From cph Wed Sep 1 00:57:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29111 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:57:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03387; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:56:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03269; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03256; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (24.2.10.66 -> ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:56:04 -0400 Received: from motive ([24.113.83.69]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990901045603.BMWI28249.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@motive> for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:56:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Macht Subject: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Jeff Macht Message-ID: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Severed: The spiral of hope, and the noose of the rope, and the draw of the blade X-Mailer: Eloquent[2.02]; Eloquent is a Trademark of Take 3 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar would be cool. Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color (R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right respective single pixels are black. Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, Jeff. -- Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. From cph Wed Sep 1 01:11:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29173 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:11:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04150; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:10:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04052; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04033; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:10:33 -0400 Received: from andres (pm529-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.186]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA59786 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:10:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990901011041.00aa7580@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:10:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? In-Reply-To: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thats really interesting. I don't have a 600, but a 1451 i; I tried your test and I don't get that. Not knowig the differences in the 600's TFT display, I will ventrure to say that you have a hardware problem, where the column addressing logic has a problem, for extreme edge conditions. Wether this is common to all displays I can't say, but I'll bet not. I think you have what would be condidered a slight defect. Only, if it isn't addressing some pixels right, thats a different situation from single bad pixels, so perhaps they'll change it out (and threaten to charge you $1000). If you make the entire screen white, what do those pixels look like? Can you describle again where they are? Using compass notation (N, E, W S) might make it easier for dimwits like me to understand. ;-) STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:56 PM 8/31/1999 -0700, Jeff Macht wrote: >Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar >would be cool. > >Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color >(R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right >edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) >blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? > >If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right >respective single pixels are black. > >Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I >just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. > >Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, > >Jeff. > >-- > Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire > http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", > NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. > > From cph Wed Sep 1 01:49:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29288 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:49:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05846; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05727; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zu.ac.ae (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05700; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zu.ac.ae (195.229.145.70 -> mail_dxb.zu.ac.ae) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:48:24 -0400 Received: from dxbs7008 ([10.10.1.46]) by mail.zu.ac.ae; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:46:58 +0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990901094541.00aaa1d0@mail.zu.ac.ae> X-Sender: s7008@mail.zu.ac.ae X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:46:53 +0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Evan Touchett Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? In-Reply-To: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Same thing on a Thinkpad 600 with Windows NT 4.0. Cool. A bit too small for me to notice without someone telling me. -evan At 09:56 PM 8/31/99 -0700, Jeff Macht wrote: >Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar >would be cool. > >Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color >(R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right >edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) >blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? > >If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right >respective single pixels are black. > >Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I >just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. > >Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, > >Jeff. > >-- > Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire > http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", > NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. From cph Wed Sep 1 02:17:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29333 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:17:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07084; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06956; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06940; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:15:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 27648 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1999 06:15:00 -0000 Received: from pppa42-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.101) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 06:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: <37CCC514.B298E919@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:17:56 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Macht , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? References: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Doesn't it mean that the TP makes magenta by alternating adjacent red and blue pixels, while it makes red or blue with "pure" red or blue pixels? You should see similar effects with yellow (red + green) and most other colors. Jeff Macht wrote: > > Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar > would be cool. > > Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color > (R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right > edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) > blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? > > If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right > respective single pixels are black. > > Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I > just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. > > Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, > > Jeff. > > -- > Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire > http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", > NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 1 03:37:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29538 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:37:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16835; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:34:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16249; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16167; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (24.2.10.66 -> ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:34:37 -0400 Received: from motive ([24.113.83.69]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990901073434.CDTS28249.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@motive> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:34:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Macht Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Jeff Macht Message-ID: <990901003434.4160AAD5G.jamacht@motive> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990901094541.00aaa1d0@mail.zu.ac.ae> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Severed: The spiral of hope, and the noose of the rope, and the draw of the blade X-Mailer: Eloquent[2.02]; Eloquent is a Trademark of Take 3 List-Unsubscribe: From: Evan Touchett > Same thing on a Thinkpad 600 with Windows NT 4.0. > > Cool. A bit too small for me to notice without someone telling me. I hope it doesn't bug you continuously like it does me. I apologize for possibly upsetting your contented state of bliss. :) I hid the problem temporarily by using a background image (AH-64 Apache flying down a river valley, mostly green and some blue), but I really enjoy the colour purple. Jeff. -- Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. From cph Wed Sep 1 03:44:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29566 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:44:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19803; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:43:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19603; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12913; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (24.2.10.66 -> ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:21:24 -0400 Received: from motive ([24.113.83.69]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990901072041.CCYE28249.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@motive> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:20:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Macht Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Jeff Macht Message-ID: <990901002041.4160AAD5F.jamacht@motive> In-Reply-To: <37CCC514.B298E919@netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Severed: The spiral of hope, and the noose of the rope, and the draw of the blade X-Mailer: Eloquent[2.02]; Eloquent is a Trademark of Take 3 List-Unsubscribe: From: Juan-Carlos Lerman > Doesn't it mean that the TP makes magenta by alternating adjacent > red and blue pixels, while it makes red or blue with "pure" red > or blue pixels? > > You should see similar effects with yellow (red + green) and most > other colors. I don't thing so. Anything involving a significant amount of green seems to be fine. And it doesn't happen on an edge in the center of the screen like you would expect if this were the case. The last pixel isn't even drawn (or is black) if the color is pure red. But yellow (red + green) shows up as pure yellow. I'm going to get some DOS program that shows test patterns (and pure colours and such), and try that. It may be a hardware issue, since Evan's having the same thing happen, even on a difference operating system. But then again, the drivers are made by the same people. Jeff. -- Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. From cph Wed Sep 1 03:46:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29570 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:46:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20123; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:44:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10311; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09397; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:07:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (kahuna.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11139 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:07:45 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000401bef448$b452cae0$0f02000a@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: More cheap stuff spotted Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:23:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: (I'll stop these annoying posts soon,but as I mentioned in another post I'm hunting up some desktop gear and keep running across what look to me like good TP deals.) (1) a TP560E at www.pickadw.com for $999 w/CDrom and extended warrantee (they also have a bunch at the necx outlet store for about the same price, but apparently without warrantee) (2) TP365 port replicator for $39 and 50W Power brick (model 66G3541, I think this is for the 750/760) for $19 at www.consumerdepot.com (3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet shop) - David From cph Wed Sep 1 03:48:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29589 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:48:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20567; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20385; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20236; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.251.61 -> f175.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:46:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 44473 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1999 07:46:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990901074602.44472.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.66.50.248 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 00:46:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [171.66.50.248] From: "Benjamin Koh" To: jamacht@pobox.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -- What's up? Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 00:46:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, I think the reason stems from the way LCD screens are constructed differently from CRT monitors. Read on, and it should be clear that there's nothing you can do about this. Unlike in conventional CRT monitors where 3 dots of red, green and blue converge to form white, in a LCD screen the white comes from the human eye averaging three distinct subpixels of red, green and blue that are placed very close together. The subpixels that make up each pixel all go red/green/blue. Each subpixel is a third the height of a normal pixel so when stacked vertically they form a "normal" pixel. To avoid the eye perceiving the nice horizontal lines that this would generate, each subsequent column is shifted by one pixel, so the second column goes blue/green/red and the third goes green/red/blue. This is reading the subpixels from top to bottom. Look at the "sets" I've drawn below. It may make it clearer. rgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbr } one gbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrg } row of brgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgbrgb } pixels | V (One pixel) When you set the colour to magenta, you turn on all the red and blue subpixels but not the green ones. The top left subpixel is red but it's separated from the blue subpixel by the green subpixel which is off. Thus there is a black subpixel between the red and blue. The pixel next to it starts green/blue/red, so the blended magenta color is also separated from the top left subpixel by a green subpixel that is off. Result: the red subpixel appears as an individual pixel. The other red/blue subpixel sets do not suffer this because all of the other red subpixels have 2 or more blue subpixels in the vicinity. Only the very first red subpixel is surrounded by only 1 blue subpixel in its lower right edge, so it appears less blue than the others. Thus it appears red. The TP 600 screen resolution is 1024x768. 1024 when divided by 3 leaves a remainder of 1 so the last pixel in row 768 is also the same as the first: red/green/blue. For the same reasons I have outlined earlier, it appears blue and not red/blue (magenta). I hope this clears up your queries. You can also turn the screen green (0, 255, 0) and take a magnifying glass to the corners. The top left and bottom right corners should show a small indentation, like a square cut out of them. This will be true of all color LCDs. The artifacts may vary in the corners they're located in if the first pixel is green/blue/red for example. If it was green/blue/red then a yellow screen would give a green artifact in the top left corner. Obviously this will not work on CRT monitors since there are no real pixels - just fuzzy bits of light blended together. I have a feeling I may have overdone the explanation :-) Cheers Benjamin >From: Jeff Macht >Reply-To: Jeff Macht >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:56:03 -0700 (PDT) > >Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar >would be cool. > >Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color >(R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right >edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) >blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? > >If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right >respective single pixels are black. > >Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I >just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. > >Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, > >Jeff. > >-- > Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire > http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", > NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Sep 1 05:57:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA29836 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00955; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00880; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00834; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:55:28 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-148.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.148]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA23401 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990901055739.01105a9c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 05:57:39 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted In-Reply-To: <000401bef448$b452cae0$0f02000a@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet shop) Direct link: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 1 08:15:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30339 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:15:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05705; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:13:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05554; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05541; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:13:31 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p06.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.21]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA09594; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011211.FAA09594@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "No-Particular Name" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 99 05:11:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: shell for TP 760CD Hard Drive List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:50:17 AZST, No-Particular Name wrote: >Hi all, this is chickendude again. I have a wee request. > >you know on the inside of your thinkpad resides a hard drive - which is IBM >proprietary and costs MORE than the stinkin thing cost to get a new one. > Actually, you are correct, it is in fact an IBM Travelstar, however, it is a standard EIDE drive, not proprietary. I have been able to use several different drives with my 760ED (all IBM, but different sizes, both different heights, 9.5,12.5,17mm, and from 340MB to 3.2GB) >Here's the rub - Can any old buff like me use the following: >a) a second hdd adapter kit >b) A normal laptop IDE hard drive >c) a shell for the IBM hard drive (kind of a clamshell with proprietary >connectors for IBM to talk to normal Hard drive) > >to give myself a bigger or second hard drive? > >ie - can I put a normal laptop hard drive in one of those ibm hard drive >cases? > Yup. Shouldn't be a problem... I've been doing those upgrades for all my 'Pads. In fact, I even have a 3.2GB drive in my TP750 (and it makes a great application/mp3 server). Just make sure you jumper the drive correctly so it's the master drive. Also, a recomendation - I noticed when I was using the newer 9.5mm drives in my 760, I had to upgrade the BIOS. Prior to doing so, when trying to hibernate to the ultrathin drive in OS/2, Windows 98, etc., the machine would totally lockup. So you might also consider a BIOS upgrade. If you/anyone has any other questions about upgrading the HD's in ANY ThinkPads (up to the 760), feel free to send me an on or off-list email. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com > >Cheers - >chickendude. > >Thanks also everone for the help with the external floppy connector. I >swapped a guy at work for my internal. > >bye > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From cph Wed Sep 1 08:31:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30364 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:31:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06656; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06534; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06516; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:25 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p06.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.21]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA13713; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011228.FAA13713@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Carlos de la Puente" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "penzance@icanect.net" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 99 05:28:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:21 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >>Bill Morrow >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >>e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> >>Wrote: >> >>I think carlos has a good command of english.. >>i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he >became >>rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser.. > > >I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it >that I decided to give you another opportunity. > >I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to >several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am >getting tired of being insulted. > >Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of >mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you, >however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business. > >Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make >good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am >concerned this discussion is finished. > I couldn't help but add my two cents - I don't think it's fair that you are knocking both David and Bill, and you should be ashamed for the wasted bandwidth on this list just for your ranting about reasonable comments about online auctions. I agree with David about online auctions having the risk of possibly (but not nessecarily) being fradulent, but I don't think you should be such a twit and yell at the rest of us for our thoughts. From cph Wed Sep 1 08:34:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30373 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:34:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07166; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07058; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07045; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:19 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p06.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.21]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA13785; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011231.FAA13785@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "STeve Andre'" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 99 05:31:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:07 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Thank you David for the address. Such a simple thing, really. And would >have gone past me. I will write them. > >As for the disks, nope, they were two seperate model runs completely, and we >blew out a Micropolis 2G in this manner, as well. The purpose of this disk >was being the home directory for about 10,000 accounts, with 24/7 activity, >always. Each of the three disks ran flawlessly right up until about the last >30 hours of life, when they started emmiting a piteous squealing sound. After >the first death, we've become adept at recognizing the Sound of Emminent Death >and do emergency backups and change disks. > If there's any sound I hate with computers, it's the sound of the bearings on a hard drive going out. I was lucky to make backups of 2 years (about 10K messages) of this list before my Seagate SCSI drive went out. I have noticed before that IBM doesn't put MTBF values on their website; has this changed recently? Most of my equipment (especially my SPARC) I keep running 24/7, sometimes on for weeks without shutting down (and this includes ThinkPads with new drives). From cph Wed Sep 1 08:51:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30424 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:51:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08092; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07974; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07961; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.8 -> imo18.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:50:08 -0400 Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id vMXYa02415 (4200); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16a3a294.24fe7adb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:49:31 EDT Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) To: pkhoury@loop.com, delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: penzance@icanect.net, ross@math.hawaii.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 List-Unsubscribe: if this damn bickering can't stop, i don't want to be included in the list. we are adults, so we should start acting as such. if anyone here has a gripe, direct it to the person you are addressing DIRECTLY and NOT to the entire damn group. most of us are not involved and do NOT care. i read the insult and an idiot could see it was an insult intended to hurt. DAAAAA! so group up, take responsibility for our actions, and let's PLEEEEEASE move on kids. Alan From cph Wed Sep 1 09:12:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30483 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:12:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10408; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10275; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10254; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26362; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37CD2504.20058662@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:07:16 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Macht CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? References: <990901002041.4160AAD5F.jamacht@motive> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I believe that the colors are arranged RGB vertically. Thus, red and blue are farthest apart horizontally, so this separation is most noticeable. If I look very closely on my 600, red and green show separation too, but it is much less noticeable. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 1 09:16:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30509 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:16:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10987; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:15:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10852; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10821; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:14:54 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26388; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37CD2666.A9542160@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:13:10 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: jamacht@pobox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -- What's up? References: <19990901074602.44472.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Huh? On a 1280x1024 LCD screen, I'm pretty sure the horizontal resolution is 1280x3 subpixels, and the vertical resolution is 1024. You really have 1280x1024 real pixels (i.e., none of this silly remainder 1 stuff). I have seen anti-aliasing font technology that takes advantage of this "increased" horizontal resolution by taking advantage of the subpixels by drawing non-white on the edges. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 1 10:57:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31109 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:57:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18803; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18654; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18611; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:55:40 -0400 Received: from client-117-220.bellatlantic.net (client-117-220.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.220]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22067 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: mdash@plexsys.com (Michael D. Scheer) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:55:37 GMT Organization: Plexus Systems Inc. Reply-To: mdash@plexsys.com Message-ID: <37ce3dc6.79679372@smtpout.bellatlantic.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA31110 I'm running SP3 with no problems, but need to upgrade to SP4 or 5 for Y2K issues. Any experience/caveats to share? The IBM support party line seems to be ambivalent. TIA. --Mike Scheer From cph Wed Sep 1 11:38:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31369 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:38:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22140; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:37:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22023; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21967; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26797; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <035201bef48f$a1272370$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Paul Khoury" , Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:35:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >I couldn't help but add my two cents - I don't think it's fair that >you are knocking both David and Bill, and you should be >ashamed for the wasted bandwidth on this list just for your ranting >about reasonable comments about online auctions. > >I agree with David about online auctions having >the risk of possibly (but not nessecarily) being fradulent, >but I don't think you should be such a twit and yell >at the rest of us for our thoughts. > I am trying to let this die down, but you had to add your worthless two-cents without shame for "wasting bandwidth". I wonder who the twit is. From cph Wed Sep 1 11:48:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31468 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:48:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23124; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22945; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22904; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.250.37 -> f26.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:47:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 25537 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1999 15:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990901154700.25536.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.66.50.246 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:46:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [171.66.50.246] From: "Benjamin Koh" To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, koh_benjamin@hotmail.com Cc: jamacht@pobox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -- What's up? Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:46:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The 600E has a 1024x768 screen. But yes, you are correct. I made a mistake. The subpixels are arranged horizontally not vertically, giving: rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb -> one row of pixels rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb rgb --- one pixel I deeply apologize for the confusion. It arose because I thought the problem was a solitary pixel in the top left and bottom right corners. Apparently it's the entire column, which therefore requires the situation above. With the green subpixels turned off, the first column is pure red and the last column is pure blue. It no longer matters what the resolution is since every pixel is red/green/blue. >From: I Lee Hetherington >To: Benjamin Koh >CC: jamacht@pobox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -- What's up? >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:13:10 -0400 > >Huh? On a 1280x1024 LCD screen, I'm pretty sure the horizontal >resolution is 1280x3 subpixels, and the vertical resolution is 1024. >You really have 1280x1024 real pixels (i.e., none of this silly >remainder 1 stuff). > >I have seen anti-aliasing font technology that takes advantage of this >"increased" horizontal resolution by taking advantage of the subpixels >by drawing non-white on the edges. > >--Lee Hetherington > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Sep 1 12:17:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31649 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:17:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25190; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25052; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24981; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:15:58 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA20533 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990901091138.00c37b50@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:14:52 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600 In-Reply-To: <37ce3dc6.79679372@smtpout.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:55 AM 9/1/99 , you wrote: >I'm running SP3 with no problems, but need to upgrade to SP4 or 5 for >Y2K issues. Any experience/caveats to share? The IBM support party >line seems to be ambivalent. TIA. Nothing to report that is TP specific, but in general, beware of SP5. When it was originally released, the 128 bit version of SP5 had problems that would mess up RAS when trying to talk to another 128 bit SP5 NT system. (Everything would work fine when talking to /being talked to by a 95/98/non-128-bit NT system). There may be hot fixes out to correct the above problems. Again, they ONLY affected 128-bit SP5 at the time I ran into them. From cph Wed Sep 1 13:00:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31899 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:00:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28282; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:58:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28070; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28047; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:58:04 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28865 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:58:42 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909011658.LAA28865@europa.veggie.com> Subject: posting DEALS (and cdrom) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, I think it's great people post deals they find .. I'm a grad student on a very limited budget and I for one have benefited from this. Most recently with the deal batteries for my TP560x. So, please keep going with this. I have been thinking about getting a CD ROM for my 560x .. that portable CD from computergeeks mentioned on the list should work fine with this right? (I am running Win95 and Linux). Any problems I should expect with Linux and this drive? By the way, I did buy something from computergeeks before (via some auction place - onsale?). In any case, the product worked as advertized, though their S&H has hefty. I guess they have to make money somehow. Thanks a bunch. Esmail PS: Please also mail me directly .. I get this in digest format and I'd like to go ahead and order the CD drive if it looks good. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Wed Sep 1 13:07:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31970 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29118; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:06:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29024; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29006; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:06:06 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg134-142.ricochet.net [204.179.134.142]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19253; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:05:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:05:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37ce3dc6.79679372@smtpout.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm running SP3 with no problems, but need to upgrade to SP4 or 5 for > Y2K issues. Any experience/caveats to share? The IBM support party > line seems to be ambivalent. TIA. I had no problems at all with SP5 on my TP600. Running Windows 2000 RC1 now, which is even better, but SP5 was fine. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Wed Sep 1 13:10:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31982 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:10:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29563; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:08:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29300; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29274; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:08:19 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28956 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:08:58 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> Subject: need TP (?) recommendation To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:08:58 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hi The office/lab I work for is looking for a laptop that can run NT. Problem is that we only have about $2000 to spend. I naturally thought, hey, cool, we'll get a ThinkPad. I looked in the PC Connection catalog and had a long'ish conversation with them. They say the cheapest TP capable to run NT is about $2800 (the TP 390 line). Can anyone confirm this? I think the NT requirement is firm. If IBM is not an option, can anyone recommend another brand? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Wed Sep 1 13:25:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32050 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:25:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01053; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:22:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00786; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00763; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:21:59 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.95]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990901172157.VPEM24199@770>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:21:57 +0000 Message-ID: <37CD6006.7D0F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:19:02 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Carlos de la Puente , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) References: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <37CC4996.47790006@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Strangely enough, this URL no longer exists on ebay Guess someone over there decided to do their job for a change! Bill Morrow wrote: > > Carlos... > Thank you for this one last word.. > you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious > exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts.. > > in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this > particular item: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 > which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns... > > i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the > ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, > about e-bay... > > it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers > using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those > who are not honest... > > "methinks thou dost protesteth too much" > > Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > >Bill Morrow > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >Wrote: > > > >I think carlos has a good command of english.. > >i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped > him when he > became > >rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more > looser.. > > I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such > poor use of it > that I decided to give you another opportunity. > > I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to > reply to > several other posts in order to let this whole thing die > down, but I am > getting tired of being insulted. > > Most people may think you are a charitable person that > donates advice out of > mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that > category, you, > however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to > do business. > > Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via > discussion forums or > through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you > become a wanna-be > "know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested > interest in every > piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some > people may > assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly. > > Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways > people away from > online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you > instead to purchase > what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to > challenge your > statements. I certainly made my point regarding your > hypocritical comments > by providing proof that your assertions were not supported > by your > experiences at eBay. > > I do have a "good command of the English language". I > suggest you look the > word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would > behoove you to > use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will > refrain from > pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get > on with my > point. > > I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real > Bill." I think it is > in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any > discussion. > > Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last > word. Try to make > good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. > As far as I am > concerned this discussion is finished. > > If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making > comments about my > mother; I would really appreciate that. > > Carlos > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph Wed Sep 1 13:27:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32080 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:27:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01410; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01100; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01079; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:48 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.95]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990901172445.VQHE24199@770> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:24:45 +0000 Message-ID: <37CD60AC.6D7B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:21:53 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 & 760 floppy drives References: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <37CC4996.47790006@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 770 and 760/755/750 floppy drives are exactly the same drive inside the caddy, in case anyone wanted to know. I took the drive from inside a 770 case and installed it into a 750 caddy, to replace a dead drive. So don't throw away those dead drives - the caddys can be re-used if you find a bare drive on the loose. From cph Wed Sep 1 13:41:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32206 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:41:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02540; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02399; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02386; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (194.158.96.53 -> front3.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:39:58 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-114-130.velizy.club-internet.fr [194.158.114.130]) by front3.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id TAA29677 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:39:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004401bef4a1$00bc3940$82729ec2@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: ThP 240 echange experiance wanted Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:39:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BEF4B1.C290A280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BEF4B1.C290A280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just bought a new ThinkPad 240. Will be glad to exchange = experience with other users. Chri07@club-internet.fr Christophe ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BEF4B1.C290A280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have just bought a new ThinkPad 240. Will be glad = to=20 exchange experience with other users.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BEF4B1.C290A280-- From cph Wed Sep 1 13:58:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32380 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:58:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04203; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04023; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04000; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:56:56 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg134-142.ricochet.net [204.179.134.142]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26372; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:51:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jeff Macht" , Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600E LCD color (and subpixel rendering) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: This sure generated a lot of discussion! One amusing thing: Once you know how an LCD panel is made, with repeated columns of red, green, and blue, your original question actually has a visual illustration of the phenomenon right in the question itself... > Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar > would be cool. > > Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color > (R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right > edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) > blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? Since it happens that the subpixels in an LCD screen are arranged in RGB order, look at that (R,G,B)=(256,0,256). This gives you a column of red, a column of black, and a column of blue, repeated across the screen. So the leftmost subpixel column is red, followed by a column of black. Then you have adjacent blue and red columns, which blend visually into magenta as you expect. The pattern repeats across the screen, ending with a column of black and a column of blue. Because the leftmost red column and the rightmost blue column each have a black column next to them, your eye picks them out as separate colors. You can see a related effect on many Web pages, at least in Internet Explorer. With a typical link color of blue and a "hover" link color of red, when you roll the mouse over a link, you not only see the color change to red, but you can see the text shift to the left a tiny amount. Roll the mouse back and forth over the link and you'll see the text shift left and right. This happens for the same reason: When the link is blue, the rightmost subpixel of each triplet is on. When it changes to red, the *leftmost* subpixel is on instead. So the entire text shifts to the left by two subpixels, or 2/3 of a pixel--enough to notice fairly easily. Microsoft's ClearType technology (also discovered independently by other people) takes advantage of this by using "subpixel rendering"--using the knowledge of the R,G,B column arrangement to position text more precisely in the horizontal direction. Steve Gibson has a very interesting description of this and a demo program at: http://www.grc.com/freeandclear.htm -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Wed Sep 1 14:13:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA32528 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05327; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:09:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05145; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05127; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:09:49 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-19.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.173]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA65966 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:09:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990901140954.00a75040@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:09:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: need TP (?) recommendation In-Reply-To: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think it boils down to how slowly you can accept it running, NT. For about $2,550, you could get a TP I series 1472, which has a 366MHz PII and 64M ram with a 6.4G disk. Add another 64M ram for about another $80, and you'd have something which should make for a fair NT system. Having ordered/used both the i Series 1451/1452/1472 and 390's, I'm not sure that the 390 is any better a deal. Yes, IBM says the i Series is a "home / home-office" machine, but I think that is largely a matter of marketing. The i series are well built machines. I keep running into little things on other machines that make me glad I got this TP 1451. My only regret was that the 1472 came out 6 months later. ;-) At 12:08 PM 9/1/1999 -0500, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >Hi > >The office/lab I work for is looking for a laptop that can run NT. >Problem is that we only have about $2000 to spend. I naturally >thought, hey, cool, we'll get a ThinkPad. > >I looked in the PC Connection catalog and had a long'ish conversation >with them. They say the cheapest TP capable to run NT is about $2800 >(the TP 390 line). > >Can anyone confirm this? I think the NT requirement is firm. If IBM is >not an option, can anyone recommend another brand? > >Esmail >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Wed Sep 1 15:29:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00665 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:29:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12207; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:27:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12052; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12031; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:27:49 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA12342 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990901122204.00c50da0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:26:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: need TP (?) recommendation In-Reply-To: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:08 AM 9/1/99 , you wrote: >Hi > >The office/lab I work for is looking for a laptop that can run NT. >Problem is that we only have about $2000 to spend. I naturally >thought, hey, cool, we'll get a ThinkPad. > >I looked in the PC Connection catalog and had a long'ish conversation >with them. They say the cheapest TP capable to run NT is about $2800 >(the TP 390 line). > >Can anyone confirm this? I think the NT requirement is firm. If IBM is >not an option, can anyone recommend another brand? IBM sells the 2635-JBU (380z - PII @ 300MHz, 32MB, 4.3GB, CD, 13.3) specifically configured with NT. According to www.shopper.com, it is now available for about $2300. I've added an additional 64MB and am thrilled with performance. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Sep 1 16:57:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01303 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19184; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:56:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18998; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18957; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:55:59 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA17424 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:55:27 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7663.990901@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 & 760 floppy drives In-reply-To: <37CD60AC.6D7B@worldnet.att.net> References: <37CD60AC.6D7B@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, September 01, 1999, 12:21:53 PM, Bruce wrote: BM> The 770 and 760/755/750 floppy drives are exactly the same drive I've got a 2.88Meg floppy in my 755CE. Does anyone know whether this drive will work properly if I stick it into a 770 enclosure and try to use it with my 770ED? You see, I've got this big pile of 2.88Meg floppies... Thanks! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN82Su28pw+2/9pUJEQIQjwCg9so8AU6AxiHjVpiiY415AmLcizQAn3AN ce7uzjWzPGyudkUlpYSWAMQq =5piL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Sep 1 17:21:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01542 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:21:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22078; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:18:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21794; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21780; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:18:10 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.104]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990901211807.ZPCE24199@770>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:18:07 +0000 Message-ID: <37CD9762.39B5@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:15:14 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 & 760 floppy drives References: <37CD60AC.6D7B@worldnet.att.net> <7663.990901@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I replaced a 2.88 in the 750 drive enclosure with a 770 drive, so probably. Only thing is, the 2.88 drive is obviously different (mine was made by ALPS), and the 770 BIOS may not support it, but W95 probably does. Give it a try, it is easy to do. Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wednesday, September 01, 1999, 12:21:53 PM, Bruce wrote: > BM> The 770 and 760/755/750 floppy drives are exactly the same drive > > I've got a 2.88Meg floppy in my 755CE. Does anyone know whether this > drive will work properly if I stick it into a 770 enclosure and try to > use it with my 770ED? You see, I've got this big pile of 2.88Meg > floppies... > > Thanks! > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN82Su28pw+2/9pUJEQIQjwCg9so8AU6AxiHjVpiiY415AmLcizQAn3AN > ce7uzjWzPGyudkUlpYSWAMQq > =5piL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Sep 1 19:16:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA02288 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28056; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:13:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27936; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27907; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:13:38 -0400 Received: from 102.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.155.102]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990901231334.BRKB11568@102.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:13:34 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: need TP (?) recommendation Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:13:24 GMT Message-ID: <37cfb2a8.950528@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> In-Reply-To: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:08:58 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >I looked in the PC Connection catalog and had a long'ish conversation >with them. They say the cheapest TP capable to run NT is about $2800 >(the TP 390 line). Actually, the cheapest is the IBM 240; $1999 and driver support for NT is on IBM's web site. Or look for a deal on an older IBM 600... epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Wed Sep 1 22:05:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03035 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05583; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:03:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05420; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05405; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (205.246.19.13 -> buffnet4.buffnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:02:59 -0400 Received: from buffnet9.buffnet.net (buffnet9.buffnet.net [205.246.19.19]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA18623 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:02:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rick@buffnet.net) Received: from acppp6.buffnet.net(208.28.189.58) by buffnet9.buffnet.net via smap (V2.0) id xma001198; Wed, 1 Sep 99 22:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bef4e7$37381e80$3abd1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> From: Richard Benstock To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at buffnet9.buffnet.net Subject: introducing self Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:02:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hi I just joined the list. I have a Thinkpad 600 with 96MB of memory type 2645-41U running windows 98. I sent it back once for the peeling palmrest thing and now it is peeling again. I'm just going to let it go this time but I wonder if other manufacturers do this part better. I thought it was the acidity in my skin and started to blame myself until I saw someone else mention it. Otherwise, fine machine for me. Rick Benstock ICQ 3371317 RickB on CU Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories ... ---Steven Wright From cph Thu Sep 2 00:02:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03495 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:02:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11003; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:00:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10874; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10860; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:00:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA386252; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37CDF652.3C1E9247@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:00:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay References: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EF5A8DCF5FEAE8DDA2C82FA9" List-Unsubscribe: --------------EF5A8DCF5FEAE8DDA2C82FA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy... either way, its the dark side of the coin.. saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad thing is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > > > > For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is > > something to ponder.. > > > > > > > > http://c > > gi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 > > I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" feedback rating and a > note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 > (perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause and > wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. > > Other than your suspicion though, how can you say this is > necessarily an > example of "fraud" on eBay? > > If these things really aren't legit, I would be more inclined to > suggest > that the items might be stolen. Which would be theft, not fraud. ;-) > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------EF5A8DCF5FEAE8DDA2C82FA9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy...
either way, its the dark side of the coin..
saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up..

the sad thing is that there are people who fall for that stuff..

Randal Whittle wrote:

At 05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>
> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is
> something to ponder..
>
>
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232>http://c
> gi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232

        I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" feedback rating and a
note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600
(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause and
wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200.

        Other than your suspicion though, how can you say this is
necessarily an
example of "fraud" on eBay?

        If these things really aren't legit, I would be more inclined to
suggest
that the items might be stolen.  Which would be theft, not fraud.  ;-)

- Randy Whittle

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------EF5A8DCF5FEAE8DDA2C82FA9-- From cph Thu Sep 2 00:32:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03601 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:32:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12634; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:30:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12536; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12523; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:30:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA82978; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:30:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37CDFD41.FF50F14A@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:29:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Macht CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E LCD color -> What's up? References: <990831215603.4160AAD5E.jamacht@motive> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff... i have noticed something similar on my 770Z, only its a whiite pixel in the upper left corner... can't check right now, i'm setting up a cell modem Jeff Macht wrote: > Can anyone with a 600E try this out? I have a 2645-5AU so anything similar > would be cool. > > Change the background colour in Windows 98 to the color > (R,G,B)=(256,0,256), which is magenta. Now look at the left and right > edges of the screen. Is the last pixel (on the left) red or (on the right) > blue? That's what I get. If so, what is the reason for this? > > If you set the background to pure red or blue, the left or right > respective single pixels are black. > > Is this a software (driver) or hardware issue that i'm having? Or should I > just ignore it? It's hard to ignore once you see it. > > Thanks in advance for anyone noting the same problem, > > Jeff. > > -- > Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire > http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", > NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 00:37:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03620 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:37:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13131; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:36:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13009; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12995; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:36:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA329390; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:35:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37CDFE67.666513DC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:34:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted References: <3.0.1.32.19990901055739.01105a9c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: be sure it is the correct model for your particular 770 Mark Bell wrote: > At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: > > >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet > shop) > > Direct link: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 00:46:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03628 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:46:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13914; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:45:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13807; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13737; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:44:18 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-31.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.31]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04038 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990902004618.0199bb28@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:46:18 -0700 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay In-Reply-To: <37CDF652.3C1E9247@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and you will see. At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > Randy... >either way, its the dark side of the coin.. >saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad thing >is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: At >05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: >> >> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is >> something to ponder.. >> >> >> ><&item=150978232>http://c >&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" >feedback rating and a >note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 >(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause and >wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than >your suspicion though, how can you say this is >necessarily an >example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I >would be more inclined to >suggest ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 2 00:48:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03636 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:48:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14316; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14090; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13784; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:45:27 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-31.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.31]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA04540; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990902004727.0199bb28@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:47:27 -0700 To: Bill Morrow From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted Cc: ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <37CDFE67.666513DC@icanect.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990901055739.01105a9c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: It is the newest revision (05kxxxxx) that replaced the older DVD drive that originally sold as an option and was integrated into early EDs. It will work with all 770's. Mark At 12:34 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >be sure it is the correct model for your particular 770 > >Mark Bell wrote: > >> At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> >> >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet >> shop) >> >> Direct link: >> >> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> Network and System consultation and installation >> -------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, >Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 2 01:27:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03957 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:27:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15997; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:25:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15888; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15874; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:25:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA97524; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:26:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE0A3F.B9DDD361@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:25:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Benstock CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: introducing self References: <003f01bef4e7$37381e80$3abd1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard... you might keep track of the warranty date, so before you are out of warranty, you can get it replaced.. the peeling paint is WELL KNOWN and will diminish the resale value of your thinkpad.. if you have acid sweatty palms, then the paint had better be up to it, IMO.. thats the function of paint.. :-) Richard Benstock wrote: > Hi I just joined the list. I have a Thinkpad 600 with 96MB of memory type > 2645-41U running windows 98. I sent it back once for the peeling palmrest > thing and now it is peeling again. I'm just going to let it go this time but > I wonder if other manufacturers do this part better. I thought it was the > acidity in my skin and started to blame myself until I saw someone else > mention it. Otherwise, fine machine for me. > > Rick Benstock > ICQ 3371317 > RickB on CU > > Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many > memories ... > ---Steven Wright -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 03:42:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04208 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:42:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29613; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:38:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28705; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28600; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:38:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA374162; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE296B.CB155E8B@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:38:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 & 760 floppy drives References: <37CD60AC.6D7B@worldnet.att.net> <7663.990901@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I tried the same thing using the external floppy case (as supplied with the TP-701, 365, 560 et al) and it did NOT work.. gave up the exxperiment as not worth more effort.. IMO it might be a bios thing, but i'm not at all sure.. intrestingly enough, whille the 701 et al external floppy has worked with every thinkpad thatg will accept an external floppy, the 770 floppy does not seem to want to work with a 701.. have not tried it with the 560 or others.. "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wednesday, September 01, 1999, 12:21:53 PM, Bruce wrote: > BM> The 770 and 760/755/750 floppy drives are exactly the same drive > > I've got a 2.88Meg floppy in my 755CE. Does anyone know whether this > drive will work properly if I stick it into a 770 enclosure and try to > use it with my 770ED? You see, I've got this big pile of 2.88Meg > floppies... > > Thanks! > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN82Su28pw+2/9pUJEQIQjwCg9so8AU6AxiHjVpiiY415AmLcizQAn3AN > ce7uzjWzPGyudkUlpYSWAMQq > =5piL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 03:44:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04216 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:44:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00110; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29288; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29180; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:40:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA197972; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE29C2.A29BF9DC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:39:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christophe Majewski CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThP 240 echange experiance wanted References: <004401bef4a1$00bc3940$82729ec2@chri07> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E54CC2421CA7604AEE0C13BC" List-Unsubscribe: --------------E54CC2421CA7604AEE0C13BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please tell us all how you like it.. :-) Christophe Majewski wrote: > I have just bought a new ThinkPad 240. Will be glad to exchange > experience with other users. Chri07@club-internet.fr Christophe -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------E54CC2421CA7604AEE0C13BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please tell us all how you like it..  :-)

Christophe Majewski wrote:

I have just bought a new ThinkPad 240. Will be glad to exchange experience with other users. Chri07@club-internet.fr  Christophe

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------E54CC2421CA7604AEE0C13BC-- From cph Thu Sep 2 03:45:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04223 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:45:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00396; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:41:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29592; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24514; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:24:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA241018; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE25D8.1B1666A1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:23:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: need TP (?) recommendation References: <199909011708.MAA28956@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you can easily find a TP600, maybe even an early "E" version for about $2k.. maybe a bit more.. AND, i think i may have a copy of the NT preload for that machine.. Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hi > > The office/lab I work for is looking for a laptop that can run NT. > Problem is that we only have about $2000 to spend. I naturally > thought, hey, cool, we'll get a ThinkPad. > > I looked in the PC Connection catalog and had a long'ish conversation > with them. They say the cheapest TP capable to run NT is about $2800 > (the TP 390 line). > > Can anyone confirm this? I think the NT requirement is firm. If IBM is > not an option, can anyone recommend another brand? > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 03:46:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04227 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00904; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29725; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23720; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:22:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA240968; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:20:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE2514.729FBB42@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:19:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted References: <3.0.1.32.19990901055739.01105a9c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <3.0.1.32.19990902004727.0199bb28@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: thats a deal forr all the guys who want soft DVD.. it should run without the enhanced video adapter.. Mark Bell wrote: > It is the newest revision (05kxxxxx) that replaced > the older DVD drive that originally sold as an option > and was integrated into early EDs. It will work with all 770's. > > Mark > > At 12:34 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >be sure it is the correct model for your particular 770 > > > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > >> At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: > >> > >> >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet > >> shop) > >> > >> Direct link: > >> > >> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------- > >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >> ------------------------------------------------- > >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >> Network and System consultation and installation > >> -------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > >Done on a > >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 03:48:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04239 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:48:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01130; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:44:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00488; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00315; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:43:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA240930; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE2A95.B9690D89@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:43:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rous56@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CSE parts References: <1248ca0a.24fdb3c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i hate to say it, but you would do better to replace the entire machine.. problem is, those cables are a wear item, and bound to fail, eventually.. if you get a used one, then you are buying exactly what you are replacing.. that having been said, i have a 755CE that works, more or less, that i might part with for a reasonable offer.. same machine, better display.. :-) Rous56@aol.com wrote: > I am in desperate need of a new ribbon cable that goes from the main board to > the screen. I cannot find a source for the ribbon without the screen. Does > anyone have a 755cse that can be parted out? Thanks for all replies. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 03:49:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04243 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:49:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01271; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00997; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00965; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-379.gate.net [199.227.173.125]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA343128 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:46:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37CE2B44.A44D11C2@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:46:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CSE parts References: <3.0.6.32.19990831192941.00a8d900@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM won't sell those type of parts.. my guess is the logistics would be frightening.. :-) my advice is upgrade the whole machine.. the 755CSE is old, and any used replacement poart would be just as old, but if a new part could be found, then that is the better option.. STeve Andre' wrote: > You'll need to know the original part number, but take a look at > http://bluestarusa.com -- they may well have what you want. > > Have you tried IBM, as well? I have no idea what their stocking policies > are for older equipment. Lastly, I'd ask about this part in comp.sys.laptops > (I think thats the right group). > > STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 06:40 PM 8/31/1999 EDT, Rous56@aol.com wrote: > >I am in desperate need of a new ribbon cable that goes from the main board > to > >the screen. I cannot find a source for the ribbon without the screen. Does > >anyone have a 755cse that can be parted out? Thanks for all replies. > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 14:15:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07376 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12907; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12628; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12590; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:12:34 -0400 Received: from ibm ([12.79.18.73]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990902181229.SLUD11568@ibm> for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:12:29 +0000 Message-ID: <37CEBDB7.7A67@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:11:03 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay References: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> <37CDF652.3C1E9247@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just for fun, I emailed this guy that I wanted to buy one of those 600's This is the response I got so far: please send 2 money orders each for $315 to: jose vizcarrondo 651 soundview ave. bronx,new york 10473 I have now inquired why he wants two MO's instead of one- I'll post that when I get it. Also, I will then propose to come over and pick up one of those, since I a, local to the Bronx. I'll post that as well! From cph Thu Sep 2 14:49:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07583 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16375; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16186; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16161; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:12 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28036 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0cac01bef573$4b310320$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:45:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is nothing but a fool. The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a scam, you can't fault eBay for this. So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these buyers are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and a lot of land in Florida I could sell to them. C. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell To: TP List Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay >Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. >Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and >you will see. > >At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> Randy... >>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. >>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad thing >>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: At >>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is >>> something to ponder.. >>> >>> >>> >><&item=150978232>http://c >>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" >>feedback rating and a >>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 >>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause >and >>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than >>your suspicion though, how can you say this is >>necessarily an >>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I >>would be more inclined to >>suggest > > ------------------------------------------------ >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------ >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation > ------------------------------------------------- > From cph Thu Sep 2 14:50:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07591 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:50:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16492; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16274; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16229; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:47:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-87.gate.net [199.227.20.150]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA202954; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37CEC635.36C75E05@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:47:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay References: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> <37CDF652.3C1E9247@icanect.net> <37CEBDB7.7A67@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. you will most likely get: a. no response, b. "OH, i sold them all, already" c. Machines that dropped off the back of a truck d. a really sweet deal.. if its close, i would just drive over and knock on his door.. BTW: I sent him an e-mail saying i would buy them all, and to call me or send his tel# and the best time to call, and, of course, got no real reply.. Bruce Markowtz wrote: > Just for fun, I emailed this guy that I wanted to buy one of those > 600's > This is the response I got so far: > > please send 2 money orders each for $315 to: > jose vizcarrondo > 651 soundview ave. > bronx,new york 10473 > > I have now inquired why he wants two MO's instead of one- > I'll post that when I get it. > Also, I will then propose to come over and pick up one of those, > since I a, local to the Bronx. I'll post that as well! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Sep 2 14:55:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07616 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:54:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17211; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:53:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17102; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17054; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:53:06 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00188 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0cb701bef574$1c948720$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Oh, how cute.... you know very well I have a stock of the DVD Enhanced Video Adapters. Could it be? nah... I am just imagining things. But of course you don't need the Enhanced Video Adapter to play DVD movies in the 770. Perhaps you want to impress us with your knowledge on the matter and explain what the Enhanced Video Adapter offers. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Mark Bell Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:19 AM Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted >thats a deal forr all the guys who want soft DVD.. >it should run without the enhanced video adapter.. > >Mark Bell wrote: > >> It is the newest revision (05kxxxxx) that replaced >> the older DVD drive that originally sold as an option >> and was integrated into early EDs. It will work with all 770's. >> >> Mark >> >> At 12:34 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >be sure it is the correct model for your particular 770 >> > >> >Mark Bell wrote: >> > >> >> At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> >> >> >> >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for outlet >> >> shop) >> >> >> >> Direct link: >> >> >> >> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >> >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> >> Network and System consultation and installation >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> >-- >> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> > >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >> >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... >> > >> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, >> >Done on a >> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> Network and System consultation and installation >> -------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done >on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph Thu Sep 2 15:22:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07875 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:22:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19603; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:19:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19288; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19273; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:19:36 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.120]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990902191933.NAQP6819@770>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:19:33 +0000 Message-ID: <37CECD17.2CC0@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:16:39 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay References: <0cac01bef573$4b310320$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I agree Ebay is a great place to do business, but you gotta do your homework. It is not really a place for the faint hearted! .Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. > > Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and > who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is > nothing but a fool. > > The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's > feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up > their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an > ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a scam, > you can't fault eBay for this. > > So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these buyers > are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and a lot > of land in Florida I could sell to them. > > C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell > To: TP List > Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM > Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay > > >Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. > >Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and > >you will see. > > > >At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >> Randy... > >>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. > >>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad > thing > >>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At > >>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >>> > >>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here > is > >>> something to ponder.. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >><&item=150978232>http://c > >>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" > >>feedback rating and a > >>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 > >>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause > >and > >>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than > >>your suspicion though, how can you say this is > >>necessarily an > >>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I > >>would be more inclined to > >>suggest > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------ > >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >Network and System consultation and installation > > ------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Thu Sep 2 17:35:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08940 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:35:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28185; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:33:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27984; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27905; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:32:16 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-28.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.28]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA19384 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990902173412.01d5d5a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:34:12 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay In-Reply-To: <0cac01bef573$4b310320$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. > >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is >nothing but a fool. As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless, you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!! >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a scam, >you can't fault eBay for this. Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive. But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy medium for buying/selling. By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not. >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these buyers >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and a lot >of land in Florida I could sell to them. Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last statement is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive. BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your shoulder. :) Mark > >C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Bell >To: TP List >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay > > >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and >>you will see. >> >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >>> Randy... >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad >thing >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: >At >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: >>>> >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here >is >>>> something to ponder.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>><&item=150978232>http://c >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" >>>feedback rating and a >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause >>and >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is >>>necessarily an >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I >>>would be more inclined to >>>suggest >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> ------------------------------------------------ >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>Network and System consultation and installation >> ------------------------------------------------- >> > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 2 17:52:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09107 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29307; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:50:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29215; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29116; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:48:39 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-28.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.28]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA11911 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990902175028.01d62604@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:50:28 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted In-Reply-To: <0cb701bef574$1c948720$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:51 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >Oh, how cute.... you know very well I have a stock of the DVD Enhanced Video >Adapters. Could it be? nah... I am just imagining things. Wow.... that is paranoia.... :) It is true SoftDVD will allow you to play DVDs without an Enhanced Video card, but.... > >But of course you don't need the Enhanced Video Adapter to play DVD movies >in the 770. Perhaps you want to impress us with your knowledge on the matter >and explain what the Enhanced Video Adapter offers. Decompresses DVD MPEG video on the fly and offers additional auxilary ports (Video out, etc...). The 770ED is a case example of why users should use the TP770 EVA. Even on my X and Z's here, the SoftDVD doesn't cut the mustard and you do drop frames and suffer from other quirky things. Next to a lesser powered ED, it whomped our Xs and Zs.... The adapter makes play back silky smooth with no anomalies. If you have a 770/E get one. I thought that was a terrible move on IBMs part to not include them for later models. They are worth the price and Carlos's prices always come out much less than new units. You need a seperate unit for playback in the 770X. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow >To: Mark Bell >Cc: ThinkPad List >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:19 AM >Subject: Re: More cheap stuff spotted > > >>thats a deal forr all the guys who want soft DVD.. >>it should run without the enhanced video adapter.. >> >>Mark Bell wrote: >> >>> It is the newest revision (05kxxxxx) that replaced >>> the older DVD drive that originally sold as an option >>> and was integrated into early EDs. It will work with all 770's. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> At 12:34 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >>> >be sure it is the correct model for your particular 770 >>> > >>> >Mark Bell wrote: >>> > >>> >> At 08:23 PM 08/31/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >(3) 'B-stock' dvd drive for IBM 770, $148 at www.cdw.com (look for >outlet >>> >> shop) >>> >> >>> >> Direct link: >>> >> >>> >> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=179169 >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------- >>> >> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>> >> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>> >> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >>> >> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >>> >> ------------------------------------------------- >>> >> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>> >> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>> >> Network and System consultation and installation >>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> >-- >>> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >>> > >>> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >>> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >>> >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >>> >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >>> >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... >>> > >>> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, >>> >Done on a >>> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>> 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>> Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >>> Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>> RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>> Network and System consultation and installation >>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >>-- >>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> >>** Bill Morrow ** :-) >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >>e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >>770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... >> >>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done >>on a >>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 2 17:56:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09143 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:56:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29826; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:55:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29699; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29682; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:54:55 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili078.lava.net[207.26.193.173]) (6288 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:54:51 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37CEF1AB.9055A1AD@lava.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:52:43 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay References: <3.0.1.32.19990902173412.01d5d5a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the best for corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of those $25 copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or even posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same domain name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've always been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software, but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong. --keith Wong Mark Bell wrote: > At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: > >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. > > > >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and > >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is > >nothing but a fool. > > As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But > everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless, > you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much > security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future > sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what > they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the > responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall > on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should > know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!! > > >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's > >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up > >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an > >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a scam, > >you can't fault eBay for this. > > Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions > like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect > its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive. > But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do > is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy > medium for buying/selling. > > By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting > fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they > were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and > enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not. > > >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these buyers > >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and a lot > >of land in Florida I could sell to them. > > Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to > shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more > than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it > ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last statement > is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive. > > BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your > shoulder. :) > > Mark > > > > >C. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Bell > >To: TP List > >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM > >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay > > > > > >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. > >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and > >>you will see. > >> > >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>> Randy... > >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. > >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad > >thing > >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: > >At > >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here > >is > >>>> something to ponder.. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>><&item=150978232>http://c > >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" > >>>feedback rating and a > >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 > >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause > >>and > >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than > >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is > >>>necessarily an > >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I > >>>would be more inclined to > >>>suggest > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------ > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >> ------------------------------------------------ > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >>Network and System consultation and installation > >> ------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 2 18:20:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09393 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:20:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01665; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:18:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01575; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01559; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:18:51 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-140.usc.edu [128.125.223.140]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA20980; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990902145838.00c929d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:13:04 -0700 To: Mark Bell , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: DVD Question: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990902175028.01d62604@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <0cb701bef574$1c948720$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:50 PM 09/02/1999 -0700, you wrote: >the TP770 EVA. Even on my X and Z's here, the SoftDVD doesn't cut the >mustard and you do drop frames and suffer from other quirky things. Next I'm just curious, since I do some video editing on the computer but have not ever had a DVD player/disc in my machine (or on my TV)... Can anyone tell me what the frame resolution is on a standard DVD? I presume it various depending on whether you're using letterbox mode, but let's say in "standard TV" mode. And I presume the frame rate is NTSC standard at 30 frames per second? (technically 29.97 fps). Any info would be nice to know. :-) - Randy From cph Thu Sep 2 18:37:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09517 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02687; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:36:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02601; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02588; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:36:12 -0400 Received: from 220.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.156.220]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990902223609.XUES21390@220.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:36:09 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Question: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:36:01 GMT Message-ID: <37cefb7e.880444@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <0cb701bef574$1c948720$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <4.1.19990902145838.00c929d0@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990902145838.00c929d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:13:04 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the frame resolution is on a standard DVD? I >presume it various depending on whether you're using letterbox mode, but >let's say in "standard TV" mode. IIRC, the "native resolution" of DVD is 720 x 480 lines, regardless of the aspect ratio. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Thu Sep 2 20:00:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10007 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:00:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06166; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:57:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06013; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05998; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.35 -> mail1.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:56:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 23451 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 1999 23:56:53 -0000 Received: from pppa10-resaletucson2-3r1047.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.94.117) by mail1.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 23:56:53 -0000 Message-ID: <37CF0F2B.B4C3DC3B@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:58:35 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Question: References: <0cb701bef574$1c948720$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <4.1.19990902145838.00c929d0@rcf.usc.edu> <37cefb7e.880444@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There is a web page with links that claim to explain everything related to DVDs and DVD players. I haven't read it yet so I can't endorse it or not, yet. It is at: http://windoms.sitek.net/~dvdsoft/dvdsoft.html Emanuel Brown wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:13:04 -0700, Randal Whittle > wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the frame resolution is on a standard DVD? I > >presume it various depending on whether you're using letterbox mode, but > >let's say in "standard TV" mode. > > IIRC, the "native resolution" of DVD is 720 x 480 lines, regardless of > the aspect ratio. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 2 20:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10074 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:08:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06928; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:04:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06682; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06666; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:04:18 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16989 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0e7601bef59f$97c15e70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Harrassment Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:02:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I have received a few e-mails from members of this discussion group. These e-mails were addressed to me exclusively and not posted in this forum. Several of these e-mails have been abusive, insulting, and some even threatening. All of these coming from individuals unknown to me prior to joining this discussion group and were related to my previous postings in here. I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. From cph Thu Sep 2 23:03:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10887 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14338; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:01:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14130; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14117; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (209.126.33.211) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:01:22 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02314 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:08 -0500 From: Pooh Message-Id: <199909030252.VAA02314@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Subject: dead 560E (sorta).... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok....it figures, the 1 yr warranty is up on my 560E (40U) and it decides to become unusable. Basically, from what I can tell, the connector for the DC card on the mainboard is either loose or something is shorting. This poor thing has been bent, beat, carried, and everything else under the sun.....it started with the battery not being so tight in its slot anymore....and then, depending on how the thinkpad was sitting, it thought it was charging when there was really no A/C....now, after having taken it apart twice to try to reseat the DC card, it's just pretty much dead. I've been looking on IBM's website, and I'm sure this is a faq, but.... where the HECK do I send this thing to be repaired? help! -Jeff -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." Programmer/Analyst | -Prince City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: email: | | Sacred Soul Records | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- http://bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph Thu Sep 2 23:54:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11046 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16119; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16043; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16029; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:52:31 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-058.usc.edu [128.125.223.58]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA11411 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990902184036.00c96cf0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:42:36 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Harrassment In-Reply-To: <0e7601bef59f$97c15e70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Y'know, I hate to see members of this list engaging in such behavior toward Carlos or anyone else. Its just childish. And I dislike just as much the childish way this is handled. You know Carlos, instead of taking your marbles and running home, you could just ignore and delete the offending B.S. that ended up in your mailbox. At 08:02 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, you wrote: >I have received a few e-mails from members of this discussion group. These >e-mails were addressed to me exclusively and not posted in this forum. >Several of these e-mails have been abusive, insulting, and some even >threatening. All of these coming from individuals unknown to me prior to >joining this discussion group and were related to my previous postings in >here. > >I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving >notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this >discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- >will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures >available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. > > From cph Fri Sep 3 01:00:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11226 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:00:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19463; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19351; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19338; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:18 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA24000 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:58:12 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001601bef5c8$f1a5ecc0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <0e7601bef59f$97c15e70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Subject: Re: Harrassment Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:58:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Sentences one through three are deplorable if true. The phrase "seek retribution" in the last sentence is an interesting one, and seems somehow dissonant with both parts of the complainant's posting domain. Now, let's please all get back to talking Thinkpads. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos de la Puente To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:02 PM Subject: Harrassment > I have received a few e-mails from members of this discussion group. These > e-mails were addressed to me exclusively and not posted in this forum. > Several of these e-mails have been abusive, insulting, and some even > threatening. All of these coming from individuals unknown to me prior to > joining this discussion group and were related to my previous postings in > here. > > I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving > notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this > discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- > will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures > available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. > > > From cph Fri Sep 3 01:01:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11233 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:01:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19763; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:59:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19604; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19504; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:59:24 -0400 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:6262 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512739-18219>; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:22 -0400 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:1453 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324675-28357>; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:55 -0400 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: ACT Productions Inc., 199-K1S 2P3, Ottawa To: "STeve Andre'" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:58:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [LAB] (Fwd) Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply Reply-to: tom@act.ca CC: obc@cycling.org, power-assist@cyclery.com, chainguard@cyclery.com, labmembers@cycling.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Touring Digest Priority: urgent In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19990830184627.00a79070@pilot.msu.edu> References: <199908302229.SAA15663@head-cfa.harvard.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <19990903045900Z324675-28357+51@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> List-Unsubscribe: Glad to oblige, Tom --- Original Message --- Date sent: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:27 -0400 To: Douglas Kline , tom@act.ca From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [LAB] (Fwd) Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply Copies to: obc@cycling.org, power-assist@cyclery.com, chainguard@cyclery.com, labmembers@cycling.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Touring Digest > Thanks for asking--I forgot to catch the url for this, and I'm very glad > you posted this. > > I must say, after reading this for 15 minutes, this has got to be the single > most intelligent discussion on NiCd batteries I have ever seen. Wow. > > So I think the poster meant "good intelligent technical discussion". Believe > me, I've endured lots of the bad kind over the years. This is most refreshing > to see. > > If you are the type who likes to read about technical things, this document is > really excellent. I need to pass this out in ham-radio circles. > > --STeve Andre' (WB8WSF) > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 06:29 PM 8/30/99 -0400, Douglas Kline wrote: > ... > >> > >> Anyone looking for a good non-single word technical discussion of the > relativ > >e > >> merits of rechargables might try: > >> > >> http://www.antonbauer.com/tech/handbook.html > > > >What exactly is "a good non-single word technical discussion" or, for that > >matter, "a bad non-single word technical discussion"? > > > >Douglas > ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, ACT Productions Inc. __o tom@act.ca http://www.act.ca _ \< +1 613 594-4829 fax +1 613 594-8944 (*)/'(*) 199 Holmwood Ave, Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1S 2P3 "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein From cph Fri Sep 3 01:11:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11269 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:11:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20348; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20268; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20253; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:09:19 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA28223 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004201bef5ca$320e7600$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Fw: Harrassment Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:07:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I have decided to forward the unsolicited e-mails I receive to the discussion group. Perhaps if I expose these assholes, they'll decide to stop. Excuse my French, but this is becoming a bit old. -----Original Message----- From: John Higgins To: delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:04 AM Subject: Re: Harrassment >Consider this unsolicited e-mail and take whatever measures you want. Who >are you anyway??? > > >> >> I have received a few e-mails from members of this discussion group. These >> e-mails were addressed to me exclusively and not posted in this forum. >> Several of these e-mails have been abusive, insulting, and some even >> threatening. All of these coming from individuals unknown to me prior to >> joining this discussion group and were related to my previous postings in >> here. >> >> I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving >> notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this >> discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- >> will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures >> available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. >> >> > > From cph Fri Sep 3 03:42:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA11598 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:42:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04332; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:40:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04198; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27887; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:21:48 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg136-213.ricochet.net [204.179.136.213]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA06681 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:20:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:20:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37CC4907.CF9324A5@icanect.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: My PCMCIA CD-ROM drive arrived today from CompGeeks, with UPS ground taking two days just as promised. It came in a factory-sealed IBM box, with this IBM label: 1969-RR1 Refurb PCMCIA CDROM Equivalent to M/T 1969-010 Sold "As-Is" No Warranty Used and Tested So apparently the 90 day warranty is from CompGeeks themselves. In any case, the drive looks new and works perfectly. It's a bit loud in the high speed mode, but the speed button quiets it way down (and slows it down ) if that's a problem. There is apparently a stereo model of this drive with extra connectors; this isn't that one. The NiCD battery pack came fully charged. The AC adapter came with a funny little 6" power cord on the AC side. But any standard AC cord fits it. Seems like an honest deal and a good bargain. For anyone who missed the original message, the drives are listed at: http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Fri Sep 3 08:26:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA12257 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:26:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20285; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:24:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20119; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20088; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:24:16 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28534; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:23:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0124.uhc.com [168.183.199.88]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28525; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:23:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990903082238.00e4f320@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:22:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Fw: Harrassment Cc: judi@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <004201bef5ca$320e7600$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:07 AM 9/3/99 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >I have decided to forward the unsolicited e-mails I receive to the >discussion group. Perhaps if I expose these assholes, they'll decide to >stop. Excuse my French, but this is becoming a bit old. > Carlos, David, Bill and whoever else has been involved in this - take this all to e-mail, and leave it there. This is a ThinkPad list; not a venue to see whose testosterone level is higher. Carlos, if you're not happy with the TP list, either unsubscribe, learn to use your delete key or complain to Judi. If other list members are harrassing you via e-mail, do the same with the addition of complaining to their ISP. But I, for one, think this thread has gone far enough already. Jane From cph Fri Sep 3 09:45:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA12639 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:45:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26267; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26147; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26130; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:12 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id JAA03543 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: bbender@compuserve.com Received: from brianb-tp (isdn242.vocollect.com [209.166.154.242]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id JAA03512 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Bender" To: "'Thinkpads list'" Subject: NT5 in production NT4 network? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bef612$36d75b00$a2051fac@brianb-tp.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: OK, so I've heard of a few people using NT5 RC1 and liking it, but are any of you using it in an existing NT4 network? I know it _wants_ to use all the ActiveDirectory stuff, but *can* it participate in an NT4 domain, and without DDNS? Thanks, - Brian Bender TP600, NT4SP5 / Slackware 4.0 Linux From cph Fri Sep 3 11:26:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13449 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:26:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04496; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04300; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04272; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:30 -0400 Received: from 770z (user-37ka3mh.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.14.209]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00925; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990902211619.009685e0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:17:01 -0400 To: Keith Wong From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37CEF1AB.9055A1AD@lava.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990902173412.01d5d5a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: so it's OK to steal software, but not money. Interesting point of view... Richard At 11:52 AM 9/2/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: >--I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the >best for >corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of >those $25 >copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or >even >posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same >domain >name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about >it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer >people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've >always >been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software, >but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong. > > --keith Wong > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. > > > > > >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and > > >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is > > >nothing but a fool. > > > > As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But > > everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless, > > you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much > > security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future > > sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what > > they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the > > responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall > > on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should > > know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!! > > > > >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's > > >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up > > >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an > > >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a > scam, > > >you can't fault eBay for this. > > > > Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions > > like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect > > its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive. > > But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do > > is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy > > medium for buying/selling. > > > > By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting > > fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they > > were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and > > enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not. > > > > >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these > buyers > > >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and > a lot > > >of land in Florida I could sell to them. > > > > Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to > > shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more > > than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it > > ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last > statement > > is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive. > > > > BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your > > shoulder. :) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > >C. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark Bell > > >To: TP List > > >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM > > >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay > > > > > > > > >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. > > >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and > > >>you will see. > > >> > > >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >>> Randy... > > >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. > > >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad > > >thing > > >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: > > >At > > >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here > > >is > > >>>> something to ponder.. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>><&item=150978232>http://c > > >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" > > >>>feedback rating and a > > >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 > > >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to > pause > > >>and > > >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other > than > > >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is > > >>>necessarily an > > >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't > legit, I > > >>>would be more inclined to > > >>>suggest > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------ > > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > >> ------------------------------------------------ > > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > >>Network and System consultation and installation > > >> ------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 3 11:41:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13565 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:41:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05689; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05327; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05240; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:32:58 -0400 Received: from 121.phoenix-03-04rs.az.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.33.121]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990903153249.EKXG6819@121.phoenix-03-04rs.az.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:32:49 +0000 From: tdwis@ibm.net (Ted Wiseman) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Harrassment Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:32:45 GMT Message-ID: <37d3e81c.64465774@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <0e7601bef59f$97c15e70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <0e7601bef59f$97c15e70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA13566 "Carlos de la Puente" delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca wrote: >I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving >notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this >discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- >will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures >available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. Any and all, or in other words "none". Too bad he's not around anymore to tell us just what those measures are. If I could find an foolproof way to avoid the harassment of receiving each day all the unsolicited spam e-mails from individuals with whom I have had no business dealing in the past, I'd package it and sell it on EBay. Sympatico? From cph Fri Sep 3 11:42:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13579 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:42:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05870; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05502; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05424; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:44 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfiat.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.201.93]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30653 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990903112942.00a2bd50@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:29:42 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: dead 560E (sorta).... In-Reply-To: <199909030252.VAA02314@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:52 PM 9/2/99 -0500, Pooh wrote: >where the HECK do I send this thing to be repaired? > 800.772.2227 From cph Fri Sep 3 11:46:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13609 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:46:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06646; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06494; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06470; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:43:23 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [194.216.44.43]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19470; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:46:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [194.216.44.36]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17345; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:42:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:39:57 +0000 To: Keith Wong , Richard Chalk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Example of Fraud on e-bay -= getting very off topic MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA13610 I take a related point of view - I don't mind copying software to evaluate it, but if it turns out to work, and I use it, I will then pay for it. Of course I don't expect support, but then I'm imposing a kind of shareware approach on software distributors, whether they like it or not. It works for me, and quite fairly I think. The rubbish software just gets binned in the process. - Adam P.S. A funny thing happened the last time I tried to buy a Borland compiler that I had started using on a commercial project, they no longer supported that compiler and I ended up buying one two versions later. Strange thing was: the new compiler required too much memory to run on the computer I was using at the time. Oh well.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay Author: MIME:Richard Chalk at INTERNET Date: 03/09/99 16:27 so it's OK to steal software, but not money. Interesting point of view... Richard At 11:52 AM 9/2/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: >--I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the >best for >corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of >those $25 >copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or >even >posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same >domain >name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about >it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer >people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've >always >been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software, >but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong. > > --keith Wong > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools. > > > > > >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and > > >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is > > >nothing but a fool. > > > > As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But > > everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless, > > you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much > > security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future > > sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what > > they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the > > responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall > > on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should > > know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!! > > > > >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's > > >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up > > >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an > > >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a > scam, > > >you can't fault eBay for this. > > > > Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions > > like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect > > its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive. > > But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do > > is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy > > medium for buying/selling. > > > > By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting > > fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they > > were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and > > enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not. > > > > >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these > buyers > > >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and > a lot > > >of land in Florida I could sell to them. > > > > Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to > > shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more > > than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it > > ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last > statement > > is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive. > > > > BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your > > shoulder. :) > > > > Mark > > > > > > > >C. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark Bell > > >To: TP List > > >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM > > >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay > > > > > > > > >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay. > > >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and > > >>you will see. > > >> > > >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >>> Randy... > > >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin.. > > >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad > > >thing > > >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote: > > >At > > >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here > > >is > > >>>> something to ponder.. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>><&item=150978232>http://c > > >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" > > >>>feedback rating and a > > >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 > > >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to > pause > > >>and > > >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other > than > > >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is > > >>>necessarily an > > >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't > legit, I > > >>>would be more inclined to > > >>>suggest > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------ > > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > >> ------------------------------------------------ > > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > >>Network and System consultation and installation > > >> ------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Fri Sep 3 12:07:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13731 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:07:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08507; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08328; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08290; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:04:34 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-209.usc.edu [128.125.224.209]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA10588; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990903085246.00afacc0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:02:04 -0700 To: Adam Quantrill , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Software Copying (Was: Example of Fraud on e-bay) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:39 PM 09/03/1999 +0000, you wrote: >I take a related point of view - I don't mind copying software to evaluate >it, but if it turns out to work, and I use it, I will then pay for it. > >Of course I don't expect support, but then I'm imposing a kind of shareware >approach on software distributors, whether they like it or not. > >It works for me, and quite fairly I think. The rubbish software just gets >binned in the process. Quite agreed--have done the same myself many times. Or back in the "good 'ol days" when a single software package was upwards of $500, I'd get my...uh..."copy" but I'd want tech support or a manual or something, so I ended up buying it (perhaps at the next version) anyway. As a matter of fact, on an individual basis, I think some level of piracy actually benefits the industry, since the person oftentimes uses the product, becomes a fan of it, then ends up buying it (perhaps at the next version upgrade) anyway. It works as a kind of "super demo" and really rakes people in, and software companies really are more interested in a large installed base that they can continuously sell upgrades to anyway. If there was a way to do so without pissing off their existing customers, there is no question they would *give* you their software package for free if it meant you'd be "hooked" and buy upgrades from them for years to come. With some notable exceptions, like counterfeiters, games and enterprise-wide piracy, it isn't nearly the problem that the industry watchdogs would like you to believe it is. The truth of the matter is that for "normal" folks like you and me, they love it--the love the fact that they're converting you into a believer that will be ultimately buy upgrades >from them ad infinitum. Its like giving you the razor handle for free just so they can sell you blades forever. - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Sep 3 12:09:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13744 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:09:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08965; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:06:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08572; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmp400nt.sivco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08452; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibmp400nt.sivco.com (161.184.80.18 -> clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:05:36 -0400 Received: by ibmp400nt.sivco.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) id 072567E1.005DF569 ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:06:16 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIVCO From: "Geza Szivos" To: mdash@plexsys.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <072567E1.005DF47F.00@ibmp400nt.sivco.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:06:12 -0700 Subject: Re: NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=y4Xk29XF7JRTwgsVd24zZdCSjTAK6PeJePSCcnOlVXLkQ3MvYqpA1TxY" Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: --0__=y4Xk29XF7JRTwgsVd24zZdCSjTAK6PeJePSCcnOlVXLkQ3MvYqpA1TxY Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm running NT4 Server & Workstation with SP5 happily. The ONLY thing you have to watch is save the pcmcia.sys before installing the servicepack. After rebooting, you can copy it back to C:\winnt\system32\drivers (See attached file: Pcmcia.sys) mdash@plexsys.com (Michael D. Scheer) on 09/01/99 08:55:37 AM Please respond to mdash@plexsys.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: FaxTo: Subject: NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600 I'm running SP3 with no problems, but need to upgrade to SP4 or 5 for Y2K issues. Any experience/caveats to share? The IBM support party line seems to be ambivalent. 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Let's talk about Thinkpads! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:42:21 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Come on, enough already of all this insulting back and forth. You know who you are. Take this off the list and carry it on in private if you must. On this list let's talk about Thinkpads! This will hopefully stop this deluge of non-related mail and (my pet peeve) all this endless huge quoting of complete previous messages to each other. Everyone take a deep breath. Let's have a nice long weekend everyone. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 3 12:52:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14062 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:52:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12817; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:46:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12683; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12648; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:45:57 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09431; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:46:32 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909031646.LAA09431@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks To: Mike@Geary.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > My PCMCIA CD-ROM drive arrived today from CompGeeks, with UPS ground > taking two days just as promised. Wow that was quick. > 1969-RR1 Refurb PCMCIA CDROM > Equivalent to M/T 1969-010 > Sold "As-Is" No Warranty > Used and Tested > So apparently the 90 day warranty is from CompGeeks themselves. I once bought an IBM H&A modem/ethernet card from them via ONSALE and yes, they take care of the warranty, not IBM (though in my case it was a new/unused but disconinued product). By the way, this deal sounded so good that I had to check it out too. David R pointed me also to ONSALE and I managed to snag one for $73 + s&h (another $10) - also from CompuGeeks. I hope I get mine as fast as yours. I don't know if they will auction off any more on ONSALE, but it might be a way to save a few dollars. Cheers Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 3 13:13:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14232 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:13:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14650; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14458; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14386; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:05:14 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg-20425426-203.ricochet.net [204.254.26.203]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18896; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:05:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" Cc: Subject: RE: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199909031646.LAA09431@europa.veggie.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > By the way, this deal sounded so good that I had to check it out > too. David R pointed me also to ONSALE and I managed to snag one for > $73 + s&h (another $10) - also from CompuGeeks. That's a nice price! I should have thought to check Onsale myself. Just checked, and they do have 15 of the drives up for auction, closing at 11:15 PDT today. But the minimum bid is $89, and shipping is $10 instead of the $6 that CompuGeeks charges when they sell the drive directly for $99. http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00000261/01981042.htm http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Fri Sep 3 16:21:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15519 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28510; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:17:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28378; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28361; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:17:39 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27343 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:36 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007e01bef649$60f70700$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Recently JC Lerman posted a pointer to the drive fitness utility that IBM has made available; I tried it on my 560, and all it did was force a system reboot. Has anyone else tried it? Is the drive in my 560 (contrary to my understanding) not in fact a Travelstar? (The machine in question is a 2640-10U, i.e. P133 w/2 gig drive) - David R. From cph Fri Sep 3 16:24:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15545 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:24:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29082; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28983; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28953; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:22:39 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02173; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909032022.PAA02173@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga7-49.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.177) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001910; Fri Sep 3 15:21:51 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ted Wiseman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37d3e81c.64465774@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Harrassment List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:32:45 GMT, Ted Wiseman wrote: >"Carlos de la Puente" delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca wrote: > > >>I am removing myself from this discussion group and I am hereby serving >>notice that any unsolicited e-mails from individuals belonging to this >>discussion group -- with whom I have had no business dealings in the past -- >>will be deemed to be harassment and I will take any and all measures >>available to me to stop it and to seek retribution. > >Any and all, or in other words "none". Too bad he's not around anymore >to tell us just what those measures are. If I could find an foolproof >way to avoid the harassment of receiving each day all the unsolicited >spam e-mails from individuals with whom I have had no business dealing >in the past, I'd package it and sell it on EBay. Sympatico? If you are one of the guys who ran Carlos off, then take a hike. Carlos has been very helpful to myself and others. Hopefully, he will come back. From cph Fri Sep 3 16:29:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15565 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:29:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29712; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29549; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29527; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:27:05 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02451; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:25:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909032025.PAA02451@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga7-49.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.177) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002382; Fri Sep 3 15:24:34 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "Esmail Bonakdarian" , "Michael Geary" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <004601bef644$848e9b60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: EZ Serve round 2 List-Unsubscribe: Sent the 760CD to EZ Serve for a problem with sound. Back it came, as mentioned, with a 1K bill. Got that little irritation solved with a warrenty, but two weeks later no sound. New box arrived today. Maybe this time..... Allan Ballard From cph Fri Sep 3 16:53:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15672 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:53:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01392; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:41:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00895; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00872; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:41:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 6525 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 1999 20:41:09 -0000 Received: from pppa21-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.80) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 20:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 13:45:28 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 13:41:29 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: David Ross References: <007e01bef649$60f70700$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> David Ross wrote: > > Recently JC Lerman posted a pointer to the drive fitness utility that IBM has made available; > I tried it on my 560, and all it did was force a system reboot. Has anyone else tried It worked OK in my TP770. > it? Is the drive in my 560 (contrary to my understanding) not in fact a Travelstar? The other utility offered by IBM in the same web page: EZ-S.M.A.R.T., will among other things, read the hardware info and tell you if the drive is a Travelstar and its model number. > (The machine in question is a 2640-10U, i.e. P133 w/2 gig drive) > > - David R. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Sep 3 17:18:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15896 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:18:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03121; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:11:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02923; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02902; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:11:06 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) with SMTP id RAA02334; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909032111.RAA02334@vixen.cs.utk.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: vixen.cs.utk.edu: LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jane Loyless cc: judi@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Harrassment reply to Jane, et al In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:09:33 -0400. <3.0.1.32.19990903160933.0106a3f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:11:04 -0400 From: Judi Theg Talley List-Unsubscribe: Jane and the list, I appreciate Jane letting me know, because as she pointed out, I don't read the list. I still help admin the list, but right now I'm passing most stuff off to Keith; he's getting the "thinkpad-request" stuff right now and will be handling the complaint. This is why we ask that questions and concerns be sent to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu; that way we can find a volunteer to man the con, so to speak, without having to redirect everyone to another address. Eventually I'll get settled into my new lifestyle, and me and my laptop will be reading the list more often. This wasn't a problem or sudden change, but a long-awaited, much-anticipated, joyful change. But it's still a change, and I am a bit behind in my reading! Actually, a stay-at-home Mom may be just what this list needs... Have a great labor day! I plan to have a retirement party, myself! Judi, a 20+ year admin that retired WITHOUT health problems! That's what I call a good career. Jane Loyless spoke thusly: > At 09:34 AM 9/3/99 -1000, David Ross wrote: > > >I'm not sure why you cc'd your post to Judi Talley - judging from her > homepage, she has > >other problems to worry about right now. > > > > I cc'd her because problems or not she's the administrator of the list and > I recommended that Carlos contact her if he felt there were issues on the > list. I was taught that it was unprofessional to mention someone and not > cc them (particularly if they might become involved). Since Judi has > stated that she doesn't read the list, there would be no other way that she > would have seen my note had I not cc'd her. > > Have a good holiday weekend! > > Jane Judi --- Judi Theg Talley http://www.cs.utk.edu/~judi/ See the tree! Click on "Life in East TN!" There are no good system administrators, merely temporarily satisfied users. --Tim Martin From cph Fri Sep 3 17:36:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16013 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:36:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26049; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:43:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25799; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25738; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:42:58 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA27138; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:42:47 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004601bef644$848e9b60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Michael Geary" , "Esmail Bonakdarian" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:42:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > > By the way, this deal sounded so good that I had to check it out > > too. David R pointed me also to ONSALE and I managed to snag one for > > $73 + s&h (another $10) - also from CompuGeeks. > > That's a nice price! I should have thought to check Onsale myself. They dropped the starting bid to $1 for a couple of days, I would guess to try to increase the number of bidders (I bought one too, last Tuesday, at the $89 starting bid, and for the 15 units offered only 3 or 4 people had bid). However, as Esmail points out, they then sold very cheap. (Maybe it isn't such a clever idea to start a bid at $1 then offer 44 units!) Anyway, while I would prefer myself to have paid $73 for one than $89 or $99, I'm glad that at least one person on this list got a bargain price. (You can always send me a finders fee:=) BTW, I see (in their 'just arrived' section) that compgeeks now has the New Media Livewire 10/100 ethernet pcmcia card for $39. I have an earlier model of the Livewire, and think it is a decent card. (There should be lots of New Media stuff around at resellers, since they went belly up about a year ago, and their remaining stock should now finally have made it through the courts. New Media had good products, middling support, and terrible marketing - not the accepted recipe for commercial success!) - David R. From cph Fri Sep 3 18:56:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16459 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:56:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08263; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:54:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08150; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08122; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:54:03 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JFJJHON8G2QWYSTN@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:56:01 CST Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:56:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Off track Q: MS MIS or MS comp science ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Sorry to bug everyone here with an off track question but I am in a dilema now as to what education path I should take for my graduate/master program. I am torn between Master Science in Computer Science and Master Science in Management Information System. :( I already surfed a lot of web sites (school's & individuals) as well as talked to a lot of people on this matter ans still I couldnt convince myself as to the right track. My goal: To own my own consulting company (providing consulting work as well as selling all hardware needed for IT in an organization & the home. - I want to be able to setup, program & manage a database system (Oracle & Access) as well as a business e-commerce websites ...etc. - I want the skill to be able to go to an empty space and physically build up a LAN & WAN system & administer and manage it (from as complex as a big organization to as small as a home). as well as being able to give remote access for the workers. - Setup an internet server (for purpose of providing ISP service or for e-commerce need) Question: to all the people who are working in the IT field now or have experience in these matter, Assuming that i am definetly wanting to get a master degree. DO i really need a Master degree in COmputer Science in order to achieve Science in order to achieve the above goals ? WIll an average Master science in Management Information technology from an average business school be adequate ? (p/s: I ve been in one semester under computer science classes, these guy are so technical that they are actually talking about what's going on inside an IC (integrated circuit) ! ). >From the real life IT personnel or a real life working professional ( Corporation, businessman, employer ..etc) What are real advantages disadvantages of a graduate in MS MIS vs MS comp science ??? Why ? I already had C programming skills and i figure out i can learn and be able to program in other languages (CGI, Perl, Java) by myself if needed. any comments on this assumption ? Thank you so much in advance for all your thoughs & comments. Sincerely, Jon "Looking to start grad school in spring" W From cph Fri Sep 3 18:58:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16480 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:58:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08471; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:55:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08293; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08273; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:55:21 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28955; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:55:08 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00ee01bef65f$637e4c20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:55:14 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Me: > Is the drive in my 560 (contrary to my understanding) not in fact a Travelstar? JC: > The other utility offered by IBM in the same web page: > EZ-S.M.A.R.T., will among other > things, read the hardware info and tell you if the drive is a > Travelstar and its model > number. I ran this; I can't find any mention of 'travelstar' anywhere, but it gives me a drive model number of IBM-DTNA-22110. At the IBM web site I find two drive models starting with DTNA (namely, DTNA-22160 and DTNA-21800), but no 22110. (Both of these are travelstars.) I then tried a general web search for my model number, it returned several links to IBM sites, all of which are dead. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks, David R. From cph Fri Sep 3 19:54:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16735 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:54:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11139; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11019; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10980; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:51:40 -0400 Received: from 178.phoenix-11-12rs.az.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.36.178]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990903235135.SSED11568@178.phoenix-11-12rs.az.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:51:35 +0000 From: tdwis@ibm.net (Ted Wiseman) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:51:25 GMT Message-ID: <37d65b18.18580235@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <004601bef644$848e9b60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <004601bef644$848e9b60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA16736 ross@math.hawaii.edu wrote: >BTW, I see (in their 'just arrived' section) that compgeeks now has the New Media Livewire 10/100 ethernet pcmcia card for $39. I >have an earlier model of the Livewire, and think it is a decent card. (There should be lots of New Media stuff around at resellers, >since they went belly up about a year ago, >and their remaining stock should now finally have made it through the courts. New Media had good products, middling support, and >terrible marketing - not the accepted recipe for commercial success!) I'm looking for a 10/100 ethernet card for my TP 701, and also saw the New Media card, except at Onsale http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00000325/01978467.htm with 83 units at a current bid range of $11-$21. However, Onsale says it has a 1-yr warranty provided by New Media, so might they still be in biz? Onsale also has a TRENDnet 10/100 32-bit card @ $59 w/ a lifetime warranty. Anybody here know anything about that card? Also does the 32-bit architecture necessarily imply a faster transfer rate? From cph Fri Sep 3 20:00:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16763 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:00:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11678; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11530; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11517; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:56:53 -0400 Received: from 178.phoenix-11-12rs.az.dial-access.att.net ([12.72.36.178]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990903235650.SUDI11568@178.phoenix-11-12rs.az.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:56:50 +0000 From: tdwis@ibm.net (Ted Wiseman) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Harrassment Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:56:45 GMT Message-ID: <37d45959.18133006@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199909032022.PAA02173@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <199909032022.PAA02173@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA16764 aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: >If you are one of the guys who ran Carlos off, then take a hike. >Carlos has been very helpful to myself and others. He and I have never corresponded, but I commend his willingness to help others. I do take hikes on a regular basis, and would recommend that activity to others as a way to put life's annoying details in their proper perspective. It possibly can even exercise one's sense of humor, which can be a valuable tool for dealing with computers and bandwidth problems. >Hopefully, he will come back. I agree. Relaxed and refreshed after a holiday break! Cheers From cph Fri Sep 3 21:11:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17019 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:11:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14958; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:07:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14774; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14761; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:07:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA00081; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:07:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00ff01bef671$e92f96a0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ted Wiseman" , References: <004601bef644$848e9b60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <37d65b18.18580235@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:07:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Me: > >have an earlier model of the Livewire, and think it is a decent card. (There should be lots of New Media stuff around at resellers, since they went belly up about a year ago, Ted: > However, Onsale says > it has a 1-yr warranty provided by New Media, so might they still be > in biz? Or maybe reorganized - somewhat over a year ago their web page disappeared, they stopped answering the phone, and there was an article detailing their problems on one of the news sites I used to read. I'm pretty sure the word 'bankruptcy' was in there somewhere. However, I see that their web page is now back, so my information has apparently been obsoleted. This is extremely good news, since (a) their products really are quite good, and (b) I'm writing this email using a New Media ethernet card. (I would still guess that the dumping of their cards at auction is an artifact of their problems from before - I wonder if we'll see some inexpensive Bus Toasters soon?) You can find information on the company producing the Trendnet cards at http://www.trendware.com/profile/profile.htm - they look pretty decent. - David From cph Fri Sep 3 22:44:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17297 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:44:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18226; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18106; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18092; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:41 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id WAA00854 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-goo-vty4.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-goo-vty4.as.wcom.net [216.192.137.4]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id WAA00834 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:36:53 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9900.990903@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks) In-reply-To: <37d65b18.18580235@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37d65b18.18580235@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 03, 1999, 6:51:25 PM, Ted wrote: TW> Onsale says it has a 1-yr warranty provided by New Media, TW> so might they still be in biz? I don't know anything about New Media, but I have another data point on Onsale warranty information. Lately, they have had a number of SyJet 1.5Gig removable drives for sale. In the warranty information, they list that the drives have a warranty provided by SyQuest and give a phone number. Well, since I thought I had heard that SyQuest had gone belly up, had some of their assets bought by Iomega, and that Iomega had killed anything from SyQuest with even a whiff of competition for their Jaz drives, I thought this was odd. So, I called the listed number -- Disconnected. I sent feedback to Onsale telling them that their warranty information was wrong, and asking who was providing warranty coverage. They gave me contact information for the company selling the drives. They have not returned any of my attempts to contact them. I guess one might say that it's "always a bit risky" to buy through Onsale? :-) Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN9CFwG8pw+2/9pUJEQKO2QCgnc1P6rTq9803ODFBtBOT613Vk2sAoOu7 wvAWYddzGYVT5lw+2+aKYpVo =U0ma -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat Sep 4 03:27:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA17755 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:27:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02152; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:19:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29827; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29654; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:19:20 -0400 Received: from test [208.198.8.41] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-5.04) id A88C3C70104; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:21:48 PDT Reply-To: From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: "TP List" Subject: 10 gig partitioning Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:19:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990902145838.00c929d0@rcf.usc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Yess! My TP600E (PII400, 10 gig, DVD) just arrived! Now, how to properly repartition the drive? Come 2gig+8gig - I'd prefer it all in one, but seem to run into # of cylinder limitations. Anyone with a solution out there for me? Thanks! waldemar kowalski From cph Sat Sep 4 06:33:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA18230 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:33:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19221; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19126; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19113; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:31:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 13815 invoked by uid 66); 4 Sep 1999 10:33:54 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sat Sep 4 10:33:54 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 85E7A6013; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:44:07 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning Date: 4 Sep 1999 08:44:07 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7qqm4n$g6e$2@seneca.muc.de> References: Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 936434647 16590 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 1999 08:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 1999 08:44:07 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10 (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Waldemar Kowalski wrote: > Yess! My TP600E (PII400, 10 gig, DVD) just arrived! > Now, how to properly repartition the drive? Come 2gig+8gig - I'd prefer it > all in one, but seem to run into # of cylinder limitations. Anyone with a > solution out there for me? For which OS? -- Emersons' Law of Contrariness: Our chief want in life is somebody who shall make us do what we can. Having found them, we shall then hate them for it. From cph Sat Sep 4 07:00:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA18264 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:00:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19937; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19851; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19834; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:45 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA25976; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:58:06 -0400 (EDT) To: "Ronald W. Heiby" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks) In-Reply-To: <9900.990903@falkor.chi.il.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Newmedia = ick, gross. Or, at least, that's been my experience. For one, I think they're out of business... or, at least, I hope they are. But they *REALLY* pissed me off with (one of ?) their SCSI connector. Specifically, the PCMCIA SCSI card itself had pins, and the connector had female connectors... but the female connectors were just jutting out; they weren't surrounded by plastic or anything. (Here comes the good part.) Also, there was no indication of which way was right-side-up when you went to plug in the cable. It was, however, keyed -- using the pins/connectors themselves. Bottom line? Try to plug it in upside down, and you ran a *VERY* good chance of breaking the SCSI cable by crumpling the "keyed" connectors. Easily the worst PCMCIA design I've ever seen. Adaptec rules. I understand they aren't cheap, but when it comes to SCSI, they just keep doing it right. As for Newmedia, well, if I ever find the ME who designed that card, I'm going to have some very, very choice words for him/her. Just my $.02 worth. -Ken On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:36:53 -0500 > From: Ronald W. Heiby > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Friday, September 03, 1999, 6:51:25 PM, Ted wrote: > TW> Onsale says it has a 1-yr warranty provided by New Media, > TW> so might they still be in biz? > > I don't know anything about New Media, but I have another data point > on Onsale warranty information. > > Lately, they have had a number of SyJet 1.5Gig removable drives for > sale. In the warranty information, they list that the drives have a > warranty provided by SyQuest and give a phone number. > > Well, since I thought I had heard that SyQuest had gone belly up, had > some of their assets bought by Iomega, and that Iomega had killed > anything from SyQuest with even a whiff of competition for their Jaz > drives, I thought this was odd. So, I called the listed number -- > Disconnected. > > I sent feedback to Onsale telling them that their warranty information > was wrong, and asking who was providing warranty coverage. They gave > me contact information for the company selling the drives. They have > not returned any of my attempts to contact them. > > I guess one might say that it's "always a bit risky" to buy through > Onsale? :-) > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN9CFwG8pw+2/9pUJEQKO2QCgnc1P6rTq9803ODFBtBOT613Vk2sAoOu7 > wvAWYddzGYVT5lw+2+aKYpVo > =U0ma > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From cph Sat Sep 4 07:43:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA18312 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:43:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21677; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21567; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21551; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:39:04 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02184 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:38:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006501bef6ca$18f52be0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Ethernet PCMCIA and TP701 (Was: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM fromCompGeeks) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:39:04 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Newmedia = ick, gross. Or, at least, that's been my experience. For one, > I think they're out of business... or, at least, I hope they are. But > they *REALLY* pissed me off with (one of ?) their SCSI connector. Newmedia did have a 'cheap' line of cards, which was of lower quality than their regular line, but even so your 'naked connector' problem sounds strange - maybe your card came with a defective cable? Anyway, the Livewire dongles are unambiguous, as were (are?) those of their highly regarded Bus Toaster SCSI card. > just keep doing it right. As for Newmedia, well, if I ever find the ME > who designed that card, I'm going to have some very, very choice words for > him/her. Well, since their website seems to be back up, you can always cc them a copy of your post here. In my experience, this sort of letter - even years after the fact - can result in much happiness for the writer. Regards, David From cph Sat Sep 4 08:06:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA18336 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:06:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22493; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:01:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22376; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22363; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:01:52 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA15207; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909041200.HAA15207@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga7-49.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.177) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015203; Sat Sep 4 07:00:45 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" , "Harald Milz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 08:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <7qqm4n$g6e$2@seneca.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning List-Unsubscribe: On 4 Sep 1999 08:44:07 GMT, Harald Milz wrote: >Waldemar Kowalski wrote: >> Yess! My TP600E (PII400, 10 gig, DVD) just arrived! > >> Now, how to properly repartition the drive? Come 2gig+8gig - I'd prefer it >> all in one, but seem to run into # of cylinder limitations. Anyone with a >> solution out there for me? > >For which OS? This is a good time to plug OS/2 -- which can handle the drive no problema. > >-- >Emersons' Law of Contrariness: > Our chief want in life is somebody who shall make us do what we >can. Having found them, we shall then hate them for it. > From cph Sat Sep 4 09:16:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18474 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:16:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25116; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:11:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25015; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24994; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:11:16 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA13726; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:11:41 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909041311.IAA13726@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: EZ Serve round 2 To: aballard@ix.netcom.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:11:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, esmail@uiowa.edu, Mike@Geary.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199909032025.PAA02451@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> from "Allan Ballard" at Sep 3, 99 04:25:33 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hope it worked out. The best warranty is one that has never to be used. Esmail > Sent the 760CD to EZ Serve for a problem with sound. > > Back it came, as mentioned, with a 1K bill. Got that little > irritation solved with a warrenty, but two weeks later no sound. > > New box arrived today. Maybe this time..... ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sat Sep 4 10:16:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA18564 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:16:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26707; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26595; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26581; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (207.70.126.132 -> clavin.interaccess.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:07 -0400 Received: from randolph (d118.ch.interaccess.com [207.208.15.118]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA09199 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:09:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Richard E. Robbins" To: Subject: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bef6dc$5f3fb040$c9fbb7c6@tinker.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909041311.IAA13726@europa.veggie.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for purchase two notebook machines for active use in my home. My wife uses them for typical SOHO applications and my children use them for a wide variety of childrens software including many CD ROM applications as well as limited web browsing. I would use these machines in a pinch if for some reason there was a problem with my primary computer. We are all most comfortable with the pointer stick style pointer. I have had good luck with Toshibas but am attracted to the Thinkpad line (which we have had great success with at my place of work). I am willing to spend up to $3000 or so per machine. These machines will replace a pair of aging Toshiba Satellite Pro notebooks, a 400 and 430 CDT, respectively. Because these machines are rarely taken out of the house, a seven pound box is not a problem. A three spindle setup would be nice. At a minimum the notebook must be able to be configured with an onboard CD ROM. A port replicator with PCMCIA support is also a must as we prefer to dock the machines to the replicator in order to attach to a home network. I don't want my wife or children fussing with attaching network cables to any device. The screen should support 1024x768. I am aware that some screens support larger resolutions by some sort of panning technique where the screen shifts as you move the mouse pointer along the edge of the display. I am not interested in this approach at all. In other words, if the display is set to 1024x768 I want the whole thing visible at one time. Finally, I have assumed 64 meg of memory and at least a 4.0 gig hard drive. At the end of the day I've narrowed things to the 1552 i Series, although I'm not sure what sorts of port replicators are available and the 390 (one of the models with the 14 inch screen). How would you differentiate between these machines for my intended use? Why should I prefer one to the other? -- Rich From cph Sat Sep 4 12:36:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18944 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:36:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01426; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:29:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01287; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01270; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail1.its.rpi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:29:35 -0400 Received: from k1 (magneton-13.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.193.182]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA69132 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:29:33 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: EZ Serve!!!! Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bef6f3$28798150$b6c17180@k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Okay I've had it with EZ Serve and IBM. I love my ThinkPad but not enough to live with horrible service. Those of you who have been reading my messages know that first they attempted charge me $1000(which seems like what they charge everyone regardless of the problem) then they returned my ThinkPad with cracks and pieces missing. Well IBM offered to send it back to EZ Serve again to fix it, but I was completely unwilling to part whit my machine for it to come back half fixed. So the case was escalated to a customer service department that deals with these issues. They informed me that there was nothing they could do and were sorry!!! I have decided that I must make sure IBM takes a serious look at where EZ Serve has gone in recent years. To accomplish this I am setting up a web page with my personal experiences and those of others who have dealt with EZ Serve. I will also be writing a letter, with the first hand experiences included, to Lou Gerstner(CEO) and others at IBM. So I am asking for people to submit their experiences to the list. Thanks A Kumar From cph Sat Sep 4 13:29:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19048 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:28:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04148; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03936; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03905; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:25:38 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.192.213]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990904172534.ZQVH21390@oemcomputer>; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:25:34 +0000 Message-ID: <37D15516.61C1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:21:26 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.netx X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Richard E. Robbins" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: No ext warranty on iSeries - was Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series References: <000801bef6dc$5f3fb040$c9fbb7c6@tinker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My understanding is that IBM has reneged on the extended warranty for the iSeries. Many have complaint in news:comp.sys.laptops that when purchasing the iSeries they were told that extended warranty was available but when they tried to purchase it were told it was not. I'm saying all this taking people's word -- not having checked out recently with IBM directly. I do know when I helped a friend that was new to laptops with a i1412 (when they first came out)and called for the extented warranty the first IBM person that answered the phone said it was not available --because the model number was not yet listed in their guidelines -- but the next level said it was and sold it. But now I believe things might very different.So make sure before you make your buying decision. Simon Bryquer Simon Bryquer -- Remove all Xs before Name & World when replying Richard E. Robbins wrote: > > I am looking for purchase two notebook machines for active use in my home. > My wife uses them for typical SOHO applications and my children use them for > a wide variety of childrens software including many CD ROM applications as > well as limited web browsing. I would use these machines in a pinch if for > some reason there was a problem with my primary computer. We are all most > comfortable with the pointer stick style pointer. I have had good luck with > Toshibas but am attracted to the Thinkpad line (which we have had great > success with at my place of work). I am willing to spend up to $3000 or so > per machine. > > These machines will replace a pair of aging Toshiba Satellite Pro notebooks, > a 400 and 430 CDT, respectively. Because these machines are rarely taken > out of the house, a seven pound box is not a problem. A three spindle setup > would be nice. At a minimum the notebook must be able to be configured with > an onboard CD ROM. A port replicator with PCMCIA support is also a must as > we prefer to dock the machines to the replicator in order to attach to a > home network. I don't want my wife or children fussing with attaching > network cables to any device. The screen should support 1024x768. I am > aware that some screens support larger resolutions by some sort of panning > technique where the screen shifts as you move the mouse pointer along the > edge of the display. I am not interested in this approach at all. In other > words, if the display is set to 1024x768 I want the whole thing visible at > one time. Finally, I have assumed 64 meg of memory and at least a 4.0 gig > hard drive. > > At the end of the day I've narrowed things to the 1552 i Series, although > I'm not sure what sorts of port replicators are available and the 390 (one > of the models with the 14 inch screen). > > How would you differentiate between these machines for my intended use? Why > should I prefer one to the other? > > -- Rich -- From cph Sat Sep 4 13:45:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19078 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:45:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03908; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03796; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03780; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:24:51 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.192.213]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990904172448.CWIX11568@oemcomputer>; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: <37D15516.61C1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:21:26 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.netx X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Richard E. Robbins" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: No ext warranty on iSeries - was Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series References: <000801bef6dc$5f3fb040$c9fbb7c6@tinker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My understanding is that IBM has reneged on the extended warranty for the iSeries. Many have complaint in news:comp.sys.laptops that when purchasing the iSeries they were told that extended warranty was available but when they tried to purchase it were told it was not. I'm saying all this taking people's word -- not having checked out recently with IBM directly. I do know when I helped a friend that was new to laptops with a i1412 (when they first came out)and called for the extented warranty the first IBM person that answered the phone said it was not available --because the model number was not yet listed in their guidelines -- but the next level said it was and sold it. But now I believe things might very different.So make sure before you make your buying decision. Simon Bryquer Simon Bryquer -- Remove all Xs before Name & World when replying Richard E. Robbins wrote: > > I am looking for purchase two notebook machines for active use in my home. > My wife uses them for typical SOHO applications and my children use them for > a wide variety of childrens software including many CD ROM applications as > well as limited web browsing. I would use these machines in a pinch if for > some reason there was a problem with my primary computer. We are all most > comfortable with the pointer stick style pointer. I have had good luck with > Toshibas but am attracted to the Thinkpad line (which we have had great > success with at my place of work). I am willing to spend up to $3000 or so > per machine. > > These machines will replace a pair of aging Toshiba Satellite Pro notebooks, > a 400 and 430 CDT, respectively. Because these machines are rarely taken > out of the house, a seven pound box is not a problem. A three spindle setup > would be nice. At a minimum the notebook must be able to be configured with > an onboard CD ROM. A port replicator with PCMCIA support is also a must as > we prefer to dock the machines to the replicator in order to attach to a > home network. I don't want my wife or children fussing with attaching > network cables to any device. The screen should support 1024x768. I am > aware that some screens support larger resolutions by some sort of panning > technique where the screen shifts as you move the mouse pointer along the > edge of the display. I am not interested in this approach at all. In other > words, if the display is set to 1024x768 I want the whole thing visible at > one time. Finally, I have assumed 64 meg of memory and at least a 4.0 gig > hard drive. > > At the end of the day I've narrowed things to the 1552 i Series, although > I'm not sure what sorts of port replicators are available and the 390 (one > of the models with the 14 inch screen). > > How would you differentiate between these machines for my intended use? Why > should I prefer one to the other? > > -- Rich -- From cph Sun Sep 5 01:24:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00246 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:24:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01893; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01793; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay14.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01779; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay14.jaring.my (192.228.128.125 -> relay14.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:22:40 -0400 Received: from jaring.my (gloves@j47.ktk34.jaring.my [161.142.52.61]) by relay14.jaring.my (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04710 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:22:33 +0800 (MYT) From: Daniel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:23:09 +0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7pg5mp$glv$2@seneca.muc.de> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: A few questions if you don't mind. ;-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hallo! Actually, just on the topic of batteries, I wanted to ask some questions which are probably basic, but I just wanted a bit of confirmation. 1. To "fully discharge" a battery, does that mean simply to run it down until it goes into suspend mode and you can't press the "fn" key to get things back again? (incidentally I have a 600e) 2. Does adding more ram (I've added another 64MB to the original 64MB) suck up more battery power? 3. If you don't use a spare battery for awhile, can it lose its charge? And how long before it *does* lose its charge? 4. Can batteries lose their charge length? Ummm, let me make that clearer. I mean, if a battery is supposed to last about 3 hours (like the 600e), can it somehow "lose" that and eventually only last say, 2 hours no matter how much recharging is done? 5. How safe is it (I've never been sure on this point) to charge a battery when it's not run down completely? 6. And finally ... how loud is the fan supposed to be? Are you supposed to be able to hear it in a quiet room? :) Thanks in advance, and thanks to all those who suggested ideas to help me out with my internal modem problems. I have it up and running now! :) Daniel From cph Sun Sep 5 01:32:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00419 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:32:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29301; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:22:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29201; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29188; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:22:13 -0400 Received: from test [208.198.8.41] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-5.04) id A08B158007A; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:24:43 PDT Reply-To: From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: Subject: RE: 10 gig partitioning Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:22:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <7qqm4n$g6e$2@seneca.muc.de> List-Unsubscribe: Sorry - didn't specify OS - currently running Win98SE, although I'm severly tempted by Linux. Probably will go with Win2K, though, because of compatibility demands at work (employer-provided machine). Reprise - have 10gig drive, would prefer to use as one partition. (on a new TP600E PII400/10g/DVD - nice machine, replacing a TP600 PII/233...) waldemar kowalski From cph Sun Sep 5 01:32:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00423 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:32:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00122; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:33:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29886; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29873; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:33:29 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-113.usc.edu [128.125.224.113]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA01998; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990904212721.00cc5b50@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:31:01 -0700 To: , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: 10 gig partitioning In-Reply-To: References: <7qqm4n$g6e$2@seneca.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:22 PM 09/04/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry - didn't specify OS - currently running Win98SE, although I'm severly >tempted by Linux. Probably will go with Win2K, though, because of >compatibility demands at work (employer-provided machine). > >Reprise - have 10gig drive, would prefer to use as one partition. (on a new >TP600E PII400/10g/DVD - nice machine, replacing a TP600 PII/233...) > >waldemar kowalski I guess I'm just not clear on why there's a problem. Just format it as one big partition--how tough is that? Go to FDISK and have a ball. :-) If you're looking to do so without trashing everything you've already got on the HD, then go buy a HD Partition Software package ($40-ish if you shop well) like Partition Magic (www.powerquest.com--another option is www.v-com.com that has a competing package, also very good) and go for it. Nothing's keeping you from having one big 10 GB HD partition. Though you will have to convert to FAT32 if you don't already have that. From cph Sun Sep 5 01:32:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00426 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:32:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19835; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19734; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19715; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (36.33.1.200 -> Hoover.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:22:45 -0400 Received: from dbarklaptop.stanford.edu (unverified [171.66.164.88]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:22:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990904172319.0083e770@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:23:19 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: From cph Sun Sep 5 01:34:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00447 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21460; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:12:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21358; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21345; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:12:07 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA04075; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:11:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:11:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I finally got this to work by getting another copy - first version must have been corrupted. As far as I can tell this is a very nice utility, that all TP owners should keep around. Ditto for the (windows only) SMART drive software at the same site (though it is annoying that the latter installs itself in the startup directory). Thanks to Juan-Carlos Lerman both for posting the original pointer and for encouragement when I had problems. Now, if only I can find out why my TP560 2gig drive model is not in the IBM list of current and discontinued drives... - David R. From cph Sun Sep 5 01:36:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00450 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:36:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14057; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:40:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13973; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toolbox.total.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13957; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toolbox.total.net (205.236.175.109 -> toolbox.total.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:40:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 27761 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 21:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO accent.net) (216.210.34.153) by smtp.total.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 21:40:08 -0000 Message-ID: <37D19139.5955C54A@accent.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:38:01 -0400 From: Karl Hazan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.netx CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: No ext warranty on iSeries - was Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series References: <000801bef6dc$5f3fb040$c9fbb7c6@tinker.net> <37D15516.61C1@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Simon Bryquer wrote: > > My understanding is that IBM has reneged on the extended warranty for > the iSeries. Many have complaint in news:comp.sys.laptops that when > purchasing the iSeries they were told that extended warranty was > available but when they tried to purchase it were told it was not. I'm > saying all this taking people's word -- not having checked out recently > with IBM directly. I suspect that is just a rumour. Otherwise, IBM is flirting with a massive class-action lawsuit. I just checked the "IBM Servicepac for Warranty and Maintenance Options - Supported Products List" at their website and all of the i-series models (1410, 1411, 1412, 1450, 1451, 1452, 1472, and 1720) are listed as supported products for all of the following extended service packs: 2,3,or 4 year depot service 1,2,3, or 4 year 9x5 onsite service If you'd like to take a look at the document yourself, it can be downloaded from: http://www.as.ibm.com/asus/source/wamomxeu.pdf (note: requires acrobat reader to view). Or, you can get it from their fax-back service. Call 1-800-IBM-3395 and request document #11006. Best regards, KH From cph Sun Sep 5 01:36:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00453 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:36:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14697; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:49:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14591; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14572; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (192.100.81.126 -> netcom14.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:48:58 -0400 Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA06670; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: EZ Serve!!!! To: A Kumar cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001001bef6f3$28798150$b6c17180@k1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have slowly watched the situation with EZ Serv evolve from a first rate system which provided uncompromising service to this sorry state of affairs. If IBM is not trying to kill the Thinkpad, it is doing a damn fine job of it right now. My next laptop purchase will more than likely be a different brand. I don't like the keyboards on Dells, but I won't settle for second class service. And that goes for corporate purchases as well. Cheers, Jim On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, A Kumar wrote: > Okay I've had it with EZ Serve and IBM. I love my ThinkPad but not enough > to live with horrible service. Those of you who have been reading my > messages know that first they attempted charge me $1000(which seems like > what they charge everyone regardless of the problem) then they returned my > ThinkPad with cracks and pieces missing. Well IBM offered to send it back > to EZ Serve again to fix it, but I was completely unwilling to part whit my > machine for it to come back half fixed. So the case was escalated to a > customer service department that deals with these issues. They informed me > that there was nothing they could do and were sorry!!! > > I have decided that I must make sure IBM takes a serious look at where EZ > Serve has gone in recent years. To accomplish this I am setting up a web > page with my personal experiences and those of others who have dealt with EZ > Serve. I will also be writing a letter, with the first hand experiences > included, to Lou Gerstner(CEO) and others at IBM. > > So I am asking for people to submit their experiences to the list. > > Thanks > A Kumar > > From cph Sun Sep 5 01:36:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00459 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:36:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12264; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:45:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12136; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12122; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:45:24 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt85n.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.183]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17494; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401bef716$6198d620$b7a0aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Richard E. Robbins" , References: <000801bef6dc$5f3fb040$c9fbb7c6@tinker.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:45:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Richard, CNet just compared the 390E to the iSeries. It's rather general, but none-the-less interesting. http://www.computers.com/reviews/features/0,173,0-12-1863-1,00.html?st.co.1f d1.srg1.thinkpads Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard E. Robbins To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 8:49 AM Subject: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series | I am looking for purchase two notebook machines for active use in my home. | My wife uses them for typical SOHO applications and my children use them for | a wide variety of childrens software including many CD ROM applications as | well as limited web browsing. I would use these machines in a pinch if for | some reason there was a problem with my primary computer. We are all most | comfortable with the pointer stick style pointer. I have had good luck with | Toshibas but am attracted to the Thinkpad line (which we have had great | success with at my place of work). I am willing to spend up to $3000 or so | per machine. | | These machines will replace a pair of aging Toshiba Satellite Pro notebooks, | a 400 and 430 CDT, respectively. Because these machines are rarely taken | out of the house, a seven pound box is not a problem. A three spindle setup | would be nice. At a minimum the notebook must be able to be configured with | an onboard CD ROM. A port replicator with PCMCIA support is also a must as | we prefer to dock the machines to the replicator in order to attach to a | home network. I don't want my wife or children fussing with attaching | network cables to any device. The screen should support 1024x768. I am | aware that some screens support larger resolutions by some sort of panning | technique where the screen shifts as you move the mouse pointer along the | edge of the display. I am not interested in this approach at all. In other | words, if the display is set to 1024x768 I want the whole thing visible at | one time. Finally, I have assumed 64 meg of memory and at least a 4.0 gig | hard drive. | | At the end of the day I've narrowed things to the 1552 i Series, although | I'm not sure what sorts of port replicators are available and the 390 (one | of the models with the 14 inch screen). | | How would you differentiate between these machines for my intended use? Why | should I prefer one to the other? | | -- Rich | | | From cph Sun Sep 5 01:36:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00456 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:36:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16386; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16284; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16259; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (24.116.0.204 -> cb4.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:32:43 -0400 Received: from cb4.cableone.net - 24.116.0.204 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:31:45 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-176.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.176]) by cb4.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bef725$5e7921c0$6204fea9@defiant> From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "steve yarberry" , "Steve Castine" , "Shawn Gerber" , "Ron hansche" , "Robert Davis" , "Paul Crawford" , "Melinda McDaniel" , "Melanie Mitchell" , "mark daines" , "karen johnson" , "Joseph Johnson" , "Jess duet" , "f-body classic" , "Billy" , "Dallas, Texas" , "Dave Madero" , "Dawn L. Woods" , "clay greenwood" , "angie pruitt" Subject: new e-mail addy Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:32:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,syl44@aol.com,sccastin@hotmail.com,jgerber@cableone.net,tyleroftex@aol.com,rdavis1353@aol.com,WPC4327@prodigy.net,nascar3go3@aol.com,mel234@aol.com,mtdaines@cwix.com,kjammer@txk.net,riverrat98@prodigy.net,jessduett@aol.com,f-body-classic@bb-elec.com,krenelka@txk.net,uss@flash.net,d_madero@yahoo.com,woods71854@earthlink.net,greenwood@mciworld.com,apruitt199@aol.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-176.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.176] List-Unsubscribe: as of today my e-mail account has been changed to that address below please use the new address as the old one has been disconnected cmcdaniel@cableone.net Charles & Melinda McDaniel take off the nospam_ to e-mail me: nospam_cmcdaniel@cableone.net I will give up my weapons when everybody in the world is a law abiding citizen. For more info on Quake and Quakeworld http://www.planetquake.com or http://www.quakeworld.net From cph Sun Sep 5 01:46:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00658 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:46:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02799; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:44:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02694; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02681; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:44:41 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.50.32]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id WAA20779; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D203D1.A5DBD876@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:46:57 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A few questions if you don't mind. ;-) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Daniel, > 1. To "fully discharge" a battery, does that mean simply to run it down > until it goes into suspend mode and you can't press the "fn" key to get > things back again? (incidentally I have a 600e) > Yes, at least that's what it means for notebook computers. The battery isn't completely flat - if it was it would be damaged - but it doesn't have enough energy to run the computer. That's "fully discharged." > 2. Does adding more ram (I've added another 64MB to the original 64MB) suck > up more battery power? Yes. RAM requires electricity to work. Since the only source of this is the battery, more RAM=more battery power consumption. You may actually see an increase in battery life because more RAM=less disk access, and disk access uses more power than RAM. So the compensation may be enough to increase battery life. > > 3. If you don't use a spare battery for awhile, can it lose its charge? > And how long before it *does* lose its charge? Yes. All batteries that are charged will slowly discharge by themselves. This begins immediately after you take it off the charger or out of the notebook. The rate depends on the type of battery as well as the environmental conditions. > > 4. Can batteries lose their charge length? Ummm, let me make that clearer. > I mean, if a battery is supposed to last about 3 hours (like the 600e), can > it somehow "lose" that and eventually only last say, 2 hours no matter how > much recharging is done? Yes. All batteries "wear out" eventually. Lithium-ion batteries (the type in your 600e) slowly lose capacity as soon as they are produced in the factory. This is unavoidable because of the way the battery is constructed. However, proper maintenance can slow this down, and it should be a long time before it becomes obvious that your battery has lost a lot of capacity. This is one reason why the battery is only warrantied for one year unlike the rest of the laptop which has a 3 year warranty. If it did carry a 3 year warranty, many owners would send for replacement batteries after 2.5 years because of significant loss of capacity. > > 5. How safe is it (I've never been sure on this point) to charge a battery > when it's not run down completely? > Lithium-ion batteries can be recharged even when they are not fully run down. > 6. And finally ... how loud is the fan supposed to be? Are you supposed to > be able to hear it in a quiet room? :) Fan noise varies with fan design. If the machine has no fan - my 560X does not have one I think - the noise may come from the hard disk spinning. Late at night the noise can be quite annoying. There's not much you can do, except maybe set aside lots of RAM - 32 or 64MB - as a RAM disk for Windows to use as temporary storage. Benjamin From cph Sun Sep 5 02:19:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00879 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:19:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03782; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03686; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03672; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.77 -> c004-h006.c004.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:17:45 -0400 Received: (cpmta 5613 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 23:17:43 -0700 Received: from dnai-216-15-121-53.cust.dnai.com (HELO THINKPAD600) (216.15.121.53) by smtp.detayls.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 23:17:43 -0700 X-Sent: 5 Sep 1999 06:17:43 GMT Message-ID: <006901bef766$78de9310$35790fd8@THINKPAD600> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , References: Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:18:28 -0700 Organization: Detayls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Easy. Win2K. Boot from the CD and create a single 10gb partition. Typed on a TP 600 running Win2K with a single 6gb partition. Sweet as honey! David -- David W. Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: Waldemar Kowalski To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: RE: 10 gig partitioning > Sorry - didn't specify OS - currently running Win98SE, although I'm severly > tempted by Linux. Probably will go with Win2K, though, because of > compatibility demands at work (employer-provided machine). > > Reprise - have 10gig drive, would prefer to use as one partition. (on a new > TP600E PII400/10g/DVD - nice machine, replacing a TP600 PII/233...) > > waldemar kowalski > > From cph Sun Sep 5 13:48:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13371 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:48:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08087; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:39:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07971; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07957; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:39:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-259.gate.net [199.227.131.68]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA74238; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2AAC5.4F3DAF1A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:39:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Chalk CC: Keith Wong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay - pirate software References: <3.0.1.32.19990902173412.01d5d5a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <4.2.0.58.19990902211619.009685e0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard... as in the early days of VCR's, when a tape cost $25 each, and a movie was $185 to purchase, everyone made copies.. from various sources... (not sure WHY, because most movies are/were not worth the cost of the tape and once viewed, who would waste time on a second viewing).. once the price to buy and legally own the movie (or whatever) came to reasonable levels, the economic incentive for stealing it evaporates.. amnd more people own it.. (won't go into the greed factor here) IMO in the case of software (office 2000, et al) linux and redhat, et al, have taken what i consider the proper approach.. i may be wrong, but a fair price for a good product does not to make the owner a trillionaire.. Richard Chalk wrote: > so it's OK to steal software, but not money. > > Interesting point of view... > > Richard > > At 11:52 AM 9/2/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > >--I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the > >best for > >corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of > >those $25 > >copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or > >even > >posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same > >domain > >name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about > >it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer > >people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've > >always > >been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software, > >but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong. > > > > --keith Wong > > **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 5 13:48:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13375 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:48:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08872; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:46:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08692; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08648; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (194.158.96.53 -> front3.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-175-161.velizy.club-internet.fr [195.36.175.161]) by front3.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id TAA20373 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:46:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002401bef7c6$977a1be0$a1af24c3@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: Infrared IR connection to Ericsson I888 mobile Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:46:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BEF7D7.596875C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BEF7D7.596875C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anybody experianced IR connection to the Net via Ericson mobile IR = modem integrated in the phone. Seems the transfer rate is limited by mobile modem speed. I was told = about 9600 bods. Any comments will be appreciated. Christophe ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BEF7D7.596875C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anybody experianced IR connection to the Net via = Ericson=20 mobile IR modem integrated in the phone.
Seems the transfer rate is limited by mobile modem = speed. I=20 was told about 9600 bods.
Any comments will be appreciated.
 
