to bypass the TP speakers? Would appreciate email > response directly as I had to unsubscribe from list. I'm leaving for > Europe this weekend and had to suspend my stateside ISP account until I > setupan ISP connection in Europe. Just use a stereo headset. You get Stereo sound. Such as Sony professional MDR-7506 or equal. Just rechecked the Sony. Yes great. Just plug into audio out. The Sony folds up well for travel. Happy Travels. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 22:11:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12730 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11398; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11194; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11181; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:21 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a208.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.208]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20148 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904170209.WAA20148@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a208.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.208] 209.198.80.208 Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:07:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS2 MWave drivers X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone here gotten the MWwave modem to run under OS2 on a TP 600 (probably the 770 too)? --I tired of working at this and want to know if its hopless. Thanks for the response. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 22:48:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13036 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12711; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:47:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12629; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chapala.lagunanet.net.mx (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12613; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chapala.lagunanet.net.mx (200.36.38.5) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:46:56 -0400 Received: from JONATHAN ([148.245.93.110] (may be forged)) by chapala.lagunanet.net.mx (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00967; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:42:21 +0100 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: iscorp@sas.upenn.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [General] folding hinge Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:39:02 -0500 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199904161432.KAA00644@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> In-Reply-To: <199904161432.KAA00644@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: That happened to my 701 and I continued to use it. Before too long, the hinge bent and the computer became unusable. Fortunately, it was still under warranty. It's your computer, but my advice would be, yes! lubricate. In article <199904161432.KAA00644@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>, you wrote: :Anyone feel their thinkpad is getting harder to fold open or :close? How does one put some oil lubricant on the LCD's hinge? : :Thanks, :Jamee : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 16 23:47:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13555 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14598; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:45:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14456; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.det.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14433; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.det.ameritech.net (206.141.239.206 -> mpdr0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:45:37 -0400 Received: from dyn1-tnt12-136.detroit.mi.ameritech.net ([209.18.31.136]) by mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990417044018.EERG16857@dyn1-tnt12-136.detroit.mi.ameritech.net> for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:40:18 -0500 From: jim_piper@ameritech.net (Jim Piper) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tech Support 365XD Video Problem Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:45:40 GMT Organization: www.pc-remarketing.com Reply-To: jim_piper@ameritech.net Message-ID: <3732ff9a.102517936@mailhost.det.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 365XD (2625-1E9) that on boot gets a garbled display (at post a line of w's scrolls down the left side of the screen then the starting windows 95 text is garbled) and it just gets worse from there after windows starts colored dots just start appearing on the screen and if you move the mouse the trails don't disappear. running the self tests on the system doesn't show any errors.what so ever. suggestions any one? I can't hear any screws rolling around inside From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 02:06:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14701 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18414; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:04:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18270; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18257; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:04:36 -0400 Received: from thor ([12.79.6.160]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990417060433.BOMB18822@thor> for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:04:33 +0000 Message-ID: <003601be8898$745e5ba0$a0064f0c@thor> From: "Roberto" To: Subject: CD KEY Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:06:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All I lost the CD Key to my to one of my Windows 95 Installation disk. Does Anyone know if there is a way to get it or find it? Sincerely, Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 02:24:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14796 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19199; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:23:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19116; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19097; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:23:38 -0400 Received: from clgr000020.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.20]:1790 "EHLO ibm.net") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <13699-18343>; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:23:23 -0600 Message-ID: <371836EB.98FE75AB@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:23:23 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD KEY References: <003601be8898$745e5ba0$a0064f0c@thor> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F8BDEEAB7C1C64DF452DE9D4" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F8BDEEAB7C1C64DF452DE9D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you need to call IBM, prove your ownership to get it. Or Select Start-->Settings-->Control Panel-->System and write it down :=) Geza Roberto wrote: > Greetings All > > I lost the CD Key to my to one of my Windows 95 > Installation disk. Does Anyone know if there is a way to get it or find it? > > Sincerely, > > Roberto -- .................................................................. 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Tel.: (403) 850-4500 Fax: (403) 547-4741 E-mail: Szivos@IBM.net Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com 118 Arbour Summit Close NW #200 Olympic Towers 300 Pearl St. Calgary, Alberta Canada Buffalo NY USA T3G 3W2 14202 ................................................................... --------------F8BDEEAB7C1C64DF452DE9D4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="szivos.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Geza Szivos Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="szivos.vcf" begin:vcard n:Szivos;Geza tel;fax:(403) 547-4741 tel;work:(403) 850-4500 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.sivco.com org:SIVCO Inc. adr:;;118 Arbour Summit Close NW;Calgary;Alberta;T3G 3W2;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:Szivos@ibm.net title:System Analyst/DBA note:Your complete Business Inteligence Solution provider. fn:Geza Szivos end:vcard --------------F8BDEEAB7C1C64DF452DE9D4-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 03:07:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14974 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20721; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:05:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20461; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20445; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:05:31 -0400 Received: from lax.isi.edu (lax.isi.edu [128.9.144.88]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21711; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from swa@localhost) by lax.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id HAA05791; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:05:29 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 07:05:29 GMT Message-Id: <199904170705.HAA05791@lax.isi.edu> From: Steven Augart To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 600, type 2645-A1U List-Unsubscribe: I'm considering bidding on a Thinkpad 600, type 2645-A1U. This type does not have the CD-ROM drive nor the hard disk drive. Anybody have a good source for these items and some idea of what I might pay for them? (Obviously, I want them if I'm going to get the computer :)) Thanks, --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 05:42:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15750 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02277; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:40:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02182; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02160; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:40:39 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA24136 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199904170940.CAA24136@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 99 02:43:08 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:29:48 EDT, JES770@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone heard from AccessMicro concerning your order? Not to jinx anyone. But I don't think they'd let that many orders get filled at that. But good luck to everyone. If ya get them at that price, good for you! =) I do have a TP question. At my internship site I have to use my TP and lan/modem card to hook up to their network. This is fine (another beautiful justifcation for my laptop). However if I have the TP in hibernation (via windows 95), and install my network/modem card then unhibernate, it says that it found new hardware and tries to install drivers even though it's database should already have record of the card. This is highly annoying since I have to keep my 95 rom with me at all times for I never know when 95 will decided it wants the rom. My question is.... IS THIS NORMAL?!! Robert P.S. Os/2 people, I'm trying to get it's networking features hooked up as a backup to 95 or even as a replacement. Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 05:54:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15818 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02823; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:53:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02696; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02683; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:53:34 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA25087 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199904170953.CAA25087@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 99 02:56:07 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tech Support 365XD Video Problem List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:45:40 GMT, Jim Piper wrote: >I have a 365XD (2625-1E9) Woo! Same model as mine! =) >that on boot gets a garbled display (at post a line of w's scrolls >down the left side of the screen then the starting windows 95 text is >garbled) and it just gets worse from there >after windows starts colored dots just start appearing on the screen >and if you move the mouse the trails don't disappear. >running the self tests on the system doesn't show any errors.what so >ever. >suggestions any one? I can't hear any screws rolling around inside Have you hugged it lately? Told it was a good laptop. A nice laptop. hehehe j/k My only question is does the dots appear when you put the output to an external monitor? Normally I'd say re-install Windows 95, but if your post screen is messed up.... *shrug* I dunno. robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 06:24:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA15922 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03706; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:22:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03580; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03567; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:22:52 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id DAA27436; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37186154.80841B49@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:24:20 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: LAN modem/card problem References: <199904170940.CAA24136@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This may depend on your brand of LAN/modem card. Some are more evil than others at screwing your TP. I run Win95 and have a 3Com 3CCFE575BT in my 560X. I installed the drivers only once. If I remove and reinsert it, it just beeps and logs back onto the network immediately. I've never installed it while it was in hibernation; I just stick it in while the TP is running. Two seconds later I'm on the network. If I suspend or hibernate I just leave the card inside; it logs off and powers down together with the system. Upon resuming it takes maybe 5 seconds longer than if there was no network card, but otherwise it's fine. Ditto for unhibernation. Try either leaving the card inside while it's in hibernation or inserting it when the TP is running. Also, when you remove the card, do you do anything other than click on the icon in the taskbar and select "Stop xxxx card?" That's all you need to do to power down the card for ejection. If you do anything else, like deleting the adapter from Control Panel, you may be removing the drivers as well, forcing Win95 to ask for the CD-ROM. If all this doesn't fix the problem, extract the appropriate drivers from the CD-ROM and put them in a convenient directory. The next time Win95 asks for the disk, redirect it to the directory with the drivers. Benjamin LightSide wrote: > > I do have a TP question. At my internship site I have to use my TP and lan/modem card to hook up to their > network. This is fine (another beautiful justifcation for my laptop). However if I have the TP in hibernation (via > windows 95), and install my network/modem card then unhibernate, it says that it found new hardware and > tries to install drivers even though it's database should already have record of the card. This is highly > annoying since I have to keep my 95 rom with me at all times for I never know when 95 will decided it wants > the rom. > > My question is.... IS THIS NORMAL?!! > > Robert > > P.S. Os/2 people, I'm trying to get it's networking features hooked up as a backup to 95 or even as a > replacement. > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 09:35:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA16970 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07973; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:32:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07824; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07811; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.251.170 -> f279.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:32:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 39233 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 1999 13:32:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990417133237.39232.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.93.132 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:32:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.93.132] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:32:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: subscribe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 13:57:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19638 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16379; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:56:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16285; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16262; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (209.133.104.8 -> mb3.mailbank.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:56:10 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (pp110-78.bctel.ca [209.52.110.78]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24425; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:56:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mb3.mailbank.com: Host pp110-78.bctel.ca [209.52.110.78] claimed to be thinkpad Message-ID: <003401be88fb$ca36a420$0200005a@thinkpad> From: "David S. Crombie" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <3732ff9a.102517936@mailhost.det.ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Tech Support 365XD Video Problem Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:57:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This seems a little odd. I have a 365XD 2625-4E9 (nearly the same) - Mine had a bad screen months ago (white lines, screen would go blank) and IBM fixed it in a recall. You may want to contact them about it. With the "w's" and the trail it seems more of a software problem to me. What's it like to boot up to dos?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Piper To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Tech Support 365XD Video Problem > I have a 365XD (2625-1E9) > that on boot gets a garbled display (at post a line of w's scrolls > down the left side of the screen then the starting windows 95 text is > garbled) and it just gets worse from there > after windows starts colored dots just start appearing on the screen > and if you move the mouse the trails don't disappear. > running the self tests on the system doesn't show any errors.what so > ever. > suggestions any one? I can't hear any screws rolling around inside From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 17 20:21:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22807 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28313; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:19:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28154; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28125; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:18:41 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-243-184.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.243.184]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA18768 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:18:38 GMT Message-ID: <371924D8.AAEDBDE7@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:18:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 18 21:41:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03766 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26002; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:36:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25844; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25822; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:35:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08505 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:35:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB TP755ce processor card Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have a Thinkpad 755ce that appears to need a new processor card. bios diags sometimes give this error while testing the system board: DEV 007 ERR 06 FRU 1110 When I use the diags floppy the mainboard sometimes passes and sometimes fails, when it does fail it hangs on testing "CO-PROCESSOR" The machine works with dos, won't boot linux or windoze95 According to the Thinkpad service manual I should replace the processor card. So does anyone have one forsale, its the DX4-100 one. If so please let me know, further if anyone has seen this error before and can verify it was the processor card please let me know. thanks very much! Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 08:14:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08077 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21611; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21384; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webserv.advnet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21359; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webserv.advnet.net (206.137.188.130 -> webserv.advnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:12:08 -0400 Received: from thefamil (modem236.advnet.net [206.137.186.99]) by webserv.advnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA03914 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01be8a5d$91829b80$63ba89ce@thefamil> From: "Andrea" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 1451i Shocks Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:10:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE8A3C.0919A8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE8A3C.0919A8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all that relpied. Yes, I phoned IBM and they put a supervisor = on the phone immediately and they are sending Airborn Express this = morning to pick it up. ~Andrea ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE8A3C.0919A8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to all that = relpied. Yes, I=20 phoned IBM and they put a supervisor on the phone immediately and they = are=20 sending Airborn Express this morning to pick it up.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE8A3C.0919A8E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 09:22:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08482 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27159; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26941; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.queensu.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26912; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.queensu.ca (130.15.126.6 -> post.QueensU.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:08 -0400 Received: from arneyp (toll21-ppp30.tele.QueensU.CA [130.15.245.30]) by post.queensu.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA18839 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> X-Sender: pa1@post.queensu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:21:15 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Paul Arney Subject: Recording external audio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Is it possible to record external audio through a condenser mic onto the hard drive on an i-series TP 2611-451? If so how much memory would 1 hour take? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 09:37:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08610 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28193; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:35:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28040; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28021; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de (134.176.2.12 -> merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:35:25 -0400 Received: from caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de by merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de with ESMTP for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:35:07 +0200 Received: from sun16.mni.fh-giessen.de ([134.176.183.116] helo=mni.fh-giessen.de) by caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #15) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 10ZEAB-0002TD-00; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:32:39 +0200 Sender: Thomas.Dickel@mni.fh-giessen.de Message-Id: <371B310B.1792B8CF@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:35:07 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP760XL] XFree86 3.3.1 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, has anyone ever tried to install and run XFree86 3.3.1 on the Thinkpad 760XL? I was warned not to run XFree because it can destroy the LCD display. -- Ciao Thomas --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Dickel - Nelkenweg 8 - 35043 Marburg University of Applied Science Giessen --------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 15:38:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12091 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27083; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:33:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26459; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26445; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (194.213.74.10 -> hromeo.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:33:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 3895 invoked from network); 19 Apr 1999 21:33:38 +0200 Received: from sdu168-76.ppp.algonet.se (HELO helsod) (195.163.76.168) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 21:33:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000901be8a9a$f6364120$a84ca3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: TP760 EL external floppy and 506 the same ?? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:29:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everybody ! Now I have run in to the usual trouble with OS installation on my 760EL, = exactly as with the 755. I'm trying t install Solaris which wants me to boot from the floppy and then insert the CD = and continue the installation. Since the floppy and the CD cant be in the ultra bay at the same time there seem to be no = way to even get started with the installation (so I never get to find out if Solaris accepts my graphics system and = other hardware etc.) Now I saw today that a Thinkapd 560 that we have at work had an external = floppy, and I was wondering whether this=20 is the same modell that will fit my 760EL. Could I borrow it and try = installing with that and the CD both attached or will it fry if I try it in my modell? I would not want that to happen with a = borrowed unit so I tought Id ask before trying. The connector for the floppy on my 760EL must be the one located above = the connector for the docking station at the back of the computer ?? Or = is that one for someting else (MIDI ?). Please also let me know if you can think of any other way to solve the = floppy / CD dilemma for Solaris. Oh, and where could one buy an external floppy for my machine when my = colleges get tired of lending my theirs? Thanks Peter Soderholm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 15:42:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12116 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27818; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27660; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27508; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (194.213.74.10 -> hromeo.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:38:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 6339 invoked from network); 19 Apr 1999 21:38:23 +0200 Received: from sdu168-76.ppp.algonet.se (HELO helsod) (195.163.76.168) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 21:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <001501be8a9b$9fba4020$a84ca3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: X86Config for 760EL anyone ?? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:34:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hello! Does any of you have a working X86Config file for Thinkpad 760EL (or any 760 could possibly also work) If you do please send a copy this way... Thanks Peter Soderholm =20 =20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 16:17:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12422 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00563; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00431; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00411; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:07:03 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfirr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.203.123]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26762 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990419160841.009fa680@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:08:41 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP760 EL external floppy and 506 the same ?? In-Reply-To: <000901be8a9a$f6364120$a84ca3c3@helsod> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:29 PM 4/19/99 +0200, Peter Soderholm wrote: >Now I saw today that a Thinkapd 560 that we have at work had an >external floppy, and I was wondering whether this >is the same modell that will fit my 760EL. Could I borrow it and >try installing with that and the CD both attached or will it fry >if I try it in my modell? I would not want that to happen with a >borrowed unit so I tought Id ask before trying. > The drive itself is the same, but I'm not sure that the connector is. >The connector for the floppy on my 760EL must be the one located above the connector for the docking station at the back of the computer ?? Or is that one for someting else (MIDI ?). > Yes, that's the connector for the floppy drive. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 16:39:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12661 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03583; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:36:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03420; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03392; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:36:27 -0400 Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA20800 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:42:12 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <371B93C6.3244@kenavo.fi> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:36:22 +0300 From: Dominique Pivard Reply-To: domi2@kenavo.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 04 Apr 1999 at 10:10 PM you, John Higgins , said: >fyi, there's sombody on Amazon Auction selling a whole mess of bateeries >for the 701 in a Dutch auction. Can't tell if it's a good deal, but then >I don't own a 701. >http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y03X6114131X6400267/002-8937973-6249402 This is already old news, but I did bid for 3 NiMH batteries at $5 each and guess what, I got them! My trusty 701C and its dead NiCad battery will get a new life. The seller was XtendMicro. Thanks John for the tip! Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 16:43:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12704 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03929; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:39:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03786; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03745; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:38:51 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-114.gate.net [199.227.20.241]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA242462; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <371B9448.F5165025@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:38:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Soderholm CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760 EL external floppy and 506 the same ?? References: <000901be8a9a$f6364120$a84ca3c3@helsod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter.. yes, the floppy is the same, regretably, the cable is NOT the same.. thew 560 cable will work on the 770 (for whatever comfort that gives you)... can you copy all the load files to your hard drive and then load from the HDD with the floppy in the machine.. ?? Peter Soderholm wrote: > Hi Everybody ! > > Now I have run in to the usual trouble with OS installation on my 760EL, exactly as with the 755. I'm trying t install > Solaris which wants me to boot from the floppy and then insert the CD and continue the installation. Since the floppy > and the CD cant be in the ultra bay at the same time there seem to be no way to even get started with the installation > > (so I never get to find out if Solaris accepts my graphics system and other hardware etc.) > > Now I saw today that a Thinkapd 560 that we have at work had an external floppy, and I was wondering whether this > is the same modell that will fit my 760EL. Could I borrow it and try installing with that and the CD both attached or will it fry > if I try it in my modell? I would not want that to happen with a borrowed unit so I tought Id ask before trying. > > The connector for the floppy on my 760EL must be the one located above the connector for the docking station at the back of the computer ?? Or is that one for someting else (MIDI ?). > > Please also let me know if you can think of any other way to solve the floppy / CD dilemma for Solaris. > > Oh, and where could one buy an external floppy for my machine when my colleges get tired of lending my theirs? > > Thanks > Peter Soderholm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 16:59:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12846 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05909; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:57:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05788; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05740; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:56:57 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01363 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01335 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990419165832.00a329e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:58:32 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP760 EL external floppy and 506 the same ?? In-Reply-To: <371B9448.F5165025@icanect.net> References: <000901be8a9a$f6364120$a84ca3c3@helsod> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:38 PM 4/19/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >yes, the floppy is the same, regretably, the cable is NOT the same.. >the 560 cable will work on the 770 (for whatever comfort that gives you)... > Works on the 600 too. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 18:07:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13442 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04661; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04257; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dandy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04242; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dandy.net (206.135.129.10 -> procyon.dandy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03903; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:49:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: Dominique Pivard cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction In-Reply-To: <371B93C6.3244@kenavo.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Dominique Pivard wrote: > This is already old news, but I did bid for 3 NiMH batteries at $5 each > and guess what, I got them! My trusty 701C and its dead NiCad battery > will get a new life. The seller was XtendMicro. Thanks John for the tip! I'll have to try this... everytime I bid on batteries for my 360C on Ebay, a bidding war breaks out and they finally go for $60-$100. *Grumble* ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 18:10:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13478 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09904; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09747; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09733; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:31 -0400 Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:07:23 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Fw: TP770's from USAPC $929 ...NOTE: NO HD ! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:10:57 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8ab1$7fc03520$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've dealt with this company a few times . No problems . The quoted price is a special for previous customers but mention Thinkpad mailing list ...Peter Machule..blah blah ...etc. and it should not be a problem . Their Web price is $999. The HD price is OK..ish Does Bill still have 770 caddies ??? The CDROM price is excellent . Peter Machule PS If you have trouble talking to Rizwan, ask for Sean M. Knight, he runs that show ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Rizwan Alidina To: 'ralidina@usapc.com' Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 4:31 PM Subject: IBM TPs POST-TAX SALE!!!! Hey, BRAND NEW IBM ThinkPad 770 - 954832U @ under $1k 954832U - TP770: Pentium 233 MMX 32MB 256KB L2 Cache Memory 2MB Video SGRAM Memory 16-bit audio Std. Infrared 13.3 TFT Active Screen 16-bit audio Std. Infrared 3D Graphic Support DVD / Multimedia Support 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy Lithium Ion Intelligent Battery 3-year Warranty BRAND NEW FACTORY SEALED For complete specs, please visit: http://www.usapc.com/notebook_accessories/954832u.htm. YOUR PRICE = $929 add a 3.2GB HDD (p/n 00K0381) with Windows 95 for Only $259 add a 20x CD-ROM Drive (p/n 11J8933) for Only $79 Please do not hesitate to contact us at 407-324-2700, Ext. 167 with any questions you may have; or, if you'd prefer, please give us a convenient contact time and number, and we'll contact you. Alternately, please reply via return email. Thanks again, and we look forward to serving you soon! Best Regards, Rizwan Alidina, EXT. 167 E-Commerce Account Manager ACD Corp. / USA Inc. / Cyber Marketing 1201 Cornwall Road Sanford, FL 32773 www.usapc.com Tel: 407-324-2700 x167 Fax: 407-324-3627 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 18:31:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13688 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11516; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11407; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.gte.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11388; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.gte.com (132.197.8.26 -> h132-197-8-26.gte.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:30:17 -0400 Received: from koby (jsokolov.gte.com [132.197.104.3]) by newman.gte.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA00976 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990419173339.03b3df10@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:36:21 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Vibrating 600 - a problem? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My 600 has been vibrating when it wakes up from hibernation or suspend mode. And, it is slow to wake up. Once it wakes up, it is fine. Has anyone experienced this? If so, should I be worried? Depending upon what I hear from the group, I will probably call IBM (or EZ serve). Thanks, Jeff (drop the nospam when responding) ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Service Concept Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (781) 466-4042 (phone) (781) 466-4035 (fax) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 18:47:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13884 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12742; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12614; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12599; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-247.gate.net [207.36.212.247]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA240850; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:46:43 -0400 Message-ID: <371BB212.F661D44E@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:45:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Sokolov CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Vibrating 600 - a problem? References: <4.1.19990419173339.03b3df10@pophost.gte.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff.. VIBRATES..?? could the CD be spinning up with a slightly out of balance CD inserted..?? Jeff Sokolov wrote: > My 600 has been vibrating when it wakes up from hibernation or suspend mode. And, it is slow to wake up. Once it wakes up, it is fine. Has anyone experienced this? If so, should I be worried? Depending upon what I hear from the group, I will probably call IBM (or EZ serve). > > Thanks, > Jeff (drop the nospam when responding) > > ----------------------------------------------- > Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) > Service Concept Design Department > GTE Laboratories Incorporated > 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 > Waltham, MA 02154 > (781) 466-4042 (phone) > (781) 466-4035 (fax) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 19:30:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14280 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15173; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15056; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15040; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:27:25 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27142 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE8A9A.42132460.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Vibrating 600 - a problem? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:24:34 -0500 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, My 600 only vibrates when some CD's are placed in the drive. Depends on the CD tho. Some CDR's will start and stop half dozen times before taking off like a cheap table fan. Mark Jeff Sokolov wrote: > My 600 has been vibrating when it wakes up from hibernation or suspend mode. And, it is slow to wake up. Once it wakes up, it is fine. Has anyone experienced this? If so, should I be worried? Depending upon what I hear from the group, I will probably call IBM (or EZ serve). > > Thanks, > Jeff (drop the nospam when responding) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 19:35:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14330 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15650; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:32:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15500; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparticus.bright.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15475; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparticus.bright.net (205.212.123.5 -> sparticus.bright.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:32:31 -0400 Received: from peach.z.org. (find-cas1-cs-15.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.118]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.3/8.9.3 ComNet Build) with ESMTP id TAA12678; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:32:24 -0400 (EDT) To: Thomas Dickel Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP760XL] XFree86 3.3.1 References: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> <371B310B.1792B8CF@mni.fh-giessen.de> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 19 Apr 1999 19:37:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thomas Dickel's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:35:07 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Thomas Dickel writes: > has anyone ever tried to install and run XFree86 3.3.1 on the > Thinkpad 760XL? Which chipset does it use? Many of the stock XF86 config files work out of the box if you've got the right chipset identified. > I was warned not to run XFree because it can destroy the LCD > display. Sounds like FUD. Did the person have a clue? Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 7:35pm up 44 days, 4:49, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 20:23:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14833 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18187; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18053; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18037; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:33 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:27 -0400 Sender: pgiotta@csi.com Received: from petergio (sfr-qbu-pqg-vty48.as.wcom.net [216.192.20.48]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id UAA16399 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> From: "Peter Giotta" To: "thinkpad listserv" Subject: Unsubscribe! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:20:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE8A88.F2D54100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE8A88.F2D54100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry - didn't realize the volume of email I'd be receiving. I'd like to unsubscribe to this listserv. How do I go about doing that (I lost the original instructions). Thanks. ...........Peter Giotta ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE8A88.F2D54100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE8A88.F2D54100-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 21:36:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA15552 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22013; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:34:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21826; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21790; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> access.crcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:34:30 -0400 X-ROUTED: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:39:40 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 12211d84 ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:39:28 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: "thinkpad listserv" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000201be8acd$0b737f80$28830cce@CRCN.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> List-Unsubscribe: I would also like the subscribe info - which I'm sure is much the same. It would be nice if this list would post a monthly reminder of this process as some lists do - and wish all would. Doesn't see like it should be a biggee. Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: pgiotta@csi.com [mailto:pgiotta@csi.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 5:21 PM To: thinkpad listserv Subject: Unsubscribe! Sorry - didn't realize the volume of email I'd be receiving. I'd like to unsubscribe to this listserv. How do I go about doing that (I lost the original instructions). Thanks. ...........Peter Giotta From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 19 22:13:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15872 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24355; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:06:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24159; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24142; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:05:56 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.196]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990420020553.FPCH27112@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:05:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:07:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <000201be8acd$0b737f80$28830cce@CRCN.NET> References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:28 PM 4/19/99 -0700, Pat Presidente wrote: >I would also like the subscribe info - which I'm sure is much the same. It >would be nice if this list would post a monthly reminder of this process as >some lists do - and wish all would. > This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the header of every note you receive. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 08:08:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19371 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23351; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23040; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23025; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (206.55.3.25 -> relay.mnsinc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:21 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (headsup.c-more.com [206.239.28.8]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA21910; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199904200805440400.02879FB6@relay.monumental.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.13 (3) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:05:44 -0400 From: "C-MORE Systems" To: "Stephen Amadei" , "Dominique Pivard" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: FWIW I received 4. All DOA! Ira ****************************************************************************= ********* >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Dominique Pivard wrote: > >> This is already old news, but I did bid for 3 NiMH batteries at $5 each >> and guess what, I got them! My trusty 701C and its dead NiCad battery >> will get a new life. The seller was XtendMicro. Thanks John for the tip! > >I'll have to try this... everytime I bid on batteries for my 360C on Ebay, >a bidding war breaks out and they finally go for $60-$100. *Grumble* > > ----Steve >Stephen Amadei >Director of MIS >Dandy Connections, Inc. >Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 08:14:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19402 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23901; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:12:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23691; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23678; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:12:16 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-195-169.war.uk.ibm.net [139.92.195.169]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA64898 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:12:10 GMT Message-ID: <371C3949.6FBDFA55@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:22:33 +0100 From: Tony Wright Organization: Equi-Tek CompCon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Uns*bscr*be! References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the > header of every note you receive. Is it? Where? I suspect this might be determined by type of list/digest you get perhaps.... No matter - the pertinent extracts from original subscribe note : > 2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your > address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your > subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the > -REQUEST address next time!) > > The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from > swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq > (URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) > Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. > -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 08:29:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19494 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24754; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24623; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24610; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA11220; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the > header of every note you receive. Not true. Or at least not viewable by my mail reader (Pine). It would be nice to provide the information as the original post suggested. As other lists do. I don't know why it is alway an "issue" on this list? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 09:33:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA19940 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27966; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27734; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27699; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-090-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.170]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24033; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002601be8b31$99ef2e80$aa5242cf@raybay> From: "Jimani" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Not found in my headers... or footers From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 09:49:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20063 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29160; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29014; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29001; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:10 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id JAA11383 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904201346.JAA11383@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:45:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:07:34 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 06:28 PM 4/19/99 -0700, Pat Presidente wrote: > >>I would also like the subscribe info - which I'm sure is much the same. It >>would be nice if this list would post a monthly reminder of this process as >>some lists do - and wish all would. > >This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the >header of every note you receive. Not on messages received here. I try to reply to every unsubscribe request I see on the list. But I agree with you, having unsubscribe information would be very helpful. (Although at least one other list that does it, _still_ gets regular requests, complete with the header!). Since three people posted for the information just now, here's what I forward: ==== Please note the following method for unsubscribing. I think subscribing probably works the same way. The request goes to a different address. andrew ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== New Year Greetings, Ladies and Gents! Looks like it's time for another gentle reminder. I may start posting this monthly. Well, maybe quarterly... If you don't want to receive this list anymore, send a message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu with "unsubscribe" in either the body or the subject (or both, I don't care as long as you say it somewhere.) If your address has changed, I need the address you used when you subscribed to the list. Otherwise, you'll keep getting messages... If you're subscribed to the digest, it's really, really, really helpful if you'd say "unsubscribe digest." Not necessary, but helpful. I don't read the list; I'm the postmaster here and just run the scripts to manipulate the mail list for you, so sending to the list won't get you what you want unless someone gets tired of seeing your posts to the list and forwards it to thinkpad-request. Unfortunately, that could get the forwarder unsubscribed if I don't monitor the scripts while they run. So please, for everyone's sanity (not least mine), send your requests to the thinkpad-request address. Thank you for your time and attention, Judi ---- Judith Theg Talley, System Admin Innovative Computing Labs ICL Help Computer Science Department Postmaster University of Tennessee http://www.cs.utk.edu/~judi/ ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 10:08:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20262 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00793; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00571; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00549; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12404 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Bruce Komar wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the > > header of every note you receive. > > Not true. Or at least not viewable by my mail reader (Pine). It would be > nice to provide the information as the original post suggested. As other > lists do. I don't know why it is alway an "issue" on this list? Hit 'h' for extended headers. The last line says: List-Unsubscribe: Which I believe is HTML-ese, but human-readable. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:01:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20758 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04806; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04639; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04621; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:58:15 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22198 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:58:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22186 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:58:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990420105952.00c04630@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:59:52 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <002601be8b31$99ef2e80$aa5242cf@raybay> References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:27 AM 4/20/99 -0600, Jimani wrote: >Not found in my headers... or footers > Interesting... Here's the header I received from the note you just sent to the list. Please note the last line. Received: from netbox.com ([206.24.105.130]) by mx8.mindspring.com (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id rhp0pq.605.37kbi16 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jloyless@localhost) by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA14756 for jloyless@mindspring.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jloyless) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14751 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27870; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27734; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27699; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-090-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.170]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24033; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002601be8b31$99ef2e80$aa5242cf@raybay> From: "Jimani" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:12:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20804 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06157; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:07:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05946; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05791; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:06:44 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-094-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.174]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17117; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <03b601be8b3e$fa0c5ce0$ae5242cf@raybay> From: "Jimani" To: "John Kim" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:03:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Right, but we aren't supposed to be using html on this list. We have many users who are Linux and many more who are PINE and Pegasus or other university linked users who cannot read html at their sites. It doesn't hurt to publish the subscribe/unsubscribe once in a while. There has certainly been a lot of confusion from users over the past three years. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:13:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20840 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06820; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06423; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06335; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA11446; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990420105952.00c04630@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Yes. You are so right! It's clear as day. I can't imagine why so many people in this list have to ask? How much time is wasted on this subject (in this list), but NOT in other lists? This is the ONLY list that makes an "issue" out of it every time. What a waste! On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 07:27 AM 4/20/99 -0600, Jimani wrote: > > >Not found in my headers... or footers > > > > Interesting... Here's the header I received from the note you just sent to > the list. Please note the last line. > > Received: from netbox.com ([206.24.105.130]) > by mx8.mindspring.com (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id > rhp0pq.605.37kbi16 > for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from jloyless@localhost) > by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA14756 > for jloyless@mindspring.