From cph Wed Dec 1 00:11:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19200 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:11:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01055; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:09:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00924; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00911; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:09:01 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax20.vramp.net [198.138.8.83]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17965; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:08:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04dd01bf3bba$5a1848c0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Jonathan Berry" References: <383C2224.81EC25B6@icanect.net><002c01bf36b3$af45db20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu><00a101bf36f1$34cf6ad0$43088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> <383E09EE.B07D881A@icanect.net><383E48B8.13C3@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <384210DD.EF1EF627@icanect.net><003501bf3a6e$8b362be0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> <38436736.C1C10CD8@icanect.net><02d101bf3b62$ab4b5d20$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Jonathan Berry" wrote: > >Last day (hell, last HOUR!) flurries of bidding that drive the price well > >beyond the limits of reason are all too common. But, perhaps there really > >are that many ignorant people out there who are willing to pay damn near > >retail for very used machines. > > "Shilling" is a real danger, but then you need to know the > value of what it is you're purchasing. Exactly my point. Apparently there's an enormous amount of bidders on eBay who just haven't done their homework. > Personally, I often wait until the last hour, nay, the last two > minutes, before putting in my bid. That way I'm more likely to > get it. You may see more bidding in the last two minutes > than in the previous 6 days, 23 hours and 58 minutes. That > doesn't mean that there is shilling going on, or that the final > price is too high. Oh, I'm a firm believer in sniping. I've won most of my auctions in the last few minutes. But I've also seen an awful lot of them just climb out of sight as some bidders get hot and are unwilling to "lose" regardless of what they ultimately pay. The sniping is not proof of shilling, but my knowing that an item can be purchased at retail for less than it's going for at bid is adequate proof to me that the price is too high. > [And if the bidding level has already gone higher than > I'd like to pay, I don't have to bother bidding at all.] Now where's the fun in that? :-) Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 1 00:19:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19237 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:19:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01564; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:18:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01472; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01457; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:18:05 -0500 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:50746 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512964-12069>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:15:56 -0500 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:3813 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324675-25056>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:16:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991201001638.00ae3100@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: nractc03@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:16:38 -0500 To: Rob Bell From: Tom Trottier Subject: Re: tp560: w2k rc2 installation Cc: See-Kit Lam , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3843D503.565A4434@netscape.net> References: <001c01bf3ae8$b0a9b980$559589d0@TP560E> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I also do this. It also makes any changes of hardware or setup much simpler, since the supporting software is right there - no fishing for the CD. Tom At 07:45 1999/11/30 -0600, Rob Bell wrote: >What I find simplest for doing OS upgrades like this is to copy the >installation files to the local HD first (from another OS that can see >the CD), then boot to DOS and run the installation from there. On >laptop PCs, and even desktop PCs, removing the CD-ROM from the process >makes things a lot less painful and complicated. Of course, this >assumes that you have extra free space on the target HD. > >Good luck, >Rob > >See-Kit Lam wrote: >> hi all... i just get hold of a w2k rc2 cd .... but the >> installation is not as smooth as expected. i have a ibm 20x pcmcia cd >> rom dirve. the installation comes to a halt during the starting stage >> of file copying. i try to make a win98 startup disk... with all those >> specific driver for the drive... the startup is okay..... but tp560 >> can't read anything from the drive. is there any other way to >> install w2k? thanks. seekit ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com From cph Wed Dec 1 01:06:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19508 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:06:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03924; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:05:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03848; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03834; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (199.239.18.15 -> needToKnowBasis.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:05:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Win2K Driver Updates for Thinkpads To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , , "See K Lam" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 06:12:19 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 11/30/99 11:12:22 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I just went there, and they are still the 10/20 files. Did you find newer ones? ssh "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Bill Morrow" , , "See K Lam" erw.com> cc: Subject: Win2K Driver Updates for Thinkpads 11/30/1999 05:11 PM Folks, Got an email today from IBM that there are new WIN2K drivers available at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-46SNR3.html for the following models: - ThinkPad 380E, 380ED, 380XD, 380Z - ThinkPad 385E, 385ED, 385XD - ThinkPad 560E, 560X, 560Z - ThinkPad 570 - ThinkPad 600, 600E - ThinkPad 760XD, 760XL, 765D, 765L - ThinkPad 770, 770E, 770ED, 770X, 770Z I also got my new TP600 today (2645-850 PII 300MHz (512KB) 64MB RAM 5.1GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP)) and I LIKE it. Gonna' load Win2K Professional RC2 on it along with Office 2000 and see what havoc I can wrought! Hey Bill! Got any (cheap) dusty, dirty hard drives for my new critter (cheap) lying around taking up space (cheap) and scaring the birds (cheep!) you want to get rid of (cheap)? Let's see if my carefully hidden subliminal message has any effect. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 1 01:21:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19604 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:21:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04549; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04476; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04463; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:41 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax20.vramp.net [198.138.8.83]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA21993; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:20:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <054101bf3bc4$5e211b40$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Jonathan Berry" References: <199911290016.TAA09220@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: TP600 travelling in UK? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:21:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Jonathan Berry" wrote: > In London, at the Tottenham Court tube (subway) station, > going north from there along Tottenham Court Road, there are > lots of electronics shops. Yep, been there. Not unlike Canal Street in Manhattan many years ago before it was Yuppiefied. > The same stores can sell you a power adaptor (transformer not > needed if your brick says 230 V / 50 Hz as input). Don't > remember what that cost, as it was years ago, but it seemed > reasonable at the time. I went into a shop to buy a grounded kettle cord. Clerk asks me what it's for, I tell him it's for my laptop and he asks me what type. I tell him a TP600, he reaches under the counter and pulls out an IBM part no. 76H3524 UK style power cord. Fits the brick for my 600 perfectly. Price 4.50 Pounds. My wife, who coincidentally is over the pond this week in London, called her company's helpdesk about adapters for her 600 before her previous trip over. They made a big to-do over my offer to pick up the adapters she needed at Radio Shack and said that she could _only_ use company approved items. Next day she gets a FEDEXed package containing one of those US$200.00 Port sets containing adapters for Mars and Venus and just about everywhere else. Even has the Norwegian phone adapter, which looks like something that may have to do with the low birth rate over there! (Although I _did_ admire the windup phone extension cord and have liberated it for my own use!) As a stockholder, I took umbrage at this waste of funds and questionned the intelligence of the helpdesk employees. Which is when she informed me that the company now outsources the helpdesk to the same outfit that provides their laptops, desktops and accessories. What a surprise. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 1 01:31:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00214 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05000; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:30:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04900; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04887; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:30:00 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax20.vramp.net [198.138.8.83]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA22415; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:29:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <055101bf3bc5$aae42de0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Steve Hultquist" References: Subject: Re: Win2K Driver Updates for Thinkpads Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > I just went there, and they are still the 10/20 files. Did you find newer > ones? You know, I didn't check the date, but you're right, they're the ones from last month. But I just got the message today! Hmmmmmmmmm. I think I know what happened. I thought this was an email generated by my old 600's registration, but instead it must have been sent in response to my registering my new 600 last night. So it was old news. Sorry about that folks. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 1 01:32:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00237 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:32:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05152; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05079; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05065; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:30 -0500 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:50746 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <513032-12068>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:30:15 -0500 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:3982 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324679-25058>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:31:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991201013103.00b68200@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: nractc03@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:31:03 -0500 To: Randal Whittle From: Tom Trottier Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991130204200.00d0ba80@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.19991130234045.00abfb50@mail.netrover.com> <4.2.0.58.19991129213834.00c03eb0@rcf.usc.edu> <007501bf3ad0$676760a0$d512f103@hobbes> <4.2.0.58.19991128171706.0338bee0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: No, there is no "direct" connection. The firewall on the interface machine would interface with the DSL, do any filtering, virus checking or whatever, translate the address the packet came in on, (IP or IP+port) & distribute it to the appropriate machine with its own IP address in the subnet. I'm just a dilettante - see http://www.networkcomputing.com/netdesign/wall1.html Tom At 20:47 1999/11/30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:40 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: ... >>Actually, the firewall software only needs to be on the machine that >>interfaces to the internet. Then you'd need a separate ethernet card to >>connect up the other machines. >>Tom > >Tom, > Doesn't this assume a traditional server configuration? > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are >peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration (if I >understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the DSL >line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at a >software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the connection to >the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall box such as >the Sonic Wall I described either. > > In such a configuration--peer networked machines--am I mistaken in >presuming that each machine would require a software firewall to be protected? > >- Randy Whittle ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com From cph Wed Dec 1 01:41:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00322 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:41:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05585; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05508; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from netdoor.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05495; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from netdoor.com (208.137.128.6 -> netdoor.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:15 -0500 Received: from TP560E (port160.stk.netdoor.com [208.137.149.160]) by netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17390 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:40:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003701bf3bc6$a9de3a20$a09589d0@TP560E> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: Subject: w2k registry Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:38:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3B94.5D6EBC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3B94.5D6EBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all..... i've some 'zombie' programs left in the startup program = (not in the startup in the start menu). i think that the cause of system = to stall when booting. so, where can i edit the registry in w2k? thanks. seekit ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3B94.5D6EBC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3B94.5D6EBC00-- From cph Wed Dec 1 01:53:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00432 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:53:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06091; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:51:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06018; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06005; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:51:43 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA02461; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:50:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002701bf3bc8$6821b240$a13e6420@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Tom Trottier" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.19991129213834.00c03eb0@rcf.usc.edu><007501bf3ad0$676760a0$d512f103@hobbes><4.2.0.58.19991128171706.0338bee0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.2.0.58.19991130204200.00d0ba80@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:50:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are > peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration (if I > understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the DSL > line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at a > software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the connection to > the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall box such as > the Sonic Wall I described either. Any machine directly hardwired to the outside world needs the protection. If your secondary machines are only talking to the primary machine on a local net (with non-global addresses), then they should be OK. If all the machines are connected to your DSL line with DSL modems, then they all need some kind of protection (though again, this could just consist of turning all shares off and blocking free ports). The Sonic Wall acts just like a primary machine in this regard, i.e., the other machines connect to *it* rather than to the DSL line. - David R. From cph Wed Dec 1 05:31:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA01347 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23135; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:27:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23053; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23040; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:27:09 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26164 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:27:06 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20003 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:27:06 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:26:54 +0000 To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: 755CX alternating NiMH and Li-ION charge problems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA01348 I have a problem that the charge light doesn't seem to go on if I swap out a Li-ION and put in a NiMH, what is more the thing beeps every 5 seconds under W95. The NiMH battery seems to charge albeit slowly (took overnight for a full charge). The meter sees the battery charge, the presence or absence of the ac adapter, and conecting/disconnecting the adapter combined with combinations of resetting or shutting the lid didn't clear the problem. I even did a discharge-charge cycle to no avail. Until I tried the Li-ION I didn't have any problems with the NiMH, the meter and charging seemed normal. Any ideas? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Dec 1 05:45:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA01397 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23708; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:40:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23632; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23617; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:40:22 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA03289 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:40:13 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001001bf3be8$762d6080$b63e6420@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: More questions! Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:40:16 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > If you're only going to do a little word processing and moderate web > surfing, the 560 will do all right. But, be aware that you're buying a > dinosaur I guess I should add to my earlier post that you *can* do harder tasks on the 560; just takes longer. Even though it is the slowest machine I have, I use mine even for things like data analysis, just because it is easy to take with me wherever I go. Today I rendered a 3D animation on it (only 256 colors, so not *terribly* slow). - David R. 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If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_8FD6FF87.6F0E0738 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Tom...the cisco 675 plugs into a hub...the machines connect to the hub. Isn't that directly connected? Can't the cisco serve as the firewall with port blocking? You would still need to lock down the windows machines but there is no need to leave all ports open either. >>> Tom Trottier 12/01/99 12:31am >>> No, there is no "direct" connection. The firewall on the interface machine would interface with the DSL, do any filtering, virus checking or whatever, translate the address the packet came in on, (IP or IP+port) & distribute it to the appropriate machine with its own IP address in the subnet. I'm just a dilettante - see http://www.networkcomputing.com/netdesign/wall1.html Tom At 20:47 1999/11/30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:40 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: ... >>Actually, the firewall software only needs to be on the machine that >>interfaces to the internet. Then you'd need a separate ethernet card to >>connect up the other machines. >>Tom > >Tom, > Doesn't this assume a traditional server configuration? > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are >peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No, there is no "direct" connection. The firewall on the interface machine would interface with the DSL, do any filtering, virus checking or whatever, translate the address the packet came in on, (IP or IP+port) & distribute it to the appropriate machine with its own IP address in the subnet. I'm just a dilettante - see http://www.networkcomputing.com/netdesign/wall1.html Tom At 20:47 1999/11/30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:40 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: ... >>Actually, the firewall software only needs to be on the machine that >>interfaces to the internet. Then you'd need a separate ethernet card to >>connect up the other machines. >>Tom > >Tom, > Doesn't this assume a traditional server configuration? > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are >peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration (if I >understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the DSL >line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at a >software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the connection to >the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall box such as >the Sonic Wall I described either. > > In such a configuration--peer networked machines--am I mistaken in >presuming that each machine would require a software firewall to be protected? > >- Randy Whittle ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com --=_8FD6FF87.6F0E0738-- From cph Wed Dec 1 08:20:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA02347 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:20:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00424; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:18:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00183; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00166; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:18:08 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial39.auto-net.com [208.154.252.88]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA77444; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:12:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38451FE5.91B2247D@iso.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 07:17:25 -0600 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Tom Trottier , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? References: <4.2.0.58.19991129213834.00c03eb0@rcf.usc.edu><007501bf3ad0$676760a0$d512f103@hobbes><4.2.0.58.19991128171706.0338bee0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.2.0.58.19991130204200.00d0ba80@rcf.usc.edu> <002701bf3bc8$6821b240$a13e6420@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you want to try your security go to for a check-up. Bill David Ross wrote: > > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are > > peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration (if I > > understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the DSL > > line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at a > > software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the connection to > > the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall box such as > > the Sonic Wall I described either. > > Any machine directly hardwired to the outside world needs the protection. If > your secondary machines are only talking to the primary machine on a local net > (with non-global addresses), then they should be OK. If all the machines are > connected to your DSL line with DSL modems, then they all need some kind of > protection (though again, this could just consist of turning all shares off > and blocking free ports). > The Sonic Wall acts just like a primary machine in this regard, i.e., the > other machines connect to *it* rather than to the DSL line. > > - David R. From cph Wed Dec 1 09:56:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03134 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:56:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06658; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06432; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06419; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:51 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id JAA03979 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id JAA03945 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:52:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912011452.JAA03945@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:53:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 travelling in UK? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:21:55 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >I went into a shop to buy a grounded kettle cord. Clerk asks >me what it's for, I tell him it's for my laptop and he asks >me what type. I tell him a TP600, he reaches under the >counter and pulls out an IBM part no. 76H3524 UK style power >cord. Fits the brick for my 600 perfectly. Price 4.50 Pounds. Thanks for the info! I'll probably still get an adapter here (from CAA, quite cheap) but I was thinking of looking into that while in the UK (stupid IBM, their manual lists the part numbers of all the power cords, the US site doesn't let you order or price it, just tells you to contact their overseas marketing people -- you'd think there would be a market in North America for UK-compliant power cords!!!!! ). The local CAA carries Austin House power accessories, alongside their sleeping masks, neck rests, money belts, and all the other paraphernalia. I've also seen them in several airports, although they're Canadian airports. What particularly impressed me about the power adapters (C$10.50 retail, ~U$7) is that the female side is a weird combination of slots and jacks, that looks like it will take just about any nationality's plug. Obviously I don't need a European adapter that takes a UK plug, but it strikes me that an Austin House adapter sold for that purpose in the UK or Europe, will also take my NA plug! Very nice. Does make the plugs a bit big, though (grounded ones, because the receiving end is big enough for that monster UK plug). Austin House's website is useless (still under construction) but I heard a rumour they sell phone adapters too. CAA didn't have them. Radio Shack's site lists some neat phone adapters. They're actually duplex adapters, one jack local the other RJ-11. The UK one (where the plug looks to be like an RJ-45 in size) looks like a standard NA duplex adapter (one of the two being UK), the Swedish one, which looks like some sort of 220V stove plug in miniature, has the RJ-11 sticking out sideways. The net effect being that you can plug in the adapter, plug in your modem, _AND_ plug in the original telephone! Radio Shack in Canada doesn't even list them. Does anyone know if these are stock items in US stores (I'll be there next week)? FWIW, here are the part numbers from RS's site: 980-0481 UK phone (U$6) 980-0478 Sweden phone (U$6) 980-0448 Europe grounded (2 round pin) (U$6) 980-0608 UK (?-labelled Europe but looks like UK) grounded (U$7) 273-1405 some set of 4 power adapters (U$9) 273-1413 multi-nation adapter (~U$25?) There are lots of others too. >As a stockholder, I took umbrage at this waste of funds and >questioned the intelligence of the helpdesk employees. >Which is when she informed me that the company now outsources >the helpdesk to the same outfit that provides their laptops, >desktops and accessories. > >What a surprise. Funny how that works, isn't it? :( andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Dec 1 13:23:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04758 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22477; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:14:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21933; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21912; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:14:04 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00306 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:13:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:13:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01bf3c27$d5401100$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: There used to be an EBay Underground FAQ that gave information on how to win on EBay, but I think the page has disappeared. However, the main point it made is that there is no point in bidding before the last 10 - 15 seconds; figure out your best price, set up your pages to bid, and hit the button in those last seconds. Bidding earlier only drives up the price. -- JB From cph Wed Dec 1 14:25:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05274 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:25:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27222; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:19:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26986; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26955; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:19:20 -0500 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA21910 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:19:18 -0800 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 369953FF1B for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21272 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1999 19:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 1999 19:16:37 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: RE: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:16:37 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <04dd01bf3bba$5a1848c0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 > > Oh, I'm a firm believer in sniping. I've won most of my auctions > in the last > few minutes. But I've also seen an awful lot of them just climb > out of sight > as some bidders get hot and are unwilling to "lose" regardless > of what they > ultimately pay. The sniping is not proof of shilling, but my > knowing that an > item can be purchased at retail for less than it's going for at bid is > adequate proof to me that the price is too high. Has anyone noticed the prices people pay for TrackPoint caps on eBay? I saw one auction where someone paid $15 plus $4.20 shipping for *ONE* cap. The guy that sells these caps usually gets $6 + $4.20 for one cap. And he's buying them from IBM at $5 for two caps with free shipping, just like anyone else can. Go figure. -Mike From cph Wed Dec 1 15:43:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05868 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:43:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03082; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:34:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02800; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02785; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:33:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 9680 invoked by uid 66); 1 Dec 1999 20:34:30 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Wed Dec 1 20:34:30 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id BB42C602F; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:42:03 +0100 (CET) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? Date: 1 Dec 1999 17:42:03 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 9 Message-ID: <823mlb$25n$1@seneca.muc.de> References: <199911280901.BAA26915@stevie.loop.com> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 944070123 2231 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 1999 17:42:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 1999 17:42:03 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: "Paul Khoury" "Randal Whittle" wrote: > If you're going to get lots of traffic, you might want to opt for a Pentium with NT. Good^H^H^HBad joke. -- Give me a Plumber's friend the size of the Pittsburgh dome, and a place to stand, and I will drain the world. From cph Wed Dec 1 16:19:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06185 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:19:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07226; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:14:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06857; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06723; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:14:12 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.33) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 1 Dec 1999 16:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bf3c37$e7947fc0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Great experiance with EZServe but I'm a bit confused... Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, First let me explain my original problem first(kinda long so bear with me) A little while ago, my Thinkpad 760ED started acting up. It would boot, give me a 163 and 173 error codes, then drop me into BIOS time/date setup. Upon rebooting it would do the same. So after a few reboots, it suddenly started asking for my Supervisor passwd. Well I admit to not knowing that, BUT, it shouldn't have been prompting me for the supervisory passwd at boot. After some more reboots, the video went totaly haywire and the entire screen was filled with garbage. At this point I called IBM and setup a pickup. The technician told me that there was some other problem with the system and that the board could be replaced along with them while it was there. So IBM called me, talked to me about the passwd, which I explained that I didn't know. A day or so later they called with a price estimate on the main board, which was $530 I think. He told me that he replaced the CMOS battery but the passwd issue still remained. I had them ship the system back unrepaired, thinking that I could possibly remember the supervisory passwd. Today I recieved the laptop back, with a *replaced* mainboard, *and* the bottom case replaced! It previously had a large crack down the left side! They didn't charge me because there was a slip confirming the shipment of an un-repaired system. Now for the interesting part. I booted the laptop, and it prompted me for the HDD passwd. I *know* the HDD paswd from before because it was set the same as the power on. Now I have a fixed mainboard, but no HDD. I'm really at a loss as to what to do besides buy a new HDD. Any suggestions? Thanks, and sorry for the long e-mail. -Jamie From cph Wed Dec 1 16:41:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06290 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:41:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09028; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:37:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08808; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08761; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:36:48 -0500 Received: from 770z (1Cust57.tnt4.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.41.57]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19752; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:36:21 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Slip" , Subject: RE: Great experiance with EZServe but I'm a bit confused... Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001701bf3c37$e7947fc0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> List-Unsubscribe: I "Think" that the problem here is that the motherboard and HD passwords don't match. Try going into the setup, and "set" the HD password to the same as it was before. Then try a reboot, and see if it will accept the password. If it will, then you should be able to delete it. I remember trying to swap a HD from one machine to another, and I seem to recall that this worked. Anyway, it's worth a try!!! Richard -----Original Message----- From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:09 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Great experiance with EZServe but I'm a bit confused... Hi there, First let me explain my original problem first(kinda long so bear with me) A little while ago, my Thinkpad 760ED started acting up. It would boot, give me a 163 and 173 error codes, then drop me into BIOS time/date setup. Upon rebooting it would do the same. So after a few reboots, it suddenly started asking for my Supervisor passwd. Well I admit to not knowing that, BUT, it shouldn't have been prompting me for the supervisory passwd at boot. After some more reboots, the video went totaly haywire and the entire screen was filled with garbage. At this point I called IBM and setup a pickup. The technician told me that there was some other problem with the system and that the board could be replaced along with them while it was there. So IBM called me, talked to me about the passwd, which I explained that I didn't know. A day or so later they called with a price estimate on the main board, which was $530 I think. He told me that he replaced the CMOS battery but the passwd issue still remained. I had them ship the system back unrepaired, thinking that I could possibly remember the supervisory passwd. Today I recieved the laptop back, with a *replaced* mainboard, *and* the bottom case replaced! It previously had a large crack down the left side! They didn't charge me because there was a slip confirming the shipment of an un-repaired system. Now for the interesting part. I booted the laptop, and it prompted me for the HDD passwd. I *know* the HDD paswd from before because it was set the same as the power on. Now I have a fixed mainboard, but no HDD. I'm really at a loss as to what to do besides buy a new HDD. Any suggestions? Thanks, and sorry for the long e-mail. -Jamie From cph Wed Dec 1 16:44:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06309 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:44:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09402; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:42:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09327; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09297; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:41:51 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.33) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 1 Dec 1999 16:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01bf3c3b$add94e60$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: , References: Subject: Re: Great experiance with EZServe but I'm a bit confused... Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:35:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Richard, I would try this, however I can't get into the BIOS setup unless I take the HDD out. And then the HDD passwd option is grayed out...*Should* I be able to get into setup without entering the HDD passwd? I tried putting my old power-on passwd in as well, thinking it might take the one passwd for both, but I just get two prompts now(it will accept the POP BTW) Thanks. -Jamie > I "Think" that the problem here is that the motherboard and HD passwords > don't match. Try going into the setup, and "set" the HD password to the > same as it was before. Then try a reboot, and see if it will accept the > password. If it will, then you should be able to delete it. > I remember trying to swap a HD from one machine to another, and I seem to > recall that this worked. Anyway, it's worth a try!!! From cph Wed Dec 1 17:10:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06516 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:10:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11606; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11520; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11505; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.117 -> duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:09 -0500 Received: from miles (1Cust29.max1.par2.fra.da.uu.net [195.129.10.29]) by duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15353; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: TP600 travelling in UK? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <199912011452.JAA03945@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: > > >I went into a shop to buy a grounded kettle cord. Clerk asks > >me what it's for, I tell him it's for my laptop and he asks > >me what type. I tell him a TP600, he reaches under the > >counter and pulls out an IBM part no. 76H3524 UK style power > >cord. Fits the brick for my 600 perfectly. Price 4.50 Pounds. > > Thanks for the info! I'll probably still get an adapter here (from > CAA, quite cheap) but I was thinking of looking into that while in > the UK (stupid IBM, their manual lists the part numbers of all the > power cords, the US site doesn't let you order or price it, just > tells you to contact their overseas marketing people -- you'd think > there would be a market in North America for UK-compliant power > cords!!!!! ). > Anyone happen to know the equivalent part number for the Euro (France) power cord for the 600 brick? Thanks in advance dn From cph Wed Dec 1 19:46:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07476 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:46:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21696; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:45:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21545; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21524; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:45:00 -0500 Received: from user-38lcisa.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcisa.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.138]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00571 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:44:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912020044.TAA00571@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:45:37 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock 2 error... List-Unsubscribe: Hello, My Dock2 displays a HOST DIAGNOSTIC ERROR whenever I put the 760CD in it. Then it freezes with just a blinking cursor. I put a 760XL in it and got the same message, but it went ahead and booted anyway after a long pause. I hit F1 and ran all the tests, and both units pass Ok. If you have any idea what is going on with the Dock2, please let me know. It worked fine until tonight. Thanks. Allan Ballard From cph Wed Dec 1 19:49:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07495 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:49:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21985; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21887; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21873; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:32 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.37]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991202004830.IOGB2272@compaq>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:48:30 +0000 Message-ID: <3845EBE2.24CB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:47:46 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Dock 2 error... References: <199912020044.TAA00571@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Did you turn off the SCSI BIOS? You don't need that on wtih W95/98 Allan wrote: > > Hello, > > My Dock2 displays a HOST DIAGNOSTIC ERROR > whenever I put the 760CD in it. > > Then it freezes with just a blinking cursor. > > I put a 760XL in it and got the same message, but it > went ahead and booted anyway after a long pause. > > I hit F1 and ran all the tests, and both units pass Ok. > > If you have any idea what is going on with the Dock2, > please let me know. It worked fine until tonight. > > Thanks. > > Allan Ballard From cph Wed Dec 1 19:56:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07529 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:56:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22413; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:54:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22336; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22323; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:54:31 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.37]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991202005430.IRKU2272@compaq>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:54:30 +0000 Message-ID: <3845ED4A.3CA3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:53:46 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Dock 2 error... References: <199912020044.TAA00571@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Also, I think the 760CD would boot given enough time. The XL is much faster, I tihnk this may be the SCSI BIOS, especially if you do not have any SCSI devices on board. Allan wrote: > > Hello, > > My Dock2 displays a HOST DIAGNOSTIC ERROR > whenever I put the 760CD in it. > > Then it freezes with just a blinking cursor. > > I put a 760XL in it and got the same message, but it > went ahead and booted anyway after a long pause. > > I hit F1 and ran all the tests, and both units pass Ok. > > If you have any idea what is going on with the Dock2, > please let me know. It worked fine until tonight. > > Thanks. > > Allan Ballard From cph Wed Dec 1 21:42:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08362 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:42:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28596; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:40:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28469; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28456; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (192.75.13.117 -> loca.thezone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:40:52 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (wiley243h045.roadrunner.nf.net [205.251.243.45]) by mail.roadrunner.nf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21285 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:50 -0330 (NST) Message-ID: <000801bf3c6e$c4aa56b0$2df3fbcd@thinkpad> From: "Bill W" To: Subject: [Thinkpad 390E]Win2000 and DVD help?? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:11:39 -0330 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I just installed Win2000 on my thinkpad 390E ,C-366,64 ram,12.1"TFT,4.8 gig,2X DVD-rom. Every thing works EXCEPT for the dvd express software player. Does any one out there have a software dvd player that will work in win 2000?????? BILL W From cph Wed Dec 1 22:40:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08707 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:40:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02029; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01942; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01929; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:09 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id WAA18650 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with SMTP id WAA18625 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:39:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912020339.WAA18625@spamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:38:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP600 travelling in UK? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:09:05 -0800, David Newman wrote: >Anyone happen to know the equivalent part number for the Euro >(France) power cord for the 600 brick? > >Thanks in advance http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/uguide/600e/c79hrm04.htm "Power Cord Requirements "To use the AC Adapter outside the country where you purchased your computer, you need an ac power cord that is certified for the country you are visiting. You can purchase one through an IBM authorized reseller or IBM marketing representative in that country." 76H3518: Austria, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzogovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Macao, Macedonia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Yugoslavia andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Dec 1 23:12:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA08854 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03551; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03449; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03412; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:10:03 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.13) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 1 Dec 1999 23:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001801bf3c72$00186400$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Followup Re: IBM EZserve on TP760 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:04:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF3C48.16BC1500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF3C48.16BC1500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I thought I'd fill in a few things I had missed. I also called IBM = back and spoke to them on this matter: I had sent my Thinkpad 760ED into ezserve for replacement of a = mainboard. It started giving me 163, and 173 errors, not accepting my = Supervisor passwd(and prompting for it at bootup, which it shouldn't = have been), and in the end the video was totaly corrupted. As mentioned = above they replaced the mainboard along with the CMOS battery which they = said fixed it. Well I sent it in with a HDD password on it, which I = could *not* diclose due to the nature of my job(it was backed up BTW = though).=20 Well I recieved my laptop back, but not it won't accept my HDD password! = I tried everything possible, but it won't take it. I raise my right hand = and swear that the password entered was what it was before I sent it in. = I thought maybe the mainboard being replaced had something to do with it = so I called IBM back. Appearently the system BIOS does not store and HDD = passwd data. And they won't replace the HDD. I sent the harddrive in = working, and now I'm still sitting here with a 'dead' system. If you ask = me, if it wasn't accepting my Supervisor, and now not the HDD, then = there's some other issue wrong.=20 Can anyone advise me as to what to do next? I can't afford to buy = another HDD right now and this downtime is going to hurt...Anyone? I = would consider sending the drive to anyone who thinks they can help(an = honorable & frequent member of the list though). I understand how IBM = may think that I simply forgot it, am using CAPS, or something else = simple, but that's not the case... Thanks, -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF3C48.16BC1500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I thought I'd fill in a few = things I had=20 missed. I also called IBM back and spoke to them on this = matter:
I had sent my Thinkpad 760ED into ezserve for = replacement of a=20 mainboard. It started giving me 163, and 173 errors, not accepting my = Supervisor=20 passwd(and prompting for it at bootup, which it shouldn't have been), = and in the=20 end the video was totaly corrupted. As mentioned above they replaced the = mainboard along with the CMOS battery which they said fixed it. Well I = sent it=20 in with a HDD password on it, which I could *not* diclose due to the = nature of=20 my job(it was backed up BTW though).
 
Well I recieved my laptop back, but not it won't = accept my HDD=20 password! I tried everything possible, but it won't take it. I raise my = right=20 hand and swear that the password entered was what it was before I sent = it in. I=20 thought maybe the mainboard being replaced had something to do with it = so I=20 called IBM back. Appearently the system BIOS does not store and HDD = passwd data.=20 And they won't replace the HDD. I sent the harddrive in working, = and now=20 I'm still sitting here with a 'dead' system. If you ask me, if it wasn't = accepting my Supervisor, and now not the HDD, then there's some other = issue=20 wrong.
 
Can anyone advise me as to what to do next? I can't = afford to=20 buy another HDD right now and this downtime is going to hurt...Anyone? I = would=20 consider sending the drive to anyone who thinks they can help(an = honorable &=20 frequent member of the list though). I understand how IBM may think that = I=20 simply forgot it, am using CAPS, or something else simple, but that's = not the=20 case...
 
Thanks,
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF3C48.16BC1500-- From cph Wed Dec 1 23:14:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA08866 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:14:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03794; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03715; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03702; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:12:22 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.13) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 1 Dec 1999 23:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf3c72$5ba15020$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Followup:Re: IBM EZserve on 760[plaintext version] Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:07:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: (sorry about the HTML in the other post, it slipped out) Hi there, I thought I'd fill in a few things I had missed. I also called IBM back and spoke to them on this matter: I had sent my Thinkpad 760ED into ezserve for replacement of a mainboard. It started giving me 163, and 173 errors, not accepting my Supervisor passwd(and prompting for it at bootup, which it shouldn't have been), and in the end the video was totaly corrupted. As mentioned above they replaced the mainboard along with the CMOS battery which they said fixed it. Well I sent it in with a HDD password on it, which I could *not* diclose due to the nature of my job(it was backed up BTW though). Well I recieved my laptop back, but not it won't accept my HDD password! I tried everything possible, but it won't take it. I raise my right hand and swear that the password entered was what it was before I sent it in. I thought maybe the mainboard being replaced had something to do with it so I called IBM back. Appearently the system BIOS does not store and HDD passwd data. And they won't replace the HDD. I sent the harddrive in working, and now I'm still sitting here with a 'dead' system. If you ask me, if it wasn't accepting my Supervisor, and now not the HDD, then there's some other issue wrong. Can anyone advise me as to what to do next? I can't afford to buy another HDD right now and this downtime is going to hurt...Anyone? I would consider sending the drive to anyone who thinks they can help(an honorable & frequent member of the list though). I understand how IBM may think that I simply forgot it, am using CAPS, or something else simple, but that's not the case... Thanks, -Jamie From cph Thu Dec 2 04:22:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA10233 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:22:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17125; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:18:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17013; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16998; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:18:27 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06376; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:18:16 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07061; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:18:16 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 9:18:12 +0000 To: , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re[2]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA10234 Sounds like good business if you can get it. I was thinking of remanufacturing these as they seem to be an expensive item for what they are. Anyone interested in 20 for £5 inc shipping? - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Author: MIME:"Michael Geary" at INTERNET Date: 12/1/99 7:24 PM > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 > > Oh, I'm a firm believer in sniping. I've won most of my auctions > in the last > few minutes. But I've also seen an awful lot of them just climb > out of sight > as some bidders get hot and are unwilling to "lose" regardless > of what they > ultimately pay. The sniping is not proof of shilling, but my > knowing that an > item can be purchased at retail for less than it's going for at bid is > adequate proof to me that the price is too high. Has anyone noticed the prices people pay for TrackPoint caps on eBay? I saw one auction where someone paid $15 plus $4.20 shipping for *ONE* cap. The guy that sells these caps usually gets $6 + $4.20 for one cap. And he's buying them from IBM at $5 for two caps with free shipping, just like anyone else can. Go figure. -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Dec 2 08:26:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA10970 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:26:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03518; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:24:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03421; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03408; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:24:25 -0500 Received: from andres (port40.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.179]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17000 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:24:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202082420.00a22100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 08:24:20 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA10971 Absolutely! But how are you going to do that? Can you get that nice grainy feeling? I really would want that original feeling (if not even more rough). ...What am I offered for my old ones? For some odd reason I haven't been able to throw them away. ;-) --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 09:18 AM 12/2/1999 +0000, Adam Quantrill wrote: >Sounds like good business if you can get it. > >I was thinking of remanufacturing these as they seem to be an expensive item for what they are. Anyone interested in 20 for £5 inc shipping? > >- Adam >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: RE: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) >Author: MIME:"Michael Geary" at INTERNET >Date: 12/1/99 7:24 PM > >> From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 >> >> Oh, I'm a firm believer in sniping. I've won most of my auctions > in the last >> few minutes. But I've also seen an awful lot of them just climb > out of sight >> as some bidders get hot and are unwilling to "lose" regardless > of what they >> ultimately pay. The sniping is not proof of shilling, but my > knowing that an >> item can be purchased at retail for less than it's going for at bid is > adequate proof to me that the price is too high. > >Has anyone noticed the prices people pay for TrackPoint caps on eBay? I saw one auction where someone paid $15 plus $4.20 shipping for *ONE* cap. The guy that sells these caps usually gets $6 + $4.20 for one cap. And he's buying them from IBM at $5 for two caps with free shipping, just like anyone else can. Go figure. > >-Mike From cph Thu Dec 2 09:17:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11218 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:17:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06329; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:15:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06250; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06235; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:15:27 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09829; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:14:47 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12510; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:14:47 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:14:41 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re[4]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA11219 For the real afficionados of rough trackpoint caps I was thinking of offering the Diamond-Tipped Trackpoint Cap Cost: £10, lifetime guarantee. Encrusted with industrial-grade diamonds. After all, your finger grows back, your trackpoint doesn't! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Author: MIME:"STeve Andre'" at INTERNET Date: 12/2/99 1:28 PM Absolutely! But how are you going to do that? Can you get that nice grainy feeling? I really would want that original feeling (if not even more rough). ...What am I offered for my old ones? For some odd reason I haven't been able to throw them away. ;-) --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 09:18 AM 12/2/1999 +0000, Adam Quantrill wrote: >Sounds like good business if you can get it. > >I was thinking of remanufacturing these as they seem to be an expensive item for what they are. Anyone interested in 20 for £5 inc shipping? > >- Adam >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: RE: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) >Author: MIME:"Michael Geary" at INTERNET >Date: 12/1/99 7:24 PM > >> From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 >> >> Oh, I'm a firm believer in sniping. I've won most of my auctions > in the last >> few minutes. But I've also seen an awful lot of them just climb > out of sight >> as some bidders get hot and are unwilling to "lose" regardless > of what they >> ultimately pay. The sniping is not proof of shilling, but my > knowing that an >> item can be purchased at retail for less than it's going for at bid is > adequate proof to me that the price is too high. > >Has anyone noticed the prices people pay for TrackPoint caps on eBay? I saw one auction where someone paid $15 plus $4.20 shipping for *ONE* cap. The guy that sells these caps usually gets $6 + $4.20 for one cap. And he's buying them from IBM at $5 for two caps with free shipping, just like anyone else can. Go figure. > >-Mike ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Dec 2 10:43:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA11737 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:43:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12779; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12638; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12625; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:23 -0500 Received: from 209-122-227-189.s189.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.227.189] helo=richard) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11tYMD-0006Xx-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991202103927.00abd7a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:41:35 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: w2k / modem / 570 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of win2k, I have beta 3 (build 2031) installed on my 570. 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From cph Thu Dec 2 11:31:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12050 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16629; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:29:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16512; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16470; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (199.60.229.8 -> rabacal.direct.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:28:38 -0500 Received: from west-53-0152.direct.ca ([216.66.143.148] helo=direct.ca) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 11tZ5o-0005dn-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: <38469DE7.8EF155A4@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 08:27:19 -0800 From: Kris Cyganiak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: THINKPAD Liquidation Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0FD8028BE830A834EED367EF" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0FD8028BE830A834EED367EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM Thinkpad Liquidation. Started Dec 01,1999. See attached text file for full details. Thx. --------------0FD8028BE830A834EED367EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Notebooks Dec 01,1999.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Notebooks Dec 01,1999.txt" Western Computers Delta, BC, Canada Phone: #604-940-2838 Email: westcomp@netscape.net Notebook Liquidation: Call: Sharla or Art December 01, 1999 *** Call for Latest Price Updates *** *** All Notebooks "In Stock" Immediate Availability*** Accessories: Price: (CAN) (USD) TP 770 DVD Drive: - TP 770 DVD CD-Rom Drive Module for all Thinkpad 770 Series. N $498.00 $345.00 TP 770 Enh Video Adpt: - TP 770/E (EVA) Hardware MPEG-2 Playback, Dolby 3D Audio & Video In/Out. N $198.00 $135.00 NEC Versa SX DVD: - Includes DVD Drive & Hardware DVD Decoding Card with Video Out. N $598.00 $415.00 IBM Thinkpad: Thinkpad 770 Series: "Top of the Line" IBM Units Priced Below Whsle. 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W95 N $2,498.00 $1722.00 *** FOB Delta, BC, Canada - All Prices are Net - Shipping & Taxes Not Included *** *** Prices Subject to Change - Please Call or Email for Latest Prices - Liquidation Qty Limited*** *** Prices do not include GST or PST Taxes and are "Cash Discounted", Please add 2% for Visa/Mastercard & 1% Cheque *** *** We Carry: New (N), New Display Model (ND) and Factory Refurbished (FR) Units. - All with Full Factory Warranties *** *** Note: (ND) New Display Models May Not Include Mfg Packaging, Manuals etc - Please Call For Details *** --------------0FD8028BE830A834EED367EF-- From cph Thu Dec 2 12:43:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12411 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:43:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22942; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:40:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22602; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22469; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:37:21 -0500 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:56990 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512716-9562>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:36:00 -0500 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:3101 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324675-19204>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:36:58 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202123655.00ac51e0@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: nractc03@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:36:55 -0500 To: "Jeffrey Baker" From: Tom Trottier Subject: Re: Misappropriated (?) TP600 Cc: In-Reply-To: <002b01bf3c27$d5401100$0200a8c0@Laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I agree, but sometimes the Last Seconds are at awkward or forgotten times.... You can also bid just 1 cent over the penultimate bid & win, if you go up, little bit by little bit... Tom At 13:13 1999/12/01 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >There used to be an EBay Underground FAQ that gave information on how to win >on EBay, but I think the page has disappeared. However, the main point it >made is that there is no point in bidding before the last 10 - 15 seconds; >figure out your best price, set up your pages to bid, and hit the button in >those last seconds. Bidding earlier only drives up the price. -- JB ----------------------------------------------- Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com From cph Thu Dec 2 12:43:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12415 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:43:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22934; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:41:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22747; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22697; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:41:24 -0500 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:56990 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512732-9568>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:39:29 -0500 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:3145 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324675-19206>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:40:31 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202124028.00accb10@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: nractc03@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:40:28 -0500 To: "Michael Geary" From: Tom Trottier Subject: RE: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <04dd01bf3bba$5a1848c0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:16 1999/12/01 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: ... >Has anyone noticed the prices people pay for TrackPoint caps on eBay? I saw >one auction where someone paid $15 plus $4.20 shipping for *ONE* cap. The >guy that sells these caps usually gets $6 + $4.20 for one cap. And he's >buying them from IBM at $5 for two caps with free shipping, just like >anyone else can. Go figure. Information has a price/value. Perfect information has infinite price. Tom ----------------------------------------------- Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com From cph Thu Dec 2 12:48:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12436 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:48:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23544; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23432; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23419; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:30 -0500 Received: from rcf-fs.usc.edu (root@rcf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.19.166]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id JAA12243; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-051.usc.edu [128.125.224.51]) by rcf-fs.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id JAA16782; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991202094257.00ceb730@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:44:06 -0800 To: Adam Quantrill From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re[4]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA12437 At 02:14 PM 12/02/1999 +0000, you wrote: >For the real afficionados of rough trackpoint caps I was thinking of >offering the > >Diamond-Tipped Trackpoint Cap > > >Cost: £10, lifetime guarantee. Encrusted with industrial-grade diamonds. >After all, your finger grows back, your trackpoint doesn't! I know this is probably a joke...but truthfully, if it *did* last forever, I'd pay the $20-ish (approximate currency conversion) for it! - Randal Whittle From cph Thu Dec 2 13:50:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12813 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29133; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:46:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28917; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28892; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:46:00 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax7.vramp.net [198.138.8.70]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15361; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08e801bf3cf5$a6db57b0$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Adam Quantrill" , , "STeve Andre'" References: Subject: Re: Re[4]: Prices at eBay auctions (TrackPoint caps ) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA29133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA12814 "Adam Quantrill" wrote: > For the real afficionados of rough trackpoint caps I was thinking of offering the > > Diamond-Tipped Trackpoint Cap > > Cost: £10, lifetime guarantee. Encrusted with industrial-grade diamonds. After all, > your finger grows back, your trackpoint doesn't! I don't know about the Trackpoint Caps Adam, but if you made a bog roll like that I _know_ my wife would buy some! Regards, James From cph Fri Dec 3 00:55:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17079 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:55:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09924; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09818; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09800; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:17 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-132.gate.net [207.36.212.132]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA54922; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:04 -0500 Message-ID: <38475AD4.2673891B@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:53:24 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Cyganiak CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: THINKPAD Liquidation References: <38469DE7.8EF155A4@direct.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4DB074465601BB03F2BFD833" List-Unsubscribe: --------------4DB074465601BB03F2BFD833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting.. the list shows a 770Z with a P-II 366 and a 25gig drive..??????? and a 770X P-II 300, 25gig drive..??!!! Kris Cyganiak wrote: > IBM Thinkpad Liquidation. Started Dec 01,1999. > > See attached text file for full details. > > Thx. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Western Computers > Delta, BC, Canada > Phone: #604-940-2838 > Email: westcomp@netscape.net > > Notebook Liquidation: > Call: Sharla or Art December 01, 1999 > > *** Call for Latest Price Updates *** > *** All Notebooks "In Stock" Immediate Availability*** > > Accessories: Price: (CAN) (USD) > > TP 770 DVD Drive: - TP 770 DVD CD-Rom Drive Module for all Thinkpad 770 Series. N $498.00 $345.00 > TP 770 Enh Video Adpt: - TP 770/E (EVA) Hardware MPEG-2 Playback, Dolby 3D Audio & Video In/Out. N $198.00 $135.00 > NEC Versa SX DVD: - Includes DVD Drive & Hardware DVD Decoding Card with Video Out. N $598.00 $415.00 > > IBM Thinkpad: Thinkpad 770 Series: "Top of the Line" IBM Units Priced Below Whsle. > Thinkpad 770Z DVD: - PII366mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $5,798.00 $3998.00 > Thinkpad 770X DVD: - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $4,998.00 $3445.00 > Thinkpad 770X DVD: - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MEW. W98 N $4,898.00 $3375.00 > Thinkpad 770X: - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW. W98 N $4,398.00 $3035.00 > > Thinkpad 770Z DVD: - PII366mhz 128mb 14.1GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $4,798.00 $3308.00 > Thinkpad 770Z: - PII366mhz 128mb 14.1GB 24X 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $4,498.00 $3102.00 > Thinkpad 770X DVD: - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $3,998.00 $2757.00 > Thinkpad 770X DVD: - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $3,898.00 $2688.00 > Thinkpad 770X: - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW. NT/98 N $3,598.00 $2485.00 > Thinkpad 770X: - PII300mhz 64mb 8.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW. NT/98 N $3,398.00 $2345.00 > Thinkpad 770X: - PII300mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW. W98 N $3,098.00 $2135.00 > > Thinkpad 770E DVD: - PII266mhz 96mb 5.1GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mb/EVA) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $3,398.00 $2345.00 > Thinkpad 770E: - PII266mhz 96mb 5.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $2,998.00 $2068.00 > Thinkpad 770E: - PII266mhz 96mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $2,898.00 $1998.00 > Thinkpad 770E: - PII266mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $2,798.00 $1929.00 > Thinkpad 770E: - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $2,698.00 $1860.00 > Thinkpad 770E: - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 N $2,598.00 $1791.00 > > Thinkpad 600E: - PII300mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $3,498.00 $2412.00 > Thinkpad 600E: - PII300mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W98 N $3,398.00 $2343.00 > Thinkpad 600: - PII266mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 ND $2,898.00 $1998.00 > Thinkpad 600: - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW. W95 ND $2,798.00 $1929.00 > > NEC: NEC: "Versa SX" Notebooks Just 1.3" Thin & 4.8lbs Light. > Versa SX: - Cel366mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active 56k Lith-Ion /3Yr. W95 N $2,698.00 $1860.00 > Versa SX: - Cel366mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active Lith-Ion /3Yr. W95 N $2,598.00 $1791.00 > Versa SX: - Cel366mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active Lith-Ion /3Yr. W95 N $2,498.00 $1722.00 > > *** FOB Delta, BC, Canada - All Prices are Net - Shipping & Taxes Not Included *** > *** Prices Subject to Change - Please Call or Email for Latest Prices - Liquidation Qty Limited*** > *** Prices do not include GST or PST Taxes and are "Cash Discounted", Please add 2% for Visa/Mastercard & 1% Cheque *** > *** We Carry: New (N), New Display Model (ND) and Factory Refurbished (FR) Units. - All with Full Factory Warranties *** > *** Note: (ND) New Display Models May Not Include Mfg Packaging, Manuals etc - Please Call For Details *** > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net --------------4DB074465601BB03F2BFD833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting..
the list shows a 770Z with a P-II 366 and a 25gig drive..???????
and a 770X P-II 300, 25gig drive..??!!!
 

Kris Cyganiak wrote:

IBM Thinkpad Liquidation.  Started Dec 01,1999.

See attached text file for full details.

Thx.

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                                Western Computers
                                Delta, BC, Canada
                                Phone: #604-940-2838
                                Email: westcomp@netscape.net

Notebook Liquidation:
                                Call: Sharla or Art         December 01, 1999

                                *** Call for Latest Price Updates ***
                                *** All Notebooks "In Stock" Immediate Availability***

Accessories:                                                                                            Price:  (CAN)           (USD)

TP 770 DVD Drive:       - TP 770 DVD CD-Rom Drive Module for all Thinkpad 770 Series.                   N       $498.00         $345.00
TP 770 Enh Video Adpt:  - TP 770/E (EVA) Hardware MPEG-2 Playback, Dolby 3D Audio & Video In/Out.       N       $198.00         $135.00
NEC Versa SX DVD:       - Includes DVD Drive & Hardware DVD Decoding Card with Video Out.               N       $598.00         $415.00

IBM Thinkpad:           Thinkpad 770 Series: "Top of the Line" IBM Units Priced Below Whsle.
Thinkpad 770Z DVD:      - PII366mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W98     N       $5,798.00       $3998.00
Thinkpad 770X DVD:      - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W98     N       $4,998.00       $3445.00
Thinkpad 770X DVD:      - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MEW.      W98     N       $4,898.00       $3375.00
Thinkpad 770X:          - PII300mhz 128mb 25GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW.    W98     N       $4,398.00       $3035.00

Thinkpad 770Z DVD:      - PII366mhz 128mb 14.1GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.    W98     N       $4,798.00       $3308.00
Thinkpad 770Z:          - PII366mhz 128mb 14.1GB 24X 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.    W98     N       $4,498.00       $3102.00
Thinkpad 770X DVD:      - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB DVD 13.7"Active (8mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.     W98     N       $3,998.00       $2757.00
Thinkpad 770X DVD:      - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.     W98     N       $3,898.00       $2688.00
Thinkpad 770X:          - PII300mhz 128mb 8.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW.   NT/98   N       $3,598.00       $2485.00
Thinkpad 770X:          - PII300mhz 64mb 8.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW.    NT/98   N       $3,398.00       $2345.00
Thinkpad 770X:          - PII300mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mbAGP) 56k Lith-Ion/MFW.    W98     N       $3,098.00       $2135.00

Thinkpad 770E DVD:      - PII266mhz 96mb 5.1GB DVD 14.1"Active (4mb/EVA) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.     W95     N       $3,398.00       $2345.00
Thinkpad 770E:          - PII266mhz 96mb 5.1GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W95     N       $2,998.00       $2068.00
Thinkpad 770E:          - PII266mhz 96mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W95     N       $2,898.00       $1998.00
Thinkpad 770E:          - PII266mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W95     N       $2,798.00       $1929.00
Thinkpad 770E:          - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.      W95     N       $2,698.00       $1860.00
Thinkpad 770E:          - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active (4mb) Lith-Ion /MFW.          W95     N       $2,598.00       $1791.00

Thinkpad 600E:          - PII300mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.            W98     N       $3,498.00       $2412.00
Thinkpad 600E:          - PII300mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.            W98     N       $3,398.00       $2343.00
Thinkpad 600:           - PII266mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.            W95     ND      $2,898.00       $1998.00
Thinkpad 600:           - PII266mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 13.3"Active 56k Lith-Ion /MFW.            W95     ND      $2,798.00       $1929.00

NEC:                    NEC: "Versa SX" Notebooks Just 1.3" Thin & 4.8lbs Light.
Versa SX:               - Cel366mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active 56k Lith-Ion /3Yr.            W95     N       $2,698.00       $1860.00
Versa SX:               - Cel366mhz 64mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active Lith-Ion /3Yr.                W95     N       $2,598.00       $1791.00
Versa SX:               - Cel366mhz 32mb 4.0GB 24X-CD 14.1"Active Lith-Ion /3Yr.                W95     N       $2,498.00       $1722.00

*** FOB Delta, BC, Canada - All Prices are Net - Shipping & Taxes Not Included ***
*** Prices Subject to Change - Please Call or Email for Latest Prices - Liquidation Qty Limited***
*** Prices do not include GST or PST Taxes and are "Cash Discounted", Please add 2% for Visa/Mastercard & 1% Cheque ***
*** We Carry: New (N), New Display Model (ND) and Factory Refurbished (FR) Units. - All with Full Factory Warranties ***
*** Note: (ND) New Display Models May Not Include Mfg Packaging, Manuals etc - Please Call For Details ***
 
 
 

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
  --------------4DB074465601BB03F2BFD833-- From cph Fri Dec 3 02:27:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17367 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:27:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13229; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:24:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13136; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13122; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:24:38 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 3 Dec 1999 02:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bf3d56$6b4db600$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:19:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hey there, At first I was getting a lot of friction in regards to getting my drive replaced from IBM, but I later found out that they get a lot of ppl who forget the HDD passwd and expect them to replace it. Well that wasn't my case; I sent it to IBM EZServe and it came back not accepting it. Well I finally found a technician in the RADE dept. who understood my case and ordered a new drive for me. Cool part was he said that since this machine is as old as it is, I may end up with a larger drive than the 2.1 that came with it due to availability! Sweet. So if you ever talk to a William in the RADE dept., you'v got a good guy on your side... Thanks IBM! -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 09:12:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18593 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:12:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08236; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08121; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08082; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:10:09 -0500 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19427 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:10:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from netscape.net ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19423 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:10:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3847CEBF.13F06AAE@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:07:59 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: So IBM didn't have any solution for you to remove the password or to get it to accept the correct one? That's scary. Good thing you had a good backup of your data. Slip wrote: > Hey there, > At first I was getting a lot of friction in regards to getting my drive > replaced from IBM, but I later found out that they get a lot of ppl who > forget the HDD passwd and expect them to replace it. Well that wasn't my > case; I sent it to IBM EZServe and it came back not accepting it. Well I > finally found a technician in the RADE dept. who understood my case and > ordered a new drive for me. Cool part was he said that since this machine is > as old as it is, I may end up with a larger drive than the 2.1 that came > with it due to availability! Sweet. So if you ever talk to a William in the > RADE dept., you'v got a good guy on your side... > > Thanks IBM! > -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 09:22:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18678 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:22:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08929; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08851; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08838; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:37 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax16.vramp.net [198.138.8.79]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05379; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0b4a01bf3d99$ad476090$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Rob Bell" , References: <3847CEBF.13F06AAE@netscape.net> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:21:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Rob Bell" wrote: > So IBM didn't have any solution for you to remove the password or to get > it to accept the correct one? That's scary. Good thing you had a good > backup of your data. Also further proof to never, EVER send your hard drive in to EZ-Serve! Regards, James From cph Fri Dec 3 11:09:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19397 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:09:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18007; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:07:41 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17858; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:07:41 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id KAA16426 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09469; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (209.226.175.140 -> tomts2.bellnexxia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:44:02 -0500 Received: from sympatico.ca ([209.226.107.234]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <19991203054357.FWDZ29836.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <384758A4.67609D34@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:44:05 -0500 From: Rich Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 Won't Suspend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi kids, Name's Rich. One of your friendly neighbourhood lurkers. I've got a TP560 2640-10U (72M, 2G, P133) running Win 95 OSR2 with a Motorola Mariner combo 28.8 modem and ethernet PC card. The last couple of weeks ole "Stinky" has been weirding out on me bigtime, so I finally broke down and reinstalled W95 and all the other bloatware. Amazing, how much much more sprightly the machine is now. If you've been running 95 for a while, I urge you to try the occasional reinstall. Problem is, I can't make the friggin thing suspend any more. Start->Suspend, Fn-F4 and the Stop button on the PC Card (PCMCIA) Properties control panel all freeze the machine but good. I've heard there can be problems suspending laptops with PC card ethernet cards under 95, but what bugs me is that Suspend used to work before I reinstalled everything. I've tried installing different versions of the Motorola drivers, and fiddling with various settings, but all to no avail. Has anybody out there experienced the same thing? I'm pretty much at my wit's end now. TIA for all your help, Rich PS: If you feel this problem isn't really Thinkpad specific, kindly mail me privately: nirvanah-boy@sympatico.ca. And thanks to all regular contributors for making this list such a good read. You kids are alright. From cph Fri Dec 3 11:17:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19443 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:17:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18861; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:16:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18749; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18727; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.41 -> www0l.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:16:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 7177 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 1999 16:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.41 by www0l for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Dec 3 16:16:34 GMT 1999 Date: 3 Dec 99 10:16:34 CST From: Rob Bell To: Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA19444 "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > "Rob Bell" wrote: > > > So IBM didn't have any solution for you to remove the password or to get > > it to accept the correct one? That's scary. Good thing you had a good > > backup of your data. > > Also further proof to never, EVER send your hard drive in to EZ-Serve! > > Regards, > > James That is very true. However, it may not have helped in this case. If the problem is an incompatibility between the HD and the new system board then it would still be there even if the drive didn't go along to EZ-Serve. Come to think of it, maybe it would be worth checking the drive in another Thinkpad to see if it would work? Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Dec 3 12:00:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19786 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:00:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22247; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22136; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22116; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:57:52 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax28.vramp.net [198.138.8.91]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18681; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0bfe01bf3daf$aa38bf00$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Rob Bell" References: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Rob Bell" wrote: "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > Also further proof to never, EVER send your hard drive in to EZ-Serve! > > That is very true. However, it may not have helped in this case. If the > problem is an incompatibility between the HD and the new system board then it > would still be there even if the drive didn't go along to EZ-Serve. I didn't get the impression that the drive was now incompatible, but that the password had been changed by EZ-Serve. The system board doesn't know (nor care) if there's a password on the HD TTBMK. I go through this all the time when I work on my wife's 600 which has; 1) POP, 2) HD PW, 3) NT4 PW and 4) a separate Lotus Notes PW. > Come to think of it, maybe it would be worth checking the drive in another > Thinkpad to see if it would work? You'd get the same response, i.e. the drive would request the PW on bootup, whether or not there was a BIOS PW. Otherwise, a HD PW could be overcome by simply putting the drive in another machine. Regards, James From cph Fri Dec 3 13:38:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20550 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:38:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16083; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:33:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15895; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15878; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:33:34 -0500 Received: from 139-142-112-174.islandnet.com ([139.142.112.174]) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 11txWB-0000fR-00 ; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:33:19 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: nirvanah-boy@sympatico.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 Won't Suspend Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:24:26 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <384758A4.67609D34@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <384758A4.67609D34@sympatico.ca> Lines: 53 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: > >I've got a TP560 2640-10U (72M, 2G, P133) running Win >95 OSR2 with a Motorola Mariner combo 28.8 modem and >ethernet PC card. > >The last couple of weeks ole "Stinky" has been weirding >out on me bigtime, so I finally broke down and reinstalled >W95 and all the other bloatware. Amazing, how much much >more sprightly the machine is now. If you've been running >95 for a while, I urge you to try the occasional reinstall. > >Problem is, I can't make the friggin thing suspend any more. >Start->Suspend, Fn-F4 and the Stop button on the PC Card >(PCMCIA) Properties control panel all freeze the machine >but good. I've had some problems suspending my 701 (also Windows 95a) but not recently. I use an IBM PCMCIA Home and Away card for ethernet, and an IBM PCMCIA 33.6 modem for telecommunications. Each works perfectly, but I can't use them at the same time because the dongle of the Home and Away would need to be in the same spot as the butterfly keyboard (if in the top PCMCIA slot) or the dongle of the modem (if in the bottom PCMCIA slot). Anyway, they work fine, and at the moment "Suspend" works fine, too. > >I've heard there can be problems suspending laptops with >PC card ethernet cards under 95, Have you tried reinstalling the Service Pack and all of the bug fixes? There is a site (maybe more than one site, but not at Microsoft!), which tells you which ones to do and in what order. That's one reason I'm loathe to reinstall. It takes longer to do the bug fixes than the operating system, because frequently you have to reboot after each fix. There "ought to be" a batch file that reboots for you ... FWIW, I use DUN 1.3. >but what bugs me is >that Suspend used to work before I reinstalled everything. >I've tried installing different versions of the Motorola drivers, >and fiddling with various settings, but all to no avail. Has >anybody out there experienced the same thing? I'm pretty >much at my wit's end now. > -- cheers Jonathan From cph Fri Dec 3 13:51:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20647 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:51:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17333; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:48:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17203; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17184; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.56 -> ww156.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:48:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 9878 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 1999 18:48:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19991203184807.9877.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.56 by ww156 for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Dec 3 18:48:07 GMT 1999 Date: 3 Dec 99 12:48:07 CST From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA20648 I guess I didn't get that impression from earlier posts. It sounded like the HD was working fine before EZ-Serve and now the machine, with the new system board, won't accept the HD password. EZ-Serve couldn't change the HD password without knowing the old one, so that didn't seem likely. I just thought that if the new system board was causing the incompatibility then putting the drive in another TP might allow the real password to be accepted (and then removed). Just an idea... Rob > I didn't get the impression that the drive was now incompatible, but that > the password had been changed by EZ-Serve. The system board doesn't know > (nor care) if there's a password on the HD TTBMK. > > I go through this all the time when I work on my wife's 600 which has; 1) > POP, 2) HD PW, 3) NT4 PW and 4) a separate Lotus Notes PW. > > > Come to think of it, maybe it would be worth checking the drive in another > > Thinkpad to see if it would work? > > You'd get the same response, i.e. the drive would request the PW on bootup, > whether or not there was a BIOS PW. Otherwise, a HD PW could be overcome by > simply putting the drive in another machine. > > Regards, > > James ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Dec 3 15:25:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21496 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:25:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26167; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26010; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25978; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:06 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 3 Dec 1999 15:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003201bf3dc3$4a98ace0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Rob Bell" , References: <3847CEBF.13F06AAE@netscape.net> <0b4a01bf3d99$ad476090$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:19:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Also further proof to never, EVER send your hard drive in to EZ-Serve! I thought the same thing. However the paper included with the empty box said to ship anything needed to re-create the problem. I didn't want to complicate things by not sending the HDD Regards, -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 15:25:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21500 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:25:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26175; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:23:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25870; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25825; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:44 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 3 Dec 1999 15:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01bf3dc3$1d3087a0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "Rob Bell" , References: <3847CEBF.13F06AAE@netscape.net> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Yes actually they did. The first thing that they said would work would be to set the supervisor passwd to the same as the old HDD password. This would override the HDD passwd. However in my case, that didn't work. The RADE technician suggested that maybe the bad system board did something to the ROM on the HDD which did this. It would be kinda nice if they would at *least* put some kind of back-door in the ROM so that you could send the drive to them to be reset... -Jamie > So IBM didn't have any solution for you to remove the password or to get > it to > accept the correct one? That's scary. Good thing you had a good backup > of your > data. From cph Fri Dec 3 15:27:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21516 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26382; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26293; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26269; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:00 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 3 Dec 1999 15:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01bf3dc3$92d96120$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "Rob Bell" , References: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:21:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: >Come to think of it, maybe it would be worth checking the drive in another >Thinkpad to see if it would work? Yes, I am looking into doing just that. If anyone would like to offer to check it in their machine, I'd be more than happy to pay for shipping and all(of course). Anyone? Don't know of anyone personally who owns one. -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 15:31:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21565 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:31:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26977; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26818; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26745; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:28 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 3 Dec 1999 15:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004201bf3dc4$0ecc0800$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , References: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> <0bfe01bf3daf$aa38bf00$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I didn't get the impression that the drive was now incompatible, but that > the password had been changed by EZ-Serve. The system board doesn't know > (nor care) if there's a password on the HD TTBMK. Well from what IBM told me, they are not allowed to change any password on the system while in service. I sorta thought the same thing because I did include the password with the return form. The system went crazy so there was no way for me to clear the passwd's...I dunno, maybe the ribon cable on the drive shell?? Just tossing suggestions out at this point. :-) -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 15:31:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21569 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:31:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26988; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26812; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26799; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.19 -> mtiwgwc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:43 -0500 Received: from kaste ([12.75.199.146]) by mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991203202940.OFCQ26074@kaste> for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:29:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001401bf3dcc$e07bdda0$92c74b0c@kaste> From: "Kaste" To: Subject: Thinkpad 355C Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 355C ThinkPad and I just purchased a hard drive off a man who owned a ThinkPad 760C. It is 720mb. When I put it in it will not boot and gives me an error, and the bios will not let me specify any settings for the drive. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Garrett Kaste. From cph Fri Dec 3 15:33:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21590 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:33:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27303; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:05 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27223; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:04 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id PAA17445 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Moore Message-Id: <199912032022.PAA17445@astro.cs.utk.edu> To: undisclosed-recipients:; List-Unsubscribe: From cph Fri Dec 3 15:34:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21595 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:34:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27440; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:37 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27360; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:32:37 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id PAA17456 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22266; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (209.226.175.139 -> tomts1.bellnexxia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:35:42 -0500 Received: from sympatico.ca ([209.226.107.234]) by tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <19991203193541.IEAG4589.tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38481B94.C68EB272@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:35:49 -0500 From: Rich Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 Won't Suspend References: <384758A4.67609D34@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jonathan, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know of any Service Packs for OSR2, but your comments did get me to thinking... So I surfed over to the Microsoft site, and, lo and behold, I found something called the "Windows 95 OEM SR2 Update for Proper Plug and Play Operation with Multifunction CardBus Cards". How's that for a mouthful? I don't even know what a "CardBus" card is (did they change the name PCMCIA again?) and the documentation didn't mention anything about Suspend problems specifically, but I tried it anyway and... it worked like a charm. Mr. Stinky's insomnia is now a thing of the past! If you've been running 95 for awhile, I urge you to try a reinstall. Yes, it's royally tedious (it took me two days to get everything back up and running again) but it is worthwhile. The bloatware has a weird way of building up over time and it IS performance degrading. The downside is that you will no longer have time enough to get a coffee at each reboot :-) Thanks again, and have a great weekend, Rich From cph Fri Dec 3 15:41:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21650 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:41:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28351; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:38:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28185; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28172; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:38:36 -0500 Received: from user-38lcj48.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcj48.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.76.136]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA30670 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:38:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912032038.PAA30670@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:39:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <0b4a01bf3d99$ad476090$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved List-Unsubscribe: I once sent in my TP to EZ Serve for a bad Mwave modem, and they replaced the hard drive! Never touched the modem! Never found my drive, either. On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:21:22 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >"Rob Bell" wrote: > >> So IBM didn't have any solution for you to remove the password or to get >> it to accept the correct one? That's scary. Good thing you had a good >> backup of your data. > >Also further proof to never, EVER send your hard drive in to EZ-Serve! > >Regards, > >James > From cph Fri Dec 3 15:52:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21741 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:52:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29587; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:49:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29486; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29461; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 3 Dec 1999 15:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <007001bf3dc6$da16a7c0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Win98 on TP760ED? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:44:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Being that I'm going to do a reload anyways, anyone have Win98 running on a 760ED? I only have 32mb RAM and I don't know how well a 133Mhz would hold up. If not that, what about Win95B? I had some major problems with OSR2(95B) which were solved when I replaced it with 95a. Maybe it was just my luck...:-) Any comments/suggestions appreciated. RedHat Linux runs very nice on this laptop so I definatly plan on replacing that as well..... Regards, -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 15:55:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21771 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:55:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00062; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29975; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29959; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:37 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax38.vramp.net [198.138.8.101]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08697; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0c8101bf3dd0$917aa890$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Rob Bell" , References: <19991203184807.9877.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:54:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Rob Bell" wrote: "I guess I didn't get that impression from earlier posts. It sounded like the HD was working fine before EZ-Serve and now the machine, with the new system board, won't accept the HD password. EZ-Serve couldn't change the HD password without knowing the old one, so that didn't seem likely. I just thought that if the new system board was causing the incompatibility then putting the drive in another TP might allow the real password to be accepted (and then removed)." I don't have his original post anymore, but the way I remembered it was that he sent the drive and all his passwords along with the unit. EZ-Serve couldn't have done anything to the machine without the HD PW, it wouldn't have booted for them. Nor could they have changed the existing PW without it. Sad to say, but if you lose your HD PW, it's now a paperweight. Anyway, apparently the problem is resolved as he was able to get the "new" PW from EZ-Serve. Regards, James From cph Fri Dec 3 16:07:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21867 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:07:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00997; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00889; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00875; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:15 -0500 Received: from andres (pm526-31.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.33]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19006 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:05:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991203160516.00a30380@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:05:16 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Win98 on TP760ED? In-Reply-To: <007001bf3dc6$da16a7c0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm not sure why you'd want to. I have yet to see an end-user reason why 98 should be used over 95, other than USB support. Call me a cynic, but every person in my department who has gone to Win98 has had various problems and most have reported that their systems feel slower. I've heard others report problems between 95a and B, as well. But overall, I think I prefer Win95--its more stable and I wish to hell I could get the drivers for it for my two thinkpads (1451 and 1480). --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 02:44 PM 12/3/1999 -0500, Slip wrote: >Hi, > Being that I'm going to do a reload anyways, anyone have Win98 running >on a 760ED? I only have 32mb RAM and I don't know how well a 133Mhz would >hold up. If not that, what about Win95B? I had some major problems with >OSR2(95B) which were solved when I replaced it with 95a. Maybe it was just >my luck...:-) Any comments/suggestions appreciated. RedHat Linux runs very >nice on this laptop so I definatly plan on replacing that as well..... > >Regards, >-Jamie From cph Fri Dec 3 16:32:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22050 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:32:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02870; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:29:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02733; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02710; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:29:20 -0500 Received: from andres (pm526-31.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.33]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA31300 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:29:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991203162918.00a36760@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:29:18 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: question about disk passwords In-Reply-To: <0c8101bf3dd0$917aa890$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> References: <19991203184807.9877.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Can someone explain the "hd" password system to me? If you set a password on the disk, does that filter down into the controller itself, such that all referances to the disk are en/deciphered through some piece of hardware? Thats what it sounds like to me. Thus, if you forget your HD password (or if whatever memory holds it goes wonky), you'd be able to take that disk out of the unit, stick it on some other computer, but reading it would be gibberish. Do I have that right? Am I missing anything? If I understand this right its kinda neat, but you a REALLY trusting that magical piece of memory that holds the disk pw to never get scrambled in any way... --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 03:54 PM 12/3/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: [snip] >Sad to say, but if you lose your HD PW, it's now a paperweight. Anyway, >apparently the problem is resolved as he was able to get the "new" PW from >EZ-Serve. > >Regards, > >James From cph Fri Dec 3 17:31:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA22404 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:31:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07890; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:30:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07783; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07770; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:30:12 -0500 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.213.103]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <1999120322300824306ecsoqe>; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:30:09 +0000 Message-ID: <384843D6.90272F98@basterfield.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:27:34 +0000 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kaste CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 355C References: <001401bf3dcc$e07bdda0$92c74b0c@kaste> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BIOS update. Early BIOS did not support hard drives larger than ~500MB. You want the 'system program service diskette' for the 355 available by following the links at http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html Cheers, Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm Kaste wrote: > > I have a 355C ThinkPad and I just purchased a hard drive off a man who owned > a ThinkPad 760C. It is 720mb. When I put it in it will not boot and gives > me an error, and the bios will not let me specify any settings for the > drive. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks > Garrett Kaste. From cph Fri Dec 3 18:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22718 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:21:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10973; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:15:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10749; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10731; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (199.239.18.15 -> needToKnowBasis.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:15:42 -0500 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question about disk passwords X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: "Steve Hultquist" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:22:51 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/03/99 04:22:54 PM, Serialize complete at 12/03/99 04:22:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007FD9B78725683C_=" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007FD9B78725683C_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is correct. Some time ago one of the members of this list actually tried this. And all they saw were 0s on the disk, as I recall. ssh "STeve Andre'" 12/03/99 02:29 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: question about disk passwords Can someone explain the "hd" password system to me? If you set a password on the disk, does that filter down into the controller itself, such that all referances to the disk are en/deciphered through some piece of hardware? Thats what it sounds like to me. Thus, if you forget your HD password (or if whatever memory holds it goes wonky), you'd be able to take that disk out of the unit, stick it on some other computer, but reading it would be gibberish. Do I have that right? Am I missing anything? If I understand this right its kinda neat, but you a REALLY trusting that magical piece of memory that holds the disk pw to never get scrambled in any way... --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 03:54 PM 12/3/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: [snip] >Sad to say, but if you lose your HD PW, it's now a paperweight. Anyway, >apparently the problem is resolved as he was able to get the "new" PW from >EZ-Serve. > >Regards, > >James --=_alternative 007FD9B78725683C_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
That is correct. Some time ago one of the members of this list actually tried this. And all they saw were 0s on the disk, as I recall.