Christophe
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BEF7D7.596875C0-- From cph Sun Sep 5 13:51:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13390 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:51:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08616; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08541; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08527; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from woody.wcnet.org (205.133.171.1 -> woody.wcnet.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:45:34 -0400 Received: from Dave (zawodny.norden1.com [192.153.35.201]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA29853 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> X-Sender: dzawodny@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:43:52 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A few questions if you don't mind. ;-) In-Reply-To: References: <7pg5mp$glv$2@seneca.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:23 PMSunday09/05/1999, Daniel wrote: > Hallo! Hi! > Actually, just on the topic of batteries, I wanted to ask some questions >which are probably basic, but I just wanted a bit of confirmation. > >1. To "fully discharge" a battery, does that mean simply to run it down >until it goes into suspend mode and you can't press the "fn" key to get >things back again? (incidentally I have a 600e) I pass on this one. I usually run them until I get that annoying low battery alarm. >2. Does adding more ram (I've added another 64MB to the original 64MB) suck >up more battery power? Some. You probably won't notice it though. >3. If you don't use a spare battery for awhile, can it lose its charge? Yup! >And how long before it *does* lose its charge? Varies. Nickel cadmium reportedly loses 1% per day, others more. >4. Can batteries lose their charge length? Ummm, let me make that clearer. >I mean, if a battery is supposed to last about 3 hours (like the 600e), can >it somehow "lose" that and eventually only last say, 2 hours no matter how >much recharging is done? As batteries age, the capacity falls. >5. How safe is it (I've never been sure on this point) to charge a battery >when it's not run down completely? Safe? Very. Prudent? You be the judge. >6. And finally ... how loud is the fan supposed to be? Are you supposed to >be able to hear it in a quiet room? :) How quiet is a quiet room? A fan is supposed to be as loud as it is. YMMV:-) >Thanks in advance, and thanks to all those who suggested ideas to help me >out with my internal modem problems. I have it up and running now! :) > >Daniel Regards, Z Please use for email. It follows me wherever I go! Remember: When cryptography is outlawed, Bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cvpgherf bs pelcgf... From cph Sun Sep 5 15:19:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13713 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:19:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12870; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12472; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12444; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:14:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 8904 invoked by uid 66); 5 Sep 1999 19:17:08 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Sep 5 19:17:08 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 3415F6013; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:58:45 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning Date: 5 Sep 1999 17:58:45 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7qub0l$16p$2@seneca.muc.de> References: <199909041200.HAA15207@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 936554325 1241 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 1999 17:58:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 17:58:45 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: "Allan Ballard" "Harald Milz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" wrote: > This is a good time to plug OS/2 -- which can handle the drive no > problema. Yeah - because OS/2's future is so bright. -- ADA, n.: Something you need only know the name of to be an Expert in Computing. Useful in sentences like, "We had better develop an ADA awareness." From cph Sun Sep 5 15:32:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13753 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:32:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12839; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12470; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12443; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:14:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 8896 invoked by uid 66); 5 Sep 1999 19:17:07 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Sep 5 19:17:07 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id E044F6013; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:00:27 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:00:27 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7qub3r$16p$3@seneca.muc.de> References: Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 936554427 1241 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 1999 18:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:00:27 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Waldemar Kowalski wrote: > Sorry - didn't specify OS - currently running Win98SE, although I'm severly > tempted by Linux. Probably will go with Win2K, though, because of > compatibility demands at work (employer-provided machine). VMware is your friend :-) If you're willing to experiment a bit, LVM for Linux can be a solution to avoid hard partitioning altogether. But you can switch at a later date just fine. -- If Patrick Henry thought that taxation without representation was bad, he should see how bad it is with representation. From cph Sun Sep 5 15:33:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13775 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:33:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10966; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:37:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10860; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10847; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:36:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-259.gate.net [199.227.131.68]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA92606; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2B82E.37E96113@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:36:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pooh CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dead 560E (sorta).... References: <199909030252.VAA02314@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff.. EZ-Serve will fix it for a price, most likely more than it is currently worth (when working) Pooh wrote: > Ok....it figures, the 1 yr warranty is up on my 560E (40U) and it decides to > become unusable. > > Basically, from what I can tell, the connector for the DC card on the > mainboard is either loose or something is shorting. This poor thing has > been bent, beat, carried, and everything else under the sun.....it started > with the battery not being so tight in its slot anymore....and then, > depending on how the thinkpad was sitting, it thought it was charging when > there was really no A/C....now, after having taken it apart twice to try to > reseat the DC card, it's just pretty much dead. > > I've been looking on IBM's website, and I'm sure this is a faq, but.... > > where the HECK do I send this thing to be repaired? > > help! > > -Jeff > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." > Programmer/Analyst | -Prince > City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- > ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: > email: | | Sacred Soul Records > | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | > |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com > Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com > finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- > http://bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 5 15:38:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13791 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:38:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11421; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11334; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11312; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:40:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-259.gate.net [199.227.131.68]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA83122; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2B910.E208E685@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:40:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Got my PCMCIA CD-ROM from CompGeeks References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------97DDEA56C8B9FDDD110DE860" List-Unsubscribe: --------------97DDEA56C8B9FDDD110DE860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael... sounds like a good deal.. BTW: those "funny little 6" power cord on the AC side." were for the early 760 series AC adapters and, when you want one, are very nice to have..! :-) Michael Geary wrote: > My PCMCIA CD-ROM drive arrived today from CompGeeks, with UPS ground taking > two days just as promised. It came in a factory-sealed IBM box, with this > IBM label: > > 1969-RR1 Refurb PCMCIA CDROM > Equivalent to M/T 1969-010 > Sold "As-Is" No Warranty > Used and Tested > > So apparently the 90 day warranty is from CompGeeks themselves. > > In any case, the drive looks new and works perfectly. It's a bit loud in the > high speed mode, but the speed button quiets it way down (and slows it down > ) if that's a problem. > > There is apparently a stereo model of this drive with extra connectors; this > isn't that one. > > The NiCD battery pack came fully charged. The AC adapter came with a funny > little 6" power cord on the AC side. But any standard AC cord fits it. > > Seems like an honest deal and a good bargain. For anyone who missed the > original message, the drives are listed at: > > http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------97DDEA56C8B9FDDD110DE860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael...

sounds like a good deal..

BTW: those "funny
little 6" power cord on the AC side." were for the early 760 series AC adapters and, when you want one, are very nice to have..!  :-)

Michael Geary wrote:

My PCMCIA CD-ROM drive arrived today from CompGeeks, with UPS ground taking
two days just as promised. It came in a factory-sealed IBM box, with this
IBM label:

1969-RR1 Refurb PCMCIA CDROM
Equivalent to M/T 1969-010
Sold "As-Is" No Warranty
Used and Tested

So apparently the 90 day warranty is from CompGeeks themselves.

In any case, the drive looks new and works perfectly. It's a bit loud in the
high speed mode, but the speed button quiets it way down (and slows it down
<g>) if that's a problem.

There is apparently a stereo model of this drive with extra connectors; this
isn't that one.

The NiCD battery pack came fully charged. The AC adapter came with a funny
little 6" power cord on the AC side. But any standard AC cord fits it.

Seems like an honest deal and a good bargain. For anyone who missed the
original message, the drives are listed at:

http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969

-Mike

ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------97DDEA56C8B9FDDD110DE860-- From cph Sun Sep 5 16:17:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13939 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:17:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15354; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15205; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15192; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:43 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA03397; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:13:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ati-ga7-31.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.159) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003389; Sun Sep 5 15:13:39 1999 Message-ID: <001d01bef7db$4a7ae8a0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> From: "Allan Ballard" To: , Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Bright enough :). -----Original Message----- From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Re: 10 gig partitioning >"Allan Ballard" "Harald Milz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" wrote: >> This is a good time to plug OS/2 -- which can handle the drive no >> problema. > >Yeah - because OS/2's future is so bright. > >-- >ADA, n.: > Something you need only know the name of to be an Expert in >Computing. Useful in sentences like, "We had better develop an ADA >awareness." > From cph Sun Sep 5 16:42:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14020 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:42:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16342; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:36:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16226; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16213; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:36:05 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:22:51 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-152.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.152]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: <005701bef7de$421c3da0$6204fea9@defiant> From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: subscribe Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:35:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-152.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.152] List-Unsubscribe: subscribe cmcdaniel@cableone.net Charles & Melinda McDaniel take off the nospam_ to e-mail me: nospam_cmcdaniel@cableone.net I will give up my weapons when everybody in the world is a law abiding citizen. > >For more info on Quake and Quakeworld >http://www.planetquake.com >or http://www.quakeworld.net > From cph Sun Sep 5 17:22:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA14129 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:22:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17780; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17679; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17646; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:14:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-259.gate.net [199.227.131.68]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA336910; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2DD36.569A9EA2@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:14:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ Serve!!!! (a bad word is used, so the faint of heart, please do not rerad me) References: <001001bef6f3$28798150$b6c17180@k1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can suggest that you post this on my open forum... and, i might (might, because i'm currently arguing over the thinkpads.com address with ibm) put up a page.. and i KNOW that they will see it.. if you want help, i suggest that you escalate this another level.. all the way to lou gerstner, if needed.. IBM is the best for customer support, and to begin to loose (not lose) that is sad.. i'll let all y'all you know of my experience with ez serve this coming week.. also FWIW i'm in the middle of changing my web site (so the thinkpads.com argument might become moot) and i WANT a bitching page (that is not the hippie use of the word "bitching" nor the femenine use, but rather the obvious).. i'll also want other brand complaints so you all know who is good, bad, ugly and great in the support area.. also FWIW (again) so many try to take advantage of the warranty, it is sad.. to repair obvious user damage.. so bad that, i think, the pendulum has swung wat too far in the wrong direction.. A Kumar wrote: > Okay I've had it with EZ Serve and IBM. I love my ThinkPad but not enough > to live with horrible service. Those of you who have been reading my > messages know that first they attempted charge me $1000(which seems like > what they charge everyone regardless of the problem) then they returned my > ThinkPad with cracks and pieces missing. Well IBM offered to send it back > to EZ Serve again to fix it, but I was completely unwilling to part whit my > machine for it to come back half fixed. So the case was escalated to a > customer service department that deals with these issues. They informed me > that there was nothing they could do and were sorry!!! > > I have decided that I must make sure IBM takes a serious look at where EZ > Serve has gone in recent years. To accomplish this I am setting up a web > page with my personal experiences and those of others who have dealt with EZ > Serve. I will also be writing a letter, with the first hand experiences > included, to Lou Gerstner(CEO) and others at IBM. > > So I am asking for people to submit their experiences to the list. > > Thanks > A Kumar -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 5 17:30:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA14159 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:28:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18574; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:26:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18477; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18456; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:26:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-259.gate.net [199.227.131.68]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA142524; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:26:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) have not yet tried the fitness test.. thanks for the small review... IRT drive model.. which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. David Ross wrote: > I finally got this to work by getting another copy - first version must have been corrupted. > As far as I can tell this is a very nice utility, that all TP owners should keep around. Ditto for > the (windows only) SMART drive software at the same site (though it is annoying that the latter installs itself in the startup > directory). > > Thanks to Juan-Carlos Lerman both for posting the original pointer and for encouragement > when I had problems. Now, if only I can find out why my TP560 2gig drive model is not in the IBM > list of current and discontinued drives... > > - David R. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 5 18:14:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA14288 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:14:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20630; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20485; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20471; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:12:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07338; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:12:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004001bef7eb$bd2757c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:12:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. > always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) Not so bad if you adjust the free-space nag down to 1% or so. > IRT drive model.. > which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. Hah! DTNA-22110, and if you can find that one in the IBM archives you are a better websearcher than I. (Any other 2640-10U owners care to compare?) Bill - you should make your struggle with IBM re www.thinkpads.com public, even if you think it will ultimately become moot. http://www.theregister.co.uk/ might be a suitable venue. - David From cph Sun Sep 5 19:27:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14512 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:27:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23111; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23006; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22987; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:36 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id TAA14449 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-goo-vty20.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-goo-vty20.as.wcom.net [216.192.137.20]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA14415 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:23:12 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11766.990905@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZ Serve!!!! In-reply-To: <001001bef6f3$28798150$b6c17180@k1> References: <001001bef6f3$28798150$b6c17180@k1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Saturday, September 04, 1999, 11:33:02 AM, Kumar wrote: AK> Okay I've had it with EZ Serve and IBM. I love my ThinkPad AK> but not enough to live with horrible service. ... AK> So I am asking for people to submit their experiences I know this is not what was requested, exactly. However, it is about the experiences I have had when there were problems with my ThinkPads under warranty. These can be divided into two categories. 1) Problems with an easily replaceable unit, like an AC adapter, floppy drive, or battery. 2) Problems that require more complex repair or opening of the unit. Category 1 is quite simple. They send me a replacement and I send them back the defective one. IBM pays for shipping both ways. No problems. Category 2 has been quite simple for me, too. I figured that since I was spending a few thousand dollars on a computer, I might as well spring an extra ~$150 to upgrade my warranty to on-site. So, I call and explain what is wrong. They agree that something is broken that is not an end-user swap. They schedule an appointment to have a service technician meet me where I will be with my ThinkPad at a particular time. The technician either shows up with the replacement parts or does some troubleshooting to determine what needs replacement and comes back with the right parts the next day. The unit is always in my posession. No chance of it being lost anywhere. No chance of someone dropping it and blaming me. I can point to things and demonstrate problems and explain what I have been experiencing to a live in-person human. I have not had a Category 2 event with my 770ED, nor with my 755CE since its warranty expired, but that's how it worked with my 755CE on those occasions where it was needed. (Actually, the spring holding the doors closed that cover the docking connector went *spoiiinggggg* and vanished somewhere in a client's office. However, since docking still works fine, I haven't bothered to call on it. I figure I'll add it to any service call that may become necessary in the future.) I am quite happy with the level of service I have received from IBM on my various ThinkPads, even though I had to be "persistent" on a couple of occasions to make everything turn out all right. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN9L7W28pw+2/9pUJEQKG8gCfTsVgWIc6jh89iGel+Pi/Fy3W7T8AmwUD BavIGSQYJJ3MB5/J2x6JP1zY =mdIV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun Sep 5 19:32:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14529 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:32:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19670; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:53:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19555; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19541; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (36.33.1.200 -> Hoover.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:53:22 -0400 Received: from dbarklaptop.stanford.edu (unverified [171.66.164.60]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:53:22 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990905145354.00813a30@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:53:54 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dennis L. Bark" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph Sun Sep 5 20:34:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14771 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:34:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25273; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:32:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25160; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25146; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:32:03 -0400 Received: from andres (pm456-12.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.70]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA53760 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:31:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990905203214.00a88270@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:32:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: publicity for thinkpads.com In-Reply-To: <004001bef7eb$bd2757c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Yes! Let me second that, Bill. Your struggle with IBM over the use of thinkpads.com is bizarre. Had IBM had sense they wouldn't be doing this. Unforunately, this is one of the vestages of the old IBM (the laywers) that shows no signs of going away. You ought to get some publicity for this. I'd think that the people at wired.com might give an ear to this, as well as the NY Times Circuits people, and perhaps the Ziff Davis people. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 12:12 PM 9/5/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. >> always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) > >Not so bad if you adjust the free-space nag down to 1% or so. > >> IRT drive model.. >> which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. > >Hah! DTNA-22110, and if you can find that one in the IBM archives you are a better websearcher >than I. (Any other 2640-10U owners care to compare?) > >Bill - you should make your struggle with IBM re www.thinkpads.com public, even if you think it will ultimately become moot. >http://www.theregister.co.uk/ might be a suitable venue. > >- David From cph Sun Sep 5 21:07:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14855 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:07:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26521; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:00:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26440; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26424; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:00:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 17507 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 1999 01:00:20 -0000 Received: from pppa5-tucson3-1r80.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.220.235) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 01:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <37D3132B.D3567E0D@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:04:43 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: publicity for thinkpads.com References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> <3.0.6.32.19990905203214.00a88270@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill: You shouldn't have to give up your thinkpads.com, but... (see below): STeve Andre' wrote: > > Yes! Let me second that, Bill. Your struggle with IBM over the use > of thinkpads.com is bizarre. Had IBM had sense they wouldn't be > doing this. Unforunately, this is one of the vestages of the old > IBM (the laywers) that shows no signs of going away. > > You ought to get some publicity for this. I'd think that the people > at wired.com might give an ear to this, as well as the NY Times I think it was the NY Times that several months ago (6?) had an article on the "valuation" of such domain names. My guess is that thinkpads.com is worth more than a few dollars or some equipment. It might be in the K$ or M$ considering that thinkpads.com has shown to *help them* to sell more products. > Circuits people, and perhaps the Ziff Davis people. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 12:12 PM 9/5/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: > >> the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. > >> always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) > > > >Not so bad if you adjust the free-space nag down to 1% or so. > > > >> IRT drive model.. > >> which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. > > > >Hah! DTNA-22110, and if you can find that one in the IBM archives you are > a better websearcher > >than I. (Any other 2640-10U owners care to compare?) > > > >Bill - you should make your struggle with IBM re www.thinkpads.com public, > even if you think it will ultimately become moot. > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/ might be a suitable venue. > > > >- David ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Sep 5 23:36:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15329 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:36:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16744; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:33:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16510; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16490; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:33:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-147.gate.net [207.36.212.147]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA50728; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:33:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37D335F7.6651EBC5@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:33:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> <004001bef7eb$bd2757c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dave.. i did make the problem puiblic on my web site by publishing their lawyer letter and my lawyers response.. they mulled that one over for about 10 to 12 weeks, then called.. asked me to remove the letter, nicely.. the lawyer did not like her signature on the web.. :-) (don't blame her)... so i did.. now we are at an e-mail level with the same demands and complaints and one more trivial.. they now object to my using the word "thinkpads" in some text.. thus: Whats this..?? Idle thinkpads arise! Join this effort! Find out HERE (its the link to seti@home) i think i'm going to ask why they don't work on something more important, like improving ez serve, than harassing me for trivial points that are likely to result in either a. i give up, or b. i don't.. :-) i may, after this e-mail silliness, repost the letter, my response AND the e-mail.. :-) thanks for the link, i'm going now to look at it... David Ross wrote: > > the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. > > always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) > > Not so bad if you adjust the free-space nag down to 1% or so. > > > IRT drive model.. > > which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. > > Hah! DTNA-22110, and if you can find that one in the IBM archives you are a better websearcher > than I. (Any other 2640-10U owners care to compare?) > > Bill - you should make your struggle with IBM re www.thinkpads.com public, even if you think it will ultimately become moot. > http://www.theregister.co.uk/ might be a suitable venue. > > - David -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 6 00:43:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA15635 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:43:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19865; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:41:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19764; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19751; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:41:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 3215 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 1999 04:41:30 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson1-5r79.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.88) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 04:41:30 -0000 Message-ID: <37D34701.AD1D749D@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:45:53 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, penzance@icanect.net Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? References: <37D03368.E3330A3B@netzero.net> <004001bef73b$9d33c760$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D2DFFC.92E9FA04@icanect.net> <004001bef7eb$bd2757c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37D335F7.6651EBC5@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill: You can always paraphrase their letters and email, without using images of their letterhead and/or signatures. What's next on the lawyer's agenda: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu? Take Judi to court for being the admin of such a list? Charge us royalties each time we type the list's address? Bill Morrow wrote: > > Dave.. > i did make the problem puiblic on my web site by publishing their lawyer letter and my lawyers response.. > they mulled that one over for about 10 to 12 weeks, then called.. > asked me to remove the letter, nicely.. the lawyer did not like her signature on the web.. :-) (don't blame her)... > so i did.. > > now we are at an e-mail level with the same demands and complaints and one more trivial.. > they now object to my using the word "thinkpads" in some text.. > thus: > Whats this..?? > Idle thinkpads arise! Join this effort! > Find out HERE > (its the link to seti@home) > > i think i'm going to ask why they don't work on something more important, like improving ez serve, than harassing me for trivial > points that are likely to result in either > a. i give up, or > b. i don't.. > :-) > > i may, after this e-mail silliness, repost the letter, my response AND the e-mail.. :-) > > thanks for the link, i'm going now to look at it... > > David Ross wrote: > > > > the SMART thing is too much of a sales tool.. > > > always wanting you to buy a new HDD.. :-) > > > > Not so bad if you adjust the free-space nag down to 1% or so. > > > > > IRT drive model.. > > > which drive model do you have..? DTNA 22160? (from memory).. > > > > Hah! DTNA-22110, and if you can find that one in the IBM archives you are a better websearcher > > than I. (Any other 2640-10U owners care to compare?) > > > > Bill - you should make your struggle with IBM re www.thinkpads.com public, even if you think it will ultimately become moot. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/ might be a suitable venue. > > > > - David > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Mon Sep 6 11:26:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA18263 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:26:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26887; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26707; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.execulink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26689; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.execulink.net (199.166.6.19 -> mail.execulink.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:39 -0400 Received: from ppp85.bc1.56k.execulink.com (ppp85.bc1.56k.execulink.com [209.239.24.85]) by amsterdam.execulink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17565 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:52:53 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <7pg5mp$glv$2@seneca.muc.de> <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> Lines: 56 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org>, you wrote: :At 01:23 PMSunday09/05/1999, Daniel wrote: : :As batteries age, the capacity falls. : :>5. How safe is it (I've never been sure on this point) to charge a battery :>when it's not run down completely? : :Safe? Very. Prudent? You be the judge. There may be different rules on this depending upon your type of battery. The NiMH battery for the 701 (not to be confused with the NiCad for the same computer) supposedly likes to be kept topped up. In fact, the info I got, (early in the game, but I don't remember the source) was that if you discharged the battery completely, it would lose about 2 minutes of its capacity. I tried that, and the fully-charged capacity indeed did show 2 minutes less. I've had the 701 for 4 years now and have not noticed a lot of diminution in the rated battery life, though I don't often run it to below 50%. It's current 100% rated life is 2:06. Recently, a second battery which had a pretty good rating (about 2:40 if I recall) suddenly stopped working. The Configuration Utility variously says "battery not installed" or "defective battery", and two of the four contacts on the battery are slightly discoloured (one is more green, the other is more bronze). I guess that it shorted or maybe the chip inside the battery itself fried. Is there any chance of reviving this battery? If not, is the dead battery worth anything? I believe that the heaviest electrical draw for a laptop is the screen, then the processor and then the hard drive. Upgrading >from 8 meg to 40 meg RAM didn't seem to have any effect on battery life! The 701 has a switch (Fn-F3) to turn off the screen and another (Fn-F6) to turn off the hard drive. However, Win95 is always turning the drive on again for its own purposes (I recall that OS/2 was better behaved in that regard, among others). And pressing any key will turn the screen on again, so you can't do a super-long touch-typing session on battery power. "Would have been nice." -- cheers Jonathan From cph Mon Sep 6 12:36:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18503 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:36:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00220; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:35:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29969; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29948; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d10.mx (205.188.157.42 -> imo-d10.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:59 -0400 Received: from Wmludlow99@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id sZRVBJhwp_ (4355); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d46b322.2505470f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:23 EDT Subject: Re: STIRRING THINGS UP AGAIN To: penzance@icanect.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 05.09.1999 1:42:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, penzance@icanect.net writes: > > all messages from "Carlos Puente" will be burned before reading > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or > i just > don't care.. :-) > Why are you trying to stir this up once again? Obviously you never have dealt with Carlos. You might have a different opinion of the entire situation if you had. W hy do you think that Carlos would be contacting you? By the way, little children should not play with fire. Even my grandkids know that much. WM. H. LUDLOW From cph Mon Sep 6 12:43:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18523 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:43:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00838; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00743; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00623; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:02 -0400 Received: from ms532914 (user-38lddkq.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.182.154]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06470 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011701bef89f$bee94640$a431fea9@ms532914> From: "Jean-Pierre Diebold" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: [TP770ED]: Battery Charging Problem Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01BEF865.12042740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01BEF865.12042740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Some of you have probably noticed that when a battery is totally = discharged and you start charging it in your laptop, the battery LED on = top of the thinkpad cover blinks a couple of times and then turns yellow = and starts charging. Well, recently when I do this the battery LED starts blinking and keeps = blinking sometimes for over an hour! before it starts charging. = Obviously, when I need a quick charge this becomes a real hassle! IBM sent me a new battery under warranty but the same thing happens! IBM has finally decided to go the EZSERV route..... I was wondering if any other 770 users have experienced this problem. Thank you ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01BEF865.12042740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,
 
Some of you have probably noticed that = when a=20 battery is totally discharged and you start charging it in your laptop, = the=20 battery LED on top of the thinkpad cover blinks a couple of times and = then turns=20 yellow and starts charging.
 
Well, recently when I do this the = battery LED=20 starts blinking and keeps blinking sometimes for over an hour!  = before it=20 starts charging.  Obviously, when I need a quick charge this = becomes a real=20 hassle!
 
IBM sent me a new battery under = warranty but the=20 same thing happens!
 
IBM has finally decided to go the = EZSERV=20 route.....
 
I was wondering if any other 770 users = have=20 experienced this problem.
 
Thank you
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0114_01BEF865.12042740-- From cph Mon Sep 6 12:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18538 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:45:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01303; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:43:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01045; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00676; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:24 -0400 Received: from ms532914 (user-38lddkq.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.182.154]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25762 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012401bef89f$cce4fc80$a431fea9@ms532914> From: "Jean-Pierre Diebold" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: [TP770ED]: Monitor flickering when running on battery power Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:41:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01BEF865.20077EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BEF865.20077EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of you have stated in the past that you had a problem with the = monitor sometimes flickering when running on battery power. =20 Actually, the monitor brightness fluctuates up and down as if the power = was going up and down. I am having this problem and was wondering if any of the users also = experiencing this problem have sent their units to IBM for repair. What = was the outcome? Thank you Jean-Pierre ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BEF865.20077EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some of you have stated in the past = that you had a=20 problem with the monitor sometimes flickering when running on battery=20 power. 
 
Actually, the monitor brightness = fluctuates up and=20 down as if the power was going up and down.
 
I am having this problem and was = wondering if any=20 of the users also experiencing this problem have sent their units to IBM = for=20 repair.  What was the outcome?
 
Thank you
 
Jean-Pierre
------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BEF865.20077EA0-- From cph Mon Sep 6 14:08:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18769 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:08:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04848; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:48:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03903; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.megsinet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03885; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.megsinet.net (216.214.150.11 -> mailcluster-b.corecomm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:47:52 -0400 Received: from lia (tnt13a-5.focal-chi.corecomm.net) by mail.megsinet.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FHN00H5YGBSPW@mail.megsinet.net> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:52:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:44:13 -0500 From: dennis pantazis Subject: TP 560 Batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <005d01bef88f$6f6ed9a0$05ced6d8@lia> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: My baby is sick and in need of a battery. I recall a thread that talked about tp560 batteries on sale for some surprisingly great prices. If someone would be so kind to email me a link or two I would greatly appreciate it. TIA dennis dennis@pantazis.org From cph Mon Sep 6 14:14:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18800 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:14:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05276; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:10:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05044; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05013; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:09:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-167.gate.net [199.227.20.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA145986; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37D40365.9ABBBC5D@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:09:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Monitor flickering when running on battery power References: <012401bef89f$cce4fc80$a431fea9@ms532914> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------52BFA295567E7BBED2B51CB9" List-Unsubscribe: --------------52BFA295567E7BBED2B51CB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JP.. IRT Battery charging.. it could be something as simple as dirty contacts, or as complex as the charging circuirtry.. IRT Monitor.. the inverter might be going.. it MIGHT be a lot of things but first check all the power stuff.. be sure the bios is up to date.. the fixpacks are applied, or that you have upgraded to win98SE.. then check the settings, be sure that you're using the correct video driver.. it SOUNDS like a software issue.. but if you are sending the machine to ez serve, then mention it so they test the video and display.. Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote: > Some of you have stated in the past that you had a problem with the > monitor sometimes flickering when running on battery power. Actually, > the monitor brightness fluctuates up and down as if the power was > going up and down. I am having this problem and was wondering if any > of the users also experiencing this problem have sent their units to > IBM for repair. What was the outcome? Thank you Jean-Pierre -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------52BFA295567E7BBED2B51CB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JP..
IRT Battery charging..
it could be something as simple as dirty contacts, or as complex as the charging circuirtry..

IRT Monitor..
the inverter might be going.. it MIGHT be a lot of things
but first check all the power stuff.. be sure the bios is up to date.. the fixpacks are applied, or that you have upgraded to win98SE..
then check the settings, be sure that you're using the correct video driver..
it SOUNDS like a software issue..
but if you are sending the machine to ez serve, then mention it so they test the video and display..
 

Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote:

Some of you have stated in the past that you had a problem with the monitor sometimes flickering when running on battery power. Actually, the monitor brightness fluctuates up and down as if the power was going up and down. I am having this problem and was wondering if any of the users also experiencing this problem have sent their units to IBM for repair.  What was the outcome? Thank you Jean-Pierre