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:38:25 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from jloyless) > Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) > by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14751 > for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu) > Received: from localhost > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id JAA27870; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:02 > -0400 > Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id JAA27734; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (marvin@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id JAA27699; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) > by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:48 -0400 > Received: from raybay (gup-090-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.170]) > by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24033; > Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:30:44 -0600 (MDT) > Message-ID: <002601be8b31$99ef2e80$aa5242cf@raybay> > From: "Jimani" > To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , > "Jane Loyless" > References: <001b01be8ac3$a1440d40$3014c0d8@petergio> > <3.0.1.32.19990419220734.00be3370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:54 -0600 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > List-Unsubscribe: > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:19:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20936 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07511; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07247; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07212; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA11455; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Jimani cc: John Kim , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <03b601be8b3e$fa0c5ce0$ae5242cf@raybay> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Jimani wrote: > Right, but we aren't supposed to be using html on this list. We have many > users who are Linux and many more who are PINE and Pegasus or other > university linked users who cannot read html at their sites. > > It doesn't hurt to publish the subscribe/unsubscribe once in a while. There > has certainly been a lot of confusion from users over the past three years. I totally agree!!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:24:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20973 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08446; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:22:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08289; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08250; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:22:38 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01652 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01643 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990420112414.00c13920@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:24:14 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: TP570 Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-103 http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/570tour/index.html http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+570&cnt ry=840&lang=en_US From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 11:58:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21413 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05254; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:02:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05150; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05133; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:02:22 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23816 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23805 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:02:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990420110400.00c043d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:04:00 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <199904201346.JAA11383@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:45 AM 4/20/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >Not on messages received here. > Interesting... Here's the headers I received from the last note you sent to the list. Please note the last line. Return-Path: Received: from netbox.com ([206.24.105.130]) by mx8.mindspring.com (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id rhp1fn.n0.37kbi16 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jloyless@localhost) by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA15780 for jloyless@mindspring.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jloyless) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by netbox.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15775 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29098; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29014; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29001; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:47:10 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id JAA11383 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904201346.JAA11383@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:45:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! List-Unsubscribe: From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 13:35:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22609 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17793; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17520; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17503; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13334; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: Jimani cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <03b601be8b3e$fa0c5ce0$ae5242cf@raybay> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Jimani wrote: > Right, but we aren't supposed to be using html on this list. We have many > users who are Linux and many more who are PINE and Pegasus or other > university linked users who cannot read html at their sites. > > It doesn't hurt to publish the subscribe/unsubscribe once in a while. There > has certainly been a lot of confusion from users over the past three years. Send a message requesting the change to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu. The list maintainer no longer owns a Thinkpad and doesn't regularly read the list. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 13:56:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22869 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19881; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:53:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19771; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19654; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:53:29 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26742 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:53:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26728 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990420135504.00c22460@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:55:04 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! In-Reply-To: <03b601be8b3e$fa0c5ce0$ae5242cf@raybay> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:03 AM 4/20/99 -0600, Jimani wrote: >It doesn't hurt to publish the subscribe/unsubscribe once in a while. There >has certainly been a lot of confusion from users over the past three years. > Are you volunteering to be responsible for posting it on a regular basis? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 17:49:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25990 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05640; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:45:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05357; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05344; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:45:05 -0400 Received: from lou1 (user-38ldhce.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.142]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09098 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990420144211.007e8de0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: lou1358@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:42:11 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: FYI: Rebates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: From: "computershopper.com" $100 off 233MHz IBM ThinkPad 390 and 560Z notebooks http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?325 $200 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 560Z and 600 notebooks http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?326 $300 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 770 notebooks http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?327 Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 18:25:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26606 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07901; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:24:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07779; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07766; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:24:07 -0400 Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id PAA06372; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904202224.PAA06372@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: Lou Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: FYI: Rebates In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990420144211.007e8de0@mindspring.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990420144211.007e8de0@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: I was not able to find the rebates you mention on those web pages. --Steve A Lou writes: > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:42:11 -0700 > Subject: FYI: Rebates > > From: "computershopper.com" > > $100 off 233MHz IBM ThinkPad 390 and 560Z notebooks > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?325 > > $200 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 560Z and 600 notebooks > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?326 > > $300 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 770 notebooks > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?327 > > > Warm regards, > > -lou- > -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 18:47:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26827 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09269; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:45:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09171; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09074; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16 -> dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:44:48 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA27345; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:43:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny4-23.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.151) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027229; Tue Apr 20 17:43:10 1999 Message-ID: <371D02CE.159F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:42:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: C-MORE Systems CC: Stephen Amadei , Dominique Pivard , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction References: <199904200805440400.02879FB6@relay.monumental.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: C-MORE Systems wrote: > > FWIW I received 4. > All DOA! > Ira > > ************************************************************************************* > > >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Dominique Pivard wrote: > > > >> This is already old news, but I did bid for 3 NiMH batteries at $5 each > >> and guess what, I got them! My trusty 701C and its dead NiCad battery > >> will get a new life. The seller was XtendMicro. Thanks John for the tip! > > > >I'll have to try this... everytime I bid on batteries for my 360C on Ebay, > >a bidding war breaks out and they finally go for $60-$100. *Grumble* > > > > ----Steve > >Stephen Amadei > >Director of MIS > >Dandy Connections, Inc. > >Atlantic City, NJ Please advise us who the seller was, so they can be avoided. harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 18:56:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26940 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09935; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:54:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09771; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09752; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.57 -> ai-sun.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:54:42 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05651; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008401be8b80$9b558360$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "C-MORE Systems" , "Stephen Amadei" , "Dominique Pivard" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <199904200805440400.02879FB6@relay.monumental.com> Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:53:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Buying used batteries is a very risky business. In general they are to be avoided. -- David ----- Original Message ----- From: C-MORE Systems To: Stephen Amadei ; Dominique Pivard Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:05 AM Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction FWIW I received 4. All DOA! Ira From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 19:19:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27222 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11302; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11207; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11174; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:10 -0400 Received: from pmachule (142.90.120.3) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:17:48 -1300 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8b84$8353be40$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Whoa...... The batteries from Xtend Micro Products, who used www.amazon.com are all NEW !! They are the exact same as the IBM's , in fact they had to come from the same OEM. (Casting marks etc .) I can not test mine yet, as my Thinkpad 701C is in transit from Data Path Tech. If the batteries are DOA , Carla AKA cdyckman@xtendmicro.com will exchange them no PROBLEM . Peter Machule PS the Auction was a screwup by them, as there was supposed to be a minimum $ amount ( no shit ;-} They closed the auction early ...BUT honored all bids!!!! -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor To: C-MORE Systems ; Stephen Amadei ; Dominique Pivard Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction >Buying used batteries is a very risky business. > >In general they are to be avoided. > >-- >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: C-MORE Systems >To: Stephen Amadei ; Dominique Pivard >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:05 AM >Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction > > >FWIW I received 4. >All DOA! >Ira > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 19:21:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27232 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11509; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:19:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11358; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11315; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (206.55.3.25 -> relay.mnsinc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:19:01 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (headsup.c-more.com [206.239.28.8]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA11548; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199904201918080050.001BD14D@relay.monumental.com> In-Reply-To: <371D02CE.159F@ix.netcom.com> References: <199904200805440400.02879FB6@relay.monumental.com> <371D02CE.159F@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.13 (3) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:18:08 -0400 From: "C-MORE Systems" To: hbarnes@ix.netcom.com Cc: "Stephen Amadei" , "Dominique Pivard" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Xtend, purchased through amazon All in original packaging. Ira ****************************************************************************= ********* >C-MORE Systems wrote: >> >> FWIW I received 4. >> All DOA! >> Ira >> >>= ***************************************************************************= ********** >> >> >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Dominique Pivard wrote: >> > >> >> This is already old news, but I did bid for 3 NiMH batteries at $5= each >> >> and guess what, I got them! My trusty 701C and its dead NiCad battery >> >> will get a new life. The seller was XtendMicro. Thanks John for the= tip! >> > >> >I'll have to try this... everytime I bid on batteries for my 360C on= Ebay, >> >a bidding war breaks out and they finally go for $60-$100. *Grumble* >> > >> > ----Steve >> >Stephen Amadei >> >Director of MIS >> >Dandy Connections, Inc. >> >Atlantic City, NJ > >Please advise us who the seller was, so they can be avoided. > >harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 22:36:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29050 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20923; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:31:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20647; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20626; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:31:30 -0400 Received: from 132.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.132]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990421023122.DTCW8624@132.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:31:22 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:30:37 GMT Message-ID: <371d35da.7607708@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990420112414.00c13920@pop.mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990420112414.00c13920@pop.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:24:14 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-103 > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/570tour/index.html > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+570&cnt >ry=840&lang=en_US Thanks for the URLs. I browsed by the IBM site and have to say I'm disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come out with an ultralight notebook like my 505 so I could go back to IBM after the warranty comes up on my 505 (around Xmas). Instead, this seems to be a simple updating of the 560 rather than anything innovative. Things I don't like are: Display resolution - I really wish the default res for a 12" panel was XGA and SXGA for 13" versions. I prefer getting a bit more info on my screen for the extra real estate and power draw. The addition of the docking base - while it's clever of them to make it compatible with the peripherals for the 600, I've never been a fan of the "just clamp this big thingie on the bottom and you've got a desktop replacement" school of thought. Not on the GoBook, not on the Toshiba 7010, and not on the IBM 570. The 13" display model also looks fragile as heck. I'm definitely leaning towards my next Thinkpad being a member of the 600 series, probably when the P-2 refurbs hit the market later this year. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 22:58:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29232 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21978; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21881; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21856; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:56:04 -0400 Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id UAA00946; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904210255.UAA00946@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! List-Unsubscribe: Machine: Thinkpad 600E running Win98. Currently, the 6.4 gb HD in my system is partitioned into C:, D:, E: and F:. We'll call this drive HDA. Now, I put in my 1.2 gb HD into the Ultraslim bay using the HDD adapter. We'll call this drive HDB. When Win98 loads up with both drives in the system, I now have: C: (HDA), D: (HDB), E: (HDA old D:), F: (HDA old E:), G: (HDA old F:). Obviously this screws up a lot of things. In System Properties, Device Manager, I am unable to change the "Current drive letter assignment" (locked out). Anyone have any ideas here? What I'd like to do is have the HDB drive assigned as Z: and use it as an archive drive that I burn CDs with. Otherwise the second drive and adapter is useless. :-( Any help would be appreciated. -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 20 23:13:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29410 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22854; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:12:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22742; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22718; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:11:48 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.164.102]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990421031042.BNRZ23299@abtp> for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01be8bac$73439fc0$66a4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement - Wish list Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I took a look at the TP570 announcement links, (thanks Jane), and I have some questions: In the "At a Glance" part of the TP570 description this bullet point confused me: -Web, LAN, and infrared communications What does IBM mean by LAN here? Is there an ethernet port built in? I was hoping but I didn't see any other reference to this in the TP570 description. Is there a "LAN" in the Ultrabase gadget? I have a feeling they mean the optional port replicator EtherJet. Here is the best description I saw of the Ultrabase, it's in the tour link: "One UltraBase bay holds a diskette drive or second battery; the other bay holds a variety of convenient IBM UltraslimBay options - DVD, CD-ROM, Zip 100MB Drive, SuperDisk (LS-120) drive, or a second hard disk drive (6) with adapter (common with the ThinkPad 600)." V.90 modem - Does anyone know if the TP570 is the same internal v.90 as in the TP600 (and later 770) I get the impression some people are still replacing these with PC card duplicates. What's the list's opinion of the current internal v.90 modem on a sample of phone lines as compared to PC card replacements or even desktop modems? This brings up my wishes for new thinkpads: I wish IBM would build in a 10/100Mbps ethernet port. Seems like standard equipment to me. PC card dongles are fragile and a pain. Speaking of cables, I like all my cables to go out the back of the laptop. Please put the most commonly used cables out the back. At home I use my laptop on my lap. I'm usually in a reclining chair. For me the most common cables (besides power) are modem and ethernet. For me these are PC Card devices so they come out on the right side and have fragile, touchy connections. IBM, If you don't see the need for built in ethernet yet could you move the PC cards to empty out the back? That way I could set my thinkpad in more positions without touching the right side dongles. The right arm of my chair wouldn't get in the way. Even without emptying out the back it would be nice (but prevent the use of many PC cards) if you recessed the PC Card "holder" further back into the machine to protect the dongles from upward/downward pressure. This would also prevent dongle damage from stepping on the dongle when I set the laptop on the floor . For compatibility with those large dongle or XJACK cards that break the plane (thickness) of the card you could allow the entire PC card "holder" to slide back (and lock) a couple of inches. Then eject out for easy connections. I wish IBM would make a quality v.90 modem and cable it out the back. I wish IBM would make an effort to solve the following limitation documented in the TP570 announcement: -PC card modem cannot be used when internal modem is enabled due to resource conflict. -To use the PC card modem, disable the internal modem or disable the following devices simultaneously on the Device Manager to release the COM1 resource for the PC card modem: -Infrared communication port -ThinkPad fast infrared port -Communication port (COMA) Are the above devices connected to the PCI bus? Sharable IRQ's would be nice, please. Aaron Brown Jane Loyless wrote: >http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-103 > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/570tour/index.html > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+570&cn t >ry=840&lang=en_US From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:00:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29884 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24805; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:54:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24627; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24614; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:54:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-47.gate.net [199.227.20.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA221226; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <371D4BF3.666B88F4@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:54:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albert C. Lee" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! References: <199904210255.UAA00946@cavecreations.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Albert.. easy.. the problem is that HDB is a bootable drive.. thus when DOS sees the second bootable partition, it is automatically made "D:" drive.. then the balance of partitions on HDA, then the balance of partitions on HDB.. to defeat this, make HDB a non-bootable drive.. then all will follow the way you want.. OR.. make all your HDD's fat32, single partition drives.. Albert C. Lee wrote: > Machine: Thinkpad 600E running Win98. > > Currently, the 6.4 gb HD in my system is partitioned into C:, D:, E: > and F:. We'll call this drive HDA. > > Now, I put in my 1.2 gb HD into the Ultraslim bay using the HDD > adapter. We'll call this drive HDB. > > When Win98 loads up with both drives in the system, I now have: > C: (HDA), D: (HDB), E: (HDA old D:), F: (HDA old E:), G: (HDA old F:). > > Obviously this screws up a lot of things. In System Properties, > Device Manager, I am unable to change the "Current drive letter > assignment" (locked out). > > Anyone have any ideas here? What I'd like to do is have the HDB drive > assigned as Z: and use it as an archive drive that I burn CDs with. > Otherwise the second drive and adapter is useless. :-( > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -Al > > -- > Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:19:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00176 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25922; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25788; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25775; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (36.33.0.163 -> andrsn.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:13:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA27597 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Caddy for 701 HardDrive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Would anyone know where I could get a caddy with a working connector for a hard drive in a 701 ThinkPad? Thanks-- Annelise From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:31:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00296 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26436; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26338; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26284; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:02 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-47.gate.net [199.227.20.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA35714; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:59 -0400 Message-ID: <371D5226.C2B295E1@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:20:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Caddy for 701 HardDrive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Annelise.. yes.. http://www.thinkpads.com aka, me.. :-) Annelise Anderson wrote: > Would anyone know where I could get a caddy with a working > connector for a hard drive in a 701 ThinkPad? > > Thanks-- > > Annelise -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:34:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00322 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26845; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:24:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26741; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26608; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:23:27 -0400 Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA08166; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:29:16 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <371D52B5.64E4@kenavo.fi> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:23:17 +0300 From: Dominique Pivard Reply-To: domi2@kenavo.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu CC: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Caddy for 701 HardDrive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 at 09:12 PM you, Annelise Anderson , said: >Would anyone know where I could get a caddy with a working >connector for a hard drive in a 701 ThinkPad? For instance http://www.portables.com/Accessories/Caddy/caddy_ibm.htm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:35:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00330 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27480; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27215; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27182; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:29:01 -0400 Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA08555 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:35:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <371D540C.575E@kenavo.fi> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:29:00 +0300 From: Dominique Pivard Reply-To: domi2@kenavo.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 at 03:53 PM you, "David W. Taylor" , said: >Buying used batteries is a very risky business. >In general they are to be avoided. There was no mention the batteries auctioned would be used. From what I can see, mine look new. At least one of the three I bought appears to be functioning (haven't tried the other two). They don't wear the IBM label, but they are "assembled in Japan" (like the IBM ones). Dominique From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 00:49:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00443 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28947; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:44:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28858; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28827; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:44:37 -0400 Received: from dante08.u.washington.edu (williams@dante08.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.10]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id VAA32722 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:44:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante08.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id VAA14918 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:44:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OT: Yamaha 4416SX vs Plextor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: HI, I just got a (damaged) Yamaha 4416SXZ a few days ago. I installed all the software for SCSI, Easy CD Creator. Still I had no luck. I could write small files. But bigger files give tracking errors. Then I noticed sometimes when a disc is insterted it gives the amber (no disc) light. Also, I ran CD Speed 99 and it aborts about at the 45 minute recording spot. So, my question is do I return it and give Yamaha another chance or get a Plextor Drive instead? Any suggestions? My setup is Thinkpad 770ED, Win 95 OSR2, and Adaptec 1480A Scsi. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 01:06:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00560 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29793; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29634; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29596; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:01:11 -0400 Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id XAA13309; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904210500.XAA13309@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: penzance@icanect.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! List-Unsubscribe: > to defeat this, make HDB a non-bootable drive.. Which is the preferred way to do this: fdisk and toggle to boot flag, or fdisk /mbr Thanks! -Al -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 01:46:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00838 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01298; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01176; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vm4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01163; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vm4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.137 -> vm4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:08 -0400 Received: from voyage (PTLDB209-15.splitrock.net [209.156.251.84]) by vm4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA179002 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <009701be8bb9$778a1020$54fb9cd1@voyage> From: "Ron Doak" To: Subject: Re: Rebates Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:40:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >I was not able to find the rebates you mention on those web pages. > >--Steve A Same here. I was able to find this page. It has other companies listed. Ron > > >Lou writes: > > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:42:11 -0700 > > Subject: FYI: Rebates > > > > From: "computershopper.com" > > > > $100 off 233MHz IBM ThinkPad 390 and 560Z notebooks > > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?325 > > > > $200 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 560Z and 600 notebooks > > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?326 > > > > $300 off 300MHz IBM ThinkPad 770 notebooks > > http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?327 > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > -lou- > > >-- >Steven Augart >Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute >University of Southern California >4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A >+1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 01:48:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00892 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01639; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:42:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01374; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01337; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:42:13 -0400 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:61216 "HELO tp770xgsnt.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <17483-18438>; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:41:50 -0600 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Inc Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:43:29 -0600 To: "J. Williams" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: Yamaha 4416SX vs Plextor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I love my Plextor PleXWriter 8/20. It is fast, and the most usefuf software which come with it can create a bootable CD Image from my thinkpad's harddrive, so I can rebuild my favorite configuration in minutes. "J. Williams" on 04/20/99 10:44:33 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: OT: Yamaha 4416SX vs Plextor HI, I just got a (damaged) Yamaha 4416SXZ a few days ago. I installed all the software for SCSI, Easy CD Creator. Still I had no luck. I could write small files. But bigger files give tracking errors. Then I noticed sometimes when a disc is insterted it gives the amber (no disc) light. Also, I ran CD Speed 99 and it aborts about at the 45 minute recording spot. So, my question is do I return it and give Yamaha another chance or get a Plextor Drive instead? Any suggestions? My setup is Thinkpad 770ED, Win 95 OSR2, and Adaptec 1480A Scsi. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 04:47:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA01989 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09469; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09272; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09257; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de (134.176.2.12 -> merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:40:52 -0400 Received: from caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de by merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de with ESMTP for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:39:10 +0200 Received: from sun6.mni.fh-giessen.de ([134.176.183.106] helo=mni.fh-giessen.de) by caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.00 #15) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 10ZsUU-0000UK-00; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:18 +0200 Sender: Thomas.Dickel@mni.fh-giessen.de Message-Id: <371D8EAE.C2B8D9D@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:39:10 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: de, de-DE, de-CH, de-AT, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP760XL] XFree86 3.3.1 References: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> <371B310B.1792B8CF@mni.fh-giessen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id EAA09469 "Jeremy D. Zawodny" wrote: >=20 > Thomas Dickel writes: >=20 > > has anyone ever tried to install and run XFree86 3.3.1 on the > > Thinkpad 760XL? >=20 > Which chipset does it use? Many of the stock XF86 config files work > out of the box if you've got the right chipset identified. It uses the Trident Cyber 9385 > > I was warned not to run XFree because it can destroy the LCD > > display. >=20 > Sounds like FUD. Did the person have a clue? You can read the warning at http://www.suse.de/index.html (only in german= ) SuSE Linux is the most sold Linux distribution in germany. The original message follows: --- =20 TFT-Displays mit Trident Cyber 9385=20 Auf einem Rechner mit TFT-Display und Grafikchip Trident Cyber 9385 kann = es bei Verwendung von XFree86(tm) zu einer irreparablen Sch=E4digung des TFT-Displays komme= n! Bis zur Verf=FCgbarkeit einer L=F6sung raten wir dringend davon ab, X Window auf = der oben genannten Hardware einzurichten. Diese Ph=E4nomen scheint nur auf wenigen Rechnern aufzutreten. Sollten Si= e bereits ein einwandfrei laufendes X unter o.g. Hardware haben, besteht kein Grund zur Sorge. Soll= te Ihr Bildschirm hingegen gelegentlich flackern oder ein " gekr=E4useltes" Bild zeigen, be= enden Sie X bitte sofort und starten Sie es nicht mehr!=20 --- and now the English translation from Altavista: --- TFT display with Trident Cyber 9385=20 On a computer with TFT display and diagram chip Trident Cyber 9385 can co= me it when using XFree86(tm) to a irreparable damage of the TFT display! Up = to the availability of a solution we advise against urgently to create X Window = on the hardware specified above. This phenomenon seems to occur only on few computers. You should already a perfectly running X under o.g. Hardware h= ave, exists no reason to the concern. If your display should flicker however occasionally or show a " rippled/crinkled " picture, terminate X please immediately an= d start you it no longer!=20 --- So it seems to be no FUD. Anyone has any ideas? Who has used XFree on a 760XL with success? What were the definitions in = the config file? Ciao Thomas --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Dickel - Nelkenweg 8 - 35043 Marburg Tel/Fax: 06421/483627 mail://dickel@mni.fh-giessen.de =20 University of Applied Science Giessen --------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 05:04:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA02087 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10060; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:58:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09925; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparticus.bright.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09912; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparticus.bright.net (205.212.123.5 -> sparticus.bright.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:58:31 -0400 Received: from peach.z.org. (find1-cs-1.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.2]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.3/8.9.3 ComNet Build) with ESMTP id EAA04049; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:58:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Thomas Dickel Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP760XL] XFree86 3.3.1 References: <3.0.3.32.19990419092115.00731df8@post.queensu.ca> <371B310B.1792B8CF@mni.fh-giessen.de> <371D8EAE.C2B8D9D@mni.fh-giessen.de> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 21 Apr 1999 05:03:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thomas Dickel's message of "Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:39:10 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Thomas Dickel writes: > > Sounds like FUD. Did the person have a clue? > > You can read the warning at http://www.suse.de/index.html (only in german) > SuSE Linux is the most sold Linux distribution in germany. [snip] > On a computer with TFT display and diagram chip Trident Cyber 9385 > can come it when using XFree86(tm) to a irreparable damage of the > TFT display! Up to the availability of a solution we advise against > urgently to create X Window on the hardware specified above. This > phenomenon seems to occur only on few computers. You should already > a perfectly running X under o.g. Hardware have, exists no reason to > the concern. If your display should flicker however occasionally or > show a " rippled/crinkled " picture, terminate X please immediately > and start you it no longer! > >--- So it seems to be no FUD. Well that's rather spooky! At least it's one of those problems that affects just a few people (as opposed to trashing every single system with that chipset). Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 5:01am up 45 days, 14:14, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.04 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 09:51:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04054 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28626; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:47:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28210; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28197; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:47:48 -0400 Received: from peter (142.90.100.98) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:47:33 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: "Annelise Anderson" , Subject: Re: Caddy for 701 HardDrive Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:45:23 -0700 Message-ID: <01be8bfd$349c5540$62645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Always deal with Bill first ! But since the price may be real issue ( sorry Bill ;-} the $14 from http://www.centrix-intl.com/ is going to be hard to beat . ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Annelise Anderson To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:14 AM Subject: Caddy for 701 HardDrive >Would anyone know where I could get a caddy with a working >connector for a hard drive in a 701 ThinkPad? > >Thanks-- > > Annelise > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:00:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04129 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29535; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29434; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29387; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17955; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: "J. Williams" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: Yamaha 4416SX vs Plextor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, J. Williams wrote: > > I just got a (damaged) Yamaha 4416SXZ a few days ago. I installed all the > software for SCSI, Easy CD Creator. Still I had no luck. I could write > small files. But bigger files give tracking errors. Then I noticed > sometimes when a disc is insterted it gives the amber (no disc) light. > Also, I ran CD Speed 99 and it aborts about at the 45 minute recording > spot. Have you tried the DirectCD software? Normally I'd say avoid it, but since it writes to the CD in a different way, it might be interesting to see if that has the same problems. > So, my question is do I return it and give Yamaha another chance or get a > Plextor Drive instead? If you plan to use CD-RWs, stick with the Yamaha. If you plan to use only CD-Rs and don't mind paying a bit more, get the Plextor. They are a very solid company, basically considered the Cadillac (or BMW or Mercedes) of CD-ROM drives. My other CD-ROM drive is a Plextor. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:32:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04438 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02519; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02380; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02363; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:22 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-190.usc.edu [128.125.223.190]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA03439 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990421071640.00ad3250@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:19:41 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP Cable Direction In-Reply-To: <003a01be8bac$73439fc0$66a4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:07 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > Speaking of cables, I like all my cables to go out the back of the >laptop. Please put the most commonly used cables out the back. At home I >use my laptop on my lap. I'm usually in a reclining chair. For me the most >common cables (besides power) are modem and ethernet. For me these are PC >Card devices so they come out on the right side and have fragile, touchy Such preferences are extremely personal. You don't want them coming out of the sides because it conflicts with your chair. Well guess what--I don't like them coming out of the back because I often sit back on the couch and prop the PC on my lap. Stuff coming out of the back would just hit my knees and be interfered with that way. Seems like someone is going to be unhappy no matter how you look at it. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:33:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04467 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02754; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:31:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02554; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02475; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:55 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-190.usc.edu [128.125.223.190]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA03446; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990421072133.00ac9950@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:30:08 -0700 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! In-Reply-To: <199904210255.UAA00946@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:55 PM 4/20/99 -0600, you wrote: >Currently, the 6.4 gb HD in my system is partitioned into C:, D:, E: >and F:. We'll call this drive HDA. > >Now, I put in my 1.2 gb HD into the Ultraslim bay using the HDD >adapter. We'll call this drive HDB. > >When Win98 loads up with both drives in the system, I now have: >C: (HDA), D: (HDB), E: (HDA old D:), F: (HDA old E:), G: (HDA old F:). > >Obviously this screws up a lot of things. In System Properties, >Device Manager, I am unable to change the "Current drive letter >assignment" (locked out). > >Anyone have any ideas here? What I'd like to do is have the HDB drive >assigned as Z: and use it as an archive drive that I burn CDs with. >Otherwise the second drive and adapter is useless. :-( First of all, there's nothing you can do in software to change the drive letter assignments--they are what they are, and it always goes like this: - Primary partition on each physical drive gets first crack at drive letters (C, then D, etc.) - Secondary partitions then get drive letters--this time, until each drive is "used up". That is if you have 2 additional partitions in the extended partition on each drive, then the first one gets E and F, then the second drive will get G and H. The only way around that is to *not* have the second physical drive with a primary partition. Have the whole drive set as an Extended Partition and then divvy it up as you choose. That will force all the first set of drive letters onto the first physical drive and then the rest to the 2nd physical drive, in that order (and preserve your existing drive letter assignments). There is no way to set the 2nd physical drive letter to "Z" by itself, unless (a) you have 25 drive partitions before it, or (b) you use a network function to define it as "Z", but it would still *also* have its actual drive letter assigned to it (ie, you can tell the OS to assign drive G as "Z", but it will *also* be drive G). The most flexible thing you can do is assign your CD-ROM drive to different drive letters, which I do to avoid drive letter problems. I have my CD on both my ThinkPad and my desktop machine assigned as "K", which leaves me some room in letters before "K" to monkey with some drive partitions, etc. without constantly changinging the drive letter assignment of my CD drive. So, you have a solution here, but perhaps not quite what you wanted. Still doable. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:34:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04486 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03123; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02911; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02868; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:32:37 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-190.usc.edu [128.125.223.190]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA03695; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990421073100.00ac1100@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:31:21 -0700 To: "Albert C. Lee" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! In-Reply-To: <199904210500.XAA13309@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:00 PM 4/20/99 -0600, you wrote: >> to defeat this, make HDB a non-bootable drive.. > >Which is the preferred way to do this: > >fdisk and toggle to boot flag, or > >fdisk /mbr The preferred way? Go buy Partition Magic. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:38:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04531 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03625; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03423; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03402; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18253 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <371d35da.7607708@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > > Thanks for the URLs. I browsed by the IBM site and have to say I'm > disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come out with an ultralight > notebook like my 505 so I could go back to IBM after the warranty comes up > on my 505 (around Xmas). Instead, this seems to be a simple updating of the I have to agree - I was underwhelmed as well. While there isn't much difference between 3 lbs and 4 lbs, the subjective look and feel between my 560 and the Sony 505 is that the 505 is much smaller. About the only thing I liked about the 560 was that it came with a PII (which is not yet available in the ultralights made for the U.S.). Otherwise it looked like a slightly thinner 560. > I'm definitely leaning towards my next Thinkpad being a member of the > 600 series, probably when the P-2 refurbs hit the market later this year. Yeah, I'm going to have to decide between a 600 or an ultralight. I rarely use CDs, but when I need to use one on my 560, I *really* miss it. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 10:45:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04656 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04888; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04594; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04541; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18296 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: Re: TP Cable Direction In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990421071640.00ad3250@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:07 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > > Speaking of cables, I like all my cables to go out the back of the > >laptop. Please put the most commonly used cables out the back. At home I > >use my laptop on my lap. I'm usually in a reclining chair. For me the most > >common cables (besides power) are modem and ethernet. For me these are PC > >Card devices so they come out on the right side and have fragile, touchy > > Such preferences are extremely personal. You don't want them coming out > of the sides because it conflicts with your chair. > >Well guess what--I don't like them coming out of the back because I often > sit back on the couch and prop the PC on my lap. Stuff coming out of the > back would just hit my knees and be interfered with that way. The thing is, with modem and ethernet (twisted pair) connectors, if the plugs were built right into the notebook, there would be no clumsy dongles hanging off the sides or back. A long time ago, about the time the 2nd generation Thinkpads were due out, there were rumors of an RJ-11 jack being built directly into the notebook. It would be functionless, but you could plug in a PCMCIA modem card, which would use this jack instead of requiring a dongle. The same could now go for ethernet jacks. I don't know why the notebook manufacturers haven't done anything with this idea. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 11:02:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04849 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06763; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:00:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06571; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06537; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:00:07 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-190.usc.edu [128.125.223.190]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA09159; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990421075352.00ab6b40@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:57:49 -0700 To: John Kim , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <371d35da.7607708@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:36 AM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote: >> I'm definitely leaning towards my next Thinkpad being a member of the >> 600 series, probably when the P-2 refurbs hit the market later this year. > >Yeah, I'm going to have to decide between a 600 or an >ultralight. I rarely use CDs, but when I need to use one on >my 560, I *really* miss it. For what its worth--and I know both of you are fellow 701 club members as I myself was--I made the leap of faith and got a 600 after my 560 bit the dust. At first I thought I'd regret it, but almost immediately after opening the box, I was very surprised. I'm very happy with the machine, despite that its a bit larger than the 560 (almost unnoticably so, until you put them next to each other). And like you, I don't often use CD's, but when I do--I *need* it. If you too make the leap from 560 to 600, I don't think you'll regret it. Unless you have *no* need whatsoever for CD's (perhaps just for installing software or only at your homebase where its easily attached), I believe the 600 is the better choice. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 11:09:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04940 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07373; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:05:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07231; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07213; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:05:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-8.gate.net [199.227.131.71]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA269974; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <371DE939.FBCB54D7@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:05:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: Annelise Anderson , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Caddy for 701 HardDrive References: <01be8bfd$349c5540$62645a8e@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm not entirely sure the thing from centrix IS a 701 HDD shell, but go for it and let me know.. :-) peter machule wrote: > Always deal with Bill first ! > > But since the price may be real issue ( sorry Bill ;-} > the $14 from http://www.centrix-intl.com/ > is going to be hard to beat . > > ..peter.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Annelise Anderson > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:14 AM > Subject: Caddy for 701 HardDrive > > >Would anyone know where I could get a caddy with a working > >connector for a hard drive in a 701 ThinkPad? > > > >Thanks-- > > > > Annelise > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 13:21:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06857 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17235; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:17:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16969; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16936; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (206.138.237.234 -> dragon.goamerica.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:16:36 -0400 Received: from ixswykpv (slip-32-101-23-87.wa.us.ibm.net [32.101.23.87]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18158; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990421100002.01572b30@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:00:02 -0700 To: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown), ThinkPad Mailing List From: John Callahan Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <371d35da.7607708@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990420112414.00c13920@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990420112414.00c13920@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 560x, which is the best computer I've ever had. I looked at the 570 announcement with great interest but couldn't see any big advantage for me. The 570 is about the same weight as the 560. The larger screen is not worth $3,000 to me. A faster processor, for me, is not important. I don't type that fast. I did see one big disadvantage, battery life. I looked at the PC Magazine Web site. They had tested a prototype of the 570 and got just over three hours of battery life. That's pretty good, but I get about four hours on my 560x and battery life is one of the most important attributes for a notebook computer. My next ThinkPad -- a supplement to, not a replacement for, the 560x -- will probably also be a ThinkPad 600, either a refurb or end-of-product-life model. For some applications, such as navigation programs for boating, an internal CD-ROM drive is very convenient. At 02:30 AM 4/21/99 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: >On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:24:14 -0400, Jane Loyless >wrote: >>http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=199-103 >> >>http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/570tour/index.html >> >>http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad +570&cnt >>ry=840&lang=en_US > > Thanks for the URLs. I browsed by the IBM site and have to say I'm >disappointed. I was really hoping they'd come out with an ultralight >notebook like my 505 so I could go back to IBM after the warranty comes up >on my 505 (around Xmas). Instead, this seems to be a simple updating of the >560 rather than anything innovative. Things I don't like are: > Display resolution - I really wish the default res for a 12" panel was >XGA and SXGA for 13" versions. I prefer getting a bit more info on my >screen for the extra real estate and power draw. > The addition of the docking base - while it's clever of them to make it >compatible with the peripherals for the 600, I've never been a fan of the >"just clamp this big thingie on the bottom and you've got a desktop >replacement" school of thought. Not on the GoBook, not on the Toshiba 7010, >and not on the IBM 570. > The 13" display model also looks fragile as heck. > I'm definitely leaning towards my next Thinkpad being a member of the >600 series, probably when the P-2 refurbs hit the market later this year. > epbrown >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > > The earth is over 3/4ths water. It seems only natural to have a boat. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 14:00:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07522 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20627; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20432; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20405; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:29 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA16010 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:56:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990421123936.00869e30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:39:36 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Ultraslim HDD adapter help! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990421072133.00ac9950@rcf.usc.edu> References: <199904210255.UAA00946@cavecreations.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 07:30 AM 4/21/99 -0700, Randy wrote: > The most flexible thing you can do is assign your CD-ROM drive to >different drive letters, which I do to avoid drive letter problems. I have >my CD on both my ThinkPad and my desktop machine assigned as "K", which >leaves me some room in letters before "K" to monkey with some drive >partitions, etc. without constantly changinging the drive letter assignment >of my CD drive. The *first* thing (practically) that I do after installing Windows on a new system, or re-installing it, is to set my internal CD-ROM / DVD drive to Z:, to give me *maximal* flexibility on drive letters. It's important to do this *first*, so that any software you subsequently load knows that that is where your CD-ROM drive lives. Whenever this is done, you really need to go through the Registry and look for any reference to your *old* CD-ROM drive letter. (Include the colon character in your search, to avoid lots of false hits. E.g., "E:" rather than "E".) You probably want to change each of these to your new letter (Z:). The sooner you do this, the fewer references there will be and the fewer chances that some dim-wit piece of software has stored your (now incorrect) CD-ROM drive letter into some other config file. An example of this is Soft-DVD in the 770ED preload that puts it into C:\WINDOWS\SOFTDVD.INI. Good luck! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNx4NUm8pw+2/9pUJEQLVpwCcDzeBzLGndecBd982+Fpe8RZuI6MAnAgP 3mBAUluVFe/DqKGwo0BIYqUM =u2SF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. 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Tom Jones Taj@nauticom.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 21 22:45:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14738 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26257; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26072; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26051; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (192.195.85.203 -> roadrunner.sig.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:41:57 -0400 Received: from cueve (dynamic46.fbtc.net [204.2.11.46]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA23102; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:41:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009b01be8c69$9c0e7340$2e0b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" , Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I have 1 IBM battery and 2 Xtend batteries for my 365XD and I can't tell any difference in performance. All 3 have been use extensively for about 2 years. Barry -----Original Message----- From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 6:21 PM Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction >Whoa...... > >The batteries from Xtend Micro Products, who used www.amazon.com >are all NEW !! >They are the exact same as the IBM's , in fact they had to come from the >same OEM. >(Casting marks etc .) > >I can not test mine yet, as my Thinkpad 701C is in transit from Data Path >Tech. >If the batteries are DOA , > Carla AKA cdyckman@xtendmicro.com >will exchange them no PROBLEM . > >Peter Machule > >PS the Auction was a screwup by them, > as there was supposed to be a minimum $ amount ( no shit ;-} >They closed the auction early ...BUT honored all bids!!!! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David W. Taylor >To: C-MORE Systems ; Stephen Amadei ; >Dominique Pivard >Cc: ThinkPad List >Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:55 PM >Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction > > >>Buying used batteries is a very risky business. >> >>In general they are to be avoided. >> >>-- >>David >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: C-MORE Systems >>To: Stephen Amadei ; Dominique Pivard >>Cc: >>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:05 AM >>Subject: Re: 701 Batteries at Amazon Auction >> >> >>FWIW I received 4. >>All DOA! >>Ira >> >> >> >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 05:40:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA17802 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19427; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:35:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19208; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19189; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.95.209.24 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:35:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 8356 invoked from network); 22 Apr 1999 09:34:45 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 09:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12838 invoked by uid 5); 22 Apr 1999 09:33:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990422093300.12835.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:20:28 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:20:28 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP with CD-Writer / CD Boot / CD-RW capable List-Unsubscribe: Hi! 3 questions: Will there be a new TP with built in CD Writer available within the next few months? Which TPs do support booting from CD-ROM? (My 760ED/765D with 20x Hitachi do not) Which TPs do support CD-RW media? (My 760ED/765D with 20x Hitachi do not) --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 10:09:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19559 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02712; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:07:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02350; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02326; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:06:52 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA26968; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:06:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990422090535.00837940@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:05:35 -0500 To: "Rainer Feuerstein" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: TP with CD-Writer / CD Boot / CD-RW capable Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" In-Reply-To: <19990422093300.12835.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:20 AM 4/22/99 +0100, Rainer Feuerstein wrote: >Which TPs do support booting from CD-ROM? My 770ED does. It is a pretty good bet that none with PCMCIA attached CD-ROM drives can. >Which TPs do support CD-RW media? My 770ED can read CD-RW media on its DVD drive. I have heard that some 770ED DVD drives cannot. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNx8sq28pw+2/9pUJEQKbogCg6HSBkv5Wg3BVDTWcuQHh9pC+pocAoNxN pcuJW1251DaaabmgyufWp4CU =CPob -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 12:28:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21341 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14099; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:24:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13717; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13685; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:24:11 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (user-38lc8hp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.34.57]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02956 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Allison" To: Subject: Memory Problem Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000601be8cdc$83a25420$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a used 64mg ram chip from a friend. It works fine in his 560, and is supposed to work in my 385ED. However, it only shows up as a 32mg chip in my bios and under Windows 95. It works fine as a 32mg chip, but when I try to run the memory test at system startup, the memory test finds an error and won't run. Again, it runs perfectly on my friend's 560. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Mark Allison From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 13:40:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22414 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19582; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19391; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19363; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:19 -0400 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA23198 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:32:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 23077 invoked from network); 22 Apr 1999 17:31:33 -0000 Received: from mg-20425426-109.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.254.26.109) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 17:31:33 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Emanuel Brown" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:31:30 -0700 Message-Id: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <371d35da.7607708@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > The addition of the docking base - while it's clever of > them to make it > compatible with the peripherals for the 600, I've never been a fan of the > "just clamp this big thingie on the bottom and you've got a desktop > replacement" school of thought. Not on the GoBook, not on the > Toshiba 7010, > and not on the IBM 570. > The 13" display model also looks fragile as heck. > I'm definitely leaning towards my next Thinkpad being a > member of the > 600 series, probably when the P-2 refurbs hit the market later this year. That base looks pretty thick. (Anyone know how thick the base+570 is?) I really like the fact the 600 is thin even when it's all set up with CD-ROM and floppy drives. That's the way I use it most of the time, and it's much more comfortable for typing (for me anyway) than a thicker machine. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 14:02:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA22761 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21786; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21621; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21602; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.55) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:00:19 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10765; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Michael Geary" , "Emanuel Brown" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:58:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There is a lukewarm review of the TP570 in today's Technology column in the Wall Street Journal by Walter Mossberg. "The problem is that for mobile users like me, who like to throw an external floppy and CD-ROM into their checked luggage just in case they're needed, the new base is a pain in the neck. It weighs nearly three pounds -- without the laptop -- when fitted with a floppy and CD-ROM drive, and takes up lots of room in a suitcase." http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB924741404755678556.htm David ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Geary To: Emanuel Brown ; ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement > > That base looks pretty thick. (Anyone know how thick the base+570 is?) > > I really like the fact the 600 is thin even when it's all set up with CD-ROM > and floppy drives. That's the way I use it most of the time, and it's much > more comfortable for typing (for me anyway) than a thicker machine. > > -Mike > > Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 14:21:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA22983 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23247; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:13:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23117; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23095; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (194.90.193.239) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:13:11 -0400 Received: by bashanjr.bashan.co.il with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <286D24A5>; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:15:57 +0200 Message-ID: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F12B00A1@BASHANAF> From: Eliezer Birinbom To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: [TP770] PcCard on Win95 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:16:51 +0200 Reply-By: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:30:00 +0200 X-Message-Flag: Follow up MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have installed Windows 95 Hebrew Enabled (which is an OSR0 version) on an IBM TP770x, but the PcCard drivers won't work. According to the IBM documentation, there are several fixes for the OSR1 and OSR2 versions of Windows 95, but there are no such version in Hebrew, so I must use the older version. Further more, the drivers should be a TI 1250a, but all I can find are TI 1250 or TI 1251, which doesn't work. There was one document which hinted that an OSR0 Windows 95 should use the standard PCIC windows drivers, but I can only get my computer to recognize 1 out of the 2 drivers. I have tried to install the CardWorks, but it failed. Thanks, Eliezer Birinbom Bashan Systems Tel: +972 (03) 9386914 Fax: +972 (03) 9023645 Mobile: +972 (053) 465781 mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 14:31:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23114 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24571; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24395; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24374; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16366; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA26419; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Michael Geary" Cc: "Emanuel Brown" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement References: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 22 Apr 1999 14:27:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Michael Geary"'s message of "Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:31:30 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Michael Geary" writes: > That base looks pretty thick. (Anyone know how thick the base+570 is?) http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/firstlooks/0,6763,400214,00.html suggests that it is 2.1 inches w/ultrabase attached. Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 14:34:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23166 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24972; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24840; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24824; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.77 -> pads1.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:37 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu (dhcp-198-109-167-98.tcimet.net [198.109.167.98]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id OAA21851; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:31:31 -0400 Message-ID: <371F6BCB.8FF590CE@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:34:51 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > From: John Callahan > > I have a ThinkPad 560x, which is the best computer I've ever had. I have a 560x that I bought when the price came down. To me it's just about ideal. The 570 keeps the great features of the 560 - keyboard and the single spindle form factor. The thinner design is really more evolution that revolution. Don't they say that notebooks can never be to thin or to expensive :-) > I looked at the 570 announcement with great interest but couldn't see > any big advantage for me. The 570 is about the same weight as the > 560. The larger screen is not worth $3,000 to me. A faster processor, > for me, is not important. I don't type that fast. The price really hasn't changed much - 560's had even higher list prices when they came out. > I did see one big disadvantage, battery life. I looked at the PC > Magazine Web site. They had tested a prototype of the 570 and got > just over three hours of battery life. That's pretty good, but I get > about four hours on my 560x and battery life is one of the most > important attributes for a notebook computer. I think that if you ran a 560x through the battery benchmark that it's performance would be similiar. The benchmark is standardized and (I believe) fairly rigorous - most users probably exceed the benchmark times in normal usage - YMMV as they say. > My next ThinkPad -- a supplement to, not a replacement for, the 560x > -- will probably also be a ThinkPad 600, either a refurb or > end-of-product-life model. > For some applications, such as navigation programs for boating, an > internal CD-ROM drive is very convenient. Nah, get a bigger HD and put the CD on it. Although if a two spindle machine could be built to the size of the 560... The one thing I would like to see on the new models is built in ethernet. I share the feeling of earlier posters; a built-in RJ45 jack would be great for eliminating the worries about xjacks/dongles durability. Especially without a CD, it's essential to have networking. -Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 16:18:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24329 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04933; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:15:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04787; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04742; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-54.gate.net [207.36.213.54]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA433012; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: <371F82F8.50F21DE3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:13:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Allison CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory Problem References: <000601be8cdc$83a25420$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. the 365 does not support a 64meg part.. Mark Allison wrote: > I just bought a used 64mg ram chip from a friend. It works fine in his 560, > and is supposed to work in my 385ED. However, it only shows up as a 32mg > chip in my bios and under Windows 95. It works fine as a 32mg chip, but when > I try to run the memory test at system startup, the memory test finds an > error and won't run. Again, it runs perfectly on my friend's 560. Does > anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Allison -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 16:25:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24379 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05658; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:23:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05477; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05438; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:23:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15765; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Mark Allison , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory Problem In-Reply-To: <371F82F8.50F21DE3@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: The 385ED supports up to 80 megs of RAM and 64 meg part does work as long as the part is EDO. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Mark.. > the 365 does not support a 64meg part.. > > Mark Allison wrote: > > > I just bought a used 64mg ram chip from a friend. It works fine in his 560, > > and is supposed to work in my 385ED. However, it only shows up as a 32mg > > chip in my bios and under Windows 95. It works fine as a 32mg chip, but when > > I try to run the memory test at system startup, the memory test finds an > > error and won't run. Again, it runs perfectly on my friend's 560. Does > > anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark Allison > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 16:54:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24684 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08787; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08606; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08558; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:51:18 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([135.145.254.79]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990422205106.DNFY20665@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:51:06 +0000 Received: from [146.18.174.10] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:50:53 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760cd Keyboard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:50:53 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 10 1999) X-Authenticated-Sender: r.alfalla@att.net Message-Id: <19990422205106.DNFY20665@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Greetings All. My keyboard has finally got the sticking keys i've heard so much about on this seies of TP. Does anyone have any experience or ideas that i could do myself in order to bring life back to the keyboard? Thanks, Roberto From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 18:51:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA26373 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16322; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:49:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16113; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16097; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:48:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-55.gate.net [199.227.131.118]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA122884; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: <371FA738.DA3203F6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:48:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Allison CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory Problem References: <000601be8cdc$83a25420$6500a8c0@Thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. oops.. sorry.. i was thinking of the 365.. the 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU support the 128meg part.. all the 385 should support the 64meg part that is used in the 560.. BUT at one time, some manufacturers made a specific part for the 560.. so, i suppose the answer might be a question, what brand is this 64meg part..?? Mark Allison wrote: > I just bought a used 64mg ram chip from a friend. It works fine in his 560, > and is supposed to work in my 385ED. However, it only shows up as a 32mg > chip in my bios and under Windows 95. It works fine as a 32mg chip, but when > I try to run the memory test at system startup, the memory test finds an > error and won't run. Again, it runs perfectly on my friend's 560. Does > anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Allison -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 19:26:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26762 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18371; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:24:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18252; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18238; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:24:44 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a202.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.202]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02826; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904222323.TAA02826@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a202.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.202] 209.198.80.202 Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:44:24 -0400 To: "Rainer Feuerstein" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" In-Reply-To: <19990422093300.12835.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Subject: Re: TP with CD-Writer / CD Boot / CD-RW capable X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Will there be a new TP with built in CD Writer available within the next >few months? No one know that but IBM. But I doubt there will be one for a few years. DVD is just now starting to go mainstream. The two don't fit into one drive. >Which TPs do support booting from CD-ROM? (My 760ED/765D with 20x Hitachi >do not) The 600E does, but you you have muck with the bios settings. >Which TPs do support CD-RW media? (My 760ED/765D with 20x Hitachi do not) The 600E does. The other newer Thinkpad probably do too. >--- >Kind regards, >Rainer@Feuerstein.com _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 19:29:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26797 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18687; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:27:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18499; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18474; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12 -> dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:27:08 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA14294; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:26:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny6-19.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.83) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014156; Thu Apr 22 18:26:10 1999 Message-ID: <371FAFDF.408E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:25:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: r.alfalla@att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760cd Keyboard References: <19990422205106.DNFY20665@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: r.alfalla@att.net wrote: > > Greetings All. > > My keyboard has finally got the sticking keys > i've heard so much about on this seies of TP. Does anyone > have any experience or ideas that i could do myself > in order to bring life back to the keyboard? > > Thanks, > > Roberto The best suggestion would be to get another 760 series keyboard. I recently got a great deal for one on Ebay and then promptly sold the one I replaced (of course with a full description of the old keyboard including the somewhat loose spacebar.) harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 19:34:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26838 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19180; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19082; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19058; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:32:29 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id QAA05506; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <371FB1E8.44A737F2@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:34:00 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP570 References: <371F6BCB.8FF590CE@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom Rockwell wrote: > > I think that if you ran a 560x through the battery benchmark that it's > performance would be similiar. The benchmark is standardized and (I > believe) fairly rigorous - most users probably exceed the benchmark > times in normal usage - YMMV as they say. My 560X gets exactly 1:45 each time I run it down to the ground ie hibernation is enforced. This is on full CPU speed, no power conservation, either running Scandisk or WinAMP. At 1/2 CPU speed I get around 3 hours, but never timed that precisely. > > > My next ThinkPad -- a supplement to, not a replacement for, the 560x > > -- will probably also be a ThinkPad 600, either a refurb or > > end-of-product-life model. > > For some applications, such as navigation programs for boating, an > > internal CD-ROM drive is very convenient. > > Nah, get a bigger HD and put the CD on it. Although if a two spindle > machine could be built to the size of the 560... > Actually, it has already been done, but not by IBM. Go to www.jpd.com and take a look at the Panasonic CF-44E. 3.5 lbs *with* CD-ROM installed. The screen is 11.3" XGA. The notebooks itself is 10.6 x 8.5 x 1.1 inches (270 x 215 x 27.9mm). Benjamin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 22 19:49:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA26971 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20497; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:48:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20284; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20271; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:47:56 -0400 Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id QAA29442; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904222347.QAA29442@tnt.isi.edu> From: Steven Augart To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anyone bought from Ex\Portable? List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone done business with a company called Ex\Portable in Kirkland, Washington? They have an attractive price ($1995) on a new Thinkpad PII/233. The Better Business Bureau for the area has no complaints listed against them, and the Washington State business license office says that they've been in business for three years. Thanks, --Steve Augart -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 02:06:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00234 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06691; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06472; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06453; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (24.130.1.15 -> lsmls02.we.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:02:12 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (we-24-130-65-179.we.mediaone.net [24.130.65.179]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18398; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37200CC3.229145CC@ISI.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:01:39 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 600 SDRAM: buying advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone on the list used third-party vendors for TP 600 SDRAM modules? Any particular recommendations? Anything to look for in particular? Thanks, --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 05:03:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA01094 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13978; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:01:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13827; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13813; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:01:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA19803; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Mark Allison , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory Problem In-Reply-To: <371FA738.DA3203F6@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hey Bill, I think the 385ED he mentions is the same 2635-5EU that I have... I have 80 megs in mines but isn't there anyway to go higher than 80 megs? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Mark.. > > oops.. sorry.. > i was thinking of the 365.. > the 380/385 Models - 2635-EAU/FAU/HGU/JGU/HBU/JBU/JCU support the 128meg part.. > all the 385 should support the 64meg part that is used in the 560.. > BUT > at one time, some manufacturers made a specific part for the 560.. > > so, i suppose the answer might be a question, what brand is this 64meg part..?? > > Mark Allison wrote: > > > I just bought a used 64mg ram chip from a friend. It works fine in his 560, > > and is supposed to work in my 385ED. However, it only shows up as a 32mg > > chip in my bios and under Windows 95. It works fine as a 32mg chip, but when > > I try to run the memory test at system startup, the memory test finds an > > error and won't run. Again, it runs perfectly on my friend's 560. Does > > anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark Allison > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 13:47:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06074 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24003; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23719; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23691; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:43:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-1.gate.net [199.227.20.128]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA81830; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3720B13A.541C26CC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:43:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 SDRAM: buying advice References: <37200CC3.229145CC@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Apricorn is thinkpad proven, goldenram is IBM approved (and sells memory to IBM), most major brands have lifetime warranties.. IMO avoid no name memory.. prices are low so don't be penny wise and pound foolish.. Steven Augart wrote: > Has anyone on the list used third-party vendors for TP 600 SDRAM > modules? > Any particular recommendations? Anything to look for in particular? > > Thanks, > > --Steve Augart -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 14:09:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06448 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25619; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:07:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25431; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25350; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:59 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a295.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.169]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07805; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904231806.OAA07805@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a295.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.169] 209.198.81.169 Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:58:45 -0400 To: os2user@os2ss.com, hardware@os2ss.com (os2ss_hardware), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: **IBM No Longer Supports the OS2 Operating System for Thinkpads.** This is what Thinkpad support told me this afternoon when I tried to tell them there is a bug in the Mwave modem drivers for the TP 600E. Guess my next e-mail goes to Gerstner about how putting drivers on the website is an inducement to get buyers and not supporting them, is consumer fraud. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 16:40:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08453 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05728; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:38:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05591; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05576; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:38:37 -0400 Received: from mmakw (slip-32-100-39-29.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.29]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA85762 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:38:17 GMT Message-ID: <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> From: "Donald Mak" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:41:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > There is a lukewarm review of the TP570 in today's Technology column in the > Wall Street Journal by Walter Mossberg. > > "The problem is that for mobile users like me, who like to throw an external > floppy and CD-ROM into their checked luggage just in case they're needed, > the new base is a pain in the neck. It weighs nearly three pounds -- without > the laptop -- when fitted with a floppy and CD-ROM drive, and takes up lots > of room in a suitcase." Actually I think the 570 is a great idea. I personally use 770 series as I need as close to desktop replacement as possible and the 770 delivers that. In fact I can't remember the last time I used my desktop. (hmm, maybe I should sell it..) There are the rare occasions that I do not need the CD, DVD or Ultrabay at all. The 570 is perfect in this respect as it is an ultraportable but with the base unit it is no bigger than the 770. So depending upon my needs I can travel accordingly. There are some smaller units out there but they really don't offer anywhere close to the expandability. Given what they can pack into these small form factors it really is amazing... Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 17:45:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09280 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09821; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:43:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09579; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.mpi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09405; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.mpi.com (199.94.178.4 -> gatekeeper.mpi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:42:15 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.mpi.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11097 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gatekeeper.mpi.com: news set sender to using -f Received: from mail(199.93.192.90) by gatekeeper via smap (V2.1) id xma011087; Fri, 23 Apr 99 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from sparc120.mpi.com (sparc120.mpi.com [192.168.89.69]) by mail.mpi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29395 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from leroy@localhost) by sparc120.mpi.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA21779; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14112.59492.778714.491057@sparc120.mpi.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Christophe Leroy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 / linux / irq-s In-Reply-To: <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> References: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 20.2.2 List-Unsubscribe: hi! I have dual-boot TP600 linux/win 95. For some reason, I had to switch my pcmcia card configuration on win 95 ... and of course, linux is not happy at all ! But when I try to change /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia to add PCIC_OPTS="irq_list=9,11" in single user mode ... the next time I boot, the whole thing freezes (as usual, since I changed the IRQs), and when booting again in single user-mode, the file /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia seems to have been restored to a default value. Moreover, if I try to write a file in /etc/sysconfig, the file is not there when I boot. can you help me ? thanks ! christophe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 18:11:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09520 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11302; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11150; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11134; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-189.usc.edu [128.125.223.189]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA06788; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:07:47 -0700 To: "Donald Mak" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> References: <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:41 PM 4/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >Actually I think the 570 is a great idea. I personally use 770 series as I >need as close to desktop >replacement as possible and the 770 delivers that. Quick question: What does the 770 do for you that a 600 can't? Okay, video capture and hardware MPEG decoding. Anything else? To my knowledge, the answer to that question is "No". Well, except for an additional 2 lbs. in weight and another inch of thickness. >There are the rare occasions that I do not need the CD, DVD or Ultrabay at >all. The 570 is perfect in this respect as it is an ultraportable but with >the base unit it is no bigger than the 770. So depending upon my needs I can >travel accordingly. I find it telling that you are a 770 owner singing the praises of the 570's potential, while the rest of us who have been nailing the 570 for being nothing to crow about are 560 and 600 owners (or 701 owners, or some other small notebook like the Sony 505). What it tells me is you don't know what its really like to have a truly small, yet capable machine. Furthermore, you probably haven't used the hybrid small-but-full-featured machines like the 600. Here's the bottom line: Have it all--have a 600. It'll replace the desktop as well as a 770 (certainly as well as a 570 w/ base) and yet you can bring all those features in a thin & light package if you need them when you hit the road--all in 1.4" thick & 5.5 lbs. Don't need 'em? Pull the CD & insert the spacer--your machine is down to 5 lbs. So the question all of us are asking is...why buy a 570? What's the point? It saves me 1 lb. & 0.3" when its stripped to the bone, yet *adds* a full inch and 1.5 lbs. if I want it outfitted as well as the 600. Truly, instead of bringing us the best of both worlds (the ultralights and the full-featured's like the 770), it delivers to us the worst of both worlds. Its not nearly thin & light enough when stripped to compete with the rest of the thin & light market, and when its decked out, its a huge behemoth tank like the 770. What's the point? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 20:25:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10583 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18292; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18191; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18177; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (205.177.191.50 -> mercury.area54.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08947; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Sender: michael@mercury.area54.net To: Christophe Leroy cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 / linux / irq-s In-Reply-To: <14112.59492.778714.491057@sparc120.mpi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Try sync'ing the drive beforing shuting dow. I.E. sync sync sync On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Christophe Leroy wrote: > > hi! > I have dual-boot TP600 linux/win 95. > For some reason, I had to switch my pcmcia card configuration > on win 95 ... and of course, linux is not happy at all ! > > But when I try to change > /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia > to add > > PCIC_OPTS="irq_list=9,11" > > in single user mode ... > > the next time I boot, the whole thing freezes (as usual, since I > changed the IRQs), > and when booting again in single user-mode, the file > /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia seems to have been restored to a default value. > > Moreover, if I try to write a file in /etc/sysconfig, the file is not > there when I boot. > > > can you help me ? > > thanks ! > > christophe > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 23:14:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11825 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24814; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24649; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hipmail2.gohip.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24633; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hipmail2.gohip.com (209.48.69.57 -> hipmail2.gohip.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:12:25 -0400 Received: by hipmail2.gohip.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with hipmail1.gohip.com id UAA17367; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:12:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:12:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "wilson yip" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: I suppose one has to be content that they post drivers at all for OS/2 for the different models. The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas there is for Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection of their OS. >From: >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:58:45 -0400 >Subject: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads > >**IBM No Longer Supports the OS2 Operating System for Thinkpads.** > >This is what Thinkpad support told me this afternoon when I tried to tell >them there is a bug in the Mwave modem drivers for the TP 600E. > >Guess my next e-mail goes to Gerstner about how putting drivers on the >website is an inducement to get buyers and not supporting them, is >consumer fraud. > >_____________ >letoured@sover.net ------------------------------------------------------------ Insingapore.com Mail - Powered by GoHip! http://www.gohip.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 23:28:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12002 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25682; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25552; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25539; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:27:10 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA09948 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:27:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:26:30 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> References: <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 03:07 PM 4/23/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >Quick question: What does the 770 do for you that a 600 can't? 1) Max HD Capacity If I were constrained to a single drive of 6.4G, I would be nearly out of space *right now*. The 770ED has enough disk space to handle multiple simultaneous OS installs. 2) Screen Size I *like* having a bigger screen. I had a brief look at the newer 1280x1024 770 screens at CDW the other day. It looks really nice. Next time, I would be sorely tempted to go for the slightly smaller screen for the higher resolution. 3) 2nd Battery Capability Every now and then, *long* battery operation can be handy. My business partner makes fun of me with my "big" notebook computer. He has a really small Sony (VIAO?). It's a very nice package for the road. But, he does not mind maintaining multiple systems for multiple tasks. If he needs to take a development environment on the road, the Sony just doesn't cut it the way my 770ED does. OTOH, I prefer to maintain as few computers as possible. I keep my 770ED up to date with current drivers, patches, and software versions. My desktop gets pretty much ignored, except for things that might impact my wife's solitaire or Email, or its ability to effectively act as a file server. My TP755CE is basically waiting for me to migrate a few last pieces of information to my 770ED, before getting a new lease on life as a Linux box. The business' Compaq notebook (which I hate) is around only for its NT WinCE development environment. (I have not yet purchased the WinCE development update for VC++ 6 that's installed on my 770ED. The Compaq is still running VC++ 5.) One system. It has what I need on it when I need it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNyE52m8pw+2/9pUJEQLiGACgztOnmEIOA1OF073oqx1xi7BWldQAoNwZ 9d0oQFfIdq4rZBB1Gehof2iH =x5Hd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 23 23:30:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12019 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25967; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25812; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25798; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:29:09 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA09991 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990423222832.00850520@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:28:32 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 08:12 PM 4/23/99 -0700, wilson yip wrote: >The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas >there is for Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection >of their OS. Not necessarily. It could be speaking volumes about IBM's own rejection of their Mwave modem technology. (a happy 3Com/MHz modem on 770ED user) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNyE6Wm8pw+2/9pUJEQI3TwCdHzzxGP1plQWB1SP8YoUwUDI9DgUAoJcK Ghl6bxL2KImTc4FqVRVzX7RL =L5H3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 00:54:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12535 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29498; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29302; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29287; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.104 -> pilot004.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:52:35 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-06.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.160]) by pilot004.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA33104 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:52:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990424005329.0087d740@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:53:29 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990423222832.00850520@popmail.mcs.net> References: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Given that this was originally an announcement about OS/2, I think IBM has given in to market pressures on this, and admitted that OS/2 is simply not relevant (or profitable) any more. Can someone explain what the MWave modem is? I have a 1451 i series TP and wonder if my modem is that kind? tnx STeve At 10:28 PM 4/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >At 08:12 PM 4/23/99 -0700, wilson yip wrote: >>The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas >>there is for Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection >>of their OS. > >Not necessarily. It could be speaking volumes about IBM's own rejection of >their Mwave modem technology. > >(a happy 3Com/MHz modem on 770ED user) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 >Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers > >iQA/AwUBNyE6Wm8pw+2/9pUJEQI3TwCdHzzxGP1plQWB1SP8YoUwUDI9DgUAoJcK >Ghl6bxL2KImTc4FqVRVzX7RL >=L5H3 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >-- >Ron. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 00:59:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12578 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29893; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29743; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29652; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:24 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-012.usc.edu [128.125.223.12]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA04418; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:56:37 -0700 To: Ron Heiby , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> References: <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:26 PM 4/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:07 PM 4/23/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >>Quick question: What does the 770 do for you that a 600 can't? > >1) Max HD Capacity > If I were constrained to a single drive of 6.4G, I would be > nearly out of space *right now*. The 770ED has enough disk > space to handle multiple simultaneous OS installs. OK, fair counter. But with 10+ GB being offered in the extra-slim HD form factor, most people don't consider that a serious issue. Unless you're doing video capture & editing, I suppose. >2) Screen Size > I *like* having a bigger screen. I had a brief look at the > newer 1280x1024 770 screens at CDW the other day. It looks > really nice. Next time, I would be sorely tempted to go > for the slightly smaller screen for the higher resolution. I have news for you: 13.3" vs. 14.1" isn't noticable. Unless perhaps you have the two screen sizes next to each other for direct comparison. Higher resolution is nice, but again...I have a hard time getting overly excited about the difference between XGA and SXGA. It *is* noticeable, but I suspect most of us don't consider it a big deal, and in some sense, perhaps even a detriment. That's a lot of pixels shoved into a pretty small amount of screen real estate. Not much good to have the pixels if you end up making all the text & windows larger just so you can see things. >3) 2nd Battery Capability > Every now and then, *long* battery operation can be handy. The newer 600's have this too. But I still think its a silly thing to worry about having the 2nd battery "on line" at all times. I can do a 2nd battery with my original 600 too. It just takes me about 20 seconds to suspend and hotswap it. Big deal. Do note that on all three of these items, the 570 has the same limitations. >One system. It has what I need on it when I need it. I suspect that if you *really* want to have a lighter-weight/smaller machine without giving up the good stuff (or making it as large & heavy as your 770 is to match those capabilities), you should give some serious consideration to the 600 series. You'll find it a welcome lighter edition of your 770 while not sacrificing everything to *be* light the way the 560/570 does. At any rate, I still fail to see how the 570 would better meet your needs. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 01:24:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12708 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00999; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00842; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00821; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:45 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea5t.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.189]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA32266 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The SXGA screen is unbelievable! You should be overly excited because there is probably a chance that someday this screen form will make it down to the 600 series. I'll bet that you will buy it then. Remember also that 770X and Z's have 8mb of video RAM. That's a big deal to those of us who handle CAD and large graphics files. Bill Armstrong 770Z owner -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 12:57 AM To: Ron Heiby; TP List Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement At 10:26 PM 4/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > I have news for you: 13.3" vs. 14.1" isn't noticable. Unless perhaps you have the two screen sizes next to each other for direct comparison. Higher resolution is nice, but again...I have a hard time getting overly excited about the difference between XGA and SXGA. It *is* noticeable, but I suspect most of us don't consider it a big deal, and in some sense, perhaps even a detriment. That's a lot of pixels shoved into a pretty small amount of screen real estate. Not much good to have the pixels if you end up making all the text & windows larger just so you can see things. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 01:36:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12778 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01482; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:35:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01361; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01348; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (209.142.0.209 -> pager.inreach.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:35:12 -0400 Received: from jerryray (209-142-5-11.stk.inreach.net [209.142.5.11]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id WAA08086 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904240522.WAA08086@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Jerry & Janice Ray" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:31:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding together to force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry djmusic@inreach.com We have Better Business Bureau Attorney Generals Office Federal Trades Commission From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 01:45:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12827 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02092; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:43:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01927; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01914; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:43:51 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-012.usc.edu [128.125.223.12]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA10313; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990423223544.00afbc60@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:43:09 -0700 To: , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:24 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >The SXGA screen is unbelievable! You should be overly excited because there >is probably a chance that someday this screen form will make it down to the >600 series. I'll bet that you will buy it then. I won't go out of my way to *avoid* SXGA per se. > Remember also that 770X >and Z's have 8mb of video RAM. That's a big deal to those of us who handle >CAD and large graphics files. If you think the video memory does anything more than affect color depth capability for a given resolution, then you are mistaken. That is, (for instance) if you have an XGA screen and 8 MB video memory, you're not going to be looking at this big JPEGs any faster than if you had 4 MB of video ram. 4 MB is more than enough at XGA to be at full 24-bit color depth. Now for certain 3D functions, additional video memory is useful for cacheing texture maps, but generally this use is generally quite limited in use to 3D games (in which case, you have an awfully expensive fun & games machine). - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 05:49:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14005 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16646; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16452; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16427; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:45:45 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-2.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.2]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA16979 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990424055005.01635dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:50:05 -0400 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990423223544.00afbc60@rcf.usc.edu> References: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:43 PM 4/23/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 01:24 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >>The SXGA screen is unbelievable! You should be overly excited because there >>is probably a chance that someday this screen form will make it down to the >>600 series. I'll bet that you will buy it then. > > I won't go out of my way to *avoid* SXGA per se. Don't, it is great. The extra resolution is fantastic, unless you have the worst eyes on the world. I've have 20/30 vision, and I can see it fine, though without the need for glasses. >> Remember also that 770X >>and Z's have 8mb of video RAM. That's a big deal to those of us who handle >>CAD and large graphics files. > > If you think the video memory does anything more than affect color depth >capability for a given resolution, then you are mistaken. > > That is, (for instance) if you have an XGA screen and 8 MB video memory, >you're not going to be looking at this big JPEGs any faster than if you had >4 MB of video ram. 4 MB is more than enough at XGA to be at full 24-bit >color depth. > I would think they meant the 8megs of video ram is great for handling more color depths @ 1280x1024, not rendering speed or Photoshop heaven. I don't see a mention of graphically accelerated chipsets anywhere. Of course the z series only seems capable of 8,16 and 32-bit color. @ 32-bit, it drops its resolution to 1024x768. 