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"STeve Andre'" <andres@msu.edu>

12/03/99 02:29 PM

       
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        Subject:        question about disk passwords


Can someone explain the "hd" password system to me?  If you set a password
on the disk, does that filter down into the controller itself, such that
all referances to the disk are en/deciphered through some piece of hardware?
Thats what it sounds like to me.  Thus, if you forget your HD password (or
if whatever memory holds it goes wonky), you'd be able to take that disk
out of the unit, stick it on some other computer, but reading it would be
gibberish.
Do I have that right?  Am I missing anything?  If I understand this right
its kinda neat, but you a REALLY trusting that magical piece of memory that
holds the disk pw to never get scrambled in any way...
--STeve Andre'
andres@msu.edu
At 03:54 PM 12/3/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
[snip]
>Sad to say, but if you lose your HD PW, it's now a paperweight. Anyway,
>apparently the problem is resolved as he was able to get the "new" PW from
>EZ-Serve.
>
>Regards,
>
>James


--=_alternative 007FD9B78725683C_=-- From cph Fri Dec 3 19:09:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23041 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:09:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14313; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:07:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14168; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14155; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.18 -> mtiwgwc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:07:09 -0500 Received: from kaste ([12.75.199.104]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991204000707.JBRH21197@kaste> for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:07:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bf3deb$47f969c0$68c74b0c@kaste> From: "Kaste" To: References: <001401bf3dcc$e07bdda0$92c74b0c@kaste> <384843D6.90272F98@basterfield.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 355C Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:05:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Thank you a lot. This did work and I can it is great with this new hard drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Basterfield To: Kaste Cc: Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad 355C > BIOS update. Early BIOS did not support hard drives larger than ~500MB. > > You want the 'system program service diskette' for the 355 available by > following the links at > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html > > Cheers, > Dan. > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm > > > Kaste wrote: > > > > I have a 355C ThinkPad and I just purchased a hard drive off a man who owned > > a ThinkPad 760C. It is 720mb. When I put it in it will not boot and gives > > me an error, and the bios will not let me specify any settings for the > > drive. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > Garrett Kaste. From cph Fri Dec 3 23:57:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA24274 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:57:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23802; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:55:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23718; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23705; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:55:35 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.16) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 3 Dec 1999 23:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <00a301bf3e07$52dd6f00$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Rob Bell" , References: <19991203184807.9877.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> <0c8101bf3dd0$917aa890$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I don't have his original post anymore, but the way I remembered it was that > he sent the drive and all his passwords along with the unit. Yes, I did. In the end the display was corrupted and I could not do anything about changing passwd. And because of this ***I filled in the password section of the return form WITH all my passwords*** -Jamie From cph Sat Dec 4 08:38:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA25315 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:38:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16849; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16711; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16698; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:11 -0500 Received: from user-38ld09r.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld09r.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.59]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12410 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912041337.IAA12410@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:37:47 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907121917.PAA78846@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Power Outtage -- TP battery List-Unsubscribe: Hello out there, I have a situation new to me. The TP760XL said to discharge/recharge the battery. I put that operation in gear. It discharged down to zero and was in process of starting the recharge when the power went out. Now, Windows 95 (B version) is hung. The desktop is back, but it has three dialogue boxes stacked on top of each other. The one on top says: "Please wait until Windows finalizes your computer settings." It has been stuck there for about 20 minutes. What has happened? Is the OS totally hosed? Is the battery totally hosed? Thanks in advance for any informatino you may provide. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 4 08:55:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA25348 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:55:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17575; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:54:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17499; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17486; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:54:18 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.81]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991204135406.CHYT2272@compaq>; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:54:06 +0000 Message-ID: <38494704.2072@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:53:24 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Power Outtage -- TP battery References: <199912041337.IAA12410@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Are you saying that the external power (Dock 2) went out? You would need to remove the 760 from the Dock and re-boot, it does not know if it is docked or undocked because it was not shut down properly. If you had a bad battery, it can clank the system when you discharge. I have seen this before, it is possible your battery is at the end of its life. Allan wrote: > > Hello out there, > > I have a situation new to me. > > The TP760XL said to discharge/recharge the battery. > > I put that operation in gear. > > It discharged down to zero and was in process of > starting the recharge when the power went out. > > Now, Windows 95 (B version) is hung. > > The desktop is back, but it has three > dialogue boxes stacked on top of > each other. > > The one on top says: > > "Please wait until Windows finalizes your > computer settings." > > It has been stuck there for about 20 minutes. > > What has happened? > > Is the OS totally hosed? > > Is the battery totally hosed? > > Thanks in advance for any informatino > you may provide. > > Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 4 10:00:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA25515 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19375; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19267; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19252; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:07 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax12.vramp.net [198.138.8.75]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11655; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf3e68$16a0a190$4b088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Allan " References: <199912041337.IAA12410@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Power Outtage -- TP battery Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Allan" wrote: > The TP760XL said to discharge/recharge the battery. > > I put that operation in gear. > > It discharged down to zero and was in process of > starting the recharge when the power went out. > > Now, Windows 95 (B version) is hung. I'm asuming that we're talking about the NI-Mh battery and not the LI-ION, as the latter does not require (nor respond well) to refreshing. First, pull the battery. Then turn off the power (if the power switch won't respond, use the reset switch). Once the power is off, replace the battery (make sure the battery's switch is ON) and wait for the charge light to come on while the computer is off. Once the indicator shows that the battery is charging, re-boot the computer but do NOT discharge/recharge the battery yet. Wait for the indicator to show that the battery is completely charged and then recycle the battery again. This will restore the batt's internal monitor. Good luck, James From cph Sat Dec 4 11:36:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25768 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:36:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22276; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:35:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22202; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22189; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:35:32 -0500 Received: from user-38ld09r.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld09r.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.59]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28840; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:35:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912041635.LAA28840@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <38494704.2072@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power Outtage -- TP battery List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to those who responded. The power to the entire house went out, including the Dock II. The TP rebooted to the desktop, then froze tight, complaining about the Dock as stated before. Finally, being an ignorant but old hand at Windose95 tomfoolery, I forced 'dose to let cntrl/alt/del kill off the top dialogue box. (They used to call us Hackers but that is a dirty word nowadays.) The underlying dialogue box then could be read. It said to discharge and recharge the battery. The battery was already at 0% but I discharged/recharged. After sitting in a coma for a long time, it suddenly decided to recharge and is now at 100%. I think this is the Li type battery. I think I am going to call Georgia Power and ask if my TP components are covered against their negligence. Allan Ballard -TP760CD -TP760XL - WARP FOREVER On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:53:24 -0800, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Are you saying that the external power (Dock 2) went out? >You would need to remove the 760 from the Dock and re-boot, it does not >know if it is docked or undocked because it was not shut down properly. >If you had a bad battery, it can clank the system when you discharge. I >have seen this before, it is possible your battery is at the end of >its life. > >Allan wrote: >> >> Hello out there, >> >> I have a situation new to me. >> >> The TP760XL said to discharge/recharge the battery. >> >> I put that operation in gear. >> >> It discharged down to zero and was in process of >> starting the recharge when the power went out. >> >> Now, Windows 95 (B version) is hung. >> >> The desktop is back, but it has three >> dialogue boxes stacked on top of >> each other. >> >> The one on top says: >> >> "Please wait until Windows finalizes your >> computer settings." >> >> It has been stuck there for about 20 minutes. >> >> What has happened? >> >> Is the OS totally hosed? >> >> Is the battery totally hosed? >> >> Thanks in advance for any informatino >> you may provide. >> >> Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 4 16:00:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26802 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:00:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07289; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:55:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07154; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07141; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:55:14 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.42 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:55:15 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01bf3e99$7e2f2300$2afb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: Subject: 560 Thinkpad Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:52:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF3E67.32669340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF3E67.32669340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do you enter the system configs at boot-up? 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF3E67.32669340-- From cph Sat Dec 4 16:51:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26974 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:51:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10383; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:48:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10307; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.igd.fhg.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10294; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.igd.fhg.de (153.97.128.43 -> monster.igd.fhg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:48:39 -0500 Received: from igd.fhg.de (intuition) by monster.igd.fhg.de (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA20079; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:48:34 +0100 Sender: starchik@igd.fhg.de Message-Id: <38498C2E.AB7F430C@igd.fhg.de> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:48:31 +0100 From: STARTCHIK Sergei Organization: Fraunhofer IGD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en, ru Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: VGA input at docking station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, At IBM's page of specifications for docking station 3454 http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/3454.htm I've found that this docking station has a VGA input. Does this mean that by connecting a vga output of another (desktop) computer to to this port one could use laptop's screen as an external monitor for the desktop computer??????? Thank you for your time S. From cph Sat Dec 4 18:29:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27308 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:29:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14764; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14647; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14634; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:31 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax14.vramp.net [198.138.8.77]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11923; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:27:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009001bf3eaf$446ac4b0$4b088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , References: <001a01bf3e99$7e2f2300$2afb163f@default> Subject: Re: 560 Thinkpad Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:28:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Brad Burean" wrote: > How do you enter the system configs at boot-up? > What key do you hold down? Easy-Setup is entered by holding F1 down while powering on the computer. Regards, James From cph Sat Dec 4 18:58:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27379 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:58:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16403; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:57:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16281; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16268; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:57:24 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust32.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.32]) id QQhsex21886 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:54:50 GMT Message-ID: <3849AA86.DF48D527@cheatriver.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:57:58 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen References: <001401bf3dcc$e07bdda0$92c74b0c@kaste> <384843D6.90272F98@basterfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone running Windows NT 4.0 on a 760ED w/XGA screen (9546-U9A? I can't seem to get the expand screen function to work in NT. I works OK in W95. Without it I working, I end up with something like an 8" diagonal, rather 12.x" that should be usable. Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Dec 4 19:49:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27552 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:49:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17882; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:47:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17809; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17796; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:47:28 -0500 Received: from tp560 (cb1341.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.5.11]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id BAA06701 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 01:47:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3849B6ED.D97@uhb.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:50:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 560z/770ed power bricks compatibility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I posted this (silly ?) question a few days ago but got no answer. So here I go again. :-) Could anyone tell me whether I can swap power bricks between a 770ed and a 560z ? I think the specs read the same, but you never know... Thanks a lot ! From cph Sun Dec 5 11:25:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06797 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:25:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22801; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:23:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22721; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22697; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:23:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 29236 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1999 16:23:41 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 29213 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1999 16:23:40 -0000 Received: from dialupw130.sttl.uswest.net (HELO c454306b) (216.160.86.130) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 16:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01bf3f3d$126ab040$8256a0d8@c454306b> From: "p machule" To: "STARTCHIK Sergei" , "thinkpad" References: <38498C2E.AB7F430C@igd.fhg.de> Subject: Re: VGA input at docking station 1 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:23:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: YES and No ;-} The VGA input requires the : >The IBM ThinkPad Analog-to-Digital Converter Adapter (AD/VC adapter) is one of the options for the Dock I. With the IBM >PS/2 ActionMedia II Display Adapter (ActionMedia II adapter), the AD/VC adapter enables the computer to run multimedia >applications. and the Action Media II Capture Option 69F9735 . It's a digitizer for the Dock 1 . It was very expensive and impossible to find. http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/3458.htm Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: STARTCHIK Sergei To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 1:48 PM Subject: VGA input at docking station > Hi, > > At IBM's page of specifications for docking station 3454 > http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/3454.htm > I've found that this docking station has a VGA input. > Does this mean that by connecting a vga output of another > (desktop) computer to to this port one could use laptop's screen > as an external monitor for the desktop computer??????? > > Thank you for your time > S. > From cph Sun Dec 5 12:22:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06969 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:22:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25036; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24934; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24914; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:37 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax2.vramp.net [198.138.8.65]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09691; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:20:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01bf3f45$29f1a9a0$41088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "p machule" , "STARTCHIK Sergei" , "thinkpad" References: <38498C2E.AB7F430C@igd.fhg.de> <001a01bf3f3d$126ab040$8256a0d8@c454306b> Subject: Re: VGA input at docking station 1 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:21:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "p machule" wrote: > YES and No ;-} More like No and No Peter. The connector Sergei is referring to is for video input IIRC. Works with the TPs that have video input/output, like the 755CD, 755CDV. Without a video toaster like the digitizer you mention, you can't feed VGA output into a Dock I/II. > The VGA input requires the : > It's a digitizer for the Dock 1 . > It was very expensive and impossible to find. Nor did it ever work very well from all that I've heard about. So Sergei, the answer is No. You can't feed the VGA output from a desktop directly into the Video input on a Dock I, it's for video (Camera, VCR, Video Output from a Monitor, etc.) , not VGA. Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 5 12:51:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07051 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:51:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26063; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:46:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25988; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25967; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:46:46 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00211; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Kathe Robin" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3849AA86.DF48D527@cheatriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Is anyone running Windows NT 4.0 on a 760ED w/XGA screen (9546-U9A? I've run it on a 760E/XGA (9546-U9B). > I can't seem to get the expand screen function to work in NT. I works > OK in W95. Without it I working, I end up with something like an 8" > diagonal, rather 12.x" that should be usable. Why don't you just set the screen resolution in NT to 1024x768? You'll need to install the IBM display driver, of course. Go to the IBM support site and you can download it. Or do you need to run NT in a lower resolution for some reason? -Mike From cph Sun Dec 5 13:03:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07099 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:03:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26607; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26527; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26514; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:08 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax2.vramp.net [198.138.8.65]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12326 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:02:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002d01bf3f4a$fe06c6d0$41088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Subject: TP Y-Connector On eBay Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:03:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Anybody need a Y connector for their Thinkpad? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=214115198 Presently at $1.50 Dutch. Last time they went for around $4.00. Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 5 13:45:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07227 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:45:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27925; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:43:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27828; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27815; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:43:15 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust91.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.91]) id QQhshu01187 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:40:44 GMT Message-ID: <384AB26C.373E49B3@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:43:56 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to run at 768 x 1024. I've loaded the IBM drivers and when I go to the ThinkPad configuration, the 64K color selection is grayed out, as is the "Expand Screen" option. I end up w/768x1024 on an area that only covers 50 - 70% of the screen. If I boot into W95 these options are not grayed out and if I check them, I get 768x1024 and the entire screen is utilized. Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Dec 5 14:44:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07424 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:44:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00014; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29913; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29899; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:11 -0500 Received: from user-38lcjt4.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcjt4.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.164]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06041 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:42:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912051942.OAA06041@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:42:48 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907312228.RAA10080@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 760XL memory placement List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I picked up a Viking 32Mb stick for a 760XL. The Viking booklet says to place the largest chip farthest to the right to "optimize performance." In the far right slot, there is the factory 16Mb chip, soldered to the system. Is the 32Mb chip to go on top of the 16Mb chip? Does it make any real difference? Thanks in advance. Allan Ballard From cph Sun Dec 5 14:54:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07470 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:54:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00601; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:52:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00525; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00512; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:52:26 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14312; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Kathe Robin" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:53:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <384AB22C.30ADAF83@cheatriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > I am trying to run at 768 x 1024. I've loaded the IBM drivers and when > I go to the ThinkPad configuration, the 64K color selection is grayed > out, as is the "Expand Screen" option. I end up w/768x1024 on an area > that only covers 50 - 70% of the screen. If I boot into W95 these > options are not grayed out and if I check them, I get 768x1024 and the > entire screen is utilized. I don't have NT running on the 760E any more, so I can't check this directly, but a couple of tips. First, "Expand Screen" is not relevant to what you want. This option has no effect when you are running at 1024x768. It affects how the screen operates only when you run at a lower resolution. For example, if you run at 640x480, you can either have that resolution displayed pixel-for pixel in the middle of the screen, or you can have it expanded to fill the entire screen by interpolating pixels (that's what "Expand Screen" means). You rarely would want to use that, because it's very ugly. If you find that only 50-70% of the screen is being used, you're not running 1024x768 anyway. Probably running 640x480. Have you gone into the NT display control panel and set the resolution there? That's the place to set your screen resolution, not the ThinkPad configuration program. Right-click the desktop and select Properties. Then click the Settings tab. You should find two boxes labeled Colors and Screen Area, where you can select 64K colors and 1024x768. That should be all you need to do. -Mike From cph Sun Dec 5 15:02:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07517 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:02:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01050; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:00:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00957; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00944; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:00:12 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA14669; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Kathe Robin" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:01:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <384AB22C.30ADAF83@cheatriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Just a bit more information on this... Make sure you have the IBM *display driver* installed, not just the ThinkPad Configuration program. It's the display driver that allows you to run 1024x768. The ThinkPad Configuration program has little or nothing to do with it. In fact, you don't need the ThinkPad Configuration program installed at all to run 1024x768. If you went to the NT Display control panel and found that the Screen Area slider did not have a setting for 1024x768, that means you're not running the proper display driver. (Probably running the standard VGA driver.) In that case, go to the IBM support site and find the NT display driver and install it. Then you will be all set. -Mike From cph Sun Dec 5 15:10:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07543 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:10:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01363; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:07:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01289; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01276; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.117 -> duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:07:48 -0500 Received: from miles (1Cust41.max1.par2.fra.da.uu.net [195.129.10.41]) by duck.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17486 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:07:40 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: Subject: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to fire up the Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any idea how to fix it? Thanks in advance dn ps. Yes, I know that modems can and do retrain during a call. But I sometimes connect at rates as low as 14.4 kbit/s, and it's not helpful when DUN tells me I'm in at 57.6 kbit/s. From cph Sun Dec 5 17:07:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08049 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:07:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05293; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:05:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05197; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05178; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:05:08 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust11.tnt2.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.15.223.11]) id QQhsii13324; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:02:34 GMT Message-ID: <384AE1B4.95AC3BB0@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:05:40 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike: Thanks for the information and education re:1024x768 drivers on TP 760ED. Unfortunately, the drivers I'm using are from the IBM web pages and are listed as the ones to support 1024x758 on this machine when running NT. When I got to Control Panel/Display/Settings, 1024x768 is not listed as an option. Do you know what directory NT looks for these drivers in? I may have installed them incorrectly. Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Dec 5 17:15:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08110 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:15:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05752; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:14:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05668; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05655; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:14:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 14715 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1999 22:14:27 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14703 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 1999 22:14:26 -0000 Received: from dialuph135.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.88.135) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 22:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <384AE2A0.E933769A@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:09:36 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: NTW 4.0 pcmcia support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, For various reasons I have installed NT Workstation 4.0 on my Thinkpad. However It sees my pcmcia flashram cards as HardDrives. Ideas? URL? From cph Sun Dec 5 18:15:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08427 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:15:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08640; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:13:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08495; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08482; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (12.30.60.66) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:13:50 -0500 Received: from alexkirkovsky (1Cust74.tnt13.bos2.da.uu.net [63.27.160.74]) by ntserver2.invention-machine.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id VTLGSH5L; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf3f76$430bc980$4aa01b3f@alexkirkovsky> Reply-To: "Alex Kirkovsky" From: "Alex Kirkovsky" To: References: Subject: Re: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:12:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Install "native" drivers from IBM site. I had this problem before. After reinstalling the appropriate drivers Dial-up Networking will display the real speed. Regards, Alex Kirkovsky ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Newman" To: Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:07 PM Subject: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? | | When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), | Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control | Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to fire up the | Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. | | I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any idea how to | fix it? | | Thanks in advance | | dn | | ps. Yes, I know that modems can and do retrain during a call. But I | sometimes connect at rates as low as 14.4 kbit/s, and it's not helpful when | DUN tells me I'm in at 57.6 kbit/s. | | | From cph Sun Dec 5 19:58:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08916 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:58:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12310; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12223; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12210; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:56:28 -0500 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.229.21]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <1999120600562525200cqilse>; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:56:26 +0000 Message-ID: <384B0916.270D05FD@basterfield.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:53:42 +0000 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrickwest@uswest.net CC: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: Re: NTW 4.0 pcmcia support References: <384AE2A0.E933769A@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Patrick West wrote: > > Folks, > > For various reasons I have installed NT Workstation 4.0 on my Thinkpad. > However It sees my pcmcia flashram cards as HardDrives. > > Ideas? URL? Why is this a problem? What were you expecting them to appear as? Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Sun Dec 5 22:10:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09455 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:10:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16848; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:08:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16767; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16753; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:08:53 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18954; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Kathe Robin" Cc: Subject: RE: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <384AE1B4.95AC3BB0@cheatriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Max, > Thanks for the information and education re:1024x768 drivers on TP > 760ED. > > Unfortunately, the drivers I'm using are from the IBM web pages and are > listed as the ones to support 1024x758 on this machine when running NT. > When I got to Control Panel/Display/Settings, 1024x768 is not listed as > an option. Do you know what directory NT looks for these drivers in? I > may have installed them incorrectly. NT doesn't look for the drivers anywhere. Did you just copy the floppy disk onto the hard drive somewhere? That's probably why they're not working. You have to install a display driver in the Display control panel. The file vftp4wnt.txt explains the details. Briefly, it goes like this: You should run vftp4wnt.exe and it will create a floppy disk--you've probably already done this, right? Then go into the Display control panel, click the Settings tab and the Change Display Type... button. Click the Change... button and the Have Disk... button and make sure A: is selected. Select the IBM ThinkPad (Cyber 9320 etc.) choice, then OK a few times. For more details and explanation, look at vftp4wnt.txt in the same place you downloaded vftp4wnt.exe. Make sure you're logged in with administrative privileges to do this... -Mike From cph Sun Dec 5 22:15:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09483 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:15:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17070; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:13:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16995; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16982; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:13:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 15219 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1999 03:13:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 15017 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 1999 03:13:32 -0000 Received: from dialupo135.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.84.135) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 1999 03:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: <384B28B7.F398CD8@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:08:40 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: Re: NTW 4.0 pcmcia support References: <384AE2A0.E933769A@uswest.net> <384B0916.270D05FD@basterfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, I should have been more clear. They appear as nonremoveable hard drives not as removeable media. I can't remove them except at reboot or the system freaks out, the screen starts flashing and everything locks up. Some of the time afterwards NTW will reboot ok others it hangs and I have to fiddle with it. Daniel Basterfield wrote: > > Patrick West wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > For various reasons I have installed NT Workstation 4.0 on my Thinkpad. > > However It sees my pcmcia flashram cards as HardDrives. > > > > Ideas? URL? > > Why is this a problem? What were you expecting them to appear as? > > Dan. > > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Sun Dec 5 23:16:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09743 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:16:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18912; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:10:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18811; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18798; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:10:16 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust118.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.118]) id QQhsjg27915; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 04:07:41 GMT Message-ID: <384B374D.CC53CACA@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:10:54 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on 760ED w/XGA screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike: Thanks for the reminder - I just wasn't thinking and just copied the video drivers to the HD and never did the install. Certainly makes the 12.1" XGA screen a whole lot more usable now! Thanks again, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Dec 6 00:20:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09999 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:20:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21907; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:18:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21809; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21796; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:18:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 3613 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1999 05:18:34 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 3580 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 1999 05:18:33 -0000 Received: from dialupe203.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.85.203) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 1999 05:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <384B4606.18B84FD7@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:13:42 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: Re: NTW 4.0 pcmcia support References: <384AE2A0.E933769A@uswest.net> <384B0916.270D05FD@basterfield.com> <384B28B7.F398CD8@uswest.net> <020601bf3f9c$7dd0b0a0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know of any 3rd party tools to allow hotswapping of pcmcia drives in NTW 4.0? R Briganti wrote: > > Sounds like they're working like they should. NT4 does not support plug and > play and to change a PCMCIA device you must reboot. > > - From cph Mon Dec 6 01:13:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10203 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:13:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02040; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:12:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01943; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01910; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:12:08 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-232.gate.net [199.227.131.41]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA106068; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:11:55 -0500 Message-ID: <384B53C9.C82946CF@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:12:25 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760XL memory placement References: <199912051942.OAA06041@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: in the 760X series, the DIMM carrier is fixed in place and accessible >from the top, under the HDD.. the far right slot is for any compatible part, but when using the 64meg part, it MUST go in the far right slot.. then that little white switch must be moved to the other position.. that is most likely what viking means.. Allan wrote: > Hello, > > I picked up a Viking 32Mb stick for a 760XL. > > The Viking booklet says to place the largest > chip farthest to the right to "optimize performance." > > In the far right slot, there is the factory 16Mb > chip, soldered to the system. > > Is the 32Mb chip to go on top of the 16Mb > chip? > > Does it make any real difference? > > Thanks in advance. > > Allan Ballard -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Mon Dec 6 03:27:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA10612 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:27:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18159; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:24:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17932; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17911; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (194.98.237.1 -> ns.netcomsystems.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:23:59 -0500 Received: from miles ([194.98.237.21]) by ns.netcomsystems.fr (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA16920; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:20:09 +0100 From: "David Newman" To: "Alex Kirkovsky" , Subject: RE: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <002801bf3f76$430bc980$4aa01b3f@alexkirkovsky> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Which drivers are you referring to, Alex? I have this problem even when I install a clean system from the recovery CD. dn > > Install "native" drivers from IBM site. > I had this problem before. > After reinstalling the appropriate drivers Dial-up Networking will display > the real speed. > > Regards, > Alex Kirkovsky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Newman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:07 PM > Subject: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? > > > | > | When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), > | Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control > | Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to > fire up the > | Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. > | > | I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any > idea how to > | fix it? > | > | Thanks in advance > | > | dn > | > | ps. Yes, I know that modems can and do retrain during a call. But I > | sometimes connect at rates as low as 14.4 kbit/s, and it's not helpful > when > | DUN tells me I'm in at 57.6 kbit/s. > | > | > | > > From cph Mon Dec 6 05:57:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA10959 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:57:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12678; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:54:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12553; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12540; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:54:47 -0500 Received: from user-38ld18g.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld18g.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.16]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA24909; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:54:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912061054.FAA24909@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 04:55:25 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <384B53C9.C82946CF@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XL memory placement List-Unsubscribe: Thank yuu, Bill. On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:12:25 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >in the 760X series, the DIMM carrier is fixed in place and accessible >from the top, under the HDD.. >the far right slot is for any compatible part, but when using the 64meg >part, it MUST go in the far right slot.. >then that little white switch must be moved to the other position.. > >that is most likely what viking means.. > > >Allan wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I picked up a Viking 32Mb stick for a 760XL. >> >> The Viking booklet says to place the largest >> chip farthest to the right to "optimize performance." >> >> In the far right slot, there is the factory 16Mb >> chip, soldered to the system. >> >> Is the 32Mb chip to go on top of the 16Mb >> chip? >> >> Does it make any real difference? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Allan Ballard > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > From cph Mon Dec 6 06:52:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA11249 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:52:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23744; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:50:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23668; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23655; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (12.30.60.66) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:50:31 -0500 Received: from alexkirkovsky (1Cust115.tnt21.bos2.da.uu.net [63.17.3.115]) by ntserver2.invention-machine.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id VTLGS2CJ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01bf3fdf$f72f6ac0$7303113f@alexkirkovsky> Reply-To: "Alex Kirkovsky" From: "Alex Kirkovsky" To: References: Subject: Re: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I don't know how old your recovery CD... Apply all "fresh" patches from IBM site including BIOS update, Modem drivers etc. http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThi nkPad+600E%7C2645%7C8AU&doctype=Downloadable+files&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThi nkPad+600E&machineType=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645&model=IBM+ThinkPa d%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645%7C8AU&up=%25%25q7X9J7ZCXQ7Kd5YY7Eh&ut=loginCount%3D 38%26productCount%3D1%26lastLoginDate%3D1999-12-04-07.54.56.681051%26type1%3 D2644%26userID%3D%26greeting%3DWelcome%2Bback%252C%2BMr.%2BKirkovsky%26brand %3DIBM%2BThinkPad%26family%3DThinkPad%2B570%26model1%3D3AU AFAIK the only reason of this problem is incorrect INF-file for your modem. Regards, Alex Kirkovsky ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Newman" To: "Alex Kirkovsky" ; Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 3:23 AM Subject: RE: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? | | Which drivers are you referring to, Alex? I have this problem even when I | install a clean system from the recovery CD. | | dn | | | > | > Install "native" drivers from IBM site. | > I had this problem before. | > After reinstalling the appropriate drivers Dial-up Networking will display | > the real speed. | > | > Regards, | > Alex Kirkovsky | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "David Newman" | > To: | > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:07 PM | > Subject: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? | > | > | > | | > | When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), | > | Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control | > | Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to | > fire up the | > | Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. | > | | > | I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any | > idea how to | > | fix it? | > | | > | Thanks in advance | > | | > | dn | > | | > | ps. Yes, I know that modems can and do retrain during a call. But I | > | sometimes connect at rates as low as 14.4 kbit/s, and it's not helpful | > when | > | DUN tells me I'm in at 57.6 kbit/s. | > | | > | | > | | > | > | From cph Mon Dec 6 13:15:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13294 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:15:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26137; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:09:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25722; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25587; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:09:41 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25190; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Newman" , Subject: RE: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:48:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), > Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control > Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to fire up the > Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. > > I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any > idea how to > fix it? Go into the Modems control panel. Open the Properties sheet for the ThinkPad Modem. Go to the Advanced tab and in the "extra initialization commands" box enter "W1" (without the quotes, of course). This tells the modem to report the actual connect speed instead of the port speed. (I'm looking at the control panel in Windows 2000, not NT4, so the dialog layout might be a bit different, but I seem to recall this part of it was the same.) -Mike From cph Mon Dec 6 14:26:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13789 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:26:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02264; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02094; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02080; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:20 -0500 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.219.192]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <1999120619201423902tuod4e>; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: <384C0BC9.61545E4C@basterfield.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:17:29 +0000 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrickwest@uswest.net CC: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: Re: NTW 4.0 pcmcia support References: <384AE2A0.E933769A@uswest.net> <384B0916.270D05FD@basterfield.com> <384B28B7.F398CD8@uswest.net> <020601bf3f9c$7dd0b0a0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> <384B4606.18B84FD7@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Patrick, Now I understand what you mean. That is a feature of NT's PCMCIA support - no hot swap. However, CardWorks drivers are available from IBM for many ThinkPad models - I was installing them today on some 380's - and they do support hot swapping of some devices. You may like to have a look at these, if they're available for your model. Look at the ThinkPad device driver matrix for NT PCMCIA support for your machine. I've never tried the CardWorks drivers specifically with flash cards, though. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Mon Dec 6 14:47:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13926 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:47:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04781; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:44:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04566; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04548; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:44:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA47244; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:44:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads In-Reply-To: <199911301253.EAA18895@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > Hmmm, I always thought Win98 was slower than Win95. Can Win2k > >still run DOS apps since he only reason I am asking is that there are > >still some utilities from the 10-20 years of using the PC that is somewhat > >useful. > > Let me guess, is XTreeGold one of them? If so, check out www.ztree.com > I'm not affiliated with them, just happy with their software. Not quite... All the stuff I am using is PD Software which was developed in DOS, way before there was even Win 3.1. > I still admit, OS/2 has better DOS support than even Win2K, but Win2K > has become much better than NT4. Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 can run all Win apps. > I got my first BSOD today on my ThinkPad (with Win2K), and wow, it actually > tells you what the heck the error means... I think that's an MS first! Now, that is interesting. I get BSOD's on my 770Z under Win98 quite often. Often the machine can completely hang on it's own or the screen just turns black and the only way around is to hit that reset button since the power button doesn't even work! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Dec 6 17:06:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28106 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:06:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18361; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:03:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17957; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17944; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.35 -> www0f.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:03:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 1167 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 1999 21:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19991206215635.1164.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Mon Dec 6 21:56:33 GMT 1999 Date: 6 Dec 99 15:56:33 CST From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Purchase Advice Needed X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA28107 Hello all, I'm in the market for a new Thinkpad and figured I could leverage the Thinkpad knowledge of the list. I'm looking for a mid-level system such as a 600E, 390, or i1560 that has the following specs: - 128MB memory - 6.4+ HD (10 would be nice) - CD-ROM (DVD not needed) - 13.3 TFT or better screen - size is not important - ideally $1800 - $2400 range (that kind of eliminates a new 600E) Anyone know where to find good deals on new or refurb models that fit these specs? I'd rather stick to companies and not auctions, but I guess I could try that. Thanks, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Dec 6 20:42:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29654 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:42:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03057; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:38:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02924; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02910; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:38:50 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.183.233 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:38:51 -0800 Message-ID: <015d01bf4053$680e63e0$e9b71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Battery for 560 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:35:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015A_01BF4021.1C7FCFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01BF4021.1C7FCFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know of a source for a battery for my 560? ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01BF4021.1C7FCFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know of a source for a battery = for my=20 560?
------=_NextPart_000_015A_01BF4021.1C7FCFE0-- From cph Mon Dec 6 21:51:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29999 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:51:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08174; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08082; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0w.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08069; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0w.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.52 -> www0w.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 29857 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 1999 02:49:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991207024931.29854.qmail@www0w.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.52 by www0w for [209.32.179.130] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue Dec 7 02:49:31 GMT 1999 Date: 6 Dec 99 20:49:31 CST From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Purchase Advice Needed X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA30000 Never mind! I just won an auction for a brand new 600E on EBay for $2175. Pretty loaded, with PII-366, 128MB, 10.1GB, 13.3 TFT, 10/100 Ethernet. Christmas comes early!! Thanks anyway... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Dec 6 22:47:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00352 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:47:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11341; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:45:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11253; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11240; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209.142.0.6 -> mail2.inreach.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:45:29 -0500 Received: from default (209-142-41-147.stk.inreach.net [209.142.41.147]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24774 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:28:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912070328.TAA24774@smtp.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Jerry & Janice Ray" To: Subject: In Need Of Help Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:28 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, everone on thinkpad list. Is their someone who could email the necessary windows 98 boot disk files so i can have a windows 98 stardup disk. I am going to format my hardrive and need this disk so I can load windows 98 full version second edition. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From cph Mon Dec 6 23:12:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA00519 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:12:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12387; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12275; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12261; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:05 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id XAA11320 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:09:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: rbell1@netscape.net Received: from netscape.net (h-179-130.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.179.130]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id XAA11297; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:08:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384C87D2.22C70DBF@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:06:42 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: djmusic@inreach.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: In Need Of Help References: <199912070328.TAA24774@smtp.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Depending on what machine you are installing too and how you want to do it, you don't necessarily need any specific 'Windows 98 startup disks': - On PCs that support booting from the CD drive, you should be able to change BIOS startup sequences and just boot from the Win98 install CD. - If you have enough HD space, boot to the existing OS (or another that can see the CD drive) and copy the installation files from the CD to the local HD. Then boot to DOS and run the setup program from the local copy of the CD directories. - You could also make a DOS (or generic Win 95/98) boot disk with CD-ROM drivers for your specific hardware, then boot with it and launch setup from the CD. If you don't have access to a system with a Microsoft OS for making these generic DOS boot disks, then I don't know what you'll do. You'll need a system with a MS OS in order to make a diskette from any image or files that may be mailed to you, and if you have that, you don't need any additional files. Apologies if I've misunderstood your needs... HTH, Rob Jerry & Janice Ray wrote: > Hello, everone on thinkpad list. Is their someone who could email the > necessary > windows 98 boot disk files so i can have a windows 98 stardup disk. I am > going to format my > hardrive and need this disk so I can load windows 98 full version second > edition. > Any help would be appreciated Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From cph Tue Dec 7 00:59:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01109 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:59:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17287; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:56:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17199; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17185; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:56:29 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.195.112]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991207055627.LTBL959@oemcomputer>; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 05:56:27 +0000 Message-ID: <384C9FEF.359@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:49:35 -0500 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquerx@worldnetx.attx.xnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: djmusic@inreach.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: In Need Of Help References: <199912070328.TAA24774@smtp.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jerry & Janice Ray wrote: On this page you'll find everything you need to install/reinstall,create boot disk and etc. http://www.netpathway.com/~kramer/reinstall.html Good luck SCB > Hello, everone on thinkpad list. Is their someone who could email the > necessary > windows 98 boot disk files so i can have a windows 98 stardup disk. I am > going to format my > hardrive and need this disk so I can load windows 98 full version second > edition. > Any help would be appreciated Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove all Xs before Name & World when replying sbryquer@worldnet.att.net From cph Tue Dec 7 03:11:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA01541 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:11:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22765; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:07:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22483; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22458; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (194.98.237.1 -> ns.netcomsystems.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:07:24 -0500 Received: from miles ([194.98.237.21]) by ns.netcomsystems.fr (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA20288; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:03:38 +0100 From: "David Newman" To: "Michael Geary" , , Subject: RE: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:06:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Mike and Alex, very much, for your help. The W1 switch did the trick -- no new drivers needed. dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 6:48 PM > To: David Newman; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: thinkpad modem -- what's the connect speed? > > > > When using the Mwave modem on the TP600E running Windows NT (2645-8AU), > > Dial-up Networking displays the maximum connect speed (as set in Control > > Panel/Modems) rather than the actual connect speed. I have to > fire up the > > Thinkpad Modem applet to get the actual connect speed. > > > > I don't have this problem with other Thinkpads running NT. Any > > idea how to > > fix it? > > Go into the Modems control panel. Open the Properties sheet for the > ThinkPad Modem. Go to the Advanced tab and in the "extra initialization > commands" box enter "W1" (without the quotes, of course). This tells the > modem to report the actual connect speed instead of the port speed. > > (I'm looking at the control panel in Windows 2000, not NT4, so the dialog > layout might be a bit different, but I seem to recall this part of it was > the same.) > > -Mike > > From cph Tue Dec 7 08:03:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA02504 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:03:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18946; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:00:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18702; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18669; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:00:25 -0500 Received: from mstolp ([32.100.60.31]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <1999120713002225201djiqne>; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:00:23 +0000 Reply-To: From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: TP770 - How to Reset Password? Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have ordered a new Thinkpad 600x, and am setting up my present TP770 for my wife's home office use. How do I reset the either the Logon Password or Supervisor Password? I go into Thinkpad Setup with F1-Power On, and it does not seem to permit me to change the existing Passwords. Any suggestions are appreciated. -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Arizona-Colorado-New Mexico mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 From cph Tue Dec 7 08:06:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA02516 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:06:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19439; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19361; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19351; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.34 -> imo-d02.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:11 -0500 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id j.0.ab494f79 (4262); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ab494f79.257e6000@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:05:04 EST Subject: Re: TP770 - How to Reset Password? To: mstolp@xelan.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 07/12/99 8:01:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, mstolp@xelan.com writes: > How do I reset the either the Logon Password or Supervisor Password? To remove the old password, boot up and at the password prompt: - enter password - hit spacebar once - hit ENTER To change/set a ThinkPad password read these sites: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3JZNDP http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3JZS7U If you don't know the PowerOn Password, you'll probably need to call IBM Tech Support: 1-800-772-2227 or take the laptop to a local authorized service center. Hope this helps ... John From cph Tue Dec 7 17:57:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06980 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:57:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08562; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:53:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08213; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08200; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:53:27 -0500 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Y3ASSRC7; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02807; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA10960; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:53:25 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199912072253.PAA10960@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770E display problem Cc: Rob.Kingston@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, My ThinkPad 770E, 9548-52U, has started having a display problem. It appears that the backlight just goes off, however keystrokes/ mouse movement do not cause it to go back on. If I get out a strong light, I can see that things are still displayed OK and a Ctrl-Alt-Del brings up the task manager and I can tab over to shutdown, etc. Power off and then reboot and the display comes back for a while but it goes off sometime later ... Also happens with a different HD running Unix (Sun Solaris). I can also shutdown correctly there (using a light and typing in the blind). Last week the machine made a high pitched noise for a bit with a flickering display but that stopped in less than an hour. This new light off thing worries me. I guess I should see if an external monitor works when the backlight is off ? (I've never used an external monitor as the LCD seems nice.) Any guesses? Or is it hardware and time for a trip back to Easy-Serv (or whatever it is called) for component replacement? Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Dec 7 18:25:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07147 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:25:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11042; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10838; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10825; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.54 -> mail4.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 7758 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 23:21:25 -0000 Received: from ip244.tucson6.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.66.244) by mail4.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1999 23:21:25 -0000 Message-ID: <384D9668.ECC35421@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:21:12 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Biggar CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Rob.Kingston@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU Subject: Re: 770E display problem References: <199912072253.PAA10960@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My guess is that the backlight's fluorescent lamp is close to the end of its service life. Did your screen show some darkening in one or two corners before it "died"? Mine is beginning to show it after 1.5 yrs of 24/7 use (TP 770). I assume this it's due to the type of darkening tha all fluorescent lamps show sooner or later and gets worse with time and they begin to fail to light on or get off soon after the gas conduction is initiated. In your case it might also be a failure of the hardware that initiates and controls the discharge. Stuart Biggar wrote: > > Hello, > > My ThinkPad 770E, 9548-52U, has started having a display problem. > It appears that the backlight just goes off, however keystrokes/ > mouse movement do not cause it to go back on. If I get out a > strong light, I can see that things are still displayed OK and a > Ctrl-Alt-Del brings up the task manager and I can tab over > to shutdown, etc. > > Power off and then reboot and the display comes back for a while > but it goes off sometime later ... > > Also happens with a different HD running Unix (Sun Solaris). I > can also shutdown correctly there (using a light and typing in > the blind). > > Last week the machine made a high pitched noise for a bit with > a flickering display but that stopped in less than an hour. > This new light off thing worries me. > > I guess I should see if an external monitor works when the backlight > is off ? (I've never used an external monitor as the LCD seems nice.) > > Any guesses? Or is it hardware and time for a trip back to > Easy-Serv (or whatever it is called) for component replacement? > > Stuart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 > Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 > Optical Sciences Center > University of Arizona > Meinel Building > PO Box 210094 > Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Dec 7 18:34:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07210 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:34:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11811; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:31:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11658; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail11.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11644; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail11.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.61 -> mail11.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:31:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 3988 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from ip244.tucson6.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.66.244) by mail11.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1999 23:31:01 -0000 Message-ID: <384D98B1.414F302F@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:30:57 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Rob.Kingston@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU, Stuart@netzero.net, Biggar@netzero.net Subject: Re: 770E display problem Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FF112A335AE2B2398DAB7260" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FF112A335AE2B2398DAB7260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is that the backlight's fluorescent lamp is close to the end of its service life. Did your screen show some darkening in one or two corners before it "died"? Mine is beginning to show it after 1.5 yrs of 24/7 use (TP 770). I assume this it's due to the type of darkening tha all fluorescent lamps show sooner or later and gets worse with time and they begin to fail to light on or get off soon after the gas conduction is initiated. In your case it might also be a failure of the hardware that initiates and controls the discharge. Stuart Biggar wrote: > > Hello, > > My ThinkPad 770E, 9548-52U, has started having a display problem. > It appears that the backlight just goes off, however keystrokes/ > mouse movement do not cause it to go back on. If I get out a > strong light, I can see that things are still displayed OK and a > Ctrl-Alt-Del brings up the task manager and I can tab over > to shutdown, etc. > > Power off and then reboot and the display comes back for a while > but it goes off sometime later ... > > Also happens with a different HD running Unix (Sun Solaris). I > can also shutdown correctly there (using a light and typing in > the blind). > > Last week the machine made a high pitched noise for a bit with > a flickering display but that stopped in less than an hour. > This new light off thing worries me. > > I guess I should see if an external monitor works when the backlight > is off ? (I've never used an external monitor as the LCD seems nice.) > > Any guesses? Or is it hardware and time for a trip back to > Easy-Serv (or whatever it is called) for component replacement? > > Stuart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 > Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 > Optical Sciences Center > University of Arizona > Meinel Building > PO Box 210094 > Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------FF112A335AE2B2398DAB7260 Content-Type: message/delivery-status; name="nsmail0F.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail0F.TMP" Reporting-MTA: x-local-hostname; LEOPARD MAIL Final-Recipient: rfc822;Steve_Hultquist@leopard.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: --------------FF112A335AE2B2398DAB7260 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmailBD.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmailBD.TMP" Received: from smtp.leopard.com ([199.239.18.2]) by snowmass.leopard.com (Lotus Domino Build 166.1) with ESMTP id 1999120716310145:1152 ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:31:01 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17088 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:02:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10896; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10838; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10825; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.54 -> mail4.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 7758 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 23:21:25 -0000 Received: from ip244.tucson6.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.66.244) by mail4.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1999 23:21:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:21:12 GMT From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Biggar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Rob.Kingston@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU Subject: Re: 770E display problem References: <199912072253.PAA10960@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/07/99 04:31:01 PM, MIME-CD by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/07/99 04:31:02 PM, MIME-CD complete at 12/07/99 04:31:02 PM, Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/07/99 04:31:34 PM Message-ID: <384D9668.ECC35421@netzero.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My guess is that the backlight's fluorescent lamp is close to the end of its service life. Did your screen show some darkening in one or two corners before it "died"? Mine is beginning to show it after 1.5 yrs of 24/7 use (TP 770). I assume this it's due to the type of darkening tha all fluorescent lamps show sooner or later and gets worse with time and they begin to fail to light on or get off soon after the gas conduction is initiated. In your case it might also be a failure of the hardware that initiates and controls the discharge. Stuart Biggar wrote: > > Hello, > > My ThinkPad 770E, 9548-52U, has started having a display problem. > It appears that the backlight just goes off, however keystrokes/ > mouse movement do not cause it to go back on. If I get out a > strong light, I can see that things are still displayed OK and a > Ctrl-Alt-Del brings up the task manager and I can tab over > to shutdown, etc. > > Power off and then reboot and the display comes back for a while > but it goes off sometime later ... > > Also happens with a different HD running Unix (Sun Solaris). I > can also shutdown correctly there (using a light and typing in > the blind). > > Last week the machine made a high pitched noise for a bit with > a flickering display but that stopped in less than an hour. > This new light off thing worries me. > > I guess I should see if an external monitor works when the backlight > is off ? (I've never used an external monitor as the LCD seems nice.) > > Any guesses? Or is it hardware and time for a trip back to > Easy-Serv (or whatever it is called) for component replacement? > > Stuart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 > Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 > Optical Sciences Center > University of Arizona > Meinel Building > PO Box 210094 > Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --------------FF112A335AE2B2398DAB7260-- __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Dec 7 18:56:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07347 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:56:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13783; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:54:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13696; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13683; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.52 -> mail2.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:54:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 4901 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1999 23:54:41 -0000 Received: from ip244.tucson6.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.66.244) by mail2.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1999 23:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: <384D9E3A.324D50E7@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:54:34 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Stuart Biggar , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Rob.Kingston@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU Subject: Attn: Recipients of message re: 770E display problem References: <199912072253.PAA10960@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> <384D9668.ECC35421@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Please note the routing loop suggested by the error message transcribed below. I can't figure out whether it originates >from a problem in the thinkpads list or at the UofA. ----------------- Your message Subject: Re: 770E display problem was not delivered to: Steve_Hultquist@leopard.com because: Error transferring to SNOWMASS/LEOPARD mail.box; Maximum hop count exceeded. Message probably in a routing loop. == __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Dec 7 19:06:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07416 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:06:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14458; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:04:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14361; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14345; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:03:57 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial20.auto-net.com [208.154.252.69]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA77882 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:00:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <384D9FFC.FF8CF2AB@iso.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 18:02:06 -0600 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Floppy cable for 730T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm back, said Johnny. Anyway I am trying to get an external floppy cable conabbled up. BUT, I need some help with the pin-outs. I have cables with one end that fits the 730T/Floppy drive sockets but the wiring seems not to be 1-1,2-2, etc. I just read that the cable ends are marked to go to the 730T and the floppy and shouldn't be reversed. That is either right or not. So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) TIA (I hope), Bill and, hey, it can't hurt to ask??? From cph Tue Dec 7 19:57:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07667 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:57:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18250; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:54:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18169; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18156; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:54:43 -0500 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16187 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:52:12 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: TP600 & ScrollPoint Mouse Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:53:54 -0600 Message-ID: <000001bf411f$164b79e0$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Somewhat off topic... I bought a couple of little IBM black mice with purple trackpoints in the middle to use with my TP. I downloaded the Logitech Scrollpoint files version 8.21 2 diskettes and installed them, since the driver diskette that came with the mouse was Win95 only and I'm running Win98. The scrolling feature works fine, but only by pressing both the left and right buttons. How do I get the pointer on the mouse to work? Did I pick the wrong drivers? Thanks in advance, Mark From cph Wed Dec 8 01:37:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA09054 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:37:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05854; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:35:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05736; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05720; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:35:05 -0500 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25957; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:27:42 -0500 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-114.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.114]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28563; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <384DFBE8.8B3366BF@treco.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 01:34:16 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, wvantuyl@iso.net Subject: re. TP 730 floppy pin out.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ohhh.. i'm tired and need to get to bed, soo... 1. i have never even SEEN a TP730, 2. the pin out is available in the engineering manual for thinkpads.. and it takes one for that specific model, even though occasionally, the pin out will be the same across models for something as similar and universal as an external floppy drive interface cable.. 3. have you tried some of the more available external floppy setups.. like the 701 external floppy cable or the 755 or 760 or 560 or?? 4. the best other place i can send you is the hardware manual place on the IBM web site.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com http://thinkpads.com/enter.html E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Wed Dec 8 01:48:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA09080 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:48:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06402; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06327; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06317; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:27 -0500 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.621ec86c (3853) for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.621ec86c.257f58bc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:46:20 EST Subject: 730t flash card To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: The File Manager denies access to a 4mb flash memory card I have installed in slot 2. The Card Director does read the card and gives it a "ready" status. How can I whip my File Manager into shape? Jim From cph Wed Dec 8 10:18:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10682 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:18:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09426; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:16:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09256; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09242; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:16:06 -0500 Received: from c454306b (ppp03.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.81]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA08603 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:16:04 -0800 Message-ID: <011b01bf418f$16e07200$8256a0d8@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:15:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: For what it's worth the SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I is available again from NECX. NOTE that this is the BASE only, ignore the picture. Nevertheless ,the base functions as a complete port replicator by itself. Peter http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000126089&nonce=guest From cph Wed Dec 8 10:53:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10900 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:53:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12722; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12620; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12606; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:32 -0500 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01971; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:49:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'peter machule'" , "'thinkpad'" Subject: RE: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:50:48 -0600 Message-ID: <000001bf419c$62cd7980$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011b01bf418f$16e07200$8256a0d8@c454306b> List-Unsubscribe: I don't even own a 770, but thanks for the info. This is the kind of information that makes me glad I joined this list! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: peter machule [mailto:machule@triumf.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:16 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW <> From cph Wed Dec 8 12:11:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11540 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:11:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19637; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:09:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19538; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19525; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:09:14 -0500 Received: from 770z (1Cust195.tnt3.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.17.195]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA30626; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:09:01 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: , "'peter machule'" , "'thinkpad'" Subject: RE: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001bf419c$62cd7980$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is for the 755/760 series, not the 770. I have the bottom piece (Selectadock I) in perfect shape, if anyone wants to make an offer. This would result in the complete docking station... Thanks, Richard Richard Chalk Phone: 770-992-1819 VP - Sales Fax: 770-992-8989 BAF Communications Corp. E-Mail:rchalk@baf-mti.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lemon [mailto:mlemon@hickseq.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:51 PM To: 'peter machule'; 'thinkpad' Subject: RE: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW I don't even own a 770, but thanks for the info. This is the kind of information that makes me glad I joined this list! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: peter machule [mailto:machule@triumf.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:16 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: SELECTADOCK BASE MODEL I $20 plus $6 from necx.com NEW <> From cph Wed Dec 8 14:17:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12498 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:17:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02198; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:14:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01717; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01676; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:14:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (199.239.18.15 -> needToKnowBasis.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:14:24 -0500 Subject: My apologies... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:21:46 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/08/99 12:21:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Allow me to apologize to the entire group for the mail error messages that you experienced. Our internal mail system's configuration was impacted by a system upgrade to my personal machine, causing an internal routing loop and then the ultimate rejection of the message. I am sorry for any inconvenience that this may have caused anyone in the mailing list. ssh From cph Wed Dec 8 15:11:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12916 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:11:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAB06397; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06250; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06236; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:32 -0500 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13747 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912082009.PAA13747@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: 770E display problem List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Instead of the fluorescent backlight, problem may be the inverter card delivering the 1 KV AC at high frequency, low current, is no longer functional. (That's why the high pitch sound as the high frequency dropped down into the audible range). How to test? Get a couple of DC inverter cards from BG Micro (they are about $3 apiece) and see if you can power the display backlight from the BG Micro inverter card. (Don't be surprised if you fry a card working out the physical setup of the appropriate test connections, but at least you can narrow down the problem if it is the display or not). Had a problem with a 701C display; turned out to be the IR/inverter combo card was bad.... IBM's price was $125; bluestarusa was $40; and used card on eBay was $12.70 Best wishes and Happy Holidays, -Pete Findeis >My ThinkPad 770E, 9548-52U, has started having a display problem. >It appears that the backlight just goes off, however keystrokes/ >mouse movement do not cause it to go back on. If I get out a >strong light, I can see that things are still displayed OK and a >Ctrl-Alt-Del brings up the task manager and I can tab over >to shutdown, etc. > >Power off and then reboot and the display comes back for a while >but it goes off sometime later ... > >Also happens with a different HD running Unix (Sun Solaris). I >can also shutdown correctly there (using a light and typing in >the blind). > >Last week the machine made a high pitched noise for a bit with >a flickering display but that stopped in less than an hour. >This new light off thing worries me. > >I guess I should see if an external monitor works when the backlight >is off ? (I've never used an external monitor as the LCD seems nice.) > >Any guesses? Or is it hardware and time for a trip back to >Easy-Serv (or whatever it is called) for component replacement? > >Stuart > From cph Wed Dec 8 17:16:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13869 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:16:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15283; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:13:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15051; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15031; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (159.199.101.1 -> charon.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:12:59 -0500 Received: from charon.amdahl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12887 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12883 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m11vpKT-00015IC; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:12 PST Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA00320; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29351; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: <19991208141853.44671@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:18:53 -0800 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Problems with EzServ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, my TP760XL just came back from EzServ not working, again! I sent it in almost 2 weeks ago, because it would not suspend. It came back last thursday, after they replaced the motherboard (and the keyboar for stiff keys). On power up, the screen was barely visible, even with the control slide all the way up. I sent it in again last friday, and it just came back, with the same identical problem: the screen is barely visible. I just spent an hour on the phone with the Repair Quality service, and the most they offer is to send it back to be repaired, for a third time. My problem is that I am leaving for Europe on friday. Does anyone know if IBM has a service such that they can loan me an equivalent machine for the duration of my trip? Does anyone have any additional comments and/or suggestions? Thanks in advance. Serenella Ciongoli From cph Wed Dec 8 23:23:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15938 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:23:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05064; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:20:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04974; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04960; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:20:14 -0500 Received: from markspc (dialup051.softhouse.com [207.74.44.51]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA19339 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:20:10 -0500 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: 755CE RAM upgrade Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <004701bf41f4$6c0ed400$092c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to upgrade my 755CE from the 8megs I now have to a reasonable max. It's my understanding that there exists a 16MB DRAM Card or I can go with a DIMM adapter filled with two 16MB DIMM's. Is this correct? I'm running Win 95, and have no plans to go to Win98 on this machine (I already did, and went back to Win 95 after a total reformat and partition of the 810 hard drive). Is there a limit to how much memory a 486 running Win 95 will access? What price should I expect to pay for the adapter and DIMMs if I go that route? What price should I expect to pay for a 16 meg DRAM Card? Retail or EBay? Thanks, Mark From cph Thu Dec 9 00:38:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA16219 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:38:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08649; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:37:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08554; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08541; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:36:57 -0500 Received: from oscar ([32.101.226.28]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <199912090536542290208o7re>; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:36:54 +0000 Message-ID: <004901bf4207$4a44f260$1ce26520@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:36:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never tried it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port replicator for their 755CD. ----- Original Message ----- > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) From cph Thu Dec 9 00:58:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA16301 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:58:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09662; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:57:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09567; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09421; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:53:37 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-5.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26139; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:51:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991209004748.012c9460@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 00:47:48 -0800 To: "Mark Andrew" , From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 755CE RAM upgrade In-Reply-To: <004701bf41f4$6c0ed400$092c4acf@markspc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:20 PM 12/08/1999 -0500, Mark Andrew wrote: >I'd like to upgrade my 755CE from the 8megs I now have to a reasonable max. >It's my understanding that there exists a 16MB DRAM Card or I can go with a >DIMM adapter filled with two 16MB DIMM's. Is this correct? > >I'm running Win 95, and have no plans to go to Win98 on this machine (I >already did, and went back to Win 95 after a total reformat and partition of >the 810 hard drive). Is there a limit to how much memory a 486 running Win >95 will access? > >What price should I expect to pay for the adapter and DIMMs if I go that >route? > >What price should I expect to pay for a 16 meg DRAM Card? > >Retail or EBay? #1. 755CE will take up to a 32meg IC DRAM card *or* the DIMM Adapter and 16 meg DIMMs. The DIMM solution was introduced when 32meg IC DRAM cards were not available. They are now available in an abundance. #2. The 755CE can use up to a total of 40megs (8megs onboard + 32megs) #3. I would check ebay or the usenet newsgroups FIRST before paying the $150+ a 32meg IC DRAM card costs, or even the $100 a 16meg IC DRAM card will run you. DIMMs are in the same park. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Dec 9 09:12:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA17728 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:12:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06291; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:10:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06103; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06080; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:10:00 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax59.vramp.net [198.138.8.122]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12609; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:09:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02e201bf424f$3bcd1990$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mark Andrew" , References: <004701bf41f4$6c0ed400$092c4acf@markspc> Subject: Re: 755CE RAM upgrade Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:11:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Mark Andrew" wrote: > I'd like to upgrade my 755CE from the 8megs I now have to a reasonable max. > It's my understanding that there exists a 16MB DRAM Card or I can go with a > DIMM adapter filled with two 16MB DIMM's. Is this correct? Go with the DRAM rather than the DIMMs as they are much more common on the auction sites. Your machine will max out at 40MB. > What price should I expect to pay for the adapter and DIMMs if I go that > route? Too much! > What price should I expect to pay for a 16 meg DRAM Card? Approx. $30 to $50 on eBay, I see them all the time. Sometimes they go for far less. The 32MB DRAM cards go for between $50 and up to $100 depending on demand, although I've seen them go for as little as $25. Regards, James From cph Thu Dec 9 09:32:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA17837 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:32:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07297; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:31:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07221; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07206; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:30:46 -0500 Received: from mstolp ([32.101.237.187]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <1999120914303925203dcsmbe>; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:30:39 +0000 Reply-To: From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: Cc: Subject: RE: TP770 - How to Reset Password? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.ab494f79.257e6000@aol.com> List-Unsubscribe: John, Your advice is right on - it works perfectly. Thanks. -- Warmest Regards. Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JEShoemaker@aol.com [mailto:JEShoemaker@aol.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:05 AM >> To: mstolp@xelan.com >> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: Re: TP770 - How to Reset Password? >> >> >> In a message dated 07/12/99 8:01:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> mstolp@xelan.com writes: >> >> > How do I reset the either the Logon Password or Supervisor Password? >> >> To remove the old password, boot up and at the password prompt: >> >> - enter password >> - hit spacebar once >> - hit ENTER >> >> To change/set a ThinkPad password read these sites: >> >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3JZNDP >> >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3JZS7U >> >> If you don't know the PowerOn Password, you'll probably need to >> call IBM Tech Support: 1-800-772-2227 or take the laptop to a >> local authorized service center. >> >> Hope this helps ... John >> From cph Thu Dec 9 09:45:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA17948 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:45:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08759; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:44:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08683; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08670; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:43:58 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00692 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:43:56 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19677 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:43:55 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:43:47 +0000 To: "ThinkPad List" , aquantrill@scigen.co.uk Subject: Re: 755CX alternating NiMH and Li-ION charge problems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA17949 Resending this - I still have the problem, and no-one answered last time. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 755CX alternating NiMH and Li-ION charge problems Author: Adam Quantrill at SGL1 Date: 12/1/99 10:23 AM I have a problem that the charge light doesn't seem to go on if I swap out a Li-ION and put in a NiMH, what is more the thing beeps every 5 seconds under W95. The NiMH battery seems to charge albeit slowly (took overnight for a full charge). The meter sees the battery charge, the presence or absence of the ac adapter, and conecting/disconnecting the adapter combined with combinations of resetting or shutting the lid didn't clear the problem. I even did a discharge-charge cycle to no avail. Until I tried the Li-ION I didn't have any problems with the NiMH, the meter and charging seemed normal. Any ideas? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Dec 9 11:56:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA18673 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:56:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18292; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:53:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18078; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18065; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:53:13 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02370; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:52:27 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22487; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:52:27 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:52:18 +0000 To: "Mark Andrew" , , "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: Re[2]: 755CE RAM upgrade MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA18674 Of course if you go the SO-DIMM route you can be flexible about the upgrade, you can go 8, 24, 40 without throwing away any hardware. 24 is quite reasonable if you are careful with OS's. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 755CE RAM upgrade Author: MIME:"James H. E. Maugham" at INTERNET Date: 12/9/99 2:13 PM "Mark Andrew" wrote: > I'd like to upgrade my 755CE from the 8megs I now have to a reasonable max. > It's my understanding that there exists a 16MB DRAM Card or I can go with a > DIMM adapter filled with two 16MB DIMM's. Is this correct? Go with the DRAM rather than the DIMMs as they are much more common on the auction sites. Your machine will max out at 40MB. > What price should I expect to pay for the adapter and DIMMs if I go that > route? Too much! > What price should I expect to pay for a 16 meg DRAM Card? Approx. $30 to $50 on eBay, I see them all the time. Sometimes they go for far less. The 32MB DRAM cards go for between $50 and up to $100 depending on demand, although I've seen them go for as little as $25. Regards, James ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Dec 9 12:37:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19045 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:37:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22190; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:35:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22091; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22078; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-84.gate.net [199.227.20.147]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA107732; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <384FE857.B00D8E14@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:35:19 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Serenella Ciongoli CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problems with EzServ References: <19991208141853.44671@eng.amdahl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: no such thing as a loaner from IBM, unless you get ahold of someone in management who can authorize such a thing.. they MIGHT have machines there that arte used as replacement machines when all else fails in repair attempts.. i have little here that i can loan you that will work.. reliably.. i DO have a 760CD, beat up but working, and a 760C, the floppy drive is kaput... some 701C's but this would require that the HDD be set up.. Serenella Ciongoli wrote: > Hi all, > > my TP760XL just came back from EzServ not working, again! > > I sent it in almost 2 weeks ago, because it would not suspend. > > It came back last thursday, after they replaced the motherboard (and the > keyboar for stiff keys). On power up, the screen was barely visible, even > with the control slide all the way up. > > I sent it in again last friday, and it just came back, with the same > identical problem: the screen is barely visible. > > I just spent an hour on the phone with the Repair Quality service, and the > most they offer is to send it back to be repaired, for a third time. > > My problem is that I am leaving for Europe on friday. > > Does anyone know if IBM has a service such that they can loan me an > equivalent machine for the duration of my trip? > > Does anyone have any additional comments and/or suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Serenella Ciongoli -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 9 12:43:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19072 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:43:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22746; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22655; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22639; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:29 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-84.gate.net [199.227.20.147]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA160656; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:40:07 -0500 Message-ID: <384FE99D.FD9E0A5D@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:40:46 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Franklin CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T References: <004901bf4207$4a44f260$1ce26520@oscar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to external floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different colors (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. Tom Franklin wrote: > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never tried > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port > replicator for their 755CD. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 9 12:53:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19135 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23724; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23649; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23636; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:50:31 -0500 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.46) with smtp id ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:50:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:50:25 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 570 - Whining? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, when moving windows on the desktop, the machine produces an annoying whining noice (both under W98 and FreeBSD). The same sound can be produced when text is scrolling etc. Perhaps I should say it's the graphics subsystem and not the machine producing this noise :-) Any ideas or hints? Thanks, Christoph Eyrich -- eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph Thu Dec 9 12:56:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19165 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:56:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24084; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23991; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23972; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (209.30.2.14 -> ogopogo.flash.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:33 -0500 Received: from s9i5e3 (216-215-81-226.flash.net [216.215.81.226]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00315; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:53:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <013901bf426e$3bd7d6e0$e251d7d8@s9i5e3> From: "Tom Collins" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: 560 parts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:52:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I recently removed the top cover of my 560X to replace the HD with a larger drive. No problem - all went smoothly. One of the major points trying to sell this 560X has been the crack on the plastic top cover at the left hinge. (The above mentioned cover is the HD cover and keyboard surround, not the display cover). I was very surprised to find the crack is purely superficial and no problem with the hinge at all. But potential buyers are SURE there is a major problem in the hinge. It appears to me the guy I bought it from downgraded the HD and cracked it. How much would a new cover cost? It's super easy to change. Is it worth it? One guy offered $400 less than my asking price for the whole system because of the tiny crack. I can't take such a loss. I'll keep it I guess. but a new cover would go far in helping me sell it so I can upgrade. Thanks, Tom From cph Thu Dec 9 13:19:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19303 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:19:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25612; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25511; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25497; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:21 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17799; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:17:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bf4271$a5e5c620$043e6420@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Tom Collins" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <013901bf426e$3bd7d6e0$e251d7d8@s9i5e3> Subject: Re: 560 parts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:17:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IBM wanted about $400 to replace mine, but last time I saw the part at the Boulder site it was only around $15. (I'd replace mine myself, but this would likely void my extended warrantee, which however appears to be useless anyway). If it is only a crack - not a missing piece - then ABS solvent adhesives (from plumbing supply stores) work very well on Thinkpad plastic. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Collins To: Bill Morrow Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:52 AM Subject: Re: 560 parts > I recently removed the top cover of my 560X to replace the HD with a larger > drive. > > No problem - all went smoothly. > > One of the major points trying to sell this 560X has been the crack on the > plastic top cover at the left hinge. (The above mentioned cover is the HD > cover and keyboard surround, not the display cover). I was very surprised to > find the crack is purely superficial and no problem with the hinge at all. > But potential buyers are SURE there is a major problem in the hinge. It > appears to me the guy I bought it from downgraded the HD and cracked it. > > How much would a new cover cost? It's super easy to change. Is it worth it? > One guy offered $400 less than my asking price for the whole system because > of the tiny crack. I can't take such a loss. > I'll keep it I guess. but a new cover would go far in helping me sell it so > I can upgrade. > > Thanks, > Tom > > > From cph Thu Dec 9 15:03:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20237 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:03:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03802; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:00:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03661; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from igd (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03646; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from igd (192.44.32.1 -> igd.igd.fhg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:59:57 -0500 Received: from heinrichschiff.igd.fhg.de by igd (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA29558; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:59:55 +0100 Received: from igd.fhg.de (intuition [153.97.135.69]) by heinrichschiff.igd.fhg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05972 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:59:54 +0100 (MET) Sender: starchik@igd.fhg.de Message-Id: <38500A3A.136CC4A6@igd.fhg.de> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:59:54 +0100 From: STARTCHIK Sergei Organization: Fraunhofer IGD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en, ru Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP755CD] Screen black. Please help. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dear all, A friend of mine has a TP755CD with Win95 on it. After some manipulations with adding a german keyboard the screen went black. They have tried to connect an external monitor and redirect vga output to it, but the other monitor seem to be also showing nothing. For me the problem is with the graphic adapter, but it might be (I hope) that something went wrong with the driver. I'll see the computer in two days, but before I start playing with it I would like to know your opinion. Is this problem known? What it might be: screen connector, vga adapter, driver, hibernation mode activation (for the screen) ... Please answer by email S. From cph Thu Dec 9 17:37:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21658 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:37:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14200; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:30:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14011; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13996; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:30:48 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial35.auto-net.com [208.154.252.84]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18984; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:23:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38502D7D.8B8D6EC4@iso.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:30:22 -0600 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T References: <004901bf4207$4a44f260$1ce26520@oscar> <384FE99D.FD9E0A5D@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My "research" says that the ends are specific, i.e. there is no pin-pin correspondence across all pins, maybe even none. It is the same cable for several machines - 700, 700C, 720, 720C, 730T, 730TE, Dock I & II and others? So my problem is a little closer to a solution. I can stop trying to scramble wire, 26! = a really big number of combinations. I don't think I have enough time left on this world! So back to trying to get a pin-out, trying to get some one to cable trace, or buying a cable (boy, does that ever go against my grain). Any one got the info??? Thanks, Bill Bill Morrow wrote: > if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to external > floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. > while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different colors > (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. > one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. > > Tom Franklin wrote: > > > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never tried > > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port > > replicator for their 755CD. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And > > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be > > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 9 18:38:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22173 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:38:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18138; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:34:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17912; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17899; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:34:54 -0500 Received: from attglobal.net ([32.100.223.245]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <1999120923344624300ht291e>; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:34:47 +0000 Message-ID: <38503CD3.A58B619@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:35:47 -0500 From: Claire Albahae X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA type 3 ATA hard drive unrecognized Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I'm trying to set up an IBM PCMCIA 105MB ATA hard drive in one of the type 3 slots of my Thinkpad 380XD (one slot on the Thinkpad and two in the port replicator) so that I can load software to use the drive on a little Thinkpad 730T I just purchased. In the 730T, the drive boots up and IPLs DOS 6.22. On the Thinkpad 380XD I boot either Win95, DOS 6.22/Win3.1, OS/2 Warp 4 or BootOS/2 from its internal PCI hard drive. I mostly use Warp 4. PC Card Director on Warp 4 works fine with the PCMCIA modem and lan cards I have. When the replicator is installed, Card Director shows rightfully that there are 4 slots, so does the TP configuration. But when I plug in the 105MB 730T harddrive, it shows the card as some sort of a memory card, saying 'Dead', , and a blank 'Client' screen. I tried every type III slot, with or without the dock, and always carefully cold docking. Same thing. The ATAmount utility says there are no ATA cards in the machine to mount. The other two PCMCIA cards are still well recognized. On standalone DOS, 'Cardsoft' cardinfo.exe program detects my other PCMCIA cards, and the 4 slots. But as soon as I boot with that little hard drive in a type III slot, all slots show up as unusable. Since Win95 was unable to boot when I plugged the replicator, since I don't have Win95 boot diskettes and suspect it would reformat my whole hard drive if I had to reinstall it, and since I dread what the wizard may do to my normal setup, I stayed away from experimenting with the PCMCIA drive with Win95. Back at Warp 4, the ATA driver is in the config.sys file, BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD /S:4 /!DM along with all other PCMCIA drivers. I looked at the PC Card Director files and noticed that the autoconfiguration program uses some *.SCR script files for the various devices, but could not locate a script for an ATA hard drive. Does it need a script file? Or am I missing something else in the setup? Claire From cph Thu Dec 9 19:04:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22331 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:04:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19780; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:02:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19685; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19672; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:01:57 -0500 Received: from bryan ([209.12.153.72]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:54:34 -0600 Message-ID: <002101bf42a1$d3f240e0$48990cd1@bryan> From: bwjones@zebra.net (Bryan Jones) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:01:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: When I traced the pins on my 730t cable, they all showed a straight through connection, if that helps you any. -----Original Message----- From: William Van Tuyl To: Bill Morrow Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T >My "research" says that the ends are specific, i.e. there is no pin-pin >correspondence across all pins, maybe even none. It is the same cable for several >machines - 700, 700C, 720, 720C, 730T, 730TE, Dock I & II and others? > >So my problem is a little closer to a solution. I can stop trying to scramble >wire, 26! = a really big number of combinations. I don't think I have enough time >left on this world! So back to trying to get a pin-out, trying to get some one to >cable trace, or buying a cable (boy, does that ever go against my grain). > >Any one got the info??? > >Thanks, Bill > >Bill Morrow wrote: > >> if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to external >> floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. >> while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different colors >> (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. >> one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. >> >> Tom Franklin wrote: >> >> > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never tried >> > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port >> > replicator for their 755CD. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And >> > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be >> > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) >> >> -- >> Happy trails... >> >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > From cph Thu Dec 9 19:24:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22512 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:24:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21398; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:22:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21297; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21279; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:22:36 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial48.auto-net.com [208.154.252.97]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22104; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:15:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <385047B0.B64620DF@iso.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:22:08 -0600 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Jones CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T References: <002101bf42a1$d3f240e0$48990cd1@bryan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is that straight through like in 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc.? Because if it is, then I may have bad or wired differently floppies since that is how I hooked up the cables so far. Thanks, Bill Bryan Jones wrote: > When I traced the pins on my 730t cable, they all showed a straight through > connection, if that helps you any. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Van Tuyl > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: ThinkPad List > Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T > > >My "research" says that the ends are specific, i.e. there is no pin-pin > >correspondence across all pins, maybe even none. It is the same cable for > several > >machines - 700, 700C, 720, 720C, 730T, 730TE, Dock I & II and others? > > > >So my problem is a little closer to a solution. I can stop trying to > scramble > >wire, 26! = a really big number of combinations. I don't think I have > enough time > >left on this world! So back to trying to get a pin-out, trying to get > some one to > >cable trace, or buying a cable (boy, does that ever go against my grain). > > > >Any one got the info??? > > > >Thanks, Bill > > > >Bill Morrow wrote: > > > >> if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to > external > >> floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. > >> while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different > colors > >> (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. > >> one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. > >> > >> Tom Franklin wrote: > >> > >> > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never > tried > >> > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port > >> > replicator for their 755CD. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And > >> > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be > >> > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) > >> > >> -- > >> Happy trails... > >> > >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > From cph Thu Dec 9 19:56:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22687 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:55:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23053; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:52:24 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22853; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:52:20 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA05473 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09020; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.45) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:45:12 -0500 Received: from notebook [200.0.213.37] by dialup.com.ar [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:42:00 -0300 From: "Dialup" To: Subject: 770ED - Freeze with blank screen or white vertical lines Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:45:15 -0300 Message-ID: <001801bf4254$01569200$24d500c8@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02e201bf424f$3bcd1990$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Return-Path: leandror@emk.com.ar List-Unsubscribe: My 770ED freezes when using outlook, Internet Explorer, the scroll button, and with other applications. Screens I saw: All white; all white with black vertical lines; all ligth grey with black vertical lines. The systems is completely freezed and I have to reset the computer. It's happening to me 3 or 4 times a day. Anyone had the same problem? Thank you in advance, Leandro From cph Thu Dec 9 20:49:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA22927 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:49:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26078; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:47:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25975; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25961; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.107 -> kepler.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:47:02 -0500 Received: from pa.msu.edu (senna.pa.msu.edu [35.8.50.35]) by kepler.pa.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24544; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:46:56 -0500 (EST) Sender: rockwell@pa.msu.edu Message-ID: <38505BE3.305EA012@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:48:20 +0000 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Installing NT4 without a CDRom Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've had the misfortune of nuking the NT4 setup one my 560x. Power off at a bad time corrupted some system files and I don't have a current ERD. I've just given up on trying to fix it, and am reinstalling NT4 now. While poking around usenet (via dejanews) for help, I found a link to a useful knowledge base article at MS. It turns out that it is fairly easy to make the NTsetup copy files from a DOS partition on the harddrive instead of a CD-Rom. I've used a more complicated procedure involving the WINNT32 command in the past. The location that NTsetup looks for the installations files is in a text file on the first of the 3 setup diskettes. Simply editting this text file will make NTsetup look for the files on any local disk. The file is txtsetup.sif. This is discussed in KB article q150497. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q150/4/97.asp It also talks about using the setupdd.sys (on diskette #2) from SP2 or higher - I didn't find this file in SP5; it was in SP3. To get it, startup the service pack install and then look for the file in a directory below the /temp folder. This works for both initial setup and repairs. Of course you have to have somewhere to put the files from the CD-ROM and a way of getting them there - a DOS partition and Linux with a network card should work well ;-) Tom From cph Thu Dec 9 21:50:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA23194 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:50:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28845; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:48:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28761; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28744; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:48:07 -0500 Received: from e770 (uofa202.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.116.202]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22728; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:47:45 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991209193755.00a7bf00@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:47:42 -0700 To: "Dialup" From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: 770ED - Freeze with blank screen or white vertical lines Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001801bf4254$01569200$24d500c8@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> References: <02e201bf424f$3bcd1990$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:45 AM 12/9/99 -0300, you wrote: >My 770ED freezes when using outlook, Internet Explorer, the scroll button, >and with other applications. > >Screens I saw: All white; all white with black vertical lines; all ligth >grey with black vertical lines. > >The systems is completely freezed and I have to reset the computer. > >It's happening to me 3 or 4 times a day. > >Anyone had the same problem? > >Thank you in advance, > >Leandro > Leandro, What OS and what rev of the video driver? I have a 770E (NT preload from IBM) running NT 4 SP3. I installed the a recent video driver from the IBM site and then I started having all kinds of video crashes with a frozen computer. Normally it was some pattern of vertical bars (usually 16 sets of some pattern). I also run UNIX (Sun Solaris) and it works fine so it the problem was not hardware. When the machine crashed running NT, the power switch had no effect - I had to use the little recessed reset button near the power switch. I requested help on the IBM forums and after some back and forth they sent me an older version of the NT video driver for the 770E/ED. I installed the older (V1.22) version and things now work OK. If you are running NT and are using 4.4051.11 of the video driver, I would go back a rev and see if that fixes things. Other posters on the forum with 770E/ED models were also reporting problems. I sure wish IBM would test things like drivers better before releasing them. I certainly will be more careful about using the latest version or at least save the previous version ... If you need v1.22, I can mail it to you. Stuart From cph Thu Dec 9 21:56:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA23204 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:56:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29183; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29099; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29086; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:37 -0500 Received: from andres (port10.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.11]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA37108 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:54:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991209215402.00a29590@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:54:02 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: An interesting new problem with my I series 1451 In-Reply-To: <385047B0.B64620DF@iso.net> References: <002101bf42a1$d3f240e0$48990cd1@bryan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My 1451 seems to have learned a new trick, which I wish it hadn't. For some time now, its seemed as if the upper right corner of the screen has been slightly dimmer than the rest of the screen, at times. Right now, with the screen having been on for several hours, the difference is either not there or is really very little. If it were always like this, I wouldn't mind. But the other night as I was pulling an all-nighter at work, I came to this unit and wiggled the trakpoint to wake it up to see what new mail I might have. When the screen came up, it was *pink* at the upper right corner, but started to fade back to the normal Eudora white/gray immediately. Within 15 seconds the pinkness was gone, though perhaps a little more dim in that region. Since then, I've seen this a few more times. I believe it to be at least partially temperature related, the colder the more likely this is to happen. The last time I saw this effect, most of the screen was pink, with the lower left corner being least so, and the usual upper right being the worst. Again, within about 15 seconds or so the screen reverted to its normal state. Has anyone else seen this? This unit is still under warrenty but a certain curiosity keeps me from calling EZ serve, just to see what will happen here. I know I should call it in, because one of these days its going to die--or become permently pink! But I'm still wondering if this is a failure mode that others have seen. Thanks, --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu From cph Thu Dec 9 22:24:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23334 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:23:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00736; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:20:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00604; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from wally.bu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00574; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wally.bu.edu (168.122.247.54 -> BAYS091-0801-054.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:20:36 -0500 Received: from bu.edu (IDENT:aturley@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wally.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17560 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:21:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199912100321.WAA17560@wally.bu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: what kind of RAM does the 365x use? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:21:25 -0500 From: Andrew Turley List-Unsubscribe: My dad just ordered a 365x, but it only has 8MB of RAM. I have a few 32MB 72-pin EDO chips sitting around. Will these work in the 365x, or is there a special kind of chip for these? Thanks. andy -- This is an experimental signature file, specially designed to not offend anyone. If you find it offensive, let me know and I will change it. ~~/~/~~ Andrew Turley == aturley@bu.edu From cph Thu Dec 9 22:40:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23395 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:40:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01671; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:37:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01584; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01567; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:37:35 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc7-01.ismi.net [207.51.197.56]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA22258; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:37:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03c401bf42c8$a9d58b60$3848abd0@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , "Andrew Turley" Subject: Re: what kind of RAM does the 365x use? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:40:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Andrew... the 365X uses 144-pin EDO DIMM... it has only one (1) slot available for expansion. Max RAM is 40mb via the 32mb upgrade...I recommend at least the 16mb DIMM...and 40 is essential if you're gonna run Win98... I have a bunch of extra 16mb's if you have need, and a few 32mb. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Turley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: what kind of RAM does the 365x use? >My dad just ordered a 365x, but it only has 8MB of RAM. I have a few 32MB >72-pin EDO chips sitting around. Will these work in the 365x, or is there a >special kind of chip for these? Thanks. > >andy >-- >This is an experimental signature file, specially designed to not offend > anyone. If you find it offensive, let me know and I will change it. > ~~/~/~~ > Andrew Turley == aturley@bu.edu > > From cph Fri Dec 10 00:22:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23840 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:22:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06200; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:20:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06113; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06100; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:20:32 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-146.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.146]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA72610; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:08:57 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912100508.HAA72610@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:21:06 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38503CD3.A58B619@attglobal.net> Cc: Claire Albahae Subject: Re: PCMCIA type 3 ATA hard drive unrecognized X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 09 Dec 1999 at 06:35 PM you, Claire Albahae , said: >I'm trying to set up an IBM PCMCIA 105MB ATA hard drive in one of the I'm afraid you have managed to get one of the few PCMCIA devices that is not supported by PC Card (at least under OS/2, which is what I too am using): http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/uguide/600/c79ehm24.htm HTH, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Dec 10 09:04:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25640 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:04:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06055; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:02:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05959; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05946; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:02:29 -0500 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.153.51]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:54:21 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01bf4306$8d014a40$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> From: bwjones@zebra.net (Bryan Jones) To: Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:03:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I held both ends of the cable facing me, then used an ohmmeter on each pin. These connectors both looked like mini printer connectors, and I started at the top (wide side) left on both and each of the pins gave continuity. I don't know what the pin numbers were, sorry, but they were in the same location on both jacks. -----Original Message----- From: William Van Tuyl To: Bryan Jones Cc: ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T >Is that straight through like in 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc.? Because if it is, then I >may have bad or wired differently floppies since that is how I hooked up the >cables so far. > >Thanks, Bill > >Bryan Jones wrote: > >> When I traced the pins on my 730t cable, they all showed a straight through >> connection, if that helps you any. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: William Van Tuyl >> To: Bill Morrow >> Cc: ThinkPad List >> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:33 PM >> Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T >> >> >My "research" says that the ends are specific, i.e. there is no pin-pin >> >correspondence across all pins, maybe even none. It is the same cable for >> several >> >machines - 700, 700C, 720, 720C, 730T, 730TE, Dock I & II and others? >> > >> >So my problem is a little closer to a solution. I can stop trying to >> scramble >> >wire, 26! = a really big number of combinations. I don't think I have >> enough time >> >left on this world! So back to trying to get a pin-out, trying to get >> some one to >> >cable trace, or buying a cable (boy, does that ever go against my grain). >> > >> >Any one got the info??? >> > >> >Thanks, Bill >> > >> >Bill Morrow wrote: >> > >> >> if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to >> external >> >> floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. >> >> while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different >> colors >> >> (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. >> >> one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. >> >> >> >> Tom Franklin wrote: >> >> >> >> > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I never >> tried >> >> > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port >> >> > replicator for their 755CD. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And >> >> > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be >> >> > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Happy trails... >> >> >> >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> > >> > > > From cph Fri Dec 10 10:27:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26106 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:27:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14581; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14382; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14367; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:21 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-367.gate.net [199.227.173.113]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21166; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:15 -0500 Message-ID: <38511B32.2450E623@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:24:34 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Collins CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 560 parts References: <013901bf426e$3bd7d6e0$e251d7d8@s9i5e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom... i have a customer who has two dead 560's with good displays.. not sure he wants to sell the keyboard bezel (uhh, it IS the kbd bezel? right??) but i think he would work some sort of 3 way swap, since he has TWO good displays and two DEAD system boards.. I'll mention it to him.. what are you wanting for the 560X.. ? Tom Collins wrote: > I recently removed the top cover of my 560X to replace the HD with a larger > drive. > > No problem - all went smoothly. > > One of the major points trying to sell this 560X has been the crack on the > plastic top cover at the left hinge. (The above mentioned cover is the HD > cover and keyboard surround, not the display cover). I was very surprised to > find the crack is purely superficial and no problem with the hinge at all. > But potential buyers are SURE there is a major problem in the hinge. It > appears to me the guy I bought it from downgraded the HD and cracked it. > > How much would a new cover cost? It's super easy to change. Is it worth it? > One guy offered $400 less than my asking price for the whole system because > of the tiny crack. I can't take such a loss. > I'll keep it I guess. but a new cover would go far in helping me sell it so > I can upgrade. > > Thanks, > Tom -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Fri Dec 10 10:37:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26200 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:37:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15537; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15458; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb.iu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15437; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb.iu.net (198.69.25.2 -> bb.iu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:18 -0500 Received: from uxledkvk (max-roc11-39.digital.net [204.215.230.39]) by bb.iu.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26804 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:30:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701bf4324$2800fbe0$27e6d7cc@uxledkvk> From: "Guy Pelchat" To: Subject: Help Installing Windows98 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:35:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF42FA.3E16C4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF42FA.3E16C4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all Gurus Win95b is presently on my 770ED, purchased to replace an old Toshiba, = and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98 CD that came with = my desktop and a Win98 Second Edition Updates which I just purchased. = The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an upgrade version. Is it = really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and will I need to = reinstall all my applications? Advice would be greatly appreciated. Guy ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF42FA.3E16C4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Win95b is presently on my 770ED,  purchased to = replace an=20 old Toshiba, and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98 = CD that=20 came with my desktop  and a Win98 Second Edition Updates which I = just=20 purchased. The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an upgrade = version. Is it=20 really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and will I need to = reinstall=20 all my applications? Advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF42FA.3E16C4C0-- From cph Fri Dec 10 11:19:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26550 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:19:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18431; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:09:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17988; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17974; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.229.19 -> fb01.eng00.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:09:48 -0500 Received: from user-38ld042.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld042.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.130]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11035 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912101609.LAA11035@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199908111728.NAA11654@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 760CD to 760XL drive List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I am trying to move a 3.0 gig IBM drive loaded wint Win95 (A) from a TP 760CD to a TP760XL. I don't see why this would present a problem, except for the video and sound drivers. The XL runs fine using a 3rd drive loaded with Win95B. I took the display down to VGA just to be sure, moved the drive, and was forced into Safe Mode. Changed to display driver to the Cyber driver for PCI, but it would not boot again, except into Safe Mode. All it does is hang as if trying to boot, and buzz the swap file like crazy, then eventually Blue Screen into load failure. I will drivecopy the backup onto this test drive -- and start all over. If you have any ideas on what is going wrong, please let me know. Allan Ballard 760CD 64Mb 760XL 104Mb both running 'dose95 From cph Fri Dec 10 11:41:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26750 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:41:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20415; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20264; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20251; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:53 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id LAA18932 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:51 -0500 (EST) Sender: rbell1@netscape.net Received: from netscape.net (h-177-221.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.177.221]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA18762; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:39:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38512C4D.491AFB9D@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:37:33 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Pelchat CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help Installing Windows98 References: <001701bf4324$2800fbe0$27e6d7cc@uxledkvk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The Win98 SE "Update", if priced around $30-45, is probably not a full installation of Windows. In almost all previous versions of Windows, the 'upgrade' installation disk actually contained a full version, but it required proof of prior license. Since this is an 'update', I think it only has enough files to update an existing installation of Win98 to SE. With Win98SE I believe MS started offering three deployment methods: full version, product upgrade (for Win95 users), and product update (for existing Win98 users). If you have appropriate licenses for the products, you do have the correct CDs to perform a Win98 install over the existing Win95, as long as your desktop came with a real Win98 CD and not just a 'recovery CD'. Use the Win98 CD from your desktop and upgrade (or do a fresh install) of Win98 onto your Win95 system, then use the Win98SE CD to update it to SE. If the desktop CD is actually a recovery CD, then things become a lot more complicated and might not work at all. However, even without a real Win98 CD from your desktop system, you may be lucky enough to find all the *.CAB files on the system somewhere (check under C:\Windows). If you do, you can copy those and all other files in that directory to the Win95 system and install from them. Unless the Win95 system is very recently built, or you have a very complex installation of additional software, I recommend starting from scratch. With either method you'll want to re-install all IBM ThinkPad specific Win98 drivers (audio, video, ultrabay, etc.) afterwards anyway. If you upgrade over Win95 you'll be able to keep your existing software without having to re-install, but if you do a from-scratch install you'll likely have a more stable and clean system. HTH, Rob Guy Pelchat wrote: > To all Gurus Win95b is presently on my 770ED, purchased to replace > an old Toshiba, and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98 > CD that came with my desktop and a Win98 Second Edition Updates which > I just purchased. The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an > upgrade version. Is it really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 > upgrade and will I need to reinstall all my applications? Advice would > be greatly appreciated. Guy From cph Fri Dec 10 11:53:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26845 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:53:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21503; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21422; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21409; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:19 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id LAA27422 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: rbell1@netscape.net Received: from netscape.net (h-177-221.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.177.221]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA27362; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:48:58 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive References: <199912101609.LAA11035@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Windows systems are quite picky about their originally installed hardware. I've tried to do similar things to what your attempting, both by physically moving hard drives and by making Ghost images of partitions and applying those to new systems. Even on systems that are supposedly identical (same model number, same specs), I've seen Windows have big problems. If you absolutely cannot do a fresh install on the new system, you could try this: Boot into Win95 on the old system, then go into device manager and remove all devices. Don't reboot, even if prompted, until you're all done. Shut down and move the drive to the new system, then boot up and hope that Windows goes through the motions of recognizing all hardware again. I don't want to give you the impression that this will surely work. It's just as likely to mangle things far beyond hope, but, hey, it's something... Good luck, Rob Allan wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to move a 3.0 gig IBM drive loaded > wint Win95 (A) from a TP 760CD to a TP760XL. > > I don't see why this would present a problem, > except for the video and sound drivers. The > XL runs fine using a 3rd drive loaded with > Win95B. > > I took the display down to VGA just to be sure, > moved the drive, and was forced into Safe > Mode. Changed to display driver to the > Cyber driver for PCI, but it would not boot > again, except into Safe Mode. > > All it does is hang as if trying to boot, > and buzz the swap file like crazy, > then eventually Blue Screen into > load failure. > > I will drivecopy the backup onto this test drive -- and start all over. > > If you have any ideas on what is going > wrong, please let me know. > > Allan Ballard > 760CD 64Mb > 760XL 104Mb > both running 'dose95 From cph Fri Dec 10 11:54:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26849 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:54:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21730; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21639; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21213; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:48:39 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-96.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.96]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA28045; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991210114915.012ceb10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:49:15 -0800 To: "Allan " , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive In-Reply-To: <199912101609.LAA11035@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> References: <199908111728.NAA11654@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:10 AM 12/10/1999 -0500, Allan wrote: >Hello! > >I am trying to move a 3.0 gig IBM drive loaded >wint Win95 (A) from a TP 760CD to a TP760XL. > >I don't see why this would present a problem, >except for the video and sound drivers. The >XL runs fine using a 3rd drive loaded with >Win95B. > >I took the display down to VGA just to be sure, >moved the drive, and was forced into Safe >Mode. Changed to display driver to the >Cyber driver for PCI, but it would not boot >again, except into Safe Mode. > >All it does is hang as if trying to boot, >and buzz the swap file like crazy, >then eventually Blue Screen into >load failure. > >I will drivecopy the backup onto this test drive -- and start all over. > >If you have any ideas on what is going >wrong, please let me know. The problem is that it isn't just video and sound. When you install Win9x, it literally trys to detect every device, bios feature, and everything else it can find. Those it can't identify get put into the unknown bin. :) Now, if you want to move an installation over to a different platform, your best bet is to remove the "enum" key in the registry (The whole thing). This little jewel is the starting block and has all the low level devices detected. Boot into safe mode, remove it, reboot, and Win9x will start redetecting all the System devices while leaving your install and programs intact. Now, this doesn't work ALL the time, but I've done this for clients, and I've been able to get ~90% of machines back up and running with zero changes to their install. So, to recap: #1. Make sure you have ALL needed drivers for your 765XL on disks or on the HD ready for when Win9x asks for them. #2. Boot into safe mode. #3. Run regedit. #4. Remove HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum (The whole folder) #5. Reboot #6. Get ready to reboot NUMEROUS times as Windows goes into a detection frenzy. :) #7. Hope that the install is stable enough so it will take ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. 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In-Reply-To: <000c01bf4306$8d014a40$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If anyone is looking for a dirt cheap TP770z, NECX has one available as an open box return for $2699.00. This is the 14.1" TFT model w/ DVD (954981U). FYI, www.shopper.com has this one listed at $4000 for the cheapest source. CDW is selling them for $4397.00 and NECX is selling them for $4400. This is an awesome deal for someone. I was tempted to purchase this one for inventory, but I fought the urge! :) http://necxdirect.necx.com:80/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000144475&nonce=guest They only have one, so I guess it is first come first serve. :) (Damn, and I just bought 2 of 'em for clients.) 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Dec 10 13:52:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27674 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:52:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02008; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:49:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01879; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01866; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:49:52 -0500 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15035; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:12:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'Guy Pelchat'" , Subject: RE: Help Installing Windows98 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:14:04 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01bf4342$b9f7f1c0$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF4310.6F5D81C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001701bf4324$2800fbe0$27e6d7cc@uxledkvk> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF4310.6F5D81C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guy, Did the same thing on my 600...started off with a fresh rev of Win98. Before starting, I downloaded almost 20 bios upgrades, drivers disks, etc. off the IBM web site, put them all on floppies, and labeled them. Then I copied all my data to D:\. I formatted C: and did the installation, then drivers, then reinstalled all the old software. I keep data on D and back it up to zip weekly. 2 things I learned the hard way - I originally did the upgrade to speed up the cheesy Win modem. It didn't make any difference. I've since bought my boss a TP600 with NT4.0 and 128Mb RAM, and now I wish I'd just went straight to NT. Hope this helps, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Guy Pelchat [mailto:gpelchat@iu.net] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:35 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help Installing Windows98 To all Gurus Win95b is presently on my 770ED, purchased to replace an old Toshiba, and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98 CD that came with my desktop and a Win98 Second Edition Updates which I just purchased. The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an upgrade version. Is it really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and will I need to reinstall all my applications? Advice would be greatly appreciated. Guy ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF4310.6F5D81C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guy,
 