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
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any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------52BFA295567E7BBED2B51CB9-- From cph Mon Sep 6 14:36:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18865 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06306; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:34:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06178; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06165; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:34:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-167.gate.net [199.227.20.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA50860; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37D4092E.50012EFB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:34:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis pantazis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 560 Batteries References: <005d01bef88f$6f6ed9a0$05ced6d8@lia> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sale is over, and it was a rebate sale anyway.. i got several of each, and have yet to see a dime back.. dennis pantazis wrote: > My baby is sick and in need of a battery. I recall a thread that talked > about tp560 batteries on sale for some surprisingly great prices. If > someone would be so kind to email me a link or two I would greatly > appreciate it. > > TIA > > dennis > > dennis@pantazis.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 6 14:53:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18933 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:53:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07090; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06973; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06960; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net (38.9.30.2 -> relay6.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:52 -0400 Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay6.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 11O3rj-0005aX-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:43 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:52:10 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB061FD8C5@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Bill Morrow '" , "'Jean-Pierre Diebold '" Cc: "'Thinkpad Mailing List '" Subject: RE: [TP770ED]: Monitor flickering when running on battery power Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:52:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I've got a 770ED and I, too, noticed this flickering problem (on the unit's LCD, not on an external monitor). It went away when I went into the Thinkpad Configuration program (under Windows) and clicked on the LCD icon. I then selected "Brightness (battery operation}" as "high" and adjusted the brightness manually via the slider control under the LCD. End of Problem. YMMV. This sure looks more like a software problem than a problem with the LCD! Regards, Neil TP 770ED TP 600 TP 701C -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Jean-Pierre Diebold Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Sent: 9/6/99 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Monitor flickering when running on battery power JP.. IRT Battery charging.. it could be something as simple as dirty contacts, or as complex as the charging circuirtry.. IRT Monitor.. the inverter might be going.. it MIGHT be a lot of things but first check all the power stuff.. be sure the bios is up to date.. the fixpacks are applied, or that you have upgraded to win98SE.. then check the settings, be sure that you're using the correct video driver.. it SOUNDS like a software issue.. but if you are sending the machine to ez serve, then mention it so they test the video and display.. Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote: Some of you have stated in the past that you had a problem with the monitor sometimes flickering when running on battery power. Actually, the monitor brightness fluctuates up and down as if the power was going up and down. I am having this problem and was wondering if any of the users also experiencing this problem have sent their units to IBM for repair. What was the outcome? Thank you Jean-Pierre -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www . roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 6 17:41:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19537 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:41:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13273; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13073; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13060; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.34 -> imo-d02.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:26 -0400 Received: from RBilliex@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oAGR0Wr0E_ (3968) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:39:23 EDT Subject: 13.0" HPA display needed To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: My thinkpad 600 has a cracked 13.0" HPA LCD. i can buy one new, but this laptop isn't worth that expense. I'm hoping someone has a 600 that uses this display and has a bad systemboard. The 13.3" TFT won't work, this is a kind of oddball one. The brand of LCD is Hitachi. Thanks. From cph Mon Sep 6 18:32:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19739 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:32:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15161; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15053; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15038; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-48.gate.net [207.36.212.48]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA71578; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:31:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37D44087.72CD8436@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:30:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RBilliex@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 13.0" HPA display needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the entier top assembly should fit, though i can't guaranty that it will.. a trip to the hardware manuals on the IBM site might help in this regard.. i have a dead 600, with the TFT display, but i'm intending to restore it, not break it up for parts.. at least not quite yet.. :-) RBilliex@aol.com wrote: > My thinkpad 600 has a cracked 13.0" HPA LCD. i can buy one new, but this > laptop isn't worth that expense. I'm hoping someone has a 600 that uses this > display and has a bad systemboard. The 13.3" TFT won't work, this is a kind > of oddball one. The brand of LCD is Hitachi. > Thanks. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net e-mail from offensive senders is deleted before reading, and any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 7 08:12:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA22436 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:12:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28761; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28631; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontiernet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28596; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontiernet.net (209.130.129.194 -> node9.frontiernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:13 -0400 Received: from Eric (as5300-7-54.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [209.130.186.57]) by frontiernet.net (8.8.8a/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA284028 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:09 -0400 From: "Eric D. Gottlieb" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: TP 365 Battery cheap! Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I notice that people are posting deals, so I figured I should post one that I found yesterday. OfficeMax (at least my local one) has the ThinkPad 365 series batteries on clearance for $30!! (they are normally $119 there). They are the BTI battery, brand new with a one-year warranty. If anyone can't find them at their local OfficeMax, e-mail me directly and I will send you my local store's phone number... maybe you can get one from them that way. I didn't check their web page... they may have them that cheap right on the web (http://www.officemax.com). Just figured I would pass on the news for any other TP 365 owners... Eric egottlieb@acm.org PS - as usual, I am not affilliated with OfficeMax, IBM, BTI, or anyone that has anything to do with any of these companies. I am just trying to help out anyone who can use this. From cph Tue Sep 7 09:20:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22633 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:20:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03176; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03043; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03009; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA22253; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: "Dennis L. 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Bark wrote: > Unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Bruce Komar From cph Tue Sep 7 10:56:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA23233 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:56:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11648; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11511; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11466; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:10 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id KAA01399 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from Atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA01363 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:53:29 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3412.990907@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? In-reply-To: <37D335F7.6651EBC5@icanect.net> References: <37D335F7.6651EBC5@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, September 05, 1999, 10:33:11 PM, Bill wrote: BM> asked me to remove the letter, nicely.. the lawyer BM> did not like her signature on the web.. :-) (don't BM> blame her)... so i did.. I would probably have been inclined to "white-out" her signature and leave the rest of the letter on the site, if that was her only objection. Of course, since the author of a letter retains copyright, they can insist that Bill not publish it that way. Of course, the other suggestion about summarizing or paraphrasing the letter could work. Bill could even quote a bit of it. It has long been my understanding that if I receive a letter, I cannot publish it without permission of the author. However, I *am* free to show the letter to anyone I like. Perhaps a scheme could be worked out in which only one web browser was allowed to access the letter "at a time".... Ron. P.S. In this "lawyerly" Email, I wonder whether they are using PGP signatures. :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN9Um1G8pw+2/9pUJEQKtkgCeI3JhsmpJlMRGmiEq/EUvXrZaIhEAoMc1 fSZlc46Dy8R1jM9LICCVYMeE =gyAH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Tue Sep 7 12:21:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23755 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:21:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18162; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17922; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17902; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:19:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 8648 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1999 16:19:32 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson2-3r78.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.223.80) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 16:19:32 -0000 Message-ID: <37D53BA9.A0971B38@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:22:01 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Fwd: IBM's "letter" fitness test :-) [it was "drive"] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IBM's "letter" fitness test :-) [it was "drive"] Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:30:19 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: "Ronald W. Heiby" ,penzance@icanect.net References: <37D335F7.6651EBC5@icanect.net> <3412.990907@falkor.chi.il.us> Notice the change in the "subject" field to reflect the posting! "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sunday, September 05, 1999, 10:33:11 PM, Bill wrote: > > BM> asked me to remove the letter, nicely.. the lawyer > BM> did not like her signature on the web.. :-) (don't > BM> blame her)... so i did.. > > I would probably have been inclined to "white-out" her signature and > leave the rest of the letter on the site, if that was her only > objection. Of course, since the author of a letter retains copyright, > they can insist that Bill not publish it that way. > > Of course, the other suggestion about summarizing or paraphrasing the > letter could work. Bill could even quote a bit of it. I don't think it was ever stipulated but left to the circumstances, case, relevance, etc, but something like 10% or one paragraph of so many (I don't remember the guideline number) words used to be the "customary standard" under the "fair use of copyrighted materials" for reviews of articles, books, etc. It probably applies to letters but, luckily or unluckily :-) I'm not a lawyer! [Disclaimer: Above opinions are given ASIS, I will not accept any personal responsibility for it... :-) ; Conflict of Interest Disclosure: I've spent a few $$$ in excellent hardware >from thinkpads.com (OOPS, this can be construed as advertising...)] > It has long been my understanding that if I receive a letter, I cannot > publish it without permission of the author. However, I *am* free to > show the letter to anyone I like. Perhaps a scheme could be worked out > in which only one web browser was allowed to access the letter "at a > time".... > > Ron. > > P.S. In this "lawyerly" Email, I wonder whether they are using PGP > signatures. :-) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN9Um1G8pw+2/9pUJEQKtkgCeI3JhsmpJlMRGmiEq/EUvXrZaIhEAoMc1 > fSZlc46Dy8R1jM9LICCVYMeE > =gyAH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Sep 7 13:59:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24506 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:59:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25881; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:57:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25670; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25649; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:57:30 -0400 Received: from tp701 (96-185.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.185]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA24141 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:58:16 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199909071758.UAA24141@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:57:17 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908311908.MAA15423@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: TP701 - 32MB memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 at 12:07 PM you, "Paul Khoury" , said: >Does anyone know a good place to get the 32MB upgrade for the 701? I've >been looking around the other night, and the price seems to have went up. Have you been able to find anything? I checked with www.thechipmerchant.com (which used to have it for about $60), but they said they are no longer carrying this item. www.coastmemory.com appears to sell it at $90 (gee, that's expensive for a 32MB module!). Thanks, Dominique From cph Tue Sep 7 14:59:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24894 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:59:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00884; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:55:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00439; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00408; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:55:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 8221 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1999 18:55:34 -0000 Received: from pppa14-tucson20-5r692.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.205.60) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 18:55:34 -0000 Message-ID: <37D5608D.D072B836@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:59:25 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM AntiVirus update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Update AV30EI to IBMAV (IBM AntiVirus) has been posted on Sep 3, 1999, and can be downloaded for free at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ibm/index.html JC = ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Sep 7 17:50:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26241 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:50:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14942; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14759; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14732; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:48:05 -0400 Received: from ehh [208.198.8.100] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-5.04) id A8A8CF00B0; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:50:32 PDT From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: "TP List" Subject: Memory for TP600 = 600E ?? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990904212721.00cc5b50@rcf.usc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Having fun with my 600E (2645-5BU) replacing a 600 (2645-41U). The IBM compatibility matrix shows the same part number for memory, but my simms (obtained from other vendors) which worked perfectly in the 600 don't work in the 600E. Any suggestions, preferably other than buying new simms? And if it's new simms I need, any suggested vendors? Price matters, of course. Thanks! waldemar kowalski From cph Tue Sep 7 20:08:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27063 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:08:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22937; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:06:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22786; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22770; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:06:09 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07737; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:05:44 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Dominique Pivard" Cc: Subject: Re: TP701 - 32MB memory? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01bef98e$f66d8f00$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Via www.shopper.com $64 32MB Sodimm Thinkpad 701 Series - SOUTHLAND MICRO SYSTEMS $69 32MB Module for IBM Thinkpad 701C - KINGSTON TECHNOLOGY MEMORY PRODUC ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Dominique Pivard To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: Re: TP701 - 32MB memory? >On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 at 12:07 PM you, "Paul Khoury" , >said: > >>Does anyone know a good place to get the 32MB upgrade for the 701? I've >>been looking around the other night, and the price seems to have went up. > >Have you been able to find anything? I checked with >www.thechipmerchant.com (which used to have it for about $60), but they >said they are no longer carrying this item. > >www.coastmemory.com appears to sell it at $90 (gee, that's expensive for a >32MB module!). > >Thanks, Dominique > From cph Tue Sep 7 23:53:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28153 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:53:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07881; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07746; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.nothingbutnet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07678; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.nothingbutnet.net (206.13.41.251) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:50:23 -0400 Received: from SM (pm6-157.nothingbutnet.net [206.13.41.157]) by ns1.nothingbutnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-ns1) with SMTP id UAA28143 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D5DD9F.2204@vdn.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:53:03 -0700 From: smonrad Reply-To: smonrad@vdn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: THINKPAD & WINFAX PRO / EZ SERVE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have experience with Winfax Pro on IBM internal modems? It disabled the modem on my Aptiva and apparently the same to my 2 day old 770Z. IBM phone support decided it is a hardware problem on the latter and now EZ Serve has it. Disappointed to hear about the problems with EZ Serve. My 755C is obsolete but perfect because EZ Serve replaced board, CPU, keyboard, screen (twice) and both drives and cases over 3 year warranty (construction site duty). From cph Wed Sep 8 00:22:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28283 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:22:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09393; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:21:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09315; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09300; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:21:18 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebt2.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.47.162]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA16818; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: , Subject: RE: THINKPAD & WINFAX PRO / EZ SERVE Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37D5DD9F.2204@vdn.com> List-Unsubscribe: In last five years or so I have not had a problem with WinFax Pro on ThinkPads. Currently using a TP770 and TP770Z. Daily. Talkworks works too, but not any of the voice functions. -----Original Message----- From: smonrad [mailto:smonrad@vdn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 11:53 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: THINKPAD & WINFAX PRO / EZ SERVE Anyone have experience with Winfax Pro on IBM internal modems? It disabled the modem on my Aptiva and apparently the same to my 2 day old 770Z. IBM phone support decided it is a hardware problem on the latter and now EZ Serve has it. Disappointed to hear about the problems with EZ Serve. My 755C is obsolete but perfect because EZ Serve replaced board, CPU, keyboard, screen (twice) and both drives and cases over 3 year warranty (construction site duty). From cph Wed Sep 8 09:53:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30459 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:52:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17755; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:50:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17635; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.office.netlinq.nl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17620; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.office.netlinq.nl (195.108.57.218 -> mx.office.netlinq.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:50:30 -0400 Received: from netlinq.nl ([192.168.0.68]) by gateway.office.netlinq.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02605 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:49:22 +0200 Message-ID: <37D669E2.E2367D5C@netlinq.nl> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:51:30 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Salon article on Linux on laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Salon runs an article on running Linux on laptops. It mentions quite a bit of IBM. It also includes a link to a petition asking IBM to support MWave in Linux; some of you may wish to add your name to this. URL: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/09/07/linux_laptops/index.html Jeroen From cph Wed Sep 8 11:52:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31381 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:52:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15845; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15745; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15721; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:27 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09194; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37D6630B.92D7FD0A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:22:19 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waldemar Kowalski CC: TP List Subject: Re: Memory for TP600 = 600E ?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Waldemar Kowalski wrote: > Having fun with my 600E (2645-5BU) replacing a 600 (2645-41U). The IBM > compatibility matrix shows the same part number for memory, but my simms > (obtained from other vendors) which worked perfectly in the 600 don't work > in the 600E. Any suggestions, preferably other than buying new simms? And if > it's new simms I need, any suggested vendors? Price matters, of course. The part numbers in the matrix match because IBM changed the DIMM part numbers for the 600 when the 600E came out. That is, they don't seem to list the original 64MB DIMM for the 600, but instead a new one that works with both. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 8 12:53:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31852 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:53:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02014; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01816; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01781; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-457.gate.net [199.227.173.203]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA404984; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37D693AE.6A9DA709@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:49:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington CC: Waldemar Kowalski , TP List Subject: Re: Memory for TP600 = 600E ?? References: <37D6630B.92D7FD0A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it all depends upon what brand memory you have in the older TP-600.. if it is a major manufacturer, then they MIGHT swap it out, if not, then you are SOL.. :-) if it is GoldenRam or Apricorn they would surely swap it, IBM, not likely, Kingston, not sure.. crucial ? well, also not sure.. i need to do more research on this, but these should work.. AND, FWIW, Apricorn has the same part for the entire 600 line.. so, as i said before, get good memory, not unbranded stuff.. :-) I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Waldemar Kowalski wrote: > > > Having fun with my 600E (2645-5BU) replacing a 600 (2645-41U). The IBM > > compatibility matrix shows the same part number for memory, but my simms > > (obtained from other vendors) which worked perfectly in the 600 don't work > > in the 600E. Any suggestions, preferably other than buying new simms? And if > > it's new simms I need, any suggested vendors? Price matters, of course. > > The part numbers in the matrix match because IBM changed the DIMM part numbers > for the 600 when the 600E came out. That is, they don't seem to list the > original 64MB DIMM for the 600, but instead a new one that works with both. > > --Lee Hetherington -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net i will use the delete key on Carlos and any other flamers.. and if any don't like what i have to say, then use the delete key on me.. any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Sep 8 16:36:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01488 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17474; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17128; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17089; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:27:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 9895 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 20:27:06 -0000 Received: from pppa57-tucson18-2r692.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.206.63) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 20:27:06 -0000 Message-ID: <37D6C5E8.B3BA7ABC@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:24:08 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SoftDVD and video upgrades, an ongoing saga. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This story is about recent problems related to SoftDVD in TP770, TP770ED, and perhaps other models. It includes a workaround. During the last month there has been an exponential increase of postings to the IBM Online Support Forum concerning problems in running SoftDVD after *upgrading* all the video drivers. The known number of affected TP770 users now seems to be increasing. Perhaps about a dozen users have been complaining, in some degree, to that forum. For a feeling about the whole story and how "ugly" it is becoming, search the IBM forum for "SoftDVD". Here follow some excerpts from the most recent week's postings to IBM's forum. As the forum is "public for TPers" I consider these excerpts are covered by the "fair use provisions of copyrighted materials": (a) the "JC-PROVEN" workaround to the video drivers problem, and (b) a sample of the increasingly "stronger" messages sent to IBM. Do they begin to read like the complains about EasyServ? I think so, because they are triggered by the official responses we have been getting on that forum. Mostly they read as if it would be "our fault" for not configuring and un-installing and re-installing the drivers and other software in a "proven correct sequence"... Incidentally, a "driver patch" we've been recently sent didn't work for me (under Win95), but it worked for somebody else (under Win98). I also have some hints about DVDExpress issues which I'll prefer to discuss by private e-mail. I'm thinking in starting a web page about problems such as lack of quality assurance and control in the design and support of TP software (including drivers and patches). Any comments? JC jclerm@aztec.asu.edu ================= excerpts ========================= Posted to IBM's TP Forum ------------------------ Until IBM recognizes that the problems we experience with the "updates" are more likely to be due to faulty code rather than to the installation order or disorder, I found the following workaround for my TP770 (on Win95): 1. Un-install the Video Features driver and reinstall the one recovered from the diskette factory. 2. Similar procedure for the Video Capture drivers. 3. Un-install the MPEG driver and re-install the one that came with the DVD drive, followed by re-installation of the Region Code. 4. I didn't un-install the updated audio driver. 5. I didn't un-install SoftDVD 1.14. In summary, the only updated pieces of software I have currently installed are the Audio Features and SoftDVD 1.14. Now the DVDs are playing OK again, on my TP770 running Win95. JC [thus the above is "JC-PROVEN"] jclerm@aztec.asu.edu jclerman@netzero.net ------------------------------------------------------ John [at IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter]: Excuse me John, but please don't pretend you don't know about the HUGE problems people have with DVD and Thinkpad. I never use my Thinkpad for DVD playback anymore, because the performance/stability is so shaky. And its not because I'm unable to configure the software properly, I have tried everything (and I am a very experienced "super" user so its not because of any kind of ignorance.) My DVD titles are now just gathering dust on my shelf. I am really looking forward to what win2000 can do we this... but most of all I would like to see DVD support under linux. Here is a system which runs stable, and should be perfect for DVD-playback. Thomas Tolborg ------------------------------------------------------ Thomas: I never claimed that there are no problems with playing DVD movies in various ThinkPad models. I don't believe I have insulted anyone's intelligence in trying to find a solution to the problems. If I have, then I apologize. Thank you for using the IBM ThinkPad Forums! John Hartnett IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter ------------------------------------------------------ John: The machine is now working to my satisfaction. Here is how I resolved the problem: Thanks to a suggestion from Juan-Carlos Lerman, I used the diskette factory in the 770ED to create diskettes with the display and capture drivers. I then reinstalled from the 770 recovery CD-ROM to get back to the original Windows 95 installation. I installed the drivers from the two diskettes (display and capture), then installed SoftDVD 1.14, then the MPEG III drivers, then the region diskette. Everything works. Thanks for your suggestions. There must be some problem in the newest display and/or capture drivers on the 9548-32U. Ron ====================================================== ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 8 19:42:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03044 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:42:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29889; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:41:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29743; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29704; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:40:56 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01548 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003c01befa53$81640d40$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Re: IBM's "letter" fitness test Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:40:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Caveat, I'm not a lawyer, but. . . . I used to be an editor and read a good deal about copyright ownership, etc. I seem to remember that personal letters remained the property of the sender, but business letters became the property of the receiver. The former would seem to be contradicted by the recent publication by a former lover of J.D. Sallinger's of his personal letters, against his wishes. In any case, I took it to be a reasonable courtesy not to publish that lawyer's signature against her wishes, the rest of the letter, I don't know. Anyhoo, of at least academic interest to several listers it would seem. Best -- Jeff From cph Wed Sep 8 19:44:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03049 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:44:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00256; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:43:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00118; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29985; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.40 -> mail7.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:42:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 28903 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 23:42:44 -0000 Received: from pppa10-resaletucson2-3r1047.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.94.117) by mail7.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 23:42:44 -0000 Message-ID: <37D6F4EC.6D5C5B58@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:44:44 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Baker , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM AntiVirus update and Live Wire Cards References: <37D5608D.D072B836@netzero.net> <003101befa52$90c45200$0200a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeffrey Baker wrote: > > Thanks for posting the useful reminder. I'll get dependent on it though. . Do you mean to write viruses that beat IBMAV? :-) I just saw a new batch of Live Wire Cards an Onsale Auction. > . . Best -- Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 2:59 PM > Subject: IBM AntiVirus update > > > Update AV30EI to IBMAV (IBM AntiVirus) has been posted on > > Sep 3, 1999, and can be downloaded for free at: > > > > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ibm/index.html > > > > JC > > ========= ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 8 22:59:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03974 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:59:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09130; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:58:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09040; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08994; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:57:49 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id WAA01284 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guv-vty62.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guv-vty62.as.wcom.net [216.192.142.62]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA01234 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:56:57 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18914.990908@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: THINKPAD & WINFAX PRO / EZ SERVE In-reply-To: <37D5DD9F.2204@vdn.com> References: <37D5DD9F.2204@vdn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, September 07, 1999, 10:53:03 PM, smonrad wrote: s> Anyone have experience with Winfax Pro on IBM internal modems? I have had absolutely no problem with WinFAX Pro on either my ThinkPad 755CE or my ThinkPad 770ED, since disabling the internal modem and using a 3Com / Megahertz modem/ethernet card. The internal modem and the (alleged) IrDA port are the only parts of my ThinkPads that I have never had good luck with. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN9ch9W8pw+2/9pUJEQJzAwCfQR7qfDH31O7oQQYCT2y9AydGYzoAoOWP S78dVZ1mh6cZPlunbF5T0yXf =wpQa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Sep 9 14:36:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08019 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:36:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10868; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10488; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rochpop1.roch.uswest.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10472; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rochpop1.roch.uswest.net (207.109.208.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 8035 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 1999 18:31:05 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU@fixme Received: (qmail 8029 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 18:31:04 -0000 Received: from dialupd79.roch.uswest.net (HELO johnendicott) (209.180.52.79) by 207.109.208.1 with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 18:31:04 -0000 Message-ID: <001301befaf1$094e6eb0$4f34b4d1@johnendicott> From: "John Endicott" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: 1472 & DVD Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:27:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Can I play DVD movies on a 1472? From cph Thu Sep 9 15:55:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08498 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:55:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19432; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:51:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19163; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19133; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:50:56 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-356.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA312722 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:50:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: memory chip prices went up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, chip prices went up since labor day... 40% i'm told.. BUT, i don't think it is a long term trend.. From cph Thu Sep 9 15:57:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08751 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:57:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19806; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:54:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19471; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19453; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:54:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-356.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA216300; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37D81064.32633EE3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:54:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Endicott CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 1472 & DVD References: <001301befaf1$094e6eb0$4f34b4d1@johnendicott> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not that i know of, at least not in navive configueration.. perhaps through a 2nd party PCMCIA DVD device.. i have not been watching those, so it MAY be possible.. John Endicott wrote: > Can I play DVD movies on a 1472? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net to delete offending messages, use the delete key, located in the upper right of your keyboard, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 9 16:02:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08791 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:02:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20498; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:00:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20362; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20346; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:59:56 -0400 Received: from andres (pm558-38.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.90]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA69214 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:59:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990909160010.00a84ec0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:00:10 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 1472 & DVD In-Reply-To: <37D81064.32633EE3@icanect.net> References: <001301befaf1$094e6eb0$4f34b4d1@johnendicott> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Actually, a 1472 can play DVD movies. I saw a demo of this at my local Circuit City or Best Buy, I forget which place. It was said that this was a stock 1472, right out of the box. -STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 03:54 PM 9/9/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >not that i know of, at least not in navive configueration.. > >perhaps through a 2nd party PCMCIA DVD device.. >i have not been watching those, so it MAY be possible.. > >John Endicott wrote: > >> Can I play DVD movies on a 1472? > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. >roadwarriortrading.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >to delete offending messages, use the delete key, located in the upper >right of your keyboard, >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills >or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 9 16:37:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09043 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:37:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23215; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23111; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23075; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:24:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07683; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:23 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad List" References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > FWIW, chip prices went up since labor day... > 40% i'm told.. > BUT, i don't think it is a long term trend.. I thought this was mainly SDRAM; I can't see why the (supposed) production shortages in desktop chips should cause the DIMMs used in laptops should go up. BTW, PIII-600 prices are slated to drop on September 12; the reason (apparently) is that there will be a new PIII-600 that can support a 133mhz side bus. I don't know how long it will take before this drop (or the one from a couple of weeks ago for slower chips) has an impact on ThinkPad prices. - David R. From cph Thu Sep 9 17:08:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09273 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:08:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25987; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25881; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25853; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:51 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-356.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA185252; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:01:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37D81FDE.FA1F69C7@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:00:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> <002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David... i'm not sure either... all i know is one of my vendors (who keeps me abreast of pricing) sent me an e-mail with thjis warning... they DO see into desktop and so on.. the 128meg parts went up about $45~ in my cost from this time last week.. (for level 1 buyers, it went up about the same, but from a slightly higher starting point) IMO, its a temporary thing, but only if you really need more memory now.. :-) IRT P-III, the next top TP will (i'm told) have a 700/400 mhz P-III cpu.. not sure of the buss speed, i suppose it'll be whatever the MM will handle... i just put a p-III 450 into one of my boxes at home and its a nice speed pickup over the p-II 350... i rarely buy the top cpu.. :-) always last weeks top cpu at many $$ less.... David Ross wrote: > > FWIW, chip prices went up since labor day... > > 40% i'm told.. > > BUT, i don't think it is a long term trend.. > > I thought this was mainly SDRAM; I can't see why the (supposed) production shortages in desktop chips should cause the DIMMs used in > laptops should go up. > > BTW, PIII-600 prices are slated to drop on September 12; the reason (apparently) is that there > will be a new PIII-600 that can support a 133mhz side bus. I don't know how long it will take before > this drop (or the one from a couple of weeks ago for slower chips) has an impact on ThinkPad prices. > > - David R. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 9 18:10:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09683 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:10:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00746; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00609; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00590; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16 -> dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:38 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA06285; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909092206.RAA06285@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga12-57.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.249) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006118; Thu Sep 9 17:05:54 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37D81FDE.FA1F69C7@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: EZ Serve, part 3 List-Unsubscribe: You may recall the problems I have had with EZ Serve. Apparently this is a good week for them, or they have gotten better. My 760CD went via Airborne on Tuesday; the unit returned today. The reason it had lost sound was a bad sound adjuster bar, which was replaced. The DSP card checked out Ok. While they were at it, they fixed the right keyboard latch, which had jammed again (had to use a pen knife to open the ultra bay). So, gotta say that when EZ Serve is "on" they are REALLY first rate. The 760CD is happily docked in a Dock II, sounding fine. Allan From cph Thu Sep 9 18:16:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09717 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:16:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01411; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01327; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01309; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-356.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA330590; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37D8315B.5F7BF9E9@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:14:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 1472 & DVD References: <001301befaf1$094e6eb0$4f34b4d1@johnendicott> <3.0.6.32.19990909160010.00a84ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: really..??!! ibm does not give much in the way of anything in the sales books, for the "i" series.. it must have been some sort of aftermarket pc card..? if internal, then i am really surprised.. STeve Andre' wrote: > Actually, a 1472 can play DVD movies. I saw a demo of this at my > local Circuit City or Best Buy, I forget which place. > > It was said that this was a stock 1472, right out of the box. > > -STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 03:54 PM 9/9/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >not that i know of, at least not in navive configueration.. > > > >perhaps through a 2nd party PCMCIA DVD device.. > >i have not been watching those, so it MAY be possible.. > > > >John Endicott wrote: > > > >> Can I play DVD movies on a 1472? > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > >roadwarriortrading.com > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >to delete offending messages, use the delete key, located in the upper > >right of your keyboard, > >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > >or i just don't care.. :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net let your finger delete offending e-mail, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 9 19:32:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10213 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:32:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05196; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05055; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05025; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:12 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qta8q.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.169.26]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02213; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01befb1a$c33b08a0$1aa9aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: , References: <37D6C5E8.B3BA7ABC@netzero.net> Subject: Re: SoftDVD and video upgrades, an ongoing saga. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Are there any newsgroups devoted to IBM manufactured PCs or TPs. Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan-Carlos Lerman To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: SoftDVD and video upgrades, an ongoing saga. | This story is about recent problems related to SoftDVD | in TP770, TP770ED, and perhaps other models. It includes | a workaround. | | During the last month there has been an exponential | increase of postings to the IBM Online Support | Forum concerning problems in running SoftDVD after | *upgrading* all the video drivers. The known number | of affected TP770 users now seems to be increasing. | Perhaps about a dozen users have been complaining, | in some degree, to that forum. | | For a feeling about the whole story and how "ugly" | it is becoming, search the IBM forum for "SoftDVD". | | Here follow some excerpts from the most recent week's | postings to IBM's forum. As the forum is "public for | TPers" I consider these excerpts are covered by | the "fair use provisions of copyrighted materials": | | (a) the "JC-PROVEN" workaround to the | video | drivers problem, | | and | | (b) a sample of the increasingly "stronger" | messages sent to IBM. Do they begin to read | like the complains about EasyServ? I think so, | because they are triggered by the official | responses we have been getting on that forum. | Mostly they read as if it would be "our fault" | for not configuring and un-installing and | re-installing the drivers and other software | in a "proven correct sequence"... | | Incidentally, a "driver patch" we've been recently | sent didn't work for me (under Win95), but it worked | for somebody else (under Win98). | | I also have some hints about DVDExpress issues which | I'll prefer to discuss by private e-mail. | | I'm thinking in starting a web page about problems | such as lack of quality assurance and control in the | design and support of TP software (including drivers | and patches). Any comments? | | JC | | jclerm@aztec.asu.edu | | ================= excerpts ========================= | | Posted to IBM's TP Forum | ------------------------ | | Until IBM recognizes that the problems we | experience with the "updates" are more likely | to be due to faulty code rather than to the | installation order or disorder, I found the | following workaround for my TP770 (on Win95): | | 1. Un-install the Video Features driver and | reinstall the one recovered from the | diskette factory. | | 2. Similar procedure for the Video Capture | drivers. | | 3. Un-install the MPEG driver and re-install | the one that came with the DVD drive, | followed by re-installation of the Region | Code. | | 4. I didn't un-install the updated audio | driver. | | 5. I didn't un-install SoftDVD 1.14. | | In summary, the only updated pieces of | software I have currently installed are the | Audio Features and SoftDVD 1.14. | | Now the DVDs are playing OK again, on my | TP770 running Win95. | | JC [thus the above is "JC-PROVEN"] | | jclerm@aztec.asu.edu | jclerman@netzero.net | | ----------------------------------------------------- | | John [at IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter]: | | Excuse me John, but please don't pretend you don't | know about the HUGE problems people have with | DVD and Thinkpad. I never use my Thinkpad for | DVD playback anymore, because the | performance/stability is so shaky. | | And its not because I'm unable to configure the | software properly, I have tried everything (and I am | a very experienced "super" user so its not because | of any kind of ignorance.) | | My DVD titles are now just gathering dust on my | shelf. | | I am really looking forward to what win2000 can do | we this... but most of all I would like to see DVD | support under linux. Here is a system which runs | stable, and should be perfect for DVD-playback. | | Thomas Tolborg | | ----------------------------------------------------- | | Thomas: | | I never claimed that there are no problems with | playing DVD movies in various ThinkPad models. I | don't believe I have insulted anyone's intelligence | in trying to find a solution to the problems. If I | have, then I apologize. | | Thank you for using the IBM ThinkPad Forums! | | John Hartnett | IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter | | ----------------------------------------------------- | | John: | | The machine is now working to my satisfaction. | Here is how I resolved the problem: | | Thanks to a suggestion from Juan-Carlos Lerman, I | used the diskette factory in the 770ED to create | diskettes with the display and capture drivers. I | then reinstalled from the 770 recovery CD-ROM to | get back to the original Windows 95 installation. I | installed the drivers from the two diskettes (display | and capture), then installed SoftDVD 1.14, then the | MPEG III drivers, then the region diskette. | Everything works. | | Thanks for your suggestions. There must be some | problem in the newest display and/or capture | drivers on the 9548-32U. | | Ron | | | | | | | | ====================================================== | ________________________________________________________ | NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? | Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at | http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html | From cph Thu Sep 9 19:37:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10266 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:37:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05840; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05729; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05716; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:11 -0400 Received: from andres (pm558-38.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.90]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA47010 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990909193622.00a7e7e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:36:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 1472 & DVD In-Reply-To: <37D8315B.5F7BF9E9@icanect.net> References: <001301befaf1$094e6eb0$4f34b4d1@johnendicott> <3.0.6.32.19990909160010.00a84ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Given the complexity of most sales people, I don't think it was an add-on card. I think the 1472 can really play DVD movies. I'll go look at the IBM site to verify my sanity, later on tonight. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:14 PM 9/9/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >really..??!! >ibm does not give much in the way of anything in the sales books, for the "i" >series.. >it must have been some sort of aftermarket pc card..? >if internal, then i am really surprised.. > >STeve Andre' wrote: > >> Actually, a 1472 can play DVD movies. I saw a demo of this at my >> local Circuit City or Best Buy, I forget which place. >> >> It was said that this was a stock 1472, right out of the box. >> >> -STeve Andre' >> andres@pilot.msu.edu >> >> At 03:54 PM 9/9/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >not that i know of, at least not in navive configueration.. >> > >> >perhaps through a 2nd party PCMCIA DVD device.. >> >i have not been watching those, so it MAY be possible.. >> > >> >John Endicott wrote: >> > >> >> Can I play DVD movies on a 1472? >> > >> >-- >> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> > >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. >> >roadwarriortrading.com >> >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> > >> >to delete offending messages, use the delete key, located in the upper >> >right of your keyboard, >> >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills >> >or i just don't care.. :-) > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. >roadwarriortrading.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >let your finger delete offending e-mail, >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i >just don't care.. :-) > > > > From cph Thu Sep 9 19:52:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10346 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06686; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06599; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06586; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:40 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-079.usc.edu [128.125.223.79]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA25524 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990909164745.00cff4d0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:50:05 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Warranty Service locally instead of through EZ Serve? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just realized I have one of those rubberized door hinges on my TP 600 where the rubber itself is broken/ripped right at the "hinge". This, to me, should be a fairly simple fix and I really don't want to send it off to EZ Serve--yet there is almost 2 full years left on the warranty, so it *is* something I'd like to get fixed. I'm in Los Angeles, so it should be difficult--but how do I find a local computer repair place which is authorized by IBM to do warranty service? I'm thinking that would be a lot easier than sending it out. Thanks, - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Sep 9 21:02:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10824 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:02:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10988; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:00:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10904; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10881; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16 -> dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:00:15 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA00811 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:00:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909100100.UAA00811@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga12-57.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.249) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000696; Thu Sep 9 19:59:25 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "TP List" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990909164745.00cff4d0@rcf.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warranty Service locally instead of through EZ Serve? List-Unsubscribe: I think the term IBM uses is "carry in." Call the TP number, and ask IBM for a list of carry in approved shops in your area. On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:50:05 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >Hi, > > I just realized I have one of those rubberized door hinges on my TP 600 >where the rubber itself is broken/ripped right at the "hinge". > > This, to me, should be a fairly simple fix and I really don't want to send >it off to EZ Serve--yet there is almost 2 full years left on the warranty, >so it *is* something I'd like to get fixed. > > I'm in Los Angeles, so it should be difficult--but how do I find a local >computer repair place which is authorized by IBM to do warranty service? >I'm thinking that would be a lot easier than sending it out. > >Thanks, >- Randy Whittle From cph Thu Sep 9 21:08:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10847 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11595; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11502; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11489; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-356.gate.net [199.227.131.165]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA168176; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <37D859A8.488C1271@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:06:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: EZ Serve, part 4 References: <199909092206.RAA06285@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: did i post that i sent in a 600 on tuesday, doa, and it was returned, today, with a new system board, working fine.. Allan Ballard wrote: > You may recall the problems I have had with EZ Serve. > > Apparently this is a good week for them, or they have > gotten better. > > My 760CD went via Airborne on Tuesday; the unit > returned today. > > The reason it had lost sound was a bad sound adjuster > bar, which was replaced. The DSP card checked out > Ok. > > While they were at it, they fixed the right keyboard latch, > which had jammed again (had to use a pen knife to > open the ultra bay). > > So, gotta say that when EZ Serve is "on" they are > REALLY first rate. > > The 760CD is happily docked in a Dock II, sounding > fine. > > Allan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 9 21:30:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10948 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:30:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12787; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12706; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12692; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:06 -0400 Received: from [12.79.13.203] by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990910012859.BHPV24367@[12.79.13.203]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:28:59 +0000 Message-ID: <37D85EE2.23DE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:29:06 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: TP List Subject: Re: Warranty Service extension References: <199909100100.UAA00811@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hey, I just "won" a warranty extension on ebay for $41.00 Guess I'll have another year of looking at EZServe! From cph Thu Sep 9 21:46:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11034 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:46:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13882; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:45:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13785; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13766; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:45:07 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA09179; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:45:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004101befb2e$1cba6e80$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.1.19990909164745.00cff4d0@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Warranty Service locally instead of through EZ Serve? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:45:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Whatever makes you think that you warrantee covers this? Part of my problem last January with EZerve was that the warrantee (on the 560) apparently specifically excludes anything made out of plastic - in my case, they interpreted this to include the latch assembly. I would think that torn rubber would be included in this exclusion. Of course, they *used* to fix this kind of thing without complaint... - David From cph Thu Sep 9 21:56:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11103 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14707; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:55:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14614; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14596; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:55:20 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-063.usc.edu [128.125.224.63]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA28137; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990909185236.00b06670@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:54:36 -0700 To: "David Ross" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Warranty Service locally instead of through EZ Serve? In-Reply-To: <004101befb2e$1cba6e80$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.1.19990909164745.00cff4d0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I understand you had problems with EZ Serve and I have indeed had them too. But the warranty covers the machine. When the machine starts to fall apart in any way, there's clearly a problem that needs to be fixed. - Randy At 03:45 PM 09/09/1999 -1000, you wrote: >Whatever makes you think that you warrantee covers this? Part of my problem >last January with EZerve was that the warrantee (on the >560) apparently specifically excludes anything made out of >plastic - in my case, they interpreted this to include the latch assembly. >I would think that torn rubber would be included in this >exclusion. > >Of course, they *used* to fix this kind of thing without complaint... > >- David > > > From cph Thu Sep 9 23:40:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11789 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:40:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19151; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19027; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19014; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:05 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt8f2.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.226]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22383 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002201befb3d$f4ccec80$e2a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: EasyServ Extened Warranty Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:38:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There are posts on the IBM forum that state that Easy-Serv extended warranty can no longer be purchased for any TP. I'm going to call IBM tomorrow, but can anyone confirm this? Thanks, Chuck From cph Fri Sep 10 00:16:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11909 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:16:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21486; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21405; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21391; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet.net (205.246.19.62 -> mail1.buffnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:15 -0400 Received: from buffnet ([208.28.189.76]) by buffnet.net ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:00 -3736621 Message-ID: <002b01befb43$14480f40$4cbd1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> From: "Richard Benstock" To: Subject: Pardon the stupid Q Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Okay, when I shut the lid of my Thinpad 600 2645-41U, I believe it goes into standby? When I open the lid a few hours later it comes to life. Fine. So I connect to ISP, and everything is screwy. Mail and news cannot be delivered. I disconnect and shut down and I get the screen "Windows is shutting down" but it hangs there and never goes to "it is now safe to turn off your computer." So I hit the on-switch and it reboots without any problem and without pausing to scandisk and check for bad files. I don't know how at this point to check which version of bios and which version of the internal modem drivers i am using...through various incarnations of problems i have changed it several times according to instruction but i think last time IBM customer service had me go back to before whatever the problem was I was calling them about occurred (I don't remember). Any idea what causes this? Or you need more info (and can tell me where to find it?). Also sometimes that thing of getting stuck during the shutdown process happens without the lid having been closed. So somewhere in the morass of power management, windoze, internal modem, BIOS, and God knows what else, is the truth about what is happening. Any help here? Rick Benstock ICQ 3371317 RickB on CU Q. Did you hear about the new viagra candy bar? A. Oh, Oh, Oh my God, Henry! From cph Fri Sep 10 00:30:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11959 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:30:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22295; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:28:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22205; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22172; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:27:34 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-7.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.7]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09421 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990910002949.0130f150@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:29:49 -0700 To: ThinkPad List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up In-Reply-To: <37D81FDE.FA1F69C7@icanect.net> References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> <002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:00 PM 09/09/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >David... >i'm not sure either... > >all i know is one of my vendors (who keeps me abreast of pricing) sent me an e-mail with thjis warning... >they DO see into desktop and so on.. the 128meg parts went up about $45~ in my cost from this time last week.. >(for level 1 buyers, it went up about the same, but from a slightly higher starting point) I've noticed 16x64 PC100's have gone up. I checked an invoice from early July to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. July 3rd = $90.00 for 128megs. Today = $212.00 (OMG!!). I also purchased a 32x64 (256meg) for a server. Two weeks ago = $289.00 Today = $414.00 (WTF?). Unbelievable.......... My younger brother (who isn't of age yet), almost cried because he had saved $50 for a 64meg upgrade. I felt bad for him and gave him an extra PC100 64meg SDRAM I had laying around the office. This part was $47 two months ago. Now? $107.00 (Insane!) On the flipside, 64 and 128meg parts for Thinkpad 600/770 series are still stable for NOW. NECX has Kingston parts for $99.95 and $183.95 respectively. (Warning, though, the 64meg part WAS $71.95 three weeks ago!!) I just ordered and received 10 128meg upgrades (We pulled 5 64meg upgrades to boost a set of X's and Z's (7au/8au) to 320megs each. >IMO, its a temporary thing, but only if you really need more memory now.. :-) In terms of desktop memory, I would definitely WAIT. In terms of Thinkpad 600/770 series memory, GET IT NOW! >i just put a p-III 450 into one of my boxes at home and its a nice speed pickup over the p-II 350... >i rarely buy the top cpu.. :-) always last weeks top cpu at many $$ less.... I put a P3-600 in my main system. I'm a Hardware freak....... > >David Ross wrote: > >> > FWIW, chip prices went up since labor day... >> > 40% i'm told.. >> > BUT, i don't think it is a long term trend.. >> >> I thought this was mainly SDRAM; I can't see why the (supposed) production shortages in desktop chips should cause the DIMMs used in >> laptops should go up. >> >> BTW, PIII-600 prices are slated to drop on September 12; the reason (apparently) is that there >> will be a new PIII-600 that can support a 133mhz side bus. I don't know how long it will take before >> this drop (or the one from a couple of weeks ago for slower chips) has an impact on ThinkPad prices. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 10 00:50:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12046 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:50:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23420; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:49:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23341; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23322; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:48:55 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt8f2.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.226]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA32364; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008001befb47$b3614a20$e2a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Karl Hazan" , Cc: References: <37D19139.5955C54A@accent.net> Subject: Re: No ext warranty on iSeries - was Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:48:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Karl, As an iSeries owner, I was glad to read your note. The only problem is I cannot download the pdf file and the document number to fax back was invalid. If you have the pdf file, I would really appreciate it if you could send it to me. Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Hazan To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Re: No ext warranty on iSeries - was Re: Thinkpad 390 v. 1552 i Series | Simon Bryquer wrote: | > | > My understanding is that IBM has reneged on the extended warranty for | > the iSeries. Many have complaint in news:comp.sys.laptops that when | > purchasing the iSeries they were told that extended warranty was | > available but when they tried to purchase it were told it was not. I'm | > saying all this taking people's word -- not having checked out recently | > with IBM directly. | | I suspect that is just a rumour. Otherwise, IBM is flirting with a | massive class-action lawsuit. I just checked the "IBM Servicepac for | Warranty and Maintenance Options - Supported Products List" at their | website and all of the i-series models (1410, 1411, 1412, 1450, 1451, | 1452, 1472, and 1720) are listed as supported products for all of the | following extended service packs: | | 2,3,or 4 year depot service | 1,2,3, or 4 year 9x5 onsite service | | If you'd like to take a look at the document yourself, it can be | downloaded from: | | http://www.as.ibm.com/asus/source/wamomxeu.pdf (note: requires acrobat | reader to view). | | Or, you can get it from their fax-back service. Call 1-800-IBM-3395 and | request document #11006. | | Best regards, | KH | From cph Fri Sep 10 01:03:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12106 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:03:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24128; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24044; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24030; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:29 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09909; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:01:22 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001601befb49$8b081660$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Richard Benstock" , References: <002b01befb43$14480f40$4cbd1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> Subject: Re: Pardon the stupid Q Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:01:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: W95 or W98? If the former, make sure you update Dial Up Networking to version 1.3. While your problem is most likely really with modem driver or power management, the later versions of DUN are more robust than the one that comes preinstalled. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Benstock To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 6:14 PM Subject: Pardon the stupid Q > Okay, when I shut the lid of my Thinpad 600 2645-41U, I believe it goes into > standby? When I open the lid a few hours later it comes to life. Fine. So I > connect to ISP, and everything is screwy. Mail and news cannot be delivered. > I disconnect and shut down and I get the screen "Windows is shutting down" > but it hangs there and never goes to "it is now safe to turn off your > computer." So I hit the on-switch and it reboots without any problem and > without pausing to scandisk and check for bad files. > > I don't know how at this point to check which version of bios and which > version of the internal modem drivers i am using...through various > incarnations of problems i have changed it several times according to > instruction but i think last time IBM customer service had me go back to > before whatever the problem was I was calling them about occurred (I don't > remember). > > Any idea what causes this? Or you need more info (and can tell me where to > find it?). Also sometimes that thing of getting stuck during the shutdown > process happens without the lid having been closed. So somewhere in the > morass of power management, windoze, internal modem, BIOS, and God knows > what else, is the truth about what is happening. Any help here? > > Rick Benstock > ICQ 3371317 > RickB on CU > > Q. Did you hear about the new viagra candy bar? > A. Oh, Oh, Oh my God, Henry! > > > > From cph Fri Sep 10 01:04:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12112 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:04:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24422; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:02:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24253; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wally.bu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24193; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wally.bu.edu (168.122.247.99 -> BAYS091-0801-099.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:02:34 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (IDENT:aturley@wally [127.0.0.1]) by wally.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13213 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199909100501.BAA13213@wally.bu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpads from Onsale.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:01:14 -0400 From: Andrew Turley List-Unsubscribe: Just in case anybody wondered, last week somebody from intellesale.com finally contacted me about replacing my Thinkpad 755CX that I got from Onsale.com. What a pain in the butt. They had sent me an SDK, which does not have sound or an 800x600 display like they had advertised in the auction. I just wondered if anyone else had run into this problem and if so, has it been properly resolved? andy -- three kings say down there what river you ask shyly slick alligators devour babies only the weak shall see swim over here on the keys meat post often yells underhand consequence removed our castle winds quick back porch caught bird spells winter through shimmering post give pencils a hand to stand beside me From cph Fri Sep 10 01:50:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12248 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:50:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26069; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:48:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25995; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25982; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:48:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10028; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:48:45 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01befb50$2a7022a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mark Bell" , "Bill Morrow" References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net><002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990910002949.0130f150@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:48:50 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There have been some interesting articles on the memory situation at asiabiztech.com. there is certainly a shortage of 64 meg chips, though the situation for larger ones is not so clear cut, and might well just be a profitable piggybacking situation. In particular, wholesale spot pricing for some chip sizes is at an all time high, while contract prices have only increased a little. As a consequence, for example, my wife is about to buy a new desktop system, and even today the marginal extra price of going from 128 megs to 256 megs is not any higher now than when she first started looking a couple of weeks ago - the big systems companies aren't paying significantly more for their chips. This might be the reason that laptop DIMMS haven't gone up too. Maybe when people stop buying all these 'free' computers (what a slick deal for Compuserve *that* is!) the prices will ease up a little. > I had laying around the office. This part [64 meg SDRAM] was $47 two months ago. Now? $107.00 This biggest increases seem to have been for 64 meg chips; in fact, for a while these were rising, and the 128 meg chips were still falling, and at least one article last week (http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/resch/80556) predicted a cross. I don't know if this happened for the 'contract' price, but of course for 'spot' prices the bigger chips have gone up in concert with the smaller ones, if for no other reason then because they could. - David R. From cph Fri Sep 10 09:19:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13506 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07681; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:16:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07253; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06976; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:15:22 -0400 Received: from peter ([142.90.100.85]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 5:43:49 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: , "Andrew Turley" Subject: Re: Thinkpads from Onsale.com AKA Intellesale AKA Datapath Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: <01befb8a$4bdbb0a0$55645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Been there , done that . ;-} I had a "few" interactions with the folks at Datapath. Intellesale = Datapath . All said and done, and it took a LONG time ,they actually came through for me . They replaced a more than beat up 701C with a much nicer one and ended up supplying the promised accessories , like the "proper " power supply and the Multiport. Somehow I ended up with a few spare parts after the whole saga. ;-} They screwed up more than a few times and are VERY slow to reply to emails. Phoning did not seem to help as the proper person is never available. It took at least two months and a certain tenacity on my part for the whole thing to be "fixed". As you are aware, they seem to be the only game in town on certain Thinkpads. ;-{ They gouge you on shipping . Their Onsale Ads are often wrong (misleading ? ), as you found out. They have no clue what the term "Refurbished " means. Onsale does NOT police them very well. They are amazingly slow to ship . The 10 days that is quoted in their Onsale Ads is at best a "maybe". Have fun ! BTW Dave Neuman was my main contact . daven@datapath.com ...peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Turley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:03 PM Subject: Thinkpads from Onsale.com >Just in case anybody wondered, last week somebody from intellesale.com finally >contacted me about replacing my Thinkpad 755CX that I got from Onsale.com. >What a pain in the butt. They had sent me an SDK, which does not have sound >or an 800x600 display like they had advertised in the auction. I just >wondered if anyone else had run into this problem and if so, has it been >properly resolved? > >andy From cph Fri Sep 10 09:45:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13686 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:45:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13338; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12835; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12674; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:39:48 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04840 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990910080732.013107c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:07:32 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up In-Reply-To: <002d01befb50$2a7022a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> <002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990910002949.0130f150@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:48 PM 09/09/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >There have been some interesting articles on the memory situation at asiabiztech.com. >there is certainly a shortage of 64 meg chips, though the situation for larger ones is not so >clear cut, and might well just be a profitable piggybacking situation. Thanks for the link. :) You are right. If we are to believe the reports (why wouldn't we?), the only shortage IS the 64Mb part. Of course we can't forget our friend FUD (don't we all remember the outrageous, high priced 30-pin SIMM saga? ) and profit linking. I just noted watching the prices starting to drive upward. I always order my items >from the cheapest, short lead time, slim margins as possible organizations with decent RMA policies for replacements/warranties. I checked with NECX and their prices are on par with the little guys (ex, $212.95 for 128megs PC100), but remain somewhat less volatile in the long run. >In particular, wholesale spot pricing for some chip sizes is at an all time high, while contract prices >have only increased a little. As a consequence, for example, my wife is about to buy a >new desktop system, and even today the marginal extra price of going from 128 megs to 256 megs is >not any higher now than when she first started looking a couple of weeks ago - the big systems companies aren't paying significantly >more for their chips. This might be the reason that >laptop DIMMS haven't gone up too. I would hope so, but as noted the Kingston part for 770/600 series units (was least inexpensive on the market), went from $71.95 -> 99.95 in a matter of weeks. On the flipside, Viking has stayed steady at $85.00. Kingston's 128meg part is a rock solid $175.00, and Viking is coming down in price too on that particular part ($230.00). Thinkpad memory prices run crazy all over the place. Example: 128meg: Kingston $175.00 Viking $230.00 Southland Micro $288.00 IBM Options $352.00 Golden Ram $470.00 (Ouch! Does this come with a FREE 770 unit? ;P ). > >Maybe when people stop buying all these 'free' computers (what a slick deal for Compuserve >*that* is!) the prices will ease up a little. Is this the actual source of the problem? Are there any hard numbers about how many of these free ISP/computer deals have been sold? > >> I had laying around the office. This part [64 meg SDRAM] was $47 two months ago. Now? $107.00 > >This biggest increases seem to have been for 64 meg chips; in fact, for a while these were rising, and the 128 meg chips were still >falling, and at least one article last week (http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/resch/80556) predicted a >cross. >I don't know if this happened for the 'contract' price, but of course for 'spot' prices the bigger chips have gone up in concert >with the smaller ones, if for no other reason then because they could. We are talking about 64megabit (Mb) chips, right? (8x8, each chip = 8megs) or the actual 64megabyte (MB) part? I am definitely easing back. I always keep a small stockpile of memory and parts for clients. I hope the prices come down soon or clients who want servers with 1gig of memory and clients with 256megs of memory will be in for a serious shock! ;) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 10 10:32:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13996 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:32:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18007; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17849; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17797; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:17 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10801 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:29:34 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909101429.JAA10801@europa.veggie.com> Subject: ServicePac - extending warranty To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: My very poor experience with IBM ServicePac and IBM: About two months ago I extended my basic one year warranty on my TP560x with IBM ServicePac for an additional 2 years. At the time I asked for my international warranty to be extended too, which they said they would do (registering for international warranty is free - they take your info and send you a sticker - I did this with _one_ simple phone call during my basic warranty period.). A few weeks later, since I hadn't gotten my registration confirmation for the international warranty I called IBM .. I started with the international warranty service people, then ServicePac and it seems I got to phone everyone in IBM who has a phone. At some point I even got referred back to the same people I had talked to before. At different times and days I must have told my story to them easily 30 times and called between 10 and 15 different 800 numbers, never mind the time on hold and the mind-numbing music... Everyone is nice and understanding and promises to resolve this simple problem. ServicePac apparently is incapable of forwarding my updated warranty info to the international warranty people, who can't confirm my extended warranty to register me and issue me that sticker. I am amazed at the lack of organization and shame. I hope this is really an isolated case, otherwise it does not bode well for IBM support of its Thinkpad users. Having this experience along with all the recent posts regarding EZ Serve gives me less confidence in IBM's commitment to service, which was one of the major reasons for paying the premium price for a Thinkpad (which I do believe to be a great machine). Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 11:30:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14436 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:30:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27581; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00838; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00209; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.71 -> imo27.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:46:25 -0400 Received: from RBilliex@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oFORa01400 (4255) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:38:34 EDT Subject: Trade 2 laptops for one? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 List-Unsubscribe: I have an IBM 560 (120 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 2 gig hd, 32 ram, external floppy) and a Compaq 1580DMT (150 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 32 ram, 850 hd, internal power supply and modem) The compaq is missing the battery, floppy, and cdrom which I'm keeping for another Compaq I have. I'm looking to see if anyone would be willing to trade these two for one IBM Thinkpad with a 13.3" TFT display and just about any processor. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Sep 10 11:49:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14573 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00203; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29812; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29791; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:43 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-147.usc.edu [128.125.223.147]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA29405 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990910084242.00b1a1b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:46:11 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Trade 2 laptops for one? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:38 AM 09/10/1999 -0400, you wrote: >I have an IBM 560 (120 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 2 gig hd, 32 ram, external floppy) >and a Compaq 1580DMT (150 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 32 ram, 850 hd, internal power >supply and modem) The compaq is missing the battery, floppy, and cdrom which >I'm keeping for another Compaq I have. I'm looking to see if anyone would be >willing to trade these two for one IBM Thinkpad with a 13.3" TFT display and >just about any processor. So you're looking to take a 2 year old laptop and, another old laptop which you've stripped of fairly vital components, and you're hoping to get someone to trade a relatively new laptop for these? Oh yeah, that'll work. From cph Fri Sep 10 12:25:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14853 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:25:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02647; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02466; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02451; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-381.gate.net [199.227.131.190]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA280820; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37D92EF0.FEB27DE6@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:16:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Trade 2 laptops for one? References: <4.1.19990910084242.00b1a1b0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Lets see now, an old 560 with the small display, an unknown quantity compaq good only for parts, uhh, OK.. i'll swap one of my decent 701's, and i suppose the compaq can be sold on e-bay.. which is a good advertising venue for a parts machine.. Randy.. you want a display from a compaq..?? :-) (cheap!) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 08:38 AM 09/10/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >I have an IBM 560 (120 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 2 gig hd, 32 ram, external floppy) > >and a Compaq 1580DMT (150 pentium, 12.1 TFT, 32 ram, 850 hd, internal power > >supply and modem) The compaq is missing the battery, floppy, and cdrom which > >I'm keeping for another Compaq I have. I'm looking to see if anyone would be > >willing to trade these two for one IBM Thinkpad with a 13.3" TFT display and > >just about any processor. > > So you're looking to take a 2 year old laptop and, another old laptop > which you've stripped of fairly vital components, and you're hoping to get > someone to trade a relatively new laptop for these? > > Oh yeah, that'll work. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Sep 10 12:49:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15046 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:49:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04806; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04255; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04207; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-381.gate.net [199.227.131.190]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA382044; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:40:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37D9343A.BB5CC0D2@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic items on auction (hold onto your hat!) References: <37D92310.23F0D759@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: JC, et al., Thanks for the interesting article.. ! on the old AOL classifieds, where ponzi and pyramid were words never used, but where the essence of their meaning was rampant, there was no apparent policing of the vendors.. (this is one reason, when i see anyone with an AOL e-mail address (yes, i have one!, but i sure don't use it) my caution is raised to a new and higher level)... NOTE: i specifically do not include many good friends who have AOL e-mail address's in the above, humorous (i hope) comment.. its nice, and i hope real, to read that e-bay is, in fact, doing something, to prevent fraud... i sure hope someone does not start a flame war over any of the above, so advance apologies to anyone who is offended in any way by anything at all in the foregoing comments.. :-) Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > About *interesting* (off-topic) on-line auctions, see: > today's *entertaining* news: > > "Online Auctions Feature Odd, Illegal" > > at: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Auction-Anarchy.html > > Take note of the name of their "enforcement officer" > so you can directly notify of suspected or proven fraud. > > = > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Sep 10 14:06:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15826 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:06:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11114; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:59:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10477; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10443; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:59:29 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11213 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:59:45 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909101759.MAA11213@europa.veggie.com> Subject: TP560x & Partition Magic no go To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:59:45 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I was trying to use Partition Magic 4 on my TP 560x (Win 95) and it gives me an error Init failed: Error 255 Some research lead me to believe that this is due to a mismatch of the real drive geometry and what the OS reports. I have 993 C, 128 H, and 63 S apparently, but Win95 reports fewer ... Anyone have had similar problems? >>> Is there a way to get to the BIOS so that I can see what it sees for the drive geometry or set it to possibly autodetect if that option exists? This is the TP560x that came with a 4GB drive, two partitions of 2GB. I blew one away and have been running linux on it. Windows doesn't even see that partition and hence reports the drive to be only 2GB big. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 14:09:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15839 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:09:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11358; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10758; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10740; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:03:14 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-381.gate.net [199.227.131.190]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA187548; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:50:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37D936A6.22E51396@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:49:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: memory chip prices went up References: <37D80F8E.C2327E9B@icanect.net> <002201befb01$522a5e40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990910002949.0130f150@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i would not rely on any pricing thats online now, and if they will sell it at pre-insanity prices, then get it.. if you need it.. they quote the power outage in taiwan, changeover to denser(sp?) chips and the like as reasons... read an article on that news site.. they think this bump is just a flash in the pan and suggest not getting carried away.. the spot market is volitile they say and advise that contract memory is more indicative of real trends.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 05:00 PM 09/09/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >David... > >i'm not sure either... > > > >all i know is one of my vendors (who keeps me abreast of pricing) sent me > an e-mail with thjis warning... > >they DO see into desktop and so on.. the 128meg parts went up about $45~ > in my cost from this time last week.. > >(for level 1 buyers, it went up about the same, but from a slightly higher > starting point) > > I've noticed 16x64 PC100's have gone up. I checked an invoice from early > July to make > sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. July 3rd = $90.00 for 128megs. Today = > $212.00 > (OMG!!). I also purchased a 32x64 (256meg) for a server. Two weeks ago = > $289.00 > Today = $414.00 (WTF?). Unbelievable.......... > > My younger brother (who isn't of age yet), almost cried because he had > saved $50 > for a 64meg upgrade. I felt bad for him and gave him an extra PC100 64meg > SDRAM > I had laying around the office. This part was $47 two months ago. Now? $107.00 > (Insane!) > > On the flipside, 64 and 128meg parts for Thinkpad 600/770 series are still > stable for NOW. NECX has Kingston parts for $99.95 and $183.95 respectively. > (Warning, though, the 64meg part WAS $71.95 three weeks ago!!) I just ordered > and received 10 128meg upgrades (We pulled 5 64meg upgrades to boost a set > of X's and Z's (7au/8au) to 320megs each. > > > >IMO, its a temporary thing, but only if you really need more memory now.. > :-) > > In terms of desktop memory, I would definitely WAIT. In terms of Thinkpad > 600/770 series memory, GET IT NOW! > > >i just put a p-III 450 into one of my boxes at home and its a nice speed > pickup over the p-II 350... > >i rarely buy the top cpu.. :-) always last weeks top cpu at many $$ less.... > > I put a P3-600 in my main system. I'm a Hardware freak....... > > > > >David Ross wrote: > > > >> > FWIW, chip prices went up since labor day... > >> > 40% i'm told.. > >> > BUT, i don't think it is a long term trend.. > >> > >> I thought this was mainly SDRAM; I can't see why the (supposed) > production shortages in desktop chips should cause the DIMMs used in > >> laptops should go up. > >> > >> BTW, PIII-600 prices are slated to drop on September 12; the reason > (apparently) is that there > >> will be a new PIII-600 that can support a 133mhz side bus. I don't know > how long it will take before > >> this drop (or the one from a couple of weeks ago for slower chips) has > an impact on ThinkPad prices. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Sep 10 15:14:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16340 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17967; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17002; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16963; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:04:48 -0400 Received: from [12.79.14.103] by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990910190407.SABB17922@[12.79.14.103]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:04:07 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9562E.1510@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:04:14 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go References: <199909101759.MAA11213@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, PM4.0 will not run on my 760ED's never found out why. Install the DOS utilities, that should work, same as PM 3.0 which does work Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Hello, > > I was trying to use Partition Magic 4 on my TP 560x (Win 95) and it > gives me an error > > Init failed: Error 255 > > Some research lead me to believe that this is due to a mismatch of the > real drive geometry and what the OS reports. > > I have 993 C, 128 H, and 63 S apparently, but Win95 reports fewer ... > > Anyone have had similar problems? > > >>> Is there a way to get to the BIOS so that I can see what it sees > for the drive geometry or set it to possibly autodetect if that option > exists? > > This is the TP560x that came with a 4GB drive, two partitions of > 2GB. I blew one away and have been running linux on it. Windows > doesn't even see that partition and hence reports the drive to be only > 2GB big. > > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 15:22:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16423 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18978; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18345; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18331; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:20 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27748; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37D95937.66FE1296@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:11 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go References: <199909101759.MAA11213@europa.veggie.com> <37D9562E.1510@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: PartitionMagic 4.0 works on my 600 with 6.4GB drive. I did once screw up a partition somehow, perhaps with Linux's fdisk. After that, PartitionMagic couldn't run, not 3.02 or 4.0. I ended up rebuilding the whole drive. --Lee From cph Fri Sep 10 15:29:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16499 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:29:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20199; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19060; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19005; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:35 -0400 Received: from [12.79.14.103] by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990910192224.SIMR17922@[12.79.14.103]>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:22:24 +0000 Message-ID: <37D95A77.1C27@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:31 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington CC: Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go References: <199909101759.MAA11213@europa.veggie.com> <37D9562E.1510@worldnet.att.net> <37D95937.66FE1296@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > PartitionMagic 4.0 works on my 600 with 6.4GB drive. > > I did once screw up a partition somehow, perhaps with Linux's fdisk. > After that, PartitionMagic couldn't run, not 3.02 or 4.0. I ended up > rebuilding the whole drive. > > --Lee PM 4 (and the PM website) have some DOS utilities that can usually recover from that. Have had the experience, but got away with it! From cph Fri Sep 10 15:36:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16564 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20392; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:23:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19114; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19079; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:22:59 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11883; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:22:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301befbc1$e23f1f00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , References: <199909101429.JAA10801@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: ServicePac - extending warranty Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:22:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > About two months ago I extended my basic one year warranty on my > TP560x with IBM ServicePac for an additional 2 years. > > At the time I asked for my international warranty to be extended too, > which they said they would do (registering for international warranty Consider yourself lucky already. When I extended the warrantee on my 560 I was told that it absolutely did not include international coverage. - David PS - how do you like the new CD? From cph Fri Sep 10 15:36:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16568 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:36:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21859; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20304; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front4.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19656; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front4.grolier.fr (194.158.96.54 -> front4.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:26:13 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-175-154.velizy.club-internet.fr [195.36.175.154]) by front4.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id UAA25890 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003501befbbd$f30f27c0$9aaf24c3@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: Thinkpad 240 autonomy Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BEFBCE.B5377D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BEFBCE.B5377D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a new Thinkpad 240 since one week. It is very handy and light. = The real problem is autonomy of the battery. I tried to work on it = during my trip from Paris to Brussels in a rapid train TGV and the = battery went down before I reach Brussels. The trip time from Paris to = Brussels is 1:15. Hopefully it was not a trip to Amsterdam so I could = charge my battery in Brussels. It is really a very annoying problem with = this wonderfull machine.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BEFBCE.B5377D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a new Thinkpad 240 since one week. It is very = handy and=20 light. The real problem is autonomy of the battery. I tried to work on = it during=20 my trip from Paris to Brussels in a rapid train TGV and the battery went = down=20 before I reach Brussels. The trip time from Paris to Brussels is 1:15. = Hopefully=20 it was not a trip to Amsterdam so I could charge my battery in Brussels. = It is=20 really a very annoying problem with this wonderfull machine. =
 
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BEFBCE.B5377D60-- From cph Fri Sep 10 15:46:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16636 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:46:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22695; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22504; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22467; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:43:35 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA04040; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909101941.OAA04040@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga4-20.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.212) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002774; Fri Sep 10 14:23:08 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37D9343A.BB5CC0D2@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Off-topic items on auction (hold onto your hat!) List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >JC, et al., >Thanks for the interesting article.. ! > >on the old AOL classifieds, where ponzi and pyramid were words never >used, but where the essence of their meaning was rampant, there was no >apparent policing of the vendors.. (this is one reason, when i see >anyone with an AOL e-mail address (yes, i have one!, but i sure don't >use it) my caution is raised to a new and higher level)... >NOTE: i specifically do not include many good friends who have AOL >e-mail address's in the above, humorous (i hope) comment.. > >its nice, and i hope real, to read that e-bay is, in fact, doing >something, to prevent fraud... I hope it works. I am still smarting over the 6 buck CD I bought, which arrived broken and no refund. Allan > >i sure hope someone does not start a flame war over any of the above, so >advance apologies to anyone who is offended in any way by anything at >all in the foregoing comments.. :-) > >Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > >> About *interesting* (off-topic) on-line auctions, see: >> today's *entertaining* news: >> >> "Online Auctions Feature Odd, Illegal" >> >> at: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Auction-Anarchy.html >> >> Take note of the name of their "enforcement officer" >> so you can directly notify of suspected or proven fraud. >> >> = >> ________________________________________________________ >> NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. >roadwarriortrading.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills >or i just don't care.. :-) > > From cph Fri Sep 10 15:55:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16732 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23448; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:53:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23292; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eecs.uic.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23268; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eecs.uic.edu (131.193.32.27 -> mail.eecs.uic.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:53:24 -0400 Received: from chicago.ParSysLab (chicago.eecs.uic.edu [131.193.39.114]) by mail.eecs.uic.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13065; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by chicago.ParSysLab (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29060; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:53:11 -0500 To: chri07@club-internet.fr Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 240 autonomy From: Jon Solworth In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:43 +0200" <003501befbbd$f30f27c0$9aaf24c3@chri07> References: <003501befbbd$f30f27c0$9aaf24c3@chri07> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990910145311G.solworth@parsys> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:53:11 -0500 Sender: Jon Solworth X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 13 List-Unsubscribe: Do you know that there is an extended life battery? Its a bit larger than the existing battery, and while I haven't tested the time should last easily twice a long. Jon From: "Christophe Majewski" Subject: Thinkpad 240 autonomy Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:43 +0200 > I have a new Thinkpad 240 since one week. It is very handy and light. The real problem is autonomy of the battery. I tried to work on it during my trip from Paris to Brussels in a rapid train TGV and the battery went down before I reach Brussels. The trip time from Paris to Brussels is 1:15. Hopefully it was not a trip to Amsterdam so I could charge my battery in Brussels. It is really a very annoying problem with this wonderfull machine. > From cph Fri Sep 10 16:35:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17102 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:35:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26357; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25886; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25829; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (128.192.1.101 -> mailgw.cc.uga.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:22 -0400 Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by mailgw.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.011785CD@mailgw.cc.uga.edu>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:10:16 -0400 Received: from archa15.cc.uga.edu (arch15.cc.uga.edu [128.192.95.115]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26486 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:10:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (wwgraves@localhost) by archa15.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27024 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:10:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: archa15.cc.uga.edu: wwgraves owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: William Graves X-Sender: wwgraves@archa15.cc.uga.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 240 autonomy In-Reply-To: <19990910145311G.solworth@parsys> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have the extended batt for the 240. It is only a slight improvement. Its approx 2x the weight of the original batt (prevents the unit from sitting flat) and I get around 2 - 2.5 hrs out of it. Lots of $$$ for still mediocre run time. My unsolicited opinion of the 240: great keyboard, so so screen, not speedy, horrible battery life. But I can take it anywhere! Bill On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Jon Solworth wrote: > Do you know that there is an extended life battery? Its a bit larger > than the existing battery, and while I haven't tested the time should > last easily twice a long. > > Jon > > From: "Christophe Majewski" > Subject: Thinkpad 240 autonomy > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:43 +0200 > > > I have a new Thinkpad 240 since one week. It is very handy and light. The real problem is autonomy of the battery. I tried to work on it during my trip from Paris to Brussels in a rapid train TGV and the battery went down before I reach Brussels. The trip time from Paris to Brussels is 1:15. Hopefully it was not a trip to Amsterdam so I could charge my battery in Brussels. It is really a very annoying problem with this wonderfull machine. > > > From cph Fri Sep 10 21:11:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA18872 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08817; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08741; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08728; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:31 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA16758; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:10:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909110110.UAA16758@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga4-20.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.212) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016603; Fri Sep 10 20:09:23 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "aballard@ix.netcom.co" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37D95937.66FE1296@sls.lcs.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 760CD Docked: Reverb List-Unsubscribe: Since EZ serve replaced the sound slider bar on my 760CD, it wants to reverb badly when docked to a Dock II. Is there some way to resolve this? I turned off the Mic setting, and all is quiet for now..... Thanks. Allan Ballard From cph Fri Sep 10 22:29:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19453 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:29:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11208; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:28:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11112; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11099; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:28:10 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11755; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:59:24 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909110159.UAA11755@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: ServicePac - extending warranty To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001301befbc1$e23f1f00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> from "David Ross" at Sep 10, 99 09:22:54 am Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: David Ross writes: > > > About two months ago I extended my basic one year warranty on my > > TP560x with IBM ServicePac for an additional 2 years. > > > > At the time I asked for my international warranty to be extended too, > > which they said they would do (registering for international warranty > > Consider yourself lucky already. When I extended the warrantee on > my 560 I was told that it absolutely did not include international > coverage. Hi David, Well, I sure hope they will stick to it, otherwise I'll be very unhappy of all that run-around won't yield what they had promised ... > PS - how do you like the new CD? It definetly looks refurbished .. but seems to work under Win95 and Linux (just fired it up last night for the first time). Haven't tried the battery pack yet. I wish I could Partition Magic working with the TP. I'd like to rearrange/size my Linux/Win95 partitions eventually. Thanks again for pointing me to ONSALE. Next time, you come through Iowa City let me know, if I'm still around I'll get you some proven student fare at our local Chinese place as your finder fee:-) Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 22:46:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19486 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:46:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12089; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12008; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11995; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1.njit.edu (128.235.251.29 -> mail-gw1.njit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:18 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw1.njit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00032 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from random.njit.edu by homer.njit.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA22241; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:44:38 -0400 Received: (from marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA01030; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cd-rw Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have a thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, of course :-) ) and backing up data. For copying the music CDs, I want to use the DVD drive to read the music CD, and the CD-RW to record it. I have on order an Adaptec APA-1480A SCSI CardBus card, which I'm thinking about using to hook up the CD-RW. I've been doing some research trying to figure out what kind of CD-RW to get, but I'm a bit confused. Some people say that if you have a CD drive with an IDE interface (which is apparently the interface that my DVD drive uses), you can run into problems if you get a SCSI CD-RW because of some kind of incompatibility. But then I've also heard that if both drives have IDE interfaces, then this might cause problems also. Does anyone know anything about the possible problems? Can I avoid these problems if I get a CD-RW that uses a PCMCIA or parallel-port interface? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW I should get? I looked at IBM's Thinkpad Proven list, but there are no CD-RWs listed. Thanks in advance. Marvin From cph Fri Sep 10 22:55:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19494 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:55:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12778; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12696; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12682; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:41 -0400 Received: from [12.79.17.185] by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911025437.WFHD24367@[12.79.17.185]>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:54:37 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9C472.7665@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:54:43 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marvin Nakayama CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I use a similar setup, but in a SelectaDock 3. The problem with the IBM DVD drive is that it is not all that great at Digital Audio Extraction, which will cause you a world of problems. Since you have already ordered the SCSI card, your best bet is to buy a SCSI CD-R (the RW part is completely worthless, you'll never use a CD-RW since blank CD-R's are running around 90 cents a piece!) and put the drive into an external SCSI box, available almost anywhere. I am using a Teac 6X24 (NOT RW), and it works very well indeed. I use a Toshiba SCSI 40X CD-ROM drive in an external box as my source drive (told you the IBM DVD ain't that great). BTW, directCD can interfere with DVD, so that your DVD movies will no longer work properly (just another issue to deal with). Do a search on yahoo.com and dejanews.com for CD-R and you can get some idea of the success people have with various brands. GOing SCSI is a bit limiting, there is Ricoh (excellent), Yamaha (so-so), Teac (excellent), Sony (sucks) and a few others. BTW, even with my setup, I can oly copy audio CD-s at 4X - again the DAE is a limiting factor, and the Toshiba 40X SCSI is the best in the market at that. At 6X, I get under runs. Data and games (mixed data and audio tracks) copy OK at 6X, but probably would not with the IBM drive. EXP makes an external PCMCIA CD-RW, 2X4xsomething. There are several on ebay, you can getr one for around $260.00 But you still will have the problem of the source drive! Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > I have a thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, > of course :-) ) and backing up data. For copying the music CDs, > I want to use the DVD drive to read the music CD, and the CD-RW > to record it. I have on order an Adaptec APA-1480A SCSI CardBus > card, which I'm thinking about using to hook up the CD-RW. > > I've been doing some research trying to figure out what kind > of CD-RW to get, but I'm a bit confused. Some people say > that if you have a CD drive with an IDE interface (which > is apparently the interface that my DVD drive uses), you can > run into problems if you get a SCSI CD-RW because of some > kind of incompatibility. But then I've also heard that > if both drives have IDE interfaces, then this might cause > problems also. > > Does anyone know anything about the possible problems? > Can I avoid these problems if I get a CD-RW that uses a > PCMCIA or parallel-port interface? > Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > I should get? I looked at IBM's Thinkpad Proven list, > but there are no CD-RWs listed. > > Thanks in advance. > > Marvin From cph Fri Sep 10 23:00:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19511 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13211; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13128; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13110; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:19 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11828; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:59:29 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909110259.VAA11828@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:59:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37D9562E.1510@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowtz" at Sep 10, 99 03:04:14 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Bruce Markowtz writes: > > Yes, PM4.0 will not run on my 760ED's never found out why. Install the > DOS utilities, that should work, same as PM 3.0 which does work Hmm .. I ran PM from the rescue disk which presents a DOS GUI, is that what you mean? In any case, I get error Partition table error #120 now. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 23:02:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19519 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13531; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13349; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13316; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:45 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA11839; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:00:39 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909110300.WAA11839@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu (I Lee Hetherington) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37D95937.66FE1296@sls.lcs.mit.edu> from "I Lee Hetherington" at Sep 10, 99 03:17:11 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > I did once screw up a partition somehow, perhaps with Linux's fdisk. > After that, PartitionMagic couldn't run, not 3.02 or 4.0. I ended up > rebuilding the whole drive. Ick .. I hope to avoid that .. at some point I will have to give my linux partition a bit more space. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Sep 10 23:43:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19640 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:43:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15355; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15262; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15233; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:42:07 -0400 Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA25869; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01befc07$9a0aeb10$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: , "Marvin Nakayama" Cc: References: <37D9C472.7665@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: cd-rw Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:41:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: Just another view, but, CDRW drives are becoming more common and the media has dropped dramatically in price. For example, 2 weeks ago CompUSA had their brand of Ricoh (IDE) CDR/CDRW recorder 4x4x20 on sale (with software) for $149. SCSI drives tend to be more expensive but the features parallel the IDE drives. Last week they had a 25 disc spindle of CDRW (4x) media for less than $30. Packet formatted CDRW media can be read in a multiread or DVD drive without closing the disc as is required in the case of CDR and it is rewriteable. In time I don't think you'll see new CD recorders that are just CDR. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Markowtz To: Marvin Nakayama Cc: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 22:54 Subject: Re: cd-rw > I use a similar setup, but in a SelectaDock 3. > The problem with the IBM DVD drive is that it is not all that great at > Digital Audio Extraction, which will cause you a world of problems. > Since you have already ordered the SCSI card, your best bet is to buy a > SCSI CD-R (the RW part is completely worthless, you'll never use a CD-RW > since blank CD-R's are running around 90 cents a piece!) and put the > drive into an external SCSI box, available almost anywhere. > I am using a Teac 6X24 (NOT RW), and it works very well indeed. I use a > Toshiba SCSI 40X CD-ROM drive in an external box as my source drive > (told you the IBM DVD ain't that great). BTW, directCD can interfere > with DVD, so that your DVD movies will no longer work properly (just > another issue to deal with). > Do a search on yahoo.com and dejanews.com for CD-R and you can get some > idea of the success people have with various brands. GOing SCSI is a bit > limiting, there is Ricoh (excellent), Yamaha (so-so), Teac (excellent), > Sony (sucks) and a few others. > BTW, even with my setup, I can oly copy audio CD-s at 4X - again the DAE > is a limiting factor, and the Toshiba 40X SCSI is the best in the market > at that. At 6X, I get under runs. Data and games (mixed data and audio > tracks) copy OK at 6X, but probably would not with the IBM drive. > EXP makes an external PCMCIA CD-RW, 2X4xsomething. There are several on > ebay, you can getr one for around $260.00 > But you still will have the problem of the source drive! > > Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > > > I have a thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, > > of course :-) ) and backing up data. For copying the music CDs, > > I want to use the DVD drive to read the music CD, and the CD-RW > > to record it. I have on order an Adaptec APA-1480A SCSI CardBus > > card, which I'm thinking about using to hook up the CD-RW. > > > > I've been doing some research trying to figure out what kind > > of CD-RW to get, but I'm a bit confused. Some people say > > that if you have a CD drive with an IDE interface (which > > is apparently the interface that my DVD drive uses), you can > > run into problems if you get a SCSI CD-RW because of some > > kind of incompatibility. But then I've also heard that > > if both drives have IDE interfaces, then this might cause > > problems also. > > > > Does anyone know anything about the possible problems? > > Can I avoid these problems if I get a CD-RW that uses a > > PCMCIA or parallel-port interface? > > Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > > I should get? I looked at IBM's Thinkpad Proven list, > > but there are no CD-RWs listed. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Marvin > From cph Fri Sep 10 23:49:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19666 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:49:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15787; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15705; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15692; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:48:42 -0400 Received: from bp ([12.77.218.27]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911034840.UPKL29082@bp>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:48:40 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9D1AB.1786@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:51:07 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marvin Nakayama CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, With my 770 series ThinkPads I use the Backpack cd-rw connected to parallel port. Works well/ Adaptec 1460a or 1460b is the one to use. I do not think the 1480 will work. Birger From cph Sat Sep 11 00:11:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19729 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17440; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17361; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17348; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:09:25 -0400 Received: from dante04.u.washington.edu (williams@dante04.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.6]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA31848; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:09:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id VAA110596; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:09:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: Birger Petterson cc: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <37D9D1AB.1786@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The Adaptec 1480A works fine with my 770ED. I borrowed my brothers LaCie CD-R drive and hooked it up with no problems. The reason I picked it was bus mastering (lower CPU usage), lower power, and 32bit vs 16bit. The negatives are only Win 95/98/Nt support. I plan on getting a CD-RW soon. Also, what's wrong with the DVD Digital Audio Extraction? John On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Birger Petterson wrote: > Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > > > I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, > > With my 770 series ThinkPads I use the Backpack cd-rw connected to > parallel port. Works well/ > Adaptec 1460a or 1460b is the one to use. I do not think the 1480 will > work. > > Birger > From cph Sat Sep 11 00:25:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19769 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:25:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18076; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17981; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17968; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:22:47 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-135.usc.edu [128.125.223.135]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA26354 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:22:16 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: cd-rw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:44 PM 09/10/1999 -0400, you wrote: >I've been doing some research trying to figure out what kind >of CD-RW to get, but I'm a bit confused. Some people say >that if you have a CD drive with an IDE interface (which >is apparently the interface that my DVD drive uses), you can >run into problems if you get a SCSI CD-RW because of some >kind of incompatibility. But then I've also heard that >if both drives have IDE interfaces, then this might cause >problems also. A baloney. Though in general, I would say that SCSI is preferable over IDE, if for no other reason than the simple fact that SCSI doesn't take so much CPU overhead to work (and overhead equals buffer underruns and "coasters"--CDR's that failed to record properly and are worthless). I have an IDE CD-ROM and a SCSI CDR. I used to have an IDE CDR also and had no problems. Also, its nice to have a CDRW, but you'll quickly find that you never use the re-writeables--CDR's are so cheap that there's no point to using CDRW's. Especially when a lot of CD-ROM drives out there simply can't read the RW's. So if it comes to a choice between the two and you can save a few bucks with the non-rewriteable, you're not giving up anything. The IDE CDRW (2X) I had was fine, but when I replaced it with an 8X CDR (SCSI), all I noticed was the increased writing speed--I've never missed the lack of re-writeability. >Does anyone know anything about the possible problems? >Can I avoid these problems if I get a CD-RW that uses a >PCMCIA or parallel-port interface? That'll just make it worse. Parallel CDRW's are a coaster-maker waiting to happen. >Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW >I should get? Take a look at the newsgroups...comp.cdr or something like that. You'll find out a lot. Stick with certain name brands...Yamaha is good, HP is only good in the 8000 series. Smart & Friendly is well-regarded. I can't remember the others. - Randy From cph Sat Sep 11 06:50:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA20784 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:50:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14762; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14683; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14670; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (24.2.9.66 -> ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:48:35 -0400 Received: from pent500 ([24.112.37.101]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990911104833.SJWC7515.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@pent500>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:48:33 -0700 X-Sender: valliant@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:42:32 -0400 To: Esmail Bonakdarian , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go In-Reply-To: <199909101759.MAA11213@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <19990911104833.SJWC7515.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@pent500> List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA20785 Good Morning, When I had this problem in my TP 75x, 76x days , I resent the Printer type in the BIOS to single direction or something like that.... change it from EPP or other high speed to the slowest speed... Hope this helps. Hugh > >Hello, > >I was trying to use Partition Magic 4 on my TP 560x (Win 95) and it >gives me an error > > Init failed: Error 255 > >Some research lead me to believe that this is due to a mismatch of the >real drive geometry and what the OS reports. > >I have 993 C, 128 H, and 63 S apparently, but Win95 reports fewer ... > >Anyone have had similar problems? > >>>> Is there a way to get to the BIOS so that I can see what it sees >for the drive geometry or set it to possibly autodetect if that option >exists? > >This is the TP560x that came with a 4GB drive, two partitions of >2GB. I blew one away and have been running linux on it. Windows >doesn't even see that partition and hence reports the drive to be only >2GB big. > > >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak >                              \\\\!////                             \\  _ _  //                              (  @ @  ) -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------                   MI-COM Technology         Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway                   Hugh A. Valliant        Bus.  (416) 726-5355   Fax. (416) 699-3847          E-mail         valliant@micomtech.com valliant@mi-comtech.com              http://www.mi-comtech.com/ ICQ UIN 4366968 From cph Sat Sep 11 09:41:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21040 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19865; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19767; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19745; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:52 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.74]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911133948.DLIO24367@compaq>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:39:48 +0000 Message-ID: <37D97A9C.B08@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:39:40 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Briganti CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: <37D9C472.7665@worldnet.att.net> <000f01befc07$9a0aeb10$0100a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently available drives. Packet writing on blank CD-R takes about one minute to format on a 6X CD-R,and can be read almost anywhere, and costs 90 cents. What is the need for RW? It will become a dead format, the betamax of computers. Robert Briganti wrote: > > Just another view, but, CDRW drives are becoming more common and the media > has dropped dramatically in price. For example, 2 weeks ago CompUSA had > their brand of Ricoh (IDE) CDR/CDRW recorder 4x4x20 on sale (with software) > for $149. SCSI drives tend to be more expensive but the features parallel > the IDE drives. Last week they had a 25 disc spindle of CDRW (4x) media for > less than $30. Packet formatted CDRW media can be read in a multiread or > DVD drive without closing the disc as is required in the case of CDR and it > is rewriteable. > > In time I don't think you'll see new CD recorders that are just CDR. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Markowtz > To: Marvin Nakayama > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 22:54 > Subject: Re: cd-rw > > > I use a similar setup, but in a SelectaDock 3. > > The problem with the IBM DVD drive is that it is not all that great at > > Digital Audio Extraction, which will cause you a world of problems. > > Since you have already ordered the SCSI card, your best bet is to buy a > > SCSI CD-R (the RW part is completely worthless, you'll never use a CD-RW > > since blank CD-R's are running around 90 cents a piece!) and put the > > drive into an external SCSI box, available almost anywhere. > > I am using a Teac 6X24 (NOT RW), and it works very well indeed. I use a > > Toshiba SCSI 40X CD-ROM drive in an external box as my source drive > > (told you the IBM DVD ain't that great). BTW, directCD can interfere > > with DVD, so that your DVD movies will no longer work properly (just > > another issue to deal with). > > Do a search on yahoo.com and dejanews.com for CD-R and you can get some > > idea of the success people have with various brands. GOing SCSI is a bit > > limiting, there is Ricoh (excellent), Yamaha (so-so), Teac (excellent), > > Sony (sucks) and a few others. > > BTW, even with my setup, I can oly copy audio CD-s at 4X - again the DAE > > is a limiting factor, and the Toshiba 40X SCSI is the best in the market > > at that. At 6X, I get under runs. Data and games (mixed data and audio > > tracks) copy OK at 6X, but probably would not with the IBM drive. > > EXP makes an external PCMCIA CD-RW, 2X4xsomething. There are several on > > ebay, you can getr one for around $260.00 > > But you still will have the problem of the source drive! > > > > Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > > > > > I have a thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > > > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, > > > of course :-) ) and backing up data. For copying the music CDs, > > > I want to use the DVD drive to read the music CD, and the CD-RW > > > to record it. I have on order an Adaptec APA-1480A SCSI CardBus > > > card, which I'm thinking about using to hook up the CD-RW. > > > > > > I've been doing some research trying to figure out what kind > > > of CD-RW to get, but I'm a bit confused. Some people say > > > that if you have a CD drive with an IDE interface (which > > > is apparently the interface that my DVD drive uses), you can > > > run into problems if you get a SCSI CD-RW because of some > > > kind of incompatibility. But then I've also heard that > > > if both drives have IDE interfaces, then this might cause > > > problems also. > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about the possible problems? > > > Can I avoid these problems if I get a CD-RW that uses a > > > PCMCIA or parallel-port interface? > > > Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > > > I should get? I looked at IBM's Thinkpad Proven list, > > > but there are no CD-RWs listed. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Marvin > > From cph Sat Sep 11 09:43:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21047 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:43:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20047; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19963; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19899; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:41 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.74]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911134138.DMBO24367@compaq>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: <37D97B0A.5A55@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:41:30 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: Birger Petterson , Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The speed at which a drive does DAE dictates how fast/well it can copy audio tracks/audio CD-s. The faster the better. The IBM, in my use, was only good for around a 4X copy, even on a fast CD-R drive. J. Williams wrote: > > The Adaptec 1480A works fine with my 770ED. I borrowed my brothers LaCie > CD-R drive and hooked it up with no problems. The reason I picked it was > bus mastering (lower CPU usage), lower power, and 32bit vs 16bit. The > negatives are only Win 95/98/Nt support. > > I plan on getting a CD-RW soon. > > Also, what's wrong with the DVD Digital Audio Extraction? > > John > > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Birger Petterson wrote: > > > Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > > > > > I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU) with an internal IBM DVD drive, > > > and I want to get a CD-RW for copying music CDs (for personal use only, > > > > With my 770 series ThinkPads I use the Backpack cd-rw connected to > > parallel port. Works well/ > > Adaptec 1460a or 1460b is the one to use. I do not think the 1480 will > > work. > > > > Birger > > From cph Sat Sep 11 10:23:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21172 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:23:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21572; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21498; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21485; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:22:41 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.147]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911142238.ZFVG29082@compaq>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:22:38 +0000 Message-ID: <37D984A6.26E4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:22:30 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Briganti CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> <005b01befc5f$ae08fd70$0100a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, you are correct, my thinking has changed. The Ricoh was a first generation CD-RW. I now have a Teac 6X24. The difference is just astounding. I was never happy with packet writing on the Ricoh, with the Teac it is just like using a giant floppy, only faster! The Ricoh was a bit media sensitive (if you go the the store or the show, they sell "4X", 8X, etc media). The Teac is not at all media sensitive - it writes good tracks on any media I have tried, even disks that the salesman said are 2X only! The ONLY benefit of RW is that you can erase it and write it again, but how much of a benefit is it at that price point? The fastest RW I have seen is 4X, and I for one would no longer wish to give up the speed. At 6X, CD-R is a really viable backup and general use drive. I wish I had bought the 8X (but then, I only paid $200 for this drive, the 8X was closer to $400 at the time). Before I bought it, I looked on the newsgroups. The Yamaha has gotten some bad press, as has the Sony. People only seem to say good things about the Teac, so I went with it. I must have something like 25 blank RW disks around (yes, they are cheap now), but I never use them at all = never really did. I just don't see the point, since you can't read them on all CD drives, and you can get 2 blank CD=R for the price of one RW in general. Anyway, that's my opinion at the moment, always subject to change! Robert Briganti wrote: > > I guess time has changed your thinking, unless there's another Bruce > Markowitz on the list. On March 21, 1999, scosgt@worldnet.att.net said: > > "The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW > The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems > to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and > Creative 2X can not." > > I've attached the message containing the quote to refresh your memory. > > Also, the cost difference between CDR ($US 0.90) and CDRW ($US 1.20) is not > significant. And preformatted discs are now being sold. > > Please, say what you want, but realize there are other opinions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Markowitz > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 00:39 > Subject: Re: CD-R/RW > > > The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW > > The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems > > to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and > > Creative 2X can not. > > Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station > > or PCMCIA SCSI. > > > > Andrew Webber wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > > > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > > > > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > > > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > > > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > > >And forget parallel port. > > > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > > > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > > > > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > > > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > > > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > > > write. > > > > > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > > > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > > > > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > > > > > andrew > > > ------ > > > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: Re CD-RRW.eml > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822 > Encoding: 7bit From cph Sat Sep 11 11:54:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21450 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:54:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24400; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24292; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24259; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA94478; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37DA7AE8.804987C7@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net CC: Robert Briganti , scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw and one opinion FWIW References: <37D9C472.7665@worldnet.att.net> <000f01befc07$9a0aeb10$0100a8c0@desktop> <37D97A9C.B08@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce... and all others.. an interesting thought..! and one that i totally agree with.. i'm just waiting for DVD CD-R, and maybe DVD-CD-RW.. :-) more to the point of the thread, and FWIW, i've two boxes (not TP's) i use daily.. and a seperate CD duplicator that is connected to one box (same box has an older h/p CD-RW.. (never used the RW part yet, see bruces comments) my suggestion is a seperate box, if $$ permits, just set up to do whats needed.. to be honest, i've never understood docking stations when a PC box is so cheap and home networks so easily set up.. personally, i would not cause myself more headache trying to make do with one cpu when decent hardware is so cheap and you can't easily carry all that stuff with you anyway.. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format > the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently > available drives. Packet writing on blank CD-R takes about one minute to > format on a 6X CD-R,and can be read almost anywhere, and costs 90 cents. > What is the need for RW? It will become a dead format, the betamax of > computers. **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 12:05:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21490 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25543; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:04:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25452; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25426; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:04:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA302190; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37DA7D84.1B153F0E@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:04:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Off-topic items on auction (hold onto your hat!) References: <199909101941.OAA04040@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan... if i say more, without many many pre-apologies for any wisp of a disagreeable thought to any overly sensitive lurker, i'll get flames, veiled threats, overt threats, and may subject the list to another unwanted flame war, BUT... :-) this is the problem with sites like e-bay, and i don't see a policing "arm" paying much attention to a $6 complaint.. while my experiences on e-bay have been mostly positive, its only due to my being more careful and cynical.. IMO 9876 positive feedbacks on $1 baseball cards does not qualify a seller when dealing with a $4k thinkpad (or the like)... Allan Ballard wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:39:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >JC, et al., > >Thanks for the interesting article.. ! > > **SNIP** > > >its nice, and i hope real, to read that e-bay is, in fact, doing > >something, to prevent fraud... > > I hope it works. I am still smarting over the 6 buck CD I bought, > which arrived broken and no refund. > > Allan **SNIP SOME MORE** > > > > >Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > >> About *interesting* (off-topic) on-line auctions, see: > >> today's *entertaining* news: > >> > >> "Online Auctions Feature Odd, Illegal" > >> > >> at: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Auction-Anarchy.html > >> > >> Take note of the name of their "enforcement officer" > >> so you can directly notify of suspected or proven fraud. > >> > >> = > >> ________________________________________________________ > >> NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > >> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > >> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > >roadwarriortrading.com > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames from the emotionally > challenged, > >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > >or i just don't care.. :-) > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 12:08:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21505 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:08:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26010; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25914; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25901; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:07:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA317568; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37DA7E4D.349F0F29@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:07:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "aballard@ix.netcom.co" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD Docked: Reverb References: <199909110110.UAA16758@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan.. check your audio settings.. its unlikely ezserve did anything negative to cause this.. Allan Ballard wrote: > Since EZ serve replaced the sound slider bar on my 760CD, it wants > to reverb badly when docked to a Dock II. > > Is there some way to resolve this? I turned off the Mic setting, and all > is quiet for now..... > > Thanks. > Allan Ballard -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 12:29:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21563 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:29:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27520; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27382; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27369; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:13 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME ([209.198.81.63]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10633 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909111628.MAA10633@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from [209.198.81.63] 209.198.81.63 Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:38:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37D9C472.7665@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: cd-rw X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: >CD-R (the RW part is completely worthless, you'll never use a CD-RW since >blank CD-R's are running around 90 cents a piece!) It depends on what you are doing. I use RW disks all the time to store copes of database files that keep growing, as documents are archived. The paper goes and the information can never be recovered again, so copies are important. Its about 6 CDs now and I don't see any logic in buring piles of cheap CDs that will be redundant when the its time to archive by catagory. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Sat Sep 11 12:59:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21657 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29031; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28938; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28917; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA45594; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowitz cc: Robert Briganti , scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <37D97A9C.B08@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format > the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently > available drives. Packet writing on blank CD-R takes about one minute to > format on a 6X CD-R,and can be read almost anywhere, and costs 90 cents. > What is the need for RW? It will become a dead format, the betamax of > computers. 45 mins Bill? Even the Yamaha 1x RW, 2x R takes 10 minutes only to format a blank CD-RW and 1 minute for the quick format. And i got this drive 2.5 years ago. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sat Sep 11 13:03:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21678 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29580; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29505; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front7.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29492; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front7.grolier.fr (194.158.96.57 -> front7.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:03:00 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-113-216.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.113.216]) by front7.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id TAA23996 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:02:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002f01befc77$7eee3240$d8719ec2@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: Thinkpad IR connection to Motorola tri-band mobile phone Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:02:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEFC88.40C42220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEFC88.40C42220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do not arrive to get connected my Thinkpad 240 to Thinkpad 240 = Infrared port. The port is active it recognises Motorola L device the = small icons on the bar are blinking and they will not connect. I think I = need a driver from Motorola or I am doing something wrong. Any hints will oblige. Christophe Chri07@club-internet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEFC88.40C42220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not arrive to get connected my Thinkpad 240 to = Thinkpad=20 240 Infrared port. The port is active it recognises Motorola L device = the small=20 icons on the bar are blinking and they will not connect. I think I need = a driver=20 >from Motorola or I am doing something wrong.
Any hints will oblige.
Christophe
Chri07@club-internet.fr
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BEFC88.40C42220-- From cph Sat Sep 11 13:10:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21704 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00229; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00130; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00112; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:09:49 -0400 Received: from [12.79.12.120] by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911170944.MCYA17922@[12.79.12.120]>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:09:44 +0000 Message-ID: <37DA8CDD.4B47@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:09:49 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bruce Markowitz , Robert Briganti , Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You never upgraded your version of DirectCD. The first version did a fast format, the newer versions take forever! Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format > > the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently > > available drives. Packet writing on blank CD-R takes about one minute to > > format on a 6X CD-R,and can be read almost anywhere, and costs 90 cents. > > What is the need for RW? It will become a dead format, the betamax of > > computers. > > 45 mins Bill? Even the Yamaha 1x RW, 2x R takes 10 minutes only > to format a blank CD-RW and 1 minute for the quick format. And i got this > drive 2.5 years ago. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sat Sep 11 13:12:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21709 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:12:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00552; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00320; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00283; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:10:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA45819; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: letoured@sover.net cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <199909111628.MAA10633@pike.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 letoured@sover.net wrote: > >CD-R (the RW part is completely worthless, you'll never use a CD-RW since > >blank CD-R's are running around 90 cents a piece!) > > It depends on what you are doing. > > I use RW disks all the time to store copes of database files that keep > growing, as documents are archived. The paper goes and the information can > never be recovered again, so copies are important. Its about 6 CDs now and > I don't see any logic in buring piles of cheap CDs that will be redundant > when the its time to archive by catagory. Yep, that's true... I only have one CD-RW disk, the one that came with my Philips OmniWriter 26 SCSI drive which is really a Ricoh 6200i. It has never failed a burn yet on over the 3000 CD's I have burned so far. I use a CD-RW to do the master of my own audio compilations using the Terratec EWS 64XL Professional Quality soundcard to sample before I copy it to a CD-R for myself. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sat Sep 11 13:14:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21724 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:14:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00958; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00882; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00869; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:13:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA45840; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowtz cc: Bruce Markowitz , Robert Briganti , Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <37DA8CDD.4B47@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Bruce Markowtz wrote: > You never upgraded your version of DirectCD. The first version did a > fast format, the newer versions take forever! Correction. If you followed the Adaptec CD-R Mailing list, I am not on version 1.0a or 1.1 which came with the drive. I am on 2.0. It isn't the new versions take forever. Did you upgrade the firmware on your CD-RW to the most recent release? The HyCD CD-RW formatter is a lot faster than the DirectCD in formatting though but this shows that it's not a CD-RW limitation on speed but rather a software issue. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sat Sep 11 13:31:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21754 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:31:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01924; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01826; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01805; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:30:21 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1341.uhb.fr [192.134.240.30]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id TAA20167 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:30:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37DA93BC.1D01@uhb.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:39:08 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: IBM Microdrive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm sure some of you have heard about this new marvel (170 or 340Mb in a 4x2cm disk that you can plug into a "drive" the size of Type II PC Card which you plug into one of your TP's PCMCIA slot). Well, since I live in France, where this widget won't be available before god knows when (and at what price ?!), I was wondering if anyone knows where I can order one of these in the US. Thanks. From cph Sat Sep 11 13:36:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21765 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:36:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02609; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02462; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02432; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:04 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa49.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.49]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25105 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909111735.NAA25105@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa49.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.49] 207.136.202.49 Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:23:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37D97A9C.B08@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: cd-rw X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: >Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format >the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently available >drives. Packet writing on blank CD-R takes about one minute to format on >a 6X CD-R,and can be read almost anywhere, and costs 90 cents. What is >the need for RW? It will become a dead format, the betamax of computers. Why do you have to format a CD? We don't under OS2 using RSJ CD Writer. I burn 600+ mb in 30 minutes with a 2x writer (Ricoh 6200). And the CDs can be read everywhere I've tried. There is a Windoz version; www.rsj.de -- but I've never looked at it. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Sat Sep 11 13:41:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21792 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03201; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03052; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03035; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:39:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA383646; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: <37DA93DA.A0A6F70E@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:39:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Valliant CC: Esmail Bonakdarian , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go References: <19990911104833.SJWC7515.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@pent500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't see how the parallel port settings in the bios can have anything to do with the drive geometry.. (though with win9x, who can say for sure WHATs going on inside!) in any event, win9x has trouble with some drives on some thinkpads when the geometry is not quite right.. case in point was the early 770 and the 8.1gig drive.. the thinkpad option drive had very slightly different geometry than the OEM drive of the same model number.. the result was win95 and 98 did not correctly that OEM drive when used on a thinkpad 770.. result was dos compatability mode.. no problems with warp or NT (or linux i suppose) had been reported by those who tested the drives.. and a simple bios overlay would fix the problem.. comes now the 14gig drives, and while the same disparity between the thinkpad option drive and the OEM drive exists, the drives all work fine.. i have yet to experience any problems using PQM4.. the best thing i can suggest here is to be sure the bios is up to date.. Hugh Valliant wrote: > Good Morning, > > When I had this problem in my TP 75x, 76x days , I resent the Printer > type in the BIOS to > single direction or something like that.... change it from EPP or other > high speed to the slowest > speed... > > Hope this helps. > > Hugh > > > > >Hello, > > > >I was trying to use Partition Magic 4 on my TP 560x (Win 95) and it > >gives me an error > > > > Init failed: Error 255 > > > >Some research lead me to believe that this is due to a mismatch of the > >real drive geometry and what the OS reports. > > > >I have 993 C, 128 H, and 63 S apparently, but Win95 reports fewer ... > > > >Anyone have had similar problems? > > > >>>> Is there a way to get to the BIOS so that I can see what it sees > >for the drive geometry or set it to possibly autodetect if that option > >exists? > > > >This is the TP560x that came with a 4GB drive, two partitions of > >2GB. I blew one away and have been running linux on it. Windows > >doesn't even see that partition and hence reports the drive to be only > >2GB big. > > > > > >---- > >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > > > > \\\\!//// > \\ _ _ // > ( @ @ ) > -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- > > MI-COM Technology > Computer Solutions for Small Business > Helping you access and travel the Information Highway > > Hugh A. Valliant > > Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 > > E-mail valliant@micomtech.com > valliant@mi-comtech.com > http://www.mi-comtech.com/ > ICQ UIN 4366968 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 13:42:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21800 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:42:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03566; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03416; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03402; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JFU8ZY4IDS9SVTF7@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:41:39 MST Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:40:08 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: cd-rw In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JFUANWEWHE9SVTF7@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <37DA8CDD.4B47@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: One source of info I think is pretty good is www.fadden.com/cdrfaq ... Billy Y.. From cph Sat Sep 11 14:42:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22009 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:42:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06014; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05897; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05874; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA08750; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAA22F.6BC35F45@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:40:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive References: <37DA93BC.1D01@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i've heard of, and seen pictures, but not seen one.. i had thought them too small for notebook use.. PDS's OTH, and other really tiny palmwhatevers are a great target for these.. if you really want one, let me know and i'll see whats available.. Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > I'm sure some of you have heard about this new marvel (170 or 340Mb in a > 4x2cm disk that you can plug into a "drive" the size of Type II PC Card > which you plug into one of your TP's PCMCIA slot). > > Well, since I live in France, where this widget won't be available > before god knows when (and at what price ?!), I was wondering if anyone > knows where I can order one of these in the US. > > Thanks. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 15:02:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22086 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:02:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06979; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06901; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06867; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08888 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAA6F9.A0DB8DA4@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: setting up redhat on my 600.. what atre the video settings..?? :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 15:19:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22163 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:19:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07741; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07661; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07648; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:20 -0400 Received: from dante33.u.washington.edu (williams@dante33.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.215]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA17288 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:17:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante33.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.08) with ESMTP id MAA80960 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:17:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Intellimouse and 770ED Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi I'm having problems setting up an Intellimouse and my 770ED. Is it possible to get an Intellimouse to work with Thinkpads? I have not been able to get the Wheel to function properly. I tried both PS2 and serial ports. The Auto disable function doesn't help with the wheel. I would like to be able to use the third trackpoint button (blue) and the wheel as the same time; is this possible? Does the OS matter? Anyone have any luck? Also, after I removed the Intellimouse drivers I haven't been able to get the drag selection to work with the Trackpoint. If I select the standard mouse, it works but the 3rd Trackpoint button doesn't. I already re-installed the trackpoint drivers with no luck. Is there anything else I should do? Thanks, John From cph Sat Sep 11 16:02:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22297 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09444; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09356; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09341; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA155768 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37DAB502.2580DC1F@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:01:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 600 video settings are.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TQG38.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 16:24:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22339 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:24:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10434; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10357; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10344; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:23:23 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.50.32]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id NAA03793 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DABAC9.75016077@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:25:45 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive References: <37DA93BC.1D01@uhb.fr> <37DAA22F.6BC35F45@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've handled them before. They are electrically Compact Flash compatible, although they are slightly thicker than normal, hence the CF Type II moniker. As superfloppies they would be ideal, as well as for PDA and digital camera use. Unfortunately they are not likely to be affordable for the first use yet, and they're not available in volume for the second use either. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > i've heard of, and seen pictures, but not seen one.. > i had thought them too small for notebook use.. > PDS's OTH, and other really tiny palmwhatevers are a great target for > these.. > > if you really want one, let me know and i'll see whats available.. > > Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > > > I'm sure some of you have heard about this new marvel (170 or 340Mb in a > > 4x2cm disk that you can plug into a "drive" the size of Type II PC Card > > which you plug into one of your TP's PCMCIA slot). > > > > Well, since I live in France, where this widget won't be available > > before god knows when (and at what price ?!), I was wondering if anyone > > knows where I can order one of these in the US. > > > > Thanks. > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or > i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Sep 11 17:49:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA22645 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13188; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:48:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13093; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13067; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.21 -> asimov.dns-host.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:47:55 -0400 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA05043 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01befc9f$62b6cf60$73443589@ohsu.edu> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: CD-RW backup Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:48:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 1999 Sep 11 To: Thinkpad List From: AC Brown Subj: CD-RW backup The point made in this discussion about the importance of being able to read backup files on another machine should not be overlooked (if your computer is stolen, destroyed, or repossessed, you want to be able to access your files on another machine), but the statement that cd-rw disks are not readable on ordinary cd-rom drives is not accurate. Using a special program, UDF Reader, UDF-format files created by Adaptec DirectCD (furnished with many cd-rw drives) can be read on many ordinary cd-rom drives. The reader program is available for download without charge from the Adaptec web site www.adaptec.com/support/files/upgrades. It installs as a driver and works automatically whenever a cd-rw disk is accessed. I've tried the UDF Reader program on cd-rw disks created on a Thinkpad 570 (Adaptec 1480 scsi card, PlexWriter RW4/2/20, and DirectCD) and it works well with the Thinkpad cd-rom drive in an Ultrabase on the TP 570 under Win98 and with a Compaq Deskpro with a built-in cd-rom and Win95. I now use cd-rw as my backup medium. Cd-r would not be practical as I do incremental backups at least twice a day (doesn't everyone?). I do use cd-r for a complete backup about once a month to get a frozen picture of my system. Both cd-r and cd-rw are useful, but cd-rw is far superior for frequent incremental backups. Comparing cd-rw as a backup medium with the SyJet I previously used (before SyQuest went bankrupt), cd-rw is slower and more "fussy" to use, but the cost per megabyte is much less, the disks are non-proprietory and widely available, and cd-rom readers are almost universal in case of need. Arthur Brown From cph Sat Sep 11 18:56:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22911 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15516; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:55:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15438; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15425; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:55:11 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.15.107]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990911225508.QVKF17922@compaq>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:55:08 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9FCC6.3331@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:55:02 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AC Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-RW backup References: <005d01befc9f$62b6cf60$73443589@ohsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Only multi-read drives can read CD-RW. Most drives made in the last year or two, and all DVD drives, are multi-read. Older drives are not. The packet reader is for reading packet written CD-RW disks, but the drive still needs to be multi-read. AC Brown wrote: > > Date: 1999 Sep 11 > To: Thinkpad List > From: AC Brown > Subj: CD-RW backup > > The point made in this discussion about the importance of being able to > read backup files on another machine should not be overlooked (if your > computer is stolen, destroyed, or repossessed, you want to be able to > access your files on another machine), but the statement that cd-rw > disks are not readable on ordinary cd-rom drives is not accurate. Using > a special program, UDF Reader, UDF-format files created by Adaptec > DirectCD (furnished with many cd-rw drives) can be read on many ordinary > cd-rom drives. > > The reader program is available for download without charge from the > Adaptec web site www.adaptec.com/support/files/upgrades. It installs > as a driver and works automatically whenever a cd-rw disk is accessed. > > I've tried the UDF Reader program on cd-rw disks created on a Thinkpad > 570 (Adaptec 1480 scsi card, PlexWriter RW4/2/20, and DirectCD) and it > works well with the Thinkpad cd-rom drive in an Ultrabase on the TP 570 > under Win98 and with a Compaq Deskpro with a built-in cd-rom and Win95. > > I now use cd-rw as my backup medium. Cd-r would not be practical as I > do incremental backups at least twice a day (doesn't everyone?). I do > use cd-r for a complete backup about once a month to get a frozen > picture of my system. Both cd-r and cd-rw are useful, but cd-rw is far > superior for frequent incremental backups. > > Comparing cd-rw as a backup medium with the SyJet I previously used > (before SyQuest went bankrupt), cd-rw is slower and more "fussy" to use, > but the cost per megabyte is much less, the disks are non-proprietory > and widely available, and cd-rom readers are almost universal in case > of need. > > Arthur Brown From cph Sat Sep 11 19:18:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22995 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:18:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16285; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16189; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16175; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:03 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA05298 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:16:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909112316.SAA05298@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga4-20.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.212) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005257; Sat Sep 11 18:16:41 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <005d01befc9f$62b6cf60$73443589@ohsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-RW backup List-Unsubscribe: While the ease of use of CD for backing up files can not be discounted, I find the absolute best backup method is to simply clone the drive to an identical drive placed within the ultrabay. This can be done either with DOS or via PM's Drivecopy. Likely there are other methods/applications to clone drives. IN this manner, I can make a bootable exact copy of my entire drive and data files so there is no need to perform an incremental backup. It takes a 760CD with a p90 about 25 minutes to clone a 3.0 gig drive. Obviously, the cloned drive is stored in a safe place seperate from the thinkpad. Allan Ballard Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:48:28 -0700, AC Brown wrote: >Date: 1999 Sep 11 >To: Thinkpad List >From: AC Brown >Subj: CD-RW backup > >The point made in this discussion about the importance of being able to >read backup files on another machine should not be overlooked (if your >computer is stolen, destroyed, or repossessed, you want to be able to >access your files on another machine), but the statement that cd-rw >disks are not readable on ordinary cd-rom drives is not accurate. Using >a special program, UDF Reader, UDF-format files created by Adaptec >DirectCD (furnished with many cd-rw drives) can be read on many ordinary >cd-rom drives. > >The reader program is available for download without charge from the >Adaptec web site www.adaptec.com/support/files/upgrades. It installs >as a driver and works automatically whenever a cd-rw disk is accessed. > >I've tried the UDF Reader program on cd-rw disks created on a Thinkpad >570 (Adaptec 1480 scsi card, PlexWriter RW4/2/20, and DirectCD) and it >works well with the Thinkpad cd-rom drive in an Ultrabase on the TP 570 >under Win98 and with a Compaq Deskpro with a built-in cd-rom and Win95. > >I now use cd-rw as my backup medium. Cd-r would not be practical as I >do incremental backups at least twice a day (doesn't everyone?). I do >use cd-r for a complete backup about once a month to get a frozen >picture of my system. Both cd-r and cd-rw are useful, but cd-rw is far >superior for frequent incremental backups. > >Comparing cd-rw as a backup medium with the SyJet I previously used >(before SyQuest went bankrupt), cd-rw is slower and more "fussy" to use, >but the cost per megabyte is much less, the disks are non-proprietory >and widely available, and cd-rom readers are almost universal in case >of need. > >Arthur Brown > > From cph Sun Sep 12 00:42:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA24015 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:41:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11854; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11724; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11710; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:40:41 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-051.usc.edu [128.125.225.51]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA09228 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990911212924.03ca8e50@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:40:02 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CD-RW backup In-Reply-To: <199909112316.SAA05298@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> References: <005d01befc9f$62b6cf60$73443589@ohsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: All this talk about CD-RW (or CDR's) as backup really has me at a loss! I remember patiently feeding floppies into a drive to do the occasional backup of a 100 MB ESDI drive on a whipping-fast 386DX-20. ;-) I also remember the day we bought a tape drive for it--which held a whopping 250 MB (compressed--which meant it was 120 MB uncompressed, and I typically go about 200 MB onto a tape). I loved that tape drive for the simple reason that I didn't have to sit and feed floppies to the damn machine. Just set the software, run the tape, and walk away. Come back when its done. Of course, a tape capable of 200 MB was great when the drive we had was 100 MB in size, but that quickly got old. I thought I was in heaven when I bought a 2 GB SCSI DAT drive. Whoopee--now I designated one tape for each month of the year, did a full backup at the beginning of the month, and incrementals at least every week during the month. Then went to a new tape for the next month. It was fabulous. But of course...even a 2 GB DAT tape (which I manage to get around 3 GB onto with compression) doesn't suffice now that 13 GB HD's are practically the entry point for a new computer. Okay, so here's my beef: CD's hold about 650 MB of raw data. Even if you have it compressed, you're looking at somewhere around 1 GB, perhaps a bit more, getting stuffed onto a disk. I know the media is cheap at $1 each (or $3 to $5 for CDRW), but it seems to me I'd be taking a step back--akin to the floppy-swapping I used to do eons ago, having to change out new CDR's (or RW's) as each one becomes full in the backup process. Am I the only one that sees this as a major drawback to using CDR's for regular backup? Next question for those of you using CD's as a backup medium: What software / techniques do you use? Is there some backup software that will write to CD's? Does it do compression & the works? Media-spanning? Tell me all about it. I'd be far more interested if the good backup tools available actually recognized CDR's, but I don't know of them. I'm really eager to hear what people have to say to these issues. - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Sep 12 01:18:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA24045 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:18:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13681; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:17:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13592; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13579; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:17:46 -0400 Received: from [12.79.14.198] by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990912051739.SGMB24367@[12.79.14.198]>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <37DB3779.3531@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:17:45 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: CD-RW backup References: <005d01befc9f$62b6cf60$73443589@ohsu.edu> <4.1.19990911212924.03ca8e50@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I use Backup Exec from Seagate (now Veritas). It writes to both CD-R and RW. It also has the ability to make a rescue disk - bootable disk that restores a full backup set from the DOS prompt. It does compress, I usually get around 1.1 - 1.2 gig per disk. Remembner that when doing a backup you don't need to back ip the programs - you can always re-install MS Office, you just need a copy of the files. With a 6X CD-R, it is a clean and fast process. Around 1+ hours to do a full backup (and verify, of course) of the 8GIG on a 770. A far cry from the days of tape! Randal Whittle wrote: > > All this talk about CD-RW (or CDR's) as backup really has me at a loss! > > I remember patiently feeding floppies into a drive to do the occasional > backup of a 100 MB ESDI drive on a whipping-fast 386DX-20. ;-) I also > remember the day we bought a tape drive for it--which held a whopping 250 > MB (compressed--which meant it was 120 MB uncompressed, and I typically go > about 200 MB onto a tape). I loved that tape drive for the simple reason > that I didn't have to sit and feed floppies to the damn machine. Just set > the software, run the tape, and walk away. Come back when its done. > > Of course, a tape capable of 200 MB was great when the drive we had was > 100 MB in size, but that quickly got old. I thought I was in heaven when I > bought a 2 GB SCSI DAT drive. Whoopee--now I designated one tape for each > month of the year, did a full backup at the beginning of the month, and > incrementals at least every week during the month. Then went to a new tape > for the next month. It was fabulous. > > But of course...even a 2 GB DAT tape (which I manage to get around 3 GB > onto with compression) doesn't suffice now that 13 GB HD's are practically > the entry point for a new computer. > > Okay, so here's my beef: CD's hold about 650 MB of raw data. Even if you > have it compressed, you're looking at somewhere around 1 GB, perhaps a bit > more, getting stuffed onto a disk. I know the media is cheap at $1 each > (or $3 to $5 for CDRW), but it seems to me I'd be taking a step back--akin > to the floppy-swapping I used to do eons ago, having to change out new > CDR's (or RW's) as each one becomes full in the backup process. Am I the > only one that sees this as a major drawback to using CDR's for regular backup? > > Next question for those of you using CD's as a backup medium: What > software / techniques do you use? Is there some backup software that will > write to CD's? Does it do compression & the works? Media-spanning? Tell > me all about it. I'd be far more interested if the good backup tools > available actually recognized CDR's, but I don't know of them. > > I'm really eager to hear what people have to say to these issues. > > - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Sep 12 01:57:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA24089 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:57:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14634; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:56:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14560; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14547; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:56:52 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.199] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFD0485024A; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:53:20 -0400 Message-ID: <007201befce3$e49b20a0$811182cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Current pricing on 755's/WTB Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:47:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEFCC0.BDBAAA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEFCC0.BDBAAA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'd like to know first off, if anyone *has* a 755 for sale. I'm not = 100% sure on models yet, but this is what I'm looking for: -100Mhz DX/4 -32mb ram ->800mb HDD -10.4" TFT SVGA(800x600) I believe that this is a variation of the 755CX. I would *very* much = like the cdrom and tuner card as well. Feel free to send me any offer = along with spec's, etc. If you don't have one for sale, what can I = expect to pay for the above used in decent condition? Thanks! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEFCC0.BDBAAA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    I'd like to know = first off, if=20 anyone *has* a 755 for sale. I'm not 100% sure on models yet, but this = is what=20 I'm looking for:
-100Mhz DX/4
-32mb ram
->800mb HDD
-10.4" TFT SVGA(800x600)
 