16-bit @ 1280x1024. Perplexing....can anyone explain *why* the z series doesn't handle 1280x1024@32-bit or why the chipset doesn't support 24-bit?? Am I missing something?? :) > Now for certain 3D functions, additional video memory is useful for >cacheing texture maps, but generally this use is generally quite limited in >use to 3D games (in which case, you have an awfully expensive fun & games >machine). Alas the Inspirion and it's Rage chipset has the memory (8 megs) and graphics power to truly allow a portable to play games at decent frame rates. :) If someone purchased a Thinkpad to play games, um, I can sell them a MUCH cheaper desktop that will trounce it into the ground (unless they get a SelectaDock III and slap a good PCI Voodoo2/3 or TNT card in there in which case the Thinkpad becomes a kicka@@ game machine). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 05:50:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14018 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16860; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:49:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16676; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16534; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:47:44 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-2.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.2]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA20515 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990424055200.01635dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:52:00 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:12 PM 4/23/99 -0700, wilson yip wrote: >I suppose one has to be content that they post drivers at all for OS/2 for the >different models. >The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas there is for >Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection of their OS. IBM didn't reject it. The consumer market did. :( Don't you hate it when an inferior product buries a valid, more robust, solid product? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 10:09:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15199 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24322; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:08:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24164; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24151; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:08:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:08:02 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a285.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.159]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08218; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904241407.KAA08218@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a285.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.159] 209.198.81.159 Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:56:19 -0400 To: "wilson yip" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas there >is for Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection of their OS. No. Its the echo of monopoly power. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 13:02:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16462 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29533; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:01:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29355; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29333; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:01:14 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25205 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 24 Apr 99 19:01:10 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 24 Apr 99 19:00:42 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.81) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 24 Apr 99 19:00:37 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:02:03 -0100 Message-Id: <199904241902.0338207.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:37:54 -0500 (MET) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:12:21 -0700, wilson yip wrote: Hi! >I suppose one has to be content that they post drivers at all for OS/2 for the >different models. No, one must not. I've bought a ThinkPad 760. Ok that's a bit old now, but considering the price it must stay some days... And on that machine OS/2 is "Supported Platform". (I'm not shure if NT is supported platform there. I mean officially.) And if I buy a machine from IBM where this or that is "supported" than I don't think of the ability to search arround IBM's intranet to get a driver. By support I mean something diffrent. And I told that IBM, too. (Without reaction.) >The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas there is for >Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection of their OS. Unfortunately some of these hints are quite clear... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Germany #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or Alexander.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, also if some other adresses may appear. Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 15:16:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17398 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04306; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:11:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04197; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04178; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (171.71.112.28 -> stars.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:11:00 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA23784; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990424150559.00880660@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Count me in. I would have, of course, been overjoyed for them to have even come across with this as a mistake -- but it just didn't happen. I doubt that ANY of us would want to have to back up, with cold, hard cash, every comment we've ever made. A typo -- nothin' more. Let it die. My $.02 worth... Ken On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:05:59 -0400 > From: STeve Andre' > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > I must say, I agree. Which is the greater fraud--the attempted selling > of a TP for a fantasy price, or the attempted forcing of the dealer to > actually get that price? > > You have to prove that you were damaged in order to succeed. Other > than heart palpatations at the thought of getting one for that price, > you can't. > > This is not a reasonable thing to fight and harms the cause of *real* fraud. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 11:40 AM 4/24/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: > >> Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from > >> accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 > >> please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding > >> together to > >> force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry > >> djmusic@inreach.com > >> We have Better Business Bureau > >> Attorney Generals Office > >> Federal Trades Commission > > > >Oh, let it go. Somebody made a mistake--an obvious mistake to anyone who is > >familiar with ThinkPad pricing. And now you want to use force (your word) to > >compel them to honor their typographical error? > > > >I'd have more sympathy for your cause if you could explain how you were > >harmed by this mistake. > > > >-Mike > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 15:27:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17509 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02800; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:40:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02597; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02584; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:40:17 -0400 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA13862 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:40:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 13822 invoked from network); 24 Apr 1999 18:40:09 -0000 Received: from mg130-063.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.179.130.63) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 18:40:09 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:40:07 -0700 Message-Id: <001101be8e81$e0492d10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904240522.WAA08086@mail.inreach.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from > accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 > please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding > together to > force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry > djmusic@inreach.com > We have Better Business Bureau > Attorney Generals Office > Federal Trades Commission Oh, let it go. Somebody made a mistake--an obvious mistake to anyone who is familiar with ThinkPad pricing. And now you want to use force (your word) to compel them to honor their typographical error? I'd have more sympathy for your cause if you could explain how you were harmed by this mistake. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 15:27:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17514 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03879; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:04:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03735; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03722; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:04:48 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.111]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA39766 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:04:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990424150559.00880660@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:05:59 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <001101be8e81$e0492d10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <199904240522.WAA08086@mail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I must say, I agree. Which is the greater fraud--the attempted selling of a TP for a fantasy price, or the attempted forcing of the dealer to actually get that price? You have to prove that you were damaged in order to succeed. Other than heart palpatations at the thought of getting one for that price, you can't. This is not a reasonable thing to fight and harms the cause of *real* fraud. --STeve Andre' At 11:40 AM 4/24/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from >> accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 >> please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding >> together to >> force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry >> djmusic@inreach.com >> We have Better Business Bureau >> Attorney Generals Office >> Federal Trades Commission > >Oh, let it go. Somebody made a mistake--an obvious mistake to anyone who is >familiar with ThinkPad pricing. And now you want to use force (your word) to >compel them to honor their typographical error? > >I'd have more sympathy for your cause if you could explain how you were >harmed by this mistake. > >-Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 15:49:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17701 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05822; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05682; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05669; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:31 -0400 Received: from ibm ([12.79.1.43]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990424194828.GUNJ5245@ibm>; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:48:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3722200E.2EBE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:48:30 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: djmusic@inreach.com, thinkpad Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <001101be8e81$e0492d10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You are allowing your greed to get the best of your god judgement. Michael Geary wrote: > > > Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from > > accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 > > please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding > > together to > > force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry > > djmusic@inreach.com > > We have Better Business Bureau > > Attorney Generals Office > > Federal Trades Commission > > Oh, let it go. Somebody made a mistake--an obvious mistake to anyone who is > familiar with ThinkPad pricing. And now you want to use force (your word) to > compel them to honor their typographical error? > > I'd have more sympathy for your cause if you could explain how you were > harmed by this mistake. > > -Mike > > Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 15:56:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17767 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06291; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:55:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06095; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate3.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06073; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate3.ricochet.net (204.179.143.7 -> rgate3.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:54:58 -0400 Received: from zorro (mg139-089.ricochet.net [204.179.139.89]) by rgate3.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10115; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:54:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019901be8e8c$47b432b0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Cc: References: Subject: Incitement to commit a crime... Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: One more vote to forget this cheap ThinkPad deal... If they had been silly enough to send the units out at that price, I would have been happy to accept one. It's another thing altogether to gang up on anyone and threaten (however veiled the threat) to use legal force, to cause them to harm themselves. This is central to one of the hard truths of the American Dream. If someone knowingly offers a good deal as a loss leader, it is fine to take advantage of that deal. It is, however, inappropriate to prey on another person's weakness. Interesting morality issue here. Sort of like the idea that it is OK to submit false claims to an insurance company, because they are a faceless corporation and can afford it. Jerry, your email was close to incitement to defraud. You would be well advised to back off. Consider yourself ganged-up-on! David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 20:00:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19930 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14632; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:57:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14426; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14413; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (192.195.85.203 -> roadrunner.sig.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:57:15 -0400 Received: from cueve (dynamic23.fbtc.net [204.2.11.23]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00974; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:57:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00f701be8eae$145f5bc0$170b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:56:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I suspect the law is on your side. But why not give the poor guys a break? They've done nothing wrong. You know you were taking advantage of their inadvertant error when you made the purchase. I might have been tempted to place an order at that price if I had seen it in time. But I surely wouldn't protest if they said no. I'm not even sure I'd have placed the order. Maybe. I wouldn't be proud of it though. And what if you succeed and put them out of business? Stranger things have happened. Educalc, a long time calculator mail order store with a great reputation and a large, loyal following went out of business last year because of a theft of $40,000. After 20 years they shut their doors. They were just not big enough to handle that. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Jerry & Janice Ray To: thinkpad Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 12:31 AM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB >Hello ,To the people who purchased the above computer on 4-14-99 from >accessmicro.com and were told it was a typographacial error on 4-16-99 >please contact me. We will probably have more leverage power banding >together to >force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry >djmusic@inreach.com >We have Better Business Bureau >Attorney Generals Office >Federal Trades Commission > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 20:59:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20333 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16190; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16081; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16060; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:57:50 -0400 Received: from cia-g.com (gup-108-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.231]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14497; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37226828.D29E854A@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:56:08 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Ologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Marks CC: djmusic@inreach.com, thinkpad Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <00f701be8eae$145f5bc0$170b02cc@cueve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Normally I would agree with you, but this outfit does this all the time. They have such a history of typos and other errors that it appears to be more of a bait and swithch. I don't agree that people should get an outrageously low priced computer, but something must be done to stop this. I read in one of the business magazines that they had more than $300,000 in "errors" in March and April. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 21:09:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20397 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17008; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16635; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16619; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:05 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p45.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.156]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13158; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904250108.SAA13158@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jimani" Cc: "jloyless@netbox.com" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 18:03:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:03:39 -0600, Jimani wrote: >Right, but we aren't supposed to be using html on this list. We have many >users who are Linux and many more who are PINE and Pegasus or other >university linked users who cannot read html at their sites. > Or even those like myself with a GUI mailreader, but that doesn't understand Microsoft's proprietary attachements (from Outlook), or HTML... >It doesn't hurt to publish the subscribe/unsubscribe once in a while. There >has certainly been a lot of confusion from users over the past three years. > Or maybe to also have an unsubscribe method at the END of each email... That's how it is on another list I'm on... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude12 (usually) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 21:10:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20403 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17073; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16673; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16632; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:09 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p45.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.156]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13165 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904250108.SAA13165@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 18:04:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad naming scheme List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering - is it just me, or does it seem that a lot of ThinkPads are named after IBM mainframes and mini's, ie, 360, 370, 380, 390, 701, 340, etc... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude12 (usually) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 21:11:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20414 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17461; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16919; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16812; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:07:51 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p45.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.156]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13147; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904250108.SAA13147@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bruce Komar" , "Jane Loyless" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 18:00:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:13 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Komar wrote: >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > >> This list does better than that - the unsubscribe information is in the >> header of every note you receive. > >Not true. Or at least not viewable by my mail reader (Pine). It would be >nice to provide the information as the original post suggested. As other >lists do. I don't know why it is alway an "issue" on this list? > Try telling Pine to display headers - that would help... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude12 (usually) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 21:12:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20419 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17577; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17052; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16940; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:08:26 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p45.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.156]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13151; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904250108.SAA13151@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "Jimani" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 99 18:00:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:54 -0600, Jimani wrote: >Not found in my headers... or footers > Well, it should be the LAST line in your headers... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude12 (usually) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 21:36:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20595 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18789; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:35:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18688; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18670; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (192.195.85.203 -> roadrunner.sig.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:35:17 -0400 Received: from cueve (dynamic23.fbtc.net [204.2.11.23]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14899; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <013001be8ebb$c7162b60$170b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "Ray Bay" Cc: , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:34:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: $300 computer adds that they actually fill till they catch the mistake doesn't sound like bait and switch to me. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bay To: Barry Marks Cc: djmusic@inreach.com ; thinkpad Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB >Normally I would agree with you, but this outfit does this all the time. >They have such a history of typos and other errors that it appears to be >more of a bait and swithch. > >I don't agree that people should get an outrageously low priced computer, >but something must be done to stop this. I read in one of the business >magazines that they had more than $300,000 in "errors" in March and April. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Apr 24 23:24:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA21197 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21803; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21597; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21581; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:21 -0400 Received: from fatman (user-38lcp7f.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.100.239]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00926 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990424232214.007f1b30@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lewj@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:22:14 -0400 To: "thinkpad" From: Lew Jansen Subject: RE: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <001101be8e81$e0492d10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <199904240522.WAA08086@mail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: More to the point, from my fuzzy recollection of Contract Law class when I was getting my business degree, this case wouldn't stand a chance. I don't see how you could argue that anyone ordering at the $314 price had any reason to believe the price was "real". It was obviously "too good to be true", and therefore "had" to be a typographical error on the part of the vendor. Courts generally wouldn't force the seller to honor the price where the buyer knew the price was unrealistic. (I'd love to cite the case law on this, but I have no idea where my old contract law books and notes are, so I can't; take my comments for what they're worth) Had the price been much closer to market value (say the average street price was $2500 and the erroneous price was $2200), folks might have a case. However, in this situation, I would be REALLY surprised if anyone forced this company to honor that price, mostly because even the average consumer would realize it was far less than what it ought to be. -- Lew At 11:40 AM 4/24/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> [...snip...] We will probably have more leverage power banding >> together to >> force this company to honor their advertising.Thanks Jerry >> djmusic@inreach.com >> We have Better Business Bureau >> Attorney Generals Office >> Federal Trades Commission > >Oh, let it go. Somebody made a mistake--an obvious mistake to anyone who is >familiar with ThinkPad pricing. And now you want to use force (your word) to >compel them to honor their typographical error? > >I'd have more sympathy for your cause if you could explain how you were >harmed by this mistake. > >-Mike > >Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lewj@mindspring.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 08:43:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23598 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14459; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14128; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14115; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (195.166.128.29 -> cask.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 26408 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 12:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 12:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1842 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 12:31:52 -0000 Received: from 214.hiper04.access.free-online.net (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.116.214) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 12:31:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01be8f18$d22e7680$d67438d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bay" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <00f701be8eae$145f5bc0$170b02cc@cueve> <37226828.D29E854A@cia-g.com> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:40:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: As much as I hate to get involved in this thread, I agree 100% with Ray. The ecommerce industry wants to be self-regulating, but this kind of thing is common, and is too often followed by some sort of weak excuse. I personally think it is even more irritating online than in a print ad. Moreover, in the volatile world of computer equipment - especially when looking for closeouts - one often can't predict whether a price is real or not, and such ads can keep one from placing an order in a timely fashion from another source. Some of the biggest, cheapest virtual stores engage in a variety of nasty practices which likely contribute to their competitive edge over other sources. I'm thinking in particular of buycomp, but this might apply in the current case as well. The company should make some sort of goodwill gesture, e.g. some sort of discount on a future purchase. A bit of pressure (BBB etc seems very appropriate to me) might make this happen, as well as induce them to put a bit more care in their online catalogue. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Bay To: Barry Marks Cc: ; thinkpad Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:56 AM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > Normally I would agree with you, but this outfit does this all the time. > They have such a history of typos and other errors that it appears to be > more of a bait and swithch. > > I don't agree that people should get an outrageously low priced computer, > but something must be done to stop this. I read in one of the business > magazines that they had more than $300,000 in "errors" in March and April. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 08:44:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23604 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14456; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:41:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14173; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14155; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:40:57 -0400 Received: from pritzr (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02571 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990425083719.009f0f00@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:41:51 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I currently use an old 560 - 133 mhz, 1 gb drive, 40mb ram. I almost never use the floppy drive and use a cd-rom only to install software. To me, the 570 is a bigger, faster, better version of what I have. I understand why those who want a lighter machine or those who use a cdrom with some frequency might prefer other models, but the 570 seems to be exactly what I want. Am I missing something? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 10:12:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24030 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16452; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:11:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16367; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16353; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:10:57 -0400 Received: from slip139-92-53-209.vi.at.ibm.net (slip139-92-53-209.vi.at.ibm.net [139.92.53.209]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA55934 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:10:44 GMT Message-Id: <199904251410.OAA55934@out2.ibm.net> From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:09:40 +0200 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP600] Linux Suspend Problem List-Unsubscribe: Hi When waking up from suspend mode, the hardware lockup password shows up, but I can not type anything. Linux DOES accept my keystrokes in the background (e.g. I can type reboot and the machine reboots), but all I see is the Thinkpad-BIOS-password prompt. On my machine, supervisor & hard disk & hardware password are enabled. I am running RedHat Linux 5.2 (kernel 2.00.26), APM support compiled into the kernel. The problem occurs both if I suspend using the apm utility, and the Fn-keys. Any ideas? Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 13:59:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25739 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08319; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:57:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08126; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08110; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrunner.sig.net (192.195.85.203 -> roadrunner.sig.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:57:12 -0400 Received: from cueve (dynamic54.fbtc.net [204.2.11.54]) by roadrunner.sig.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA12152; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006801be8f44$eebf11c0$360b02cc@cueve> From: "Barry Marks" To: "David Ross" , "Ray Bay" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:56:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: They made a mistake. What is the big deal about that? You'll make a mistake someday, too. :) Barry -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: Ray Bay Cc: thinkpad Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 7:40 AM Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB >As much as I hate to get involved in this thread, I agree 100% with Ray. The ecommerce industry wants to be self-regulating, but >this kind of thing is common, and is too often followed by some sort of weak excuse. I personally think it is even more irritating >online than in a print ad. >Moreover, in the volatile world of computer equipment - especially when looking for closeouts - one often can't predict whether a >price is real or not, and such ads can keep one >from placing an order in a timely fashion from another source. > >Some of the biggest, cheapest virtual stores engage in a variety of nasty practices which likely contribute to their competitive >edge over other sources. I'm thinking in particular of buycomp, but this might apply in the current case as well. > >The company should make some sort of goodwill gesture, e.g. some sort of discount on a future purchase. A bit of pressure (BBB etc >seems very appropriate to me) might make this happen, as well as induce them to put a bit more care in their online catalogue. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ray Bay >To: Barry Marks >Cc: ; thinkpad >Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:56 AM >Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > >> Normally I would agree with you, but this outfit does this all the time. >> They have such a history of typos and other errors that it appears to be >> more of a bait and swithch. >> >> I don't agree that people should get an outrageously low priced computer, >> but something must be done to stop this. I read in one of the business >> magazines that they had more than $300,000 in "errors" in March and April. >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 15:10:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26257 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10734; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:09:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10561; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10530; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.95.209.24 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:08:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 21814 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 19:08:26 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:08:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11483 invoked by uid 5); 25 Apr 1999 19:08:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19990425190816.11481.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for multiple addresses; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:56:43 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "r.alfalla@att.net" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:56:42 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <19990422205106.DNFY20665@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760cd Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:50:53 +0000, r.alfalla@att.net wrote: >My keyboard has finally got the sticking keys >i've heard so much about on this seies of TP. I still had warranty on mine (760ED/765D), so I went to a ThinkPad Repair center and had them change the keyboard. If your warranty is over, you can buy the replacement keyboard, it's about $50 AFAIK. --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 16:16:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26765 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13399; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13241; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13228; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:14:38 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA20671; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:14:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990425130319.0084ac00@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:03:19 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement Cc: Randal Whittle In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Randy. I didn't start this discussion. Just chimed in. At 09:56 PM 4/23/99 -0700, Randy wrote: >At 10:26 PM 4/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >>1) Max HD Capacity > OK, fair counter. But with 10+ GB being offered I don't own a 600, so do not know anything about them beyond what I've read on the mailing list or can see on the IBM web site. For my message, I was going by what IBM's web site claimed to be available. I saw no drive larger than a 6.4, which is smaller than the 8.1 I have in my 770 and is certainly smaller than the 14.something currently offered for the 770. When you consider the fact that the 770 allows two such drives to be mounted, the difference is even more substantial. >>2) Screen Size > I have news for you: 13.3" vs. 14.1" isn't noticable. Our opinions seem to differ on this point. > Higher resolution is nice, but again...I have a hard time >getting overly excited about the difference between XGA and SXGA. Another difference of opinion. I opted for the 1024x768 based on the fact that I could get what amounted to a "close out" price on the 770ED. If the price of the higher resolution screen version had been within a couple hundred dollars (rather than a couple thousand), I would probably have bought the higher resolution. Now, having actually *seen* the higher resolution screen, I certainly would pay a few hundred more for it. >>3) 2nd Battery Capability > The newer 600's have this too. I couldn't find any mention of that on their web site. >It just takes me about 20 seconds to suspend and hotswap it. >Big deal. Well, if I could get suspend to work properly (allowing my PCMCIA Ethernet / Modem card to be recognized after a resume) and if the suspend / resume cycle were as short as you imply, then I would agree. However, on my 770ED, a Suspend takes (at best) 10 seconds and a Resume takes (at best) 25-30 seconds. After the Resume, I have to either re-boot or remove and re-insert my MHz Ethernet / Modem card, before it is recognized and I get to make another outgoing call. >Do note that on all three of these items, the 570 has the same >limitations. I thought we were talking about why someone might buy a 770 vs. a 600. >you should give some serious consideration to the 600 series. I did. Based upon the published specifications of the systems at the point I made my decision, the 770 had the 600 beat on everything *except* size and weight. Today, my cursory investigation at the IBM web site seems to indicate that their relative merits have remained about the same as they were four months ago. >At any rate, I still fail to see how the 570 would better meet >your needs. I don't, either. I have a 770 and like it. I don't think that *either* the 570 or 600 would better meet my needs. So, we are in agreement on this point! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNyNY5G8pw+2/9pUJEQJZrwCgrlFVfh2HdOyOMocALkiEB2mUCcQAn2Rt kYVaYixFlJ/bcOgHcu9PdJpX =z1JJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 16:25:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26821 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13953; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13828; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13814; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:16 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:24:11 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id QAA02859 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904252023.QAA02859@dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:22:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:03:19 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: >> OK, fair counter. But with 10+ GB being offered > >I don't own a 600, so do not know anything about them beyond what I've >read on the mailing list or can see on the IBM web site. For my >message, I was going by what IBM's web site claimed to be available. >I saw no drive larger than a 6.4, which is smaller than the 8.1 I have >in my 770 and is certainly smaller than the 14.something currently >offered for the 770. When you consider the fact that the 770 allows >two such drives to be mounted, the difference is even more >substantial. Remember that the 600 requires 12.7mm drives and I suspect the 770 probably uses 17mm. The thinner ones always seem to be a size behind, for pretty much the same price (i.e. when I got my 6.4 from Bill, the 8.x was available in the thicker drive). I've got two drives in my 600 now, at the cost of no internal CD, although I could swap around. andrew ------ my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 16:35:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26932 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14720; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:33:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14574; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14540; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:33:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-50.gate.net [199.227.20.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA174510; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:34:05 -0400 Message-ID: <37237BF8.87C74397@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:32:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement References: <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <4.1.19990425083719.009f0f00@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. NO, you are not missing something.. you are the customer IBM aimed that machine at.. even though i don't particularly care for the 560 it IS a nice machine and a worthy successor to the 701.. it does what it was intended to do and thats it.. personally, i like more flexability and expansion on my thinkpads, but for a narrow need you don't need more.. :-) richard wrote: > I currently use an old 560 - 133 mhz, 1 gb drive, 40mb ram. I almost never > use the floppy drive and use a cd-rom only to install software. To me, the > 570 is a bigger, faster, better version of what I have. I understand why > those who want a lighter machine or those who use a cdrom with some > frequency might prefer other models, but the 570 seems to be exactly what I > want. > > Am I missing something? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 16:54:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27059 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15905; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15768; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15749; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-50.gate.net [199.227.20.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA347554; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <372380AB.DC99D06@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement References: <199904252023.QAA02859@dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew.. you're right.. the 770 uses up to a 17mm drive, the 600 is limited to the 12.5mm drives.. there is a 10gig for the 600 available.. relatively cheap too.. i'll see my first 10gig, 12.5mm drive this week.. the 14gig drives are nice.. :-) think about the 770Z's... 28gigs and 320meg of memory, a 1280x1024 display..!! :-) Andrew Webber wrote: > On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:03:19 -0500, Ron Heiby wrote: > > >> OK, fair counter. But with 10+ GB being offered > > > >I don't own a 600, so do not know anything about them beyond what I've > >read on the mailing list or can see on the IBM web site. For my > >message, I was going by what IBM's web site claimed to be available. > >I saw no drive larger than a 6.4, which is smaller than the 8.1 I have > >in my 770 and is certainly smaller than the 14.something currently > >offered for the 770. When you consider the fact that the 770 allows > >two such drives to be mounted, the difference is even more > >substantial. > > Remember that the 600 requires 12.7mm drives and I suspect the 770 > probably uses 17mm. The thinner ones always seem to be a size > behind, for pretty much the same price (i.e. when I got my 6.4 from > Bill, the 8.x was available in the thicker drive). > > I've got two drives in my 600 now, at the cost of no internal CD, > although I could swap around. > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 17:09:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27156 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16884; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16733; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16718; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (195.166.128.29 -> cask.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:07:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 23331 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 21:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 21:04:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10823 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 20:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.112.135) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 20:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01be8f5f$b4f6f0a0$877038d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Barry Marks" , "Ray Bay" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <006801be8f44$eebf11c0$360b02cc@cueve> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:08:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > They made a mistake. What is the big deal about > that? You'll make a mistake someday, too. :) All the time, and irrelevant to my point. I'm not suggesting that they must honor this price, merely that (a) there should be some incentive for online merchants to be accurate in their online prices, and (b) they should somehow take *some* responsibility when they post an erroneous one, especially if they have an avowed policy of honoring wrong prices (as this firm apparently does). Otherwise we'll end up with an industry where everyone will post artificially low prices in their online catalogues (to stay competitive). This is a bit like the air fares published by travel agencies in newspapers (at least in the US and UK) - largely useless as a resource for the consumer. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 19:41:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28138 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22845; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:39:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22613; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22593; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (204.255.214.21 -> mailhost.capecod.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:39:49 -0400 Received: from capecod.net (camb0923.capecod.net [209.244.240.161]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22050 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3723A727.F58B5300@capecod.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:37:11 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP700C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is a TP700c compatible with a selectabase and docker II docking station? Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 21:55:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29065 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28366; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28213; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28198; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:52:33 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-075-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.155]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04114; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000b01be8f86$f543bf40$9b5242cf@raybay> From: "Brillig" To: "David Ross" , "Barry Marks" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <006801be8f44$eebf11c0$360b02cc@cueve> <001b01be8f5f$b4f6f0a0$877038d4@sierpinski> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:48:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps many members of this list do not realize how serious this is... there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about this companies suspicious performance and some states are preparing suits for consumer fraud.... this is not just a couple of typo errors according to them... this is a pattern of deception involving a lot of products over a fairly long period of time... WSJ and some of the on-line news sites say there are predictions that the company many go under... their sales are way way down... And I think this one looks like an actual error. They have apparently had to drop some employees so maybe they don't have adequate supervision and error correction yet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 22:22:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA29256 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29470; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29362; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29348; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:04 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-03.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.13]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA45690 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:20:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990425222118.0087fcb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:21:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <000b01be8f86$f543bf40$9b5242cf@raybay> References: <006801be8f44$eebf11c0$360b02cc@cueve> <001b01be8f5f$b4f6f0a0$877038d4@sierpinski> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: That may well be true, but trying to get after the company to honor its request seems dubious, at best. If they are dishonest they won't sell to you--why should they? It would be easier for them to just ignore you and go on. It seems to me the best strategy would be to put this on a web page and let others know about incidents you can document, and then point IBM towards this. I'm sure IBM wouldn't like knowing that anyone dealing their products would do this. --STeve At 07:48 PM 4/25/99 -0600, you wrote: >Perhaps many members of this list do not realize how serious this is... >there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about this companies >suspicious performance and some states are preparing suits for consumer >fraud.... this is not just a couple of typo errors according to them... this >is a pattern of deception involving a lot of products over a fairly long >period of time... WSJ and some of the on-line news sites say there are >predictions that the company many go under... their sales are way way >down... And I think this one looks like an actual error. They have >apparently had to drop some employees so maybe they don't have adequate >supervision and error correction yet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 23:20:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29651 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02468; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:18:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02241; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02227; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:18:30 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-152.usc.edu [128.125.224.152]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA22574; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:29:38 -0700 To: Ron Heiby , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990425130319.0084ac00@popmail.mcs.net> References: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:03 PM 4/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>1) Max HD Capacity >> OK, fair counter. But with 10+ GB being offered > >I don't own a 600, so do not know anything about them beyond what I've read on >the mailing list or can see on the IBM web site. For my message, I was going >by what IBM's web site claimed to be available. I saw no drive larger than a >6.4, which is smaller than the 8.1 I have in my 770 and is certainly smaller >than the 14.something currently offered for the 770. When you consider the >fact that the 770 allows two such drives to be mounted, the difference is even >more substantial. Perhaps Bill Morrow can chime in with the details on max HD size for the ultra-thins (12 mm). For the record, the 600's can have a 2nd HD in the Ultraslim Bay too--I have an adapter for doing so at a mere cost of $28 or so. >>>2) Screen Size >> I have news for you: 13.3" vs. 14.1" isn't noticable. > >Our opinions seem to differ on this point. Opinions are like belly buttons--everyone has one. ;-) But assuming the same XGA resolution, I still don't believe the 0.8" difference is anything to get excited about. At least with SXGA, there's something more substantial to it. >>>3) 2nd Battery Capability >> The newer 600's have this too. > >I couldn't find any mention of that on their web site. They do. My 600 doesn't, but mine is one of the originals. The updated models that followed after those do indeed have the 2nd Batt. capability. >>It just takes me about 20 seconds to suspend and hotswap it. >>Big deal. > >Well, if I could get suspend to work properly (allowing my PCMCIA Ethernet / >Modem card to be recognized after a resume) and if the suspend / resume cycle >were as short as you imply, then I would agree. However, on my 770ED, a >Suspend takes (at best) 10 seconds and a Resume takes (at best) 25-30 seconds. >After the Resume, I have to either re-boot or remove and re-insert my MHz >Ethernet / Modem card, before it is recognized and I get to make another >outgoing call. Back to opinions, the same certainly applies. If instead it is 40 seconds or even 60 instead of the 20 I mentioned, that's still not an issue for me. As for the card modem...its not only not a big deal to pop it out and back in again, I generally fail to see what its needed. The classic battery need is because you're not near an AC outlet...which usually means you're not near a phone or ethernet jack either. Unless you're using cellular...why do you need to reset the card? And if you're using the card...why do you need to be on battery power? My thought is when I'm on an airflight. If its 5 or 6 hours, its not a big deal for me to use one battery for 2.5 to 3, spend 60 seconds suspending, swapping, and awakening, then work for another 2.5 to 3 hours. >>Do note that on all three of these items, the 570 has the same >>limitations. > >I thought we were talking about why someone might buy a 770 vs. a 600. It sort of morphed into that, but the original thread was why anyone would bother with a 570 when a 770 owner chimed in and said he'd like one. Then we had some discussion about what the 770 had or could do that the 600 didn't. My main thrust in this thread has been that the 570 is a bad mix of features. Its not thin or light *enough* to be considered an ultralight, and when you deck it out with the rest of the stuff by adding the slice, it becomes a behemoth that apparently exceeds even a 770. Its not light enough when stripped, and when its *not* stripped its a damn monster. That ultimately led to this. :-) Most of us who have used lighter machines don't consider the differences in function to be anywhere *near* worth carrying the extra 2 lbs. & 1 inch. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 23:30:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29708 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03122; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02942; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cache-ns.duesouth.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02918; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cache-ns.duesouth.net (216.98.0.55 -> cache-ns.duesouth.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:28:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 8967 invoked from network); 26 Apr 1999 03:28:34 -0000 Received: from 216-98-9-15.p01.aiken.sc.da.duesouth.net (HELO fatmandt) (216.98.9.15) by cache-ns.duesouth.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 03:28:34 -0000 Message-ID: <004001be8f94$e93be160$02000003@fatmandt> From: "radmax" To: Subject: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:28:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE8F73.5FCF8880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE8F73.5FCF8880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just got a used DOCK II for my TP 755CE, and want to add a CD-ROM and = extra HD. Been through the manuals and IBM online and haven't been able to figure = this out. Is the DOCK 2 limited to just one IDE device?=20 They talk about multiple SCSI's but only one IDE. I remember my old desktops having a BIOS limitation of only 2 hard = drives, and then E-IDE came out.=20 With my 755 CE's INTERNAL Hard Drive counting as a first device, can I = use BOTH an IDE CD-ROM and IDE Hard Drive, or do I HAVE to go with only = one IDE and then a SCSI? The preference is for both to be IDE (cheaper, more available) If I have to go with a SCSI device, which then should I get. CD-ROM OR = Hard Drive I know the dock is a 50 pin SCSI 2, but I keep seeing adds for FAST, = WIDE, ULTRA FAST, ULTRA WIDE, and ULTRA SCSI 2? (I knew I should have paid more attention to SCSI talk 5 years ago. Any help appreciated. radmax ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE8F73.5FCF8880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just got a used DOCK II for my TP = 755CE, and=20 want to add a CD-ROM and extra HD.
Been through the manuals and IBM = online and=20 haven't been able to figure this out.  Is the DOCK 2 limited to = just one=20 IDE device? 
They talk about multiple SCSI's but only one = IDE.
I remember my old desktops having a = BIOS=20 limitation of only 2 hard drives, and then E-IDE came out.
 
With my 755 CE's INTERNAL Hard Drive counting as a = first=20 device, can I use BOTH an IDE = CD-ROM and IDE=20 Hard Drive, or do I HAVE to go with only one IDE and then a = SCSI?
The preference is for both to be IDE = (cheaper,=20 more available)
 
If I have to go with a SCSI device, = which then=20 should I get.   CD-ROM OR Hard Drive
I know the dock is a 50 pin SCSI 2, = but I keep=20 seeing adds for FAST, WIDE, ULTRA FAST, ULTRA WIDE, and ULTRA SCSI=20 2?
(I knew I should have paid more = attention to=20 SCSI talk 5 years ago.