Did=20 the same thing on my 600...started off with a fresh rev of Win98.  = Before=20 starting, I downloaded almost 20 bios upgrades, drivers disks, etc. off = the IBM=20 web site, put them all on floppies, and labeled them.  Then I = copied all my=20 data to D:\.  I formatted C: and did the installation, then = drivers, then=20 reinstalled all the old software.  I keep data on D and back it up = to zip=20 weekly.
 
2 things I learned the hard way -=20
 
I=20 originally did the upgrade to speed up the cheesy Win modem.  It = didn't=20 make any difference.
 
I've=20 since bought my boss a TP600 with NT4.0 and 128Mb RAM, and now I wish = I'd just=20 went straight to NT.
 
Hope=20 this helps,
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Pelchat=20 [mailto:gpelchat@iu.net]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 = 9:35=20 AM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Help = Installing=20 Windows98

To all Gurus
 
Win95b is presently on my 770ED,  purchased = to replace=20 an old Toshiba, and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98=20 CD that came with my desktop  and a Win98 Second Edition = Updates=20 which I just purchased. The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an = upgrade=20 version. Is it really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and = will I=20 need to reinstall all my applications? Advice would be greatly=20 appreciated.
 
Guy
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF4310.6F5D81C0-- From cph Fri Dec 10 13:59:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27752 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:59:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02606; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02500; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02485; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:01 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-498.gate.net [199.227.173.244]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24730; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <38514D01.3AA10C8@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:57:05 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Jones CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T References: <000c01bf4306$8d014a40$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if you are looking at the open end of the connector, with the wide side up, then pin#1 is on the top left.. my old fluke (with dead battery light telling me that time is limited) does not show a short between pin1 and pin1, assuming that the probes are even sharp enough to contact the gold plating of the contact surface.. so, this test is ambiguous.. (sorry, i ran out of hands trying to hold two connectors that want to point in other inconvienent directions and two probes of questionable lineage) BUT, this cable IS polarized.. it is the old dock-1 (or 2) to external floppy cable.. right now its on my 760CD to an external floppy.. if you guys want me to i'll take a pic and post it in an e-mail or on my web site.. and, i suppose, i can later clamp the connectors in a bench vice and try to trace the connections.. also, the plastic hoods on these DO pop off (slide backward doen the cable) if you spread them in one direction or another.. so, given more time later, i might do that, and thus look at the wiring.. Bryan Jones wrote: > I held both ends of the cable facing me, then used an ohmmeter on each pin. > These connectors both looked like mini printer connectors, and I started at > the top (wide side) left on both and each of the pins gave continuity. I > don't know what the pin numbers were, sorry, but they were in the same > location on both jacks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Van Tuyl > To: Bryan Jones > Cc: ThinkPad List > Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T > > >Is that straight through like in 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc.? Because if it is, > then I > >may have bad or wired differently floppies since that is how I hooked up > the > >cables so far. > > > >Thanks, Bill > > > >Bryan Jones wrote: > > > >> When I traced the pins on my 730t cable, they all showed a straight > through > >> connection, if that helps you any. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: William Van Tuyl > >> To: Bill Morrow > >> Cc: ThinkPad List > >> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:33 PM > >> Subject: Re: Floppy cable for 730T > >> > >> >My "research" says that the ends are specific, i.e. there is no pin-pin > >> >correspondence across all pins, maybe even none. It is the same cable > for > >> several > >> >machines - 700, 700C, 720, 720C, 730T, 730TE, Dock I & II and others? > >> > > >> >So my problem is a little closer to a solution. I can stop trying to > >> scramble > >> >wire, 26! = a really big number of combinations. I don't think I have > >> enough time > >> >left on this world! So back to trying to get a pin-out, trying to get > >> some one to > >> >cable trace, or buying a cable (boy, does that ever go against my > grain). > >> > > >> >Any one got the info??? > >> > > >> >Thanks, Bill > >> > > >> >Bill Morrow wrote: > >> > > >> >> if this is the case, then that is the same cable used for the dock2 to > >> external > >> >> floppy in the days of the 755CD/dock1 and dock2.. > >> >> while the ends are the same, if i recall correctly, they are different > >> colors > >> >> (grey and black) and must be used as marked.. > >> >> one end (grey) on the floppy, the other (black) on the machine.. > >> >> > >> >> Tom Franklin wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I had a cable for a 730T once. FWIW: The ends aren't marked. I > never > >> tried > >> >> > it on a 730T though. The person I sold it to uses it on their port > >> >> > replicator for their 755CD. > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > > So would someone tell me if the ends are specific? And > >> >> > > would someone trace the pins? A BIG favor that might be > >> >> > > repaid somehow. (Maybe points in Thinkpad Heaven or ??) > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Happy trails... > >> >> > >> >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >> >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >> >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >> > > >> > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Fri Dec 10 14:02:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27770 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02978; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:00:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02872; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02842; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:00:04 -0500 Received: from TP560 (96-190.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.190]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA75580 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:48:20 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912101848.UAA75580@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:58:53 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: which ThinkPad for voice recognition? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.01 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just installed Warp4 (French version) on my TP560X and played a bit with its integrated VoiceType Dictation. OK, it was surprisingly impressive but I know it's already 3-4 years old and smarter (eg. handling continuous speech) voice recognition software is nowadays available for Windows (IBM ViaVoice, Dragon Dictate etc.). I may buy a newer ThinkPad next year and, with voice recognition in mind, I would like to know what the minimum requirements are for a _viable_ (as opposed to the minimum requirements advertised by the software vendors) use of voice recognition. Is CPU the single most important factor? Or are RAM and the sound card important too? I would especially welcome comments from people who are actually actively using voice recognition on their ThinkPads (or other machines, for that matter). Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Dec 10 14:03:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27782 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:03:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03244; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03168; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03154; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:18 -0500 Received: from NewPad ([198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27475; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Tom Rockwell" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Installing NT4 without a CDRom Drive Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38505BE3.305EA012@pa.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This may be monday morning quarterbacking, but you don't need to mess with the .sif file to install NT from the hard drive. You don't need boot floppies at all. If you have the NT install directory on a DOS partition, you can just boot >from a DOS floppy, CD to the install directory, and use this command: winnt /b winnt.exe and winnt32.exe are basically the same program--winnt.exe is a DOS executable; winnt32.exe is a 32-bit Windows console [command line] executable. The .sif trick does sound useful for making a set of boot floppies that will work for emergency repair with the NT setup files on the hard drive. BTW, you can make a fresh set of boot floppies this way: winnt /ox To get a list of other winnt.exe command line options, use: winnt /? In any case, you've already got the problem solved; I'm just mentioning this for the benefit of the other members of the list. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Rockwell [mailto:rockwell@pa.msu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:48 PM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Installing NT4 without a CDRom Drive > > > I've had the misfortune of nuking the NT4 setup one my 560x. Power off > at a bad time corrupted some system files and I don't have a current > ERD. I've just given up on trying to fix it, and am reinstalling NT4 > now. > > While poking around usenet (via dejanews) for help, I found a link to a > useful knowledge base article at MS. It turns out that it is fairly > easy to make the NTsetup copy files from a DOS partition on the > harddrive instead of a CD-Rom. I've used a more complicated procedure > involving the WINNT32 command in the past. > > The location that NTsetup looks for the installations files is in a text > file on the first of the 3 setup diskettes. Simply editting this text > file will make NTsetup look for the files on any local disk. The file > is txtsetup.sif. This is discussed in KB article q150497. > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q150/4/97.asp > > It also talks about using the setupdd.sys (on diskette #2) from SP2 or > higher - I didn't find this file in SP5; it was in SP3. To get it, > startup the service pack install and then look for the file in a > directory below the /temp folder. > > This works for both initial setup and repairs. Of course you have to > have somewhere to put the files from the CD-ROM and a way of getting > them there - a DOS partition and Linux with a network card should work > well ;-) > > Tom > From cph Fri Dec 10 14:26:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27948 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:26:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04867; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:23:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04775; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAB04477; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:19:45 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-22.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.22]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10935 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991210142023.013cc100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:20:23 -0800 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Tp770z/$2699.00 (Get is while it's hot!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991210102701.00825ac0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <000c01bf4306$8d014a40$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:27 AM 12/10/1999 -0800, Mark Bell wrote: >If anyone is looking for a dirt cheap >TP770z, NECX has one available as an >open box return for $2699.00. This is >the 14.1" TFT model w/ DVD (954981U). >FYI, www.shopper.com has this one listed >at $4000 for the cheapest source. CDW >is selling them for $4397.00 and NECX >is selling them for $4400. This is an >awesome deal for someone. I was tempted >to purchase this one for inventory, but >I fought the urge! :) > >http://necxdirect.necx.com:80/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000144475&nonce=guest > >They only have one, so I guess it is >first come first serve. :) (Damn, and >I just bought 2 of 'em for clients.) > >(Do I really need to put in the standard > non-affiliation disclaimer here? ) Welp, it's GONE. That was fast! :) Congrats to the new owner! $2699.00 for a full warrantied 954981U is an awesome deal. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Dec 10 14:34:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28013 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:34:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05927; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:32:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAB05815; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05760; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (194.213.74.51 -> hromeo.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:32:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 20206 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from enok.algonet.se (194.213.74.88) by gam-hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from du219-153.ppp.algonet.se ([195.100.153.219]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier1.0.4) with ESMTP ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:32:31 GMT Message-ID: <000c01bf4344$bcd55d40$db9964c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: [TP600] How do I enable the serial port ??? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:28:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF434D.1D101800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF434D.1D101800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody ! I have some problems getting the serial port to work on my Thinkpad 600. = I tested with Hyperterminal and a null modem plug (pin 2 soldered to pin 3 on a D-sub). I did manage to get echo = characters on COM2 but then I realised it is the win modem (I typed atdt and manage to connect to my ISP). Since there is = only one serial port on the following information would be extreamly = helpful: 1) Which COM is supposed to be the serial port when it works, COM1, COM2 = .. COM4 ??? 2) What do I need to enable disable to get it working ( I have disabled = IR and I tried disabling the modem but it made no differense) Or how do I do it... Thanks for any tip ! Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF434D.1D101800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody !
 
I have some problems getting the serial port to work = on my=20 Thinkpad 600. I tested with Hyperterminal and a null modem = plug
(pin 2 soldered to pin 3 on a D-sub). I did manage = to get echo=20 characters on COM2 but then I realised it is the win modem
(I typed atdt <tel nr> and manage to connect = to my ISP).=20 Since there is only one serial port on the following information would = be=20 extreamly helpful:
 
1) Which COM is supposed to be the serial port = when it=20 works, COM1, COM2 .. COM4 ???
 
2) What do I need to enable disable to get it = working ( I have=20 disabled IR and I tried disabling the modem but it made no=20 differense)
 
Or how do I do it...
 
Thanks for any tip !
 
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF434D.1D101800-- From cph Fri Dec 10 14:56:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28234 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:56:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07725; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:53:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07623; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07370; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:49:49 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-22.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.22]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21614 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:24:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991210141918.013cd180@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:19:18 -0800 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive In-Reply-To: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> References: <199912101609.LAA11035@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:48 AM 12/10/1999 -0600, Rob Bell wrote: >If you absolutely cannot do a fresh install on the new system, you could >try this: Boot into Win95 on the old system, then go into device manager >and remove all devices. Don't reboot, even if prompted, until you're all >done. Shut down and move the drive to the new system, then boot up and >hope that Windows goes through the motions of recognizing all hardware >again. I don't want to give you the impression that this will surely >work. It's just as likely to mangle things far beyond hope, but, hey, it's >something... Removing the enum registry entry will target more devices and force Windows to recreate the entire low level detection phase and replace the entry. Of course it doesn't guarantee a successful move, but it is a lot more useful than removing devices (and easier too! ). Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Dec 10 15:13:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28371 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:13:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09324; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:10:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09200; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09168; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (24.2.68.68 -> ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:10:40 -0500 Received: from CX417385-A ([24.4.101.35]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991210201000.EWGM8732.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:10:00 -0800 From: "Bill.Fayssoux" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:10:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Bill.Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 560 E & new HD Message-Id: <19991210201000.EWGM8732.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to replace the 2GB drive in my 560E with an IBM DBCA-206480, I flashed the BIOS using the most recent from the IBM site. Pulled the 2GB, installed it and the 6GB drive in a desktop system, used DriveCopy 2.02 to create the new drive. Installed the 6GB drive in the 560E. Win 98 gives me a non-system disk error when trying to boot. I can boot from the floppy run the diagnostic test on the HD, even scan disk says all is well. I also tried to install 98 by copying the WIN98 folder from the CD to the HD and using the HD as the source drive for the install files, this works very well on desktop machines, but I can not get this little trick to work either. There must be some one out there that has fought this battle and won... thanks bill From cph Fri Dec 10 15:35:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28500 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:35:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11129; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11015; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11002; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:25 -0500 Received: from rchalk (1Cust161.tnt7.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.64.161]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24802; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:31:14 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Bill.Fayssoux" , Subject: RE: 560 E & new HD Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:31:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991210201000.EWGM8732.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Did you remember to add system files to the boot partition (SYS.COM) and to make the partition active using FDISK or similar? Richard -----Original Message----- From: Bill.Fayssoux [mailto:Bill.Fayssoux@home.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:10 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560 E & new HD I am trying to replace the 2GB drive in my 560E with an IBM DBCA-206480, I flashed the BIOS using the most recent from the IBM site. Pulled the 2GB, installed it and the 6GB drive in a desktop system, used DriveCopy 2.02 to create the new drive. Installed the 6GB drive in the 560E. Win 98 gives me a non-system disk error when trying to boot. I can boot from the floppy run the diagnostic test on the HD, even scan disk says all is well. I also tried to install 98 by copying the WIN98 folder from the CD to the HD and using the HD as the source drive for the install files, this works very well on desktop machines, but I can not get this little trick to work either. There must be some one out there that has fought this battle and won... thanks bill From cph Fri Dec 10 17:47:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29585 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:47:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21264; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:45:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21175; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cis9.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20972; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cis9.cableone.net (24.116.0.51 -> squeal.cabletwo.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:44:48 -0500 Received: from ron ([24.116.4.139]) by cis9.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bf4360$328a2960$8b047418@ron> From: "Ron" To: "Guy Pelchat" , References: <001701bf4324$2800fbe0$27e6d7cc@uxledkvk> Subject: Re: Help Installing Windows98 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:45:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF432D.E71EADC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF432D.E71EADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok here is how you do this before you upgrade to win 98 reboot to dos in = safe mode command prompt only. make sure you can get to your win 98 CD = or the win 98 files from here. now change to your win 95 directory and rename the file win.com to = anything you want. then run the win98 upgrade or second edition.. as a safety precaution you might want to uninstall I.E. 40 if you have = it... it tends to make the install a little easier..=20 hope this helps=20 Charles McDaniel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Guy Pelchat=20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:35 AM Subject: Help Installing Windows98 To all Gurus =20 Win95b is presently on my 770ED, purchased to replace an old Toshiba, = and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98 CD that came with = my desktop and a Win98 Second Edition Updates which I just purchased. = The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an upgrade version. Is it = really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and will I need to = reinstall all my applications? Advice would be greatly appreciated. Guy ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF432D.E71EADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ok here is how you do this before you = upgrade to=20 win 98 reboot to dos in safe mode command prompt only. make sure you can = get to=20 your win 98 CD or the win 98 files from here.
now change to your win 95 directory and = rename the=20 file win.com to anything you want.
 then run the win98 upgrade = or second=20 edition..
as a safety precaution you might want = to uninstall=20 I.E. 40 if you have it... it tends to make the install a little=20 easier.. 
hope this helps
Charles McDaniel
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Guy = Pelchat
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 = 9:35=20 AM
Subject: Help Installing = Windows98

To all Gurus
 
Win95b is presently on my 770ED,  purchased = to replace=20 an old Toshiba, and I would like to upgrade to Win98. I have a Win98=20 CD that came with my desktop  and a Win98 Second Edition = Updates=20 which I just purchased. The Win98 CD will not run because it is not an = upgrade=20 version. Is it really necessary for me to purchase a Win98 upgrade and = will I=20 need to reinstall all my applications? Advice would be greatly=20 appreciated.
 