I believe that this is a variation of = the 755CX. I=20 would *very* much like the cdrom and tuner card as well. Feel free to = send me=20 any offer along with spec's, etc. If you don't have one for sale, what = can I=20 expect to pay for the above used in decent condition?
 
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-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEFCC0.BDBAAA00-- From cph Sun Sep 12 02:16:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA24110 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:16:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15339; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:14:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15215; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15200; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.131 -> wya-lfd67.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:13:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 1588 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1999 06:13:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990912061352.1587.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:13:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Coupla things about Redhat 6.0 & Linux Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:13:50 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6332e88d_99ed37e$7243206b" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6332e88d_99ed37e$7243206b Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Bill (& other people installing Linux on TP) , You may have already done this, but here are a couple of files I got from somewhere..? On Thinkpad Settings and the Redhat XConfig. These files may not be 100% correct for your machine, but they allowed me to get the feel of how it all worked and what to edit etc. These files are actually the Xconfig files that people posted. I think the file is found in /usr/lib/xFree86/xconfig or somewhere like that.. Also, If you get sick of gnome re-spawning every time you log out of it, Edit the /etc/inittab file and # out the spawn line (at the end of the file) Cheers - chickendude. PS - bill sorry about not having a name. My mum was an unnamed SCSI card and I find it very hard to be recognised by anyone.. PPS - I have recently posted a poor attempt at logging my attempts on 760CD with Redhat. It's only half finished, because Geocities told me I only had a coupla days before I lost my space, as I hadn't worked on my site in ages etc... Check the following http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/4310/tp_rant_1.htm It's pretty pathetic right now, but I will be adding my step by steps for all those interested in Linux. I am still learning about basic things like getting pcmcia working etc. Cheers! Cheers! chickendude ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bill Morrow To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:01:13 -0400 setting up redhat on my 600.. what atre the video settings..?? :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_6332e88d_99ed37e$7243206b Content-Type: text/plain; name="760cd012997.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="760cd012997.txt" Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Multisync" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync 30-64 VertRefresh 50-100 Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 Modeline "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync Modeline "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync Modeline "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync Modeline "1280x1024" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 Modeline "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064 Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1416 1664 1024 1027 1030 1064 Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan Modeline "320x240" 12.588 320 336 384 400 240 245 246 262 Doublescan Modeline "320x240" 15.750 320 336 384 400 240 244 246 262 Doublescan ModeLine "400x300" 18 400 416 448 512 300 301 602 312 Doublescan Modeline "400x300" 20 400 416 480 528 300 301 303 314 Doublescan Modeline "400x300" 25 400 424 488 520 300 319 322 333 Doublescan ModeLine "480x300" 21.656 480 496 536 616 300 301 302 312 Doublescan Modeline "480x300" 23.890 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan Modeline "480x300" 25 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan Modeline "480x300" 29.952 480 504 584 624 300 319 322 333 Doublescan EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "My Video Card" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "Generic Multisync" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "800x600" "1024x768" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 1152 900 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x400" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 640 400 EndSubsection EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "Generic Multisync" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "Generic Multisync" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "accel" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "Generic Multisync" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "800x600" "1024x768" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 1152 900 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x400" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 640 400 EndSubsection EndSection ------=_NextPart_000_6332e88d_99ed37e$7243206b Content-Type: text/plain; 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List-Unsubscribe: >So I am asking for people to submit their experiences to the list. > IBM wanted to bill me $3.2K for my 701. And it too was returned in pieces The display was only connected by the flex cable, and if I remember correctly, they had some parts in a bag. And I was very surprised to get this kind of service. It ended up after I complained to offices for the manager of the PC division, they replaced everything except I think 2 flex cables. Basically a new machine. Unfortunately, I don't know if I want to send in my 760ED yet or not, as I need a new keyboard. =( From cph Sun Sep 12 05:21:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24486 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:21:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03816; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:19:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03285; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03164; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:19:25 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p37.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.226]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04046; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120917.CAA04046@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "A Kumar" , "Jim Michael" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 02:16:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZ Serve!!!! List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT), Jim Michael wrote: > >I have slowly watched the situation with EZ Serv evolve from a first rate >system which provided uncompromising service to this sorry state of >affairs. If IBM is not trying to kill the Thinkpad, it is doing a damn >fine job of it right now. My next laptop purchase will more than likely >be a different brand. I don't like the keyboards on Dells, but I won't >settle for second class service. And that goes for corporate purchases as >well. I couldn't agree with you more. This is the fourth ThinkPad I own now (third used one), but both tech support AND Easy Serve suck. I had problems hibernating with the newer thin hard drives in OS/2, Win98, NT 4, Win 2K, etc. I called about 5 times, and got 5 different answers. Along with 3 new hard drives - and nobody bothered to mention that a simple BIOS upgrade would fix the problem. If they're phone support is that bad, I'd hate to imagine how Easy Serve is at this point. From cph Sun Sep 12 05:23:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24490 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:23:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04681; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04245; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04070; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:21:45 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p37.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.226]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04054; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120921.CAA04054@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 02:19:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM's drive fitness test - anyone tried it? List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:11:40 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I finally got this to work by getting another copy - first version must have been corrupted. >As far as I can tell this is a very nice utility, that all TP owners should keep around. Ditto for >the (windows only) SMART drive software at the same site (though it is annoying that the latter installs itself in the startup >directory). Sometimes I find that the EZ Smart util hangs on my 701 (currently using a DYKA-22110 9.5mm), other times it works fine. One util I think everyone should check out is called power booster. It's supposed to save power by switching the hard drive to low power mode, or moving the heads (so the electromagnet isn't always on). And I agree, it is annoying to have it install in the startup folder without asking you. From cph Sun Sep 12 05:31:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24506 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:31:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08127; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:29:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07623; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07462; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:29:32 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p37.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.226]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04070; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120929.CAA04070@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jonathan Berry" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 02:27:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 List-Unsubscribe: >Recently, a second battery which had a pretty good rating >(about 2:40 if I recall) suddenly stopped working. The >Configuration Utility variously says "battery not installed" or >"defective battery", and two of the four contacts on the >battery are slightly discoloured (one is more green, the other >is more bronze). I guess that it shorted or maybe the chip >inside the battery itself fried. Is there any chance of >reviving this battery? If not, is the dead battery worth >anything? > You might try using the battery reset program. I forgot the exact site, but with request, I can pull the email with the link (or the actual file) off my SPARC. I tried it in my machine, and the battery works. I had an error where it said it was 98% charged, but if I removed the AC adapter, the machine would turn on and off until I either remove the battery, or use the adapter again. > > >I believe that the heaviest electrical draw for a laptop is the >screen, then the processor and then the hard drive. Upgrading >from 8 meg to 40 meg RAM didn't seem to have any effect on >battery life! > This should also depend on what you're running. Not to mention power management - personally, I think the hard drive would be the biggest power waste if not managed efficiently. >The 701 has a switch (Fn-F3) to turn off the screen and another >(Fn-F6) to turn off the hard drive. However, Win95 is always >turning the drive on again for its own purposes (I recall that >OS/2 was better behaved in that regard, among others). Actually, this really annoyed me - if I did either Fn-F3, F6, or closed the panel, the hard drive would go to low power mode. Then, if the OS made a call to the drive, it would turn on, then off when it was done. And this got so annoying. I found this happened more in OS/2. Right now I have Windows 95 on my 701 (for about 2 months now, before I had OS/2 4.0 on for nearly 3 years). All in all, I've been using my 701 now for Win32 apps more than my desktop, despite the desktop having DVD, almost 3 times as much RAM, and 3-4 times faster... And >pressing any key will turn the screen on again, so you can't do >a super-long touch-typing session on battery power. "Would >have been nice." > Out of all my machines (excluding the TP300), my 701 has the shortest battery life. Even my 760 with 1 battery lasts longer (I have both in 90% of the time, and I get 2-5 hours runtime). From cph Sun Sep 12 05:34:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24523 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:34:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09413; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:33:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08820; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08757; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:32:50 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p37.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.226]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04090; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120931.CAA04090@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 02:30:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - 32MB memory? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:57:17 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 at 12:07 PM you, "Paul Khoury" , >said: > >>Does anyone know a good place to get the 32MB upgrade for the 701? I've >>been looking around the other night, and the price seems to have went up. > >Have you been able to find anything? I checked with >www.thechipmerchant.com (which used to have it for about $60), but they >said they are no longer carrying this item. > >www.coastmemory.com appears to sell it at $90 (gee, that's expensive for a >32MB module!). I've been noticing that it's been quite pricey lately. Which is unfortunate, since being a student once again, cash is hard to come by... I'm just surprised also at how much the 8MB upgrade for my TP300 is now (was about 40 bucks a year ago, now over 100) From cph Sun Sep 12 05:44:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24537 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:44:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11107; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11034; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11021; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:43:46 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p37.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.226]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04142 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120943.CAA04142@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 02:41:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Microdrive List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:39:08 +0200, Sylvestre Meininger wrote: >I'm sure some of you have heard about this new marvel (170 or 340Mb in a >4x2cm disk that you can plug into a "drive" the size of Type II PC Card >which you plug into one of your TP's PCMCIA slot). > This might be slightly off-topic, but since this drive is Compact Flash compliant/compatible, with an adapter, would it work in say an HP200LX? I'm assuming it would work fine in older ThinkPads as well... From cph Sun Sep 12 12:43:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA02354 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:43:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21689; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:42:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21499; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21486; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> pop.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:42:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 3779 invoked by alias); 12 Sep 1999 16:41:55 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 3756 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 1999 16:41:53 -0000 Received: from dialupcc230.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (216.161.245.230) by sttl1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 16:41:53 -0000 From: "p machule" To: Subject: Re: Current pricing on 755's/WTB and TV Tuner Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:43:04 -0700 Message-ID: <01befd3d$e22d3b00$5df4a1d8@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: The 755CX with 800*600 display does not work with the TV tuner. I called IBM -Canada about it but they had no clue . It does turn on and there is a picture for a fraction of a second but that is it . Sound does work though ;-} ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Slip To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:57 PM Subject: Current pricing on 755's/WTB Hi there, I'd like to know first off, if anyone *has* a 755 for sale. I'm not 100% sure on models yet, but this is what I'm looking for: -100Mhz DX/4 -32mb ram ->800mb HDD -10.4" TFT SVGA(800x600) I believe that this is a variation of the 755CX. I would *very* much like the cdrom and tuner card as well. Feel free to send me any offer along with spec's, etc. If you don't have one for sale, what can I expect to pay for the above used in decent condition? Thanks! -Jamie From cph Sun Sep 12 13:08:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA02451 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:08:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22615; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22537; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22521; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [207.121.52.154] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD05229400EC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004901befd41$93da2040$9a3479cf@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Ok, anyone with a 760Ex for sale? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:09:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEFD20.0B6805E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEFD20.0B6805E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just posted a WTB for the 755, and it seems that no-one here has one = for sale. So now I'd like to know if anyone has a 760Ex for sale. I'd = like to have the 133 or 150Mhz model, but e-mail with whatever you have! = Preferably at least a gig HDD and 4x cdrom with 800x600 screen. I could = easily go to the web and find a 760, but this seems to be the apropriate = place to ask. :-) Just so it's known, I'm an honest buyer and have had no problems with = anyone in the past.=20 Contact me personally if you wish at 717-597-9501. Thank you. -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEFD20.0B6805E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just posted a WTB for the 755, and it = seems that=20 no-one here has one for sale. So now I'd like to know if anyone has a = 760Ex for=20 sale. I'd like to have the 133 or 150Mhz model, but e-mail with whatever = you=20 have! Preferably at least a gig HDD and 4x cdrom with 800x600 screen. I = could=20 easily go to the web and find a 760, but this seems to be the apropriate = place=20 to ask. :-)
 
Just so it's known, I'm an honest buyer = and have=20 had no problems with anyone in the past.
 
Contact me personally if you wish at=20 717-597-9501.
 
Thank you.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BEFD20.0B6805E0-- From cph Sun Sep 12 14:13:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02666 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:13:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24868; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24760; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24746; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5.grolier.fr (194.158.96.55 -> front5.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:11:59 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-175-136.velizy.club-internet.fr [195.36.175.136]) by front5.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id UAA17456 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003001befd4a$4bf04f80$88af24c3@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: IR port configuration Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:11:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEFD5B.0DDD22C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEFD5B.0DDD22C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have already the driver from Mptorola mobile L7089 but my Thinkpad 240 = does not link infrared conection despite that the device is recognised = and active. Seems that IR is active on COM4 and LPT1 and Motorola modem on COM1. Any hints will oblige. Chri-07@club-internet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEFD5B.0DDD22C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have already the driver from Mptorola mobile L7089 = but my=20 Thinkpad 240 does not link infrared conection despite that the device is = recognised and active.
Seems that IR is active on COM4 and LPT1 and = Motorola modem on=20 COM1.
Any hints will oblige.
Chri-07@club-internet.fr
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEFD5B.0DDD22C0-- From cph Sun Sep 12 17:47:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA03392 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:47:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03438; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:45:45 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03275; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:45:43 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id RAA05784 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21162; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:12:36 -0400 Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01222; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:12:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01befc5f$ae08fd70$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: , "Andrew Webber" Cc: References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: CD-R/RW Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:12:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEFC3E.26DAD4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEFC3E.26DAD4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess time has changed your thinking, unless there's another Bruce Markowitz on the list. On March 21, 1999, scosgt@worldnet.att.net said: "The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and Creative 2X can not." I've attached the message containing the quote to refresh your memory. Also, the cost difference between CDR ($US 0.90) and CDRW ($US 1.20) is not significant. And preformatted discs are now being sold. Please, say what you want, but realize there are other opinions. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Andrew Webber Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 00:39 Subject: Re: CD-R/RW > The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW > The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems > to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and > Creative 2X can not. > Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station > or PCMCIA SCSI. > > Andrew Webber wrote: > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > >And forget parallel port. > > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > > write. > > > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > > > andrew > > ------ > > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow > ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEFC3E.26DAD4C0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re CD-RRW.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re CD-RRW.eml" Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail.iex.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24814 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01712; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01682; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01656; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.82]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990321044058.BJPA1671@770>; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:40:58 +0000 Message-ID: <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:34 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-UIDL: 8bcec5466508e7f96f4fd5b7bf76ce0d The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and Creative 2X can not. Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station or PCMCIA SCSI. Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >And forget parallel port. > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > write. > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEFC3E.26DAD4C0-- From cph Sun Sep 12 17:52:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA03416 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:52:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03938; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:52:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03854; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03841; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:51:55 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.53.190]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990912215152.FTGV17922@compaq>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:51:52 +0000 Message-ID: <37DB3F71.52E0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:51:45 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Briganti CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-R/RW References: <199903210317.WAA05838@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> <36F47806.3118@worldnet.att.net> <005b01befc5f$ae08fd70$0100a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I responded to this yesterday. You are a bit behind the times. Robert Briganti wrote: > > I guess time has changed your thinking, unless there's another Bruce > Markowitz on the list. On March 21, 1999, scosgt@worldnet.att.net said: > > "The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW > The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems > to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and > Creative 2X can not." > > I've attached the message containing the quote to refresh your memory. > > Also, the cost difference between CDR ($US 0.90) and CDRW ($US 1.20) is not > significant. And preformatted discs are now being sold. > > Please, say what you want, but realize there are other opinions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce Markowitz > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 00:39 > Subject: Re: CD-R/RW > > > The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW > > The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems > > to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and > > Creative 2X can not. > > Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station > > or PCMCIA SCSI. > > > > Andrew Webber wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > > > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > > > > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > > > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > > > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > > >And forget parallel port. > > > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > > > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > > > > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > > > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > > > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > > > write. > > > > > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > > > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > > > > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > > > > > andrew > > > ------ > > > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: Re CD-RRW.eml > Part 1.2 Type: message/rfc822 > Encoding: 7bit From cph Sun Sep 12 21:28:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04239 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:28:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11801; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:26:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11670; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11657; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (207.88.248.142 -> gibraltar.globalstar.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:26:50 -0400 Received: from globalstar.com ([207.88.152.118]) by nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5C66; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:26:32 -0700 Sender: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" Message-ID: <37DC52E4.7B63CA1F@globalstar.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:27:00 -0700 From: Paritosh Dixit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The Trackpoint on my TP600 starts to creep and move to one end (typically the upper left edge) and then it is impossible to drag it back. The pointer gets stuck to that position on the screen and then starts to drift all over with rapid motion like someone was dragging it to the edges and almost pushing it against the edge of the screen. There is tremendous resistance in controlling tha trackpoint when this starts to happen. This bizzare behavior has suddenly appeared and it comes and goes at random, however recently it has rendered the trackpoint completely useless. The problem is worsened by the fact that now I am no longer able to use the trackpoint to disable (or set it on auto mode) so that I can circumvent this problem by attaching an external mouse. Any suggestions ? - Lapi From cph Sun Sep 12 22:37:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04569 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:37:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14957; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:35:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14819; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14804; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:35:50 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:23 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-178.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.178]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001001befd90$a79f3760$27cafea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: Intellimouse and 770ED Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:35:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-178.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.178] List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Charles & Melinda McDaniel To: J. Williams Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Intellimouse and 770ED >I tried to get a wheel mouse to work on my TP 755 can while it will work >like a normal mouse it won't scroll at all I installed the newest drivers >and still nothing I figure it's got to do with the Trackpoint and it >conflicting somewhere.. >if you a find solution let me know. >Charles McDaniel >-----Original Message----- >From: J. Williams >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 2:22 PM >Subject: Intellimouse and 770ED > > >>Hi >> >>I'm having problems setting up an Intellimouse and my 770ED. Is it >>possible to get an Intellimouse to work with Thinkpads? I have not been >>able to get the Wheel to function properly. I tried both PS2 and serial >>ports. The Auto disable function doesn't help with the wheel. I would like >>to be able to use the third trackpoint button (blue) and the wheel as the >>same time; is this possible? Does the OS matter? Anyone have any luck? >> >>Also, after I removed the Intellimouse drivers I haven't been able to get >>the drag selection to work with the Trackpoint. If I select the standard >>mouse, it works but the 3rd Trackpoint button doesn't. I already >>re-installed the trackpoint drivers with no luck. Is there anything else >>I should do? >> >>Thanks, John >> >> > From cph Sun Sep 12 22:40:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04584 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:40:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15337; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:38:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15151; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15125; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:38:24 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:24:56 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-178.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.178]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:24:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01befd91$03175aa0$27cafea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: Ok, anyone with a 760Ex for sale? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-178.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.178] List-Unsubscribe: well I saw several 755's on e-bay for sale, that's where I got mine at.. and some 7's -----Original Message----- From: Slip To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: Ok, anyone with a 760Ex for sale? I just posted a WTB for the 755, and it seems that no-one here has one for sale. So now I'd like to know if anyone has a 760Ex for sale. I'd like to have the 133 or 150Mhz model, but e-mail with whatever you have! Preferably at least a gig HDD and 4x cdrom with 800x600 screen. I could easily go to the web and find a 760, but this seems to be the apropriate place to ask. :-) Just so it's known, I'm an honest buyer and have had no problems with anyone in the past. Contact me personally if you wish at 717-597-9501. Thank you. -Jamie From cph Sun Sep 12 23:04:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04686 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:04:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16658; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16555; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16542; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:21 -0400 Received: by SPR_MAIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:05:15 -0500 Message-ID: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014886@BIGRED> From: Greg Langham To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'penzance@icanect.net'" Subject: Docking Stations: (Was cd-rw and one opinion FWIW) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:03:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: > to be honest, i've never understood docking stations when a PC box is so cheap and > home networks so easily set up.. Interesting quote. I agree that there are reasons to have separate machines for separate purposes (such as writing CD's). However, I disagree that there isn't a need for docking stations. I used to have two machines provided by my company - one for work and one for the house. The problem is maintaining both. I could never remember which machine had the latest version of xyz software and I was always updating software, transfering data from work to home, etc. My Thinkpad solved these problems. I now just bring my machine home and continue working. I have one machine with everything I need - no matter where I'm at. When I'm at the office, a dock is a must. I use a separate video card in the office (for my SGI flatpanel), a PCI network card, and for my keyboard and mouse. By far it's the best of both worlds. If you work from one location most of the time, a dock might not make sense. But for my situation, it's the only way to go. Greg From cph Mon Sep 13 00:51:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05132 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:51:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21593; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21240; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21226; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:48:28 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA28647 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:48:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lai-ca4b-227.ix.netcom.com(209.110.245.227) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028550; Sun Sep 12 23:47:50 1999 Message-ID: <37DC8165.74DD8E3A@shbinstruments.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:45:25 -0700 From: Barry Megdal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just put a DVD drive and Margi DVD-to-Go card on my TP600 266, and now I find that the system won't properly come out of standby..I just get a black screen with a text-mode cursor. If I remove the DVD-to-Go card it works OK. My daughter's TP 570 often does the same thing, without a DVD drive or card. Both are running Win98 2nd edition, with latest IBM drivers (at least on the 600). Any ideas? Thanks. - Barry -- Dr. Barry Megdal shb Instruments, Inc. 19215 Parthenia St., Suite A Northridge, CA 91324 (818) 773-2000 (818) 773-2005 fax Dept. of Electrical Engineering California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA From cph Mon Sep 13 01:10:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05171 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:10:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22307; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22135; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22122; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (216.122.33.164 -> kimnor.lightrealm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:16 -0400 Received: from thinkpad600e (ppp9.students.su.se [193.10.145.9]) by psykolog.nu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA19208; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:03:02 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: , "Barry Megdal" Subject: RE: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:04:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37DC8165.74DD8E3A@shbinstruments.com> List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA05172 According to IBM the suspend mode does not funtion properly when you have a PCMCIA/PC-card inserted in your computer. Best regards, -----Original Message----- From: Barry Megdal [mailto:bmegdal@shbinstruments.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:45 AM To: Subject: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 Just put a DVD drive and Margi DVD-to-Go card on my TP600 266, and now I find that the system won't properly come out of standby..I just get a black screen with a text-mode cursor. If I remove the DVD-to-Go card it works OK. My daughter's TP 570 often does the same thing, without a DVD drive or card. Both are running Win98 2nd edition, with latest IBM drivers (at least on the 600). Any ideas? Thanks. - Barry -- Dr. Barry Megdal shb Instruments, Inc. 19215 Parthenia St., Suite A Northridge, CA 91324 (818) 773-2000 (818) 773-2005 fax Dept. of Electrical Engineering California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA From cph Mon Sep 13 02:53:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA05431 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:53:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25702; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:47:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25380; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25327; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:46:28 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-42.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.42]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA24029 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990913024707.01315e10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:47:07 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Docking Stations: (Was cd-rw and one opinion FWIW) In-Reply-To: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014886@BIGRED> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:03 PM 09/12/1999 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >> to be honest, i've never understood docking stations when a PC box is so >cheap and >> home networks so easily set up.. > >Interesting quote. I agree that there are reasons to have separate machines >for separate purposes (such as writing CD's). > >However, I disagree that there isn't a need for docking stations. I used to >have two machines provided by my company - one for work and one for the >house. The problem is maintaining both. I could never remember which >machine had the latest version of xyz software and I was always updating >software, transfering data from work to home, etc. This is extremely correct. Our consultants and consultants/contractors >from other organizations I've encountered internally swear by laptops and docking stations as their saviours (and we swear by Thinkpads. We use them, know them and recommend them). I use a dock at home. If a consultant is working long term at a client's site, I usually negotiate a docking station/port replicator there in the place of a PC. If that solution isn't available, we will usually resort to just connecting straight to their network or running a networked laptop alongside a desktop unit. In the extreme case a client is paranoid about network security and we aren't allowed full access via laptops, we will use the desktop as the development station, but all files are local to the laptop which is then shared with the desktop. We run a NT server box here, and when our consultants touch homebase (all 6 of 'em....whoa), they routinely back up their crucial datafiles to the server which is archived every night. When docked, we also have a cheap celly system with a CDR in it and will archive individual data files every month or so for static snapshots of our progress and data files and we're paranoid about our data dammit! But all files which are used/changed are on the laptops (All are password protected as a SOP, and some even encrypt their HDs or files). The laptops are our homebase. >My Thinkpad solved these problems. I now just bring my machine home and >continue working. I have one machine with everything I need - no matter >where I'm at. Yep. Consultants can work on site, come into the office and work, or take their work home with them. >When I'm at the office, a dock is a must. I use a separate video card in >the office (for my SGI flatpanel), a PCI network card, and for my keyboard >and mouse. We use 17"-21" monitors at the office. A few of the true geeks here beg for graphic accelerators and SB Live cards daily. :) A few gems here I let get away with anything. :) We do need our afterhours Q3 sessions! Plus I find they work MUCH better when they know at night and on some nose to the grind sessions, the boss doesn't mind breaking away for some intense fraggage, pizza and our staple chinese food (The place around the corner knows us by voice!). 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 13 08:02:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA06364 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:02:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24154; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23510; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23493; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:57:10 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08516; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DCE681.66B01FA0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:56:49 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hi-Young Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Barry Megdal Subject: Re: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi-Young Kim wrote: > According to IBM the suspend mode does not funtion properly when you have a PCMCIA/PC-card inserted in your computer. Huh? In general or just with Win98 SE? I use suspend all the time with Win98 with PC cards. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Sep 13 08:51:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA06529 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:51:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27095; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:45:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26603; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrex.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26588; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrex.net (209.42.192.246 -> mail.intrex.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:45:03 -0400 Received: from dayspring.net [209.42.199.174] by intrex.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3705D250112; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37DCF11E.7EB6D23B@dayspring.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:06 -0400 From: Morris Lewis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help with Thinkpad References: <199909131233.IAA22165@astro.cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > I recently bought a Dock II for my IBM Thinkpad 750. Everything on the > docking station works fine, except (after I opened the case to install a > > CD-ROM) the external keyboard and mouse doesn't work. I assumed that > maybe I knocked some internal connector loose (because it did work > before I installed the CD-ROM), but I don't see anything loose in > there. The symptom is that regardless of whether I have a keyboard or > mouse or both plugged into the docking station, the computer doesn't > recognize it and just uses the built-in keyboard and the built-in > trackpoint. I do notice that the mouse port on the computer itself > still works fine - both for mice and for keyboards. > > Does anyone have an idea??? From cph Mon Sep 13 11:15:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07322 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:15:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09142; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08802; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08788; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14675; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:13:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go In-Reply-To: <199909110259.VAA11828@europa.veggie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I don't have my documentation with me, but I think that is an error with partition table order. The problem is that linux fdisk puts partitions in the table in the order entered, while partition magic expects them to be in the order they appear on the disk. I think this is a DOS limitation, so any MICROSO~1 product will have trouble with partitions past the first out-of-order entry, but I may be wrong. Once fdisk has worked on your partion table, partition magic is probably history. If there is a way of fixing this without reformatting, and without creating even bigger problems I would be interested. In my case, I'm just living without partition magic. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Bruce Markowtz writes: > > > > Yes, PM4.0 will not run on my 760ED's never found out why. Install the > > DOS utilities, that should work, same as PM 3.0 which does work > > Hmm .. I ran PM from the rescue disk which presents a DOS GUI, is that > what you mean? In any case, I get error Partition table error #120 > now. > > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > From cph Mon Sep 13 12:58:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07994 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:58:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16842; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16624; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16610; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:40 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02943 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003701befe08$0f16d2a0$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Fw: Intellimouse and 770ED Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: As I recall, you will have to remove the Intellipoint driver in Device Manager and then reinstall the trackpoint. I did it a while back successfully. There was an official IBM document saying you have to go back to Microsoft and find out how to do the uninstall cleanly, but this turned out to be nonsense -- the Intellimouse software does uninstall completely without difficulty. From cph Mon Sep 13 13:02:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08025 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:02:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17395; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:55:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17226; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17186; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:59 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a264.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.138]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18927 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909131654.MAA18927@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a264.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.138] 209.198.81.138 Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:16:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37DCE681.66B01FA0@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: >> According to IBM the suspend mode does not funtion properly when you have a PCMCIA/PC-card inserted in your computer. >Huh? In general or just with Win98 SE? I use suspend all the time with >Win98 with PC cards. And I do it all the time with OS2. Anyone using NT? _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Mon Sep 13 13:11:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08083 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18460; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18355; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18340; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.Arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:10 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SPHPPABH; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:06:07 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08418; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA10109; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:06:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:06:07 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199909131706.KAA10109@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: letoured@sover.net Subject: Re: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > > >> According to IBM the suspend mode does not funtion properly when you have > >>a PCMCIA/PC-card inserted in your computer. > > >Huh? In general or just with Win98 SE? I use suspend all the time with > >Win98 with PC cards. > > And I do it all the time with OS2. > > Anyone using NT? NT4 SP3 preload on a now elderly 770E (PII 266, 224 MB of RAM, 8 GB disk, PCMCIA modem). I use cardwizard (as shipped). To suspend, I have to "stop" the modem using cardwizard. After a resume, use cardwizard to "start" the modem. Works OK doing that. Similar drill for hibernate (but that takes a bit of time with 224 MB of RAM and a big hibernate file). If I don't do the stop, the machine goes to standby not suspend. Using Solaris 7 (dual boot with NT on same HD), I have to run a script to shut down PPP and unload the PCMCIA serial driver and then suspend. Resume and then restart serial and ppp. Otherwise modem doesn't work after the resume. Same for hibernate. Same for PCMCIA ethernet card with Solaris. I use a PCI ethernet card with a SelectaDock 3 for NT and I don't use resuem/hibernate while in the dock so I don't know what would happen. Stuart > > > _____________ > Ed Letourneau > > From cph Mon Sep 13 13:18:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08156 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:18:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19462; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19341; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19270; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:15:02 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg131-008.ricochet.net [204.179.131.8]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03134; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Paritosh Dixit" , Subject: RE: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:14:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37DC52E4.7B63CA1F@globalstar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > The Trackpoint on my TP600 starts to creep and move to one end > (typically the upper left edge) and then it is impossible to drag it > back. The pointer gets stuck to that position on the screen and then > starts to drift all over with rapid motion like someone was dragging it > to the edges and almost pushing it against the edge of the screen. There > is tremendous resistance in controlling tha trackpoint when this starts > to happen. This bizzare behavior has suddenly appeared and it comes and > goes at random, however recently it has rendered the trackpoint > completely useless. The problem is worsened by the fact that now I am > no longer able to use the trackpoint to disable (or set it on auto mode) > so that I can circumvent this problem by attaching an external mouse. Since you don't mention being aware of the normal TrackPoint calibration behavior, let's talk about that for a minute. Every TrackPoint will drift >from time to time when it recalibrates itself. If you try to fight it, it will continue to drift. All you can do is let go and let it drift until it's done. This recalibration is quite normal, but it should only last five or ten seconds unless you try to fight it--then it can continue until you fall asleep and let the recalibration finish. If you don't touch the TrackPoint for 30 seconds or so and then it continues to drift, it's broken. You might try a blast of compressed air just in case something is caught in there and pushing on it, or else it's just time to call IBM. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Mon Sep 13 13:40:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08350 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21655; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21545; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21531; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:44 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.114]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12698 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909131738.NAA12698@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.114] 209.198.80.114 Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:34:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Standby Problem on TP 570 and 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: > >> According to IBM the suspend mode does not funtion properly when you have > >>a PCMCIA/PC-card inserted in your computer. > > >Huh? In general or just with Win98 SE? I use suspend all the time with > >Win98 with PC cards. > > And I do it all the time with OS2. > > Anyone using NT? NT4 SP3 preload on a now elderly 770E (PII 266, 224 MB of RAM, 8 GB disk, PCMCIA modem). I use cardwizard (as shipped). To suspend, I have to "stop" the modem using cardwizard. After a resume, use cardwizard to "start" the modem. Works OK doing that. Similar drill for hibernate (but that takes a bit of time with 224 MB of RAM and a big hibernate file). If I don't do the stop, the machine goes to standby not suspend. Using Solaris 7 (dual boot with NT on same HD), I have to run a script to shut down PPP and unload the PCMCIA serial driver and then suspend. Resume and then restart serial and ppp. Otherwise modem doesn't work after the resume. Same for hibernate. Same for PCMCIA ethernet card with Solaris. I use a PCI ethernet card with a SelectaDock 3 for NT and I don't use resuem/hibernate while in the dock so I don't know what would happen. Stuart From cph Mon Sep 13 13:53:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08474 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:53:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22745; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:51:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22655; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22628; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:51:19 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04523 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP 770e LCD Status Panel problem... Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:50:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I've just bought some weeks ago a new 14" TP 770e with a PII-266 MHz, 160 MB RAM (32+128), 5 GB Disk, DVD + Enhanced Video Controller (both was bundled), a floppy drive, running Win 95 OSR 2 (or was it OSR 2.1?). So far for it's cheap offer (I think these models are now sold out in germany), it is a nice notebook. However, I now suddently have a problem with the little LCD status panel, which seems now to get puzzled or corrupted. It doesn't show any longer the battery pack status, only harddisk accesses and sometimes the floppy icon (during booting) or the sound icon. The LCD status panel shows sometimes in low density corrupted (unreadable) battery pack symbols, but for two battery packs (I have only one) and also both charging and discharging symbols the same time. The remaining power percentage or hours symbols aren't shown anymore. Once two days before after a suspend to disk, when I opened the cover and the System started again, the LCD status panel flipped somehow and showed correct symbols and power pack activity, but now these have gone (it seems forever... :-(? This is annoying and it seems to be a permanent not correctable situation. The question is, if I have to get the TP 770e to the IBM service center, or if there is some way to get this fixed via a reset or BIOS setting? Any help or experience with TP 770 misbehaving LCD status panels are welcome. Greetings from Hamburg, Valentino -- Email: vkyr@lavielle.com From cph Mon Sep 13 14:05:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08559 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:05:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23639; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23535; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23501; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:38 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12453; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37DD3B48.D1277BFF@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:32 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP 770e LCD Status Panel problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We had a 770 that had its LCD start displaying completely random segments that changed about 5 times per second. We ended up shipping it to EZServ, and then all was well again. Otherwise, the machine ran fine. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Sep 13 15:22:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09212 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00134; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:13:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29863; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29850; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com (199.207.255.54 -> p0016c54.us.kpmg.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:13:02 -0400 Received: from p0016c22.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 19:13:02 UT Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com by kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.2/Pro-8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00477 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (unverified) by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:07:41 -0400 Received: by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:07:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8389C74A65EFD111B03800805FA7658F016B3045@USDALEXC01> From: "Egbert, Scott K" To: "'Bill Morrow'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:05:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: see http://www.levien.com/tp600.html - > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 1:01 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? > > setting up redhat on my 600.. > what atre the video settings..?? :-) > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > or i just don't care.. :-) > ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. ***************************************************************************** From cph Mon Sep 13 16:18:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09708 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04190; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:09:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04092; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04077; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:09:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15016; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: "Egbert, Scott K" cc: "'Bill Morrow'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? In-Reply-To: <8389C74A65EFD111B03800805FA7658F016B3045@USDALEXC01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: There is a binary accellerated driver and xconfig file on the redhat site somewhere. It is a neomagic 128b I think. I'm out of town, so I can't look it up right now. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Egbert, Scott K wrote: > see http://www.levien.com/tp600.html > > - > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 1:01 PM > > To: ThinkPad List > > Subject: TP600 video settings for redhat 6?? > > > > setting up redhat on my 600.. > > what atre the video settings..?? :-) > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > > roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > > or i just don't care.. :-) > > > ***************************************************************************** > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressee. 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When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice > contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in > the governing KPMG client engagement letter. > ***************************************************************************** > From cph Mon Sep 13 16:25:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09762 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:25:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05131; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04926; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04745; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa.royl.com (208.240.192.2 -> haifa.royl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:16:27 -0400 Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990913131656.00a82298@mail.royl.com> X-Sender: hosmer@mail.royl.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 (Demo) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:18:09 -0700 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Modem under W2K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have installed the Beta 3 of Windows 2000, and had my modem working properly. Then something happened, and now the modem will not work. Has anyone had a similar experience, and what did you do? From cph Mon Sep 13 16:51:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10062 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:51:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07058; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06937; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06922; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:42:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60915 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: <37736517.25279940@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, Did anyone with a 770Z 9549-8AU try updating to Win98 Second Edition with the $19.95 CD-ROM Microsoft is offering? Are there any issues I should be aware of? Do I need to reload all drivers, etc? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Sep 13 17:44:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA10446 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:44:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10785; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10687; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10648; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:23 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-45.ismi.net [205.216.96.150]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA05775; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007901befe39$4e979320$9660d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Slip" , Subject: Re: 760 & other stuff for sale--attn: Jamie Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:42:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01BEFE0F.631A8700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BEFE0F.631A8700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jamie, I have both 755's and 760's available. =20 A particularly nice laptop, IMO, is the 760ED. I have some P133/32mb/1.08Gb/6XCDrom/12.1"TFT in great condition. $600. These have 2mbVideoRam and IBM DSP sound/modem built-in. =20 I also have the SelectaDock II setups ready to go with this (and most = 760's) laptop. This would include the SelectaBase Model 1 replicator plate, and the SelectaDock II unit itself. These are wonderful. They accept your = UltraBay CDrom, floppy disk drive, and/or another snap-in harddrive for backup. = There is also a full-size bay for other devices, and two full-size PCI = card slots, as well as a lot of other nifty stuff... Another good item to have is the External Floppy drive kit for 760's = which allows you to simply plug the floppy into your 760 while leaving = the CDrom installed in the UltraBay. And, for a finale, how about a spare Li-Ion Battery (Brand New) for = $100, or an UltraBay ZIP drive?... IDE CDRom kits for Dock II, and extra internal 755/760 CDroms available = too, as well as some NEW Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems too... =20 Let me know if you have interest...or questions...I didn't go into the = 755's, but I do have some 755CX and a couple 755CD too... =20 Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Slip To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:09 PM Subject: Ok, anyone with a 760Ex for sale? =20 =20 I just posted a WTB for the 755, and it seems that no-one here has = one for sale. So now I'd like to know if anyone has a 760Ex for sale. = I'd like to have the 133 or 150Mhz model, but e-mail with whatever you = have! Preferably at least a gig HDD and 4x cdrom with 800x600 screen. I = could easily go to the web and find a 760, but this seems to be the = apropriate place to ask. :-) =20 Just so it's known, I'm an honest buyer and have had no problems = with anyone in the past.=20 =20 Contact me personally if you wish at 717-597-9501. =20 Thank you. -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BEFE0F.631A8700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Jamie,
I have both = 755's and 760's=20 available.
 
A particularly nice laptop, IMO, is the = 760ED.
I have some P133/32mb/1.08Gb/6XCDrom/12.1"TFT = in great=20 condition.
$600.  These have 2mbVideoRam and IBM DSP = sound/modem=20 built-in.
 
I also have the SelectaDock II setups ready to go = with this=20 (and most 760's) laptop.
This would include the SelectaBase Model 1 = replicator plate,=20 and the
SelectaDock II unit itself.  These are = wonderful. =20 They accept your UltraBay
CDrom, floppy disk drive, and/or another snap-in = harddrive for=20 backup.  There is also a full-size bay for other devices, and two = full-size=20 PCI card slots, as well as a lot of other nifty stuff...
Another good item to have is the External Floppy = drive kit for=20 760's which allows you to simply plug the floppy into your 760 while = leaving the=20 CDrom installed in the UltraBay.
And, for a finale, how about a spare Li-Ion Battery = (Brand=20 New) for $100, or an UltraBay ZIP drive?...
IDE CDRom kits for Dock II, and extra internal = 755/760 CDroms=20 available too, as well as some NEW Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems=20 too...
 
Let me know if you have interest...or questions...I = didn't go=20 into the 755's, but I do have some 755CX and a couple 755CD = too...
 
Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall, Michigan
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Slip <jlk@innernet.net>
To: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:09 PM
Subject: Ok, = anyone with a=20 760Ex for sale?

I just posted a WTB for the 755, = and it seems=20 that no-one here has one for sale. So now I'd like to know if anyone = has a=20 760Ex for sale. I'd like to have the 133 or 150Mhz model, but e-mail = with=20 whatever you have! Preferably at least a gig HDD and 4x cdrom with = 800x600=20 screen. I could easily go to the web and find a 760, but this seems = to be=20 the apropriate place to ask. :-)
 
Just so it's known, I'm an honest = buyer and=20 have had no problems with anyone in the past.
 
Contact me personally if you wish = at=20 717-597-9501.
 
Thank you.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BEFE0F.631A8700-- From cph Mon Sep 13 18:17:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10649 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:17:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13234; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12998; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.treco.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12974; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.treco.net (209.208.36.2 -> venus.treco.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:47 -0400 Received: from treco.net (stu57.treco.net [209.208.36.57]) by venus.treco.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA31382; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DD7771.9EE61C90@treco.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:15:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , kress@u.washington.edu, segbert@kpmg.com Subject: TP600 Video Settings for redhat 6???!!! :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks guys.. i found/figuered it out the other day, and i must say that the generic driver it has NOW, before i try victors link, is faster than sh.. through a goose..! and MAYBE even faster than the winds floyd is about to visit upon us, here in florida... :-) (this is the reason for this other address, the other box is on a cable modem monitoring the storms track!) -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) CSi ThinkPad Forum SYSOP WEB page http://thinkpads.com, SYSOP http://thinkpads.com/enter.html SYSOP E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 28gigs, 320megs, 760ED, 760CD, 755CE, (5)701C, 750C the term ThinkPad(c) is a copyright of IBM corp. From cph Mon Sep 13 18:18:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10669 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:18:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13561; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:16:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13349; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.treco.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13329; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.treco.net (209.208.36.2 -> venus.treco.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:16:12 -0400 Received: from treco.net (stu57.treco.net [209.208.36.57]) by venus.treco.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA31440; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DD77F5.37BB40FD@treco.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:17:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM, thinkpad list Subject: win98SE and 770Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i used an upgrade CD.. seemed to work fine.. always update the bios.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) CSi ThinkPad Forum SYSOP WEB page http://thinkpads.com, SYSOP http://thinkpads.com/enter.html SYSOP E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net 770Z-8AU, 28gigs, 320megs, 760ED, 760CD, 755CE, (5)701C, 750C the term ThinkPad(c) is a copyright of IBM corp. From cph Mon Sep 13 18:36:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10814 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:36:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14430; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14323; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14293; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA61177; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad list Subject: Re: win98SE and 770Z In-Reply-To: <37DD77F5.37BB40FD@treco.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i used an upgrade CD.. > seemed to work fine.. > always update the bios.. Did you use the store bought upgrade CD or the Win98SE Update CD that Microsoft sells directly? I have the latest BIOS but I'm wondering if I need to reinstall the drivers. Also, does the 98SE work better than the IBM supplied Win98? Also, I thought DirectX v6 was part of Win98SE and the TP's had problems with that? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Sep 13 20:59:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11780 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:59:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23860; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23645; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23598; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:03 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebsg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.47.144]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28998; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" , "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: One further note, I bought retail Win'98SE. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 4:43 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Greetings everyone, Did anyone with a 770Z 9549-8AU try updating to Win98 Second Edition with the $19.95 CD-ROM Microsoft is offering? Are there any issues I should be aware of? Do I need to reload all drivers, etc? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Sep 13 21:03:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11822 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:03:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23569; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23336; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23322; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:20 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebsg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.47.144]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21897; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" , "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I bought the upgrade CD. To install I backed up all my data, ran the Win'98 recovery CD that came with, and then Win'98SE. All went well and I see some improvements in speed and power management. Also installed Partition Magic 4.0 and NORTON SystemWorks 2000. -Bill Armstrong TP770Z w/14gb & 256mb RAM -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 4:43 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Greetings everyone, Did anyone with a 770Z 9549-8AU try updating to Win98 Second Edition with the $19.95 CD-ROM Microsoft is offering? Are there any issues I should be aware of? Do I need to reload all drivers, etc? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Sep 13 22:46:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA12373 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29480; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29357; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29333; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.134 -> penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:01 -0400 Received: from oma.com (1-860.charter-stl.com [24.217.7.98]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05638 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DDB66B.93177C2A@oma.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:43:55 -0500 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: [770x]Keys sticking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Lately keys have started sticking on my keyboard. They still go up and down, but they don't feel the same, and I have to be careful after hitting them to make sure it actually worked. Is there an easy way to fix this, or do I have to return the machine for warrantee service? Thanks, bab -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine From cph Mon Sep 13 23:32:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA12582 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:32:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01639; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:26:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01548; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01534; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:26:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-86.gate.net [199.227.20.149]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA324964; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:27:19 -0400 Message-ID: <37DDC069.FC0C9959@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:26:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Button CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: [770x]Keys sticking References: <37DDB66B.93177C2A@oma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brian.. OK, what spilled on the keyboard..?? :-) ohhh, alright.. so nothing spilled on the keyboard, but this is the first complaint i've heard about these new keyboards.. in fact, if had two thinkpads with coffee spilled on the keyboard and go inside on the system board.. the keyboards survived this treatment.. you can remove the keytops by lifting up on the right side.. this will reveal a little white plastic scissors mechanism.. if this gets stuff on it, the key could (and has) become sticky.. take it all apart and clean it with a solution of alcohol, water and dish soap.. about 35%, 60% and 5% respectively.. use a Q-tip (c) type thing and really soak the little parts, then reassemble and keys should be fine.. :-) Brian Button wrote: > Lately keys have started sticking on my keyboard. They still go up and > down, but they don't feel the same, and I have to be careful after > hitting them to make sure it actually worked. Is there an easy way to > fix this, or do I have to return the machine for warrantee service? > > Thanks, > bab > > -- > Brian Button bbutton@oma.com > Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. > Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 13 23:59:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA12674 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:59:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03366; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:57:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03219; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03195; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (209.89.75.17 -> mail1.toronto.istar.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:57:12 -0400 Received: from ms01-86.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.208.86]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11QjiN-0003Pi-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:57:07 -0400 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: rwhittle@usa.net Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:10:17 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: : in general, I would say that SCSI is preferable over :IDE, if for no other reason than the simple fact that SCSI doesn't take so :much CPU overhead to work (and overhead equals buffer underruns and :"coasters"--CDR's that failed to record properly and are worthless). I keep on hearing that SCSI is preferable, and I believe it, but there must be a grain of salt. My own desktop is a P133 with 32 Megs. I have a Microtek E6 SCSI scanner. Using the Adaptec cheapie SCSI card that comes with the scanner, the computer can do NOTHING else while a scan is being made. This will scuttle, for example, an IRDA application that times out when it is not seeing the host system for 12 consecutive seconds. OTOH, my CD-R is a cheapie Mitsumi 2x8, and it can burn CD-Rs (no coasters yet, knock on wood) taking data live not only from the desktop, but from other computers (including a TP 701, to make this posting almost on-topic) on the cheapie home ethernet network. I'm sure there's a good reason why one SCSI element takes over my computer, while the IDE is well-behaved, but as usual with computer things, the proof of the pudding is not in the recipe. (And if you think that a P133 with 32 Megs is underpowered, the same scanner does not work AT ALL with a Celeron 366 / 128 megs). : :>Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW :>I should get? : I've been completely happy with my Mitsumi, though it does not do DAO (which is not a necessity for most of us). I believe that the latest Mitsumis do DAO. Never used one, but according to everything I've read, the ne plus ultra of CD-dom is the SCSI-only Plextor line, especially for things to do with music-CDs. -- cheers Jonathan From cph Tue Sep 14 08:06:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13983 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06394; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:03:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05488; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05305; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:02:45 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveaod.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.43.13]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17583 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:03:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, My laptop was due for major purge and there were some funky things going on with Suspend and power management. I figured it was better to start from scratch. Haven't really monitored resources between old and new SystemWorks, but have noticed that 2000 version runs Disk Doctor in DOS (you know, after you crash Win'98 and do a hard reboot) quite slowly. I have to stop it sometimes when it starts to run through my D drive as well as my C drive. Defrag is slightly faster, I think. Notice no problems with DirectX6, but then I haven't tried any games yet. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:54 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Is there a reason you used the Win98 Recovery CD before installing Win98SE. So you didn't have to install any of the drivers for the TP after installing Win98SE? I just bought Norton SystemWorks back in May and out comes the new version, does the new version take less resources? Also, about Win98SE, I thought DirectX6 didn't work with the TP's or it caused some problems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I bought the upgrade CD. To install I backed up all my data, ran the > Win'98 recovery CD that came with, and then Win'98SE. All went well and I > see some improvements in speed and power management. Also installed > Partition Magic 4.0 and NORTON SystemWorks 2000. > > -Bill Armstrong > TP770Z w/14gb & 256mb RAM From cph Tue Sep 14 08:41:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14091 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:41:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14564; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:39:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14376; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22099; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:24:10 -0400 Received: from lava.net(uhiuhi032.lava.net[207.26.194.127]) (2691 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:24:07 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37DE309F.170BD554@lava.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:25:20 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Brian Button , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: [770x]Keys sticking References: <37DDB66B.93177C2A@oma.com> <37DDC069.FC0C9959@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --I've noticed my 701c has sticky keys too. That is they don't press down nicely, it's kind of a hard push before they give. Not a seismic push mind you, but hard enough that it produces spelling errors. How do we clean butterfly keyboards? Thanks in advance. --Keith Wong Bill Morrow wrote: > Brian.. > OK, what spilled on the keyboard..?? :-) > > ohhh, alright.. so nothing spilled on the keyboard, but this is the first > complaint i've heard about these new keyboards.. > in fact, if had two thinkpads with coffee spilled on the keyboard and go > inside on the system board.. > the keyboards survived this treatment.. > > you can remove the keytops by lifting up on the right side.. > this will reveal a little white plastic scissors mechanism.. > if this gets stuff on it, the key could (and has) become sticky.. > take it all apart and clean it with a solution of alcohol, water and dish > soap.. about 35%, 60% and 5% respectively.. > use a Q-tip (c) type thing and really soak the little parts, then > reassemble and keys should be fine.. :-) > > Brian Button wrote: > > > Lately keys have started sticking on my keyboard. They still go up and > > down, but they don't feel the same, and I have to be careful after > > hitting them to make sure it actually worked. Is there an easy way to > > fix this, or do I have to return the machine for warrantee service? > > > > Thanks, > > bab > > > > -- > > Brian Button bbutton@oma.com > > Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. > > Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 14 08:48:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14106 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:48:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15929; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15715; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10841; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:08:52 -0400 Received: from lava.net(honohono002.lava.net[207.26.194.145]) (4640 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:08:48 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37DE02D7.241735C2@lava.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:10:00 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --I think that the SCSI card is the heart of your poor scanner performance. Whenever people ask me what is the benefit of SCSI over IDE, I ask them how much money they are willing to spend to get the right level of SCSI performance. Because SCSI devices and adapters have never been cheap I've always advised people to consider what kind of work they are going to do on their systems. If they're going to be doing video editing or 3d rendering I'd say go SCSI, but do it right. Don't go with the cheap uknown brand of adapters because that's the heart of your SCSI bus. The bulletproof Adaptec 2940s have been the life savers of numerous friends of mine, but remember compatibility too. If your device is not 100% compatible with your SCSI card, forget it. A decent card runs about $200+, and just about any SCSI device worth being packaged runs at $150+. So you're looking at $350 to $500 for just about any decent SCSI controller/device package. If your work on your computer is not career critical, and or you just wanna play around at home, I'd say stick to IDE. IDE technology has come a long way since the beginning of this decade. When IDE CD burners were first compared to SCSI burners, they were a joke. In the begining to get a decent CD copy you needed a SCSI CD-ROM to run along with a SCSI CD burner. Now with IDE drives running at transfer rates of up to 66mb per second, CDROMS running at true 52X speed, we've finally got decent performance just using the stock IDE controllers off of your motherboard. Don't get me wrong though, if you're publishing, doing video editing, or running a server, stick to SCSI. If anything you do is mission critical to you keeping your job, do it SCSI and do it redundant with a RAID array. There is nothing sweeter than a workstation setup right with all SCSI devices. Can you say TRUE MULTITASKING? But it all comes with a big price tag. I'd say that SCSI hard drives are maybe 10 to 20% more reliable than IDE drives, but nothing is 100% reliable, so backups, backups of backups, and backups of the backups is necessary if your neck is on the line. If it's a device for work and you've got the budget, spend the money and get SCSI. If it's for home, get the IDE stuff. Hope I've helped. --Keith Honolulu, Hawaii Jonathan Berry wrote: > : in general, I would say that SCSI is preferable over > :IDE, if for no other reason than the simple fact that SCSI doesn't take so > :much CPU overhead to work (and overhead equals buffer underruns and > :"coasters"--CDR's that failed to record properly and are worthless). > > I keep on hearing that SCSI is preferable, and I believe it, > but there must be a grain of salt. > > My own desktop is a P133 with 32 Megs. > I have a Microtek E6 SCSI scanner. Using the Adaptec cheapie > SCSI card that comes with the scanner, the computer can do > NOTHING else while a scan is being made. This will scuttle, > for example, an IRDA application that times out when it is not > seeing the host system for 12 consecutive seconds. > > OTOH, my CD-R is a cheapie Mitsumi 2x8, and it can burn CD-Rs > (no coasters yet, knock on wood) taking data live not only from > the desktop, but from other computers (including a TP 701, to > make this posting almost on-topic) on the cheapie home > ethernet network. > > I'm sure there's a good reason why one SCSI element takes over > my computer, while the IDE is well-behaved, but as usual with > computer things, the proof of the pudding is not in the recipe. > > (And if you think that a P133 with 32 Megs is underpowered, the > same scanner does not work AT ALL with a Celeron 366 / 128 > megs). > > : > :>Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > :>I should get? > : > > I've been completely happy with my Mitsumi, though it does not > do DAO (which is not a necessity for most of us). I believe > that the latest Mitsumis do DAO. > > Never used one, but according to everything I've read, the ne > plus ultra of CD-dom is the SCSI-only Plextor line, especially > for things to do with music-CDs. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan From cph Tue Sep 14 08:51:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14113 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:50:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16598; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16184; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21997; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:20:15 -0400 Received: from lava.net(uhiuhi032.lava.net[207.26.194.127]) (5349 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:20:11 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37DE2FB5.64270A3E@lava.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:21:26 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: cd-rw] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1C008DFB6906580521CDD335" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1C008DFB6906580521CDD335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------1C008DFB6906580521CDD335 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <37DE02D7.241735C2@lava.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:10:00 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --I think that the SCSI card is the heart of your poor scanner performance. Whenever people ask me what is the benefit of SCSI over IDE, I ask them how much money they are willing to spend to get the right level of SCSI performance. Because SCSI devices and adapters have never been cheap I've always advised people to consider what kind of work they are going to do on their systems. If they're going to be doing video editing or 3d rendering I'd say go SCSI, but do it right. Don't go with the cheap uknown brand of adapters because that's the heart of your SCSI bus. The bulletproof Adaptec 2940s have been the life savers of numerous friends of mine, but remember compatibility too. If your device is not 100% compatible with your SCSI card, forget it. A decent card runs about $200+, and just about any SCSI device worth being packaged runs at $150+. So you're looking at $350 to $500 for just about any decent SCSI controller/device package. If your work on your computer is not career critical, and or you just wanna play around at home, I'd say stick to IDE. IDE technology has come a long way since the beginning of this decade. When IDE CD burners were first compared to SCSI burners, they were a joke. In the begining to get a decent CD copy you needed a SCSI CD-ROM to run along with a SCSI CD burner. Now with IDE drives running at transfer rates of up to 66mb per second, CDROMS running at true 52X speed, we've finally got decent performance just using the stock IDE controllers off of your motherboard. Don't get me wrong though, if you're publishing, doing video editing, or running a server, stick to SCSI. If anything you do is mission critical to you keeping your job, do it SCSI and do it redundant with a RAID array. There is nothing sweeter than a workstation setup right with all SCSI devices. Can you say TRUE MULTITASKING? But it all comes with a big price tag. I'd say that SCSI hard drives are maybe 10 to 20% more reliable than IDE drives, but nothing is 100% reliable, so backups, backups of backups, and backups of the backups is necessary if your neck is on the line. If it's a device for work and you've got the budget, spend the money and get SCSI. If it's for home, get the IDE stuff. Hope I've helped. --Keith Honolulu, Hawaii Jonathan Berry wrote: > : in general, I would say that SCSI is preferable over > :IDE, if for no other reason than the simple fact that SCSI doesn't take so > :much CPU overhead to work (and overhead equals buffer underruns and > :"coasters"--CDR's that failed to record properly and are worthless). > > I keep on hearing that SCSI is preferable, and I believe it, > but there must be a grain of salt. > > My own desktop is a P133 with 32 Megs. > I have a Microtek E6 SCSI scanner. Using the Adaptec cheapie > SCSI card that comes with the scanner, the computer can do > NOTHING else while a scan is being made. This will scuttle, > for example, an IRDA application that times out when it is not > seeing the host system for 12 consecutive seconds. > > OTOH, my CD-R is a cheapie Mitsumi 2x8, and it can burn CD-Rs > (no coasters yet, knock on wood) taking data live not only from > the desktop, but from other computers (including a TP 701, to > make this posting almost on-topic) on the cheapie home > ethernet network. > > I'm sure there's a good reason why one SCSI element takes over > my computer, while the IDE is well-behaved, but as usual with > computer things, the proof of the pudding is not in the recipe. > > (And if you think that a P133 with 32 Megs is underpowered, the > same scanner does not work AT ALL with a Celeron 366 / 128 > megs). > > : > :>Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > :>I should get? > : > > I've been completely happy with my Mitsumi, though it does not > do DAO (which is not a necessity for most of us). I believe > that the latest Mitsumis do DAO. > > Never used one, but according to everything I've read, the ne > plus ultra of CD-dom is the SCSI-only Plextor line, especially > for things to do with music-CDs. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan --------------1C008DFB6906580521CDD335-- From cph Tue Sep 14 09:00:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14151 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:00:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18314; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:57:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05234; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05220; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:25:45 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-229-201.usc.edu [128.125.229.201]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA04729 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990913212223.03095770@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:24:28 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <37DCEAA2.42E4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Scanning involves a *lot* of overhead and data transfer going on. I find that regardless of the connection method, whether SCSI or USB, it tends to "take over" the system. At any rate, this gentleman's description is more indicative of all scanners in general, not an indictment of SCSI. - Randy Whittle At 12:14 PM 09/13/1999 +0000, you wrote: >I suspect that your scanner "takes over" your system because you are, in >effect, running it by remote control over the SCSI bus. I also use a >SCSI scanner, and I fiund that in general you can't do much else while >you are scanning. Or it may be that the driver for the scanner just >"does" this. From cph Tue Sep 14 09:49:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14427 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:49:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23076; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:47:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04295; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04281; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:14:35 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.12]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990914041432.HICH20968@compaq>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:14:32 +0000 Message-ID: <37DCEAA2.42E4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:14:26 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: rwhittle@usa.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw References: <4.1.19990910212211.00b3df00@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I suspect that your scanner "takes over" your system because you are, in effect, running it by remote control over the SCSI bus. I also use a SCSI scanner, and I fiund that in general you can't do much else while you are scanning. Or it may be that the driver for the scanner just "does" this. Jonathan Berry wrote: > > : in general, I would say that SCSI is preferable over > :IDE, if for no other reason than the simple fact that SCSI doesn't take so > :much CPU overhead to work (and overhead equals buffer underruns and > :"coasters"--CDR's that failed to record properly and are worthless). > > I keep on hearing that SCSI is preferable, and I believe it, > but there must be a grain of salt. > > My own desktop is a P133 with 32 Megs. > I have a Microtek E6 SCSI scanner. Using the Adaptec cheapie > SCSI card that comes with the scanner, the computer can do > NOTHING else while a scan is being made. This will scuttle, > for example, an IRDA application that times out when it is not > seeing the host system for 12 consecutive seconds. > > OTOH, my CD-R is a cheapie Mitsumi 2x8, and it can burn CD-Rs > (no coasters yet, knock on wood) taking data live not only from > the desktop, but from other computers (including a TP 701, to > make this posting almost on-topic) on the cheapie home > ethernet network. > > I'm sure there's a good reason why one SCSI element takes over > my computer, while the IDE is well-behaved, but as usual with > computer things, the proof of the pudding is not in the recipe. > > (And if you think that a P133 with 32 Megs is underpowered, the > same scanner does not work AT ALL with a Celeron 366 / 128 > megs). > > : > :>Also, does anyone have any recommendations for which CD-RW > :>I should get? > : > > I've been completely happy with my Mitsumi, though it does not > do DAO (which is not a necessity for most of us). I believe > that the latest Mitsumis do DAO. > > Never used one, but according to everything I've read, the ne > plus ultra of CD-dom is the SCSI-only Plextor line, especially > for things to do with music-CDs. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan From cph Tue Sep 14 11:47:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15343 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19052; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03123; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03108; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:54:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA62565; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Is there a reason you used the Win98 Recovery CD before installing Win98SE. So you didn't have to install any of the drivers for the TP after installing Win98SE? I just bought Norton SystemWorks back in May and out comes the new version, does the new version take less resources? Also, about Win98SE, I thought DirectX6 didn't work with the TP's or it caused some problems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I bought the upgrade CD. To install I backed up all my data, ran the > Win'98 recovery CD that came with, and then Win'98SE. All went well and I > see some improvements in speed and power management. Also installed > Partition Magic 4.0 and NORTON SystemWorks 2000. > > -Bill Armstrong > TP770Z w/14gb & 256mb RAM From cph Tue Sep 14 12:04:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15440 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:04:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04133; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:00:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03804; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03752; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:59:59 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.50.32]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id IAA25145 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DE718D.93D50987@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:02:21 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: TP560X keys sometimes refusing to work References: <37DDB66B.93177C2A@oma.com> <37DDC069.FC0C9959@icanect.net> <37DE309F.170BD554@lava.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, My 560X has in the last 2 months begun to exhibit problems with the keyboard. Specifically the Enter, M and C keys sometimes refuse to work, or have to be held down for 10+ seconds before they register. This is extremely annoying since I have to hit Enter to get out of suspend mode, and sometimes it takes several minutes before the Enter key registers. Getting to .com URLs also becomes tedious. Also, the top plastic panel that covers the non-keyboard area of the laptop and surrounds the keys and trackpoint buttons has warped a little. The screen will not lock securely and the area around the latch is slightly raised, with a visible gap. I can push it down but it pop right back up. Does anyone have any ideas before I send for EZ-Serve? Thanks Benjamin From cph Tue Sep 14 12:48:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15712 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:48:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07830; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07687; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07673; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:40:47 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ppp-224-041.usc.edu [128.125.224.41]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA24222 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEFE95.9D7DC480.krieger@usc.edu> From: "Martin H. Krieger" Reply-To: "krieger@usc.edu" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: How much video can I record Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:32 -0700 Organization: USC X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How much video can I store and play back on my 760xd. Acording to the instructions it is 30 seconds? Is that an actual limit. Thanks, martin krieger@usc.edu From cph Tue Sep 14 13:03:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15843 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:03:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09804; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09463; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09411; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:18 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa48.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.48]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11869 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909141659.MAA11869@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa48.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.48] 207.136.202.48 Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:27 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37DE02D7.241735C2@lava.net> Subject: Re: cd-rw X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: Keith Wong said: >--I think that the SCSI card is the heart of your poor scanner >performance. Whenever people ask me what is the benefit of SCSI over IDE, >I ask them how much money they are willing to spend to get the right >level of SCSI performance. All the scanner drivers that I've seen tie up the CPU. -- A faster SCSI bus will help when moving large anounts of data, such as a color scan, but I've never seen any real world tests to know how much. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Tue Sep 14 13:10:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15897 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:10:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09312; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09141; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09102; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:56:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA19094 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:58:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:58:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: cd-rw and SCSI and scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On the topic of scanners, my Umax 600S used to take over the entire system in Win95, but not NT, with either the UMAX, AdvanSys or Adaptec SCSI controllers I tried. Now, neither one does. What changed? The drivers and capture software. They finally got it right. The slow part of scanning is capturing the image and doing the correction (range, contrast, brightness), not the SCSI channel. If you capture 5 inches square at 300DPI with 24 bit color, that's under 7MB and could take 0.7 seconds. Personally, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930 (OEM card) that came with my Plextor PlexWriter (2x CD-R only), but now I use it with my Plextor 12/20 reader and 8/2/20 CD-RW drive. Plextors are great, mostly because of the firmware (they do digital audio extraction at high speed with jitter correction in the drive) and software. Plextor Manager 96 was great; Plextor Manager 2000 is much less great, but still usable. Enough off-topic banter for now. Chris Schumann "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." - Jimmy James, News Radio From cph Tue Sep 14 14:48:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16604 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:48:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18518; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18394; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18377; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:17 -0400 Received: from andres (pm527-08.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.60]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA41396; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990914144622.00a92390@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:46:22 -0400 To: "Rat Boy" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: what is normal drift? In-Reply-To: <19990914173948.17127.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I don't have a 600, but I've dealt with drift on at least five different models of TP from the 700C on. In my experience, the calidrift problem occurs perhaps once an hour or so, usually in the 15 second range or less. I did have a bad trackpoint on a 700C (but remember this was a long time ago) that did what you said, and ultimately it was replaced by my on-site service technician. I remember him saying that it was normal to drift some, but when it actually got in the way of using it, it was time to get it replaced. In all the time since then I've not seen a trackpoint that drifts as much as what you say, so I'd say you ought to be able to get a new one. Wether the folks at EZ serve will agree will be an interesting question. Ah, I just caught that you said 'new' machine--sounds like a manufactoring problem then, and definitely worth fixing. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:39 AM 9/14/1999 PDT, Rat Boy wrote: >Hi, > >I have a new 600E. When I first turned it on I noticed the trackpoint >cursor drifting from the upper left to the lower left until it went off the >screen. I would pull it to the center screen and it would drift off again. >Takes about twenty to thirty seconds to totally cross the screen. After >working with the system (on and off) a few times this drift stopped and was >replaced with the curson "ticking" slowly across the screen from left to >right until it was off screen. Occasionally, the other movement comes back. > >I don't lean on the trackpoint, and I don't interfere with it as it moves. >I've tried to in the past and it just continued on when I let go. My >question is, what is normal drift? I know the system recalibrates and moves >the pointer somewhat but how much? Across the screen? If so, this seems >like poor engineering on such a high end machine. From cph Tue Sep 14 15:03:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16748 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:03:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19902; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:01:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19718; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19694; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:41 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28903; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'Rat Boy'" , Subject: RE: 600E adding memory Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001befeeb$c77d4d40$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990914174454.62612.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Jimmy, I had the same problem on a 600 PII 233 with 32+32+64Mb. Everything else works fine. My solution is I just don't test the memory any more ;-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Rat Boy [mailto:titanium_rat@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:45 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E adding memory Recently bought a new 600E with 32Meg Ram. I bought an IBM 64Meg memory module (part #20L0241) to increase Ram. When I turn on the computer the bootup page shows the correct memory size. Also, the system executes all applications without any problems. My question is in the "Setup" page. If I test memory, my system freezes up and I need to do a power off reboot to get it going again? I can use the "Setup Test Mode" to test other components without any problems. What do you think? Is the memory defective or what? Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Sep 14 15:41:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17054 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:41:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14003; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13916; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13903; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:02 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21089; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37DE8BF1.EDE97CB5@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:54:57 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rat Boy CC: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 600E adding memory References: <19990914174454.62612.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Memory tests take a long, long time if I recall. Something like 30 minutes without any indication of progress seems to ring a bell. --Lee From cph Tue Sep 14 15:41:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17058 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:41:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12946; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12851; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12838; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.199 -> wya-lfd135.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:43:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 62613 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 17:44:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914174454.62612.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.93.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.93.114] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 600E adding memory Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Recently bought a new 600E with 32Meg Ram. I bought an IBM 64Meg memory module (part #20L0241) to increase Ram. When I turn on the computer the bootup page shows the correct memory size. Also, the system executes all applications without any problems. My question is in the "Setup" page. If I test memory, my system freezes up and I need to do a power off reboot to get it going again? I can use the "Setup Test Mode" to test other components without any problems. What do you think? Is the memory defective or what? Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Sep 14 15:41:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17061 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:41:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12606; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:40:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12449; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12422; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.151 -> wya-lfd87.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:40:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 17128 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 17:39:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914173948.17127.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.93.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:39:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.93.114] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: what is normal drift? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:39:48 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a new 600E. When I first turned it on I noticed the trackpoint cursor drifting from the upper left to the lower left until it went off the screen. I would pull it to the center screen and it would drift off again. Takes about twenty to thirty seconds to totally cross the screen. After working with the system (on and off) a few times this drift stopped and was replaced with the curson "ticking" slowly across the screen from left to right until it was off screen. Occasionally, the other movement comes back. I don't lean on the trackpoint, and I don't interfere with it as it moves. I've tried to in the past and it just continued on when I let go. My question is, what is normal drift? I know the system recalibrates and moves the pointer somewhat but how much? Across the screen? If so, this seems like poor engineering on such a high end machine. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Sep 14 15:42:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17065 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:42:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23107; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22828; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22785; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:33:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66541; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hi Bill, > My laptop was due for major purge and there were some funky things going on > with Suspend and power management. I figured it was better to start from > scratch. Oh, that had to do with the trackpoint drivers which even IBM doesn't know about. I had that problem even with a 100% clean system when I got my 770Z in late May. > Haven't really monitored resources between old and new SystemWorks, but have > noticed that 2000 version runs Disk Doctor in DOS (you know, after you crash > Win'98 and do a hard reboot) quite slowly. I have to stop it sometimes when > it starts to run through my D drive as well as my C drive. Defrag is > slightly faster, I think. Interesting. > Notice no problems with DirectX6, but then I haven't tried any games yet. After looking at it, I'm not sure if DirectX6 is installed by default. It seems like it is. My Desktop is the one with the problem, If I try to open My Computer, the first boot, it will work but any boots after that, it will just hang there and the only way out is rebooting. Anyone know what Windows files it calls up to open My Computer? As for the TP 770Z Win98SE upgrade, the only thing was that it broke the MPEG Driver and DVDExpress so DVDExpress had to be uninjstalled and reinstalled and then the MPEG(IBM DVD Decoder) driver had to be deleted and reinstalled. Everything else works fine after that. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Tue Sep 14 16:02:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17241 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:02:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24930; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:54:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24687; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24661; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:53:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66607; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Chris Schumann cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: cd-rw and SCSI and scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Chris Schumann wrote: I think you are probably correct in the drivers although it might have to do with the OS itself too. Since with Unix, scanning doesn't take up large CPU cycles. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > On the topic of scanners, my Umax 600S used to take over the entire system > in Win95, but not NT, with either the UMAX, AdvanSys or Adaptec SCSI > controllers I tried. Now, neither one does. What changed? The drivers and > capture software. They finally got it right. > > The slow part of scanning is capturing the image and doing the correction > (range, contrast, brightness), not the SCSI channel. If you capture 5 > inches square at 300DPI with 24 bit color, that's under 7MB and could take > 0.7 seconds. > > Personally, I have an Adaptec AHA-2930 (OEM card) that came with my > Plextor PlexWriter (2x CD-R only), but now I use it with my Plextor 12/20 > reader and 8/2/20 CD-RW drive. Plextors are great, mostly because of the > firmware (they do digital audio extraction at high speed with jitter > correction in the drive) and software. Plextor Manager 96 was great; > Plextor Manager 2000 is much less great, but still usable. > > Enough off-topic banter for now. > > Chris Schumann > > "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." > - Jimmy James, News Radio > > From cph Tue Sep 14 16:24:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17573 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:24:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26797; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26693; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26638; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:16:45 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebck.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.45.148]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03132; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" , "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Trackpoint drivers? I would attribute it to my 3Com ethernet PC card, which behaves better, but not perfectly, with the clean install. DVD works OK with install. Did not have to reinstall. I do have problems with DVD disks failing, particularly at the end of the movie, but I attribute to mishandled disks (mine and rentals). Very frustrating to get to the end of a movie and not be able to finish watching it. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 3:33 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hi Bill, > My laptop was due for major purge and there were some funky things going on > with Suspend and power management. I figured it was better to start from > scratch. Oh, that had to do with the trackpoint drivers which even IBM doesn't know about. I had that problem even with a 100% clean system when I got my 770Z in late May. > Haven't really monitored resources between old and new SystemWorks, but have > noticed that 2000 version runs Disk Doctor in DOS (you know, after you crash > Win'98 and do a hard reboot) quite slowly. I have to stop it sometimes when > it starts to run through my D drive as well as my C drive. Defrag is > slightly faster, I think. Interesting. > Notice no problems with DirectX6, but then I haven't tried any games yet. After looking at it, I'm not sure if DirectX6 is installed by default. It seems like it is. My Desktop is the one with the problem, If I try to open My Computer, the first boot, it will work but any boots after that, it will just hang there and the only way out is rebooting. Anyone know what Windows files it calls up to open My Computer? As for the TP 770Z Win98SE upgrade, the only thing was that it broke the MPEG Driver and DVDExpress so DVDExpress had to be uninjstalled and reinstalled and then the MPEG(IBM DVD Decoder) driver had to be deleted and reinstalled. Everything else works fine after that. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Tue Sep 14 18:39:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18766 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:38:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06047; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:35:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05840; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05825; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.60 -> mail6.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:35:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 1070 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 22:35:13 -0000 Received: from pppa43-tucson3-1r80.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.17) by mail6.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 22:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <37DECD97.559BFEAA@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:35:03 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E adding memory References: <19990914174454.62612.qmail@hotmail.com> <37DE8BF1.EDE97CB5@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you use "advanced mode" the progression of the test shows up on the screen. You'll see all the hexadecimal locations being tested, and a final report about errors if present. Ctrl-A at setup will put you in the advanced mode. I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > Memory tests take a long, long time if I recall. Something like 30 > minutes without any indication of progress seems to ring a bell. > > --Lee ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Sep 14 19:10:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18995 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:10:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07706; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07509; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07492; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:07:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA67210; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Bill, > Trackpoint drivers? I would attribute it to my 3Com ethernet PC card, which > behaves better, but not perfectly, with the clean install. My 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 + 56k modem CardBus card would have the same problems too since you can't suspend or shutdown properly without stopping the card first. The trackpoint driver problem is without any PCMCIA cards that it hangs during shutdown and suspend. > DVD works OK with install. Did not have to reinstall. I do have problems > with DVD disks failing, particularly at the end of the movie, but I > attribute to mishandled disks (mine and rentals). Very frustrating to get > to the end of a movie and not be able to finish watching it. Weird because it seems like the MPEG driver needed some files from the Win98 Second Edition CD and every time I open DVDExpress, it would only copy one file and then finish so I just did a reinstall of both the DVDExpress and the MPEG Driver. The MPEG Driver needed the Second Edition CD and that fixed it and all is well now. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > My laptop was due for major purge and there were some funky things going > on > > with Suspend and power management. I figured it was better to start from > > scratch. > > Oh, that had to do with the trackpoint drivers which even IBM > doesn't know about. I had that problem even with a 100% clean system > when I got my 770Z in late May. > > > Haven't really monitored resources between old and new SystemWorks, but > have > > noticed that 2000 version runs Disk Doctor in DOS (you know, after you > crash > > Win'98 and do a hard reboot) quite slowly. I have to stop it sometimes > when > > it starts to run through my D drive as well as my C drive. Defrag is > > slightly faster, I think. > > Interesting. > > > Notice no problems with DirectX6, but then I haven't tried any games yet. > > After looking at it, I'm not sure if DirectX6 is installed by > default. It seems like it is. My Desktop is the one with the problem, If > I try to open My Computer, the first boot, it will work but any boots > after that, it will just hang there and the only way out is rebooting. > Anyone know what Windows files it calls up to open My Computer? As for > the TP 770Z Win98SE upgrade, the only thing was that it broke the MPEG > Driver and DVDExpress so DVDExpress had to be uninjstalled and reinstalled > and then the MPEG(IBM DVD Decoder) driver had to be deleted and > reinstalled. Everything else works fine after that. From cph Tue Sep 14 19:20:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA19061 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:20:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08491; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08390; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08375; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:09 -0400 Received: from richard ([216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04442 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990914191635.00ab9e00@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:18:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: linux on 600E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: IBM is providing info on using Linux on the 600E. It does not yet support the modem, although it is thinking about it. http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4BP6Q6.html?selectarea=SUPPORT&brand=root From cph Tue Sep 14 21:00:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19677 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:00:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14680; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:58:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14502; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14488; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (207.88.248.142 -> gibraltar.globalstar.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:58:32 -0400 Received: from globalstar.com ([192.168.100.201]) by nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA512A; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: <37DEEE8E.F0DF99D0@globalstar.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:55:43 -0700 From: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I got quite a few responses to my original mail about the trackpoint drift on my Thinkpad 600. Thanks. However, what I am dealing with on the machine is hardly a "drift" - the mouse pointer violently hits itself against the uppper edges of the screen, bounces around the screen and does this for almost as long as an hour, maybe a day. Couple of attempts later, after I have booted-rebooted the TP600, it seems to be fine. And then again it blows up. The TP600 is an almost new (7 months old) laptop which I barely use for 2 hours a day. The trackpoint behavior has been quite disappointing for the money I paid on the TP600. Interestingly, the system start up test on the Thinkpad locks up on the "Memory Test" - i.e. it does not progress further after getting about 25% through the memory test - it does not write any error codes, nothing - just locks up. Anyone seen similar behavior. I am about ready to call IBM and see what wisdom they have on this. Thanks, Lapi > > The Trackpoint on my TP600 starts to creep and move to one end > > (typically the upper left edge) and then it is impossible to drag it > > back. The pointer gets stuck to that position on the screen and then > > starts to drift all over with rapid motion like someone was dragging it > > to the edges and almost pushing it against the edge of the screen. There > > is tremendous resistance in controlling tha trackpoint when this starts > > to happen. This bizzare behavior has suddenly appeared and it comes and > > goes at random, however recently it has rendered the trackpoint > > completely useless. The problem is worsened by the fact that now I am > > no longer able to use the trackpoint to disable (or set it on auto mode) > > so that I can circumvent this problem by attaching an external mouse. From cph Tue Sep 14 21:13:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19763 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:13:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15794; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15657; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15610; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (207.88.248.142 -> gibraltar.globalstar.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:11:18 -0400 Received: from globalstar.com ([192.168.100.201]) by nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5365; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37DEF18C.8B7AB483@globalstar.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:08:28 -0700 From: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Thinkpad600 Trackpoint Problems Continue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I got quite a few responses to my original mail about the trackpoint drift on my Thinkpad 600. Thanks. However, what I am dealing with on the machine is hardly a "drift" - the mouse pointer violently hits itself against the uppper edges of the screen, bounces around the screen and does this for almost as long as an hour, maybe a day. Couple of attempts later, after I have booted-rebooted the TP600, it seems to be fine. And then again it blows up. The TP600 is an almost new (7 months old) laptop which I barely use for 2 hours a day. The trackpoint behavior has been quite disappointing for the money I paid on the TP600. Interestingly, the system start up test on the Thinkpad locks up on the "Memory Test" - i.e. it does not progress further after getting about 25% through the memory test - it does not write any error codes, nothing - just locks up. Anyone seen similar behavior. I am about ready to call IBM and see what wisdom they have on this. Thanks, Lapi > > The Trackpoint on my TP600 starts to creep and move to one end > > (typically the upper left edge) and then it is impossible to drag it > > back. The pointer gets stuck to that position on the screen and then > > starts to drift all over with rapid motion like someone was dragging it > > to the edges and almost pushing it against the edge of the screen. There > > is tremendous resistance in controlling tha trackpoint when this starts > > to happen. This bizzare behavior has suddenly appeared and it comes and > > goes at random, however recently it has rendered the trackpoint > > completely useless. The problem is worsened by the fact that now I am > > no longer able to use the trackpoint to disable (or set it on auto mode) > > so that I can circumvent this problem by attaching an external mouse. From cph Tue Sep 14 21:34:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19907 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:34:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17086; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16959; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16946; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:32:35 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id VAA19516 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-180-23.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.180.23]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id VAA15989; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DEF41F.8402C7E7@csc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:19:27 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 References: <37DEEE8E.F0DF99D0@globalstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It sounds like the trackpoint is broken. However, have you uninstalled and re-installed the latest version of IBM's trackpoint drivers, just to be sure? As for the memory problem, as someone mentioned earlier, the memory test can take a VERY long time. I haven't done it lately, but I seem to recall it took the better part of an hour with 128MB on my 770. Try running the test and just leave the PC alone, maybe even for a couple of hours. Good luck, Rob "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" wrote: > > I got quite a few responses to my original mail about the trackpoint drift on my > Thinkpad 600. Thanks. However, what I am dealing with on the machine is hardly a > "drift" - the mouse pointer violently hits itself against the uppper edges of > the screen, bounces around the screen and does this for almost as long as an > hour, maybe a day. Couple of attempts later, after I have booted-rebooted the > TP600, it seems to be fine. And then again it blows up. The TP600 is an almost > new (7 months old) laptop which I barely use for 2 hours a day. The trackpoint > behavior has been quite disappointing for the money I paid on the TP600. > > Interestingly, the system start up test on the Thinkpad locks up on the "Memory > Test" - i.e. it does not progress further after getting about 25% through the > memory test - it does not write any error codes, nothing - just locks up. > > Anyone seen similar behavior. I am about ready to call IBM and see what wisdom > they have on this. > > Thanks, > > Lapi > > > > The Trackpoint on my TP600 starts to creep and move to one end > > > (typically the upper left edge) and then it is impossible to drag it > > > back. The pointer gets stuck to that position on the screen and then > > > starts to drift all over with rapid motion like someone was dragging it > > > to the edges and almost pushing it against the edge of the screen. There > > > is tremendous resistance in controlling tha trackpoint when this starts > > > to happen. This bizzare behavior has suddenly appeared and it comes and > > > goes at random, however recently it has rendered the trackpoint > > > completely useless. The problem is worsened by the fact that now I am > > > no longer able to use the trackpoint to disable (or set it on auto mode) > > > so that I can circumvent this problem by attaching an external mouse. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@netscape.net ------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 14 22:43:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20338 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21531; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21370; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nw1.cnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21345; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nw1.cnet.com (204.162.80.50 -> nw1.cnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:30 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nw1.cnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03697; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909150241.TAA03697@nw1.cnet.com> From: williams@u.washington.edu To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM gets the nod from Linux, but problems exist List-Unsubscribe: This NEWS.COM (http://www.news.com/) story has been sent to you from williams@u.washington.edu Message from sender: Here'some Linux info ------------------------------------------------------- IBM gets the nod from Linux, but problems exist By Stephen Shankland September 14, 1999, 4:20 p.m. PT http://home.cnet.com/category/0-1006-200-118924.html An IBM notebook has been certified to run Red Hat's version of the Linux operating system, the first portable to win such approval, but users might want to think twice before wiping Windows off the hard drive. IBM's ThinkPad 600E has passed certification tests for running version 6.0 of Red Hat Linux, but the software's vagaries prevent users from accessing the notebook's modem. Additionally, such features as the PC Card slots and power management suffer from compatibility problems. Such shortcomings exemplify the difficulties Linux faces as the upstart operating system moves into mainstream markets. Though more and more hardware makers support Linux, it's difficult to write the software needed to use the seemingly endless list of network cards, video cards, CD-ROMs, and other computer components. Moreover, getting some of those components to work requires the Linux-expertise equivalent of rebuilding a car engine. It can be awkward to install Linux on laptops because the small computers often use proprietary components to handle the display, sound, infrared port, modem, power management, and other essential hardware. Lists such as the Linux for Laptops site offer the collective wisdom of users who have gone through the process, but overall it's far from plug and play. Indeed, it appears that the IBM notebook might be more appropriate for a lesser level of certification than what it actually earned from Red Hat. Being Red Hat certified indicates that "the tested hardware has passed all certification tests and requires no special action on the part of the user in order to set up the system." A lesser Red Hat compatible level indicates that the hardware has passed all certification tests, but requires extra attention such as "special drivers or updates...before the system is fully useable." Linus Torvalds, founder and leader of the Linux movement, has called upon Linux programmers to make the open source operating system work better on mainstream machines such as laptops. IBM doesn't sell systems with Linux at present, though it does offer advice on installing Linux, a spokeswoman said. "We continually watch the market to see if our customers are asking for that, so at some point, it could be a possibility," she said. Dell Computer also has said it will put Linux on its laptops in coming months. Dell plans to achieve Red Hat certification by November for its Inspiron line of laptops and will offer Linux preinstalled on machines some time after that, said spokesman John Weisblatt. Dell has already started taking orders for its home-oriented Dimension line of desktop computers with Red Hat's Linux installed. The company plans to begin building and shipping the systems on September 23, said spokeswoman Maria Krinsky. Interested customers will be able to order the Linux Dimensions off the company's Web site starting tomorrow, she said. However, modem compatibility proved a problem for Dell, too. The Linux Dimension systems don't come with modems, though people can install external modems on their own, she said. The Linux systems cost the same as the Windows models, she added. The modem in the IBM machine needs special software called a "driver" that isn't available for Linux. "Although we are currently evaluating whether to provide Linux support for [the modem], IBM has not announced plans for supporting [it] under Linux," IBM said on its Web page. In addition, only basic power management functions such putting the machine into and out of a sleep mode are available--and then only if a user is technically competent enough to rebuild the Linux kernel, the core of the software code. "The pre-built kernels included with Red Hat Linux 6.0 do not include the necessary advanced power management settings for the ThinkPad 600E," IBM said. Adding support for PC Cards also requires a kernel rebuild, IBM said. The certification is given to hardware guaranteed to work with Red Hat Linux version 6.0. Certification allows a company to use Red Hat's logo in advertising the product, but companies must pay Red Hat for the certification. Red Hat representatives were not immediately available for comment. Currently only complete systems may be certified, but Red Hat is working on adding certification of individual components as well, the company has previously said. ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 14 22:52:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20365 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22235; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:50:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22118; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22096; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (166.72.104.147 -> slip166-72-104-147.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01beff24$ed77a7a0$936848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Screen Blanking Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:49:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFF03.635BD4E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFF03.635BD4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lately I have been experiencing problems with the LCD. I think it has = only happened on battery power. The LCD will go dark, almost black, and unreadable. After using Fn-F7 = key I can get it to come back for a little while but it doesn't last = long before it happens again. At other times the LCD will start = 'blinking' on and off. The system is a 770ED and LCD is set to Bright under battery power. Has = anyone else experienced this? I have reinstalled the system to a previous backup and reinstalled the = TP Utilities files.... Don ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFF03.635BD4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lately I have been experiencing = problems with the=20 LCD. I think it has only happened on battery power.
 