 
Any help appreciated.
radmax
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BE8F73.5FCF8880-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 23:34:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29725 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03578; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:33:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03408; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03393; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:33:15 -0400 Received: from lou1 (user-38ldiml.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.202.213]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05964 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990425203254.007c1d20@mindspring.com> X-Sender: lou1358@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:32:54 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990424055200.01635dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <199904240312.UAA17367@hipmail2.gohip.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:52 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:12 PM 4/23/99 -0700, wilson yip wrote: >>I suppose one has to be content that they post drivers at all for OS/2 for >the >>different models. >>The fact that there is no v90 MWave modem program for OS/2 whereas there >is for >>Windows & NT speak volumes about IBM's own rejection of their OS. > >IBM didn't reject it. The consumer market did. :( Don't you hate it when >an inferior product buries a valid, more robust, solid product? I really tried to use OS/2 in the early 90s but IBM seemed to be chasing their tail with poor strategy. Many developers complained that the support they received from IBM was too erattic to depend upon. Once Windows95 was released and the developers went that way there were no improvement in apps for OS/2. The Win3.1 apps that could work under OS/2 became outdated within a year, especially graphic apps. Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Apr 25 23:54:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29816 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04712; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:53:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04548; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04535; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:52:56 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.48]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990426035246.EPX5934@770>; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:52:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3723E31B.A5B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:52:59 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: radmax CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE References: <004001be8f94$e93be160$02000003@fatmandt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can easily use a SCSI CD-ROM and an IDE hard drive. The SCSI in the DOCK 2 works really well! You could also use the second hard drive adaptor and a second ThinkPad hard drive in a 755CE. It won't work in DOS, but Win95 will automatically find the second hard drive. radmax wrote: > > Just got a used DOCK II for my TP 755CE, and want to add a CD-ROM and > extra HD. > Been through the manuals and IBM online and haven't been able to > figure this out. Is the DOCK 2 limited to just one IDE device? > They talk about multiple SCSI's but only one IDE. > I remember my old desktops having a BIOS limitation of only 2 hard > drives, and then E-IDE came out. > > With my 755 CE's INTERNAL Hard Drive counting as a first device, can I > use BOTH an IDE CD-ROM and IDE Hard Drive, or do I HAVE to go with > only one IDE and then a SCSI? > The preference is for both to be IDE (cheaper, more available) > > If I have to go with a SCSI device, which then should I get. CD-ROM > OR Hard Drive > I know the dock is a 50 pin SCSI 2, but I keep seeing adds for FAST, > WIDE, ULTRA FAST, ULTRA WIDE, and ULTRA SCSI 2? > (I knew I should have paid more attention to SCSI talk 5 years ago. > > Any help appreciated. > radmax From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 00:36:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00383 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07037; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:34:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06870; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06853; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:34:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-16.gate.net [199.227.131.207]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA378670; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3723ECE1.14BDE228@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:34:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP700C References: <3723A727.F58B5300@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NO.. the 700 series is a microchannel machine.. they had a specific docking station for those.. rdietric wrote: > Is a TP700c compatible with a selectabase and docker II docking > station? > Bob -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 00:37:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA00393 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07342; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:36:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07154; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07126; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:36:23 -0400 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA27420 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:36:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 27403 invoked from network); 26 Apr 1999 04:36:18 -0000 Received: from mg130-063.ricochet.net (HELO paddy) (204.179.130.63) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 04:36:18 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Ron Heiby" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP570 Announcement Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:36:15 -0700 Message-Id: <000101be8f9e$51d5e690$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: > Perhaps Bill Morrow can chime in with the details on max HD > size for the > ultra-thins (12 mm). I'm not Bill, but it's the 10Gb Travelstar 10GT: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts10gt.htm http://shopper.com/prdct/944/113.html That gives you 20Gb in a TP600 with the second HDD adapter. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://www.geary.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 01:02:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00529 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08371; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:00:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08177; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08104; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:58:55 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA05978; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990426010341.01639114@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:03:41 -0400 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org, Thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP700C In-Reply-To: <3723A727.F58B5300@capecod.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:37 PM 4/25/99 -0400, rdietric wrote: >Is a TP700c compatible with a selectabase and docker II docking >station? >Bob Nope. 700/720 are microchannel (MCA) based machines. They require the 3545-001 series docking stations. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 01:31:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00734 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09629; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:29:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09479; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09466; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.113 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:29:44 -0400 Received: from prodigy.net (GDFKB102-14.splitrock.net [209.252.135.14]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA153282; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3723F9CF.61896C9E@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:29:51 -0500 From: Culley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP750 questions References: <3.0.1.32.19990426010341.01639114@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've just signed up for the list after picking up a cheap TP750c. I've got a few questions. It has a 340 meg hard drive and I'm wondering if there are any cheap 500+ meg drives any where? Is this thing cardbus capable? I suppose not due to its age. I've installed linux on it and if anyone knows how to get X up and running I'd appreciate some input. If anyone can help with any thanks in advance. Culley Morrow pdragon@prodigy.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 02:10:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01278 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10855; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10731; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10718; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:09:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-16.gate.net [199.227.131.207]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA92164; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <37240315.FFB2B0DC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:09:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Culley CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 questions References: <3.0.1.32.19990426010341.01639114@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <3723F9CF.61896C9E@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Cully.. Culley wrote: > I've just signed up for the list after picking up a cheap TP750c. I've > got a few questions. > > It has a 340 meg hard drive and I'm wondering if there are any cheap > 500+ meg drives any where? > it'll support up to a 5gig drive.. > Is this thing cardbus capable? I suppose not due to its age. > you are rught.. no.. > I've installed linux on it and if anyone knows how to get X up and > running I'd appreciate some input. > > If anyone can help with any thanks in advance. > > Culley Morrow > pdragon@prodigy.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 05:06:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA02045 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17809; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:05:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17566; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17516; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:04:06 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA04137; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990426050854.006d07e4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:08:54 -0400 To: Culley , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP750 questions Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3723F9CF.61896C9E@prodigy.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990426010341.01639114@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:29 AM 4/26/99 -0500, Culley wrote: >It has a 340 meg hard drive and I'm wondering if there are any cheap >500+ meg drives any where? Try ebay or misc.forsale usenet groups to locate users who have upgraded their pre-existing drives. I know ebay always has a boatload up for auction from various users. > >Is this thing cardbus capable? I suppose not due to its age. Nope. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 06:46:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA02428 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29143; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:45:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28988; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28975; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:45:36 -0400 Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu (tarski [128.171.50.25]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA12319; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:45:30 -1000 (HST) Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA04210; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:48:00 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199904261048.AAA04210@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB To: brillig@cia-g.com (Brillig) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 99 0:48:00 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, barry@fbtc.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000b01be8f86$f543bf40$9b5242cf@raybay>; from "Brillig" at Apr 25, 99 7:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] List-Unsubscribe: If indeed (as Brillig reports) the company is being widely investigated for this kind of fraud, then it supports my point - I doubt it would have happened if people hadn't reported problems to the relevant authorities. With due respect to Steve Andre's suggestion that complaints can be posted to web sites, I think this is both ineffective and dangerous - the former because (a) few people surf the web for this sort of complaint before buying from a company, and those who do are not guaranteed to find the information in the great morass the internet has become, and (b) because the BBB and state attorneys general certainly don't surf the web for such stuff; dangerous because (according to a story I read online recently) site owners are increasingly being threatened with lawsuits for such postings - even if your complaint is justified, are you ready to defend a lawsuit? - David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 07:12:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02532 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00411; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:11:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00268; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00255; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:11:25 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA23502; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:09:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny4-02.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.130) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023498; Mon Apr 26 06:09:41 1999 Message-ID: <37244936.FBE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:08:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Brillig , barry@fbtc.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB References: <199904261048.AAA04210@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > > If indeed (as Brillig reports) the company is being widely investigated > for this kind of fraud, then it supports my point - I doubt it would > have happened if people hadn't reported problems to the relevant > authorities. With due respect to Steve Andre's suggestion that > complaints can be posted to web sites, I think this is both ineffective > and dangerous - the former because (a) few people surf the web for this > sort of complaint before buying from a company, and those who do are > not guaranteed to find the information in the great morass the internet has > become, and (b) because the BBB and state attorneys general certainly > don't surf the web for such stuff; dangerous because (according to a > story I read online recently) site owners are increasingly being > threatened with lawsuits for such postings - even if your complaint is > justified, are you ready to defend a lawsuit? > > - David The bottom line in this 313.95 Thinkpad Drama is that the distributor is violating several NYS Consumer Protection Laws. It may seem foolish to attempt the dealer to provide you with what he advertised, reality is a bit different than the folks offering the dealer ways out of this mess. First off the dealer has a history of bait and switch along with failure to provide what is advertised as advertised. As the web matures we will find similar schemes with greater resultant consumer protections. If anyone wants to sympathize with the dealer, that's fine, but in my view a bit rediculous. The advertised price was posted not briefly, but for a few days. Of course the dealers in the group may feel for the suspect dealer, that's understandable. harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 09:26:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03169 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05607; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05269; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05252; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:36 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00327; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <372468D3.1F62B62E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:31 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: 600 battery swap (was TP570 Announcement) References: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can you really swap batteries in a 600 while suspended? Every time I have tried, the system goes completely off when I remove the battery. This is with a 2645-45U (300MHz Pentium II). I can't seem to swap batteries without shutting down (or hibernate, but I don't use hibernation) or using AC power. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 10:58:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04205 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12547; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12313; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12260; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA21034 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:56:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:56:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760LD Serial help request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've recently got an IBM-refurb'ed 760LD. I'm trying to use my Sportster External Voice modem on it as an answering machine, with no luck. EZ Setup test on the serial port says it's OK, and the modem lights change during that test. Windows95 says the COM port is OK, and that the modem is working. HyperTerm says it opens the port (I have it set to Direct to COM1), but the modem lights do not change, and there is no response to any commands I type. Any help would be appreciated. Please e-mail me with replies, as I'd rather not wait for tomorrow's digest. Many thanks, Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 12:12:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05216 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18416; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:08:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17965; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17934; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:08:47 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.164.128]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990426160743.EDFB21695@abtp> for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:07:43 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01be8ffe$5a6842c0$2296f2cc@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I have a couple of thoughts on this issue which I don't think have been addressed yet. I too tried to order this Thinkpad. I don't have much sympathy for them and here's why: I called the 800 number to order. As soon as I said "I would like to order a Thinkpad", the person said "You mean that $300 one? That was a typo, we don't even have any in stock." (no bait and switch was attempted on their part) I called them on the phone rather than order online because there was no way I would give them my: A. credit card number B. email address I would suggest they collected quite a few of both over the 3 DAYS(!) that price was listed. Many folks set up new accounts and might return just because of that. How many people bookmarked this $313.95 site? Also: Now that they have your email address they might market to you (spam) in a future email. Another issue: Is this online dealer intentionally posting low prices to insure they come up as "the low price" in these popluar price tracker sites like pricescan.com? Low price, yes, but so low they don't need to honor it. This would have the effect of getting the online dealer noticed by potential buyers who were previously unaware of the site. Even if these are not the reasons for the $313.95 Thinkpad, remember this rule of advertising: I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name correctly. Similar to "Any PR is good PR". One more idea (the dealer is the victim): The dealer's site maintainer gets paid by the "hit". I would not discourage or judge anyone who wants to fight them to honor their price. The BBB should at least warn people of these practices. Aaron Brown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 12:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05646 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21197; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20987; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20969; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:26 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05739 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904261643.MAA05739@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600E, hard drives >> 10G coming ? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:43:20 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know if there are HDs *larger* than 10G for TP600s on the hoizon? -- Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 13:02:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05871 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22614; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:01:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22467; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22452; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:00:59 -0400 Received: from dante39.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante39.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.199]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id KAA54706; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:00:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante39.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id KAA58652; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:00:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: "Aaron W. Brown" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB In-Reply-To: <004e01be8ffe$5a6842c0$2296f2cc@abtp.designcraft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Good points Aaron. There is one question many people who were supporting "just letting it go, they made a mistake" are forgetting to ask themselves. I noticed they had an ETA of 4/22 for the Thinkpad. However, there is now no mention of that particular notebook anywhere on their website that I could find after the "error". So, what happened to those notebooks that were supposed to arrive on 4/22? Could it be they never existed? Doesn't sound like a "mistake" to me at all. I ordered one and never got a notice from Access Micro. I did notice that in those posted, there wasn't a line that said something like "There was a pricing error, the correct price was $xxx. Please contact us if you want to order the notebook at that price." How come there wasn't? Matthew T Kokaly On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > I have a couple of thoughts on this issue which I don't think have been > addressed yet. > > I too tried to order this Thinkpad. I don't have much sympathy for them > and here's why: > > I called the 800 number to order. As soon as I said "I would like to order > a Thinkpad", the person said "You mean that $300 one? That was a typo, we > don't even have any in stock." (no bait and switch was attempted on their > part) > I called them on the phone rather than order online because there was no > way I would give them my: > > A. credit card number > B. email address > > I would suggest they collected quite a few of both over the 3 DAYS(!) that > price was listed. Many folks set up new accounts and might return just > because of that. How many people bookmarked this $313.95 site? > Also: Now that they have your email address they might market to you > (spam) in a future email. > > Another issue: > Is this online dealer intentionally posting low prices to insure they come > up as "the low price" in these popluar price tracker sites like > pricescan.com? Low price, yes, but so low they don't need to honor it. > This would have the effect of getting the online dealer noticed by potential > buyers who were previously unaware of the site. > > Even if these are not the reasons for the $313.95 Thinkpad, remember this > rule of advertising: > I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name correctly. > Similar to "Any PR is good PR". > > One more idea (the dealer is the victim): The dealer's site maintainer > gets paid by the "hit". > > I would not discourage or judge anyone who wants to fight them to honor > their price. The BBB should at least warn people of these practices. > > Aaron Brown > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 13:16:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06023 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24116; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23805; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlins.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23747; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlins.force9.net (195.166.128.23 -> merlins.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:13:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 30054 invoked from network); 26 Apr 1999 17:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 17:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20781 invoked from network); 26 Apr 1999 17:05:01 -0000 Received: from 93.hiper04.access.free-online.net (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.116.93) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 17:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <001101be9008$20ae8940$5d7438d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: References: <199904261048.AAA04210@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> <37244936.FBE@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:13:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > few days. Of course the dealers in the group may feel for the suspect > dealer, that's understandable. It is unlikely that any dealer on this list would post a wrong price for several days after the mistake was pointed out to him, or post a policy of honoring such errors without actually doing so, or not at least provide some sort of small goodwill offering in lieu of the posted deal. This dealer did all three. Sleazy - or even merely sloppy - online businesses reflect badly on the honest and careful ones. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 13:59:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06462 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27939; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:57:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27712; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27693; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:56:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14769 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:56:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990424005329.0087d740@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > > Can someone explain what the MWave modem is? I have a 1451 i series > TP and wonder if my modem is that kind? tnx > STeve MWave is sort of the predecessor to WinModems. All modems have an A/D and D/A (analog-to-digital, digital-to-analog) convertor in them which coverts from/to the analog waveform on the telephone line to/from the 0s and 1s computer use. This is not a trivial task, and up until the early '90s was almost always done via hardware. The drawback of doing it in hardware of course is that once you mold the hardware, that's what it does for life. In the early 1990s, specialized floating point processors (DSPs, digital signal processors) designed specifically for A/D and D/A processing in software became fast enough that it could handle the A/D and D/A necessary in a modem (14.4 kbps I think was state of the art then). IBM came up with the clever idea of putting one of these DSPs in their Thinkpads to operate as a modem. The advantage being that since the hardware is generic, you can reprogram what it does via software. When a new modem standard (e.g. 28.8) comes out, you simply reprogram the DSP and what used to be a 14.4 modem is now a 28.8 modem. IBM dubbed this feature "MWave" (probably because the other major A/D / D/A component in computers is the sound input/output - or multimedia). Anyways, the impression I got was that IBM was having difficulty releasing up-to-date software drivers for the MWave to match the rapid advancements in hardware modems. This was probably coupled with the early MWave DSPs simply not having enough horsepower to do both 28.8 and multimedia sound at the same time. And apparently MWave was designed around Windows so supporting it under other OSes was problematic (other audio/modem DSPs like the one found on the TP701 do not have this problem). It was a good idea, but companies could put out new modem hardware faster than IBM could put out new DSP software. WinModems use the same concept, but use the main CPU instead of a DSP (yes, CPUs have gotten that fast). That's why you generally want to avoid them unless you don't mind the CPU hit and an extra 100-200 ms latency (and, as the name implies, they can only be used under Windows). Because they use the CPU instead of integrated A/D and D/A convertors, they are usually about $50 cheaper. I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. IBM has had a bad history of releasing timely updates for their MWave (I don't think 28.8 was available for nearly a year after 28.8 modems started showing up in stores), and Linux support has been spotty-nonexistent, so I have as a rule avoided TPs with MWave. But even if you do have one, you can always buy a PCMCIA/Cardbus modem and use it in lieu of the MWave. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 14:10:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06550 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29002; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28903; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28867; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14861; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: Culley cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 questions In-Reply-To: <3723F9CF.61896C9E@prodigy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Others have answered most of these questions, so I'll just elaborate. On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Culley wrote: > I've just signed up for the list after picking up a cheap TP750c. I've > got a few questions. > > It has a 340 meg hard drive and I'm wondering if there are any cheap > 500+ meg drives any where? The 750 takes 19mm drives. The standard nowadays is 12.5mm or 17mm. If you want to buy a second hard drive so you can swap, then you're going to need a caddy (and you'll pay an arm and a leg for it). if you just want a bigger drive, you can pop open the caddy for the 340 MB drive, and replace the drive with just about any 19mm, 17mm, or 12.5mm drive. There may be a size limit due to the 750's old BIOS - I believe someone said it was around 5 GB? You'll need a jeweler's screwdriver to pry open the caddy and remove the two screws holding it shut. It's a bit daunting at first, but not very difficult. > Is this thing cardbus capable? I suppose not due to its age. It's not, but even if it were, the machine is slow enough that you probably wouldn't get much advantage from it. My PCMCIA ethernet card topped out at around 250 k/sec transfer speeds. When I put the same card in my 560, I was seeing transfer speeds up to 800+ k/sec. > I've installed linux on it and if anyone knows how to get X up and > running I'd appreciate some input. Check out the Linux Thinkpad page. I believe it has XF86Config files for the 750. http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 14:52:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07017 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03233; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:50:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03047; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03022; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:50:05 -0400 Received: (from swa@localhost) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id LAA27151; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904261850.LAA27151@tnt.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Augart To: I Lee Hetherington Cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: 600 battery swap (was TP570 Announcement) In-Reply-To: <372468D3.1F62B62E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> <372468D3.1F62B62E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 List-Unsubscribe: I certainly haven't been able to swap 600 batteries while suspended. When Randall Whittle wrote: But I still think its a silly thing to worry about having the 2nd battery "on line" at all times. I can do a 2nd battery with my original 600 too. It just takes me about 20 seconds to suspend and hotswap it. Big deal. I had interpreted this to mean that he was actually hibernating the machine. Randy, is that what you meant? I was wondering that too... I sure can't hibernate and un-hibernate my TP 600 in just 20 seconds. --Steve Augart I Lee Hetherington writes: > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:31 -0400 > Subject: 600 battery swap (was TP570 Announcement) > > Can you really swap batteries in a 600 while suspended? Every time > I have tried, the system goes completely off when I remove the battery. > This is with a 2645-45U (300MHz Pentium II). I can't seem to swap > batteries without shutting down (or hibernate, but I don't use > hibernation) or using AC power. > > --Lee Hetherington > -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 15:30:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07538 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05015; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:17:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04802; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chekov.Belgium.eu.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04707; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chekov.Belgium.eu.net (192.92.130.25 -> chekov.belgium.eu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:15:59 -0400 Received: from (idialup144.kortrijk.eunet.be [193.121.108.144]) by chekov.Belgium.eu.net with SMTP id VAA11541 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:12:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001901be9019$0f1a0c20$991500c3@dell> From: "EeBee" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:14:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 19:10:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10187 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21170; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:09:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21018; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netaxs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20994; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netaxs.com (207.8.186.26 -> mail.netaxs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:54 -0400 Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09039 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamee Received: (from jw67-usa@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21316 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904262308.TAA21316@unix2.netaxs.com> Subject: [755C] Video mode To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad Mailing List) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Help.. Having a problem with the 755C's video mode and Windows 3.1. Sometimes when I launch Windows, the Program Manager (minimized) will not show up and the menu text are distorted. Usually I just restart Window and things may look okay. Any idea why this happen? [An updated video driver is installed thru the window setup (SVGA 1024 x 768 256 color).] Btw, my READIBM 755c manual and PC2000's QCONFIG report different video info about my 755C video: READIBM: LCD 640-by-480 256 color QCONFIG: Primary Video: VGA How come? Where is my SVGA?? Is it true that SVGA 1024x768 mode only apply to _external_ monitor? Thanks, Jamee p.s. My 755c BIOS not updated.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 21:02:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11346 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26975; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:00:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26719; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26698; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:00:10 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-124.usc.edu [128.125.224.124]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA27009; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990426173819.00a84b00@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:48:23 -0700 To: Steven Augart , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 600 battery swap (was TP570 Announcement) In-Reply-To: <199904261850.LAA27151@tnt.isi.edu> References: <372468D3.1F62B62E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> <372468D3.1F62B62E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:50 AM 4/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >I certainly haven't been able to swap 600 batteries while suspended. > >When Randall Whittle wrote: > > But I still think its a silly thing to worry about having the > 2nd battery "on line" at all times. I can do a 2nd battery > with my original 600 too. It just takes me about 20 seconds to > suspend and hotswap it. Big deal. > >I had interpreted this to mean that he was actually hibernating the >machine. Randy, is that what you meant? I was wondering that >too... I sure can't hibernate and un-hibernate my TP 600 in just 20 >seconds. I haven't personally done it, as I have just a single battery (my 560's 2nd battery went bad from lack of use so I chose not to spend $250 on a Li-Ion for the 600). I have warm-swapped every other TP I had and I was under the impression the 600 is warm-swap capable too. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 21:44:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11809 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29409; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:43:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29241; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29219; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (207.70.126.130 -> neuman.interaccess.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:42:56 -0400 Received: from bsbpub (d118.focal8.interaccess.com [207.208.189.118]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA14754; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904270142.UAA14754@neuman.interaccess.com> From: BookSale To: Subject: Book - "How To Juggle Women Without Getting Killed or Going Broke" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Women all over America have said, "Burn This Book!!!" 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Wholesale Discounts Available --------------------------------------------------------- Order by Phone 1 (800) 305-1458 24 hours a day --------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 26 23:08:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12660 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02549; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:06:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02402; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02389; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:06:41 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA16598 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990426220319.0085b290@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:03:19 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.19990425130319.0084ac00@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 07:29 PM 4/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >For the record, the 600's can have a 2nd HD in the Ultraslim Bay I believe you. It would be nice if the IBM web site would include this in the set of features they claim for the machine. If they did, some of us would have a better chance of knowing about the system's true capabilities. >They do. My 600 doesn't, but mine is one of the originals. The updated >models that followed after those do indeed have the 2nd Batt. capability. Too bad they don't include this info on the web site, either. >As for the card modem...its not only not a big deal to pop it out and back >in again, I generally fail to see what its needed. The classic battery >need is because you're not near an AC outlet...which usually means you're >not near a phone or ethernet jack either. Unless you're using >cellular...why do you need to reset the card? And if you're using the >card...why do you need to be on battery power? I don't think I said that it was a "big deal". It's kinda like the top of the line Ford Taurus I bought a few years back. It had a number of problems. None of them were a "big deal". Was I ticked that the Ford dealer was unable, after numerous chances to do so, were not able to fix the problems? You bet. I bought a (nearly) top of the line ThinkPad. I have a problem with Suspend / Resume. It is not a "big deal". Am I ticked about it? You bet. Scenario: I'm sitting in my office at work. My system is booted (a process that takes about 3 minutes). It is plugged into wall AC power. My planner software beeps at me and reminds me about a meeting. I hit Start | Suspend (because Fn-F4 or closing the lid just Sleeps, not Suspends) and suspend the 770ED. I unplug it >from the power and phone line. I go to my meeting. I open the lid and take notes, look up things, etc. The meeting ends. I suspend again and visit a couple other people in their offices. Eventually, I am back at my office. I plug in and open the lid. The system resumes. Now, it's time to re-boot so I can use my modem again. What's wrong with this picture? >My thought is when I'm on an airflight. If its 5 or 6 hours, its not a >big deal for me to use one battery for 2.5 to 3, spend 60 seconds >suspending, swapping, and awakening, then work for another 2.5 to 3 hours. You left out the part about juggling the extra battery that doesn't fit into the PC to start with, so you were not able to insert it while waiting for boarding. So, you have to put the TP somewhere while you A) get the spare battery out of the seat pocket in front of you; B) wrestle your briefcase out >from under the seat in front of you or the overhead compartment to get the spare battery; or C) get on your hands and knees to find the battery that fell off your lap where you were keeping it so you would not have to do A or B. >Most of us who have used lighter machines don't consider the differences >in function to be anywhere *near* worth carrying the extra 2 lbs. & 1 inch. Well, I don't really disagree that the differences between the STEALTH features of the 600 and the published features of the 770 family are quite similar. Of course, since the IBM web site doesn't mention anything about A) putting a second battery in; B) putting a second HD in; C) HDs larger than 6.4 Gig.... Also, I'm pretty sure that DVD was not an option on the 600 family when I bought my 770ED. So, would I rather have a high end April 99 TP600 than a December 98 TP770ED? Maybe. Of course, I've had the use of that 770ED for an extra five months. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNyUo9G8pw+2/9pUJEQIengCgjErNLALQGikqNI0KfhkliuO1ca8AoKmO 4nE+JOtXUY1UqvZRx+4KIHUi =9CmC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 01:03:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13551 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07493; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:01:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07353; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07340; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:01:43 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-080.usc.edu [128.125.224.80]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA13664; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990426213102.00b016c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:47:38 -0700 To: Ron Heiby , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP570 Announcement In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990426220319.0085b290@popmail.mcs.net> References: <4.1.19990425190213.00ae6490@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990425130319.0084ac00@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423214153.00afae90@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.5.32.19990423222630.00853100@popmail.mcs.net> <4.1.19990423143557.00a8da00@rcf.usc.edu> <002601be8dc9$b7106340$1d276420@ims.att.com> <003101be8ce5$f55e9b10$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <000c01be8ce9$c09b3ba0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:03 PM 4/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >You left out the part about juggling the extra battery that doesn't fit into >the PC to start with, so you were not able to insert it while waiting for >boarding. So, you have to put the TP somewhere while you A) get the spare >battery out of the seat pocket in front of you; B) wrestle your briefcase out >from under the seat in front of you or the overhead compartment to get the >spare battery; or C) get on your hands and knees to find the battery that fell >off your lap where you were keeping it so you would not have to do A or B. It seems you get bothered & upset easily. :-) Helps if you plan ahead! When on a plane, I keep everything I think I might need within reaching distance & packed in such a way as not to create the mess you describe. I rarely have such problems. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think much of it is planning & packing appropriately, which makes a big difference whether you have 2-battery capability or not. No system is perfect--not even, I think, the 770. All I can say is I've used a number of notebook computers (6 in all--4 of them ThinkPads, a 750C, 701C, 560, and 600) and the ThinkPads are something special compared to the rest, and the 600 is the best blend of feature set and portability I've ever seen. I have no interest in notebooks that aren't light enough or small enough, unless there's some feature in them that I can't live without. I have yet to see anything that matters enough to justify the extra weight & size. The difference in feature set of the 600 vs. the 560 I had *did* justify the additional weight (1 lb.) and size (1" deeper and .3" thicker). >Gig.... Also, I'm pretty sure that DVD was not an option on the 600 family >when I bought my 770ED. So, would I rather have a high end April 99 TP600 than >a December 98 TP770ED? Maybe. Of course, I've had the use of that 770ED for an >extra five months. Hmmm...my memory could be fading, but I'm pretty sure DVD was indeed an option on the 600 within about 3 months of introduction, which would have been by August 98 or so--most *certainly* by the Dec. 98 date you mention. But even though DVD is available on a 600, it lacks the hardware MPEG decoding in the 770. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 01:32:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13727 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08447; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:31:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08365; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08351; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:31:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-3.gate.net [207.36.212.3]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA121942; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:32:43 -0400 Message-ID: <37254BB5.3E8EAFC4@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:31:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. thats a well written discussion of Mwave, etc. a few personal observations.. :-) the sad fact is IBM has been slow.. in the 760 series, the Mwave did NOT have the horsepower to do more than 33.6 and the sound, and then it was struggling.. another apparent problem is the Mwave is very critical of telephone lines not to mention some or all digital modems used by ISP's... in the 770 series (not sure which model if not all 770's) the Mwave now does only the modem and there is a sound chip for the audio.. these CAN do up to 50 odd kbs.. but reality is slower.. (see above comments irt phone lines, etc.) the last time i did an upgrade the speed went from 33bks to 30kbs..! hopefully, IBM will either do a real modem chipset soon, and abandon the Mwave idea.. good as it was, it just does not seem to work as well as a cheap modem... John Kim wrote: > On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > Can someone explain what the MWave modem is? I have a 1451 i series > > TP and wonder if my modem is that kind? tnx > > STeve > > MWave is sort of the predecessor to WinModems. All modems > have an A/D and D/A (analog-to-digital, digital-to-analog) > convertor in them which coverts from/to the analog waveform on > the telephone line to/from the 0s and 1s computer use. This is > not a trivial task, and up until the early '90s was almost > always done via hardware. The drawback of doing it in > hardware of course is that once you mold the hardware, that's > what it does for life. > > In the early 1990s, specialized floating point processors > (DSPs, digital signal processors) designed specifically for > A/D and D/A processing in software became fast enough that it > could handle the A/D and D/A necessary in a modem (14.4 kbps I > think was state of the art then). IBM came up with the clever > idea of putting one of these DSPs in their Thinkpads to > operate as a modem. The advantage being that since the > hardware is generic, you can reprogram what it does via > software. When a new modem standard (e.g. 28.8) comes out, > you simply reprogram the DSP and what used to be a 14.4 modem > is now a 28.8 modem. IBM dubbed this feature "MWave" (probably > because the other major A/D / D/A component in computers is > the sound input/output - or multimedia). > > Anyways, the impression I got was that IBM was having > difficulty releasing up-to-date software drivers for the MWave > to match the rapid advancements in hardware modems. This was > probably coupled with the early MWave DSPs simply not having > enough horsepower to do both 28.8 and multimedia sound at the > same time. And apparently MWave was designed around Windows > so supporting it under other OSes was problematic (other > audio/modem DSPs like the one found on the TP701 do not have > this problem). It was a good idea, but companies could put > out new modem hardware faster than IBM could put out new DSP > software. > > WinModems use the same concept, but use the main CPU instead > of a DSP (yes, CPUs have gotten that fast). That's why you > generally want to avoid them unless you don't mind the CPU hit > and an extra 100-200 ms latency (and, as the name implies, > they can only be used under Windows). Because they use the > CPU instead of integrated A/D and D/A convertors, they are > usually about $50 cheaper. > > I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. IBM has had > a bad history of releasing timely updates for their MWave (I > don't think 28.8 was available for nearly a year after 28.8 > modems started showing up in stores), and Linux support has > been spotty-nonexistent, so I have as a rule avoided TPs with > MWave. But even if you do have one, you can always buy a > PCMCIA/Cardbus modem and use it in lieu of the MWave. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 01:35:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13742 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08758; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:33:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08593; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08580; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:33:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-3.gate.net [207.36.212.3]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA17096; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37254C2A.9699FE24@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:33:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E, hard drives >> 10G coming ? References: <199904261643.MAA05739@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: inevitably, but nothing now on the horizon that i know of.. but give IBM a few months and i'm sure the 14gig will show up in 12.5mm format and thus fit the TP-600... Michael W. Godfrey wrote: > Anyone know if there are HDs *larger* than 10G for TP600s on the hoizon? > > -- Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 01:37:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13760 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09042; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:36:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08902; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08887; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:36:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-3.gate.net [207.36.212.3]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA145236; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37254CBE.D8D78A27@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:35:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760LD Serial help request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris.. i assume that you are turning the serial port ON..?? if so, have you tried another com port.. com2 perhaps.. have you checked for interference with the Ir port..?? Chris Schumann wrote: > I've recently got an IBM-refurb'ed 760LD. I'm trying to use my Sportster > External Voice modem on it as an answering machine, with no luck. > > EZ Setup test on the serial port says it's OK, and the modem lights change > during that test. > > Windows95 says the COM port is OK, and that the modem is working. > HyperTerm says it opens the port (I have it set to Direct to COM1), but > the modem lights do not change, and there is no response to any commands I > type. > > Any help would be appreciated. Please e-mail me with replies, as I'd > rather not wait for tomorrow's digest. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 01:42:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13820 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09687; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:41:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09480; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09466; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:41:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-3.gate.net [207.36.212.3]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA272056; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37254DF9.C0741919@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:41:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: Culley , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP750 questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. John Kim wrote: > Others have answered most of these questions, so I'll just > elaborate. > > On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Culley wrote: > > > I've just signed up for the list after picking up a cheap TP750c. I've > > got a few questions. > > > > It has a 340 meg hard drive and I'm wondering if there are any cheap > > 500+ meg drives any where? > > The 750 takes 19mm drives. yes to 19mm, but only if you cut the bottom off of the plastic IBM HDD shell..normal is 17mm for these machines.. in short, avoid a 19mm HDD.. > The standard nowadays is 12.5mm or > 17mm. true here..IBM 17mm drives are a bit faster, usually.. > If you want to buy a second hard drive so you can swap, > then you're going to need a caddy (and you'll pay an arm and a > leg for it). if $75~ is an arm and a leg, true.. > if you just want a bigger drive, you can pop > open the caddy for the 340 MB drive, and replace the drive > with just about any 19mm, not true, see above comments... > 17mm, yes and no..if it is a 810meg drive, yes, if above a 1.2gig drive, no.. at least not without more surgery.. > or 12.5mm drive. ditto to above... > There may be > a size limit due to the 750's old BIOS - I believe someone > said it was around 5 GB? > 5 gigs is it.. > You'll need a jeweler's screwdriver to pry open the caddy and > remove the two screws holding it shut. It's a bit daunting at > first, but not very difficult. > > > Is this thing cardbus capable? I suppose not due to its age. > > It's not, but even if it were, the machine is slow enough that > you probably wouldn't get much advantage from it. My PCMCIA > ethernet card topped out at around 250 k/sec transfer speeds. > When I put the same card in my 560, I was seeing transfer > speeds up to 800+ k/sec. > > > I've installed linux on it and if anyone knows how to get X up and > > running I'd appreciate some input. > > Check out the Linux Thinkpad page. I believe it has > XF86Config files for the 750. > > http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 02:41:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14316 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11597; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:40:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11501; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11488; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:39:57 -0400 Received: from dante26.u.washington.edu (williams@dante26.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA11428 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:39:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante26.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA82794 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:39:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED DVD and CD-RW Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Does the 770ED read CD-RWs? Does it media, speed recorded, or Data vs Music matter? I recorded some music at 4x on an ACER 4x disc and the 770ED doesn't see it. (It was made by a Yamaha 4416SXZ which was defective). Is any media preferred for the DVD drive? John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 09:30:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA16344 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05896; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05516; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05503; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:26:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-1.gate.net [199.227.131.128]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA271878; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:27:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3725BAE5.DC1999A@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:25:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED DVD and CD-RW References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW i experienced no problems reading anything i put into my 770ED (when i had it)... factory produced music CD's and DVD-CD's, CD-R's and CD-RW's... i DID make a copy of the preload recovert CD that did NOT work.. not sure why.. all were produced on an h/p 7110 CD-RW (except the DVD & the music one) J. Williams wrote: > Hi, Does the 770ED read CD-RWs? Does it media, speed recorded, or Data vs > Music matter? I recorded some music at 4x on an ACER 4x disc and the > 770ED doesn't see it. (It was made by a Yamaha 4416SXZ which was > defective). > > Is any media preferred for the DVD drive? > > John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 10:25:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16886 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09530; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09342; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09311; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA17711; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:22:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:22:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760LD Serial help request In-Reply-To: <37254CBE.D8D78A27@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i assume that you are turning the serial port ON..?? > if so, have you tried another com port.. > com2 perhaps.. > have you checked for interference with the Ir port..?? Yup, the serial port is on. Initially, it was set to COM2, but I used Device Manager to manually set it to COM1, then delete it. Next time Win95 started, it assigned it to COM1. I tried COM2 as well. I've disabled IrDA using IBM's ThinkPad program (not a good interface IMHO), but Win95 still detects it, so I have to disable it. There are no conflicts. I even started Win95 in Safe mode, and removed the four(!) IDE controllers and all the extra devices, and let those get detected next startup. When I use HyperTerm, it can open only the port I have configured. No other ports can be opened. That port can only be opened once at one time, and still no data transfer or handshake signals appear on the modem indicators. Thanks for the ideas, but... got any more? :) Or anyone else? Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 10:35:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17028 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10407; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10251; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10227; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:23 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.197]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990427143317.EEQZ7705@770>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:33:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3725CABC.4F69@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:33:32 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760LD Serial help request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You probably need to set up the serial port using the DOS PS2 commands! Chris Schumann wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > i assume that you are turning the serial port ON..?? > > if so, have you tried another com port.. > > com2 perhaps.. > > have you checked for interference with the Ir port..?? > > Yup, the serial port is on. Initially, it was set to COM2, but I used > Device Manager to manually set it to COM1, then delete it. Next time Win95 > started, it assigned it to COM1. I tried COM2 as well. > > I've disabled IrDA using IBM's ThinkPad program (not a good interface > IMHO), but Win95 still detects it, so I have to disable it. There are no > conflicts. > > I even started Win95 in Safe mode, and removed the four(!) IDE controllers > and all the extra devices, and let those get detected next startup. > > When I use HyperTerm, it can open only the port I have configured. No > other ports can be opened. That port can only be opened once at one time, > and still no data transfer or handshake signals appear on the modem > indicators. > > Thanks for the ideas, but... got any more? :) > > Or anyone else? > > Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 12:19:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18154 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18121; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:15:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17879; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17595; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (131.173.17.11 -> deimos.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:12:41 -0400 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (dia58.modem.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.251.250]) by deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23304 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:12:29 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA01166 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:28:05 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:28:05 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Subject: CHipset in TP600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, everybody, can anybody on this list tell me which motherboard chipset my TP600 is built on? I have the discontinued entry model 2645-210, or, for those less involved with product numbers :-), the P233MMX machine with the 13" HPA display. Is there any website that carries such information? Particularly, I wonder whether all of the memory is cachable by the chipset, because I play with the idea of giving my machine some extra memory for its 1st birthday. :-))) Thanks, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 12:33:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18327 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19413; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:32:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19315; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19294; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:32:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA31823 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:32:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:32:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bill M wrote that "more surgery" would be needed on 17mm drives above 810MB to put them in a TP 750 caddy. While that may be true, I don't understand how a drive's dimensions and capacity are related. On a side note, I have a Toshiba 2.1GB 12.5mm drive in a 750 caddy with no problems. Anyone want to buy my 170 MB original? :) Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 12:35:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18360 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19790; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19648; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19578; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (128.100.1.8 -> yonge.cs.toronto.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:16 -0400 Received: from dvp.cs.toronto.edu ([128.100.2.81]) by yonge.cs.toronto.edu with SMTP id <86557-14363>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:07 -0400 Received: by dvp.cs.toronto.edu id <15582-2090>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:33:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:33:48 -0400 From: Alvin Chia-Hua Shih To: "J. Williams" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED DVD and CD-RW Message-ID: <19990427123348.B3937@dvp.cs> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from J. Williams on Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 02:39:54AM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: I don't knnow much about your current audio CD situation, but the specs for the DVD drive itself are available at: http://www.toshiba-europe.com/diskproducts/products/dvd/sdc2002.htm If you get werid stuff happening when writing over a previously-written CD-RW, try doing a full erase rather than a quick one. ACS On Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 02:39:54AM -0400, J. Williams wrote: > Hi, Does the 770ED read CD-RWs? Does it media, speed recorded, or Data vs > Music matter? I recorded some music at 4x on an ACER 4x disc and the > 770ED doesn't see it. (It was made by a Yamaha 4416SXZ which was > defective). > > Is any media preferred for the DVD drive? > > John > -- Alvin C. Shih | To live in a society that does not treat | its elders with dignity is to live in a http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~acs/ | society of constant fear; for no one is ftp://ftp.cs.utoronto.ca/pub/acs/ | immune to the effects of time... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 14:11:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19706 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27615; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27395; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27379; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23391 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Chris Schumann wrote: > Bill M wrote that "more surgery" would be needed on 17mm drives above > 810MB to put them in a TP 750 caddy. I was probably misremembering and reversed 17mm and 19mm. When the 750 came out, its standard HD size was different from the HDs used in other laptops. > While that may be true, I don't understand how a drive's dimensions and > capacity are related. The taller drives can have a few extra platters (and heads), meaning you get more capacity for (relatively) little extra cost. The 12.5mm drives I believe are only using one or two platters. That's why there's the discussion going on about maximum HD capacity between the TP600 and TP770. The 600 takes 12.5mm drives, the 770 takes 17mm. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 15:35:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20877 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03216; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:30:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03031; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03011; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:30:12 -0400 Received: from gw (pool-209-138-37-5.irvn.grid.net [209.138.37.5]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06179; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "James Lai" To: "M. Kokaly" Cc: Subject: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01be90e4$fcfc77e0$3f258ad1@gw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: For those of you who thinks it's a mishap. They did it again today with the TP600 PII300 with 32MB for $0.01 Now doesn't it look suspicious?? > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Kokaly [mailto:ranger5@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:01 AM > To: Aaron W. Brown > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > Good points Aaron. There is one question many people who were supporting > "just letting it go, they made a mistake" are forgetting to ask > themselves. I noticed they had an ETA of 4/22 for the Thinkpad. However, > there is now no mention of that particular notebook anywhere on their > website that I could find after the "error". So, what happened to those > notebooks that were supposed to arrive on 4/22? Could it be they never > existed? Doesn't sound like a "mistake" to me at all. I ordered one and > never got a notice from Access Micro. I did notice that in those posted, > there wasn't a line that said something like "There was a pricing error, > the correct price was $xxx. Please contact us if you want to order the > notebook at that price." How come there wasn't? > > Matthew T Kokaly > > On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > > > I have a couple of thoughts on this issue which I don't think > have been > > addressed yet. > > > > I too tried to order this Thinkpad. I don't have much > sympathy for them > > and here's why: > > > > I called the 800 number to order. As soon as I said "I would > like to order > > a Thinkpad", the person said "You mean that $300 one? That was > a typo, we > > don't even have any in stock." (no bait and switch was > attempted on their > > part) > > I called them on the phone rather than order online because > there was no > > way I would give them my: > > > > A. credit card number > > B. email address > > > > I would suggest they collected quite a few of both over the 3 > DAYS(!) that > > price was listed. Many folks set up new accounts and might return just > > because of that. How many people bookmarked this $313.95 site? > > Also: Now that they have your email address they might market to you > > (spam) in a future email. > > > > Another issue: > > Is this online dealer intentionally posting low prices to > insure they come > > up as "the low price" in these popluar price tracker sites like > > pricescan.com? Low price, yes, but so low they don't need to honor it. > > This would have the effect of getting the online dealer noticed > by potential > > buyers who were previously unaware of the site. > > > > Even if these are not the reasons for the $313.95 Thinkpad, > remember this > > rule of advertising: > > I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my > name correctly. > > Similar to "Any PR is good PR". > > > > One more idea (the dealer is the victim): The dealer's site > maintainer > > gets paid by the "hit". > > > > I would not discourage or judge anyone who wants to fight > them to honor > > their price. The BBB should at least warn people of these practices. > > > > Aaron Brown > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 15:48:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21081 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03554; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:33:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03401; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03384; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:33:24 -0400 Received: from gw (pool-209-138-37-5.irvn.grid.net [209.138.37.5]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03953 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "James Lai" To: Subject: IBM TP600 PII 300 for $0.01 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:37:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001001be90e5$71a1eb20$3f258ad1@gw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: AccessMicro is selling the above thinkpad for 1 cent and their part number is Manufacturer P/N: *264545U AccessMicro P/N: 985292 Platform: P2 Here we go again!!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 16:01:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21252 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05198; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04862; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04847; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.18 -> ns1.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:19 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01187; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006b01be90e6$d827aff0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "M. Kokaly" Cc: References: <000f01be90e4$fcfc77e0$3f258ad1@gw> Subject: Re: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:47:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: One of the possibilities here is that they have been hacked from outside or they have a big employee morale problem. David ----- Original Message ----- From: James Lai To: M. Kokaly Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:34 PM Subject: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 > For those of you who thinks it's a mishap. They did it again today with the > TP600 PII300 with 32MB for $0.01 > > Now doesn't it look suspicious?? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 17:51:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22640 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14492; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14303; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14272; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-10.gate.net [199.227.131.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA303826; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37263078.C25375F4@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:47:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Krumeich CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: CHipset in TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alexander... it is VERY UNLIKELY that you can cache more than 64megs.. the P-II BX chipset is the first one to allow caching of all the memory.. Alexander Krumeich wrote: > Hi, everybody, > > can anybody on this list tell me which motherboard chipset my TP600 is > built on? I have the discontinued entry model 2645-210, or, for those less > involved with product numbers :-), the P233MMX machine with the 13" HPA > display. Is there any website that carries such information? > > Particularly, I wonder whether all of the memory is cachable by the > chipset, because I play with the idea of giving my machine some extra > memory for its 1st birthday. :-))) > > Thanks, > > Alexander > > -- > Alexander Krumeich > http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ > > Never trust a HAL 9000 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 17:52:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22657 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14769; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:51:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14631; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14579; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-10.gate.net [199.227.131.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA24260; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:51:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37263129.5FE9924B@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 Questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris.. Chris Schumann wrote: > Bill M wrote that "more surgery" would be needed on 17mm drives above > 810MB to put them in a TP 750 caddy. > the additional surgery would be to the cable/plug assembly.. > While that may be true, I don't understand how a drive's dimensions and > capacity are related. > well, they ARE related, but thats not the point..most toshiba drives are 19mm or 12.5mm.. i was assuming a 19mm drive.. > On a side note, I have a Toshiba 2.1GB 12.5mm drive in a 750 caddy with no > problems. Anyone want to buy my 170 MB original? :) > hmm..now that is interesting.. its in there with no mods to anything.. a 2.1gig, toshiba 12.5mm drive..?? > Chris Schumann -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 20:17:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23991 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21494; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21351; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21337; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:15:31 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.78]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA56984 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:15:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990427201644.00889d60@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <37254BB5.3E8EAFC4@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Yes--thanks John. It's good to hear about the history of these beasts. My current laptop is a i series 1451 which I like a lot; the last ThinkPad I had was a 700. At 01:31 AM 4/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >John.. >thats a well written discussion of Mwave, etc. >a few personal observations.. :-) > >the sad fact is IBM has been slow.. in the 760 series, the Mwave did NOT >have the horsepower to do more than 33.6 and the sound, and then it was >struggling.. > >another apparent problem is the Mwave is very critical of telephone lines >not to mention some or all digital modems used by ISP's... > >in the 770 series (not sure which model if not all 770's) the Mwave now >does only the modem and there is a sound chip for the audio.. > >these CAN do up to 50 odd kbs.. but reality is slower.. (see above >comments irt phone lines, etc.) >the last time i did an upgrade the speed went from 33bks to 30kbs..! > >hopefully, IBM will either do a real modem chipset soon, and abandon the >Mwave idea.. good as it was, it just does not seem to work as well as a >cheap modem... > > >John Kim wrote: > >> On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: >> > >> > Can someone explain what the MWave modem is? I have a 1451 i series >> > TP and wonder if my modem is that kind? tnx >> > STeve >> >> MWave is sort of the predecessor to WinModems. All modems >> have an A/D and D/A (analog-to-digital, digital-to-analog) >> convertor in them which coverts from/to the analog waveform on >> the telephone line to/from the 0s and 1s computer use. This is >> not a trivial task, and up until the early '90s was almost >> always done via hardware. The drawback of doing it in >> hardware of course is that once you mold the hardware, that's >> what it does for life. >> >> In the early 1990s, specialized floating point processors >> (DSPs, digital signal processors) designed specifically for >> A/D and D/A processing in software became fast enough that it >> could handle the A/D and D/A necessary in a modem (14.4 kbps I >> think was state of the art then). IBM came up with the clever >> idea of putting one of these DSPs in their Thinkpads to >> operate as a modem. The advantage being that since the >> hardware is generic, you can reprogram what it does via >> software. When a new modem standard (e.g. 28.8) comes out, >> you simply reprogram the DSP and what used to be a 14.4 modem >> is now a 28.8 modem. IBM dubbed this feature "MWave" (probably >> because the other major A/D / D/A component in computers is >> the sound input/output - or multimedia). >> >> Anyways, the impression I got was that IBM was having >> difficulty releasing up-to-date software drivers for the MWave >> to match the rapid advancements in hardware modems. This was >> probably coupled with the early MWave DSPs simply not having >> enough horsepower to do both 28.8 and multimedia sound at the >> same time. And apparently MWave was designed around Windows >> so supporting it under other OSes was problematic (other >> audio/modem DSPs like the one found on the TP701 do not have >> this problem). It was a good idea, but companies could put >> out new modem hardware faster than IBM could put out new DSP >> software. >> >> WinModems use the same concept, but use the main CPU instead >> of a DSP (yes, CPUs have gotten that fast). That's why you >> generally want to avoid them unless you don't mind the CPU hit >> and an extra 100-200 ms latency (and, as the name implies, >> they can only be used under Windows). Because they use the >> CPU instead of integrated A/D and D/A convertors, they are >> usually about $50 cheaper. >> >> I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. IBM has had >> a bad history of releasing timely updates for their MWave (I >> don't think 28.8 was available for nearly a year after 28.8 >> modems started showing up in stores), and Linux support has >> been spotty-nonexistent, so I have as a rule avoided TPs with >> MWave. But even if you do have one, you can always buy a >> PCMCIA/Cardbus modem and use it in lieu of the MWave. >> >> -- >> John H. Kim >> kim@stormhaven.org > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by >IBM >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 20:34:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24118 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22432; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:32:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22347; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22332; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:32:53 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.78]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA40352 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990427203407.00894100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:34:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 In-Reply-To: <000f01be90e4$fcfc77e0$3f258ad1@gw> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Actually, it looks completely incompetant to me. No one, no matter how crazed would believe that a laptop would go for that price. It sounds to me like the software they use to generate the ads have a non-zero default price and $0.01 and they never updated this. Whats the URL for this place? I need to file it under computers, comedy. --STeve At 12:34 PM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >For those of you who thinks it's a mishap. They did it again today with the >TP600 PII300 with 32MB for $0.01 > >Now doesn't it look suspicious?? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Apr 27 23:24:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25542 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29262; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:15:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28916; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28883; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (207.194.28.68 -> lakecity-m68.bctel.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:15:01 -0400 Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16509; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan Hung" To: , Subject: RE: IBM TP600 PII 300 for $0.01 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:14:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9125$43de1d40$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001001be90e5$71a1eb20$3f258ad1@gw> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Well, elsewhere on their site they list the same Thinkpad as $3325.00 (http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=OEM600). The particular item in question is http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=985292 and isn't available any more. They have it as being by "CONFIG 5" and an Inventory ETA of 04/12/99. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Lai [mailto:orialv21@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: IBM TP600 PII 300 for $0.01 > > > AccessMicro is selling the above thinkpad for 1 cent and their part number > is > > Manufacturer P/N: *264545U > AccessMicro P/N: 985292 > Platform: P2 > > Here we go again!!! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 05:56:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA28298 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22228; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:54:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22058; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22044; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:54:10 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10cR2L-0004gm-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:53:49 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 28 Apr 1999 10:53:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: "STeve Andre'"'s message of "Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 46 Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of buying a Thinkpad 570 with a view to installing either Debian GNU/Linux or FreeBSD as a primary boot. I'm concerned about checking support for the hardware before lashing out the cash. In fact, I've got some particular worries -- does anyone have any suggestions on the following (I've stuck some web pages I found in)? X-related video -- I'm planning on the 1024x768, but 8bpp would be suboptimal `mouse' buttons -- are all 3 buttons usable? What X server do Thinkpad owners usually use? Is Accelerated-X or Metro-X a worthwhile buy? I think that the 570 uses the NeoMagic chipset & XFree86 support seems fairly `young' -- in particular in 1024x768 it seems only 8bpp is possible. APM I gather it's reasonably straightforward to make suspend/resume/hibernate work..? There seem to be kernel patches floating about -- have these been incorporated into Linus' kernel? Ethernet Heaven knows why laptops don't come with Ethernet these days -- anyone got a recommendation for a PCMCIA 10/100 card for use with a 570 under Linux/FreeBSD as well as Windows? There doesn't seem to be support for the IBM 10/100 EtherJet CardBus, which would have been my first choice. Gotchas Is there anything else I should watch out for? I know USB isn't there yet, but it seems to be coming along. What have I missed? A good source of general info was the `Linux on Laptops' page, , as well as the FreeBSD hardware FAQ , but I'm still a little wary 'cos of the above. Thanks if you can offer any advice! -- Robin Stephenson Do Not Use Near Eyes From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 07:00:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28627 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25531; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:58:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25376; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25362; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:58:52 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.46) with smtp id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:58:45 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:58:39 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich To: Robin Stephenson cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On 28 Apr 1999, Robin Stephenson wrote: > What X server do Thinkpad owners usually use? Is Accelerated-X > or Metro-X a worthwhile buy? I think that the 570 uses the > NeoMagic chipset & XFree86 support seems fairly `young' -- in Quite a lot of people are ein favour of the Accelerated-X server - I use it myself but considering that you pay somethink linke $200 for it I think it's crap: it DOES crash, their email support is fast but if they send you an answers like `the file should be on the CD' you don't get very enthusiastic about them. And so on. Ok, people say it's fast. Christoph Eyrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 11:08:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01244 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08869; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08589; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08554; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:42 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22434 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:56:48 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01be9188$75c9ece0$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Don't forget the Linux on Thinkpad page that used to be on wwsi but has moved: http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493 >[mailto:trss@blackwell.co.uk]On Behalf Of Robin Stephenson >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 3:54 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support > > >I'm thinking of buying a Thinkpad 570 with a view to installing either >Debian GNU/Linux or FreeBSD as a primary boot. I'm concerned about >checking support for the hardware before lashing out the cash. In >fact, I've got some particular worries -- does anyone have any >suggestions on the following (I've stuck some web pages I found in)? > > X-related > video -- I'm planning on the 1024x768, but 8bpp would be suboptimal > `mouse' buttons -- are all 3 buttons usable? > > What X server do Thinkpad owners usually use? Is Accelerated-X > or Metro-X a worthwhile buy? I think that the 570 uses the > NeoMagic chipset & XFree86 support seems fairly `young' -- in > particular in 1024x768 it seems only 8bpp is possible. > > > APM > I gather it's reasonably straightforward to make > suspend/resume/hibernate work..? There seem to be kernel > patches floating about -- have these been incorporated into > Linus' kernel? > > Ethernet > Heaven knows why laptops don't come with Ethernet these days > -- anyone got a recommendation for a PCMCIA 10/100 card for > use with a 570 under Linux/FreeBSD as well as Windows? There > doesn't seem to be support for the IBM 10/100 EtherJet > CardBus, which would have been my first choice. > > > Gotchas > Is there anything else I should watch out for? I know USB > isn't there yet, but it seems to be coming along. What have I > missed? > > > >A good source of general info was the `Linux on Laptops' page, >, as well as the >FreeBSD hardware FAQ , >but I'm still a little wary 'cos of the above. Thanks if you can >offer any advice! > >-- > Robin Stephenson > Do Not Use Near Eyes > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 11:48:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01689 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12190; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12067; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12013; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:04 -0400 Received: from andres (pm558-46.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.98]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA57524 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990428114817.00889940@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:48:17 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: [TP 1451 series i] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any information on the Xircom ethernet cards running on a 1451 i? The unit that has an RJ-11 connector looks promising to me, and inherently more robust than the 3com card I was looking at, which had this tiny little connector coming out the side, which looked very squishable. Any comments about Xircom as a company--any reasons to stay away from them? Thanks, all. --STeve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 11:49:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01696 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11986; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11763; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11750; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:01 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10cWW5-0005tH-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:44:53 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <000f01be9188$75c9ece0$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 28 Apr 1999 16:44:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Steve Hultquist"'s message of "Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:49 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:49 -0600 >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist wrote: Steve> Don't forget the Linux on Thinkpad page that used to be on wwsi Steve> but has moved: http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html Thanks for that. One thing from that page that hadn't occurred to me: does anyone know whether the TP570 modem is likely to work or not? -- Robin Stephenson Goes To Work In Seconds From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 11:53:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01744 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12754; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12647; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12603; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:38 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22837 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:44:46 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:52:47 -0600 Message-ID: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Another question to ask is whether this might be the first IBM Thinkpad system with Linux support. Anyone know what systems they intend to support for Linux? ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493 >[mailto:trss@blackwell.co.uk]On Behalf Of Robin Stephenson >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:45 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support > > >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:49 -0600 >>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist wrote: > >Steve> Don't forget the Linux on Thinkpad page that used to be on wwsi >Steve> but has moved: http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html > >Thanks for that. One thing from that page that hadn't occurred to me: >does anyone know whether the TP570 modem is likely to work or not? > >-- > Robin Stephenson > Goes To Work In Seconds > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 12:01:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01831 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13847; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:57:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13533; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13513; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10cWiX-0005wy-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:57:45 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 28 Apr 1999 16:57:41 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: The IBM direct sales web site has a few dealers, but I know next to nothing about any of them, as I'm based in the UK. Buying from the States does however make a great deal of sense: even with import duties it's cheaper than a UK dealer, and my guess is that stocks are more likely to materialise before the heat death of the universe. Anyway, here are IBM's dealers: 1 26441AU ThinkPad 570 CDW $3,127.56 MicroWarehouse $3,099.00 CompUSA Net.com $3,019.95 CompuCom / PC Save *call* Inacom *call* Time Trend $3,098.52 There's sod all in it as far as price goes (surprise!), so I thought I'd ask how well you'd got on with these dealerships -- both good and bad experiences. I'll anonymise & summarise to the list if you'd rather email me privately. Oh yeah, if you know of some great top secret little shop that isn't one of these, please let me know! -- Robin Stephenson Place Stick Under Thumb And Hold Firmly From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 12:16:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01956 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15408; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15102; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15067; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (205.133.171.1 -> woody.wcnet.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:13:46 -0400 Received: from woody.wcnet.org. (woody.wcnet.org [205.133.171.1]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02769; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:13:34 -0400 (EDT) To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 28 Apr 1999 12:13:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Steve Hultquist"'s message of "Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:52:47 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: "Steve Hultquist" writes: > Another question to ask is whether this might be the first IBM > Thinkpad system with Linux support. Anyone know what systems they > intend to support for Linux? Check out this story: http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990426.piredhat.htm One of the relevant bits: "Additionally, IBM is hosting a Web site for new Linux-related technology downloads and technical discussions among developers. Information about the site is at www.software.ibm.com/speech. Visitors to the site should then choose the "Linux" option. Information about IBM's Linux support also is available at www.ibm.com/linux." Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 12:12pm up 15:37, 8 users, load average: 1.05, 1.70, 1.61 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 12:18:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01970 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15664; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15205; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15142; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:15 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23053 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:08:22 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Subject: RE: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:16:23 -0600 Message-ID: <002501be9192$75303960$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I like CDW. They do a very good job, and often get one of the first shipments. I have also used Notebook Exchange, but don't know if they are still in business. They are a very small outfit in Canada: +1 (905) 890-8849. I worked with Elton. ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493 >[mailto:trss@blackwell.co.uk]On Behalf Of Robin Stephenson >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:58 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought > > >The IBM direct sales web site has a few dealers, but I know next to >nothing about any of them, as I'm based in the UK. Buying from the >States does however make a great deal of sense: even with import >duties it's cheaper than a UK dealer, and my guess is that stocks are >more likely to materialise before the heat death of the universe. > >Anyway, here are IBM's dealers: > > 1 26441AU ThinkPad 570 > > CDW $3,127.56 > MicroWarehouse $3,099.00 > CompUSA Net.com $3,019.95 > CompuCom / PC Save *call* > Inacom *call* > Time Trend $3,098.52 > >There's sod all in it as far as price goes (surprise!), so I thought >I'd ask how well you'd got on with these dealerships -- both good and >bad experiences. I'll anonymise & summarise to the list if you'd >rather email me privately. Oh yeah, if you know of some great top >secret little shop that isn't one of these, please let me know! > >-- > Robin Stephenson > Place Stick Under Thumb And Hold Firmly > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 12:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02091 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17203; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17099; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17075; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:01 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10cXAn-00064k-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:26:57 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 28 Apr 1999 17:26:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: jzawodn@wcnet.org's message of "28 Apr 1999 12:13:33 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On 28 Apr 1999 12:13:33 -0400 >>>>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy D Zawodny wrote: Jeremy> "Steve Hultquist" writes: >> Another question to ask is whether this might be the first IBM >> Thinkpad system with Linux support. Anyone know what systems they >> intend to support for Linux? Jeremy> Check out this story: Jeremy> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990426.piredhat.htm [...] This is something different (although interesting) -- IBM are releasing Via Voice for Linux (software). They are also apparently about to announce support for Linux on a laptop (hardware). Steve was saying that it wuld be interesting to know which hardware they plan on supporting: my impression was that it was one of the low-end machines, but I can't point to anything in black & white to substantiate that. -- Robin Stephenson Cut Into Squares From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 12:42:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02245 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18377; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18121; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18103; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:38:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA02545; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:39:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:39:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 Questions In-Reply-To: <37263129.5FE9924B@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > On a side note, I have a Toshiba 2.1GB 12.5mm drive in a 750 caddy with no > > problems. Anyone want to buy my 170 MB original? :) > hmm..now that is interesting.. > its in there with no mods to anything.. > a 2.1gig, toshiba 12.5mm drive..?? That's right. A Toshiba 2.1GB 12.5mm drive fit into the 750 caddy with no "surgery". No cuts or modifications at all. I did have to put a noticable strain on the cable inside the caddy for it to fit correctly, but it does fit. A 19mm drive will not fit in an unmodified IBM 750-style caddy. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 13:11:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02619 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20558; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:08:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20398; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20375; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (208.239.204.222 -> mx.jud.ca.gov) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:08:15 -0400 Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (host-220.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.220] (may be forged)) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08276; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00046B80; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:07:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:06:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00046B80.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: Re: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Robin Stephenson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: You may also want to try this url: http://www.onsale.com/category/at_P_300_plus_notebooks.htm the 570 PII-300 lists for $2625 Onsale isn't bad. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought Author: Robin Stephenson at Internet Date: 4/28/99 4:57 PM The IBM direct sales web site has a few dealers, but I know next to nothing about any of them, as I'm based in the UK. Buying from the States does however make a great deal of sense: even with import duties it's cheaper than a UK dealer, and my guess is that stocks are more likely to materialise before the heat death of the universe. Anyway, here are IBM's dealers: 1 26441AU ThinkPad 570 CDW $3,127.56 MicroWarehouse $3,099.00 CompUSA Net.com $3,019.95 CompuCom / PC Save *call* Inacom *call* Time Trend $3,098.52 There's sod all in it as far as price goes (surprise!), so I thought I'd ask how well you'd got on with these dealerships -- both good and bad experiences. I'll anonymise & summarise to the list if you'd rather email me privately. Oh yeah, if you know of some great top secret little shop that isn't one of these, please let me know! -- Robin Stephenson Place Stick Under Thumb And Hold Firmly From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 13:18:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02710 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21756; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21660; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21636; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:16 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a101.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.101]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07143; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904281716.NAA07143@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a101.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.101] 209.198.80.101 Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:16:40 -0400 To: "Steve Hultquist" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> Subject: RE: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: The web site shows support for W98 and WNT 4.0. Nothing else. No other versions of these systems, OS2 or Linux. >Another question to ask is whether this might be the first IBM Thinkpad >system with Linux support. Anyone know what systems they intend to >support for Linux? >ssh >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493 >>[mailto:trss@blackwell.co.uk]On Behalf Of Robin Stephenson >>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:45 AM >>To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:49 -0600 >>>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hultquist wrote: >> >>Steve> Don't forget the Linux on Thinkpad page that used to be on wwsi >>Steve> but has moved: http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html >> >>Thanks for that. One thing from that page that hadn't occurred to me: >>does anyone know whether the TP570 modem is likely to work or not? >> >>-- >> Robin Stephenson >> Goes To Work In Seconds >> _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 13:28:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02824 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22750; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22610; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa.royl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22588; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa.royl.com (208.240.192.2 -> haifa.royl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:26:53 -0400 Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:28:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199904281028.3732721.6@haifa.royl.com> From: "Hosmer" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:29:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Hosmer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP770 Serial & IR working together List-Unsubscribe: I remember seeing a message a while back, about getting the serial and the IR ports to work at the same time. I am running Win NT. Does anyone know how to get both ports functioning at the same time? ___________________________________________ Stephen Hosmer Chief Financial Officer Royale Energy Inc. hosmer@royl.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 14:07:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03370 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26242; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26040; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25989; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07863 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought In-Reply-To: <00046B80.1225@jud.ca.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Mitchell Yee wrote: > You may also want to try this url: > http://www.onsale.com/category/at_P_300_plus_notebooks.htm > > the 570 PII-300 lists for $2625 > > Onsale isn't bad. They are not *that* bad, but still rate low enough that I'd be cautious: http://www.resellerratings.com -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 15:10:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04191 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00845; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:07:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00580; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00525; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:07:04 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16959; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE9188.3880D6A0.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "'Robin Stephenson'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: online dealers: recommendations/warnings sought Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:03:05 -0500 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Robin, I can tell you we deal with PCZone (my TP600 came from here) PC Mall, CDW, MicroWarehouse, and CompUSA. My company probably buys several thousand in PCs & components each month. All 1 or 2 pcs. at a time. Just-in-time inventory. All appear first rate - never a spot of trouble. Micro/Mac/DataComm Warehouse appears to have the best selection, but this is subjective based on the fact that inevitably I end up at their site as often as all the others combined. My 2c I'd ask how well you'd got on with these dealerships -- both good and bad experiences. I'll anonymise & summarise to the list if you'd rather email me privately. Oh yeah, if you know of some great top secret little shop that isn't one of these, please let me know! -- Robin Stephenson Place Stick Under Thumb And Hold Firmly From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 15:20:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04372 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01745; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:18:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01620; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01572; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:17:52 -0400 Received: from 913168329worldnet ([12.78.146.160]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990428191740.CVES19638@913168329worldnet>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:17:40 +0000 Message-ID: <002001be91ac$12f1ee00$a0924e0c@att.net> From: "mark" To: , "M. Kokaly" Cc: References: <000f01be90e4$fcfc77e0$3f258ad1@gw> Subject: Re: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:19:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: That ThinkPad 600 for 1 cent was up a week ago. Of course I ordered one COD! As you can guess, I never got it. I simply received an e-mail about 54 days after ordering one that it was permanently out of stock. Bull! ----- Original Message ----- From: James Lai To: M. Kokaly Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: AccessMicro did it again! Tp600 for $0.01 > For those of you who thinks it's a mishap. They did it again today with the > TP600 PII300 with 32MB for $0.01 > > Now doesn't it look suspicious?? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: M. Kokaly [mailto:ranger5@u.washington.edu] > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:01 AM > > To: Aaron W. Brown > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: $313.95 !!!!!!!!! THINKPAD 560 P2-233 4.0GB > > > > > > > > Good points Aaron. There is one question many people who were supporting > > "just letting it go, they made a mistake" are forgetting to ask > > themselves. I noticed they had an ETA of 4/22 for the Thinkpad. However, > > there is now no mention of that particular notebook anywhere on their > > website that I could find after the "error". So, what happened to those > > notebooks that were supposed to arrive on 4/22? Could it be they never > > existed? Doesn't sound like a "mistake" to me at all. I ordered one and > > never got a notice from Access Micro. I did notice that in those posted, > > there wasn't a line that said something like "There was a pricing error, > > the correct price was $xxx. Please contact us if you want to order the > > notebook at that price." How come there wasn't? > > > > Matthew T Kokaly > > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > > > > > I have a couple of thoughts on this issue which I don't think > > have been > > > addressed yet. > > > > > > I too tried to order this Thinkpad. I don't have much > > sympathy for them > > > and here's why: > > > > > > I called the 800 number to order. As soon as I said "I would > > like to order > > > a Thinkpad", the person said "You mean that $300 one? That was > > a typo, we > > > don't even have any in stock." (no bait and switch was > > attempted on their > > > part) > > > I called them on the phone rather than order online because > > there was no > > > way I would give them my: > > > > > > A. credit card number > > > B. email address > > > > > > I would suggest they collected quite a few of both over the 3 > > DAYS(!) that > > > price was listed. Many folks set up new accounts and might return just > > > because of that. How many people bookmarked this $313.95 site? > > > Also: Now that they have your email address they might market to you > > > (spam) in a future email. > > > > > > Another issue: > > > Is this online dealer intentionally posting low prices to > > insure they come > > > up as "the low price" in these popluar price tracker sites like > > > pricescan.com? Low price, yes, but so low they don't need to honor it. > > > This would have the effect of getting the online dealer noticed > > by potential > > > buyers who were previously unaware of the site. > > > > > > Even if these are not the reasons for the $313.95 Thinkpad, > > remember this > > > rule of advertising: > > > I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my > > name correctly. > > > Similar to "Any PR is good PR". > > > > > > One more idea (the dealer is the victim): The dealer's site > > maintainer > > > gets paid by the "hit". > > > > > > I would not discourage or judge anyone who wants to fight > > them to honor > > > their price. The BBB should at least warn people of these practices. > > > > > > Aaron Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 18:39:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06785 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14225; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14001; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13970; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:32:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-99.gate.net [199.227.173.99]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA390106; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:33:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37278C87.3544BFBE@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:32:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hosmer CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP770 Serial & IR working together References: <199904281028.3732721.6@haifa.royl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you'll need to give up some other resource.. it can be done, but it takes some tweaking.. i'm not an NT user so advice from someone more familiar with NT might be more help.. :-) Hosmer wrote: > I remember seeing a message a while back, about getting the serial and the IR ports to work at the same time. I am running Win NT. Does anyone know how > to get both ports functioning at the same time? > > ___________________________________________ > Stephen Hosmer > Chief Financial Officer > Royale Energy Inc. > hosmer@royl.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 18:55:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06961 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15677; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:53:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15578; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15565; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (205.133.171.1 -> woody.wcnet.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:53:13 -0400 Received: from peach.z.org. (IDENT:jzawodn@find-cas3-cs-47.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.252]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04786; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:52:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Robin Stephenson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 28 Apr 1999 18:58:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Robin Stephenson's message of "28 Apr 1999 17:26:54 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Robin Stephenson writes: > Jeremy> Check out this story: > > Jeremy> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990426.piredhat.htm > [...] > This is something different (although interesting) -- IBM are > releasing Via Voice for Linux (software). They are also apparently > about to announce support for Linux on a laptop (hardware). Steve > was saying that it wuld be interesting to know which hardware they > plan on supporting: my impression was that it was one of the low-end > machines, but I can't point to anything in black & white to > substantiate that. Err. Right. :-( I *know* I saw an on-line reference very recently (past few days) to a Web site about IBM shipping Linux on ThinkPads. Now I've gotta figure out where the darn thing was... Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 6:57pm up 53 days, 4:11, 4 users, load average: 0.49, 0.36, 0.16 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 19:46:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07419 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18373; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:43:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18189; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18170; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:43:49 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-166.islandnet.com [139.142.112.166] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10cdzT-000WSWC for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: radmax@duesouth.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:04:32 -0500 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <004001be8f94$e93be160$02000003@fatmandt> In-Reply-To: <004001be8f94$e93be160$02000003@fatmandt> Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I also bought a used Dock II, from somebody on this list, but the IDE cable in it had been removed. This is not your standard IDE cable because it provides both data and power for a laptop-size drive. And therein lies one possible problem: the Dock II may support only one IDE device because the cable has only one plug. There may also be BIOS/hardware limitations. If anybody has a modest price on this cable, I'd like to buy one! So you may be "stuck" with SCSI for CD-ROM. However, this allows you to buy a lovely used Plextor CD-ROM from, say, ebay. Consider it an opportunity rather than a hardship. Please don't post in HTML. In article <004001be8f94$e93be160$02000003@fatmandt>, you wrote: :Just got a used DOCK II for my TP 755CE, and want to add a CD-ROM and = :extra HD. :Been through the manuals and IBM online and haven't been able to figure = :this out. Is the DOCK 2 limited to just one IDE device?=20 :They talk about multiple SCSI's but only one IDE. :I remember my old desktops having a BIOS limitation of only 2 hard = :drives, and then E-IDE came out.=20 : :With my 755 CE's INTERNAL Hard Drive counting as a first device, can I = :use BOTH an IDE CD-ROM and IDE Hard Drive, or do I HAVE to go with only = :one IDE and then a SCSI? :The preference is for both to be IDE (cheaper, more available) : :If I have to go with a SCSI device, which then should I get. CD-ROM OR = :Hard Drive :I know the dock is a 50 pin SCSI 2, but I keep seeing adds for FAST, = :WIDE, ULTRA FAST, ULTRA WIDE, and ULTRA SCSI 2? :(I knew I should have paid more attention to SCSI talk 5 years ago. : :Any help appreciated. :radmax : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 20:18:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07728 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20491; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:17:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20352; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20334; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:16:53 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:16:38 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Jonathan Berry" , Cc: Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:20:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01be91d6$14a466e0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >I also bought a used Dock II, from somebody on this list, but >the IDE cable in it had been removed. This is not your >standard IDE cable because it provides both data and power for >a laptop-size drive. And therein lies one possible problem: >the Dock II may support only one IDE device because the cable >has only one plug. There may also be BIOS/hardware >limitations. > >If anybody has a modest price on this cable, I'd like to buy >one! > ME TOOO and the hard drive adapter ;-} ..peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 20:51:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07991 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22084; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:43:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21934; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21920; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (142.90.100.2 -> reg.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:43:02 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:42:57 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: RE: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:46:46 -0700 Message-ID: <01be91d9$c2283be0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >I also bought a used Dock II, from somebody on this list, but >the IDE cable in it had been removed. This is not your >standard IDE cable because it provides both data and power for >a laptop-size drive. And therein lies one possible problem: >the Dock II may support only one IDE device because the cable >has only one plug. There may also be BIOS/hardware >limitations. > >If anybody has a modest price on this cable, I'd like to buy >one! > ME TOOO and the hard drive adapter ;-} ..peter.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 21:13:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08155 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24006; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:11:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23798; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23769; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:10:59 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id SAA24401; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3727B1FE.A2599D45@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:12:30 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Hosmer , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP770 Serial & IR working together References: <199904281028.3732721.6@haifa.royl.com> <37278C87.3544BFBE@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If NT is at all like win95, you can 1. disable IR, enable serial 2. reboot to confirm 3. change serial IRQ to something seldom used like IRQ5. 4. reboot to confirm 5. enable IR 6. reboot to confirm this should allow both serial and IR together, but each consumes one IRQ so make sure you have enough free ones to start with. this has nothing to do with plug n play, so in *theory* NT should be able to do it too, assuming the TP config program works the same under win95 and NT. I've done the above on my 560X under win95 and it works perfectly. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > you'll need to give up some other resource.. > it can be done, but it takes some tweaking.. > > i'm not an NT user so advice from someone more familiar with NT might be more help.. :-) > > Hosmer wrote: > > > I remember seeing a message a while back, about getting the serial and the IR ports to work at the same time. I am running Win NT. Does anyone know how > > to get both ports functioning at the same time? > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Stephen Hosmer > > Chief Financial Officer > > Royale Energy Inc. > > hosmer@royl.com > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 22:01:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08592 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26147; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25953; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25928; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net (38.9.28.2 -> relay5.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:23 -0400 Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10cg6i-00045w-00; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:20 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB061FD83B@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Benjamin Koh '" , "'Bill Morrow '" Cc: "'Hosmer '" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: TP770 Serial & IR working together Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:59:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Also, You may want to look in the FAQ section of the 770 IBM support on the web. I think it's spelled out there as well. Regards, Neil Halvey TP 770ED TP 600 TP 701 -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Koh To: Bill Morrow Cc: Hosmer; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 4/28/99 9:12 PM Subject: Re: TP770 Serial & IR working together If NT is at all like win95, you can 1. disable IR, enable serial 2. reboot to confirm 3. change serial IRQ to something seldom used like IRQ5. 4. reboot to confirm 5. enable IR 6. reboot to confirm this should allow both serial and IR together, but each consumes one IRQ so make sure you have enough free ones to start with. this has nothing to do with plug n play, so in *theory* NT should be able to do it too, assuming the TP config program works the same under win95 and NT. I've done the above on my 560X under win95 and it works perfectly. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > you'll need to give up some other resource.. > it can be done, but it takes some tweaking.. > > i'm not an NT user so advice from someone more familiar with NT might be more help.. :-) > > Hosmer wrote: > > > I remember seeing a message a while back, about getting the serial and the IR ports to work at the same time. I am running Win NT. Does anyone know how > > to get both ports functioning at the same time? > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Stephen Hosmer > > Chief Financial Officer > > Royale Energy Inc. > > hosmer@royl.com > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Apr 28 22:58:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09104 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28922; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:56:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28735; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay13.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28718; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay13.jaring.my (192.228.128.124 -> relay13.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:56:29 -0400 Received: from defualt (j7.glg88.jaring.my [161.142.207.21]) by relay13.jaring.my (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24317; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:56:11 +0800 (MYT) Message-ID: <016201be91eb$c4ffe7c0$15cf8ea1@defualt> From: "conran" To: Cc: "STeve Andre'" References: <3.0.6.32.19990428114817.00889940@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [TP 1451 series i] Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:54:57 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:48 PM Subject: [TP 1451 series i] > > Any comments about Xircom as a company--any reasons to stay away from them? > > Thanks, all. > > --STeve Xircom credit card 33.6 modems were sold with TP380 in Penang nearly 2 years ago. Had no problems, full-on manual! Graham. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 01:29:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10376 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05138; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04787; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04761; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-136-185.bc.ca.ibm.net [129.37.136.185]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA92240 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:26:39 GMT Message-ID: <3727EDF2.BD8AF639@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:28:18 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net Organization: SIVCO Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad USB port under NT 4.0 References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------40D49F72B2379BBDF6A7A343" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------40D49F72B2379BBDF6A7A343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to make the TP 770 -s USB (or 770X) to make it work under Windows NT 4.0 (SP3) ? Geza .................................................................. Geza Szivos Systems Analyst / DBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified VisualAge Java Associate Developer, Certified DB2 Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer, SIVCO Inc. Tel.: (403) 850-4500 Fax: (403) 547-4741 E-mail: Szivos@IBM.net Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com 118 Arbour Summit Close NW #200 Olympic Towers 300 Pearl St. Calgary, Alberta Canada Buffalo NY USA T3G 3W2 14202 ................................................................... --------------40D49F72B2379BBDF6A7A343 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="szivos.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Geza Szivos Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="szivos.vcf" begin:vcard n:Szivos;Geza tel;fax:(403) 547-4741 tel;work:(403) 850-4500 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.sivco.com org:SIVCO Inc. adr:;;118 Arbour Summit Close NW;Calgary;Alberta;T3G 3W2;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:Szivos@ibm.net title:System Analyst/DBA note:Your complete Business Inteligence Solution provider. fn:Geza Szivos end:vcard --------------40D49F72B2379BBDF6A7A343-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 01:29:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10380 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05143; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04745; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04732; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:26:35 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-083-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.163]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05043; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <007601be9200$53e7ad60$a35242cf@raybay> From: "Brillig" To: "conran" , References: <3.0.6.32.19990428114817.00889940@pilot.msu.edu> <016201be91eb$c4ffe7c0$15cf8ea1@defualt> Subject: Re: [TP 1451 series i] Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:22:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have been supervising 242 laptops using mostly MWave, 3-Com, and Xircom modems. The Xircom's have been by far the best, and parts availability the widest. I would have no problem going with Xircom despite their higher cost. The new ones have the best connectors I have seen. I was never fond of the dongle type, but none ever went bad... a lot of them went lost at about $36 to replace, but replaceable everywhere. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 02:00:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10675 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06574; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:59:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06436; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06421; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (195.92.193.20 -> mail5.svr.pol.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:59:39 -0400 Received: from modem-34.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.27.162] helo=gateway) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cjrD-0002eG-00 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:59:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001101be9205$94408260$a21b883e@gateway> From: "Paul Gorman" To: Subject: Battery not charging Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:00:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I left a fully charged battery in my 560x for 2 weeks while I was away on holiday , when I got back and used the battery it would'nt charge up . When I plug in the AC adaptor the battery indicator light flashes orange . Has anyone else had this happen ? thanks Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 06:33:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12061 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23683; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23546; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23518; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:31:27 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10co6E-0006cP-00; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:31:22 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <002401be918f$2986bf00$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 29 Apr 1999 11:31:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: jzawodn@wcnet.org's message of "28 Apr 1999 18:58:48 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On 28 Apr 1999 18:58:48 -0400 >>>>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy D Zawodny wrote: [...] Jeremy> I *know* I saw an on-line reference very recently (past few Jeremy> days) to a Web site about IBM shipping Linux on ThinkPads. Jeremy> Now I've gotta figure out where the darn thing was... I suspect we're both thinking of this: Within 30 days, IBM [...] plans to increase its support of Linux by shipping a base model ThinkPad notebook for use with the operating system, [...] "We plan to ship a base machine without any operating system on it [...] So they're not talking (yet) about shipping Linux it seems, just about not forcing people to pay for Windows if they don't want it. Hopefully they'll put some effort into either twisting vendors' arms to help provide drivers (NeoMagic, mwave, you know who you are) or doing it themselves. It'd be good for people to be able to spend more time on useful things like Coda than reverse engineering the video chipset-o-the-month. -- Robin Stephenson See Page 4 For Our Valuable Offer From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 08:35:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12707 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29573; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:31:07 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29271; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:31:05 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA14202 for dist-thinkpad; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25371; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (205.133.171.1 -> woody.wcnet.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:46:13 -0400 Received: from peach.z.org. (IDENT:jzawodn@find5-cs-5.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.74]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17697; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:46:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Robin Stephenson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-04 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 28 Apr 1999 21:52:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: Robin Stephenson's message of "28 Apr 1999 10:53:44 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Robin Stephenson writes: > X-related > video -- I'm planning on the 1024x768, but 8bpp would be suboptimal > `mouse' buttons -- are all 3 buttons usable? > > What X server do Thinkpad owners usually use? Is Accelerated-X > or Metro-X a worthwhile buy? I think that the 570 uses the > NeoMagic chipset & XFree86 support seems fairly `young' -- in > particular in 1024x768 it seems only 8bpp is possible. > On my ThinkPad 380D, I've been using the NeoMagic driver that RedHat supplied in binary form (before it was officially part of the XFree project). I'm using it at 16bpp and 800x600. It has worked flawlessly ever since I installed it. Hope that helps. Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 9:48pm up 53 days, 7:02, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 08:59:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA12900 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00820; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00567; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00544; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:09 -0400 Received: from TereziB@aol.com (328) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oKILa23198 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41910e2f.2459afc6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:51:18 EDT Subject: Re: subscription request/new member To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 4/29/99 8:27:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thinkpad-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU writes: << Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST address -- if you reply to this message, it goes to the wrong place!) >> Hi, I'm Tere in MA. I recently (March 99) purchased a Thinkpad 600E/300 after comparing it and the Tosh Tecra 8000. Basically I was attracted by the quality of the keyboard, and IBM's good rep for tech support and warranty. I previously owned a Tosh Sat Pro 430CDS, and before that a Winbook 486. So far, I love this new Thinkpad. It has a wonderful keyboard (I was getting real bad CTS with the Tosh), and it's so much faster (the Tosh was a Pentium 120). Not to mention the big screen. My criteria leading to deciding between those two models was I needed a laptop with a pointer stick (I've been using them for several years, I just can't seem to use a touchpad easily, and don't like to have to use a plug in mouse), and the ability to get a ZipDrive for the bay. I have a small business/hobby which I run off my laptop; a website for vintage costume jewelry, inventory for it and my collection, and I am a very participatory member of a very active mailing list on that subject (often 100 posts a day), so I use my laptop a LOT. I like the ability to plunk myself down anywhere and put my Thinkpad on my lap, rather than being chained to a regular desktop. So basically, this Thinkpad is a desktop replacement for me. I seldom use battery power, mostly plugged in. I have the 4 gigbyte drive, although I now regret not getting a bigger hard drive, I didn't realize how MUCH space Win98 takes up! I've already filled almost 3/4 of it. I have 64 megs of RAM, as I do jpgs a lot (maybe I should have gotten more?). And of course the ZipDrive, which I use to store my jpgs, and do backups with. I'm using the built-in 56K modem - which leads me to this question - I only ever seem to connect at 32K (according to the AOL connect thing) - is it just my Thinkpad, or do others see slow connection speeds? I'm not sure if this is the real connect speed, cause the apparent connect (website loading) speed seems a lot faster on this laptop than it did using a 56K Megahertz/3Com PC card modem on my Tosh. I live in a rural area, so I think it'll be quite a while til I get cable ISP service. I've been using computers and been online about 5 1/2 years, so I'm not a rank newbie, but I'm far from being a techie. Seems like everyone else is either way beyond me technically, or can't ttell a jpg from a URL! Not too many in the middle, like me. To me, computers are a means of communication. Okay, I promise to shut up and listen for a while. Tere in MA Terezi Vintage http://www.Terezi.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 11:13:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14257 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08762; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:04:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08511; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08447; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:04:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-105.gate.net [199.227.173.105]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA349952; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:05:26 -0400 Message-ID: <372874EE.64E40AD1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:04:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Gorman CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery not charging References: <001101be9205$94408260$a21b883e@gateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. normally, charging will stop at 95% if you put a battery with 95% or above in the machine.. if the charge level is below 95% it should charge up to 100% and shut off.. thereafter charging should not resume until the charge level drops below, you guessed it, 95%.. :-) IF the battery is old (over a year or so), then it could be kaput..! otherwise, the only other thing is could be is dirty contacts or the like... you can try to "cycle" it.. total discharge, then recharge.. but i don't think this will work with Li batteries like it does with NiCad... the only other possibility is a bad charge circuit.. which, if my memory is correct, is located just inside the case where the AC adapter plugs in and i think its a small board that can be replaced.. not easily, but quite possible, if you have no remaining warranty.. Paul Gorman wrote: > I left a fully charged battery in my 560x for 2 weeks while I was away on > holiday , when I got back and used the battery it would'nt charge up . When > I plug in the AC adaptor the battery indicator light flashes orange . > > Has anyone else had this happen ? > > thanks Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 11:18:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14376 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09353; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09236; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09221; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:12:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-105.gate.net [199.227.173.105]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA443466; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: <372876EB.7DC8EC05@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:12:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: szivos@ibm.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad USB port under NT 4.0 References: <3727EDF2.BD8AF639@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There should be, there is an NT preload available.. i've never seen the NT preload machine, (they are hard to find) but its there so i suggest looking through the IBM driver matrix... and the last time i loaded NT and really tried to make it work well, it was on a 760X... OTH, USB support might be built into NT..?!? and there IS a SP4 out now, i think.. (i have heard a few complaints about it, so i know somethings out there) SO, to give you a direct answer.. YES, but i don't know how to implement it under NT.. :-) Geza Szivos wrote: > Is there any way to make the TP 770 -s USB (or 770X) to make it work > under > Windows NT 4.0 (SP3) ? > > Geza > > .................................................................. > Geza Szivos > Systems Analyst / DBA > Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, > Certified VisualAge Java Associate Developer, > Certified DB2 Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist > Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer, > > SIVCO Inc. > Tel.: (403) 850-4500 Fax: (403) 547-4741 > E-mail: Szivos@IBM.net > Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com > > 118 Arbour Summit Close NW #200 Olympic Towers 300 Pearl St. > Calgary, Alberta Canada Buffalo NY USA > T3G 3W2 14202 > ................................................................... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Geza Szivos > System Analyst/DBA > SIVCO Inc. > > Geza Szivos > System Analyst/DBA > SIVCO Inc. HTML Mail > 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Fax: (403) 547-4741 > Calgary Work: (403) 850-4500 > Alberta > T3G 3W2 > Canada > Your complete Business Inteligence Solution provider. > Additional Information: > Last Name Szivos > First Name Geza > Version 2.1 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 11:36:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14696 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11721; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11591; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11554; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:26 -0400 Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12070; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18940; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396R5C>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: conran , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Brillig'" Subject: RE: [TP 1451 series i] Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:29:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Personally I like Linksys stuff. This is mainly due to them supplying OS/2 drivers. I noticed that they are starting to supply linux drivers as well. I used their PCMCIA Combo card. Recently I bought the 10/100 Fast Ethernet/ 56K Modem card. Seems to work good and no Dongle. You do have to put it in the top slot because the connectors are attached at the card end in a housing. There is some useful LEDs on the top of the housing. I have not tried setting the card up in Linux. It is the featured product on the Linksys web page. http://www.linksys.com I also used their PCI Combo Lan card on a 10Base2 network. I just recently replaced it with the new Linksys 10/100 network starter kit (5 port 10/100 Hub, 2 PCI cards (based on Dec Tulip type chip) and other odds and ends. I got it at a price that one would pay for a 100 only 4 port Hub). Netgear is popular here at work but they do not want to know about OS/2. Also let me know if this is is in html. I recently change my MS exchange client setup And cannot seem to find where to shut off HTML. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Brillig [SMTP:brillig@cia-g.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 1:23 AM To: conran; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 1451 series i] I have been supervising 242 laptops using mostly MWave, 3-Com, and Xircom modems. The Xircom's have been by far the best, and parts availability the widest. I would have no problem going with Xircom despite their higher cost. The new ones have the best connectors I have seen. I was never fond of the dongle type, but none ever went bad... a lot of them went lost at about $36 to replace, but replaceable everywhere. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 11:49:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14904 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12944; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:47:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12811; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12798; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 8:47:11 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Cc: Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:50:57 -0700 Message-ID: <01be9258$125fd400$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: That's very nice Tom ;-} But the cable in question is a 60 Pin cable . ..peter.. >Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE > > >I have notebook sized IDE 44 pin flat ribbon cables. They are 4 inches long >and have keyed connections for both ends. > >They are folded to have the connectors 90 degrees from each other but they >are easily unfolded and flattened out. > >They are $8 each plus $2 S&H - USA Only. > >Let me know. > >Tom >> >> >>>Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >>> >>> >>>>I also bought a used Dock II, from somebody on this list, but >>>>the IDE cable in it had been removed. This is not your >>>>standard IDE cable because it provides both data and power for >>>>a laptop-size drive. And therein lies one possible problem: >>>>the Dock II may support only one IDE device because the cable >>>>has only one plug. There may also be BIOS/hardware >>>>limitations. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>If anybody has a modest price on this cable, I'd like to buy >>>>one! >>>> >>> >>> >>>ME TOOO >>>and the hard drive adapter ;-} >>> >>> >>>..peter.. >>> >>> >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 14:47:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17272 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25662; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25475; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25461; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.217.153 -> ah-img-2.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:30 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.4) id OAA12631 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:45:06 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: MWave will go up to 33,600bps Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199904291445_MC2-73ED-30BE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: ... >I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. IBM has had >a bad history of releasing timely updates for their MWave (I >don't think 28.8 was available for nearly a year after 28.8 >modems started showing up in stores), and Linux support has >been spotty-nonexistent, so I have as a rule avoided TPs with >MWave. But even if you do have one, you can always buy a >PCMCIA/Cardbus modem and use it in lieu of the MWave.... The last upgrade for Mwave was to 33,600 which I have on my 755CX under W= in 95 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 15:03:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17512 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27117; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:00:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26789; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26773; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:00:26 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:59:22 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Tom Collins" Cc: Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:02:52 -0700 Message-ID: <01be9272$e1b33de0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Nope. ;-} I have one of the actual cables . It's a short cable , ~4" . 60Pin socket to a 60 Pin socket . The other side is for the 39H3987, AKA 39H3992, AKA 39H3990 which is the adapter for ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive's into the Dock I and Dock II. If you are using a "newer" computer such as the 760E series and up you also need the Thinkpad IDE adapter card 46H5994 , AKA 39H7432 . It's available for ~$16 . It goes in between the EIDE port on the DockII /I and the 60 Pin cable . It changes a few of the signals around . There is another cable I'm also looking for: 84G5253 , which should be the IDE adapter cable for a Dock1 / 2 to a standard IDE /ATAPI device. ie. it's 60Pins (sockets) on one side and less on the other . The SCSI cable is 50 pin . There is only one SCSI port inside the Dock II but two (three) connectors on the cable . IBM is very strange ....... ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Collins To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:46 AM Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >I see. Are you sure it's not SCSI? > >Thanks, >Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP >To: jberry@islandnet.com >Cc: radmax@duesouth.net >Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE > > >>That's very nice Tom ;-} >>But the cable in question is a 60 Pin cable . >> >>..peter.. >> >> >>>Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >>> >>> >>>I have notebook sized IDE 44 pin flat ribbon cables. They are 4 inches >long >>>and have keyed connections for both ends. >>> >>>They are folded to have the connectors 90 degrees from each other but they >>>are easily unfolded and flattened out. >>> >>>They are $8 each plus $2 S&H - USA Only. >>> >>>Let me know. >>> >>>Tom >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: DOCK 2 and IDE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I also bought a used Dock II, from somebody on this list, but >>>>>>the IDE cable in it had been removed. This is not your >>>>>>standard IDE cable because it provides both data and power for >>>>>>a laptop-size drive. And therein lies one possible problem: >>>>>>the Dock II may support only one IDE device because the cable >>>>>>has only one plug. There may also be BIOS/hardware >>>>>>limitations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If anybody has a modest price on this cable, I'd like to buy >>>>>>one! >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 15:19:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17764 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28515; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:17:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28372; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28357; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:17:04 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA05680 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990429133614.008adcc0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:36:14 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Thinkpad USB port under NT 4.0 In-Reply-To: <372876EB.7DC8EC05@icanect.net> References: <3727EDF2.BD8AF639@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:12 AM 4/29/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >and there IS a SP4 out now, i think.. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 17:18:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19355 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07432; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:16:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07221; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07186; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (195.222.117.1 -> ns.tirnet.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:15:59 -0400 Received: from tirnet.de (dial-in124.tirnet.de [195.222.117.124]) by tirnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA31019 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:15:44 +0200 Message-ID: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:16:39 +0200 From: dneumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: machine type question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Let's speak english ... Hello, I bought my used 760 ED last september: Pentium 166 MMX 3 GB HD 48 MB RAM Machine Type 9546 X9E W 95, trying to install Linux (SuSE 6.0) it is much better than my old Siemens Nixdorf PCD-4ND, a 486/66, 4MB, 820MB HD, Freecom parallel CD-ROM machine, really old stuff. First question: (not really a problem) by profiling on the IBM - Homepage big blue concludes from my machine type that I should have a 760 XD, but on the top (right) of my keyboard is a sign 760 ED. What's up now, ED or XD, that's the question ... a little bit confused, but happy thinkpad user Dirk -- Dirk Neumann Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 D-95692 Konnersreuth (Germany / Bavaria) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 17:22:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19401 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07970; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:21:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07812; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07797; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:20:55 -0400 Received: from pritzr (209-122-227-72.s72.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.227.72]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA08452 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990429171810.00965a20@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:20:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: TP 570 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Any idea when online retailers will stock the new TP 570? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 17:31:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19491 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08869; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08755; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08736; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (128.9.160.161 -> boreas.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:29:44 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (weaver.isi.edu [128.9.64.205]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11722; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: swa@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <3728CF43.2A54EB79@ISI.EDU> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:29:39 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en,en-GB,it,es,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 770: $1200 @ compusanet, but backordered Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: About a month ago I posted to this list about a $1200 new TP 770 for sale at compusanet.com and indicated that I had ordered the last one. Well, a month has elapsed with it still being "backordered", so I've cancelled my order with them and bought a TP 600 PII/233 from another vendor. I guess that means they now have one available; thought I would let the folks on this list know about it. If any of you feel like possibly waiting for a long time. --Steve A From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 17:40:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19588 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09606; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09405; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09388; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:34:02 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.174]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990429213357.DIAT14409@770>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:33:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3728D04D.3347@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:34:05 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dneumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: machine type question References: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 760ED is a P133, NOT a 166 That is the main difference between the two models... dneumann wrote: > > Let's speak english ... > > Hello, > > I bought my used 760 ED last september: > > Pentium 166 MMX > 3 GB HD > 48 MB RAM > Machine Type 9546 X9E > W 95, trying to install Linux (SuSE 6.0) > > it is much better than my old Siemens Nixdorf PCD-4ND, a 486/66, 4MB, > 820MB HD, Freecom parallel CD-ROM machine, really old stuff. > > First question: (not really a problem) > by profiling on the IBM - Homepage big blue concludes from my machine > type that I should have a 760 XD, > but on the top (right) of my keyboard is a sign 760 ED. > What's up now, ED or XD, that's the question ... > > a little bit confused, but happy thinkpad user > > Dirk > > -- > Dirk Neumann > Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 > > D-95692 Konnersreuth > (Germany / Bavaria) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:05:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19839 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11914; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11750; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11725; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:05 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17572; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199904292203.SAA17572@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: machine type question To: dirkneumann@tirnet.de (dneumann) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> from "dneumann" at Apr 29, 99 11:16:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Maybe you have a 760XD with a replacement keyboard from a 760ED? I suspect that they differ only by the label. The 760ED never shipped with a P166MMX, to the best of my knowledge. > I bought my used 760 ED last september: > > Pentium 166 MMX > 3 GB HD > 48 MB RAM > Machine Type 9546 X9E > W 95, trying to install Linux (SuSE 6.0) > > it is much better than my old Siemens Nixdorf PCD-4ND, a 486/66, 4MB, > 820MB HD, Freecom parallel CD-ROM machine, really old stuff. > > First question: (not really a problem) > by profiling on the IBM - Homepage big blue concludes from my machine > type that I should have a 760 XD, > but on the top (right) of my keyboard is a sign 760 ED. > What's up now, ED or XD, that's the question ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:06:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19874 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12101; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11924; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11888; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (198.133.22.42 -> smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:53 -0400 Received: from northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (northrelay02.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.22]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA53292 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com (d51mta05.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.33]) by northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id SAA120354 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:47 -0400 Received: by D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256762.007947BD ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:42 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMCA@IBMUS To: dneumann cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <85256762.007945D0.00@D51MTA05.pok.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:04:05 -0400 Subject: Re: machine type question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Congratulations, you are the owner of a 760XD. (760E series had 133/150 Pentiums) >I bought my used 760 ED last september: >Pentium 166 MMX >3 GB HD >48 MB RAM >Machine Type 9546 X9E Drew. #include From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:17:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20030 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13230; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13131; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13116; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-105.gate.net [199.227.173.105]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA301122; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3728DA21.3833C770@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:16:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dneumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: machine type question References: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i THINK the 760X series is the first to have the fan.. so, if there is a little grille in the middle of the back of the machine, then you do have the 760X series machine with the P-166.. that and the 3gig drive were the main differences.. ALSO, lest i forget, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD.. that is the first machine not to have the door in the bottom to access the memory.. one more difference.. the 760X series can use one 64meg DIMM and one 32meg DIMM, together with the 16megs onboard, for a total of 104megs memory.. dneumann wrote: > Let's speak english ... > > Hello, > > I bought my used 760 ED last september: > > Pentium 166 MMX > 3 GB HD > 48 MB RAM > Machine Type 9546 X9E > W 95, trying to install Linux (SuSE 6.0) > > it is much better than my old Siemens Nixdorf PCD-4ND, a 486/66, 4MB, > 820MB HD, Freecom parallel CD-ROM machine, really old stuff. > > First question: (not really a problem) > by profiling on the IBM - Homepage big blue concludes from my machine > type that I should have a 760 XD, > but on the top (right) of my keyboard is a sign 760 ED. > What's up now, ED or XD, that's the question ... > > a little bit confused, but happy thinkpad user > > Dirk > > -- > Dirk Neumann > Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 > > D-95692 Konnersreuth > (Germany / Bavaria) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:19:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20067 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13588; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13343; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13329; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-105.gate.net [199.227.173.105]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA279608; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:18:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3728DA6B.8D42D1B6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:17:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770: $1200 @ compusanet, but backordered References: <3728CF43.2A54EB79@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven.. by the time that 770 for $1200 ships it will be worth $800.. :-) Steven Augart wrote: > About a month ago I posted to this list about a $1200 new TP 770 for > sale at compusanet.com and indicated that I had ordered the last one. > > Well, a month has elapsed with it still being "backordered", so I've > cancelled my order with them and bought a TP 600 PII/233 from another > vendor. > > I guess that means they now have one available; thought I would let > the folks on this list know about it. If any of you feel like > possibly waiting for a long time. > > --Steve A -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:47:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20337 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15668; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15466; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15432; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (128.250.20.111 -> smtp1.unimelb.edu.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:30 -0400 Received: from granville.its.unimelb.edu.au (granville.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.146.85]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #31573) with ESMTP id <01JAMZJC9XTC9AMFRV@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:45:17 +1000 Received: (from rns@localhost) by granville.its.unimelb.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA17566 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:45:15 +1000 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:45:15 +1000 From: Robert Sturrock Subject: TP701C Battery Advice Sought In-reply-to: <372874EE.64E40AD1@icanect.net>; from Bill Morrow on Thu, Apr 29, 1999 at 11:04:14AM -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <19990430084515.H10351@its.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <001101be9205$94408260$a21b883e@gateway> <372874EE.64E40AD1@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Apr 29, 1999 at 11:04:14AM -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: [...] > IF the battery is old (over a year or so), then it could be kaput..! > otherwise, the only other thing is could be is dirty contacts or the like... > > you can try to "cycle" it.. total discharge, then re-charge.. but i don't think > this will work with Li batteries like it does with NiCad... [...] On the subject of batteries, I have a ThinkPad-701C with a single NiCad battery. The battery is new (or so I'm led to believe). However, I don't really ever use the battery, since I mostly just plug the unit into the mains at home. I had been leaving the battery plugged into the system anyway, but someone told me this is a bad idea. I was also told that if I do use the battery, I should run it down to 0% then charge it back up again, rather than just running it down to say 70%? I want to preserve the battery for those rare occasions when I do need to use it. What is the best strategy for doing this? I have taken the battery out of the unit, but should I run it right down to 0% first, or is it OK to leave it charged up while in storage? Thanks. /r. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 18:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20345 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15726; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15526; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15325; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12 -> dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:43:06 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA06983; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:42:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny2-07.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.71) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006869; Thu Apr 29 17:42:04 1999 Message-ID: <3728DFF3.A8E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:40:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: dneumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: machine type question References: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> <3728D04D.3347@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > The 760ED is a P133, NOT a 166 > That is the main difference between the two models... > > dneumann wrote: > > > > Let's speak english ... > > > > Hello, > > > > I bought my used 760 ED last september: > > > > Pentium 166 MMX > > 3 GB HD > > 48 MB RAM > > Machine Type 9546 X9E > > W 95, trying to install Linux (SuSE 6.0) > > > > it is much better than my old Siemens Nixdorf PCD-4ND, a 486/66, 4MB, > > 820MB HD, Freecom parallel CD-ROM machine, really old stuff. > > > > First question: (not really a problem) > > by profiling on the IBM - Homepage big blue concludes from my machine > > type that I should have a 760 XD, > > but on the top (right) of my keyboard is a sign 760 ED. > > What's up now, ED or XD, that's the question ... > > > > a little bit confused, but happy thinkpad user > > > > Dirk > > > > -- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 > > > > D-95692 Konnersreuth > > (Germany / Bavaria) And the 760ED has a 2 gig hd (at least that model number.) harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 21:48:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22559 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23585; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:46:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23403; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mail.gol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23378; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.11 -> smtp01.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:46:33 -0400 Received: from tc-1-102.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-102.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.102]) by smtp01.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id KAA12937; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:46:25 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: TP701C -- IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:48:22 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.35Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if the IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive (part No. 03L5630) will work in a ThinkPad 701C? I've got a chance to mail-order one at a good price, but all the person selling it can tell is that it's "for ThinkPads" and it's "really small." -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 22:50:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23337 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26290; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26161; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26147; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:47:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-18.gate.net [199.227.131.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA305584; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <372919CE.1F0256B3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:47:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen A. Carter" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701C -- IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: yes, it should work fine.. i have tested up to 6.4gigs in the 701 series... the 10.4gig won't work.. have not tested the 8.1gig, 12.5mm drive in the 701 series.. but until i test it myself, i won't guarantee it.. :-) Stephen A. Carter wrote: > Does anyone know if the IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive (part No. > 03L5630) will work in a ThinkPad 701C? > > I've got a chance to mail-order one at a good price, but all the > person selling it can tell is that it's "for ThinkPads" and it's > "really small." > > -- > Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. > Nagoya, Japan > PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Apr 29 22:52:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23358 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26618; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26524; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26500; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-18.gate.net [199.227.131.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA279772; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37291A96.66D78C48@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:51:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sturrock CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701C Battery Advice Sought References: <001101be9205$94408260$a21b883e@gateway> <372874EE.64E40AD1@icanect.net> <19990430084515.H10351@its.unimelb.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IMO its worse to leave it uncharged for extended periods of time.. the NiCad is inferior to the NiMH.. the charge circuit ONLY charges when the machine is on (on, in suspend or, i think, in hibernation) and plugged in, obviously.. Robert Sturrock wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 1999 at 11:04:14AM -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > [...] > > > IF the battery is old (over a year or so), then it could be kaput..! > > otherwise, the only other thing is could be is dirty contacts or the like... > > > > you can try to "cycle" it.. total discharge, then re-charge.. but i don't think > > this will work with Li batteries like it does with NiCad... > > [...] > > On the subject of batteries, I have a ThinkPad-701C with a single > NiCad battery. The battery is new (or so I'm led to believe). However, > I don't really ever use the battery, since I mostly just plug the unit > into the mains at home. I had been leaving the battery plugged into the > system anyway, but someone told me this is a bad idea. I was also told > that if I do use the battery, I should run it down to 0% then charge it > back up again, rather than just running it down to say 70%? > > I want to preserve the battery for those rare occasions when I do need > to use it. What is the best strategy for doing this? I have taken the > battery out of the unit, but should I run it right down to 0% first, > or is it OK to leave it charged up while in storage? > > Thanks. > > /r. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 01:17:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24631 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02867; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02651; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02636; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (205.152.0.22 -> mail2.atl.bellsouth.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:16 -0400 Received: from fatman (adsl-77-229-89.atl.bellsouth.net [216.77.229.89]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA25649 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990430011516.007f0580@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lewj@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:16 -0400 To: thinkpad From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: MWave will go up to 33,600bps In-Reply-To: <199904291445_MC2-73ED-30BE@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm pretty sure the 1451i uses the 56k Lucent WinModem, like the 390E I have. Works okay, nothing spectacular. I see connect speeds in the 40's on my 390E. -- Lew At 02:45 PM 4/29/99 -0400, someone wrote: >>I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. > > >The last upgrade for Mwave was to 33,600 which I have on my 755CX under Win >95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lewj@mindspring.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 01:50:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA24794 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04191; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:49:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04081; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04061; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (130.223.8.20 -> uldns1.unil.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:49:32 -0400 Received: from pcibcm130b.unil.ch ([130.223.201.96] helo=thinkpad) by uldns1.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10d6Az-000161-00; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:49:29 +0200 From: "epralong" To: Subject: ThinkPad 600 Rating Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:43:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000101be92cc$5b913820$6437a8c0@unil.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, but I am always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer magazines that are the rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired to Dell or HP because of it's lack of speed due to the graphic chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main reasons why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and the built quality not the price. So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? Sincerely, Etienne Pralong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 02:04:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25026 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05023; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04889; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04876; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> access.crcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:02:50 -0400 X-ROUTED: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:07:06 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 17053984 ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:06:56 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Locking up Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000201be92ce$20333e20$28830cce@CRCN.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have owned a 755CDV, a 380XD, and a 560X (not the $3:00 kind) :-) On occasion each of these machines have frozen to a state where - it is not suspended (pressing the FN key doesn't wake things up) - Using the power switch will not turn it off - Unplugging the machine and pulling the battery is the only way I can shut it down and get things rebooted. This has occurred on these machines using both Windows 95 and 98. While it isn't an everyday occurrence, it certainly is annoying when it happens. My question: Has anyone experienced this problem on their ThinkPad and know a way of getting things going without pulling the power plug and battery? Having had this occur on three different machines I'm beginning to think it is a Thinkpad "feature" - but have not seen any discussion of this phenomenon on the list. Any thoughts here would be appreciated - apart from changing OS's. Thanks in advance Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 02:21:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25124 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05887; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:19:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05771; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05757; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:19:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-18.gate.net [199.227.131.