Guy
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF432D.E71EADC0-- From cph Fri Dec 10 18:01:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA29647 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:01:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21957; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21862; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21849; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:16 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id RAA23703 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: rbell1@netscape.net Received: from netscape.net (h-176-175.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.176.175]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id RAA23585; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3851840A.EB43D899@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:51:55 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive References: <199912101609.LAA11035@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> <3.0.6.32.19991210141918.013cd180@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That's good to know. I never knew there was one spot in the registry that contains all the device info. Thanks, Rob Mark Bell wrote: > Removing the enum registry entry will target more devices and force > Windows to recreate the entire low level detection phase and replace > the entry. Of course it doesn't guarantee a successful move, but it > is a lot more useful than removing devices (and easier too! ). > > Mark > From cph Fri Dec 10 19:43:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30519 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:43:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27532; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27438; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27425; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:44 -0500 Received: from user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.145]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA03493 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912110040.TAA03493@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:41:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199912101848.UAA75580@smtp.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: which ThinkPad for voice recognition? List-Unsubscribe: I use the Warp4 version. It will run fine on a p90. I think the entry level for the others is a p166, and the curve is steep thereafter. On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:58:53 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Hi, > >I just installed Warp4 (French version) on my TP560X and played a bit with >its integrated VoiceType Dictation. OK, it was surprisingly impressive but >I know it's already 3-4 years old and smarter (eg. handling continuous >speech) voice recognition software is nowadays available for Windows (IBM >ViaVoice, Dragon Dictate etc.). > >I may buy a newer ThinkPad next year and, with voice recognition in mind, >I would like to know what the minimum requirements are for a _viable_ (as >opposed to the minimum requirements advertised by the software vendors) >use of voice recognition. Is CPU the single most important factor? Or are >RAM and the sound card important too? > >I would especially welcome comments from people who are actually actively >using voice recognition on their ThinkPads (or other machines, for that >matter). > >Thanks, > >Dominique >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >Dominique Pivard >Kirkkonummi, Finland >----------------------------------------------------------- > From cph Fri Dec 10 20:16:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30668 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:16:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29583; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:13:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29468; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29444; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.35 -> www0f.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:13:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 21270 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 1999 01:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991211011332.21269.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f for [209.32.177.205] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Sat Dec 11 01:13:32 GMT 1999 Date: 10 Dec 99 19:13:32 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: New ThinkPad Setup Guidance Needed X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA30669 OK, so I'm now in possession of the new 600E that I bought on eBay (Monday night, no less!). I'd like to make some system configuration changes, mainly disk-related, and I would like advice from others who have done this. The PC has a 10.1GB drive, with a 2.1GB C: drive and a 7.7GB D: drive. C: is FAT, D: is FAT32. C: has about 1GB free, but that will get eaten up pretty quickly as I add additional software. What I want to do is to change into 2 equal size FAT32 partitions of about 4.8GB apiece. To do this, I propose the following: - make backup of C: with Ghost and record partition details - from Win98, convert C: into FAT32 - with Partition Magic, resize D: to 4.8GB - with Partition Magic, resize C: to 4.8GB - boot up to Win98 and everything is happy (I hope!) Does anyone see any problem with doing this? Does changing to different partition sizes and types affect anything ThinkPad-related? Can I still use the recovery CD? Can I hibernate to a FAT32 partition? Are there any special tweaks that I'll need? Thanks in advance for any advice! Rob P.S. Is there really a 'recovery' CD with my 600E? The package contained a genuine MS Win98 CD and something called a 'Software Selection CD'. Is the latter the recovery CD, or does recovery consist of manually formatting, loading Win98, and adding ThinkPad software from the Software Selection CD? Or, am I missing a CD? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Dec 10 20:24:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30758 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00551; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00473; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00460; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:17 -0500 Received: from 209-122-212-45.s553.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.45] helo=win98diane) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11wbFh-0001nA-00 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: <005101bf4376$73966020$2dd47ad1@win98diane> From: "You Don't Know" To: References: Subject: WTB: Dock adapter for 701 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have the Dock II and a couple of 701CS. I want to buy the adapter. IBM price is out of the question. Let me know if you have one or know of a source. Thanks. Rusty From cph Fri Dec 10 20:25:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30766 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:25:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00713; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00599; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00586; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:24:08 -0500 Received: from user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.145]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10731; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:23:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "bytehead@bellatlantic.net" , "Rob Bell" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:24:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the help with the attempt to move a Win95 drive from a TP760CD to a TP760XL. I tried the regidit and the device manager truncate methods but, alas, neither would work on this unit. If I had some time, I am pretty sure I could get it to work. It occured to me that, after the regedit or truncation, a Safe Recovery reload could be tweaked to work, but I am out of time. But......it is loading itself with a fresh copy of Win95 B at the moment, and I will just have to spend some time duplicating my setup from the work drive. Allan Ballard From cph Fri Dec 10 20:55:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30959 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:55:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02426; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:52:25 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02245; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:52:24 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id UAA26583 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24134; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0500 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13770 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: <03aa01bf4333$b32988e0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: IBM WIRELESS CELLULAR MODEM FOR NOTEBOOK COMPUTERS - $10 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:26:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: >From HiTechCafe email . ..peter.. IBM WIRELESS CELLULAR MODEM FOR NOTEBOOK COMPUTERS - $10 ITEM #...25H4775 http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=9&sku=25H4775 From cph Fri Dec 10 21:59:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA31277 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:59:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05248; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:56:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05135; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05122; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.18 -> mtiwgwc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:56:21 -0500 Received: from kaste ([12.75.199.15]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991211025619.OPKI10418@kaste> for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:56:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000901bf4383$0ce25700$0fc74b0c@kaste> From: "Kaste" To: References: <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: Dock2 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if the Dock2 for the 760C will use a power adaptor that the laptop uses or a normal power cord. Thanks Garrett. From cph Fri Dec 10 22:02:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31285 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:02:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05657; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05531; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05517; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:06 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id WAA26533 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:00:05 -0500 (EST) Sender: rbell1@netscape.net Received: from netscape.net (h-177-205.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.177.205]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with ESMTP id VAA26469; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:59:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3851BDAB.5A7FB06E@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:57:47 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD to 760XL drive References: <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Even though time consuming, the start-from-scratch method is often the best bet. Sometimes if you do seem to succeed with a migration, you will experience GPFs and other problems later that will take as much or more time than the rebuild. Plus you get the benefit of a nice, clean, tight install that you can start to corrupt all over again ;-) Good luck, Rob Allan wrote: > Thanks for the help with the attempt to > move a Win95 drive from a TP760CD > to a TP760XL. > > I tried the regidit and the device manager > truncate methods but, alas, neither > would work on this unit. > > If I had some time, I am pretty sure I > could get it to work. It occured to me > that, after the regedit or truncation, > a Safe Recovery reload could be > tweaked to work, but I am out of > time. > > But......it is loading itself with a fresh > copy of Win95 B at the moment, > and I will just have to spend some > time duplicating my setup from the > work drive. > > Allan Ballard From cph Fri Dec 10 22:30:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31396 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:30:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06811; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06714; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06704; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:07 -0500 Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.b2621f2c (4239) for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b2621f2c.25831ec2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:02 EST Subject: have a Thinkpad that has 3 start up systems....but it won't work! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 List-Unsubscribe: Got a Thinkpad 365XD that for some reason will not allow a bootup beyond asking which system you choose, from 3 systems but when choosing windows 98 it freezes...anyone suggest a way to reformat the hard drive? thanks in advance for your help Alan From cph Sat Dec 11 00:41:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31701 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:41:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12044; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11944; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11931; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:38:58 -0500 Received: from user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld14h.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.145]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14937; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:38:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912110538.AAA14937@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "Kaste" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:39:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000901bf4383$0ce25700$0fc74b0c@kaste> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dock2 List-Unsubscribe: normal cord On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:54:31 -0500, Kaste wrote: >Does anyone know if the Dock2 for the 760C will use a power adaptor that the >laptop uses or a normal power cord. > >Thanks >Garrett. > From cph Sat Dec 11 01:40:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31774 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:40:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13921; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:38:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13843; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13830; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:38:24 -0500 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24673 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from MYHOSTNAME ([10.66.20.198]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA60951 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199912110640.WAA60951@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 22:48:18 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: have a Thinkpad that has 3 start up systems....but it won't work! List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:28:02 EST, AlanCDane@aol.com wrote: >Got a Thinkpad 365XD that for some reason will not allow a bootup beyond >asking which system you choose, from 3 systems but when choosing windows 98 >it freezes...anyone suggest a way to reformat the hard drive? What program is being used to select between the 3 systems? LILO? Boot Manager? Boot Magic? NT Loader? You should be able to boot up off a floppy and fdisk the whole hard drive (PROVIDED THAT YOU WANT TO RID ALL SYSTEMS!), or just format the problematic OS. Just remember that Microsoft OS's like to keep themselves to be the only booting OS. So you'll have to go back to redirect the OS manager so it boots first. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sat Dec 11 08:28:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA32554 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:28:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11617; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:26:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11507; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11494; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:26:02 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.184 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:25:59 -0800 Message-ID: <006801bf43da$d934a220$9fb71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Redhat Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:23:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF43A8.8DB85DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF43A8.8DB85DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I'm sure everyone's gonna say jeez but is there and advantage to Linux Redhat over Windows 95 for just the home user? I've got a TP 560, 133 MHz and I've just been curious. Brad ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF43A8.8DB85DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF43A8.8DB85DA0-- From cph Sat Dec 11 08:46:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA32578 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:46:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12189; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12113; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12100; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:21 -0500 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA05645; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Brad Burean cc: Think Subject: Re: Redhat In-Reply-To: <006801bf43da$d934a220$9fb71b3f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: It depends on what you want, quite honestly. If you were one of those types who, 15 years ago, bought a Commodore or an Apple just to see how it works, and to figure things out, absolutely. If, on the other hand, you don't care what makes it go -- you just want applications and games, well... probably not. IMHO, as a PC admin for Cisco, I have to say that Linux offers vastly more flexibility, but the learning curve isn't exactly shallow. It's gotten much better, though, and it really is enjoyable if you go for figuring things out. For the moment, though, if you want to use it exclusively as a productivity OS, I would hold back. It's almost there, but you'll still need to do a fair bit o' tweaking to get things "just right." And, bear in mind that if your TP has a WinModem(tm), it Just Won't Work with Linux -- you'll have to get a PCMCIA (non-Winmodem) or external. -Ken P.S. I, myself, don't even have MS installed on any of my computers, and while it's installed on my work computers, Linux is the primary OS on all of them. So, yes, I definitely enjoy Linux. ;-) Red Hat and Mandrake are currently in favor with me, though I'm sure others share differing opinions. On Sat, 11 Dec 1999, Brad Burean wrote: > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:23:00 -0600 > From: Brad Burean > To: Think > Subject: Redhat > > Ok, I'm sure everyone's gonna say jeez but is there and advantage to > Linux Redhat over Windows 95 for just the home user? I've got a TP > 560, 133 MHz and I've just been curious. > > Brad > From cph Sat Dec 11 12:16:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00705 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18788; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:12:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18529; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18516; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:12:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 7012 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1999 17:12:32 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 6963 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1999 17:12:31 -0000 Received: from dialupq125.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.86.125) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 17:12:31 -0000 Message-ID: <385284D6.EF71EFE4@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:07:34 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: os2-linux@onelist.com, Thinkpad Mailing list , "List, hplx" CC: TEAMOS2HELP-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL, os2-pdx@onelist.com, os2db@onelist.com, os2wp@onelist.com, incharge@onelist.com, os2-nt@onelist.com, smartsuite-os2@egroups.com Subject: New Mailing List: os2-linux@onelist.com References: <199912111207.RAA11336@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In order to help keep OS/2 mailing lists focused on OS/2 and avoid OS wars there is a new mailing list starting. It is intended as a discussion/support group for those running both OS/2 & Linux or those moving from OS/2 to Linux. ON the Team OS/2 help list Deepak Datta wrote: > I moved to Linux > a few months ago. Don't even have bootable OS/2 any more. > ON the Team OS/2 help list Elton Woo wrote: > > I've made up my mind: Linux works for me. Community email addresses: Post message: os2-linux@onelist.com Subscribe: os2-linux-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: os2-linux-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: os2-linux-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/os2-linux And lets not forget the OS/2 Windows mailing list. Aimed at OS2-nt users it accepts discussion of any issues about using both OS/2 and Windows. Community email addresses: Post message: os2-nt@onelist.com Subscribe: os2-nt-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: os2-nt-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: os2-nt-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/os2-nt From cph Sat Dec 11 13:02:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00915 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:02:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20931; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:58:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20814; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20801; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:58:16 -0500 Received: from user-38ld057.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld057.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.167]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28161 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912111758.MAA28161@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:58:57 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907241935.OAA02913@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FAT16 B vs FAT32 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the difference between FAT16 B (Win95 OSF2) and FAT32? I thought that OSR2 used FAT32 but the Partition Magic has stated it to be FAT16 B. Thanks in advance. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 11 13:12:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00958 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:12:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21258; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:05:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21146; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21131; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:05:30 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.90]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991211180528.QDMZ14377@compaq>; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:05:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3852BC72.7536@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:04:51 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: FAT16 B vs FAT32 References: <199912111758.MAA28161@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FAT32 is only compatible with W95 OSR2 and above. It frees up space on large drives. You can use PM to convert a FAT 16 to a FAT32, but ONLY do so if using W95B or above, with NO compression (Drivespace). Allan wrote: > > Does anyone know the difference between > FAT16 B (Win95 OSF2) and FAT32? > > I thought that OSR2 used FAT32 but the > Partition Magic has stated it to be FAT16 B. > > Thanks in advance. > > Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 11 16:30:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01844 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:30:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27984; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:28:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27906; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27893; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:28:35 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00070; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:28:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002201bf441e$b3d8c9e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "ThinkPad List" References: <006801bf43da$d934a220$9fb71b3f@default> Subject: Re: Redhat Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:28:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Brad: "Linux Redhat over Windows 95 for just the home user? I've got a TP 560, 133 MHz and I've just been curious." In the laptop world, Linux still has one small Achilles heel: drivers. In general, the screen/sound/etc drivers for the proprietary hardware appear for W95 well before they do for Linux. (I don't know if this is an issue anymore for the 560!) Also, some of the tweaking that P&P can do in 95 must be done by hand in Linux (e.g., to get the PCMCIA to work on your 560 will require some special resource exclusions - when the time comes, email me for details.) There's also the small matter of DVD decoding... However, Linux is much better from the standpoint of stability and efficient resource use. I recommend playing with a small Linux-in-Windows build before switching. If you have 150-200 megs free on your drive for this kind of play, I very strongly recommend Peanut Linux, http://metalab.unc.edu/peanut/ (it is a relatively small download - 48meg - and is an unusually complete GUI Linux with a very recent Kernel). - David R. From cph Sat Dec 11 16:36:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01893 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:36:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28420; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28343; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28330; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:48 -0500 Received: from user-38ld057.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld057.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.167]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07890; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912112134.QAA07890@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:35:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3852BC72.7536@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FAT16 B vs FAT32 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. Converted Ok using PM. On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:04:51 -0800, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >FAT32 is only compatible with W95 OSR2 and above. >It frees up space on large drives. >You can use PM to convert a FAT 16 to a FAT32, but ONLY do so if using >W95B or above, with NO compression (Drivespace). > >Allan wrote: >> >> Does anyone know the difference between >> FAT16 B (Win95 OSF2) and FAT32? >> >> I thought that OSR2 used FAT32 but the >> Partition Magic has stated it to be FAT16 B. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Allan Ballard From cph Sat Dec 11 17:19:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02085 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:19:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00084; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:17:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29970; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29957; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (169.207.1.78 -> mailgw00.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:17:47 -0500 Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com [169.207.2.114]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id QAA30754 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:17:46 -0600 Received: from scd1 (skaro-2-120.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.138.248]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id QAA13951 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:17:45 -0600 Message-ID: <05db01bf4425$87c24dc0$e088cfa9@scd1> From: "Steven Davis" To: Subject: TP600 DVD Solutions? Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:17:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05D8_01BF43F3.394B18C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05D8_01BF43F3.394B18C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 2645-41U (PII233, 96MB, 13.3TFT), and I'd like to be able to = watch a DVD movie. Is there a ultraslimbay DVD solution that will work well with this = machine? Thanks in Advance, Steven ------=_NextPart_000_05D8_01BF43F3.394B18C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_05D8_01BF43F3.394B18C0-- From cph Sat Dec 11 20:00:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA02630 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:00:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05457; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:57:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05358; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05342; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:57:11 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.101]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991212005707.UKBO14377@compaq>; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:57:07 +0000 Message-ID: <38531CEC.3FD3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:56:28 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Davis CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 DVD Solutions? References: <05db01bf4425$87c24dc0$e088cfa9@scd1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You would need a DVD drive (I think the PCMCIA DVD drive from EXP would work well, assuming you have a TI Cardbus PCMCIA controller in that machine), and a hardware decoder card (www.margi.com). P233 is no where near fast enough to decode DVD in software! As it happens, I have Margi DVD to GO cards for sale for $150 plus shipping (can't pass up the chance for a commercial!) Steven Davis wrote: > > I have a 2645-41U (PII233, 96MB, 13.3TFT), and I'd like to be able to > watch a DVD movie. > > Is there a ultraslimbay DVD solution that will work well with this > machine? > > Thanks in Advance, > > Steven From cph Sat Dec 11 22:15:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03103 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:15:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09157; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:13:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09078; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09065; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (169.207.3.78 -> mailgw02.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com [169.207.2.114]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id VAA10698; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:13:01 -0600 Received: from scd1 (minbar-1-148.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.136.150]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id VAA13049; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:57 -0600 Message-ID: <062e01bf444e$c573c620$e088cfa9@scd1> From: "Steven Davis" To: Cc: Subject: Re: TP600 DVD Solutions? Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Bruce, Thanks for the suggestion. Does the margi card work with the IBM ultraslimbay DVD drive? I don't mind adding a hardware decoder card, but I really want an internal DVD drive. What is the minimum processor speed to do a good job of software decoding? Thanks, Steven -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Steven Davis Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:58 PM Subject: Re: TP600 DVD Solutions? >You would need a DVD drive (I think the PCMCIA DVD drive from EXP would >work well, assuming you have a TI Cardbus PCMCIA controller in that >machine), and a hardware decoder card (www.margi.com). P233 is no where >near fast enough to decode DVD in software! >As it happens, I have Margi DVD to GO cards for sale for $150 plus >shipping (can't pass up the chance for a commercial!) > >Steven Davis wrote: >> >> I have a 2645-41U (PII233, 96MB, 13.3TFT), and I'd like to be able to >> watch a DVD movie. >> >> Is there a ultraslimbay DVD solution that will work well with this >> machine? >> >> Thanks in Advance, >> >> Steven > From cph Sat Dec 11 23:56:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03382 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:56:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12068; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:53:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11971; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11958; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (169.207.3.78 -> mailgw02.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:53:55 -0500 Received: from pop01.execpc.com (pop01.execpc.com [169.207.2.114]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id WAA20237 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:53:54 -0600 Received: from scd1 (skaro-2-120.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.138.248]) by pop01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id WAA23610 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:53:50 -0600 Message-ID: <065b01bf445c$db43d900$e088cfa9@scd1> From: "Steven Davis" To: Subject: TP600 Ultraslimbay DVD Drive? Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:53:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: I checked the usual online retailers, and the ultraslimbay DVD was out of stock everywhere. (IBM 05K8890 DVD ULTRASLIMBAY) Does anyone know of a place that has these drives available? Thanks, Steven -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Steven Davis Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:58 PM Subject: Re: TP600 DVD Solutions? >You would need a DVD drive (I think the PCMCIA DVD drive from EXP would >work well, assuming you have a TI Cardbus PCMCIA controller in that >machine), and a hardware decoder card (www.margi.com). P233 is no where >near fast enough to decode DVD in software! >As it happens, I have Margi DVD to GO cards for sale for $150 plus >shipping (can't pass up the chance for a commercial!) > >Steven Davis wrote: >> >> I have a 2645-41U (PII233, 96MB, 13.3TFT), and I'd like to be able to >> watch a DVD movie. >> >> Is there a ultraslimbay DVD solution that will work well with this >> machine? >> >> Thanks in Advance, >> >> Steven > From cph Sun Dec 12 03:22:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA03785 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:22:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21408; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:19:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21163; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21149; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:19:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 10848 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1999 08:19:09 -0000 Received: from i48-29-09.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO execed4.usc.edu) (216.26.9.9) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1999 08:19:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1AF4CC19.1294@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 1984 02:10:49 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: modem for 701C needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for a pc card modem 28.8 or better for my 701C. Can anyone help me out? -Remember the keyboard/space issue. Bryan From cph Sun Dec 12 03:34:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA03812 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:33:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22147; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:32:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22057; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22044; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:32:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 12403 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1999 08:32:46 -0000 Received: from i48-29-09.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO execed4.usc.edu) (216.26.9.9) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1999 08:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3854042B.4337@teleport.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:23:07 -0800 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: allied@teleport.com Subject: modem needed for 701C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all -I thought I'd send this again as my clock was set to 1984...I also need a new lithium battery... I am looking for a pc card modem 28.8 or better for my 701C. Can anyone help me out? -Remember the keyboard/space issue. Bryan From cph Sun Dec 12 04:10:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA03893 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:10:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23667; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:08:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23594; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23581; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:08:26 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-166.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.166]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA79961 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:56:26 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912120856.KAA79961@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:09:09 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <065b01bf445c$db43d900$e088cfa9@scd1> Subject: Re: TP600 Ultraslimbay DVD Drive? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 at 10:53 PM you, "Steven Davis" , said: >I checked the usual online retailers, and the ultraslimbay DVD was out of >stock everywhere. (IBM 05K8890 DVD ULTRASLIMBAY) >Does anyone know of a place that has these drives available? There are a couple of them being auctioned on Ebay right now (search for "Thinkpad 600 DVD"). One of auctions advertises the item as "hard to find" ... HTH, Dominique From cph Sun Dec 12 09:53:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14110 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:53:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09200; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:50:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09121; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from igd (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09108; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from igd (192.44.32.1 -> igd.igd.fhg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:50:55 -0500 Received: from heinrichschiff.igd.fhg.de by igd (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA07505; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:50:38 +0100 Received: from igd.fhg.de (intuition [153.97.135.69]) by heinrichschiff.igd.fhg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15671 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:50:38 +0100 (MET) Sender: starchik@igd.fhg.de Message-Id: <3853B638.46A24A11@igd.fhg.de> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:50:32 +0100 From: STARTCHIK Sergei Organization: Fraunhofer IGD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en, ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP755CD] PLEASE HELP Screen black Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dear all, Some days ago I've posted a message concerning black screen with Thinkpad 755CD. Thanks for those who responded with first help. Here is the complete problem and the list of what I've tried. A friend of mine installed Win95 on TP755CD. After pressing some keys like Fn+something or Cntrl+something the screen went black. I received it in this state and found out that the LAMP behind the screen is not working. If you illuminate the screen from the side with halogen lamp, one can see desktop, icons, mouse cursor etc. Also by connecting an external monitor everything works fine. So the reason for the lamp to be off is either the permanent hibernation mode or the lamp failure. The small pin that should put the screen and computer into hibernation mode when the cover is closed is working in a strange way. If you press it, the computer enters into hibernation mode, but when you release it one need to touch the keyboard to wake up the computer (no effect on the screen). I've tried withot success the following software found on IBM's site: "Thinkpad Features" software, "System program" diskette (bios update), "Win95 setup diskette", "Utilities" and "Diagnostic" diskette. So do you by chance know the answer to the following questions: - Is there a way to force Thinkpad to leave all types of hibernation/suspend modes (I've tried Fn+F12, etc)??? - If the small pin that puts the computer into hibernation mode is broken and prevents Thinkpad to leave the hibernation/suspend mode for the screen, what should I do with it? (How to disable it or remove completely)??? If the lamp is broken - What is the voltage at the input to test its operation. - Could one replace it or the whole screen is just good for trashbin. Please answer by email Thank you very much for you time and help S. From cph Sun Dec 12 10:05:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14125 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:05:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09833; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:03:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09739; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09725; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:03:57 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.218]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991212150354.ZDLE14377@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:03:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991212100331.00febe10@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:03:31 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP600 Ultraslimbay DVD Drive? In-Reply-To: <065b01bf445c$db43d900$e088cfa9@scd1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:53 PM 12/11/99 -0600, Steven Davis wrote: >I checked the usual online retailers, and the ultraslimbay DVD was out of >stock everywhere. (IBM 05K8890 DVD ULTRASLIMBAY) > >Does anyone know of a place that has these drives available? > There's a couple of them in misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables for $249. The e-mail address was "JB" . (Does anyone know if that is the same person who posts as lawclerk@gte.net?) Jane From cph Sun Dec 12 11:35:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14242 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:35:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12537; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:33:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12457; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12444; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:33:18 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.59]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991212163316.YENJ5516@compaq>; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:33:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3853F855.799B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:32:37 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARTCHIK Sergei CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP755CD] PLEASE HELP Screen black References: <3853B638.46A24A11@igd.fhg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can only make the following suggestions: Go into EZSETUP and INITIALIZE This will reset all setting to default. Go to the DOS prompt and type PS2 ? And use the PS2 command to turn on the LCD. If this stuff does not work, maybe a hardware problem. STARTCHIK Sergei wrote: > > Dear all, > > Some days ago I've posted a message concerning black screen with > Thinkpad 755CD. Thanks for those who responded with first help. > Here is the complete problem and the list of what I've tried. > > A friend of mine installed Win95 on TP755CD. After pressing some > keys like Fn+something or Cntrl+something the screen went black. > I received it in this state and found out that the LAMP behind > the screen is not working. If you illuminate the screen from the > side with halogen lamp, one can see desktop, icons, mouse cursor > etc. Also by connecting an external monitor everything works > fine. So the reason for the lamp to be off is either the > permanent hibernation mode or the lamp failure. The small pin > that should put the screen and computer into hibernation mode > when the cover is closed is working in a strange way. If you > press it, the computer enters into hibernation mode, but when you > release it one need to touch the keyboard to wake up the computer > (no effect on the screen). I've tried withot success the > following software found on IBM's site: "Thinkpad Features" > software, "System program" diskette (bios update), "Win95 setup > diskette", "Utilities" and "Diagnostic" diskette. So do you by > chance know the answer to the following questions: > > - Is there a way to force Thinkpad to leave all types of > hibernation/suspend modes (I've tried Fn+F12, etc)??? > - If the small pin that puts the computer into hibernation mode > is broken and prevents Thinkpad to leave the hibernation/suspend > mode for the screen, what should I do with it? (How to disable it > or remove completely)??? > > If the lamp is broken > - What is the voltage at the input to test its operation. > - Could one replace it or the whole screen is just good for > trashbin. > > Please answer by email > Thank you very much for you time and help > S. From cph Sun Dec 12 13:41:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14484 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:41:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16685; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:37:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16575; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16562; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:37:56 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.89 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:37:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bf44cf$92330740$59fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Telephony Program Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:34:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF449D.46739F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF449D.46739F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know of a good Telephony program I can run on my 560? 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Anyone know of a good Telephony program = I can run=20 on my 560?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF449D.46739F40-- From cph Sun Dec 12 14:30:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14628 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:30:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18265; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18187; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18172; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:18 -0500 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12240; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Allan cc: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: FAT16 B vs FAT32 In-Reply-To: <199912112134.QAA07890@smtp6.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: You were able to convert FAT16B??? Which version of Partition Magic? I would *kill* to be able to do that... Every time I try to convert 16B, it says "f*** of and die" to me. Fat 16 straight converts no problem. -Ken P.S. Note that FAT32 is also supported by W2K. On Sat, 11 Dec 1999, Allan wrote: > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:35:24 -0500 (EST) > From: Allan > To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" > Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" > Subject: Re: FAT16 B vs FAT32 > > Thanks. > > Converted Ok using PM. > > > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:04:51 -0800, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >FAT32 is only compatible with W95 OSR2 and above. > >It frees up space on large drives. > >You can use PM to convert a FAT 16 to a FAT32, but ONLY do so if using > >W95B or above, with NO compression (Drivespace). > > > >Allan wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know the difference between > >> FAT16 B (Win95 OSF2) and FAT32? > >> > >> I thought that OSR2 used FAT32 but the > >> Partition Magic has stated it to be FAT16 B. > >> > >> Thanks in advance. > >> > >> Allan Ballard > > > > From cph Sun Dec 12 15:00:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14734 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:00:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19731; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:58:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19622; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19609; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:57:58 -0500 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28153; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA17531; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:57:50 -0500 (EST) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Steven Davis" Cc: , Subject: Re: TP600 DVD Solutions? References: <062e01bf444e$c573c620$e088cfa9@scd1> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 12 Dec 1999 14:57:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Steven Davis"'s message of "Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Steven Davis" writes: > Thanks for the suggestion. Does the margi card work with the IBM > ultraslimbay DVD drive? I don't mind adding a hardware decoder card, but I > really want an internal DVD drive. It does for the TP570, which uses the same drive (from experience, using their less than wonderful NT4.0 drivers). > What is the minimum processor speed to do a good job of software decoding? It really depends on the software, hardware and the OS in question. Some engines are faster than others. My TP570, running at 366mhz on NT 4.0 with software decode, still dropped frames (pre-margi card). Peace, dNb From cph Sun Dec 12 17:34:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15200 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:34:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25001; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:33:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24896; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24883; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:33:27 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA25115; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Allan " , Subject: RE: FAT16 B vs FAT32 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:33:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199912111758.MAA28161@smtp6.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > Does anyone know the difference between > FAT16 B (Win95 OSF2) and FAT32? > > I thought that OSR2 used FAT32 but the > Partition Magic has stated it to be FAT16 B. OSR2 supports FAT32, but it also continues to support FAT16 and FAT12. Whichever way a disk is formatted, that's what it will use. FAT12 uses 12-bit cluster numbers, FAT16 uses 16-bit cluster numbers, and FAT32 uses 32-bit cluster numbers. So the difference is how many clusters you can have on a drive. FAT32 lets you have more clusters on a drive, so it can support larger drives, or support the same size drive with more (and therefore smaller) clusters. -Mike From cph Sun Dec 12 17:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15236 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:45:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25443; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25369; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25356; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:26 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax50.vramp.net [198.138.8.113]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05438; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:44:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <049d01bf44f2$badf6440$55088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Ken D'Ambrosio" References: Subject: Re: FAT16 B vs FAT32 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:46:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Ken D'Ambrosio" wrote: > You were able to convert FAT16B??? Which version of Partition Magic? I > would *kill* to be able to do that... Every time I try to convert 16B, it > says "f*** of and die" to me. Fat 16 straight converts no problem. W98 will convert FAT16B to FAT32, as well as Partition Magic Ver. 4 and 5. Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 12 18:27:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15393 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:27:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27307; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:24:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27226; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27213; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:24:56 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.3 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:24:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bf44f7$a4c2bd60$03fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:21:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF44C5.59035560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF44C5.59035560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw 2 different auctions on Thinkpad 560's like mine, one with 80 megs = of ram, and the other with 72 megs. How did they pass the maximum of 40 megs that IBM claims? = Is it possible or are they just hosing the buyer?? Thanks again! Brad ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF44C5.59035560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw 2 different auctions on Thinkpad = 560's like=20 mine, one with 80 megs of ram, and the other
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF44C5.59035560-- From cph Sun Dec 12 18:37:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15439 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:37:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27799; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27689; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27679; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:13 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.40 -> imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id a.0.a3078bfb (4182); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a3078bfb.25858af2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:10 EST Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? To: Burean@email.msn.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 12/12/99 6:25:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Burean@email.msn.com writes: > I saw 2 different auctions on Thinkpad 560's like mine, one with 80 megs of > ram, and the other > with 72 megs. How did they pass the maximum of 40 megs that IBM claims? Is > it possible > or are they just hosing the buyer?? Brad, I have installed 48 and 80MB RAM in my 560e without a problem. I believe that when the 560 & 560e were isssued, 32MB was the largest memory module available. Therefore, since it only has one slot for additional RAM, 40/48 would have been the limit. The specs were also written before the 64MB RAM modules existed. FWIW ... John From cph Sun Dec 12 19:54:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15700 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:54:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00282; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:52:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00167; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00153; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:52:03 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA03404; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:51:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000601bf4504$4b00e9c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <000a01bf44f7$a4c2bd60$03fb163f@default> Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:52:12 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: "I saw 2 different auctions on Thinkpad 560's like mine, one with 80 megs of ram, and the other with 72 megs. How did they pass the maximum of 40 megs that IBM claims? Is it possible" By sticking in a larger chip. The IBM limit was written down before 64 meg chips were available for these machines. Please post your posts in plain text instead of rich text. You seem to be using Outlook Express for your email; you can change to 'plain text' for any particular email in the Format menu, and can even specify that all mail to this list be done in plain text in your address book. - David R. From cph Sun Dec 12 20:03:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15710 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:03:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00892; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:02:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00819; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00806; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:02:23 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M ([198.138.8.113]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA14920; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:01:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04c501bf4505$f644a4b0$55088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <000a01bf44f7$a4c2bd60$03fb163f@default> Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:03:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Brad Burean" wrote: > I saw 2 different auctions on Thinkpad 560's like mine, one with 80 megs of ram, and the other > with 72 megs. How did they pass the maximum of 40 megs that IBM claims? Is it possible > or are they just hosing the buyer?? The 560's max out at 72MB with the DRAM option. The 560E goes to 80 and the 560X goes to 96. Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 12 20:52:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15869 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:52:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03031; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:48:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02875; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02857; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:48:54 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M ([198.138.8.117]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17993; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:48:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <050401bf450c$6650f910$55088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "STARTCHIK Sergei" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 Subject: Re: [TP755CD] PLEASE HELP Screen black Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Dear Sergei Sergeiovitch, > Some days ago I've posted a message concerning black screen with > Thinkpad 755CD. Thanks for those who responded with first help. > Here is the complete problem and the list of what I've tried. > - Is there a way to force Thinkpad to leave all types of > hibernation/suspend modes (I've tried Fn+F12, etc)??? > - If the small pin that puts the computer into hibernation mode > is broken and prevents Thinkpad to leave the hibernation/suspend > mode for the screen, what should I do with it? (How to disable it > or remove completely)??? The very first thing I would check on any 755 would be the cables leading >from the lower case to the display. This is the most common failure area in these units. Make sure the plugs for the display (under the RIGHT side of the cover) are firmly seated. If there is no display during POST, then there is a fault in the system, but you should get a beep code on startup if there is a circuit failure. To double-check, go into Easy-Setup on startup (press and hold F1 while turning on the computer). This will override all suspend options. If the screen remains black in Easy-Setup, then I would suspect that either the fluorescent lamp is bad or the exciter circuit that enegizes the lamp is bad. It has been my experience that the lamp fails before the circuitry. Let me know how you make out, I have a 755CD parts machine and probably have the parts you may need. Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 12 20:55:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15882 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:55:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03266; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:53:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03158; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03142; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (12.79.29.64 -> 64.morristown-18-19rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004801bf450c$c916c520$401d4f0c@cijeczcig1x68u> From: "Donald Mak" To: "STARTCHIK Sergei" Cc: References: <3853B638.46A24A11@igd.fhg.de> Subject: Re: [TP755CD] PLEASE HELP Screen black Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:44:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: STARTCHIK Sergei Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: [TP755CD] PLEASE HELP Screen black > Dear all, > > Some days ago I've posted a message concerning black screen with > Thinkpad 755CD. Thanks for those who responded with first help. > Here is the complete problem and the list of what I've tried. > > A friend of mine installed Win95 on TP755CD. After pressing some > keys like Fn+something or Cntrl+something the screen went black. > I received it in this state and found out that the LAMP behind > the screen is not working. If you illuminate the screen from the > side with halogen lamp, one can see desktop, icons, mouse cursor > etc. Also by connecting an external monitor everything works > fine. So the reason for the lamp to be off is either the > permanent hibernation mode or the lamp failure. The small pin > that should put the screen and computer into hibernation mode > when the cover is closed is working in a strange way. If you > press it, the computer enters into hibernation mode, but when you > release it one need to touch the keyboard to wake up the computer > (no effect on the screen). I've tried withot success the > following software found on IBM's site: "Thinkpad Features" > software, "System program" diskette (bios update), "Win95 setup > diskette", "Utilities" and "Diagnostic" diskette. So do you by > chance know the answer to the following questions: > > - Is there a way to force Thinkpad to leave all types of > hibernation/suspend modes (I've tried Fn+F12, etc)??? > - If the small pin that puts the computer into hibernation mode > is broken and prevents Thinkpad to leave the hibernation/suspend > mode for the screen, what should I do with it? (How to disable it > or remove completely)??? > > If the lamp is broken > - What is the voltage at the input to test its operation. > - Could one replace it or the whole screen is just good for > trashbin. > > Please answer by email > Thank you very much for you time and help > S. > > From cph Mon Dec 13 11:41:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19157 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:41:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17299; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:38:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17073; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17058; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:38:14 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-69.gate.net [207.36.212.69]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA67794; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <385520FA.60334561@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:38:19 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Daum CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: modem needed for 701C References: <3854042B.4337@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bryan.. the x-jack WILL WORK in the 701.. i have done it.. its close for sure, but don't let thaty slow you up.. a little surgery or a sharp 90 degree angle on the cord makes all the space you need... of course, use it in the bottom slot.. :-) Bryan Daum wrote: > Hello all -I thought I'd send this again as my clock was set to 1984...I > also need a new lithium battery... > > I am looking for a pc card modem 28.8 or better for my 701C. > Can anyone help me out? -Remember the keyboard/space issue. > > Bryan -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Mon Dec 13 13:55:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20021 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:55:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27116; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26787; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26772; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12160 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:49:18 -0500 (EST) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? In-Reply-To: <04c501bf4505$f644a4b0$55088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thus have the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Mon Dec 13 14:03:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20080 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:03:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28067; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27959; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27922; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:35 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.184.9 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:01:33 -0800 Message-ID: <007701bf459c$05e26100$8bfb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: , References: Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:58:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ok, disk swapping? I'm lost here for a minute. The reason I'd like to jump up to 72 is to make my programs run faster. Will I be defeating my purpose? thanks brad ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 12:49 PM Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? > Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thus > have the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed > this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you > have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown > when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much > more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at > 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with > the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would > suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I > would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org > From cph Mon Dec 13 15:20:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20693 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:20:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04123; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:13:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03999; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03973; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (24.2.2.66 -> ha1.rdc1.md.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:13:29 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.3.59.26]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991213201327.MQPL26939.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3855536D.11E27586@home.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:13:33 -0500 From: "Karl W. Hardy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: IBM ThinkPad 600, 2GB Jaz Drive, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have an IBM ThinkPad 600 for sale. It is Model 2645-51U, which has a Pentium II 266Mhz processor, 13.3-inch active-matrix screen, 56K modem and 24X CD-ROM drive. I've upgraded the memory to 128MB of SDRAM and added a 10GB IBM Travelstar hard drive to the 4GB hard drive that shipped with the computer. The computer has a brand new lithium-ion battery and is still under warranty and in excellent condition. I would like to sell it as part of a package containing: A 2GB Iomega Jaz external drive with (3) 2GB Jaz disks, a Jaz Traveller SCSI-to-parallel adapter, and carrying case; and A Xircom RealPort Cardbus 32-bit 10/100 Ethernet PC card. These items are also in excellent condition. I am asking $1,900/obo for the whole package, including shipping if necessary. I am the Baltimore, MD, area. Please respond to karlwhardy@home.com. Thanks. From cph Mon Dec 13 17:14:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21433 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:14:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15410; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:12:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15253; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from xnor.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15124; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from xnor.engin.umich.edu (141.213.42.36 -> xnor.engin.umich.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:11:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xnor.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA28301; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:10:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:10:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Brad Burean cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? In-Reply-To: <007701bf459c$05e26100$8bfb163f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Brad Burean wrote: > Ok, disk swapping? I'm lost here for a minute. The reason I'd like to > jump up to 72 is to make my programs run faster. Will I be defeating > my purpose? > > thanks brad Don't worry; "disk swapping" in this case refers to "swapping" data between RAM and the hard drive once physical RAM is exhausted. In other words, using virtual memory. Adding real RAM cuts down on swapping, but once you pass 64 megabytes with most Pentium systems, the processor's cache only works for the first 64 megs, so the law of diminishing returns applies. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Mon Dec 13 18:07:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21840 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:07:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18504; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18419; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from wfdutil3gw.ml.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18406; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from wfdutil3gw.ml.com (206.3.74.33 -> wfdutil3f01.ml.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:38 -0500 Received: from ewfdav02.ml.com ([199.201.57.18]) by wfdutil3gw.ml.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/MLgwo-4.03) with SMTP id SAA19398 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 146.125.66.91 by ewfdav02.ml.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: from bamako.ny-repo-dev.ml.com by montserrat.ny-repo-dev.ml.com (8.8.8+Sun/ML54SMX-1.05) id SAA09265; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from acs@localhost) by bamako.ny-repo-dev.ml.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA27324; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:00:34 -0500 From: "Alvin C. Shih" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: TP770ED video cables Message-ID: <19991213180034.B26896@bamako.ny-repo-dev.ml.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.18i List-Unsubscribe: I have 3 of those cable/dongle things which takes the signal from the TP770ED Enhanced Video Adapter card to the RCA/S-Video connectors (Has two part numbers: 85G1897, 85G1880. Don't ask me why.). I originally bought them because I was thinking I wanted to hook up a 5.1 decoder and for NTSC input for video capture (plus one spare because these things don't look indestructable). Turns out I wound up getting a real DVD player with built-in 5.1 decoding and there's some glitch in the TP770ED video capture that I've never been able to eradicate. (If it's fixable, please let me know.) I paid $20/each for them. If you care to make on offer on 1, 2, or 3 of these things, feel free to mail. ACS -- Alvin C. Shih | email: acs@ml.com | I'm not selling out; Merrill Lynch | phone: 212-449-3131 | I'm buying in. Global Repo Systems | fax : 212-449-3822 | (But this tie *is* a bit much.) From cph Tue Dec 14 10:27:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA25428 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:27:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11795; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:25:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11566; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11551; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:24:59 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc2-04.ismi.net [208.171.72.59]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA24095 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701bf4650$29b02180$3b48abd0@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: Subject: 750 / 755 /760 Parts + laptop clearance... Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:27:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF461D.DC670C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF461D.DC670C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All... I just picked up A BUNCH of ThinkPad 750 & 755 series laptops from a = local vendor... If anyone needs affordable parts or would like an inexpensive Laptop to = mess around with, drop me a note and let me know what you're looking = for. =20 Also got a few 760E and 760C units which are excellent. Here's a sampling of parts: Floppy Drives (1.44mb & 2.88mb) Harddrives (mostly 340 & 540mb) Batteries (still untested...I'm assuming most are bad) DRAM memory cards (8mb & 16mb) CDRom drives --internal for 755/760 =20 Some laptops are fully functional, others have various problems and = would make excellent parts machines. Most displays are TFT Active Matrix. Let me know if you have interest. =20 Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 denhall@ismi.net ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF461D.DC670C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All...
I just picked = up A BUNCH of=20 ThinkPad 750 & 755 series laptops from a local = vendor...
If anyone needs affordable parts or would like an = inexpensive=20 Laptop to mess around with, drop me a note and let me know what you're = looking=20 for. 
Also got a few 760E and 760C units which are=20 excellent.
Here's a sampling of parts:
 
Floppy Drives (1.44mb & 2.88mb)
Harddrives (mostly 340 & 540mb)
Batteries (still untested...I'm assuming most are=20 bad)
DRAM memory cards  (8mb & = 16mb)
CDRom drives --internal for 755/760  =
 
Some laptops are fully functional, others have = various=20 problems and would make excellent parts machines.
Most displays are TFT Active Matrix.
 
Let me know if you have interest.  =
 
Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall,=20 Michigan
810.229.2881
denhall@ismi.net

 
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF461D.DC670C40-- From cph Tue Dec 14 11:30:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25763 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:30:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17482; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17137; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17124; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:47 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <199912141627.LAA17124@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 9784 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:43 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 9758 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:42 -0000 Received: from dialupe126.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.85.126) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 16:27:42 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 99 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: re: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET wrote: >Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 >can run all Win apps. Odin project is working on just that. So someday.... From cph Tue Dec 14 11:30:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25759 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:30:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17494; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17175; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17153; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <199912141627.LAA17153@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 9898 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 9828 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:44 -0000 Received: from dialupe126.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.85.126) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 16:27:44 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 99 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: re: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET wrote: >Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 >can run all Win apps. Odin project is working on just that. So someday.... From cph Tue Dec 14 11:30:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25767 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:30:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17474; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:28:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17236; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17176; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:53 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <199912141627.LAA17176@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:27:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 9971 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 9907 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 16:27:47 -0000 Received: from dialupe126.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.85.126) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 16:27:47 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 99 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: re: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET wrote: >Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 >can run all Win apps. Odin project is working on just that. So someday.... 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ITEM #...1969-011 http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3&sku=1969%2D011 From cph Tue Dec 14 14:54:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27207 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05619; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05324; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05304; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <199912141950.OAA05304@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 11566 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1999 19:50:16 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11448 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 19:50:10 -0000 Received: from dialupm90.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.82.90) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 19:50:10 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 99 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: re: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET wrote: >Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 >can run all Win apps. Odin project is working on just that. So someday.... From cph Tue Dec 14 14:54:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27203 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05623; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05359; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05341; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:28 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <199912141950.OAA05341@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 11688 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1999 19:50:22 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1999 19:50:16 -0000 Received: from dialupm90.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.82.90) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 19:50:16 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 99 13:16:31 -0800 Subject: re: Re: Windows 2000 on ThinkPads To: vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET wrote: >Hmmm, how is OS/2 doing these days anyways? I just wished OS/2 >can run all Win apps. Odin project is working on just that. So someday.... From cph Tue Dec 14 16:21:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27894 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:21:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11557; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:12:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11067; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11045; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:12:04 -0500 Received: from TP760 (dialup-63.209.91.39.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [63.209.91.39]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA42686; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:09:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912142109.NAA42686@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:11:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: modem for 701C needed List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 01 May 1984 02:10:49 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >I am looking for a pc card modem 28.8 or better for my 701C. >Can anyone help me out? -Remember the keyboard/space issue. > Probably something with a dongle. I was using a Motorola on mine the few times I went online with it. Motorola doesn't make PCMCIA modems any more, but it was a great modem, and the dongle didn't hinder the keyboard at all. Paul From cph Tue Dec 14 17:50:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28486 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:50:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24530; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:48:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23931; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23873; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:48:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23772 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:50:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:50:52 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anyone selling Trackpoint caps? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I need TrackPoint caps, and I'd really rather not pay $22 to have four shipped to me from Compu-Lock. What are my options? Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Tue Dec 14 18:28:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28708 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:28:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05762; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:23:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04129; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04119; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35 -> imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:23:00 -0500 Received: from FRD750@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id q.0.8c98bf98 (4242); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:22:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8c98bf98.25882b1c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:22:04 EST Subject: Re: Anyone selling Trackpoint caps? To: whizkid@dwave.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a pair from IBM last month. They even pay shipping!! Do not search for them by name. Go to 'Shop IBM' and enter the part # in the search window. I forgot the # but I am sure someone has it. Fred Cole Tidewater Community College Chesapeake, Va From cph Tue Dec 14 18:31:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28716 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07482; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:29:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07350; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06884; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:28:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15378 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:28:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:28:29 -0500 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trackpoint caps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:15:05 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Parts Probably you can get them directly from IBM for about 1/2 + local tax, no shipping/handling charges. I ordered several P/N 84g6536. A box with 2 red caps was $5.00 last June, when the IBM site already was referring to CompuLock. I bought one year supply. The email address, phone number and physical address from where I bought them is in this reposted message: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: IBM Parts Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:05:50 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: Randal Whittle , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Three months ago I bought trackpoint caps and I got all the billing by email, from the address given below. Try to contact them directly for your parts and, BTW, ask them to include the missing models in the scrolling menu. <> = __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Dec 14 18:33:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28744 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:33:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08586; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08437; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08420; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:13 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:13 -0500 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.9d4c233b (4465) for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.9d4c233b.25882d76@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:32:06 EST Subject: Win for Pen Computing 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can a User's Manual for Windows for Pen Computing 1.0? I'm running it on an IBM 730T. Thanks, Jim From cph Tue Dec 14 18:45:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28834 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:45:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11007; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10904; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10894; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.2 -> imo12.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:37 -0500 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.87021340 (4465) for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.87021340.25882fe8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:42:32 EST Subject: 730T Flash Card To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: I can't get the file manager to recognize the flash card I have in slot 2. The card director reads the card and says it's "ready". I'm running Win3.1 and WinPen1.0. There must be some method to link slot 2 with disk E but I can't find it. Any suggestions? From cph Tue Dec 14 18:54:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28864 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:54:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11977; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:50:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11866; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11846; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:50:05 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.202.86 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:50:06 -0800 Message-ID: <005e01bf468d$7e368ae0$56ca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Display for a 560 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:46:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Looking for a 12.1 TFT display for my 560 to replace the dual scan, I've got a few inquires out, but if you got a trashed 560 with a good display, let me know! Thanks From cph Tue Dec 14 19:38:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29069 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:38:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15532; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:37:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15418; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15404; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:37:25 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA18169 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I just noticed that tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf haven't been updated since 12/8/1998. Anyone know if these have been superceded by some other reference guides, or just abandoned, or what happened? Thanks, -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Tue Dec 14 20:09:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29252 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:09:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17765; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:07:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17630; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17616; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.18 -> mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:07:07 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.246]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991215010634.WKFS10418@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:06:34 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991214200609.00f0b100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:06:09 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:37 PM 12/14/99 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: >I just noticed that tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf haven't been updated since >12/8/1998. Anyone know if these have been superceded by some other reference >guides, or just abandoned, or what happened? > I think you're just looking at an old link. Check out ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ instead. The date on the tbook file there is October 1999. From cph Tue Dec 14 22:33:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29833 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:33:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24207; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:19:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24123; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24110; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:58 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:58 -0500 Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20341; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id WAA0000011134; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:19:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:19:24 -0500 To: kim@stormhaven.org Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Sender: aballard@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.142.94.13 List-Unsubscribe: Very interesting! I did not see the prior thread on the impact of Mb > 64 under Windows, and this is the first I've heard thata L2 is switched off. I have a cache checking utility to use once I get back home, and will let you know. I put 104Mb in a TP760XL running W95B. The utility runs from DOS though, so it will only reveal a limited amount of info. What about L1 memory? Is that impacted? I have often wondered at what point W95 no longer benefits from more megs of memory, but never stopped to think about actually taking a performace hit. Allan kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thushave the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Wed Dec 15 00:31:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30211 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:31:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00194; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:27:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29968; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29954; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:27:49 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-109.gate.net [207.36.212.109]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA124904; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:27:44 -0500 Message-ID: <385726E4.88A5931@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:28:04 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aballard@ix.netcom.com CC: kim@stormhaven.org, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I never heard that L2 cache is shut off, only that that is the limit, and more memory does not necessarily make for faster performance.. because, in win95 (and win98 i suppose) memory is used from the top down, thus the memory most in use in not cached.. but this is not the whole picture.. in a notebook, with limited power, more memory = less swap file = less battery drain also there are other advantages over mere raw rabble rousing speed.. :-) i have always made the suggestion to those wanting 64meg for their 760CD's to reconsider.. 56megs is most cost effective for that machine and does not bring the video driver anomoly into play.. so, IMHO, the "how much memory" question is a slippery subject not given to easy, quick, one line answers.. aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Very interesting! > > I did not see the prior thread on the impact of Mb > 64 under Windows, and this is the first I've heard thata L2 is switched off. > > I have a cache checking utility to use once I get back home, and will let you know. I put 104Mb in a TP760XL running W95B. The utility runs from DOS though, so it will only reveal a limited amount of info. > > What about L1 memory? Is that impacted? > > I have often wondered at what point W95 no longer benefits from more megs of memory, but never stopped to think about actually taking a performace hit. > > Allan > > kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > > Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thushave the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed > this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you > have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown > when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much > more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at > 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with > the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would > suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I > would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 15 02:08:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA30459 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:08:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03632; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:05:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03531; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03517; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:05:10 -0500 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19991215070302.HDQL15480.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:03:02 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 To: Mike Hunziker , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? -Reply Reply-to: tom@act.ca Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <19991215070302.HDQL15480.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mike, Sorry for the long delay. The Cisco router can have some "firewall" capabilities, at least in terms of addresses accepted. But you'll have to get details from someone else. Tom On 1 Dec 99, at 7:13, Mike Hunziker spoke about "Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? -R," saying > Tom...the cisco 675 plugs into a hub...the machines connect to the hub. > Isn't that directly connected? Can't the cisco serve as the firewall with > port blocking? You would still need to lock down the windows machines > but there is no need to leave all ports open either. > > >>> Tom Trottier 12/01/99 12:31am >>> > No, there is no "direct" connection. The firewall on the interface machine > would interface with the DSL, do any filtering, virus checking or > whatever, > translate the address the packet came in on, (IP or IP+port) & distribute > it to the appropriate machine with its own IP address in the subnet. > > I'm just a dilettante - see > > http://www.networkcomputing.com/netdesign/wall1.html > > Tom > > At 20:47 1999/11/30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >At 11:40 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: > ... > >>Actually, the firewall software only needs to be on the machine that > >>interfaces to the internet. Then you'd need a separate ethernet card to > >>connect up the other machines. > >>Tom > > > >Tom, > > Doesn't this assume a traditional server configuration? > > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of machines are > >peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration > (if I > >understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the > DSL > >line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at > a > >software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the > connection to > >the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall box such as > > >the Sonic Wall I described either. > > > > In such a configuration--peer networked machines--am I mistaken > in > >presuming that each machine would require a software firewall to be > protected? > > > >- Randy Whittle > ------------------ > From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 > _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein > (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com > > > > **************************************************************** > Please Note > The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this > E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, > please notify the sender. Thank you > ***************************************************************** ----------------- From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o ICQ:57647974 _ \< Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax: 594-5412 No ads, please (*)/'(*) "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein From cph Wed Dec 15 03:59:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30708 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:59:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08320; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:56:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08195; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08182; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.netcomsystems.fr (194.98.237.1 -> ns.netcomsystems.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:56:07 -0500 Received: from miles ([194.98.237.21]) by ns.netcomsystems.fr (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA08384; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:52:37 +0100 From: "David Newman" To: , "Mike Hunziker" , Subject: RE: Web Server using a ThinkPad? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991215070302.HDQL15480.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Packet filter" is a more accurate term than "firewall" in describing routers from Cisco or anyone else. Routers do access control one packet at a time by filtering on source and destination IP addresses and possibly on TCP or UDP port numbers. Firewalls do that too, but in addition they run state machines that verify that the correct application-layer handshaking has taken place. To illustrate, consider a Web connection. A router can screen for bad IP addresses and possibly for some bad combination of address plus port number (e.g., it can drop all packets that don't use port 80, or all packets that do use port 80 originating from a given IP address or network). A firewall digs deeper into each packet, verifying that it contains a properly formed HTTP header. In addition, it keeps track of the HTTP flow (a client sends a GET request, the server ACKs the GET, etc.) and opens a connection only after the requisite HTTP connection setup stuff has occurred. To sum up, a router won't protect you from Bad Guys sending Evil Packets using valid port numbers and a firewall will. Then again, no firewall can protect you from Bad Guys using legitimate HTTP connections to send bogus packets. But that's a topic for another post. . . Hope this helps. dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Trottier [mailto:tom@act.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:05 AM > To: Mike Hunziker; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? -Reply > > > Hi Mike, > > Sorry for the long delay. The Cisco router can have some "firewall" > capabilities, at least in terms of addresses accepted. But you'll > have to get details from someone else. > > Tom > > On 1 Dec 99, at 7:13, Mike Hunziker > spoke about "Re: Web Server using a ThinkPad? -R," saying > > > Tom...the cisco 675 plugs into a hub...the machines connect to the hub. > > Isn't that directly connected? Can't the cisco serve as the > firewall with > > port blocking? You would still need to lock down the windows machines > > but there is no need to leave all ports open either. > > > > >>> Tom Trottier 12/01/99 12:31am >>> > > No, there is no "direct" connection. The firewall on the > interface machine > > would interface with the DSL, do any filtering, virus checking or > > whatever, > > translate the address the packet came in on, (IP or IP+port) & > distribute > > it to the appropriate machine with its own IP address in the subnet. > > > > I'm just a dilettante - see > > > > http://www.networkcomputing.com/netdesign/wall1.html > > > > Tom > > > > At 20:47 1999/11/30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >At 11:40 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: > > ... > > >>Actually, the firewall software only needs to be on the machine that > > >>interfaces to the internet. Then you'd need a separate > ethernet card to > > >>connect up the other machines. > > >>Tom > > > > > >Tom, > > > Doesn't this assume a traditional server configuration? > > > I'm looking at a situation where a small number of > machines are > > >peer-networked, all making use of a DSL Modem. In this configuration > > (if I > > >understand it properly), each machine is essentially connected to the > > DSL > > >line directly--which means each one would need individual protection at > > a > > >software level (or a piece of hardware between them and the > > connection to > > >the Internet, whether that is a server or a specialty firewall > box such as > > > > >the Sonic Wall I described either. > > > > > > In such a configuration--peer networked machines--am > I mistaken > > in > > >presuming that each machine would require a software firewall to be > > protected? > > > > > >- Randy Whittle > > ------------------ > > From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > > __o Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax(no ads, please): 594-5412 > > _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein > > (*)/'(*) TomTrottier@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > Please Note > > The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged > > and confidential information intended only for the use of the > > individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, > > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > > you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this > > E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, > > please notify the sender. Thank you > > ***************************************************************** > > > ----------------- > From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > __o ICQ:57647974 > _ \< Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax: 594-5412 No ads, please > (*)/'(*) "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein > From cph Wed Dec 15 05:23:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA31009 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:23:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19691; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:21:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19575; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19560; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:21:26 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03019; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:20 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17091; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:19 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:06 +0000 To: aballard@ix.netcom.com, Bill Morrow Cc: kim@stormhaven.org, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: past 40 megs on a tp560? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA31010 Indeed, also remember that more memory = more chips = higher power drain, though I agree that swapping would dwarf this if the disk is already powered down. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Author: MIME:Bill Morrow at INTERNET Date: 12/15/99 5:40 AM I never heard that L2 cache is shut off, only that that is the limit, and more memory does not necessarily make for faster performance.. because, in win95 (and win98 i suppose) memory is used from the top down, thus the memory most in use in not cached.. but this is not the whole picture.. in a notebook, with limited power, more memory = less swap file = less battery drain also there are other advantages over mere raw rabble rousing speed.. :-) i have always made the suggestion to those wanting 64meg for their 760CD's to reconsider.. 56megs is most cost effective for that machine and does not bring the video driver anomoly into play.. so, IMHO, the "how much memory" question is a slippery subject not given to easy, quick, one line answers.. aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Very interesting! > > I did not see the prior thread on the impact of Mb > 64 under Windows, and this is the first I've heard thata L2 is switched off. > > I have a cache checking utility to use once I get back home, and will let you know. I put 104Mb in a TP760XL running W95B. The utility runs from DOS though, so it will only reveal a limited amount of info. > > What about L1 memory? Is that impacted? > > I have often wondered at what point W95 no longer benefits from more megs of memory, but never stopped to think about actually taking a performace hit. > > Allan > > kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > > Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thushave the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed > this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you > have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown > when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much > more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at > 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with > the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would > suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I > would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Dec 15 09:17:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA32106 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:17:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28712; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:14:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28569; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28371; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:10:34 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-36.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.36]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04014 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:16:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:07:56 -0800 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: boolean rant_mode; rant_mode == TRUE; I recently won a TP600 on ebay I was purchasing for a client. After contacting the seller, he wanted prepayment. I told him due to his low rating, that prepayment in that amount was pretty much out of the question. I told him I would do COD, which he refused but offered iescrow as an alternative. He said if I used iescrow, I would get my unit two days after the funds were secure. Hmmm, fine. I've never used iescrow before, but he went ahead and initiated the transaction. I logged on, entered my credit card # as payment, and was charged $1075.00 + $20.00 S&H = $1095. iescrow's transaction fee for this was $59.75 (Ouch). Then I waited.... At this point, the seller is to box up and ship the package and log that into iescrow's system with a tracking number. When I receive the equipment, I check it out, verify it and give iescrow the ok to release the funds to the seller. The seller essentially fell off of the face of the earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, did not receive any replies from the seller. At this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their support response was to the effect that, "our fee covers us securing your funds. What would have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" As if.... So I learned a $60.00 lesson. iescrow needs to make the buyer and the seller equally responsible for the transaction fee instead of heaping it all on one person. Their current system is ripe for people to set up transactions, you pay, your money is tied up, and when you finally do get a refund, you are out the transaction fee. I now know why seasoned buyers/sellers choose *NOT* to use iescrow or similar online escrow services. It also makes you wonder what happens if you do receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is going to be held liable for the transaction fee. Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting business the old fashion way. You still potentially expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but you get the added bonus of false security AND the pleasure of paying a transaction fee! On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client >from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via COD, and all went well! :) rant_mode == FALSE; Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 15 09:40:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA32201 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:40:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29939; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29809; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29794; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:16 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06217; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:00 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22136; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:00 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:33:46 +0000 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Mark Bell Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA32202 In the UK, if you make a purchase over £100 in value using a credit card, and you don't get satisfaction, you get refunded the entire amount as a refund. (The Consumer Credit Act) So if iescrow billed you for X in one debit, and they refunded Y, the credit card co would have to refund X-Y. The credit card co would then go after iescrow for this amount, refusing them payments until they paid up. I don't know if the same applies in the states. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: iescrow and ebay Author: MIME:Mark Bell at INTERNET Date: 12/15/99 2:21 PM boolean rant_mode; rant_mode == TRUE; I recently won a TP600 on ebay I was purchasing for a client. After contacting the seller, he wanted prepayment. I told him due to his low rating, that prepayment in that amount was pretty much out of the question. I told him I would do COD, which he refused but offered iescrow as an alternative. He said if I used iescrow, I would get my unit two days after the funds were secure. Hmmm, fine. I've never used iescrow before, but he went ahead and initiated the transaction. I logged on, entered my credit card # as payment, and was charged $1075.00 + $20.00 S&H = $1095. iescrow's transaction fee for this was $59.75 (Ouch). Then I waited.... At this point, the seller is to box up and ship the package and log that into iescrow's system with a tracking number. When I receive the equipment, I check it out, verify it and give iescrow the ok to release the funds to the seller. The seller essentially fell off of the face of the earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, did not receive any replies from the seller. At this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their support response was to the effect that, "our fee covers us securing your funds. What would have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" As if.... So I learned a $60.00 lesson. iescrow needs to make the buyer and the seller equally responsible for the transaction fee instead of heaping it all on one person. Their current system is ripe for people to set up transactions, you pay, your money is tied up, and when you finally do get a refund, you are out the transaction fee. I now know why seasoned buyers/sellers choose *NOT* to use iescrow or similar online escrow services. It also makes you wonder what happens if you do receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is going to be held liable for the transaction fee. Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting business the old fashion way. You still potentially expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but you get the added bonus of false security AND the pleasure of paying a transaction fee! On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via COD, and all went well! :) rant_mode == FALSE; Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. 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My situation went significantly better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. The transaction was fairly secure for the seller, since they can specify only secured funds to be used (money order, cashiers check). It was less secure for the buyer (me) because all I could tell before relinquishing the money was that I received a box with the IBM logo on the outside. I wish buyers had the ability to inspect the package contents before accepting delivery on CODs. At least using COD ensures that you don't part with the money before actually receiving something. Everything turned out fine though. The unit was exactly as described and functions flawlessly. I even ended up with an extra TP 600E floppy drive enclosure & cable, which I don't think was supposed to be included with the unit. One of them isn't for the CD, is it? Anybody want to buy one? Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Dec 15 10:57:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA32522 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:57:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04987; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:51:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04907; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04892; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:51:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08914; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:53:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:53:52 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: FRD750@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone selling Trackpoint caps? In-Reply-To: <0.8c98bf98.25882b1c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 FRD750@aol.com wrote: > I just bought a pair from IBM last month. They even pay shipping!! Do not > search for them by name. Go to 'Shop IBM' and enter the part # in the search > window. I forgot the # but I am sure someone has it. I tried the new ordering number (84G6537), the service number (84G6536) and the old part number (39H1354). All report "No results found." Got any more for me to try? Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Wed Dec 15 11:01:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32541 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:01:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05498; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:57:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05414; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05306; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09714; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: FRD750@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone selling Trackpoint caps? In-Reply-To: <0.8c98bf98.25882b1c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I found it. You have to enter the service number (84G6536), and you have to enter that in the "Know the part number?" box, NOT in the Search box. It says the price is $5 for Qty 1, but it doesn't say how many are in the package. Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Wed Dec 15 11:12:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32632 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:12:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06374; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:09:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06238; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06224; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:09:10 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax39.vramp.net [198.138.8.102]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00444; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <017101bf4716$fe903720$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Mark Bell" References: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:11:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Mark, "Mark Bell" wrote: > The seller essentially fell off of the face of the > earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed > iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, > did not receive any replies from the seller. At > this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept > the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their > support response was to the effect that, "our > fee covers us securing your funds. What would > have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" As you say, "As if!". There's a basic problem here with your perception of whether or not iEscrow performed their duty or not. To _me_ they did. They withheld payment until you received the shipment and approved payment. You didn't receive the shipment, didn't approve payment and your money was refunded, all as advertised. The fact that you had the privilege of paying $60 for this exercise in futility sucks, but iEscrow performed to the letter of their agreement. > It also makes you wonder what happens if you do > receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and > you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is > going to be held liable for the transaction fee. > Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, > I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting > business the old fashion way. You still potentially > expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but > you get the added bonus of false security AND the > pleasure of paying a transaction fee! Suppose the seller _had_ sent the item COD, and it arrived not as advertised or, worse, DOA! What recourse would you have then? Look at the iEscrow fee as insurance (cheap at approx. 5%!) or as a sort of sales tax. Much easier to accept, especially as it's a legitimate deductible item at tax time as either insurance or a banking fee. If the transaction had been completed you certainly would have passed this cost on to your client. Right? > On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client > from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via > COD, and all went well! :) But it's not a perfect system either. I'm waiting for several COD shipments, two for more than a month. Short of posting a negative feedback in an effort to get the seller to get off the pot (which would probably be counter-productive) what recourse do I have? None, besides patience. I have to admit that I tend to favor sellers on eBay who have the ability to accept a credit card payment. I use my AMEX and I'm covered for any problems that may arise. I bought a 760L that arrived with a cracked display. There was NO way that this happened in shipment so I contacted the seller and said I was sending it back. He said "No way, contact UPS!", to which I replied that the unit was obviously sent damaged and I was returning it. He refused to accept it "without an RMA" and it came back to me. I called AMEX, explained the problem, faxed them supporting documents and they credited me for the full purchase price. AND I now have a 760L parts unit! Warm regards, James From cph Wed Dec 15 11:21:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32662 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:21:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07214; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:18:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07089; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07075; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:18:38 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax39.vramp.net [198.138.8.102]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01279; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:18:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a201bf4718$56ee0590$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Chris Schumann" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Anyone selling Trackpoint caps? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Chris Schumann" wrote: > I found it. You have to enter the service number (84G6536), and you have > to enter that in the "Know the part number?" box, NOT in the Search box. > > It says the price is $5 for Qty 1, but it doesn't say how many are in the > package. There's two caps in each Qty. 1 package. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 15 11:21:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32666 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:21:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07518; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07360; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07331; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:03 -0500 Received: from rcf-fs.usc.edu (root@rcf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id IAA13044; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwhittle (ppp-223-196.usc.edu [128.125.223.196]) by rcf-fs.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id IAA07020; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:19:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991215075707.03481700@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:59:29 -0800 To: Rob Bell , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <19991215154222.2829.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:42 AM 12/15/1999 -0600, you wrote: >I recently purchased a ThinkPad on eBay too. My situation went significantly >better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was >comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the >seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into >iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the >FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. You still don't get to inspect it before forking over the $. And you have no recourse once you do so. For all you know, there can be a rock inside the box rather than a computer. Or even if it is a computer, what if its in significantly lesser-shape than the seller described? COD is definitely *not* the safety mechanism that people think it is. Its only safe for the seller--not the buyer (as you point out). --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph Wed Dec 15 11:21:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32670 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:21:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07516; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07361; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07342; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:04 -0500 Received: from rcf-fs.usc.edu (root@rcf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id IAA13141; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwhittle (ppp-223-196.usc.edu [128.125.223.196]) by rcf-fs.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id IAA07063; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:20:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991215075937.03489220@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:17:04 -0800 To: Mark Bell , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:07 AM 12/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: >The seller essentially fell off of the face of the >earth and did not respond to emails. If you did this through eBay, did you know you can do an "information request" on eBay and get the person's address & phone? Doesn't help if they moved (as I did recently), but its a possible path to take. > I emailed >iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, >did not receive any replies from the seller. At >this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept >the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their >support response was to the effect that, "our >fee covers us securing your funds. What would >have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" They are correct, though. > So I learned a $60.00 lesson. iescrow needs to >make the buyer and the seller equally responsible >for the transaction fee instead of heaping it all on >one person. You *can* do this when the transaction is set up. You have the option of the fees being paid by the buyer, seller, or split between. Your mistake was either in not setting up the transaction yourself (did he do it for you?) or, when you reviewed the transaction, not insisting that the terms be changed to suit your preference of splitting the fee (and you have that opportunity to review and change the terms--subject to the other party's approval--before approving the final transaction and paying the fee). But you'd still be out $30, in any case. :-) Though, I think one way around it would be to pay the seller and additional $60-ish and have it set up so that *he* pays the i-escrow fee. I think when the transaction falls through, you would get your entire amount back and they would be charging the seller (on his account--presumably deducted from future or current i-escrow payments to him). Not sure about that though. > Their current system is ripe for people >to set up transactions, you pay, your money is >tied up, and when you finally do get a refund, you >are out the transaction fee. I now know why seasoned >buyers/sellers choose *NOT* to use iescrow or similar >online escrow services. On the contrary--seasoned buyers & sellers *do* use i-escrow because, as you pointed out, the alternative is to risk thousands of dollars. You're out $60. And while that might hurt, its nowhere *near* the $1150 you would have been out otherwise. Your real beef is with this bonehead seller, not i-escrow. They just saved you $1,095 and charged you $60 to do so. The *real* alternative was to lose $1150. And believe me, if this joker really *is* the sleezebag he seems to be, if you *had* done the COD, he might have sent you a rock in a box. And you'd be out of $1150. >It also makes you wonder what happens if you do >receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and >you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is >going to be held liable for the transaction fee. >Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, >I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting >business the old fashion way. The Old Fashioned Way is face-to-face. I-escrow provides a level of protection for e-transactions. Many transactions take place that would not and could not otherwise, due to the level of distrust. The i-escrow transactions I have engaged in are generally in the $30 to $100 range (as a seller, mostly), with a few in the hundreds of dollars. If not for i-escrow, I would not have been able to execute some of those transactions, because there was a nervous person on the buying end who didn't want to send me money for lack of knowing I am a person of integrity. Thanks to i-escrow, I was able to provide them a way to do so while still feeling safe. It allowed me to conduct business that otherwise just wouldn't have happened. --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph Wed Dec 15 11:48:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA00329 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:48:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09512; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:46:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09402; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09078; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:42:16 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-39.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.39]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02188; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991215113906.012d9100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:39:06 -0800 To: "James H. E. Maugham" , From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <017101bf4716$fe903720$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> References: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:11 AM 12/15/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Mark, > >"Mark Bell" wrote: > > > >> The seller essentially fell off of the face of the >> earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed >> iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, >> did not receive any replies from the seller. At >> this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept >> the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their >> support response was to the effect that, "our >> fee covers us securing your funds. What would >> have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" > >As you say, "As if!". There's a basic problem here with your perception of >whether or not iEscrow performed their duty or not. To _me_ they did. They >withheld payment until you received the shipment and approved payment. > >You didn't receive the shipment, didn't approve payment and your money was >refunded, all as advertised. > >The fact that you had the privilege of paying $60 for this exercise in >futility sucks, but iEscrow performed to the letter of their agreement. But in hindsight (and the lost transaction fee ), I stepped back and actually contemplated, "what did they do/offer for that fee that actually afforded me more protection than using traditional methods?" I came to the conclusion, "none." I don't believe they did anything at all, but that's my opinion, as yours is they did perform to the letter of their agreement. What this proves to me is that I will stick with traditional methods which I have used over and over again or I will simply negate the transaction. I've bought/sold items for years on BBSes and then the Internet. From this moment, I choose not to use iescrow based upon the fact that their system leaves one of the parties completely liable for their transaction fee. I didn't want to use iescrow, but in all honesty I certainly wasn't going to mail payment upfront. I am a firm believer in credit cards or COD. Rest assured, I will be contesting this charge with my VISA and we will see what recourse they decide upon. But the transaction fee issue is just the tip of the iceberg. IMHO, iescrow is a case of false security... > >> It also makes you wonder what happens if you do >> receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and >> you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is >> going to be held liable for the transaction fee. >> Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, >> I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting >> business the old fashion way. You still potentially >> expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but >> you get the added bonus of false security AND the >> pleasure of paying a transaction fee! > >Suppose the seller _had_ sent the item COD, and it arrived not as advertised >or, worse, DOA! What recourse would you have then? Look at the iEscrow fee >as insurance (cheap at approx. 5%!) or as a sort of sales tax. Much easier >to accept, especially as it's a legitimate deductible item at tax time as >either insurance or a banking fee. If the transaction had been completed you >certainly would have passed this cost on to your client. Right? See, that's why it pays to be friendly with your UPS or FedEx delivery person. :) I routinely engage them in conversation whilst I quickly open the package to verify the contents. I buy/sell so many items that they know I am completely honest and legitimate when it comes to CODs. If I am unable to open them here, I open them at the depot. What I want is if there's a problem a witness at worst, and for them to take it back at best, but I digress... What I am asking is: what if the seller had sent an item not as advertised; I send it back; he contests it along with I. What recourse does iescrow take in this instance? What party do they believe? What is to stop me from receiving merchandise and accusing the sender of sending an empty package or a totally different item and contesting the amount? What is to stop the seller from saying I am trying to rip him off or the inverse? The system is no better than traditional methods. The only thing I get is the luxury of paying a transaction fee, having my funds held up for a refund, and actually no more protection than COD has to afford. iescrow acts as a middleman with minimal to zero power to do anything in the case of a con artist at work. They are just an extra step in the transaction process. As for passing on the fee, in a sense, no. When clients want x machines at y pricing, I commit to the price based upon market research. If I happen to find a machine cheaper, then I reap the rewards. If I find a machine that's too much or will cut into the service part of the delivery, then the bear eats me. 99% of the time, it works in my favor. > >> On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client >> from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via >> COD, and all went well! :) > >But it's not a perfect system either. I'm waiting for several COD shipments, >two for more than a month. Short of posting a negative feedback in an effort >to get the seller to get off the pot (which would probably be >counter-productive) what recourse do I have? None, besides patience. But in the long run you did not lose any money. If someone doesn't ship a COD item, then, well, you are irritated, but at least you didn't lose a transaction fee or any other money, no? If the seller had agreed upon COD for moi, and he didn't send it, I am irritated, but I am not out any money. Hmmm, sounds like the iescrow debacle, except I AM out $60.00. >I have to admit that I tend to favor sellers on eBay who have the ability to >accept a credit card payment. I use my AMEX and I'm covered for any problems >that may arise. I bought a 760L that arrived with a cracked display. There >was NO way that this happened in shipment so I contacted the seller and said >I was sending it back. He said "No way, contact UPS!", to which I replied >that the unit was obviously sent damaged and I was returning it. I agree completely. But the best deals are sometimes won with individual buyers instead of companies. >;) In order of preference I like: credit card, COD, prepay, escrow. :) Let me reiterate, I will be contesting this charge with my VISA bank, and I am curious to see their take is on the situation. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 15 12:01:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00434 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:01:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10549; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:59:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10465; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10146; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:55:34 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-39.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.39]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA09239; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:53:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991215115225.012d8200@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:52:25 -0800 To: Randal Whittle , TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991215075937.03489220@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <199912110123.UAA10731@smtp6.mindspring.com> <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:17 AM 12/15/1999 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 09:07 AM 12/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, >>did not receive any replies from the seller. At >>this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept >>the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their >>support response was to the effect that, "our >>fee covers us securing your funds. What would >>have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" > > They are correct, though. As if... I would have ever sent $1100.00 upfront to a user with a low feedback rating. :) > > Though, I think one way around it would be to pay the seller and >additional $60-ish and have it set up so that *he* pays the i-escrow >fee. I think when the transaction falls through, you would get your entire >amount back and they would be charging the seller (on his >account--presumably deducted from future or current i-escrow payments to >him). Not sure about that though. Hmmmm, that's a good idea, but that flips everything around. Suppose the buyer doesn't come through? Will iescrow just let the transaction drop, and as a result both parties need to acknowledge it for iescrow to extract their fee? Or if I initiate a transaction and agree, as the seller, to pay the transaction fee, will iescrow charge me even though the other party doesn't respond/acknowledge? > On the contrary--seasoned buyers & sellers *do* use i-escrow >because, as you pointed out, the alternative is to risk thousands of >dollars. You're out $60. And while that might hurt, its nowhere *near* >the $1150 you would have been out otherwise. But that's the thing. I would never have sent the $1150 upfront. iescrow really doesn't afford adequate protection even when the transaction is taking place. Their protection is no more than COD. > Your real beef is with this bonehead seller, not i-escrow. They >just saved you $1,095 and charged you $60 to do so. > > The *real* alternative was to lose $1150. And believe me, if this >joker really *is* the sleezebag he seems to be, if you *had* done the COD, >he might have sent you a rock in a box. And you'd be out of $1150. And what would have happened if he sent the package to me via iescrow, it was a rock in the box , and he said it was legit and I was trying to scam him? I'm going to do some research into seeing what does and would happen in that instance. ("He who cries wolf usually has the sharper fangs...") > >>It also makes you wonder what happens if you do >>receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and >>you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is >>going to be held liable for the transaction fee. >>Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, >>I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting >>business the old fashion way. > > The Old Fashioned Way is face-to-face. I-escrow provides a level >of protection for e-transactions. Many transactions take place that would >not and could not otherwise, due to the level of distrust. Old fashion in comparison to e-transactions. A new fashion becomes an old fashion when a new fashion takes its place. F2F became the old fashion way when the need to NOT meet F2F (cash and carry) came about via USPS, UPS, FedEx, Airborne Express. Now, we are afforded a new model that adds a middle layer to the whole process without adding anymore protection but extracting an extra fee for the false sense of security. > > The i-escrow transactions I have engaged in are generally in the >$30 to $100 range (as a seller, mostly), with a few in the hundreds of >dollars. If not for i-escrow, I would not have been able to execute some >of those transactions, because there was a nervous person on the buying end >who didn't want to send me money for lack of knowing I am a person of >integrity. Thanks to i-escrow, I was able to provide them a way to do so >while still feeling safe. It allowed me to conduct business that otherwise >just wouldn't have happened. Well, I'm glad it worked out for you. :) Obviously I am a member of the disgruntled camp! "Hrumph!" ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 15 12:38:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00651 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:38:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13518; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:36:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13427; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13393; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:35:42 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (root@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.200.31]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01050; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:35:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: root@mill.cisco.com Message-ID: <3857D165.E1D15E8C@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:35:33 -0500 From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: Rob Bell , TP List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <4.2.0.58.19991215075707.03481700@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actually, I'd get the post office to do the COD -- it makes a *BIG* difference when a potential thief is drawing up his "pros and cons" list, and all of a sudden federal crimes like "postal fraud" are listed. Safety tip for Miami-Vice bad-guy wanna-bes: ship drugs UPS or FedEx. With the post office involved, not only do you have recourse, but the feds will take an active interest in the goings- on. Just my $.02 worth (as a former UPS employee)... -Ken Randal Whittle wrote: > At 09:42 AM 12/15/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >I recently purchased a ThinkPad on eBay too. My situation went significantly > >better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was > >comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the > >seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into > >iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the > >FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. > > You still don't get to inspect it before forking over the $. And > you have no recourse once you do so. > > For all you know, there can be a rock inside the box rather than a > computer. > > Or even if it is a computer, what if its in significantly > lesser-shape than the seller described? > > COD is definitely *not* the safety mechanism that people think it > is. Its only safe for the seller--not the buyer (as you point out). > > --- > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph Wed Dec 15 12:54:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00737 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:54:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14642; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14526; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14513; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:52:01 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27360; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:51:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:51:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991214200609.00f0b100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > >I just noticed that tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf haven't been updated since > >12/8/1998. Anyone know if these have been superceded by some > other reference guides, or just abandoned, or what happened? > I think you're just looking at an old link. Check out > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ instead. The date on the tbook file > there is October 1999. Thank you very much! The versions I was looking at are in: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ I'll update my links... -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Wed Dec 15 13:28:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00969 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:28:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16923; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:25:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16803; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16771; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:24:58 -0500 Received: from sony ([12.78.197.73]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991215182442.CQIF22589@sony>; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:24:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3857DB7A.3ED8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:18:34 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The other problem with escrow services is that they really favor the buyer... Let's say I sell you a brand new sealed 600. You pay iescrow, I ship the unit. You receive it, open the box, and DROP IT! You claim it is not as advertised, give iescrow proof of shipping, and get a refund (the the $59.00). WhatI get back is a ruined, un saleable machine. Who do I see about that? Make a false carrier claim? Problem with escrow, as a seller, is that I lose control of my sale. If I send a new unit, and you drop it, you own it. I only give refunds for merchandise retruned EXACTLY as shipped! BTW, make sure you give the seller a negative feedback! Mark Bell wrote: > > boolean rant_mode; > > rant_mode == TRUE; > > I recently won a TP600 on ebay I was purchasing for > a client. After contacting the seller, he wanted > prepayment. I told him due to his low rating, that > prepayment in that amount was pretty much out of > the question. I told him I would do COD, which > he refused but offered iescrow as an alternative. > He said if I used iescrow, I would get my unit > two days after the funds were secure. Hmmm, fine. > > I've never used iescrow before, but he went ahead > and initiated the transaction. I logged on, entered > my credit card # as payment, and was charged > $1075.00 + $20.00 S&H = $1095. iescrow's transaction > fee for this was $59.75 (Ouch). Then I waited.... > > At this point, the seller is to box up and ship > the package and log that into iescrow's system > with a tracking number. When I receive the equipment, > I check it out, verify it and give iescrow the ok > to release the funds to the seller. > > The seller essentially fell off of the face of the > earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed > iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, > did not receive any replies from the seller. At > this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept > the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their > support response was to the effect that, "our > fee covers us securing your funds. What would > have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" > > As if.... > > So I learned a $60.00 lesson. iescrow needs to > make the buyer and the seller equally responsible > for the transaction fee instead of heaping it all on > one person. Their current system is ripe for people > to set up transactions, you pay, your money is > tied up, and when you finally do get a refund, you > are out the transaction fee. I now know why seasoned > buyers/sellers choose *NOT* to use iescrow or similar > online escrow services. > > It also makes you wonder what happens if you do > receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and > you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is > going to be held liable for the transaction fee. > Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, > I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting > business the old fashion way. You still potentially > expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but > you get the added bonus of false security AND the > pleasure of paying a transaction fee! > > On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client > from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via > COD, and all went well! :) > > rant_mode == FALSE; > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 15 13:31:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00988 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:31:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17291; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17202; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17160; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:29:40 -0500 Received: from sony ([12.78.197.73]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991215182919.CRTL22589@sony>; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:29:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3857DC90.1F4D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:23:12 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" CC: Randal Whittle , Rob Bell , TP List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <4.2.0.58.19991215075707.03481700@rcf.usc.edu> <3857D165.E1D15E8C@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If the Post Office "forgets" to forward the COD payment to the shipper, it is all but impossible to get them to honor a claim. NEVER do COD with the Post Office. Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > Actually, I'd get the post office to do the COD -- it makes a *BIG* > difference when a potential thief is drawing up his "pros and cons" > list, and all of a sudden federal crimes like "postal fraud" are listed. > Safety tip for Miami-Vice bad-guy wanna-bes: ship drugs UPS > or FedEx. With the post office involved, not only do you have > recourse, but the feds will take an active interest in the goings- > on. > > Just my $.02 worth (as a former UPS employee)... > > -Ken > > Randal Whittle wrote: > > > At 09:42 AM 12/15/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > >I recently purchased a ThinkPad on eBay too. My situation went significantly > > >better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was > > >comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the > > >seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into > > >iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the > > >FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. > > > > You still don't get to inspect it before forking over the $. And > > you have no recourse once you do so. > > > > For all you know, there can be a rock inside the box rather than a > > computer. > > > > Or even if it is a computer, what if its in significantly > > lesser-shape than the seller described? > > > > COD is definitely *not* the safety mechanism that people think it > > is. Its only safe for the seller--not the buyer (as you point out). > > > > --- > > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > > Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants > > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph Wed Dec 15 14:28:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01412 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:28:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21366; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:25:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21223; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21204; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (169.207.2.78 -> mailgw01.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:25:04 -0500 Received: from earth-le1 (scdavis@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id NAA29373; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:24:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:24:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Steven C. Davis" To: Bruce Markowitz cc: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , Randal Whittle , Rob Bell , TP List Subject: Don't use the USPS (was: iescrow and ebay) In-Reply-To: <3857DC90.1F4D@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: It is also all but impossible to get the USPS to honor an insurance claim. They damaged a thinkpad I shipped in May, and I'm still working on getting them to pay, and this is a very straightforward case where the outside of the package was damaged, which in turn damaged the thinkpad. My original claim was filed in May, and included all receipts, verification of value, and the damage was seen and documented by my local postmaster. Since then, the claim has been rejected several times, each for different reasons that were completely false. For example, the last rejection was because they claimed noone at the post office saw the damage. This is despite the letter from my postmaster documenting that he did see the damage. The people in charge of the USPS insurance have absolutely no integrity. It appears that if your claim exceeds a certain value, they have a list of reasons for rejection that they will claim, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. Each rejection and appeal takes at least 6 weeks, and I'm sure they hope you'll just give up and stop appealing. Steven On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > If the Post Office "forgets" to forward the COD payment to the shipper, > it is all but impossible to get them to honor a claim. NEVER do COD with > the Post Office. > > Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > > > Actually, I'd get the post office to do the COD -- it makes a *BIG* > > difference when a potential thief is drawing up his "pros and cons" > > list, and all of a sudden federal crimes like "postal fraud" are listed. > > Safety tip for Miami-Vice bad-guy wanna-bes: ship drugs UPS > > or FedEx. With the post office involved, not only do you have > > recourse, but the feds will take an active interest in the goings- > > on. > > > > Just my $.02 worth (as a former UPS employee)... > > > > -Ken > > > > Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > > At 09:42 AM 12/15/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I recently purchased a ThinkPad on eBay too. My situation went significantly > > > >better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was > > > >comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the > > > >seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into > > > >iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the > > > >FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. > > > > > > You still don't get to inspect it before forking over the $. And > > > you have no recourse once you do so. > > > > > > For all you know, there can be a rock inside the box rather than a > > > computer. > > > > > > Or even if it is a computer, what if its in significantly > > > lesser-shape than the seller described? > > > > > > COD is definitely *not* the safety mechanism that people think it > > > is. Its only safe for the seller--not the buyer (as you point out). > > > > > > --- > > > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > > > Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants > > > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies > From cph Wed Dec 15 15:34:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02004 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:34:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26750; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:28:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26646; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from elaine20.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26631; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from elaine20.Stanford.EDU (171.64.15.85 -> elaine20.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:28:42 -0500 Received: (from dondon@localhost) by elaine20.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02521; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Liu Message-Id: <199912152028.MAA02521@elaine20.Stanford.EDU> To: kend@cisco.com, rwhittle@usa.net Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay Cc: rbell1@netscape.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the "mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) - justin > Actually, I'd get the post office to do the COD -- it makes a *BIG* > difference when a potential thief is drawing up his "pros and cons" > list, and all of a sudden federal crimes like "postal fraud" are listed. > Safety tip for Miami-Vice bad-guy wanna-bes: ship drugs UPS > or FedEx. With the post office involved, not only do you have > recourse, but the feds will take an active interest in the goings- > on. > > Just my $.02 worth (as a former UPS employee)... > > -Ken From cph Wed Dec 15 15:43:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02048 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:43:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27988; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:41:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27893; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27880; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:41:23 -0500 Received: from TP760 (24.137.23.22) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 15 Dec 1999 15:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002901bf473f$61b7a400$16178918@TP760.TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: [760ED] Modem stops responding / PCMCIA heat... Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4715.77E5D6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4715.77E5D6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm running Win98 on my 760ED and am having trouble with the above = situation. Whenever I suspend manually, or it enters auto suspend, the = modem stops working after I resume. I get the message that the 'modem is = not plugged in or is not responding...'. Any ideas to remedy this = problem? I'm running it at 33.6, because I can't negotiate a handshake = at 28.8. One other issue is heat in the PCMCIA card slot. I have a LiveWire = 10/100 NIC(made by NewMedia) that gets *extremly* hot in either slot. If = I hold the card in my hand after removing it, the card almost burns you! = I have yet to get my digital thermometer out, but man, it's very hot! = The card is a 16bit card(not cardbuss) and works perfectly-no problems. = Should I worry about this heat issue? Is it the card, or just the = position in the laptop itself? And is there any sollution? I have seen = the thermal patch for Win95, but I don't think this applies to = Win98SE... Thanks. -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4715.77E5D6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I'm running Win98 = on my 760ED=20 and am having trouble with the above situation. Whenever I suspend = manually, or=20 it enters auto suspend, the modem stops working after I resume. I get = the=20 message that the 'modem is not plugged in or is not responding...'. Any = ideas to=20 remedy this problem? I'm running it at 33.6, because I can't negotiate a = handshake at 28.8.
 