The LCD will go dark, almost black, and = unreadable.=20 After using Fn-F7 key I can get it to come back for a little while but = it=20 doesn't last long before it happens again. At other times the LCD will = start=20 'blinking' on and off.
 
The system is a 770ED and LCD is set to = Bright=20 under battery power. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
I have reinstalled the system to a = previous backup=20 and reinstalled the TP Utilities files....
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEFF03.635BD4E0-- From cph Tue Sep 14 23:37:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20578 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:37:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25083; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:35:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24888; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24862; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:35:24 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.199]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990915033522.KALH17922@oemcomputer>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:35:22 +0000 Message-ID: <37DF147D.2A7E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:37:33 -0400 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Screen Blanking References: <000a01beff24$ed77a7a0$936848a6@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donald Mak wrote: > > The LCD will go dark, almost black, and unreadable. After using Fn-F7 > key I can get it to come back for a little while but it doesn't last > long before it happens again. At other times the LCD will start > 'blinking' on and off. > > The system is a 770ED and LCD is set to Bright under battery power. > Has anyone else experienced this? > LCD screen and or the inverter. Call IBM. I had the same problem on a 770 1AU. Took four trips. dc/dc converter, system bd,screen,fan,video card,dsp, finally screen and inverter. Works like a charm now. ThinkPad just went in for another bezel. They updated the system board and replaced the fan. Thats when I started to get yuor symptoms. Birger From cph Wed Sep 15 00:54:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20860 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:54:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29229; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:48:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29111; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29097; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:48:06 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (cube.az.com [216.145.8.237]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20507 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199909150448.VAA20507@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:55:14 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-RW backup List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:40:02 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > I remember patiently feeding floppies into a drive to do the occasional >backup of a 100 MB ESDI drive on a whipping-fast 386DX-20. ;-) I also Then the pile of unlabeled disks falls over, you curse, try to salvage, then start all over. *GRIN* hehe > Okay, so here's my beef: CD's hold about 650 MB of raw data. Even if you >have it compressed, you're looking at somewhere around 1 GB, perhaps a bit [snip] >to the floppy-swapping I used to do eons ago, having to change out new >CDR's (or RW's) as each one becomes full in the backup process. Am I the >only one that sees this as a major drawback to using CDR's for regular backup? > > Next question for those of you using CD's as a backup medium: What >software / techniques do you use? Is there some backup software that will Ok, here's what I do for my computers and the laptop (gawd I love IR transmitter built in. Slow, but lovely). I split my OS's up from the apps and the data. True, this does generate more drive letters and makes things creative when I go to put in a new drive. Plus you have to do this when from you partitioned and formatted the drive. Sooooo I have one partition with nothing but on it. No games, no apps, no utilities, or anything. Then I take Drive Image (shameless plug), and make a highly compressed image of the partition. Then burn that to a CD. Then I put all my apps on a seperate partition as well and repeat the process above. Then all backups are done on the data only. Unless I'm doing an obscene amount of picture alterations, it'll all fit. Anything goes wrong, restore partition image. Of course in the case of windows, if you change hardware, network settings or anything you'll probably want to re-burn a CD. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Wed Sep 15 02:45:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA21153 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:45:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03673; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:35:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03266; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03244; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:35:19 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-194-99.por.uk.ibm.net [139.92.194.99]) by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id GAA135442; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:35:07 GMT Message-ID: <37DE15D1.2179CEAB@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:30:57 +0100 From: Tony Wright Organization: Equi-Tek CompCon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Morris Lewis Subject: Re: Help with Thinkpad References: <199909131233.IAA22165@astro.cs.utk.edu> <37DCF11E.7EB6D23B@dayspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Morris Lewis wrote: > > I recently bought a Dock II for my IBM Thinkpad 750. Everything on the > > docking station works fine, except (after I opened the case to install a > > > > CD-ROM) the external keyboard and mouse doesn't work. I assumed that > > maybe I knocked some internal connector loose (because it did work > > before I installed the CD-ROM), but I don't see anything loose in > > there. The symptom is that regardless of whether I have a keyboard or > > mouse or both plugged into the docking station, the computer doesn't > > recognize it and just uses the built-in keyboard and the built-in > > trackpoint. I do notice that the mouse port on the computer itself > > still works fine - both for mice and for keyboards. > > > > Does anyone have an idea??? Oh dear......as usual (no offence) - you've supplied insufficient data to do anything more than either wildly speculate or simply clarify some basic obvious diagnostic guidelines that you may have indeed already covered but not detailed in your post: 1. If you disconnect CDROM does functionality return? (pretty bl**dy obvious and I assume you therefore tried it....but one has to confirm?) 2. CDROM model/type and if IDE whether configured as master/slave. 3. Specific TP750 model + bios version 4. OS version/fixpak-service level. 5. Whether you have checked IBM Thinkpad/Device Driver site for any appropriate external keyboard/mouse driverappropriate to model/type of keyboard + mouse used. (The space saver keyboard + black mini PS/2 mouse combination worked differently to individual keyboard + mouse). I vaguely recall some patch to fix a conflict/timing problem on one of these combinations of TP model + OS + Dock + kybd/mouse types. 6. Dependent on OS a list of hardware resources(IRQ + base io address etc) used or detected. Including the base IO address of Dock (DIP switch adjacent to and LEFT of the interface connector on dock...... visible after removing cover naturally). Dependent on OS used, I (or someone else) proficient in the specific OS you're using (if not simply h/w or IRQ related) may be able to then pursue further..... -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" From cph Wed Sep 15 02:59:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA21177 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:59:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04394; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:50:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03967; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03954; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (216.122.33.164 -> kimnor.lightrealm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:50:03 -0400 Received: from thinkpad600e (ppp33.students.su.se [193.10.145.33]) by psykolog.nu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16800 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:44:46 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: Subject: TV-out for 600E Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA21178 Is it possible to get the TV-out module for 600E directly from IBM? Or do I have to go with the Margi card? Regards, H.Kim Stockholm, Sweden From cph Wed Sep 15 09:09:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22292 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:09:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05419; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:07:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05200; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05184; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:07:12 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00591; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:51:08 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199909151251.HAA00591@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go To: kress@u.washington.edu (Victor Kress) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Victor Kress" at Sep 13, 99 08:13:31 am Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hello Victor, Victor Kress writes: > > I don't have my documentation with me, but I think that is an error with > partition table order. You are right, I looked in the docs some more after I got the new error message (I think it was #120) with the dos mode. > The problem is that linux fdisk puts partitions in the table in the > order entered, while partition magic expects them to be in the order > they appear on the disk. I think this is a DOS limitation, so any > MICROSO~1 product will have trouble with partitions past the first > out-of-order entry, but I may be wrong. Once fdisk has worked on > your partion table, partition magic is probably history. If there > is a way of fixing this without reformatting, and without creating > even bigger problems I would be interested. In my case, I'm just > living without partition magic. I don't know if there is a different way to fix it other than what you describe. For now I'll live with it the way it is. At some point I may transfer the data on the Linux partitions temporarily to another system and repartition the drive using PM all the way and then restore the files. Thanks for your mail. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Wed Sep 15 09:23:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22393 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:23:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06602; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06479; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06465; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:09 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveakl.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.149]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24472; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" , "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, My 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 + 56k modem CardBus card would have the same problems too since you can't suspend or shutdown properly without stopping the card first. The trackpoint driver problem is without any PCMCIA cards that it hangs during shutdown and suspend. Exactly. Had to stop and pull out 3COM PC card before taking my laptop home at the end of the day. Now I am using a docking station at work with an added PCI video card so I am having to shutdown altogether. Do notice that with SE that I can now suspend and resume with 3COM card in PC slot. Not aware of any problems with trackpoint drivers with either Win'98 First Edition or Second Edition. -Bill From cph Wed Sep 15 09:40:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22510 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:40:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07815; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07693; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07672; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909151338.JAA07672@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:07 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.215] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:39:02 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:38:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cd-rw Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19990913212223.03095770@rcf.usc.edu> References: <37DCEAA2.42E4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: Regarding CD-R and CD-RW. i have a Sony CD-R drive. It's IDE. It performs beautifully. I can do whatever else I want at the same time, and I've never had any under-runs. I am currently using it in a system with a 200MHZ AMD processor. But I used it for quite a while in a 486/33MHZ that I had upgraded to 100MHZ with an Evergreeen Technologies kit. On that system, with 16 megs of RAM, I never had a buffer under-run either. One thing to watch for. Make sure you record your CDs at a speed that's the same as, or slower than the drive you'll be reading them on. If they'll be read on a new fast drive, record away at 4x or 2x, or faster. But If someone is going to try reading the CD-R on an old 1x CD-ROM drive, make sure you record the CD at 1x speed. Else the 1x drive will have lots of problems reading the CD-R. -Chrys //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "I used to walk to school with my nose buried in a book." ~ Coolio ~ From cph Wed Sep 15 11:33:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA23108 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:33:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17942; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:29:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17702; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17683; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:29:35 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.24]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22533 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:35:28 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: Subject: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:31:27 -0300 Message-ID: <001001beff8f$60748dd0$e501a8c0@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199909151251.HAA00591@europa.veggie.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id LAA17942 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA23109 I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? Does somebody can tellme where can I find the best price? Thank you! Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: Esmail Bonakdarian [mailto:esmail@uiowa.edu] > Sent: Miércoles 15 de Septiembre de 1999 09:51 > To: Victor Kress > Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu; scosgt@worldnet.att.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go > > > Hello Victor, > > Victor Kress writes: > > > > I don't have my documentation with me, but I think that is an error with > > partition table order. > > You are right, I looked in the docs some more after I got the new > error message (I think it was #120) with the dos mode. > > > The problem is that linux fdisk puts partitions in the table in the > > order entered, while partition magic expects them to be in the order > > they appear on the disk. I think this is a DOS limitation, so any > > MICROSO~1 product will have trouble with partitions past the first > > out-of-order entry, but I may be wrong. Once fdisk has worked on > > your partion table, partition magic is probably history. If there > > is a way of fixing this without reformatting, and without creating > > even bigger problems I would be interested. In my case, I'm just > > living without partition magic. > > I don't know if there is a different way to fix it other than what you > describe. For now I'll live with it the way it is. At some point I may > transfer the data on the Linux partitions temporarily to another > system and repartition the drive using PM all the way and then restore > the files. > > Thanks for your mail. > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > From cph Wed Sep 15 11:50:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA23220 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:50:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19251; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:42:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19088; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19043; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:42:29 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA20369 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915083844.00c03ae0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:41:40 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? In-Reply-To: <001001beff8f$60748dd0$e501a8c0@pcleandro> References: <199909151251.HAA00591@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:31 AM 9/15/99 , you wrote: >I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? >Does somebody can tellme where can I find the best price? Check one of the on-line price watcher web sites. Personally, I like: http://www.shopper.com Not only can you check current prices on memory, but also other computer hardware, software, laptops, extended warranties, etc. From cph Wed Sep 15 12:38:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23569 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:38:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23574; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23476; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23451; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22878; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:36:08 -0400 (EDT) To: letoured@sover.net cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: cd-rw In-Reply-To: <199909111735.NAA25105@garnet.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 letoured@sover.net wrote: > >Packet writing on a 2X RW requires something like 45 minutes to format > >the blank under DirectCD 2, and can't be read on most currently available > > Why do you have to format a CD? > > We don't under OS2 using RSJ CD Writer. I burn 600+ mb in 30 minutes with > a 2x writer (Ricoh 6200). And the CDs can be read everywhere I've tried. You can use a CD-RW just like a CD-R, which requires no formatting; but then it acts just like a CD-R. Adding more files involves writing a new track and rewriting all the directory information. Deleting files just updates the directory information to say this file is deleted - it does not free up the space. Eventually the disk will fill up with deleted files or directory information, and you'll have to wipe it to start over. To use a CD-RW like a floppy or hard drive with random access read/write/deletes, you need to format it. I have a Yamaha 4/4/16 CD-RW. I honestly haven't been using the RW portion as much as I thought I would, but I do use it. This may have been due to my naive initial RW disk purchase where I assumed RW meant RW and ended up getting 2x disks that would only write at 2x on my 4x drive. But I still find it useful for storing photos I scan until I can get around to cleaning them before archiving them to CD-R. If you think you'll be using RW, you're probably better off getting a CD-RW drive. If you don't end up using the RW portion as much as you thought you would, it still functions just fine as a CD-R drive. If you get a CD-R and decide you need/want RW, you have to buy a new drive. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Wed Sep 15 13:03:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23750 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:03:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25787; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:00:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25630; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25580; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.188 -> wya-lfd124.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:00:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 88818 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 17:00:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990915170038.88817.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.89.139 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:00:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.89.139] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cd-rw & USB Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:00:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone successfully run a CD-RW off the USB connection on a ThinkPad while simultaneously running the built in CD-ROM on the machine? Any ideas or things I should watch out for while trying this? Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Sep 15 13:35:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24008 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:35:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28355; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:33:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28183; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28154; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:33:24 -0400 Received: from octek (96-189.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.189]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA20272 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:35:15 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199909151735.UAA20272@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:33:19 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2630-7SU: is it a 701C or a 701CS? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I've been investigating a TP701C auctioned on Ebay. I emailed the seller and found out it's a 2630-7SU. I then went to http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&lang=en_US, selected "ThinkPad 701" and selected "7SU" as the model. This yielded the following information: Specs: ThinkPad 701C * DX4-75, 8MB, 720MB, DSTN, modem Now isn't 701C supposed to mean TFT screen and 701CS dual scan screen? So is the machine mislabeled as a 701C, or are there 701C with dual scan screens. Most confusing to me ... Thanks Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 15 14:14:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24349 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:14:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24232; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24130; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24107; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:07 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg131-008.ricochet.net [204.179.131.8]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08000; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:41:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Paritosh Dixit \(Lapi\)" , Subject: RE: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:41:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37DEEE8E.F0DF99D0@globalstar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > The trackpoint behavior has been quite disappointing > for the money I paid on the TP600. Well, stop being disappointed and go get your money's worth. The TrackPoint is a delicate mechanical device. They wear out, they go bad on their own. Things happen. Then, you get a new keyboard. Fortunately, ThinkPad keyboards are cheap and IBM is good about replacing them under warranty. You can either send the machine to EZ-Serv, or see if there is a local IBM-authorized shop that can replace the keyboard on the spot. After warranty, you order new keyboards from IBM Parts and install them yourself or have someone do it. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Wed Sep 15 15:16:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24904 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:16:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08229; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08105; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08084; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:29 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA07083; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:13:58 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Dominique Pivard" , Subject: Re: 2630-7SU: is it a 701C or a 701CS? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <01beffaf$9e50aec0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: The seller is either inept or playing a nasty game. The a 2630-7SU is a 701CS . dual scan ! ..peter.. As always, the info is best viewed : ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/twbook.pdf >Hi, > >I've been investigating a TP701C auctioned on Ebay. I emailed the seller >and found out it's a 2630-7SU. I then went to >http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&lang =en_US, >selected "ThinkPad 701" and selected "7SU" as the model. This yielded the >following information: > >Specs: ThinkPad 701C * DX4-75, 8MB, 720MB, DSTN, modem > >Now isn't 701C supposed to mean TFT screen and 701CS dual scan screen? So >is the machine mislabeled as a 701C, or are there 701C with dual scan >screens. Most confusing to me ... > >Thanks > >Dominique >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Dominique Pivard >Helsinki, Finland >----------------------------------------------------------- > From cph Wed Sep 15 15:48:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25239 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:48:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10840; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:43:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10440; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10425; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:42:57 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p36.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.129]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19153 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909151942.MAA19153@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 99 10:32:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sending my ThinkPad to Easy Serve List-Unsubscribe: I've decided to send off my machine to Easy Serve, so hopefully it will come back okay. I just got offered a new job, and I'm beginning school, so I don't have a choice. I'll put follow-up postings, since others haven't reported the best experiances lately. Paul From cph Wed Sep 15 17:06:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25938 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:06:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16389; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:03:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16263; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16248; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:03:37 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [4.17.80.140] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD9D33C00C0; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01beffb7$66e479a0$8c501104@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Misc. questions on 760ED Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:17:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEFF95.DF3BC9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEFF95.DF3BC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I purchassed a 760ED and being that it's a company who's selling it = to me, I'm unsure of what the will include(they are very vague in the = description). I need to know where I can pick up the keyboard splitter = to use an external KB & mouse at the same time. Is it simple a PS/2 = splitter or is it a proprietary pin-out? Also, what's special about the = video in/out cable? Again, is this proprietary?=20 I'm also wondering about the modem and sound card deal. From what I read = at IBM's site, I get the hint that you can't use the modem and sound = card at the same time because they'r both integrated. One list member = mentioned having to bump the modem down to 28.8 vs 33.6 if you want to = use sound.=20 Is the CD/floppy hot-swappable? I read the online reference manual for = the 760 and it gives instructions for replacing the battery when low = with a fresh one. Does this mean that you can opperate off the internal = backup battery long enough to swap in a fresh one, or is this assuming = you'v got AC power? What suggestions can you make for the OS to run? Win95 would run great = IMHO, but would 98 be ok on a 133Mhz with 32mb ram? One other thing, is = this 133Mhz MMX? I'v seen other MMX notebooks at 133mhz.=20 Finally, any undoccumented tips or pointers you can suggest? Thank you very much! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEFF95.DF3BC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I purchassed a 760ED = and being=20 that it's a company who's selling it to me, I'm unsure of what the will=20 include(they are very vague in the description). I need to know where I = can pick=20 up the keyboard splitter to use an external KB & mouse at the same = time. Is=20 it simple a PS/2 splitter or is it a proprietary pin-out? Also, what's = special=20 about the video in/out cable? Again, is this proprietary?
 
I'm also wondering about the modem and = sound card=20 deal. From what I read at IBM's site, I get the hint that you can't use = the=20 modem and sound card at the same time because they'r both integrated. = One list=20 member mentioned having to bump the modem down to 28.8 vs 33.6 if you = want to=20 use sound.
 
Is the CD/floppy hot-swappable? I read = the online=20 reference manual for the 760 and it gives instructions for replacing the = battery=20 when low with a fresh one. Does this mean that you can opperate off the = internal=20 backup battery long enough to swap in a fresh one, or is this assuming = you'v got=20 AC power?
 
What suggestions can you make for the = OS to run?=20 Win95 would run great IMHO, but would 98 be ok on a 133Mhz with 32mb = ram? One=20 other thing, is this 133Mhz MMX? I'v seen other MMX notebooks at 133mhz. =
 
Finally, any undoccumented tips or = pointers you can=20 suggest?
 
Thank you very much!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEFF95.DF3BC9C0-- From cph Wed Sep 15 17:44:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26245 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19068; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18976; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18963; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:49 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivealn.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.183]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14552; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I didn't realize I could do this, i.e., stop the card only, not remove it as well (although it makes perfect sense that I can). -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:04 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Bill, > My 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 + 56k modem CardBus card would have the > same problems too since you can't suspend or shutdown properly without > stopping the card first. The trackpoint driver problem is without any > PCMCIA cards that it hangs during shutdown and suspend. > > Exactly. Had to stop and pull out 3COM PC card before taking my laptop home > at the end of the day. Now I am using a docking station at work with an > added PCI video card so I am having to shutdown altogether. Do notice that > with SE that I can now suspend and resume with 3COM card in PC slot. Hmmm, I only had to stop the card but didn't have to remove it. Did you try just stopping the card? > Not aware of any problems with trackpoint drivers with either Win'98 First > Edition or Second Edition. Hmmm, I think this was back in May when all the drivers were updated and BIOS than the shipping IBM stuff when I got my machine when there was a new trackpoint driver at the end of May. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Wed Sep 15 17:48:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26265 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:48:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03718; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03539; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03503; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:07 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15977; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:15:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: TP 770e LCD Status Panel problem... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37DD3B48.D1277BFF@sls.lcs.mit.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Lee Hetherington responded: > We had a 770 that had its LCD start displaying completely random > segments that changed about 5 times per second. We ended up shipping it > to EZServ, and then all was well again. Otherwise, the machine ran > fine. > > --Lee Hetherington > First of all, thanks for your respond Lee! I went yesterday before work to the IBM global service center here in Hamburg (germany). A very kind and friendly service person looked at my ThinkPad and recognized that the LCD status display had somehow bad contact. He asked me if I had some time left and I said yes. After some minutes he (the service person) came back and said that he corrected the bad contact problem momentary, but that it is no permanent solution and his experience shows that under presure the LCD status panel of my TP 770 would again get this problem. So he told me to leave it there and that he will exchange the LCD status display. Today in the morning I called the IBM global service center and they told me that my ThinkPad is ready and I can pass to get it back. Now my TP LCD status panel is really perfect, brighter and clearer than before (the day I bought my TD and the LCD status panel worked...). The IBM service center here in Hamburg was kind, quick and very competend. Greetings Valentino From cph Wed Sep 15 17:51:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26283 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:51:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26258; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:04:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26123; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26102; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:04:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA73214; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Bill, > My 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 + 56k modem CardBus card would have the > same problems too since you can't suspend or shutdown properly without > stopping the card first. The trackpoint driver problem is without any > PCMCIA cards that it hangs during shutdown and suspend. > > Exactly. Had to stop and pull out 3COM PC card before taking my laptop home > at the end of the day. Now I am using a docking station at work with an > added PCI video card so I am having to shutdown altogether. Do notice that > with SE that I can now suspend and resume with 3COM card in PC slot. Hmmm, I only had to stop the card but didn't have to remove it. Did you try just stopping the card? > Not aware of any problems with trackpoint drivers with either Win'98 First > Edition or Second Edition. Hmmm, I think this was back in May when all the drivers were updated and BIOS than the shipping IBM stuff when I got my machine when there was a new trackpoint driver at the end of May. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Wed Sep 15 20:23:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27076 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:23:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28177; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:19:44 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27632; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:19:37 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id UAA02302 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12490; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:08:04 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-131.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.131]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13541; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990915160911.0131bbd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:09:11 -0700 To: "Leandro Rzezak" , From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? In-Reply-To: <001001beff8f$60748dd0$e501a8c0@pcleandro> References: <199909151251.HAA00591@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:31 PM 09/15/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: >I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? >Does somebody can tellme where can I find the best price? I am a fan of necx (www.necx.com). Current 128meg Kingston prices = $183.95 + free S&H (if their promotion is still running for free UPS ground). I've ordered countless items from them, and I have yet to be disappointed. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 15 21:03:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27366 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:03:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01813; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01733; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01720; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-365.gate.net [199.227.173.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA392430; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37E037C3.2E3134A1@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:20:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2630-7SU: is it a 701C or a 701CS? References: <199909151735.UAA20272@lohi.clinet.fi> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3B72AF393B5B7E9E29218DBC" List-Unsubscribe: --------------3B72AF393B5B7E9E29218DBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this seller obviously is in error.. the 701 came in two flavors and some sub flavors.. 701C is TFT display, 701 Cs is DSTN (Dual Scan).. then there were 486/50 and 486/75 with 4meg or 8meg standard, respectively.. finally, there were 340, 560 or 720meg drives.. AND, just to add to confusion, type one and type two displays.. (not sure if DSTN came in two types, but the TFT did, for sure.. there was only ONE modem, a 14.4 built in.. there were NiCad and NiMH batteries.. (get the NiMH, they're better) the AC adapter was nice, but the AC adapter from the 365,560, 570, 600, 770 and other machines will do just as well... i hope i covered most of the fine points.. Dominique Pivard wrote: > Hi, > > I've been investigating a TP701C auctioned on Ebay. I emailed the seller > and found out it's a 2630-7SU. I then went to > http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&lang=en_US, > selected "ThinkPad 701" and selected "7SU" as the model. This yielded the > following information: > > Specs: ThinkPad 701C * DX4-75, 8MB, 720MB, DSTN, modem > > Now isn't 701C supposed to mean TFT screen and 701CS dual scan screen? So > is the machine mislabeled as a 701C, or are there 701C with dual scan > screens. Most confusing to me ... > > Thanks > > Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Helsinki, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------3B72AF393B5B7E9E29218DBC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this seller obviously is in error..
the 701 came in two flavors and some sub flavors..
701C is TFT display, 701 Cs is DSTN (Dual Scan)..
then there were 486/50 and 486/75 with 4meg or 8meg standard, respectively..
finally, there were 340, 560 or 720meg drives..
AND, just to add to confusion, type one and type two displays..
(not sure if DSTN came in two types, but the TFT did, for sure..
there was only ONE modem, a 14.4 built in..

there were NiCad and NiMH batteries.. (get the NiMH, they're better)

the AC adapter was nice, but the AC adapter from the 365,560, 570, 600, 770 and other machines will do just as well...

i hope i covered most of the fine points..

Dominique Pivard wrote:

Hi,

I've been investigating a TP701C auctioned on Ebay. I emailed the seller
and found out it's a 2630-7SU. I then went to
http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&lang=en_US,
selected "ThinkPad 701" and selected "7SU" as the model. This yielded the
following information:

Specs: ThinkPad 701C * DX4-75, 8MB, 720MB, DSTN, modem

Now isn't 701C supposed to mean TFT screen and 701CS dual scan screen? So
is the machine mislabeled as a 701C, or are there 701C with dual scan
screens. Most confusing to me ...

Thanks

Dominique
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Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>
Helsinki, Finland
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--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
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use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------3B72AF393B5B7E9E29218DBC-- From cph Wed Sep 15 21:09:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27415 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:09:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02453; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:08:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02265; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02248; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:07:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-365.gate.net [199.227.173.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA207482; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37E042E0.9944B5E9@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:07:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: mike , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760ED Hard drive dead or alive References: <000701beffda$0f9db620$1b1bfecc@oemcomputer> <37E03B48.EF7756C5@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob, et al., Rob Bell wrote: > First thing to check is whether it has come unseated. I'm assuming the > 760ED is similar to the 760EL that I used to have, it is the same.. > so lift the keyboard > to remove the HD. Use the little wire bar (or plastic tabs) that is > attached to one end to lift it. Then gently put it back, taking care to > line up the connector. Now power it up and see what happens. > if that does not fix it, there is a question.. has mike been doing a lot of in and out..? if so, those connectors are good for about 300 insertions before they wear out.. otherwise, the drive sure sounds like its gone to the happy hunting ground.. that machine MAY just still be under warranty, and they MIGHT swap the drive for a new one.. (there is that one year warranty thing ibm had on hard drives at one time, and may still observe) > > Good luck! > > Rob > > mike wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > This morning I booted my TP760ED. The hard drive did nothing. I went to the > > setup screen and the hd did not even show up to test. Wanted to know if it > > is toasted. I am awaiting a floppy so I have no other way to boot up. > > Thanks, Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Sep 15 21:32:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27586 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:32:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03831; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03701; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03665; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:30:24 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA14666; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909160129.UAA14666@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-23.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.87) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014662; Wed Sep 15 20:29:46 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37E037C3.2E3134A1@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock II Bios? List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Can the Dock II bios be updated? So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? Allan Ballard From cph Wed Sep 15 21:41:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27669 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28713; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28479; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28465; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:24:30 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg-20425427-27.ricochet.net [204.254.27.27]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17771 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000701beffda$0f9db620$1b1bfecc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: Subject: TP760ED Hard drive dead or alive Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:26:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, This morning I booted my TP760ED. The hard drive did nothing. I went to the setup screen and the hd did not even show up to test. Wanted to know if it is toasted. I am awaiting a floppy so I have no other way to boot up. Thanks, Mike From cph Wed Sep 15 21:41:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27672 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29688; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29544; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29518; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:10 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id UAA01621 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-181-71.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.181.71]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA01589; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E03B48.EF7756C5@csc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:35:20 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760ED Hard drive dead or alive References: <000701beffda$0f9db620$1b1bfecc@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: First thing to check is whether it has come unseated. I'm assuming the 760ED is similar to the 760EL that I used to have, so lift the keyboard to remove the HD. Use the little wire bar (or plastic tabs) that is attached to one end to lift it. Then gently put it back, taking care to line up the connector. Now power it up and see what happens. Good luck! Rob mike wrote: > > Hello All, > > This morning I booted my TP760ED. The hard drive did nothing. I went to the > setup screen and the hd did not even show up to test. Wanted to know if it > is toasted. I am awaiting a floppy so I have no other way to boot up. > Thanks, Mike From cph Wed Sep 15 21:41:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27675 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:41:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00717; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:50:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00590; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.diablores.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00568; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from exchange.diablores.com (207.247.204.66 -> mail.diabloresearch.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:49:57 -0400 Received: by exchange.diablores.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:49:52 -0700 Message-ID: <445F760D7769D311AA4D00A0C9A9D714177A54@exchange.diablores.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Intro... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:49:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello. My name is Marc. Currently I have 2 Thinkpads: a 760E (120Mhz Pentium, 12.1 TFT display, 40M bytes memory (16M bytes standard and 32M bytes via an add-in memory module), 4+G bytes of harddisk (I replaced the original equipment drive with a larger one), sitting on an IBM Dock I docking station with an IBM CD-ROM drive present. It has some sound support (which I don't use) and an internal modem which I haven't used for awhile. I do not have a network connection (I have a dedicated desktop machine for that) nor do I use, except very rarely in the course of developing software (I'm a software engineer for an R&D company), any PCMCIA cards. I bought this machine about 2 years ago from an online auction site, brand new, still in the orginal box, complete with a 3 year factory warranty for $1599 not including tax/shipping.. It has been a solid reliable machine. The other machine - currently away at IBM service to diagnose and hopefully repair a dim/dark LCD, is a 701c (25/75MHz 486DX, 16M bytes of memory, a 720M byte harddisk, and a active matrix display). I bought this from an IBM site offering refurbished hardware about a year ago, for $595 not including tax/shipping. Both machines are running Windows 95. The 760e serves as my primary development machine. The 701c serves as a debug terminal or as a host to some of the embedded systems I (was) work(ing) with. (That project's finished and the 701c was getting a well-deserved rest when it developed its display problem.) In the past I've owned and sold when I've upgraded an IBM 755ce Thinkpad, and IBM 360cs Thinkpad, and an IBM 350c Thinkpad and maybe (it's been a few years ago) a mono-chrome 350. (I'm a big fan of IBM Thinkpads, never having owned any other notebook brand.) I'm seriously shopping for a new Thinkpad, and will probably mail order a new Thinkpad 600 300Mhz machine (unless I learn of some problem with this machine in the next couple of days...). I plan on getting the model which comes with a 300MHz (or maybe a 333MHz - I'm still thinking about it...) Pentium II processor, 32M bytes of RAM (which I'll upgrade to 96M bytes) and a 4GB harddisk, Windows 98, and I'll order a port replicator when I order the Thinkpad so I can connect an external monitor (I use a ViewSonic G771) and an external IBM Trackpoint keyboard when the machine's at the office. One of my supervisors has expressed an interest in buying my 760e from me when (if) I replace it with a new machine so this will go away very quickly and I'll just have the 600 and the 701c. Sincerely, MarcW. From cph Wed Sep 15 23:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28458 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:47:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09689; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:45:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09592; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09571; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:45:41 -0400 Received: from lava.net(anunu010.lava.net[207.26.192.41]) (2758 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:45:31 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37E0673C.294103EC@lava.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:52 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leandro Rzezak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? References: <001001beff8f$60748dd0$e501a8c0@pcleandro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id XAA09689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA28459 --As Bill Morrow and others have mentioned theres a run on the memory market and memory prices have doubled or worse, I'd wait a few weeks if I were you. But if its a business tool, go check out www.pricewatch.com. It's not bad at finding the cheapest on the web. Hope I've helped. --Keith Honolulu, Hawaii Leandro Rzezak wrote: > I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? > Does somebody can tellme where can I find the best price? > > Thank you! > > Leandro > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Esmail Bonakdarian [mailto:esmail@uiowa.edu] > > Sent: Miércoles 15 de Septiembre de 1999 09:51 > > To: Victor Kress > > Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu; scosgt@worldnet.att.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TP560x & Partition Magic no go > > > > > > Hello Victor, > > > > Victor Kress writes: > > > > > > I don't have my documentation with me, but I think that is an error with > > > partition table order. > > > > You are right, I looked in the docs some more after I got the new > > error message (I think it was #120) with the dos mode. > > > > > The problem is that linux fdisk puts partitions in the table in the > > > order entered, while partition magic expects them to be in the order > > > they appear on the disk. I think this is a DOS limitation, so any > > > MICROSO~1 product will have trouble with partitions past the first > > > out-of-order entry, but I may be wrong. Once fdisk has worked on > > > your partion table, partition magic is probably history. If there > > > is a way of fixing this without reformatting, and without creating > > > even bigger problems I would be interested. In my case, I'm just > > > living without partition magic. > > > > I don't know if there is a different way to fix it other than what you > > describe. For now I'll live with it the way it is. At some point I may > > transfer the data on the Linux partitions temporarily to another > > system and repartition the drive using PM all the way and then restore > > the files. > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > Esmail > > ---- > > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > > From cph Thu Sep 16 00:31:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28695 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:31:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12700; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:29:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12600; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12587; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:29:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17844; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:31:36 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:31:35 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Michael Geary cc: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600: New BIOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Just got an email from IBM of a new BIOS for our TP600's.. Supposedly improves the recharging function, whatever that means :) -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Sep 16 01:19:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28839 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:19:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14511; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14410; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14393; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psykolog.nu (216.122.33.164 -> kimnor.lightrealm.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:13 -0400 Received: from thinkpad600e (ppp22.students.su.se [193.10.145.22]) by psykolog.nu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17249; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:11:35 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: "Turgut Kalfaoglu" , Subject: RE: TP600: New BIOS Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:13:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA28840 Does this update include 600E-models? If so, do you got a URL? Can?t find the update file at IBM Website... Best regards, -----Original Message----- From: Turgut Kalfaoglu [mailto:turgut@egenet.com.tr] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 5:32 AM To: Michael Geary Cc: Paritosh Dixit (Lapi); Subject: TP600: New BIOS Just got an email from IBM of a new BIOS for our TP600's.. Supposedly improves the recharging function, whatever that means :) -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Sep 16 01:37:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28881 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:37:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15394; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15312; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15291; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-378.gate.net [199.227.173.124]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA192598; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37E081CC.3F0F6E57@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:36:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Sending my ThinkPad to Easy Serve References: <199909151942.MAA19153@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. i sent a 600 to easy serve and got almost a perfect response.. they replaced a dead system board.. the only thing separating my recent experience from one with a 755CD was the 755CD received a new trackpoint tip and the 600 came back with the old one still in place.. i hope you will be pleasantly surprised.. :-) Paul Khoury wrote: > I've decided to send off my machine to Easy Serve, so hopefully > it will come back okay. I just got offered a new job, and I'm beginning > school, so I don't have a choice. I'll put follow-up postings, since others > haven't reported the best experiances lately. > > Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 16 03:38:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29208 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:38:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25864; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:36:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25483; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25457; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:35:54 -0400 Received: from tp701 (96-173.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.173]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA27830 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:46 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199909160737.KAA27830@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:23:07 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37E037C3.2E3134A1@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 2630-7SU: is it a 701C or a 701CS? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 at 08:20 PM you, Bill Morrow , said: >i hope i covered most of the fine points.. Thanks, I think most of them were covered. Also, some models included OS/2 in addition to DOS 6.3 / Windows 3.11. And the European models didn't have a modem (although the modem in my US 701C has worked fine for me in every single European country I've been to). The best source for information on these withdrawn models was indeed the PDF file mentioned by Peter (thanks again, Peter!). Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 16 06:49:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA29816 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:49:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12491; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:48:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12382; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12368; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.131 -> wya-lfd67.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:48:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 68883 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 10:47:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916104758.68882.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.138 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:47:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.138] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TrackPoint Tip Life Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:47:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: My TrackPoint tip is new and red and has that nice grainy resistive feel to it. What is the life on these parts before they need replacement? I will probably use my system an hour a day - every day. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Sep 16 07:57:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA29945 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:57:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14915; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:54:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14809; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14796; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.60 -> mail6.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:54:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 14746 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 11:54:21 -0000 Received: from pppa47-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.106) by mail6.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 11:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <37E0DB70.1A0C431E@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:58:40 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint Tip (cover) Life References: <19990916104758.68882.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rat Boy wrote: > > My TrackPoint tip is new and red and has that nice grainy resistive feel to > it. What is the life on these parts before they need replacement? I will > probably use my system an hour a day - every day. In my experience, they last, with 10 hr/day use ~ 60 days then, proportionally, with 1 hr/day use ~ 600 days and with 100 hr/day use ~ 6 days _________________ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 16 10:11:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30487 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:11:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24206; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:08:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24051; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24038; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21682; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:08:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Leandro Rzezak" , Subject: Re: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:07:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990915160911.0131bbd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: At 12:31 PM 09/15/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: >I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? >Does somebody can tellme where can I find the best price? If your 770ED still has warranty you should keep in mind the following, which however is the fact in germany for IBM ThinkPads. Here in Germany if you buy thirdparty memory, which is not 100% certified by IBM, you will get problems with your IBM warranty in accident. I've heard from a lot of people that they bought 128MB Kingston modules, since they are a lot cheaper than IBM original memory. Most of these people had (here in germany) trouble with the IBM service centers when their notebook encountered problems. The worst case was, that these people lost their warranty and had to pay for IBM servicing in trouble of their TPs. So you should make clear if you still have warranty for your TP and even if you don't, you should check to get 100% certified thirdparty memory, which in trouble you can send back. I for my part, got original IBM OEM memory modules, which are from the same fab as the original IBM modules, but cheaper (128 MB OEM module for 530.- german marks, compared to 770.- german marks for the original IBM ones). Here in germany the IBM service centers are more accurate to these IBM OEM modules and it seems Ok for them to use these, but with Kingston modules you will definetly loose (at least here in germany). Greetings Valentino From cph Thu Sep 16 10:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30581 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:21:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25266; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25077; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25063; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:36 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id KAA03352 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id KAA03212 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909161419.KAA03212@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Error 301? List-Unsubscribe: Hello! When I booted my TP600 this morning, I got an "Error 301" [it was on a screen where the cursor is a duck or goose]. I rebooted and it seems to be working now. What does E301 mean? Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Sep 16 10:30:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30631 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:30:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26592; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:28:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26329; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26282; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:27:37 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05507; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37E0FE4C.3E7C1BB8@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:27:24 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: Leandro Rzezak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Why would one ever tell IBM that you were not using approved memory? You remove your memory before taking it into service, and IBM is none the wiser. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu Sep 16 10:39:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30697 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:39:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27513; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:36:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27171; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27156; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:35:53 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:22:18 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-23.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.23]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bf0050$bbe82480$7f0efea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Allan Ballard" Subject: Re: Dock II Bios? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:35:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,aballard@ix.netcom.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-23.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.23] List-Unsubscribe: good question I would like to know the answer to this one myself as I think mine could use something... swift kick sometimes..:) Charles McDaniel -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: Bill Morrow Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: Dock II Bios? >Hello, > >Can the Dock II bios be updated? > >So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. > >Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? > >Allan Ballard > > From cph Thu Sep 16 11:19:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30928 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:19:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01003; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:17:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00779; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00746; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:48 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00928; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew Webber cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Error 301? In-Reply-To: <199909161419.KAA03212@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Keyboard error -- stuck key, most likely. If it works now, don't sweat it. -Ken On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:30 -0400 > From: Andrew Webber > To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" > Subject: Error 301? > > Hello! > > When I booted my TP600 this morning, I got an "Error 301" [it was > on a screen where the cursor is a duck or goose]. I rebooted and > it seems to be working now. > > What does E301 mean? > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > From cph Thu Sep 16 11:27:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30985 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:27:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01970; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:25:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01806; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01793; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:25:18 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07384 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:25:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07343 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:25:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990916112425.00e84820@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:24:25 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 In-Reply-To: <37DEEE8E.F0DF99D0@globalstar.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:55 PM 9/14/99 -0700, Paritosh Dixit (Lapi) wrote: >I got quite a few responses to my original mail about the trackpoint drift on my >Thinkpad 600. Thanks. However, what I am dealing with on the machine is hardly a >"drift" - the mouse pointer violently hits itself against the uppper edges of >the screen, bounces around the screen and does this for almost as long as an >hour, maybe a day. Couple of attempts later, after I have booted-rebooted the >TP600, it seems to be fine. And then again it blows up. The TP600 is an almost >new (7 months old) laptop which I barely use for 2 hours a day. The trackpoint >behavior has been quite disappointing for the money I paid on the TP600. > I would send it in for service since that's usually a sign that the keyboard is going out. Keyboards go bad at different levels of usage and age depending on an individual's circumstances. It's not something to get worked up over unless it happens on every machine that's turned out (like the left mouse button on the 755 series which practically had a timer on it). >Interestingly, the system start up test on the Thinkpad locks up on the "Memory >Test" - i.e. it does not progress further after getting about 25% through the >memory test - it does not write any error codes, nothing - just locks up. > The memory test takes a very long time and does appear to be locked up. It's probably not, though. Is 25% approximately the amount of the base memory for your model? Start it up, and go to lunch. If it's not done by mid-afternoon, it may be locked up. From cph Thu Sep 16 12:48:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31402 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08200; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:44:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07972; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07956; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:44:45 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28207; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:44:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: Cc: "Leandro Rzezak" , Subject: AW: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:43:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37E0FE4C.3E7C1BB8@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Lee Hetherington wrote: > > Why would one ever tell IBM that you were not using approved memory? > You remove your memory before taking it into service, and IBM is none > the wiser. > Well Lee, this is correct and I would do it exactly this way, as long as the ThinkPad problem is not caused by the "not approved" thirdparty memory. I've heard from some people here in germany who run into trouble with thirdparty memory. Their ThinkPads got memory problems (especially under NT) and they got trouble since they had now to buy functional IBM memory and the company who sold them the thirdparty memory didn't took it back. These scenarios I'am talking about happened here in germany, I don't know how IBM handles these things in other countries. Greetings Valentino From cph Thu Sep 16 13:45:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31762 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:45:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12451; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:37:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12199; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12186; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA79404; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: ThinkPad list Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hi Bill, Give it a try and let me know what happens. I'm surprised that 3Com actually has this problem with the TP770's. My 385ED worked fine. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent, > > I didn't realize I could do this, i.e., stop the card only, not remove it as > well (although it makes perfect sense that I can). > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:04 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: ThinkPad list > Subject: RE: Win98 SE Update on 770Z > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill, > > > My 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 + 56k modem CardBus card would have the > > same problems too since you can't suspend or shutdown properly without > > stopping the card first. The trackpoint driver problem is without any > > PCMCIA cards that it hangs during shutdown and suspend. > > > > Exactly. Had to stop and pull out 3COM PC card before taking my laptop > home > > at the end of the day. Now I am using a docking station at work with an > > added PCI video card so I am having to shutdown altogether. Do notice > that > > with SE that I can now suspend and resume with 3COM card in PC slot. > > Hmmm, I only had to stop the card but didn't have to remove it. > Did you try just stopping the card? > > > Not aware of any problems with trackpoint drivers with either Win'98 First > > Edition or Second Edition. > > Hmmm, I think this was back in May when all the drivers were > updated and BIOS than the shipping IBM stuff when I got my machine when > there was a new trackpoint driver at the end of May. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph Thu Sep 16 15:05:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32312 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:05:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20299; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:02:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20027; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL01 (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19970; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL01 (206.244.186.11 -> mail.toast.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:01:31 -0400 Received: from ibm6000 - 38.26.6.31 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <008501bf0075$bcbdeb40$b5051a26@ibm6000> From: "Damil Idgaf" To: Subject: new to the group Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Damil Idgaf here, just joined the group. I have a TP600 266PII 4G hardrive 13.3 tft basically the stock 2645-51U jumped the ram up to 96megs I run windows 98, and I'll admit I play around much more that i use it for business. From cph Thu Sep 16 15:31:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32504 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:31:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22375; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:20:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21917; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web205.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21621; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web205.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.105 -> web205.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <19990916192146.13737.rocketmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.88.226] by web205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:21:46 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: New to this group To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Let's see, I have older thinkpads. I have one 755CD - 100Mhz 486, 16Mb ram, 4x CD-ROM, 1.2Gb HD. I have one 760L - 90Mhz Pentium, 16Mb RAM, 810Mb HD. I have one 755c, one 360Cse, and one 360 that are 4 sale to help finance a 760XL TFT, or a 760ED. I use them quite a bit for entertainment (for the wife and kids too) and the 760 goes on the road on business trips for both business and entertainment. --Mike B. === http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Thu Sep 16 15:38:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32567 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:38:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24834; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:35:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24656; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24639; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:34:50 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id PAA13594 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id PAA13564 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909161934.PAA13564@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:32:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Error 301? List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. And thanks also to those who emailed me directly. I won't get into a panic over it, but I'll make sure I have Easy-Serve's number handy. Are the error codes documented somewhere? Thanks! On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT), kend@cisco.com wrote: >Keyboard error -- stuck key, most likely. If it works now, >don't sweat it. > >-Ken > >On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:30 -0400 >> From: Andrew Webber >> To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >> Subject: Error 301? >> >> Hello! >> >> When I booted my TP600 this morning, I got an "Error 301" [it was >> on a screen where the cursor is a duck or goose]. I rebooted and >> it seems to be working now. >> >> What does E301 mean? andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Sep 16 15:43:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32592 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:42:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25744; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25245; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25214; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg139-107.ricochet.net [204.179.139.107]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10454 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:38:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01bf007b$513d1c00$6b8bb3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: Subject: Battery maintenance Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:40:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I just bought a new i1412. Everything seems to be working great accept one thing. The battery never say's 100% it always stops charging at 98%. But I do get 4 hours out of it. Than this morning I get an email from IBM support to download the latest BIOS, which I did, and installed it. But it made no difference. Question, is it something to worry about? Thanks, Mike From cph Thu Sep 16 15:46:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32628 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:46:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26373; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:42:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25985; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25773; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:41 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg139-107.ricochet.net [204.179.139.107]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10863 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:41:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001bf007b$b854b600$6b8bb3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: References: <199909161934.PAA13564@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Error 301? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:43:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Did you by chance profile your TP on the IBM website when you bought it? If you did there maybe more info on error codes regarding your particular TP. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Webber To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Error 301? > Thanks. And thanks also to those who emailed me directly. I won't > get into a panic over it, but I'll make sure I have Easy-Serve's > number handy. > > Are the error codes documented somewhere? > > Thanks! > > > > On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT), kend@cisco.com wrote: > > >Keyboard error -- stuck key, most likely. If it works now, > >don't sweat it. > > > >-Ken > > > >On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > > > >> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:30 -0400 > >> From: Andrew Webber > >> To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" > >> Subject: Error 301? > >> > >> Hello! > >> > >> When I booted my TP600 this morning, I got an "Error 301" [it was > >> on a screen where the cursor is a duck or goose]. I rebooted and > >> it seems to be working now. > >> > >> What does E301 mean? > > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > From cph Thu Sep 16 17:21:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA00882 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:21:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04436; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:14:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03982; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03963; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-327.gate.net [199.227.173.73]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA230352; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: <37E15D64.FF844319@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, Leandro Rzezak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: AW: I need 128MB for 770ED, what/where should I buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Apricorn memory is ThinkPad proven.. it costs more, since there is a fee paid to IBM.. GoldenRam is IBM Approved.. not the same as ThinkPad proven, but close.. also, no fee is paid to ibm.. if a computer (thinkpad or desktop box) goes to ibm for service and the memory is glodenram, ibm replaces it as if it were ibm brand, ALSO, goldenram makes ram for ibm.. as do many manufacturers, then ibm attaches their label.. I'm not sure about viking, i would need to ask.. kinkston did have an excellent reputation, they were sold, last year i think, and change may have occured.. at one time, kingstom memory parts were burning 760ED motherboards.. they had a bad run of DIMM's with the wrong component... kingston replaced all the flaky parts.. (this was about 3 years ago) Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > > Why would one ever tell IBM that you were not using approved memory? > > You remove your memory before taking it into service, and IBM is none > > the wiser. > > > > Well Lee, this is correct and I would do it exactly this way, as long as the > ThinkPad problem is not caused by the "not approved" thirdparty memory. I've > heard from some people here in germany who run into trouble with thirdparty > memory. Their ThinkPads got memory problems (especially under NT) and they > got trouble since they had now to buy functional IBM memory and the company > who sold them the thirdparty memory didn't took it back. > > These scenarios I'am talking about happened here in germany, I don't know > how IBM handles these things in other countries. > > Greetings Valentino -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 16 17:30:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA00941 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:30:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05873; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05728; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05688; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-327.gate.net [199.227.173.73]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA178224; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37E15FE7.EBA2B269@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:23:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint Tip (cover) Life References: <19990916104758.68882.qmail@hotmail.com> <37E0DB70.1A0C431E@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BUT, in reality, they last depending upon the harshness of the use.. i.e. if you have oily skin, or are prone to perspiration (sweaty palm syndrome, usually encountered around april 15th, at about 8pm) the life is shortened.. these little guys are not cheap ($4.50 each, more or less, in packs of 3) so kind treatment might yeild JC's life estimate of 6 days at 100 hours a day use.. Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Rat Boy wrote: > > > > My TrackPoint tip is new and red and has that nice grainy resistive feel to > > it. What is the life on these parts before they need replacement? I will > > probably use my system an hour a day - every day. > > In my experience, they last, with 10 hr/day use ~ 60 days > > then, proportionally, with 1 hr/day use ~ 600 days > and with 100 hr/day use ~ 6 days > > _________________ > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 16 17:32:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA00947 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:32:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05399; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:20:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05166; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05139; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:20:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-327.gate.net [199.227.173.73]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA107438; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:21:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37E15F11.7E5DAE39@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:20:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint Tip (cover) Life References: <19990916104758.68882.qmail@hotmail.com> <37E0DB70.1A0C431E@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, if 600 hours/day use, then one day life.. really not sufficient for the real road warriors among us.. :-) Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Rat Boy wrote: > > > > My TrackPoint tip is new and red and has that nice grainy resistive feel to > > it. What is the life on these parts before they need replacement? I will > > probably use my system an hour a day - every day. > > In my experience, they last, with 10 hr/day use ~ 60 days > > then, proportionally, with 1 hr/day use ~ 600 days > and with 100 hr/day use ~ 6 days > > _________________ > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 16 21:48:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA02636 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:48:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13317; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:36:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13073; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13055; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.172 -> wya-lfd108.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:36:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 91940 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 23:16:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.251.89.64 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:16:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.251.89.64] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:16:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I thought it would be nice to give a personal report on my experience with the IBM service department. My 600E was picked up Tuesday around 5pm. It was sent to a repair station in a neighboring state. It was cool because Airborne picked it up and flew it out right before Floyd was suppose to lay the smack on us. I received it back today, Thursday, around noon. The machine seems to be in perfect working order without a scratch on it. The problem seems corrected and I must give them an award for turnaround time. The service is one of the reasons I chose the ThinkPad. I thought if I ever experienced a problem, I would like service to be transparent. I like it. I give them an A. Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Sep 16 21:54:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA02652 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:54:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13979; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13901; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13887; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:45:24 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-241.usc.edu [128.125.223.241]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA27257 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990916164229.02fe8c70@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:43:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept In-Reply-To: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:16 PM 09/16/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I received it back today, Thursday, around noon. The machine seems to be in >perfect working order without a scratch on it. The problem seems corrected >and I must give them an award for turnaround time. The service is one of >the reasons I chose the ThinkPad. I thought if I ever experienced a >problem, I would like service to be transparent. I like it. I give them an >A. I wonder if they're mending their ways after all the crap we've been reporting about them over the last couple of years? There was a time (approximately 5 years ago) when their service was above reproach--do you suppose they're actually returning to that excellent customer service level? - Randy From cph Fri Sep 17 00:16:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03426 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:16:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26562; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:09:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26310; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26296; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:09:01 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JG1Y2XE7C20A0588@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:07:29 CST Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:07:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: resolution for 770e To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: whts the resolution and refresh rate for thimpad 770 e ?? needed this info for linux installation (setting up x windows) also wht should be the mouse type ?? i cant seems to get the correct type !! the mouse wouldnt work under linux :( also while using the auto install and detect to configure x window the laptop just froze up ! any features(under windows or for the machine) that i should turn off first before trying to auto install X windows ?? From cph Fri Sep 17 01:48:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03721 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:48:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29667; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:43:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29515; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29502; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:43:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-423.gate.net [199.227.131.232]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10314; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:44:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1D4FC.10F291BE@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:43:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery maintenance References: <002a01bf007b$513d1c00$6b8bb3cc@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike... i can't speak to the 1412, but historically, thinkpads stop charging at 100% charge, and START charging below 95% charge.. you say you get 4 hours useage, then recharge, so its obvious you take it below 95%.. FWIW, i would let it cycle a few times, then if it still is doing this, get it fixed.. thats what warranties are for.. :-) mike wrote: > Hello All, > > I just bought a new i1412. Everything seems to be working great accept one > thing. The battery never say's 100% it always stops charging at 98%. But I > do get 4 hours out of it. Than this morning I get an email from IBM support > to download the latest BIOS, which I did, and installed it. But it made no > difference. Question, is it something to worry about? Thanks, Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Sep 17 01:50:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03728 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:50:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29944; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:46:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29788; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29765; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:46:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 26529 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 1999 05:46:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-tp750@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 26515 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 05:46:08 -0000 Received: from pdslppp226.sttl.uswest.net (HELO default) (63.224.33.226) by sttl3.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 05:46:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990916224359.00a6ac20@pop.sttl.uswest.net> X-Sender: jmcjr@pop.sttl.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:43:59 -0700 To: Randal Whittle , TP List From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990916164229.02fe8c70@rcf.usc.edu> References: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Today I sent my ThinkPad 560X to EZ Serv. I'm back to using my 760E for a while. It's still a damn fine machine. The problem with the 560X is simple. The left mouse button no longer works. This should be easy enough for EZ Serv to repair. I'll report back to the group on my experience. On disconcerting thing about this process. I registered my ThinkPad 560X electronically in January when I purchased it. IBM had no record of this registration. (I have the free screen saver to prove I registered.) The 560X was manufactured in August of 1998, so without the proof of purchase it was a couple of weeks out of warranty. I had to dig up my proof of purchase and fax a copy to IBM. I also had to include a copy of the proof of purchase to EZ Serv when I returned the machine. I am considering buying a two year warranty extension from IBM for the 560X. It costs about $100. I plan to make a decision in the next couple of months. Does anyone here have any experience with the warranty extension? John Callahan From cph Fri Sep 17 03:56:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04088 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:56:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11841; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11705; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11691; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:52:00 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1343.uhb.fr [192.134.240.32]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id JAA14519 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:51:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37E1F536.5E64@uhb.fr> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:00:54 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: New ThinkPads Pricing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I have two questions : 1) On my 770ED (5AO), EZ-S.M.A.R.T. finds that my Drive 0 is an "IBM-DYLA-28100" BUT the Drive Fitness Test software tells me it can't perform any test because my HD is not from IBM. How's that ? I know I could open the HD compartment and have a look, but I'm not sure I want to do that. 2) I know no one can guess what will be IBM's pricing on new TPs. But does anyone have an estimation ? From what I know, when IBM launched the 770, prices were sky-high (~$7.000 ?, and $10.000 in France...), but the 770Z started at about $5.500 ($7.000 in France), is that right ? Following a general trend, IBM seems to be slowly lowering prices, at least on high-end models. But then again, if the new 770 (or 775, 780 ?) is of a totally different design than the present 770, that would raise the price, wouldn't it ? So what about the next generation 770 and 600 line, due in october (am I wrong here ?) ? My guess would be something around $5.000 for the new top 770, and $4.000 for the 600. Any opinion, or is this question totally pointless ? From cph Fri Sep 17 04:24:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA04149 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:24:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15427; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15247; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15233; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:20:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA11750; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:20:08 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00cb01bf00e5$77578b40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "John Callahan" References: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990916224359.00a6ac20@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:20:10 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Does anyone here have any experience with the warranty extension? Only a strange one. I have an extension. Last January, when I needed service (broken latch), I called, and they told me that I was still covered under the *original* warrantee (not the extension). Then they wouldn't fix the machine anyway. - David From cph Fri Sep 17 07:19:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA04736 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:19:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27638; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27435; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27422; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.181 -> wya-lfd117.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:13:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 927 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 11:13:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990917111346.926.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:13:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.154] From: "Rat Boy" To: rwhittle@usa.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:13:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: >From: Randal Whittle >To: TP List >Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:43:50 -0700 > >At 04:16 PM 09/16/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >I received it back today, Thursday, around noon. The machine seems to be >in > >perfect working order without a scratch on it. The problem seems >corrected > >and I must give them an award for turnaround time. The service is one of > >the reasons I chose the ThinkPad. I thought if I ever experienced a > >problem, I would like service to be transparent. I like it. I give them >an > >A. > > I wonder if they're mending their ways after all the crap we've been >reporting about them over the last couple of years? > > There was a time (approximately 5 years ago) when their service was above >reproach--do you suppose they're actually returning to that excellent >customer service level? I really believe for any corporation to survive in this new economic environment they will need to provide exceptional service in addition to a solid, reliable product. IBM has realized and met the challenge. About ten years ago I was going to buy some computers for business. At that time the IBM reps were charging twice as much as competitors and their products or services were not any better than many cheaper competitors. Their original notebook attempts seemed, for a time, to be two steps behind the latest and greatest. They, at the time portrayed themselves as someone WE were fortunate to deal with - not the other way around. Remember microchannel? Any company or professional can get in a rut. We're all human. What separates a true blue chip from the chaff is the ability to monitor and self correct direction to deliver superior overall performance. When I look at the IBM ThinkPad product and it's service back up, I perceive they have done exactly that. They have pulled out the stops and delivered excellence. I am expressing an opinion. Note: I do not work for IBM or any technology or related company. > >- Randy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Fri Sep 17 10:39:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA05433 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:39:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11834; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:35:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11578; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11538; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.141 -> mta3.snfc21.pbi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-216-101-188-154.dialup.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.188.154]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11358; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E2523A.10BA5B03@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:37:47 -0700 From: Gerry Socco Reply-To: gerka@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: San Francisco Bay Area repair Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is there a local San Francisco Bay Area ThinkPad facility. I wouldn't mind getting some repairs done by a private party. I have a TP 760EL that needs a couple of small repairs...left latch, new floppy, new cd rom drive, etc. I'm also looking for a hdd? Thanks, Gerry SF From cph Fri Sep 17 11:14:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05674 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:14:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15570; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15313; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15234; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:11:01 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg136-149.ricochet.net [204.179.136.149]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10110; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:10:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01bf011f$0fd08140$9588b3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <37E2523A.10BA5B03@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area repair Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:12:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Try The Used Computer Store in Berkeley, 2440 Shattuck, 510-548-8686 I don't think they are IBM Business Partners. But they seem to know what they are talking about. Also I have found some IBM parts at cheap prices. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Socco To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:37 AM Subject: San Francisco Bay Area repair > Is there a local San Francisco Bay Area ThinkPad facility. I wouldn't > mind getting some repairs done by a private party. > I have a TP 760EL that needs a couple of small repairs...left latch, new > floppy, new cd rom drive, etc. > > I'm also looking for a hdd? > > > Thanks, > > Gerry > SF > > From cph Fri Sep 17 11:50:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06023 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:50:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19024; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:48:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18829; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18796; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:48:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-15.gate.net [207.36.212.15]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA308154; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37E262C6.54A69FFC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:48:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan CC: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept References: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990916224359.00a6ac20@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. if you intend to keep the 560X for the term or the extended warranty, then its well worth the $100.. it will also add value to the machine if you sell it before the expiration of the extended warranty John Callahan wrote: > Today I sent my ThinkPad 560X to EZ Serv. > > I'm back to using my 760E for a while. It's still a damn fine > machine. > > The problem with the 560X is simple. The left mouse button no longer > works. This should be easy enough for EZ Serv to repair. > > I'll report back to the group on my experience. > > On disconcerting thing about this process. I registered my ThinkPad > 560X electronically in January when I purchased it. IBM had no record > of this registration. (I have the free screen saver to prove I > registered.) > > The 560X was manufactured in August of 1998, so without the proof of > purchase it was a couple of weeks out of warranty. I had to dig up my > proof of purchase and fax a copy to IBM. I also had to include a copy > of the proof of purchase to EZ Serv when I returned the machine. > > I am considering buying a two year warranty extension from IBM for > the 560X. It costs about $100. I plan to make a decision in the next > couple of months. > > Does anyone here have any experience with the warranty extension? > > John Callahan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Sep 17 12:59:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06543 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:59:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24935; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:57:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24748; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nevis.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24732; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nevis.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.19 -> nevis.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:57:14 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by nevis.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA30476 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:57:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:57:11 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need extra cable for DVD Enhanced Video Adapter Message-ID: <19990917095711.A47202@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: I bought the Thinkpad DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, model 10L1228. It has a video out port AND a Dolby Digital AC-3 out port, but only one cable. It seems I can output either sound or picture, but not both. Problem is, I can't find out how to order just a cable from the IBM website, and I can't find the manual that may have come with the adapter (I did find some lint, a nickel, and other stuff while looking for it, though). Any ideas about how to identify this product to IBM would be welcome. -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail p.s. I already tried keyword searching on the IBM website and their search engine couldn't even find the pages I found manually that mentioned the AC-3 out port. From cph Fri Sep 17 13:49:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07006 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29174; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28845; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28792; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (63.67.120.3 -> scully.zoominternet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:45:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 5423 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from acs78.zbzoom.net (HELO tomscomputer) (63.76.184.78) by scully.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 17:45:18 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: Subject: Additional Memory Install Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bf0134$83ac5660$4eb84c3f@tomscomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: ThinkPad 600E: 26454BU, 400MHZ Received new computer today & installed additional 128MB of memory(IBM)......in the box with the memory is a floppy disk titled "ThinkPad ACP Patch for ThinkPad 600,770,770E. The installation paper with the floppy says to install the ACP Patch...I have not installed the patch. I installed the memory & the computer booted up fine. the installation instruction say to install the patch before installing the memory. Is it necessary to install the patch & what do I do now, that I've already installed the memory? Thanks for any info... Tom Jones From cph Fri Sep 17 14:16:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07198 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:16:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02406; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02137; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02123; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:05 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14187; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37E284D9.D14C8331@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:13:45 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: taj@nauticom.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Additional Memory Install References: <000901bf0134$83ac5660$4eb84c3f@tomscomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have ignored that patch for 1.3 years without incident. I thought it was bizarre to get a patch with memory. I have updated my BIOS regularly though. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Sep 17 20:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA09789 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:27:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28023; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27865; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27850; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:24:36 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.192.171]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990918002432.TWHE17922@oemcomputer>; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:24:32 +0000 Message-ID: <37E2D946.405E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:13:58 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquerx@worldnetx.attx.xnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan CC: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept References: <19990916231610.91939.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990916224359.00a6ac20@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Callahan wrote: > > I am considering buying a two year warranty extension from IBM for > the 560X. It costs about $100. I plan to make a decision in the next > couple of months. > > Does anyone here have any experience with the warranty extension? > > John Callahan You mean one additional year. EZserve calls the pack 2 year warranty -they mean including the one year that came with the laptop. It is about $100 for each additional year --NOT two years for $100. -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove all Xs before Name & World when replying sbryquer@worldnet.att.net From cph Fri Sep 17 21:37:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10062 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00758; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:35:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00639; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mets.tcimet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00626; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mets.tcimet.net (198.109.160.2 -> news.tci.east-lansing.mi.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:35:40 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu ([207.75.241.21]) by mets.tcimet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24388; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rockwell@mets.tcimet.net Message-ID: <37E2FB6D.2D643CE5@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:39:41 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Do the service contracts start from the date original warranty runs out or from the day of purchase. Many companies misleadingly overlap service contracts with the original warranty. Does the 2 year contract extend the original warranty by one or two years? I looked at ibm.com and it wasn't really clear. Thanks, Tom 560x/RedHat6 + WinNT relegated to running in VMWare :-) From cph Sat Sep 18 01:30:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10879 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:30:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11094; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10910; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10893; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:26:19 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (cube.az.com [216.145.8.237]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28423 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199909180526.WAA28423@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:33:32 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 365 series question List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a question for the 365XD TP owners.... Any of you running Windows 98? Any problems with it and the TP? Any installation glitches you want to share? I'm getting ready to re-roll out my harddrives on my tower. I have to get to know the guts of Outlook inside and out and I don't like some of the "features" of Windows 98 (Such as auto send information to the evil empire even when i said no). So I'm going to put 98 on my TP and leave 95 on the tower. I'll have to double check the matrix to see if I do have the current bios but when I got the TP, I did put on a bios fix that came out right when 98 flopped itself onto the scene. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sat Sep 18 02:12:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10989 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:12:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12382; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:07:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12284; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12268; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:07:35 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.0.224]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990918060726.ZANK17922@oemcomputer>; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: <37E32890.22AC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:52:17 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquerx@worldnetx.attx.xnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept References: <37E2FB6D.2D643CE5@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom Rockwell wrote: > > Do the service contracts start from the date original warranty runs out > or from the day of purchase. Many companies misleadingly overlap > service contracts with the original warranty. Does the 2 year contract > extend the original warranty by one or two years? > You have to purchase the extention while the original warranty is still valid and it starts when the original one runs out. If you read the IBM price grid is mentions in a footnote that 2 years includes the one year from the original, except in models that have originals of 3 years e.g. 770. In order to get 2 additional years you have to buy the 3 year package for $200. -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove all Xs before Name & World when replying sbryquer@worldnet.att.net From cph Sat Sep 18 06:06:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA11550 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:06:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08118; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:03:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07936; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07922; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (130.223.8.20 -> uldns1.unil.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:03:18 -0400 Received: from pcibcm130c.unil.ch ([130.223.201.97] helo=ibcmphys1) by uldns1.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 11SHKs-0002hd-00; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:03:14 +0200 From: "Etienne Pralong" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: IBM TP600 and IBM-DCXA-208100-Travelstart 10 GT 8.1 compatibility Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:02:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909180526.WAA28423@www.az.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I woul like to know if it is possible to upgrade my HD in a TP 600 >from 4 GB to 8 GB. I would like to buy a " cheap " BM-DCXA-208100-Travelstar, will it work in my TP600. If no, any better suggestions. Thank You for your answer Epralong@ibcm.unil.ch From cph Sat Sep 18 13:16:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12783 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:16:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21317; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:15:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21212; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.megsinet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21197; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.megsinet.net (216.214.150.11 -> mailcluster-b.corecomm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:14:56 -0400 Received: from lia (tnt15c-158.focal-chi.corecomm.net) by mail.megsinet.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FI900G4MMTW9J@mail.megsinet.net> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:20:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:15:55 -0500 From: dennis pantazis Subject: EZ-Serve In-reply-to: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: I just got my TP560 back from EZ-Serve. I must say that this time the service was excellent. I am on an extended service agreement and it took 3 days round trip. The replaced the DC-DC converter (second time), the LCD Panel (second time as well, last time it was replaced when it came back there was a field of bad green pixels dead center on the screen). As well, the usual return form was filled out a bit more than usual, and with a 'short' personal thank you from the tech. Dennis From cph Sun Sep 19 00:36:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14567 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:36:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12125; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:35:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11969; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11956; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:35:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 24472 invoked by uid 66); 19 Sep 1999 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Sep 19 04:36:40 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id B3B7A6010; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:17:11 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM TP600 and IBM-DCXA-208100-Travelstart 10 GT 8.1 compatibility Date: 18 Sep 1999 23:17:11 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7s16hn$sou$1@seneca.muc.de> References: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 937696631 29470 127.0.0.1 (18 Sep 1999 23:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 23:17:11 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Etienne Pralong wrote: > Hello, I woul like to know if it is possible to upgrade my HD in a TP 600 > from 4 GB to > 8 GB. I would like to buy a " cheap " BM-DCXA-208100-Travelstar, will it > work in my TP600. like hell. You can install any 12 mm IBM disk. -- Only God can make random selections. From cph Sun Sep 19 01:59:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14706 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:59:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14884; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:57:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14759; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14745; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.12 -> smtp02.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:57:41 -0400 Received: from Global Online.gol.com (tc-1-1-188.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.188]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 04FB91575D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:57:33 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990919142448.00878c70@popmail.gol.com> X-Sender: starmax@popmail.gol.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:48 +0900 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR Port on ThinkPad 240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 questions, perhaps elementary, about the IR port on the ThinkPad 240: 1. From the outside, the port appears to be covered with opaque black plastic. Is this a cover, and if so, how does one remove it? 2. What software/hardware does one need to use the IR port to connect the ThinkPad with a desktop machine? From cph Sun Sep 19 02:10:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14727 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:10:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15441; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15324; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15309; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.2 -> sttl2.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:09:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 20002 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 06:09:34 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 19984 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 1999 06:09:33 -0000 Received: from pdslppp226.sttl.uswest.net (HELO default) (63.224.33.226) by pop.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 06:09:33 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990918230131.00a853b0@pop.sttl.uswest.net> X-Sender: jmcjr@pop.sttl.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:01:31 -0700 To: Tom Rockwell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Sent my ThinkPad to Service Dept In-Reply-To: <37E2FB6D.2D643CE5@pa.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:39 PM 9/17/99 -0400, Tom Rockwell wrote: >Do the service contracts start from the date original warranty runs out >or from the day of purchase. Many companies misleadingly overlap >service contracts with the original warranty. Does the 2 year contract >extend the original warranty by one or two years? I bought an "four year extended warranty" -- not from IBM -- when I bought my ThinkPad 76E. I bought a refurb and PC Connection said it had only a 90-day warranty. When I called IBM, the tech support rep said I had a 3-year warranty and IBM didn't care if the machine was a refurb or new. The warranty was the same. When I got the paperwork from PC Connection on this "extended warranty" it turned out to be an insurance policy from some company in St. Louis. It explicitly stated that this policy became effective only on expiration of the manufacturer's warranty. So, in effect, I was paying about $160 for an extra year of coverage. I cancelled the policy through PC Connection and received a prompt credit on my credit card. I'm now very careful to read the fine print. BTW, some other resellers sell extended warranties or service policies for ThinkPads that are not from IBM. I have no interest in an extended maintenance agreement from a third party. Caveat emptor. I sent the 760E to EZ Serv once a couple of years ago for a repair under warranty. The machine would start up by itself when the lid was closed. Very scary (reminded me of HAL) and very hard on batteries. IBM replaced the system board and had the machine back to me in three days. I shudder to think what the repair would have cost if I had to pay for it. That's why I'm pretty sure I'll buy the extra two years for my 560X. It will be worth $200 for the peace of mind. > >I looked at ibm.com and it wasn't really clear. > >Thanks, >Tom >560x/RedHat6 + WinNT relegated to running in VMWare :-) > > John Callahan From cph Sun Sep 19 06:50:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA24685 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:49:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10260; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10066; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10033; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.12 -> smtp02.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:47:06 -0400 Received: from Global Online.gol.com (tc-1-2-103.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.103]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A96AA1573C for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:46:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990919193927.0087adc0@popmail.gol.com> X-Sender: starmax@popmail.gol.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:39:27 +0900 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Get out of Hibernation Mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: How do I get my thinkpad 240 out of hibernation mode? I don't have a hibernation mode diskette, and the keys and power supply no longer work From cph Sun Sep 19 07:34:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA24736 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:34:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11743; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:32:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11549; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11531; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:32:27 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21051; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E4C8E2.D660AAED@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:28:34 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jme@consultant.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IR Port on ThinkPad 240 References: <3.0.5.32.19990919142448.00878c70@popmail.gol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The "cover" looks opaque, but it is transparent to IR. We thought the same thing. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sun Sep 19 14:10:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25551 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:10:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22278; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:06:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22114; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22099; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:06:13 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.164.251]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990919180613.BYG21051.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <004301bf02c4$dd6e4460$fba4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Allan Ballard" Subject: Re: Dock II Bios? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Allan, The dock II doesn't have a computer BIOS (or any flashable firmware that I know of). The thinkpad's BIOS contains the interface to talk to the dock II. Do you have the latest BIOS installed in your thinkpad? I seem to recall some BIOS update release notes describing dock II fixes for the TP755. But the point is those bugs were fixed by updating the laptop's BIOS not any firmware in the dock II. That said, when cold booting a thinkpad inserted into a dock II, a SCSI BIOS extension is (optionally) loaded and hooked into the laptop's BIOS for SCSI drive support (by Adaptec). This extension is only needed if running native MSDOS and accessing SCSI devices. It is not used by Windows or Unix unless you are booting off a SCSI disk and then only at boot time. Adaptec probably used EPROM (non-flash) to store the SCSI firmware requiring a chip swap to update. I doubt there is a need for it though. In fact, I disable the SCSI BIOS hooks (via control A at boot) unless I want to boot from a SCSI disk and/or install an OS from SCSI CDROM (via native MSDOS prompt) Doing so will prevent the SCSI BIOS extension from using space in the range between 640k-1M. Dock II compatible (ISA) thinkpads can have conflict issues here that can cause OS flakiness. Aaron Brown. >Hello, > >Can the Dock II bios be updated? > >So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. > >Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? > >Allan Ballard > From cph Sun Sep 19 14:32:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25619 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:32:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23558; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23408; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23393; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:30:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA90188; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:31:19 -0400 Message-ID: <37E52BC5.8B2D7FAE@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:30:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mick McQuaid CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need extra cable for DVD Enhanced Video Adapter References: <19990917095711.A47202@U.Arizona.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mick.. they are available from IBM boulder parts.. 800-388-7080.. the FRU # is 85G1897, they are about $35.. i may have an extra one i can sell, but i must look around for it.. :-) Mick McQuaid wrote: > I bought the Thinkpad DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, model > 10L1228. It has a video out port AND a Dolby Digital > AC-3 out port, but only one cable. It seems I canay have a new one > output either sound or picture, but not both. Problem > is, I can't find out how to order just a cable from the > IBM website, and I can't find the manual that may have > come with the adapter (I did find some lint, a nickel, > and other stuff while looking for it, though). Any > ideas about how to identify this product to IBM would > be welcome. > > -- > Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu > 520-621-4074 office / voice mail > > p.s. I already tried keyword searching on the IBM website > and their search engine couldn't even find the > pages I found manually that mentioned the > AC-3 out port. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 19 14:35:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25630 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:35:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24025; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:34:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23889; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23864; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:34:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA71646; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:35:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37E52CAC.524428D7@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:34:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Etienne Pralong CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: IBM TP600 and IBM-DCXA-208100-Travelstart 10 GT 8.1 compatibility References: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Etienne... Yes, the 8gig should work fine in your 600.. i would suggest a 10gig though, since the cost should not be much higher and you get 20% more capacity.. thus far, all 12.5mm or 9mm drives work fine in the 600... around christmas (maybe earlier) the 18gig, 12.5mm drives should be widely available.. Etienne Pralong wrote: > Hello, I woul like to know if it is possible to upgrade my HD in a TP 600 > from 4 GB to > 8 GB. I would like to buy a " cheap " BM-DCXA-208100-Travelstar, will it > work in my TP600. If no, any better suggestions. > > Thank You for your answer > > Epralong@ibcm.unil.ch -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 19 16:33:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26005 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:33:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28289; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28180; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28153; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:32:44 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA27576; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909192032.PAA27576@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-52.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.52) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027255; Sun Sep 19 15:31:48 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <004301bf02c4$dd6e4460$fba4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dock II Bios? List-Unsubscribe: Aaron, Thank you for this information. It is most helpful. I tried the Control A routine, but hit a snag. It generated an IC 301 error, then went into the SCSI setup. Allan Ballard On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:31:51 -0500, Aaron W. Brown wrote: >Hi Allan, > > The dock II doesn't have a computer BIOS (or any flashable firmware that I >know of). The thinkpad's BIOS contains the interface to talk to the dock >II. Do you have the latest BIOS installed in your thinkpad? I seem to >recall some BIOS update release notes describing dock II fixes for the >TP755. But the point is those bugs were fixed by updating the laptop's BIOS >not any firmware in the dock II. > That said, when cold booting a thinkpad inserted into a dock II, a SCSI >BIOS extension is (optionally) loaded and hooked into the laptop's BIOS for >SCSI drive support (by Adaptec). This extension is only needed if running >native MSDOS and accessing SCSI devices. It is not used by Windows or Unix >unless you are booting off a SCSI disk and then only at boot time. > Adaptec probably used EPROM (non-flash) to store the SCSI firmware >requiring a chip swap to update. I doubt there is a need for it though. In >fact, I disable the SCSI BIOS hooks (via control A at boot) unless I want to >boot from a SCSI disk and/or install an OS from SCSI CDROM (via native MSDOS >prompt) Doing so will prevent the SCSI BIOS extension from using space in >the range between 640k-1M. Dock II compatible (ISA) thinkpads can have >conflict issues here that can cause OS flakiness. > > >Aaron Brown. > >>Hello, >> >>Can the Dock II bios be updated? >> >>So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. >> >>Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? >> >>Allan Ballard >> > > > > From cph Sun Sep 19 19:51:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26681 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:51:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18461; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:49:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17840; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17756; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:48:51 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20425 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:48:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909192348.SAA20425@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-52.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.52) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020416; Sun Sep 19 18:48:18 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP and Logitech mice List-Unsubscribe: Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart mouse on a Thinkpad? Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point device? I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. Allan Ballard GO BRAVES From cph Sun Sep 19 20:41:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26802 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22123; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22002; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21981; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:40:13 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebm3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.46.195]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA08076; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <199909192348.SAA20425@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Allan, I've been using LOGITECH trackballs with my TP770 for a couple of years now, also to do architectural work. There may be other more sophisticated ways of doing it, but all I do is connect the mouse to the mouse port and make sure in the ThinkPad Configuration that the Trackpoint is not disabled. That way I can use either. -Bill Go Yankees AND Mets! -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:49 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP and Logitech mice Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart mouse on a Thinkpad? Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point device? I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. Allan Ballard GO BRAVES From cph Sun Sep 19 21:20:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26902 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:20:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23883; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:19:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23733; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23696; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:19:00 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA29764; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909200118.UAA29764@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-52.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.52) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029688; Sun Sep 19 20:18:06 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "William Armstrong" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Thanks.! I'll pick one up pronto. Allan Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:42:32 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Allan, > >I've been using LOGITECH trackballs with my TP770 for a couple of years now, >also to do architectural work. There may be other more sophisticated ways >of doing it, but all I do is connect the mouse to the mouse port and make >sure in the ThinkPad Configuration that the Trackpoint is not disabled. >That way I can use either. > >-Bill >Go Yankees AND Mets! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:49 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: TP and Logitech mice > > >Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart >mouse on a Thinkpad? > >Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point >device? > >I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, >and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as >they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. > >Allan Ballard > GO BRAVES > From cph Sun Sep 19 21:38:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26953 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:38:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24877; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:37:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24762; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24749; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebm3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.46.195]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26231; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <199909200118.UAA29764@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Allan, One other word. Don't expect to get all of the neat functions one can get >from the three or four buttins of a LOGITECH mouse while connected to a ThinkPad. You will not be using the LOGITECH drivers for the mouse, rather the Trackpoint drivers, unless someone else here can show us how to use both simultaneously. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:19 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; William Armstrong Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice Bill, Thanks.! I'll pick one up pronto. Allan Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:42:32 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Allan, > >I've been using LOGITECH trackballs with my TP770 for a couple of years now, >also to do architectural work. There may be other more sophisticated ways >of doing it, but all I do is connect the mouse to the mouse port and make >sure in the ThinkPad Configuration that the Trackpoint is not disabled. >That way I can use either. > >-Bill >Go Yankees AND Mets! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:49 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: TP and Logitech mice > > >Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart >mouse on a Thinkpad? > >Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point >device? > >I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, >and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as >they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. > >Allan Ballard > GO BRAVES > From cph Sun Sep 19 21:59:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27034 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:59:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26239; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26060; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26044; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:54:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA05131; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:54:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909200154.UAA05131@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-52.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.52) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005113; Sun Sep 19 20:54:34 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "William Armstrong" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice List-Unsubscribe: Bill, The drivers go to the heart of the question. Without them, I don't know if the Logitech would be too much help. I had wanted to load them anyway, just to get the "smart" feature, so the cursor would go to the Ok of the next opened window. But, the feature that allows for fine increments of mouse movement for larger movements of the mouse would be most helpful in constructing a drawing. I will hold off on loading a Logitech driver to give anyone with experience in this area time to comment. Thanks again. Allan Ballard Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:34 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Allan, > >One other word. Don't expect to get all of the neat functions one can get >from the three or four buttins of a LOGITECH mouse while connected to a >ThinkPad. You will not be using the LOGITECH drivers for the mouse, rather >the Trackpoint drivers, unless someone else here can show us how to use both >simultaneously. > >-Bill > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:19 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; William Armstrong >Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice > > >Bill, > >Thanks.! > >I'll pick one up pronto. > >Allan > > Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:42:32 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: > >>Allan, >> >>I've been using LOGITECH trackballs with my TP770 for a couple of years >now, >>also to do architectural work. There may be other more sophisticated ways >>of doing it, but all I do is connect the mouse to the mouse port and make >>sure in the ThinkPad Configuration that the Trackpoint is not disabled. >>That way I can use either. >> >>-Bill >>Go Yankees AND Mets! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:49 PM >>To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Subject: TP and Logitech mice >> >> >>Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart >>mouse on a Thinkpad? >> >>Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point >>device? >> >>I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, >>and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as >>they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. >> >>Allan Ballard >> GO BRAVES >> > > From cph Mon Sep 20 00:23:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27569 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:23:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02939; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:21:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02746; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02732; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:21:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA30776 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:23:53 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:23:52 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 Memory prices? In-Reply-To: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I got a quote from a dealer for $195 for 64M of RAM for my TP600. This price sounds outragious, and I was wondering if it's the "normal" price for it. Is there a more reasonable way of upgrading our machines? Thanks, -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 20 00:56:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27651 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:56:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03874; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03771; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03745; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-359.gate.net [199.227.131.168]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA76934; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37E5BD38.95A926EB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:51:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Turgut Kalfaoglu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: prices on all memory jumped up in the last few weeks.. the 8meg parts took the biggest jump gossip is it'll stay up until christmas.. thats GOSSIP, not a prediction.. the last 64meg i sold was about $115.. Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: > I got a quote from a dealer for $195 for 64M of RAM for my TP600. > This price sounds outragious, and I was wondering if it's the "normal" > price for it. Is there a more reasonable way of upgrading our machines? > > Thanks, -turgut > > ----- > Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 20 02:42:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA27932 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:41:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07384; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:39:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07159; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07138; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:39:28 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.168.178]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990920063929.AAH15098.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bf032e$16e5c880$b2a8b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Allan Ballard" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Dock II Bios? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:05:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Allan, I believe that's a keyboard error you get when a key is depressed during the boot time keyboard test. The test reports a key is stuck, but you were probably holding down the key to make sure you hit fast enough. Aaron. >Aaron, > >Thank you for this information. It is most helpful. >I tried the Control A routine, but hit a snag. It >generated an IC 301 error, then went into >the SCSI setup. > >Allan Ballard > >On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:31:51 -0500, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > >>Hi Allan, >> >> The dock II doesn't have a computer BIOS (or any flashable firmware that I >>know of). The thinkpad's BIOS contains the interface to talk to the dock >>II. Do you have the latest BIOS installed in your thinkpad? I seem to >>recall some BIOS update release notes describing dock II fixes for the >>TP755. But the point is those bugs were fixed by updating the laptop's BIOS >>not any firmware in the dock II. >> That said, when cold booting a thinkpad inserted into a dock II, a SCSI >>BIOS extension is (optionally) loaded and hooked into the laptop's BIOS for >>SCSI drive support (by Adaptec). This extension is only needed if running >>native MSDOS and accessing SCSI devices. It is not used by Windows or Unix >>unless you are booting off a SCSI disk and then only at boot time. >> Adaptec probably used EPROM (non-flash) to store the SCSI firmware >>requiring a chip swap to update. I doubt there is a need for it though. In >>fact, I disable the SCSI BIOS hooks (via control A at boot) unless I want to >>boot from a SCSI disk and/or install an OS from SCSI CDROM (via native MSDOS >>prompt) Doing so will prevent the SCSI BIOS extension from using space in >>the range between 640k-1M. Dock II compatible (ISA) thinkpads can have >>conflict issues here that can cause OS flakiness. >> >> >>Aaron Brown. >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Can the Dock II bios be updated? >>> >>>So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. >>> >>>Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? >>> >>>Allan Ballard >>> >> >> >> >> > > From cph Mon Sep 20 03:53:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA28068 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:53:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18179; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:51:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18040; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18024; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (202.77.253.46 -> olsmail1.att.net.hk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:51:46 -0400 Received: from steve (ppp8-159.att.net.hk [202.77.160.159]) by olsmail1.att.net.hk (8.8.8/AT&T-EasyLink-AP) with SMTP id PAA21025; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:51:23 +0800 (HKT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Wong" To: "'I Lee Hetherington'" , Cc: Subject: RE: IR Port on ThinkPad 240 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:00:42 +0800 Message-ID: <000001bf033e$3dd83b20$9fa04dca@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37E4C8E2.D660AAED@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Actually, I saw an IR port with the cover fell off on an Acer laptop (TravelMate 311T). It had 2 IR diodes presumably one was for sending and the other for receiving. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:29 PM To: jme@consultant.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IR Port on ThinkPad 240 The "cover" looks opaque, but it is transparent to IR. We thought the same thing. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Sep 20 05:08:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA28246 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23114; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:07:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22983; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22958; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:05:47 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-17.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA26150; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990920050504.0080ca30@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:05:04 -0700 To: Turgut Kalfaoglu , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? In-Reply-To: References: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:23 AM 09/20/1999 +0400, Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: >I got a quote from a dealer for $195 for 64M of RAM for my TP600. >This price sounds outragious, and I was wondering if it's the "normal" >price for it. Is there a more reasonable way of upgrading our machines? OUCH, I just checked current quotes for Kingston (Formerly the least expensive brand out there): Size 9/10 9/20 ---------------------------------- 32megs $41.95 $109.95 64megs $71.95 $202.95 128megs $183.95 $429.95 ---------------------------------- Sheesh......I said on 9/10 for anyone interested in upgrading their Thinkpad's memory to buy immediately. I took my own advice and purchased 10 surplus 128meg upgrades for clients. Basically, a 64meg upgrade costs more than 128meg upgrade did *10* days ago. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 20 05:29:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA28322 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:29:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29695; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29209; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29094; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:26:51 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23592 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:26:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002301bf034a$4614e160$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:26:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Incidentally, it might be possible to avoid these memory bumps by avoiding Asian manufacturers (who seem to be behind the recent shortage). In particular, Micron in the US still had relatively low prices when I last looked (see www.crucial.com), and in Europe the same *might* be true for Siemens. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 5:23 PM Subject: TP600 Memory prices? > I got a quote from a dealer for $195 for 64M of RAM for my TP600. > This price sounds outragious, and I was wondering if it's the "normal" > price for it. Is there a more reasonable way of upgrading our machines? > > Thanks, -turgut > > ----- > Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr > > From cph Mon Sep 20 05:49:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA28370 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02451; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:48:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02350; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02314; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:47:09 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-17.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA10645; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990920054554.00fae7b0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:45:54 -0700 To: "David Ross" , From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? In-Reply-To: <002301bf034a$4614e160$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:26 PM 09/19/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Incidentally, it might be possible to avoid these memory bumps by avoiding Asian manufacturers >(who seem to be behind the recent shortage). In particular, Micron in the US still had relatively low >prices when I last looked (see www.crucial.com), and in Europe the same *might* be true for >Siemens. I just checked crucial's website. Prices are nice, low and stable there: 16meg 26.99 32meg 53.99 64meg 88.19 128meg 197.99 What was formerly a set of higher prices compared to asian makers is now drastically lower. FYI, their 64meg PC100 is $90.00, and their 128meg PC100 is $190.00 ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 20 06:48:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA28678 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:48:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04409; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04299; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04285; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:47:06 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.16.109] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFBDA66007A; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:43:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00c601bf0355$cd8df7c0$b51382cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: WTB:755CX 32mb Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:49:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01BF0334.45F610C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01BF0334.45F610C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of mine is = in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very expensive = for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used module.=20 Thanks, 'preciate it! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01BF0334.45F610C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While it seems that everyone is on the = topic of=20 ram, a buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason = RAM is=20 very expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used = module.=20
 