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA345412; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:20:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37294B75.5CB982EB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:19:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: epralong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 Rating References: <000101be92cc$5b913820$6437a8c0@unil.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dear Etienne... When questioned about the high cost and somewhat old design of his automobiles, Sir Henry Rolls replied that the job of the Rolls Royce cars was not to innovate but to provide reliable, safe and comfortable transportation... OKOK, this IS a different ball game, but the idea i think is there.. One can always find some machine that is cheaper, but thinkpad users mostly appreciate the quality, support and enduring value of a thinkpad over brand x... absolute speed and absolutely the lowest price are not the prime moving forces here... reviewers run tests, read the results, add in the MSRP or street price and wind up with a number.. :-) epralong wrote: > Hello all, > > I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, but I am > always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer magazines that are the > rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired to Dell or HP because of it's lack of > speed due to the graphic chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main > reasons why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and the built > quality not the price. > So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? > > Sincerely, > > Etienne Pralong -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 02:27:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25161 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06399; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:26:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06276; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06262; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:26:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-18.gate.net [199.227.131.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA94392; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37294D09.29814B7@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:26:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Presidente CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Locking up References: <000201be92ce$20333e20$28830cce@CRCN.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Pat.. most thinkpads have a hardware reset switch.. its on the rear of the 755CDV.. i would need to locate the reset switch on the 380 and 560.. but the occasional lockup is not a thinkpad feature.. it is more a misbehaved application/win95 feature.. but first, test your memory, THEN change the OS.. :-) okok.. also be sure the bios is up to date and that the video driver is the most recent.. Pat Presidente wrote: > I have owned a 755CDV, a 380XD, and a 560X (not the $3:00 kind) :-) > On occasion each of these machines have frozen to a state where > - it is not suspended (pressing the FN key doesn't wake things up) > - Using the power switch will not turn it off > - Unplugging the machine and pulling the battery is the only way I can shut > it down and get things rebooted. > > This has occurred on these machines using both Windows 95 and 98. While it > isn't an everyday occurrence, it certainly is annoying when it happens. > > My question: > Has anyone experienced this problem on their ThinkPad and know a way of > getting things going without pulling the power plug and battery? Having had > this occur on three different machines I'm beginning to think it is a > Thinkpad "feature" - but have not seen any discussion of this phenomenon on > the list. > > Any thoughts here would be appreciated - apart from changing OS's. > Thanks in advance > Pat > > ========================================================================= > Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) > District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road > Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 > Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future > ========================================================================= > Well you know I could have me a million more friends > And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine > ========================================================================= -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 02:57:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25310 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07427; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07296; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07283; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:21 -0400 Received: from ms461956 (pool-209-138-38-215.irvn.grid.net [209.138.38.215]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA03837 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01be92d6$293d6a60$63268ad1@ms461956> From: "James Lai" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Battery and internal zip drive for 770? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:53:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: What is the best price for 770 battery and internal zip drive, and where? Thankyou. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 05:31:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26037 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27421; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:30:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27251; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27237; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:30:11 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id CAA17562; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37297883.5F451F91@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:31:47 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Presidente CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Locking up References: <000201be92ce$20333e20$28830cce@CRCN.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 560X hardware reset is on the bottom. You need a pen/pencil to poke the little button, which turns the machine off. The power switch then effects a cold start. Thankfully I haven't used it for 3+ months now. Benjamin Pat Presidente wrote: > > I have owned a 755CDV, a 380XD, and a 560X (not the $3:00 kind) :-) > On occasion each of these machines have frozen to a state where > - it is not suspended (pressing the FN key doesn't wake things up) > - Using the power switch will not turn it off > - Unplugging the machine and pulling the battery is the only way I can shut > it down and get things rebooted. > > This has occurred on these machines using both Windows 95 and 98. While it > isn't an everyday occurrence, it certainly is annoying when it happens. > > My question: > Has anyone experienced this problem on their ThinkPad and know a way of > getting things going without pulling the power plug and battery? Having had > this occur on three different machines I'm beginning to think it is a > Thinkpad "feature" - but have not seen any discussion of this phenomenon on > the list. > > Any thoughts here would be appreciated - apart from changing OS's. > Thanks in advance > Pat > > ========================================================================= > Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) > District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road > Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 > Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future > ========================================================================= > Well you know I could have me a million more friends > And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine > ========================================================================= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 07:33:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26695 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02531; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:30:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02319; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02300; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:30:18 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-16.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.74]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA47610 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:30:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990430073130.0089a9c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:31:30 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 Rating In-Reply-To: <000101be92cc$5b913820$6437a8c0@unil.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: It seems to boil down to form over function, as best as I can tell. The computer industry has changed so much in the last five years that price has become the single most important thing to optimize for. Such things as quality are a distinct second. Thus, a computer like a TP which doesn't live up to its counterparts in terms of speed and price is going to be seen as inferior. Sad, but true. STeve At 07:43 AM 4/30/99 +0200, epralong wrote: >Hello all, > >I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, but I am >always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer magazines that are the >rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired to Dell or HP because of it's lack of >speed due to the graphic chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main >reasons why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and the built >quality not the price. >So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? > >Sincerely, > >Etienne Pralong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 08:19:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27013 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04694; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:16:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04561; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04507; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:15:28 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-18.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.18]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05287 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990430081933.006c9168@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:19:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Thinkpad 770's (9549-1au, 14.1") $1699 *new* In-Reply-To: <372919CE.1F0256B3@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: In case anyone wanted a TP 770 model with the 14.1" TFT for a good price, pczones has brand new TP 770's (9549-1au, P233MMX, 32megs, 5.1gig, 14.1" TFT, basically IBM's top of the line this time last year) for $1699.00. I used this very machine last year, and it was very nice (Currently using a 770z from an ed). Check 'em out: http://www.zones.com/oasis/bin/catproduct.dll?product_id=87504&act_type=DSR ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 08:35:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27125 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05798; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:34:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05653; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05639; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com (208.14.17.29) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:33:52 -0400 Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E019CC531@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribing to The list. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:30:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Sorry to bother the list. An employee of ours is subscribe to this list and has left the company. I tried searching the utk.edu, but couldn't find any information on unsubscribing. Can anyone help? Thanks! Again I sorry to bother you folks! Mort Billups Email Administratro Wellspring Resources From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:08:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27399 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08068; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:07:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07937; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07913; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:07:27 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea0f.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.15]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA31819 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: Suspend & resume with 770Z Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:08:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <37291A96.66D78C48@icanect.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: To the ThinkPad list, I just seem to have nothing but problems trying to get my TP770Z to suspend and resume reliably under Win'98. I believe the problem can be narrowed down to the network PC card. I'm currently using a 3Com Megahertz 10/100 LAN CardBus card (3CXFE75BT). I also have used in the past a XIRCOM Modem + 10/100 combo card with an older 770 that I have, but I have not used this card nor installed the drivers for it in my newer 770Z. I had similar problems with the XIRCOM card in the other laptop. I remove the card prior to going into suspend, resume seems to happen correctly. If I leave the card in any number things can happen. Sometimes the laptop will not suspend at all. Sometimes the laptop will suspend only by hitting the Fn and F4 keys, but not by closing the lid. If the laptop does suspend only occasionally will it resume correctly. Other times it will try to resume but fail and go to the first screen of a reboot, but go no further. Still other times it will resume OK, but I get an error message regarding something called STIMON.EXE (or something like that). Anyone have any ideas or advice? -Bill Armstrong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:38:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27730 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10429; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10113; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10070; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA22530; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: mort_billups@wellspringres.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribing to The list. In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E019CC531@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 mort_billups@wellspringres.com wrote: > Sorry to bother the list. An employee of ours is > subscribe to this list and has left the company. I tried searching > the utk.edu, but couldn't find any information on unsubscribing. > Can anyone help? Thanks! Again I sorry to bother you folks! No bother. This question comes up frequently on this list. It's probably a good time to re-state it again. I was told that this is the information: List-Unsubscribe: Good Luck, Bruce From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:38:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27735 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10441; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:35:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10250; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10185; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:35:00 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24837; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE92EC.2BFD24A0.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "'epralong'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 600 Rating Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:31:04 -0500 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Etienne, I suggest you smile as you read the reviews, wonder at their collective judgement, and be satisfied that you own one of the finest laptop lines ever made - from one of the best laptop manufacturers. I have touched and played with laptops from virtually every major manufacturer, and when I go back to my TP 600, it's like climbing into my Miata. Slim, trim, tight, cool, powerful enough, great to look at, and it feels good in my hands. My 2c -----Original Message----- From: epralong [SMTP:Etienne.Pralong@ibcm.unil.ch] Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:43 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 600 Rating Hello all, I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, but I am always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer magazines that are the rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired to Dell or HP because of it's lack of speed due to the graphic chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main reasons why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and the built quality not the price. So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? Sincerely, Etienne Pralong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:48:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27870 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11603; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11495; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11480; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:05 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04590; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:46:11 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "epralong" , Subject: RE: ThinkPad 600 Rating Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:49:07 -0600 Message-ID: <000001be9310$37dad280$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <000101be92cc$5b913820$6437a8c0@unil.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Keep in mind a couple of things here: 1) Reviews are simply entertainment. They have to be new and different every time in order to maintain readership, advertisers, and the ability to do reviews. 2) IBM is consistent in using current-generation technology that is known and reliable instead of pushing the envelope. You may find that number 2 is not in keeping with what you want in a machine. In that case, you should look at the other offerings. For me, I have used Thinkpads since 1991 or 1992, have owned over a dozen, and swear by their performance and reliability. YMMV. ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: epralong [mailto:Etienne.Pralong@ibcm.unil.ch] >Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 11:43 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: ThinkPad 600 Rating > > >Hello all, > >I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, but I am >always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer magazines that are the >rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired to Dell or HP because of it's lack of >speed due to the graphic chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main >reasons why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and the built >quality not the price. >So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? > >Sincerely, > >Etienne Pralong > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:52:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27919 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12275; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:51:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12075; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12051; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:51:18 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04622; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:50:31 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: ThinkPad 600 Rating Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:53:28 -0600 Message-ID: <000101be9310$d3324740$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990430073130.0089a9c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] >Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 5:32 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 Rating > > >It seems to boil down to form over function, as best as I can tell. > >The computer industry has changed so much in the last five years that >price has become the single most important thing to optimize for. Such >things as quality are a distinct second. Thus, a computer like a TP >which doesn't live up to its counterparts in terms of speed and price >is going to be seen as inferior. Sad, but true. Perhaps in the press, but not in reality. IBM is still one of the most-purchased brands, especially for those who rely on their notebook computers for their livelihood. ssh From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:54:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27942 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12641; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12315; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12290; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:52:29 -0400 Received: from denver.servicemetrics.com (denver.servicemetrics.com [206.247.247.100]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04630 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:51:42 GMT Received: from ssh by denver.servicemetrics.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA28185; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:52:23 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: FS: 77x DVD drive Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:54:38 -0600 Message-ID: <000201be9310$fd2b8480$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have no idea what it's worth. It's still in the box and has never been used. The box has not been open (it still has the IBM tape sealing it). If you are interested, let me know what you think it's worth and what you'd be willing to pay. Thanks, ssh From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 09:56:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27970 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13014; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12795; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12720; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:54:33 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04655; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:53:38 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Unsubscribing to The list. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:56:35 -0600 Message-ID: <000301be9311$42821120$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <9872B1801434D21191CF006097BC884E019CC531@wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Mort, Check the header of the mailing list: List-Unsubscribe: ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: mort_billups@WellspringRes.com >[mailto:mort_billups@WellspringRes.com] >Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:31 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Unsubscribing to The list. > > >Sorry to bother the list. An employee of ours is >subscribe to this list and has left the company. I tried searching >the utk.edu, but couldn't find any information on unsubscribing. >Can anyone help? Thanks! Again I sorry to bother you folks! > >Mort Billups >Email Administratro >Wellspring Resources > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 11:54:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29405 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20825; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:51:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20595; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20575; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (169.207.3.78 -> mailgw02.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:50:55 -0400 Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com [169.207.1.114]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id KAA18420 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:50:42 -0500 Received: from Pscdavis (harconia-1-62.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.132.62]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id KAA12672 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01b501be9321$2814acc0$078bcfa9@Pscdavis> From: "Steven Davis" To: Subject: Where to buy? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:50:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BE92F7.3E860320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BE92F7.3E860320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking for a good deal on a 560 or 600. I'd appreciate any = recommendations for online stores, auctions, etc. Thanks in Advance, Steven ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BE92F7.3E860320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm looking for a good deal on a 560 = or=20 600.  I'd appreciate any recommendations for online stores, = auctions,=20 etc.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BE92F7.3E860320-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 12:11:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29610 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22337; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:08:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22136; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22121; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:08:43 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17316; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:08:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07540; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:08:33 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396SV9>; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Robert Sturrock , "'Bill Morrow'" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Care and Feeding of Nicads Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I used nicads for my amateur radio equipment for years. They work well but you do need to take care of them. I have seen a lot of discussion and auguments over nicads for years. One is about the memory effect. If you only use 30 percent of capacity of a nicad then after a while it will only give that 30 percent. There is some information from battery manufacturers that new nicads do not have this effect. The way around it is every month or so use the battery until it is zero then recharge it. I would store nicads with a full charge and make sure it is topped off before I used it. Nicads gradually loose charge over time so I would not leave the battery alone for months. Nicads have a terminal voltage at which you should stop using the battery. The battery can get damaged if you go below this point. Laptops have circuity to turn the laptop off when this point is reached. The nicad packs in the computer are made up of cells of about 1.2 volts per cell. Sometimes one of these will short and produce no voltage output. If you can open the battery case it is possible to zap the cell to recover it (you need to do this at the cell level to avoid damage to the other cells). Another problem is if you have a weak cell that is not in the same charge state as the others it is possible for reverse current to go through the cell while it is charging. Reverse current is a good way to destroy the cell. Shorting a battery is a bad idea as nicads can generate heat rather quickly and most batteries will explode with this treatment. I noticed the contacts on the 365 battery are protected but I had other laptops where they were not. Best advice is not to put the battery in with metal objects. What I try to do with my equipment is to make it a point to operate it on battery only occasionally and recharge it back up. I have two batteries for the 365ED but I do not to use them very often. I still rotate between the two every month or so to avoid neglect. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 12:27:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29854 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00788; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:26:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00593; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00573; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:26:03 -0400 Received: from kgarson.sf.viant.com (KEN2.sf.viant.com [208.223.137.43]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24277 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:26:59 -0700 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: Trackpoint IV keyboard - reviews? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Has anybody used IBM's external Trackpoint IV keyboard? I'm interested in it for my non-IBM laptop. I own a TP770ED and I love the keyboard and the Scrollpoint. For work I use a HORRIBLE Compaq Armada 6500 (rebranded from some DEC model), which has a terrible keyboard, and a hand-destroying touchpad. Has anybody used the Trackpoint keyboard? I'm wondering if it'll be as good as the TP770ED's keyboard, which 1) has a third button for scrolling, and 2) has a built-in wrist rest and logical place for its buttons, since it's part of a laptop. I can't find one anywhere to try, so I have to rely on opinions of others. I need to order this thing soon, so any quick replies would be most appreciated. Wow, does the Compaq Armada 6500 suck. Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 12:52:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00339 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02894; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:49:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02682; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02632; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:48:20 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id JAA29758; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3729DF34.8BE434FD@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:49:56 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Suspend & resume with 770Z References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have the same network card in my 560X, and for the one week I ran win98 suspend/resume seemed to work properly, if slowly. One reason suspend appears not to happen is that Windows takes its own sweet time to shut down devices, so it looks like it's crashed. I run win95 now, and suspend time takes anywhere from 5 seconds to 2 minutes. It gets really annoying sometimes because I have to wait to see whether it's crashed or going into suspend mode proper. Sometimes there's a DLL called "mssvc32" or something like that that performs "illegal operation" and gets shut down. Then nothing happens. If I try to suspend again it sometimes works. Weird. Resume is also occasionally erratic. If I close the lid while it's trying to suspend, sometimes it won't wake up, or reboots while trying to bring up the password screen. Other times the screen remains blank, and I have to close and re-open the lid before the password prompt appears. And sometimes I get the password prompt twice. Now I just wait until the suspend light comes on before closing the lid ie I suspend using the Start Menu - if I use Fn-F4 it wakes up when I close the lid (you can hear the HD spin up). Oh and it sometimes wakes up anyway even if I use the Start Menu. I think most of these problems stem from Windows (95/98) power management, not the network card - the "mssvc32" DLL obviously does something with power management. One thing I know the network card does do is slow down suspend/resume; you can see that it can take a while for the status lights on the dongle to go off and come back on during suspend/resume. All the stuff documented above is with the network card installed; I never remove it unless I go for extended trips away from campus. I've basically learnt to live with it, accepting it as another MS "undocumented feature" =( It's a real pity the Thinkpads are such fine pieces of hardware running such poor software. But installing Linux is such a pain... Benjamin William Armstrong wrote: > > To the ThinkPad list, > > I just seem to have nothing but problems trying to get my TP770Z to suspend > and resume reliably under Win'98. I believe the problem can be narrowed > down to the network PC card. I'm currently using a 3Com Megahertz 10/100 > LAN CardBus card (3CXFE75BT). I also have used in the past a XIRCOM Modem + > 10/100 combo card with an older 770 that I have, but I have not used this > card nor installed the drivers for it in my newer 770Z. I had similar > problems with the XIRCOM card in the other laptop. > > I remove the card prior to going into suspend, resume seems to happen > correctly. If I leave the card in any number things can happen. Sometimes > the laptop will not suspend at all. Sometimes the laptop will suspend only > by hitting the Fn and F4 keys, but not by closing the lid. If the laptop > does suspend only occasionally will it resume correctly. Other times it > will try to resume but fail and go to the first screen of a reboot, but go > no further. Still other times it will resume OK, but I get an error message > regarding something called STIMON.EXE (or something like that). > > Anyone have any ideas or advice? > > -Bill Armstrong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 12:58:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00416 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03949; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03727; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03695; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:41 -0400 Received: from ssh ([206.247.247.178]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05838; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:55:46 GMT From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Ken" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Trackpoint IV keyboard - reviews? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01be932a$b36fa320$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Ken, I own and have used one. They do not have three buttons (only two). However, I really like using it. It's an excellent keyboard (as are all real IBM keyboards, in my opinion), and having the trackpoint makes it real consistent with using the notebook. I confess that I'm using a Microsoft keyboard right now, but I'm not really sure why... ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken [mailto:kenzo@free-music.com] >Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 10:27 AM >To: Thinkpad list >Subject: Trackpoint IV keyboard - reviews? > > >Has anybody used IBM's external Trackpoint IV keyboard? I'm >interested in it for my non-IBM laptop. I own a TP770ED and I love >the keyboard and the Scrollpoint. For work I use a HORRIBLE Compaq >Armada 6500 (rebranded from some DEC model), which has a terrible >keyboard, and a hand-destroying touchpad. > >Has anybody used the Trackpoint keyboard? I'm wondering if it'll be >as good as the TP770ED's keyboard, which 1) has a third button for >scrolling, and 2) has a built-in wrist rest and logical place for its >buttons, since it's part of a laptop. > >I can't find one anywhere to try, so I have to rely on opinions of >others. I need to order this thing soon, so any quick replies would >be most appreciated. > >Wow, does the Compaq Armada 6500 suck. > >Ken >kenzo@free-music.com > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 13:07:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00540 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04882; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:59:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04158; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04143; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:59:13 -0400 Received: from bp ([12.77.218.15]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990430165908.GJWL17387@bp>; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3729E1CF.37CD@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:01:03 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Trackpoint IV keyboard - reviews? References: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have KPD 8923, FRU 04K0051, used on 770 series ThinkPaps. It does not have a scroll button,but the driver which comes with it does permit scrolling using contol button and something else. But then you lose the ability to use keys for such as to change what opens a file. So I deleted the driver. and scroll the old fashioned way with the extended keyboard. Now both keyboards work without changing anything.Scroll in ThinkPad key board is functional. Yes the extended keyboard is well worth the investment. If you have the dock base $199 the you do not need the Y adapter $39. If you plug into just the ThinkPad then you need the Y adapter. I got mine from PC Connection some time ago. Hope this helps. Birger Dictated using ViaVoice98 on 770 series ThinkPads with a UHF Sennheiser wireless microphone. Where the elite meet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 13:25:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00750 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06991; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:24:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06780; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06767; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:24:04 -0400 Received: from dante18.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante18.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.68]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id KAA38360 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:24:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante18.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id KAA56082 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:24:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question about TP 600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've checked the IBM web page and I think I've found the answer, but I was interested to see if anyone had any additional information. I'm contemplating selling my 560X and moving up to a TP600. I'm just not sure what model. Usually I prefer to stay a little on the downside of the curve, but the intermediate model is tempting. What do I mean? I have found the PII233 w/32Mb,3.2GB HD,13.3" TFT, 24xCD, 56K modem for ~$2500. For $3200, I found the PII300, w/ 64MB, 5.1GB HD, 13.3" TFT, 24x CD, 56K modem. Are they any differences between the two other than the obvious? They appear to be the same notebook but with a faster processor, more memory, and a bigger hard drive. Is everything else the same? If so, I think I'll consider the PII version and save myself $700. I can always use that $700 later to buy some memory and a bigger hard drive. (AFAIK, the 233 and 300 processor are not that different). Thanks, Matthew T Kokaly From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 13:40:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00971 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08304; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:35:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08120; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08105; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:35:11 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-191.usc.edu [128.125.224.191]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA06007; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990430103047.01ca09d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:34:44 -0700 To: "M. Kokaly" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Question about TP 600 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:24 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm contemplating selling my 560X and moving up to a TP600. I'm just not >sure what model. Usually I prefer to stay a little on the downside of the >curve, but the intermediate model is tempting. What do I mean? > >I have found the PII233 w/32Mb,3.2GB HD,13.3" TFT, 24xCD, 56K modem for >~$2500. > >For $3200, I found the PII300, w/ 64MB, 5.1GB HD, 13.3" TFT, 24x CD, 56K >modem. > >Are they any differences between the two other than the obvious? They >appear to be the same notebook but with a faster processor, more memory, >and a bigger hard drive. Is everything else the same? If so, I think >I'll consider the PII version and save myself $700. I can always use that >$700 later to buy some memory and a bigger hard drive. (AFAIK, the 233 >and 300 processor are not that different). I own the first machine, purchasing it for about the same level of savings back when it was a brand new model (savings over, at the time, a PII 266 model with a 4 GB HD--all else was identical). About six months later I upgraded the HD to a 6.4 GB for about $500. I have no regrets--it was a good move. For less money, delayed purchase, I got a bigger HD and have the old one as a spare that I can use in the ultraslim bay as a 2nd. Smart move, IMO, as the difference between 233 and 266 is insignificant. If you feel the same about your two models, perhaps you should do the same. However, I *think* the PII 300 machine is a 600E, which has the ability to put a 2nd battery in the ultraslim bay too. I'm not aware of any other differences other than the obvious in the specs you list. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 14:00:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01265 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10648; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:57:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10425; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.ncal.verio.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10399; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.ncal.verio.com (207.20.246.162 -> smtp2.ncal.verio.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:57:40 -0400 Received: from ncal (paix-sds-gw4-9.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.72]) by smtp2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07745 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990430105504.00a72e00@pop.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:57:26 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: 770ED processor upgrades?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I'm curious if anyone knows if my 770ED (266MHz PII) can be upgraded to the latest/greatest processor?? Does IBM do motherboard swaps/upgrades to these ThinkPads? Price? Thanks. --sandy sandy@sandy.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 14:50:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01921 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14547; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14332; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14298; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:27 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-59.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA323496; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:49:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3729FAF4.71F8424F@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED processor upgrades?? References: <4.1.19990430105504.00a72e00@pop.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There are no IBM approved cpu upgrades that i am aware of.. and IBM does not provide a cpou upgrade for the 770 series.. i understand that there MAY be one forthcoming in the future using an AMD or the like cpu... Sandy Meltzer wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm curious if anyone knows if my 770ED (266MHz PII) can be upgraded to the > latest/greatest processor?? Does IBM do motherboard swaps/upgrades to > these ThinkPads? Price? Thanks. > > --sandy > sandy@sandy.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 14:53:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01958 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14222; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:47:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14053; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14021; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:46:56 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-161.islandnet.com [139.142.112.161] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10dIJF-000WSuC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: scarter@hticn.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, scarter@hticn.com Subject: Re: TP701C -- IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:27:57 -0500 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have a 6.4 MB DADA in my 701C. Works fine. Holes are in different places compared to the old 700 MB drives, so you may want to get a new caddy, or be prepared to do some delicate drilling in the old caddy. Probably the former is the wiser decision! In article , you wrote: :Does anyone know if the IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive (part No. :03L5630) will work in a ThinkPad 701C? : :I've got a chance to mail-order one at a good price, but all the :person selling it can tell is that it's "for ThinkPads" and it's :"really small." : :-- :Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. : Nagoya, Japan : PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 15:06:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02106 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16287; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:03:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16058; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16044; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (128.9.160.161 -> boreas.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:03:04 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (weaver.isi.edu [128.9.64.205]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03958; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: swa@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <3729FE5F.8F69415A@ISI.EDU> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:02:55 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en,en-GB,it,es,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: "M. Kokaly" , TP List Subject: Re: Question about TP 600 References: <4.1.19990430103047.01ca09d0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Your decision (that the 600 PII/233 is a good value at this time) is the same that my wife, Nancy, and I made recently. I just wanted to add some data on pricing. We just got our PII/233, same config. you mentioned (Model 2645-41U) >from a little-known source, new for $1995: Ex/Portable, Kirkland, Washington, (425) 889-2100, kim@exportable.com. I also had good luck searching for a used one at an even better price, unfortunately that deal didn't come through until Kim had already shipped her order. (There's actually a longer story here, having to do with my being outbid on EBAY, then the high bidder retracting the bid just before the auction closing, and my not realizing that I might still "win" the auction even after having been outbid!) The fellow with a used one for sale same configuration) was: Curtis Cates, ccates@lexmark.com. He seems honest and straightforward enough. Hope I'm not being too blatantly commercial here. I have no financial or personal interest in either of the sources I mentioned above, other than that I feel badly about the auction mixup with Curtis and would like to see him able to sell his computer. Just wanted to share the results of my search. --Steve Augart Randal Whittle wrote: > > At 10:24 AM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm contemplating selling my 560X and moving up to a TP600. I'm just not > >sure what model. Usually I prefer to stay a little on the downside of the > >curve, but the intermediate model is tempting. What do I mean? > > > >I have found the PII233 w/32Mb,3.2GB HD,13.3" TFT, 24xCD, 56K modem for > >~$2500. > > > >For $3200, I found the PII300, w/ 64MB, 5.1GB HD, 13.3" TFT, 24x CD, 56K > >modem. > > > >Are they any differences between the two other than the obvious? They > >appear to be the same notebook but with a faster processor, more memory, > >and a bigger hard drive. Is everything else the same? If so, I think > >I'll consider the PII version and save myself $700. I can always use that > >$700 later to buy some memory and a bigger hard drive. (AFAIK, the 233 > >and 300 processor are not that different). > > I own the first machine, purchasing it for about the same level of savings > back when it was a brand new model (savings over, at the time, a PII 266 > model with a 4 GB HD--all else was identical). About six months later I > upgraded the HD to a 6.4 GB for about $500. I have no regrets--it was a > good move. For less money, delayed purchase, I got a bigger HD and have > the old one as a spare that I can use in the ultraslim bay as a 2nd. Smart > move, IMO, as the difference between 233 and 266 is insignificant. > > If you feel the same about your two models, perhaps you should do the > same. However, I *think* the PII 300 machine is a 600E, which has the > ability to put a 2nd battery in the ultraslim bay too. I'm not aware of > any other differences other than the obvious in the specs you list. > > - Randy Whittle -- Steven Augart Member of the Research Staff, Information Sciences Institute University of Southern California 4676 Admiralty Wy, Ste. 1001; Marina del Rey, California 90292; U.S.A +1 (310) 822-1511 x 749 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 15:09:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02128 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16961; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16292; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16251; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.area54.net (205.177.191.50 -> mercury.area54.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by mercury.area54.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA30342 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Sender: michael@mercury.area54.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 parts Where is the online listings?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I remember a number of months ago there was a url posted that had the parts catalogs for pads. I thought I had saved it but now can't find it): I need a battery retaining slide (the small slide/lock on the bottom) of my 701 and would like to look up and order the part from IBM. Does anyone know where this listing livs?? Thanks.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 15:50:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02642 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19856; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:47:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19657; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19643; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (206.40.133.20 -> baker.cnw.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:47:12 -0400 Received: from TEST (dyn-128-196.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.196]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19613; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199904301946.MAA19613@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:40:39 -0700 To: Michael , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: 701 parts Where is the online listings?? X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Try: http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=604&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US I was just there looking for the standby battery. I'll have to phone them as every time I tried to order Netscape crashed. On 04/30/99 Michael said: >I remember a number of months ago there was a url posted that had the >parts catalogs for pads. I thought I had saved it but now can't find it): > I need a battery retaining slide (the small slide/lock on the bottom) of >my 701 and would like to look up and order the part from IBM. Does anyone >know where this listing livs?? >Thanks.. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA Anacortes, Washington, USA stables@cnw.com ___________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 20:24:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05034 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01948; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01784; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01757; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:37 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-56.gate.net [199.227.131.119]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA148176; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <372A4945.5D1AD7DA@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: scarter@hticn.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701C -- IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: just leave the drive loose in the old caddy.. the new ones are about $75 and not required.. thats the advice of a guy who sells the caddys and drives and has about 6 701C's.. :-) its what i tell my customers but many want the new caddy so they can still use the old HDD.. Jonathan Berry wrote: > I have a 6.4 MB DADA in my 701C. Works fine. > Holes are in different places compared to the old 700 MB > drives, so you may want to get a new caddy, or be prepared to > do some delicate drilling in the old caddy. Probably the > former is the wiser decision! > > In article , you wrote: > :Does anyone know if the IBM DADA25400 5.4GB hard drive (part No. > :03L5630) will work in a ThinkPad 701C? > : > :I've got a chance to mail-order one at a good price, but all the > :person selling it can tell is that it's "for ThinkPads" and it's > :"really small." > : > :-- > :Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. > : Nagoya, Japan > : PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD > : > : > > -- > cheers > Jonathan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 20:29:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05078 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02451; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:28:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02298; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02277; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:28:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-56.gate.net [199.227.131.119]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA242590; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <372A4A87.CE9C6CF8@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:27:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald_Mak@ibm.net CC: Sandy Meltzer , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED processor upgrades?? References: <4.1.19990430105504.00a72e00@pop.ncal.verio.com> <3729FAF4.71F8424F@icanect.net> <002a01be934b$aad0e640$596848a6@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it was hoped (and mentioned) when the 770-1AU came out that there would be an upgrade path sine these machines used the mobil module.. it has not happened and i would not mess with my warranty by trying to upgrade the cpu.. easier to buy a newer model than the former.. the only machine i support a cpu upgrade on is the 701C which does benefit from this procedure.. :-) the old 755 cpu upgrade was about $1k originally, then came down.. anyone want one..?? i have one..!! :-) the 701 cpu upgrade goes for about $250 to $300.. Donald, Mak@ibm.net wrote: > I beleive that upgrading the processor would be simple but if you buy it > from IBM it would be rather expensive. > Looking at the various 770X and Z series they all use different system > boards and processors but the size of each is the same. They need to be as > IBM interchanges the parts and they need to line up for the various ports as > the case design has remained the same throughout. > > One thing to keep in mind is that the 770ED or most 770x series have a > pll-ic chipset that supports only a 66mhz bus. I think that the newer PII > processors need a faster bus. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) > Even if it does not and you can go to let's say 366Mhz you probably won't > see much improvement. > What I wouldn't mind doing is swapping out the video card for the newer > Trident cards with 8 megs video as the newer Cyber Trident DVD chips have > better 3-D support. > > Wonder what the price on that would be???? > > Don > > > There are no IBM approved cpu upgrades that i am aware of.. > > and IBM does not provide a cpou upgrade for the 770 series.. > > > > i understand that there MAY be one forthcoming in the future using an AMD > or > > the like cpu... > > > > Sandy Meltzer wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows if my 770ED (266MHz PII) can be upgraded to > the > > > latest/greatest processor?? Does IBM do motherboard swaps/upgrades to > > > these ThinkPads? Price? Thanks. > > > > > > --sandy > > > sandy@sandy.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by > IBM > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 20:33:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05109 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02975; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:32:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02862; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02848; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:32:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-56.gate.net [199.227.131.119]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA346066; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <372A4B78.C575789D@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:31:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 parts Where is the online listings?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its on the IBM site.. follow the links to the hardware manuals.. i have it on another machine if you can't find it.. its quite unlikely that you can buy just that part, or any part for a 701 >from IBM these days.. let us all know if you succeed.. the boulder parts tel # is 800-388-7080 they also have an online link someplace.. Michael wrote: > I remember a number of months ago there was a url posted that had the > parts catalogs for pads. I thought I had saved it but now can't find it): > I need a battery retaining slide (the small slide/lock on the bottom) of > my 701 and would like to look up and order the part from IBM. > Does anyone know where this listing livs?? > > Thanks.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com <-- this domain name is soon to be stolen by IBM Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Apr 30 20:50:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05270 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03938; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03837; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03824; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:49:29 -0400 Received: from kgarson.sf.viant.com (KEN2.sf.viant.com [208.223.137.43]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08237 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990430174518.009acb70@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:50:21 -0700 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: Trackpoint IV keyboard - Suggestions where to try one? In-Reply-To: <3729E1CF.37CD@worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thanks so far to those who have given me feedback on the Trackpoint IV external keyboard. I'm disappointed to hear that although scrolling is available, it has to be by holding a key like "Ctrl", which then interferes with Ctrl-clicking, which is a terrible thing. I still want to know how the keyboard ultimately behaves, and if maybe there's another, less important, key that can be used for scrolling. If not, I might have to scrap the idea and get a (shudder) Microsoft scrolling mouse. (I've heard mixed things about the Trackpoint (or is it Scrollpoint?) external mouse - anyone have comments on this?) Reminder: I'm NOT going to hook this up to a Thinkpad. It's for a crappy Compaq laptop. Can anyone suggest a way to physically try this keyboard? Or does one have to order and pray? Thanks, Ken kenzo@free-music.com