    One other=20 issue is heat in the PCMCIA card slot. I have a LiveWire 10/100 NIC(made = by=20 NewMedia) that gets *extremly* hot in either slot. If I hold the card in = my hand=20 after removing it, the card almost burns you! I have yet to get my = digital=20 thermometer out, but man, it's very hot! The card is a 16bit card(not = cardbuss)=20 and works perfectly-no problems. Should I worry about this heat issue? = Is it the=20 card, or just the position in the laptop itself? And is there any = sollution? I=20 have seen the thermal patch for Win95, but I don't think this applies to = Win98SE...
 
Thanks.
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4715.77E5D6E0-- From cph Wed Dec 15 16:25:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02362 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:25:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01746; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:22:46 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01661; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:22:46 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id QAA09833 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from normac.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29581; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from normac.com (209.95.84.161 -> circle-gw.normac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:02:27 -0500 Received: from normac.com [10.0.1.38] by normac.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38580167.C45B0180@normac.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:23 -0500 From: David Carlson Organization: Normac, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP730T]Portrait mode drivers for win95? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU X-Return-Path: dcarlson@normac.com List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for portrait mode drivers for the 730T which uses the Western Digital WD90c24a video chipset. Any help or direction would be appreciated. From cph Wed Dec 15 17:35:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02989 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06370; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:28:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06121; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06017; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.17 -> mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:26:38 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.5]) by mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991215222548.UUFS1849@compaq>; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:25:48 +0000 Message-ID: <38583F7B.542@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:25:15 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven C. Davis" CC: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , Randal Whittle , Rob Bell , TP List Subject: Re: Don't use the USPS (was: iescrow and ebay) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bought a CPU from a guy two an one half years ago for $50.00 COD. He never got the money. They are still sending me claim forms to sign! Steven C. Davis wrote: > > It is also all but impossible to get the USPS to honor an insurance claim. > They damaged a thinkpad I shipped in May, and I'm still working on getting > them to pay, and this is a very straightforward case where the outside > of the package was damaged, which in turn damaged the thinkpad. > > My original claim was filed in May, and included all receipts, > verification of value, and the damage was seen and documented by my local > postmaster. Since then, the claim has been rejected several times, each > for different reasons that were completely false. For example, the last > rejection was because they claimed noone at the post office saw the > damage. This is despite the letter from my postmaster documenting that he > did see the damage. The people in charge of the USPS insurance have > absolutely no integrity. > > It appears that if your claim exceeds a certain value, they have a list of > reasons for rejection that they will claim, regardless of any evidence to > the contrary. Each rejection and appeal takes at least 6 weeks, and I'm > sure they hope you'll just give up and stop appealing. > > Steven > > On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > If the Post Office "forgets" to forward the COD payment to the shipper, > > it is all but impossible to get them to honor a claim. NEVER do COD with > > the Post Office. > > > > Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > > > > > Actually, I'd get the post office to do the COD -- it makes a *BIG* > > > difference when a potential thief is drawing up his "pros and cons" > > > list, and all of a sudden federal crimes like "postal fraud" are listed. > > > Safety tip for Miami-Vice bad-guy wanna-bes: ship drugs UPS > > > or FedEx. With the post office involved, not only do you have > > > recourse, but the feds will take an active interest in the goings- > > > on. > > > > > > Just my $.02 worth (as a former UPS employee)... > > > > > > -Ken > > > > > > Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > > > > At 09:42 AM 12/15/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >I recently purchased a ThinkPad on eBay too. My situation went significantly > > > > >better, though. I purchased from a buyer with 0 feedback also, but I was > > > > >comfortable with the situation after exchanging a couple of e-mails with the > > > > >seller and getting agreement to send the unit FedEx COD. I did look into > > > > >iEscrow, but didn't find it appealing due to the high fee. In comparison, the > > > > >FedEx COD fee on a $2200 amount was about $8. > > > > > > > > You still don't get to inspect it before forking over the $. And > > > > you have no recourse once you do so. > > > > > > > > For all you know, there can be a rock inside the box rather than a > > > > computer. > > > > > > > > Or even if it is a computer, what if its in significantly > > > > lesser-shape than the seller described? > > > > > > > > COD is definitely *not* the safety mechanism that people think it > > > > is. Its only safe for the seller--not the buyer (as you point out). > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Randal Whittle rwhittle@usa.net (213) 746-7891 > > > > Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants > > > > New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies > > From cph Wed Dec 15 17:37:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02996 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:37:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06892; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06808; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from wally.bu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06795; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wally.bu.edu (168.122.247.54 -> BAYS091-0801-054.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:31 -0500 Received: from bu.edu (IDENT:aturley@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wally.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08548 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:36:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199912152236.RAA08548@wally.bu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: y2k survivability of 755CX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:36:11 -0500 From: Andrew Turley List-Unsubscribe: Anybody know if the 755CX bios can handle y2k? I'm almost afraid to test it myself. andy -- This is an experimental signature file, specially designed to not offend anyone. If you find it offensive, let me know and I will change it. ~~/~/~~ Andrew Turley == aturley@bu.edu From cph Wed Dec 15 17:53:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA03113 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:53:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08063; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07969; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07955; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:48 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax39.vramp.net [198.138.8.102]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06252; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:50:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ae01bf474f$22158f50$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Andrew Turley" References: <199912152236.RAA08548@wally.bu.edu> Subject: Re: y2k survivability of 755CX Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Andrew Turley" wrote: > Anybody know if the 755CX bios can handle y2k? I'm almost afraid to test it > myself. IBM says that, if the BIOS has been properly upgraded, all of the 755s are Y2K compliant. Go to: http://www-4.ibm.com/software/year2000/ and put in your unit's id number. You'll get an immediate response telling you what the latest BIOS version should be. Preloaded software on the 755s is a different story! See the same page. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 15 17:57:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA03137 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08413; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:54:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08323; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08308; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:54:30 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax39.vramp.net [198.138.8.102]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06485; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:53:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02b601bf474f$91e6e540$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Michael Geary" , "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:56:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Michael Geary" wrote: > > I think you're just looking at an old link. Check out > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ instead. The date on the tbook file > > there is October 1999. > > Thank you very much! The versions I was looking at are in: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ > > I'll update my links... And as they've been updating the pages, they're no longer putting in the original selling prices of the units! This used to be of enormous benefit to us when establishing a value on donated units. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 15 18:04:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03214 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:04:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08911; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:02:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08834; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08821; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:02:06 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04373; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02b601bf474f$91e6e540$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > And as they've been updating the [tbook] pages, they're no longer > putting in the original selling prices of the units! > > This used to be of enormous benefit to us when establishing a value on > donated units. Hmm... Not in the eyes of the IRS. They don't care what something originally sold for, they want to know its current fair market value. If you donate a used car, the original sales price when new doesn't mean a thing. Same with computers. (Sorry.) It was interesting to see the original prices, though. -Mike From cph Wed Dec 15 18:55:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03567 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:55:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11675; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11433; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11420; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:53 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax39.vramp.net [198.138.8.102]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10869; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <034401bf4757$64104d20$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Michael Geary" , "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:52:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Michael Geary" wrote: > Hmm... Not in the eyes of the IRS. They don't care what something originally > sold for, they want to know its current fair market value. If you donate a > used car, the original sales price when new doesn't mean a thing. Same with > computers. (Sorry.) Yes and no Mike. If an individual, then you're correct as to FMV. If a corporation however, then you get the original price less depreciation. Doesn't matter if it's a computer, car or aircraft and can be MUCH more than FMV. The prices in the t-books were just handy as a reference point and to have a hard copy to back up other documentation. Of course neither rule applies if the computer is donated within a year of purchase, in which case you get to deduct the full purchase price. Regards, James From cph Wed Dec 15 19:00:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03589 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:00:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12000; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:56:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11847; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11834; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:56:17 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18669; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: What happened to tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:56:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <034401bf4757$64104d20$61088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> List-Unsubscribe: > > Hmm... Not in the eyes of the IRS. They don't care what something originally > > sold for, they want to know its current fair market value. If you donate a > > used car, the original sales price when new doesn't mean a thing. Same with > > computers. (Sorry.) > > Yes and no Mike. If an individual, then you're correct as to FMV. If a > corporation however, then you get the original price less depreciation. > Doesn't matter if it's a computer, car or aircraft and can be > MUCH more than FMV. > > The prices in the t-books were just handy as a reference point > and to have a hard copy to back up other documentation. > > Of course neither rule applies if the computer is donated within a year of > purchase, in which case you get to deduct the full purchase price. Wow--very interesting. I didn't know about it being so different for corporations. Thanks for setting me straight on this. -Mike From cph Wed Dec 15 21:10:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04221 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:10:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18214; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:07:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18070; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18057; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:06:56 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.199]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991216020653.CUEK14377@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:06:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:06:28 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <199912152028.MAA02521@elaine20.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:28 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Justin Liu wrote: >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > Actually, I thought the whole thread was wildly interesting and darned close to being on topic since we all buy and sell and ship ThinkPads and their accessories at one time or another (and I'm usually pretty intolerant of threads that wander too far). Jane From cph Wed Dec 15 22:03:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04452 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:03:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20440; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20364; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20351; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:43 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.15]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991216025841.DQOO14377@compaq>; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:58:41 +0000 Message-ID: <38587F71.5693@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:09 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Justin says we can't talk about this any more. Guess he is the List Police for today. Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 12:28 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Justin Liu wrote: > > >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are > >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services > >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the > >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > > > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > > > > Actually, I thought the whole thread was wildly interesting and darned > close to being on topic since we all buy and sell and ship ThinkPads and > their accessories at one time or another (and I'm usually pretty intolerant > of threads that wander too far). > > Jane From cph Wed Dec 15 22:45:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04619 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:45:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22350; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:40:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22261; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22247; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:40:10 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.72.57.33]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19991216034008.LKUR22589@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:40:08 +0000 Message-ID: <38586076.90D0052A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:45:58 -0800 From: Frank Janik Reply-To: f.s.janik@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <38587F71.5693@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM Thinkpads = iescrow on Ebay ??? vulcan99 Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > Justin says we can't talk about this any more. > Guess he is the List Police for today. > > Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > At 12:28 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Justin Liu wrote: > > > > >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are > > >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services > > >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the > > >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > > > > > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > > > > > > > Actually, I thought the whole thread was wildly interesting and darned > > close to being on topic since we all buy and sell and ship ThinkPads and > > their accessories at one time or another (and I'm usually pretty intolerant > > of threads that wander too far). > > > > Jane From cph Wed Dec 15 22:54:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04660 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:54:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22852; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22760; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22713; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:15 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.199]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991216034613.ELVW14377@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991215224548.00de7a00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:45:48 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <38586076.90D0052A@worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <38587F71.5693@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:45 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Frank Janik wrote: >IBM Thinkpads = iescrow on Ebay ??? > "What's the best method to sell/buy/ship my ThinkPad?" From cph Wed Dec 15 22:54:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04664 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:54:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23140; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23056; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23042; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:00 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:00 -0500 Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06085; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id WAA0000000291; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:31 -0500 To: Bill Morrow Cc: aballard@ix.netcom.com, kim@stormhaven.org, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Sender: aballard@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.142.93.6 List-Unsubscribe: I really love to tinker around with memory. Gosh, makes me want to go back to the DOS days. I am headed home tomorrow, and will run my cache checker. I just don't believe the L2 is switched off. That would make no sense, at least to me. I have it here, but it won't go using the DOS 7 bundled with dose95,. And if L2 is shut off, it makes me wonder what happens to L1. "How much" is a slippery question, but when one turns it around, and asks 'how much memory before a performance hit' then it may be easier to get ahold of. Bill Morrow wrote: > I never heard that L2 cache is shut off, only that that is the limit, and more memory does not necessarily make for faster performance..because, in win95 (and win98 i suppose) memory is used from the top down, thus the memory most in use in not cached.. but this is not the whole picture.. in a notebook, with limited power, more memory = less swap file = less battery drain also there are other advantages over mere raw rabble rousing speed.. :-) i have always made the suggestion to those wanting 64meg for their 760CD's to reconsider.. 56megs is most cost effective for that machine and does not bring the video driver anomoly into play.. so, IMHO, the "how much memory" question is a slippery subject not given to easy, quick, one line answers.. aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Very interesting! > > I did not see the prior thread on the impact of Mb > 64 under Windows, and this is the first I've heard thata L2 is switched off. > > I have a cache checking utility to use once I get back home, and will let you know. I put 104Mb in a TP760XL running W95B. The utility runs from DOS though, so it will only reveal a limited amount of info. > > What about L1 memory? Is that impacted? > > I have often wondered at what point W95 no longer benefits from more megs of memory, but never stopped to think about actually taking a performace hit. > > Allan > > kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > > Bear in mind the 560s were (AFAIK) all pentium-based, and thushave the 64 MB L2 cache limit (the last time we discussed > this, I think the most credible explanation was that once you > have more than 64 MB, the L2 cache is shut off). The slowdown > when I went from 16 MB to 80 MB was noticable (but was much > more preferable to disk swapping). If you are already at > 40/48 MB without swapping problems and are only toying with > the idea of going past 64 MB just because you can, I would > suggest you stay at 40 MB. If I'd known at the time, I > would've gotten a 32 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB DIMM. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 15 23:10:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04725 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:10:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24256; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24173; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24160; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.17 -> mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:37 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.224]) by mtiwmhc10.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991216040535.BDBS1849@compaq>; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:05:35 +0000 Message-ID: <38588F1D.7677@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:01 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: f.s.janik@worldnet.att.net CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <38587F71.5693@worldnet.att.net> <38586076.90D0052A@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HUH? Is there a message here? Frank Janik wrote: > > IBM Thinkpads = iescrow on Ebay ??? > vulcan99 > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > Justin says we can't talk about this any more. > > Guess he is the List Police for today. > > > > Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > > > At 12:28 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Justin Liu wrote: > > > > > > >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are > > > >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services > > > >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the > > > >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > > > > > > > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I thought the whole thread was wildly interesting and darned > > > close to being on topic since we all buy and sell and ship ThinkPads and > > > their accessories at one time or another (and I'm usually pretty intolerant > > > of threads that wander too far). > > > > > > Jane From cph Thu Dec 16 00:56:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05002 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:56:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28646; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:50:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28561; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28539; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:50:03 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-270.gate.net [199.227.173.16]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA135496; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: <38587D4B.1F28DD1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:49:00 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay References: <38512EFA.E902C30C@netscape.net> <3.0.6.32.19991215090756.008286e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <3.0.6.32.19991215113906.012d9100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, guys.. i can't ignore this any longer.. :-) once about 4 years ago, i handled an escrow for two online guys.. i knew one, long term, and the other, short term.. i worked it out in what has become the best way to handle an escrow.. except both were responsible for the transaction.. 50/50 worked out fine and all were happy.. in the instant case here, iescrow obviously incurred a credit card discount fee of at least 1.8% and maybe more (I pay 3% and a basic fee of about $30/month).. so their charge of $60~ on a $1k~ transaction is not, IMO, too high.. if i were doing escrows now, i would be certain that both paid half the fee, via a CC.. this would serve two purposes.. the seller would need to reveal himself before the buyer paid HIS fee.. :-) also, it should have been made clear to the buyer that the seller might be a crook and that he would be liable for the full fee BEFORE he paid up..! hmm.. maybe i'm missing a small addition to my business here..?! :-)) BTW: my fee, then, was $50 incl. expenses.. time and a tel. call to the issuing bank of the cashiers check.. fedex of the cashiers check to the seller.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 11:11 AM 12/15/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > >Mark, > > > >"Mark Bell" wrote: > > > > > > > >> The seller essentially fell off of the face of the > >> earth and did not respond to emails. I emailed > >> iescrow and told them of the situation. They, too, > >> did not receive any replies from the seller. At > >> this point they refunded me $1095.00, but kept > >> the $59.75! I found this grossly unfair. Their > >> support response was to the effect that, "our > >> fee covers us securing your funds. What would > >> have happened if you had sent the whole amount?" > > > >As you say, "As if!". There's a basic problem here with your perception of > >whether or not iEscrow performed their duty or not. To _me_ they did. They > >withheld payment until you received the shipment and approved payment. > > > >You didn't receive the shipment, didn't approve payment and your money was > >refunded, all as advertised. > > > >The fact that you had the privilege of paying $60 for this exercise in > >futility sucks, but iEscrow performed to the letter of their agreement. > > But in hindsight (and the lost transaction fee ), I stepped back and > actually contemplated, "what did they do/offer for that fee that actually > afforded me more protection than using traditional methods?" I came to > the conclusion, "none." I don't believe they did anything at all, but > that's my opinion, as yours is they did perform to the letter of their > agreement. > > What this proves to me is that I will stick with traditional methods which > I have used over and over again or I will simply negate the transaction. > I've bought/sold items for years on BBSes and then the Internet. From this > moment, I choose not to use iescrow based upon the fact that their system > leaves one of the parties completely liable for their transaction fee. I > didn't want to use iescrow, but in all honesty I certainly wasn't going to > mail payment upfront. I am a firm believer in credit cards or COD. Rest > assured, I will be contesting this charge with my VISA and we will see > what recourse they decide upon. But the transaction fee issue is just > the tip of the iceberg. IMHO, iescrow is a case of false security... > > > > >> It also makes you wonder what happens if you do > >> receive the equipment, it is bad, wrong, broken and > >> you complain? No matter the outcome, one party is > >> going to be held liable for the transaction fee. > >> Even if you send it back, you are liable. Personally, > >> I don't think iescrow is any better than conducting > >> business the old fashion way. You still potentially > >> expose yourself to fraud as a buyer or seller, but > >> you get the added bonus of false security AND the > >> pleasure of paying a transaction fee! > > > >Suppose the seller _had_ sent the item COD, and it arrived not as advertised > >or, worse, DOA! What recourse would you have then? Look at the iEscrow fee > >as insurance (cheap at approx. 5%!) or as a sort of sales tax. Much easier > >to accept, especially as it's a legitimate deductible item at tax time as > >either insurance or a banking fee. If the transaction had been completed you > >certainly would have passed this cost on to your client. Right? > > See, that's why it pays to be friendly with your UPS or FedEx delivery > person. :) I routinely engage them in conversation whilst I quickly > open the package to verify the contents. I buy/sell so many items that > they know I am completely honest and legitimate when it comes to CODs. If > I am unable to open them here, I open them at the depot. What I want is if > there's a problem a witness at worst, and for them to take it back at > best, but I digress... > > What I am asking is: what if the seller had sent an item not as advertised; I > send it back; he contests it along with I. What recourse does iescrow take > in this instance? What party do they believe? What is to stop me from > receiving merchandise and accusing the sender of sending an empty package > or a totally different item and contesting the amount? What is to stop the > seller from saying I am trying to rip him off or the inverse? The system is > no better than traditional methods. The only thing I get is the luxury of > paying a transaction fee, having my funds held up for a refund, and actually > no more protection than COD has to afford. iescrow acts as a middleman with > minimal to zero power to do anything in the case of a con artist at work. > They are just an extra step in the transaction process. > > As for passing on the fee, in a sense, no. When clients want x machines at > y pricing, I commit to the price based upon market research. If I happen > to find a machine cheaper, then I reap the rewards. If I find a machine > that's too much or will cut into the service part of the delivery, then > the bear eats me. 99% of the time, it works in my favor. > > > > >> On the flipside, I just received a TP770z (8BU) for a client > >> from an aol.com user with **0** feedback on ebay via > >> COD, and all went well! :) > > > >But it's not a perfect system either. I'm waiting for several COD shipments, > >two for more than a month. Short of posting a negative feedback in an effort > >to get the seller to get off the pot (which would probably be > >counter-productive) what recourse do I have? None, besides patience. > > But in the long run you did not lose any money. If someone doesn't ship > a COD item, then, well, you are irritated, but at least you didn't lose > a transaction fee or any other money, no? If the seller had agreed upon > COD for moi, and he didn't send it, I am irritated, but I am not out > any money. Hmmm, sounds like the iescrow debacle, except I AM out $60.00. > > >I have to admit that I tend to favor sellers on eBay who have the ability to > >accept a credit card payment. I use my AMEX and I'm covered for any problems > >that may arise. I bought a 760L that arrived with a cracked display. There > >was NO way that this happened in shipment so I contacted the seller and said > >I was sending it back. He said "No way, contact UPS!", to which I replied > >that the unit was obviously sent damaged and I was returning it. > > I agree completely. But the best deals are sometimes won with individual > buyers > instead of companies. >;) In order of preference I like: credit card, COD, > prepay, > escrow. :) Let me reiterate, I will be contesting this charge with my VISA > bank, > and I am curious to see their take is on the situation. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 16 00:59:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05029 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:59:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28846; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:53:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28744; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28731; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:53:11 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-270.gate.net [199.227.173.16]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA179032; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:52:20 -0500 Message-ID: <38587E4C.C1656EB6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:53:16 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: aballard@ix.netcom.com, kim@stormhaven.org, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: this factor was worked out YEARS ago.. (1995) and the result was that it was trivial in comparison to the overall drain.... Adam Quantrill wrote: > Indeed, also remember that more memory = more chips = higher power drain, though I agree that swapping would dwarf this if the disk is already powered down. > > **SNIP** -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 16 03:28:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05350 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:28:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05037; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:22:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04942; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04929; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:22:35 -0500 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19991216082027.OUPP15480.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:20:27 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 To: Tom Trottier Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:22:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Redhat Reply-to: tom@act.ca CC: Think Priority: urgent References: <006801bf43da$d934a220$9fb71b3f@default> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <19991216082027.OUPP15480.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Ken, Tom On 11 Dec 99, at 8:44, Ken D'Ambrosio spoke about "Re: Redhat," saying > It depends on what you want, quite honestly. If you were one of those > types who, 15 years ago, bought a Commodore or an Apple just to see how it > works, and to figure things out, absolutely. If, on the other hand, you > don't care what makes it go -- you just want applications and games, > well... probably not. IMHO, as a PC admin for Cisco, I have to say that > Linux offers vastly more flexibility, but the learning curve isn't exactly > shallow. It's gotten much better, though, and it really is enjoyable if > you go for figuring things out. For the moment, though, if you want to > use it exclusively as a productivity OS, I would hold back. It's almost > there, but you'll still need to do a fair bit o' tweaking to get things > "just right." And, bear in mind that if your TP has a WinModem(tm), it > Just Won't Work with Linux -- you'll have to get a PCMCIA (non-Winmodem) > or external. > > -Ken > > P.S. I, myself, don't even have MS installed on any of my computers, and > while it's installed on my work computers, Linux is the primary OS on all > of them. So, yes, I definitely enjoy Linux. ;-) Red Hat and Mandrake > are currently in favor with me, though I'm sure others share differing > opinions. > > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999, Brad Burean wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:23:00 -0600 > > From: Brad Burean > > To: Think > > Subject: Redhat > > > > Ok, I'm sure everyone's gonna say jeez but is there and advantage to > > Linux Redhat over Windows 95 for just the home user? I've got a TP > > 560, 133 MHz and I've just been curious. > > > > Brad > > > ----------------- From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o ICQ:57647974 _ \< Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax: 594-5412 No ads, please (*)/'(*) "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein From cph Thu Dec 16 06:48:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA06007 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:48:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19537; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:43:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19453; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19438; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:43:09 -0500 Received: from TP760 (24.137.23.25) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 16 Dec 1999 06:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01bf47bd$59614080$16178918@TP760.TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Subject: ATTN: Richard Chalk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:01:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Richard, I sent the check for $35 out last week around friday or so and have not been able to contact you via direct e-mail. I need to know if you have recieved the check or not yet. If not I will have to assume you either have not cashed it or it was lost in the mail, in which case I'll have to do a stop payment on it. If you are waiting to cash it, please contact me so I know what's going on... Regards, -Jamie My appologies for the OT message, however it did pertain to a Dock1 purchass.... From cph Thu Dec 16 09:27:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06414 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:27:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26725; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:20:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26604; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26590; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40 -> www0k.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:20:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 21992 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 1999 14:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216142040.21991.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Dec 16 14:20:39 GMT 1999 Date: 16 Dec 99 08:20:39 CST From: Rob Bell To: Subject: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA06415 Most chipsets for Pentium (not Celeron, PPro, P-II, or P-III) processors do not provide enough tag ram to cache more than 64MB of memory. Memory installed on the system board above 64MB will not be cached. A Pentium system with 64MB of memory will be likely to function slightly quicker than a system with > 64MB of memory if NOT ALL of the 64MB of physical memory is being used on the systems. A Pentium system with > 64MB of memory will function noticably quicker than a system with 64MB of memory if > 64MB of memory is in use. This is because the system with over 64MB will still be running things from memory, while the 64MB system will resort to virtual memory (disk swapping), which is magnitudes of order slower than even uncached physical memory. So, if you routinely use up all physical memory and have disk swapping, you'll generally be happy with a memory upgrade over 64MB. If you just run one application at a time and not much for background tasks, then you may find your system slower after an upgrade over 64MB. HTH, Rob wrote: > I really love to tinker around with memory. Gosh, > makes me want to go back to the DOS days. > > I am headed home tomorrow, and will run my cache checker. > I just don't believe the L2 is switched off. That would > make no sense, at least to me. I have it here, but it won't > go using the DOS 7 bundled with dose95,. > > And if L2 is shut off, it makes me wonder what > happens to L1. > > "How much" is a slippery question, but when one turns it > around, and asks 'how much memory before a performance hit' > then it may be easier to get ahold of. > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Dec 16 09:42:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06481 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:42:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27984; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27899; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27885; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:14 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-130.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13106; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3858F966.4607D4E1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:38:30 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ATTN: Richard Chalk References: <007a01bf47bd$59614080$16178918@TP760.TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard Chalk has been known to me for over 4 years.. he is a busy fellow working for a very large US company.. if he has failed to reply to you, i would not be overly worried.. :-) Slip wrote: > Richard, > I sent the check for $35 out last week around friday or so and have not > been able to contact you via direct e-mail. I need to know if you have > received the check or not yet. If not I will have to assume you either have > not cashed it or it was lost in the mail, in which case I'll have to do a > stop payment on it. If you are waiting to cash it, please contact me so I > know what's going on... > > Regards, > -Jamie > My appologies for the OT message, however it did pertain to a Dock1 > purchase.... -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 16 09:57:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06556 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:57:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29047; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28972; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28959; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.202 -> c008-h013.c008.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:13 -0500 Received: (cpmta 20431 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 06:52:11 -0800 Received: from okc2A-hfc-0251-d8d85778.ok.coxatwork.com (HELO concentric.net) (216.216.87.120) by smtp.okc.coxatwork.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 06:52:11 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Dec 1999 14:52:11 GMT Message-ID: <3858FC9A.45CF553D@concentric.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:52:10 -0600 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600: Two Mice? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've got a TP600 (PII 300, 128mb RAM) runninng IBM factory installed Win98. At home it stays on my desk, plugged into a port replicator with (among other things) a small Logitech wheeled mouse attached; I bought an identical mouse to keep in my travel bag so I don't have to remember to unplug and pack the one on my desk. Now the one on my desk is acting up....several attempts at cleaning it have not improved its action (or 'inaction')....and I'm thinking about replacing it with one of these new Microsoft photoelectronic (or whatever they are called) mice. Query: will I also have to replace the Logitech mouse in my travel bag, or will the TP automatically be able to recognize which (or indeed, if either) mouse is attached? TIA, --Bob Baron (btw: I'm just back from Paris...thanks to all who gave advice....the TP worked just fine plugged into the RJ-11 phone line in my hotel room; once I figured out what numbers to dial to connect to the ISP my ISP has a deal with in France it worked as advertised.) From cph Thu Dec 16 10:34:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA06706 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:34:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01566; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:28:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01485; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01472; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40 -> www0k.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:28:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 28836 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 1999 15:28:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991216152836.28835.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Dec 16 15:28:36 GMT 1999 Date: 16 Dec 99 09:28:36 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP600: Two Mice? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA06707 If you just use the basic features of the mice (moving, left/right click), everything is likely to work fine. If you want to use extended features, then you will probably have conflicts. For instance, I use a regular MS mouse at work and the fancier version with the scroll button at home. I don't have the scrolling features enabled, so both mice work identically and without problem. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Dec 16 11:09:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06879 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:09:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04514; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04405; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04391; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:29 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax8.vramp.net [198.138.8.71]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11149; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf47df$56f996e0$47088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <19991216152836.28835.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: TP600: Two Mice? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:05:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: "Rob Bell" wrote: "If you just use the basic features of the mice (moving, left/right click), everything is likely to work fine. If you want to use extended features, then you will probably have conflicts. For instance, I use a regular MS mouse at work and the fancier version with the scroll button at home. I don't have the scrolling features enabled, so both mice work identically and without problem." Set up two profiles, docked and undocked. I've got an MS wheelmouse on my 600 when it's in the replicator, a Logitech trackball when it's undocked. No problems with either and the trackpoint still works either way. Regards, James From cph Thu Dec 16 11:16:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06916 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:16:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05330; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:11:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05246; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05231; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:11:19 -0500 Received: from rchalk (1Cust241.tnt5.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.44.241]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA29209; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:10:47 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Slip" Cc: Subject: RE: ATTN: Richard Chalk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3858F966.4607D4E1@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: Bill, thanks for the support. I have written to Jamie with apologies and explanations, and will complete my transaction with him today. Apologies to the list, but since this "open loop" was made public, I just wanted to set the record straight. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:39 AM To: Slip Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ATTN: Richard Chalk Richard Chalk has been known to me for over 4 years.. he is a busy fellow working for a very large US company.. if he has failed to reply to you, i would not be overly worried.. :-) Slip wrote: > Richard, > I sent the check for $35 out last week around friday or so and have not > been able to contact you via direct e-mail. I need to know if you have > received the check or not yet. If not I will have to assume you either have > not cashed it or it was lost in the mail, in which case I'll have to do a > stop payment on it. If you are waiting to cash it, please contact me so I > know what's going on... > > Regards, > -Jamie > My appologies for the OT message, however it did pertain to a Dock1 > purchase.... -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 16 12:36:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07391 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:36:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11685; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:30:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11572; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11559; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.206 -> c008-h017.c008.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:30:21 -0500 Received: (cpmta 12527 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 09:30:20 -0800 Received: from okc2A-hfc-0251-d8d85778.ok.coxatwork.com (HELO concentric.net) (216.216.87.120) by smtp.okc.coxatwork.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 09:30:20 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Dec 1999 17:30:20 GMT Message-ID: <385921AF.8DD46E35@concentric.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:30:23 -0600 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP600: Two Mice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Set up two profiles, docked and undocked. Good idea! To which control panel or program do I go to set up the various profiles? Thanks again, --Bob From cph Thu Dec 16 12:50:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07490 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:50:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12769; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12662; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12609; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:31 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22718; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Bill Morrow" Cc: , Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I am headed home tomorrow, and will run my cache checker. > I just don't believe the L2 is switched off. That would > make no sense, at least to me. I have it here, but it won't > go using the DOS 7 bundled with dose95,. > > And if L2 is shut off, it makes me wonder what > happens to L1. L2 chache isn't "switched off". The first 64Mb of memory is cached by the L2 cache. Memory above 64Mb doesn't go into the L2 cache. L1 cache works on any memory address, I'm pretty sure. The L2 thing is a chipset issue, not a CPU issue. -Mike From cph Thu Dec 16 13:04:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07648 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:04:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13980; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:58:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13896; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13882; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:58:07 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA22891 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:58:02 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912161758.LAA22891@europa.veggie.com> Subject: tp560 floppy cable extension? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:58:02 -0600 (EST) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: hiya, anyone know if there's a way to extend the cable between the tp560x and the external floppy drive? the way the connector is placed on the side of the tp560 and the length of the cable makes the drive always stick out in an awkward position for me. thanks esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Thu Dec 16 13:31:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07849 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:31:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15974; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15852; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15839; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (198.206.134.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:50 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-130.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26432; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:24:40 -0500 Message-ID: <38592E7D.C4621D8A@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:25:01 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? References: <199912161758.LAA22891@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the floppy cable from the 770 has the same pinout (at least they each work on the other machine)... and the 770 cable is about 14inches long.. :-) Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > hiya, > > anyone know if there's a way to extend the cable between the tp560x > and the external floppy drive? > > the way the connector is placed on the side of the tp560 and the > length of the cable makes the drive always stick out in an awkward > position for me. > > thanks > esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 16 14:59:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08531 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:59:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22716; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22617; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22604; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:54 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23236; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:53:43 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912161953.NAA23236@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:53:42 -0600 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38592E7D.C4621D8A@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Dec 16, 99 01:25:01 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow writes: > > the floppy cable from the 770 has the same pinout (at least they each work on > the other machine)... > and the 770 cable is about 14inches long.. :-) Hello, Any idea where I could get one of these things, and about how much they are? I probably wouldn't want to spent too much on it, but the short cord (about 7 inches) is really anoying when I do have to use the floppy (which admittely isn't that frequent). If I could pick one up for cheap, I'd probably go for it. Thanks Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Thu Dec 16 15:35:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08804 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:35:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26593; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:29:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26504; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26491; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:29:55 -0500 Received: from TP760 (24.137.23.25) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Dec 1999 15:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01bf4806$e81a3ae0$19178918@TP760.TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Richard Chalk" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: ATTN: Richard Chalk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:48:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: My appologies for jumping to conclusions and making this public. I fully understand Mr. Chalk's position now-I just needed to know. So to 'set the record straight', Mr. Chalk is obviously a very honorable person. :-) Thanks again. -Jamie >Bill, thanks for the support. I have written to Jamie with apologies and >explanations, and will complete my transaction with him today. >Apologies to the list, but since this "open loop" was made public, I just >wanted to set the record straight. From cph Thu Dec 16 16:03:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09033 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:03:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28094; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:49:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27998; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27543; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:44:36 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:45:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19573; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:22:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:22:07 -0500 (EST) To: Michael Geary cc: aballard@ix.netcom.com, Bill Morrow , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > I am headed home tomorrow, and will run my cache checker. > > I just don't believe the L2 is switched off. That would > > make no sense, at least to me. I have it here, but it won't > > go using the DOS 7 bundled with dose95,. > > > > And if L2 is shut off, it makes me wonder what > > happens to L1. > > L2 chache isn't "switched off". The first 64Mb of memory is cached by the L2 > cache. Memory above 64Mb doesn't go into the L2 cache. This is why I said "most credible." Last time this issue cropped up, a lot of people said that the L2 isn't switched off (which is what I originally believed too), but never qualified it. One of the persons who claimed it was switched off gave a pointer to a web site which explained it all in detail. I really don't know who is right (and it never interested me enough to save the URL since the original Pentiums and TX chipset are almost ancient history). But it would be most helpful if folks chiming in on this thread would state some credentials or give some references supporting their statement. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Thu Dec 16 16:22:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09190 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:22:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00263; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00145; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00132; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:44 -0500 Received: from user-38lcjo5.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcjo5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.5]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13488; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:15:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912162115.QAA13488@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "kim@stormhaven.org" , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:16:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? List-Unsubscribe: I ran the cachechk program and indeed it appears that the L2 is turned off. Cachechk went nuts looking for it, then told me that I might have fake cache (in other words, Cachechk found the L2 memory, but could not cope with it being turned off.)' This is insane. I would never have believed it. I wonder if there is a way to turn L2 back on..... On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:22:07 -0500 (EST), kim@stormhaven.org wrote: >On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > >> > I am headed home tomorrow, and will run my cache checker. >> > I just don't believe the L2 is switched off. That would >> > make no sense, at least to me. I have it here, but it won't >> > go using the DOS 7 bundled with dose95,. >> > >> > And if L2 is shut off, it makes me wonder what >> > happens to L1. >> >> L2 chache isn't "switched off". The first 64Mb of memory is cached by the L2 >> cache. Memory above 64Mb doesn't go into the L2 cache. > >This is why I said "most credible." Last time this issue >cropped up, a lot of people said that the L2 isn't switched >off (which is what I originally believed too), but never >qualified it. One of the persons who claimed it was switched >off gave a pointer to a web site which explained it all in >detail. > >I really don't know who is right (and it never interested me >enough to save the URL since the original Pentiums and TX >chipset are almost ancient history). But it would be most >helpful if folks chiming in on this thread would state some >credentials or give some references supporting their >statement. > >-- >John H. Kim >kim@stormhaven.org > From cph Thu Dec 16 17:24:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09542 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:24:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05890; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05779; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05766; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:18:55 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10497; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: Cc: , "Bill Morrow" , Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:18:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I really don't know who is right (and it never interested me > enough to save the URL since the original Pentiums and TX > chipset are almost ancient history). But it would be most > helpful if folks chiming in on this thread would state some > credentials or give some references supporting their > statement. Good point--you got me there! BTW, here is one related item: The original 560 (not 560E/X/Z) has *no* L2 cache, so there wouldn't be any 64Mb caching issue on that machine. I do have a reliable source for this: tbook.pdf. -Mike From cph Thu Dec 16 17:26:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09578 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:26:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06127; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:21:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06054; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06041; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:21:57 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10958; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Allan " , Cc: "Bill Morrow" , Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:21:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199912162115.QAA13488@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I ran the cachechk program and indeed it appears > that the L2 is turned off. Cachechk went nuts > looking for it, then told me that I might have > fake cache (in other words, Cachechk found > the L2 memory, but could not cope with it > being turned off.)' > > This is insane. I would never have believed it. > > I wonder if there is a way to turn L2 back on..... Is your machine a 560, or a 560E/X/Z? If it's the original 560, it doesn't have any L2 cache. At least that's what tbook.pdf says. -Mike From cph Thu Dec 16 17:44:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09733 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:44:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07765; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07690; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07677; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:24 -0500 Received: from user-38lcjo5.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcjo5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.5]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31061; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:39:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912162239.RAA31061@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "kim@stormhaven.org" , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:39:56 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? List-Unsubscribe: It's a 760XL and it has 256K. On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:21:48 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: > >Is your machine a 560, or a 560E/X/Z? If it's the original 560, it doesn't >have any L2 cache. At least that's what tbook.pdf says. From cph Thu Dec 16 18:27:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09950 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:27:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10635; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:22:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10547; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10528; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:21:59 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA17589; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:21:43 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003f01bf481c$5c66fa40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan " , , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , References: <199912162115.QAA13488@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:21:57 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I ran the cachechk program and indeed it appears > that the L2 is turned off. Cachechk went nuts > looking for it Of course, this program *might* just have a problem dealing with memory of this size; there is a warning flag on the cachechk link at www.sysopt.com/cache I am the one who originally posted the link to a very nice description of the L2 problem; alas, I can no longer find it among my bookmarks. My recollection is that at the time we were debating whether the phenomenon was OS-dependent (we decided it was not). Here is what Crucial (aka Micron) says at their website: "The L2 cache on your system acts as a go-between for your CPU and DRAM. Data is transmitted from the CPU to the DRAM through the L2 cache preventing a data bottle neck going into the DRAM. 256K of L2 cache can handle the cache function for up to 64MB of DRAM, and 512K will handle up to 128MB. If you add more than 64MB to a system that can't cache it you will have a bottleneck in the cache which will slow your computer down. In this instance it would be better to disable the L2 cache altogether, which will slow your memory down a little, but will be faster than leaving it enabled. Some systems have the 64MB cacheable limit built into the motherboard design and adding L2 cache will not increase the limit of DRAM you can cache. On Pentium II systems the L2 cache is built into the processor assembly, and handles the cache function for up to 2GB of DRAM. " - David R. From cph Thu Dec 16 20:11:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10476 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:11:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16778; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:03:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16503; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16489; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:03:32 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18183; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:03:22 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001a01bf482a$8f28b820$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <199912162115.QAA13488@smtp6.mindspring.com> <003f01bf481c$5c66fa40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <022301bf4829$47eaea60$03785a8e@pmachule> Subject: Re: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:03:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Peter Machule has suggested (offline?) to me that the quote I included from Micron is somewhat flawed. His arguments seem right to me. I don't endorse what Micron says, it is just the first site I ran across while trying to find the other (very good) website I once had a link to. I will look harder for the latter later today or tomorrow. - David R. From cph Thu Dec 16 20:34:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10558 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:34:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18198; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18124; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18111; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20078 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:28:14 -0500 (EST) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: past 40 megs on a tp560? In-Reply-To: <003f01bf481c$5c66fa40$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Well, after spending about an hour looking for more info, the vast majority of sites say the lower 64MB remains cached, but Windows loads from the top down so almost always ends up in uncached memory (i.e. you take a performance hit almost as bad as if the L2 were disabled). Even if the app is loaded into cached memory, it probably relies on system DLLs which are in uncached memory. Unfortunately, none of the sites I found explained in enough detail for me to consider it authoritative (my grasp of how L2 cache seeks work is nearly nonexistent, and I could see arguments going either way). I did find this site, which gives some benchmarks in 64MB and 96MB configurations (which are applicable whether the L2 cache is/isn't disabled). The slowdown is about 5%-15%, which is about what I figured: http://www.tweakit.com/bench/p5/96.html The reason we hashed over this whole topic last time was because I mentioned I'd heard that you can set up a ramdisk to reside in the uncached memory. This would let you avoid the dreaded slowdown, while still being able to take advantage of the extra memory (perhaps put the swapfile there). If the L2 cache is still active for the lower 64MB, then this would work. If the L2 cache is disabled, then it wouldn't work. At this point, I have probably wasted more time on this than the total time I will ever spend waiting for a system that is running slower because it has more RAM than it can cache. :) So I will bow out of the discussion. I'm still curious what the answer is though. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Thu Dec 16 22:16:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA10906 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:16:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22429; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:10:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22308; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22295; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:10:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19385; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:09:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:09:35 -0800 (PST) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991215210628.00ee6b20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I disagree. I'm really sick of hearing about ebay. Though I have slipped at times in the past, I try to use the following criterion in deciding whether to post to this group: Would this post be of interest to anyone who doesn't own a thinkpad? If so, post it elsewhere, if not: Would this post be of interest to anyone? if so this is the place. else resist posting :). On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 12:28 PM 12/15/99 -0800, Justin Liu wrote: > > >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are > >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services > >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the > >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > > > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > > > > Actually, I thought the whole thread was wildly interesting and darned > close to being on topic since we all buy and sell and ship ThinkPads and > their accessories at one time or another (and I'm usually pretty intolerant > of threads that wander too far). > > Jane > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph Fri Dec 17 00:52:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11786 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:52:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29080; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:46:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29003; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28990; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:46:04 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-130.gate.net [199.227.20.193]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA167962; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3859CC1A.E34C44CF@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:37:31 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? References: <199912161953.NAA23236@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the last time i got one, it was from IBM boulder parts.. $80~ + shipping, etc. if thats cheap enough then call 800-388-7080 and ask for FRU P/N 12J0432 Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Bill Morrow writes: > > > > the floppy cable from the 770 has the same pinout (at least they each work on > > the other machine)... > > and the 770 cable is about 14inches long.. :-) > > Hello, > > Any idea where I could get one of these things, and about how much > they are? I probably wouldn't want to spent too much on it, but the > short cord (about 7 inches) is really anoying when I do have to use > the floppy (which admittely isn't that frequent). If I could pick one > up for cheap, I'd probably go for it. > > Thanks > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Fri Dec 17 03:25:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12142 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:25:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05045; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:20:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04921; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04908; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:20:06 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA25199; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:20:02 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912170820.CAA25199@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:20:02 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3859CC1A.E34C44CF@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Dec 17, 99 00:37:31 am Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow writes: > > the last time i got one, it was from IBM boulder parts.. $80~ + shipping, etc. > if thats cheap enough then call 800-388-7080 and ask for FRU P/N 12J0432 Ugh! $80 + s&h ?? Are you serious? Wow. There's no way I'd be willing to pay that much money for a simple cable .. heck, I bought my refurbed external CD drive for the TP for about that much. Maybe $10 ... I was willing to pay a premium for the quality of the TP, but how expensive can a cable be, even if it comes from IBM. Oh well... I do appreciate the information. Cheers, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Dec 17 05:05:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA12395 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:05:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09843; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:59:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09735; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09714; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (24.2.2.66 -> ha1.rdc1.md.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:59:28 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.3.59.26]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991217095927.WISG26939.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: <385A0985.55241696@home.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:59:34 -0500 From: "Karl W. Hardy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,dc.forsale.computers,balt.forsale,md.forsale To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: FS: IBM ThinkPad 600,2GB Jaz Drive, etc. References: <38561FED.8474DB37@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: New price for the package is $1,600. "Karl W. Hardy" wrote: > Hello, > > I have an IBM ThinkPad 600 for sale. It is Model 2645-51U, which has a > Pentium II 266Mhz processor, 13.3-inch active-matrix screen, 56K modem > and 24X CD-ROM drive. I've upgraded the memory to 128MB of SDRAM and > added a 10GB IBM Travelstar hard drive to the 4GB hard drive that > shipped with the computer. The computer has a brand new lithium-ion > battery and is still under warranty and in excellent condition. I would > like to sell it as part of a package containing: > > A 2GB Iomega Jaz external drive with (3) 2GB Jaz disks, a Jaz Traveller > SCSI-to-parallel adapter, and carrying case; > and > A Xircom RealPort Cardbus 32-bit 10/100 Ethernet PC card. These items > are also in excellent condition. > > I am asking $1,900/obo for the whole package, including shipping if > necessary. I am the Baltimore, MD, area. > > Please respond to karlwhardy@home.com. > > Thanks. From cph Fri Dec 17 06:28:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA12772 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:28:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20010; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:21:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19769; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19755; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:21:07 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA22106; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:20:49 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01bf4880$d1879280$8a3e6420@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <199912170820.CAA25199@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:21:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Blue Star has it listed for $40. They also have none in stock...you might try some of the other 'usual suspect' IBM aftermarket parts places. Comparing to your CD drive price - which was a fluke - is not really fair. Proprietary cables for virtually anything start at around $20, and drive cables have to be pretty good for a clean signal, especially extra-long cables. I remember when Centronics printer cables sold for $40 or more.... - David R. > > the last time i got one, it was from IBM boulder parts.. $80~ + shipping, etc. > > if thats cheap enough then call 800-388-7080 and ask for FRU P/N 12J0432 > > Ugh! $80 + s&h ?? Are you serious? Wow. There's no way I'd be willing > to pay that much money for a simple cable .. heck, I bought my > refurbed external CD drive for the TP for about that much. Maybe $10 > ... I was willing to pay a premium for the quality of the TP, but how > expensive can a cable be, even if it comes from IBM. > > Oh well... I do appreciate the information. > > Cheers, > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > > From cph Fri Dec 17 10:03:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13529 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:03:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01333; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01202; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01187; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:57:04 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax6.vramp.net [198.138.8.69]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13021; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:56:57 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Robert D. Baron" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: TP600: Two Mice Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <385921AF.8DD46E35@concentric.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Robert D. Baron [mailto:rbaron@concentric.net] wrote: > Set up two profiles, docked and undocked. >Good idea! To which control panel or program do I go to set up the various profiles?< In W95, W98, W2K and NT4, right click on "My Computer", left click on "Properties" and then select "User Profiles". You can then choose to name and save the present configuration as, for instance, docked. Then go to "Hardware" and turn off the mouse you don't want supported in that profile. Do the same for an un-docked state and save as "Un-Docked". Now when you boot you'll be given a choice of which profile you want to run under. You can select either as the default. There's no limit to how many profiles you have, so you can have sub-categories such as docked with or without a NIC card. Regards, James From cph Fri Dec 17 12:53:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14494 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12633; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12496; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12483; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21851; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:47:06 -0500 (EST) To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? In-Reply-To: <199912170820.CAA25199@europa.veggie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > > > the last time i got one, it was from IBM boulder parts.. $80~ + shipping, etc. > > if thats cheap enough then call 800-388-7080 and ask for FRU P/N 12J0432 > > Ugh! $80 + s&h ?? Are you serious? Wow. There's no way I'd be willing > to pay that much money for a simple cable .. heck, I bought my The floppy connector is really some IEEE spec printer connector. The printer cables are wired a little differently though, so may or may not work as an extension. Still, if you can find a printer cable extension (straight-through wiring) it should work. Bring your floppy along to a big computer store (with a money back guarantee) and find a cable with the same connectors. Give it a shot. If it doesn't work, return it (about the only justification I can think of for the excessive prices these places charge). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Fri Dec 17 13:10:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14642 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:10:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13950; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13869; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13855; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.144 -> as-img-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:44 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id NAA12247 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:18 -0500 From: Scott Mueller Subject: Cacheability limitations Sender: Scott Mueller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <199912171304_MC2-917C-8429@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA14643 I see there is some confusion on L2 cache limitations. I can set the record straight. Most Pentium (Socket 4, 5, or 7) chipsets including the 430FX, MX, VX or TX support caching only up to 64MB, which means you SHOULD NOT run more than that amount of memory in any system with those chipsets. Since all protected mode OS and drivers load from the top down, they would load directly into non-cached memory, dramatically slowing down the system. The older 430LX chipset would support up to 192MB, and the 430NX and HX would support up to 512K, but those were rarely used in mobile systems. Most Pentium notebook systems like the 770 used the Intel Mobile Module with the 430TX chipset. For more information on Intel Pentium chipset L2 cacheability limits see: . For Pentium II/III/Celeron systems, the L2 cache controller is no longer in the chipset, it is in the processor instead. Most earlier Pentium II processors had a cacheable limit of 512MB, meaning that is the amount of RAM you should not exceed if you want your system performance to remain high. Later Pentium II/III and Celeron processors with L2 cache have a cacheability limit of 4GB, meaning any RAM installed up to that amount will be cached. Usually the chipset will limit the maximum RAM to at or below 4GB anyway. Note that the cacheability limit does NOT depend in any way on the AMOUNT of L2 cache you have. The post that referred to this (from Micron I believe) is incorrect. The L2 cacheability limit is primarily due to the amount of Tag-RAM (where the index to data in the cache is stored) utilized in the L2 Cache, not the size of the cache itself. Scott. From cph Fri Dec 17 13:48:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15059 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:48:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17774; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:41:45 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17695; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:41:44 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id NAA20083 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from normac.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21560; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from normac.com (209.95.84.161 -> circle-gw.normac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:06:35 -0500 Received: from normac.com [10.0.1.38] by normac.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:05:05 -0500 Message-ID: <385A26F1.DED8317E@normac.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:05:05 -0500 From: David Carlson Organization: Normac, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Portrait mode driver for [TP730T] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Return-Path: dcarlson@normac.com List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the web page, I found the portrait mode driver for the TP730T. I followed his instructions for installing it by: -copying the rotate.drv into the windows/system directory -editing the system.ini dispay.drv=rotate.drv was pnpdrvr.drv -restarting my system After this it says I have a display problem and sets the system.ini back to pnpdrvr.drv Has anyone installed this driver or can help me with this? From cph Fri Dec 17 14:25:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15351 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:25:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21792; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21692; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21676; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22022; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > > The floppy connector is really some IEEE spec printer > connector. The printer cables are wired a little differently Found it. IEEE 1284 type C mini-centronics. http://www.fapo.com/1284conn.htm -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Fri Dec 17 14:46:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15517 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:46:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23424; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23331; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23318; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations To: Scott Mueller Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:47:25 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/17/99 12:47:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Great post, Scott! Thanks for that; I'll not forget that soon! ssh From cph Fri Dec 17 19:59:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA17720 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:59:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12108; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12021; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12008; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from user-37ka174.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka174.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.4.228]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11514; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:54:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912180054.TAA11514@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "Scott Mueller" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:54:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199912171304_MC2-917C-8429@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations List-Unsubscribe: I don't doubt your analysis at all. I do doubt the sanity of IBM engineers building a system in such a manner. On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:18 -0500, Scott Mueller wrote: >I see there is some confusion on L2 cache limitations. I can set the record >straight. Most Pentium (Socket 4, 5, or 7) chipsets including the 430FX, >MX, VX or TX support caching only up to 64MB, which means you SHOULD NOT >run more than that amount of memory in any system with those chipsets. >Since all protected mode OS and drivers load from the top down, they would >load directly into non-cached memory, dramatically slowing down the system. > >The older 430LX chipset would support up to 192MB, and the 430NX and HX >would support up to 512K, but those were rarely used in mobile systems. >Most Pentium notebook systems like the 770 used the Intel Mobile Module >with the 430TX chipset. > >For more information on Intel Pentium chipset L2 cacheability limits see: >. From cph Fri Dec 17 22:04:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18304 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:04:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17082; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:59:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16967; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16954; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:59:04 -0500 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA21404 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:59:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 18 Dec 99 03:59:01 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 18 Dec 99 03:58:50 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.72) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 18 Dec 99 03:58:45 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:58:35 -0100 Message-Id: <199912171958.3541901.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "Scott Mueller" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:58:33 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199912171304_MC2-917C-8429@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:18 -0500, Scott Mueller wrote: Hi! >Most Pentium (Socket 4, 5, or 7) chipsets including the 430FX, >MX, VX or TX support caching only up to 64MB, which means you SHOULD NOT >run more than that amount of memory in any system with those chipsets. >Since all protected mode OS and drivers load from the top down, they would >load directly into non-cached memory, dramatically slowing down the system. You're right here, but I'd suggest to consider that if one really needs more than 64M (of course I do ;) even uncached memory is a lot faster than the HDD. So I'm quite happy with the 80M in my 760XD although I'm quite shure the upper half is uncached and my system of course loads "top down". -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys From cph Fri Dec 17 22:20:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18371 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:20:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17707; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:13:06 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17632; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:13:06 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id WAA21834 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13177; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:16:25 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-33.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.33]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA17166 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991217201747.008287e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:17:47 -0800 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations In-Reply-To: <199912180054.TAA11514@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <199912171304_MC2-917C-8429@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Intel. :) At 06:54 PM 12/17/1999 -0500, Allan wrote: >I don't doubt your analysis at all. I do doubt >the sanity of IBM engineers building a system >in such a manner. > >On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:04:18 -0500, Scott Mueller wrote: > >>I see there is some confusion on L2 cache limitations. I can set the record >>straight. Most Pentium (Socket 4, 5, or 7) chipsets including the 430FX, >>MX, VX or TX support caching only up to 64MB, which means you SHOULD NOT >>run more than that amount of memory in any system with those chipsets. >>Since all protected mode OS and drivers load from the top down, they would >>load directly into non-cached memory, dramatically slowing down the system. >> >>The older 430LX chipset would support up to 192MB, and the 430NX and HX >>would support up to 512K, but those were rarely used in mobile systems. >>Most Pentium notebook systems like the 770 used the Intel Mobile Module >>with the 430TX chipset. >> >>For more information on Intel Pentium chipset L2 cacheability limits see: >>. > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Dec 18 08:50:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA19752 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:50:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15865; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:45:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15751; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15710; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:45:00 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p28.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.121]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA17016 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:48:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912181348.FAA17016@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:44:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3COM Etherlink III and TP730 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone been able to successfully get a 3COM Etherlink III card to work in a TP730 running Win95 OSR2? I had trouble getting both my 3COM and a no-name brand to work, but I did get it to work under Windows for Workgroups (I took that off because I had the wrong language, non-english). Has anyone got networking accomplished? Thanks, Paul From cph Sat Dec 18 09:08:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19782 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:08:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16383; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:03:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16310; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16297; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:03:33 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p28.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.121]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA17238 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912181406.GAA17238@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:03:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: iescrow and ebay List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:28:33 -0800 (PST), Justin Liu wrote: >This is getting pretty far off track, but I am pretty sure there are >court rulings which basically hold that use of other delivery services >such as UPS, FedEx, Airborn Express, etc. constitutes a use of the >"mails" under US Federal mail fraud statutes. > >Now, can we take this whole discussion to a more appropriate forum? :) > Like Jane said earlier, I think this is a good conversation. I've never had the opportunity to deal with an escrow service before, but 3 of my 4 ThinkPads came off eBay, as well as a majority of my other computing equipment (otherwise it came from my local supplier). It is interesting hearing about these experiances, since I am thinking of a new machine within hopefully the next 6 months. Paul From cph Sat Dec 18 09:12:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19803 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:12:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16585; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:07:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16511; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16498; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:07:10 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p28.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.121]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA17285; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:10:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912181410.GAA17285@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mark Bell" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:06:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:17:47 -0800, Mark Bell wrote: >Intel. :) Sort of surprises me, you think they'd get together with Viking or Micron and get you to buy more memory... From cph Sat Dec 18 09:15:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19823 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:15:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16871; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:10:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16798; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16785; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:10:47 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p28.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.121]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA17331; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:14:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912181414.GAA17331@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Slip" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:10:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [760ED] Modem stops responding / PCMCIA heat... List-Unsubscribe: You might try the patch. I was thinking the patch might be a good idea. And yes, I understand about it getting hot - my 3COM Etherlink was the same way. Especially after charging the battery. I think IBM has a thermal rubber pad that's supposed to extract some of the heat, not like it really appears to work. For me, I'm using the magnesium alloy shell of a long gone notebook as a heatsink, and that gets quite hot, too. --Original Message Text--- From: Slip Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:12 -0500 Hi there, I'm running Win98 on my 760ED and am having trouble with the above situation. Whenever I suspend manually, or it enters auto suspend, the modem stops working after I resume. I get the message that the 'modem is not plugged in or is not responding...'. Any ideas to remedy this problem? I'm running it at 33.6, because I can't negotiate a handshake at 28.8. One other issue is heat in the PCMCIA card slot. I have a LiveWire 10/100 NIC(made by NewMedia) that gets *extremly* hot in either slot. If I hold the card in my hand after removing it, the card almost burns you! I have yet to get my digital thermometer out, but man, it's very hot! The card is a 16bit card(not cardbuss) and works perfectly-no problems. Should I worry about this heat issue? Is it the card, or just the position in the laptop itself? And is there any sollution? I have seen the thermal patch for Win95, but I don't think this applies to Win98SE... Thanks. -Jamie From cph Sat Dec 18 14:58:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20782 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:58:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27156; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:48:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27042; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27029; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:48:31 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-291.gate.net [199.227.131.100]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA160412 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <385BE51D.9F60E59A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:48:45 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: OFF/ON topic **Happy Holidays Guys 'n Dolls** Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OFF topic = when no one cares to respond.. 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Heres to (as they say round these here parts) All y'all.. at the dawning days of the next "AGE".. have a pleasant and fun holiday season.. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Sat Dec 18 15:32:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20913 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:32:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28433; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:26:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28330; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28317; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:26:10 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax37.vramp.net [198.138.8.100]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14698; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. 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Brad From cph Sat Dec 18 16:45:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21111 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:45:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00852; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00755; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00742; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23568 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:23 -0500 (EST) To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations In-Reply-To: <199912181410.GAA17285@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:17:47 -0800, Mark Bell wrote: > > >Intel. :) > > Sort of surprises me, you think they'd get together with Viking or Micron and get > you to buy more memory... Well, that's conspiracy theory #312. The chipset previous to the TX (which was the one that could only cache 64 MB) was the HX, and it could cache 512 MB provided you had the correct tag-ram chip installed. When Intel made the TX and discontinued the HX, the only motherboard chipset in their lineup which could cache more than 64 MB was the Pentium Pro chipset. So if you needed to run an app that needed more than 64 MB cached, you had to buy a Pentium Pro. Incidently, Intel was trying to push people towards the Pentium Pros at the time, and Pentium Pros happened to cost like 3x more than normal Pentiums. Coincidence...? At least now that AMD is a major player with the Athlon, it'll keep Intel honest. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Sat Dec 18 18:51:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21382 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:51:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04149; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:45:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04058; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04043; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:45:53 -0500 Received: from user-38lcjq3.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcjq3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.67]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04022 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:45:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912182345.SAA04022@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cacheability limitations List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, I set up a clone no-name mobo with an AMD 486 to 133 cpu, that supports a full Mb cache. It is still running daily. Had to plug in a bunch of tiny chips, and a tag chip as well. 1Mb L2 will really help OS/2, and even 'dose'95, to the extent that it can be helped. On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:39:23 -0500 (EST), kim@stormhaven.org wrote: > >At least now that AMD is a major player with the Athlon, it'll >keep Intel honest. From cph Sun Dec 19 02:37:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA22659 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:37:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16215; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:27:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15991; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15978; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41 -> vasquez.zip.com.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:26:54 -0500 Received: from zip.com.au (kyle70.zip.com.au [61.8.17.198]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA27201 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:26:39 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <385C88B2.69410C94@zip.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:26:42 +1100 From: Chris Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: zoran soft dvd re-install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hi, I have just re-imaged my thinkpad 770 after a corruption. The softDVD software was not on the image disk supplied with the machine. how can i get this software as the drive is useless without it! thanks c. From cph Sun Dec 19 02:52:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA22679 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:52:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16788; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:46:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16655; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16642; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:46:00 -0500 Received: from glen (1Cust125.tnt1.san-fernando.ca.da.uu.net [63.27.36.125]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id BAA16363517 Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:45:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <016d01bf49f5$0353c520$7d241b3f@glen> From: "Balzac" To: Subject: re: Portrait mode driver for [TP730T] Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:45:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: David; I think maybe you're changing the wrong display.drv= entry. You're only changing the one in the [boot] section, right? The one you want is farther down in the system .ini file, in the [boot description] section; original entry is display.drv=Western Digital. I ended up changing both - works fine. Make sure you rotate your digitizer too, or you'll be playing "chase the weasel" trying to use the stylus. Balz ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carlson" To: <> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: Portrait mode driver for [TP730T] > Thanks for the web page, I found the portrait mode driver for the TP730T. > > I followed his instructions for installing it by: > -copying the rotate.drv into the windows/system directory > -editing the system.ini dispay.drv=rotate.drv was pnpdrvr.drv > -restarting my system > > After this it says I have a display problem and sets the system.ini back to > pnpdrvr.drv > > Has anyone installed this driver or can help me with this? > From cph Sun Dec 19 04:49:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA22811 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:49:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21898; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:42:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21812; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21799; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:42:33 -0500 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05072 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:42:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from MYHOSTNAME ([10.66.15.33]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA65898 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199912190942.BAA65898@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 19 Dec 99 01:52:37 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpads off Ebay (was iescrow and ebay) List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:03:23 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:28:33 -0800 (PST), Justin Liu wrote: > >Like Jane said earlier, I think this is a good conversation. I've never had the >opportunity to deal with an escrow service before, but 3 of my 4 ThinkPads >came off eBay, as well as a majority of my other computing equipment (otherwise >it came from my local supplier). It is interesting hearing about these experiances, since I >am thinking of a new machine within hopefully the next 6 months. I got my TP 365XD off ebay. I will admit I was lucky to have someone who was a private owner just looking to upgrade. And it was shipped in about 5 boxes (layered. Packing, layer, packing, layer,etc). I think ebay is a wonderful place to sell and buy stuff if you keep track of what you're doing, what you're buying and not get caught up in just bidding. I have looked at other TP's on ebay and I have to say honestly I don't know if I'd buy one from someone with less than 10 total or 5 recent feedback ratings. My 0.02 worth. Sorry if it has gotten too far OT. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sun Dec 19 05:52:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA22896 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:52:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00622; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:38:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00525; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00512; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:38:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 2865 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1999 10:38:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 2833 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 1999 10:38:07 -0000 Received: from dialupf135.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.86.135) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 1999 10:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <385CB463.81A32B86@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:33:07 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Old Dock 1 and scsi References: <199912190942.BAA65898@whistler.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I picked up an old dock 1 off ebay recently. Jsut pulled a 1.2 gig scsi drive from a desktop and was wondering about the scsi in the dock 1. I don't evan see a regular scsi intenal connector?? From cph Sun Dec 19 15:51:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA01640 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:51:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02999; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:44:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02828; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02815; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:44:18 -0500 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.37.86]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05989 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006201bf4a62$077ce7e0$56258ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP600 memory for TP600X Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:45:45 -0800 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF4A1E.F7C01C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF4A1E.F7C01C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) works on the new = Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz?=20 I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a 128MB upgrade for it but would = like to be able to use it for the next generation Tp600X. 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Does anyone know if the 128MB for the = TP600 ( 66Mhz=20 ) works on the new Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz?
 