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-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01BF0334.45F610C0-- From cph Mon Sep 20 07:04:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28693 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:04:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05095; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:03:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04980; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out1.euro.apple.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04960; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out1.euro.apple.com (194.151.19.115 -> mail-out1.euro.apple.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:03:35 -0400 Received: from relay2.euro.apple.com (A17-71-100-30.apple.com [17.71.100.30]) by mail-out1.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28733 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:03:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from martini (martini.euro.apple.com [17.69.12.117]) by relay2.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03847 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:03:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Martin Reed" To: Subject: installing NT on 570 or 600 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf0357$abd711a0$750c4511@martini.euro.apple.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: We are planning to purchase a couple of 570 and 600E models to demo software packages. As we already own sufficient NT licences we plan on getting Win98 loaded variants. Anyone know of any gotchas in the installing NT, please? It is not entirely clear from IBM's support site as to whether *all* necessary s/w for NT can be downloaded, or whether some pieces only come with a system pre-installed for NT. The area of PC Card services springs to mind. Many thanks, Martin Reed From cph Mon Sep 20 07:44:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28776 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:44:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05799; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:20:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05676; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05624; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:18:45 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-17.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.17]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29008 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990920071800.01222460@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:18:00 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: installing NT on 570 or 600 In-Reply-To: <000001bf0357$abd711a0$750c4511@martini.euro.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:02 PM 09/20/1999 +0100, Martin Reed wrote: >We are planning to purchase a couple of 570 and 600E models to demo software >packages. As we already own sufficient NT licences we plan on getting Win98 >loaded variants. > >Anyone know of any gotchas in the installing NT, please? It is not entirely >clear from IBM's support site as to whether *all* necessary s/w for NT can be >downloaded, or whether some pieces only come with a system pre-installed for NT. >The area of PC Card services springs to mind. I've installed NT 4.0 SP5 on numerous TP600's with minimal to zero problems. I always keep a CDRW with all the newest drivers from IBM, and the installation was straight forward and easy from the autoboot CD. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 20 09:39:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA29123 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12895; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:37:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12735; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12719; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:37:22 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25448; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37E63876.3808326@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:36:54 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Turgut Kalfaoglu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: www.shopper.com reveals prices from $68 to $200 for 64MB Kingston, with most around $100. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Sep 20 11:02:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29645 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19778; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:00:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19600; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19484; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-73.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.73]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA06860; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990920105631.00fb0100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:56:31 -0700 To: I Lee Hetherington , Turgut Kalfaoglu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37E63876.3808326@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:36 AM 09/20/1999 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >www.shopper.com reveals prices from $68 to $200 for 64MB Kingston, with >most around $100. Since Kingston has typically had the best pricing on memory for our beloved Thinkpads, here is a press release by Kingston themselves detailing the recent rise in memory prices: http://www.kingston.com/press/1999/n9909b.asp ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 20 11:21:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29748 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:21:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22049; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:18:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21651; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21629; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:18:19 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA13168 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990920081128.00c0ad30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:17:13 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Thinkpad 390x announced In-Reply-To: <37E15FE7.EBA2B269@icanect.net> References: <19990916104758.68882.qmail@hotmail.com> <37E0DB70.1A0C431E@netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA29749 Function Intel Mobile Celeron processor at 400 MHz with 128 KB onboard level 2 cache or Pentium II processor at 400 MHz with 256 KB onboard level 2 cache Giant XGA TFT 381-mm (15-in) active matrix display or large XGA TFT 358-mm (14.1-in) active matrix display, both with 1024 x 768 resolution; the SVGA TFT 308-mm (12.1-in) active matrix display has 800 x 600 resolution Replaceable/upgradable S.M.A.R.T. 6.4 GB or 4.8 GB HDD 24x-10x variable speed CD-ROM HDD, FDD, and CD-ROM all within the covers of the notebook with no need to swap FDD and CD-ROM drives MPEG-1 playback enables educational, entertainment, and other high-quality multimedia viewing applications Excellent sound quality with two stereo speakers, 16-bit stereo audio supporting Sound Blaster Pro Preinstalled Software Windows 98 and selected applications preinstalled. Some software may differ from its retail available version (if available) and may not include user's manuals or all program function. or Windows NT® preinstalled on selected model Recovery CD Lotus SmartSuite Millennium DMI 2.0-compliant via software upgrade Much more information available at: http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_199-243 From cph Mon Sep 20 14:18:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30774 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:18:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10068; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:14:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09575; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09526; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:14:37 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:00:49 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-40.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.40]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bf0393$ef4c63e0$2481fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Slip" Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,jlk@innernet.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-40.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.40] List-Unsubscribe: check on the newsgroups I bought a brand new Kingston from a guy on the newsgroup a few weeks ago for $50.00 32 meg for my 755cx..I believe i saw some on there a few days ago but I'm not sure I was browsing at the time and not fully awake this shift work in murder.. Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net I will give up my weapons when everybody in the world is a law abiding citizen. For more info on Quake and Quakeworld http://www.planetquake.com or http://www.quakeworld.net and now Quake III arena at http://www.q3test.com and For F-Body info point you browser to http://www.depew.net/classic.html -----Original Message----- From: Slip To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 5:34 AM Subject: WTB:755CX 32mb While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used module. Thanks, 'preciate it! -Jamie From cph Mon Sep 20 15:34:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31260 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20766; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19814; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19799; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:28:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA25391; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:24:25 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101bf039d$c3bc2760$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: References: <3.0.6.32.19990920105631.00fb0100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:24:30 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > http://www.kingston.com/press/1999/n9909b.asp Interesting that they suggest production problems for Micron, given that the latter is coming up with relatively low prices. BTW, Micron is being accused of dumping in Taiwan - now there's a switch! Here's a pointer to the relevant story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/990919-000004.html BTW, today's issue of The Register also has stories about a new line of notebook HD upgrade kits >from Kingston, and bits of an interview with the head of Twinhead predicting massive drops in notebook prices in 2001. - David From cph Mon Sep 20 19:12:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32552 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:12:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13385; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:11:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13230; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13208; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:11:09 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.16.98] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE0192B00A4; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <006801bf03bd$aaf44260$621082cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Thinkpad RAM cross-reference. Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:12:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF039C.1A9F6B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF039C.1A9F6B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Seems there's been a couple inquiries about ram(including myself) so = I'm curious to know if there's any cross-reference site for Thinkpad = systems. In particular, I have a 16Mb 701C stick leftover from an = upgrade and would like to know if it'd work in a 760ED or 755CX. I'v = since sold the 701 so it's of no use to me. Thanks much! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF039C.1A9F6B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    Seems there's been a = couple=20 inquiries about ram(including myself) so I'm curious to know if there's = any=20 cross-reference site for Thinkpad systems. In particular, I have a 16Mb = 701C=20 stick leftover from an upgrade and would like to know if it'd work in a = 760ED or=20 755CX. I'v since sold the 701 so it's of no use to me.
 
Thanks much!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF039C.1A9F6B20-- From cph Mon Sep 20 19:20:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32620 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:20:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14328; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14056; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14043; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-199.gate.net [199.227.131.8]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA424324 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37E6C0B5.D63BDFCA@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: memory pricing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, there was a big earthquake in taiwan today so watch the RAM spot market go crazy.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 20 19:23:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32639 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:23:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14713; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14135; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14075; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-199.gate.net [199.227.131.8]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA303188; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:59 -0400 Message-ID: <37E6C0AF.26572F85@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:18:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad RAM cross-reference. References: <006801bf03bd$aaf44260$621082cd@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D62B18C2656BB159C55B6015" List-Unsubscribe: --------------D62B18C2656BB159C55B6015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 701 won't work in any other thinkpad.. not the 760 or 755... the only POSSIBLE exception is the 365E series.. stress possible.. Slip wrote: > Hi there, Seems there's been a couple inquiries about ram(including > myself) so I'm curious to know if there's any cross-reference site for > Thinkpad systems. In particular, I have a 16Mb 701C stick leftover > from an upgrade and would like to know if it'd work in a 760ED or > 755CX. I'v since sold the 701 so it's of no use to me. Thanks > much!-Jamie -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------D62B18C2656BB159C55B6015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 701 won't work in any other thinkpad..
not the 760 or 755...

the only POSSIBLE exception is the 365E series..
stress possible..

Slip wrote:

Hi there,    Seems there's been a couple inquiries about ram(including myself) so I'm curious to know if there's any cross-reference site for Thinkpad systems. In particular, I have a 16Mb 701C stick leftover from an upgrade and would like to know if it'd work in a 760ED or 755CX. I'v since sold the 701 so it's of no use to me. Thanks much!-Jamie

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------D62B18C2656BB159C55B6015-- From cph Mon Sep 20 19:24:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32647 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:24:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15015; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14755; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14663; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-199.gate.net [199.227.131.8]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA158978; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37E6C166.34019ECB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:21:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb References: <00c601bf0355$cd8df7c0$b51382cd@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------224C878EA5CCDF231D463523" List-Unsubscribe: --------------224C878EA5CCDF231D463523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 755CX does not use an SODIMM.. it uses a credit card sdram module.. looks like a pcmcia card, and the 755CX version is the same as the 360's.. it is non-parity, thus it is the cheaper of the two.. Slip wrote: > While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of mine > is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very > expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used > module. Thanks, 'preciate it!-Jamie -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------224C878EA5CCDF231D463523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 755CX does not use an SODIMM..
it uses a credit card sdram module..
looks like a pcmcia card, and the 755CX version is the same as the 360's..
it is non-parity, thus it is the cheaper of the two..

Slip wrote:

While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used module. Thanks, 'preciate it!-Jamie

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------224C878EA5CCDF231D463523-- From cph Mon Sep 20 19:28:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32690 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:28:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15600; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15497; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15466; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:26:51 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-199.gate.net [199.227.131.8]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA146012; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37E6C25F.38A5224F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:25:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: Turgut Kalfaoglu , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Memory prices? References: <000101bf01bc$e14506e0$61c9df82@unil.ch> <3.0.6.32.19990920050504.0080ca30@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: SDRAM has taken most of the price "hit" and the earthquake today will make for more trouble.. and, i can still sell 128meg for under $300... unless, of course, the quake makes more trouble.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 07:23 AM 09/20/1999 +0400, Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: > >I got a quote from a dealer for $195 for 64M of RAM for my TP600. > >This price sounds outragious, and I was wondering if it's the "normal" > >price for it. Is there a more reasonable way of upgrading our machines? > > OUCH, > > I just checked current quotes for Kingston (Formerly the least > expensive brand out there): > > Size 9/10 9/20 > ---------------------------------- > 32megs $41.95 $109.95 > 64megs $71.95 $202.95 > 128megs $183.95 $429.95 > ---------------------------------- > > Sheesh......I said on 9/10 for anyone interested in upgrading > their Thinkpad's memory to buy immediately. I took my own > advice and purchased 10 surplus 128meg upgrades for clients. > > Basically, a 64meg upgrade costs more than 128meg upgrade did > *10* days ago. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Sep 20 19:34:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32715 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:34:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16378; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:33:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16226; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16190; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:33:26 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-18.ismi.net [205.216.96.123]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA13771; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401bf03c9$06e5da60$7b60d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Slip" Cc: Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:34:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF039F.1C96EE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF039F.1C96EE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Bill...but the 755CX DOES use a DIMM module... It can use either the DRAM cards OR the DIMM memory via a special=20 adapter. I have a few of the adapters and some DIMM memory available. Max RAM is 40mb via (2) 16mb DIMM's combined with the 8mb onboard. Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Slip Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb =20 =20 the 755CX does not use an SODIMM..=20 it uses a credit card sdram module..=20 looks like a pcmcia card, and the 755CX version is the same as the = 360's..=20 it is non-parity, thus it is the cheaper of the two..=20 Slip wrote:=20 While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of = mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very = expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used = module. Thanks, 'preciate it!-Jamie --=20 Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...=20 ** Bill Morrow ** :-)=20 WEB page http://thinkpads.com=20 Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html=20 Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. = roadwarriortrading.com=20 e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net=20 use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,=20 any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing = skills or i just don't care.. :-)=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF039F.1C96EE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, Bill...but the 755CX DOES use = a DIMM=20 module...
It can use = either the DRAM=20 cards OR the DIMM memory via a special
adapter.  I have a few of the adapters and some = DIMM=20 memory available.
Max RAM is 40mb via (2) 16mb DIMM's combined with = the 8mb=20 onboard.
 
Denis Hall, Michigan
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
T= o:=20 Slip <jlk@innernet.net>
Cc: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Monday, September 20, 1999 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: = WTB:755CX=20 32mb

the 755CX does not use an SODIMM..
it = uses a=20 credit card sdram module..
looks like a pcmcia card, and the = 755CX=20 version is the same as the 360's..
it is non-parity, thus it is = the=20 cheaper of the two..=20

Slip wrote:=20

While it seems that everyone = is on the=20 topic of ram, a buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM = module. For=20 some reason RAM is very expensive for this model laptop of his = so he's=20 looking for a used module. Thanks, 'preciate it!-Jamie

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...=20

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad = User=20 Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html<= /A>=20
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com =
e-mail:=20 bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net=20

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any = mis-spellings are=20 the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't=20 care..  :-)
 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF039F.1C96EE00-- From cph Tue Sep 21 02:18:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02341 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:18:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04820; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:16:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04695; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04682; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:16:46 -0400 Received: from chuck (pm1i-206.tdl.com [206.180.234.206]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18629 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:16:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199909210616.XAA18629@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:16:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 380ED Misbehaving Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: All clues out there.... My TP 380ED all of a sudden won't run on battery. Unplugging the power cord kills the computer. The power icon always says 80% and the yellow charging light is always yellow. Never turns green. Is it time for a trip to EZServe? Any diagnoses? Thanks for the help. Chuck Blaisdell From cph Tue Sep 21 05:42:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA03111 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:42:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02158; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:40:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17968; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17852; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (206.138.237.234 -> dragon.goamerica.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:05:45 -0400 Received: from tp-560x (pdslppp226.sttl.uswest.net [63.224.33.226]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA27157 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990921010241.00931c60@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:02:41 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: Positive Experience with EZ Serv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I finally sent my 560X to EZ Serv for the left mouse button problem. IBM sent a box filled with foam with a cavity for the computer. Box was sent by Airborne and arrived the next business day after I called. I dropped the box at the Airborne facility at Sea-Tac Airport at about 5:30 p.m.Thursday, September 16. The ThinkPad arrived at my office this morning, Monday, September 20. That indicates same day turnaround, which I think is pretty good. The machine is working fine. I found one screw on the bottom of the unit that was not tightened completely. I fixed that. I'm a satisfied IBM customer. This is the second time I've used EZ Serv, once for my 760E and once for the 560X. Each time I got a competent repair and same day turnaround. The 560X is my seventh notebook computer. I've never had better technical or warranty support than I've received on my ThinkPads. Apple sometimes came close. (I've had two PowerBooks.) Compaq in the old days before they became a mass market supplier had good tech support. I also have a Toshiba Portege notebook. Toshiba makes good hardware, but their tech support is not even close to IBM's. Toshiba does have a strong warranty repair center (independently owned) in the Seattle area, but EZ Serv is even more convenient. Sorry to hear that other people are not having entirely positive experiences with EZ Serv. John Callahan From cph Tue Sep 21 11:22:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04927 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:22:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21328; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:20:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21128; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21112; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:20:47 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA29233 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990921081442.00c87db0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:17:58 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Change in IBM ServicePac availability coming In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990920105631.00fb0100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <37E63876.3808326@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM has issued an announcement letter today to indicate that "IBM ServicePac for Warranty and Maintenance Options Available in Electronic Format Only", with a phase-in from November 1999 and a cut-off of older (paper style) by January 2000. Details available at: http://isource.ibm.com/cgi-bin/goto?it=usa_annred&on=699-041 From cph Tue Sep 21 13:23:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05878 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:23:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00162; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:17:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29875; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29855; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-250.gate.net [199.227.131.59]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA402548 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7BD95.B7F8AC0D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:17:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: the lowdown on memory prices~! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is from one of my vendors.. my sentgence construction is not this good..! :-) (and my typing too)!!! but i wanted you listmembers to know what and why of current pricing trends in memory.. remember, most manufacturers who don't make their own chips have long term contracts which tends to insulate them from spot pricing and daily fluctuations, but not overall trends or disasters.. *********** As many already know there has been a major earthquake in Taiwan. It measured between 7.3 and 7.6 on the Richter scale (depending from whom you get your information). This has caused wide spread damage to many buildings and businesses. So far, the deaths have been reported at over 1,100 people, with over a thousand still trapped. The damage and death toll will not be as catastrophic as the earthquake in Turkey just last month, due to the better construction of buildings and awareness of earthquakes in that region. What does this have to do with us? This area is a large producer of DRAM chips for our industry. In the hours since the earthquake, we have seen prices rising on the DRAM chips. At the current time we do not know how much or how long the pricing will be affected. This will depend on the information that comes from Taiwan on the extent of damage to the DRAM fabrication buildings. The process of DRAM manufacturing is seismically sensitive, meaning that an earthquake of this magnitude can cause serious disruption and failure to DRAM chips that are in the process of being made. A more devastating problem is electricity, or lack of electricity. The process of DRAM manufacturing is dependent on a continuous supply of electricity to the machines. Without this, the work in process will fail and all will have to be scrapped. Since the cycle time to build an individual chip can range from 8 to12 weeks, depending on the manufacturer, the problems we may be facing can last for at least that long. This will not only affect price, but the amount of supply that is available. ************ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 21 13:41:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06031 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:41:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01427; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:31:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01268; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01250; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:30:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-250.gate.net [199.227.131.59]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA136400; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7C09C.6139311A@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:30:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Denis Hall CC: Slip , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb References: <001401bf03c9$06e5da60$7b60d8cd@denhall> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FCB4200BEB4E1AFBFC1A8C7B" List-Unsubscribe: --------------FCB4200BEB4E1AFBFC1A8C7B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, i know about that adapter.. it was made when there were no chips for a 32meg part.. it is fine if the user has the adapter, but for one to buy the adapter and two 16meg parts WAS not cost effective.. now, whichever way is cheaper, is better.. no doubt.. my last price (some weeks ago) on the 32meg DRAM card was about $159 or close to it.. this was new apricorn memory.. i ALWAYS advise people to look for used major mfg. memory for older thinkpads.. its cheaper and most will have lifetime warranty.. if you have some parts to sell, put an ad on my open forum.. i'm sure someone there will be a customer.. Denis Hall wrote: > Sorry, Bill...but the 755CX DOES use a DIMM module...It can use > either the DRAM cards OR the DIMM memory via a specialadapter. I have > a few of the adapters and some DIMM memory available.Max RAM is 40mb > via (2) 16mb DIMM's combined with the 8mb onboard. Denis Hall, > Michigan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Slip > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb > the 755CX does not use an SODIMM.. > it uses a credit card sdram module.. > looks like a pcmcia card, and the 755CX version is the same > as the 360's.. > it is non-parity, thus it is the cheaper of the two.. > > Slip wrote: > > > While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a > > buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some > > reason RAM is very expensive for this model laptop of his > > so he's looking for a used module. Thanks, 'preciate > > it!-Jamie > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor > typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------FCB4200BEB4E1AFBFC1A8C7B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, i know about that adapter..
it was made when there were no chips for a 32meg part..
it is fine if the user has the adapter, but for one to buy the adapter and two 16meg parts WAS not cost effective..
now, whichever way is cheaper, is better..
no doubt..

my last price (some weeks ago) on the 32meg DRAM card was about $159 or close to it..
this was new apricorn memory.. i ALWAYS advise people to look for used major mfg. memory for older thinkpads..
its cheaper and most will have lifetime warranty..

if you have some parts to sell, put an ad on my open forum.. i'm sure someone there will be a customer..
 

Denis Hall wrote:

 Sorry, Bill...but the 755CX DOES use a DIMM module...It can use either the DRAM cards OR the DIMM memory via a specialadapter.  I have a few of the adapters and some DIMM memory available.Max RAM is 40mb via (2) 16mb DIMM's combined with the 8mb onboard. Denis Hall, Michigan
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Morrow <penzance@icanect.net>
To: Slip <jlk@innernet.net>
Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: WTB:755CX 32mb
 the 755CX does not use an SODIMM..
it uses a credit card sdram module..
looks like a pcmcia card, and the 755CX version is the same as the 360's..
it is non-parity, thus it is the cheaper of the two..

Slip wrote:

While it seems that everyone is on the topic of ram, a buddy of mine is in need of a 32Mb SODIMM module. For some reason RAM is very expensive for this model laptop of his so he's looking for a used module. Thanks, 'preciate it!-Jamie
--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------FCB4200BEB4E1AFBFC1A8C7B-- From cph Tue Sep 21 13:42:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06039 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:42:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02508; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:40:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01910; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01628; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:33:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-250.gate.net [199.227.131.59]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA435458; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:33:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37E7C152.FC67B4E1@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:33:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 380ED Misbehaving References: <199909210616.XAA18629@tdl.tdl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck... run the ez-setup tests first.. may be a bum battery.. thats the first thing i would check for... that and dirty contacts or some bit of debris interfering with the 'smarts' in the battery getting through to the charging circuits in the thinkpad.. its either that or a trip to ez serve.. Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > All clues out there.... > > My TP 380ED all of a sudden won't run on battery. Unplugging the power > cord kills the computer. The power icon always says 80% and the > yellow charging light is always yellow. Never turns green. > > Is it time for a trip to EZServe? Any diagnoses? Thanks for the help. > > Chuck Blaisdell -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 21 13:44:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06057 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02911; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02564; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02523; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:41:41 -0400 Received: from sony ([12.78.193.91]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990921174136.GXXW29473@sony> for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:41:36 +0000 Message-ID: <37E7C265.2D4D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:37:41 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 365ED Port Replicator? References: <199909210616.XAA18629@tdl.tdl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a part number on the Port Replicator for the 365ED? Anyone have one for sale?? Thanks! From cph Tue Sep 21 16:12:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07057 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:12:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14699; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:04:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14368; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14347; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (195.222.117.1 -> ns.tirnet.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:04:28 -0400 Received: from sankt-bonifatius.de (dial-in233.tirnet.de [195.222.117.233]) by tirnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21135 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:04:16 +0200 Message-ID: <37E7F338.A93987D9@sankt-bonifatius.de> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:06:01 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPadList Subject: 760XD update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: let's try it in english: I use my 760XD, 48meg RAM (9546 X9E) with win98, staroffice, internettools like net objects fusion, a litte internet-pottering, netscape and so on, not for work or something special. Question: When: more RAM = better (what kind of RAM uses my TP?) Then: how much is reasonable? (104meg ?) What's about CPU-update? Thank you in advance -- dirk neumann dirkneumann@sankt-bonifatius.de 95692 konnersreuth (germany / bavaria) From cph Tue Sep 21 16:31:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07261 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:31:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16723; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16589; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16563; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (194.213.74.10 -> hromeo.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:29:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 19360 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 22:29:12 +0200 Received: from kent.algonet.se (194.213.74.90) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 22:29:12 +0200 Received: from sdu71-76.ppp.algonet.se ([195.163.76.71]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier1.0.4) with ESMTP ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:29:12 GMT Message-ID: <000e01bf046f$ec114920$474ca3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: How do I enable the serial port on a TP600 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:28:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF0480.AB8AF980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF0480.AB8AF980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody ! I'm trying to reach the internet from Linux on my Thinkpad 600. I assume = the built in modem wount work so I'm trying to attach an external modem to the serial port. Nothing much seem to happen when I = try the old echo ath0 > /dev/cua1 .. cua4 routine. I managed to enable the serial prt in Win98 and at the same time = disabling the IR port. Which COM port designation does the serial port have? How do I enable it for ordinary terminal operation = (minicom) ? Thanks Peter Soderholm ps. I received no manual with my system of course. Is it on the net = somewhere? ds. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF0480.AB8AF980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everybody !
 
I'm trying to reach the internet from Linux on my = Thinkpad=20 600. I assume the built in modem wount work so I'm trying to = attach
 
an external modem to the serial port. Nothing much = seem to=20 happen when I try the old echo ath0 > /dev/cua1 .. cua4 = routine.
I managed to enable the serial prt in Win98 and at = the same=20 time disabling the IR port. Which COM port designation does = the
serial port have? How do I enable it for ordinary = terminal=20 operation (minicom) ?
 
Thanks
Peter Soderholm
 
ps. I received no manual with my system of course. = Is it on=20 the net somewhere? ds.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF0480.AB8AF980-- From cph Tue Sep 21 17:56:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07743 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:56:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22864; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:52:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22602; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22570; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:52:19 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:38:34 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-167.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.167]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:38:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf047b$7c6beec0$2481fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Bill Morrow" Subject: Re: the lowdown on memory prices~! Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,penzance@icanect.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-167.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.167] List-Unsubscribe: Bill while I agree with what you said here there is something one of my suppliers said a few weeks ago Before the earthquakes and such ,here's what he said and this was around the first week in August.. dues to the fact that chip makers use tool dies to make the chips with and that the price of memory is so low that they can't afford to retool the machines and at this time several companies are shutting down production or slowing production because the machines are wore out..now if they cut production and raise price's then they will make more profit and they can retool..make's sense in a business stand point as the business I'm in..( A Tire company and the tire building machine wear out every so many years and have to be rebuilt or replaced) Now also if you buy used memory this shouldn't make much difference as the fact these chips were already made before this crisis but as you and I well know this doesn't stop GREED.. also I friend of mine who works for CompUSA in Dallas told me that a few hours after the earthquake in Taiwan his manager told them to raise price's by as much as 25 percent and that he was looking forward to bigger bonus check he was going to get out of this price raise..sounds about right.. this is my 2 cents worth so read it and use it at your own risk.. happy trails Charles McDaniel Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: ThinkPad List Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:05 PM Subject: the lowdown on memory prices~! >This is from one of my vendors.. >my sentgence construction is not this good..! :-) >(and my typing too)!!! >but i wanted you listmembers to know what and why of current pricing >trends in memory.. >remember, most manufacturers who don't make their own chips have long >term contracts which tends to insulate them from spot pricing and daily >fluctuations, but not overall trends or disasters.. > >*********** >As many already know there has been a major earthquake in Taiwan. It >measured between 7.3 and 7.6 on the Richter scale (depending from whom >you get your information). This has caused wide spread damage to many >buildings and businesses. So far, the deaths have been reported at over >1,100 people, with over a thousand still trapped. The damage and death >toll will not be as catastrophic as the earthquake in Turkey just last >month, due to the better construction of buildings and awareness of >earthquakes in that region. > >What does this have to do with us? This area is a large producer of >DRAM chips for our industry. In the hours since the earthquake, we have >seen prices rising on the DRAM chips. At the current time we do not >know how much or how long the pricing will be affected. This will >depend on the information that comes from Taiwan on the extent of damage >to the DRAM fabrication buildings. > >The process of DRAM manufacturing is seismically sensitive, meaning that >an earthquake of this magnitude can cause serious disruption and failure >to DRAM chips that are in the process of being made. A more devastating >problem is electricity, or lack of electricity. The process of DRAM >manufacturing is dependent on a continuous supply of electricity to the >machines. Without this, the work in process will fail and all will have >to be scrapped. Since the cycle time to build an individual chip can >range from 8 to12 weeks, depending on the manufacturer, the problems we >may be facing can last for at least that long. This will not only >affect price, but the amount of supply that is available. >************ > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. >roadwarriortrading.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, >any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills >or i just don't care.. :-) > > > From cph Tue Sep 21 18:22:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07905 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:22:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24491; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:19:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24335; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24314; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.171 -> wya-lfd107.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:19:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 27283 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 1999 22:19:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990921221917.27282.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.148] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 Carrying Cases Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my TP600 and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best choice. Right now the only two I am really considering is: 1. Port Slimeline 600 Case (99.99US) 2. Targus (I forgot the name) (59.95US) I will be carrying my system from work to home. Very little, but some travel. I need to carry the internal Zip and drives as additional peripherals along with a few disks and a couple of not too fat files. Any personal experiences would be appreciated. Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Sep 21 20:47:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08817 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:47:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02038; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01854; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01840; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:45:59 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg-20425426-139.ricochet.net [204.254.26.139]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23439 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:45:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007701bf0493$d08d7ba0$8b1afecc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: Subject: Linux and Track point Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:45:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I just installed Linux on my ThinkPad. On the mouseconfig I chose PS/2 three button. Now the mouse no matter how fast I make it just won't move fast enough. BTW, I am using Linux Mandrake 6.0 KDE. Anyone out there have any suggestions? Thanks, Mike From cph Tue Sep 21 21:15:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08942 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:15:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03667; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03520; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03505; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:14:18 -0400 Received: from sochatc.IBMUS2.IBM.COM (user-33qt89r.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.59]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24156; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bf0497$bedd2500$3ba1aec7@IBMUS2.IBM.COM> From: "Chuck S." To: "Allan Ballard" , , "William Armstrong" References: <199909200154.UAA05131@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: TP and Logitech mice Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:13:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Allan, I also loaded the drivers for the Logitech TrackMan Marble + and it worked just like it did on my desktop. But eventually I restored the TrackPoint driver so I can use the scroll button on the TP when it wasn't convenient to use the TrackMan. You shouldn't have any problems as long as you always use the TrackMan. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Ballard To: ; William Armstrong Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 8:55 PM Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice > Bill, > > The drivers go to the heart of the question. Without > them, I don't know if the Logitech would be too > much help. > > I had wanted to load them anyway, just to get the > "smart" feature, so the cursor would go to the > Ok of the next opened window. > > But, the feature that allows for fine increments of > mouse movement for larger movements of the > mouse would be most helpful in constructing > a drawing. > > I will hold off on loading a Logitech driver to > give anyone with experience in this area time > to comment. > > Thanks again. > > Allan Ballard > > Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:34 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: > > >Allan, > > > >One other word. Don't expect to get all of the neat functions one can get > >from the three or four buttins of a LOGITECH mouse while connected to a > >ThinkPad. You will not be using the LOGITECH drivers for the mouse, rather > >the Trackpoint drivers, unless someone else here can show us how to use both > >simultaneously. > > > >-Bill > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] > >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:19 PM > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; William Armstrong > >Subject: RE: TP and Logitech mice > > > > > >Bill, > > > >Thanks.! > > > >I'll pick one up pronto. > > > >Allan > > > > Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:42:32 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: > > > >>Allan, > >> > >>I've been using LOGITECH trackballs with my TP770 for a couple of years > >now, > >>also to do architectural work. There may be other more sophisticated ways > >>of doing it, but all I do is connect the mouse to the mouse port and make > >>sure in the ThinkPad Configuration that the Trackpoint is not disabled. > >>That way I can use either. > >> > >>-Bill > >>Go Yankees AND Mets! > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] > >>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:49 PM > >>To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >>Subject: TP and Logitech mice > >> > >> > >>Is there any problem with loading a Logitech smart > >>mouse on a Thinkpad? > >> > >>Will the Logitech driver somehow confuse the track point > >>device? > >> > >>I hope to do some architectural drawings on my TP760CD, > >>and it sure would be easier with a good Logitech mouse, as > >>they can be adjusted in many ways suitable to fine movements. > >> > >>Allan Ballard > >> GO BRAVES > >> > > > > > > > From cph Tue Sep 21 23:10:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09447 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:10:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10202; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09918; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rochpop1.roch.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09897; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rochpop1.roch.uswest.net (207.109.208.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:07:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 23476 invoked by alias); 22 Sep 1999 03:01:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU@fixme Received: (qmail 23469 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1999 03:01:07 -0000 Received: from dialupc131.roch.uswest.net (HELO johnendicott) (209.180.51.131) by 207.109.208.1 with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 03:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000901bf04a6$4e9d5800$8333b4d1@johnendicott> From: "John Endicott" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: IntelliMouse and TP600 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:58:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Can the scrolling functions of the Microsoft intelli-mouse be enabled on a TP600 w/98? I have a disk w/ a setup.exe and setp32.exe on it. Does anyone know which one to use. From cph Tue Sep 21 23:55:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09659 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06123; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05994; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05980; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id WAA19172 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-180-238.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.180.238]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id WAA19110; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E837D9.9EF20EE5@csc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:58:49 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Neumann CC: ThinkPadList Subject: Re: 760XD update References: <37E7F338.A93987D9@sankt-bonifatius.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, it all depends on how many applications you have open at one time. If it's only one or two, then something like 64MB will be plenty. If you usually have 3-5 or more apps going at once, then I would suggest 96MB. Windows 98 will function quite decently with that setup, since it doesn't sound like any of your apps are real memory hogs (like image editing software...). Even though I run a bunch of apps at once, I find that my 128MB is more than enough memory because I end up hitting Win98's system resources limit first. Now if you switch to NT, that would be a different story. NT loves everything you can throw at it. HTH, Rob Dirk Neumann wrote: > > let's try it in english: > > I use my 760XD, 48meg RAM (9546 X9E) with win98, staroffice, > internettools like net objects fusion, a litte internet-pottering, > netscape and so on, not for work or something special. > Question: > When: more RAM = better (what kind of RAM uses my TP?) > Then: how much is reasonable? (104meg ?) > > What's about CPU-update? > > Thank you in advance > > -- > dirk neumann > dirkneumann@sankt-bonifatius.de > 95692 konnersreuth > (germany / bavaria) From cph Wed Sep 22 00:49:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09826 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:49:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15330; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:47:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15190; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15173; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:47:21 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (cube.az.com [216.145.8.237]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21408 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199909220447.VAA21408@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 99 21:54:44 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 365 series question List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:02:31 -0400, Eric D. Gottlieb wrote: >I have been running Win 98 (first edition) on my 365XD for the past 8 months >or so with no problems whatsoever. I have 40MB of RAM and a 4GB drive, and >it runs a bit slow if there are a lot of things going on, but other than >that it works well. Office 2000 works pretty well, a bit sluggish at times. >The only problem that I ever found was that Netscape 4.6 ran very poorly, so >I use IE5 which seems to work ok. I am running the latest BIOS and TP >Utilities. Hope this helps... let me know if you have any other specific >questions and I'll answer them if I can. Okay, I only ask because I didn't read in the Thinkpad manual that for Windows, I had to disable the S3 drivers in the auto detect otherwise it would just start turning the entire LCD white until it happened twice and then I RTM. Thanks Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Wed Sep 22 02:29:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10215 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:29:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18740; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:27:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18609; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18585; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909220626.CAA18585@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 02:26:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 13029 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1999 06:26:49 -0000 Received: from pppa35-resalemarysville1-4r1111.saturn.bbn.com (HELO chuck) (4.16.222.190) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 06:26:49 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:26:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 380ED Misbehaving Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37E7C152.FC67B4E1@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 21 Sep 99, at 13:33, Bill Morrow wrote: > > run the ez-setup tests first.. > may be a bum battery.. > thats the first thing i would check for... > that and dirty contacts or some bit of debris interfering with the 'smarts' > in the battery getting through to the charging circuits in the thinkpad.. Thanks. All the ez-setup tests check out ok. (Of course there's no "battery" or "charging circuit" test, but the "system board" test checks fine). > > its either that or a trip to ez serve.. > Looks likes that's in my future. Have always had good experience w/EZServe. We'll see.... Thanks, Bill. Chuck Charles Blaisdell, Regional Minister-President Christian Church of Northern California-Nevada ICQ # 34236351 Regional Home Page http://www.sierrawebworks.com/ccncn Regional Office Fax 925-556-9904 Personal Fax 925-215-2145 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 22 10:21:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12016 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:21:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28902; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:17:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28741; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28707; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:17:27 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-443.gate.net [199.227.173.189]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA92448; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:18:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37E8E4F0.149F052@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:17:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rat Boy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases References: <19990921221917.27282.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: personally, i always like the most disreputable, beat up looking case with vague references to "biohazard" and "ebola virus" that has the best padding... also a shoulder strap that is fixed permanently to sturdy rings.. consider a hard case that will protect the display from hard corners... a folio case is good for avoiding scratches.. Rat Boy wrote: > Hi, > > Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my TP600 > and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best > choice. > > Right now the only two I am really considering is: > > 1. Port Slimeline 600 Case (99.99US) > 2. Targus (I forgot the name) (59.95US) > > I will be carrying my system from work to home. Very little, but some > travel. I need to carry the internal Zip and drives as additional > peripherals along with a few disks and a couple of not too fat files. Any > personal experiences would be appreciated. > > Jimmy > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Sep 22 10:28:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12100 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:28:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29780; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29644; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29603; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:00 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00718; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37E8E4F0.149F052@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases Cc: Rat Boy List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA12101 > Rat Boy wrote: > >> >> Right now the only two I am really considering is: >> >> 1. Port Slimeline 600 Case (99.99US) >> 2. Targus (I forgot the name) (59.95US) >> >> I will be carrying my system from work to home. Very little, but some >> travel. I need to carry the internal Zip and drives as additional >> peripherals along with a few disks and a couple of not too fat files. Any >> personal experiences would be appreciated. I've used several, and find the Port slimline case the best of the bunch. It has adequate room for accessories and some files without having too much bulk. NB you can get it for less than 99.99 by shopping around [e.g., CDW or Micro Warehouse]. HTH S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 22-Sep-99 Time: 07:26:57 ---------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 22 10:40:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12168 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:40:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01034; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00743; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00705; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-443.gate.net [199.227.173.189]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA174492; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37E8E977.952F47B7@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux and Track point References: <007701bf0493$d08d7ba0$8b1afecc@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i chose two button.. the third button on some TP's is not like the logitech three button mouse... i suggest that you consider either reloading linux or change it to a 2 button mouse.. i'm not sure if it CAN be changed without reloading.. perhaps someone more familiar with this can help.. mike wrote: > Hello All, > > I just installed Linux on my ThinkPad. On the mouseconfig I chose PS/2 three > button. Now the mouse no matter how fast I make it just won't move fast > enough. BTW, I am using Linux Mandrake 6.0 KDE. Anyone out there have any > suggestions? Thanks, Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Sep 22 10:46:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12222 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:46:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01964; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01656; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01626; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:31 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10900; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37E8EB02.ED31D47C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:14 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: mike , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux and Track point References: <007701bf0493$d08d7ba0$8b1afecc@oemcomputer> <37E8E977.952F47B7@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I doubt the choice of 3-button vs. 2-button configuration makes any mouse speed difference in X. I use 3-button, and it does seem a little slow compared with Windows, but perhaps there is some X setting that controls the speed. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 22 11:05:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12336 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:05:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03786; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:02:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03635; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03620; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (209.192.212.66 -> cutaway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:02:23 -0400 Received: from nin (nin.cutaway.com [209.192.212.77]) by www.cutaway.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29446; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:58:13 -0400 From: "Michael T Rowan" To: , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "mike" , Subject: RE: Linux and Track point Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37E8EB02.ED31D47C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> List-Unsubscribe: The mouse settings are in the XF86Config file, usually in /etc/X11/ -- there is a man page on the format (type "man XF86Config"). The Resolution field might let you adjust the sensitivity, but you will have to play with it to be sure. You can definately change the mouse type, number of buttons, and whether the server emulates the third button... -----Original Message----- From: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 10:43 AM To: Bill Morrow Cc: mike; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux and Track point I doubt the choice of 3-button vs. 2-button configuration makes any mouse speed difference in X. I use 3-button, and it does seem a little slow compared with Windows, but perhaps there is some X setting that controls the speed. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 22 11:44:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12561 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07385; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07229; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07161; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:37:33 -0400 Received: from oma.com (1-465.charter-stl.com [24.217.5.211]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04125 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37E8F794.1D2EA028@oma.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:52 -0500 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: (770x) Thanks for the advice on changing over to NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It turned out to be easy :) I only had to reinstall it three times before I finally got it right - the first time the install program for a video driver failed and left the system unbootable and unfixable, and the second time I got greedy and used BootMagic and ended up corrupting things. Now that I have NT on it, I went ahead and loaded the extra software off the original customization cdrom. Is there anything else I need? And is there a way to get an NT recovery disk? And finally, I have a Linksys 10/100 CardBus network adapter, and CardWizard doesn't support it. Does anyone have any experience with Softex, the PCMCIA software recommended by Linksys? Thanks for all the help everyone! bab -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine From cph Wed Sep 22 11:46:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12573 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:46:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04864; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:13:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04729; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04695; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:13:10 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11317; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37E8F1F8.F7058EB9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:12:56 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael T Rowan CC: Bill Morrow , mike , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux and Track point References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just played with the Resolution setting on my TP600 with Red Hat 6.0 (plus updates as of yesterday). Resolution seems to have no effect on mouse speed on this setup. I tried a range from 10 to 1000. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 22 12:21:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12873 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:21:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10975; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:20:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10837; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10824; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:19:57 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p38.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.53]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17960 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909221618.JAA17960@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:11:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: EasyServe experiance List-Unsubscribe: I finally got my ThinkPad back (760ED). I was quite surprised, this is by far the BEST experiance I've had with EasyServe. I had no problems (with EasyServe for that matter), and I got my machine back ok, so apparently they must've improved their service. On a side note, after I got it back, my 3.2GB HD died on me (I kept it here, did not send it out also). So I ended up saying goodbye to OS/2 on this machine (very likely) forever, and switched once again to Windows NT 4 (unfortunately on a 1.4GB HD). From cph Wed Sep 22 12:35:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12993 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:35:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11708; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:26:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11547; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11516; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:25:59 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p38.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.53]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18129; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909221624.JAA18129@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Slip" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:17:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4820800=_=_=_" Subject: iRe: Misc. questions on 760ED List-Unsubscribe: --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4820800=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Original Message Text--- From: Slip Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:17:57 -0400 Hi there, I purchassed a 760ED and being that it's a company who's selling it to me, I'm unsure of what the will include(they are very vague in the description). I need to know where I can pick up the keyboard splitter to use an external KB & mouse at the same time. Is it simple a PS/2 splitter or is it a proprietary pin-out? Also, what's special about the video in/out cable? Again, is this proprietary? I believe the video out cable is, but I've seen several auctions for the key/mou. cable on eBay recently. I think you'll like the 760ED, after mine is now fixed from eBay, I love mine I'm also wondering about the modem and sound card deal. From what I read at IBM's site, I get the hint that you can't use the modem and sound card at the same time because they'r both integrated. One list member mentioned having to bump the modem down to 28.8 vs 33.6 if you want to use sound. Not recommended that you use both regardless of the speed, unless you go below 28.8. Then again, all my sound is usually MP3's (and usually in the car), so that would also make a difference. I haven't got the NT sounds drivers installaed (yet), so I don't remember how NT is compared to OS/2 on sound... Is the CD/floppy hot-swappable? I read the online reference manual for the 760 and it gives instructions for replacing the battery when low with a fresh one. Does this mean that you can opperate off the internal backup battery long enough to swap in a fresh one, or is this assuming you'v got AC power? I think this is assuming you have AC power. I've been unsuccesful doing this (depending on the battery replaced). What suggestions can you make for the OS to run? Win95 would run great IMHO, but would 98 be ok on a 133Mhz with 32mb ram? One other thing, is this 133Mhz MMX? I'v seen other MMX notebooks at 133mhz. MMX, no. Win95 runs good, 98 isn't too bad. Personally, I'd go with OS/2 4, Win95, or Win NT 4.0 Win98 is okay, but for most people, 95 should be sufficient. Windows 2000 ran well before, but I couldn't get sound to work, so if you're going to go with NT, I'd recommened 4.0 Finally, any undoccumented tips or pointers you can suggest? Depends on what you're looking for. Regards, Paul --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4820800=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Original Message Text---
From: Slip
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:17:57 -0400

Hi there,
I purchassed a 760ED and being that it's a company who's selling it to me, I'm unsure of what the will include(they are very vague in the description). I need to know where I can pick up the keyboard splitter to use an external KB & mouse at the same time. Is it simple a PS/2 splitter or is it a proprietary pin-out? Also, what's special about the video in/out cable? Again, is this proprietary?


I believe the video out cable is, but I've seen several auctions for the key/mou. cable on eBay recently.
I think you'll like the 760ED, after mine is now fixed from eBay, I love mine


I'm also wondering about the modem and sound card deal. From what I read at IBM's site, I get the hint that you can't use the modem and sound card at the same time because they'r both integrated. One list member mentioned having to bump the modem down to 28.8 vs 33.6 if you want to use sound.

Not recommended that you use both regardless of the speed, unless you go below 28.8.

Then again, all my sound is usually MP3's (and usually in the car), so that would also make a difference.
I haven't got the NT sounds drivers installaed (yet), so I don't remember how NT is compared
to OS/2 on sound...

Is the CD/floppy hot-swappable? I read the online reference manual for the 760 and it gives instructions for replacing the battery when low with a fresh one. Does this mean that you can opperate off the internal backup battery long enough to swap in a fresh one, or is this assuming you'v got AC power?

I think this is assuming you have AC power. I've been unsuccesful doing this (depending on the battery
replaced).

What suggestions can you make for the OS to run? Win95 would run great IMHO, but would 98 be ok on a 133Mhz with 32mb ram? One other thing, is this 133Mhz MMX? I'v seen other MMX notebooks at 133mhz.

MMX, no. Win95 runs good, 98 isn't too bad. Personally, I'd go with OS/2 4, Win95, or Win NT 4.0
Win98 is okay, but for most people, 95 should be sufficient. Windows 2000 ran well before, but I couldn't
get sound to work, so if you're going to go with NT, I'd recommened 4.0

Finally, any undoccumented tips or pointers you can suggest?

Depends on what you're looking for.

Regards,

Paul
--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4820800=_=_=_-- From cph Wed Sep 22 12:47:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13061 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:47:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13229; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13032; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12984; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.21 -> asimov.dns-host.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:31 -0400 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA23246 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bf0519$f479af80$73443589@ohsu.edu> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: TP carrying cases Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:44:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 1999 Sep 22 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: AC Brown Subj: TP carrying cases I like the Brenthaven cases, described at www.brenthaven.com. I use the Brenthaven Glove for my TP 570 because I wanted a lightweight case; I paid $99 at a luggage store. The Glove uses the internal sling design and protected the TP 570 perfectly in a 30 inch drop to a hard floor when the strap slipped from my shoulder. I believe the Glove is large enough for a TP 600 as it holds the TP 570 with the UltraBase attached. The larger Brenthaven cases use the case within a case design, which undoubtedly provides better protection, and they have more space for accessories and papers but at the cost of greater weight. Mobile Computing rated the Brenthaven Topload the best for impact protection, but it's expensive (street price $200+). AC Brown From cph Wed Sep 22 13:48:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13549 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17453; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17247; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11986; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:30:16 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p38.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.53]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18229; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909221627.JAA18229@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Callahan" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Positive Experience with EZ Serv List-Unsubscribe: >I dropped the box at the Airborne facility at Sea-Tac Airport at >about >5:30 p.m.Thursday, September 16. > >The ThinkPad arrived at my office this morning, Monday, September 20. > >That indicates same day turnaround, which I think is pretty good. I sent my machine out the same day, and got mine back also the same day. > >The machine is working fine. > >I'm a satisfied IBM customer. Ditto. I think IBM has restored my faith in their support once again. >The 560X is my seventh notebook computer. I've never had better >technical or warranty support than I've received on my ThinkPads. > Ditto again. This is my 4th ThinkPad, about the 4th or 5th notebook. Never had better support, especially EasyServe before. I could say their support could use help in the OS arena (as in dealing better with Win98 or NT4, instead of what they designate the preloaded OS. From cph Wed Sep 22 13:57:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13667 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:57:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18963; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18844; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18827; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.prserv.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:54:58 -0400 Received: from 204.146.249.65 (slip166-72-200-79.la.us.ibm.net [166.72.200.79]) by out5.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id RAA221462 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:54:51 GMT Received: (qmail 939 invoked by uid 1000); 22 Sep 1999 17:52:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:52:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Edwin Johnson X-Sender: elj@ejohnson.elj.org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux and Track point In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Lee, In Linux the 'xset m x x' will control mouse settings in my Slackware. Man page says the first number after m is acceleration and next is threshold. It definitly works with my trackball in my Twinhead, so presume it would work in the Thinkpad. ...Edwin >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:43:14 -0400 >From: I Lee Hetherington >To: Bill Morrow >Subject: Re: Linux and Track point >I doubt the choice of 3-button vs. 2-button configuration makes any >mouse speed difference in X. I use 3-button, and it does seem a little >slow compared with Windows, but perhaps there is some X setting that >controls the speed. > >--Lee Hetherington ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj@prysm.net ~ ~ http://www.prysm.net/~elj ~ ~ ~ ~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph Wed Sep 22 15:03:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14184 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:03:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23256; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:54:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23078; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23065; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com (199.207.255.54 -> p0016c54.us.kpmg.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:54:26 -0400 Received: from p0016c22.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 18:54:26 UT Received: from usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com by kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.2/Pro-8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27170 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com (unverified) by usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:44:02 -0400 Received: by usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:44:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8389C74A65EFD111B03800805FA7658F016B305A@USDALEXC01> From: "Egbert, Scott K" To: "'Peter Soderholm'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: How do I enable the serial port on a TP600 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:36:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Here are a couple of links about Linux on ThinkPads or laptops. I hope they help. http://www.levien.com/tp600.html http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ - > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Soderholm [SMTP:helsod@algonet.se] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:29 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: How do I enable the serial port on a TP600 > > Hi everybody ! > > I'm trying to reach the internet from Linux on my Thinkpad 600. I assume > the built in modem wount work so I'm trying to attach > > an external modem to the serial port. Nothing much seem to happen when I > try the old echo ath0 > /dev/cua1 .. cua4 routine. > I managed to enable the serial prt in Win98 and at the same time disabling > the IR port. Which COM port designation does the > serial port have? How do I enable it for ordinary terminal operation > (minicom) ? > > Thanks > Peter Soderholm > > ps. I received no manual with my system of course. 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When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. ***************************************************************************** From cph Wed Sep 22 18:25:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15651 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06345; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06117; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06093; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:47 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20605; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA12502; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Rat Boy" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases References: <19990921221917.27282.qmail@hotmail.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:22:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Rat Boy"'s message of "Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:17 PDT" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Rat Boy" writes: > Hi, > > Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my TP600 > and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best > choice. > > Right now the only two I am really considering is: This wasn't one of your choices, but if you are looking for backpack cases as well, I can't recommend highly enough the cases from SpireUSA (www.spireusa.com). The one I got was pretty pricey (around $130, I believe), but well worth it. It is heads and shoulders (no pun intended) above the EMS laptop pack I used to use. More info available upon request. Peace, dNb From cph Wed Sep 22 18:32:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15685 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:32:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07038; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06801; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06787; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:18 -0400 Received: from andres (pm529-45.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.197]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA74276 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990922183033.00a9c620@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: References: <"Rat Boy"'s message of "Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:17 PDT"> <19990921221917.27282.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'll bite... I have a Targus backpack unit, and have been happy with it overall, but feel that it lacks a bit in terms of cushoning. Can you explain the things that makes it better than the EMS unit you've used? Thanks, STeve Andre' At 06:22 PM 9/22/1999 -0400, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >"Rat Boy" writes: > >> Hi, >> >> Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my TP600 >> and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best >> choice. >> >> Right now the only two I am really considering is: > >This wasn't one of your choices, but if you are looking for backpack >cases as well, I can't recommend highly enough the cases from SpireUSA >(www.spireusa.com). The one I got was pretty pricey (around $130, I >believe), but well worth it. It is heads and shoulders (no pun >intended) above the EMS laptop pack I used to use. More info available >upon request. > > Peace, > dNb From cph Wed Sep 22 21:31:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16640 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15428; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15277; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15260; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:34 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27480; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA13094; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases References: <"Rat Boy"'s message of "Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:19:17 PDT"> <19990921221917.27282.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.6.32.19990922183033.00a9c620@pilot.msu.edu> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 22 Sep 1999 21:29:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: "STeve Andre'"'s message of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:30:33 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "STeve Andre'" writes: > I'll bite... I have a Targus backpack unit, and have been happy with it > overall, but feel that it lacks a bit in terms of cushoning. Can you > explain the things that makes it better than the EMS unit you've used? Sure. Off the top of my head: 1) much more comfortable, e.g: - The straps are thicker and cut in a way which fit better on my back. The rest of the backpack is also cut well - the back part of the backback and the inside of the straps are made with a material which allegedly wicks away moisture. - has two sets of cross straps (waist and chest) 2) better construction, e.g.: - the zipper has a flap of material over it which I believe helps it to be a bit more water resistant - the EMS backpack had this undesirable feature whereby the back of the backpack was attached to the straps. This meant that if you put it on and the zipper came loose, or was not fully zipped, the backpack would flip open off your back and send your laptop floorward. The spireusa has no such feature. - feels sturdier 3) looks spiffier (not really important) 4) doesn't say "laptop pack" on the back (sheesh). On the minus side, it is a hair smaller than the EMS pack (but still fits my 570 and my mbira just fine). I think the laptop suspension system is ok (Port wins in that regard, no contest), but nothing to write home about. I'm not certain how it compares to the Targus re: cushioning. Just to be clear: I have no affiliation with this company except as a really happy owner of one of their products. I took a chance (they only sell stuff electronically) after hearing other good things about the pack on a newsgroup and have been very satisfied with my purchase. Peace, dNb From cph Thu Sep 23 00:23:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17286 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:23:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23508; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:21:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23270; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23058; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (128.11.68.203 -> web2003.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: <19990923042029.22261.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.185.14.146] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:20:29 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mitchell Yee Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" , "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I'll second David's remarks. I used to be a happy owner of a Port bag until I was turned onto the Spires pack by a friend. What a difference. My Spires pack houses my TP600 very nicely. In fact, the Spires pack has to stay in protective custody to protect it >from being "borrowed" by envious officemates. Mitchell --- "David N. Blank-Edelman" wrote: > "STeve Andre'" writes: > > > I'll bite... I have a Targus backpack unit, and > have been happy with it > > overall, but feel that it lacks a bit in terms of > cushoning. Can you > > explain the things that makes it better than the > EMS unit you've used? > > Sure. Off the top of my head: > > 1) much more comfortable, e.g: > - The straps are thicker and cut in a way which > fit better on my > back. The rest of the backpack is also cut well > - the back part of the backback and the inside of > the straps are > made with a material which allegedly wicks away > moisture. > - has two sets of cross straps (waist and chest) > > 2) better construction, e.g.: > - the zipper has a flap of material over it which > I believe helps it > to be a bit more water resistant > - the EMS backpack had this undesirable feature > whereby the back of > the backpack was attached to the straps. This > meant that if you > put it on and the zipper came loose, or was not > fully zipped, the > backpack would flip open off your back and send > your laptop > floorward. The spireusa has no such feature. > - feels sturdier > > 3) looks spiffier (not really important) > > 4) doesn't say "laptop pack" on the back (sheesh). > > On the minus side, it is a hair smaller than the EMS > pack (but still > fits my 570 and my mbira just fine). I think the > laptop suspension > system is ok (Port wins in that regard, no contest), > but nothing to > write home about. I'm not certain how it compares to > the Targus re: > cushioning. > > Just to be clear: I have no affiliation with this > company except as a > really happy owner of one of their products. I took > a chance (they > only sell stuff electronically) after hearing other > good things about > the pack on a newsgroup and have been very satisfied > with my purchase. > > Peace, > dNb > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Thu Sep 23 11:49:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19804 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10663; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10414; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10344; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:37:19 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19489 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: New TP600 Setup Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bf05d9$69af4700$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: My bosses new TP600E 400Mhz 9.5Gb 128Mb just arrived! He liked my TP600 233 better than his Micron or previous Toshiba, so I ordered him a TP and recycled the other laptops. Questions: Is their an easy way right now to create a single 9.5Gb C: drive. I'm tired of looking for stuff on 2 drives. The ReadMeFirst says that certain network PC cards will give an error if running with NortonAV, but they fail to clue me in on which ones. Any recommendations or brands to avoid? SP4 is pre-installed. No mention is made of SP5. Should I upgrade now before installing any software? According to the docs, SP4 must be applied before rebooting any time a change is made. This is accompanied by an icon on the main screen pointing to update.exe. Should I dump the SP4 folder, copy SP5 on the HD, and just point the icon to the new folder (this makes sense to me)? They have a little plugged hole on the front left bezel that says it's for video out. I'd have ordered video out if I saw it offered on a 600E. Did I miss something? I'll have lots of questions, but that's it for now. Thanks From cph Thu Sep 23 13:47:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20295 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:47:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23251; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:45:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23081; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22841; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:42:07 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28900; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03338; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:41:57 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:40:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'mlemon@hickseq.com'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: New TP600 Setup Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:40:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I heard that SP5 has problems with the 128 bit RAS talking to another 128 bit RAS. At my company we are still on SP4. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lemon [mailto:mlemon@hickseq.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:37 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New TP600 Setup SP4 is pre-installed. No mention is made of SP5. Should I upgrade now before installing any software? According to the docs, SP4 must be applied before rebooting any time a change is made. This is accompanied by an icon on the main screen pointing to update.exe. Should I dump the SP4 folder, copy SP5 on the HD, and just point the icon to the new folder (this makes sense to me)? From cph Thu Sep 23 18:11:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22387 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:11:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10549; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:09:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10312; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10296; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:09:52 -0400 Received: from andres (pm560-27.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.179]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA54660 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990923181010.00a984a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:10:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: McAfee AntiVirus problems with IBM software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: After installing the newest McAfee anti-virus defintion file on my TP 1451 yesterday, in scanning the system I found that the file C:\IBMTOOLS\REGISTRY\SYSINFO.EXE apparently had the HLL.ow.13418 virus. Finding this rather odd for a 10K .exe file that has never shown a problem before, I did some digging around and came to the conclusion that the newly released virus definition file from McAfee was bad. I sent them mail about this yesterday and got a response back today. They have indeed found that they give a false positive to the hll.ow.13418 virus. So: if you use McAfee on a ThinkPad, beware of a false positive on the file SYSINFO.EXE, on some Windows 98 systems. I have no idea what exact systems are affected, if Win98 SE has any affect, or what--I only know that the AVERT people said I had found a problem in this particular case. They also said that the DAT-4045 files would be coming out soon to fix this. Just a heads up so you don't run to your recovery disk and moan when *that* file apprears corrupted, too! --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu From cph Fri Sep 24 13:38:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26613 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:38:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29001; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:33:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28584; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28563; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (199.2.210.241 -> agora.rdrop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:33:33 -0400 Received: from fenktp (ppp-d8.rdrop.com [199.2.212.41]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11965 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenk@agora.rdrop.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> X-Sender: fenk@agora.rdrop.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:35:09 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: John Fenk Subject: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a thinkpad 770Z with Wiindows 98. Smetimes when I try to dial the modem I get an error message saying error 630 and something like "the modem is not responding. check the phone line or turn the modem off and on again." The only way I have been able to get it working again is by rebooting. Then it may work for a week or it may fail the second time I try to use the modem. Is anyone else seeing this? I called IBM service and they had me reinstall the modem driver, but the problem is back. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Fri Sep 24 14:12:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26962 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:12:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01504; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:08:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01249; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01223; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:08:46 -0400 Received: from bp ([12.77.217.149]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990924180843.TUOB7282@bp>; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:08:43 +0000 Message-ID: <37EBBEC3.28AA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:11:15 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fenk CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem References: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Fenk wrote: > > I have a thinkpad 770Z with Wiindows 98. Smetimes when I try to dial the > modem I get an error message saying error 630 and something like "the . Is anyone else seeing this? I called IBM service > and they had me reinstall the modem driver, but the problem is back. > Download the latest modem drivers from IBM and install. If that does not do the trick- Then contact EZ Serve. Birger From cph Fri Sep 24 15:52:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27838 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:52:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09611; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09352; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raven.a001.sprintmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09338; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raven.a001.sprintmail.com (209.178.63.9 -> raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:49:20 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sdn-ar-001orsaleP016.dialsprint.net [158.252.230.24]) by raven.a001.sprintmail.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00698 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001701bf06c6$499ed320$0201a8c0@fish.net> From: "Bob Curtis" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:51:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I see this all the time (every time) with my TP600 and internal modem. I reinstalled, rebooted, installed newest drivers, searched deja news, searched as many FAQs as I could find, tore my hair out......but still could not determine why or how to fix. My solution. I installed a PCMCIA modem that works very well, all the time. I'll be watching this list to see if anyone has a fix that works. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fenk To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:35 AM Subject: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem > I have a thinkpad 770Z with Wiindows 98. Smetimes when I try to dial the > modem I get an error message saying error 630 and something like "the modem > is not responding. check the phone line or turn the modem off and on > again." The only way I have been able to get it working again is by > rebooting. Then it may work for a week or it may fail the second time I > try to use the modem. Is anyone else seeing this? I called IBM service > and they had me reinstall the modem driver, but the problem is back. > > -- > John Fenk > fenk@agora.rdrop.com > (503) 641-8036 From cph Fri Sep 24 16:15:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27993 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:15:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11439; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:07:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11028; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10932; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:09 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-06.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.208]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA75492 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:05:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990924160616.00aa4610@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:06:16 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-Reply-To: <001701bf06c6$499ed320$0201a8c0@fish.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My gut feeling on this one is that the COM port gets stuck into a strange state, and needs a kick in the head to fix it. Too many years ago I helped on a project where most of the hardware of an IBM PC was emulated in software--this sounds to me like one of the state problems I encountered back then. My suggestion is to get "Telix" version 3.51 or some such *DOS* version, and use it with the Alt-P command to get to the right port, and try a manual "ATI see this all the time (every time) with my TP600 and internal modem. I >reinstalled, rebooted, installed newest drivers, searched deja news, >searched as many FAQs as I could find, tore my hair out......but still could >not determine why or how to fix. > >My solution. I installed a PCMCIA modem that works very well, all the time. > >I'll be watching this list to see if anyone has a fix that works. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Fenk >To: >Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:35 AM >Subject: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem > > >> I have a thinkpad 770Z with Wiindows 98. Smetimes when I try to dial the >> modem I get an error message saying error 630 and something like "the >modem >> is not responding. check the phone line or turn the modem off and on >> again." The only way I have been able to get it working again is by >> rebooting. Then it may work for a week or it may fail the second time I >> try to use the modem. Is anyone else seeing this? I called IBM service >> and they had me reinstall the modem driver, but the problem is back. >> >> -- >> John Fenk >> fenk@agora.rdrop.com >> (503) 641-8036 > > > From cph Fri Sep 24 16:46:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA28190 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:46:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13694; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13551; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13533; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:44:24 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA04372 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:44:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:44:18 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15655.990924@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-reply-To: <001701bf06c6$499ed320$0201a8c0@fish.net> References: <001701bf06c6$499ed320$0201a8c0@fish.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 24, 1999, 2:51:50 PM, Bob wrote: BC> My solution. I installed a PCMCIA modem that works BC> very well, all the time. Same solution I came up with that fixed all my TP750C and TP770ED modem difficulties. I recommend it! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN+vilG8pw+2/9pUJEQIS/ACgwTr1NdZ5x1Aea1RflN8LXLcf9hAAn0de lNJtXqHHxYrSccNfv4U4aIkk =p1Ys -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Sep 24 17:00:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28301 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:00:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14600; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14465; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14434; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4 -> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:58:19 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02144 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ken-wi6-57.ix.netcom.com(205.184.155.57) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001372; Fri Sep 24 15:53:40 1999 Message-ID: <000101bf06ce$aa922f80$399bb8cd@ix.netcom.com> From: "rea" To: Subject: Fw: Command Com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:39:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF0532.2945B0C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF0532.2945B0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rea=20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:14 PM Subject: Command Com All, Any ideas on why command.com started coming up on my startup IBM 760e. I = just upgraded to win98se. It's not in the startup group. thx Bob ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF0532.2945B0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: rea =
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:14 PM
Subject: Command Com

All,
Any ideas on why command.com started coming up on my startup IBM = 760e. I=20 just upgraded to win98se. It's not in the startup group.
thx Bob
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF0532.2945B0C0-- From cph Fri Sep 24 17:32:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28511 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17439; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:30:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17325; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17311; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:30:44 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.19.141] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC85138000AC; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <013301bf06d4$6adc0220$733479cf@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Got my 760ED, now for some questions... Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01BF06B2.E33C7A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01BF06B2.E33C7A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'v finally settled on a decent thinkpad system and because it's the = first Pentium-class notebook, I have a few questions about it. I'v only = had it for an hour or so, and am working on installing RedHat and = Win95C.(no OS included BTW) First things first-when I booted up I was presented with a mere 4"x6" = screen for Win95. I'm wondering is this is 'normal' for a 12.1" screen. = *Major* bummer if you can't use the entire real-estate in text-based = OS's such as Dos and Linux. Is this system still under warranty? If so, are cracks covered by = warranty? There seems to be a nasty crack on the left hand side where = the option door is for devices in the UltraBay. It starts at the top = where the KB rests on and runs down to the middle of the option door. = This item was refurb'ed so I almost expected something like this. I = could return it to the reseller, but that would mean paying shipping vs = free from IBM. Also, it included an external floppy. I was under the impression that = the externals could also be used in the UltraBay. I'm kind of glad that = it *is* external, but can I removed it from the external housing? It's = FRU:66G5069 Thanks very much! -Jamie Thanks a lot! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01BF06B2.E33C7A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I'v finally settled = on a decent=20 thinkpad system and because it's the first Pentium-class notebook, I = have a few=20 questions about it. I'v only had it for an hour or so, and am working on = installing RedHat and Win95C.(no OS included BTW)
 
First things first-when I booted up I = was presented=20 with a mere 4"x6" screen for Win95. I'm wondering is this is 'normal' = for a=20 12.1" screen. *Major* bummer if you can't use the entire real-estate in=20 text-based OS's such as Dos and Linux.
 
Is this system still under warranty? If = so, are=20 cracks covered by warranty? There seems to be a nasty crack on the left = hand=20 side where the option door is for devices in the UltraBay. It starts at = the top=20 where the KB rests on and runs down to the middle of the option door. = This item=20 was refurb'ed so I almost expected something like this. I could return = it to the=20 reseller, but that would mean paying shipping vs free from = IBM.
 
Also, it included an external floppy. I = was under=20 the impression that the externals could also be used in the UltraBay. = I'm kind=20 of glad that it *is* external, but can I removed it from the external = housing?=20 It's FRU:66G5069
 
Thanks very much!
-Jamie
 
Thanks a lot!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0130_01BF06B2.E33C7A00-- From cph Fri Sep 24 17:41:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28566 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:41:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18392; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18139; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18125; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:39:43 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.68.1.7]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990924213940.VMSB29473@compaq>; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:39:40 +0000 Message-ID: <37EB0E96.1354@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:39:34 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Got my 760ED, now for some questions... References: <013301bf06d4$6adc0220$733479cf@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It may still be under warranty. You would need to call 1-800-772-2227 with the serial# to find out. If it is still under warranty, you can buy an extension for around $100 per year. You need to go to www.ibm.com and download all the drivers. The ThinkPad utilities will allow you to enable screen expansion. If that is the 800X600 model (there is also a 1024X768 model) it will run everything full screen. Don't forget to DL and create all 9 MWAVE diskettes, to install the sound system and modem. Also DL the Video Features and MPEG Features. This is a great machine, but it will give you heartburn trying to set it up from scratch! Slip wrote: > > Hi there, > I'v finally settled on a decent thinkpad system and because it's > the first Pentium-class notebook, I have a few questions about it. I'v > only had it for an hour or so, and am working on installing RedHat and > Win95C.(no OS included BTW) > > First things first-when I booted up I was presented with a mere 4"x6" > screen for Win95. I'm wondering is this is 'normal' for a 12.1" > screen. *Major* bummer if you can't use the entire real-estate in > text-based OS's such as Dos and Linux. > > Is this system still under warranty? If so, are cracks covered by > warranty? There seems to be a nasty crack on the left hand side where > the option door is for devices in the UltraBay. It starts at the top > where the KB rests on and runs down to the middle of the option door. > This item was refurb'ed so I almost expected something like this. I > could return it to the reseller, but that would mean paying shipping > vs free from IBM. > > Also, it included an external floppy. I was under the impression that > the externals could also be used in the UltraBay. I'm kind of glad > that it *is* external, but can I removed it from the external housing? > It's FRU:66G5069 > > Thanks very much! > -Jamie > > Thanks a lot! > -Jamie From cph Fri Sep 24 17:46:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28593 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:46:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19603; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:44:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19257; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19097; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17097; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:43:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003201bf06d5$da7a1da0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Slip" , References: <013301bf06d4$6adc0220$733479cf@TECHGAP.NET> Subject: Re: Got my 760ED, now for some questions... Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:43:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Jamie wrote: >First things first-when I booted up I was presented with a mere 4"x6" screen for Win95. I'm wondering >is this is 'normal' for a 12.1" screen. Once you get correct video drivers installed (from IBM) you should be able to get to full resolution, hence full screen size. >If so, are cracks covered by warranty? This seems to be a matter of some dispute, and depends a bit on where the crack is. For example, on my 560, IBM said that a crack in the lower latch would have been covered, but my crack in the upper latch was not. I suppose that had my crack been on the lower latch I might have had a different response:-) BTW, I have found that the only really reliable glue for Thinkpad cases is a plumber's solvent adhesive; look for the kind that works on both ABS and PVC plastics (perhaps only the ABS is really important). Epoxies, superglues, etc. simply don't bond properly. (Some model airplane cements also work OK.) - David R. - David From cph Fri Sep 24 18:00:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28689 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:00:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22880; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:58:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22714; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22688; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4 -> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:58:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01975 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ken-wi6-57.ix.netcom.com(205.184.155.57) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001372; Fri Sep 24 15:53:35 1999 Message-ID: <000001bf06ce$82f531c0$399bb8cd@ix.netcom.com> From: "rea" To: Subject: Command Com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:14:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0515.9C1F1CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0515.9C1F1CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Any ideas on why command.com started coming up on my startup IBM 760e. I = just upgraded to win98se. It's not in the startup group. thx Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0515.9C1F1CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,
Any ideas on why command.com started coming up on my startup IBM = 760e. I=20 just upgraded to win98se. It's not in the startup group.
thx Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF0515.9C1F1CC0-- From cph Fri Sep 24 18:07:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28731 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:07:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23655; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:05:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23295; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23282; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:05:03 -0400 Received: from andres (pm529-13.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.165]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA63660 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:04:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990924180521.00a9aec0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:05:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Command Com In-Reply-To: <000001bf06ce$82f531c0$399bb8cd@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think you ought to have c:\windows\system\msconfig on your system. Use that to see what things are run at startup, and you'll likely find command.com there, somewhere. Msconfig.exe is a great little utility that MS provides, but I only stumbled across it by accident once. Anyway, its a useful thing to remember when some godawful program insists on poking its head up at boot time...... STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 04:14 PM 9/22/1999 -0500, rea wrote: > All, Any ideas on why command.com started coming up on my startup IBM >760e. I just upgraded to win98se. It's not in the startup group. thx Bob From cph Sat Sep 25 02:44:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA30432 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:44:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11776; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11573; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11560; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:42:54 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-195-118.war.uk.ibm.net [139.92.195.118]) by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id GAA42178 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:41:45 GMT Message-ID: <37EC6E1C.89E0354E@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:39:24 +0100 From: Tony Wright Organization: Equi-Tek CompCon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem References: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> <3.0.6.32.19990924160616.00aa4610@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' wrote: > Anyway, I think its worth a try. Certainly the idea of reinstalling > software is pointless--problems in the code like this can't be fixed > by installation, but in this day of seemingly forgetting *how* things > work--not understanding things at the atomic level--the standard response > is to reinstall... In my overly verbose way of stating the obvious I have to say that I'm impressed with your most astute and perceptive analysis of the "shortcomings" of "modern" day technical support and thus wholeheartedly agree with your obsevations and conclusions.....(FWIW) OR in brief: Well said! I apologise if I missed a previous clue and/or am stating the obvious but doesn't the error suggest that the initialisation string is not correctly setting the internal modems hardware registers correctly? This predicates several approaches, including: 1. Enabling verbose error logging during the initialisation sequence.... 2. Examination and/or experimentation of the AT&F1 or default factory initialisation string... 3. Examine possibility of using AT&Z to additionally preceed an AT&F or to duplicate the command in an attempt to force multiple resets.... 4. Confirmation that System Bios version is current......... Some of the above may require creative manipulation of W98 registry with all it's attendent risks!... :-( FWIW I observe that on my now antique 755CE with it's internal Mwave, occcasionally the "hardware" appears intermittently not to re-initialise or reset via software request and requires a "cold boot"/POR recycle to achieve a return to full functionality(not using W98 I might add) ... :-( Of course with W98's(and others) propensity to dynamically resources (hardware/software interrupts etc) on boot then the problem may well lie in the OS itself........ The vital "clue" apparently missing from the original post (again I apologise if I missed it) was whether this "initialisation" error occurred during first use of modem during a W98 session or after it had already been successfully used? I suspect however it's the former in which case one needs to further examine what resources W98 "thinks" it's allocated as opposed to what the hardware has actually "allocated"..... Turning of PnP and statically allocating these etc where possible..... However as with any "intermittent" problem and depending on the frequency of it's occurrence - such things are "easier said than done....".....and require a methodical approach with much patience and diligence over a sometimes lengthy and protracted period..... Sometimes as in this case above one must also evaluate the potential effort required to be expended against the "impact" caused by minor(?) flaws in hardware,firmware or the OS. > STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 12:51 PM 9/24/1999 -0700, Bob Curtis wrote: > >I see this all the time (every time) with my TP600 and internal modem. I > >reinstalled, rebooted, installed newest drivers, searched deja news, > >searched as many FAQs as I could find, tore my hair out......but still could > >not determine why or how to fix. > > > >My solution. I installed a PCMCIA modem that works very well, all the time. > > > >I'll be watching this list to see if anyone has a fix that works. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: John Fenk > >To: > >Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 10:35 AM > >Subject: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem > > > > > >> I have a thinkpad 770Z with Wiindows 98. Smetimes when I try to dial the > >> modem I get an error message saying error 630 and something like "the > >modem > >> is not responding. check the phone line or turn the modem off and on > >> again." The only way I have been able to get it working again is by > >> rebooting. Then it may work for a week or it may fail the second time I > >> try to use the modem. Is anyone else seeing this? I called IBM service > >> and they had me reinstall the modem driver, but the problem is back. > >> > >> -- > >> John Fenk > >> fenk@agora.rdrop.com > >> (503) 641-8036 > > > > > > -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" From cph Sat Sep 25 04:33:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA30683 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28441; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:32:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28343; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28329; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:32:28 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p13.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.106]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA09770; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909250835.BAA09770@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Slip" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:24:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Got my 760ED, now for some questions... List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:43:33 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Jamie wrote: > >>First things first-when I booted up I was presented with a mere 4"x6" screen for Win95. I'm wondering >is this is 'normal' for a >12.1" screen. > >Once you get correct video drivers installed (from IBM) you should be able to get to full resolution, hence full screen size. And this is typical - vertical screen expansion - because the screen is designed for it's optimum resolution (1024*768), it won't display 640*480 correctly. Since I'm tired, I won't go into details. But that's why I think the 760ED is such an awesome computer. Or actually one of the reasons - the nice screen size. > >>If so, are cracks covered by warranty? > >This seems to be a matter of some dispute, and depends a bit on where the crack is. For example, >on my 560, IBM said that a crack in the lower latch would have been covered, but my crack in >the upper latch was not. I suppose that had my crack been on the lower latch I might have had a different response:-) Then again, Easy Serve has been quite good lately, so I guess it might depend on each case and the repair person... > From cph Sat Sep 25 10:19:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31291 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:19:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14071; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:18:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13920; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenix.grove.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13907; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenix.grove.net (205.244.12.2 -> phoenix.grove.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (z3-34.grove.net [205.244.12.84]) by phoenix.grove.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA30046 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <006701bf0760$e1327b20$540cf4cd@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Charles" From: "Charles" To: Subject: 770x and fonts on display Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:18:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF073F.592CB720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF073F.592CB720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from factory = at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer can do this resolution, but = on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read. Therefore, I tried = adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made the fonts harder to read. = At the 1280x1024 the fonts are proportional and look nice, but small. = At 1024x768, the fonts are small and are not proportional (i.e., they = look like terrible) and are hard to read. Does anyone know of a = solution to this problem? I thank you for any help. Charles ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF073F.592CB720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,
 
I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display = setting=20 >from factory at 1280x1024.  It is nice that this computer can do = this=20 resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read.  = Therefore,=20 I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made the fonts harder to = read.  At the 1280x1024 the fonts are proportional and look nice, = but=20 small.  At 1024x768, the fonts are small and are not proportional = (i.e.,=20 they look like terrible) and are hard to read.  Does anyone know of = a=20 solution to this problem?  I thank you for any help.
Charles
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BF073F.592CB720-- From cph Sat Sep 25 10:58:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31430 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:58:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16398; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:57:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16238; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16206; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:57:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 25420 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 1999 14:57:06 -0000 Received: from pppa29-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.88) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 14:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <37ECE328.C4ADD585@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:58:48 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770x and fonts on display References: <006701bf0760$e1327b20$540cf4cd@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Change font size, not screen resolution. In Win95 it is: Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Settings > Font Size Then choose a size you see clearly, for example, 110% or larger. > Charles wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from > factory at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer can do this > resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read. > Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made > the fonts harder to read. At the 1280x1024 the fonts are > proportional and look nice, but small. At 1024x768, the fonts are > small and are not proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and > are hard to read. Does anyone know of a solution to this > problem? I thank you for any help. > Charles ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Sep 25 14:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA31973 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24698; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24569; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24556; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:35:14 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23242; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909251834.NAA23242@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga3-19.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.147) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023238; Sat Sep 25 13:34:21 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <002301bf032e$16e5c880$b2a8b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dock II Bios? List-Unsubscribe: Aaron, I think you are correct. I tried the trick again, and all went well. Am not exactly sure when to hit cntrl A, but it must be a little late in the sequence. Allan On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:05:06 -0500, Aaron W. Brown wrote: >Allan, > > I believe that's a keyboard error you get when a key is depressed during >the boot time keyboard test. The test reports a key is stuck, but you were >probably holding down the key to make sure you hit >fast enough. > >Aaron. > > > > >>Aaron, >> >>Thank you for this information. It is most helpful. >>I tried the Control A routine, but hit a snag. It >>generated an IC 301 error, then went into >>the SCSI setup. >> >>Allan Ballard >> >>On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:31:51 -0500, Aaron W. Brown wrote: >> >>>Hi Allan, >>> >>> The dock II doesn't have a computer BIOS (or any flashable firmware that >I >>>know of). The thinkpad's BIOS contains the interface to talk to the dock >>>II. Do you have the latest BIOS installed in your thinkpad? I seem to >>>recall some BIOS update release notes describing dock II fixes for the >>>TP755. But the point is those bugs were fixed by updating the laptop's >BIOS >>>not any firmware in the dock II. >>> That said, when cold booting a thinkpad inserted into a dock II, a SCSI >>>BIOS extension is (optionally) loaded and hooked into the laptop's BIOS >for >>>SCSI drive support (by Adaptec). This extension is only needed if >running >>>native MSDOS and accessing SCSI devices. It is not used by Windows or >Unix >>>unless you are booting off a SCSI disk and then only at boot time. >>> Adaptec probably used EPROM (non-flash) to store the SCSI firmware >>>requiring a chip swap to update. I doubt there is a need for it though. >In >>>fact, I disable the SCSI BIOS hooks (via control A at boot) unless I want >to >>>boot from a SCSI disk and/or install an OS from SCSI CDROM (via native >MSDOS >>>prompt) Doing so will prevent the SCSI BIOS extension from using space in >>>the range between 640k-1M. Dock II compatible (ISA) thinkpads can have >>>conflict issues here that can cause OS flakiness. >>> >>> >>>Aaron Brown. >>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Can the Dock II bios be updated? >>>> >>>>So far, I don't see a mention in the IBM pages. >>>> >>>>Is there any need to update the Dock II bios? >>>> >>>>Allan Ballard >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From cph Sat Sep 25 15:31:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32117 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:31:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26533; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:29:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26295; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26262; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:28:56 -0400 Received: from andres (port42.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.181]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA64420 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:28:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990925152906.00aa1840@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:29:06 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 770x and fonts on display In-Reply-To: <37ECE328.C4ADD585@netzero.net> References: <006701bf0760$e1327b20$540cf4cd@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Charles, you'll have to do as Juan says--an LCD display can't change its resolution; you are "stuck" at 1280x1024. Trying other resolutions won't work, as you discovered. This is the only "bad" things about this kinda display. Me, I'm a resolution nut and the 1024x768 that I have on my TP is fine and I'd love to have 1280x1024! So if you are comtemplating the purchase of a TP or other LCD equipment system, remember to look at it first. If you don't like XGA screen sizes then you might want an 800x600 system instead. STeve At 07:58 AM 9/25/1999 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >Change font size, not screen resolution. > >In Win95 it is: > >Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Settings > Font Size > >Then choose a size you see clearly, for example, 110% or larger. > >> Charles wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from >> factory at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer can do this >> resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read. >> Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made >> the fonts harder to read. At the 1280x1024 the fonts are >> proportional and look nice, but small. At 1024x768, the fonts are >> small and are not proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and >> are hard to read. Does anyone know of a solution to this >> problem? I thank you for any help. >> Charles >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > From cph Sat Sep 25 15:40:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32145 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:40:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22429; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22170; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22153; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:49 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id NAA15248 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbs-vty13.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbs-vty13.as.wcom.net [216.192.132.13]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15202 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:36:12 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5525.990925@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Am I Docked? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thinkpad folks, I have a question that I suspect may be Win95/Win98 generic. I would like to be able to tell whether my TP770ED is sitting in the port expansion unit or not. I don't have any PCMCIA slots in the "dock", but just some cables hooked up to things like my floppy drive and a device on the other end of the serial port cable. I need to know whether I'm docked within a program, that would do two different sets of operations, depending on the answer. I do have some control over the device on the serial port, so I suppose that I could just wake up and attempt to open the port every now and then or do a handshake with that device. However, it seems to me that such a scheme would prevent any other use of that serial port. Any ideas? Thanks! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN+0H9m8pw+2/9pUJEQJbVQCgqjXBC0+ryz3LM5/HvWSYboOXIe4AoImu rrtZyxtTtQV6fJo7xDBTwt+e =u2pM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat Sep 25 15:40:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32148 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:40:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22900; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22816; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22803; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:17 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.19.141] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A95C32EB014E; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01e601bf077e$33344300$733479cf@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Uh oh, 760 won't boot! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:48:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E3_01BF075C.AB933440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E3_01BF075C.AB933440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, I just got this 760Ed yesterday and already I think I mudged up a = long and tedious install of RedHat and Win95. I was doing a battery = cycle when I poped open the KB to show a buddy the guts. Well the system = is set to hybernate on suspend(I think it's called redi-suspend or = something). Anyways, I shut down the system for some reason or another, = but when I booted back up, all I get after POST is a blinking cursor. My = thoughts are that somehow I hybernated while it was coming back out of = suspend(I opened the keyboard several times). Well now I'm stuck with a = system that just blinks at me. I tried booting from a boot disk and = renaming the hybernation file, but that didn't work either. I booted = >from a floppy, hibernated, and restarted. I successfully came out of = hibernation to the same spot. However I rebooted w/out the floppy and it = does the same. Just a blinking cursor. I even FDISK /MBR'ed. Would = deleting the file be any better? I'm just at lost as to what I did. = Anyone? Thanks, any help is appreciated! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_01E3_01BF075C.AB933440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there,
    I just got this = 760Ed yesterday=20 and already I think I mudged up a long and tedious install of RedHat and = Win95.=20 I was doing a battery cycle when I poped open the KB to show a buddy the = guts.=20 Well the system is set to hybernate on suspend(I think it's called = redi-suspend=20 or something). Anyways, I shut down the system for some reason or = another, but=20 when I booted back up, all I get after POST is a blinking cursor. My = thoughts=20 are that somehow I hybernated while it was coming back out of suspend(I = opened=20 the keyboard several times). Well now I'm stuck with a system that just = blinks=20 at me. I tried booting from a boot disk and renaming the hybernation = file, but=20 that didn't work either. I booted from a floppy, hibernated, and = restarted. I=20 successfully came out of hibernation to the same spot. However I = rebooted w/out=20 the floppy and it does the same. Just a blinking cursor. I even FDISK = /MBR'ed.=20 Would deleting the file be any better? I'm just at lost as to what I = did.=20 Anyone?
 
Thanks, any help is = appreciated!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_01E3_01BF075C.AB933440-- From cph Sat Sep 25 15:45:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32188 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:45:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27315; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27115; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27100; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:43:36 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.167.202]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990925194336.BJEX8392.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:43:36 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01bf0789$5c0af840$caa7b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Slip" , Subject: Re: Uh oh, 760 won't boot! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:08:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Jamie, Hold down the F1 key while turning on the computer. Re-intialize. This should clear things up. If not; press the red hardware reset button while the thinkpad is on. I'm assuming the 760ED has one of these. Good luck, Aaron. Hey there, I just got this 760Ed yesterday and already I think I mudged up a long and tedious install of RedHat and Win95. I was doing a battery cycle when I poped open the KB to show a buddy the guts. Well the system is set to hybernate on suspend(I think it's called redi-suspend or something). Anyways, I shut down the system for some reason or another, but when I booted back up, all I get after POST is a blinking cursor. My thoughts are that somehow I hybernated while it was coming back out of suspend(I opened the keyboard several times). Well now I'm stuck with a system that just blinks at me. I tried booting from a boot disk and renaming the hybernation file, but that didn't work either. I booted from a floppy, hibernated, and restarted. I successfully came out of hibernation to the same spot. However I rebooted w/out the floppy and it does the same. Just a blinking cursor. I even FDISK /MBR'ed. Would deleting the file be any better? I'm just at lost as to what I did. Anyone? Thanks, any help is appreciated! -Jamie From cph Sat Sep 25 16:56:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA32439 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:56:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29643; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:53:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29324; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29307; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:52:52 -0400 Received: by SPR_MAIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:55:47 -0500 Message-ID: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB80149BE@BIGRED> From: Greg Langham To: "'Charles'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 770x and fonts on display Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF0798.573CC6CC" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0798.573CC6CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You need to leave the resolution as it is. With any LCD panel, you should run the video at the resolution intended for the panel. You can use large fonts (that is what I do with my 770Z with the 13.7" screen). You can also increase icon size, etc. This approach means that everything will look much smoother than going to a lower resolution. -----Original Message----- From: Charles [mailto:jetskier@grove.net] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:19 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770x and fonts on display Hi folks, I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from factory at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer can do this resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read. Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made the fonts harder to read. At the 1280x1024 the fonts are proportional and look nice, but small. At 1024x768, the fonts are small and are not proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and are hard to read. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem? I thank you for any help. Charles ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0798.573CC6CC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
You need to leave the resolution as it is. With any LCD panel, you should run the video at the resolution intended for the panel.
 
You can use large fonts (that is what I do with my 770Z with the 13.7" screen). You can also increase icon size, etc. This approach means that everything will look much smoother than going to a lower resolution.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles [mailto:jetskier@grove.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:19 AM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: 770x and fonts on display

Hi folks,
 
I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from factory at 1280x1024.  It is nice that this computer can do this resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read.  Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made the fonts harder to read.  At the 1280x1024 the fonts are proportional and look nice, but small.  At 1024x768, the fonts are small and are not proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and are hard to read.  Does anyone know of a solution to this problem?  I thank you for any help.
Charles
------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0798.573CC6CC-- From cph Sat Sep 25 17:23:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA32507 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:23:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00655; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:21:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00559; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00544; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:21:25 -0400 Received: from [12.79.53.229] by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990925212122.IMIE1110@[12.79.53.229]>; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:21:22 +0000 Message-ID: <37ED3CCD.102A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:21:17 -0400 From: Bruce Markowtz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: "'Charles'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: 770x and fonts on display References: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB80149BE@BIGRED> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actually, the newer machines with the ATI RAGE PRO LT video card (Dell 7K, Compaq ARmada 1750) can run at any lower resolution, even 640X480 on an XGA screen, and it looks great (in fact just like on a CRT monitor). IBM needs to play catch up on this one, I just sold my 770ED in facor of an Armada 1750. The only thing I miss is the SelectaDock 3 (OK, I am using it with a 760ED, but of course it is not as fast). Greg Langham wrote: > > You need to leave the resolution as it is. With any LCD panel, you > should run the video at the resolution intended for the panel. > > You can use large fonts (that is what I do with my 770Z with the 13.7" > screen). You can also increase icon size, etc. This approach means > that everything will look much smoother than going to a lower > resolution. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles [mailto:jetskier@grove.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:19 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 770x and fonts on display > > Hi folks, > > I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting > from factory at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer > can do this resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are > hard to read. Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to > 1024x768 which made the fonts harder to read. At the > 1280x1024 the fonts are proportional and look nice, but > small. At 1024x768, the fonts are small and are not > proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and are hard to > read. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem? I > thank you for any help. > Charles From cph Sat Sep 25 18:41:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32676 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:41:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03632; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03473; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03460; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:39:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23289 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:39:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tfx-us15-188.ix.netcom.com(207.94.236.188) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023255; Sat Sep 25 17:39:12 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990925174053.007bda00@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:40:53 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: Best power in an 18 wheeler In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Howdy folks. We've got a little problem. Last night, our TP 350 was put into a coma while connected to a Microbolt cigarette lighter power adapter. The same adapter was powering our 755 CD when it died in exactly the same way - no LED's, no screen backlighting, NOTHING. Has anyone had any similar experiences with the Microbolt power adapter killing TPs? Right now, we don't trust the Microbolt any more, so we're powering our remaining computer using a 500 watt power inverter and the IBM AC power supply. Any thoughts on this? The output of the inverter is not a pure sine wave, but rather a heavily modified stepped wave, if that makes any difference. What is the best way to get power to my laptop in such a hostile environment? I can't afford to keep burning the computers out on such a regular basis. Thanks for your help, Blaine Hufnagle Scott Ferguson BRUTE FORCE TRUCKING. "Have you tried using Brute Force?" From cph Sat Sep 25 20:12:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA00489 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:12:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07909; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07801; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07787; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:30 -0400 Received: from andres (port13.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.14]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA37242 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990925201147.00aa1bb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:11:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Best power in an 18 wheeler In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990925174053.007bda00@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Ouch! After that first that got blitzed, it would have been a *very* good idea to check both your (alledged) 13.8V supply for spikes, and the Microbolt for consistent DC voltage. Doesn't IBM sell a DC adaptor for this TP? Using an inverter is one of those things which in my experience has either worked, or not. Check how hot the AC adaptor is; if it isn't worse than when plugged into real AC, you are likely OK. I'd never thought about a truck being a hostile environment before, but you know lots more about that than *I* do. One solution for you might be to see if the IBM DC adaptor can run off 12V DC, and get a deep cycle marine battery, and run your laptop off that. Assuming a 5A drain on the battery from the adaptor, you should have roughly a 20 hour life on a 110AH battery. You could then charge it up using an AC charager when home, or via the alternator in the rig? Having the TP run off a battery guarantees that you won't have another TP killing surge. But really, I think you have problems in the alternator/DC system in the rig. Of course it would be best if you could fix that. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 05:40 PM 9/25/1999 -0500, Blaine Hufnagle wrote: >Howdy folks. > >We've got a little problem. Last night, our TP 350 was put into a coma >while connected to a Microbolt cigarette lighter power adapter. The same >adapter was powering our 755 CD when it died in exactly the same way - no >LED's, no screen backlighting, NOTHING. Has anyone had any similar >experiences with the Microbolt power adapter killing TPs? > >Right now, we don't trust the Microbolt any more, so we're powering our >remaining computer using a 500 watt power inverter and the IBM AC power >supply. Any thoughts on this? The output of the inverter is not a pure >sine wave, but rather a heavily modified stepped wave, if that makes any >difference. > >What is the best way to get power to my laptop in such a hostile >environment? I can't afford to keep burning the computers out on such a >regular basis. > >Thanks for your help, > >Blaine Hufnagle >Scott Ferguson > >BRUTE FORCE TRUCKING. > "Have you tried using Brute Force?" > > > From cph Sat Sep 25 21:51:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA00748 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:51:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10934; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:49:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10715; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10700; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:49:41 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21476; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:49:35 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01bf07c1$5ff5f3a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Blaine Hufnagle" References: <3.0.6.32.19990925174053.007bda00@popd.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Best power in an 18 wheeler Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:49:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > remaining computer using a 500 watt power inverter and the IBM AC power > supply. Any thoughts on this? The output of the inverter is not a pure > sine wave, but rather a heavily modified stepped wave, if that makes any > difference. If you look across the whole Tripp Lite line, you'll see a pretty big selection of inverters with a variety of waveforms and regulator circuits built in. One of their better inverters should be fine. (I also suppose one can just plug the IBM AC brick into a good surge suppressor then plug *that* into the inverter.) - David R. From cph Sun Sep 26 00:24:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01186 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:24:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15616; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:22:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15490; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15477; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:22:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-236.gate.net [207.36.212.236]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA160108; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37ED9F91.27767EA0@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:22:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Blaine Hufnagle Subject: Re: Best power in an 18 wheeler References: <3.0.6.32.19990925174053.007bda00@popd.ix.netcom.com> <000d01bf07c1$5ff5f3a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW.. when i was living on the boat, i had a huge inverter that ran the refrigerator 24/7 for YEARS.. this was a regular side by side ref., and i bought it new when i got the boat, and they were both running fine when i sold it.. i also ran several regular AC lamps and my tower box.. (several incarnations over 8 years).. i did this so that when we were at anchor and at night, or running during the day, i would not need to run the generator.. this inverter was ok, but not the ultimate, when handing you AC power.. the so called sine wave was, in fact, like most if not all inverters, several square steps up and down... i never never had a problem with the TP AC adapters, refrigerator, or tower box and monitor, ever.. over 8 years.. (i must admit, the monitor exhibited rolling lines when on the inverter but not so bad i would turn on the generator)... the TP ran in the wheel house when cruising, for navigation.. (it was hooked to a GPS).. and i stored way points on it, to d/l to the GPS and chart plotter.. the point of all this drivel..? never a problem, even though the sine wave wasn't.. as far as microbolt goes, i have several here, and have used one for about an hour, total time, in the car.. no problem.. suggestion?!: Blaine, hang a volt meter on it and have your co-driver watch it for over voltage conditions when running.. i don't suppose that you have an oscilloscope(sp?) or something similar..?? call microbolt and talk to tech support.. Aside to blaine: Assertive Transport is now up and running for a week..! :-) slowly growing.. working on getting the shippers.. David Ross wrote: > > remaining computer using a 500 watt power inverter and the IBM AC power > > supply. Any thoughts on this? The output of the inverter is not a pure > > sine wave, but rather a heavily modified stepped wave, if that makes any > > difference. > > If you look across the whole Tripp Lite line, you'll see a pretty big selection of inverters with a variety of waveforms and > regulator circuits built in. One of their better inverters should be fine. (I also suppose one can just plug the IBM AC brick into > a good surge suppressor then plug *that* into the inverter.) > > - David R. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 26 00:32:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01198 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:32:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16117; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16013; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15998; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-236.gate.net [207.36.212.236]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA100626; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37EDA18C.261A0855@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:31:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron W. Brown" CC: Slip , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Uh oh, 760 won't boot! References: <009f01bf0789$5c0af840$caa7b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: reinit from ez setup probably won't help, and the red reset button isn't, red that is, on the TP.. you push a pointy object in a hole between the dock plug and the external video plug on the back.. oh, also check the suspend switch (next to the left hinge) be sure it operates freely.. ditto the keyboard switch.. (located on the underside, front edge, and operated by a tiny post just inside the bottom)... but i don't THINK any of this will help.. sounds like the HDD needs to be FDISK'd and start over.. but first, did you look at it while booted from a floppy..?? anything there..?? try the linux recovery disk..??? "Aaron W. Brown" wrote: > Jamie, > > Hold down the F1 key while turning on the computer. Re-intialize. This > should clear things up. If not; press the red hardware reset button while > the thinkpad is on. I'm assuming the 760ED has one of these. > > Good luck, > Aaron. > > Hey there, > I just got this 760Ed yesterday and already I think I mudged up a long > and tedious install of RedHat and Win95. I was doing a battery cycle when I > poped open the KB to show a buddy the guts. Well the system is set to > hybernate on suspend(I think it's called redi-suspend or something). > Anyways, I shut down the system for some reason or another, but when I > booted back up, all I get after POST is a blinking cursor. My thoughts are > that somehow I hybernated while it was coming back out of suspend(I opened > the keyboard several times). Well now I'm stuck with a system that just > blinks at me. I tried booting from a boot disk and renaming the hybernation > file, but that didn't work either. I booted from a floppy, hibernated, and > restarted. I successfully came out of hibernation to the same spot. However > I rebooted w/out the floppy and it does the same. Just a blinking cursor. I > even FDISK /MBR'ed. Would deleting the file be any better? I'm just at lost > as to what I did. Anyone? > > Thanks, any help is appreciated! > -Jamie -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 26 07:47:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA11351 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:47:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17794; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:45:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17584; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17562; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:45:04 -0400 Received: from susan-basement (207-172-239-12.s12.as1.rkv.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.239.12]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23488; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990926074627.00693050@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: seweryni@pop.erols.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:46:30 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: George Seweryniak Subject: IMB Tninkpad Battery info needed Cc: seweryni@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the battery pinoput on the IBM Thinkpad Batteries for the TP 700 and TP 755CV. I have a number of 755 batteries and would like to adapt to use in the 700. Both are 10.8 v 2.8 AH. Part numbers are: TP 755CV battery is P/N 85G8520 TP 700 battery is P/N 44G3740 George From cph Sun Sep 26 13:13:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12148 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:13:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25343; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25237; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25224; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg128-134.ricochet.net [204.179.128.134]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22430; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:11:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Charles" Cc: Subject: RE: 770x and fonts on display Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37ECE328.C4ADD585@netzero.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > > I have a thinkpad 770x which came with the display setting from > > factory at 1280x1024. It is nice that this computer can do this > > resolution, but on a 13.7" screen, the fonts are hard to read. > > Therefore, I tried adjusting the display to 1024x768 which made > > the fonts harder to read. At the 1280x1024 the fonts are > > proportional and look nice, but small. At 1024x768, the fonts are > > small and are not proportional (i.e., they look like terrible) and > > are hard to read. Does anyone know of a solution to this > > problem? I thank you for any help. > Change font size, not screen resolution. > > In Win95 it is: > > Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Settings > Font Size > > Then choose a size you see clearly, for example, 110% or larger. That's good advice. I would suggest using the Large Fonts setting (125%) for best application compatibility. Very few apps are ever tested with font settings other than Small Fonts and Large Fonts. And unfortunately, all too many are never even tested with Large Fonts, but that's still a better bet than some other in-between setting. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sun Sep 26 13:45:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12347 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:45:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27192; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26907; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26869; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.134 -> ds-img-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:43:29 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.6) id NAA02924 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:42:53 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: ThinkPad 770 200MHz mmx - A GOOD DEAL?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199909261342_MC2-8654-E96B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA12348 In UK, a dealer is selling a new 200MHz mmx 770 TPad 32Mb 3.3Gb 13.3tft for £938 inc.(UK Pounds) Is this machine CPU Upgradable? Is this a good deal? Thoughts most welcome! Mark From cph Sun Sep 26 13:50:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12383 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:50:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27702; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:49:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27544; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27515; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:49:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.97]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990926174915.TKFO1110@compaq>; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:49:15 +0000 Message-ID: <37ED7B99.5673@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:49:13 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 200MHz mmx - A GOOD DEAL?? References: <199909261342_MC2-8654-E96B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA27702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA12384 How much is that in real money? Mark Gardiner wrote: > > In UK, a dealer is selling a new 200MHz mmx 770 TPad 32Mb 3.3Gb 13.3tft > for £938 inc.(UK Pounds) > > Is this machine CPU Upgradable? Is this a good deal? > > Thoughts most welcome! > > Mark From cph Sun Sep 26 13:52:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12400 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28093; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:51:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27978; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web203.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27941; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web203.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.103 -> web203.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <19990926174728.29143.rocketmail@web203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.85.183] by web203.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:47:28 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 200MHz mmx - A GOOD DEAL?? To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Cc: thinkpad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA28093 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA12401 I would say that a pound sterling is much closer to real money than the US dollar but.... last time I checked it was about $1.65 US dollars per pound. --- Bruce Markowitz wrote: > How much is that in real money? > > Mark Gardiner wrote: > > > > In UK, a dealer is selling a new 200MHz mmx 770 > TPad 32Mb 3.3Gb 13.3tft > > for £938 inc.(UK Pounds) > > > > Is this machine CPU Upgradable? Is this a good > deal? > > > > Thoughts most welcome! > > > > Mark > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Sun Sep 26 14:47:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12796 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:47:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00343; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00210; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00190; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-452.gate.net [199.227.173.198]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA128808; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: <37EE69DB.66A7A097@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 200MHz mmx - A GOOD DEAL?? References: <199909261342_MC2-8654-E96B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id OAA00343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA12797 Mark.. machine is not upgradeable.. unless you can find a damaged 770ED or X and swap out the system board, but why do that, just swap the display.. :-) does it have the 3 year warranty.. if so, then factor that into the mix.. BUT $1500USD is a bit high for that machine these days.. i would go for a good used TP-600 for about the same or less.. if you buy something here and shiop it there, you'll be paying VAT, but will not VAT be added to the TP-770 you are buying there..? Mark Gardiner wrote: > In UK, a dealer is selling a new 200MHz mmx 770 TPad 32Mb 3.3Gb 13.3tft > for £938 inc.(UK Pounds) > > Is this machine CPU Upgradable? Is this a good deal? > > Thoughts most welcome! > > Mark -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 26 15:21:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12879 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01597; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01433; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01420; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:19:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-452.gate.net [199.227.173.198]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA35306; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37EE71C8.F2A7473A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:19:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Seweryniak CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IMB Tninkpad Battery info needed References: <3.0.32.19990926074627.00693050@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the TP 700 battery is entirely different from the TP-75x series batteries.. you can reuse the cells i suppose... newer batteries are smarter than the 700/720 batteries... when/if you DO use the cells, be careful when soldering them.. factory spec is a spot weld.. (fast and temporary heat).. vs. soldering with anything less than a really BIG soldering IRON... in short, avoid prolonged heating of the replacement cell, otherwise cell death will occur and its slightly possible for an explosive cell death which might involve you.. George Seweryniak wrote: > Does anyone know the battery pinoput on the IBM Thinkpad Batteries for the > TP 700 and TP 755CV. > > I have a number of 755 batteries and would like to adapt to use in the 700. > > Both are 10.8 v 2.8 AH. > > Part numbers are: > > TP 755CV battery is P/N 85G8520 > TP 700 battery is P/N 44G3740 > > George -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 26 17:16:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13481 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:16:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05269; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:15:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05173; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05149; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (199.183.9.108 -> netcom8.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:14:53 -0400 Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA15328; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: FS: 64 MB upgrade for 770 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990925174053.007bda00@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Two available PNY part P-76H0295. $100 ea. plus shipping and insurance. Email privately if interested. Thanks. Cheers, Jim From cph Sun Sep 26 17:51:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13574 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:51:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06904; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06750; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06729; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:49:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-452.gate.net [199.227.173.198]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA51476; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:46:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37EE94B4.835E496E@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:48:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FS: 64 MB upgrade for 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jim and others.. thats cheap considering the recent price increases in memory..! Jim Michael wrote: > Two available PNY part P-76H0295. $100 ea. plus shipping and insurance. > Email privately if interested. Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Jim -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Sep 26 21:32:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14424 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14680; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14451; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14438; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:13 -0400 Received: from 83.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.83]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990927013009.XOYP29473@83.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:30:09 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 and DVD Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:30:17 GMT Message-ID: <37f7c810.24742897@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've seen some deals on the IBM ThinkPad 600 (2645-41u) and I'm considering it, but I'd like to add the DVD drive. IBM's web site suggests getting the Margi DVD decoder card, which ain't cheap - anyone get the drive without the card? How's the viewing quality with software decoding? A PII is the lower limit of the requirements, iirc. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Sun Sep 26 21:38:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14456 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:38:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15147; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14996; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14963; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.16.193]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990927013724.BVFG7282@compaq>; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:37:24 +0000 Message-ID: <37EDE951.4476@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:37:21 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 and DVD References: <37f7c810.24742897@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, I have a Compaq Armada 1750, P2 333 It runs DVD just as well with the Compaq Software solution (DVD Express) as it does with the Margi card. Of course, it has the ATI RAGE PRO LT video card (4MB), which is an AGP 2X card, if that makes the difference. Emanuel Brown wrote: > > I've seen some deals on the IBM ThinkPad 600 (2645-41u) and I'm > considering it, but I'd like to add the DVD drive. IBM's web site suggests > getting the Margi DVD decoder card, which ain't cheap - anyone get the > drive without the card? How's the viewing quality with software decoding? A > PII is the lower limit of the requirements, iirc. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Sun Sep 26 23:53:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14997 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:53:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19098; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:51:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18938; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18916; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:51:30 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt84o.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.152]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22064 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bf089b$6dfb44c0$98a0aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: Advanced Power Management Version 1.0 vs. 1.2 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:50:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: After EasyServ upgraded my BIOS, standby and hibernate would hang. I discovered that by forcing APM to 1.0 (instead of the default 1.2) from Control Panel > Device Manager > System > Advanced Power Management > Settings, it seems to be OK except some of the power management features seem to be disabled. Are any iSeries owners use APM 1.2? Does anyone know the differences between the two versions? Thanks, Chuck From cph Mon Sep 27 05:32:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15997 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:32:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20108; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19783; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19584; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:30:27 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA26028; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:30:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002901bf08ca$e6133e20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Emanuel Brown" Cc: References: <37f7c810.24742897@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <37EDE951.4476@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: TP 600 and DVD Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:30:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > FWIW, I have a Compaq Armada 1750, P2 333 > It runs DVD just as well with the Compaq Software solution (DVD Express) > as it does with the Margi card. Of course, it has the ATI RAGE PRO LT > video card (4MB), which is an AGP 2X card, if that makes the difference. AGP will make zero difference here; however, the ATI card is especially good at software DVD decoding. Even in the desktop world, where for 99% of apps the Rage Pro cards are wildly outstripped by 3dfx, nVidia, et al products, ATI more than hold their own for DVD software decoding. (Just look at comparative reviews for business desktops in magazines from about 5-6 months ago.) In particular, this Compaq experience won't generalize to the Thinkpad. - David R. From cph Mon Sep 27 14:22:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19137 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:22:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11131; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09800; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09632; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:13:42 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA17405; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:13:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909271813.NAA17405@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga11-06.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.134) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017351; Mon Sep 27 13:13:07 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:13:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Nokia and TP List-Unsubscribe: test. Nokia wireless data suite and Nokia 5190. Thinkpad 760CD. Mwave. Allan Ballard From cph Mon Sep 27 15:16:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA19496 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22182; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:08:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20727; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20396; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:39 -0400 Received: from andres (port37.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.38]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA35156 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990927150749.00aa35c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:49 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Nokia and TP In-Reply-To: <199909271813.NAA17405@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Is this a statement, or a request to see if the below work together? ;-) --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 02:13 PM 9/27/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >test. > >Nokia wireless data suite and Nokia 5190. >Thinkpad 760CD. Mwave. > >Allan Ballard From cph Mon Sep 27 16:33:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20061 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:33:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03407; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03250; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03196; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:24 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA13737; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:28:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909272028.PAA13737@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga12-07.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.199) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013723; Mon Sep 27 15:28:42 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "STeve Andre'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990927150749.00aa35c0@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Nokia and TP List-Unsubscribe: Hahaha. A statement. Works fine. For reasonably small messages, it is not too slow. Not the best solution perhaps, but not near bad. Once the price on minutes falls, and the cell speed goes up, land lines will be obsolete. The Nokia is set to 9.6; I haven't experimented to see if this can be improved upon. Allan Ballard On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:49 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Is this a statement, or a request to see if the below work together? ;-) > >--STeve Andre' >andres@msu.edu > >At 02:13 PM 9/27/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >>test. >> >>Nokia wireless data suite and Nokia 5190. >>Thinkpad 760CD. Mwave. >> >>Allan Ballard > From cph Mon Sep 27 17:12:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20442 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:12:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07083; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06691; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06642; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:04 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-37kad31.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.52.97]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18547 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Nokia and TP Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909272028.PAA13737@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> List-Unsubscribe: Allan, OK, so you connected with a NOKIA 5190. Whose wireless service? Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 4:30 PM To: STeve Andre'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Nokia and TP Hahaha. A statement. Works fine. For reasonably small messages, it is not too slow. Not the best solution perhaps, but not near bad. Once the price on minutes falls, and the cell speed goes up, land lines will be obsolete. The Nokia is set to 9.6; I haven't experimented to see if this can be improved upon. Allan Ballard On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:49 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Is this a statement, or a request to see if the below work together? ;-) > >--STeve Andre' >andres@msu.edu > >At 02:13 PM 9/27/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >>test. >> >>Nokia wireless data suite and Nokia 5190. >>Thinkpad 760CD. Mwave. >> >>Allan Ballard > From cph Mon Sep 27 17:12:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20447 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:12:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07219; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06869; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06711; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:09:30 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg128-073.ricochet.net [204.179.128.73]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17949; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:08:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501bf092c$84377060$4980b3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: "Derek Seaman" , References: Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:08:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IMHO, Tumi is over rated for the price! ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Seaman To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: RE: TP600 Carrying Cases > For the ulitmate laptop carrier, check out the Tumi line. They are > expensive, but are pratically indestructable. I've had one for over a year, > and it looks factory new. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu [mailto:dnb@ccs.neu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:23 PM > To: Rat Boy > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases > > > "Rat Boy" writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my > TP600 > > and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best > > choice. > > > > Right now the only two I am really considering is: > > This wasn't one of your choices, but if you are looking for backpack > cases as well, I can't recommend highly enough the cases from SpireUSA > (www.spireusa.com). The one I got was pretty pricey (around $130, I > believe), but well worth it. It is heads and shoulders (no pun > intended) above the EMS laptop pack I used to use. More info available > upon request. > > Peace, > dNb > > From cph Mon Sep 27 17:19:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20521 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08702; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08403; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08389; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:17 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA19747; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:17:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909272117.QAA19747@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga12-07.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.199) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019730; Mon Sep 27 16:16:42 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad list" , "William Armstrong" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Nokia and TP List-Unsubscribe: Powertell. On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:08:14 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Allan, > >OK, so you connected with a NOKIA 5190. Whose wireless service? > >Bill Armstrong > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 4:30 PM >To: STeve Andre'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Nokia and TP > > >Hahaha. A statement. Works fine. For reasonably >small messages, it is not too slow. Not the best >solution perhaps, but not near bad. > >Once the price on minutes falls, and the cell speed >goes up, land lines will be obsolete. > >The Nokia is set to 9.6; I haven't experimented to >see if this can be improved upon. > >Allan Ballard > >On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:07:49 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >>Is this a statement, or a request to see if the below work together? ;-) >> >>--STeve Andre' >>andres@msu.edu >> >>At 02:13 PM 9/27/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >>>test. >>> >>>Nokia wireless data suite and Nokia 5190. >>>Thinkpad 760CD. Mwave. >>> >>>Allan Ballard >> > > From cph Mon Sep 27 17:30:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20631 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:30:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10087; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:28:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09943; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09930; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (199.183.9.118 -> netcom18.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:28:14 -0400 Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA29796; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001501bf092c$84377060$4980b3cc@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: A couple of months ago I researched discount online retailers of briefcases. The best I found was Irvs: http://www.irvs.com/ Cheers, Jim On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, mike wrote: > IMHO, Tumi is over rated for the price! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Derek Seaman > To: > Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:01 PM > Subject: RE: TP600 Carrying Cases > > > > For the ulitmate laptop carrier, check out the Tumi line. They are > > expensive, but are pratically indestructable. I've had one for over a > year, > > and it looks factory new. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu [mailto:dnb@ccs.neu.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:23 PM > > To: Rat Boy > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases > > > > > > "Rat Boy" writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my > > TP600 > > > and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best > > > choice. > > > > > > Right now the only two I am really considering is: > > > > This wasn't one of your choices, but if you are looking for backpack > > cases as well, I can't recommend highly enough the cases from SpireUSA > > (www.spireusa.com). The one I got was pretty pricey (around $130, I > > believe), but well worth it. It is heads and shoulders (no pun > > intended) above the EMS laptop pack I used to use. More info available > > upon request. > > > > Peace, > > dNb > > > > > > From cph Mon Sep 27 19:11:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21420 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:11:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06220; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:04:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05966; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05917; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:04:39 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nisech-ascend-ppp9.nosc.mil [198.253.16.75]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20325 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: RE: TP600 Carrying Cases Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:01:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: For the ulitmate laptop carrier, check out the Tumi line. They are expensive, but are pratically indestructable. I've had one for over a year, and it looks factory new. -----Original Message----- From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu [mailto:dnb@ccs.neu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:23 PM To: Rat Boy Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 Carrying Cases "Rat Boy" writes: > Hi, > > Could you help me please. I would like to get a carrying case for my TP600 > and I would like some input from the collective wisdom as to the best > choice. > > Right now the only two I am really considering is: This wasn't one of your choices, but if you are looking for backpack cases as well, I can't recommend highly enough the cases from SpireUSA (www.spireusa.com). The one I got was pretty pricey (around $130, I believe), but well worth it. It is heads and shoulders (no pun intended) above the EMS laptop pack I used to use. More info available upon request. Peace, dNb From cph Tue Sep 28 01:56:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA23598 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:56:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05517; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:54:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05356; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from signal.uu.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05296; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from signal.uu.se (130.238.47.210 -> signserv.signal.uu.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:54:43 -0400 Received: from hactar.signal.uu.se (IDENT:bruce@hactar.signal.uu.se [130.238.47.47]) by signal.uu.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA06498 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:51:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:51:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Staffan Bruce Reply-To: staffan.bruce@signal.uu.se To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 and DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Don't know if it can be of any interest, but I've been watching complete movies using software decoding only on my TP600 (PII 300). Nothing extra. It gets a bit shaky from time to time, but definitely not annoying in my opinion. Staffan > > I've seen some deals on the IBM ThinkPad 600 (2645-41u) and I'm > considering it, but I'd like to add the DVD drive. IBM's web site suggests > getting the Margi DVD decoder card, which ain't cheap - anyone get the > drive without the card? How's the viewing quality with software decoding? A > PII is the lower limit of the requirements, iirc. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Staffan Bruce email: staffan.bruce@signal.uu.se Signals and Systems http: www.signal.uu.se/Staff/sb/sb.html Box 528 phone: +46 (0)18 471 1078 751 20 Uppsala mobile: +46 (0)70 NOT HERE SWEDEN fax: +46 (0)18 55 5096 From cph Tue Sep 28 10:37:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA25340 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:37:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12942; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12815; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine27.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12802; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine27.Stanford.EDU (171.64.15.102 -> elaine27.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:03 -0400 Received: (from benkoh@localhost) by elaine27.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22488; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh Sender: benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EZserve and my 560X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello fellow TP owners: it looks like EZserve's recent improvements to service are not yet consistent. It's my turn to vent on EZserve: I just got a call from EZserve telling me that my 560X's flaky keyboard was damaged and will cost $357 to fix, because the warranty does not cover "damage". Huh? It screwed up while I was using it, so that's damage? The keyboard is physically and cosmetically perfect, except that several keys (C,M,period,comma,left shift and enter) don't work or work erratically, and the top bezel covering the battery and hard drive became warped over time - my guess is' heat from the hard drive. I wouldn't call it damage, because that implies user-induced. I call it component failure =( because I did nothing unusual in using the laptop. So I refused to pay and got it escalated. I'll let everyone know when EZserve gets back to me. As an analogy, if your new car broke down while you were driving it on the road, does that mean it's your fault? No, you bring it to the dealer for servicing right? Unless you've abused the car by driving in knee-deep mud or something, you shouldn't have to pay to fix it. My 560X sat on the desk 24/7 and got transported maybe 15 times in the last year. The keyboard got daily use, that's what it's designed for isn't it? To be USED. The unit has never been dropped and the only signs of wear are a dirty trackpoint cap and a missing "Designed for Windows 95" sticker I peeled off. I would think my laptop was treated pretty well. Sigh... Benjamin From cph Tue Sep 28 11:19:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25584 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:19:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16323; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:17:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16121; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16108; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:17:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 6059 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 1999 15:17:37 -0000 Received: from pppa38-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.97) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 15:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: <37F0DC4A.C78E7EFD@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:18:34 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZserve and my 560X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh wrote: > > Hello fellow TP owners: it looks like EZserve's recent improvements to > service are not yet consistent. > > It's my turn to vent on EZserve: I just got a call from EZserve telling me > that my 560X's flaky keyboard was damaged and will cost $357 to fix, > because the warranty does not cover "damage". Huh? It screwed up while I > was using it, so that's damage? The keyboard is physically and > cosmetically perfect, except that several keys (C,M,period,comma,left > shift and enter) don't work or work erratically, and the top bezel > covering the battery and hard drive became warped over time - my guess is' > heat from the hard drive. I wouldn't call it damage, because that implies > user-induced. I call it component failure =( because I did nothing unusual If your ambient temperature didn't exceed IBM's specifications, call it either "bad or deficient engineering design" and/or "deficient testing and quality control/assurance". Only if the ambient temperature was higher than as per specs they can call it "damaged by user mishandling". > in using the laptop. So I refused to pay and got it escalated. I'll let > everyone know when EZserve gets back to me. > > As an analogy, if your new car broke down while you were driving > it on the road, does that mean it's your fault? No, you bring it to the > dealer for servicing right? Unless you've abused the car by driving in > knee-deep mud or something, you shouldn't have to pay to fix it. My 560X > sat on the desk 24/7 and got transported maybe 15 times in the last year. > The keyboard got daily use, that's what it's designed for isn't it? To be > USED. The unit has never been dropped and the only signs of wear are a > dirty trackpoint cap and a missing "Designed for Windows 95" sticker I > peeled off. I would think my laptop was treated pretty well. Sigh... > > Benjamin ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Sep 28 12:32:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26032 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:32:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22038; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21756; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21710; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:29:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-427.gate.net [199.227.173.173]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA54110; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37F0ECF2.91DE7DBC@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:29:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZserve and my 560X References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I would ask what, about the keyboard, or anything else, leads the technician to believe that this is user induced damage..? in short, how do they define used induced damage..?? also, i would want to know the level of experience that this particular technician has with IBM products.. i.e. is this tech assigned to thinkpads only or all hardware that comes into the place..?? additionally, a new keyboard is only about $50 and swapping it is not hard.. AND, i had a 560 that had a grande latte' spilled over it.. the keyboard was merely a bit sticky, the membrane suffered NO damage at all and there was no degredation in performance once i cleaned all the sugar and milk off it..! :-) those keyboards are so much improved over the earlier 755CE keyboard that one of my birds let a wet poop all over it.. that keyboard failed almost immediately.. wet within the membrane and POOF!! dead keyboard.. treat those ez serve fellows with kindness, respect and FIRMNESS.. this sort of crap should never happen..!! you did the right thing to escalate this and i'm sure you'll prevail, but always remember, like the speed cop with a ticket book and a pen, the pen is mightier than the sword.. :-) Benjamin Kai Kia Koh wrote: > Hello fellow TP owners: it looks like EZserve's recent improvements to > service are not yet consistent. > > It's my turn to vent on EZserve: I just got a call from EZserve telling me > that my 560X's flaky keyboard was damaged and will cost $357 to fix, > because the warranty does not cover "damage". Huh? It screwed up while I > was using it, so that's damage? The keyboard is physically and > cosmetically perfect, except that several keys (C,M,period,comma,left > shift and enter) don't work or work erratically, and the top bezel > covering the battery and hard drive became warped over time - my guess is' > heat from the hard drive. I wouldn't call it damage, because that implies > user-induced. I call it component failure =( because I did nothing unusual > in using the laptop. So I refused to pay and got it escalated. I'll let > everyone know when EZserve gets back to me. > > As an analogy, if your new car broke down while you were driving > it on the road, does that mean it's your fault? No, you bring it to the > dealer for servicing right? Unless you've abused the car by driving in > knee-deep mud or something, you shouldn't have to pay to fix it. My 560X > sat on the desk 24/7 and got transported maybe 15 times in the last year. > The keyboard got daily use, that's what it's designed for isn't it? To be > USED. The unit has never been dropped and the only signs of wear are a > dirty trackpoint cap and a missing "Designed for Windows 95" sticker I > peeled off. I would think my laptop was treated pretty well. Sigh... > > Benjamin -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 28 12:53:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26293 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:53:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23999; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:52:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23906; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23892; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:52:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 6287 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 1999 16:51:58 -0000 Received: from pppa38-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.97) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 16:51:58 -0000 Message-ID: <37F0F267.B3570A5D@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:52:55 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZserve and Bill Morrow References: <37F0ECF2.91DE7DBC@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > always remember, like the speed cop with a ticket book and a pen, > the pen is mightier than the sword.. :-) and I comment, almost off topic: ... and the TrackPoint is mightier than all mice! 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Sep 28 13:07:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26408 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25318; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:05:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25158; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25119; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (208.243.113.121 -> prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26726 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909281701.NAA26726@prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 & Linux: external keyboard, mouse, monitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:01:30 -0400 From: Mark List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone used an external keyboard, mouse, or monitor with a TP600 under Linux? When I boot with a splitter and external attachments, I see the boot messages on the external monitor, but the keyboard and mouse don't respond. The splitter cable is new (though untested) and the mouse and keyboard work. Once X starts, the monitor goes blank. Any suggestions for XF86Config settings that will work on both the LCD and an external monitor? ---- Mark Bergman -- From cph Tue Sep 28 16:12:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29735 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:12:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11789; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11346; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11320; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14 -> dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:06:56 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA15636; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909282006.PAA15636@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga10-42.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.106) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015616; Tue Sep 28 15:05:48 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Benjamin Kai Kia Koh" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37F0ECF2.91DE7DBC@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZserve and my 560X List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:29:38 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >AND, i had a 560 that had a grande latte' spilled over it.. >the keyboard was merely a bit sticky, the membrane suffered NO damage at all >and there was no degredation in performance once i cleaned all the sugar and >milk off it..! :-) Morale of the story: drink yer coffee black.... From cph Tue Sep 28 17:05:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30137 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:05:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15719; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15537; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15524; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:03:14 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg-20425426-72.ricochet.net [204.254.26.72]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08450; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:03:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Rat Boy" , Subject: RE: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:03:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner on this... > ... Is the TrackPoint an integral > part of the keyboard, meaning you can't replace one without the other? How > much do keyboards for ThinkPads cost? Where does one get them? You can > replace it yourself? Where does one find directions on cracking the case > open? Yes, the TrackPoint is part of the keyboard assembly. You replace the whole thing as a unit. For pricing, see IBM Parts at: http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts (Note: Don't try to "correct" that URL by adding a trailing "/". Won't work.) You will also see keyboards for sale on eBay and other places. Instructions for replacing the keyboard are in the Hardware Maintenance Manual for your particular ThinkPad. Go here: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/00index.txt and after the page finishes loading, use your browser's Find command to search for "Maint". (They misspelled the word "Maintenance" in at least one place, so don't search for the complete word. ) Find the .pdf file for your machine and download it from the ftp site. One way is to go here: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ then *right* click on the .pdf filename in the list and use Save Target As... to save the .pdf file on your system. You will need Acrobat Reader >from http://www.adobe.com/ to read it. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Tue Sep 28 17:27:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30313 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:27:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17500; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17281; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17230; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (199.2.210.241 -> agora.rdrop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:23:09 -0400 Received: from fenktp (ppp-d0.rdrop.com [199.2.212.33]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24508 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenk@agora.rdrop.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990927110128.009742d0@agora.rdrop.com> X-Sender: fenk@agora.rdrop.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:12:26 -0700 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Fenk Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-Reply-To: <37EC6E1C.89E0354E@ibm.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19990924103044.00963a60@agora.rdrop.com> <3.0.6.32.19990924160616.00aa4610@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:39 PM 9/24/99, you wrote: >STeve Andre' wrote: > > >I apologise if I missed a previous clue and/or am stating the obvious >but doesn't the error suggest that the initialisation string is not >correctly setting the internal modems hardware registers correctly? >This predicates several approaches, including: >1. Enabling verbose error logging during the initialisation sequence.... >2. Examination and/or experimentation of the AT&F1 or default factory >initialisation string... >3. Examine possibility of using AT&Z to additionally preceed an AT&F or >to duplicate the command in an attempt to force multiple resets.... >4. Confirmation that System Bios version is current......... > >Some of the above may require creative manipulation of W98 registry with >all it's attendent risks!... :-( > >FWIW I observe that on my now antique 755CE with it's internal Mwave, >occcasionally the "hardware" appears intermittently not to re-initialise >or reset via software request and requires a "cold boot"/POR recycle to >achieve a return to full functionality(not using W98 I might add) ... >:-( > >Of course with W98's(and others) propensity to dynamically resources >(hardware/software interrupts etc) on boot then the problem may well lie >in the OS itself........ > >The vital "clue" apparently missing from the original post (again I >apologise if I missed it) was whether this "initialisation" error >occurred during first use of modem during a W98 session or after it had >already been successfully used? The modem always works after a reboot. Sometime after that - it may be 1 hour or 1 week, I get the error. I don't want to follow some suggestions of buying a PCMCIA modem. I already paid for the one in my 770. I just want it to work right. I did at one time install the latest drivers and V90 update and that didn't help. How do I enable logging of the modem initialization? I tried enabling logging in the ppp dialup properties, but that started logging after the modem connected. I have upgraded to the latest system bios as well. That didn't help either. Has anyone else had this exact problem with the error 630 message? One thing I am trying to accomplish by posting this is have some ammo for my next call to IBM. If I can say that I know that 10 other people are having this problem, I can perhaps argue more successfully for them to start looking for the bug in their driver instead of in my system configuration. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Tue Sep 28 21:24:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA31742 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:24:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00871; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:22:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00720; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00704; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:22:27 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-179.gate.net [207.36.212.179]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA43786; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:21:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37F169CD.681F80B5@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:22:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Problems on TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: last i checked, a 600 keyboard was about $50, the trackpoint is not sold seperately, but it can be replaced, but its really not worth it.. Michael Geary wrote: > Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner on this... > > > ... Is the TrackPoint an integral > > part of the keyboard, meaning you can't replace one without the other? > How > > much do keyboards for ThinkPads cost? Where does one get them? You can > > replace it yourself? Where does one find directions on cracking the case > > open? > > Yes, the TrackPoint is part of the keyboard assembly. You replace the whole > thing as a unit. For pricing, see IBM Parts at: > > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts > > (Note: Don't try to "correct" that URL by adding a trailing "/". Won't > work.) > > You will also see keyboards for sale on eBay and other places. > > Instructions for replacing the keyboard are in the Hardware Maintenance > Manual for your particular ThinkPad. Go here: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/00index.txt > > and after the page finishes loading, use your browser's Find command to > search for "Maint". (They misspelled the word "Maintenance" in at least one > place, so don't search for the complete word. ) Find the .pdf file for > your machine and download it from the ftp site. One way is to go here: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ > > then *right* click on the .pdf filename in the list and use Save Target > As... to save the .pdf file on your system. You will need Acrobat Reader > from http://www.adobe.com/ to read it. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Sep 28 23:41:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA32525 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:41:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08128; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:39:02 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07763; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:39:00 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id XAA11886 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10108; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:23:08 -0400 Received: by mail.hillsdale.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:21:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1632D5B5B556D3119C4600104B27E4D51CC8B3@mail.hillsdale.edu> From: Steven Fettig To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Best power in an 18 wheeler Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:21:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: >From what I know, all 18-wheelers run a 24-volt sys. I'm tired and not thinking too clearly, but unless that is converted to 12V for the cig. lighter and other possible power outlets, that would be where your problem is. All of the DC adapters I have had were specifically rated for 12V. There has to be something out there, though, for what you are talking about - either a 24 to 12V DC to DC converter or simply a 24V DC to 110V AC converter used for other small "appliances"... SNF -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 8:12 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Best power in an 18 wheeler Ouch! After that first that got blitzed, it would have been a *very* good idea to check both your (alledged) 13.8V supply for spikes, and the Microbolt for consistent DC voltage. Doesn't IBM sell a DC adaptor for this TP? Using an inverter is one of those things which in my experience has either worked, or not. Check how hot the AC adaptor is; if it isn't worse than when plugged into real AC, you are likely OK. I'd never thought about a truck being a hostile environment before, but you know lots more about that than *I* do. One solution for you might be to see if the IBM DC adaptor can run off 12V DC, and get a deep cycle marine battery, and run your laptop off that. Assuming a 5A drain on the battery from the adaptor, you should have roughly a 20 hour life on a 110AH battery. You could then charge it up using an AC charager when home, or via the alternator in the rig? Having the TP run off a battery guarantees that you won't have another TP killing surge. But really, I think you have problems in the alternator/DC system in the rig. Of course it would be best if you could fix that. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 05:40 PM 9/25/1999 -0500, Blaine Hufnagle wrote: >Howdy folks. > >We've got a little problem. Last night, our TP 350 was put into a coma >while connected to a Microbolt cigarette lighter power adapter. The same >adapter was powering our 755 CD when it died in exactly the same way - no >LED's, no screen backlighting, NOTHING. Has anyone had any similar >experiences with the Microbolt power adapter killing TPs? > >Right now, we don't trust the Microbolt any more, so we're powering our >remaining computer using a 500 watt power inverter and the IBM AC power >supply. Any thoughts on this? The output of the inverter is not a pure >sine wave, but rather a heavily modified stepped wave, if that makes any >difference. > >What is the best way to get power to my laptop in such a hostile >environment? I can't afford to keep burning the computers out on such a >regular basis. > >Thanks for your help, > >Blaine Hufnagle >Scott Ferguson > >BRUTE FORCE TRUCKING. > "Have you tried using Brute Force?" > > > From cph Tue Sep 28 23:47:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA32555 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:47:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09165; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:45:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08813; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08792; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:45:12 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id XAA23038 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net [216.192.146.29]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA22949 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:06:01 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17795.990928@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990927110128.009742d0@agora.rdrop.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990927110128.009742d0@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Monday, September 27, 1999, 1:12:26 PM, John wrote: JF> I don't want to follow some suggestions of buying a JF> PCMCIA modem. I already paid for the one in my 770. JF> I just want it to work right. Amen, brother! I thought so, too. After a while, though, I decided that my time was worth something. That was when I gave up on fighting the internal modem and bought a Megahertz PCMCIA modem. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/FDP28pw+2/9pUJEQItDQCgv6s4/LZ4xSrlO1w4Y5cxXGjqv/UAmwZX 2cAVev4BwkNNkjFlBoo8g/SP =dEYK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Sep 29 00:40:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA00428 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:40:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12062; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:38:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11959; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11945; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:38:40 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.168.44]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990929043841.CBVT20513.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf0a2f$9153eb80$2ca8b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: , "John Fenk" Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:03:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: John, Does opening the serial port (COMx) in Hyperterminal produce the same error? Or typing AT. If so, the modem log would be short. Or does it give this error trying to sync/connect with the other modem? In which case the error log would be umm, longer. I think others are saying the 770 has a substandard V90 modem and you'll get much better Internet with a PCMCIA. Save your breath convincing IBM they have a bug, they already know. You'd have to be more than a little persistent to get IBM to fix this junk. Or patient, and even then, a PCMCIA is faster. The best advice I can give you is to ask IBM for a PCMCIA modem. Tell them you want a 3com. Aaron Brown. > >The modem always works after a reboot. Sometime after that - it may be 1 >hour or 1 week, I get the error. I don't want to follow some suggestions >of buying a PCMCIA modem. I already paid for the one in my 770. I just >want it to work right. I did at one time install the latest drivers and >V90 update and that didn't help. > > >Has anyone else had this exact problem with the error 630 message? One >thing I am trying to accomplish by posting this is have some ammo for my >next call to IBM. If I can say that I know that 10 other people are having >this problem, I can perhaps argue more successfully for them to start >looking for the bug in their driver instead of in my system configuration. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Wed Sep 29 00:55:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA00521 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:55:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13226; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12991; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12922; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:14 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id AAA15179 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net [216.192.146.29]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id AAA15154 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:51:51 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8994.990928@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: On-site Not Always Perfect, Either Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just concluded my first experience with on-site support in quite a while, my first with my 770ED. Here's what happened. My TP had developed a stress fracture running from the screw hole just above the Esc key. Not wanting to wait for it to get worse, I called and described the problem. When the tech called, I again described the problem. I also mentioned that the screw that holds the doors closed over the docking connector had gone missing, and I'd appreciate getting it replaced at the same time. I was assured that there was no problem. I was calling last Friday. The tech set up an appointment for Monday morning at 8:30am at my home. Nothing was mentioned about the way the parts would meet up with the tech and my 770ED, so I assumed that the tech would have them when he arrived, as this is how things worked a couple of years ago with my 755CE. Monday morning, 8:30am came and went. At 9:00am, I called to find out where the tech was. I was told that he had left his previous stop at 8:40am and should be at my location "any minute now". "Any minute now" came and went. At 10:00am, I called again to tell IBM that I had to leave and that they should have the tech call me to arrange a different meeting place / time. At 10:17am, I got a call from a *different* tech. He told me that he had only got the call for my repair within the past half hour, and that the other tech was unavailable. He asked me whether I had the parts. "Huh?" Well, it seems that their new procedure is to ship the parts to the customer where the tech, parts, and machine all come into coincidence. Well, I certainly hadn't seen any parts show up at my home, which I finally left at about 10:30am. Later, I found that they had been delivered some time after 11:00am. So, I found myself wondering several things: 1) Why would IBM set up an appointment to fix my machine over 2.5 hours before the parts arrived? 2) Why would IBM fail to notify me if the appointment could not be kept? 3) Why would I be told on my 9:00am call that the tech was on the way, when the tech didn't even know about me until an hour later? So, I decided to call Lou's office and see whether they could clear up these points of confusion for me. They wer not entirely successful in this, but did promise to figure out where the disconnects were and work to see that others would not be similarly confused in the future. When I got home Monday evening, there was a box of parts. I took it with me to the office and met the tech, as agreed, at about 10:00am there on Tuesday (today). He replaced the piece of case around the keyboard (where the stress fracture was). However, instead of anything related to the doors over the dock connector, I was sent a pair of parts that look like part of the screen hinge assembly. Hmm. Also, BTW, the label on this part says "770" instead of "770ED". No big deal unless I want to sell someday. And, it seems that I manage to hang onto computer equipment until it isn't worth selling. Lou's office followed up later in the day. I gave them a 4 out of 5 for final resolution. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/Ga228pw+2/9pUJEQLM6wCfQbpe/hEouIWxjZN/tVLVVWIz+/cAoKB5 bRUXxC/e027wiEpxNwPwfrrc =wXzc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Sep 29 02:20:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00804 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:20:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16616; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:17:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16350; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16334; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (209.30.6.15 -> bunyip.flash.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:17:02 -0400 Received: from s9i5e3 (p234-196.atnt1.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.234.196]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA03508 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01bf0a45$38e95460$c4ea1ed1@s9i5e3> From: "Tom Collins" To: Subject: Re: Best power in an 18 wheeler Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:38:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Information for all: Modern 18 wheelers use 12 volts....just like cars. They haven't used 24 volts in years. O======C wrench >From what I know, all 18-wheelers run a 24-volt sys. I'm tired and not >thinking too clearly, but unless that is converted to 12V for the cig. >lighter and other possible power outlets, that would be where your problem >is. All of the DC adapters I have had were specifically rated for 12V. >There has to be something out there, though, for what you are talking about >either a 24 to 12V DC to DC converter or simply a 24V DC to 110V AC >converter used for other small "appliances"... From cph Wed Sep 29 02:24:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00818 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:24:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17002; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:23:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16845; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16832; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:23:04 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA05943 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:22:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bf0a43$1004cd60$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: [TP560] Boot from external drive? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:22:52 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Is it possible to boot from an external (pcmcia) IDE hard drive? The 560 BIOS has a boot-order option to try the pcmcia first, but this seems to be ignored when I try it with my external drive. Is it possible that I need a point-enabler or some such to recognize the drive? If so, then how do people manage to boot off a pcmcia card drive? Thanks, David From cph Wed Sep 29 04:37:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA01213 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:37:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27620; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:36:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27475; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27461; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (202.77.253.46 -> olsmail1.att.net.hk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:35:55 -0400 Received: from steve (ppp5-193.att.net.hk [202.77.162.193]) by olsmail1.att.net.hk (8.8.8/AT&T-EasyLink-AP) with SMTP id QAA28683 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:35:48 +0800 (HKT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Wong" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:08 +0800 Message-ID: <000901bf0a56$f41befc0$c1a24dca@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000e01bf0a45$38e95460$c4ea1ed1@s9i5e3> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph Wed Sep 29 06:42:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA01817 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:42:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09749; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:40:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09616; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09602; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.180.215 -> law2-f257.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:40:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 34333 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 10:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:40:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.132] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E modem slow connect Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:40:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Good Morning, When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. Why is the 600E consistently slower? Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? Also, sometimes I don't hear the first ring when it dials. Has anyone seen this on their system? Thank You Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Sep 29 09:02:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02330 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:02:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21136; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:00:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20919; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20873; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:00:30 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19443 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:00:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:00:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I looked around (here in germany) if there are some cleaning liquids or something similar especially for TFT-displays available, but I haven't found any. I would like to know some recommended methods for gentle and protective TFT cleaning. Whats about available monitor liquids, are these too strong? For example, my TP has some milky shades (maybe from previous try outs with a little spit...)on it's TFT which I can't remove by just using a dry piece of cloth. Greetings Valentino Kyriakides -- Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co. KG Tel.: ++49 40 / 658088 Lotharstrasse 2b, D-22041 Hamburg Fax.: ++49 40 / 65808-202 http://www.lavielle.de/ Email: vkyr@lavielle.com From cph Wed Sep 29 09:06:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02362 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21824; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21654; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21636; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA21417; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Steve Wong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <000901bf0a56$f41befc0$c1a24dca@steve> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Steve Wong wrote: > Unsubscribe > Follow these instructions to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Wed Sep 29 09:52:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02672 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:52:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25018; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24849; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24835; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:44 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-33.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.43]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA62586 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990929095054.00aaad10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, which has worked well. This is sold by a place that makes and sells glasses. It contains some isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting though fingerprints and such. STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 03:00 AM 9/29/1999 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: >Hello, > >I looked around (here in germany) if there are some cleaning liquids or >something similar especially for TFT-displays available, but I haven't found >any. I would like to know some recommended methods for gentle and protective >TFT cleaning. Whats about available monitor liquids, are these too strong? > >For example, my TP has some milky shades (maybe from previous try outs with >a little spit...)on it's TFT which I can't remove by just using a dry piece >of cloth. > >Greetings > >Valentino Kyriakides From cph Wed Sep 29 09:54:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02695 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:54:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25345; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25185; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25167; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:05 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-33.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.43]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA34222 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:02 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990929095316.00aa9a40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:53:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-Reply-To: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If your 600 has a Lucent Winmodem, that will explain it. My i1451 has one, and it is a fairly miserable little beast, given to fits of hanging up and never quite connecting at the speeds that other modei do. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 03:40 AM 9/29/1999 PDT, Rat Boy wrote: >Good Morning, > >When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal >desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. Why is the 600E consistently >slower? Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? Also, sometimes >I don't hear the first ring when it dials. Has anyone seen this on their >system? > >Thank You > >Jimmy From cph Wed Sep 29 10:15:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02813 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:15:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27331; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:13:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27187; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27168; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:12:57 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id KAA06696 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guz-vty29.as.wcom.net [216.192.146.29]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA06642 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:12:18 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4383.990929@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-reply-To: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RB> When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal RB> desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. Typical. RB> Why is the 600E consistently slower? Probably because in my experience IBM doesn't know how to or doesn't care to put a decent built-in modem into the ThinkPad line. RB> Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? Certainly, if by "it" you mean your 600E. Just plug a PCMCIA modem into the machine and connect *that* to your phone line. I did that years ago with my 750C, then 755CE, and now 770ED and have eliminated a whole raft of problems. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/IePm8pw+2/9pUJEQIm7gCgrfVbW81RgV9QPp/8qiF1SZ/8W+4AoMYY V2ABqGYir8Q8E+VSdUZA+YT3 =64TB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Sep 29 12:35:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03781 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:35:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08072; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:33:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07855; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07817; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:32:51 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27969; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:32:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:32:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990929095054.00aaad10@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Is this similar to the better eyeglasses cleaner, somebody told me that good wet tissue eyeglasses cleaner would be perfectly usable for TFTs? Valentino Kyriakides > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, which has worked well. > This is sold by a place that makes and sells glasses. It contains some > isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting though fingerprints and > such. > > STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > ... From cph Wed Sep 29 12:46:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03842 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:46:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09109; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08935; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08892; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.106 -> web206.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: <19990929164243.19529.rocketmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.136.144.33] by web206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:42:43 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? To: Valentino Kyriakides , "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: IBM recommends a 50-50 mix of isopropyl alcohol and water applied with a soft cotton cloth. It's what I use, cheap and very effective. --Mike B. --- Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > Is this similar to the better eyeglasses cleaner, > somebody told me that good > wet tissue eyeglasses cleaner would be perfectly > usable for TFTs? > > Valentino Kyriakides > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to > clean TFTs? > > > > > > I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, > which has worked well. > > This is sold by a place that makes and sells > glasses. It contains some > > isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting > though fingerprints and > > such. > > > > STeve Andre' > > andres@msu.edu > > ... > > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Wed Sep 29 13:03:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA03975 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:03:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10855; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:01:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10647; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10593; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:00:14 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-106.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.106]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02803 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990929130017.01236b50@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:00:17 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-Reply-To: <4383.990929@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:12 AM 09/29/1999 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >RB> When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal >RB> desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. > >Typical. > >RB> Why is the 600E consistently slower? > >Probably because in my experience IBM doesn't know how to or doesn't >care to put a decent built-in modem into the ThinkPad line. > >RB> Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? > >Certainly, if by "it" you mean your 600E. Just plug a PCMCIA modem >into the machine and connect *that* to your phone line. I did that >years ago with my 750C, then 755CE, and now 770ED and have eliminated >a whole raft of problems. I agree. I remember my 755cx and 760c just sputtering out with the Mwave modem. I use a 770z now, and whilst it doesn't degrade system performance, it is a miserable, finicky, little creature. That's a shame, since the Thinkpads are SUCH lovely machines and are always elegant and always stay ahead of the curve in screen technology. I would prefer IBM to REMOVE the modem and start offering their machines with 10/100bT RJ45 interfaces instead. But then again, seeing their track record with modems.............. I prefer USR/Megahertz modems. Right now, I use an Xjack 5560 (56k X2/V90 Cellular capable), and it consistently and cleanly connects to everything I throw at it. This includes hotel travels, remote site links and at home. I evaluated a Xircom unit a few months back before passing it along to a co-worker, and I found the USR provided better connects, less drops and higher rates. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 29 15:19:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05334 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:19:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15522; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15384; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15365; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:07:19 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00965; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:07:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:07:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37F24A6F.AEED4AC8@netzero.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all who responded, especially Juan-Carlos Lerman who also explained very well the pros and contras. I will now look around for isopropyl alcohol here in germany! Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 7:21 PM > To: Valentino Kyriakides > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > It might be OK but it might be very bad also. > If it has ammonia it might, in the long term, make the screen > yellow. Then, some of those eye-glasses cleaners have some > silicone oil to leave an anti-fogging layer on the surface of > the glass, this might also affect the screen surface which is > some kind of plastic. > > To clean photographic lenses made of glass, I use a Kodak > leans cleaner which I don't dare to use on the computer LCD > screen because it has some detergent type of chemical and > perhaps some antistatic compound which I don't know how they > will react on the screen. > > Considering the price of the screens, I use what IBM recommends, > not only for technical and economical reasons but because if the > screen fails under warranty I don't want to argue with IBM about > "user caused damage"... > > When sweeping the screen with the wet tissue, the pressure > should be very light, as to collect all the dust particles, > without rubbing them on the screen. > > JC > > Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > > Is this similar to the better eyeglasses cleaner, somebody told > me that good > > wet tissue eyeglasses cleaner would be perfectly usable for TFTs? > > > > Valentino Kyriakides > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 PM > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > > > > > > > I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, which has > worked well. > > > This is sold by a place that makes and sells glasses. It > contains some > > > isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting though fingerprints and > > > such. > > > > > > STeve Andre' > > > andres@msu.edu > > > ... > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 29 15:47:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05630 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:47:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23819; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23667; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23629; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:46 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA08239; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:44:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bf0ab3$0833cee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:44:22 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I will now look around for isopropyl alcohol here in germany! Good luck - I was entirely unable to find a source in the UK. (Bizarre, since here in the US you can find it in every drugstore, corner market, supermarket, department store...) Your best bet would be a pharmacy - at least the English chemists knew what I was asking for, even if they couldn't supply it. - David R. (now back in Hawaii, where the isopropyl runs freely) From cph Wed Sep 29 16:24:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA05941 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:24:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26916; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:20:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26655; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail11.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26581; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail11.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.44 -> mail11.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:19:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 21140 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 20:19:38 -0000 Received: from pppb6-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.91.65) by mail11.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 20:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:20:35 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Valentino: Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? I'll try to rewrite, for the list, the advice given in private email and would like to mention the European info. All countries have been replacing the traditional rubbing alcohol (ethanol) so people wouldn't get drunk with an over the counter item. In the USA it was replaced by isopropyl. What's its replacement in the UK? Notice that not every rubbing alcohol other than isopropyl might affect the plastic screens with signs of "user damage," while isopropyl can not since it is "IBM proven." JC Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded, especially Juan-Carlos Lerman who also > explained very well the pros and contras. > > I will now look around for isopropyl alcohol here in germany! > > Greetings Valentino > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 7:21 PM > > To: Valentino Kyriakides > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > > > > It might be OK but it might be very bad also. > > If it has ammonia it might, in the long term, make the screen > > yellow. Then, some of those eye-glasses cleaners have some > > silicone oil to leave an anti-fogging layer on the surface of > > the glass, this might also affect the screen surface which is > > some kind of plastic. > > > > To clean photographic lenses made of glass, I use a Kodak > > leans cleaner which I don't dare to use on the computer LCD > > screen because it has some detergent type of chemical and > > perhaps some antistatic compound which I don't know how they > > will react on the screen. > > > > Considering the price of the screens, I use what IBM recommends, > > not only for technical and economical reasons but because if the > > screen fails under warranty I don't want to argue with IBM about > > "user caused damage"... > > > > When sweeping the screen with the wet tissue, the pressure > > should be very light, as to collect all the dust particles, > > without rubbing them on the screen. > > > > JC > > > > Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > > > > Is this similar to the better eyeglasses cleaner, somebody told > > me that good > > > wet tissue eyeglasses cleaner would be perfectly usable for TFTs? > > > > > > Valentino Kyriakides > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 PM > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, which has > > worked well. > > > > This is sold by a place that makes and sells glasses. It > > contains some > > > > isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting though fingerprints and > > > > such. > > > > > > > > STeve Andre' > > > > andres@msu.edu > > > > ... > > ________________________________________________________ > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 29 16:40:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06038 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:40:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28336; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:36:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28220; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28197; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:36:30 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA15011 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:36:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909292036.PAA15011@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-18.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.18) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014970; Wed Sep 29 15:36:01 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990929130017.01236b50@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect List-Unsubscribe: Well, I dunno. The Mwave modem on my 760CD doesn't sputter at all. It behave just the same as my "top of the line" Practical ProClass LCD modem; gets the same 26.4 or 28.8, set to 33.6, running 'dose95. I don't much like internal modems anymore, no matter how they are made, cuz they will all hang and make you reboot. I had to get a pc card modem in France though; the Mwave just would not cut it with the French lines. Did fine in other countries. But as we "speak" the Mwave is RAS'ing into the office server, and dealing with the nightmare Mickysoft calls Exchange client. On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:00:17 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >At 09:12 AM 09/29/1999 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>RB> When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal >>RB> desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. >> >>Typical. >> >>RB> Why is the 600E consistently slower? >> >>Probably because in my experience IBM doesn't know how to or doesn't >>care to put a decent built-in modem into the ThinkPad line. >> >>RB> Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? >> >>Certainly, if by "it" you mean your 600E. Just plug a PCMCIA modem >>into the machine and connect *that* to your phone line. I did that >>years ago with my 750C, then 755CE, and now 770ED and have eliminated >>a whole raft of problems. > >I agree. I remember my 755cx and 760c just sputtering out with the Mwave >modem. I use a 770z now, and whilst it doesn't degrade system performance, >it is a miserable, finicky, little creature. That's a shame, since the >Thinkpads are SUCH lovely machines and are always elegant and always >stay ahead of the curve in screen technology. I would prefer IBM to >REMOVE the modem and start offering their machines with 10/100bT RJ45 >interfaces instead. But then again, seeing their track record with >modems.............. > >I prefer USR/Megahertz modems. Right now, I use an Xjack 5560 (56k X2/V90 >Cellular capable), and it consistently and cleanly connects to everything >I throw at it. This includes hotel travels, remote site links and at >home. I evaluated a Xircom unit a few months back before passing it along >to a co-worker, and I found the USR provided better connects, less >drops and higher rates. > >Mark > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 29 16:47:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06119 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:47:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29133; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29010; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28967; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:19 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-206.usc.edu [128.125.224.206]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA01618 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990929133822.031673c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:42:45 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Many moons ago some of us could go directly to IBM's Boulder parts division to get pieces like trackpoint caps and port covers (doors). I had a web page at: http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad560.htm ...for getting pieces for the ThinkPad 560, for instance. The parts were reasonably-priced, the web site helped a great deal with appropriate diagrams, etc. Probem: Its dead now. Or maybe just not working just now when I tried it. I progressively cut off latter parts of the above address and still got a "page cannot be displayed" message. Anyone know of any new URL location? It would be immensely helpful as I'm trying to get new port cover doors for my TP 600 (those little rubber hinges aren't much good, it seems). And I'll be damned if I know how to even mount them, since they seem to be glued/bonded/molded into the bottom of the casing. Any help or new info would be appreciated! - Randy From cph Wed Sep 29 16:54:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06170 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29990; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:50:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29771; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29754; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (24.116.0.204 -> cb4.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:50:44 -0400 Received: from cb4.cableone.net - 24.116.0.204 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:49:00 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-130.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.130]) by cb4.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:48:58 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bf0abc$407fa5e0$f380fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: 600E modem slow connect Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:50:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-130.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.130] List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Charles & Melinda McDaniel To: Mark Bell Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:49 PM Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Bell >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:51 AM >Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect > > >>At 09:12 AM 09/29/1999 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>RB> When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My >normal >>>RB> desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. >>> >>>Typical. >>> >>>RB> Why is the 600E consistently slower? > >line noise most likely differnt modems handle it in different ways for >different connections.. >>> >>>Probably because in my experience IBM doesn't know how to or doesn't >>>care to put a decent built-in modem into the ThinkPad line. >AMEN..this is from an m-wave user..mine connects steady just low (for me >anyway) >>> >>>RB> Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? >probley not as line noise is just that your desktop modem just does a better >job of handling it.. >>> >>>Certainly, if by "it" you mean your 600E. Just plug a PCMCIA modem >>>into the machine and connect *that* to your phone line. I did that >>>years ago with my 750C, then 755CE, and now 770ED and have eliminated >>>a whole raft of problems. >Yep that will do it.. >> >>I agree. I remember my 755cx and 760c just sputtering out with the Mwave >>modem. I use a 770z now, and whilst it doesn't degrade system performance, >>it is a miserable, finicky, little creature. That's a shame, since the >>Thinkpads are SUCH lovely machines and are always elegant and always >>stay ahead of the curve in screen technology. I would prefer IBM to >>REMOVE the modem and start offering their machines with 10/100bT RJ45 >>interfaces instead. But then again, seeing their track record with >>modems.............. second that...:) >IMB likes to work on the little tricks instead of getting the other stuff >right and then giving you some bells and whistle's..this is from a IBM >aptiva user,,,(No it's not this computer i built that one for the wife..hey >it was free) >aptiva's aren't the best desktops but i guess it O.K. > >>I prefer USR/Megahertz modems. Right now, I use an Xjack 5560 (56k X2/V90 >>Cellular capable), and it consistently and cleanly connects to everything >>I throw at it. This includes hotel travels, remote site links and at >>home. I evaluated a Xircom unit a few months back before passing it along >>to a co-worker, and I found the USR provided better connects, less >>drops and higher rates. >now there's a modem...USR probley one of the best IF not the best modems on >the planet for the money. on my 4 th USR modem and still >happy..started with a 2400 baud modem and worked up from there >Xircom nice cheap BUT but not even in the same class as a USR... > >Charles >> >>Mark >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >>------------------------------------------------- >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>Network and System consultation and installation >>-------------------------------------------------- >> > From cph Wed Sep 29 17:02:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06266 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:02:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01012; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:01:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00920; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00881; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:00:51 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-206.usc.edu [128.125.224.206]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA08476 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990929135822.0313c400@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:58:26 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:50 PM 09/29/1999 -0400, you wrote: >How about http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts. More elegant than it used to be, but...when I go to the ThinkPad drop-down list for parts, it lists every TP model under the sun (many discontinued, like the 701), yet DOES NOT LIST THE TP 600!!! For cryin' out loud... - Randy From cph Wed Sep 29 17:13:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06343 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:13:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02596; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:11:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02412; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02060; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:35 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-92.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.92]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA20903 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990929170920.00fcbde0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:20 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-Reply-To: <199909292036.PAA15011@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990929130017.01236b50@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:37 PM 09/29/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >Well, I dunno. > >The Mwave modem on my 760CD doesn't sputter >at all. It behave just the same as my "top of the line" >Practical ProClass LCD modem; gets the same >26.4 or 28.8, set to 33.6, running 'dose95. > In terms of sputtering, I meant consumes system resources, not the actual connect variance. Then, with the 770 series, we achieved minimal to zero system degredation, but alas all was not well! We also achieved terrible connects. :( >>I agree. I remember my 755cx and 760c just sputtering out with the Mwave >>modem. I use a 770z now, and whilst it doesn't degrade system performance, >>it is a miserable, finicky, little creature. That's a shame, since the >>Thinkpads are SUCH lovely machines and are always elegant and always ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 29 17:14:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06356 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:14:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01968; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01708; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01663; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:27 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05603; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37F27F8B.6ACCBB29@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:07:23 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? References: <4.1.19990929135822.0313c400@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nor does it list for the 770 or 570! Essentially, they don't seem to cover current ThinkPads. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Sep 29 17:51:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06787 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:51:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05082; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04922; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04897; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:49:07 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA23584; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:45:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909292145.QAA23584@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-18.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.18) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023453; Wed Sep 29 16:44:49 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Mark Bell" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990929170920.00fcbde0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect List-Unsubscribe: Ok, yes, it does consume system resources. So do the externals around here. How does the 770 avoid this problem? Exchange client via RAS brings the system to its knees, does the same to NT with an external, too. On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:20 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >In terms of sputtering, I meant consumes >system resources, not the actual connect >variance. Then, with the 770 series, we >achieved minimal to zero system degredation, >but alas all was not well! We also achieved >terrible connects. :( From cph Wed Sep 29 18:11:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07003 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:11:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06590; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:05:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06464; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06451; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.47 -> mail6.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:05:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 11167 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from pppb40-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.91.99) by mail6.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 22:05:41 -0000 Message-ID: <37F28D3E.EB0B59EB@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:05:50 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Three months ago I bought trackpoint caps and I got all the billing by email, from the address given below. Try to contact them directly for your parts and, BTW, ask them to include the missing models in the scrolling menu. <> = ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 29 18:14:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07024 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:14:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07324; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:12:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07102; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07077; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09068; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:12:15 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002501bf0ac7$ae3a76e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.1.19990929133822.031673c0@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:12:11 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Anyone know of any new URL location? It would be immensely helpful as I'm > trying to get new port cover doors for my TP 600 (those little rubber > hinges aren't much good, it seems). And I'll be damned if I know how to > even mount them, since they seem to be glued/bonded/molded into the bottom > of the casing. I take it then that (as I'd predicted) Easy-Serve would not fix them? Pity. - David R. From cph Wed Sep 29 18:17:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07046 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:17:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07791; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07581; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07554; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com (205.216.92.5 -> sh1.ro.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:16:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.01) with SMTP id RAA17139 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:16:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:16:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski Reply-To: Jeff Jackowski To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? In-Reply-To: <37F27F8B.6ACCBB29@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Nor does it list for the 770 or 570! Essentially, they don't seem to > cover current ThinkPads. Not only current ones, but some discontinued ones are missing, too. My 765D isn't exactly a new model, and it's not listed. If I'm not mistaken, pre-ThinkPad portables are listed. But if you want that modem saver . . . Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Wed Sep 29 18:56:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07567 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:56:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10512; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10363; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10342; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (199.2.210.241 -> agora.rdrop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:54:01 -0400 Received: from fenktp (ppp-dc.rdrop.com [199.2.212.45]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15926 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenk@agora.rdrop.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990929140510.009802a0@agora.rdrop.com> X-Sender: fenk@agora.rdrop.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:15:13 -0700 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Fenk Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-Reply-To: <002801bf0a2f$9153eb80$2ca8b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:03 PM 9/28/99, you wrote: >John, > > Does opening the serial port (COMx) in Hyperterminal produce the same >error? Or typing AT. If so, the modem log would be short. > > Or does it give this error trying to sync/connect with the other modem? >In which case the error log would be umm, longer. > > I think others are saying the 770 has a substandard V90 modem and you'll >get much better Internet with a PCMCIA. Save your breath convincing IBM >they have a bug, they already know. You'd have to be more than a little >persistent to get IBM to fix this junk. Or patient, and even then, a PCMCIA >is faster. > > The best advice I can give you is to ask IBM for a PCMCIA modem. Tell them >you want a 3com. > >Aaron Brown. Well I just tried hyperterminal when the modem is working fine and I can't get any response from the modem. Any hints as to the settings to use? Also you mention a modem log. Do you know how I produce one? That sounds like it would be useful. I don't want a PCMCIA modem for reasons other than just money. I use two other PCMCIA cards and using a PCMCIA modem would force me to do a lot of card swapping. Plus it would be one more thing to fill up the laptop bag when I travel. It may be fruitless, but I am going to continue trying to get IBM to fix this. As to the internal modem being substandard, it may be for V90 connections, but my ISP is 33.6 and the thinkpad modem consistently connects at a higher speed than my USR sportster 33.6. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Wed Sep 29 19:19:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07727 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:19:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11924; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:18:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11821; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11808; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:18:45 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-206.usc.edu [128.125.224.206]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA09694; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990929160608.031502e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:11:33 -0700 To: "David Ross" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? In-Reply-To: <002501bf0ac7$ae3a76e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.1.19990929133822.031673c0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:12 PM 09/29/1999 -1000, you wrote: >> trying to get new port cover doors for my TP 600 (those little rubber >> hinges aren't much good, it seems). And I'll be damned if I know how to >> even mount them, since they seem to be glued/bonded/molded into the bottom >> of the casing. > >I take it then that (as I'd predicted) Easy-Serve would not fix them? Pity. > >- David R. No, that's not it really. I didn't even try sending it in to them--I don't *want* to have my computer gone for 3 days for something as piddly as a couple of doors covering ports. EZServe did indeed say it *was* covered under warranty (on the presumption that I didn't tear them off myself--"user abuse" as they say), and I asked if I could just carry-in to a local warranty service provider. I checked some of those out and one wanted me to make two trips--once to bring it in for their inspection to verify that its *not* caused by "user abuse" and then a second time after they have a chance to order and receive the parts needed. That's too much bureaucratic pain, as I wanted them to just order the parts in advance for me to bring it in and glue them on (or whatever they do). Sooo...back to EZServe. I took some cajoling at first, but I spoke with one person after doing my homework concerning the part number and asked them to, under warranty, just send these silly little plastic doo-dads to me so I could bring them in to the warranty service provider provider myself, thus saving me one of the two trips that would otherwise have been required. Sheesh, the back-bending ya gotta do around here...! - Randy From cph Wed Sep 29 20:45:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08345 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:45:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16184; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15893; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15798; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:40:53 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-92.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.92]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA24890 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990929204014.00fc8200@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:40:14 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-Reply-To: <199909292145.QAA23584@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990929170920.00fcbde0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:45 PM 09/29/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >Ok, yes, it does consume system resources. >So do the externals around here. How does >the 770 avoid this problem? Exchange client >via RAS brings the system to its knees, does >the same to NT with an external, too. > >On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:20 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > >>In terms of sputtering, I meant consumes >>system resources, not the actual connect >>variance. Then, with the 770 series, we >>achieved minimal to zero system degredation, >>but alas all was not well! We also achieved >>terrible connects. :( I remember scaling BACK my modem connect speed >from 33.6 to 28.8k so I could at least have some sound and decent performance on of 755cx and 760c. On my 770 machines, this is a non issue. Whether I connect at 110bps (heh), or 44k (Highest I've ever gotten when the stars were in alignment one night...), my sound nor my application performance was affected. As for NT, RAS works pretty much perfect with us with a dial up pool of 33.6k externals at work we dial into to access the LAN and/or use the Internet. We do not use exchange, but Eudora, as exchange client and server solutions are boggy, nasty and prone to attacks. Eudora has been clean, sweet and clear for us. Maybe I'm just magical? >;P ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 29 22:31:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08869 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21443; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:30:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21321; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21302; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:30:00 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.38.206]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24259; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ce01bf0aeb$d91c8320$ce268ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <19990929104045.34331.qmail@hotmail.com> <4383.990929@falkor.chi.il.us> Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:58 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: In all fairness to IBM, my TP600 actually connects faster than the USR XJ1156 and other PCMCIA modem when I connect at home or other place without a PBX box. However when I connect through the PBX box, the PCMCIA modem does connect a bit faster at full 28.8 instead of the internal modem at 26.6. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald W. Heiby To: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 7:12 AM Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > RB> When I connect to the Net using my 600E, it connects at 26000. My normal > RB> desktop connects at 28800 using the same line. > > Typical. > > RB> Why is the 600E consistently slower? > > Probably because in my experience IBM doesn't know how to or doesn't > care to put a decent built-in modem into the ThinkPad line. > > RB> Can it be made to take advantage of higher speeds? > > Certainly, if by "it" you mean your 600E. Just plug a PCMCIA modem > into the machine and connect *that* to your phone line. I did that > years ago with my 750C, then 755CE, and now 770ED and have eliminated > a whole raft of problems. > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN/IePm8pw+2/9pUJEQIm7gCgrfVbW81RgV9QPp/8qiF1SZ/8W+4AoMYY > V2ABqGYir8Q8E+VSdUZA+YT3 > =64TB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From cph Wed Sep 29 22:41:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08912 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:41:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22152; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22064; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22050; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:13 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA29504 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:40:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909300240.VAA29504@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-18.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.18) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029354; Wed Sep 29 21:39:17 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990929204014.00fc8200@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:40:14 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >At 05:45 PM 09/29/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >>Ok, yes, it does consume system resources. >>So do the externals around here. How does >>the 770 avoid this problem? Exchange client >>via RAS brings the system to its knees, does >>the same to NT with an external, too. >> >>On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:20 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >> >>>In terms of sputtering, I meant consumes >>>system resources, not the actual connect >>>variance. Then, with the 770 series, we >>>achieved minimal to zero system degredation, >>>but alas all was not well! We also achieved >>>terrible connects. :( Still curious about how non-degradation of the system works? > >I remember scaling BACK my modem connect speed >from 33.6 to 28.8k so I could at least have some >sound and decent performance on of 755cx and 760c. Yes, the sound issue can be a problem. > >On my 770 machines, this is a non issue. Whether I >connect at 110bps (heh), or 44k (Highest I've >ever gotten when the stars were in alignment one >night...), my sound nor my application performance >was affected. I have used the Mwave + a 3COM Global pc card modem simultaneously with two lines to link to Netcom at almost double the 44K, heh. Too bad the new owners (Mindspring) discontinued dual analog connects. > >As for NT, RAS works pretty much perfect with us with >a dial up pool of 33.6k externals at work we dial >into to access the LAN and/or use the Internet. We >do not use exchange, but Eudora, as exchange client >and server solutions are boggy, nasty and prone to >attacks. Eudora has been clean, sweet and clear for >us. Works perfectly for me, too, except for system degradation >from the modem coupled with the hideous resource hogging of Exchange client. >Maybe I'm just magical? >;P > Could be! I hope your good magic continues for you. Regards, Allan Ballard > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 30 00:12:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09383 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:12:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26548; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:10:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26355; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26273; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:09:57 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A181560600EC; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:05:21 -0400 Message-ID: <009301bf0afa$00dabc20$78511104@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: My opinions on the 760ED... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:12:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01BF0AD8.79107A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BF0AD8.79107A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I purchassed a factory refurbished Thinkpad 760ED a couple weeks = ago and thought I'd let you guys know what I think about it. First = impressions were that the XGA TFT screen were very crisp and responsive. = The 133Mhz, now slow by normal standards, zipped through RedHat 6.01 and = Win95 installation. No problems so far.=20 Once I got into reading up on linux, it seems that MWAVE modems/sound = cards are in no way supported. That really bummed me out. Seems it's a = winmodem/winsndcard. I reminise using my modem & sound card easily in = linux & pure dos with the old 701C. Seems that cutting costs also cut = corners.=20 On top of that I was horrified to find *nothing* to configure in the = BIOS! All configuration is done in Win9X. I felt suckered in, that I was = being forced(in essense, I was!) to use MS's software. This still to = this moment torques me. Just the fact that I have to have a MS product = installed to even friggin' operate and configure my system burns me. I'm = so very used to popping into BIOS on the 701c with a quick FN-F1. Plus = half the FN keys are based on windows software.(the battery guage, power = conservation). I'm going to continue to harp on this point. VERY VERY = uncool IBM. I mean, you let all that room in the BIOS for the dang = personalization screens but you can't put in configuration?!?!?1 I'd = take a normal BIOS over any security feature(s)! My high expectations of = IBM being above the rest in their uniqueness and compatibility was = quickly shot down after seeing this. I can only hope & pray that this is = an isolated model...( ? )=20 Moving on to installation, Win95 has and is continuing to buck me = with drivers. I can't complain about driver installation however because = it was purchassed w/out a recovery CD. Seems my NIC isn't working = properly and I can't even tell for sure if it's the NIC or PCMCIA = services. Another problem I'm having is DOS video games. Such games as = ShadowWarrior or DukeNukem lock the system hard when loading the screen. = Even if set to low resolution. It'll load sound & graphics, but when it = tries to display them, the screen goes blank and I get a locked laptop. By now you may be thinking I'm ready to toss this system in the = trash. Well I can't say all bad about it! One very nice point is the = 12.1" screen with high-resolutions. Linux quickly detected the video = chipset, resolution as well as color-depth. KDE and GNOME look very = sweet on this screen-just wish everyone would consider linux at least = once. Next main point is the keyboard. I love the tilt feature as well = as being able to nab components from under the KB(as with many other = TP's). The ultra-bay appears to be very versitile. Battery life is = better than expected for a used LiON. Simply playing mp3's, I can get = around 1.5hrs. MP3 playing is highly CPU-intensive so I consider this = pretty good. Weight of this system is obviously more than I'm used to = >from having a 701, but it's a good solid weight, if that makes any = sense. I'd rather have something that'll stay seated on my lap than a = lightweight tiny thing that'd easily topple off. My first attempt to try = out the modem failed with errors from the modem, so I can't speak of = that yet. Also I don't have the video in/out cables so I can't comment = on that either. Welp, those are my major mopes & groans. Hope no-one takes offense to my = opinionistic messages! Thanks, and if you can offer any comments/suggestions for the above, = please do! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BF0AD8.79107A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
     I purchassed a = factory=20 refurbished Thinkpad 760ED a couple weeks ago and thought I'd let you = guys know=20 what I think about it. First impressions were that the XGA TFT screen = were very=20 crisp and responsive. The 133Mhz, now slow by normal standards, zipped = through=20 RedHat 6.01 and Win95 installation. No problems so far.
 