I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a = 128MB=20 upgrade for it but would like to be able to use it for the next = generation=20 Tp600X.
 
Thanks
 
Regards
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF4A1E.F7C01C20-- From cph Sun Dec 19 16:37:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01777 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:37:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04849; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04776; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04763; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:34 -0500 Received: from rchalk (1Cust135.tnt4.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.41.135]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23150; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:31:23 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Chris Scott" , Subject: RE: zoran soft dvd re-install Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <385C88B2.69410C94@zip.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: It should be on the "Companion CD", if you have that. If not, I can send you a copy on Floppies. e-mail me your arrdess I guess I could also make a ZIP file, and e-mail it to you... Richard -----Original Message----- From: Chris Scott [mailto:cnscott@zip.com.au] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 2:27 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: zoran soft dvd re-install hi, I have just re-imaged my thinkpad 770 after a corruption. The softDVD software was not on the image disk supplied with the machine. how can i get this software as the drive is useless without it! thanks c. From cph Sun Dec 19 18:58:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02207 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:58:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10611; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:52:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10535; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10522; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:52:39 -0500 Received: from ppro200 - 63.14.55.148 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:52:39 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: "'Thinkpad'" Subject: RE: TP600 memory for TP600X Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I asked the same question of this group about two weeks ago and got conflicting information. Accordingly, I did my own research. While I was looking only for 64MB, here's what I found: Because the 600X using a faster bus, older memory is not recommended. The new memory from IBM direct: IBM Thinkpad 64MB memory for 600X: 20L0254 - 206.56 at TechData IBM Thinkpad 128MB memory for 600X: 20L0255 - 409.84 at TechData Kingston equivalent: KTM-TP390X/64 64MB Module $186.00 Solutions4Sure - 144.99+7.80 PCUpgrades.com - 149.00 TechData - 137.80 KTM-TP390X/128 128MB Module $472.00 PCUpgrades.com - 377.00 TechData - 137.80 I hope this helps. If you find better prices, please let me know. Rich Bilancia rab@msn.com >-----Original Message----- >From: James [mailto:orialv21@mindspring.com] >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 1:46 PM >To: Thinkpad >Subject: TP600 memory for TP600X > >Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) >works on the new Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? > >I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a 128MB upgrade >for it but would like to be able to use it for the >next generation Tp600X. > >Thanks > >Regards >James From cph Sun Dec 19 20:37:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA02531 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:37:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14692; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:30:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14486; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14470; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:30:16 -0500 Received: from user-38lc4fe.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lc4fe.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.17.238]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA32151; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:30:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912200130.UAA32151@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "Donald Mak" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:28:36 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <002501becbcf$3bd77f80$6ba96520@thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP & Dial up Email List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone (with any model TP) use either MS Outlook, or its forerunner MS Exchange client) to RAS into a central Exchange server? If so, just how powerful a machine is needed to keep the little pieces of refuse eh applications >from locking the unit each time a message arrives? My 760CD p120, 64Mb RAM can barely struggle by. Ditto for my 466 (?) cpu desktop at work. And now double ditto for my 760XL with a ;p166 and 104 Mb. AS we talk, the XL's system monitor shows the cpu to be at 100%. Truly pitiful. But as stated above, more better CPU does not help. It goes into a coma, too. What mode. TP is need to run this junk? Does Cray make a protable? From cph Sun Dec 19 23:03:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA02860 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:03:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19851; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:56:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19737; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19724; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (12.79.29.109 -> 109.morristown-18-19rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:55:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf4a9e$22acc760$6d1d4f0c@cijeczcig1x68u> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Allan " Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <199912200130.UAA32151@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: TP & Dial up Email Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:55:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Allan, What speed are you connecting at? I find the connection speed more an issue than processor..(then again I use a 770 with a PII 266) I use GRAS but more to connect to Oracle Applications and run some SQL then for mail.. which can be quite slow and painful if the connection is lower than 33k. Overall, a PII should be sufficient as long as the modem is connecting at an acceptable speed... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan To: Donald Mak Cc: Thinkpad Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: TP & Dial up Email > Does anyone (with any model TP) use either > MS Outlook, or its forerunner MS Exchange > client) to RAS into a central Exchange server? > > If so, just how powerful a machine is needed to > keep the little pieces of refuse eh applications > from locking the unit each time a message > arrives? > > My 760CD p120, 64Mb RAM can barely struggle by. > Ditto for my 466 (?) cpu desktop at work. And now > double ditto for my 760XL with a ;p166 and 104 Mb. > > AS we talk, the XL's system monitor shows the cpu to > be at 100%. Truly pitiful. But as stated above, more > better CPU does not help. It goes into a coma, too. > > What mode. TP is need to run this junk? > > Does Cray make a protable? > > From cph Mon Dec 20 00:23:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03063 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:23:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22590; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22495; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22482; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:05 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-389.gate.net [199.227.131.198]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06862; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <385DBC14.DB25500F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:18:12 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP600 memory for TP600X References: <006201bf4a62$077ce7e0$56258ad1@TP600> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2F39C8F614BFB3C4C5AB8DFA" List-Unsubscribe: --------------2F39C8F614BFB3C4C5AB8DFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is NO, but it'll make a good question to ask on monday.. just to be sure my 'guess' is correct... James wrote: > Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) works on the new > Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? I have a Tp600 and would like > to buy a 128MB upgrade for it but would like to be able to use it for > the next generation Tp600X. Thanks RegardsJames -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net --------------2F39C8F614BFB3C4C5AB8DFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is NO, but it'll make a good question to ask on monday..
just to be sure my 'guess' is correct...

James wrote:

Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) works on the new Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a 128MB upgrade for it but would like to be able to use it for the next generation Tp600X. Thanks RegardsJames

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
  --------------2F39C8F614BFB3C4C5AB8DFA-- From cph Mon Dec 20 00:27:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03083 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:27:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22810; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22703; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22690; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:22 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-389.gate.net [199.227.131.198]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06730; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:20:47 -0500 Message-ID: <385DBCE3.F4C4A88E@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:21:39 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP600 memory for TP600X References: <006201bf4a62$077ce7e0$56258ad1@TP600> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D42DA052125988011B66DFF5" List-Unsubscribe: --------------D42DA052125988011B66DFF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BUT, thinking about this now, i just sold a DELL Inspirion 7500 to a fellow in italy.. he ordered two 128meg parts.. kingston was the only supplier i was told (besides DELL) so i sent him two 128meg parts.. he got them and, guess what..!? no work..! ingram had sent two 128meg parts for the DELL 7400 machine.. my customer, in frustration, stuck a goldenram 128meg part from his TP-570 into the DELL, and he reports it works fine..! just FWIW..! :-) i don't reccommend trying this at home.. James wrote: > Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) works on the new > Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? I have a Tp600 and would like > to buy a 128MB upgrade for it but would like to be able to use it for > the next generation Tp600X. Thanks RegardsJames -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net --------------D42DA052125988011B66DFF5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BUT, thinking about this now, i just sold a DELL Inspirion 7500 to a fellow in italy..
he ordered two 128meg parts..
kingston was the only supplier i was told (besides DELL) so i sent him two 128meg parts..
he got them and, guess what..!? no work..! ingram had sent two 128meg parts for the DELL 7400 machine..
my customer, in frustration, stuck a goldenram 128meg part from his TP-570 into the DELL, and he reports it works fine..!

just FWIW..!  :-)

i don't reccommend trying this at home..

James wrote:

Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) works on the new Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a 128MB upgrade for it but would like to be able to use it for the next generation Tp600X. Thanks RegardsJames

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
  --------------D42DA052125988011B66DFF5-- From cph Mon Dec 20 00:39:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03115 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:39:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23445; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23334; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23321; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:31 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-389.gate.net [199.227.131.198]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA78886; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: <385DBFB9.B927B7FC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:33:46 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: Donald Mak , Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP & Dial up Email References: <199912200130.UAA32151@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i don't THINK cray makes a PROTABLE, but maybe they make a portable, and if they did, the AC adapter would be more like a brick s..thouse that a mere brick.. :-) "PROTABLE"!! :-) okok, i do the same thing, even so far as to spell a word inside out..! what also interests me is the 64meg in your 760CD.. most people with that memory configueration have problems with the IBM supplied video driver in place.. Allan wrote: > Does anyone (with any model TP) use either > MS Outlook, or its forerunner MS Exchange > client) to RAS into a central Exchange server? > > If so, just how powerful a machine is needed to > keep the little pieces of refuse eh applications > from locking the unit each time a message > arrives? > > My 760CD p120, 64Mb RAM can barely struggle by. > Ditto for my 466 (?) cpu desktop at work. And now > double ditto for my 760XL with a ;p166 and 104 Mb. > > AS we talk, the XL's system monitor shows the cpu to > be at 100%. Truly pitiful. But as stated above, more > better CPU does not help. It goes into a coma, too. > > What mode. TP is need to run this junk? > > Does Cray make a protable? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Mon Dec 20 02:13:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03310 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:13:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26783; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:09:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26663; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26649; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:09:39 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:09:39 -0500 Subject: subscribe/unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:08:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 12/20/99 12:08:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA03311 My e-mail address has changed, how do I subscribe/unsubscibe? Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Mon Dec 20 04:32:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA03622 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:32:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03697; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:27:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03597; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03583; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:27:01 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07408; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:26:41 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18394; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:26:41 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 9:26:37 +0000 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , Patrick West Subject: Re: Old Dock 1 and scsi MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA03623 I have a feeling that the SCSI lead, like the IDE lead, is an IBM special, sorry. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Old Dock 1 and scsi Author: MIME:Patrick West at INTERNET Date: 12/19/99 10:42 AM Folks, I picked up an old dock 1 off ebay recently. Jsut pulled a 1.2 gig scsi drive from a desktop and was wondering about the scsi in the dock 1. I don't evan see a regular scsi intenal connector?? ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Mon Dec 20 12:19:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05355 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:19:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14686; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:16:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14587; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14570; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:16:42 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05869; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:15:45 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912201715.LAA05869@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? To: kim@stormhaven.org Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:15:45 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "kim@stormhaven.org" at Dec 17, 99 12:47:06 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hi John, Thanks for the info, I will definetly look into this. Happy Holidays, Esmail kim@stormhaven.org writes: > > The floppy connector is really some IEEE spec printer connector. > The printer cables are wired a little differently though, so may or > may not work as an extension. Still, if you can find a printer <...> ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Mon Dec 20 12:20:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05365 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:20:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14670; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13911; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13896; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:07 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05834; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:10:41 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912201710.LAA05834@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 floppy cable extension? To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:10:41 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4880$d1879280$8a3e6420@math.hawaii.edu> from "David Ross" at Dec 17, 99 01:21:05 am Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hiya David, Sorry for the delay in reply, I just had my proposal meeting and I was awfully short on time and sleep :-) > Blue Star has it listed for $40. They also have none in stock...you might try > some of the other 'usual suspect' IBM aftermarket parts places. Yes, I'll check those out. It's really not a necessity to have the longer cable, so if I see a great price or know someone who has an extra and wants to get rid of it, I might consider it. > Comparing to your CD drive price - which was a fluke - is not really fair. Nice fluke though. > Proprietary cables for virtually anything start at around $20, and drive > cables have to be pretty good for a clean signal, especially extra-long > cables. Good point. Happy Holidays to you and everyone on the list. Cheers, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Mon Dec 20 12:50:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05555 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:50:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17288; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17199; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17186; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.18 -> mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:39 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.6.126]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991220174736.YOPH10418@compaq>; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:47:36 +0000 Message-ID: <385E95CC.29D7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:47:08 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , Patrick West Subject: Re: Old Dock 1 and scsi References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It is a special cable, and out of production. I do have an exeternal SCSI cable for the Dock1, if anyone wants it, $20.00 plus shipping. Adam Quantrill wrote: > > I have a feeling that the SCSI lead, like the IDE lead, is an IBM special, sorry. > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Old Dock 1 and scsi > Author: MIME:Patrick West at INTERNET > Date: 12/19/99 10:42 AM > > Folks, > > I picked up an old dock 1 off ebay recently. Jsut pulled a 1.2 gig scsi drive from a desktop and was wondering about the scsi in the dock 1. I don't evan see a regular scsi intenal connector?? > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > Harston http://www.generics.co.uk > Cambridge CB2 5NH > United Kingdom > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Mon Dec 20 21:14:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08553 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:14:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17370; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:12:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17242; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17070; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:08:13 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-88.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.88]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA07006 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:06:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991220211000.013e5270@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:10:00 -0800 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: TP600 memory for TP600X In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: So, basically, the laptops are experiencing the 66mhz vs. 100mhz dilemma? The design and form factor of the memory is identical, but the memory chips are rated for 66mhz operations but may work in the 100mhz bus structure but is not guaranteed? Inversely, the 100mhz (400mhz + models) rated SO-DIMMs will work fine in 66mhz based (up to 366mhz) models? I am curious to see if anyone will try this with their older 600's memory (or even 770 based memory).... At 04:52 PM 12/19/1999 -0700, Richard A. Bilancia wrote: >I asked the same question of this group about two weeks ago and got >conflicting information. Accordingly, I did my own research. While I was >looking only for 64MB, here's what I found: > >Because the 600X using a faster bus, older memory is not recommended. The >new memory from IBM direct: >IBM Thinkpad 64MB memory for 600X: > 20L0254 - 206.56 at TechData >IBM Thinkpad 128MB memory for 600X: > 20L0255 - 409.84 at TechData > >Kingston equivalent: > KTM-TP390X/64 64MB Module $186.00 > Solutions4Sure - 144.99+7.80 > PCUpgrades.com - 149.00 > TechData - 137.80 > KTM-TP390X/128 128MB Module $472.00 > PCUpgrades.com - 377.00 > TechData - 137.80 > >I hope this helps. If you find better prices, please let me know. > >Rich Bilancia >rab@msn.com > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: James [mailto:orialv21@mindspring.com] >>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 1:46 PM >>To: Thinkpad >>Subject: TP600 memory for TP600X >> >>Does anyone know if the 128MB for the TP600 ( 66Mhz ) >>works on the new Tp600X which has a bus speed of 100Mhz? >> >>I have a Tp600 and would like to buy a 128MB upgrade >>for it but would like to be able to use it for the >>next generation Tp600X. >> >>Thanks >> >>Regards >>James > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Dec 20 22:50:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08953 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:50:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20913; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:48:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20824; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20811; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:48:05 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.54.151]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991221034802.NEZO1891@compaq> for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 03:48:02 +0000 Message-ID: <385F2282.225B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:47:30 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: I used the wrong recovery CD! References: <3.0.1.32.19991214200609.00f0b100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I used a recovery from a 770 (original model) on a 760XL, booting with the recovery floppy disk. It worked! Had to do a full partition and format (had W98 on the drive before) When it reboots and says "starting W95", hold the F8 key and go into safe mode. Delete all 770 specific devices (video, audio, PCMCIA, IR, UltraBay swap driver, IDE controller, all the system stuff), reboot, let it find everything, do a few re-boots, and load the proper video and audio drivers. VOILA! EUREKA! It works!!! I think the DOS utilities are the same, just need to change the W95 ThinkPad utils, and all done! Didn't really have any reason to do this, just wanted to see if it could be done! From cph Mon Dec 20 23:40:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09125 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:40:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22670; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22592; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22579; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (128.49.4.90 -> pescado.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:10 -0500 Received: from derektp ([24.30.141.166]) by pescado.nosc.mil (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FN2Q2T00.E70 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:35:17 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:34:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <385F2282.225B@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I just installed Windows 2000 Professional on my Thinkpad 600E. It detected all of my hardware, and didn't need any help. I installed the beta Thinkpad utilities and that works just fine, as far as I can tell. The only thing that isn't quite right the warm swapping of the Ultra bay. I always get a warning about not stopping the device before I pulled it out (during standby). But the new device always works. Also, suspend and resume work like magic! With 98 resume took 30sec - 1 min. With 2000 it's literally 5 second, and always works. Plus ACPI power management kicked in like magic. So I'm VERY happy with 2000. The only other minor non functional problem is that my Xircom ethernet card management software can't see the card. But the card operates just fine. I grabbed the latest updates from the Xircom web site. The drivers are 2000 certified. But I guess they still have some bugs to work out. Oh, is there any DVD players for 2000 that work with the Ultrabay DVD? Derek Seaman From cph Tue Dec 21 06:53:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA10246 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:52:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15229; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:47:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15111; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15098; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:47:29 -0500 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18559; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:44:14 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08228; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:44:10 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:44:09 +0000 To: , Mark Bell Subject: 4.5 gigs in a 755CX, but IDE in dock 1 problem MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA10247 I've just got the 755CX working with a Travelstar 4.5 gig drive. It didn't work at first (and also the drive made a strange rattle which sounded ominous, kind of like a loose screw inside), but I bit the bullet and bent back the drive select and cable select pins on the drive connector, and voila! it came up. Interestingly it also works in the 755C, but I don't know if it'll see all the cylinders in that one. I'm now creating partitions for Linux, WFW and W95, and the next stage is to transfer each of my old disk's partitions as images onto the new ones. One strange thing is that my 755CX doesn't see the IDE disk in my docking station, but my 755C does. The CX is on BIOS revision 1.41, so I could update it, but on the other hand there aren't any fixes listed between those two revisions that would explain this problem. I'm using the IDE disk to transfer the partition images around between the old disks and the new one. - Adan ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Tue Dec 21 09:07:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10531 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:07:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20460; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:01:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20331; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20317; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:01:54 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-160.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.160]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21498 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:48:30 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912211348.PAA21498@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:03:41 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Win98 to blame for slow resume? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 at 08:34 PM you, "Derek Seaman" , said: >Also, suspend and resume work like magic! With 98 resume took 30sec - 1 >min. With 2000 it's literally 5 second, and always works. Plus ACPI power >management kicked in like magic. I've been wondering why my wife's TP560 (P120, Win98) takes forever to resume after suspend) while my own TP560X (P233, OS/2 & Win95) resumes in just a few seconds. So far I thought it had to do with the slower CPU, but is it in fact a flaw inherent in Win98? Any fixes, short of installing yet another version of windoze? Thanks, Dominique From cph Tue Dec 21 09:33:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10636 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21894; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21793; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21780; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:36 -0500 Received: from zaphod ([24.112.41.175]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991221142528.NQCZ7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@zaphod> for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:25:28 -0800 From: Thomas Koschate Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:27:33 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? Message-ID: <6CAF35C1356496F10525684E004F4278.0000000000000000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On 99-12-21 09:03:41, Dominique Pivard wrote: >I've been wondering why my wife's TP560 (P120, Win98) takes forever to >resume after suspend) while my own TP560X (P233, OS/2 & Win95) resumes in >just a few seconds. So far I thought it had to do with the slower CPU, but >is it in fact a flaw inherent in Win98? Any fixes, short of installing yet >another version of windoze? Other things to look at: 1. Fragmentation of the hibernation file 2. Differences in the amount of RAM in each machine From cph Tue Dec 21 09:38:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10663 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:38:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22298; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22217; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22187; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:22 -0500 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04135; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:17 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <385F8FAD.C1D1A1F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:17 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? References: <199912211348.PAA21498@smtp.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In my experience, Win98 is horribly slow to resume from suspend. On my 600E, Linux and Windows 2000 resume in under 5s, whereas Win98 takes 20-40s. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Dec 21 09:38:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10667 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:38:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22412; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22338; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22325; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:33:49 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-160.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.160]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21777 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:20:25 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912211420.QAA21777@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:35:37 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <6CAF35C1356496F10525684E004F4278.0000000000000000> Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 at 09:27 AM you, Thomas Koschate, said: >Other things to look at: Thanks for the suggestions. >1. Fragmentation of the hibernation file If it's fragmented (how do I find out?), should I simply delete the file and have it recreated? But is the content of RAM written to the hibernation file when doing a simple suspend? >2. Differences in the amount of RAM in each machine 40MB in slow resume machine (TP560/120), 96MB in fast resume machine (TP560X). Dominique From cph Tue Dec 21 09:44:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10701 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:44:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22919; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:39:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22846; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22833; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:39:43 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-160.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.160]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21827 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:26:19 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912211426.QAA21827@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:41:32 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <385F8FAD.C1D1A1F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 at 09:33 AM you, I Lee Hetherington , said: >In my experience, Win98 is horribly slow to resume from suspend. On my >600E, Linux and Windows 2000 resume in under 5s, whereas Win98 takes >20-40s. Well, then it's perhaps shrewd marketing from Mickey$oft: had to bring in a few improvements in Win98 to provide an incentive to upgrade from Win95, but at the same time introduce a few annoying drawbacks (sorry, new "features") so we don't forget to buy Win2000. I guess this tells what I think of the company ;-) From cph Tue Dec 21 09:57:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10767 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:57:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23601; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23520; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23507; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:28 -0500 Received: from 216-164-226-93.s347.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.226.93] helo=richard) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120QaP-0004GF-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991221093812.012a9f08@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:09 -0500 To: From: richard Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <385F2282.225B@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 minutes). Hibernate is enabled. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone suggest an easy to find benchmark program? From cph Tue Dec 21 09:58:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10771 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:58:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23753; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23675; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23661; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:04 -0500 Received: from zaphod ([24.112.41.175]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991221144656.NURW7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@zaphod> for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:46:56 -0800 From: Thomas Koschate Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:49:01 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On 99-12-21 09:35:37, Dominique Pivard wrote: >>1. Fragmentation of the hibernation file > >If it's fragmented (how do I find out?), should I simply delete the file >and have it recreated? An interesting question. I'm not sure about the 560. I recall that some TPs required a separate partition to hold the hibernation file. In such a case, you couldn't do anything anyway. I would expect that normal defragmenting would also take care of the hibernation file, but you might need to remove System/Hidden/Read Only attributes to make it moveable. >But is the content of RAM written to the hibernation file when doing a >simple suspend? Not normally, however, there is a "safe suspend" option which will result in the hibernation file being written when going into suspend mode. >>2. Differences in the amount of RAM in each machine > >40MB in slow resume machine (TP560/120), 96MB in fast resume machine >(TP560X). Another theory shot down! I can't offer any more advice - I use NT4 myself, with side trips into Linux (but I really, really miss OS/2!). From cph Tue Dec 21 10:00:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10782 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:00:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24077; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:51:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23978; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23960; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49 -> scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:51:09 -0500 Received: from objectmentor.com ([24.217.7.0]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20579; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:51:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <385F93C8.5FEAB2B6@objectmentor.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:50:48 -0600 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? References: <199912211426.QAA21827@smtp.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If I remember correctly (there was a thread about this on a Linux mailing list), Win98 is designed to reload all of its drivers upon resume. This is what takes all the extra time. bab Dominique Pivard wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 at 09:33 AM you, I Lee Hetherington > , said: > > >In my experience, Win98 is horribly slow to resume from suspend. On my > >600E, Linux and Windows 2000 resume in under 5s, whereas Win98 takes > >20-40s. > > Well, then it's perhaps shrewd marketing from Mickey$oft: had to bring in > a few improvements in Win98 to provide an incentive to upgrade from Win95, > but at the same time introduce a few annoying drawbacks (sorry, new > "features") so we don't forget to buy Win2000. > > I guess this tells what I think of the company ;-) -- Brian Button bbutton@objectmentor.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Unit #6 of the Craftite Conspiracy (TINCC) From cph Tue Dec 21 11:25:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11248 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:25:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00008; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29872; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29859; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (128.49.4.90 -> pescado.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:04 -0500 Received: from derektp ([128.49.190.155]) by pescado.nosc.mil (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FN3MIZ00.DDM; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:16:11 -0800 From: "Derek Seaman" To: "richard" Cc: Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:15:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.19991221093812.012a9f08@pop.rcn.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Last night I put my 600E into suspend mode. After 10 minutes or so in suspend, it half woke up, and went into hibernation. I thought that was way cool! -----Original Message----- From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:48 AM To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 minutes). Hibernate is enabled. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone suggest an easy to find benchmark program? From cph Tue Dec 21 11:36:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11285 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:36:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00919; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:31:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00841; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00820; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:31:00 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-177.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.177]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22219 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:17:35 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912211617.SAA22219@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:32:39 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <385F93C8.5FEAB2B6@objectmentor.com> Subject: Re: Win98 to blame for slow resume? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: And of course there's no option to override this default behaviour? What about 98lite, which was mentioned some time ago on this list, would it help? Thanks, Dominique On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 at 08:50 AM you, Brian Button , said: >If I remember correctly (there was a thread about this on a Linux mailing >list), Win98 is designed to reload all of its drivers upon resume. This >is what takes all the extra time. From cph Tue Dec 21 13:07:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11791 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07509; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07333; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigred.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07305; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigred.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:28 -0500 Received: by BIGRED with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:05:04 -0600 Message-ID: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB80959E2@BIGRED> From: Greg Langham To: Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:05:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. Greg -----Original Message----- From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:48 AM To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 minutes). Hibernate is enabled. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone suggest an easy to find benchmark program? From cph Tue Dec 21 13:11:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11817 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:11:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07798; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07677; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07667; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37 -> imo-d05.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:36 -0500 Received: from Rodchild18@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.37cd48ab (4328) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.37cd48ab.25911bdd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:25 EST Subject: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy, I sent my Thinkpad 770ed(bought last year new on Dec 24th) into IBM. It had not been working at all, and the battery would not charge either. I also asked about the peeling case, and they told me it would cost me 300 somewhat bucks to get fixed. Well it's now about a week since I got my IBM back, and it has stopped working. When I sent it in they replaced the battery thats all they told me was wrong. When I try to boot it up, the little LCD panel flashes, then you can hear the fan go on loudly, then it switches to softer, and it doesn't turn on. Has anyone else had this problem? Also I noticed that my headphone jack is demolished. I am not sure if that happened at IBM, or my house, or in shipping, but after I got the unit back, I went to plug in some headphones, and plastic pieces fell out. My ac-adapter has also been freaking out lately, if I move the laptop a little while plugged in, it beeped at me, and switched to battery. Can anyone tell me if any of this is covered by warrenty? Thanks John From cph Tue Dec 21 13:34:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11944 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:34:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09484; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:30:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09270; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09257; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:30:25 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA20125; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:30:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I just installed Windows 2000 Professional on my Thinkpad 600E. It detected > all of my hardware, and didn't need any help. I installed the beta Thinkpad > utilities and that works just fine, as far as I can tell. Be sure to turn off the ThinkPad Configuration tray icon (right click it and select Disable Tray Icon). It eats up kernel handles. You can see this happening if you run Task Manager and either (1) go to the Performance page and watch the handle count, or (2) go to the Processes page and turn on Handle Count in the View/Select Columns dialog. Just run the ThinkPad Configuration program from the Start menu when you need it. Don't leave it open longer than you need it either; it also eats kernel handles. They do get freed up when you exit the program. > The only thing that isn't quite right the warm swapping of the Ultra bay. I > always get a warning about not stopping the device before I pulled it out > (during standby). But the new device always works. The theory is you're supposed to use the Unplug or Eject Hardware tray icon to stop the device first. (Left click the icon and you'll get a menu of devices it can stop.) But it doesn't work very well. I've been able to stop hard drives using this icon--but if the hard drive has a password, the system hangs when you try to resume from standby. It doesn't let me stop CD-ROM drives at all, even though there is a menu item for it. -Mike From cph Tue Dec 21 13:37:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11963 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:37:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09883; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:33:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09691; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09677; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:33:42 -0500 Received: from 216-164-226-93.s347.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.226.93] helo=richard) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120U5Z-00073u-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:32:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991221133054.012a80f0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:32:42 -0500 To: Greg Langham From: richard Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB80959E2@BIGRED> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:05 PM 12/21/1999 -0600, Greg Langham wrote: >I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new >version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of >speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect >regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past >two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily >work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. I haven't had stability problems with win98. One slowness I perceive in w2k is screen redraws. I'm using w2k's neomagic driver, rather than anything from IBM. I'm hesitant to rely on subjective judgments of speed. From cph Tue Dec 21 14:19:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12196 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:19:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13183; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12957; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12943; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (skl2@localhost); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/MsState-Ra/evision: 1.15 $) with ESMTP; id NAA03953; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:13:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:13:55 -0600 (CST) From: See K Lam To: Greg Langham cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 In-Reply-To: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB80959E2@BIGRED> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i've w2k on my tp560e(p166mmx,80mb ram). it's not slower......in fact it's faster on running all my applications maybe due to its better process and memory management. yeap.... suspend and hibernater is 2-3 times faster than win98. originally, it has 2 sets of suspend and hibernate.... one from w2k itself and one from ibm. however, i lost the latter one..... without any clue....now FN-F12 doesn't hibernate and FN-F4 is not executing redisafe, but w2k suspend to ram. i've to go START-> SHUT DOWN and then select suspend or hibernate. i've the latest bios. overall, i'm very satisfied with w2k....at least better than win95/98. hopefully, microsoft will do even better in the final release. On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Greg Langham wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new > version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of > speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect > regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past > two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily > work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:48 AM > To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 > > > I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with > hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, > nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. > > Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest > version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. > > One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the > lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but > it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on > batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 > minutes). Hibernate is enabled. > > Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, > performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone > suggest an easy to find benchmark program? > > From cph Tue Dec 21 14:23:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12215 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:23:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13770; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:19:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13463; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13448; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:19:49 -0500 Received: from brianbnt5 (brianb-nt5.internal [172.31.5.89]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA23795; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:17:28 -0500 From: "Brian Bender" To: , "'Thinkpads list'" Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002701bf4be8$1bed84f0$59051fac@brianbnt5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Derek, Are you clicking on the little "Unplug or Eject Hardware" PCMCIA icon in the systray and selecting "Stop Toshiba CD-ROM...."? It will then suspend for you, and you can swap the ultrabay device. Works fine on my NT5-RC3 TP600... - Brian Bender > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > The only thing that isn't quite right the warm swapping of > the Ultra bay. I > always get a warning about not stopping the device before I > pulled it out > (during standby). But the new device always works. From cph Tue Dec 21 14:30:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12281 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:30:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14609; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:27:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14379; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14355; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (128.49.4.90 -> pescado.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:27:11 -0500 Received: from derektp ([128.49.190.155]) by pescado.nosc.mil (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FN3V8H00.9K6 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:24:17 -0800 From: "Derek Seaman" To: "'Thinkpads list'" Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:23:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002701bf4be8$1bed84f0$59051fac@brianbnt5> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I did notice that the Fn-F21 to hibernate no longer works. And the Fn-F4 to suspend uses the Win2k suspend, not the IBM Redisafe suspend. I really don't care about the Redisafe, but I would like the hibernate button to work. (I know a solution is to pick hibernate from the shutdown menu.) Derek From cph Tue Dec 21 14:31:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12286 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:31:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14764; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14467; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14454; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (165.166.0.27 -> smtp02.infoave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:28:06 -0500 Received: from dial-19.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net ("port 1029"@[207.144.129.161]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JJRLUAQCL28ZF1Y2@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:23:53 EST Received: by dial-19.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF4BBE.F76C42C0@dial-19.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net>; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:23:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:08:32 -0500 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: TP & Dial up Email To: Donald Mak Cc: Thinkpad Message-id: <01BF4BBE.F76C42C0@dial-19.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA12287 I use exchange for my e-mail client on a tp750 (486 33 mhz) and it does fine. I don't guess I am logging in to an Exchange Server though. I also use it on my 5x86/133 desktop. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: Allan[SMTP:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 3:28 PM To: Donald Mak Cc: Thinkpad Subject: TP & Dial up Email Does anyone (with any model TP) use either MS Outlook, or its forerunner MS Exchange client) to RAS into a central Exchange server? If so, just how powerful a machine is needed to keep the little pieces of refuse eh applications >from locking the unit each time a message arrives? My 760CD p120, 64Mb RAM can barely struggle by. Ditto for my 466 (?) cpu desktop at work. And now double ditto for my 760XL with a ;p166 and 104 Mb. AS we talk, the XL's system monitor shows the cpu to be at 100%. Truly pitiful. But as stated above, more better CPU does not help. It goes into a coma, too. What mode. TP is need to run this junk? Does Cray make a protable? From cph Tue Dec 21 14:52:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12451 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16716; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16536; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16523; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:48:19 -0500 Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 To: Greg Langham Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:56:08 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/21/99 12:56:21 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have found w2k to be the first MS operating system that I actually have some faith in not crashing and needing a reboot periodically. Unlike you, I routinely crash NT *and* 98, but so far, after about a month of running RC3, I have not had a hard stop of the OS. I did have a problem yesterday when I tested LANDesk (don't do it on w2k! It won't work!), but even that I was able to recover from after some time of digging out the files that LANDesk had installed (without an uninstall program, BTW). Anyway, I remain reasonably pleased with Windows 2000. And that's saying something coming from the long-time Unix/Linux person that I am. ssh Greg Langham cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 12/21/1999 11:05 AM I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. Greg -----Original Message----- From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:48 AM To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 minutes). Hibernate is enabled. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone suggest an easy to find benchmark program? From cph Tue Dec 21 14:54:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12474 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:54:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17102; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16830; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16808; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:28 -0500 Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E To: "Michael Geary" Cc: , X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:58:27 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/21/99 12:58:30 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I was able to stop and swap my CD-ROM for a ZIP drive (and back) using the tray icon (600E with RC3 build 2183). I haven't tried it for a hard drive. ssh "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E 12/21/1999 11:30 AM > I just installed Windows 2000 Professional on my Thinkpad 600E. It detected > all of my hardware, and didn't need any help. I installed the beta Thinkpad > utilities and that works just fine, as far as I can tell. Be sure to turn off the ThinkPad Configuration tray icon (right click it and select Disable Tray Icon). It eats up kernel handles. You can see this happening if you run Task Manager and either (1) go to the Performance page and watch the handle count, or (2) go to the Processes page and turn on Handle Count in the View/Select Columns dialog. Just run the ThinkPad Configuration program from the Start menu when you need it. Don't leave it open longer than you need it either; it also eats kernel handles. They do get freed up when you exit the program. > The only thing that isn't quite right the warm swapping of the Ultra bay. I > always get a warning about not stopping the device before I pulled it out > (during standby). But the new device always works. The theory is you're supposed to use the Unplug or Eject Hardware tray icon to stop the device first. (Left click the icon and you'll get a menu of devices it can stop.) But it doesn't work very well. I've been able to stop hard drives using this icon--but if the hard drive has a password, the system hangs when you try to resume from standby. It doesn't let me stop CD-ROM drives at all, even though there is a menu item for it. -Mike From cph Tue Dec 21 14:56:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12496 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:56:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17604; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17318; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17305; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:45 -0500 Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 To: See K Lam Cc: Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:00:32 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/21/99 01:00:47 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: There is an option under power management that tells the system what to do when you use the hardware suspend and hibernate features. Check the advanced tab under power properties. ssh See K Lam ate.Edu> cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 12/21/1999 12:13 PM i've w2k on my tp560e(p166mmx,80mb ram). it's not slower......in fact it's faster on running all my applications maybe due to its better process and memory management. yeap.... suspend and hibernater is 2-3 times faster than win98. originally, it has 2 sets of suspend and hibernate.... one from w2k itself and one from ibm. however, i lost the latter one..... without any clue....now FN-F12 doesn't hibernate and FN-F4 is not executing redisafe, but w2k suspend to ram. i've to go START-> SHUT DOWN and then select suspend or hibernate. i've the latest bios. overall, i'm very satisfied with w2k....at least better than win95/98. hopefully, microsoft will do even better in the final release. On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Greg Langham wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new > version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of > speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect > regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past > two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily > work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:48 AM > To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 > > > I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with > hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, > nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. > > Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest > version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. > > One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the > lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but > it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on > batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 > minutes). Hibernate is enabled. > > Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, > performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone > suggest an easy to find benchmark program? > > From cph Tue Dec 21 15:04:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12539 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:04:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18540; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:00:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18395; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18374; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:00:32 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA29824; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: , Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I was able to stop and swap my CD-ROM for a ZIP drive (and back) using the > tray icon (600E with RC3 build 2183). I haven't tried it for a hard drive. Interesting! I'm running RC3 on a TP600 (not E) and every time I try to stop the CD-ROM, it puts up this message box: Problem Ejecting TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1702BC The device 'TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1702BC' cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device again later. RC1 and RC2 did the same thing. -Mike From cph Tue Dec 21 15:07:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12570 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:07:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18883; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18719; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18706; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:20 -0500 Received: from 216-164-226-32.s286.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.226.32] helo=richard) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120VV8-0005cV-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991221150211.012e7670@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:03:12 -0500 To: "Derek Seaman" From: richard Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Cc: "'Thinkpads list'" In-Reply-To: References: <002701bf4be8$1bed84f0$59051fac@brianbnt5> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:23 AM 12/21/1999 -0800, Derek Seaman wrote: >I did notice that the Fn-F21 to hibernate no longer works. And the Fn-F4 to >suspend uses the Win2k suspend, not the IBM Redisafe suspend. I really don't >care about the Redisafe, but I would like the hibernate button to work. (I >know a solution is to pick hibernate from the shutdown menu.) Fn-F12 suspends on my 570 btw, are you using the final version of w2k (2195)? From cph Tue Dec 21 15:14:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12617 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:14:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19755; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19442; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail16.bigmailbox.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19417; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail16.bigmailbox.com (208.232.5.157 -> hipmail16.gohip.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:46 -0500 Received: by mail16.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28189; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:10:44 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:10:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199912212010.MAA28189@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: BigMailBox.com @ http://www.bigmailbox.com X-Originating-Ip: [204.60.10.175] From: "Kevin Konikowski" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP510 Battery List-Unsubscribe: I am currently trying to get my old Thinkpad 510 back up and running, Does anybody have a TP510 battery that they would like to sell? If so email me at kevin@planetsmeg.com Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Smeg-Mail! http://www.planetsmeg.com From cph Tue Dec 21 15:16:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12632 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:16:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20022; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19624; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19610; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:06 -0500 Received: from 216-164-226-32.s286.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.226.32] helo=richard) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 120VcT-00076P-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:54 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991221150948.012e7570@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:46 -0500 To: Steve Hultquist From: richard Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 Cc: See K Lam , Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:00 PM 12/21/1999 +0000, Steve Hultquist wrote: >There is an option under power management that tells the system what to do >when you use the hardware suspend and hibernate features. Check the >advanced tab under power properties. Are you referring to the "when I press the sleep button" dialog? From cph Tue Dec 21 15:25:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12666 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:25:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20950; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:21:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20618; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20602; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:20:54 -0500 Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E To: "Michael Geary" Cc: , X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:28:52 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/21/99 01:29:01 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Mine says, "Going into suspend to completely eject", then drops into suspend state. ssh "Michael Geary" To: "Steve Hultquist" , om> Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E 12/21/1999 01:00 PM > I was able to stop and swap my CD-ROM for a ZIP drive (and back) using the > tray icon (600E with RC3 build 2183). I haven't tried it for a hard drive. Interesting! I'm running RC3 on a TP600 (not E) and every time I try to stop the CD-ROM, it puts up this message box: Problem Ejecting TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1702BC The device 'TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1702BC' cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device again later. RC1 and RC2 did the same thing. -Mike From cph Tue Dec 21 15:43:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12807 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:43:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22499; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:39:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22348; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22335; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pescado.nosc.mil (128.49.4.90 -> pescado.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:39:03 -0500 Received: from derektp ([128.49.190.155]) by pescado.nosc.mil (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FN3YKC00.7P1 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:36:12 -0800 From: "Derek Seaman" Cc: Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I would agree about Win2k. I'm a long time Unix supporter (Linux), and once I installed Win2k I unsubscribed from my Linux lists. Win2k is so much better than NT 4.0 and 98. I was able to blue screen Win2k though (once). Derek -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hultquist [mailto:ssh@leopard.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:56 AM To: Greg Langham Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 I have found w2k to be the first MS operating system that I actually have some faith in not crashing and needing a reboot periodically. Unlike you, I routinely crash NT *and* 98, but so far, after about a month of running RC3, I have not had a hard stop of the OS. I did have a problem yesterday when I tested LANDesk (don't do it on w2k! It won't work!), but even that I was able to recover from after some time of digging out the files that LANDesk had installed (without an uninstall program, BTW). Anyway, I remain reasonably pleased with Windows 2000. And that's saying something coming from the long-time Unix/Linux person that I am. ssh Greg Langham cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 570 12/21/1999 11:05 AM I wouldn't be surprised to here that W2k is a tad slower. w2k is the new version of NT, not the DOS based w98. You are going to sacrifice a bit of speed for the better reliability of w2k. While I'm sure w2k isn't perfect regarding stability, it must be better than 98. I've run NT 4 for the past two years just for that reason. I can routinely crash 98 doing my daily work, whereas I do not with NT and presumably w2k. Greg -----Original Message----- From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:48 AM To: dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 570 I just installed w2k on my 570. It installed easily. No problems with hardware. The beta TP utilities also work fine. On the other hand, nothing seems noticeably better than Win98SE, other than resume speed. Resume was slow with an older bios, but last night I installed the latest version, and resume now is about 10 seconds. One power management glitch - I've set the unit to suspend when I close the lid, and to hibernate after an hour of inactivity. Suspend works fine, but it won't hibernate. Power option properties -> power schemes -> running on batteries column -> system hibernates set to 1 hour (standby is set for 20 minutes). Hibernate is enabled. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, everything works fine. Subjectively, performance is similar to win98SE, perhaps a tad slower. Can anyone suggest an easy to find benchmark program? From cph Tue Dec 21 16:04:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12918 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:04:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24813; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:00:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24674; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24661; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:00:28 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12438; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: , Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > Mine says, "Going into suspend to completely eject", then drops into > suspend state. I would like it if mine did that. Maybe it works on 600E's and not 600's? I filed a bug report on it some time back. Maybe there's a chance they fixed it in the release build, but I won't hold my breath. From cph Tue Dec 21 19:56:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14102 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:56:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06206; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06052; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06039; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:32 -0500 Received: from TP600 (pool-209-138-36-92.irvn.grid.net [209.138.36.92]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23937; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005e01bf4c16$da8935c0$44278ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Michael Geary" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: Windows 2000 on 600E Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:45:30 -0800 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: W2K RC2 works fine on my TP600 with PII300 and 164MB ram. When I first updated the bios to the latest version ( released in Sept 99 ), suspend is not shown in the Power Option in Control Panel but after reboot, it shows up again and works fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E > > Mine says, "Going into suspend to completely eject", then drops into > > suspend state. > > I would like it if mine did that. > > Maybe it works on 600E's and not 600's? I filed a bug report on it some time > back. Maybe there's a chance they fixed it in the release build, but I won't > hold my breath. > From cph Tue Dec 21 21:45:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14541 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:45:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10728; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10623; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10605; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:34 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA06338; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA15481; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991221182734.00a9f1d0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:39:24 -0800 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: DSL Security Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <002701bf4a31$370fd2a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.19991218235921.00a911b0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: > > P.S.: I just received today that hardware firewall device--the "Sonic > > Wall" thingamajig. Going through the manual...it seems both powerful and > > simple at the same time. Thanks to your input, I'll be protected when my > > DSL line goes live on Monday. :-) I didn't even realize security would be > > an issue when I first planned to get DSL! David (and other TP List members), BTW, I checked out the www.spinrite.com site you recommended (thank you--very informative). With my dial-up connection through USC, most everything was okay (except for one port which apparently is a common problem on many systems). My DSL line went live yesterday. I did the same "Shields Up" check at Spin Rite...omigosh, I thought for sure my pants had dropped down around my ankles! EVERYTHING was wide open, ready for attack. it just wasn't funny! Fortunately, I had taken shipment of the SonicWall SOHO 10 firewall appliance just a couple days earlier, so I had it ready to go. It took a couple hours to figure out how to do the initial configuration, but ultimately it wasn't too tough. Once it was in place, it was baby simple. Now doing the same "Shields Up" test...everything is locked down *tight*. No performance degradation...no additional overhead in my OS. Okay, the box cost $350-ish, but I believe it works better for me than a software firewall would have--and less hassle (and it works for multiple computers--even provides network address translation if you want that. And filtering and logging features). Once its in place, it just works. 2 thumbs up. ;-) Thanks for everyone who helped me on this issue! - Randy Whittle From cph Tue Dec 21 22:59:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14868 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:59:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13504; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:56:09 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13426; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:56:07 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id WAA21667 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04239; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.45) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:59:44 -0500 Received: from notebook [200.0.213.37] by dialup.com.ar [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:56:51 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: Subject: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:59:55 -0300 Message-ID: <000c01bf4c0f$7ab69630$40fd89c6@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Return-Path: leandror@emk.com.ar List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA14869 Hi, I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in response... They say only IBM can supply it?? Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this memory. Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. Crucial Sales ************************************************************** All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. 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Thank you From cph Tue Dec 21 23:16:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14896 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:16:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14306; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14230; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14217; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:12 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-13.gate.net [207.36.212.13]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA137750; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38604FE4.6F552B66@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:24 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leandro Rzezak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] References: <000c01bf4c0f$7ab69630$40fd89c6@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: sure sounds like BAFFELGAB to me.. i've been selling 128meg DIMM's since they arrived on the scene.. no one has complained yet... you can have a choice of Apricorn, which is thinkpad proven, or goldenram, which is IBM approved, or Viking, which is.. uhh.. just a good company.. :-) and, of course, IBM, which is, uhh.. heheh.. IBM.. Leandro Rzezak wrote: > Hi, > > I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in response... > > They say only IBM can supply it?? > > Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] > Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 > To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' > Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question > > We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a > self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only > produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are > not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this > memory. > > Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. > Crucial Sales > > ************************************************************** > All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! > > - Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. > - Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. > - FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. > - Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. > - Order through our website and receive a discount! > > Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com > *********************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM > To: crucial.support@micron.com > Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question > > ordernumber: - > name: Leandro > customernumber: - > problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. > > Please send me prices, and models. > > Thank you -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Tue Dec 21 23:40:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14955 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:39:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15396; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:38:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15322; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15195; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:34:21 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-32.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.32]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA10261 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:40:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991221233607.012e9dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:36:07 -0800 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] In-Reply-To: <000c01bf4c0f$7ab69630$40fd89c6@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Wow, then I better yank the Kingston and Visiontek 128meg parts >from the 50+ 770 units I've deployed......... ASAP! :). I think what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P At 08:59 PM 12/21/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: >Hi, > >I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in response... > >They say only IBM can supply it?? > >Leandro >-----Original Message----- >From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] >Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 >To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' >Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question > > >We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a >self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only >produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are >not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this >memory. > >Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. >Crucial Sales > >************************************************************** >All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! > >- Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. >- Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. >- FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. >- Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. >- Order through our website and receive a discount! > >Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com >*********************************************** > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM >To: crucial.support@micron.com >Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question > > >ordernumber: - >name: Leandro >customernumber: - >problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. > >Please send me prices, and models. > >Thank you > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 22 00:16:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA15087 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:16:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17358; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17250; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17236; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:26 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-13.gate.net [207.36.212.13]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30300; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: <38605DFE.CAFB9738@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:34 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodchild18@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? References: <0.37cd48ab.25911bdd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John... sounds like you will have a fight on your hands... 1. The peeling paint is a well known problem.. many many 770's have experienced this problem.. i suggest that you do not pay the $300.. 2. The AC adapter sockets can become flaky, though this is not as common as peeling paint.. one thing that happens is stress or dirt or something, the connection becomes bad, it heats up, the spring tension becomes slack which = worse connection, which = more heat, which = even worse connection, ad inf. why is the pertinent question here.. put a volt meter on the plug and flex the cable to check for stressed out wires.. or bad power supply.. if none of the above, then i suggest that you suggest that it is a bad socket or loose connection internally or something similar.. 3. run the tests in ez setup.. IF the machine can get that far.. 4. try booting from a floppy.. verify that it IS the machine and not the HDD or OS.. 5. pull all add in memory, be sure there is not a bad memory part, then try booting again.. 6. busted plastic parts.. if this occured at home, then its your problem, if not, then be prepared to be reasonable and firm.. one thought.. when was the last time you plugged in headphones befopre sending the machine to easy serve.. obviously, the machine is on the way back to them, or should be.. be persistent, be firm, be courteous, crack a few jokes, but be firm and insist they mush repair the thinkpad properly, this time.. :-) Rodchild18@aol.com wrote: > Howdy, > I sent my Thinkpad 770ed(bought last year new on Dec 24th) into IBM. It > had not been working at all, and the battery would not charge either. > I also asked about the peeling case, and they told me it would cost me 300 > somewhat bucks to get fixed. > Well it's now about a week since I got my IBM back, and it has stopped > working. > When I sent it in they replaced the battery thats all they told me was wrong. > > When I try to boot it up, the little LCD panel flashes, then you can hear > the fan go on loudly, then it switches to softer, and it doesn't turn on. > Has anyone else had this problem? Also I noticed that my headphone jack is > demolished. I am not sure if that happened at IBM, or my house, or in > shipping, but after I got the unit back, I went to plug in some headphones, > and plastic pieces fell out. > My ac-adapter has also been freaking out lately, if I move the laptop a > little while plugged in, it beeped at me, and switched to battery. > Can anyone tell me if any of this is covered by warrenty? > Thanks > John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 22 01:18:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15249 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:18:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19524; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:09:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19450; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19437; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:09:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26622; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:07:59 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991221233607.012e9dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Mark Bell wrote: Not quite, they don't have anything above 32megs for the 770ED. I am using a Crucial 128Meg SODIMM with my 770Z with no problems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Wow, then I better yank the Kingston and Visiontek 128meg parts > from the 50+ 770 units I've deployed......... ASAP! :). I think > what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large > capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P > > > At 08:59 PM 12/21/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in > response... > > > >They say only IBM can supply it?? > > > >Leandro > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] > >Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 > >To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' > >Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question > > > > > >We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a > >self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only > >produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are > >not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this > >memory. > > > >Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. > >Crucial Sales > > > >************************************************************** > >All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! > > > >- Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. > >- Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. > >- FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. > >- Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. > >- Order through our website and receive a discount! > > > >Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com > >*********************************************** > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM > >To: crucial.support@micron.com > >Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question > > > > > >ordernumber: - > >name: Leandro > >customernumber: - > >problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. > > > >Please send me prices, and models. > > > >Thank you > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph Wed Dec 22 02:20:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15448 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:20:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21692; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21595; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21582; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:38 -0500 Received: from nas-74-185.boston.navinet.net (nas-74-185.boston.navinet.net [216.67.74.185]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA05225 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912220716.CAA05225@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:17:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:34 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >John... >sounds like you will have a fight on your hands... > >1. The peeling paint is a well known problem.. many many 770's have experienced >this problem.. i suggest that you do not pay the $300.. I can vouch for that. I've got a 770 and the paint is peeling badly where I rest my right hand below the keyboard. It was a referb unit I got from onsale and it has otherwise been great for the 14 or so months I've used it. The peeling paint began just a few months ago. I've been reluctant to send it anywhwere for what is just a cosmetic problem. It might come back in worse shape. Jeff From cph Wed Dec 22 07:53:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA16435 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:53:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10830; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:50:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10745; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10722; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:49:59 -0500 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16079; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:49:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3860C83D.1672063A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:46:53 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Rodchild18@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? References: <0.37cd48ab.25911bdd@aol.com> <38605DFE.CAFB9738@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We have had at least five or six 770s and 600s into IBM EasyServ for the peeling paint problem. We didn't pay a cent on any of them. Definitely don't let them charge you for this problem. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Dec 22 09:51:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA17048 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:51:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17142; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17046; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17033; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:12 -0500 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivea5m.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.182]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14378 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:49:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <199912220716.CAA05225@acunet.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: If the machine is in warranty IBM must fix the peeling paint problem. My 770 was in twice for this problem. I think because the machines were new they hadn't yet had that many complaints. The second time there were no questions asked. They need to replace the keyboard bezel. Curiously on my 770Z I have not had the peeling paint problem. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey D Grinnell [mailto:grinnell@acunet.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:18 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:34 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >John... >sounds like you will have a fight on your hands... > >1. The peeling paint is a well known problem.. many many 770's have experienced >this problem.. i suggest that you do not pay the $300.. I can vouch for that. I've got a 770 and the paint is peeling badly where I rest my right hand below the keyboard. It was a referb unit I got from onsale and it has otherwise been great for the 14 or so months I've used it. The peeling paint began just a few months ago. I've been reluctant to send it anywhwere for what is just a cosmetic problem. It might come back in worse shape. Jeff From cph Wed Dec 22 10:30:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA17209 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:30:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19684; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:27:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19598; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19585; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (167.79.91.99 -> ns.us.fortis.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:27:25 -0500 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id JAA18547 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from twbymime02.us.fortis.com (twbymime02.us.fortis.com [167.79.36.25]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id JAA18543 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from us.fortis.com (unverified) by twbymime02.us.fortis.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:26:11 -0600 Received: from WBYGATE1-Message_Server by us.fortis.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:42 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:25:05 -0600 From: "Mike Hunziker" To: Subject: DSL Security -Reply (OT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_BBE2EE66.31503D99" List-Unsubscribe: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_BBE2EE66.31503D99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wow, I hooked my new DSL connection this weekend and by default=20 EVERYTHING was locked down tight. I tried shields up and it couldn't = get=20 any info from me. The cisco 675's built in NAT combined with my=20 computers non routable ip address served to firewall me from the internet = while allowing outgoing traffic. >>> Randal Whittle 12/21/99 08:39pm >>> > > P.S.: I just received today that hardware firewall device--the "Sonic > > Wall" thingamajig. Going through the manual...it seems both powerful = and > > simple at the same time. Thanks to your input, I'll be protected when = my > > DSL line goes live on Monday. :-) I didn't even realize security = would be > > an issue when I first planned to get DSL! David (and other TP List members), BTW, I checked out the www.spinrite.com site you recommended=20 (thank you--very informative). With my dial-up connection through USC,=20 most everything was okay (except for one port which apparently is a = common=20 problem on many systems). My DSL line went live yesterday. I did the same "Shields Up"=20 check at Spin Rite...omigosh, I thought for sure my pants had dropped = down=20 around my ankles! EVERYTHING was wide open, ready for attack. it just=20 wasn't funny! Fortunately, I had taken shipment of the SonicWall SOHO 10=20 firewall appliance just a couple days earlier, so I had it ready to go. = It=20 took a couple hours to figure out how to do the initial configuration, = but=20 ultimately it wasn't too tough. Once it was in place, it was baby simple. Now doing the same "Shields Up" test...everything is locked = down=20 *tight*. No performance degradation...no additional overhead in my=20 OS. Okay, the box cost $350-ish, but I believe it works better for me = than=20 a software firewall would have--and less hassle (and it works for = multiple=20 computers--even provides network address translation if you want that. = And=20 filtering and logging features). Once its in place, it just works. 2=20 thumbs up. ;-) Thanks for everyone who helped me on this issue! - Randy Whittle **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. 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Thank you ***************************************************************** --=_BBE2EE66.31503D99 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from twbymime01.us.fortis.com by us.fortis.com; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:43:51 -0600 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (unverified) by twbymime01.us.fortis.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:45:08 -0600 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id UAA05780 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:41:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id UAA05776 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:41:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10673; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10623; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10605; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:34 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA06338; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA15481; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:42:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991221182734.00a9f1d0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:39:24 -0800 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: DSL Security Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <002701bf4a31$370fd2a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.19991218235921.00a911b0@rcf.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > P.S.: I just received today that hardware firewall device--the "Sonic > > Wall" thingamajig. Going through the manual...it seems both powerful and > > simple at the same time. Thanks to your input, I'll be protected when my > > DSL line goes live on Monday. :-) I didn't even realize security would be > > an issue when I first planned to get DSL! David (and other TP List members), BTW, I checked out the www.spinrite.com site you recommended (thank you--very informative). With my dial-up connection through USC, most everything was okay (except for one port which apparently is a common problem on many systems). My DSL line went live yesterday. I did the same "Shields Up" check at Spin Rite...omigosh, I thought for sure my pants had dropped down around my ankles! EVERYTHING was wide open, ready for attack. it just wasn't funny! Fortunately, I had taken shipment of the SonicWall SOHO 10 firewall appliance just a couple days earlier, so I had it ready to go. It took a couple hours to figure out how to do the initial configuration, but ultimately it wasn't too tough. Once it was in place, it was baby simple. Now doing the same "Shields Up" test...everything is locked down *tight*. No performance degradation...no additional overhead in my OS. Okay, the box cost $350-ish, but I believe it works better for me than a software firewall would have--and less hassle (and it works for multiple computers--even provides network address translation if you want that. And filtering and logging features). Once its in place, it just works. 2 thumbs up. ;-) Thanks for everyone who helped me on this issue! - Randy Whittle --=_BBE2EE66.31503D99-- From cph Wed Dec 22 10:43:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA17295 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:43:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20705; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:40:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20623; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb.iu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20595; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb.iu.net (198.69.25.2 -> bb.iu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:40:53 -0500 Received: from uxledkvk ([204.215.230.175]) by bb.iu.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24529; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:34:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002001bf4c92$d5301ea0$afe6d7cc@uxledkvk> From: "Guy Pelchat" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: , Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:40:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 770ED and the paint is peeling off the bottom side. EasyServ would not fix it for free when I sent the machine in for other repairs early last month. Guy -----Original Message----- From: I Lee Hetherington To: Bill Morrow Cc: Rodchild18@aol.com ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? >We have had at least five or six 770s and 600s into IBM EasyServ for the >peeling paint problem. We didn't pay a cent on any of them. Definitely >don't let them charge you for this problem. > >--Lee Hetherington > > From cph Wed Dec 22 10:55:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA17354 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:55:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22081; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:52:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21999; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21813; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:48:31 -0500 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-36.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.36]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21208; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:46:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991222104952.0082a350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:49:52 -0800 To: Vincent Poy From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991221233607.012e9dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA17355 Then, again, I must reiterate. :) Visiontek and Kingston sell parts that work across the board in the 770->770z series from 32meg parts up to 128meg parts. If I order a KTM770/128 part, it will work in any 770 I throw it in. If I order a Visiontek 5626Ø.Ø 128meg part, it will work in any of the 770's. I've done this numerous times from 1AU's (P233MMX) to 8AU's (P2-366). Like I said, Crucial is wrong in stating only IBM can supply the appropriate part (which was the butt of my joke). I've moved memory between various 770 units with no problems and all the same model and make. Why they seem to have problems with the 770ED but sell a compatible part for the 770z is perplexing. I would think that 128meg part for your 770z would work in a 770ED. Even IBM's support pages reference the same 128meg SDRAM part across the board for their 770 series of machines: 128MB 66MHz Non-Parity SDRAM SO DIMM Memory PN# 01K1150. And my last statement, "I think what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P" stands correct if for some strange reason their 128meg part doesn't work in EDs but works in Z's (which I would bet does work in other 770 models including the ED). Mark At 10:07 PM 12/21/1999 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > Not quite, they don't have anything above 32megs for the 770ED. >I am using a Crucial 128Meg SODIMM with my 770Z with no problems. > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > >> Wow, then I better yank the Kingston and Visiontek 128meg parts >> from the 50+ 770 units I've deployed......... ASAP! :). I think >> what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large >> capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P >> >> >> At 08:59 PM 12/21/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in >> response... >> > >> >They say only IBM can supply it?? >> > >> >Leandro >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] >> >Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 >> >To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' >> >Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question >> > >> > >> >We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a >> >self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only >> >produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are >> >not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this >> >memory. >> > >> >Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. >> >Crucial Sales >> > >> >************************************************************** >> >All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! >> > >> >- Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. >> >- Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. >> >- FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. >> >- Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. >> >- Order through our website and receive a discount! >> > >> >Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com >> >*********************************************** >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] >> >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM >> >To: crucial.support@micron.com >> >Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question >> > >> > >> >ordernumber: - >> >name: Leandro >> >customernumber: - >> >problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. >> > >> >Please send me prices, and models. >> > >> >Thank you ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 22 12:18:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17826 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:18:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28609; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28265; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28252; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:50 -0500 Received: from 770Z (1Cust105.tnt2.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.15.105]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08317; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:13:14 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199912220716.CAA05225@acunet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Many times, refurbs have only one-year warranty... Richard -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey D Grinnell [mailto:grinnell@acunet.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:18 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [770ED] Still broken + peeling case. Help? On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:13:34 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >John... >sounds like you will have a fight on your hands... > >1. The peeling paint is a well known problem.. many many 770's have experienced >this problem.. i suggest that you do not pay the $300.. I can vouch for that. I've got a 770 and the paint is peeling badly where I rest my right hand below the keyboard. It was a referb unit I got from onsale and it has otherwise been great for the 14 or so months I've used it. The peeling paint began just a few months ago. I've been reluctant to send it anywhwere for what is just a cosmetic problem. It might come back in worse shape. Jeff From cph Wed Dec 22 13:20:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA18286 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:20:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02826; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02602; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02589; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:46 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-91.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.91]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14359 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: RE: Windows 2000 on 600E - stopping CD-ROM Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:15:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I just figured out why I've never been able to stop the CD-ROM drive on either of my TP600's. The Windows CD Player application was running! After closing that application, I can stop the CD-ROM drive with the Unplug or Eject Hardware tray icon with no problem. Duh. Just a tip for anyone else who's run into this... -Mike From cph Wed Dec 22 15:11:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA19000 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:11:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09827; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:08:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09708; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09684; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:08:07 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-328.gate.net [199.227.131.137]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24776; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: <38612F40.C7381549@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:06:24 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, leandror@emk.com.ar Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] References: <3.0.6.32.19991221233607.012e9dc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There is another issue with the 770-1AU, 770ED(3AU) and the 770X and Z machines.. in the earlier 770's, the EPROM on the DIMM board was in a location that worked fine, but the later 770's X & Z, the DIMM sockets were in the same place, but one was 'flipped' over (mirror image?) and the EPROM now interfered with the side of the DIMM socket.. thus some manufacturers had to relocate the EPROM.. Mark Bell wrote: > Wow, then I better yank the Kingston and Visiontek 128meg parts > from the 50+ 770 units I've deployed......... ASAP! :). I think > what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large > capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P > > At 08:59 PM 12/21/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in > response... > > > >They say only IBM can supply it?? > > > >Leandro > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] > >Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 > >To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' > >Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question > > > > > >We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines take a > >self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only > >produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules are > >not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this > >memory. > > > >Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. > >Crucial Sales > > > >************************************************************** > >All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! > > > >- Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. > >- Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. > >- FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. > >- Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. > >- Order through our website and receive a discount! > > > >Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com > >*********************************************** > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM > >To: crucial.support@micron.com > >Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question > > > > > >ordernumber: - > >name: Leandro > >customernumber: - > >problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. > > > >Please send me prices, and models. > > > >Thank you > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 22 15:28:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA19143 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:28:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11078; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:23:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10839; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10826; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:23:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66445; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Crucial Technology Support Question [128 MB for 770ED] In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991222104952.0082a350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA11078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA19144 On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Mark Bell wrote: Don't know about that one but what makes the 770ED different from the 770, 770X, Z and any other 770 model since the 770 uses the same memory modules as the i series. But look at www.mushkin.com, they have memory but the 770ED uses different memory too. Besides, even the memory I bought from Crucial is not Micron either. It's NEC chips. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Then, again, I must reiterate. :) Visiontek and Kingston > sell parts that work across the board in the 770->770z > series from 32meg parts up to 128meg parts. If I order > a KTM770/128 part, it will work in any 770 I throw it > in. If I order a Visiontek 5626Ø.Ø 128meg part, it > will work in any of the 770's. I've done this > numerous times from 1AU's (P233MMX) to 8AU's (P2-366). > > Like I said, > Crucial is wrong in stating only IBM can supply the > appropriate part (which was the butt of my joke). > I've moved memory between various > 770 units with no problems and all the same model and > make. Why they seem to have problems with the 770ED > but sell a compatible part for the 770z is perplexing. > > I would think that 128meg part for your 770z would work > in a 770ED. Even IBM's support pages reference the same > 128meg SDRAM part across the board for their 770 series > of machines: 128MB 66MHz Non-Parity SDRAM SO DIMM Memory > PN# 01K1150. > > And my last statement, "I think what Crucial meant to say was > that THEY don't produce large capacity memory products for the > 770 line. >;-P" stands correct if for some strange reason their > 128meg part doesn't work in EDs but works in Z's (which I would > bet does work in other 770 models including the ED). > > Mark > > At 10:07 PM 12/21/1999 -0800, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > > Not quite, they don't have anything above 32megs for the 770ED. > >I am using a Crucial 128Meg SODIMM with my 770Z with no problems. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] > ] > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > >> Wow, then I better yank the Kingston and Visiontek 128meg parts > >> from the 50+ 770 units I've deployed......... ASAP! :). I think > >> what Crucial meant to say was that THEY don't produce large > >> capacity memory products for the 770 line. >;-P > >> > >> > >> At 08:59 PM 12/21/1999 -0300, Leandro Rzezak wrote: > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >I asked Crucial for a 128MB upgrade for my 770ED, look why I got in > >> response... > >> > > >> >They say only IBM can supply it?? > >> > > >> >Leandro > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Crucsales [mailto:Crucsales@micron.com] > >> >Sent: martes 21 de diciembre de 1999 20:18 > >> >To: 'leandror@emk.com.ar' > >> >Subject: RE: Crucial Technology Support Question > >> > > >> > > >> >We do not have the 128mb upgrade for this Thinkpad. The IBM machines > take a > >> >self refreshing chip that is not industry standard spec. Micron only > >> >produces industry standard memory so beyond the 32mb range, our modules > are > >> >not compatible. You will have to refer to your manufacturer for this > >> >memory. > >> > > >> >Sorry that we cannot supply your upgrade for you at this time. > >> >Crucial Sales > >> > > >> >************************************************************** > >> >All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too! > >> > > >> >- Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. > >> >- Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. > >> >- FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. > >> >- Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. > >> >- Order through our website and receive a discount! > >> > > >> >Call toll-free 1-800-932-4995 or visit http://www.crucial.com > >> >*********************************************** > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: leandror@emk.com.ar [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > >> >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 6:57 PM > >> >To: crucial.support@micron.com > >> >Subject: Crucial Technology Support Question > >> > > >> > > >> >ordernumber: - > >> >name: Leandro > >> >customernumber: - > >> >problem: I need 128MB upgrade for my Thinkpad 770ed. > >> > > >> >Please send me prices, and models. > >> > > >> >Thank you > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph Wed Dec 22 19:07:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20455 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:07:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21271; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:05:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21134; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21117; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:04:58 -0500 Received: from dante22.u.washington.edu (williams@dante22.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.72]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA20916 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:04:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante22.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id QAA99732 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:04:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 770ED Ram (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I sent this message to Crucial(Micron). The answer is below. But it's not clear to me. They had 128mb Ram for the 770ED listed a few weeks ago. It disappeared this week. They don't have any thing listed for 770Z or 770X. What is "self refreshing?" John ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:55:51 -0700 From: Crucsupport To: "'williams@u.washington.edu'" Subject: RE: 770ED Ram Hello, Your system requires modules with self refreshing chips. The modules we have now do not have the self refresh option. This was something we were unaware of in the past when the system was released. Darryl Hawes Crucial Technology (A Division of Micron Technology) Technical Support 1-800-336-8916 (Tech Support) 1-800-336-8896 (Sales) Voice (208)363-5658 FAX (208)368-3342 ************************************************************** All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too !! * Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. * Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. * FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. * Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. * Order through our website and receive a discount! Call toll-free 1-800-336-8896 or visit http://www.crucial.com ************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Crucsales Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 7:56 AM To: Crucsupport Subject: FW: 770ED Ram Has this been invalidated for a reason?....crucial sales. -----Original Message----- From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:55 PM To: crucial.sales@micron.com Cc: crucial.service@micron.com Subject: 770ED Ram HI, A few weeks ago your website had 128mb ram listed for the 770ED. Now it's gone. But it's there for the 770. Please advise, Thanks, John From cph Wed Dec 22 22:51:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA21385 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:51:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28735; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28623; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28603; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:46 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-388.gate.net [199.227.131.197]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA88390; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: <38619B70.D328BCDB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:48:00 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED Ram (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: without asking those who would know for sure.. :-) in the old days, ram was "static".. i.e. once data was written to the ram chip, there it stayed until the power went away.. these chips were expensive (relatively) and ran hot, consuming lots of power.. then "dynamic" ram came along.. the data was written and unless it was "refreshed" it went away, after a period of time.. (milliseconds) early on, this was cheaper and used less power.. but it was waaay less reliable than good old static ram.. now, most ram is dynamic ram and it needs refreshing (like MY memory) and if the refresh cycles are not there, off a bit, or some such thing, then BAM! system crash.. i have never heard of "self refreshing" ram, but tomorrow, if i have some time, i'll find out if its real or not.. then i'll "refresh" and let all y'all know.. :-) "J. Williams" wrote: > Hi, > > I sent this message to Crucial(Micron). The answer is below. But it's > not clear to me. > > They had 128mb Ram for the 770ED listed a few weeks ago. It disappeared > this week. They don't have any thing listed for 770Z or 770X. > > What is "self refreshing?" > > John > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:55:51 -0700 > From: Crucsupport > To: "'williams@u.washington.edu'" > Subject: RE: 770ED Ram > > Hello, > > Your system requires modules with self refreshing chips. The modules we have > now do not have the self refresh option. This was something we were unaware > of in the past when the system was released. > > Darryl Hawes > Crucial Technology (A Division of Micron Technology) > Technical Support > 1-800-336-8916 (Tech Support) > 1-800-336-8896 (Sales) > Voice (208)363-5658 > FAX (208)368-3342 > ************************************************************** > All of the top PC manufacturers use our memory. Now you can too !! > * Guaranteed compatible upgrades for over 5000 systems. > * Limited lifetime warranty and a 30-day money-back guarantee. > * FREE technical support from America's leading memory manufacturer. > * Purchase programs for Corporate, Government, and Resellers. > * Order through our website and receive a discount! > Call toll-free 1-800-336-8896 or visit http://www.crucial.com > > ************************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crucsales > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 7:56 AM > To: Crucsupport > Subject: FW: 770ED Ram > > Has this been invalidated for a reason?....crucial sales. > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:55 PM > To: crucial.sales@micron.com > Cc: crucial.service@micron.com > Subject: 770ED Ram > > HI, > > A few weeks ago your website had 128mb ram listed for the 770ED. Now it's > gone. But it's there for the 770. > > Please advise, > > Thanks, John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 23 15:06:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24814 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:06:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09267; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:01:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09056; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09040; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:01:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14321 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:03:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:03:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED Ram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > From: Bill Morrow > without asking those who would know for sure.. :-) Well, I don't know for *sure*, but I do know memory down to the transistor level, having designed a VERY slow cache chip as a class project. > in the old days, ram was "static".. i.e. once data was written to the > ram chip, there it stayed until the power went away.. these chips were > expensive (relatively) and ran hot, consuming lots of power.. Well, in terms of online storage (as opposed to tape or disk), first it was relays, then core (solid state!) and then static. Quite expensive, very fast, and these can be almost no-power CMOS when not being used. Power consumption is linear with frequency for CMOS, so they could have been hot when used on a fast (for them) clock. Watches, pagers and cell phones use static RAM for low power consumption. It is not used in portable computers because it is still too expensive to have 16MB of it. > then "dynamic" ram came along.. the data was written and unless it was > "refreshed" it went away, after a period of time.. (milliseconds) early > on, this was cheaper and used less power.. but it was waaay less > reliable than good old static ram.. It was cheaper because you don't need as many transistors (as few as one to hold the value and one to read/write), so the die is smaller, so you get more chips on a wafer, better yields and everybody is happy. (For example, chip one half the size in each dimension means you get four times as many chips at the same cost of materials.) > now, most ram is dynamic ram and it needs refreshing (like MY memory) > and if the refresh cycles are not there, off a bit, or some such thing, > then BAM! system crash.. Because as small as static RAM's get, dynamic is still smaller and cheaper for the same reasons. Except now we get 512MB DIMMs. > i have never heard of "self refreshing" ram, but tomorrow, if i have > some time, i'll find out if its real or not.. It certainly is real. Just maybe not on a laptop DIMM. Dynamic RAM plus an automatic refresh can still be cheaper than static RAM. Some CPU's even have a built-in RAM refresh so you don't need an external circuit. Of course, this means nothing WRT the question at hand, but some of you might want to know. > then i'll "refresh" and let all y'all know.. :-) Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Thu Dec 23 15:50:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24975 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:50:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11321; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:47:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11220; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAB11081; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:47:35 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.17) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 23 Dec 1999 15:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002501bf4d7e$232664c0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: 760ED not powering up in Dock1 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:44:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I have aquired a brand new SelectaBase1 as well as a used SelectaDock1. I'm having trouble getting the laptop to boot while in the dock1. I pushed the SelectaBase pretty hard into the Dock, so I'm sure it's not that. When I apply power to the Dock without the laptop in, I hear an audable 'click'-either a relay or sylenoid. If I then push the 760 into the Base, A partial circle appears on the left side of the LCD screen on the Dock. When I attempt to power the system on, I get a suspend symbol on the LCD. Now, if I apply power to the entire Dock/Base/760, I get the 'click', and the LCD flashes green for a second or two, then shows the above two symbols. I was told that some models need to have the AC adaptor connected to the laptop because the dock will not power it. However the power connection are covered by both the Base and Dock. Any ideas? Thanks. -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 24 00:47:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27099 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:47:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28919; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:34:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28660; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.intermediatn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28647; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.intermediatn.net (208.27.20.5 -> mail.intermediatn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:34:04 -0500 Received: from computer.intermediatn.net ([208.7.211.236]) by mail.intermediatn.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61973U13000L4000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:36:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> X-Sender: jseabolt@mail.intermediatn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:32:21 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: James Seabolt Subject: Floppy drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software onto my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my floppy drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't allow me to read, write or format disks. I did a search on the internet for a replacement drive and all I could come up with was memory upgrades. I realize this is an old machine and because of that, I just use it as a backup when I can't use my desktop. But I would like to keep it going as long as I can. Will any old floppy drive work or does it have to be a special drive for this machine? Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list (but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. Thanks. James Seabolt Tennessee, United States ICQ #: 7344463 http://users.intermediatn.net/jseabolt/ 1980 FIAT 2000 TURBO Spider, 1981 FIAT X 1/9 1994 JEEP Wrangler 1968 Ford Fairlane 500 From cph Fri Dec 24 09:12:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA28229 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:12:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19632; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:09:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19532; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19519; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:08:57 -0500 Received: from 770Z (1Cust173.tnt26.atl2.da.uu.net [63.28.221.173]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA29281; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 06:08:41 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Slip" , Subject: RE: 760ED not powering up in Dock1 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501bf4d7e$232664c0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Jamie, is the power connector on the SelectaBase covered? If not, try the power adapter in that one. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 2:44 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED not powering up in Dock1 Hi there, I have aquired a brand new SelectaBase1 as well as a used SelectaDock1. I'm having trouble getting the laptop to boot while in the dock1. I pushed the SelectaBase pretty hard into the Dock, so I'm sure it's not that. When I apply power to the Dock without the laptop in, I hear an audable 'click'-either a relay or sylenoid. If I then push the 760 into the Base, A partial circle appears on the left side of the LCD screen on the Dock. When I attempt to power the system on, I get a suspend symbol on the LCD. Now, if I apply power to the entire Dock/Base/760, I get the 'click', and the LCD flashes green for a second or two, then shows the above two symbols. I was told that some models need to have the AC adaptor connected to the laptop because the dock will not power it. However the power connection are covered by both the Base and Dock. Any ideas? Thanks. -Jamie From cph Fri Dec 24 12:25:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28755 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:25:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25467; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:23:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25370; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from vop.x-press.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25356; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from vop.x-press.net (205.177.91.14 -> vopmail.x-press.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:23:39 -0500 Received: from jbing (ts3-26.x-press.net [205.177.91.116]) by vop.x-press.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:24:26 -0500 From: "jbing" To: Subject: ThinkPad 701 Help Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:22:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf4e33$779deb80$745bb1cd@nextel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I understand that there is the possibility to upgrade a ThinkPad 701 Butterfly to 72MB ram by using a 64MB SO DIMM Thanks John Bing jbing@x-press.net From cph Fri Dec 24 13:59:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29068 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:59:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28301; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:54:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28154; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28141; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.31 -> f04s01.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:54:26 -0500 Received: from CACPPP (nb3ppp44.cac.psu.edu [146.186.17.44]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA43638 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:54:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991224135051.0069ddcc@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:50:53 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:43:47 -0500 To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.ED From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:41:47 -0500 To: James Seabolt From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Hi, I also have a TP 340 with a bad floppy; I replaced the drive (typical TEAC drive, guts are found in a lot of laptop drives .... including the external thinkpad floppy I sell on eBay) twice, each time with a known good drive. Each time the TP 340 kept giving me a drive error.... that leaves a bad system board. I plan on pulling the hard drive; sticking it in another thinkpad; adding laplink (or the DOS equivalent); then putting the hard drive (now with laplink) back in the original TP 340 in order to get the occasional file in or out of the TP 340. Even that is low on my priority list since my TP 340 is a monochrome display; OK for my kids to play with (but they also squawk about the lack of color). Maybe you'll be lucky and its only a bad drive. Merry Christmas, -Pete Findeis >>>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:32:21 -0500 >>>From: James Seabolt >>>To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU >>>Subject: Floppy drive >>>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> >>>I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. >>>All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software onto >>>my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some >>>other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks >>>are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my floppy >>>drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't allow >>>me to read, write or format disks. >>> >>>I did a search on the internet for a replacement drive and all I could come >>>up with was memory upgrades. >>> >>>I realize this is an old machine and because of that, I just use it as a >>>backup when I can't use my desktop. But I would like to keep it going as >>>long as I can. >>> >>>Will any old floppy drive work or does it have to be a special drive for >>>this machine? >>> >>>Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list >>>(but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but >>>could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>James Seabolt >>>Tennessee, United States >>>ICQ #: 7344463 >>>http://users.intermediatn.net/jseabolt/ >>> >>>1980 FIAT 2000 TURBO Spider, >>>1981 FIAT X 1/9 >>>1994 JEEP Wrangler >>>1968 Ford Fairlane 500 >>> >>> From cph Fri Dec 24 17:30:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29591 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:30:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03728; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:06:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03253; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03237; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:06:13 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.183.237 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:06:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001901bf4e5a$91ce41e0$edb71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: thinkpad 560 battery Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:02:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Should the light over icon the battery be on when charging? I've got the original, and a second battery that won't take a charge what-so-ever. I hit Fn-F2 for the battery status and nothing happens. Any ideas? Thanks Brad From cph Fri Dec 24 19:15:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29827 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:15:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00987; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:06:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00738; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00725; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:06:46 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA26989; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:06:22 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bf4e6b$eec63ea0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: , "Peter Findeis" References: <3.0.32.19991224135051.0069ddcc@mail.bucknell.edu> Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:06:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jim. As these machines get older, some solution other than OEM replacement is increasingly in need of exploration. I have asked before on this list - but nobody seems to know the answer - whether the external 'superdisks' (from Panasonic, Imation, etc) are bootable. If so, these would be the obvious solution, since they are relatively inexpensive, can read and write both standard 3.5" disks and high capacity disks, and can be moved from machine to machine. Failing that, there are several aftermarket sources of IBM parts (just as there are for your Italian car(s)); www.bluestarusa.com comes immediately to mind, but I have a few others bookmarked if necessary. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Findeis To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:43:47 -0500 > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.ED > From: Peter Findeis > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:41:47 -0500 > To: James Seabolt > From: Peter Findeis > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > > Hi, > I also have a TP 340 with a bad floppy; I replaced the drive (typical TEAC > drive, guts are found in a lot of laptop drives .... including the external > thinkpad floppy I sell on eBay) twice, each time with a known good drive. > Each time the TP 340 kept giving me a drive error.... > > that leaves a bad system board. > > I plan on pulling the hard drive; sticking it in another thinkpad; adding > laplink (or the DOS equivalent); then putting the hard drive (now with > laplink) back in the original TP 340 in order to get the occasional file in > or out of the TP 340. Even that is low on my priority list since my TP 340 > is a monochrome display; OK for my kids to play with (but they also squawk > about the lack of color). > > Maybe you'll be lucky and its only a bad drive. > > Merry Christmas, > -Pete Findeis > > >>>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:32:21 -0500 > >>>From: James Seabolt > >>>To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > >>>Subject: Floppy drive > >>>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> > >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>> > >>>I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. > >>>All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software onto > >>>my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some > >>>other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks > >>>are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my floppy > >>>drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't allow > >>>me to read, write or format disks. > >>> > >>>I did a search on the internet for a replacement drive and all I could come > >>>up with was memory upgrades. > >>> > >>>I realize this is an old machine and because of that, I just use it as a > >>>backup when I can't use my desktop. But I would like to keep it going as > >>>long as I can. > >>> > >>>Will any old floppy drive work or does it have to be a special drive for > >>>this machine? > >>> > >>>Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list > >>>(but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but > >>>could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. > Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>James Seabolt > >>>Tennessee, United States > >>>ICQ #: 7344463 > >>>http://users.intermediatn.net/jseabolt/ > >>> > >>>1980 FIAT 2000 TURBO Spider, > >>>1981 FIAT X 1/9 > >>>1994 JEEP Wrangler > >>>1968 Ford Fairlane 500 > >>> > >>> > From cph Sat Dec 25 12:16:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31649 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:16:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28837; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:10:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28729; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28716; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:10:26 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.184.90 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 09:10:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf4efa$661b02e0$5ab81b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: More Battery problem info Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:05:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm still having problems getting my 560 to charge either one of it's batteries. So to give you a bit of history, when I got it, the battery ran the machine for about 5 minutes and then crapped out. It's never recharged since. The battery I got yesterday was supposed to be sealed in it's package new, but of course it wasn't. So here's what I'm wondering, and what I've done so far. 1. Battery light glows orange at boot-up, and then goes out completely. I'm wondering if it's recognizing it at all. 2. Downloaded the IBM utility disk and installed it for advance power management for windows 95. Now the system shows the battery status, but displays a icon that is empty. Not charging, needing a charge etc. Again does the 560 even know it's there. 3. Followed IBM's suggestions at the on-line assistant page. No luck, they think the machine is faulty. I'm thinking that a completely DEAD battery wouldn't accept a charge and then make itself invisible to the system. IF I had a fully charged battery things would probably be easier to figure out, but that is something I don't have. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brad From cph Sat Dec 25 12:16:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31653 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:16:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28972; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28882; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28869; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:11:23 -0500 Received: from 139-142-112-192.islandnet.com ([139.142.112.192]) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 121uiv-0004vV-00 ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 09:11:21 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: jbing@x-press.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701 Help Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 09:05:37 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <000401bf4e33$779deb80$745bb1cd@nextel.com> In-Reply-To: <000401bf4e33$779deb80$745bb1cd@nextel.com> Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: If it works, please tell us! Up to now, all I've seen is the flat statement that the maximum is 40 MB, = 8 + 32. This message comes from such a machine! In article <000401bf4e33$779deb80$745bb1cd@nextel.com>, you wrote: >I understand that there is the possibility to upgrade a ThinkPad 701 >Butterfly to 72MB ram by using a 64MB SO DIMM > >Thanks > >John Bing >jbing@x-press.net > -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sat Dec 25 13:39:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31864 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:39:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01106; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00883; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00870; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (165.166.0.14 -> pacs04.InfoAve.Net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:32:59 -0500 Received: from dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net ("port 1029"@[206.74.61.248]) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JJX58GF56CA0Z5FH@InfoAve.Net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:32:55 EST Received: by dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF4EDC.80B54C00@dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net>; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:32:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:32:26 -0500 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: Floppy drive TP 340 To: jseaboltintermediatnnet Cc: Peter Findeis , THINKPADcsutkedu Message-id: <01BF4EDC.80B54C00@dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA31866 We use some of the Imation superdisk at the plant where I work. They are not bootable. We have to leave the 3.5' floppy disk in the unit to boot from if necessary. The superdisk hooks to your IDE controller and has to run a special driver to make it work. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: David Ross[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 7:06 PM To: jseabolt@intermediatn.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Peter Findeis Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Hi Jim. As these machines get older, some solution other than OEM replacement is increasingly in need of exploration. I have asked before on this list - but nobody seems to know the answer - whether the external 'superdisks' (from Panasonic, Imation, etc) are bootable. If so, these would be the obvious solution, since they are relatively inexpensive, can read and write both standard 3.5" disks and high capacity disks, and can be moved from machine to machine. Failing that, there are several aftermarket sources of IBM parts (just as there are for your Italian car(s)); www.bluestarusa.com comes immediately to mind, but I have a few others bookmarked if necessary. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Findeis To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:43:47 -0500 > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.ED > From: Peter Findeis > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:41:47 -0500 > To: James Seabolt > From: Peter Findeis > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > > Hi, > I also have a TP 340 with a bad floppy; I replaced the drive (typical TEAC > drive, guts are found in a lot of laptop drives .... including the external > thinkpad floppy I sell on eBay) twice, each time with a known good drive. > Each time the TP 340 kept giving me a drive error.... > > that leaves a bad system board. > > I plan on pulling the hard drive; sticking it in another thinkpad; adding > laplink (or the DOS equivalent); then putting the hard drive (now with > laplink) back in the original TP 340 in order to get the occasional file in > or out of the TP 340. Even that is low on my priority list since my TP 340 > is a monochrome display; OK for my kids to play with (but they also squawk > about the lack of color). > > Maybe you'll be lucky and its only a bad drive. > > Merry Christmas, > -Pete Findeis > > >>>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:32:21 -0500 > >>>From: James Seabolt > >>>To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > >>>Subject: Floppy drive > >>>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> > >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>> > >>>I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. > >>>All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software onto > >>>my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some > >>>other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks > >>>are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my floppy > >>>drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't allow > >>>me to read, write or format disks. > >>> > >>>I did a search on the internet for a replacement drive and all I could come > >>>up with was memory upgrades. > >>> > >>>I realize this is an old machine and because of that, I just use it as a > >>>backup when I can't use my desktop. But I would like to keep it going as > >>>long as I can. > >>> > >>>Will any old floppy drive work or does it have to be a special drive for > >>>this machine? > >>> > >>>Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list > >>>(but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but > >>>could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. > Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>James Seabolt > >>>Tennessee, United States > >>>ICQ #: 7344463 > >>>http://users.intermediatn.net/jseabolt/ > >>> > >>>1980 FIAT 2000 TURBO Spider, > >>>1981 FIAT X 1/9 > >>>1994 JEEP Wrangler > >>>1968 Ford Fairlane 500 > >>> > >>> > From cph Sat Dec 25 13:39:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31868 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:39:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01113; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00921; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00904; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (209.226.175.139 -> tomts1.bellnexxia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:09 -0500 Received: from sympatico.ca ([216.209.208.99]) by tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <19991225183307.HTBW24271.tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:07 -0500 Message-ID: <38650DFE.7808DC59@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:33:35 -0500 From: Rich Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Burean@email.msn.com Subject: Re: thinkpad 560 battery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad, The LED below the battery icon should be green if a functional battery pack is detected, off if no such battery is found, and orange while the battery is charging. Also, you need to run the "Battery Guage" utility program (C:\THINKPAD\FUELW32.EXE) for Fn-F2 to become operative. Annoying, but that's the way it works. Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. Also, a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2000, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Canada great, (not to imply that Canada is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "CANADA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. [By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.] That and, um, Merry Christmas :-) Rich > > Should the light over icon > the battery be on when charging? I've got the original, and a second > battery that won't take a charge what-so-ever. I hit Fn-F2 for the battery > status and nothing happens. Any ideas? > > Thanks Brad > From cph Sat Dec 25 14:59:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA32014 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:59:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03458; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03331; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03317; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:53:07 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.22) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 25 Dec 1999 14:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bf4f08$db76ec80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:50:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I would like to know if the 760ED can be used with the Dock1 by placing it into the SelectaBase. I purchassed both, but I cann't get the laptop to power on while in the Dock1. The AC power connections are all covered except for the large 'PC-power' cord. If I do a cold-dock, it will not power on at all. If I hot-dock, I get a message in Win98 that I must shut down the computer and redock. Even then this if off battery power. Any ideas?? Thanks -Jamie From cph Sat Dec 25 16:19:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA32168 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:19:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06115; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:13:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06015; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06001; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:13:27 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.219]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991225211324.PNAK1891@compaq>; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:13:24 +0000 Message-ID: <38655D85.5ADE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:12:53 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? References: <001701bf4f08$db76ec80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Your post does not make a lot of sense. The Dock 1 does not work at all with a SelectaBase. The SelectaDock 1 does. Be more specific as to the problem and the equipment on hand! Slip wrote: > > Hi there, > I would like to know if the 760ED can be used with the Dock1 by placing > it into the SelectaBase. I purchassed both, but I cann't get the laptop to > power on while in the Dock1. The AC power connections are all covered except > for the large 'PC-power' cord. If I do a cold-dock, it will not power on at > all. If I hot-dock, I get a message in Win98 that I must shut down the > computer and redock. Even then this if off battery power. Any ideas?? > > Thanks > -Jamie From cph Sat Dec 25 16:35:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA32198 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:35:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06673; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:30:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06597; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06584; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:30:09 -0500 Received: from ppro200 - 63.14.55.204 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:30:08 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: "'Think'" Subject: RE: More Battery problem info Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I hate to be the one to break the bad news, but I too had the same problem. It turned out it was a hardware problem not a battery problem. Mine was under warranty and EasyServe replaced the motherboard. Good luck! Rich Bilancia > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 1999 10:05 AM > To: Think > Subject: More Battery problem info > > > I'm still having problems getting my 560 to charge either one of it's > batteries. So to give you a bit of history, when I got it, > the battery ran > the machine for about 5 minutes and then crapped out. It's > never recharged > since. The battery I got yesterday was supposed to be sealed in it's > package new, but of course it wasn't. So here's what I'm > wondering, and > what I've done so far. > > 1. Battery light glows orange at boot-up, and then goes out > completely. > I'm wondering if it's recognizing it at all. > 2. Downloaded the IBM utility disk and installed it for advance power > management for > windows 95. Now the system shows the battery status, but > displays a icon > that is empty. Not charging, needing a charge etc. Again > does the 560 even > know it's there. > 3. Followed IBM's suggestions at the on-line assistant page. > No luck, they > think the > machine is faulty. > > I'm thinking that a completely DEAD battery wouldn't accept a > charge and > then make > itself invisible to the system. IF I had a fully charged > battery things > would probably be easier to figure out, but that is something > I don't have. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks Brad > > From cph Sat Dec 25 18:05:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32390 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:05:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08929; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:00:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08850; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08837; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:00:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 19718 invoked by alias); 25 Dec 1999 23:00:18 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 19689 invoked by uid 0); 25 Dec 1999 23:00:17 -0000 Received: from cdialup161.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.65.161) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 1999 23:00:17 -0000 Message-ID: <38654CFB.8928ABF5@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:02:19 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Jacobs CC: jseaboltintermediatnnet , Peter Findeis , THINKPADcsutkedu Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 References: <01BF4EDC.80B54C00@dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The bios on my desktop allows me to set it to boot from a zipdisk or an ls120. Stan Jacobs wrote: > > We use some of the Imation superdisk at the plant where I work. They are not bootable. We have to leave the 3.5' floppy disk in the unit to boot from if necessary. The superdisk hooks to your IDE controller and has to run a special driver to make it work. > > Stan Jacobs > > ---------- > From: David Ross[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 7:06 PM > To: jseabolt@intermediatn.net > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Peter Findeis > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > Hi Jim. > > As these machines get older, some solution other than OEM replacement is > increasingly in need of exploration. I have asked before on this list - but > nobody seems to know the answer - whether > the external 'superdisks' (from Panasonic, Imation, etc) are bootable. If so, > these would be the obvious > solution, since they are relatively inexpensive, can read and write both > standard 3.5" disks and high > capacity disks, and can be moved from machine to machine. > > Failing that, there are several aftermarket sources of IBM parts (just as > there are for your > Italian car(s)); www.bluestarusa.com comes immediately to mind, but I have a > few others bookmarked if > necessary. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Findeis > To: > Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:43:47 -0500 > > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.ED > > From: Peter Findeis > > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:41:47 -0500 > > To: James Seabolt > > From: Peter Findeis > > Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 > > > > > > Hi, > > I also have a TP 340 with a bad floppy; I replaced the drive (typical TEAC > > drive, guts are found in a lot of laptop drives .... including the external > > thinkpad floppy I sell on eBay) twice, each time with a known good drive. > > Each time the TP 340 kept giving me a drive error.... > > > > that leaves a bad system board. > > > > I plan on pulling the hard drive; sticking it in another thinkpad; adding > > laplink (or the DOS equivalent); then putting the hard drive (now with > > laplink) back in the original TP 340 in order to get the occasional file in > > or out of the TP 340. Even that is low on my priority list since my TP 340 > > is a monochrome display; OK for my kids to play with (but they also squawk > > about the lack of color). > > > > Maybe you'll be lucky and its only a bad drive. > > > > Merry Christmas, > > -Pete Findeis > > > > >>>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:32:21 -0500 > > >>>From: James Seabolt > > >>>To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > > >>>Subject: Floppy drive > > >>>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> > > >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >>> > > >>>I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. > > >>>All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software > onto > > >>>my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some > > >>>other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks > > >>>are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my > floppy > > >>>drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't > allow > > >>>me to read, write or format disks. > > >>> > > >>>I did a search on the internet for a replacement drive and all I could > come > > >>>up with was memory upgrades. > > >>> > > >>>I realize this is an old machine and because of that, I just use it as a > > >>>backup when I can't use my desktop. But I would like to keep it going as > > >>>long as I can. > > >>> > > >>>Will any old floppy drive work or does it have to be a special drive for > > >>>this machine? > > >>> > > >>>Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list > > >>>(but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but > > >>>could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. > > Thanks. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>James Seabolt > > >>>Tennessee, United States > > >>>ICQ #: 7344463 > > >>>http://users.intermediatn.net/jseabolt/ > > >>> > > >>>1980 FIAT 2000 TURBO Spider, > > >>>1981 FIAT X 1/9 > > >>>1994 JEEP Wrangler > > >>>1968 Ford Fairlane 500 > > >>> > > >>> > > From cph Sat Dec 25 19:27:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32641 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:27:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10737; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:21:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10592; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10578; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:20:59 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00190; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:20:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001c01bf4f37$20ffe4e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Stan Jacobs" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <01BF4EDC.80B54C00@dial-48.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:21:16 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: "We use some of the Imation superdisk at the plant where I work. They are not bootable. We have to leave the 3.5' floppy disk in the unit to boot from if necessary. The superdisk hooks to your IDE controller and has to run a special driver to make it work." This is the external superdisk? Imation says at their website that the internal (desktop) superdisk is bootable, but doesn't say anything similar for the pcmcia or epp port versions, which is why I raised the question (though assume that the answer is 'no'). - David R. From cph Sat Dec 25 22:26:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00564 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:26:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14136; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14016; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14003; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (165.166.0.14 -> pacs04.InfoAve.Net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:22 -0500 Received: from dial-5.r04.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net ("port 1029"@[206.74.61.135]) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JJXNOFZNRYA8D8RX@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:21:11 EST Received: by dial-5.r04.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF4EC2.0B62A7A0@dial-5.r04.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net>; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:23:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:22:57 -0500 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: Floppy drive TP 340 To: Stan Jacobs Cc: ThinkPad List Message-id: <01BF4EC2.0B62A7A0@dial-5.r04.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: No these are the internal units. Or at least they mount where the 3.5" floppy mounts and do not have a case for external use. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: David Ross[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: Saturday, December 25, 1999 7:21 PM To: Stan Jacobs Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Floppy drive TP 340 "We use some of the Imation superdisk at the plant where I work. They are not bootable. We have to leave the 3.5' floppy disk in the unit to boot from if necessary. The superdisk hooks to your IDE controller and has to run a special driver to make it work." This is the external superdisk? Imation says at their website that the internal (desktop) superdisk is bootable, but doesn't say anything similar for the pcmcia or epp port versions, which is why I raised the question (though assume that the answer is 'no'). - David R. From cph Sat Dec 25 23:45:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA00724 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:45:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15710; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:40:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15590; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15577; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:40:05 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.22) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 25 Dec 1999 23:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01bf4f4f$562d8e20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Cc: References: <001701bf4f08$db76ec80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> <38655D85.5ADE@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:14:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Bruce, My appologies-I was calling the *SelectaDock Base model 1* a 'SelectaBase'. I do indeed have a SelectaDock Base model 1. There are a couple pn/s on the bottom: P/N:39H7407 FRU p/n: 39H7416 FRU P/N: 73H8594 98 01 The other bottom piece I have is the SelectaDock1. Type 3547-001 s/n: 97-45518 96/7 Hope this clears up the confusion. :-) Thanks for any help you may be able to offer, -Jamie > Your post does not make a lot of sense. > The Dock 1 does not work at all with a SelectaBase. The SelectaDock 1 > does. > Be more specific as to the problem and the equipment on hand! From cph Sun Dec 26 00:21:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA00830 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:21:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16518; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:16:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16444; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16430; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:16:02 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.16.253]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991226051600.IVY5516@compaq>; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 05:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3865CEA2.4CF3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:15:30 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? References: <001701bf4f08$db76ec80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> <38655D85.5ADE@worldnet.att.net> <001b01bf4f4f$562d8e20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, that combo works with a 760ED Slip wrote: > > Bruce, > > My appologies-I was calling the *SelectaDock Base model 1* a 'SelectaBase'. > I do indeed have a SelectaDock Base model 1. > > There are a couple pn/s on the bottom: > P/N:39H7407 > FRU p/n: 39H7416 > FRU P/N: 73H8594 98 01 > > The other bottom piece I have is the SelectaDock1. Type 3547-001 s/n: > 97-45518 96/7 > > Hope this clears up the confusion. :-) Thanks for any help you may be able > to offer, > -Jamie > > > Your post does not make a lot of sense. > > The Dock 1 does not work at all with a SelectaBase. The SelectaDock 1 > > does. > > Be more specific as to the problem and the equipment on hand! From cph Sun Dec 26 15:32:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12125 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:32:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12779; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:25:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12683; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12670; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:25:49 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.15 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:25:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001601bf4fde$d9763540$0ffb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: 560 Battery Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:21:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Would anyone with a 560 be willing to try to charge one of my batteries to see if it's good? USA resident please... Thanks! From cph Sun Dec 26 16:40:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12319 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:40:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14032; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13942; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13925; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:37 -0500 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19991226213227.ZDNT7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 13:32:27 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 To: James Seabolt Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Floppy drive Reply-to: tom@act.ca CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: urgent In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19991224003221.01020f04@mail.intermediatn.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <19991226213227.ZDNT7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> List-Unsubscribe: Hi James On 24 Dec 99, at 0:32, James Seabolt spoke about *Floppy drive..* saying > I've got a Thinkpad 340 and I beleive the floppy drive has bit the dust. > All of a sudden one day when I used it, I tried loading some software onto > my computer when it said that the disk had an error on it. I tried some > other disks and get the same error everytime. So I am 99% sure the disks > are not the problem. I also checked the system hardware list and my floppy > drive doesn't have a "!" beside it so it shows to be good, but won't allow > me to read, write or format disks. Have you tried cleaning the disk drive or reseating the connections? ... > Also, I've lost the instructions on how to subscribe to this mailing list > (but the mailing address remains in my address book) so I hate to ask but > could someone email me if they know where I get a replacement drive. Thanks. Tom And a happy New Year to you and yours. ----------------- From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o ICQ:57647974 _ \< Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax: 594-5412 No ads, please (*)/'(*) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun Dec 26 23:55:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA13078 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:55:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23350; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:51:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23200; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23187; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:51:41 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax45.vramp.net [198.138.8.108]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22473 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Subject: RE: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:54:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001b01bf4f4f$562d8e20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > Bruce, > > My appologies-I was calling the *SelectaDock Base model 1* a 'SelectaBase'. > I do indeed have a SelectaDock Base model 1. > > There are a couple pn/s on the bottom: > P/N:39H7407 > FRU p/n: 39H7416 > FRU P/N: 73H8594 98 01 > > The other bottom piece I have is the SelectaDock1. Type 3547-001 s/n: > 97-45518 96/7 I've got the exact same units, but my problem is that when I dock any of my 75X or 76X units on the SelectaDock, it begins beeping. The HMM says this is a "security" problem, but doesn't offer any explanation beyond that. Anyone know what the problem is? I've got all my keys and have repeatedly locked and unlocked the unit, but the beeping continues. Anyone have a link to a User's Guide for the SelectaDock 1? Regards, James From cph Sun Dec 26 23:57:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA13082 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:57:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23557; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23483; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23470; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:25 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax45.vramp.net [198.138.8.108]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22706 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Subject: RE: Floppy drive TP 340 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01bf4e6b$eec63ea0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] wrote: > As these machines get older, some solution other than OEM replacement is > increasingly in need of exploration. I have asked before on this list - but > nobody seems to know the answer - whether > the external 'superdisks' (from Panasonic, Imation, etc) are bootable. If so, > these would be the obvious > solution, since they are relatively inexpensive, can read and write both > standard 3.5" disks and high > capacity disks, and can be moved from machine to machine. Generally, the _internal_ superdisks are bootable, but not when they're installed externally. > Failing that, there are several aftermarket sources of IBM parts (just as > there are for your > Italian car(s)); www.bluestarusa.com comes immediately to mind, but I have a > few others bookmarked if > necessary. Sorry Dave, as I got older and wiser I threw over my Italian beauties for well built Swedes! (NOT the ones beginning with a "V"!) Regards, James From cph Mon Dec 27 08:31:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14099 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:31:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14650; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14558; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14545; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:40 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc2-00.ismi.net [208.171.72.55]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA06022; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601bf5077$55e710c0$3748abd0@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: Subject: SelectaDocks are for PCI based units only... Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:33:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi James, the SelectaDock series is only for use with the PCI based ThinkPads. So...none of the 360/750/755 series laptops will work in the SelectaDocks....And, the ISA based 760's (760C, 760CD, 760L, 760LD) will not work in the SelectaDocks either... The SelectaBase replicator works with all these units as a stand-alone replicator though. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, December 26, 1999 10:55 PM Subject: RE: TP760 + Base1 + Dock1? >> Bruce, >> >> My appologies-I was calling the *SelectaDock Base model 1* a 'SelectaBase'. >> I do indeed have a SelectaDock Base model 1. >> >> There are a couple pn/s on the bottom: >> P/N:39H7407 >> FRU p/n: 39H7416 >> FRU P/N: 73H8594 98 01 >> >> The other bottom piece I have is the SelectaDock1. Type 3547-001 s/n: >> 97-45518 96/7 > >I've got the exact same units, but my problem is that when I dock any of my 75X >or 76X units on the SelectaDock, it begins beeping. The HMM says this is a >"security" problem, but doesn't offer any explanation beyond that. > >Anyone know what the problem is? I've got all my keys and have repeatedly locked >and unlocked the unit, but the beeping continues. > >Anyone have a link to a User's Guide for the SelectaDock 1? > >Regards, > >James > > From cph Mon Dec 27 12:08:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14865 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:08:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22057; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21949; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21932; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:41 -0500 Received: from 207-172-86-8.s8.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.86.8] helo=mike) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 122daV-0000xu-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01bf508c$8be753a0$0856accf@mike> From: "Mike Webb" To: Subject: SUBSCRIBE Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: SUBSCRIBE From cph Mon Dec 27 12:32:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15011 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:32:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23313; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:31:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23230; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23217; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:31:38 -0500 Received: from ken ([208.199.120.169]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13620 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:31:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991227122424.00d07c30@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:30:16 -0500 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: TP 390X vs. TP 600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm currently comparing ThinkPad models. I am a current owner of a TP 770ED. I'm looking to get an additional machine, which will be carried around a lot. It will be replacing a Compaq/Digital 6.4 lb. machine. I don't like the TP 600, due to its 13.3" screen (I'm spoiled by 14.1" on each of my laptops). The TP 390X looks nice, and even costs less than the 600, has twice as much hard drive space, faster processor, larger screen, built-in ethernet (I think). The only obvious drawback is the weight (7.7 lb., vs. 5 lb. on the 600). Does anyone have experience or feedback on the 390X? Is there something else wrong with it besides its weight? Will it be hard to transport around? Is it bulky? Is it unreliable? Is it badly designed? (Will I be disappointed if comparing it to the 770ED?) Thanks in advance for any insight, Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Mon Dec 27 14:30:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15553 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:30:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27467; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:28:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27377; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27347; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:27:59 -0500 Received: from 208-58-212-189.s443.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.189] helo=tp600) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 122fo9-0001A1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:27:54 -0500 From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: Subject: Missing Shortcut Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: ALthough I have erased most everything in the Start directory and have run checklinks.exe, my 760EL still gives me a "The file folder "setup.exe" that this shortcut refers to cannot be found" at start up. I can go beyond this message but I sure would like to know how to get rid of it!! Thanks for any help. Patrick paforte@ibm.net From cph Mon Dec 27 14:56:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15704 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:56:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28430; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28345; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28330; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:09 -0500 Received: from andres (pm456-44.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.102]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA52094 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:55:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991227145447.00a6dba0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:54:47 -0500 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You should have a program called msconfig.exe in \windows\system. That is a mostly unknown, very useful utility for configuration things, which might have something in win.ini or system.ini that is the culpret. Try it--it might be what you need. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 02:29 PM 12/27/1999 -0500, Patrick A. Forte wrote: > ALthough I have erased most everything in the Start directory and have run >checklinks.exe, my 760EL still gives me a "The file folder "setup.exe" that >this shortcut refers to cannot be found" at start up. I can go beyond this >message but I sure would like to know how to get rid of it!! Thanks for any >help. > >Patrick >paforte@ibm.net From cph Mon Dec 27 23:48:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18073 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:48:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04041; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03943; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03916; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.50 -> avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:32 -0500 Received: from miles (ip25.miami22.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.28.25]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08846 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: Subject: BIOS upgrade breaks Linux boot Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4880$d1879280$8a3e6420@math.hawaii.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I recently applied the 11/19/99 BIOS upgrade (v. 1.06) to my 600E 2645-8AU. This machine came with NT installed in a 2-Gbyte partition, and I successfully installed Red Hat Linux 6.1 to new partitions I'd added. After applying the BIOS update Linux won't boot. I get an error saying, "Invalid Geometry -- 0 physical heads" and then a kernel panic. An hour of Web searching didn't turn up a fix, but I did find a Usenet post suggesting that different BIOS can rewrite the partition table and thus read the same hard disk in different ways. The message also suggested I could fix the problem by appending "hda=c,h,s" to my boot string (where c, h, and s represent the cylinder, head, and sector numbers of the Linux boot partition.) Problem is, I don't know these numbers, and I can't seem to find them via the NT partitions. Any ideas on this much appreciated. Alternatively, I also would be willing to roll back to the previous BIOS version, but I can't find this either. The 2645-8AU is a 366-MHz PII w/ 128 Mbytes RAM, a 6.4-Mbyte hard disk, and NT4 installed in a 2.048-Gbyte partition. TIA. David Newman From cph Mon Dec 27 23:58:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18089 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:58:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04709; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04587; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04574; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:09 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-318.gate.net [199.227.173.64]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32914; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:03 -0500 Message-ID: <386842F8.E7756B56@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:56:24 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Newman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BIOS upgrade breaks Linux boot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: david.. the head, cyl & sector info is printed on the HDD label.. the older bios versions are on the IBM FTP site.. they keep everything, back to the first bios update for the 750.. or they used to, anyway.. and i just found a message saying that the site was no longer being updated.. as of 11/12/99 and will be gone after 12/20/99 i suggest that you fish around and see if you can find it.. try: http://www.pc.ibm.com/searchfiles.html as a starting point.. David Newman wrote: > I recently applied the 11/19/99 BIOS upgrade (v. 1.06) to my 600E 2645-8AU. > This machine came with NT installed in a 2-Gbyte partition, and I > successfully installed Red Hat Linux 6.1 to new partitions I'd added. > > After applying the BIOS update Linux won't boot. I get an error saying, > "Invalid Geometry -- 0 physical heads" and then a kernel panic. > > An hour of Web searching didn't turn up a fix, but I did find a Usenet post > suggesting that different BIOS can rewrite the partition table and thus read > the same hard disk in different ways. The message also suggested I could fix > the problem by appending "hda=c,h,s" to my boot string (where c, h, and s > represent the cylinder, head, and sector numbers of the Linux boot > partition.) > > Problem is, I don't know these numbers, and I can't seem to find them via > the NT partitions. Any ideas on this much appreciated. Alternatively, I also > would be willing to roll back to the previous BIOS version, but I can't find > this either. > > The 2645-8AU is a 366-MHz PII w/ 128 Mbytes RAM, a 6.4-Mbyte hard disk, and > NT4 installed in a 2.048-Gbyte partition. > > TIA. > > David Newman -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Tue Dec 28 02:44:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA18494 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:44:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11063; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:43:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10980; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10966; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:43:00 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA08332; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:42:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000f01bf5107$36d03960$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <386842F8.E7756B56@icanect.net> Subject: IBM ftp disappearing? (was: Re: BIOS upgrade breaks Linux boot) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:43:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Bill said: > the older bios versions are on the IBM FTP site.. > they keep everything, back to the first bios update for the 750.. > or they used to, anyway.. > and i just found a message saying that the site was no longer being updated.. as > of 11/12/99 and will be gone after 12/20/99 Yikes! What does that mean - do they plan to stop supporting older machines? This would be a disaster! (Not least - I suspect - for brand loyalty among ThinkPad owners...) - David R. From cph Tue Dec 28 09:44:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19438 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:44:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01617; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01504; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01472; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:49 -0500 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16945; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:38 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3868CC5E.67437051@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:42:38 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: TP 390X vs. TP 600 References: <4.2.0.58.19991227122424.00d07c30@mail.ny.viant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I went from a 770 with 14.1" XGA screen to a 600 with 13.3" XGA screen. I didn't notice a difference, but you might. Have you actually looked at the 600's screen in person? What I am trying to say is don't just judge it by the raw numbers. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Dec 28 11:07:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19808 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:07:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05028; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:04:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04843; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04829; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:04:30 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA17562 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:04:29 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912281604.KAA17562@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP560] upgrading BIOS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:04:29 -0600 (EST) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I can't get my MS Intellimouse working with my TP560x under linux so I was thinking of upgrading my BIOS to the lastest version and see if that helps. I think there are at least 2 newer versions. I am curious if anyone has upgraded their BIOS on their system and if they've had any problems. Also, is it possible to reverse the process (like it is with my Dell Desktop). Thanks, and Happy Holidays. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 11:41:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20033 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:41:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06304; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:39:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06228; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06215; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:39:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [TP560] upgrading BIOS To: Esmail Bonakdarian Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 From: Steve Hultquist Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:47:54 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 12/28/99 09:47:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: This has been an extensive discussion on this list over the past month. Yes, people have upgraded their BIOSes, and yes, there are problems with Linux when you do. You can downgrade without a problem. ssh Esmail Bonakdarian To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] upgrading BIOS 12/28/1999 09:04 AM Please respond to Esmail Bonakdarian Hi, I can't get my MS Intellimouse working with my TP560x under linux so I was thinking of upgrading my BIOS to the lastest version and see if that helps. I think there are at least 2 newer versions. I am curious if anyone has upgraded their BIOS on their system and if they've had any problems. Also, is it possible to reverse the process (like it is with my Dell Desktop). Thanks, and Happy Holidays. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 11:54:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20080 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:54:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07264; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07099; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07060; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:41 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Dec 28 08:52:33 1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:52:33 -0800 From: " " Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 X-Sender-Ip: 212.90.64.69 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 750C running win 95 and I would like to use 256 colors in windows 95, however I haven't been able to find a suitable driver that would let me use more than 16 colors. If anyone knows how to do it I'd like to know how. Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. Whats wrong (and how do I fix it ;))? Thanks. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Dec 28 11:54:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20084 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07246; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07063; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07047; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:52:39 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Dec 28 08:52:28 1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:52:28 -0800 From: " " Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 X-Sender-Ip: 212.90.64.69 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 750C running win 95 and I would like to use 256 colors in windows 95, however I haven't been able to find a suitable driver that would let me use more than 16 colors. If anyone knows how to do it I'd like to know how. Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. Whats wrong (and how do I fix it ;))? Thanks. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Dec 28 12:12:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20180 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:12:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08407; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:10:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08287; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08265; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:10:31 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18520; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:10:19 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912281710.LAA18520@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560] upgrading BIOS To: ssh@leopard.com (Steve Hultquist) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:10:19 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Steve Hultquist" at Dec 28, 99 04:47:54 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hi Steve, Thanks for the quick reply. I guess I must have missed the BIOS stuff, what sort of problems with Linux? I think there is an archive of this list, I'll try to hunt through there too. Esmail Steve Hultquist writes: > > This has been an extensive discussion on this list over the past > month. Yes, people have upgraded their BIOSes, and yes, there are > problems with Linux when you do. You can downgrade without a problem. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 12:44:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20290 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:44:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09947; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:42:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09874; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09860; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:42:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 17609 invoked by uid 66); 28 Dec 1999 17:41:40 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Tue Dec 28 17:41:40 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 421A1EA45; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:51 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: IBM ftp disappearing? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <386842F8.E7756B56@icanect.net> <000f01bf5107$36d03960$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <19991228122651.421A1EA45@seneca.muc.de> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:51 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > Bill said: >> the older bios versions are on the IBM FTP site.. >> they keep everything, back to the first bios update for the 750.. >> or they used to, anyway.. >> and i just found a message saying that the site was no longer being > updated.. as >> of 11/12/99 and will be gone after 12/20/99 > Yikes! What does that mean - do they plan to stop supporting older machines? > This would be a > disaster! (Not least - I suspect - for brand loyalty among ThinkPad > owners...) ??? ftp.pc.ibm.com:/pub/pccbbs/mobiles seems to be perfectly fine. Or do I miss something? -- Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? From cph Tue Dec 28 12:47:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20314 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:47:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10304; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10219; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10195; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41 -> imo-d09.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:45:02 -0500 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.0.268e7411 (4461) for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:44:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.268e7411.259a5118@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:44:56 EST Subject: 730t flash card To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 List-Unsubscribe: I can't get Windows 3.1 to recognize the flash card in slot 2. (I get an "access denied" statement.) Where can I get driver software? Jim From cph Tue Dec 28 13:28:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20469 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:28:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13514; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13423; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13410; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04037; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:26:22 -0500 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: David Newman Subject: Re: BIOS upgrade breaks Linux boot In-Reply-To: <386842F8.E7756B56@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > david.. > > the head, cyl & sector info is printed on the HDD label.. Unfortunately, the head/cyl/sec info printed on any drive over 512 MB is not going to match what the BIOS reports. All drives since about 1993 exceed the 32-head/512-cyl/64-sec (?) limitation of the original PC BIOS, and have relied on logical remapping of these parameters to make bigger drives backwards-compatible with older BIOSes. I ran into this problem with my TP701C, which came with a 720 MB drive. I had to give Redhat (v4.0 or so) the hda=h,c,s line to get it to work, but had no idea what h, c, and s were supposed to be. It turns out one of the DOS utilities that were part of the Redhat distribution (so you could make boot disks or use loadln to boot from DOS) had an option to report these values. I used that, plugged the numbers in, and it worked like a charm. YMMV. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the utility. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph Tue Dec 28 13:37:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20551 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:37:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14095; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14018; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14005; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.19 -> mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:06 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.53.88]) by mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991228183604.WSGW28505@compaq> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:36:04 +0000 Message-ID: <38692D29.777E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:35:37 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 BIOS question - two displays References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I noticed that in the BIOS of my 770 there is a setting for one or two displays. What exactly does this do? I am intending to put this unit into a SelectaDock 3 with a Voodoo card. Does this allow the LCD to work off the internal video, and the monitor to work off the external video simultaneouly? Or, what is the purpose? Thanks! From cph Tue Dec 28 14:09:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20662 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:09:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15541; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:06:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15448; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15425; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:06:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30720; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:08:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:08:47 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: fade131@my-deja.com Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 28 Dec 1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > From: > I have a Thinkpad 750C running win 95 and I would like to use 256 colors > in windows 95, however I haven't been able to find a suitable driver > that would let me use more than 16 colors. If anyone knows how to do it > I'd like to know how. I have a 750P. To use more than 16 colors, you need to install the VESA driver in your config.sys file. Once this is running, Win95 will work much better, as will many old DOS programs. > Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in > win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices > when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should > insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot > to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. This is very strange. It works in DOS but not Win95, huh? I can only guess at this, but I'd suggest you upgrade the 750C BIOS if you haven't done so since late '97. I would also try reseating the connector. Also, does it work once each time you start win95, or just once ever? If just once ever, your drive may be broken. Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Tue Dec 28 15:53:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21160 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:53:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23477; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:51:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23388; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23374; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:50:49 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Dec 28 12:50:40 1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Chris Schumann" Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:50:40 -0800 From: " " Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 X-Sender-Ip: 212.90.64.69 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:08:47 Chris Schumann wrote: >> From: > >> I have a Thinkpad 750C running win 95 and I would like to use 256 colors >> in windows 95, however I haven't been able to find a suitable driver >> that would let me use more than 16 colors. If anyone knows how to do it >> I'd like to know how. > >I have a 750P. To use more than 16 colors, you need to install the VESA >driver in your config.sys file. Once this is running, Win95 will work much >better, as will many old DOS programs. That did fix the problem, thanks. > >> Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in >> win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices >> when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should >> insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot >> to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. > >This is very strange. It works in DOS but not Win95, huh? I can only >guess at this, but I'd suggest you upgrade the 750C BIOS if you haven't >done so since late '97. I would also try reseating the connector. Also, >does it work once each time you start win95, or just once ever? If just >once ever, your drive may be broken. The BIOS should be the newest version, as it has the y2k fix that AFAIK is included only in the newest BIOS (I'm the second owner so I'm not sure). It worked only once ever, when I was installing some software, but it works perfectly in DOS (not DOS-prompt), and I can boot from the FD, so I don't think it's broken. Windows Device manager doesn't report any conflicts either. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Dec 28 16:27:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21307 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:27:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25006; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24927; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24913; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:25:06 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA19031 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:25:04 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912282125.PAA19031@europa.veggie.com> Subject: win98 + 20x pcmcia cdrive ok? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:25:04 -0600 (EST) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hiya everyone. I've got one of those nifty external IBM 20x PCMCIA CD-ROM drives and I was wondering if anyone has used this drive with Windows98? I've only found info on this drive up to Win95. I have used this CD drive ok with Win95, but I'm trying to help someone install some software on their TP 240 (which unlike my TP560x did not come with MS Office). This TP came witn win98 installed. I've looked on the net but not been able to find any drivers for this. We only have my external IBM drive available. Does anyone know if this drive works with Win98 and if so where I can find drivers? I'm somehwhat pressed for time so if anyone knows please let me know. I searched the IBM and MS web sites unsucessfully. Thanks a bunch, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 16:46:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21399 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:46:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25840; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25749; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25735; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.68 -> ha1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:11 -0500 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19991228214156.ONZC7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:56 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 To: "Patrick A. Forte" Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Missing Shortcut Reply-to: tom@act.ca CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <19991228214156.ONZC7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Patrick Download StartCop from PC magazine & use it to delete it. Tom On 27 Dec 99, at 14:29, Patrick A. Forte spoke about *Missing Shortcut..* saying > ALthough I have erased most everything in the Start directory and have run > checklinks.exe, my 760EL still gives me a "The file folder "setup.exe" that > this shortcut refers to cannot be found" at start up. I can go beyond this > message but I sure would like to know how to get rid of it!! Thanks for any > help. > > Patrick > paforte@ibm.net > And a happy New Year to you and yours. ----------------- From:Tom Trottier, 400 Slater St. Suite 415,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o ICQ:57647974 _ \< Voice: +1 613 291-1168 fax: 594-5412 No ads, please (*)/'(*) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Dec 28 16:52:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21442 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:52:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26544; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:50:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26471; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26458; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.18 -> mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:50:52 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.14.91]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991228215050.XTVA10418@compaq>; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:50:50 +0000 Message-ID: <38695ACC.6208@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:50:20 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win98 + 20x pcmcia cdrive ok? References: <199912282125.PAA19031@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Most PCMCIA drives just install an IDE controller. If you did not receive any driver disks with this device, that's probably all that it does, and should do so in W98 Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Hiya everyone. > > I've got one of those nifty external IBM 20x PCMCIA CD-ROM drives and I > was wondering if anyone has used this drive with Windows98? I've only > found info on this drive up to Win95. > > I have used this CD drive ok with Win95, but I'm trying to help > someone install some software on their TP 240 (which unlike my TP560x > did not come with MS Office). This TP came witn win98 installed. I've > looked on the net but not been able to find any drivers for this. > > We only have my external IBM drive available. Does anyone know if this > drive works with Win98 and if so where I can find drivers? I'm > somehwhat pressed for time so if anyone knows please let me know. I > searched the IBM and MS web sites unsucessfully. > > Thanks a bunch, > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 17:25:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21613 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:24:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28002; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27898; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27885; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:12 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.20) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 28 Dec 1999 17:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: <008801bf5182$4b86ff80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: Subject: Software used to capture on 760ED Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:24:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I'd like to know what software is preloaded on the 760ED for video capture. Can this be downloaded somewhere from IBM? If not, are there any third party shareware programs? Thanks. -Jamie From cph Tue Dec 28 17:27:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21617 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:27:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28345; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:26:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28269; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28255; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.19 -> mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:26:12 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.14.91]) by mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991228222610.ZGJY28505@compaq>; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:26:10 +0000 Message-ID: <38696314.534B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:25:40 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Software used to capture on 760ED References: <008801bf5182$4b86ff80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Digital Video Producer came with, but almost any capture software will work (they are all based on a Microsoft utility, which you can downlaod free!). Do a web search, you will come up with a few! Slip wrote: > > Hi there, > I'd like to know what software is preloaded on the 760ED for video > capture. Can this be downloaded somewhere from IBM? If not, are there any > third party shareware programs? > > Thanks. > -Jamie From cph Tue Dec 28 17:30:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21625 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:30:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28659; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:28:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28560; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28524; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:27:25 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax44.vramp.net [198.138.8.107]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11085; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , Subject: RE: win98 + 20x pcmcia cdrive ok? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199912282125.PAA19031@europa.veggie.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Esmail Bonakdarian [mailto:esmail@uiowa.edu] wrote: > I've got one of those nifty external IBM 20x PCMCIA CD-ROM drives and I > was wondering if anyone has used this drive with Windows98? I've only > found info on this drive up to Win95. > We only have my external IBM drive available. Does anyone know if this > drive works with Win98 and if so where I can find drivers? I'm > somehwhat pressed for time so if anyone knows please let me know. I > searched the IBM and MS web sites unsucessfully. It should install automatically in Win98, as long as PC Card Services is active. Start/Settings/Control Panel/PCMCIA Cards. Also, the drive _must_ be turned ON before you insert the card into the Thinkpad. After the card is inserted (again, with the drive ON) Win98 will automatically set it up as a secondary IDE controller. You don't even have to re-boot. Let us know how you make out. Regards, James From cph Tue Dec 28 17:47:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21677 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00053; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:45:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29976; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29956; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:45:45 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19116; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:37 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912282245.QAA19116@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: win98 + 20x pcmcia cdrive ok? To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:37 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38695ACC.6208@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowitz" at Dec 28, 99 04:50:20 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Bruce Markowitz writes: > > Most PCMCIA drives just install an IDE controller. If you did not > receive any driver disks with this device, that's probably all that it > does, and should do so in W98 Got it. I just installed the win95 drivers and it worked. Thanks for the quick reply. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 17:48:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21690 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:48:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00319; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00237; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00222; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:21 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19128; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:47:15 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199912282247.QAA19128@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: win98 + 20x pcmcia cdrive ok? To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:47:15 -0600 (EST) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "James H. E. Maugham" at Dec 28, 99 05:30:45 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > Also, the drive _must_ be turned ON before you insert the card into the > Thinkpad. > > After the card is inserted (again, with the drive ON) Win98 will automatically > set it up as a secondary IDE controller. You don't even have to re-boot. I'm not sure if the drive was turned on, but Win recognized the drive connected to the PCMCIA slot. I ended up installing the Win95 driver and it worked fine. Thanks for the quick reply. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Dec 28 18:49:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21928 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:49:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02528; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:48:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02443; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02416; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (165.166.0.27 -> smtp02.InfoAve.Net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:47:48 -0500 Received: from dial-28.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net ("port 1029"@[206.74.61.228]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JK1N3O2QBE8WY1XC@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:47:36 EST Received: by dial-28.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF50FF.B53E3A20@dial-28.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net>; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:49:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:46:45 -0500 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 To: "'fade131my-dejacom'" , thinkpadcsutkedu , Chris Schumann Message-id: <01BF50FF.B53E3A20@dial-28.r05.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA21929 On the disk drive problem. Open the floppy drive in my computer like you want to format a disk. Make sure it isn't recognizing it as a 2.88 meg drive. My 750 did that one time. Of course the disk you put in it was a 1.44 meg so nothing is where it should be. I only had that problem one time. I think I set it as a 1.44 meg disk and then rebooted win95. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: fade131@my-deja.com[SMTP:fade131@my-deja.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 3:50 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Chris Schumann Subject: Re: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:08:47 Chris Schumann wrote: >> From: > >> I have a Thinkpad 750C running win 95 and I would like to use 256 colors >> in windows 95, however I haven't been able to find a suitable driver >> that would let me use more than 16 colors. If anyone knows how to do it >> I'd like to know how. > >I have a 750P. To use more than 16 colors, you need to install the VESA >driver in your config.sys file. Once this is running, Win95 will work much >better, as will many old DOS programs. That did fix the problem, thanks. > >> Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in >> win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices >> when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should >> insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot >> to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. > >This is very strange. It works in DOS but not Win95, huh? I can only >guess at this, but I'd suggest you upgrade the 750C BIOS if you haven't >done so since late '97. I would also try reseating the connector. Also, >does it work once each time you start win95, or just once ever? If just >once ever, your drive may be broken. The BIOS should be the newest version, as it has the y2k fix that AFAIK is included only in the newest BIOS (I'm the second owner so I'm not sure). It worked only once ever, when I was installing some software, but it works perfectly in DOS (not DOS-prompt), and I can boot from the FD, so I don't think it's broken. Windows Device manager doesn't report any conflicts either. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Dec 28 19:54:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22114 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:54:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05136; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05028; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05004; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:12 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Dec 28 16:52:04 1999 To: "thinkpadcsutkedu" , "Chris Schumann" , "Stan Jacobs" Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:52:04 -0800 From: " " Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: RE: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 X-Sender-Ip: 212.90.64.69 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After booting 10^n times and trying everything I could think of I found out that it was the PCMCIA slot controller that caused the problems, but I don't know why, as no conflicts where reported. On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:46:45 Stan Jacobs wrote: >On the disk drive problem. Open the floppy drive in my computer like you want to format a disk. Make sure it isn't recognizing it as a 2.88 meg drive. My 750 did that one time. Of course the disk you put in it was a 1.44 meg so nothing is where it should be. I only had that problem one time. I think I set it as a 1.44 meg disk and then rebooted win95. > >Stan Jacobs > > >---------- >From: fade131@my-deja.com[SMTP:fade131@my-deja.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 3:50 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Chris Schumann >Subject: Re: TP750C and 256 colors in win95 > > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:08:47 Chris Schumann wrote: >>> From: > >> >>> Second question: The floppy drive on it (a 2.88mb model) won't work in >>> win 95, it did work once, but since that it only makes strange noices >>> when I try to acces it and I get an error message saying that I should >>> insert a floppy (that's allready in the drice). It works fine if I boot >>> to DOS, and the EasySetup test program doesn't detect any faults in it. >> >>This is very strange. It works in DOS but not Win95, huh? I can only >>guess at this, but I'd suggest you upgrade the 750C BIOS if you haven't >>done so since late '97. I would also try reseating the connector. Also, >>does it work once each time you start win95, or just once ever? If just >>once ever, your drive may be broken. > >The BIOS should be the newest version, as it has the y2k fix that AFAIK is included only in the newest BIOS (I'm the second owner so I'm not sure). It worked only once ever, when I was installing some software, but it works perfectly in DOS (not DOS-prompt), and I can boot from the FD, so I don't think it's broken. >Windows Device manager doesn't report any conflicts either. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Dec 28 23:49:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22982 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:49:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11965; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:41:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11660; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11647; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "thinkpad@cs. utk. edu (E-mail)" Subject: Enhanced Video Adapter & DVD problems. Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:41:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Background: I have a TP 770 (no suffix, just plain 770) running Win95. I recently purchased a DVD drive and the enhanced video adapter (no related software came preloaded on my system). After installing hardware noticed a memo that came with the video adapter card stating "for the 770, do not use the drivers on the supplied CD; these drivers are intended for the 770x and 770xd only. Instead download the latest video capture driver diskette from: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html" were I found many different files ready to download... Downloaded all relevant files, extracted and followed supplied installation instructions. Current Status: At this point Windows seems "happy" with the hardware and drivers (they are listed in the ControlPanel-System and Multimedia sections, all settings there appear ok), yet niether IBMs' "SoftDvD" application nor the video capture tool from Asymetrixs' "Digital Video Producer" are working. SoftDvD reports "Error IBM MPEG: Failed to perform stream creation with VPN" when the play button is clicked (the DVD does spin up with a message of "Loading Software" just before this message is displayed). Digital Video Producer reports "Initialization Error: A problem was encountered initializing the DVP capture tool. Please check with your capture hardware manual to make sure you have correctly installed and setup your hardware." These are the only applications I have that should allow me to utilize the hardware as intended, so I have no idea if the underlying hardware and drivers are ok. However, I do believe the hardware itself is basically working as the DVD drive does function fine as a CDROM reader, and the video output from the Enhanced Video Adapter does drive my television (image is duplicate of LCD screen) when enabled in the "ThinkPad Configuration" manager (same idea as the external monitor - just routed out the E.V.A. card). I am hoping someone on this list has been through this and/or would share their thoughts on corective action. Thanks. Bruce. From cph Tue Dec 28 23:54:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22990 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:54:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12310; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:50:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12136; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12123; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:50:02 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-274.gate.net [199.227.173.20]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA106924; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <38699308.F4A5BF79@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:50:16 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays References: <38692D29.777E@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. that was my take on it.. dual monitors.. and i think some have done this, though i can't recall who , right this moment... Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I noticed that in the BIOS of my 770 there is a setting for one or two > displays. > What exactly does this do? I am intending to put this unit into a > SelectaDock 3 with a Voodoo card. Does this allow the LCD to work off > the internal video, and the monitor to work off the external video > simultaneouly? Or, what is the purpose? > Thanks! -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Tue Dec 28 23:58:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA23002 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:58:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12711; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12388; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12375; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:45 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-274.gate.net [199.227.173.20]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA115984; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <386993E2.84BAAD1C@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: IBM ftp disappearing? (was: Re: BIOS upgrade breaks Linux boot) References: <386842F8.E7756B56@icanect.net> <000f01bf5107$36d03960$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't think "THEY" intend to do less for older thinkpads.. the FTP site has been up for years and all older versions of everything was there.. i suppose all support in the way of bios updates and so on will now be at the current site.. but, i suppose, no more old versions of bios's and such like.. which is sad since some need these.. SO, i guess it has come down to the fact that we should all archive some of these older versions.. David Ross wrote: > Bill said: > > the older bios versions are on the IBM FTP site.. > > they keep everything, back to the first bios update for the 750.. > > or they used to, anyway.. > > and i just found a message saying that the site was no longer being > updated.. as > > of 11/12/99 and will be gone after 12/20/99 > > Yikes! What does that mean - do they plan to stop supporting older machines? > This would be a > disaster! (Not least - I suspect - for brand loyalty among ThinkPad > owners...) > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 29 00:00:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23030 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:00:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12953; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:55:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12547; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12534; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:55:25 -0500 Received: from ken (249.new-york-21-22rs.ny.dial-access.att.net [12.79.2.249]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23108 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:55:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991228225844.00cd4e30@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:53:22 -0500 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: TP 600X vs. Dell Lattitude CPx (was: TP390X vs. TP600), and poor screen expansion mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Here's a summary of my findings, looking into the Thinkpad 600, 390, and Dell Lattitude CPx 500. I was looking to choose a new work laptop, to replace my Compaq Armada 6500. The choices appeared to be the Thinkpad 600 and Thinkpad 390X. The 390X is a huge, heavy machine. Otherwise, it seemed excellent. The 600X is very compact and light (5 pounds), and has a 12gb hard drive. Unfortunately, it only has a 13.3" display (which my eyes notice as being smaller than the 14.1" I'm used to), and 4MB of video RAM. The screen expansion mode (when you're in a low resolution mode, i.e. in DOS mode, and you don't want to just have a little rectangle of your screen being used) looks awful on the 600E that I tried (which only has 2.5MB of RAM). I can't believe how poorly IBM implemented this feature. (On my 770ED, the screen expansion mode is OK. On my Compaq 6500, the screen expansion mode is completely perfect.) If the 600X is the same, this is an unfortunate drawback. The speakers are terribly located (they are exactly where your palms rest while you're typing), so a) the sound is muffled if you're actively using the machine, and b) surely things will fall into the large holes above the speakers, over time. They don't sound great, but they're OK. My alternative is a Dell Lattitude CPx 500MHz. It has the 14.1" display and 8MB of video RAM; unfortunately, it only has a 6.4gb hard drive, and it's not nearly as compact, or light. Plus, I'm not sure how the combination pointing stick/touchpad is. (I really love the Thinkpad's pointing sticks, and the 600X has the third button for scrolling.) And, I have little experience with Dell laptops, whereas I'm comfortable with Thinkpads (via my 770ED experience). (FYI, these particular machines are being considered because they're the current standard machines at my workplace.) If anyone has any more insight into this (including any hope for the terrible screen expansion I witnessed on the 600E - is it any better on the 600X?), I'd certainly appreciate it. I'll probably be making the final decision within the next day. Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Wed Dec 29 00:53:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23280 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:53:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14994; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14897; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14881; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:23 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.49]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991229055020.EUOQ5516@compaq>; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3869CB31.158D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:49:53 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bourdon, Bruce" CC: "thinkpad@cs. utk. edu (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Enhanced Video Adapter & DVD problems. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Someone else will have to give the full details, but there were TWO enhanced video adaptors. One for the 770/770E/770ED, the other for the 770X and above. I don't remember if they were forward or backward compatible. You may have bought the wrong one for your machine. As an aside, I sell new Margi DVD to GO cards, which WILL work on your machine! Contact me off list if you would like to buy one, this would solve your immediate problem (no capture, though. Just DVD and VideoCD). And yes, TV output of the DVD also. Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > > Background: > I have a TP 770 (no suffix, just plain 770) running Win95. > > I recently purchased a DVD drive and the enhanced video adapter (no related > software came preloaded on my system). > > After installing hardware noticed a memo that came with the video adapter > card stating "for the 770, do not use the drivers on the supplied CD; these > drivers are intended for the 770x and 770xd only. Instead download the > latest video capture driver diskette from: > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html" were I found many > different files ready to download... > > Downloaded all relevant files, extracted and followed supplied installation > instructions. > > Current Status: > At this point Windows seems "happy" with the hardware and drivers (they are > listed in the ControlPanel-System and Multimedia sections, all settings > there appear ok), yet niether IBMs' "SoftDvD" application nor the video > capture tool from Asymetrixs' "Digital Video Producer" are working. > > SoftDvD reports "Error IBM MPEG: Failed to perform stream creation with VPN" > when the play button is clicked (the DVD does spin up with a message of > "Loading Software" just before this message is displayed). > > Digital Video Producer reports "Initialization Error: A problem was > encountered initializing the DVP capture tool. Please check with your > capture hardware manual to make sure you have correctly installed and setup > your hardware." > > These are the only applications I have that should allow me to utilize the > hardware as intended, so I have no idea if the underlying hardware and > drivers are ok. > > However, I do believe the hardware itself is basically working as the DVD > drive does function fine as a CDROM reader, and the video output from the > Enhanced Video Adapter does drive my television (image is duplicate of LCD > screen) when enabled in the "ThinkPad Configuration" manager (same idea as > the external monitor - just routed out the E.V.A. card). > > I am hoping someone on this list has been through this and/or would share > their thoughts on corective action. > > Thanks. > Bruce. From cph Wed Dec 29 00:58:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23284 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:58:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15333; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15259; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15246; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:56 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01173; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199912290556.AAA01173@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38699308.F4A5BF79@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Dec 28, 99 11:50:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always the primary screen. Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to RC2, which is the last time I tried it. I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. This setting may have other effects related to an external video card in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. tim > Bruce.. > that was my take on it.. > dual monitors.. > and i think some have done this, though i can't recall who , right this > moment... > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > I noticed that in the BIOS of my 770 there is a setting for one or two > > displays. > > What exactly does this do? I am intending to put this unit into a > > SelectaDock 3 with a Voodoo card. Does this allow the LCD to work off > > the internal video, and the monitor to work off the external video > > simultaneouly? Or, what is the purpose? > > Thanks! > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > From cph Wed Dec 29 00:58:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23288 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:58:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15444; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15359; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15346; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:57:08 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.49]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991229055706.EVPT5516@compaq>; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:57:06 +0000 Message-ID: <3869CCC7.3CBE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:56:39 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: TP 600X vs. Dell Lattitude CPx (was: TP390X vs. TP600), and poor screen expansion mode References: <4.2.0.58.19991228225844.00cd4e30@mail.ny.viant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You might want to consider the Compaq Armada 1750. It has the ATI RAGE PRO LT video card (4 MB, but it is AGP and uses system memory for a frame buffer, so it runs everything I have tried so far), 3D video, PERFECT screen expansion, heavy, touchpad, one year warranty. You can upgrade the warranty for $88.00 to three years, and the one problem I had was resolved instantly by Tech support (they sent me a new DVD drive overnite, even though it was an added option and not even standard with the system). It is available in a 14.1" screen It is also a three spindle machine (hard drive, floppy, and CD/DVD all run internally at once. The floppy is in an "ultra bay", which can take a second battery, zip drive, second hard drive etc. Anyway, I like ThinkPads, but I had to have one of these for the 3D video and nice screen expansion capability. So, just a thought. BTW, I think the video card in the 600 is really a weak sister, considering what Dell and Compaq have to offer now. Ken wrote: > > Here's a summary of my findings, looking into the Thinkpad 600, 390, and Dell Lattitude CPx 500. > > I was looking to choose a new work laptop, to replace my Compaq Armada 6500. The choices appeared to be the Thinkpad 600 and Thinkpad 390X. > > The 390X is a huge, heavy machine. Otherwise, it seemed excellent. > > The 600X is very compact and light (5 pounds), and has a 12gb hard drive. Unfortunately, it only has a 13.3" display (which my eyes notice as being smaller than the 14.1" I'm used to), and 4MB of video RAM. > > The screen expansion mode (when you're in a low resolution mode, i.e. in DOS mode, and you don't want to just have a little rectangle of your screen being used) looks awful on the 600E that I tried (which only has 2.5MB of RAM). I can't believe how poorly IBM implemented this feature. (On my 770ED, the screen expansion mode is OK. On my Compaq 6500, the screen expansion mode is completely perfect.) If the 600X is the same, this is an unfortunate drawback. > > The speakers are terribly located (they are exactly where your palms rest while you're typing), so a) the sound is muffled if you're actively using the machine, and b) surely things will fall into the large holes above the speakers, over time. They don't sound great, but they're OK. > > My alternative is a Dell Lattitude CPx 500MHz. It has the 14.1" display and 8MB of video RAM; unfortunately, it only has a 6.4gb hard drive, and it's not nearly as compact, or light. Plus, I'm not sure how the combination pointing stick/touchpad is. (I really love the Thinkpad's pointing sticks, and the 600X has the third button for scrolling.) And, I have little experience with Dell laptops, whereas I'm comfortable with Thinkpads (via my 770ED experience). > > (FYI, these particular machines are being considered because they're the current standard machines at my workplace.) > > If anyone has any more insight into this (including any hope for the terrible screen expansion I witnessed on the 600E - is it any better on the 600X?), I'd certainly appreciate it. I'll probably be making the final decision within the next day. > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com From cph Wed Dec 29 01:01:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA23308 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:01:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15788; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:00:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15714; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15701; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:00:17 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.49]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991229060015.EWDI5516@compaq>; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:00:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3869CD84.4ECA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:59:48 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays References: <199912290556.AAA01173@caliban.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am not sure I understand this, What would be the purpose of having two monitors that run off the same video card (I mean, we already have this, right). What am I missing here? And does it worknin W95 OSR2, since it is in the BIOS, which in my machine is earlier than the realease of W98? Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system > to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, > "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE > on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor > support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although > colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video > memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always > the primary screen. > > Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to > RC2, which is the last time I tried it. > > I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. > > This setting may have other effects related to an external video card > in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. > > tim > > > Bruce.. > > that was my take on it.. > > dual monitors.. > > and i think some have done this, though i can't recall who , right this > > moment... > > > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > I noticed that in the BIOS of my 770 there is a setting for one or two > > > displays. > > > What exactly does this do? I am intending to put this unit into a > > > SelectaDock 3 with a Voodoo card. Does this allow the LCD to work off > > > the internal video, and the monitor to work off the external video > > > simultaneouly? Or, what is the purpose? > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > From cph Wed Dec 29 10:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24790 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:08:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09802; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:06:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09683; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09670; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:06:01 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax13.vramp.net [198.138.8.76]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03114; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:05:38 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Denis Hall" Cc: Subject: RE: SelectaDocks are for PCI based units only... Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001601bf5077$55e710c0$3748abd0@denhall> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Denis, Denis Hall [mailto:denhall@ismi.net] wrote: > the SelectaDock series is only for use with the PCI based ThinkPads. > > So...none of the 360/750/755 series laptops will work in the > SelectaDocks....And, the ISA based 760's (760C, 760CD, 760L, 760LD) will not > work in the SelectaDocks either... DOH!!! Shoot! Oh well, FOR SALE! SelectaBase 1 and SelectaDock 1. Good condition. Make offer. Denis, have any 755 hard drives? Looking for bigger than 1 Gig. Do you have anything I can use in either of my 600s? I'm looking for a 2 to 4 Gig drive to use as I play with Linux. Cheap! :-) Warm regards, James the Elder From cph Wed Dec 29 10:11:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24803 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:11:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10039; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09966; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09953; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:10:25 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-130.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.130]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA50381 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:55:43 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912291455.QAA50381@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:06:11 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: keyboard with Thinkpad "look & feel" X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: I had been looking for a keyboard with the Thinkpad "look & feel" and asked for comments a while ago on this list about IBM's "87-Key Space Saver II" offering. Daniel Basterfield pointed out (thanks Daniel!) that there's a company called UniComp located in Lexington which manufactures a "Mighty Mouse" keyboard, which appears to be a clone of the IBM keyboard. Well, I placed an order for the said keyboard and just received it today. On the plus side, the company was very friendly to deal with and they were even able to offer a keyboard variant with the Finnish/Swedish layout; the keyboard is slightly wider than my TP560, it feels exactly like it and it features a built-in trackpoint. Although it was expensive ($99), the Mighty Mouse costs significantly less that the true blue version (which, if I remember correctly, had a list price of $165). On the minus side, I couldn't get it in black (only available for the US and mainstream language layouts) and the trackpoint cap is green (but I do have spare red ones for my Thinkpads). Highly recommanded for people who like the feel of their ThinkPad keyboards. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Dec 29 13:33:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25899 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:33:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16661; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16577; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16553; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:05 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax13.vramp.net [198.138.8.76]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18204 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:31:03 -0500 (EST) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Subject: SelectaDock is SOLD! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > Oh well, FOR SALE! SelectaBase 1 and SelectaDock 1. Good condition. > Make offer. The SelectaBase and SelectaDock are sold folks. Thanks for the interest. James From cph Wed Dec 29 14:51:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26290 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:51:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20414; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20179; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20158; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:29 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13469; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:22 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199912291947.OAA13469@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:47:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: tim@dogmead.com, penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3869CD84.4ECA@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowitz" at Dec 29, 99 00:59:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > I am not sure I understand this, What would be the purpose of having two > monitors that run off the same video card (I mean, we already have this, > right). What am I missing here? And does it worknin W95 OSR2, since it > is in the BIOS, which in my machine is earlier than the realease of W98? The difference is that this allows two different images to be displayed on the LCD and the external monitor, rather than the same video image. It's like having two video cards in the machine, with one driving the LCD, and one driving the external monitor. The "multiple monitor support" in Windows 2000 and Win98 allows you to have a desktop that spans more than one display. New application windows typically appear on the "primary" display, but can be dragged to other monitors. Individual windows can even span more than one display. I think that some games will take advantage of multiple monitor support (eg. Flight Simulator might display the instrument panel on one monitor, and the exterior view on another one). Normally to use this feature, you need two or more video adapters. But the Trident chipset used in the 770 series allows the frame buffer memory to be split between the two video outputs (LCD and external monitor). tim > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system > > to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, > > "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE > > on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor > > support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although > > colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video > > memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always > > the primary screen. > > > > Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to > > RC2, which is the last time I tried it. > > > > I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. > > > > This setting may have other effects related to an external video card > > in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. > > > > tim From cph Wed Dec 29 14:57:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26321 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:57:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21193; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20909; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20896; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (198.206.134.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:18 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-469.gate.net [199.227.173.215]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA51674; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:07 -0500 Message-ID: <386A66E9.11C605ED@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:17 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays References: <199912291947.OAA13469@caliban.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YIKES..!!! this is a new one on me..!! :-) you are are saying that you can drive two monitors from one 770 without using a dock and additional video card..? this is one trick i must try.. :-) anything else i should know to implement this..?? Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > I am not sure I understand this, What would be the purpose of having two > > monitors that run off the same video card (I mean, we already have this, > > right). What am I missing here? And does it worknin W95 OSR2, since it > > is in the BIOS, which in my machine is earlier than the realease of W98? > > The difference is that this allows two different images to be displayed > on the LCD and the external monitor, rather than the same video image. > It's like having two video cards in the machine, with one driving > the LCD, and one driving the external monitor. > > The "multiple monitor support" in Windows 2000 and Win98 allows you > to have a desktop that spans more than one display. New application > windows typically appear on the "primary" display, but can be dragged > to other monitors. Individual windows can even span more than one > display. I think that some games will take advantage of multiple > monitor support (eg. Flight Simulator might display the instrument > panel on one monitor, and the exterior view on another one). > > Normally to use this feature, you need two or more video adapters. > But the Trident chipset used in the 770 series allows the frame buffer > memory to be split between the two video outputs (LCD and external monitor). > > tim > > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > > Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system > > > to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, > > > "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE > > > on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor > > > support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although > > > colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video > > > memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always > > > the primary screen. > > > > > > Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to > > > RC2, which is the last time I tried it. > > > > > > I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. > > > > > > This setting may have other effects related to an external video card > > > in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. > > > > > > tim -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Wed Dec 29 15:06:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26365 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:06:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22030; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:03:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21815; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from qtm.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21802; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from qtm.net (216.163.32.4 -> borg.qtm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:03:22 -0500 Received: from qtm.net (ct4-02.qtm.net [204.95.234.131]) by qtm.net (8.9.3-QTM/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA63022 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <386A699B.C55A3222@qtm.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:05:48 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 701CS parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for the lid (with the hinges) for a 701C ThinkPad. Any pointers on source for parts, other than Ive Been Mauled, is appreciated. Edward From cph Wed Dec 29 15:14:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26434 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:14:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22633; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:10:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22513; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22499; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:10:55 -0500 Received: from tp701 (96-178.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.178]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA51282 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:56:10 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199912291956.VAA51282@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:12:31 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <386A699B.C55A3222@qtm.net> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701CS parts X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 at 03:05 PM you, Edward Pomeroy , said: >I am looking for the lid (with the hinges) for a 701C ThinkPad. Any >pointers on source for parts, other than Ive Been Mauled, is appreciated. There are lots of 701's auctioned on eBay, including non-working ones (which obviously are rather cheap). You may find one you could cannibalize. I bought a perfectly working one last September just because I'd hate to lose my beloved 701C and I know IBM sells the original parts at outrageous prices. HTH, Dominique From cph Wed Dec 29 15:45:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26566 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24047; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23944; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23931; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:18 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14295; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:12 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199912292042.PAA14295@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:42:12 -0500 (EST) Cc: tim@dogmead.com, scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <386A66E9.11C605ED@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Dec 29, 99 02:54:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > YIKES..!!! > this is a new one on me..!! :-) > > you are are saying that you can drive two monitors from one 770 > without using a dock and additional video card..? Yes, exactly. > this is one trick i must try.. :-) > > anything else i should know to implement this..?? Hm, it's been a while since I set this up, but I recall it being relatively painless, with only a little experimentation required. Things that might be worth keeping in mind: - the external monitor probably needs to be attached before you power on. - the BIOS setting has to be on the "multiple display" setting. The 770X user manual describes how to actually enable the secondary display (the LCD) under Win98, and provides a few gotchas and limitations. In particular: - certain video mode restrictions exist - DOS full screen works only on the primary display - screen expansion is disabled - DVD playback isn't supported (darn) - you have to remember to disable the multiple monitor support before disconnecting the external monitor. This is also a bit of a pain. The Win98 online documentation describes some of this, too, I think. The only glitch I recall is having to try a couple of times before the LCD actually got turned on as the secondary display. But this was on a plain 770 (ie. not an E or later) which may be a factor. tim > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > I am not sure I understand this, What would be the purpose of having two > > > monitors that run off the same video card (I mean, we already have this, > > > right). What am I missing here? And does it worknin W95 OSR2, since it > > > is in the BIOS, which in my machine is earlier than the realease of W98? > > > > The difference is that this allows two different images to be displayed > > on the LCD and the external monitor, rather than the same video image. > > It's like having two video cards in the machine, with one driving > > the LCD, and one driving the external monitor. > > > > The "multiple monitor support" in Windows 2000 and Win98 allows you > > to have a desktop that spans more than one display. New application > > windows typically appear on the "primary" display, but can be dragged > > to other monitors. Individual windows can even span more than one > > display. I think that some games will take advantage of multiple > > monitor support (eg. Flight Simulator might display the instrument > > panel on one monitor, and the exterior view on another one). > > > > Normally to use this feature, you need two or more video adapters. > > But the Trident chipset used in the 770 series allows the frame buffer > > memory to be split between the two video outputs (LCD and external monitor). > > > > tim > > > > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system > > > > to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, > > > > "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE > > > > on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor > > > > support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although > > > > colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video > > > > memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always > > > > the primary screen. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to > > > > RC2, which is the last time I tried it. > > > > > > > > I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. > > > > > > > > This setting may have other effects related to an external video card > > > > in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. > > > > > > > > tim > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > From cph Wed Dec 29 15:59:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26617 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:59:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25023; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:56:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24908; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24894; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:56:26 -0500 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JK2T7XWC7495MOGY@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:36 CST Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: enhanced video adapter To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have the Digital Video Producer CD package that comes with the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter ?? I just got a camcorder for christmas and eager to use the capture feature on the thinkpad. Problem is I couldnt find my copy of the digital video producer cd, must have lost it while moving last fall. I already called easy serve and they do not have the replacement cd fo rme. If someone would be kind enough to make me a copy of that program I would be happy to pay for shipping, blank cd..etc and also a small fee for their time. Thank you so much, John From cph Wed Dec 29 16:34:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26773 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:34:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26378; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26300; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26286; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:44 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.144]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991229213141.FQPP1914@compaq>; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:41 +0000 Message-ID: <386AA7D1.1EFF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:31:14 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: enhanced video adapter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can download video capture software from the Microsoft web site that uses the same engine that all the others are based on. It is free. Don't have the URL, you'll need to search Jon wrote: > > Does anyone have the Digital Video Producer CD package that comes > with > the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter ?? I just got a camcorder for christmas and > eager to use the capture feature on the thinkpad. Problem is I couldnt > find my copy of the digital video producer cd, must have lost it while > moving last fall. > > I already called easy serve and they do not have the replacement cd > fo rme. If someone would be kind enough to make me a copy of that program > I would be happy to pay for shipping, blank cd..etc and also a small fee > for their time. > > Thank you so much, > John From cph Wed Dec 29 16:34:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26779 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:34:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26503; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26421; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26408; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:35 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.144]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991229213233.FQUX1914@compaq>; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:32:33 +0000 Message-ID: <386AA805.1523@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:32:05 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays References: <199912292042.PAA14295@caliban.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does this mean I can use the VooDoo card in my docking station and the internal LCD all at the same time? 3DFX games on the monitor, blank screen on the LCD? Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > YIKES..!!! > > this is a new one on me..!! :-) > > > > you are are saying that you can drive two monitors from one 770 > > without using a dock and additional video card..? > > Yes, exactly. > > > this is one trick i must try.. :-) > > > > anything else i should know to implement this..?? > > Hm, it's been a while since I set this up, but I recall it being relatively > painless, with only a little experimentation required. Things that might > be worth keeping in mind: > > - the external monitor probably needs to be attached before you power on. > - the BIOS setting has to be on the "multiple display" setting. > > The 770X user manual describes how to actually enable the secondary > display (the LCD) under Win98, and provides a few gotchas and limitations. > In particular: > - certain video mode restrictions exist > - DOS full screen works only on the primary display > - screen expansion is disabled > - DVD playback isn't supported (darn) > - you have to remember to disable the multiple monitor support before > disconnecting the external monitor. This is also a bit of a pain. > > The Win98 online documentation describes some of this, too, I think. > > The only glitch I recall is having to try a couple of times before the > LCD actually got turned on as the secondary display. But this was on a > plain 770 (ie. not an E or later) which may be a factor. > > tim > > > > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > > I am not sure I understand this, What would be the purpose of having two > > > > monitors that run off the same video card (I mean, we already have this, > > > > right). What am I missing here? And does it worknin W95 OSR2, since it > > > > is in the BIOS, which in my machine is earlier than the realease of W98? > > > > > > The difference is that this allows two different images to be displayed > > > on the LCD and the external monitor, rather than the same video image. > > > It's like having two video cards in the machine, with one driving > > > the LCD, and one driving the external monitor. > > > > > > The "multiple monitor support" in Windows 2000 and Win98 allows you > > > to have a desktop that spans more than one display. New application > > > windows typically appear on the "primary" display, but can be dragged > > > to other monitors. Individual windows can even span more than one > > > display. I think that some games will take advantage of multiple > > > monitor support (eg. Flight Simulator might display the instrument > > > panel on one monitor, and the exterior view on another one). > > > > > > Normally to use this feature, you need two or more video adapters. > > > But the Trident chipset used in the 770 series allows the frame buffer > > > memory to be split between the two video outputs (LCD and external monitor). > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this feature allows using the ThinkPad internal video system > > > > > to drive the LCD and an external monitor independently -- that is, > > > > > "multiple monitor support" under Win98. I've tried this under Win98 SE > > > > > on my 770, and it appears to work. It's very nice to have multiple monitor > > > > > support without having to resort to a docking station solution, although > > > > > colour depth and/or resolution can be limited, depending on the video > > > > > memory size. One minor irritation is that the external display is always > > > > > the primary screen. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this does not work in Windows 2000, at least not up to > > > > > RC2, which is the last time I tried it. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that some of the 390 series machines have this feature as well. > > > > > > > > > > This setting may have other effects related to an external video card > > > > > in a docking station, but I haven't experimented with this. > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > > From cph Wed Dec 29 16:40:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26834 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:40:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27366; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:36 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27209; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:36 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id QAA21220 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ubishops.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15103; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ubishops.ca (192.197.190.5 -> Mail.ubishops.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:09:16 -0500 Received: from ubishops.ca (Winswap.ubishops.ca [199.84.63.5]) by Mail.ubishops.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14567; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:44:07 -0500 Received: from WINSWAP/SpoolDir by ubishops.ca (Mercury 1.46); 29 Dec 99 12:44:11 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by WINSWAP (Mercury 1.46); 29 Dec 99 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (206.172.104.107) by ubishops.ca (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 29 Dec 99 12:43:32 -0500 Received: from mail.com (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21931; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:42:43 -0500 Sender: root@localhost.localdomain Message-ID: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:42:41 -0500 From: Thomas Hood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-ir-th i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-thinkpad@www.bm-soft.com, linux-tp600@icemark.ch, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: announcement: tpctl 0.7.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: tpctl is a package of ThinkPad configuration tools for Linux. tpctl 0.7.6 is a candidate for release as tpctl 0.8.0 . Get it via http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/tpctlhome.htm . Changes since 0.6.1: o Added man page o Modified kernel modules to support 2.3.x kernel /proc filesystem interface o Now install modules to /lib/modules//thinkpad o Moved module /proc files into /proc/thinkpad directory o Incorporated ntpctl into the package o Added tpctlir and ubswap utilities to the package o Added a few functions to libsmapidev o Updated TROUBLESHOOTING file o Moved source files, etc., into subdirectories o No longer install tpctlify o Abandoned RPM release medium. -- Thomas Hood jdthood@mail.com From cph Wed Dec 29 16:40:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26830 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:40:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27371; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:36 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27203; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:38:30 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id QAA21205 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ubishops.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15056; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ubishops.ca (192.197.190.5 -> Mail.ubishops.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:07:54 -0500 Received: from ubishops.ca (Winswap.ubishops.ca [199.84.63.5]) by Mail.ubishops.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14586; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:45:41 -0500 Received: from WINSWAP/SpoolDir by ubishops.ca (Mercury 1.46); 29 Dec 99 12:45:40 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by WINSWAP (Mercury 1.46); 29 Dec 99 12:45:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (206.172.104.107) by ubishops.ca (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP; 29 Dec 99 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from mail.com (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21948; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:44:32 -0500 Sender: root@localhost.localdomain Message-ID: <386A4880.D054F09D@mail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:44:32 -0500 From: Thomas Hood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-ir-th i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-thinkpad@www.bm-soft.com, linux-tp600@icemark.ch, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: announcement: tpctl 0.7.6 References: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I wrote: > Get it via http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/tpctlhome.htm . Oops. I meant: http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~thood/tpctlhome.htm . -- Thomas Hood From cph Wed Dec 29 18:24:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27177 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:24:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02001; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:22:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01897; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01884; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.141 -> mta3.snfc21.pbi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:22:47 -0500 Received: from dan ([209.233.224.66]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with SMTP id <0FNI005OLZIGFQ@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:20:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:16:02 -0800 From: Dan Galender Subject: Subscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: From cph Wed Dec 29 19:59:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27449 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:59:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05445; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05343; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05330; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:39 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-52.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.66]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA72440 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991229195747.00a7e9a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:57:47 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Of interest to some of you 770 folk? In-Reply-To: <386A4880.D054F09D@mail.com> References: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: In my wanderings among surplus electronics places today, I happened to find a source for a 770 battery, listed as: Original Li-Ion Battery For Thinkpad 770 , 770E, 770D, 770ED series FRU # 12J0433 ASM# 83h6193 The price is $139.00. I do not know if these are system pulls, or new, or what else they might be. The site is Centrix International; I got their url from a friend of mine who has ordered from them with success in the past. Thats all I know about the company. The battery looks like a possible winner so I am posting it here for any battery afficinados to drool over. ...If anyone finds cheap IBM batteries for the i series 1480 or 1451, do let me know. ;-) The battery into is at http://www.centrix-intl.com/list.asp?CategoryID=12 --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu From cph Wed Dec 29 21:21:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27771 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:21:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08457; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08306; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08293; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:03 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-52.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.66]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA21902 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991229211912.008699d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:19:12 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Of interest to 701 folk? In-Reply-To: <386A4880.D054F09D@mail.com> References: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Normally I can go months without seeing any IBM ThinkPad related stuff, but tonight I've found two. (it was more or less agreed that this kind of thing was useful to the group, wasn't it?) A place called HiTechCafe.com is selling to modei, the first of which I have no clue, but the second I'm pretty sure I bought once, for a lot more than $30. I've only been handed the url to this place; I can't say anything about them. WIRELESS MODEM FOR CELLULAR 14.4BPS+ $5.00 Item #: 25H4775 Manufacturer: IBM THINK PAD 14.4 DATA/FAX MODEM NEW $30.00 Item #: TP701C Manufacturer: IBM The url to the page with this is http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/dept.asp?dept_id=9 --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu From cph Wed Dec 29 22:34:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28072 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:34:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11267; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11117; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11103; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:09 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20141; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199912300331.WAA20141@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:31:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: tim@dogmead.com, penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <386AA805.1523@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowitz" at Dec 29, 99 04:32:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Does this mean I can use the VooDoo card in my docking station and the > internal LCD all at the same time? 3DFX games on the monitor, blank > screen on the LCD? In theory, this setup might allow three separate display screen images under Windows 98: 1) LCD driven by the ThinkPad internal video 2) External monitor #1 driven by the ThinkPad internal video 3) External monitor #2 driven by the Voodoo card in the docking station. In practice, I don't know. Not all video card combinations work with the Win98 multiple monitor feature; you'd have to check Microsoft's hardware compatibility documentation for further information. tim From cph Thu Dec 30 03:14:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29100 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:14:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19971; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:11:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19800; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19786; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:11:17 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA17166; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:11:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004401bf529d$7f490c20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Edward Pomeroy" , References: <386A699B.C55A3222@qtm.net> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701CS parts Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:11:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I am looking for the lid (with the hinges) for a 701C ThinkPad. Any > pointers on source for parts, other than Ive Been Mauled, is > appreciated. They still seem to have the cheap 701s ($170) at www.intellesale.com; you could buy one and cannibalize it. - David R. From cph Thu Dec 30 08:56:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30155 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:56:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06979; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06903; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-3.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06883; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-3.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.43 -> mail-3.sjc.telocity.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:11 -0500 Received: from ibm.net (dsl-216-227-31-61.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.31.61]) by mail-3.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14829; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 05:53:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <386B62BE.4930292D@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:48:47 -0600 From: Jeff Fayne Reply-To: fayne@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: AC Adapter PN41H9722 for 4x CDROM on Ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, I have a new in the box AC adapter for auction on Ebay. It was ordered in error cannot be returned. It's currently at $1.00 and will sell for whatever it goes for, thought someone here might have a need for it. See it at : http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=225640745 Thanks and have a safe New Years... Jeff From cph Thu Dec 30 11:20:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30822 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:19:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13083; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13000; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12987; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:34 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12208; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <386B85A5.9E9CAA97@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:17:41 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Of interest to some of you 770 folk? References: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> <3.0.6.32.19991229195747.00a7e9a0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Those are new bulk pack batteries.. i will have the same available.. same price.. i'll be getting a case as soon as UPS gets off their behinds.. :-) the only possible glitch is the manufacture date is in early and mid 1998.. STeve Andre' wrote: > In my wanderings among surplus electronics places today, I happened > to find a source for a 770 battery, listed as: > > Original Li-Ion Battery For Thinkpad 770 , 770E, 770D, 770ED series FRU # > 12J0433 ASM# 83h6193 > > The price is $139.00. I do not know if these are system pulls, or new, or > what else they might be. > > The site is Centrix International; I got their url from a friend of mine > who has ordered from them with success in the past. Thats all I know about > the company. The battery looks like a possible winner so I am posting it > here for any battery afficinados to drool over. ...If anyone finds cheap > IBM batteries for the i series 1480 or 1451, do let me know. ;-) > > The battery into is at http://www.centrix-intl.com/list.asp?CategoryID=12 > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 11:20:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30829 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13191; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13103; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13090; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:16 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA62666; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <386B85D2.74B37CEA@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:18:27 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: enhanced video adapter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon.. i have at least one of these SOMEPLACE.. its too trivial to charge you.. just buy something, sometime.. :-) just be patient while i look for the CD's.. if someone else has this at hand, please feel free to jump it here.. Jon wrote: > Does anyone have the Digital Video Producer CD package that comes > with > the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter ?? I just got a camcorder for christmas and > eager to use the capture feature on the thinkpad. Problem is I couldnt > find my copy of the digital video producer cd, must have lost it while > moving last fall. > > I already called easy serve and they do not have the replacement cd > fo rme. If someone would be kind enough to make me a copy of that program > I would be happy to pay for shipping, blank cd..etc and also a small fee > for their time. > > Thank you so much, > John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 11:24:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30851 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:24:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13691; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13618; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13605; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:39 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA107586; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:31 -0500 Message-ID: <386B86DB.DC48008@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:22:51 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 BIOS question - two displays now 3 displays?! References: <199912300331.WAA20141@caliban.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IRT 3 displays.. FWIW, i had mucho trouble trying to get three running on either of two different desktop boxes.. i DID have it working once, but once only.. so now i have two IBM flat panels on one machine and an h/p flat panel and a philips flat panel (do NOT get a philips flat panel!) on another box.. i have not tried three displays using win98SE.. yet.. :-) also note these motherboards are AGP and i'm using some older video cards.. Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > Does this mean I can use the VooDoo card in my docking station and the > > internal LCD all at the same time? 3DFX games on the monitor, blank > > screen on the LCD? > > In theory, this setup might allow three separate display screen images > under Windows 98: > > 1) LCD driven by the ThinkPad internal video > 2) External monitor #1 driven by the ThinkPad internal video > 3) External monitor #2 driven by the Voodoo card in the docking station. > > In practice, I don't know. Not all video card combinations work with > the Win98 multiple monitor feature; you'd have to check Microsoft's > hardware compatibility documentation for further information. > > tim -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 11:26:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30864 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:26:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14054; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:25:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13980; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13951; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (198.206.134.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:24:57 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA81532 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <386B876B.C66F2DF@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:25:15 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 770 successor non-existant? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: theres a string i started on my web site confrence dealing with this issue... i got some info that there may NOT be a successor to the 770.. the 600 and 390 are to fill that need.. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 11:33:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30924 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:33:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14742; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:31:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14668; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14653; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:31:53 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA145198; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <386B88BA.C5152E94@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:30:50 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Of interest to 701 folk? References: <386A4811.DE54413E@mail.com> <3.0.6.32.19991229211912.008699d0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: very interesting.. those are the internal modems for the 701.. this guy probably got them for $1 each.. if any of you need a new modem, this is the guy to see..!! and you electronic engineer types out there might get a few and see if they can be upgraded to something a bit faster.. :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > Normally I can go months without seeing any IBM ThinkPad related > stuff, but tonight I've found two. > > (it was more or less agreed that this kind of thing was useful to > the group, wasn't it?) > > A place called HiTechCafe.com is selling to modei, the first of > which I have no clue, but the second I'm pretty sure I bought > once, for a lot more than $30. > > I've only been handed the url to this place; I can't say anything > about them. > > WIRELESS MODEM FOR CELLULAR 14.4BPS+ > $5.00 Item #: 25H4775 Manufacturer: IBM > > THINK PAD 14.4 DATA/FAX MODEM NEW > $30.00 Item #: TP701C Manufacturer: IBM > > The url to the page with this is > http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/dept.asp?dept_id=9 > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 11:39:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30940 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:39:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15245; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15167; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15154; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (198.206.134.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:10 -0500 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-262.gate.net [199.227.173.8]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17458 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:35:54 -0500 Message-ID: <386B8A48.C0F26E89@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:37:28 -0500 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 770 successor non-existent..! References: <386B876B.C66F2DF@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i know, i know.. i can't spell! :-) Bill Morrow wrote: > theres a string i started on my web site confrence dealing with this > issue... > > i got some info that there may NOT be a successor to the 770.. > the 600 and 390 are to fill that need.. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 13:45:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31663 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:45:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21430; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:41:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21301; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21274; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:41:18 -0500 Received: from 770Z (1Cust219.tnt4.atl2.da.uu.net [63.22.41.219]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15465; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:40:31 -0800 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Jon" Cc: Subject: RE: enhanced video adapter Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <386B85D2.74B37CEA@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I have already copied it, and will send it today. Regards, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 11:18 AM To: Jon Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: enhanced video adapter Jon.. i have at least one of these SOMEPLACE.. its too trivial to charge you.. just buy something, sometime.. :-) just be patient while i look for the CD's.. if someone else has this at hand, please feel free to jump it here.. Jon wrote: > Does anyone have the Digital Video Producer CD package that comes > with > the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter ?? I just got a camcorder for christmas and > eager to use the capture feature on the thinkpad. Problem is I couldnt > find my copy of the digital video producer cd, must have lost it while > moving last fall. > > I already called easy serve and they do not have the replacement cd > fo rme. If someone would be kind enough to make me a copy of that program > I would be happy to pay for shipping, blank cd..etc and also a small fee > for their time. > > Thank you so much, > John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net From cph Thu Dec 30 17:39:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA00921 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:39:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01872; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01797; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01777; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:19 -0500 Received: from 216-164-134-237.s491.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.237] helo=desktop) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 123oB8-0002n6-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00de01bf5316$3c07e700$ed86a4d8@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: car adapter for 560? Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:35:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Where can I buy a car adapter for my 560? How much are they? Can I use one of those settable adapter doodahs that R Shack sells? TIA. Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph Thu Dec 30 17:52:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01032 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:52:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02885; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:49:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02781; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02768; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:49:50 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.202.59 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:49:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000201bf5317$93cb7140$3bca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Bummed Battery Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:39:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Jeez my battery problems continue. I got a replacement battery from the guy that sold me the bad one, and I asked him to charge it. I plug it in and turn on the computer with NO AC and the lights do come on, but the computer won't start. So, I plug it back in and start the computer, unplug it and it's still going. The IBM battery program still doesn't recognise it, but Norton utilities does... It's shows a battery with 255% charge. I'm thinking a IBM dual battery charger is the best way to go at this point. Any ideas? Brad From cph Thu Dec 30 21:57:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA02175 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:57:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10833; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:49:56 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10526; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:49:16 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id VAA11037 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11945; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.45) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:32:37 -0500 Received: from notebook [200.0.213.37] by dialup.com.ar [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:22:26 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: Subject: Supervisor Password Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:25:34 -0300 Message-ID: <000101bf5219$54fdc340$39fd89c6@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001a01bf508c$8be753a0$0856accf@mike> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Return-Path: leandror@emk.com.ar List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA02176 Hi, Our sales director has just fired an unloyal employee. Luckely he returned his thinkpad. Unluckely he returned it with supervisor password activated. I found how to disable the user password, but we can't access the computer because of a system failure. When we boot again and try to enter tu setup, at the password promt we get the error 183 (which means: Wrong Supervisor Password). Someone at http://welcome.to/thinkpad and http://www.putpeel.net/peel/Computronix.html, claims they can unlock it for a $250 fee. We would like to do it here because we can't send the computer nor the motherboard out of the country. Any suggestion? Thank-you in advance, Leandro From cph Thu Dec 30 23:23:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA02517 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:23:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13684; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:22:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13582; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13569; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.19 -> mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:22:19 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.16.185]) by mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991231042216.CLXX28505@compaq>; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:22:16 +0000 Message-ID: <386C5989.248F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:21:45 -0800 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leandro Rzezak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Supervisor Password References: <000101bf5219$54fdc340$39fd89c6@notebook.cvtci.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think your best bet would be to contact that ex-employee and offer him something to unlock the unit (any back pay or vacation which is owed, agree not to oppose unemployment insurance, agree not to sue him or prosecute him for destruction of company property). IBM says that you need a new motherboard. They should know! Since you know who knows the password, you should be able to deal with him in some manner to unlock the machine. After all, he did not have a right to do that. OF course, if you have a large enough company to have a sales director and fired employees (and company laptops!), just send it into IBM and pay the fee to have the MOBO replaced. What's the problem? Leandro Rzezak wrote: > > Hi, > > Our sales director has just fired an unloyal employee. Luckely he returned his thinkpad. Unluckely he returned it with supervisor password activated. > > I found how to disable the user password, but we can't access the computer because of a system failure. > When we boot again and try to enter tu setup, at the password promt we get the error 183 (which means: Wrong Supervisor Password). > > Someone at http://welcome.to/thinkpad and http://www.putpeel.net/peel/Computronix.html, claims they can unlock it for a $250 fee. We would like to do it here b > > Any suggestion? > > Thank-you in advance, > > Leandro