Once I got into reading up on linux, it = seems that=20 MWAVE modems/sound cards are in no way supported. That really bummed me = out.=20 Seems it's a winmodem/winsndcard. I reminise using my modem & sound = card=20 easily in linux & pure dos with the old 701C. Seems that cutting = costs also=20 cut corners.
 
    On top of that I was = horrified=20 to find *nothing* to configure in the BIOS! All configuration is done in = Win9X.=20 I felt suckered in, that I was being forced(in essense, I was!) to use = MS's=20 software. This still to this moment torques me. Just the fact that I = have to=20 have a MS product installed to even friggin' operate and configure my = system=20 burns me. I'm so very used to popping into BIOS on the 701c with a quick = FN-F1.=20 Plus half the FN keys are based on windows software.(the battery guage, = power=20 conservation). I'm going to continue to harp on this point. VERY VERY = uncool=20 IBM. I mean, you let all that room in the BIOS for the dang = personalization=20 screens but you can't put in configuration?!?!?1 I'd take a normal BIOS = over any=20 security feature(s)! My high expectations of IBM being above the rest in = their=20 uniqueness and compatibility was quickly shot down after seeing = this. I can=20 only hope & pray that this is an isolated model...(   = ?   )
 
    Moving on to = installation, Win95=20 has and is continuing to buck me with drivers. I can't complain about = driver=20 installation however because it was purchassed w/out a recovery CD. = Seems my NIC=20 isn't working properly and I can't even tell for sure if it's the NIC or = PCMCIA=20 services. Another problem I'm having is DOS video games. Such games as=20 ShadowWarrior or DukeNukem lock the system hard when loading the screen. = Even if=20 set to low resolution. It'll load sound & graphics, but when it = tries to=20 display them, the screen goes blank and I get a locked = laptop.
 
    By now you may be = thinking I'm=20 ready to toss this system in the trash. Well I can't say all bad about = it! One=20 very nice point is the 12.1" screen with high-resolutions. Linux quickly = detected the video chipset, resolution as well as color-depth. KDE and = GNOME=20 look very sweet on this screen-just wish everyone would consider linux = at least=20 once. Next main point is the keyboard. I love the tilt feature as well = as being=20 able to nab components from under the KB(as with many other TP's). The = ultra-bay=20 appears to be very versitile. Battery life is better than expected = for a=20 used LiON. Simply playing mp3's, I can get around 1.5hrs. MP3 playing is = highly=20 CPU-intensive so I consider this pretty good. Weight of this system is = obviously=20 more than I'm used to from having a 701, but it's a good solid weight, = if that=20 makes any sense. I'd rather have something that'll stay seated on my lap = than a=20 lightweight tiny thing that'd easily topple off. My first attempt to try = out the=20 modem failed with errors from the modem, so I can't speak of that yet. = Also I=20 don't have the video in/out cables so I can't comment on that=20 either.
 
Welp, those are my major mopes & = groans.=20 Hope no-one takes offense to my opinionistic messages!
 
Thanks, and if you can offer any=20 comments/suggestions for the above, please do!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BF0AD8.79107A80-- From cph Thu Sep 30 00:17:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09410 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:17:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27181; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:14:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26773; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26718; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:14:02 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A281561D00EC; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01bf0afa$9972c2c0$78511104@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Looking for price quote on 760ED parts. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:16:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01BF0AD9.11D33AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BF0AD9.11D33AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, Forgot to mention this in my last message. I'd like to get a good = idea of what the following is going to cost:=20 -1.44mb internal FDD bezel(I have the ultra-bay floppy, but no bezel to = go around it) -video features cable with in/out. -possibly an external battery charger and/or a second LiON/NiMH battery I hadn't planned on buying the battery right now, but if you have any of = the above for sale, do contact me! Also, what reccomendations can you make for a carrying case? I'v found a = cheap source for the Port NotePac & NotePac Plus cases. Any pro's/con's? Thanks! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BF0AD9.11D33AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there,
    Forgot to mention = this in my=20 last message. I'd like to get a good idea of what the following is going = to=20 cost:
 
-1.44mb internal FDD bezel(I have the = ultra-bay=20 floppy, but no bezel to go around it)
-video features cable with = in/out.
-possibly an external battery = charger and/or a=20 second LiON/NiMH battery
 
I hadn't planned on buying the battery = right now,=20 but if you have any of the above for sale, do contact me!
 
Also, what reccomendations can you make = for a=20 carrying case? I'v found a cheap source for the Port NotePac & = NotePac Plus=20 cases. Any pro's/con's?
 
 
Thanks!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BF0AD9.11D33AA0-- From cph Thu Sep 30 00:26:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09442 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:25:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28276; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28086; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28073; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:23:59 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.29]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990930042356.DEE20427@compaq>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:23:56 +0000 Message-ID: <37F204D4.2AD3@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:23:48 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: My opinions on the 760ED... References: <009301bf0afa$00dabc20$78511104@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actually, you need to load the thinkpad DOS utilities. The PS2 commands allow you to change all "bios" type settings from the DOS prompt. You probably can even do this from a boot disk, if you want to use an unsupported OS. Are you using Win95OSR2? There is a PCMCIA issue, and you need to download the newer drivers and update the ports. What you need to see in device manager is "PCIC controller on IBM system." Then, it will work. Win95 A should not be any problem. Don't know why Duke is locking up, I run it all the time on a 760ED, never a problem. Probably because you don't have the MWAVE set up properly, you are getting an IRQ conflict. Make sure the DSP is set to IRQ 10, the SoundBlaster to IRQ 5. BTW, the function keys DO work in DOS!!! You gotta load the ThinkPad utils. I can not help you wtih Linux, but on all the other stuff you are way off base. And there is no recovery disk for the 760ED, it does not boot >from the CD-ROM/. Slip wrote: > > Hi there, > I purchassed a factory refurbished Thinkpad 760ED a couple weeks > ago and thought I'd let you guys know what I think about it. First > impressions were that the XGA TFT screen were very crisp and > responsive. The 133Mhz, now slow by normal standards, zipped through > RedHat 6.01 and Win95 installation. No problems so far. > > Once I got into reading up on linux, it seems that MWAVE modems/sound > cards are in no way supported. That really bummed me out. Seems it's a > winmodem/winsndcard. I reminise using my modem & sound card easily in > linux & pure dos with the old 701C. Seems that cutting costs also cut > corners. > > On top of that I was horrified to find *nothing* to configure in > the BIOS! All configuration is done in Win9X. I felt suckered in, that > I was being forced(in essense, I was!) to use MS's software. This > still to this moment torques me. Just the fact that I have to have a > MS product installed to even friggin' operate and configure my system > burns me. I'm so very used to popping into BIOS on the 701c with a > quick FN-F1. Plus half the FN keys are based on windows software.(the > battery guage, power conservation). I'm going to continue to harp on > this point. VERY VERY uncool IBM. I mean, you let all that room in the > BIOS for the dang personalization screens but you can't put in > configuration?!?!?1 I'd take a normal BIOS over any security > feature(s)! My high expectations of IBM being above the rest in their > uniqueness and compatibility was quickly shot down after seeing this. > I can only hope & pray that this is an isolated model...( ? ) > > Moving on to installation, Win95 has and is continuing to buck me > with drivers. I can't complain about driver installation however > because it was purchassed w/out a recovery CD. Seems my NIC isn't > working properly and I can't even tell for sure if it's the NIC or > PCMCIA services. Another problem I'm having is DOS video games. Such > games as ShadowWarrior or DukeNukem lock the system hard when loading > the screen. Even if set to low resolution. It'll load sound & > graphics, but when it tries to display them, the screen goes blank and > I get a locked laptop. > > By now you may be thinking I'm ready to toss this system in the > trash. Well I can't say all bad about it! One very nice point is the > 12.1" screen with high-resolutions. Linux quickly detected the video > chipset, resolution as well as color-depth. KDE and GNOME look very > sweet on this screen-just wish everyone would consider linux at least > once. Next main point is the keyboard. I love the tilt feature as well > as being able to nab components from under the KB(as with many other > TP's). The ultra-bay appears to be very versitile. Battery life is > better than expected for a used LiON. Simply playing mp3's, I can get > around 1.5hrs. MP3 playing is highly CPU-intensive so I consider this > pretty good. Weight of this system is obviously more than I'm used to > from having a 701, but it's a good solid weight, if that makes any > sense. I'd rather have something that'll stay seated on my lap than a > lightweight tiny thing that'd easily topple off. My first attempt to > try out the modem failed with errors from the modem, so I can't speak > of that yet. Also I don't have the video in/out cables so I can't > comment on that either. > > Welp, those are my major mopes & groans. Hope no-one takes offense to > my opinionistic messages! > > Thanks, and if you can offer any comments/suggestions for the above, > please do! > -Jamie From cph Thu Sep 30 00:28:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09484 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:28:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28671; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:26:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28432; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28362; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:26:25 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.29]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990930042621.EGA20427@compaq>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:26:21 +0000 Message-ID: <37F20565.A18@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:26:14 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for price quote on 760ED parts. References: <009c01bf0afa$9972c2c0$78511104@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can find all that stuff for sale on ebay. Check to see if the unit is still under factory warranty (it may well be). If so, just call IBM and tell them the bezel broke,. They'll send you another one! Slip wrote: > > Hey there, > Forgot to mention this in my last message. I'd like to get a good > idea of what the following is going to cost: > > -1.44mb internal FDD bezel(I have the ultra-bay floppy, but no bezel > to go around it) > -video features cable with in/out. > -possibly an external battery charger and/or a second LiON/NiMH > battery > > I hadn't planned on buying the battery right now, but if you have any > of the above for sale, do contact me! > > Also, what reccomendations can you make for a carrying case? I'v found > a cheap source for the Port NotePac & NotePac Plus cases. Any > pro's/con's? > > > Thanks! > -Jamie From cph Thu Sep 30 03:48:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA10207 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:48:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12986; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12588; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12574; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.75 -> law2-f75.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:43:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 23970 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 07:43:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990930074333.23969.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.159.100.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:43:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [171.159.100.10] From: "Geoff Waters" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:43:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I saw this slow connect speed, too, with my wife's new 600e (300mhz PII). We did a test. Using the same phone line and the same phone outlet, I connected to my ISP (Hong Kong Supernet) with my desktop PC (P200MMX with USR v.90 internal) at 50666 bps and downloaded one megabyte from the Netscape Smart Download site. Speed was about 3.6 to 3.7 kbps. Dieconnected and immediately logged back in with the TP600e and did the same download. TP600e connected at 45333 bps and was bringing the file down at 4.4 to 4.5 bps. Repeated it once each and got the same rates. Less IS more! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Sep 30 08:32:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA11052 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:32:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02748; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:28:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02511; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02455; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:27:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA11727; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:27:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909301227.HAA11727@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-18.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.18) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011716; Thu Sep 30 07:26:54 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Geoff Waters" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19990930074333.23969.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect List-Unsubscribe: NIce test. Wouldn't it be more reliable, though, to do the test against a file on a BBS, given the vagaries of carrier speeds on the web? Were the machines using the same protocals? Allan Ballrd On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:43:32 PDT, Geoff Waters wrote: >I saw this slow connect speed, too, with my wife's new 600e (300mhz PII). We >did a test. Using the same phone line and the same phone outlet, I connected >to my ISP (Hong Kong Supernet) with my desktop PC (P200MMX with USR v.90 >internal) at 50666 bps and downloaded one megabyte from the Netscape Smart >Download site. Speed was about 3.6 to 3.7 kbps. Dieconnected and immediately >logged back in with the TP600e and did the same download. TP600e connected >at 45333 bps and was bringing the file down at 4.4 to 4.5 bps. Repeated it >once each and got the same rates. > >Less IS more! > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Sep 30 08:34:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA11060 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:34:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03113; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:30:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02814; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02792; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:29:56 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02310; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:29:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: , , Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:29:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Here is the relevant information for Germany: Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in english) Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 ml) etc. Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy shops BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses "Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:21 PM > To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; ross@math.hawaii.edu > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > Valentino: > > Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to > it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. > Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? > > I'll try to rewrite, for the list, the advice given in private > email and would like to mention the European info. > > All countries have been replacing the traditional rubbing > alcohol (ethanol) so people wouldn't get drunk with an over > the counter item. In the USA it was replaced by isopropyl. > What's its replacement in the UK? Notice that not every > rubbing alcohol other than isopropyl might affect the plastic > screens with signs of "user damage," while isopropyl can not > since it is "IBM proven." > > JC > > Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > > Thanks to all who responded, especially Juan-Carlos Lerman who also > > explained very well the pros and contras. > > > > I will now look around for isopropyl alcohol here in germany! > > > > Greetings Valentino > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 7:21 PM > > > To: Valentino Kyriakides > > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > > > > > > > It might be OK but it might be very bad also. > > > If it has ammonia it might, in the long term, make the screen > > > yellow. Then, some of those eye-glasses cleaners have some > > > silicone oil to leave an anti-fogging layer on the surface of > > > the glass, this might also affect the screen surface which is > > > some kind of plastic. > > > > > > To clean photographic lenses made of glass, I use a Kodak > > > leans cleaner which I don't dare to use on the computer LCD > > > screen because it has some detergent type of chemical and > > > perhaps some antistatic compound which I don't know how they > > > will react on the screen. > > > > > > Considering the price of the screens, I use what IBM recommends, > > > not only for technical and economical reasons but because if the > > > screen fails under warranty I don't want to argue with IBM about > > > "user caused damage"... > > > > > > When sweeping the screen with the wet tissue, the pressure > > > should be very light, as to collect all the dust particles, > > > without rubbing them on the screen. > > > > > > JC > > > > > > Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > > > > > > Is this similar to the better eyeglasses cleaner, somebody told > > > me that good > > > > wet tissue eyeglasses cleaner would be perfectly usable for TFTs? > > > > > > > > Valentino Kyriakides > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 3:51 PM > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using an "all purpose" lens cleaner, which has > > > worked well. > > > > > This is sold by a place that makes and sells glasses. It > > > contains some > > > > > isopropyl alcohol, which is great at cutting though > fingerprints and > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > STeve Andre' > > > > > andres@msu.edu > > > > > ... > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 30 09:29:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11316 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:29:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06368; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:28:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06250; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06225; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.38 -> finch-post-10.mail.demon.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:27:30 -0400 Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WgF2-0002y4-0A for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:27:25 +0000 Message-ID: <7UQ5SGADU283EwiY@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:26:27 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg & Ruth Terrell Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? References: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U List-Unsubscribe: In the UK I have also known it called "Proponol". The last I bought was >from a chemist with a specialist photographic section - it was in that section. However, that was several years ago and that chemist is no longer in business! In message , Valentino Kyriakides writes >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in >english) >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 >ml) etc. >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy >shops > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:21 PM >> To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; ross@math.hawaii.edu >> Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? >> >> >> Valentino: >> >> Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to >> it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. >> Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? >> snip -- Greg From cph Thu Sep 30 10:15:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA11598 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:15:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09245; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08873; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08858; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:43 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-44.ismi.net [205.216.96.149]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA09769; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005e01bf0b56$653183a0$9560d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Slip" , Subject: Re: Looking for price quote on 760ED parts. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:13:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF0B2C.7B814840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF0B2C.7B814840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jamie, First, regarding the FDD bezel... My recommendation is to invest in the external floppy drive case kit = and keep the floppy externalized, and plug in only when needed...therefore, you don't = need the bezel. I've got some floppy case kits and would be glad to provide you one. =20 I also have some brand new-in-box Li-Ion Batteries (IBM) for $100. = You can compare=20 with new pricing via shopper.com or pricewatch which is ~$230+ =20 Is your ED an XGA (1024x768) display? that would be a model U9A, I = believe...very nice. =20 FWIW, I use the PORT case and have been well pleased. =20 =20 Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Slip To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:17 PM Subject: Looking for price quote on 760ED parts. =20 =20 Hey there, Forgot to mention this in my last message. I'd like to get a = good idea of what the following is going to cost:=20 =20 -1.44mb internal FDD bezel(I have the ultra-bay floppy, but no bezel = to go around it) -video features cable with in/out. -possibly an external battery charger and/or a second LiON/NiMH = battery =20 I hadn't planned on buying the battery right now, but if you have = any of the above for sale, do contact me! =20 Also, what reccomendations can you make for a carrying case? I'v = found a cheap source for the Port NotePac & NotePac Plus cases. Any = pro's/con's? =20 =20 Thanks! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF0B2C.7B814840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jamie,
First, = regarding the FDD=20 bezel...
My recommendation is to invest in the external = floppy=20 drive case kit and keep the floppy
externalized, and plug in only when = needed...therefore,=20 you don't need the bezel.
I've got some floppy case kits and would be glad = to=20 provide you one.
 
I also have some brand new-in-box Li-Ion = Batteries (IBM)=20 for $100.  You can compare
with new pricing via shopper.com or pricewatch = which is=20 ~$230+
 
Is your ED an XGA (1024x768) display?  that = would be=20 a model U9A, I believe...very nice.
 
FWIW, I use the PORT case and have been well=20 pleased. 
 
Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall, = Michigan
810.229.2881
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Slip <jlk@innernet.net>
To: = thinkpad@cs.utk.edu <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:17 PM
Subject: = Looking for=20 price quote on 760ED parts.

Hey there,
    Forgot to = mention this in my=20 last message. I'd like to get a good idea of what the following is = going to=20 cost:
 
-1.44mb internal FDD bezel(I have = the ultra-bay=20 floppy, but no bezel to go around it)
-video features cable with = in/out.
-possibly an external battery = charger=20 and/or a second LiON/NiMH battery
 
I hadn't planned on buying the = battery right=20 now, but if you have any of the above for sale, do contact = me!
 
Also, what reccomendations can you = make for a=20 carrying case? I'v found a cheap source for the Port NotePac & = NotePac=20 Plus cases. Any pro's/con's?
 
 
Thanks!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BF0B2C.7B814840-- From cph Thu Sep 30 10:20:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA11622 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:20:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09800; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09552; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09525; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:09 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA27300; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:17:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909301417.JAA27300@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-18.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.18) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027286; Thu Sep 30 09:17:01 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Denis Hall" , "Slip" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <005e01bf0b56$653183a0$9560d8cd@denhall> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Looking for price quote on 760ED parts. List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:13:46 -0500, Denis Hall wrote: > FWIW, I use the PORT case and have been well pleased. I use a PORT backpack sometimes, and it is great. No one would think a laptop is inside, and it is an easy way to carry the machine. Allan From cph Thu Sep 30 11:12:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11987 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:12:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13330; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13144; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13112; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from andres (pm454-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.232]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA61908 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990930110200.00ab1bf0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:02:00 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? In-Reply-To: References: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, I'm glad you found it. I'm amazed at the price however; here in Michigan I can get 500ml of 70% iso. for less than DM 2. Then again, beer there is cheap, and real beer here can be simply unavailable... STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 02:29 AM 9/30/1999 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in >english) >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 >ml) etc. >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy >shops > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. From cph Thu Sep 30 11:14:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11997 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:14:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13721; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:11:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13381; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13300; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:10:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-337.gate.net [199.227.131.146]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA110058; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <37F37C47.5F787CD7@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:05:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg & Ruth Terrell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? References: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> <7UQ5SGADU283EwiY@moab.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I use about 20% denatured alcohol, 10% Joy dish soap, and the rest H2O (water). also note, IBM has a blurb in their knowledge base or someplace that tells how to clean the TFT display.. Greg & Ruth Terrell wrote: > In the UK I have also known it called "Proponol". The last I bought was > from a chemist with a specialist photographic section - it was in that > section. However, that was several years ago and that chemist is no > longer in business! > > In message , Valentino > Kyriakides writes > >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > > > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in > >english) > >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. > >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 > >ml) etc. > >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") > >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy > >shops > > > > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. > >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses > >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:21 PM > >> To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; ross@math.hawaii.edu > >> Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > >> > >> > >> Valentino: > >> > >> Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to > >> it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. > >> Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? > >> > > snip > -- > Greg -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 30 11:35:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12129 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:35:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15576; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15241; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15227; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (128.192.1.101 -> mailgw.cc.uga.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:27 -0400 Received: from archa8.cc.uga.edu (arch8.cc.uga.edu) by mailgw.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.012AEE7A@mailgw.cc.uga.edu>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:27:24 -0400 Received: from archa13.cc.uga.edu (arch13.cc.uga.edu [128.192.95.113]) by archa8.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28310 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:26:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (wwgraves@localhost) by archa13.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA132698 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:26:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: archa13.cc.uga.edu: wwgraves owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:26:13 -0400 (EDT) From: William Graves X-Sender: wwgraves@archa13.cc.uga.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 battery question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Looking for some advice... I have had my 770ED for about 9 months and it has preformed flawlessly. I had been getting 3 to 3.5 hours of battery life from it in 'normal' use (some surfing, some word processing). Recently battery life has dropped to around 2 to 2.5 hours and when the LCD meeter reaches 50% (approximatly) I have about 5 minutes before I get the low power warning (and the meeter drops to 5%). Is this a normal sign of a dying battery or am I overlooking something? Is this a replaceable defect in yall's opinion? Thanks for any advice. Bill From cph Thu Sep 30 11:48:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12268 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:48:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17661; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17084; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16949; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 18451 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 15:44:07 -0000 Received: from pppa23-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.82) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 15:44:07 -0000 Message-ID: <37F3857D.9E4DBE6F@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:45:01 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? References: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> <7UQ5SGADU283EwiY@moab.demon.co.uk> <37F37C47.5F787CD7@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill: If you can show proof of having cleaned 1,000 screens without any deterioration and without EZ-Serve allegations of "user abuse", you'll be able to bottle your product and distribute it worldwide with a label reading: "IBM THINKPAD PROVEN"(tm). That is, if and only if your IBM(tm) friends grant you official "PROVEN" status. Disclaimer: the above shouldn't be construed as legal advice. It's being provided ASIS and only for your entertainment. Bill Morrow wrote: > > I use about 20% denatured alcohol, 10% Joy dish soap, and the rest H2O (water). > also note, IBM has a blurb in their knowledge base or someplace that tells how to > clean the TFT display.. Like in some of the "Fine TP Manuals"... > Greg & Ruth Terrell wrote: > > > In the UK I have also known it called "Proponol". The last I bought was > > from a chemist with a specialist photographic section - it was in that > > section. However, that was several years ago and that chemist is no > > longer in business! > > > > In message , Valentino > > Kyriakides writes > > >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > > > > > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in > > >english) > > >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. > > >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 > > >ml) etc. > > >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") > > >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > > > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy > > >shops > > > > > > > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. > > >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses > > >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:21 PM > > >> To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; ross@math.hawaii.edu > > >> Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > >> > > >> > > >> Valentino: > > >> > > >> Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to > > >> it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. > > >> Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? > > >> > > > > snip > > -- > > Greg > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just > don't care.. :-) ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 30 11:50:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12278 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:50:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17650; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17056; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16937; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:44:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-337.gate.net [199.227.131.146]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA162850; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37F38507.E2268043@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:43:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Graves CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 battery question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not that it will help, but try cycling it once.. then call IBM and get a replacement.. it sure sounds like one cell is going.. remember, these are chemical devices and have a life... William Graves wrote: > Looking for some advice... > > I have had my 770ED for about 9 months and it has preformed flawlessly. I > had been getting 3 to 3.5 hours of battery life from it in 'normal' use > (some surfing, some word processing). Recently battery life has dropped to > around 2 to 2.5 hours and when the LCD meeter reaches 50% (approximatly) I > have about 5 minutes before I get the low power warning (and the > meeter drops to 5%). > > Is this a normal sign of a dying battery or am I overlooking something? Is > this a replaceable defect in yall's opinion? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Bill -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Sep 30 12:01:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12358 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:01:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18716; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:55:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18543; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18530; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.144 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:54:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 315 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 15:54:51 -0000 Received: from pppa23-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.82) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 15:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <37F38802.3A28582B@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:55:46 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Graves , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 battery question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That's most probably the sign of an almost dead battery, as it was with mine. 1. Call the IBM well known number 1-800-772-2227. 2. Describe the problem. They may ask you (I don't know why) if the battery discharges to 0%. 3. They will agree that the most probable cause of the problem is the battery (it could also be the DC card in the computer). 4. They will send you, by air package, a new battery free of charge under warranty. 5. If the new battery behaves OK they will give you directions to send it back using a pre-paid carrier. Notes: They require a credid card number as "hostage" in case you'll forget to return the dead battery. The new battery might be of a newly improved type (it depends on how old is yours). William Graves wrote: > > Looking for some advice... > > I have had my 770ED for about 9 months and it has preformed flawlessly. I > had been getting 3 to 3.5 hours of battery life from it in 'normal' use > (some surfing, some word processing). Recently battery life has dropped to > around 2 to 2.5 hours and when the LCD meeter reaches 50% (approximatly) I > have about 5 minutes before I get the low power warning (and the > meeter drops to 5%). > > Is this a normal sign of a dying battery or am I overlooking something? Is > this a replaceable defect in yall's opinion? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Bill ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 30 12:50:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12650 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:50:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23178; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22979; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22958; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.145 -> mail5.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 1059 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 1999 16:47:24 -0000 Received: from pppa23-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.82) by mail5.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 16:47:24 -0000 Message-ID: <37F39452.7CFCA47@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:48:18 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwgraves@arches.uga.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: 770 battery question] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OOPS! One paragraph was incomplete. It should have been: 5. If the new battery behaves OK they will give you directions to send back the old one using a pre-paid carrier; otherwise they will tell you to send the TP for repair to EZ-Serve. = ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 30 13:10:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12790 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:10:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24515; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24298; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24281; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (149.159.1.1 -> cv-1-1.campusview.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08340 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990929095316.00aa9a40@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > If your 600 has a Lucent Winmodem, that will explain it. My i1451 has one, The 600E has an Mwave modem. -john From cph Thu Sep 30 13:12:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12807 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:12:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26069; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:10:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25639; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25273; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (129.176.100.75 -> mhro1.mayo.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:08:40 -0400 Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mhro1.mayo.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:33 -0500 Received: from feynman.mayo.edu (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by fermat.mayo.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA16394; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feynman (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by feynman.mayo.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20402; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "James P. Grenert" To: Randal Whittle cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Direct Parts (Boulder, CO) Still around? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990929133822.031673c0@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Mayo Medical School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi. Try calling 1-800-388-7080 I just ordered a replacement standby battery for my TP360 two days ago. Still free normal shipping as well. Cheers. J. P. Grenert grenert@mayo.edu From cph Thu Sep 30 14:14:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13338 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:14:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00346; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00184; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00145; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:12:44 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.164.85]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990930181243.EZDJ20513.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:12:43 -0500 Message-ID: <004201bf0b6a$70149820$55a4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: , "John Fenk" Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:37:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: John said: > >Well I just tried hyperterminal when the modem is working fine and I can't >get any response from the modem. Any hints as to the settings to use? Make sure in Hyperterminal you use: File --> Properties --> Direct to COMx where COMx is the port the modem is configured. Then: Configure --> Flow Control --> Hardware. Once these are set you may need to "blind type" AT&F or ATE0Q1 to turn "on" echo and modem responses. "Blind type" means typing without getting any feedback until you hit RETURN. You should get OK after hitting RETURN. > >Also you mention a modem log. Do you know how I produce one? That sounds >like it would be useful. Control Panel --> Modems --> Properties --> Connection --> Advanced -->Record a log file > >I don't want a PCMCIA modem for reasons other than just money. I use two >other PCMCIA cards and using a PCMCIA modem would force me to do a lot of >card swapping. Plus it would be one more thing to fill up the laptop bag >when I travel. It may be fruitless, but I am going to continue trying to >get IBM to fix this. As to the internal modem being substandard, it may be >for V90 connections, but my ISP is 33.6 and the thinkpad modem consistently >connects at a higher speed than my USR sportster 33.6. If one of the PC cards is ethernet, you could replace it with a combo modem/ethernet. I agree the 770 internal should work fine at 33.6. Have you considered reinstalling the OS from scratch to try to fix your problem? These types of problems can be caused by "power management" issues. Test to see if a suspend operation is the precursor to the modem trouble. Aaron Brown. From cph Thu Sep 30 14:48:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13629 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03287; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:45:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03124; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03099; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:45:17 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:31:17 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-173.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.173]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bf0b73$de964d80$d532fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-173.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.173] List-Unsubscribe: I have another test for you and the same problem and a few test's that I have run that might help you figure out if you are having a problem or not...(who know's someone here maybe able to help me with mine or know of a fix that I haven't heard about).. I have a USR 56k internal modem in this machine here (AMD K-6 300) and it WILL not run correctly on most servers unless I disable the V.90 protocols. (prodigy, cableone,MCI,Ran fine on CWIX but their out of business now) if I don't I connect well but it won't transfer well and stalls alot now if I disable the v.90 and run just X2 it runs fine and connects alittle slower but runs well. with v.90 connects at about 50666 to 54666 with just X2 about 45666 to 49666 I also have a lucent winmodem in the wifes computer (PII 266 IBM Aptiva) and it won't connect faster than 41000 on any service other than AOL.. of course it's v.90 as well but it based on 56k flex .both modems transfer about the same 3.5 to 4.5 kps both play quake on the same server's at the same time and run almost identical ping time's but the lucent has less of a packet loss.. 1 Vs 6 to 15 packet loss this really doesn't make sense and I have really good phone lines and I'm close to my telephone company and my ISP's dial-up.. now my 755cx mwave's best connect is 31500 usually about 26400 or 28000 and it runs well with quake, runs about the same as my other 2 maybe a little higher ping time might go up about 10 or so but it really drags the computer when I get into a really big level..figure's it's a P-75, but if I put my father inlaw's practial peripherals 33.6 pcmcia card in it won't even connect no matter what I do not even AOL will connect and I've tried everything put it back in his machine and it works fine (TP's must not like it or something) You might want to try this test again and you might want to disable the v.90 protocols you can get the commands at www.modemhelp.org if you need them. for some reason the V.90 is really screwy in some area's and it's more of a problem with USR's I've even contacted USR on it and they are aware of this problem and blame it on server code not being installed correctly, I think it's more like USR (3 com) having buggy software again.. (been there done that) very early v.90 code really sent a few modems into orbit. you might want to try this test on both machines using gamespy as I have found that using it. it can ping thousands of different sites and give you a general idea as to how well your modem is doing all over the place..again it also depends on network traffic at that time.. Just suggestion or two and my .02 cents worth.. let me know what you think and if you run the tests again let me know how you do Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: Geoff Waters ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: Re: 600E modem slow connect >NIce test. Wouldn't it be more reliable, though, >to do the test against a file on a BBS, given the >vagaries of carrier speeds on the web? Were >the machines using the same protocals? > > Allan Ballrd > >On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:43:32 PDT, Geoff Waters wrote: > >>I saw this slow connect speed, too, with my wife's new 600e (300mhz PII). We >>did a test. Using the same phone line and the same phone outlet, I connected >>to my ISP (Hong Kong Supernet) with my desktop PC (P200MMX with USR v.90 >>internal) at 50666 bps and downloaded one megabyte from the Netscape Smart >>Download site. Speed was about 3.6 to 3.7 kbps. Dieconnected and immediately >>logged back in with the TP600e and did the same download. TP600e connected >>at 45333 bps and was bringing the file down at 4.4 to 4.5 bps. Repeated it >>once each and got the same rates. >> >>Less IS more! >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From cph Thu Sep 30 15:06:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13792 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:06:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05209; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04949; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04936; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:09 -0400 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (bluejay.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.200]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23338 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <37F3BAC8.2AB5FC06@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:32:26 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad reply Subject: step-by-step system load order Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I purchased a used thinkpad 755cx. and also have a clean 1.2G HD to swap w/ the 340megger that it now has. Here's the question... The small HD has WFW3.11 installed and the system operates fine. Mwave modem and sound work as well as the serial and parallel ports, etc. I tried to install dos and win95 on the larger HD with mixed results. things didn't load, or were unrecognized...so I got smarter and visited IBM's site and registered the thinkpad and got shuttled over to the related software matrix. I have downloaded all the recovery disks and all the related apps for this particular model. What is the correct or most logical order to install the disks? Dos? thinkpad utils? winblows? powermanagement ? I have a dock-2 and a PCMCIA Cd-rom as well as an IDE Cd-rom to drop into the dock-2 (I also have access to a serial port "backpack" cd-rom unit) I have tried to load an OS but ended with alot of frustration because alot of parts seemed to be missing, power management, serial port was unresponsive as well as no modem support. I'd just like someone to help me with a step by step list of what parts to load so that the final config. will recognize the most basic thinkpad functions. Of course... the windows95/98 is on Cd-rom so either PCMCIA support needs to be addressed pretty early in the load or the IDE cd-rom needs to be attended to. How about some tips! thanks, Paul From cph Thu Sep 30 15:27:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14031 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:27:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07082; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06906; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06886; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:09 -0400 Received: from andres (pm560-46.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.198]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA39438 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:24:25 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: DVD and region code insanity In-Reply-To: <37F3BAC8.2AB5FC06@ssec.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially set it up? Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. Besides being bizarre, thats wrong unless the code somehow encrypts the data and mismashes into the executable or something (and even then, I'd bet that it could be circumvented). Any ideas? Comments? Any code that does this for other TPs would be appreciated, too. I dimly remember some comments on this a while back ago, which I stupidly didn't save because I didn't have a DVD playing machine around me... Thanks! --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu From cph Thu Sep 30 15:44:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14180 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08726; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:42:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08547; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08449; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:41:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA65255; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics > software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially > set it up? > > Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be > altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion > forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. Actually, Steven Fettig posted a site that had a patch that allows you to select the regions but is unsupported by Mediamatics or IBM. > Besides being bizarre, thats wrong unless the code somehow encrypts the > data and mismashes into the executable or something (and even then, I'd > bet that it could be circumvented). > > Any ideas? Comments? Any code that does this for other TPs would be > appreciated, too. I dimly remember some comments on this a while back > ago, which I stupidly didn't save because I didn't have a DVD playing > machine around me... > > Thanks! > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Thu Sep 30 15:57:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14295 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:57:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09948; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:55:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09781; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09767; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:55:43 -0400 Received: from andres (pm560-46.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.198]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21758 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:55:40 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990930155602.00ab7030@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:56:02 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thank you Vince, but do you know the url? I don't recognize Steven's name (sorry about that!) as a person who talks here. Understood that it isn't supported by IBM... --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 12:41 PM 9/30/1999 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > >> ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics >> software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially >> set it up? >> >> Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be >> altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion >> forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. > > Actually, Steven Fettig posted a site that had a patch that allows >you to select the regions but is unsupported by Mediamatics or IBM. From cph Thu Sep 30 16:24:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14542 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12107; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:21:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11831; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11808; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:20:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA65381; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990930155602.00ab7030@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: Hi Steve, It's Steven N. Fetig(sp?) who always posts on the list. Anyways, this is the URL and what Steven wrote: The TP comes with the software already installed (either SoftDVD or DVDExpress) - the only catch is that you can only use it with the Region X coding that came with the computer. (There is, however, a program available on the net that allows you to "turn off" the Region blocks and watch whatever Regional Coded movie you want. http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Thank you Vince, but do you know the url? I don't recognize Steven's > name (sorry about that!) as a person who talks here. > > Understood that it isn't supported by IBM... > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 12:41 PM 9/30/1999 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > >> ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics > >> software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially > >> set it up? > >> > >> Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be > >> altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion > >> forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. > > > > Actually, Steven Fettig posted a site that had a patch that allows > >you to select the regions but is unsupported by Mediamatics or IBM. > > From cph Thu Sep 30 17:05:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA14911 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15750; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:02:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15570; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15554; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:02:41 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:48:34 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-67.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.67]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bf0b87$0c744460$03d2fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , Subject: Re: step-by-step system load order Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:02:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-67.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.67] List-Unsubscribe: Paul here's what I did with my 755cx as I got mine the same way.. put an Os on it. mine was dos 6.22 then copy the contents of the windows CD to a directory on the harddrive. I used a zip drive copied all the cab files and the install files to a zip disk .then from there but you can use several other things make a directory WIN95 or WIN98 copy all the cab files to the harddrive then you can reboot without the zip or CD-ROM just change to the directory you copied the files to(mines named win98) and type setup and it will install windows on the system now you will need all those drivers you DL'ed from IBM but that's later when you get into WIN95 or win98 it will ask you if you want a typical or compact or laptop chose laptop and you should be good to go(one good thing about having the OS setup on the harddrive is that anytime the OS needs a file it will goto the harddrive and will not need the CD-ROM) I've got 2 harddrive and I've got win 95 on one and win98 on the other so I can use both OS's if I need to as I've found that my 755cx likes Win95 over Win98... goodluck with it and I hope this helps Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schnettler To: thinkpad reply Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: step-by-step system load order >I purchased a used thinkpad 755cx. and also have a clean 1.2G HD to swap >w/ the 340megger that it now has. Here's the question... >The small HD has WFW3.11 installed and the system operates fine. Mwave >modem and sound work as well as the serial and parallel ports, etc. >I tried to install dos and win95 on the larger HD with mixed results. >things didn't load, or were unrecognized...so I got smarter and visited >IBM's site and registered the thinkpad and got shuttled over to the >related software matrix. I have downloaded all the recovery disks and >all the related apps for this particular model. >What is the correct or most logical order to install the disks? >Dos? thinkpad utils? winblows? powermanagement ? >I have a dock-2 and a PCMCIA Cd-rom as well as an IDE Cd-rom to drop >into the dock-2 (I also have access to a serial port "backpack" cd-rom >unit) >I have tried to load an OS but ended with alot of frustration because >alot of parts seemed to be missing, power management, serial port was >unresponsive as well as no modem support. >I'd just like someone to help me with a step by step list of what parts >to load so that the final config. will recognize the most basic thinkpad >functions. >Of course... the windows95/98 is on Cd-rom so either PCMCIA support >needs to be addressed pretty early in the load or the IDE cd-rom needs >to be attended to. >How about some tips! >thanks, >Paul > > From cph Thu Sep 30 17:48:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15363 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:48:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19162; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18937; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18902; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:16 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A91C35B90100; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <013601bf0b8d$9c4dc560$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Flickering on 760ED display Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01BF0B6C.14A51580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BF0B6C.14A51580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While charging the battery on my 760ED, it has the habit of flickering. = Is this a normal occurance for thinkpads in general? Or should I talk to = IBM ezserve about this? It's very anoying when I'm trying to work on it = and it's constantly flickering(about once every 6 or so seconds = intermitantly) Thanks. -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BF0B6C.14A51580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While charging the battery on my 760ED, = it has the=20 habit of flickering. Is this a normal occurance for thinkpads in = general? Or=20 should I talk to IBM ezserve about this? It's very anoying when I'm = trying to=20 work on it and it's constantly flickering(about once every 6 or so = seconds=20 intermitantly)
 
Thanks.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BF0B6C.14A51580-- From cph Thu Sep 30 17:48:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15368 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:48:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19252; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:47:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19040; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18981; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:45 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07871 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: TP Floppy Slow Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01bf0b95$7dd66b20$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: On my TP600E with NT 4.0 SP4 I haven't used the floppy yet. But every time I run Windows Explorer or My Computer, I have to wait for the OS search on the A: drive to time out. What's the easiest way to temporarily disable looking for the floppy? Same question on my other TP600 PII 233 with Win98. Thanks in advance, Mark From cph Thu Sep 30 18:00:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15499 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:00:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20679; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:58:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20512; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20464; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (199.183.9.108 -> netcom8.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:58:44 -0400 Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA26543; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990930110200.00ab1bf0@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm always curious about the requirement for isopropyl alcohol when people start discussing cleaning optical components. Ethyl alcohol works well. Here is my formula: Shopping list: 1 pint pure grain alcohol 1 bottle distilled water 1 bottle dish soap 1 quart orange juice ice Recipe: Mix 1 ounce alcohol and 8 ounces orange juice Add ice, stir and drink mixture In a separate container, mix 1 ounce alcohol, 10 ounces distilled water and 1 drop dish soap. Use this to clean optics. Cotton balls work well for this. This works well on all kinds of optics including telescope mirrors, lenses and plastics. Test a small hidden area of anything you may be concerned about melting, etc. Cheers, Jim On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > Well, I'm glad you found it. I'm amazed at the price however; here in > Michigan I can get 500ml of 70% iso. for less than DM 2. Then again, > beer there is cheap, and real beer here can be simply unavailable... > > STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 02:29 AM 9/30/1999 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > > > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in > >english) > >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. > >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 > >ml) etc. > >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") > >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy > >shops > > > > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. > >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses > >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > From cph Thu Sep 30 18:14:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15916 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:14:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22087; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:28 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21782; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:27 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id SAA18667 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27215; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:25:53 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA27241 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:25:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 30 Sep 99 19:25:41 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 30 Sep 99 19:25:13 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.68) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 30 Sep 99 19:25:03 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:19:37 -0100 Message-Id: <199909301919.3739691.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:19:32 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990930110200.00ab1bf0@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:02:00 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: Hi! Just to notice: normally Ethanol (in german "Brennspiritus" ;) does the same job and is about 1,- .. 2,- per liter. Normally 96% so one should add some water. Don't go to a pharmacy (they have it of course) but it's enough to go to the next foodstore as well. >Well, I'm glad you found it. I'm amazed at the price however; here in >Michigan I can get 500ml of 70% iso. for less than DM 2. Well, as you may know that pharmacies are very inefective stores here in germany, so the owners are very very poor people, so they must charge you a lot more than normal pricings to earn there living (more than twice normally). Normally they're so poor that they can hardly pay for the Mercedes 500SEL and must use a 300 series instead. S-Class of course. Also nobody want's to open up a pharmacy here, so we've 2 km completely free of them in Frankfurt. The "Startbahn West" of the airport. >Then again, >beer there is cheap, and real beer here can be simply unavailable... > >STeve Andre' >andres@msu.edu > >At 02:29 AM 9/30/1999 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: >>Here is the relevant information for Germany: >> >>Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in >>english) >>Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. >>Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 >>ml) etc. >>Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") >>Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- >> (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy >>shops >> >> >>BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. >>When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses >>"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > > -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys /*********************************************************\ < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > \*********************************************************/ From cph Thu Sep 30 18:22:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15983 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:22:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22822; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:21:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22693; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22678; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:20:58 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg139-016.ricochet.net [204.179.139.16]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10756 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:20:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c101bf0b92$0b132cc0$108bb3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" References: <199909301919.3739691.7@mail.stelarcom.de> Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:20:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Is this a ThinkPad forum? ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Wagner To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:19 AM Subject: RE: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:02:00 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > Hi! > > Just to notice: normally Ethanol (in german "Brennspiritus" ;) does the same > job and is about 1,- .. 2,- per liter. Normally 96% so one should add some > water. Don't go to a pharmacy (they have it of course) but it's enough to go > to the next foodstore as well. > > >Well, I'm glad you found it. I'm amazed at the price however; here in > >Michigan I can get 500ml of 70% iso. for less than DM 2. > > > Well, as you may know that pharmacies are very inefective stores here in > germany, so the owners are very very poor people, so they must charge you a > lot more than normal pricings to earn there living (more than twice normally). > Normally they're so poor that they can hardly pay for the Mercedes 500SEL and > must use a 300 series instead. S-Class of course. Also nobody want's to open > up a pharmacy here, so we've 2 km completely free of them in Frankfurt. The > "Startbahn West" of the airport. > > > >Then again, > >beer there is cheap, and real beer here can be simply unavailable... > > > >STeve Andre' > >andres@msu.edu > > > >At 02:29 AM 9/30/1999 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > >>Here is the relevant information for Germany: > >> > >>Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in > >>english) > >>Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. > >>Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter > (1000 > >>ml) etc. > >>Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") > >>Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > >> (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy > >>shops > >> > >> > >>BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. > >>When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses > >>"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > > > > > > > > -- > > CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word > Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain > Team OS/2 Franken > _________________________________________________________________________ > -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- > > Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, > even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! > Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys > > /*********************************************************\ > < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > > \*********************************************************/ > > > > From cph Thu Sep 30 18:27:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16028 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:27:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23510; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23363; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23338; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:26:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.78]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990930222606.GSCI7282@compaq>; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:26:06 +0000 Message-ID: <37F3027B.33E2@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:26:03 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Flickering on 760ED display References: <013601bf0b8d$9c4dc560$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If this flickering occurs when the battery charge is in the 60-85% range, it is normal. Slip wrote: > > While charging the battery on my 760ED, it has the habit of > flickering. Is this a normal occurance for thinkpads in general? Or > should I talk to IBM ezserve about this? It's very anoying when I'm > trying to work on it and it's constantly flickering(about once every 6 > or so seconds intermitantly) > > Thanks. > -Jamie From cph Thu Sep 30 22:01:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17350 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04459; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:59:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04345; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04303; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:58:45 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A445443E0150; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: <018301bf0bb0$e1064f60$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: An end to all the 760 maddness! Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:01:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0180_01BF0B8F.5955FE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01BF0B8F.5955FE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, After some quality phone time with IBM regarding my PCMCIA drivers, = I began to notice that a *lot* of things weren't working right. PCMCIA, = video, modem, sound(locked up apps), and the list goes on. Well it seems = that the 760ED doesn't not agree with Win95OSR2.5. I formatted, = reinstalled Win95A, and things have worked right out of the = installation. Of course I had to install drivers, but everything works = now. Just wanted to appologise to the list for jumping to conclusions = about this laptop!=20 -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01BF0B8F.5955FE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there,
    After some quality = phone time=20 with IBM regarding my PCMCIA drivers, I began to notice that a *lot* of = things=20 weren't working right. PCMCIA, video, modem, sound(locked up apps), and = the list=20 goes on. Well it seems that the 760ED doesn't not agree with = Win95OSR2.5. I=20 formatted, reinstalled Win95A, and things have worked right out of the=20 installation. Of course I had to install drivers, but everything works = now. Just=20 wanted to appologise to the list for jumping to conclusions about this = laptop!=20
 
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0180_01BF0B8F.5955FE60-- From cph Thu Sep 30 22:05:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17377 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:05:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05040; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:03:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04904; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04886; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:03:23 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.25]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991001020313.OXSH15731@compaq>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:03:13 +0000 Message-ID: <37F3355B.1198@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:03:07 +0000 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: An end to all the 760 maddness! References: <018301bf0bb0$e1064f60$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That's just the silly party line. I have two of them running Win95 B just perfectly! Slip wrote: > > Hey there, > After some quality phone time with IBM regarding my PCMCIA > drivers, I began to notice that a *lot* of things weren't working > right. PCMCIA, video, modem, sound(locked up apps), and the list goes > on. Well it seems that the 760ED doesn't not agree with Win95OSR2.5. I > formatted, reinstalled Win95A, and things have worked right out of the > installation. Of course I had to install drivers, but everything works > now. Just wanted to appologise to the list for jumping to conclusions > about this laptop! > > -Jamie From cph Thu Sep 30 22:09:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17387 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:09:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05614; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:05:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05191; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05123; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:04:49 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili018.lava.net[207.26.193.113]) (823 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:04:41 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37F41694.FBD8B2F1@lava.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:04:04 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , TP List Subject: colorful thinkpads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? --Keith Honolulu, Hawaii From cph Thu Sep 30 22:38:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17482 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:38:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08104; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:37:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08011; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07995; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:37:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 5381 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1999 02:37:11 -0000 Received: from pppa48-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.107) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 02:37:11 -0000 Message-ID: <37F41E82.7F94B39@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:37:54 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ References: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and would have required that we use special glasses to read only the books printed for one specific region, they would have been called unethical (or worse). Unfortunately does not seem to be other published method to change region with Mediamatics's DVDExpress than to reformat/reload as per IBM's info and my own experience. It's also spelled out in the DVDExpress manual. I had to reload Win95 from the recovery CD, on a TP770. Blame it on Hollywood, but not too much on IBM. It could be worse: it's rumored that in other players the encoding is done in the firmware and thus is more difficult to change. And the Mediamatics DVDExpress uses a quite "clever" method : do not make the mistake of playing as first DVD, after your OS reload, a DVD from region "0" or "NR" = no region. In that case you'll have to reload again. DVDExpress requires that the first DVD being played is from the region you want to adhere to until you wish to reload again... :-) On the other hand there is a published third party free hacked code for Zoran's SoftDVD that doesn't require reloading. There is an URL given in that IBM forum that you mentioned. In that URL there are utilities for several players and several computers. Use at your own risk. I haven't tried them. Also, if you have the knowledge (I don't) to find out what and where in the TP's software is changed from before and after entering the region number, you might have the solution. My hunch is that is irrecognizably encripted somewhere. Globalization welcome! The world is a big single village, except for DVD movies. STeve Andre' wrote: > > ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics > software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially > set it up? > > Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be > altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion > forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. > > Besides being bizarre, thats wrong unless the code somehow encrypts the > data and mismashes into the executable or something (and even then, I'd > bet that it could be circumvented). > > Any ideas? Comments? Any code that does this for other TPs would be > appreciated, too. I dimly remember some comments on this a while back > ago, which I stupidly didn't save because I didn't have a DVD playing > machine around me... > > Thanks! > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Sep 30 23:17:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17649 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:17:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10110; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09971; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09958; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:07:49 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-40.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.50]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25016 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:07:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990930230807.00aa7650@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:08:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ In-Reply-To: <37F41E82.7F94B39@netzero.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You are right and your anaology is apt: specialized glasses for all, if the MPAA had their way. I have a 1472i with the Mediamatics software on it which has never been graced with a DVD yet. Before I test it, I plan on recording the contents of the directory of the software, and the system registry. We'll see how "clever" they are. But, even failing that, I still cannot see how the entire system has to be reloaded: the recovery CD is a large Zip file, isn't it? No one has successfully pulled a piece off that before? I've never looked at my recovery CD. You mentioned a URL in the IBM forum, talking about DVDs, but I haven't seen it. Do you know what it is, perchance? What an OBNOXIOUS thing to do to users... But thanks for your info, Juan-Carlos. STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 07:37 PM 9/30/1999 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and >would have required that we use special glasses to read only the >books printed for one specific region, they would have been >called unethical (or worse). > >Unfortunately does not seem to be other published method to >change region with Mediamatics's DVDExpress than to reformat/reload >as per IBM's info and my own experience. It's also spelled out in >the DVDExpress manual. > >I had to reload Win95 from the recovery CD, on a TP770. > >Blame it on Hollywood, but not too much on IBM. It could be worse: >it's rumored that in other players the encoding is done in the >firmware and thus is more difficult to change. And the Mediamatics >DVDExpress uses a quite "clever" method : do >not make the mistake of playing as first DVD, after your OS reload, >a DVD from region "0" or "NR" = no region. In that case you'll have >to reload again. DVDExpress requires that the first DVD being >played is from the region you want to adhere to until you wish to >reload again... :-) > >On the other hand there is a published third party free hacked code >for Zoran's SoftDVD that doesn't require reloading. There is an URL >given in that IBM forum that you mentioned. In that URL there are >utilities for several players and several computers. Use at your >own risk. I haven't tried them. > >Also, if you have the knowledge (I don't) to find out what and >where in the TP's software is changed from before and after >entering the region number, you might have the solution. My hunch >is that is irrecognizably encripted somewhere. > >Globalization welcome! The world is a big single village, except >for DVD movies. > >STeve Andre' wrote: >> >> ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics >> software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially >> set it up? >> >> Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be >> altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion >> forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. >> >> Besides being bizarre, thats wrong unless the code somehow encrypts the >> data and mismashes into the executable or something (and even then, I'd >> bet that it could be circumvented). >> >> Any ideas? Comments? Any code that does this for other TPs would be >> appreciated, too. I dimly remember some comments on this a while back >> ago, which I stupidly didn't save because I didn't have a DVD playing >> machine around me... >> >> Thanks! >> >> --STeve Andre' >> andres@msu.edu >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >