From cph Wed Mar 1 01:23:19 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA01775 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:23:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14577; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14494; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14480; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:11 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-337.gate.net [199.227.173.83]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20420 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 01:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <38BCB706.16A99B16@gate.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:21:58 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: w2k & the 770Z, so far, so nice..! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: with the help of a few other list members, AND after an evening messing with w2k and the 770Z, everything seems to work.. INCLUDING, but not limited to, suspend, hibernate, DVD movies and and and.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Mar 1 03:59:10 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA02290 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:59:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22370; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:56:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22212; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22199; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 03:56:30 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id AAA10003 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:55:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000301004118.04a32550@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:54:15 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: warranty? In-Reply-To: <38BC5ECF.B61FF4E1@gate.net> References: <20000229194752.17836.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> <38BC5C6F.BDC8EB25@gate.net> <38BC5DA6.5B18@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:05 PM 2/29/2000 , Bill Morrow wrote: >it IS, on occasion, impossible, to get a straight answer (or at least the >SAME answer) from IBM.. :-) Hah! Not only couldn't I get a straight answer from IBM about purchasing an extended warranty for my TP 380Z, but it took *HOURS* on the phone spread out over a number of weeks just to find out the part number and who to talk to in order to purchase it directly from IBM! They were absolutely hopeless when it came to answering any questions about the extended warranty itself (such as "Can I get the on-site service call to any major city (ie, a hotel) in the USA or just the single address where the machine was originally registered?"). When I originally purchased the ThinkPad new from PC Warehouse, I purchased an IBM extended warranty at the same time. I examined the extended warranty paperwork when it arrived and was shocked to discover that the extended warranty package I was shipped didn't even cover the model of ThinkPad that I purchased at the same time!!! It took **DAYS** to clear up the confusion and get a refund for the incorrect warranty package. Ultimately, I chose to not purchase the extended warranty for that ThinkPad. It just wasn't worth the effort. I hate to have to work THAT hard for the privilege of giving somebody my money. Don't get me wrong, I love my 380Z, but I got extremely frustrated trying to cut a path through the IBM bureaucracy. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Mar 1 08:14:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03259 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:14:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11276; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:12:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11132; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11116; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:12:11 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200003011312.IAA11116@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (206.81.128.1 -> slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:12:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 12598 invoked by alias); 1 Mar 2000 13:12:05 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 12582 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 13:12:04 -0000 Received: from adialup167.slkc.uswest.net (HELO mellor) (209.181.85.167) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 13:12:04 -0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 06:09:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Windows 98 lite Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: First of all I would like to thank all the people who sent information on the 730t (very helpful). Has anyone had experience with w98 lite? address www.98lite.net can this system be run on the 730t? From cph Wed Mar 1 09:02:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03479 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15348; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15254; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15240; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:04 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.110]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000301140202.LFOA9754.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <002201bf8386$ea0dea20$6e0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Windows 98 lite Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:03:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have not tried Win98lite but would not see why it would not work. What will work. Windows for workgroups 3.1.1 with MS DOS 6.2.2 or PC DOS 7(better, has pen support in DOS) with the correct drivers. Windows 95, again, wit the correct drivers. And OS2 warp connect, version 3 will fit in 105 megs just fine, already has drivers for pen native, the blue box is what I use, the red box seems to work also. Linux CAN fit in 105 megs and run, however I have seen no pen support. If you are running Windows 3.1 and not Windows for workgroups 3.1, flash cards are not supported,at least I have not been able to get them to work. Also, you need the correct drivers, I found on the Kodak site drivers for the Win3.1.1 set, and they work great. From cph Wed Mar 1 09:42:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03680 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:42:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18361; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:40:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18037; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18003; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (194.46.8.30 -> freenet.nireland.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:40:05 -0500 Received: from ct ([194.46.2.76]) by freenet.freenet.nireland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 9-31337L) with SMTP id AAB316 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:39:53 +0000 Message-ID: <001801bf838c$13dbdf60$4c022ec2@ct> From: c.tunnah@nireland.com (Colin Tunnah) To: Subject: For Sale: TP365XD Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:32:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: For Sale: Thinkpad 365XD 2625 GX9 P120, 40mb ram, 1gig HDD, 6x CD, 10.4" TFT screen. Purchased new from Commonside Computers UK, May 1999 so approx 2 months IBM warranty remaining. All original packing materials, and manuals. Machine is in extremely good mechanical and cosmetic condition and has been well cared for. Supplied with Targus carrying case. 400 GBP plus carriage. Please email me if interested. Thanks Colin Belfast, N.Ireland From cph Wed Mar 1 09:48:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03724 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19536; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19417; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19403; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:48:05 -0500 Received: from halveyc (halveyc.smh.com [204.5.140.154]) by exch1.smh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id F6V7R1K4; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:45:41 -0500 From: "halveyc" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: w2k & the 770Z, so far, so nice..! Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38BCB706.16A99B16@gate.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've got W2k up and running on a 770ED. The DEVA card and the W2K DVD player work great together. Plug and Play works well but you can still sense there's NT4 under the GUI interface, and it doesn't always get it right ('unknown device detected.....' where there is none!). It's working on the docking station too. I did this as an "upgrade" to NT4 so my apps would already be installed. Win98 resides on another partition. The upgrade works but it takes awhile to get a stable W2K configuration. Regards, Neil TP 770ED 600, 701c -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:22 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: w2k & the 770Z, so far, so nice..! with the help of a few other list members, AND after an evening messing with w2k and the 770Z, everything seems to work.. INCLUDING, but not limited to, suspend, hibernate, DVD movies and and and.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Mar 1 13:58:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05627 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:58:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12187; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:54:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11909; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11891; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:54:06 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.214]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000301185401.RBGY1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001501bf83af$536051c0$d60d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 730T Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:52:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: How does one get Win95 with IE on a 730?. I have found that it '95' is huge for the 105 meg drive. I have run a 400 meg drive with Win 95, but this is a much larger drive than standard. From cph Wed Mar 1 20:59:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA09198 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:59:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15170; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15035; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15022; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:40 -0500 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA27126; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:38 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA23579; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:55:20 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TFT Screen Clarity? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually intended to be a 2nd monitor). I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great either. But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of the matter is it was just not as sharp. Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. - Randy Whittle From cph Wed Mar 1 21:09:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA09273 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:09:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15910; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15834; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15805; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:08:39 -0500 Received: from prime(ilima069.lava.net[207.26.196.116]) (3580 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:08:36 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <004a01bf83ec$39296d40$fcf71eac@prime> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:08:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: --Actually no, there are some new LCD's out there that are top notch. I saw a new Compaq display out there at CompUSA that really impressed me for clarity, but IBM and Sony are supposed to be king of the hill for LCD's. IBM's T55 series are the best for the 15inch arena, and Sony has just put out one that is supposed adjusts it's pitch and brightness according to the room lighting for optimal viewing. The Sony also has a user sensor that will shut down the monitor if you are gone for more than 20 seconds, and will start up again when it senses you are in front of it again. The IBM starts at 1100 but it includes an AGP video card. The sony goes for 1350 at computers4sure but is just soooooo nifty! The Sony LCD displays are generally rated to be pretty good too. The general rule of thumb for LCD is that while you can pay less than 900 for one, you wouldn't want to because those are the muck below the barrel. Spend a couple hundred more and be thrilled with the display and your electric bill. Check out PCmags last review of the LCD crop. Happy hunting. --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Randal Whittle To: TP List Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: TFT Screen Clarity? > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually > intended to be a 2nd monitor). > > I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook > up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > either. > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of > the matter is it was just not as sharp. > > Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to > the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger > area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) > > Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything > else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? > > I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into > this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. > > - Randy Whittle > From cph Wed Mar 1 22:00:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09665 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:00:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19048; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:58:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18950; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18936; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:58:54 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13960; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:58:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003020258.SAA13960@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "rudolph wratten" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:54:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T /David Goldman List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:39:37 -0600, rudolph wratten wrote: >Hello. > >I have found that there are several dozen people who have problems >with getting the OS on 730s. What I have been doing is e-mailing >a mirror of the drives. One has Win 3.1.1 FWG and IE 4. >No compress. The other has Win 95a on it. The question is, >what works best. I have found that the only way to get a 730 on >the 'net' is by running Win 3.1. Can Win 95 run in 105 megs and >still have room for IE?. Also, David Goldman, Win 3.1 / DOS 6.2 >is 16 megs without IE. 95 is around 80/100 megs minimal install. > > Hello all, I've been busy lately, so I'm backlogged on about a month of the list email (but have been working on archive email from the list since 1997 on my 'nix box). I finally got Windows 95 installed on my 730 tonight. I used my first copy, which was on floppies, got PCMCIA and the digitizer working, etc. A big tip - don't put on Windows 95 B, aka OSR2 - if you want networking, good luck. I also have IE 3.0 on my machine, with some room to spare. Paul From cph Wed Mar 1 22:03:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09674 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:03:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19397; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:02:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19313; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19300; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:02:57 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14173; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:02:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003020302.TAA14173@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:58:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? List-Unsubscribe: I think it's that you're going from digital to analog, and then when you plug in the ext. LCD, you convert it back to digital. Not that I'm an expert in EE, but I'd imagine you might lose some signals when you have to do that many conversions, whereas the ThinkPad is digital to digital. Paul From cph Wed Mar 1 22:41:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09865 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:41:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21751; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21672; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21658; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:19 -0500 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA19940; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA02536; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:40:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000301191113.00c68580@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:37:53 -0800 To: "Tom Franklin" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? In-Reply-To: <000b01bf83ee$f426c5a0$b2586520@oscar> References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:28 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I think what you noticed with regard to the fuzzyness was the difference >between an anlog interface (Apple display) and a digital interface >(Thinkpad). Try to get a panel with a digital interface, but they typically >don't also have an analog interface such that you could hook your Thinkpad >to it. There have been a number of responses (thank you, all!), but most have centered around the difference between analog vs. digital. Is it really that much of a difference? I mean...my desktop's analog monitor looks just great--sharp text, etc. I had thought this might be more of an issue of dot pitch (I remember cheap, cheesy old 14" monitors--made by IBM no less--with an *awful* dot pitch of something like .36--they were *horribly* fuzzy). Here's my trouble: My intent is to use this as a 2nd monitor with my desktop, on a Matrox G400 "Dual Head" video card (very little room on the desktop work area, and much is already monopolized by a 21" monitor, so a flat-panel monitor seemed a reasonable choice). The G400 video card supposedly has the ability to be upgraded to drive digital TFT's, but I don't know what's involved (cost) to have it do that, nor do I know what TFT panels it will work with (compatibility--supposedly there isn't really a standardized spec, though one appears to be developing). For simplicity's sake, I had hoped to just hook up a TFT with a standard (analog) video connection, rather than trying to figure all that out. I also wanted one with Composite and/or S-Video inputs to hook up to a VCR (my desktop PC gets used for Video editing too--and one of the reasons this Apple TFT appeared to be a good choice, as it has this feature). Is such a thing possible with a digital TFT, or would the very definition of the technology preclude having such an option? Finally...any suggestions on specific models? I'm still not convinced I really need to have a digital TFT, but then again...perhaps I should quit comparing everything to the display on my Thinkpad. ;-) Thanks in advance (again), - Randy >----- Original Message ----- > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > > either. > > > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact >of > > the matter is it was just not as sharp > From cph Wed Mar 1 22:49:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09913 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:49:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22298; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22217; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22199; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:05 -0500 Received: from TP760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16405 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:45:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003020345.TAA16405@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:41:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP730 with IE and Win95 List-Unsubscribe: For proof that you can run Win95 and IE on your 730, check out this pictures: http://members.tripod.com/nabid_mabrouk/tp730/tp730_01.jpg http://members.tripod.com/nabid_mabrouk/tp730/tp730_02.jpg http://members.tripod.com/nabid_mabrouk/tp730/tp730_03.jpg Paul From cph Thu Mar 2 03:34:57 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA11065 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:34:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06497; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:33:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06368; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06355; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49 -> scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:33:32 -0500 Received: from TP760 (1Cust232.tnt1.ontario2.ca.da.uu.net [63.24.0.232]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17127; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:33:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003020833.AAA17127@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:29:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2128) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:37:53 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 07:28 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>I think what you noticed with regard to the fuzzyness was the difference >>between an anlog interface (Apple display) and a digital interface >>(Thinkpad). Try to get a panel with a digital interface, but they typically >>don't also have an analog interface such that you could hook your Thinkpad >>to it. > > There have been a number of responses (thank you, all!), but most >have centered around the difference between analog vs. digital. > > Is it really that much of a difference? I mean...my desktop's >analog monitor looks just great--sharp text, etc. I had thought this might >be more of an issue of dot pitch (I remember cheap, cheesy old 14" >monitors--made by IBM no less--with an *awful* dot pitch of something like >.36--they were *horribly* fuzzy). > Well, natively, the LCDs are already digital, so you'd have to go that extra step in conversion. CRTs are natively analog (except for the infamous Hercules TTL monitors from way back), which is why you have analog video cards. As for fuzzy monitors, I haven't been very impressed by Samsung either. I'd say hands down that Sony makes some of the best monitors - I have one for both my PowerMac and my Sun at home, and both are crisp and sharp (but I still like my ThinkPad better). From cph Thu Mar 2 08:47:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA12075 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:47:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28700; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:43:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28337; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28324; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:43:32 -0500 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.15.225]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:41:58 -0600 Message-ID: <001201bf843c$bfa48e40$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> From: bwjones@zebra.net (Bryan Jones) To: "TP List" Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:45:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I had a Viewsonic flat panel that was pretty sharp, but it all depended on which video card you used. It was very picky about video cards, some were great, some OK, and some very fuzzy. It was the worst on my Thinkpad 560Z. But that was also true of any other monitor I hooked up to the monitor port on my 560 - even my 19" Sony Trinitron - very fuzzy, really just not usable. Bryan From cph Thu Mar 2 10:24:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12744 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:24:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06082; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:21:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05847; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05834; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:21:12 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.7]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000302152110.FBWP14952@701c> for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:21:10 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01bf8454$9fd1a860$070d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Fw: TFT Screen Clarity? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:31:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Jones To: TP List Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? I have connected the z50 to a viewsonic, excellent. A 560, on the other hand, quite fuzzy. >I had a Viewsonic flat panel that was pretty sharp, but it all depended on >which video card you used. It was very picky about video cards, some were >great, some OK, and some very fuzzy. It was the worst on my Thinkpad 560Z. >But that was also true of any other monitor I hooked up to the monitor port >on my 560 - even my 19" Sony Trinitron - very fuzzy, really just not usable. > >Bryan > From cph Thu Mar 2 10:37:15 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12832 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:37:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07324; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:34:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07121; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07108; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:34:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA11271; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:34:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:34:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Jackowski To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually > intended to be a 2nd monitor). > > I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook > up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > either. > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of > the matter is it was just not as sharp. I've had the same trouble with the desktop LCD I'm using now. I found that by changing the vertical referesh rate, I can get the image to be about as sharp as my ThinkPad's. At 60Hz, the image is fuzzy. At 75Hz, the image is great. You might want to give that a try. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Thu Mar 2 11:12:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13095 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:12:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11228; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:09:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10912; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10893; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:09:30 -0500 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.46) with esmtp id ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:09:29 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:09:27 +0100 From: Christoph Eyrich To: Jeff Jackowski cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm using the Apple flat panel monitor with a HP Omnibook 800. No problems at all but it takes a bit of fiddling to get a good image quality. I'd buy it again ... (mainly running Linux but there were no problems with the W95 driver either) One caveat: you may get close to the quality of the built-in TFT but comparing a digital to an analog display interface is a bit unfair, you will never get the same quality :-) Christoph On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Jeff Jackowski wrote: > > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > > I've had the same trouble with the desktop LCD I'm using now. I found that > by changing the vertical referesh rate, I can get the image to be about as > sharp as my ThinkPad's. At 60Hz, the image is fuzzy. At 75Hz, the image is > great. You might want to give that a try. From cph Thu Mar 2 12:28:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13740 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:28:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18891; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:25:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18629; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18616; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:25:41 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA21602; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Tom Franklin" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TFT Screen Clarity? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:25:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000301191113.00c68580@pop3.iceka1.com> List-Unsubscribe: > The G400 video card supposedly has the ability to be upgraded to > drive digital TFT's, but I don't know what's involved (cost) to have it do > that, nor do I know what TFT panels it will work with > (compatibility--supposedly there isn't really a standardized spec, though > one appears to be developing). For simplicity's sake, I had hoped to just > hook up a TFT with a standard (analog) video connection, rather than trying > to figure all that out. You could put two video cards in your desktop, a digital card for the LCD and an analog card for the CRT. Or take that option on the G400 and just make sure it matches up with the LCD. There actually is a standard for digital video output to LCD panels, but it is fairly new. BTW, if text really looked bad on the LCD, it's possible that it was just out of adjustment. There's a clock sync adjustment on the LCD, and if it is out of whack everything will look terrible. -Mike From cph Thu Mar 2 13:15:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14072 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:15:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22969; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22779; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22761; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:22 -0500 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (bru.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.67]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA45885 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <38BEAF60.C1436046@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:13:52 -0600 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science and Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:TFT Screen Clarity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We have evaluated IBM, Sony, HP, and Viewsonic TFT Flat panel displays. The Viewsonic 17" was outstanding. Side angel viewing if by far the best of ALL we have tried. Very sharp and accurate color palette. We did have some onboard (IBM S2 based)video probs that a second sourced video card (matrox) seemed to overcome. Paul S. From cph Thu Mar 2 14:31:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14608 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:31:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29464; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:26:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29151; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigred.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29135; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigred.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:26:21 -0500 Received: by BIGRED with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:30:12 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Christoph Eyrich'" , Jeff Jackowski Cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: RE: TFT Screen Clarity? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:31:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: My solution to the digitial vs. analog flat panel problem was to buy a Selectadock III and buy a digital video card and flat panel. In my particular case, I'm driving an SGI 1600SW with the Number 9 card using the ThinkPad 770Z. You are right - no matter how good the analog interface, the direct digitial interface will always look much clearer. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Christoph Eyrich [mailto:eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 10:09 AM To: Jeff Jackowski Cc: Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? I'm using the Apple flat panel monitor with a HP Omnibook 800. No problems at all but it takes a bit of fiddling to get a good image quality. I'd buy it again ... (mainly running Linux but there were no problems with the W95 driver either) One caveat: you may get close to the quality of the built-in TFT but comparing a digital to an analog display interface is a bit unfair, you will never get the same quality :-) Christoph On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Jeff Jackowski wrote: > > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > > I've had the same trouble with the desktop LCD I'm using now. I found that > by changing the vertical referesh rate, I can get the image to be about as > sharp as my ThinkPad's. At 60Hz, the image is fuzzy. At 75Hz, the image is > great. You might want to give that a try. From cph Thu Mar 2 16:06:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15552 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:06:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08617; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:03:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08186; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08173; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:03:15 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-111.gate.net [199.227.20.174]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA51204; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38BED706.56B3E627@gate.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:03:02 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy... i have four.. 2 - IBM 9516, SXGA (one cost $2400 the other cost $1800) the good: wonderful color, extremely sharp, good controls and a self setup feature.. nice.. AND a 3 year warranty from IBM..! :-) The bad crappy stand (it'll only go up and down (and not far enough down!) and almost no tilt range.. and there is a fan inside each ! 1 - Philips Brilliance 4500AX, XGA, with built in speakers.. The ugly.. cost $3200 in 1998? 1 year warranty.. they must have known that it would start to go bad after 1 year.. Philips is a big NONO.. 1 - h/p 14inch, XGA just a good solid performing, good color, sharp monitor.. i use it every day, all day.. paid $1000 for it used.. over a year + ago.. maybe longer.. all in all, i would buy IBM and h/p again.. sight unseen.. Philips.. never again anything Philips, unless its free.. all in all, flat panels are all i will have in front of me, if i can help it.. :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually > intended to be a 2nd monitor). > > I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook > up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > either. > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of > the matter is it was just not as sharp. > > Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to > the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger > area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) > > Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything > else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? > > I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into > this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. > > - Randy Whittle -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 2 16:09:19 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15579 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:09:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09018; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08877; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08863; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:22 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-111.gate.net [199.227.20.174]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA55250; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <38BED83D.81A02EC4@gate.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:08:13 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OH, one more thing.. oue of all four.. the good, bad, ugly and the workhorse, there is not a single pixel thats bad... i think the problems these might have are the internal plugs (The Ugly - Philips) because when i press the side of the case, it gets ok for a while.. otherwise, the bottom half of the display comes and goes, the color is really garbage and the support..?? what support..!! i suppose if it were a Philips microwave oven..??? Randal Whittle wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually > intended to be a 2nd monitor). > > I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook > up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > either. > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of > the matter is it was just not as sharp. > > Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to > the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger > area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) > > Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything > else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? > > I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into > this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. > > - Randy Whittle -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 2 16:33:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15736 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:33:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13078; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12990; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12977; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:15 -0500 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29653 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:32:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000302163428.0092eb80@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:34:28 -0500 To: TP List From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? In-Reply-To: <38BED706.56B3E627@gate.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: As a followup to this thread, we have a Princeton 15" LCD over here where I work, and it looks and performs very well. Cost was approximately $800. The EE that we have using it is currently using it in place of a 17" CRT monitor, he says the LCD allows him to work longer with less fatigue. This particular unit came with an ATI video card with a digital out port built into it. I myself have a Thinkpad 770ED/9549-5AU and it has the 14.1in screen, which I enjoy profusley. Perhaps the best part about it is no dead pixels, uniformity, etc.... just plain nice to be able to use this for hours on end instead of a low end CRT. -Mike At 04:03 PM 3/2/00 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >Randy... >i have four.. >2 - IBM 9516, SXGA (one cost $2400 the other cost $1800) >the good: >wonderful color, extremely sharp, good controls and a self setup feature.. nice.. AND >a 3 year warranty from IBM..! :-) >The bad >crappy stand (it'll only go up and down (and not far enough down!) and almost no tilt >range.. and there is a fan inside each ! > >1 - Philips Brilliance 4500AX, XGA, with built in speakers.. >The ugly.. >cost $3200 in 1998? >1 year warranty.. >they must have known that it would start to go bad after 1 year.. >Philips is a big NONO.. > >1 - h/p 14inch, XGA >just a good solid performing, good color, sharp monitor.. >i use it every day, all day.. >paid $1000 for it used.. over a year + ago.. maybe longer.. > >all in all, i would buy IBM and h/p again.. sight unseen.. >Philips.. >never again anything Philips, unless its free.. > >all in all, flat panels are all i will have in front of me, if i can help it.. :-) > >Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually >> intended to be a 2nd monitor). >> >> I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and >> went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. >> >> I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook >> up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. >> >> Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really >> rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great >> either. >> >> But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was >> running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere >> *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the >> settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of >> the matter is it was just not as sharp. >> >> Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to >> the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger >> area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) >> >> Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything >> else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? >> >> I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into >> this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. >> >> - Randy Whittle > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > From cph Thu Mar 2 16:55:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15807 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:55:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15438; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15338; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15323; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.200.31 -> fb00.eng00.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:41 -0500 Received: from ballarda (user-38ld3cs.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.141.156]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19311 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301bf8491$bcc33fa0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "TP List" Subject: Size and usefulness Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:53:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: The other day I flew cross country - Atlanta/San Francisco, then returned a few days later. I put an extra battery in my TP760XL so as to be able to work as long as possible. But it was da*n near impossible to work at all. Why? Because the tiny footprint of a TP 760XL *barely* fit onto the pull-down tray on the seat in front. Finally, I abandoned the tray, and actually used my lap. I think IBM has a HUGE untapped market for top-line machines with a small footprint -- all the power of today's machines, but smaller. Still glad I took the unit, as it DID do its job, and worked fine on the return. Allan Ballard From cph Thu Mar 2 17:35:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16025 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:35:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19060; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18824; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18811; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:51 -0500 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13673; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000302173602.0092d4d0@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:36:02 -0500 To: "Allan Ballard" , "TP List" From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: Size and usefulness In-Reply-To: <004301bf8491$bcc33fa0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I agree, but it's really the airlines who are at fault for providing tiny seats and trays, as well as seats which promote the crushing of TFT screens. I imagine it is just the airlines trying to piss us all off so we will pay the premium for the extra 2 inches or whatever it is you get in first class. IBM made some new kind of flexible TFT technology, and this would work great on a plane. Just pull the screen out from the laptop, and attach it to the headrest of the seat in front of you with a tack/clip or something. This way if the kid in front of you that likes to play with the seat decides to push the seat back it won't actually crush the screen, but just make it flex a bit. If I had to fly all the time, I would take along a TP 240 or 570.... but alas with either of these you have to leave something behind, but is better than not having anything at all. At 04:53 PM 3/2/00 -0500, Allan Ballard wrote: >The other day I flew cross country - Atlanta/San Francisco, then >returned a few days later. > >I put an extra battery in my TP760XL so as to be able to work as >long as possible. > >But it was da*n near impossible to work at all. > >Why? > >Because the tiny footprint of a TP 760XL *barely* fit onto >the pull-down tray on the seat in front. Finally, I abandoned >the tray, and actually used my lap. > >I think IBM has a HUGE untapped market for top-line machines >with a small footprint -- all the power of today's machines, but >smaller. > >Still glad I took the unit, as it DID do its job, and worked fine >on the return. > > Allan Ballard > > > > From cph Thu Mar 2 17:38:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16038 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:38:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19337; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:37:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19261; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19246; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:37:41 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16079; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:37:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BEED0B.598F02BD@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:36:59 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: TP List Subject: Re: Size and usefulness References: <004301bf8491$bcc33fa0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, this is one reason why machines like the HP Omnibook 800 still enjoy a devoted following. 10.4" SVGA, P166, so it's decent for most stuff. The footprint is basically the keyboard only, so it fits on small trays fine. In Japan the size constraints extend even to desk space, such that tiny notebooks are very popular. Check out www.dynamism.com and www.jpd.com. If you haven't been there before or even in a while you'll be quite impressed, both with the machine specifications and their prices... Benjamin Allan Ballard wrote: > > The other day I flew cross country - Atlanta/San Francisco, then > returned a few days later. > > I put an extra battery in my TP760XL so as to be able to work as > long as possible. > > But it was da*n near impossible to work at all. > > Why? > > Because the tiny footprint of a TP 760XL *barely* fit onto > the pull-down tray on the seat in front. Finally, I abandoned > the tray, and actually used my lap. > > I think IBM has a HUGE untapped market for top-line machines > with a small footprint -- all the power of today's machines, but > smaller. > > Still glad I took the unit, as it DID do its job, and worked fine > on the return. > > Allan Ballard -- _________________________________________________________________________ Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $10 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Mar 2 17:43:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16078 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:43:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19959; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19780; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19767; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:14 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.69]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA49662 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000302174223.0079c100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:42:23 -0500 To: "TP List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Size and usefulness In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000302173602.0092d4d0@pop.ziplink.net> References: <004301bf8491$bcc33fa0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At the risk of being dangerously off topic here, I think it should be pointed out that the airlines are in the business of providing transport services to people, not a moble computing environment. Many (most?) planes running today were fitting with their seats long before laptops were common. It takes a while for things like airplanes (and taxis, hotels, cafes, ...) to catch up on accomodating things. And, unlike the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. Remember too, that the sizes of laptops is changing (the TP 240 is an amazing example!), and retro- fitting seats for a 770Z might not be seen as being good in just a few years when most laptops resemble the 240. I'm sure the technology change factor helps influence the airlines reluctance to modify their seating. --STeve Andre' At 05:36 PM 3/2/2000 -0500, Mike Capone wrote: > > >I agree, but it's really the airlines who are at fault for providing >tiny seats and trays, as well as seats which promote the crushing of >TFT screens. I imagine it is just the airlines trying to piss us all >off so we will pay the premium for the extra 2 inches or whatever it >is you get in first class. [snip] From cph Thu Mar 2 17:43:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16082 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:43:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19892; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19815; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19799; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:42:22 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:39:57 -0500 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DB3@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'TP List '" Subject: RE: Size and usefulness Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:39:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I agree completely. My traveling notebook is the Sony PictureBook: 2.4 lbs., sport model XGA resolution (1024 x 480). Built in 56k modem. Built in digital camera. My second favorite travel machine is my daughter's 701C. It does look like the Japanese are taking over the "petite" end of the market. (In the WinCE palm devices, I think the Casio E-105 is the hot ticket.....) Regards, Neil -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: TP List Sent: 3/2/00 4:53 PM Subject: Size and usefulness The other day I flew cross country - Atlanta/San Francisco, then returned a few days later. I put an extra battery in my TP760XL so as to be able to work as long as possible. But it was da*n near impossible to work at all. Why? Because the tiny footprint of a TP 760XL *barely* fit onto the pull-down tray on the seat in front. Finally, I abandoned the tray, and actually used my lap. I think IBM has a HUGE untapped market for top-line machines with a small footprint -- all the power of today's machines, but smaller. Still glad I took the unit, as it DID do its job, and worked fine on the return. Allan Ballard From cph Thu Mar 2 17:56:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16177 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:56:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21609; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:55:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21489; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21474; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:55:50 -0500 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000302225549.LEOV1142.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:55:49 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" To: Michelle Klein-Hass Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:55:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: USB for vintage thinkpads Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <38BEAB24.20658.D1D9C1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <000101bf80be$7f118760$1b00a8c0@dallas> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Michelle Also, it's great for any upgrades/system/font/... changes Tom At 2000 February 27 - Sunday 8:41, Michelle Klein-Hass spoke about *RE: USB for vintage thinkpads...* saying Date sent: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:41:17 -0800 To: "Mike Capone" From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: RE: USB for vintage thinkpads Copies to: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > >Dump the \Win98 files onto your harddisk into C:\Win98 > >or wherever. Then shut down from windows and do deltree C:\windows, > >then go get a coffee and come back. By then it will be done > >and you can run win98 setup from C:\win98. I usually run setup /? first so > >I can figure out which switches to speed the install along a bit. > > > >Also, in case you don't already know, don't bother installing > >unless you have 32M of ram as a minimum- anything less seems to > >make for a painful operating experience. > > Oh wow....that certainly makes sense, doesn't it! Drag the CABs onto the HD > while your old OS is still installed, then kill the windows directory, then > reinstall from the CABs! Of course!!! > > Thanks! > --.\\<-H-- > > Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 > Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! > "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. > Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 > > ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu Mar 2 18:12:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16344 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:12:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23081; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:11:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22974; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22949; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:56 -0500 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000302231055.LMGI1142.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:10:55 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" To: "rudolph wratten" Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701C/CS Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <38BEAEAF.8207.DFAF6E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000a01bf763e$83bb3fc0$ab03430c@701c> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi rudolph At 2000 February 13 - Sunday 10:22, rudolph wratten spoke about *701C/CS...* saying > Hello. > > The facts are now in. > > A 701C/CS with 4 meg of native memory can accept 16 megs of SO-DIMM. > 8 meg of native memory can accept 32 megs. > With a planer mod, 16 meg on the board, 64 megs will give you 80 megs of > usable memory. > I have another friend who replaced the CPU on the planer board, and while at > it put in 16 megs of memory. This machine shows very good numbers under > test. By planer board, you mean the mother board? > After some research, I found IBM internal notes that recommended that the > 701 series have 20/24 megs as the upper memory limit. This was because a 4 > meg machine will not access the upper memory directly, thus no real boost in > speed. The planer board will not accept greater than 16 megs of memory. This > is because of some address limits of the chipset for the 486 CPU. To replace > the chips requires both ESD and SMD practices be followed,. Sorry for the > long post, most people do not have such old computers. So you can't just plug in a 64MB 72-pin SODIMM into an 8MB 701? Tom ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu Mar 2 18:32:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16492 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:32:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24691; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:30:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24508; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24495; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:30:35 -0500 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23491 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:30:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000302183248.0092bbe0@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:32:48 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: Size and usefulness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: No, the real reason is because any of the changes I proposed require them to remove seats, which is counterproductive to their business of treating the passengers like cattle, which in turn maximizes profit.(even if it only makes them 50 bucks more a flight, they'll do it) People seem to forget the entire plane interiors are designed around this goal. The airlines would gladly reduce the size of the seating again if they possibly could, except for the obvious problems that you simply couldnt fit most americans into the modified seats. Having tiny seats isn't an issue if the plane is only going to be in the air for an hour, if you have to go transatlantic or transpacific for hours at a time it becomes a problem. A perfect example is I've heard the seating and space on the Concorde sucks, but since it takes (an hour or so?) to get to where your going, it really doesnt matter much. Anyhow, off the old soapbox, all one can do is take the smallest unit they have, or just sleep on the plane and work on the layovers/delays/etc... -Mike At 05:42 PM 3/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >At the risk of being dangerously off topic here, I think it should be >pointed out that the airlines are in the business of providing transport >services to people, not a moble computing environment. Many (most?) >planes running today were fitting with their seats long before laptops >were common. It takes a while for things like airplanes (and taxis, >hotels, cafes, ...) to catch up on accomodating things. And, unlike >the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane >seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. Remember too, that the sizes >of laptops is changing (the TP 240 is an amazing example!), and retro- >fitting seats for a 770Z might not be seen as being good in just a few >years when most laptops resemble the 240. I'm sure the technology >change factor helps influence the airlines reluctance to modify their >seating. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 05:36 PM 3/2/2000 -0500, Mike Capone wrote: >> >> >>I agree, but it's really the airlines who are at fault for providing >>tiny seats and trays, as well as seats which promote the crushing of >>TFT screens. I imagine it is just the airlines trying to piss us all >>off so we will pay the premium for the extra 2 inches or whatever it >>is you get in first class. >[snip] > > From cph Thu Mar 2 18:35:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16518 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:35:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25043; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:33:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24943; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24929; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:33:47 -0500 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA24042 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:33:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000302183600.00906210@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:36:00 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: 25GB HDD Experiences? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Anyone here using the new 25GB 17mm HDDs in any of their thinkpads? (I think it only fits in the 770/ED/X/Z) Was just wondering how noisy it is, if it adds heat to the u nit, if any decrease in battery life was noted, etc... from the specs it appears as though it approaches desktop speeds. -Mike From cph Thu Mar 2 20:07:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA17154 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:07:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01200; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01088; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01075; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:28 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23270; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38BF0FC3.CA29971@gate.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:05:08 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Size and usefulness References: <3.0.5.32.20000302183248.0092bbe0@pop.ziplink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: >from recent commercials, the trend seems to be toward a bit more space between seats.. and in any event, soon, one will wear his or her computer, not carry it... :-) Mike Capone wrote: > No, the real reason is because any of the changes I proposed > require them to remove seats, which is counterproductive to their > business of treating the passengers like cattle, which in turn > maximizes profit.(even if it only makes them 50 bucks more a flight, > they'll do it) People seem to forget the entire plane interiors are designed > around this goal. The airlines would gladly reduce the size of the > seating again if they possibly could, except for the obvious problems that > you simply couldnt fit most americans into the modified seats. Having tiny > seats isn't an issue if the plane is only going to be in the air for an hour, > if you have to go transatlantic or transpacific for hours at a time > it becomes a problem. A perfect example is I've heard the seating > and space on the Concorde sucks, but since it takes (an hour or so?) to get > to where your going, it really doesnt matter much. > > Anyhow, off the old soapbox, all one can do is take the smallest unit they > have, or just sleep on the plane and work on the layovers/delays/etc... > > -Mike > > At 05:42 PM 3/2/00 -0500, you wrote: > >At the risk of being dangerously off topic here, I think it should be > >pointed out that the airlines are in the business of providing transport > >services to people, not a moble computing environment. Many (most?) > >planes running today were fitting with their seats long before laptops > >were common. It takes a while for things like airplanes (and taxis, > >hotels, cafes, ...) to catch up on accomodating things. And, unlike > >the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane > >seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. Remember too, that the sizes > >of laptops is changing (the TP 240 is an amazing example!), and retro- > >fitting seats for a 770Z might not be seen as being good in just a few > >years when most laptops resemble the 240. I'm sure the technology > >change factor helps influence the airlines reluctance to modify their > >seating. > > > >--STeve Andre' > > > >At 05:36 PM 3/2/2000 -0500, Mike Capone wrote: > >> > >> > >>I agree, but it's really the airlines who are at fault for providing > >>tiny seats and trays, as well as seats which promote the crushing of > >>TFT screens. I imagine it is just the airlines trying to piss us all > >>off so we will pay the premium for the extra 2 inches or whatever it > >>is you get in first class. > >[snip] > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 2 20:10:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA17191 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:10:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01692; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:09:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01544; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01530; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:08:58 -0500 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17729 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:05:39 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: Workpad Z50 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:03:20 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01bf84b4$a6c26280$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: ok, my wife has had it for 3 weeks, and today the modem started waiting on the dial tone when "dial" is clicked - you can hear the tone - then after timeout, a message box says no dial tone detected. I looked all the settings over, and nothing appears changed. The magic reset button on the bottom didn't help. Before I reinstall the OS, any suggestions? mark From cph Thu Mar 2 21:25:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17653 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:25:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06901; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06772; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06759; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:05 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax12-095.leading.net [216.199.6.95]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07902 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38BF4B5E.6220@southeast.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:19:26 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Sound Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone!, I am working on my IBM Thinkpad 755c laptop computer. I decided to upgrade to Windows 95 from windows 3.1, so I formatted the HDD and installed 95. Got it all up and running, but I have been unable to get the sound installed. I know it has to be a driver problem, because it worked in windows 3.1. I think it is a drive conflict or something.. Does ANYONE know if there is a updated driver(s) for my sound card and software??? I think I need a new copy for win95. I took a look aroung the IBM Website, did not find anything.... Any ideas??? PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP!! -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Thu Mar 2 21:34:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17703 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:34:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07761; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:33:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07667; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07653; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:32:57 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.13.195]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000303023254.EURH21298@compaq>; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:32:54 +0000 Message-ID: <38BF2450.793@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:32:49 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems References: <38BF4B5E.6220@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to do two things: 1. Upgrade to the latest BIOS. 2. Install the sound drivers twice (don't know why, I just know you need to do so) Computer-Guru wrote: > > Hello Everyone!, > > I am working on my IBM Thinkpad 755c laptop computer. I decided to > upgrade to Windows 95 from windows 3.1, so I formatted the HDD and > installed 95. Got it all up and running, but I have been unable to get > the sound installed. > > I know it has to be a driver problem, because it worked in windows 3.1. > > I think it is a drive conflict or something.. > > Does ANYONE know if there is a updated driver(s) for my sound card and > software??? I think I need a new copy for win95. I took a look aroung > the IBM Website, did not find anything.... > > Any ideas??? PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP!! > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== From cph Thu Mar 2 22:04:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17869 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:04:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10150; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:02:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10055; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx13.gmx.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10042; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx13.gmx.net (194.221.183.143 -> mx14.gmx.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:02:56 -0500 Received: (qmail 17657 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 03:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21241 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from bftoemail30.bigfoot.com (208.156.39.144) by mx11.gmx.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from bigfoot.com ([192.168.4.191]) by bftoemail28.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 000302_161011_0_bftoemail28_smtp; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:10:11 -0500 for a.wagner@bigfoot.de Received: from bigfoot.com ([192.168.4.194]) by BFLITEMAIL1.bigfoot.com (LiteMail v2.20(BFLITEMAIL1)) with SMTP id 02Mar2000_BFLITEMAIL1_26224_168971808; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:10:10 -0500 EST Received: from CS.UTK.EDU ([128.169.94.1]) by BFLITEMAIL4.bigfoot.com (LiteMail v2.20(BFLITEMAIL4)) with SMTP id 02Mar2000_BFLITEMAIL4_29104_144600145; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:10:06 -0500 EST Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08920; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08877; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08863; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:22 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-111.gate.net [199.227.20.174]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA55250; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <38BED83D.81A02EC4@gate.net> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:08:13 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum References: <4.2.0.58.20000301174733.00b78f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OH, one more thing.. oue of all four.. the good, bad, ugly and the workhorse, there is not a single pixel thats bad... i think the problems these might have are the internal plugs (The Ugly - Philips) because when i press the side of the case, it gets ok for a while.. otherwise, the bottom half of the display comes and goes, the color is really garbage and the support..?? what support..!! i suppose if it were a Philips microwave oven..??? Randal Whittle wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually > intended to be a 2nd monitor). > > I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook > up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. > > Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really > rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great > either. > > But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was > running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere > *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the > settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of > the matter is it was just not as sharp. > > Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to > the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger > area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) > > Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything > else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? > > I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into > this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. > > - Randy Whittle -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 2 22:07:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17894 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:07:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10982; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:06:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10892; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10876; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:06:06 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.175]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000303030603.CDGQ20625@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:06:03 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000302220457.00935530@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:04:57 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems In-Reply-To: <38BF4B5E.6220@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:19 PM 03/02/2000 -0800, Computer-Guru wrote: >Does ANYONE know if there is a updated driver(s) for my sound card and >software??? I think I need a new copy for win95. I took a look aroung >the IBM Website, did not find anything.... > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html From cph Thu Mar 2 22:51:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18163 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:51:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13910; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:47:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13630; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13592; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:47:57 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.194]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000303034755.GFPM21298@701c> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: <004001bf84c3$75f76560$c20e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 701C/CS Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:49:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The 701 will not addres a 64 Meg SO/DIMM as is, the planer board/motherboard is indeed altered, this is no trivial matter. From cph Thu Mar 2 22:59:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18214 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:59:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14455; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:57:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14245; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14232; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:56:58 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id WAA02884 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:56:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gur-vty39.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gur-vty39.as.wcom.net [216.192.139.39]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA02875 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:56:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:56:36 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16914.000302@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Air & car adapter to 770 In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A follow-up on air adapters. For the first time in my experience, I flew on a plane with a notebook power port. I'd upgraded to what United seems to be calling "First Class" these days. (Nice food, couple more inches leg room, adjustable headrest, coat check, narrow seat.) This was on a 767. Unfortunately, I can't report on how well things worked, because it was the "red eye" flight from San Francisco to Chicago, and I needed all the sleep I could get. (I used some "miles" to upgrade for that purpose.) But, between the power port and the extra couple inches and the different tray table design, I think I actually could have been reasonably productive with my 770ED on that flight. Nice to have the option. I don't even take it out when flying "cattle car" class, since the only way to safely use it is with the screen on the tray table and the keyboard flat against my abdomen, which feels like it could give me carpal tunnel syndrome in about 30 seconds of use. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOL83728pw+2/9pUJEQIcSACg4EUZuHSI9cUA1wADbBpHNtWkgq4AoOXZ yyLVaTYhRdRqUD4/iIuY7WEO =C98z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 2 23:24:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18326 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:24:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16470; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:21:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16211; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16185; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:20:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:20:38 -0500 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a11.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.27]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C54EB2627B; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:19:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:19:01 -0700 To: Bruce Markowitz , pctech@southeast.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38BF2450.793@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for Windows v2.07w b01 (Unregistered) Message-Id: <20000303041951.C54EB2627B@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: And he needs to visit the IBM PC technical support site. Once there he can get all sorts of good information on his 755C. James In <38BF2450.793@worldnet.att.net>, on 03/02/00 at 09:32 PM, Bruce Markowitz said: >You need to do two things: >1. Upgrade to the latest BIOS. >2. Install the sound drivers twice (don't know why, I just know you need >to do so) >Computer-Guru wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone!, >> >> I am working on my IBM Thinkpad 755c laptop computer. I decided to >> upgrade to Windows 95 from windows 3.1, so I formatted the HDD and >> installed 95. Got it all up and running, but I have been unable to get >> the sound installed. >> >> I know it has to be a driver problem, because it worked in windows 3.1. >> >> I think it is a drive conflict or something.. >> >> Does ANYONE know if there is a updated driver(s) for my sound card and >> software??? I think I need a new copy for win95. I took a look aroung >> the IBM Website, did not find anything.... >> >> Any ideas??? PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP!! >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Computer-Guru >> pctech@southeast.net >> ===================== -- ----------------------------------------------------------- os2support@theriver.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Mar 2 23:24:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18334 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:24:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16666; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:22:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16396; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16382; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:22:35 -0500 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a11.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.27]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C4C926202; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:22:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:21:11 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , Randal Whittle , TP List In-Reply-To: <38BED83D.81A02EC4@gate.net> Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for Windows v2.07w b01 (Unregistered) Message-Id: <20000303042205.6C4C926202@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: It must be the Apple Flat Panel. Where I work they have several 15" Flat Panels and I would trade my 17" .26 dot pitch "tube" monitor for them. James In <38BED83D.81A02EC4@gate.net>, on 03/02/00 at 04:08 PM, Bill Morrow said: >OH, one more thing.. >oue of all four.. the good, bad, ugly and the workhorse, there is not a >single pixel thats bad... >i think the problems these might have are the internal plugs (The Ugly - >Philips) because when i press the side of the case, it gets ok for a >while.. otherwise, the bottom half of the display comes and goes, the >color is really garbage and the support..?? what support..!! i suppose if >it were a Philips microwave oven..??? >Randal Whittle wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I'm in the market for a flat panel display for my desktop PC (actually >> intended to be a 2nd monitor). >> >> I came to a tentative agreement with a gentleman here in the L.A. area and >> went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. >> >> I brought my ThinkPad 600 along for comparison purposes, but also to hook >> up the monitor to my TP's video port so I could test it out. >> >> Firstly, I was disappointed with the range of view on this thing. Really >> rather poor--much better on my Thinkpad. The brightness wasn't that great >> either. >> >> But the killer was the fuzziness. Yuck! Text on this monitor--and I was >> running it at its native 1024x768 resolution (15" flat panel) was nowhere >> *near* as clean & sharp as on my Thinkpad. I tried all the >> settings--there's even a "sharpness" setting--and had no luck. The fact of >> the matter is it was just not as sharp. >> >> Is this the norm in the TFT world? Is it a dot pitch issue? Is it due to >> the fact that you have the same number of pixels (1024x768) in larger >> area? (15" vs. my laptop's 13.3"?) >> >> Or is it that IBM Laptop displays are just *so* much better than anything >> else out there? Or that Apple displays suck? >> >> I'd still like to get a desktop TFT panel, but I don't want to run into >> this poor sharpness issue. Any input would be appreciated. >> >> - Randy Whittle >-- >Happy trails... >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net -- ----------------------------------------------------------- os2support@theriver.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Mar 3 00:02:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18526 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:02:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19202; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19017; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19002; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:19 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id XAA10317 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gur-vty39.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gur-vty39.as.wcom.net [216.192.139.39]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA10307 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:59:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:58:59 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2957.000302@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad Users, I'm looking at the IBM Support web site, and see the relatively new "TP General - CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update Utility diskette". I'm confused by it, though. Reading the title, it appears to apply to the DVD-ROM drive. However, the supported models list does *not* include the 770ED. Also, the text on the page only talks about the CD-ROM drive. Does anyone know if this is actually something that should be installed for the DVD-ROM that came with the 770ED systems? Is it really only for Win2000 systems, or does it help DVD-ROM capability with other operating systems, too? Thanks! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOL9GjG8pw+2/9pUJEQIV8ACfTqVUgYgWaB0xzJhATs8So+SjC+cAoMia 9tYuooNHvthaDdB+n2kxJngL =+j0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Mar 3 09:53:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA20684 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:53:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27532; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:51:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27406; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27385; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.50.20 -> wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:51:07 -0500 Received: from dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov (dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.215.1]) by wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13900; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:52:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006c01bf851f$c262d2c0$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> From: "Dan Helfrich" To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Cc: Subject: Re: Size and usefulness (getting way off topic here!) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Well.... The last flights I took were from Dulles, VA to LA and back, non-stop, and I never even bothered to take my laptop out. I've been able to squeeze hours of usefulness (and enjoyment) out of my new Handspring Visor Deluxe (a PalmOS derivative). No battery switching, no power cords, no awkward moments with passengers beside me or in the seat in front, etc. (except to answer ???s from curious onlookers.) The Visor is not set up (so far) for writing memos or doing mathematical analysis, but I easily download web pages using Avantgo, manage emails through MAPI, plan my activities, track my budget, convert and download many types of files, databases, and documents off of my laptop to review and derive actions from, and of course I can and do play card games, board games, word games, etc. I don't exactly wear my Visor, but it's soooo "handy" I find it indispensable. 8Meg RAM, very efficient code, hand-held operation (often only one hand is required), less than a half pound, batteries that last for days, fits in my shirt pocket... Of course, it's not a standalone tool, so I do carry my TP600 with me on TDYs. It's just so nice not to have to wrestle with the laptop's totebag during the flight. If you can adapt to the graffiti style of writing input, it's definitely the right way to go. Sorry to go so far off topic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel D. Helfrich, Mechanical Systems Manager, EOS Chemistry Project NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA 20771 phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Cornelius Halvey To: 'TP List ' Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: RE: Size and usefulness > I agree completely. My traveling notebook is the Sony PictureBook: 2.4 >lbs., sport model XGA resolution (1024 x 480). Built in 56k modem. Built in >digital camera. My second favorite travel machine is my daughter's 701C. > >It does look like the Japanese are taking over the "petite" end of the >market. (In the WinCE palm devices, I think the Casio E-105 is the hot >ticket.....) > >Regards, > >Neil > From cph Fri Mar 3 11:06:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21114 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:06:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04652; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:04:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04513; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04489; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:04:19 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-120.gate.net [207.36.212.120]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA57324; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFE278.196294CE@gate.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:04:08 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mlemon@hickseq.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 References: <001b01bf84b4$a6c26280$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. call IBM first and ask them.. perhaps you have a hardware problem..? Mark Lemon wrote: > ok, my wife has had it for 3 weeks, and today the modem started > waiting on the dial tone when "dial" is clicked - you can hear the tone - > then after timeout, a message box says no dial tone detected. > > I looked all the settings over, and nothing appears changed. > > The magic reset button on the bottom didn't help. > > Before I reinstall the OS, any suggestions? > > mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 3 11:07:15 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21127 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:07:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04937; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:06:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04853; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04838; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:05:58 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-120.gate.net [207.36.212.120]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21990; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFE2DC.C2993B91@gate.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:05:48 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: pctech@southeast.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems References: <38BF4B5E.6220@southeast.net> <38BF2450.793@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ALSO, i hope you're using win95B.. :-) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > You need to do two things: > 1. Upgrade to the latest BIOS. > 2. Install the sound drivers twice (don't know why, I just know you need > to do so) > > Computer-Guru wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone!, > > > > I am working on my IBM Thinkpad 755c laptop computer. I decided to > > upgrade to Windows 95 from windows 3.1, so I formatted the HDD and > > installed 95. Got it all up and running, but I have been unable to get > > the sound installed. > > > > I know it has to be a driver problem, because it worked in windows 3.1. > > > > I think it is a drive conflict or something.. > > > > Does ANYONE know if there is a updated driver(s) for my sound card and > > software??? I think I need a new copy for win95. I took a look aroung > > the IBM Website, did not find anything.... > > > > Any ideas??? PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP!! > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ===================== -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 3 11:21:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21169 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:21:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06087; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:16:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06000; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05986; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.200.31 -> fb00.eng00.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:16:40 -0500 Received: from wald5 (user-2inigkv.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.66.159]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09562 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: Workpad Z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38BFE278.196294CE@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: Further to WorkPad z50.... Does anyone have their z50 connect via a network PC ethernet card. THe other day I put in a Netgear PC card I bought specifically for this purpose, but I do not see how one sets it up properly. -- Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:04 AM To: mlemon@hickseq.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 Mark.. call IBM first and ask them.. perhaps you have a hardware problem..? Mark Lemon wrote: > ok, my wife has had it for 3 weeks, and today the modem started > waiting on the dial tone when "dial" is clicked - you can hear the tone - > then after timeout, a message box says no dial tone detected. > > I looked all the settings over, and nothing appears changed. > > The magic reset button on the bottom didn't help. > > Before I reinstall the OS, any suggestions? > > mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 3 11:46:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21314 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:46:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08499; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:44:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08400; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08376; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:44:05 -0500 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00948; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:40:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Workpad Z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:37:53 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01bf8537$34bd9b40$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <38BFE278.196294CE@gate.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Hardware problem is right! Went to bed last night with the battery at 58% Got up this AM and it was 0% charge. Plugged it in, and EVERY setup and file is gone, even the registration name I entered on day 1. Only things remaining were the OS and preinstall sw. Last sync was 2 weeks ago (my fault). The wife is devastated, and ready to go back to the Franklin Planner. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 10:04 AM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 > > > Mark.. > > call IBM first and ask them.. > perhaps you have a hardware problem..? > > Mark Lemon wrote: > > > ok, my wife has had it for 3 weeks, and today the modem started > > waiting on the dial tone when "dial" is clicked - you can > hear the tone - > > then after timeout, a message box says no dial tone detected. > > > > I looked all the settings over, and nothing appears changed. > > > > The magic reset button on the bottom didn't help. > > > > Before I reinstall the OS, any suggestions? > > > > mark > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > From cph Fri Mar 3 11:55:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21379 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:55:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09843; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09722; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09708; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:55 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-120.gate.net [207.36.212.120]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA290952; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFEE16.D6DE2542@gate.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:53:42 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update? References: <2957.000302@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ron.. i applied it to the DVD-CD in my 770Z, running under w2k.. here is the text file associated with the firmware update.. ***** IBM ThinkPad January 24, 2000 CD-ROM Drive Firmware Update Utility Diskette Version 1.00 ========================================================================== Notice: ------- This program is language independent and can be used with any language system. What This Diskette Does ----------------------- This Firmware Update Utility Diskette updates the CD-ROM Drive firmware stored in the CD-ROM Drive to fix problems, add new functions, or expand functions as noted below. The supported models are as follows. - ThinkPad i Series 1400 - ThinkPad 570 - ThinkPad 380X, 380Z - ThinkPad 390, 390E, 390X, i Series 1700 - ThinkPad 600, 600E - ThinkPad 770, 770E, 770X, 770Z Note : This utility checks the version of drive firmware automatically whether the firmware should be updated or not. To determine if you should update the drive firmware, please refer to the "Summary of Change" section. To update the drive firmware, please refer to the "Updating Drive Firmware" section. Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Initial release Summary of Change ----------------- Key: Diskette Version (for example, 1.00 means Version 1.00) (New) New Function or Enhancement <1.00> - (New) Initial Release to support Windows2000(*) Updating Drive Firmware ----------------------- Notes: - You need an AC adapter and a charged battery pack to update the drive firmware. 1. Firmly connect the AC adapter to the computer. 2. Insert the Firmware Update Utility into the diskette drive and turn on the computer. 3. Press '1' key to view the README file. Press '2' key to start firmware update process. Follow the instruction on screen to proceed with update. 4. When update is complete, power-off and power-on the computer for the update to become effective. Warning: Do not turn off the computer until the update has been completed. IF YOU TURN OFF THE COMPUTER WHILE THE UPDATE IS STILL IN PROGRESS, THE DIRVE MAY BECOME DAMAGED. ***** "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello ThinkPad Users, > > I'm looking at the IBM Support web site, and see the relatively new > "TP General - CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update Utility diskette". I'm > confused by it, though. > > Reading the title, it appears to apply to the DVD-ROM drive. However, > the supported models list does *not* include the 770ED. Also, the text > on the page only talks about the CD-ROM drive. > > Does anyone know if this is actually something that should be > installed for the DVD-ROM that came with the 770ED systems? Is it > really only for Win2000 systems, or does it help DVD-ROM capability > with other operating systems, too? > > Thanks! > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 > Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. > > iQA/AwUBOL9GjG8pw+2/9pUJEQIV8ACfTqVUgYgWaB0xzJhATs8So+SjC+cAoMia > 9tYuooNHvthaDdB+n2kxJngL > =+j0I > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 3 11:59:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21422 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:59:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10371; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:58:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10260; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10240; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:58:13 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-120.gate.net [207.36.212.120]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA105702; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFEF13.4FDB3575@gate.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:57:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill... the networking on the z50 is only for syncing it with a machine on the LAN.. >from what i read, it is NOT a full network connection.. at least with whats there from the factory.. there MAY be something else in the way of CE drivers.. i got a xircom CF networking card and have yet to make it talk to a machine on my LAN... William Armstrong wrote: > Further to WorkPad z50.... > > Does anyone have their z50 connect via a network PC ethernet card. THe other > day I put in a Netgear PC card I bought specifically for this purpose, but I > do not see how one sets it up properly. > > -- > Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:04 AM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 > > Mark.. > > call IBM first and ask them.. > perhaps you have a hardware problem..? > > Mark Lemon wrote: > > > ok, my wife has had it for 3 weeks, and today the modem started > > waiting on the dial tone when "dial" is clicked - you can hear the tone - > > then after timeout, a message box says no dial tone detected. > > > > I looked all the settings over, and nothing appears changed. > > > > The magic reset button on the bottom didn't help. > > > > Before I reinstall the OS, any suggestions? > > > > mark > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 3 12:27:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21640 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:27:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13164; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:24:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13044; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13008; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (192.75.13.117 -> loca.thezone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:24:36 -0500 Received: from wheeler (wiley243h045.roadrunner.nf.net [205.251.243.45]) by mail.roadrunner.nf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00921 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:54:27 -0330 (NST) Message-ID: <003201bf8535$448cc3e0$2df3fbcd@roadrunner.nf.net> From: "Wheeler" To: References: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:53:53 -0330 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: thinkpad digest for Fri, 03 Mar 2000 > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's topics: > > RE: TFT Screen Clarity? (Michael Geary) > Re:TFT Screen Clarity (Paul Schnettler) > RE: TFT Screen Clarity? (Greg Langham) > Re: TFT Screen Clarity? (Bill Morrow) > Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum (Bill Morrow) > Re: TFT Screen Clarity? (Mike Capone) > Size and usefulness (Allan Ballard) > Re: Size and usefulness (Mike Capone) > Re: Size and usefulness (Benjamin Koh) > Re: Size and usefulness (STeve Andre') > RE: Size and usefulness (Dr. Cornelius Halvey) > RE: USB for vintage thinkpads (Tom Trottier) > Re: 701C/CS (Tom Trottier) > Re: Size and usefulness (Mike Capone) > 25GB HDD Experiences? (Mike Capone) > Re: Size and usefulness (Bill Morrow) > Workpad Z50 (Mark Lemon) > Thinkpad Sound Problems (Computer-Guru) > Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems (Bruce Markowitz) > Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems (Jane Loyless) > 701C/CS (rudolph wratten) > Re[2]: Air & car adapter to 770 (Ronald W. Heiby) > Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems (os2support@theriver.com) > Re: TFT Screen Clarity?, addendum (os2support@theriver.com) > CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update? (Ronald W. Heiby) > Re: Size and usefulness (getting way off topic here!) (Dan Helfrich) > Re: Workpad Z50 (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad Sound Problems (Bill Morrow) > RE: Workpad Z50 (William Armstrong) > RE: Workpad Z50 (Mark Lemon) > Re: CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update? (Bill Morrow) > Re: Workpad Z50 (Bill Morrow) > From cph Fri Mar 3 12:36:52 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21695 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:36:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14426; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14343; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14327; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:15 -0500 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id LAA14856 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:35:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0102.uhc.com [168.183.199.66]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id LAA14792 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:35:11 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000303123408.0134f160@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:34:08 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Workpad Z50 In-Reply-To: <38BFEF13.4FDB3575@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:57 AM 03/03/2000 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >the networking on the z50 is only for syncing it with a machine on the LAN.. >from what i read, it is NOT a full network connection.. >at least with whats there from the factory.. >there MAY be something else in the way of CE drivers.. > There's a Terminal Server client for CE devices that runs over Ethernet, so I would assume there has to be a way to configure it as a full network connection. From cph Fri Mar 3 12:41:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21739 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:41:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14948; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:39:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14851; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14837; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:39:13 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.71]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000303173021.WBJN1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:30:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001101bf8536$5b4c04a0$470e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:31:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. My z50 has also indicated some charge left. I decided to run 'till it drop, the battery warning came up. it than showed battery time remaining, " unsupported ". When it went " dead ", I put it on mains power, it responded by making a slight frying sound and smoking. The frying sound, O.K., but smoking?. I would expect better from something the likes of IBM. Called to get EZ served, there just might be a problem with the z50s. P.S. No, I was not doing anything strange to the z50, well at least nothing that the other thnkpads have not had problems with!. From cph Fri Mar 3 12:48:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21784 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:48:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16139; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:46:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16044; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16030; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:46:52 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.71]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000303174007.WFXT1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:40:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001701bf8537$b89485a0$470e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:41:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The z50s that have not decided to smoke can run on a network just fine. you can sync with another computer, this allows the pair to work in tandam. I then share all files between the two, including the network. The mate need not be a laptop or desktop, it can be the server, or even your firewall, it is quite flexible as to what it will sync with. From cph Fri Mar 3 12:59:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21874 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:59:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17204; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17107; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17092; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:18 -0500 Received: from wald5 (user-2inig22.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.64.66]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23828 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:58:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101bf8536$5b4c04a0$470e4a0c@701c> List-Unsubscribe: The other day I had something similar happen to my z50. Not the frying stuff, thank God, but a refusal to start up. I went to the manual which suggested removing the battery and the AC adaptor, then putting the battery back in and reconnecting the the AC. That worked. The machine came back to life. The battery was dead, but charged right up on the AC. -- Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: rudolph wratten [mailto:cowthief@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 12:32 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: z50 Hello. My z50 has also indicated some charge left. I decided to run 'till it drop, the battery warning came up. it than showed battery time remaining, " unsupported ". When it went " dead ", I put it on mains power, it responded by making a slight frying sound and smoking. The frying sound, O.K., but smoking?. I would expect better from something the likes of IBM. Called to get EZ served, there just might be a problem with the z50s. P.S. No, I was not doing anything strange to the z50, well at least nothing that the other thnkpads have not had problems with!. From cph Fri Mar 3 13:28:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22084 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:28:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19888; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:25:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19711; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19698; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:25:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA31064 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:25:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:25:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Jackowski To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TFT Screen Clarity? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > I'm using the Apple flat panel monitor with a HP Omnibook 800. > No problems at all but it takes a bit of fiddling to get a good image > quality. I'd buy it again ... (mainly running Linux but there were no > problems with the W95 driver either) > > One caveat: you may get close to the quality of the built-in TFT but > comparing a digital to an analog display interface is a bit unfair, > you will never get the same quality :-) I'm not so sure. With my Iiyama LCD and Viper V550 graphics card at work, it looks as sharp as my ThinkPad. Right now, I'm looking at single pixel wide white text on a black background and every pixel is perfect. Nowhere on the screen is there any evidence of a ghost image. It works very well with the analog interface. > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Jeff Jackowski wrote: > > > > went to visit and take a look at his Apple Studio 15 flat panel monitor. > > > > > I've had the same trouble with the desktop LCD I'm using now. I found that > > by changing the vertical referesh rate, I can get the image to be about as > > sharp as my ThinkPad's. At 60Hz, the image is fuzzy. At 75Hz, the image is > > great. You might want to give that a try. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Fri Mar 3 14:23:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22609 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:23:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24615; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:21:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24513; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24499; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:21:07 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.70]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000303192104.YBFO1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:21:04 +0000 Message-ID: <006b01bf8545$d2d86d60$470e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: z50 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:18:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The workpad is kind of neat. But you must remember, everything is in RAM. If something were to happen, and it does, you will lose EVERYTHING!. Mine quit, I, however, sync on a regular basis. I also use a 105 Meg harddrive. This allows me a " Back-up " of everything. My z50 took up smoking, so the 701 is running again, with all the files. From cph Fri Mar 3 14:58:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23011 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:58:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28011; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27822; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27803; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:19 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax26.vramp.net [198.138.8.89]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16686; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "STeve Andre'" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Size and usefulness Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:57:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000302174223.0079c100@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] wrote: > And, unlike > the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane > seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. Sorry Steve, but wrong. 4 men can remove ALL the seats in less than an hour >from an MD80 or 727. The seats are on tracks and the configuration of airplane seating is infinitely variable. The reason we don't have more room between seats is because the airlines can fit more seats in the aricraft by squishing them together, not because of some inherent flaw in the aircraft. Regards, James From cph Fri Mar 3 15:11:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23148 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:11:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29296; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29212; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29199; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:13 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.69]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA58512 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:10:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000303151029.009d0580@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:10:29 -0500 To: "TP List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Size and usefulness In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000302174223.0079c100@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Really... Well I stand corrected then for that plane! --STeve At 02:57 PM 3/3/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] wrote: > > > >> And, unlike >> the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane >> seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. > >Sorry Steve, but wrong. 4 men can remove ALL the seats in less than an hour >from an MD80 or 727. > >The seats are on tracks and the configuration of airplane seating is >infinitely variable. The reason we don't have more room between seats is >because the airlines can fit more seats in the aricraft by squishing them >together, not because of some inherent flaw in the aircraft. > >Regards, > >James From cph Fri Mar 3 19:34:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25437 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:34:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17655; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:31:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17458; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17445; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:31:28 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.203.94 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:31:27 -0800 Message-ID: <001901bf8570$bfe43a60$5ecb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Looking Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:29:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anybody got a 560 parts machine? DON'T want a complete system, just a parts machine for some of the plastic and the display. Thanks Brad Burean Boogerware Inc. From cph Fri Mar 3 21:35:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26020 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:35:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23098; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:28:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22974; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22961; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:28:48 -0500 Received: from [139.142.112.212] (helo=139-142-112-212.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12R4JC-00042U-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:28:47 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Size and usefulness Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:45:42 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <2yFw44mipV3R092yn@islandnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 58 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: To change the space between the seats, you'd also have to change the overhead configuration of lights, buttons, and nozzles. Or is that why the lights never shine in the right place? I don't travel by air much, but from what I see, the number of people using computers on the plane is *decreasing*, in part because [IMO] people realize how little work they really get done, and the computers are bigger. A 701 is marginally usable in most economy seats. Better if you're in an exit row. When I'm travelling, I am likely to be spending some time waiting, and I've found that it is difficult to deploy a laptop near a wall outlet. Usually you have to sit cross-legged on the floor (Just try that, monkey-suiters!). Among the airports where this is true are Vancouver (even the new terminal), Seatac, LAX, SFO, GDL, ... As many said three years ago, IBM erred when discontinuing the 701 form factor. It seems to me that the biggest power drains are the display and the processor (adding RAM doesn't seem to make a difference in battery life). Using the latest technology, why couldn't they produce a 486 or Pentium that draws only 2 watts? And how about hmm... a solar-powered backlight? Then you might have a computer with a (new) real battery life of 4 hours or more... Then when the battery is wearing out, you'd still get 2 hours, instead of the 2 hrs/ 1 hr syndrome. My ideal travelling companion would have the 701 form-factor and screen, 701 keyboard (made more responsive for a touch typist), 4+-hour battery, no CD, no fans, quiet HD, ethernet, 56K, .... But maybe a computer that you wear is a better idea. Decades ago, I thought that the keyboard could be a vest, and typing on it would look like scratching your ribs. Even that would be problematic on a typical airplane seat (too narrow)! >> changing the configuation of an airplane >> seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. > > 4 men can remove ALL the seats in less than an hour >from an MD80 or 727. > >The seats are on tracks and the configuration of airplane seating is >infinitely variable. The reason we don't have more room between seats is >because the airlines can fit more seats in the aricraft by squishing them >together, not because of some inherent flaw in the aircraft. > -- cheers Jonathan From cph Fri Mar 3 21:41:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26045 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:41:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23600; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:35:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23516; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23498; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:35:55 -0500 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a44.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.156]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EEFDD25DC2; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:35:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:31:43 -0700 To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2yFw44mipV3R092yn@islandnet.com> Subject: Re: Size and usefulness X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for Windows v2.07w b01 (Unregistered) Message-Id: <20000304023543.EEFDD25DC2@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In <2yFw44mipV3R092yn@islandnet.com>, on 03/03/00 at 04:45 PM, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) said: >To change the space between the seats, you'd also have to >change the overhead configuration of lights, buttons, and >nozzles. Or is that why the lights never shine in the right place? American Airlines ran a survey of their frequent fliers who fly mostly Coach/Economy. Biggest complaint: Not enough room to do ANYTHING. They have added 2" to the pitch factor which resulted in two rows of seats (which amazingly was the average number of seats per takeoff flight empty) being removed from Coach. If you figure that each seat row weighs about 250 pounds, you can see the "economy" of removing the seats.... Basically, I might fly American the next time I fly even if it costs a little more. >I don't travel by air much, but from what I see, the number of people >using computers on the plane is *decreasing*, in part because [IMO] >people realize how little work they really get done, and the computers >are bigger. The first reason is basically why I don't work while flying. I get very little work done. James From cph Sat Mar 4 12:04:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28551 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:04:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01326; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:02:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01165; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01150; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:02:06 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-74.fdn.com [216.199.4.88]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04984; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:02:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C16AE1.4CF2@southeast.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 11:58:25 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Thinkpad Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone, I am still working on my Thinkpad 755c. As I said before, I decided to put windows 95 on it, so I formatted the hard disk drive and started out fresh. I finally got it formatted and fdiskded, and had it booting to command.com. I do not have a powersuply for the unit, so I must run it from the docking station. I installed drivers for the cd-rom (internal in doc), and was able to change directories to the D drive (cd) and copy files >from my CD drive to my hard disk drive. I put in my windows 95 disk and typed setup, nothing happened. The system locked, I had to turn it off, then back on. I even tried to copy the windows 95 directory to my HDD, then run setup, same thing happened, I typed setup, unit locked. I finally ended up installing my backpack external cd-rom and installing my windows 95 from it, which installed fine. Once I got windows 95 going, the internal cd-rom drive showed up fine, but does not work fine. I am able to view all of the files, but when I click on them and try to run them (.exe type), I get the message, "A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING." ERROR. What can I do about this????? Is it a software thing?? I just do not know what to do about it, as I have allready installed windows 95 twice, and formatted twice. Please let me know ASAP if you can HELP!! -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sat Mar 4 14:05:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28937 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:05:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06601; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:03:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06440; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06427; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:03:13 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.218.68]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000304190310.RSCX1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:03:10 +0000 Message-ID: <38C15DD9.F1A01E5D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:02:49 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Re: Thinkpad Problems References: <38C16AE1.4CF2@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: . Once I got windows 95 > going, the internal cd-rom drive showed up fine, but does not work fine. > > I am able to view all of the files, but when I click on them and try to > run them (.exe type), I get the message, "A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE > SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING." ERROR. I think you need to get the CD rom driver from someone. Birger From cph Sat Mar 4 17:26:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29661 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:26:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14308; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:23:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14139; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14126; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:23:50 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-53.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.53]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA31793 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:20:11 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003042220.AAA31793@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 00:20:44 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.08 List-Unsubscribe: I'm considering the purchase of a SelectaDock and a SelectaBase 600 for use with my ThinkPad 600E. Is the TP600 / SelectaBase 600 combo compatible with all of the SelectaDock I, II and III models. What are the main differences between the three? Since the I and II models have been withdrawn, it's somewhat difficult to find detailed info about them on IBM's web site. I'd like to know how noisy/quiet the SelectaDocks are, because I work in a very quiet environment and one of the reasons I prefer laptops is their lower noise level compared to typical desktop units. I'm also interested to hear about OS/2 compatibility of the SelectaDocks, especially as far as hot swapping is concerned. Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Mar 4 18:34:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA29838 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:34:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16929; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16689; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16676; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (206.180.224.3 -> tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:32:20 -0500 Received: from chuck (pm1i-207.tdl.com [206.180.234.207]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13728 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:32:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200003042332.PAA13728@tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:31:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Swapping adapters? Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: This has perhaps been discussed of late, but I've been offline. Apologies if so. Got a 600E It has a round-plug adapter. Its adapter is the same voltage, but different amperage, than my adapter from my 701. I heard someone once say (Bill Morrow??) that the "round plug" adapters were pretty much interchangeable, or did I misunderstand? Thanks for the help. From cph Sat Mar 4 19:11:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29948 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:11:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18366; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:10:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18260; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18247; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:09:59 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.202.21 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01bf8636$e845aea0$15ca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Looking again Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:08:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Need a 4+ gig drive for my 560..... Thanks From cph Sat Mar 4 19:19:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29981 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:19:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18838; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:18:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18743; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18730; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:18:04 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.202.21 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <003001bf8638$08b16fc0$15ca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: One Mo thing Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:16:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Also looking for a floppy port cover. on a 560 Brad S. Burean CEO Boogerware International We can colorize your life if your sick of black & white.... From cph Sat Mar 4 20:16:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30131 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21067; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:13:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20911; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20897; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:13:51 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.17.244]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000305011349.WKLE1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 01:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: <38C1B39D.4DA9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:08:46 -0500 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquer@xxxworldnet.zatt.xnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM 240 -All opinions and experience welcome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As the header indicates I'm interested in as much information on IBM 240 good and bad. Also IBM has a battery for it #02K6580 which runs about 3-4 hours. Is this the same size as the original battery and can it be lodged in its bay or is this much larger and etc. On a different issue I noticed that IBM has a renewal service warranty which I have never seen before and covers all TPs and it is called IBM ServicePac(BLUE Pac as opposed to Yellow) NOT EZ-serve. Did I miss something or is this the same as before-- see for yourselves at : http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=30L9189&cntry=840&lang=en_US TIA Simon Bryquer Remove all Xs & Ys from reply address before replying directly to me. From cph Sat Mar 4 20:44:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30193 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:44:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22136; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:41:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22052; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22037; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:41:48 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax48.vramp.net [198.138.8.111]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA90673; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:41:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" Subject: RE: Looking again Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01bf8636$e845aea0$15ca1b3f@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Check Louie's Brad: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/dept.asp?dept_id=7 he's got some 4+ GB drives listed. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 7:08 PM > To: Think > Subject: Looking again > > > Need a 4+ gig drive for my 560..... > > Thanks > > > > From cph Sun Mar 5 02:29:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA31130 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:29:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04818; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:27:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04705; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04692; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.3 -> mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 02:27:42 -0500 Received: from am ([202.27.183.118]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000305072735.UELG818218.mta2-rme@am> for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:27:35 +1300 Message-ID: <00cb01bf8674$1f8e21c0$85b31bca@am> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Size and usefulness Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:26:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Not just that plane: in NZ they pull out all the seats from a 737 every night and use it for cargo, then load up the seat the next day for pax again, I think it takes about 40 mins. Andreas!! :-) >Really... Well I stand corrected then for that plane! --STeve > >At 02:57 PM 3/3/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >>STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] wrote: >> >> >> >>> And, unlike >>> the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane >>> seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. >> >>Sorry Steve, but wrong. 4 men can remove ALL the seats in less than an hour >>from an MD80 or 727. >> >>The seats are on tracks and the configuration of airplane seating is >>infinitely variable. The reason we don't have more room between seats is >>because the airlines can fit more seats in the aricraft by squishing them >>together, not because of some inherent flaw in the aircraft. >> >>Regards, >> >>James > From cph Sun Mar 5 12:35:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09225 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:35:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03516; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03335; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03322; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.229.19 -> fb01.eng00.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:36 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15565 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha (pool-207-205-176-111.phnx.grid.net [207.205.176.111]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21126 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501bf86c0$79f97e60$6fb0cdcf@alpha> From: "Christopher M. Wright" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: 730T Suitcase model Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:33:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hey any body know whare I can get the external disk drive for the IBM 730T field kit (case, printer, battery, powersupply, etc, etc)? Chris From cph Sun Mar 5 16:55:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10122 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:55:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14683; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14574; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14560; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:25 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax6-044.leading.net [216.199.5.44]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29896; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:53:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C300A7.18CC@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:49:44 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: 755c Problems (STILL) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Also, does anyone here use ICQ? If so, give me your ID number if you can help talk me through some of this stuff. Hi Everyone, STILL having problems with my 755c. I bought it used on Friday. Since the unit is so new to me, (my first IBM Thinkpad), I do not know if the problems are software or hard ware or something else. Main problems I am having are listed below. 1) I got the battery fully charged (or so it seems, 10-20 hours charge time), and When I turn on the unit, I get a quick flash of light. No disk activity, just a quick half second flash of white light on the screen. At this point, I do not know if it is a problem with the battery, or something dead or shorted out inside of my Thinkpad (755c) Would you happen to have ANY ideas?? I bought the unit used, with the only means of powering it when I bought it was the docking station it came with. 2) do not have a powersuply for the unit, so I must run it from the docking station. I installed drivers for the cd-rom (internal in doc), and was able to change directories to the D drive (cd) and copy files >from my CD drive to my hard disk drive. I put in my windows 95 disk and typed setup, nothing happened. The system locked, I had to turn it off, then back on. I even tried to copy the windows 95 directory to my HDD, then run setup, same thing happened, I typed setup, unit locked. I finally ended up installing my backpack external cd-rom and installing my windows 95 from it, which installed fine. Once I got windows 95 going, the internal cd-rom drive showed up fine, but does not work fine. I am able to view all of the files, but when I click on them and try to run them (.exe type), I get the message, "A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING." ERROR. What can I do about this????? Is it a software thing?? I just do not know what to do about it, as I have allready installed windows 95 twice, and formatted twice. Please let me know ASAP if you can HELP!! PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sun Mar 5 21:25:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11021 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:25:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27820; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:22:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27603; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27590; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:22:49 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-109.fdn.com [216.199.4.123]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06943 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:22:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C33FC6.4391@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:19:02 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Needed: 750 Cmos battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a CMOS battery that you would sell to a friend of mine? Needs to work with a IBM Thinkpad 750.. 3.6 VOLT 60miiliamps Please let me know the price, then I'll let him know. Thanks! -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sun Mar 5 21:51:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11079 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:51:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29266; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29188; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29175; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:27 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax27.vramp.net [198.138.8.90]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA49341; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:49:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Needed: 750 Cmos battery Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:52:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38C33FC6.4391@southeast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Computer-Guru [mailto:pctech@southeast.net] wrote: > Anyone have a CMOS battery that you would sell to a friend of mine? > Needs to work with a IBM Thinkpad 750.. IBM part number 66G3764. $16.75 from IBM Shoponline. http://commerce.www.ibm.com/content/home/en_US/home_840.html Just type the part number in the box and hit enter. Price includes shipping. Regards, James From cph Mon Mar 6 01:04:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11807 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:04:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07913; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:02:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07798; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07785; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:02:25 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-109.gate.net [207.36.212.109]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA48452; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:02:14 -0500 Message-ID: <38C349E2.EEDF9DB6@gate.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:02:10 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Size and usefulness in New Zealand! References: <00cb01bf8674$1f8e21c0$85b31bca@am> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This being NZ, i suspect that this "freight" is packed in there like, uhh.. hehheh.. SHEEP..!!? Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Not just that plane: in NZ they pull out all the seats from a 737 every > night and use it for cargo, then load up the seat the next day for pax > again, I think it takes about 40 mins. > > Andreas!! > :-) > > >Really... Well I stand corrected then for that plane! --STeve > > > >At 02:57 PM 3/3/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > >>STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> And, unlike > >>> the other things I mentioned, changing the configuation of an airplane > >>> seat is no easy matter, nor is it cheap. > >> > >>Sorry Steve, but wrong. 4 men can remove ALL the seats in less than an > hour > >>from an MD80 or 727. > >> > >>The seats are on tracks and the configuration of airplane seating is > >>infinitely variable. The reason we don't have more room between seats is > >>because the airlines can fit more seats in the aricraft by squishing them > >>together, not because of some inherent flaw in the aircraft. > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >>James > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 6 01:10:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11821 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:10:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08190; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08113; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08100; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:04 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-109.gate.net [207.36.212.109]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26416; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:09:01 -0500 Message-ID: <38C34B7A.1CA73992@gate.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:08:58 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xsbryquer@xxxworldnet.zatt.xnet CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 240 -All opinions and experience welcome References: <38C1B39D.4DA9@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3F8560AB28B8FDE95E253E3B" List-Unsubscribe: --------------3F8560AB28B8FDE95E253E3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The early 240 machines were supposed NOT to get such great battery life.. the external battery is, external.. i have not seen a 240 in the flesh, so i can't really comment, but i think it'll be a nice little machine.. IF you can work around the 2 hour or less battery life that has been reported by the early testers of this machine.. BTW: they have been selling for around $100, give or take $200 the warranty thing is an extended warranty, over and above the standare one year on this machine.. well worth the $$, IMO.. :-) i've never sold one of those so i'm not fully up on it.. Simon Bryquer wrote: > As the header indicates I'm interested in as much information on IBM 240 > good and bad. > > Also IBM has a battery for it #02K6580 which runs about 3-4 hours. Is > this the same size as the original battery and can it be lodged in its > bay or is this much larger and etc. > > On a different issue I noticed that IBM has a renewal service warranty > which I have never seen before and covers all TPs and it is called IBM > ServicePac(BLUE Pac as opposed to Yellow) NOT EZ-serve. > > Did I miss something or is this the same as before-- see for yourselves > at : > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=30L9189&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > TIA > > Simon Bryquer > > Remove all Xs & Ys from reply address before replying directly to me. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------3F8560AB28B8FDE95E253E3B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The early 240 machines were supposed NOT to get such great battery life..

the external battery is, external..
i have not seen a 240 in the flesh, so i can't really comment, but i think it'll be a nice little machine..
IF you can work around the 2 hour or less battery life that has been reported by the early testers of this machine..

BTW: they have been selling for around $100, give or take $200

the warranty thing is an extended warranty, over and above the standare one year on this machine..
well worth the $$, IMO..  :-)

i've never sold one of those so i'm not fully up on it..

Simon Bryquer wrote:

As the header indicates I'm interested in as much information on IBM 240
good and bad.

Also IBM has a battery for it #02K6580 which runs about 3-4 hours.  Is
this the same size as the original battery and can it be lodged in its
bay or is this much larger and etc.

On a different issue I noticed that IBM has a renewal service warranty
which I have never seen before and covers all TPs and it is called IBM
ServicePac(BLUE Pac as opposed to Yellow) NOT EZ-serve.

Did I miss something or is this the same as before-- see for yourselves
at :

http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=30L9189&cntry=840&lang=en_US

TIA

Simon Bryquer

Remove all Xs & Ys from reply address before replying directly to me.

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------3F8560AB28B8FDE95E253E3B-- From cph Mon Mar 6 02:29:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA12011 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:29:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10838; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:27:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10740; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10727; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:27:52 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23759 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:27:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C35DCE.79083981@stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:27:10 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 240 -All opinions and experience welcome References: <38C1B39D.4DA9@worldnet.att.net> <38C34B7A.1CA73992@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've seen the 240 up close, and while it looks nice, the fact that the insert/delete/etc cluster of keys is squished into the rest of the keyboard instead of in the top right like normal TP keyboards was a no-no for me. I bought a TP for the keyboard... so I'm not giving that up for slightly less weight. If all you want is small size, there are non-IBMs that have keyboards very similar to the 240, and they include CDROMS, higher resolution screens and better battery life. If IBM made a TP that was shallower in depth ie keep the full size keyboard but remove the palm rest, I'd buy it. The Omnibook 800 comes closest to that ideal form factor. Too bad it gets really warm after a few hours' use and the screen makes my eyes tire quickly. Oh, and the battery life stinks too. For now the 560 form factor works for me. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > The early 240 machines were supposed NOT to get such great battery > life.. > > the external battery is, external.. > i have not seen a 240 in the flesh, so i can't really comment, but i > think it'll be a nice little machine.. > IF you can work around the 2 hour or less battery life that has been > reported by the early testers of this machine.. > > BTW: they have been selling for around $100, give or take $200 > > the warranty thing is an extended warranty, over and above the > standare one year on this machine.. > well worth the $$, IMO.. :-) > > i've never sold one of those so i'm not fully up on it.. > > Simon Bryquer wrote: > > > As the header indicates I'm interested in as much information on IBM > > 240 > > good and bad. > > > > Also IBM has a battery for it #02K6580 which runs about 3-4 hours. > > Is > > this the same size as the original battery and can it be lodged in > > its > > bay or is this much larger and etc. > > > > On a different issue I noticed that IBM has a renewal service > > warranty > > which I have never seen before and covers all TPs and it is called > > IBM > > ServicePac(BLUE Pac as opposed to Yellow) NOT EZ-serve. > > > > Did I miss something or is this the same as before-- see for > > yourselves > > at : > > > > http > > //commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=30L9189&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > > > TIA > > > > Simon Bryquer > > > > Remove all Xs & Ys from reply address before replying directly to > > me. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > -- _________________________________________________________________________ Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $10 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Mon Mar 6 10:27:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13790 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:27:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20199; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:24:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19809; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19788; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:24:02 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (209.38.73.28 -> snowmass.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:24:06 -0500 To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a November 23, 1999 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:19:09 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 03/06/2000 08:19:17 AM, Serialize complete at 03/06/2000 08:19:17 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: A SelectaDock without any additional stuff is totally passive (it's really a port replicator). When you start adding other things, you may get additional noise (as from a disk drive, if you add one). However, I haven't noticed any noise other than the click of the PC Card enabler when I power up. I can't give you a comparison to the other models, sorry. I just use the 600. ssh Dominique Pivard 03/04/2000 03:20 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks I'm considering the purchase of a SelectaDock and a SelectaBase 600 for use with my ThinkPad 600E. Is the TP600 / SelectaBase 600 combo compatible with all of the SelectaDock I, II and III models. What are the main differences between the three? Since the I and II models have been withdrawn, it's somewhat difficult to find detailed info about them on IBM's web site. I'd like to know how noisy/quiet the SelectaDocks are, because I work in a very quiet environment and one of the reasons I prefer laptops is their lower noise level compared to typical desktop units. I'm also interested to hear about OS/2 compatibility of the SelectaDocks, especially as far as hot swapping is concerned. Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Mar 6 10:30:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13811 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:30:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20593; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20459; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20445; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:05 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:34:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'ssh@leopard.com'" , Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:34:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Actually, a SelectaDOCK III has a fan. The selectabase models for the 600 and 770 are passive. You put a selectabase on top of a selectadock. Also, Win 95/98 doesn't recognize your machine as being docked when you are connected to a selectabase; however, it does recognize a selectadock as being "docked" and tries to create a docked profile at that point. Also, a selectabase with a PC Card Enabler is considered a docking station by 95/98. Greg -----Original Message----- From: ssh@leopard.com [mailto:ssh@leopard.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 9:19 AM To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks A SelectaDock without any additional stuff is totally passive (it's really a port replicator). When you start adding other things, you may get additional noise (as from a disk drive, if you add one). However, I haven't noticed any noise other than the click of the PC Card enabler when I power up. I can't give you a comparison to the other models, sorry. I just use the 600. ssh Dominique Pivard 03/04/2000 03:20 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: TP600: questions about SelectaDocks I'm considering the purchase of a SelectaDock and a SelectaBase 600 for use with my ThinkPad 600E. Is the TP600 / SelectaBase 600 combo compatible with all of the SelectaDock I, II and III models. What are the main differences between the three? Since the I and II models have been withdrawn, it's somewhat difficult to find detailed info about them on IBM's web site. I'd like to know how noisy/quiet the SelectaDocks are, because I work in a very quiet environment and one of the reasons I prefer laptops is their lower noise level compared to typical desktop units. I'm also interested to hear about OS/2 compatibility of the SelectaDocks, especially as far as hot swapping is concerned. Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Mar 6 10:42:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13859 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:42:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21769; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:40:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21692; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21668; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:40:44 -0500 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28388; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:39:08 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25983; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:38:36 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:40:09 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Computer-Guru Cc: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Re: 755c Problems (STILL) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA13860 Have a look at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PLMY2.html, there are various device drivers for W95 there. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 755c Problems (STILL) Author: MIME:Computer-Guru at INTERNET Date: 3/5/00 9:58 PM Also, does anyone here use ICQ? If so, give me your ID number if you can help talk me through some of this stuff. Hi Everyone, STILL having problems with my 755c. I bought it used on Friday. Since the unit is so new to me, (my first IBM Thinkpad), I do not know if the problems are software or hard ware or something else. Main problems I am having are listed below. 1) I got the battery fully charged (or so it seems, 10-20 hours charge time), and When I turn on the unit, I get a quick flash of light. No disk activity, just a quick half second flash of white light on the screen. At this point, I do not know if it is a problem with the battery, or something dead or shorted out inside of my Thinkpad (755c) Would you happen to have ANY ideas?? I bought the unit used, with the only means of powering it when I bought it was the docking station it came with. 2) do not have a powersuply for the unit, so I must run it from the docking station. I installed drivers for the cd-rom (internal in doc), and was able to change directories to the D drive (cd) and copy files from my CD drive to my hard disk drive. I put in my windows 95 disk and typed setup, nothing happened. The system locked, I had to turn it off, then back on. I even tried to copy the windows 95 directory to my HDD, then run setup, same thing happened, I typed setup, unit locked. I finally ended up installing my backpack external cd-rom and installing my windows 95 from it, which installed fine. Once I got windows 95 going, the internal cd-rom drive showed up fine, but does not work fine. I am able to view all of the files, but when I click on them and try to run them (.exe type), I get the message, "A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING." ERROR. What can I do about this????? Is it a software thing?? I just do not know what to do about it, as I have allready installed windows 95 twice, and formatted twice. Please let me know ASAP if you can HELP!! PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Mon Mar 6 14:29:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15747 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:29:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13926; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13590; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13570; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:01 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5B7BEA00152; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <004701bf87ba$bb5f1220$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "Christopher M. Wright" , "ThinkPad" References: <001501bf86c0$79f97e60$6fb0cdcf@alpha> Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Chris, try this link for information on the 730T tp. I just purchased one and I am having difficulties installing the OS and the PENDOS extensions w/o the floppy drive also. according to the link I sent you, the floppy drives that will connect to dock 1 and 2 are the same thing. Since I have a 755cd and a dock 1 this will kill 2 birds with one stone. http://www.basterfield.com/tp730/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher M. Wright To: ThinkPad Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: 730T Suitcase model > Hey any body know whare I can get the external disk drive for the IBM 730T > field kit (case, printer, battery, powersupply, etc, etc)? > > Chris > > From cph Mon Mar 6 14:43:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15856 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:43:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15642; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:41:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15558; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15540; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:41:40 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A964FD800B2; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <00ad01bf87bc$ebfa15e0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Need a 360PE LCD Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:40:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have a usable 360PE LCD? My machine still functions and the digitizer still works but the LCD is toast. I can run the machine from an external monitor but that defeats the purpose of walk around portability. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 From cph Mon Mar 6 15:31:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16192 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:31:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21213; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:29:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20973; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20927; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:29:45 -0500 Received: from CEL400 (24.137.23.40) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 6 Mar 2000 15:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf87ab$66a7e5e0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Anyone have a 730TE for sale? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF8781.7BE37B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF8781.7BE37B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, While we'r on the topic of 730's, does anyone have one for sale? I'd = like to have the dock, at least a 100mb hard drive, maybe a spare = battery, and the shoulder carrying case. I figured I'd ask here before = rooting around on ebay. :-) Thanks. -Jamie "To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing which makes us = human" ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF8781.7BE37B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi there,
    While we'r on the = topic of=20 730's, does anyone have one for sale? I'd like to have the dock, at = least a=20 100mb hard drive, maybe a spare battery, and the shoulder carrying case. = I=20 figured I'd ask here before rooting around on ebay. :-)
 
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-Jamie
"To deny our own impulses is to deny = the very thing=20 which makes us human"
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF8781.7BE37B60-- From cph Mon Mar 6 15:33:59 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16214 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:33:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21518; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21406; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21392; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:04 -0500 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25867 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:28:47 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: Workpad Z50 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:26:26 -0600 Message-ID: <000401bf87b2$a1952da0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Spent all weekend trying to get my wife's WP back in action. Here's what I learned... First, the manual claims that Z50 needs L103 batteries for backup, but they sure looked like AAA-sized Alkaline Energizers to me, so now the WP happily runs on pink bunny backup power. Second, if your WP puts out a dial tone, then dials, and then announces "no dial tone", it's because your wife set the modem to "USA/Canada". Set it back to "Japan" so it will actually pick up the lines in the USA again. Third, their is no use trying to explain how important default settings are - even if they defy logic (see above). Fourth, pulling the batteries to reset the OS is much faster than reinstalling software . If I were king, this new feature would be made mandatory on every PC immediately. Don't ask me how - it's just cool. Finally, their is absolutely nothing that pulling all the batteries out can't cure. However, you'll be in a catch-22. If you do a backup, then pull the batteries, then restore, you could end up copying the problem right back to the WP. On the other hand, if you do a "sync" to Outlook, pull the batteries, and then try to "sync" again, the software will be convinced that the first WP profile is different from the second one - even if they both have the same name. Neither sync nor backup will solve every problem. It's still a great widget, but I'm really glad I didn't pay $1K for it. Mark From cph Mon Mar 6 15:53:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16389 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:53:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23453; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:50:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23351; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23338; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.172 -> web3801.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <20000306205052.13705.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.253.2] by web3801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:50:52 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: Anyone have a 730TE for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have a 730T I was going to put on ebay, but if you want to buy, it could save me the trouble. This is better then any for sale, I have made upgrades. This one includes the 730T, 486dx33 processor. It has 8mb base memory and I have an aditional 16mb card(they run about, $50, what I paid for mine). The normal ones also come with a 105mb hdd. I am including the *340mb* hard drive I have. You can even get up to something like 700mb with drive space. It comes with 4 batteres(uses 2 at a time). There is 1 power cord and 1 battery charger(batterys can charge in the laptop or in the battery charger). This also has the docking station/printer/case. The case is a luggage size case, it has a built in dot maxtix printer. It also has paper with it, and a brand new cartridge. There are ports for external montior, floppy, serial, modem, keyboard, and the printer interface. Case is in great condition. There is also a car adaptor with the case. There is also a soft case that fits around the 730T laptop. Its great for carrying around the laptop. It also has a hand strap and a sholder strap. I also have Windows 95 pre installed with everything working. If you want anything else just tell me and I will install. The case is in great condition. There is 1 noticable scratch on the laptop, though the laptop is in perfect contition. This laptop has been lightly used. I purchased it and a week later got a great deal on a 760xd and I do not use this any more. Please write back with an offer or any other questions you have, I know a lot about this laptop and can give you lots of specifics. Thanks Garrett Kaste. --- Slip wrote: > Hi there, > While we'r on the topic of 730's, does anyone > have one for sale? I'd like to have the dock, at > least a 100mb hard drive, maybe a spare battery, and > the shoulder carrying case. I figured I'd ask here > before rooting around on ebay. :-) > > Thanks. > -Jamie > "To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing > which makes us human" > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Mon Mar 6 15:56:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16427 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:56:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24008; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:54:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23863; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23849; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:54:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA55978 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:54:52 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:54:52 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows Millenium on TP770Z In-Reply-To: <20000306205052.13705.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, Has anyone successfully installed Windows Millenium Edition Beta on the ThinkPad 770Z or any other model? It seems that Windows ME is supposed to be able to use all Win98 based drivers but for some reason, the 770Z's internal modem is not compatible with WinME when I attempted to do the install. As soon as I ran setup, it says that the ThinkPad Modem drivers are not compatible with Windows Millenium. Anyone have any luck? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 6 16:30:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16710 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:30:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27315; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27053; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27030; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (192.160.127.87 -> Mailbox.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:26:59 -0500 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by mailbox.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA54171 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:26:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:07:44 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15422.000306@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Win98SE System Sounds "Chatter" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad Users, Running Win98SE on my 770ED, I find that after "a while", the production of a system sound (like an error "chord") throws the sound system into a mode where it just repeats the first .25 - .5 seconds of the sound over and over and over and .... The sound production can be stopped by muting the speaker, but comes back when the speaker is un-muted. The only other ways I've found to stop the sound are reboot or playing a sound file from Windows Media Player. The WMP playing is normal, and all is well until the next time a system sound is generated. After a reboot, everything remains normal for some time. Of course, since Win98SE is not all *that* more stable than Win95 OSR2B, chances are that I was about to have to reboot soon, anyway. :-( Anyone else see (hear) anything like this? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOMPXzW8pw+2/9pUJEQJDWwCgtiufmmxgNDLpcJqgZXlZOH4asSYAn2eL WCc9HgHuguETG5MdPv8vo80C =ClzC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Mon Mar 6 16:30:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16714 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:30:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27230; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27072; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27040; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (192.160.127.87 -> Mailbox.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:27:00 -0500 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by mailbox.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA54193 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:26:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:08:21 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8422.000306@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Win98SE Screen Flickers - Workaround Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad Users, I'm now running my 770ED with a full install (not upgrade) of Win98SE. I've installed all the relevant fixes from windowsupdate.microsoft.com, and things are going mostly pretty well. One thing that is not going completely well is the display. It flickers, particularly with certain colors. Those colors include my "Slate" Appearance Scheme background (R:65, G:65, B:65, Hue:60, Sat:0, Lum:61). Yes, I have updated my BIOS, which did not help. Workaround: I find that if I go into the screen properties, go to Settings, choose Advanced, go to Adapter, and change the Refresh Rate >from "Optimal" to "Adapter default" (Applying the change) and back to "Optimal" (again Applying the change), that the flicker stops. This says to me that the video driver is probably not correctly initializing the Refresh Rate. Anyone else notice this? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOMPX8G8pw+2/9pUJEQINkwCgpE44EA00C1ekDu7WJRrkLpp/9eEAn0q9 djk8QC2ld4dWvb/jC4YkIO1T =VAwQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Mon Mar 6 17:39:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17222 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:38:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05222; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05147; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05133; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:41 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a42.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.58]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E825DBE; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:37:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38C39A6A.964BBBE7@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:45:46 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows 98 on a 760XL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was hoping to load Windows 98 SE on my new hard drive on my 760XL but after looking at the IBM download site, it appears that is not possible... yet they do offer utility files for Windows 98... a video update, and a supplemental file diskette for 98. Does anybody know if it can be done successfully? That have actually had it working. It appears there are problems with audio, infrared, and possibly the CD ROM Ray Canyonlands From cph Mon Mar 6 17:39:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17226 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:39:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05011; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04862; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04847; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:08 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax10-212.leading.net [216.199.5.212]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22420 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:36:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C45C1E.6F52@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:32:14 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Loan Battery? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone here have a battery for a Thinkpad 755c? I need ont to test my unit real quick. Will pay shipping both ways, to me, and back to you. Please, help! Also, is there a softpaq that will test the battery, or any other means of checking the battery?? Thanks -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Mon Mar 6 18:05:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17462 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:05:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07379; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:02:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07222; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07209; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:02:54 -0500 Received: from dsrv (ip23.bedford16.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.90.23]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA07879 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:02:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000306180505.00931100@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:05:05 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: Windows Millenium on TP770Z In-Reply-To: References: <20000306205052.13705.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:54 AM 3/6/00 -1000, you wrote: >Greetings, > > Has anyone successfully installed Windows Millenium Edition Beta >on the ThinkPad 770Z or any other model? It seems that Windows ME is >supposed to be able to use all Win98 based drivers but for some reason, >the 770Z's internal modem is not compatible with WinME when I attempted to >do the install. As soon as I ran setup, it says that the ThinkPad Modem >drivers are not compatible with Windows Millenium. Anyone have any luck? > I doubt you will ever get it to work until IBM makes a driver for Windows ME. The reason being is that microsoft has this nasty habit of changing the driver model of every OS they make, a perfect example is Windows 98.... it is supposed to be fully compatible with win95 drivers, but this is an outright lie. -Mike From cph Mon Mar 6 18:24:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17565 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:24:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08711; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:22:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08614; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08596; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.178 -> web3807.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:22:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20000306232219.12322.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3807.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:22:19 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: Anyone have a 730TE for sale? To: Garrett Kaste , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Many of you have asked what I would want for this laptop. I really like reciving offers, but I was homeing to get around $250 for the laptop and all the accessories. This is higher then other 730ts, but look up the price of a 340mb pcmcia hard drive and you will find this to be quite a deal. If there is anyone interested out there please write me. BTW..I forgot to mention this but I have an extra stylus and extra tips. Also I have all the origional boxes, even for batteries and pens and so forth. Thanks Garrett Kaste. --- Garrett Kaste wrote: > I have a 730T I was going to put on ebay, but if you > want to buy, it could save me the trouble. > > This is better then any for sale, I have made > upgrades. > > This one includes the 730T, 486dx33 processor. It > has > 8mb base memory and I have an aditional 16mb > card(they > run about, $50, what I paid for mine). The normal > ones also come with a 105mb hdd. I am including the > *340mb* hard drive I have. You can even get up to > something like 700mb with drive space. It comes > with > 4 batteres(uses 2 at a time). There is 1 power cord > and 1 battery charger(batterys can charge in the > laptop or in the battery charger). This also has > the > docking station/printer/case. The case is a luggage > size case, it has a built in dot maxtix printer. It > also has paper with it, and a brand new cartridge. > There are ports for external montior, floppy, > serial, > modem, keyboard, and the printer interface. Case is > in great condition. There is also a car adaptor > with > the case. There is also a soft case that fits > around > the 730T laptop. Its great for carrying around the > laptop. It also has a hand strap and a sholder > strap. > I also have Windows 95 pre installed with everything > working. If you want anything else just tell me and > I > will install. > > The case is in great condition. There is 1 > noticable > scratch on the laptop, though the laptop is in > perfect > contition. > > This laptop has been lightly used. I purchased it > and > a week later got a great deal on a 760xd and I do > not > use this any more. > > Please write back with an offer or any other > questions > you have, I know a lot about this laptop and can > give > you lots of specifics. > > Thanks > Garrett Kaste. > > > > --- Slip wrote: > > Hi there, > > While we'r on the topic of 730's, does anyone > > have one for sale? I'd like to have the dock, at > > least a 100mb hard drive, maybe a spare battery, > and > > the shoulder carrying case. I figured I'd ask here > > before rooting around on ebay. :-) > > > > Thanks. > > -Jamie > > "To deny our own impulses is to deny the very > thing > > which makes us human" > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Mon Mar 6 18:38:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17626 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:38:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09934; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09824; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09809; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.74 -> web107.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 8426 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 23:36:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306233602.8425.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web107.yahoomail.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:36:02 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 770ED Win98SE System Sounds "Chatter" To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have seen that before when there is a resource conflict between the sound and some other device, for instance it they are sharing the same IRQ. > Hello ThinkPad Users, > > Running Win98SE on my 770ED, I find that after "a > while", the > production of a system sound (like an error "chord") > throws the sound > system into a mode where it just repeats the first > .25 - .5 seconds of > the sound over and over and over and .... The sound > production can be > stopped by muting the speaker, but comes back when > the speaker is > un-muted. The only other ways I've found to stop the > sound are reboot > or playing a sound file from Windows Media Player. > The WMP playing is > normal, and all is well until the next time a system > sound is > generated. > > After a reboot, everything remains normal for some > time. Of course, > since Win98SE is not all *that* more stable than > Win95 OSR2B, chances > are that I was about to have to reboot soon, anyway. > :-( > > Anyone else see (hear) anything like this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon Mar 6 19:54:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18046 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:54:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15415; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:52:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15229; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15216; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:52:18 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial35.auto-net.com [208.154.252.84]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA41448 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:43:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38C3FE70.EA7B8E94@iso.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:52:32 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model - External floppy References: <001501bf86c0$79f97e60$6fb0cdcf@alpha> <38C25A5C.E4C9AEEE@iso.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wow, one just went for $100.33 on eBAy - ridiculous - so why is everyone hiding them in the back of their safes now? I did get Windows 95B on mine with the help of a Thinkpad 755C in a docking station II - booted to the PCMCIA drive and setup off the CD-ROM. When setup said restart, I tried restarting in the 730T and it worked. Then I put Win98 Drivespace on it and compressed the drive and then I was able to (back in the 755C) put the Win95 setup files on the drive. This made it easier in the 730T to adjust drivers, etc. When I have it all setup I'll delete the setup files and have plenty of room (ha). I am trying - er - in the process of installing a PCMCIA CD-ROM. That might make life easier. Next I will try to install an Avatar Shark drive. Oh what fun (and time waste). Basterfield's pages sure have helped - Thanks Dan (the man). Bill William Van Tuyl wrote: > Well, you can haunt eBay like the rest of us vultures and dive in for the > scraps. There are very few offered. That helps to keep the prices high. > Research the numbers and hope. In the meantime, save your nickels and dimes, > it will take a pile. BTW, it may or may not have the right cable. > > Bill > > "Christopher M. Wright" wrote: > > > Hey any body know whare I can get the external disk drive for the IBM 730T > > field kit (case, printer, battery, powersupply, etc, etc)? > > > > Chris From cph Mon Mar 6 19:57:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18070 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:57:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15829; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15739; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15726; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:33 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.156]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000307005531.HFOR24363.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:55:31 +0000 Message-ID: <38C4536F.7E9B51CE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:55:11 -0500 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows Millenium on TP770Z References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > Greetings, > > Has anyone successfully installed Windows Millenium Edition Beta > on the ThinkPad 770Z or any other model? Win 2000 Pro-770Z; Installed full version,clean install. With latest bios all you need to install from IBM is Utilities. Modem works just fine, maybe a little better than before. This was the full release not the beta. Birger From cph Mon Mar 6 20:03:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18123 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:03:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16670; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:01:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16530; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16507; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:01:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA61265; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:01:33 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:01:33 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Birger Petterson cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows Millenium on TP770Z In-Reply-To: <38C4536F.7E9B51CE@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Birger Petterson wrote: > > Has anyone successfully installed Windows Millenium Edition Beta > > on the ThinkPad 770Z or any other model? > > Win 2000 Pro-770Z; > Installed full version,clean install. > With latest bios all you need to install from IBM is Utilities. > Modem works just fine, maybe a little better than before. > This was the full release not the beta. Yes, I know Win 2000 works. I was referring to Windows ME which is the consumer Windows version that will be out later this year as the upgrade to Win98. Win2000 is basically NT 5.0. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Mar 7 03:21:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20325 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:21:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25589; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:17:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25227; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25213; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (206.180.224.3 -> tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:17:50 -0500 Received: from chuck (pm1i-196.tdl.com [206.180.234.196]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23279 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:17:43 -0800 Message-Id: <200003070817.AAA23279@tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:17:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: A few days with a new 600E Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: Thought I'd offer a few reflections on a few days now with my new 600E (PII-400, 10gb, 64, DVD). Delete if you're not interested First of all, this replaced my two year old 380ED. I had forgotten just how extraordinarily better a TFT screen looks! I had gotten used to the DS display on the 380 but was never real happy with it. Now I know/remember why. The 600's display is incredibly sharp and readable; the machine arrived with no bad pixels. The 13.3 screen is very nice and the 600 form factor is a nice throwback to the 500 and 701 that I have owned before. I upgraded, while it was still fresh, to Win98SE. The DVD player works very well. Very, very few "drops" on viewing a DVD movie. A couple of oddities: The first time you run a dialup networking session, the modem is silent, even if it is set for sound. After that first time, though, you hear the normal dialing/connecting tones. Every once in awhile, when clicking on a DUN connection, the blue screen of death arrives and only a hard reboot fixes. I'm very, very pleased with this machine, and feel better, too, once again having a three year warranty. A final oddity: I have an Apricorn Ez-Gig pcmcia hard drive that I use as an external hard drive for backup, transfer of stuff to other machines, etc. On the 380ED (also running Win98SE), the drive was immediately recognized by Plug'n'Play and configured as a Hard Drive Controller. On the 600, BEFORE upgrading to Win98SE, the card was "recognized" as a SCSSI device (?!?) and device manager showed it not working properly and indeed I couldn't access the drive. AFTER upgrading to 98SE, the system still "recognized" it as a SCSSI controller but now the drive is accessible. Odd. As with every ThinkPad I've owned, the price will go down soon, no doubt. But I would very much recommend it! And if anybody knows a good price for a 32 or 64mb RAM upgrade, I'd like to hear it. Bill?? Thanks for listening.... Chuck Blaisdell From cph Tue Mar 7 05:59:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA20708 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:59:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09222; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:56:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09098; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09085; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:56:52 -0500 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh7-port62.snet.net [204.60.51.62]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id FAA02491 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:56:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C4E079.8013598A@snet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:56:57 -0500 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: [Fwd: 730T Suitcase model] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------539E22E6D75279FF803A3C7F" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------539E22E6D75279FF803A3C7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------539E22E6D75279FF803A3C7F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38C38BB6.F6B418F1@snet.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 05:43:02 -0500 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Christopher M. Wright" Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model References: <001501bf86c0$79f97e60$6fb0cdcf@alpha> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Chris, I got mine on eBay, but from what I hear they are NOT that easy to come by---anyway, the part # is 79F6423, and it will also work (they say) with the N33SX computer. Good Luck! Marc S. --------------539E22E6D75279FF803A3C7F-- From cph Tue Mar 7 09:53:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21811 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:53:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25621; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25407; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.csc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25367; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.csc.com (20.1.10.27 -> explorer.csc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:50:11 -0500 Received: from rbell1.min.csi.csc.com ([20.8.30.91] helo=csc.com) by explorer.csc.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12SLJ3-0004Og-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:49:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38C51772.144F428E@csc.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:51:30 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A few days with a new 600E References: <200003070817.AAA23279@tdl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Thought I'd offer a few reflections on a few days now with my new 600E > (PII-400, 10gb, 64, DVD). Delete if you're not interested > [snip] > A couple of oddities: The first time you run a dialup networking session, > the modem is silent, even if it is set for sound. After that first time, though, > you hear the normal dialing/connecting tones. The mute modem problem is a known one. I'm not positive, but I think there was a release of the IBM modem drivers that fixes this. Rob From cph Tue Mar 7 11:19:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22332 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:19:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02899; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:16:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02708; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02693; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:16:34 -0500 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 12SMeu-0000iC-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:16:32 -0500 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:12:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I get the impression that Microsoft is pulling another marketing ploy here. It seems like they are just putting in some improvements and changing the name. So the end result are two products, Windows 2000 and Windows 2000 Pro. Looking at the names and the interface it seems like the same underlying product with the Pro having additional features like security, ntfs, etc. But I get the feeling that Windows 2000, aka Millenium, is still Real Mode MSDOS with protective mode extensions and Windows 2000 Pro is still a 32 bit protective mode OS with emulation of real mode MSDOS. I am really happy with Windows 95 on my TP365ED. It is a good thing as with the max memory limit of 24 Megs I doubt I could run later Windows successfully. I am thinking of replacing the TP365ED but want the impossible (a cheap laptop with a DVD drive). I suppose in 2005 I will get my wish 8->. Hopefully not before Win95 becomes totally obsolete. 73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU From cph Tue Mar 7 11:55:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22568 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:55:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05513; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05407; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05393; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:19 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax1.vramp.net [198.138.8.64]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA56919; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:47:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Eric Cottrell [mailto:ecottrell@Doble.com] wrote: > I get the impression that Microsoft is pulling another marketing ploy here. > It seems like they are just putting in some improvements and changing > the name. So the end result are two products, Windows 2000 and Windows > 2000 Pro. To the best of my limited knowledge, there's no such thing as "Windows 2000". You've got two choices with W2K, W2K Professional or W2K Server (and advanced server), but there's no plain vanilla W2K. > Looking at the names and the interface it seems like the same underlying > product with the Pro having additional features like security, ntfs, etc. > But I get the feeling that Windows 2000, aka Millenium, is still Real Mode > MSDOS with protective mode extensions and Windows 2000 Pro is still a > 32 bit protective mode OS with emulation of real mode MSDOS. Ah, here's the problem! W2K is NOT Windows Millenium. W2K is based on NT and is NT5! Millenium is the replacement for W98 and is very different than W2K. Rather than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of Millenium is simply terrible! If W95 floats your boat, run with it. I've got more than a hundred systems running W95 quite happily and they'll continue doing so for the foreseeable future, at least until we start seeing a bunch of Pent. IIs entering the donation supply chain. Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 7 12:49:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22889 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:49:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10620; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10221; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10206; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:45 -0500 Received: from 209-122-243-65.s65.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.65] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12SO1e-0005gQ-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:44:07 -0500 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: <04f301bf885c$6aee3cb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Cottrell, Eric" , References: Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:41:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ marketing. > than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more > stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of > Millenium is simply terrible! From cph Tue Mar 7 12:53:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22943 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:53:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11019; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:48:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10887; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10862; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:48:55 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:54:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'R Briganti'" , "James H. E. Maugham" , "Cottrell, Eric" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:54:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: You are right. With a few exceptions, NT 4 has always been stable. Usually an unstable NT 4 system is a direct result of buggy drivers. The main thing I have seen with W2K WS is the notebook support. I haven't used the server product yet, but I'm sure the Active Directory is the big deal there. I used NT 4 for about 2 years on my ThinkPad and immediately switched to W2K and will never look back. It's support for the 770Z is good out of the box. I only had to download the DVD decoder driver - everything else was on the CD. Greg -----Original Message----- From: R Briganti [mailto:r.briganti@bellemead.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 11:42 AM To: James H. E. Maugham; Cottrell, Eric; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ marketing. > than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more > stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of > Millenium is simply terrible! From cph Tue Mar 7 13:06:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23074 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:06:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12491; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:04:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12350; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12337; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:04:11 -0500 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id GNWWD920; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:09 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27100; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA11218; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:04:07 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <200003071804.LAA11218@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: r.briganti@bellemead.com Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I guess you have had better luck than I have. With my 770E (NT4 SP3 preload from IBM), I get various kinds of crashes: blue screens, probably due to faulty GPIB drivers from National Instruments (IEEE-488 adapters, both PCI and PCMCIA, to interface with HP and other instruments). video crashes resulting in a locked machine with screens of various colors (grey usually) or a repeating pattern of vertical bars. I have gotten this with various revs of the IBM 770E video driver for NT. It hasn't happened (yet) with the latest one I recently put in. It has happened with the previous 2 or 3 revs (which I was told to use by IBM support due to other problems). These bugs seem to be triggered by something in Adobe Acrobat 4 and some other applications (X-server for NT from Sun, etc). I have to resort to the recessed reset switch (the normal power switch is inop) to turn the machine off after a video crash. The machine is really locked up as I can't get even a ping response over the net when it crashes. Other blue screens which I haven't been able to trace. Errors with Excel (office 97 SP2) that cause the MS Visual C++ debugger to load the assembly code for Excel. Just what I want to see ... NT explorer crashes and restarts ... and so on. Note that Sun Solaris x86 running on the same machine doesn't crash so I don't have hardware problems. Solaris uses the same PCMCIA ethernet and modem cards as NT. The 770E has also been back to IBM for CPU card and inverter replacement - still have NT crashes (but not with Solaris). Machine has 224 MB of RAM and a 14 GB disk. I guess maybe it is time to try Win2K to see if it works better than NT4 for me. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 > become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K > might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and > seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ > marketing. > > > than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more > > stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of > > Millenium is simply terrible! > > > From cph Tue Mar 7 13:26:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23248 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:26:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14315; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14138; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14116; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:47 -0500 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id LAA06902 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:22:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:22:45 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: 730T Suitcase model] Message-ID: <20000307112245.A6873@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <38C4E079.8013598A@snet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38C4E079.8013598A@snet.net>; from Marc Swanson on Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 05:56:57AM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 05:56:57AM -0500, Marc Swanson wrote: > I got mine on eBay, but from what I hear they are NOT that easy to > come by---anyway, the part # is 79F6423, and it will also work (they > say) with the N33SX computer. Hmmm. Is the floppy for the suitcase different than the floppy for the desktop docking station? that is what we're talking about right, an external floppy with a little centronics connector? What is an N33SX? I ordered a floppy with a Thinkpad 760 cable from an ebay guy; it supposedly has the same connector. It should be here in a day or two and I will find out if it works with my 730T. -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Tue Mar 7 13:33:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23329 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:33:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15019; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:31:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14903; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14890; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.57 -> mail7.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:30:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 17363 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2000 18:30:46 -0000 Received: from dialup-209.245.140.149.sanjose1.level3.net (HELO thinkpad760) (209.245.140.149) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 18:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <014301bf8863$854625d0$b18cf5d1@thinkpad760> Reply-To: "sk560" From: "sk560" To: "Stuart Biggar" Cc: References: <200003071804.LAA11218@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:32:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: i've been using Win2k since beta3...... on 560E and now 760XD. no problem at all with 560E..... but have some sound problem in 760XD.... maybe mwave is the problem. real player and winamp will pause anytime when the os is trying to make some 'noise' or when icq is trying to 'uh-oh'. i've disabled all system and icq sounds.... didn't fix the problem. overall, i'm very impress with win2k o thinkpads. seekit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Biggar" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro > I guess you have had better luck than I have. > > With my 770E (NT4 SP3 preload from IBM), I get various > kinds of crashes: > > blue screens, probably due to faulty GPIB drivers from > National Instruments (IEEE-488 adapters, both PCI and > PCMCIA, to interface with HP and other instruments). > > video crashes resulting in a locked machine with screens > of various colors (grey usually) or a repeating pattern > of vertical bars. I have gotten this with various revs > of the IBM 770E video driver for NT. It hasn't happened > (yet) with the latest one I recently put in. It has > happened with the previous 2 or 3 revs (which I was told > to use by IBM support due to other problems). These bugs > seem to be triggered by something in Adobe Acrobat 4 and > some other applications (X-server for NT from Sun, etc). > I have to resort to the recessed reset switch (the normal > power switch is inop) to turn the machine off after a > video crash. The machine is really locked up as I can't > get even a ping response over the net when it crashes. > > Other blue screens which I haven't been able to trace. > > Errors with Excel (office 97 SP2) that cause the MS Visual > C++ debugger to load the assembly code for Excel. Just > what I want to see ... > > NT explorer crashes and restarts ... > > and so on. Note that Sun Solaris x86 running on the same > machine doesn't crash so I don't have hardware problems. > Solaris uses the same PCMCIA ethernet and modem cards as NT. > The 770E has also been back to IBM for CPU card and inverter > replacement - still have NT crashes (but not with Solaris). > Machine has 224 MB of RAM and a 14 GB disk. > > I guess maybe it is time to try Win2K to see if it works > better than NT4 for me. > > Stuart > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 > Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 > Optical Sciences Center > University of Arizona > Meinel Building > PO Box 210094 > Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > > I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 > > become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K > > might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and > > seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ > > marketing. > > > > > than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more > > > stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of > > > Millenium is simply terrible! > > > > > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Mar 7 14:14:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23718 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:14:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18989; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18708; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18690; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:52 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust224.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.224]) id QQifng20990; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:10:38 GMT Message-ID: <38C5546F.F7249DE9@cheatriver.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 14:11:43 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Biggar CC: r.briganti@bellemead.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro References: <200003071804.LAA11218@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As a user of Windows NT 4.0 Server on several TP, I recommend that you install SP5 or SP6a. I found that SP5 corrected a lot of small interface problems which resulted in crashes, garbage screens, etc. Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Tue Mar 7 14:21:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23819 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19508; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:17:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19410; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19245; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:15:11 -0500 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 12SPRl-0001cj-00; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:15:09 -0500 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:10:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: James H. E. Maugham wrote: >To the best of my limited knowledge, there's no such thing as "Windows 2000". >You've got two choices with W2K, W2K Professional or W2K Server (and advanced >server), but there's no plain vanilla W2K. Hello, Well we will see. I am clueless as well. I assumed that "Millenium" is the codename of the product and the release name will be W2K or W2K Home. Why call something "Pro" if you do not have anything regular? I know changing the name to W2K has caused some confusion as it seems people have to add "formerly NT" in the description. It seemed people initially thought when the W2K beta came out that it was the replacement for Win98. I run Windows NT at work because the company buys the computers and I can get a PIII 550 with 384 Megs of Ram and gigabytes of storage space. I recognize that NT is pretty stable but do not like how it eats up resources. So I use other operating systems at home. I am not extremely anti-M$ but think you should be able to use a Operating System that fits your needs and your hardware. I like using OS/2 for internet stuff as the IBM TCP/IP implementation for OS/2 seems very good (A unix magazine actually had good words to say about it). I am starting to do more stuff in linux and I am considering turning my TP365ED into a Linux laptop (maybe with OS/2 as well). The major problem is that some internet stuff that I use (like Real Audio G2) is only available in Win95/98/NT so I need to keep windows around for stuff I can not get on other operating systems. 73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU From cph Tue Mar 7 14:23:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23851 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:23:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19938; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19837; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19822; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:21:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA78728; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:20:50 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:20:50 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "James H. E. Maugham" cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Eric Cottrell [mailto:ecottrell@Doble.com] wrote: > > > I get the impression that Microsoft is pulling another marketing ploy here. > > It seems like they are just putting in some improvements and changing > > the name. So the end result are two products, Windows 2000 and Windows > > 2000 Pro. > > To the best of my limited knowledge, there's no such thing as "Windows 2000". > You've got two choices with W2K, W2K Professional or W2K Server (and advanced > server), but there's no plain vanilla W2K. I guess one is just the client version and one is the server version. Atleast it wasn't like before where there was a small business version, terminal edition, etc. > > Looking at the names and the interface it seems like the same underlying > > product with the Pro having additional features like security, ntfs, etc. > > But I get the feeling that Windows 2000, aka Millenium, is still Real Mode > > MSDOS with protective mode extensions and Windows 2000 Pro is still a > > 32 bit protective mode OS with emulation of real mode MSDOS. > > Ah, here's the problem! W2K is NOT Windows Millenium. W2K is based on > NT and is NT5! Millenium is the replacement for W98 and is very > different than W2K. Rather than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ > redesign of NT4 and a _much_ more stable OS. MS has hit one out of the > park with W2K. Conversely, my Beta of Millenium is simply terrible! Yeah, I wished Millennium was as good as Win98 itself and had some improvements. What problems were you experiencing? I tried Build 2470 on my desktop and that version gave me the Blue Screen of Death when I tried to use Free Alta Vista Internet Access as soon as it tries to talk to the modem. It also had Windows Media Player missing and then Norton SystemWorks 2000 SystemTray doesn't seem to work so all the icons were shown individually on the system tray. Recently I tried Build 2476 and the Alta Vista Internet and the Windows Media Player worked fine. However, on both versions, I tried to install on the TP 770Z and as soon as it finishes the checking for installed components, it tells me that the ThinkPad modem drivers are not compatible with Windows Millennium so it boots me back to Win98SE afterwards. That was the only problem I had. Which version did you try? I have a question though, when I installed ME, I chose the option to save a backup of the old os so I can uninstall and I did try the uninstall before on 2470 and went back to win98SE without problems. But how do I either delete the old backup and what happenened if I went with a newer WinME and didn't choose the save backup copy after installing WinME over Win98 and choosing the save a copy, can I still uninstall back to Win98? > If W95 floats your boat, run with it. I've got more than a hundred systems > running W95 quite happily and they'll continue doing so for the foreseeable > future, at least until we start seeing a bunch of Pent. IIs entering the > donation supply chain. To be honest, Win95 seems to be way better than Win98 atleast in managing system resources. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Mar 7 15:48:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24682 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:48:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26775; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26558; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26528; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:17 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax21.vramp.net [198.138.8.84]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA72193; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:45:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "R Briganti" , Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:49:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <04f301bf885c$6aee3cb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: R Briganti [mailto:r.briganti@bellemead.com] wrote: > I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 > become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K > might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and > seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ > marketing. My personal experience was with several systems running NT4/SP4 and the difficulties I had with them, primarily BSODs in both Word and Excel in Office95. I've upgraded two of the systems to W2K and Office2K and they're now running fine. The other system had the SP5 pack installed and has settled down. Another experience is once removed but still "firsthand", and that's the system my wife (and coincidentally my daughter) is on with her company. Approx. 600 portables (primarily TP600s and TP770s, with a smattering of TP760s and even a few Compaq Elites) on a dialup system (through Compuserve! go figure) and running a mix of everything from Office95 & Office97, to Lotus Notes to Reflection under NT4/SP3. I have held my wife's hand through _DAILY_ BSODs and spent innumerable (and free!) hours discussing the situation with both the internal help desk and the company's external consultants. (This has frequently been extremely frustrating. For instance, their work around for the poor performance of the internal 56K V90 modem in the TP600s under NT4 was to install Xircom Realport 56K Global Access PCMCIA modems in all of them!) I've eliminated my wife's laptop problems by installing SP5 on her TP600 and updating all her drivers from IBM. However this has not eliminated the daily system lockups that occur on the laptops used by her people who are still running SP3. Yes, this is all primarily anecdotal, but my experience has been that NT4 on laptops is a disaster. Unless you're being paid by the hour to support it. ;-) Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 7 16:05:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24813 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:05:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28780; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:04:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28656; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28641; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:03:57 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.76.248]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000307210354.TZCQ24363.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:03:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000307160248.00b80290@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:02:48 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro In-Reply-To: References: <04f301bf885c$6aee3cb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:49 PM 03/07/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Yes, this is all primarily anecdotal, but my experience has been that NT4 on >laptops is a disaster. Unless you're being paid by the hour to support it. ;-) > And I've been running NT4 on laptops (mostly ThinkPads) since Beta2 with little to no problems - go figure! (Computers are weird...) From cph Tue Mar 7 17:46:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25666 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:46:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08565; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:44:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08233; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08220; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.118 -> pilot018.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:44:50 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.69]) by pilot018.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA50158 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:44:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000307174501.009e2d00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:45:01 -0500 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro In-Reply-To: References: <04f301bf885c$6aee3cb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think James's comments are rather accurate. I'd only add that once things are set up correctly, NT on laptops seems to be very very stable. But getting there can be hell. At least its starting to sound like W2K is going to be basically better in this respect; I have higher hopes for the next generation of Windows products now than I did six months ago. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 03:49 PM 3/7/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: [snip] >I have held my wife's hand through _DAILY_ BSODs and spent innumerable (and >free!) hours discussing the situation with both the internal help desk and the >company's external consultants. (This has frequently been extremely frustrating. >For instance, their work around for the poor performance of the internal 56K V90 >modem in the TP600s under NT4 was to install Xircom Realport 56K Global Access >PCMCIA modems in all of them!) > >I've eliminated my wife's laptop problems by installing SP5 on her TP600 and >updating all her drivers from IBM. However this has not eliminated the daily >system lockups that occur on the laptops used by her people who are still >running SP3. > >Yes, this is all primarily anecdotal, but my experience has been that NT4 on >laptops is a disaster. Unless you're being paid by the hour to support it. ;-) [snip] From cph Tue Mar 7 17:56:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25765 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:56:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09559; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09458; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09444; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:19 -0500 Received: from zaphod ([24.112.41.175]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000307225518.KFPS19066.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@zaphod> for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:55:18 -0800 From: Thomas Koschate Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:55:17 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On 2000-03-07 13:04:07, Stuart Biggar wrote: >to use by IBM support due to other problems). These bugs >seem to be triggered by something in Adobe Acrobat 4 and I've got to say that I've found NT 4 to be quite stable on my ThinkPad, with the exception of Adobe Acrobat 4, which hangs every time I've ever tried it. Acrobat 3, on the other hand has been fine. I've kept up to date with service packs (at 6a now), and the various device driver updates, which has probably helped. For the explorer crashes, I tend to use Mijenix PowerDesk rather than Windows Explorer, so I almost never have that problem. The only difficulty I ever run into that's peculiar to the ThinkPad is the occasional lockup when coming back from hibernation or standby modes. These tend to require the magic reset button. ============================================================= Thomas Koschate koschate@bigfoot.com For PGP Key, see http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF45280AD ============================================================= "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible." Albert Einstein (1879-1955) From cph Tue Mar 7 18:25:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25961 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:25:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12241; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:21:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11904; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11890; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:21:53 -0500 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh6-port149.snet.net [204.60.43.149]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id SAA00747; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:21:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C58F18.C3B244F6@snet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:22:00 -0500 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [Fwd: 730T Suitcase model] References: <38C4E079.8013598A@snet.net> <20000307112245.A6873@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, I don't know what kind of "cable" you are getting, but the unit I have has the little Centronics connector at the end, but it goes straight into the unit itself, i.e., no connection on the rear of the physical drive itself...hmmm! Interesting...I am very interested to know, once you get your unit, the type of configuration, and how well it works. I was always told there was just one compatible floppy for the -730x series, perhaps I was misinformed...good luck! Marc S. From cph Tue Mar 7 18:33:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26039 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13257; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:30:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12720; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12676; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:29:51 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax11.vramp.net [198.138.8.74]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA82710; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Kathe Robin" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38C5546F.F7249DE9@cheatriver.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Max/Kathe Robin [mailto:kathe@cheatriver.com] wrote: > As a user of Windows NT 4.0 Server on several TP, I recommend that you > install SP5 or SP6a. I found that SP5 corrected a lot of small > interface problems which resulted in crashes, garbage screens, etc. I'm probably going to get in trouble, but I just _gotta_ ask. Why would you run NT4 Server on a laptop? Why not Client? Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 7 18:36:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26053 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:36:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14073; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13790; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13736; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:33:08 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:38:27 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'James H. E. Maugham'" , Kathe Robin Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:38:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Development purposes, mainly. If you need various server products running on your Thinkpad while designing apps, it works well. By server products I mean some version of IIS, SQL Server, Oracle, etc. Basically your machine would be acting as both the client and the server. Greg -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:34 PM To: Kathe Robin Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Max/Kathe Robin [mailto:kathe@cheatriver.com] wrote: > As a user of Windows NT 4.0 Server on several TP, I recommend that you > install SP5 or SP6a. I found that SP5 corrected a lot of small > interface problems which resulted in crashes, garbage screens, etc. I'm probably going to get in trouble, but I just _gotta_ ask. Why would you run NT4 Server on a laptop? Why not Client? Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 7 20:43:26 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26933 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:43:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21758; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:30:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21602; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21587; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:30:31 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax11.vramp.net [198.138.8.74]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA90647; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:30:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Greg Langham" , "Kathe Robin" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:34:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] wrote: > Development purposes, mainly. If you need various server products running on > your Thinkpad while designing apps, it works well. By server products I mean > some version of IIS, SQL Server, Oracle, etc. > > Basically your machine would be acting as both the client and the server. Gotcha, thanks Greg. The fact that performing that type of work is several light years distant from what I attempt to do with laptops should be taken as a given by all! Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 7 21:42:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27311 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:42:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26007; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:39:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25895; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25880; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (24.2.1.66 -> ha1.rdc1.il.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:39:14 -0500 Received: from c137335b ([24.17.39.54]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000308023913.YAIR23288.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@c137335b> for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:39:13 -0800 From: "Scott Stratmoen" To: "Thinkpad List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Windows 2000 / CS4237B SRS 3D Sound w/ 770 9845-30U Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:38:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000001bf88a7$6bcac4f0$36271118@c137335b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I am curious if anyone has found a workaround for the following problem with the 770's CS4237B SRS 3D sound and Windows 2000 Pro. What I found is that when W2K initializes the sound driver upon system start the SRS 3D sound is not enabled with the current slider values from the mixer applet. Subsequent movement of either center or space causes the values of sliders to be written into the sound chip, thus correctly enabling 3D sound. Using a debugger I found that the driver writes the correct value to the chip during initialization but subsequently follows up with a write that sets the values to what approximates 50% for both space and center. This is an obvious bug in the driver. Fixing the driver is not simple given the VERY disorganized mess I found. I guess that it could be possible to write a patch to zap this register upon boot but finding free space to put the patch into the driver has not been obvious. Note that I sent this issue into Microsoft along with a detailed technical description. From cph Wed Mar 8 00:22:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28380 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:22:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04993; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:20:49 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04730; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:20:49 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id AAA24604 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00342; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.178 -> web3807.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20000307211751.14042.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.253.2] by web3807.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:17:51 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: [Fwd: 730T Suitcase model] To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: >From the best of my knolege they are the same. Never heard of a N33SX..sorry Garrett --- "Shawn T. Rutledge" wrote: > On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 05:56:57AM -0500, Marc > Swanson wrote: > > I got mine on eBay, but from what I hear they > are NOT that easy to > > come by---anyway, the part # is 79F6423, and it > will also work (they > > say) with the N33SX computer. > > Hmmm. Is the floppy for the suitcase different than > the floppy for the > desktop docking station? that is what we're talking > about right, an > external floppy with a little centronics connector? > > > What is an N33SX? > > I ordered a floppy with a Thinkpad 760 cable from an > ebay guy; it supposedly > has the same connector. It should be here in a day > or two and I will find > out if it works with my 730T. > > -- > _______ > http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud > (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger > rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com > __) | | > \__________________________________________________________________ > Get money for spare CPU cycles at > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Wed Mar 8 01:20:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28631 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:20:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07532; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07454; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07441; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:13 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip124.bedford8.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.78.124]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02294 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bf88c6$337c9cd0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <04f301bf885c$6aee3cb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Indeed the "More Stability" ploy is just that... a ploy. I've witnessed no increase in stability in W2K- it "feels" and plays like Windows NT 4 with parts of windows 98 glued to the top of it and glued to the side. More Fake marketing BS from microsoft: The "Less Reboots" thing is totally bull, I removed one protocol (netbeui) and did a few things in the network control panel, and was bugged to reboot the system at least 3 times. "Active Directory" is hardly ready for primetime, this "fake NDS" has a long way to go before it will work respectably. I have used Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98, 98SE, and Windows NT 4.0 Workstation / SP5 on my TP770 with no problems- if I did have a problem with any of the above it is because of something -I- caused. Win 9X is typically -less- stable but that doesn't mean you can't get it to give you a configuration that will run reliably. You just have to keep a few ideas in mind when running 9X, because it doesnt tolerate having a million programs open at once, especially GDI sucking programs like 90% of those things that sit in your system tray. It could be said that if you have more than like 3-5 things pop up in the win9x system tray, then you're probably asking for trouble. A client at one of my locations went from having tons of trouble with her 98SE laptop to having almost none after I disabled 85% of the garbage that was loading in her system tray. Strange apps (i.e. anything made by Symantec er Symantrash) can cause problems as well, loading -junk- software onto a w9X machine is a sure way to destroy it. (i.e. the people that download every cute piece of shareware they see and install it, are asking for big trouble with win9x) OTOH, NT 4/2000 lets you load it up with tons of junk software, and it usually will play nice provided that none of the software has installed a bad low level driver for something. You can basically open as much as your memory allows with no fear of blowing the system up, NT does not appear to have the same GDI/USER limitations that 9X has- in NT they're virtually unlimited, in 9X you get a fixed amount of GDI/USER, this is a throwback to the old windows 3.X days where you were limited to running 16 different programs at once- 9X is probably double or triple this, but it depends on the apps that have been loaded and how much of the "special user/gdi" they try to suck up... some apps will suck up very littlfe of this memory, and other apps will suck up tons. That being said I could come to the following- W9X is fine if you obey its limitations- it is great for most laptop applications, where typically the user won't have the machine up for a long period of time anyways. If it leaks memory, so what? You're going to shut the machine down in less than a few hours anyways. NT 4/2000 is better if you really hammer the crap out of any computer you use, and it is also better if your going to be working for long periods of time. (leaving programs running overnight, or for days at a time ) The other thing, that i've always encountered with NT, is if it is blowing up all over the place, you have one of two problems: 1. Your hardware sucks. (it's broken, defective, or just plain not compatible) 2. Your drivers are incorrectly loaded or corrupted, or the manufacturer really mangled the driver. -Use Windows 9X if you can't/won't take advantage of what NT gives you- on many laptops, this is about all you can do because of lack of device drivers. Thankfully this isn't a problem with IBM most of the time. -Use Windows NT 4.0 if you don't need the features and bloat that win2k provides, but still need better stability. -Use Windows 2000 if you have above average memory (128M MINIMUM!) and a lot of HDD space you dont mind wasting (About 600 megs) aside from the two faults I just mentioned, it will do almost everything Win9X and NT 4.0 does with no problem. Also provides USB support and better hibernation + hotswap functionality than NT 4.0. (In NT4.0 with my network card, if I tell the box to hibernate, and restore, the network card never comes back on, in 2000 it has no problem turning back on) Keep in mind that at this point, most FAX/TAPI/CDR/Invasive software will not work with win2K, so if you need to do any of those kind of things, then it is good to wait till about 2001. -Use Linux (insert favorite distro here) if you have no need to run Win32 apps. The advantages of Linux is that it will probably run beautifully on scores of "junk" laptops with modest CPU and memory requirements. If worse comes to worse, you can take a pair of shears out and cut Linux down to the form factor you need it to have on a particular computer. An interesting after affect is that sometimes linux will even run on hardware that was considered broken. Granted it is not a viable choice for most people due toa somewhat limited software selection, but for some folks it works out. It's free, runs forever, and tolerates junk hardware better than most operating systems. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: R Briganti [mailto:r.briganti@bellemead.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:42 PM > To: James H. E. Maugham; Cottrell, Eric; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro > > > I agree that W95 and its progeny are inherently unstable, when did NT 4 > become an unstable O/S so that W2K could become "much more stable?" W2K > might be different, but my NT4 systems are quite stable. I've heard and > seen this comment before but don't understand its source other than M$ > marketing. > > > than a "marketing ploy" W2K is a _major_ redesign of NT4 and a > _much_ more > > stable OS. MS has hit one out of the park with W2K. Conversely, > my Beta of > > Millenium is simply terrible! > > > From cph Wed Mar 8 04:14:59 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA29154 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:14:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17459; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:09:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17140; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.gkgoh.com.sg (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17125; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.gkgoh.com.sg (203.127.153.189 -> smtp.gkgoh.com.sg) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 04:08:58 -0500 Received: by gkg5 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:02:44 +0800 Message-ID: <52E30357ED66D31186FA0090273AA162BE74A2@gkg5> From: Heah S Y Peter **SIEX1 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe to thinkpad mailing list Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:02:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: From cph Wed Mar 8 08:33:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30458 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:33:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04130; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:30:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03897; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03882; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:30:19 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200003081330.IAA03882@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (206.81.128.1 -> slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:30:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 806 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2000 13:30:13 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 798 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2000 13:30:12 -0000 Received: from adialup251.slkc.uswest.net (HELO mellor) (209.181.85.251) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2000 13:30:12 -0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:26:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: last night's conference Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody have a spin on what was said at the silicone valley conference. Is the internet going to be the operating system? what would that do to any supposed privacy. using the internet as a requirement to operate your system seem a little 1984ish. ps it did seem like most on the panel were afraid to rock the microsoft boat From cph Wed Mar 8 10:55:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31403 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:55:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16437; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16183; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16161; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003081554.KAA16161@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:16 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri16.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.241]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80LZM; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:54:09 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:50:50 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sound problem. List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id KAA16437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA31404 I'm using a 600E thinkpad, under OS/2 Warp Server for e-b. I've downloaded all the drivers that i could find. I have video working (although the drivers for the NeoMagic are kinda slow on 1024x768), the TrackPoint, and the configuration utility. But i can't make the sound work. The driver for the 600E on IBM's website will install fine, (it shows up on the Hardware Manager), but no sound comes out. I even tryed the latest drivers from Crystal, but thouse didn't work either. The chipset that the 600E uses is the Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Acceleration CS4610/11 (its a Crystal chipset). I couldn't find drivers for it for Linux either. Any help would be appriciated. PS: btw, does the personalization editor thing exist for OS/2? because the personal.exe that i tryed to use says it wont run for some reason. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "PijLaj-MonajiaMouOla.mp3" (1:07/4:39) From cph Wed Mar 8 10:55:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31407 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:55:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16465; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16142; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16109; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003081554.KAA16109@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:09 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri16.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.241]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80LZK; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:54:06 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000201bf88c6$337c9cd0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id KAA16465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA31408 On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:03 -0500, Mike Capone wrote: >Indeed the "More Stability" ploy is just that... a ploy. >More Fake marketing BS from microsoft: >-Use Linux (insert favorite distro here) if you have no need to Have you tryed OS/2 ? :) Its everything Linux is, and more. Appart from 'server' it can also be a better Desktop than Linux. Although it does have some limitations on software like Linux. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Wed Mar 8 11:11:52 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31518 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:11:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18351; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18248; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18208; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:21 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-8.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.8]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA50006 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:05:05 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003081605.SAA50006@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:09:14 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003081554.KAA16161@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: sound problem. X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.08 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 at 03:50 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , said: >I'm using a 600E thinkpad, under OS/2 Warp Server for e-b. I've >downloaded all the drivers that i could find. I have video working >(although the drivers for the NeoMagic are kinda slow on 1024x768), the >TrackPoint, and the configuration utility. I agree with you: the NeoMagic drivers for the TP600 are slow, if I compare them with the drivers for the TP560X (also NeoMagic, under OS/2) or with the windoze drivers on the same machine. >But i can't make the sound work. The driver for the 600E on IBM's website >will install fine, (it shows up on the Hardware Manager), but no sound >comes out. I even tryed the latest drivers from Crystal, but thouse >didn't work either. I had no problem getting the sound to work on my TP600E under Warp 4, using the latest audio package found on IBM's pages. Does the sound work under windoze (if you still have it installed)? Have you tried to increase the sound level with Fn+PgUp? >btw, does the personalization editor thing exist for OS/2? because the >personal.exe that i tryed to use says it wont run for some reason. Yes, personal.exe works under OS/2, but it's a Win3.1 application. Do you have WinOS/2 installed? HTH, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 8 11:17:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31553 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19135; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:16:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19001; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18844; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:15:02 -0500 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12Sj6v-0002Rb-00; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:14:58 -0500 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'dlillie@uswest.net'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: More Opinon: RE: last night's conference Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I do not know about that but there is an announcement expected in a day or two that Microsoft is going to take on the big boys in the Game Console industry. Platform is suppose to be ready in 2001 and can (of course) connect to the internet out of the box. Well after Microsoft "won" over IBM I guess they feel they can take on Sony and the like. I find it interesting that IBM is usually considered the underdog these days given total IBM revenue is several times bigger than Microsoft. I personally doubt the "internet" itself is going to be an operating system. It is just a bunch of protocols and standards. You could model an UI on the applications used on the internet. You can make the computer totally dependant on the internet, like WebTV, but there are some interesting problems with it. One example is Web TV's owner, Microsoft, being slow in supporting real audio G2 because it is pushing it's own formats. I remember years ago the idea of the "Net" computer where there is minimum local storage and everything (including Apps) are loaded >from the net. Unfortunely not everyone in the world has unlimited local service and of course there are security issues. I think the idea was partly killed by the cheap storage available. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: dlillie@uswest.net [mailto:dlillie@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:27 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: last night's conference Does anybody have a spin on what was said at the silicone valley conference. Is the internet going to be the operating system? what would that do to any supposed privacy. using the internet as a requirement to operate your system seem a little 1984ish. ps it did seem like most on the panel were afraid to rock the microsoft boat From cph Wed Mar 8 11:59:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31807 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:59:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24372; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24200; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2.y12.doe.gov (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24163; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange2.y12.doe.gov (134.167.250.19 -> exchange2.ctd.ornl.gov) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:31 -0500 Received: by exchange2.ctd.ornl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:30 -0500 Message-ID: <5E6DA486E1C3D311B8550000F881B4510123BD94@exchange1.ctd.ornl.gov> From: "McNeely, Brooks N. (BNM)" To: "'sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S.'" , thinkpad Subject: RE: sound problem. Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:57:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA31808 I'm not very knowledgable about technical problems, but I had a similar episode on my TP770. After an embarrassing length of time, I discovered that I had a little dial on the side of my computer that was set at 0. Once I dialed in a higher number, the sound miraculously appeared. Brooks -----Original Message----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:51 AM To: thinkpad Subject: sound problem. I'm using a 600E thinkpad, under OS/2 Warp Server for e-b. I've downloaded all the drivers that i could find. I have video working (although the drivers for the NeoMagic are kinda slow on 1024x768), the TrackPoint, and the configuration utility. But i can't make the sound work. The driver for the 600E on IBM's website will install fine, (it shows up on the Hardware Manager), but no sound comes out. I even tryed the latest drivers from Crystal, but thouse didn't work either. The chipset that the 600E uses is the Cirrus Logic CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Acceleration CS4610/11 (its a Crystal chipset). I couldn't find drivers for it for Linux either. Any help would be appriciated. PS: btw, does the personalization editor thing exist for OS/2? because the personal.exe that i tryed to use says it wont run for some reason. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "PijLaj-MonajiaMouOla.mp3" (1:07/4:39) From cph Wed Mar 8 12:35:26 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32045 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:35:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28770; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:33:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28571; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28552; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003081733.MAA28552@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:33:06 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri19.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.244]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80L6D; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:32:59 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:47:58 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: suspend List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id MAA28770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA32046 Can i put my laptop in suspend mode and plug the external diskdrive in while i'm using OS/2? (thats what hot-swap is right?) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Sabbatovrado.mp3" (1:59/3:35) From cph Wed Mar 8 15:19:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00788 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:19:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12451; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:16:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12250; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lh2.rdc2.tx.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12237; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lh2.rdc2.tx.home.com (24.4.0.67 -> ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:16:36 -0500 Received: from CX417385-A ([24.4.101.35]) by lh2.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000308201634.HOQP10089.lh2.rdc2.tx.home.com@CX417385-A> for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:16:34 -0800 From: "Bill.Fayssoux" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:20:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: subscribe Message-Id: <20000308201634.HOQP10089.lh2.rdc2.tx.home.com@CX417385-A> List-Unsubscribe: From cph Wed Mar 8 16:32:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01310 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:32:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21189; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21011; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20965; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA05031 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:28:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000308132514.00d66670@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:28:35 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: W2K Pro on TP 380Z? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Has anybody updated their ThinkPad 380Z from NT 4 to W2K Pro? I'm seriously thinking of updating my system in order to get better power management and finally be able to use the USB ports, but thought I'd ask first to see if there are any known problems before I begin. My 380Z is currently running the IBM pre-load of NT Workstation 4 with 96MB RAM. The only conflicts/problems I expect I'll see (if any) are with IBM specific drivers. Thanks in advance. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Mar 8 17:15:57 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01701 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:15:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24997; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:14:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24860; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24843; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:14:21 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:19:44 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'David Goldman'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: W2K Pro on TP 380Z? Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:19:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I've not used a 380, but w2k pro found all of my hardware on my 770z. That included video, modem, sound, pcmcia, etc. I would suspect it would do similar on the 380. Greg -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman [mailto:David@dgoldman.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:29 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: W2K Pro on TP 380Z? Has anybody updated their ThinkPad 380Z from NT 4 to W2K Pro? I'm seriously thinking of updating my system in order to get better power management and finally be able to use the USB ports, but thought I'd ask first to see if there are any known problems before I begin. My 380Z is currently running the IBM pre-load of NT Workstation 4 with 96MB RAM. The only conflicts/problems I expect I'll see (if any) are with IBM specific drivers. Thanks in advance. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Mar 8 17:51:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01958 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:51:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27337; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:45:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27157; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27141; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:45:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA10893; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:45:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:45:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Jackowski To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: suspend In-Reply-To: <200003081733.MAA28552@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA01959 On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > Can i put my laptop in suspend mode and plug the external diskdrive in > while i'm using OS/2? (thats what hot-swap is right?) Changing stuff while in suspend mode is a warm swap. That works for me with OS/2 an a TP765D. Unless the floppy device driver settings are correct, the drive may appear as A or B. Give it a try. > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Sabbatovrado.mp3" (1:59/3:35) Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Wed Mar 8 18:13:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02091 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:13:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28813; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:06:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28704; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28689; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:06:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003082306.SAA28689@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:06:53 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80L89; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:06:48 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sound fixed List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id SAA28813 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA02092 I fixed the sound problem. I used the Configuration util to disable the InfraRed port which used DMA3, and changed the secondary DMA that the sound chipset used from DMA0 to DMA3. If i had some InfraRed device i would like to see if InfraRed works with DMA0, although i doubt it. Thank you all for your valuable responces, especialy Brooks who said something about a zero value which gave me a clue :) Now i'll just have to figure out why MIDI makes thouse clicks. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-ToZeimpekikoTouArxaggelou.mp3" (0:42/3:11) From cph Wed Mar 8 19:11:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA02466 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03047; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:08:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02853; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02837; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:08:37 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16591 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:08:33 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101bf895b$ae8452c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: CD replacement compatibility question Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:09:04 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: How compatible are CD-Roms between laptops? The internal 4x on one of our laptops (a Micron Transport) has died, I want to know if I can replace it with an 8x >from a ThinkPad (I don't know which TP model it is from, the IBM part number is 82H8842, or FRU# 82H8851; maybe the TP760?) As to why I even imagine that it *might* work: the Micron drive was a Sanyo CRD-S54PMC (I assume the "MC" was for "Micron Computers"), the drive on this model was superceded about a month after I bought it by the CRD-S58PMC (without AFAIK any other changes in the laptop), and the TP drive is a Sanyo CRD-S58P. Thanks in advance for any input. - David David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph Wed Mar 8 21:50:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA03334 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:50:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12579; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:47:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12427; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12413; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:47:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003090247.VAA12413@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:47:23 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80L99; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:47:18 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:18:07 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more sound!? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id VAA12579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA03335 I noticed that Hardware Detection was disabled, so i enabled it to Full detection and did a reboot, which resoulted in the sound to be disabled. Disabling hardware detection allows the sound to play again. Which could mean that the problem wasn't because of the DMA's that i changed but because i had also disabled Hardware Detection. Has software quality dropped in the last 2-3 years? or am i too picky? I wonder what happened to Software Quality Control and the usual. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-SanKatadikosDrapetis.mp3" (1:16/3:11) From cph Wed Mar 8 23:23:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03762 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:23:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17982; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:20:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17754; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17740; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:20:05 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.0.031) id 38C6C6C10000F735 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:11:50 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:20:03 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: more sound!? List-Unsubscribe: >I noticed that Hardware Detection was disabled, so i enabled it to Full >detection >and did a reboot, which resoulted in the sound to be disabled. Disabling >hardware >detection allows the sound to play again. > >Which could mean that the problem wasn't because of the DMA's that i changed >but because i had also disabled Hardware Detection. > >Has software quality dropped in the last 2-3 years? or am i too picky? I >wonder >what happened to Software Quality Control and the usual. On my Thinkpad 365X, I cannot allow Windows95 Retail to detect hardware during an install, because the video gets scrambled to the point where I have to shut off and restart in safe recovery mode. I think that Windows95 thinks it has the driver it needs, but it is mistaken. Lots of times you don't want to trust Plug N' Prey. Take care, --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Thu Mar 9 07:10:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA05307 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:10:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12164; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:06:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11971; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11957; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:06:17 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A32ACF7C00CC; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:03:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003901bf89d8$c5f6f2a0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: 730T Win95 install q's Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:04:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have tried for over a week to install win to a 730T with no success to the 105mb drive. At the moment I have no ext floppy. How do you get around the need for 92mb of free space when you need ~33mb of install files? I have tried all of the tricks I can think of and I still come up short. I have even tried to install win3.1 and then install win95 to update win3.1 I'm still short drive space. Any use of DBLSPACE does not work because my laptop and desktop machines use win98. Running short of ideas. What is the bare # of ".cab" files necessary to install win95? I'm trying to do it with 1-17 and this is still too many. Which cab's can be eliminated? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 From cph Thu Mar 9 07:17:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA05341 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:17:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12594; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:15:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12462; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.fwi.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12449; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.fwi.com (209.84.160.144 -> mail.fwi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:15:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 1303 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 12:15:02 -0000 Received: from fw-line-28.fwi.com (HELO pjaneenm) (209.84.172.33) by mail.fwi.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 12:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01bf89c1$0f5538c0$21ac54d1@pjaneenm> From: "Janeen" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:14:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Janeen From cph Thu Mar 9 08:36:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA05616 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:36:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18694; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:33:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18559; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18546; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:33:18 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial20.auto-net.com [208.154.252.69]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA47313 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:24:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38C753D8.16A08597@iso.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:33:44 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad Subject: Re: 730T Win95 install q's References: <003901bf89d8$c5f6f2a0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike, No one tol' us but it ain't easy. First, go to and you will have all the info you need. I installed 95 from a Thinkpad 755C in a docking station II w/ a CD-ROM. But when setup said restart, I put it in the 730T and it worked. Then, using Win 98 Drivespace (yes 98 - many of the 98 programs work in 95) I compressed the drive and then put the 95 setup files on it just to tweak the settings. But you will have your own story when you are done. Bill Mike Lingenfelter wrote: > I have tried for over a week to install win to a 730T with no success to the > 105mb drive. At the moment I have no ext floppy. How do you get around the > need for 92mb of free space when you need ~33mb of install files? I have > tried all of the tricks I can think of and I still come up short. > > I have even tried to install win3.1 and then install win95 to update win3.1 > I'm still short drive space. Any use of DBLSPACE does not work because my > laptop and desktop machines use win98. > > Running short of ideas. > > What is the bare # of ".cab" files necessary to install win95? > > I'm trying to do it with 1-17 and this is still too many. Which cab's can > be eliminated? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Lingenfelter > Bellwood-Antis School District > Science Department Chairperson > work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 > home# 814-941-0141 From cph Thu Mar 9 11:59:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06994 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:59:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05424; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05267; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05248; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003091657.LAA05248@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:18 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri18.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.243]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MCQ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:57:15 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:56:36 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: boot problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id LAA05424 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA06995 My TP 600E has a weird problem. One out of three reboots, it doesnt boot. It will show the IBM+Thinkpad logo, then blank the screen, make two short beeps and then reboot again. Any ideas what that is? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu Mar 9 12:55:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07556 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:55:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11786; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:51:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11665; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11649; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:51:28 -0500 Received: from andres (pm454-45.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.247]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA43978 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:51:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309125138.009faeb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:51:38 -0500 To: "thinkpad" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: boot problem In-Reply-To: <200003091657.LAA05248@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA07557 I'm not sure what those beeps mean (thats a Bill Morrow q), but I would suggest trying to boot it again, and making backups of all your important files, right then. It could well be a disk problem, and you're just lucky enough to have it still working at the moment. Far better to be safe than lose eveything. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 04:56 PM 3/9/2000 +0000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >My TP 600E has a weird problem. One out of three reboots, it doesnt boot. It will >show the IBM+Thinkpad logo, then blank the screen, make two short beeps and >then reboot again. > >Any ideas what that is? > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > >i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu Mar 9 13:09:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07666 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:09:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12994; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:05:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12765; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12729; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.33 -> oe38.law7.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:04:44 -0500 Received: (qmail 63054 invoked by uid 65534); 9 Mar 2000 18:04:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309180443.63053.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.23.20.246] From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: TP 240 questions Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:06:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone, I am new to this list so please pardon me if these topics have been raised before. I am looking to purchase a TP 240 (300 MHz) soon and would appreciate some feedback on the following topics. (If there is a FAQ on 240 related questions I would appreciate the URL.) 1) Are there any TP 240 owners out there who have moved to Windows 2000? I'd like to hear about your experiences, especially in regards to performance, battery life, and compatibility issues (if any). I am interested in using Windows 2000 so that I can take advantage of its multi-language capabilities. I would like to be able to run Japanese and Chinese software on the English version of Win2K. 2) What is the cheapest solution for adding a CD-ROM? I have heard of a networking method using an Ethernet card in my desktop (Win 95) and the laptop connected with a cable. Does anyone know of a FAQ or some other source of information on how to do this? I know very little about networking. Are there any TP owners using the portable drive bay? Any opinions? Alternatively, I could buy a third-party CD-ROM player but I am unsure which are bootable in case of a system failure. Any suggestions? 3) Is the extra-life battery sold by IBM for the TP 240 the same size as the original battery? Thanks, Eugene From cph Thu Mar 9 13:47:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07990 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:47:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16587; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:44:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16436; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16422; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:43:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003091843.NAA16422@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:43:58 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri02.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.227]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MDK; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:43:55 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:49:32 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: boot problem solved? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA16587 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA07991 Thank you all who emailed me about the boot problem. Appaerntly its because i usualy change some hardware options, and the next boot will always reset it self twice. btw, one more question :) the TFT LCD screen of my 600E is very bright at the bottom, is that normal? Its very irritating since it makes the screen look weird. It also looks like the screen is of very poor quality, i'd think that paying so much money for a laptop would buy me an LCD which would atleast look good. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Anoiji.mp3" (3:44/4:18) From cph Thu Mar 9 13:56:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08068 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:56:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17620; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17492; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17477; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:52:55 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08579; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: RE: W2K Pro on TP 380Z? Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:52:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000308132514.00d66670@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Has anybody updated their ThinkPad 380Z from NT 4 to W2K Pro? > I'm seriously thinking of updating my system in order to get > better power management and finally be able to use the USB > ports, but thought I'd ask first to see if there are any known > problems before I begin. > > My 380Z is currently running the IBM pre-load of NT Workstation 4 > with 96MB RAM. The only conflicts/problems I expect I'll see (if > any) are with IBM specific drivers. The 380Z's has the same hardware inside as some of the various 600 and 600E models. Windows 2000 runs very well on both the 600 and 600E; it should do just as nicely on the 380Z. It's a big improvement over NT4. Check IBM's web site for any specific instructions, make a full backup, then go for it. -Mike From cph Thu Mar 9 14:11:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08214 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:11:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19298; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18952; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18939; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:34 -0500 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02216; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:24 -0500 (EST) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38C7F66C.68B4046@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:07:24 -0500 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-sls i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: boot problem solved? References: <200003091843.NAA16422@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The TFTs of all the 600s I've seen don't show very uniform brightness across the screen. It sounds like you may have a defective LCD. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu Mar 9 14:11:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08228 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:11:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19303; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19046; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.csc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18982; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.csc.com (20.1.10.27 -> explorer.csc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:42 -0500 Received: from rbell1.min.csi.csc.com ([20.8.30.91] helo=csc.com) by explorer.csc.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12T8GG-0003ij-00; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <38C7F684.8BD58DF5@csc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:07:48 -0600 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: boot problem solved? References: <200003091843.NAA16422@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For the LCD problem, check with IBM tech support (1-800-772-2227). It might be a warranty issue. I know my wife's 600E does not have any brightness variation, nor does my 770. HTH, Rob "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > Thank you all who emailed me about the boot problem. > > Appaerntly its because i usualy change some hardware options, > and the next boot will always reset it self twice. > > btw, one more question :) > > the TFT LCD screen of my 600E is very bright at the bottom, is that normal? > Its very irritating since it makes the screen look weird. It also looks like the > screen is of very poor quality, i'd think that paying so much money for a > laptop would buy me an LCD which would atleast look good. From cph Thu Mar 9 14:18:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08292 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:18:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20154; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20043; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20013; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:09 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax5.vramp.net [198.138.8.68]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13310; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:15:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: boot problem solved? Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:18:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003091843.NAA16422@CS.UTK.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > the TFT LCD screen of my 600E is very bright at the bottom, is that normal? Absolutely NOT! Check that you're using the proper drivers for your OS and check the settings for your display. > Its very irritating since it makes the screen look weird. It also > looks like the > screen is of very poor quality, i'd think that paying so much money for a > laptop would buy me an LCD which would atleast look good. The displays on both my 600 and 600E are simply magnififcent. If all of your settings are correct I would strongly urge a call to IBM. Regards, James From cph Thu Mar 9 14:27:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08393 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:27:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21198; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21109; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21096; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 3571 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from dialup-209.244.104.189.sanjose1.level3.net (HELO thinkpad760) (209.244.104.189) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 19:24:07 -0000 Message-ID: <007901bf8a61$e10debf0$bd68f4d1@thinkpad760> Reply-To: "sk560" From: "sk560" To: Subject: Tp760: memory question Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:25:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01BF8A1E.D1F48C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BF8A1E.D1F48C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi... i've a question on the memory used in a 760 and 600/E. i = assumed that these systems use different kind of ram and are not = comapatible with each other... right? seekit ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BF8A1E.D1F48C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0076_01BF8A1E.D1F48C20-- __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Mar 9 15:51:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09274 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00297; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29820; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29807; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003092043.PAA29807@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:48 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri02.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.227]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80M1P; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:43:41 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:49:19 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: display problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA00297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA09279 My problem with the brightness doesn't seem to be because of drivers, since it exists before i even load an operating system. I live in the UK so i'll try to find the tech support thats close to me. The manual has some details. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Entelvais.mp3" (0:31/3:53) From cph Thu Mar 9 15:56:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09344 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:56:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00973; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:49:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00816; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00797; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:49:48 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a41.pm3-46.theriver.com [208.164.102.153]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C52C25EBB; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:48:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386DE99C.D0025088@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:48:44 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: boot problem References: <200003091657.LAA05248@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA00973 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA09345 Check everywhere inside and out for a loose connection or defective cable... when that happened to mine, the problems was solved by hand tightening everything. Ray "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > My TP 600E has a weird problem. One out of three reboots, it doesnt boot. It will > show the IBM+Thinkpad logo, then blank the screen, make two short beeps and > then reboot again. > > Any ideas what that is? > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu Mar 9 16:15:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09526 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:15:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03433; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03268; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03243; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003092114.QAA03243@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:54 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri13.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.238]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MFA; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:14:50 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:19:29 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: modem problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA03433 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA09527 It seems that i'm going to have a problem with each item in this laptop. The OS/2 modem driver refuses to install. It says that it can't copy some file to a temporary directory. Is the internal modem of the 600E one of thouse so called software modems? If it is, it means that i need this driver else i wont be able to make it work. The weird this is that the setup program works fine on my desktop. (talking about software quality...) I wonder why they made software modems, why would they want to waste CPU power on the modem signaling? (gee why does my game run slower when i connect via modem for multiplayer?) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Eida.mp3" (3:20/3:23) From cph Thu Mar 9 16:20:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09583 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:20:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04017; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03885; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03872; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:19:36 -0500 Received: from abanet.org (ipa54.miami15.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.141.54]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12583 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:19:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C8156A.4B9CC627@abanet.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:19:38 -0500 From: "David A. Donet" Reply-To: ddonet@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Battery Dies After a Few Minutes on TP 310ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: I apologize for posting this again, having done so several weeks ago. However, I received no responses to that post. Therefore, I decided to give it another try, since I have not been able to resolve the problem. After working well for the first 11 months, TP310ED starts beeping after about 10-15 minutes and goes into hibernation if I don't plug in the AC adapter. I have sent the unit in for warranty service 5 times in the last 9 months, without success. They have replaced various parts, including the screen, the keyboard and have updated the BIOS. I have also updated all of the driver matrixes, as well as W95. About 5 months ago, they also sent me a new battery, which made no difference. I have the standard equipment battery. Every time that IBM has returned the unit, they claim that it works OK at their site, but I only get about 15 minutes out of the battery before the system goes into hibernation. At that point, the battery meter shows around 85% to 95% or even more charge remaining. When the problem started, I was getting about 45 minutes out of the battery. Before that, I got about 2 to 2.5 hours out on the battery. Of course, now even the CD-ROM is acting up: it skips or even shuts down in the middle of a music CD, although it works fine with data CDs. I appreciate any assistance or guidance you may offer. David From cph Thu Mar 9 16:25:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09636 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:25:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04717; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:24:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04554; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04541; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:24:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA18718; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:24:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:24:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Jackowski To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: modem problem In-Reply-To: <200003092114.QAA03243@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > It seems that i'm going to have a problem with each item in this laptop. > > The OS/2 modem driver refuses to install. It says that it can't copy some > file to a temporary directory. Is the internal modem of the 600E one of thouse > so called software modems? If it is, it means that i need this driver else i > wont be able to make it work. The weird this is that the setup program > works fine on my desktop. > (talking about software quality...) > > I wonder why they made software modems, why would they want to waste > CPU power on the modem signaling? (gee why does my game run slower > when i connect via modem for multiplayer?) If its MWave, then the modem has its own processing power from a DSP. However, it lacks ROM, so the driver has to tell MWave how to be a modem. Since the hardware also does the sound for multimedia, the two parts are linked. Be sure you are installing the components in the right order (sound versus modem). I can't remember what the order is because I last installed OS/2 on my ThinkPad 2 years ago. Also, check any environment variables like TEMP and TMP to see if they contain a valid path to a spot for tempoaray files. If they don't, fix it. If those two variables don't exist, make them. Other than that, see if you can find out more detail on the error. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Thu Mar 9 16:34:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09683 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:34:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05735; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05586; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05555; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003092133.QAA05555@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:08 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri13.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.238]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MFP; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:33:05 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Jeff Jackowski" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:38:43 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: modem problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA05735 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA09684 On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:24:36 -0600 (CST), Jeff Jackowski wrote: >If its MWave, then the modem has its own processing power from a DSP. >However, it lacks ROM, so the driver has to tell MWave how to be a modem. >Since the hardware also does the sound for multimedia, the two parts are >linked. Be sure you are installing the components in the right order >(sound versus modem). I can't remember what the order is because I last >installed OS/2 on my ThinkPad 2 years ago. >Also, check any environment variables like TEMP and TMP to see if they >contain a valid path to a spot for tempoaray files. If they don't, fix >it. If those two variables don't exist, make them. >Other than that, see if you can find out more detail on the error. Both TEMP and TMP point to C:\TEMP, on both my laptop and desktop system. I'll try to force an install on my desktop and copy the changes manualy to the laptop, maybe that works better. The error is: "Setup is unable to copy the installation support file C:\Utils\ThinkPad\MODEM\~INS0762.LIB to a temporary location. Error 420" This is not unix so the ~ character doesn't present any problems, i even renamed the file without that character and it gives the same error. It also leaves two temp files under the C:\TEMP. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Anoiji.mp3" (4:09/4:18) From cph Thu Mar 9 16:39:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09743 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06375; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06219; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06206; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:39:07 -0500 Received: from prime(anunu035.lava.net[207.26.192.66]) (3537 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:39:03 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <003101bf8a0f$f2233780$fcf71eac@prime> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpad" References: <38C8156A.4B9CC627@abanet.org> Subject: Re: Battery Dies After a Few Minutes on TP 310ED Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:39:25 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: --Just to make sure, you have played with the hibernation and suspend settings right? IBM seems to have an additional setting to the regular windows suspend which is called hibernate which is a little different. Just go through your BIOS settings to check them. If all that is green, it really sounds like a defective main board that is suspending or hibernating your system intermittently, and or suspending due to incorrect power readings. It all points back to the main board. That's my take on it. I would definitely have a talk with a supervisor at their customer service and explain the whole situation and what you have gone through. Be sure to document what they have done so far though. If you can show IBM that they have wasted enough money trying to repair it you're more likely to get bigger parts replaced. It took a friend of mine two or three servicings before they replaced her whole display screen. Good luck, hope I've helped. --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: David A. Donet To: thinkpad Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: Battery Dies After a Few Minutes on TP 310ED > Greetings: > > I apologize for posting this again, having done so several weeks ago. > However, I received no responses to that post. Therefore, I decided to > give it another try, since I have not been able to resolve the problem. > > After working well for the first 11 months, TP310ED starts beeping after > about 10-15 minutes and goes into hibernation if I don't plug in the AC > adapter. > > I have sent the unit in for warranty service 5 times in the last 9 > months, without success. They have replaced various parts, including > the screen, the keyboard and have updated the BIOS. I have also updated > all of the driver matrixes, as well as W95. About 5 months ago, they > also sent me a new battery, which made no difference. I have the > standard equipment battery. > > Every time that IBM has returned the unit, they claim that it works OK > at their site, but I only get about 15 minutes out of the battery before > > the system goes into hibernation. At that point, the battery meter > shows around 85% to 95% or even more charge remaining. When the problem > started, I was getting about 45 minutes out of the battery. Before > that, I got about 2 to 2.5 hours out on the battery. > > Of course, now even the CD-ROM is acting up: it skips or even shuts > down in the middle of a music CD, although it works fine with data CDs. > > I appreciate any assistance or guidance you may offer. > > David > > > From cph Thu Mar 9 16:46:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09792 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:46:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07225; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:45:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06934; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mochi.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06918; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mochi.lava.net (199.222.42.11 -> mochi.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:45:02 -0500 Received: from prime(anunu035.lava.net[207.26.192.66]) (2495 bytes) by mochi.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:44:59 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <000a01bf8a10$c63783a0$fcf71eac@prime> Reply-To: "Keith @ Phoenix" From: "Keith @ Phoenix" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Win 98 computer may blue-screen when docked, awakened Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:45:21 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF89BC.F2FA2540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF89BC.F2FA2540 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01BF89BC.F2FA2540" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01BF89BC.F2FA2540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Just got this in the news. There is a fix, but it's not tested yet. =20 --keith http://www.msnbc.com/news/379665.asp?0a=3D239F2M0- ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01BF89BC.F2FA2540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--Just got this in the news.  = There is a fix,=20 but it's not tested yet. 
 
    = --keith

 http://www.ms= nbc.com/news/379665.asp?0a=3D239F2M0- ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01BF89BC.F2FA2540-- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF89BC.F2FA2540 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Win 98 computer may blue-screen when docked, awakened.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Win 98 computer may blue-screen when docked, awakened.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.msnbc.com/news/379665.asp?0a=239F2M0- [DOC#579] BASEURL=about:blank [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.msnbc.com/news/379665.asp?0a=239F2M0- Modified=006B37A7108ABF01A3 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF89BC.F2FA2540-- From cph Fri Mar 10 01:18:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12946 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:18:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05856; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05683; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05668; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:13 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-277.gate.net [199.227.173.23]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29516; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <38C89324.B9C4C721@gate.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:16:04 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sk560 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tp760: memory question References: <007901bf8a61$e10debf0$bd68f4d1@thinkpad760> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5575A0A2F55BDDA5BCA46203" List-Unsubscribe: --------------5575A0A2F55BDDA5BCA46203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, incompatible..! 760 uses EDOram and 600 uses SDram sk560 wrote: > hi... i've a question on the memory used in a 760 and 600/E. i > assumed that these systems use different kind of ram and are not > comapatible with each other... right? seekit -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------5575A0A2F55BDDA5BCA46203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, incompatible..!
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    hi... i've a question on the memory used in a 760 and 600/E. i assumed that these systems use different kind of ram and are not comapatible with each other... right? seekit

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  --------------5575A0A2F55BDDA5BCA46203-- From cph Fri Mar 10 01:20:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12961 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06100; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06015; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05993; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:20:00 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-277.gate.net [199.227.173.23]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA48466 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <38C8940A.8B0BC7BF@gate.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:19:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: A curious thing happened on the way to the Forum... :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: While strolling through the thickets of the Via Appia on the way to who knows where, it occured to me to, i don't know why, see what would happen if i did a hot swap of a drive in the 770Z ultrabay, while running w2k..! strangly, it works.. in and out, several drives, starting with a 6.4gig and ending with a 25gig.. w2k recognises them immediately.. you must stop the drive before ejecting it, but this is a small price to pay.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 10 02:39:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA13250 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:39:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09137; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:37:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08972; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08958; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.141 -> mta3.snfc21.pbi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:37:03 -0500 Received: from dan ([209.233.224.66]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with SMTP id <0FR700HH13RH5O@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:35:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:34:50 -0800 From: Dan Galender Subject: WinNT 4 on a ThinkPad 770Z To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: Hi- I'm trying to (re-)install NT 4.0 on a 770Z (which I have previously done) in a clean partition. I'm using all of the latest drivers and following the instructions provided on IBM's web site. I remember from the last time I tried this that SP 3 (or later) is required for the video driver to work properly. Now even with SP 6, after I install the Trident display driver, I get a blank screen--no visible display at all. Anyone run into this before and know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance. -Dan Galender From cph Fri Mar 10 02:55:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA13303 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:55:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09971; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:54:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09848; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09835; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:54:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003100754.CAA09835@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:54:41 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri14.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.239]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MJL; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:54:38 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:00:16 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OS/2 modem driver List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA09971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA13304 The OS/2 modem driver for the thinkpad is a rather pathetic excuse of a driver. If you have a large harddrive (with most of it free >2gb) then it will not install, gives some error that it can't copy some file. The solution is to fill your harddrive to go bellow 2gigs and then install the driver. The driver also doesn't support 56K, but goes up to 33.6 only. I bet IBM doesn't really care to upgrade it... þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "CafeMercedes-Disk1.mp3" (12:06/74:02) From cph Fri Mar 10 04:29:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA13515 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:29:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17581; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:27:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17448; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17433; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:27:48 -0500 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id JAA067.89; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:28:31 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:28:30 +0000 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS/2 modem driver Message-ID: <20000310092830.E2448@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <200003100754.CAA09835@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200003100754.CAA09835@CS.UTK.EDU>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 08:00:16AM +0000 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id EAA17581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA13516 On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 08:00:16AM +0000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > The OS/2 modem driver for the thinkpad is a rather pathetic excuse of > a driver. > > If you have a large harddrive (with most of it free >2gb) then it will not > install, gives some error that it can't copy some file. The solution is to > fill your harddrive to go bellow 2gigs and then install the driver. > > The driver also doesn't support 56K, but goes up to 33.6 only. I bet > IBM doesn't really care to upgrade it... I believe that the driver was written for IBM by some third party who probably don't have much in the way of OS/2 programming skills. In this day and age of open source software the company may release the source if approached by some top OS/2 programmer :-)... If it was released as shareware I'd definitely register a copy. However, since it's IBM responsibility to support their products it wouldn't do any harm to complain about the lack of functionality as far as the modem driver for OS/2 is concerned. The trouble is knowing where to complain effectively. > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- John From cph Fri Mar 10 09:21:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14645 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:21:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07850; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07589; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07575; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:18:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA42287; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:18:20 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:18:19 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." cc: thinkpad Subject: RE: Opinion: Windows Millenium and Windows 2000 Pro In-Reply-To: <200003081554.KAA16109@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:19:03 -0500, Mike Capone wrote: > > >Indeed the "More Stability" ploy is just that... a ploy. > >More Fake marketing BS from microsoft: > >-Use Linux (insert favorite distro here) if you have no need to > > Have you tryed OS/2 ? :) > > Its everything Linux is, and more. Appart from 'server' it can also be > a better Desktop than Linux. Although it does have some limitations > on software like Linux. OS/2 and Linux are different animals. One is a Unix variant OS. Linux is more comparable to FreeBSD or UN*X. OS/2 sorta died after version 3.0 came out. Microsoft Windows had it's root from OS/2 back in 1987 anyways since back then, it was a Microsoft/IBM partnership of OS/2. Atleast that's where the Windows kernel came from. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Fri Mar 10 11:54:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15786 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:54:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21736; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:53:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21509; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21496; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:53:12 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:53:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-050.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.50]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id KAA2809205 Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:53:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003101653.KAA2809205@smtppop2.gte.net> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:53:12 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: modem problem List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:19:29 +0000 (GMT) > The OS/2 modem driver refuses to install. It says that it can't copy some > file to a temporary directory. Are you using the driver from the disk image file at ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/mdltitos.exe? Do you have TEMP and TMP environmental variables defined in your CONFIG.SYS? If so, do they point to a directory that actually exists? Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 03/10/00, 10:53:10 From cph Fri Mar 10 13:35:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16819 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:35:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03388; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:33:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03194; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03181; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (208.240.192.2 -> haifa.royl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:33:47 -0500 Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <004101bf8abe$b07db170$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Dual display in W2K Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:30:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8A7B.A22382F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8A7B.A22382F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display under windows 2000? = How does it work? _______________________________ Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer Chief Financial Officer ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8A7B.A22382F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a = dual=20 display under windows 2000?  How does it work?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BF8A7B.A22382F0-- From cph Fri Mar 10 13:40:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16871 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:40:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04713; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:39:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04593; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04577; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003101839.NAA04577@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:39:35 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri11.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.236]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G2C80MM3; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:39:30 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "m.o.davis@gte.net" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200003101653.KAA2809205@smtppop2.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: modem problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA04713 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA16872 On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:53:12, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Are you using the driver from the disk image file at >ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/mdltitos.exe? Do you have TEMP and TMP >environmental variables defined in your CONFIG.SYS? If so, do they point to a >directory that actually exists? I solved the problem by copying a few thousand mp3 files from my server to the laptop. Which filled the harddrive and i had less than 2 gigs free, which allowed the setup to run fine. When i said the driver was a pathetic excuse of a driver.. i meant it. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Fri Mar 10 15:34:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17712 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:34:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14961; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14746; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14729; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 15871 invoked by uid 66); 10 Mar 2000 20:38:52 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Fri Mar 10 20:38:52 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0DA5CEA47; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:08:21 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: 18GB HDD for TP570 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <005501bf7b59$1ca3dcf0$41a31b3f@tp570> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! 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Nice :-) -- "I hate it when my foot falls asleep during the day cause that means it's going to be up all night." -- Steven Wright From cph Fri Mar 10 17:20:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18362 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:20:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25700; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:18:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25518; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25504; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (208.240.192.2 -> haifa.royl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:18:41 -0500 Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:19:11 -0800 Message-ID: <001101bf8ade$1ac600e0$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000310195146.12743.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:15:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do dual display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on the TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor could be used to display different images. Does anyone know if this is possible? _______________________________ Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer Chief Financial Officer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: "Stephen Hosmer" Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > do that on a laptop. > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > _______________________________ > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > Stephen Hosmer > > Chief Financial Officer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From cph Fri Mar 10 18:50:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18884 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:50:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00623; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00365; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00348; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:48:09 -0500 Received: from chuck (1Cust165.tnt13.sfo3.da.uu.net [63.23.36.165]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA55168 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:48:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003110048.SAA55168@mrs-2.smartworld.net> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:46:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: Second report on my week with my new 600E..... Still love the screen and the speed. Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball modem? What is a "DSP"? Should I use my old SimpleTec 56K PCMCIA instead? An oddity; anybody have any wisdom on this: I installed a Linksys network card (which is what I'd used in my old 380ED). Works fine, can use the network fine. BUT, the boot time for the 600 is now quadrupled, >from about 30 seconds to about about 1.5 to 2 minutes! When I remove the card it goes back to normal behavior. Finally, anybody know if you can stil use MS's Tweakui for Win95 with Win 98 SE? Thanks, Chuck Blaisdell From cph Fri Mar 10 23:47:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20155 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:47:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12439; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:46:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12285; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12271; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:46:08 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-313.gate.net [199.227.173.59]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA354358; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9CF84.4FAB7EEC@gate.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:45:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K References: <20000310195146.12743.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> <001101bf8ade$1ac600e0$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It has been said, by others, that the 770Z is capable of using a dual display by merely plugging an additional monitor into the external monitor port.. while i am skeptical, i've not tried it, so it could be the case.. i always assumed that the dual monitor setting was for use with a docking solution and an additional video card.. Stephen Hosmer wrote: > I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do dual > display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on the > TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor could > be used to display different images. > > Does anyone know if this is possible? > _______________________________ > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > Stephen Hosmer > Chief Financial Officer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve C." > To: "Stephen Hosmer" > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > > do that on a laptop. > > > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Mar 10 23:55:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20167 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12870; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12774; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12761; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:55:04 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-313.gate.net [199.227.173.59]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA64368; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <38C9D19E.3B16A8FF@gate.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:54:54 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... References: <200003110048.SAA55168@mrs-2.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck... Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Second report on my week with my new 600E..... > > Still love the screen and the speed. > Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball > modem? What is a "DSP"? DSP = Digital Signal Processor.. (Mwave, in an earlier incarnation) > Should I use my old SimpleTec 56K > PCMCIA instead? > i would'nt.. but a decent pc card modem might be faster.. > > An oddity; anybody have any wisdom on this: I installed a Linksys > network card (which is what I'd used in my old 380ED). Works fine, can > use the network fine. BUT, the boot time for the 600 is now quadrupled, > from about 30 seconds to about about 1.5 to 2 minutes! When I remove > the card it goes back to normal behavior. > on one of my minitower boxes, win98SE takes a really long time to load.. this started after i did something with hardware or some such.. others have complained as well.. > > Finally, anybody know if you can stil use MS's Tweakui for Win95 with > Win 98 SE? > i think so.. but i also think that there are some utilities that now allow some of those same changes to be made.. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Blaisdell -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Mar 11 03:49:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20697 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:49:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22125; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:47:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21862; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from typhoon.typhoon.co.jp (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21813; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from typhoon.typhoon.co.jp (202.33.21.39 -> typhoon.typhoon.co.jp) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:47:37 -0500 Received: from Phat (du075.typhoon.co.jp [202.33.21.75]) by typhoon.typhoon.co.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3/TIS) with SMTP id RAA07911 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:47:32 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: From: "Peter Hatigan" To: Subject: 380XD Li-ion Battery Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:46:06 +0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8B81.ADD62D80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8B81.ADD62D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter HatiganMy battery no longer recharges and makes a humming sound when it's in the computer. Any advice? Anyone know where I can find a cheap battery (any type) for the 380XD? Thanks P. Hatigan ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8B81.ADD62D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter Hatigan

My battery no = longer=20 recharges and makes a humming sound when it's in the = computer.

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Anyone know = where I can=20 find a cheap battery (any type) for the 380XD?

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8B81.ADD62D80-- From cph Sat Mar 11 10:33:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21708 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:33:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10575; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:31:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10376; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10363; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123 -> swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:31:32 -0500 Received: from miles (ip36.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.36]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21411; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:31:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38C9D19E.3B16A8FF@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: > > Still love the screen and the speed. > > Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball > > modem? What is a "DSP"? > > DSP = Digital Signal Processor.. > (Mwave, in an earlier incarnation) One problem you may encounter with the modem is that it won't connect at all, or only at low speeds, with some sites. You can fix this by getting the V.90 driver for the modem off IBM's support site at www.pc.ibm.com. My 600E (2645-8AU) did not come with the latest and greatest driver, and installing it seemed to fix my connect problem. dn From cph Sat Mar 11 11:03:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21773 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:03:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11773; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:02:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11608; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11595; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:02:40 -0500 Received: from tp600e (pool-209-138-39-51.irvn.grid.net [209.138.39.51]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12839 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:01:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004801bf8b72$a6c82390$33278ad1@tp600e> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: DVD softwares for 600E Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:57:55 -0800 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Can someone provide me the location where I can download the DVD movie players for TP600E ( 55U ). Thank you From cph Sat Mar 11 11:31:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21896 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13087; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12976; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12963; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.3 -> imo13.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:31:02 -0500 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.af.1928e96 (4255) for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:30:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:30:55 EST Subject: 730T To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 List-Unsubscribe: My 730T won't let me transfer to (or read from or format) flash cards. I can boot from any slot however with a type III hard drive. Any suggestions? JIm From cph Sat Mar 11 13:39:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22381 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:39:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18754; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18603; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18589; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.135 -> ds-img-2.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:33 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA10817 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:37:02 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Disk password deletion apps Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003111337_MC2-9CBD-57B1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA22382 I recently read that there are two apps that help overcome the problem of inherrting locked HDDs... DELPART.EXE AND TRAVELDIAG.EXE. I have found a copy of Delpart.exeopenly on the web but apparently, Traveldiag.exe is an internally used IBM application - does anyone know of it? Or, have a copy? Could be useful... Mark From cph Sat Mar 11 13:49:15 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22411 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19317; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19168; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19137; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17178 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:45:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm running NT4.0 SP 6a on my TP and need to connect it to a USB scanner. I know that NT does not support USB directly but am wondering if there is some third party S/W, H/W or some combination that will permit the hookup. Any one know of anything along these lines? Thanks. From cph Sat Mar 11 13:49:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22415 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19437; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19339; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19326; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:49:09 -0500 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA21908 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:45:38 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:48:57 -0600 Message-ID: <000601bf8b92$d76d16c0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: According to several posts here over the last couple of years, the consensus is that the DSP modems that come in the 600's are not up to the quality of the rest of the system. While some folks with good connections have no problem, others just never achieve the rated numbers for a 56K. For example, I've installed every upgrade, but only once have I ever got a connection over 28.8. Most of the time I'm at 26.something. That having been said, I have noticed greater reliability of connection with the latest drivers. I've got 2 different TP600's, one on 98, other on NT. Your results may vary. Mark > > > > > Still love the screen and the speed. > > > Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball > > > modem? What is a "DSP"? > > > > DSP = Digital Signal Processor.. > > (Mwave, in an earlier incarnation) > > One problem you may encounter with the modem is that it won't > connect at > all, or only at low speeds, with some sites. You can fix > this by getting > the V.90 driver for the modem off IBM's support site at www.pc.ibm.com. My 600E (2645-8AU) did not come with the latest and greatest driver, and installing it seemed to fix my connect problem. dn From cph Sat Mar 11 14:03:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22469 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20529; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20387; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20374; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:03:01 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax21.vramp.net [198.138.8.84]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA78046; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:02:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601bf8b92$d76d16c0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, both of my 600s (PII 266 W98SE and PII 300 W2K) have the latest V90 updates and the modems work just fine. I consistently get 49K connects on the same phoneline on which my desktop Zoom Dualmode can only achieve 44K. If I switch to the phone line my wife had installed for her office, the 600s go to 52K and the Zoom goes to 49K. Seems as though the lines have a lot more to do with connect speeds than I would have thought possible given that all six of the lines coming into my house are connected to the same phone co. office. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lemon [mailto:mlemon@hickseq.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 2:49 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... > > > According to several posts here over the last couple of years, > the consensus is that the DSP modems that come in the 600's > are not up to the quality of the rest of the system. > > While some folks with good connections have no problem, others > just never achieve the rated numbers for a 56K. For example, > I've installed every upgrade, but only once have I ever got > a connection over 28.8. Most of the time I'm at 26.something. > > That having been said, I have noticed greater reliability of > connection with the latest drivers. > > I've got 2 different TP600's, one on 98, other on NT. > Your results may vary. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Still love the screen and the speed. > > > > Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball > > > > modem? What is a "DSP"? > > > > > > DSP = Digital Signal Processor.. > > > (Mwave, in an earlier incarnation) > > > > One problem you may encounter with the modem is that it won't > > connect at > > all, or only at low speeds, with some sites. You can fix > > this by getting > > the V.90 driver for the modem off IBM's support site at > www.pc.ibm.com. > > My 600E (2645-8AU) did not come with the latest and greatest driver, and > installing it seemed to fix my connect problem. > > dn > > From cph Sat Mar 11 14:08:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22473 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:08:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20880; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20794; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20781; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:51 -0500 Received: from 208-58-198-64.s64.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.64] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12TrEr-0001Fn-00 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:07:50 -0500 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:07:13 GMT Message-ID: <20000311.19071300@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Floppy Cable for Dock II To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA22474 Hi, I have a 701CS and a Dock II (with adapter). It works spiffy, but I can't connect my floppy drive. The connector on the Dock II is much smaller than the one on my 701 and slightly smaller than the one on the PC110 and the 360. If you know which cable will work, please let me know. I would also like to know that it will work with my 701 floppy. If you know of a source, I would appreciate that also. Please don't point me toward IBM Website, been-there-done-that and RTFM. Thanks. Rusty From cph Sat Mar 11 15:11:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22625 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:11:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23776; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:09:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23587; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23574; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.200.31 -> fb00.eng00.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:09:54 -0500 Received: from wald5 (user-2inihbr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.69.123]) by fb00.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14114 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: rj, I haven't tried them, but the XIRCOM RealStation modular USB devices come with NT drivers. Surprised me that someone had actually written something like this. It might be worth a try. I bought a unit that has four USB ports and plugs into the USB port on my ThinkPad. It also comes with W2K drivers, which is why I bought it. Good luck. -- Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: rj [mailto:rj@chele.cais.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:45 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad I'm running NT4.0 SP 6a on my TP and need to connect it to a USB scanner. I know that NT does not support USB directly but am wondering if there is some third party S/W, H/W or some combination that will permit the hookup. Any one know of anything along these lines? Thanks. From cph Sat Mar 11 17:34:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23136 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:34:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29361; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:33:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29196; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29183; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49 -> scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:33:03 -0500 Received: from miles (ip143.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.143]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03489; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , , Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Never have hit 49K, but with or without the latest patch I regularly hit 45300 and 46600; once I got 48000. dn > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 2:07 PM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... > > > FWIW, both of my 600s (PII 266 W98SE and PII 300 W2K) have the latest V90 > updates and the modems work just fine. I consistently get 49K > connects on the > same phoneline on which my desktop Zoom Dualmode can only achieve 44K. > > If I switch to the phone line my wife had installed for her > office, the 600s go > to 52K and the Zoom goes to 49K. Seems as though the lines have a > lot more to do > with connect speeds than I would have thought possible given that > all six of the > lines coming into my house are connected to the same phone co. office. > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Lemon [mailto:mlemon@hickseq.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 2:49 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: A few more days with a 600E and questions.... > > > > > > According to several posts here over the last couple of years, > > the consensus is that the DSP modems that come in the 600's > > are not up to the quality of the rest of the system. > > > > While some folks with good connections have no problem, others > > just never achieve the rated numbers for a 56K. For example, > > I've installed every upgrade, but only once have I ever got > > a connection over 28.8. Most of the time I'm at 26.something. > > > > That having been said, I have noticed greater reliability of > > connection with the latest drivers. > > > > I've got 2 different TP600's, one on 98, other on NT. > > Your results may vary. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still love the screen and the speed. > > > > > Not as impressed with the modem..... Is this some sort of oddball > > > > > modem? What is a "DSP"? > > > > > > > > DSP = Digital Signal Processor.. > > > > (Mwave, in an earlier incarnation) > > > > > > One problem you may encounter with the modem is that it won't > > > connect at > > > all, or only at low speeds, with some sites. You can fix > > > this by getting > > > the V.90 driver for the modem off IBM's support site at > > www.pc.ibm.com. > > > > My 600E (2645-8AU) did not come with the latest and greatest driver, and > > installing it seemed to fix my connect problem. > > > > dn > > > > > > From cph Sat Mar 11 19:04:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23535 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:04:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02973; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:03:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02822; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web114.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02806; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web114.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.86 -> web114.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:03:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 25597 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2000 00:03:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312000335.25596.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web114.yahoomail.com; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:03:35 PST Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: DVD softwares for 600E To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you just need the player, try PowerDVD from www.cyberlink.com.tw. --- James wrote: > Can someone provide me the location where I can > download the DVD movie > players for TP600E ( 55U ). > > Thank you > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sat Mar 11 20:48:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23894 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07006; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:47:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06825; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06811; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:47:29 -0500 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qta8n.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.169.23]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA32565 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:47:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf8bc4$c1c7a240$17a9aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: Win2K on iSeries 1721 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:46:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone get this to work? IBM's web page does not show the 1721 as Win2K supported, but the 390, which is essentially the same machine, is supported. Thanks, Chuck From cph Sat Mar 11 20:48:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23898 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07067; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06972; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06955; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:48:38 -0500 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id SAA24624 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:48:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:48:37 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model - External floppy Message-ID: <20000311184837.E13488@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <001501bf86c0$79f97e60$6fb0cdcf@alpha> <38C25A5C.E4C9AEEE@iso.net> <38C3FE70.EA7B8E94@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38C3FE70.EA7B8E94@iso.net>; from William Van Tuyl on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 06:52:32PM +0000 List-Unsubscribe: A couple days ago I received the floppy I was hoping would work with my 730T, and it does work. It's Dell, FCC ID DX9-DELL-EXFDD. I got it from Peter Findeis, findeis@bucknell.edu, and I believe he has more of them. Keep in mind you also need a ThinkPad 760 type cable to go with it; when I got mine he said he didn't have any more of the cables. It's IBM FRU# 25H4879 See also http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=264241916 and http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/findeis/flopinfo.html -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sat Mar 11 21:04:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA23953 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:04:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07965; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:59:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07836; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07823; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:59:32 -0500 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id SAA24652; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:59:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:59:29 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: Marc Swanson Cc: "Shawn T. Rutledge" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [Fwd: 730T Suitcase model] Message-ID: <20000311185928.F13488@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <38C4E079.8013598A@snet.net> <20000307112245.A6873@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> <38C58F18.C3B244F6@snet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38C58F18.C3B244F6@snet.net>; from Marc Swanson on Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 06:22:00PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 06:22:00PM -0500, Marc Swanson wrote: > Well, I don't know what kind of "cable" you are getting, but the unit I > have has the little Centronics connector at the end, but it goes > straight into the unit itself, i.e., no connection on the rear of the > physical drive itself...hmmm! > Interesting...I am very interested to know, once you get your unit, the > type of configuration, and how well it works. I was always told there > was just one compatible floppy for the -730x series, perhaps I was > misinformed...good luck! The drive has a 26-pin mini-centronics just like the connector on the docking station (mine is the desktop docking station; I also have the suitcase but haven't used the drive with that yet). So the cable has the same connector on both ends; but it can only be connected one way (one end is for the drive and the other is for the docking station). I've now got a hypothesis that that type of connector is always used the same way, sort of a standard. My drive was made by Teac, labeled as a Dell, and according to Peter is compatible with a variety of thinkpads. I also saw a Toshiba (if memory serves) drive on ebay that had the same connector. -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sat Mar 11 21:36:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA24047 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09233; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09119; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09105; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:08 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc2-47.ismi.net [207.51.180.102]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA24045; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:36:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01bf8bd4$f7d4a8a0$66b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Cc: Subject: Re: 730T External floppy--also for 365/560/701/760/770/more....available-- Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:42:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: If any of you 730T owners need them, I've got 50+ of those floppy drives available...$25/ea. They also work with a variety of other Thinkpads with the appropriate cable. Units are tested...and in like new condition. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan denhall@ismi.net -----Original Message----- From: Shawn T. Rutledge To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model - External floppy >A couple days ago I received the floppy I was hoping would work with my >730T, and it does work. It's Dell, FCC ID DX9-DELL-EXFDD. I got it from >Peter Findeis, findeis@bucknell.edu, and I believe he has more of them. >Keep in mind you also need a ThinkPad 760 type cable to go with it; when >I got mine he said he didn't have any more of the cables. It's IBM >FRU# 25H4879 > >See also >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=264241916 >and >http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/findeis/flopinfo.html >-- > _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud > (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com > __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ > Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 > From cph Sun Mar 12 00:13:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA24628 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:13:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14628; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14502; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14485; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (208.40.40.42 -> mx1.core.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:03 -0500 Received: from megsinet.net ([209.81.177.13]) by smtp-1.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FRAK7Z01.8ED for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <38B0BE48.D11604DD@megsinet.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:25:44 -0500 From: Charles Monett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP-730T: Floppy detect, does it have to be a specific model? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a thinkpad 730T, and no matter when my floppy drive (an NCR 3125-K720 1.44MB 3.5" floppy) is connected, it will show itself as B:, but it won't access the drive... it just leaves itself there as if nothing happened. What's the problem? From cph Sun Mar 12 07:17:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA02920 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:17:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04540; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04400; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04386; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.237.228 -> f228.law7.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:14:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 2014 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2000 12:14:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312121418.2013.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.67.76.169 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:14:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.67.76.169] From: "Craig Bates" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:14:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have my 730T up and running W95 fine with the help of a PCMCIA reader/writer on my desktop. When I bought the thing it was supposed to come with a 105mb HD, but I got a 260MB in it! Anyways, I've been looking everywhere for software designed for pen computing. I mean, solitare is nice, and some of the character recognition stuff is neat, but has anything found any "killer app" for a pen based system? What do I want the computer to do? When I see it do it, I'll know! I wouldn't mind ditching W95 for something proprietary, but useful/interesting to me! Anything? Thanks in advance, Craig Bates ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sun Mar 12 10:06:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03334 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:06:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09784; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:04:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09484; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09461; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:03:59 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-36.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.36]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA71740 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:59:02 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003121459.QAA71740@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:03:52 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm considering replacing the 6.4GB drive in my TP600E with a 18GB one. The particular drives I have in mind are the IBM Travelstar 18GT (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/25gs18gt12gndata.htm) and the Toshiba MK-1814 (http://www.toshiba.com/taecdpd/products/spec/MK1814-Spec.shtml). What should I think of the vibration and shock ratings? Do they actually mean something in practice? Any comments (good or bad) about either drive? Anyone using one of these in a TP600? Thanks, Dominique From cph Sun Mar 12 10:46:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03470 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:46:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12162; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:43:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11800; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from c000.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11785; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from c000.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.95 -> c000-h019.c000.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:43:08 -0500 Received: (cpmta 15309 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 07:43:03 -0800 Received: from slip-32-101-139-62.ga.us.prserv.net (HELO pentium350) (32.101.139.62) by smtp.worldspy.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 07:43:03 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Mar 2000 15:43:03 GMT Message-ID: <005001bf8c31$48ac49c0$3e8b6520@pentium350> From: "Richard Chalk" To: , "Stephen Hosmer" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000310195146.12743.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> <001101bf8ade$1ac600e0$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> <38C9CF84.4FAB7EEC@gate.net> Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:43:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have not tried it in Windows 2000, but with a trial version of Millennium it does work. There is a limitation, though, as it shares the Video RAM, so if you set one display to high-resolution, and high color depth, the other one will only work in 640 x 480 x 256 color. Using a dock and external card should produce much better results. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Stephen Hosmer Cc: Thinkpad List Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > It has been said, by others, that the 770Z is capable of using a dual display > by merely plugging an additional monitor into the external monitor port.. > while i am skeptical, i've not tried it, so it could be the case.. > > i always assumed that the dual monitor setting was for use with a docking > solution and an additional video card.. > > Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do dual > > display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on the > > TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor could > > be used to display different images. > > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? > > _______________________________ > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > Stephen Hosmer > > Chief Financial Officer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve C." > > To: "Stephen Hosmer" > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM > > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > > > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > > > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > > > do that on a laptop. > > > > > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > From cph Sun Mar 12 12:44:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03854 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:44:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16756; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:42:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16439; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16425; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:41:59 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA28810; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:41:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm running NT4.0 SP 6a on my TP and need to connect it to a USB scanner. > I know that NT does not support USB directly but am wondering if there is > some third party S/W, H/W or some combination that will permit the > hookup. Any one know of anything along these lines? Oh, NT does support USB, you just need the latest version: Windows 2000. I'd upgrade rather than mess with third-party USB solutions. -Mike From cph Sun Mar 12 12:50:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03884 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:50:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17254; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:48:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17073; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17060; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:48:08 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29992; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Dominique Pivard" , Subject: RE: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:48:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003121459.QAA71740@smtp.clinet.fi> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm considering replacing the 6.4GB drive in my TP600E with a 18GB one. > The particular drives I have in mind are the IBM Travelstar 18GT > (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/25gs18gt12gndata.htm) > and the Toshiba MK-1814 > (http://www.toshiba.com/taecdpd/products/spec/MK1814-Spec.shtml). > > What should I think of the vibration and shock ratings? Do they actually > mean something in practice? > > Any comments (good or bad) about either drive? Anyone using one of these > in a TP600? I have both. I like the Toshiba *much* better. It's much quieter than the TravelStar, and it spins down immediately when I put the machine on standby or shut it down. The 18Gb TravelStar has a noisy whine, and it takes many seconds to spin down--it doesn't seem to have a spindle brake like all the other notebook drives. www.ic-direct.com has the Toshibas for about $450; I've bought lots of stuff >from them with no problems. Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com has TP600 mounting trays, and he sells the TravelStars (and sometimes Toshibas, although I haven't seen the 18Gb listed on his site). If you haven't been through the drill before, you should get a TP600 tray and an Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD adapter, then use Partition Magic or the like to transfer your existing partition to the new drive. Bill sometimes has the 2nd HDD adapters in stock, or else ic-direct has a bunch of them (search their site for "ultraslimbay"). -Mike From cph Sun Mar 12 12:58:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03919 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:58:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17848; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:56:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17673; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17659; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:56:06 -0500 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-116-215.bellatlantic.net [141.155.116.215]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28874 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Agreed. W2K really does a nice job supporting USB. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 12:42 PM To: rj; ThinkPad List Subject: RE: USB, NT4 on a Thinkpad > I'm running NT4.0 SP 6a on my TP and need to connect it to a USB scanner. > I know that NT does not support USB directly but am wondering if there is > some third party S/W, H/W or some combination that will permit the > hookup. Any one know of anything along these lines? Oh, NT does support USB, you just need the latest version: Windows 2000. I'd upgrade rather than mess with third-party USB solutions. -Mike From cph Sun Mar 12 13:34:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04083 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:34:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19272; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:33:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19159; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19146; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:33:51 -0500 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id LAA04007; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:33:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:33:43 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: Craig Bates Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000312113343.G13488@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <20000312121418.2013.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000312121418.2013.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Craig Bates on Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 04:14:18AM -0800 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 04:14:18AM -0800, Craig Bates wrote: > I have my 730T up and running W95 fine with the help of a PCMCIA > reader/writer on my desktop. When I bought the thing it was supposed to > come with a 105mb HD, but I got a 260MB in it! Anyways, I've been looking > everywhere for software designed for pen computing. I mean, solitare is > nice, and some of the character recognition stuff is neat, but has anything > found any "killer app" for a pen based system? What do I want the computer About the best pen application I've seen was a "notebook" that came with my Dauphin DTR-1 (which runs Windows for Pen 1.0, which is based on 3.1). It has pages, organized into sections delimited by tabs, and on each page you can write text as well as doodle. It recognizes the handwriting and converts to text objects, and optionally it can also try to recognize the shapes that you draw (lines, rectangles and ellipses) and clean them up. Interesting toy but it's a dead end AFAIK (the files probably can't be exchanged with any other application). -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sun Mar 12 13:58:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04200 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:58:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20378; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:56:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20220; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20207; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:56:27 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax7.vramp.net [198.138.8.70]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29366 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:56:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Zip Drive Under NT4 (SP5) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone care to assist me in getting a Zip drive to work under NT4? Not recognized on boot. Direct email would be appreicated. Thanks, James From cph Sun Mar 12 14:55:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA04463 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:55:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26939; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26686; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26673; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.217.146 -> as-img-3.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:52 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA13962 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:54:17 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Copy of: Disk password deletion apps Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003121454_MC2-9CCF-F6F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA04464 Not sure if this posted previously so am resending... From: Mark Gardiner, 100550,3170 TO: thinkpad, INTERNET:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu DATE: 11/03/2000 18:36 RE: Copy of: Disk password deletion apps I recently read that there are two apps that help overcome the problem of inherrting locked HDDs... DELPART.EXE AND TRAVELDIAG.EXE. I have found a copy of Delpart.exeopenly on the web but apparently, Traveldiag.exe is an internally used IBM application - does anyone know of it? Or, have a copy? Could be useful... Mark From cph Sun Mar 12 16:55:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA05003 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:55:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14889; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:52:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14723; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14710; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:52:47 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-28.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.28]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA72317 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:47:53 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:52:39 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 at 09:48 AM you, "Michael Geary" , said: >I have both. I like the Toshiba *much* better. It's much quieter than the >TravelStar, and it spins down immediately when I put the machine on >standby or shut it down. The 18Gb TravelStar has a noisy whine, and it >takes many seconds to spin down--it doesn't seem to have a spindle brake >like all the other notebook drives. Thanks a lot, Mike! These are the kind of real life comments you'll find nowhere else! >www.ic-direct.com has the Toshibas for about $450; I've bought lots of >stuff from them with no problems. Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com has >TP600 mounting trays, and he sells the TravelStars (and sometimes >Toshibas, although I haven't seen the 18Gb listed on his site). You're right, IC-Direct has the Toshiba for $454.12. Too bad they don't ship overseas :-( Interestingly enough, they also have a "CMS 18GB EASY PLUG-EASY GO NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE IBM THINKPAD 600" for $677.56. I'm just wondering about the value of this "plug-easy" deal, as I found it was pretty easy to take out the hard drive in my TP600E. >If you haven't been through the drill before, you should get a TP600 tray >and an Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD adapter, then use Partition Magic or the like >to transfer your existing partition to the new drive. Bill sometimes has >the 2nd HDD adapters in stock, or else ic-direct has a bunch of them >(search their site for "ultraslimbay"). As a matter of fact, I just bought an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter on eBay. Damn', I paid a few bucks more than the IC-Direct price :-(. Thanks again for your most useful comments! Dominique From cph Sun Mar 12 18:01:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05313 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:01:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17453; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:59:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17268; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17252; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:59:30 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax7.vramp.net [198.138.8.70]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA40663; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:59:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "Thinkpad List" , "Rob Bell" Subject: RE: Zip Drive Under NT4 (SP5) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38CC1CA8.5FA04EB9@csc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@csc.com] wrote: > If it's the external parallel port version I can give you a hand. It's > really not too hard, but there are specific steps you need to go > through. The Iomega site has some good instructions. The URL is > http://knowledgebase.iomega.com/support/documents/2088.html . > > If you've already tried this and are still having problems, let me know > specifically what's wrong and I'll do what I can. That's the one Rob, parallel port. Turns out I needed the updated drivers from Iomega's website rather than the ones I have on floppy/zipdisk. Once I loaded the new drivers, it was recognized on the next boot. Guess I've been spoiled by the simplicity of checking the "Enable Legacy Devices" box under W2K. ;-) Thanks for the help. Regards, James From cph Sun Mar 12 18:02:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05325 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17733; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17644; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17630; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:02:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24398 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:02:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:02:08 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Any experiences leasing IBM equipment? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I'm wondering if any of you would like to share your experiences leasing IBM equipment. Good or bad, ThinkPad, Netfinity, IntelliStation etc., any leasing agent at all, but particularly Fidelity would be good to read. (Feel free to reply via e-mail if you think this thread is off-topic.) Before you ask why I'd lease, I'll asnwer. I'm a partner in a small firm. Anything we buy is an asset, and we must pay income taxes on the remaining book value. If we lease, we do not own the asset. Since I am a junior partner, my senior partners would bear the brunt of all computers the company buys, so they are loathe to buy. If I buy it myself outright, then it's not deductable, at least according to our tax advisor. Many thanks, Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Mon Mar 13 00:37:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA06814 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:37:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07686; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:35:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07527; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07513; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.110 -> web210.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:35:56 -0500 Received: (qmail 11771 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 05:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313053555.11770.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.85.100] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:35:55 PST Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: 770 3D Hardware acceleration?? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: According to the IBM website, the Trident Cyber9397 chip in the 770 features opengl 3D hardware acceleration. Anyone know if this is actually a useable feature and, if so, how does one go about verifying if the drivers are installed properly and configured correctly? ===== http://www.pencetera.freeservers.com - Your Source For inexpensive, High Quality Writing Instruments __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon Mar 13 10:34:57 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA09079 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:34:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13105; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12739; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12725; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.82 -> ww182.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:32:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 14636 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 15:32:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313153207.14635.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.82 by ww182 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Mon Mar 13 15:32:07 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Mar 00 09:32:07 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Enabling Infrared on ThinkPad 600E X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA09080 I know this has been asked before, but I don't know how to find list archives... Could someone offer tips on enabling the infrared port on a 600E. I believe I once read that the serial port needs to be disabled, then reboot, then enable the infrared port, then reboot again. Is this right? Thanks, Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Mar 13 11:40:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09632 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:40:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19531; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19313; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19299; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:17 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA43846; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD196A.9C4FBDDF@gate.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:38:02 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Disk password deletion apps References: <200003111337_MC2-9CBD-57B1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: DELPART.EXE sounds like it deletes the partition info, thus rendering the drive useless to recover data, but cleat for reuse..!? sort of like the utility in the IBM Drive Fitness Test, and another utility i use here to clean a drive faster than going through FDISK.EXE.. :-) Mark Gardiner wrote: > I recently read that there are two apps that help overcome the problem of > inherrting locked HDDs... > > DELPART.EXE AND TRAVELDIAG.EXE. > > I have found a copy of Delpart.exeopenly on the web but apparently, > Traveldiag.exe is an internally used IBM application - does anyone know of > it? Or, have a copy? > > Could be useful... > > Mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 13 12:16:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09837 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:16:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22810; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22682; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22669; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:25 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA197058; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD221F.A93D8FA@gate.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:15:11 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rusty Lingenfelter CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Cable for Dock II References: <20000311.19071300@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: that cable was called (big surprise) the Dock-1 to External Floppy Cable.. when it was available.. long gone now.. there are some examples around.. same plug on both ends, color coded since one end is specific to the external floppy and the other to either the dock-1 or dock-2 or 760 series thinkpads that supported the external floppy.. i have one that i use from time to time.. can't sell it and i'm fearful of damaging it if i try to disassemble it to get the pinout.. BTW: the external floppy works on many thinkpads.. 365, 701, 760, 770, 560.. but not the 600 AFAIK for some reason.. (the 560 cable fits but does not work) Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 701CS and a Dock II (with adapter). It works spiffy, but I > can't connect my floppy drive. The connector on the Dock II is much > smaller than the one on my 701 and slightly smaller than the one on > the PC110 and the 360. If you know which cable will work, please let > me know. I would also like to know that it will work with my 701 > floppy. If you know of a source, I would appreciate that also. Please > don't point me toward IBM Website, been-there-done-that and RTFM. > Thanks. > > Rusty -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 13 12:18:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09856 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:18:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23412; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23282; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23242; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:53 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA221834; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD22B0.736A912A@gate.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:17:36 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Enabling Infrared on ThinkPad 600E References: <20000313153207.14635.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob.. i have not tried it, but that sounds like it will work.. usually, the IR and serial ports don't work in conjunction with each other.. sort of like a married couple.. :-) one or the other, but not both.. Rob Bell wrote: > I know this has been asked before, but I don't know how to find list > archives... > > Could someone offer tips on enabling the infrared port on a 600E. I believe I > once read that the serial port needs to be disabled, then reboot, then enable > the infrared port, then reboot again. Is this right? > > Thanks, > Rob > rbell1@netscape.net > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 13 12:23:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09898 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:23:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24554; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24444; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24428; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:22:10 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA328826; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:21:59 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: toshiba drives ARE quieter and they DO have a 1meg buffer.. the travelstar has 450k~ more or less.. as reported by drive fitness test.. (which works only on the IBM product) all in all, i like the toshiba product.. i have had both in my 600 and 770 Dominique Pivard wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 at 09:48 AM you, "Michael Geary" , > said: > > >I have both. I like the Toshiba *much* better. It's much quieter than the > >TravelStar, and it spins down immediately when I put the machine on > >standby or shut it down. The 18Gb TravelStar has a noisy whine, and it > >takes many seconds to spin down--it doesn't seem to have a spindle brake > >like all the other notebook drives. > > Thanks a lot, Mike! These are the kind of real life comments you'll find > nowhere else! > > >www.ic-direct.com has the Toshibas for about $450; I've bought lots of > >stuff from them with no problems. Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com has > >TP600 mounting trays, and he sells the TravelStars (and sometimes > >Toshibas, although I haven't seen the 18Gb listed on his site). > > You're right, IC-Direct has the Toshiba for $454.12. Too bad they don't > ship overseas :-( Interestingly enough, they also have a "CMS 18GB EASY > PLUG-EASY GO NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE IBM THINKPAD 600" for $677.56. I'm just > wondering about the value of this "plug-easy" deal, as I found it was > pretty easy to take out the hard drive in my TP600E. > > >If you haven't been through the drill before, you should get a TP600 tray > >and an Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD adapter, then use Partition Magic or the like > >to transfer your existing partition to the new drive. Bill sometimes has > >the 2nd HDD adapters in stock, or else ic-direct has a bunch of them > >(search their site for "ultraslimbay"). > > As a matter of fact, I just bought an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter on > eBay. Damn', I paid a few bucks more than the IC-Direct price :-(. > > Thanks again for your most useful comments! > > Dominique -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 13 13:17:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA10387 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:17:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29561; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:15:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29319; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29288; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:14:46 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax54.vramp.net [198.138.8.117]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA91777; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:14:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Floppy Cable for Dock II Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:18:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38CD221F.A93D8FA@gate.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote: > BTW: the external floppy works on many thinkpads.. 365, 701, 760, 770, > 560.. but not the 600 AFAIK for some reason.. > (the 560 cable fits but does not work) Vastly different connecter Bill, at least on my 600s. It's literally half the size of the Centronics connecter on the 7XXs. BTW, I've got an outboard FDD (Model PA8380A) from my old Toshiba that has the right connecter but isn't accessible when I attach it to any of my units or the Dock II. The TP loads both a floppy A and a floppy B, but neither can be read. I'll have to open it up one of these days and see if it's a settings problem internally. Regards, James From cph Mon Mar 13 13:24:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA10425 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:24:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00351; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00245; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00220; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:26 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA15000; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Dominique Pivard" , Subject: RE: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:23:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > You're right, IC-Direct has the Toshiba for $454.12. Too bad they don't > ship overseas :-( Interestingly enough, they also have a "CMS 18GB EASY > PLUG-EASY GO NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE IBM THINKPAD 600" for $677.56. I'm just > wondering about the value of this "plug-easy" deal, as I found it was > pretty easy to take out the hard drive in my TP600E. The CMS version no doubt includes that mounting tray Bill sells for $20. And you don't know which drive mechanism they're giving you--IBM or Toshiba. For the overseas shipping, try CMPExpress instead of IC-Direct. There are more expensive on some items, but on the Toshiba drive they are within pennies: http://beta.cmpexpress.com/store/htmlos/0495.2.59890170102 http://webfarm.cmpexpress.com/companyinfo/international.asp If you look at the "real time inventory" on either the CMPExpress or IC-Direct sites, you'll notice they have identical warehouse locations and quantities--they both use the same distributor. > >If you haven't been through the drill before, you should get a TP600 tray > >and an Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD adapter, then use Partition Magic or the like > >to transfer your existing partition to the new drive. Bill sometimes has > >the 2nd HDD adapters in stock, or else ic-direct has a bunch of them > >(search their site for "ultraslimbay"). > > As a matter of fact, I just bought an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter on > eBay. Damn', I paid a few bucks more than the IC-Direct price :-(. The price you paid was still quite reasonable, and eBay sellers 'theteam' are real nice folks. BTW, here's somebody who just paid *twice* what you did for one: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=268122855 -Mike From cph Mon Mar 13 14:13:59 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA10799 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:13:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05120; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:12:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04993; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04980; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from haifa.royl.com (208.240.192.2 -> haifa.royl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:12:29 -0500 Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:12:52 -0800 Message-ID: <006c01bf8d1f$98183890$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Richard Chalk" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000310195146.12743.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> <001101bf8ade$1ac600e0$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> <38C9CF84.4FAB7EEC@gate.net> <005001bf8c31$48ac49c0$3e8b6520@pentium350> Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:09:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Could you let us know what procedures you used to make it work. _______________________________ Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer Chief Financial Officer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chalk" To: ; "Stephen Hosmer" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > I have not tried it in Windows 2000, but with a trial version of Millennium > it does work. There is a limitation, though, as it shares the Video RAM, so > if you set one display to high-resolution, and high color depth, the other > one will only work in 640 x 480 x 256 color. > > Using a dock and external card should produce much better results. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Stephen Hosmer > Cc: Thinkpad List > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > It has been said, by others, that the 770Z is capable of using a dual > display > > by merely plugging an additional monitor into the external monitor port.. > > while i am skeptical, i've not tried it, so it could be the case.. > > > > i always assumed that the dual monitor setting was for use with a docking > > solution and an additional video card.. > > > > Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do dual > > > display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on > the > > > TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor > could > > > be used to display different images. > > > > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? > > > _______________________________ > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve C." > > > To: "Stephen Hosmer" > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > > > > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > > > > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > > > > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > > > > do that on a laptop. > > > > > > > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > > > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > From cph Mon Mar 13 15:10:19 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11305 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:10:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09722; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:08:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09508; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09494; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:08:24 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.77.107]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000313200817.LTZI5318.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:08:17 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000313150706.012151c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:07:06 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Floppy Cable for Dock II In-Reply-To: <38CD221F.A93D8FA@gate.net> References: <20000311.19071300@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:15 PM 03/13/2000 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >BTW: the external floppy works on many thinkpads.. 365, 701, 760, 770, >560.. but not the 600 AFAIK for some reason.. >(the 560 cable fits but does not work) > P/N 10H4056 701 FDD is working fine on my TP600 P/N 2645-85U. I have two separate cables for it, and I'm not sure which cable worked with it and which with the 760XL. I'll check tonight if anyone is interested. Jane From cph Mon Mar 13 15:31:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11437 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:31:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11413; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11309; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11288; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:30:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 2064 invoked by uid 66); 13 Mar 2000 20:36:21 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Mon Mar 13 20:36:21 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id C6A96EB26; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: Enabling Infrared on ThinkPad 600E To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <20000313153207.14635.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> <38CD22B0.736A912A@gate.net> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000313192737.C6A96EB26@seneca.muc.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > usually, the IR and serial ports don't work in conjunction with each other.. > sort of like a married couple.. :-) Pretty much so, yes. The beast has only one UART. As if a second UART cost that much :-( -- God is Dead -- Nietzsche Nietzsche is Dead -- God Nietzsche is God -- The Dead From cph Mon Mar 13 16:27:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA11829 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:27:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18035; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:26:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17821; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17808; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:26:03 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25058 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:26:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38CD5CBB.C889D300@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:25:15 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad list Subject: Simultaneous IR and serial ports References: <200001242346.SAA03419@amanda.dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This seems to be an FAQ of sorts on this list. Thinkpads as shipped do not allow simultaneous use of the serial port and IR, but the reason is an IRQ conflict as both IR and serial are set to use the same IRQ by default. Once the current active port is set to another unused IRQ, the other port can be made active. Then both IR and serial can be used. On my 560X I have a Paperport scanner on the serial port and I connect my Sharp Zaurus by IR. I have had this setup for over a year. No problems. Summary of steps required: 1. Change IRQ of current active port. 2. Reboot. 3. Enable the inactive port. 4. Reboot. 5. Enjoy. Email me privately if you need more help. Benjamin From cph Mon Mar 13 17:01:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA12065 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:01:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21712; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:00:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21545; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21524; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:00:11 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:57:34 -0500 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DBE@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Cc: "'Thinkpad List '" Subject: RE: Dual display in W2K Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:57:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I think I saw something on the Web (?IBM site) that dual monitor support for Win2000 won't be available immediately. Regards, Neil TP 770ED, 600, 701, etc -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Hosmer To: Richard Chalk Cc: Thinkpad List Sent: 3/13/00 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K Could you let us know what procedures you used to make it work. _______________________________ Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer Chief Financial Officer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chalk" To: ; "Stephen Hosmer" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > I have not tried it in Windows 2000, but with a trial version of Millennium > it does work. There is a limitation, though, as it shares the Video RAM, so > if you set one display to high-resolution, and high color depth, the other > one will only work in 640 x 480 x 256 color. > > Using a dock and external card should produce much better results. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Stephen Hosmer > Cc: Thinkpad List > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > It has been said, by others, that the 770Z is capable of using a dual > display > > by merely plugging an additional monitor into the external monitor port.. > > while i am skeptical, i've not tried it, so it could be the case.. > > > > i always assumed that the dual monitor setting was for use with a docking > > solution and an additional video card.. > > > > Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do dual > > > display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on > the > > > TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor > could > > > be used to display different images. > > > > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? > > > _______________________________ > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve C." > > > To: "Stephen Hosmer" > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > > > > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > > > > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > > > > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > > > > do that on a laptop. > > > > > > > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > > > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > From cph Mon Mar 13 20:13:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA13579 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:13:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04003; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03862; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from erato.webcombo.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03844; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from erato.webcombo.net (207.250.9.21 -> mail.webcombo.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:48 -0500 Received: from rchalkwebcombo (1Cust76.tnt1.cincinnati3.oh.da.uu.net [63.29.95.76]) by erato.webcombo.net (8.9.3/[webCOMBO - ALL UCE PROHIBITED]) with SMTP id HAA20235; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:01:40 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01bf8d50$fed168a0$4c5f1d3f@net> From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Stephen Hosmer" , "Richard Chalk" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000310195146.12743.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> <001101bf8ade$1ac600e0$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> <38C9CF84.4FAB7EEC@gate.net> <005001bf8c31$48ac49c0$3e8b6520@pentium350> <006c01bf8d1f$98183890$05c0f0d0@hosmer.org> Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 List-Unsubscribe: In Millennium, I just plugged in the monitor, and booted the machine, and it recognized the monitor (a Compaq V900). Then going to Properties/settings, it showed two display "Icons". I enabled both, and then I could drag icons and windows across both monitors. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Richard Chalk" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > Could you let us know what procedures you used to make it work. > _______________________________ > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > Stephen Hosmer > Chief Financial Officer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chalk" > To: ; "Stephen Hosmer" > Cc: "Thinkpad List" > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > I have not tried it in Windows 2000, but with a trial version of > Millennium > > it does work. There is a limitation, though, as it shares the Video RAM, > so > > if you set one display to high-resolution, and high color depth, the other > > one will only work in 640 x 480 x 256 color. > > > > Using a dock and external card should produce much better results. > > > > Richard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morrow > > To: Stephen Hosmer > > Cc: Thinkpad List > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:45 PM > > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > > > > It has been said, by others, that the 770Z is capable of using a dual > > display > > > by merely plugging an additional monitor into the external monitor > port.. > > > while i am skeptical, i've not tried it, so it could be the case.. > > > > > > i always assumed that the dual monitor setting was for use with a > docking > > > solution and an additional video card.. > > > > > > Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > > > I have read the reply posts about using multiple video cards to do > dual > > > > display, but what I actually was asking was about the BIOS setting on > > the > > > > TP770, which seemed to indicate that the LCD and the external monitor > > could > > > > be used to display different images. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? > > > > _______________________________ > > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Steve C." > > > > To: "Stephen Hosmer" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:51 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Dual display in W2K > > > > > > > > > In Windows 98 you can do dual display by using two > > > > > compatible VGA cards and 2 monitors. Win 2K would > > > > > probably work the same way. Don't know of any way to > > > > > do that on a laptop. > > > > > > > > > > --- Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know if the TP770 will do a dual display > > > > > > under windows 2000? How does it work? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > > > Royale Energy Inc (NASDAQ:ROYL) > > > > > > Stephen Hosmer > > > > > > Chief Financial Officer > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Tue Mar 14 01:15:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15637 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:15:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18726; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18546; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18533; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:53 -0500 Received: from rob (user-2ivf8l9.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.162.169]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA15795 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:13:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> From: "Rob Watson" To: References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:18:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Bill or anyone else, What's your opinion on the 12g Hds?? I can't play in the 18g price range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;). I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the Hitachi), but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where. From looking at some PC Mag Laptop reviews, the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied from vendor to vendor. Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those?? I like it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it. I've only added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now. thanks, Rob Watson rlwatson@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Dominique Pivard" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba > toshiba drives ARE quieter and they DO have a 1meg buffer.. > the travelstar has 450k~ more or less.. > as reported by drive fitness test.. (which works only on the IBM product) > > all in all, i like the toshiba product.. > i have had both in my 600 and 770 > > Dominique Pivard wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 at 09:48 AM you, "Michael Geary" , > > said: > > > > >I have both. I like the Toshiba *much* better. It's much quieter than the > > >TravelStar, and it spins down immediately when I put the machine on > > >standby or shut it down. The 18Gb TravelStar has a noisy whine, and it > > >takes many seconds to spin down--it doesn't seem to have a spindle brake > > >like all the other notebook drives. > > > > Thanks a lot, Mike! These are the kind of real life comments you'll find > > nowhere else! > > > > >www.ic-direct.com has the Toshibas for about $450; I've bought lots of > > >stuff from them with no problems. Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com has > > >TP600 mounting trays, and he sells the TravelStars (and sometimes > > >Toshibas, although I haven't seen the 18Gb listed on his site). > > > > You're right, IC-Direct has the Toshiba for $454.12. Too bad they don't > > ship overseas :-( Interestingly enough, they also have a "CMS 18GB EASY > > PLUG-EASY GO NOTEBOOK HARD DRIVE IBM THINKPAD 600" for $677.56. I'm just > > wondering about the value of this "plug-easy" deal, as I found it was > > pretty easy to take out the hard drive in my TP600E. > > > > >If you haven't been through the drill before, you should get a TP600 tray > > >and an Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD adapter, then use Partition Magic or the like > > >to transfer your existing partition to the new drive. Bill sometimes has > > >the 2nd HDD adapters in stock, or else ic-direct has a bunch of them > > >(search their site for "ultraslimbay"). > > > > As a matter of fact, I just bought an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter on > > eBay. Damn', I paid a few bucks more than the IC-Direct price :-(. > > > > Thanks again for your most useful comments! > > > > Dominique > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > From cph Tue Mar 14 06:32:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA17113 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:32:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08493; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:31:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08314; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08299; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:30:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 14240 invoked by uid 66); 14 Mar 2000 11:36:38 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Tue Mar 14 11:36:38 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 587DFEB2A; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:44:04 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000314084404.587DFEB2A@seneca.muc.de> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:44:04 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Rob Watson wrote: > review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. I'm using it for my Linux based MP3 player (www.seneca.muc.de/MPorty), and am quite happy with it. Similar comment as for the 18G type: quiet, spins down fast, just uses more than 500 mA for spinning up (not an issue for TP use, though...). Just one thing's strange: the Linux kernel during bootup says 0 KB cache instead of 2048 kB, and I haven't found a way yet to activate the cache. Maybe it's just a "misunderstanding", I haven't yet run bonnie against the disk to see the cache working. -- Renning's Maxim: Man is the highest animal. Man does the classifying. From cph Tue Mar 14 07:50:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA17428 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:50:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12038; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:47:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11820; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11802; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (194.46.8.30 -> freenet.nireland.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:47:15 -0500 Received: from ct ([194.46.1.151]) by freenet.freenet.nireland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 9-31337L) with SMTP id AAA291 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:46:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002601bf8db3$71794aa0$97012ec2@ct> From: c.tunnah@nireland.com (Colin Tunnah) To: Subject: IBM Screensavers Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:46:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Does anyone know the location on the web of any IBM screensavers? I use a 365XD which came preloaded with a few but have since installed W95 release 2. Thanks Colin From cph Wed Mar 15 01:41:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA24771 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:41:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28712; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28473; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28460; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:37:32 -0500 Received: from oscar ([32.101.226.113]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <200003150637212430275cule>; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:37:22 +0000 Message-ID: <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Rob Watson" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:36:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I just installed the 12 Gig Hitachi in my TP600E today. It is much quieter than the Travelstar it replaced. I couldn't pass up the price of $241 shipped. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Watson To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba > Bill or anyone else, > > What's your opinion on the 12g Hds?? I can't play in the 18g price > range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the > Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;). > I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the Hitachi), > but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where. From looking at > some PC Mag Laptop reviews, the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied from > vendor to vendor. Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the > review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. > Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those?? I like > it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it. I've only > added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now. From cph Wed Mar 15 04:34:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA25276 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:34:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08771; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08630; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08616; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (130.149.232.72 -> mail.prz.tu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:29 -0500 Received: from micky.prz.tu-berlin.de (micky.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.26]) by mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01471; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:33:20 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Eyrich To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba In-Reply-To: <20000314084404.587DFEB2A@seneca.muc.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Harald Milz wrote: |during bootup says 0 KB cache instead of 2048 kB, and I haven't found AFAIK IDE disks are not required to tell the cache size they use internally, but the cache is nevertheless active ... (Don't remember, where I've read it) Michael E. -- Michael Eyrich PRZ, TU-Berlin michey@prz.tu-berlin.de meyrich@acm.org Key fingerprint = 61 7A D6 6E B8 F2 ED 64 23 5D 06 D0 40 1D 12 77 From cph Wed Mar 15 06:05:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA25527 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:05:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17034; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:03:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16838; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16825; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:03:44 -0500 Received: from dante41.u.washington.edu (williams@dante41.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.201]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id DAA16458 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:03:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante41.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id DAA103748 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:03:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading 770ED HD / Win 2K Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm about ready to upgrade my 770ED to the Travelstar 25G. Do I need the lastest bios? I have the second most recent version. Also, what is a good partitioning strategy? I plan on using Win 2K only. (I'll stick with Win 95 on my 8G) I read an article that suggested using a separate partion for the swap file; is this advisable? Should I set the swap file to 2x Ram? (I have 192MB) What are the advantages in using NTFS? How does it compare to FAT32? What do I need to run DVDs? Will SoftDVD work? Will ConfigSafe work? How about any of the other bundled software? Any other comments or suggestions? Finally, I lost my Floppy Cable. How much does it cost to replace this? I check the IBM website and couldn't find any info on it. Thanks, John From cph Wed Mar 15 09:21:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26558 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:21:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27324; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27140; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27127; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:02 -0500 Received: from oscar ([32.101.226.236]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000031514195322902964lge>; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: <010701bf8e89$5fb93420$ece26520@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Guy Pelchat" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> <00bc01bf8e60$353a96e0$4be6d7cc@uxledkvk> Subject: 12GB Hitachi drive for TP600E Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:18:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: It is even cheaper now, $236: http://www.softwarebuyline.com/product.asp?sync_number=212690&STORE=BUY&c=00 .00 ----- Original Message ----- > Where did you buy it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I just installed the 12 Gig Hitachi in my TP600E today. It is much > quieter > > than the Travelstar it replaced. I couldn't pass up the price of $241 > > shipped. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rob Watson > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:18 PM > > Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba > > > > > > > Bill or anyone else, > > > > > > What's your opinion on the 12g Hds?? I can't play in the 18g price > > > range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the > > > Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;). > > > I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the > > Hitachi), > > > but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where. From looking > at > > > some PC Mag Laptop reviews, the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied from > > > vendor to vendor. Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the > > > review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. > > > Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those?? I > like > > > it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it. I've > > only > > > added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now. > > > > > > From cph Wed Mar 15 09:49:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26736 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:49:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00728; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00603; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00589; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:28 -0500 Received: from 216-164-222-116.s370.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.116] helo=richard) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VF5P-00006O-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:47:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000315094519.013fa430@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:47:20 -0500 To: "Tom Franklin" From: richard Subject: Re: 12GB Hitachi drive for TP600E Cc: "Guy Pelchat" , "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <010701bf8e89$5fb93420$ece26520@oscar> References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> <00bc01bf8e60$353a96e0$4be6d7cc@uxledkvk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: My Travelstar seems to get noisier over time. Any downside to the Hitachi or Toshiba? Any real differences between the Hitachi and the Toshiba? I'm using a 570, if that matters. At 07:18 AM 3/15/2000 -0700, Tom Franklin wrote: >It is even cheaper now, $236: >http://www.softwarebuyline.com/product.asp?sync_number=212690&STORE=BUY&c=00 >.00 > >----- Original Message ----- > > Where did you buy it? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I just installed the 12 Gig Hitachi in my TP600E today. It is much > > quieter > > > than the Travelstar it replaced. I couldn't pass up the price of $241 > > > shipped. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rob Watson > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba > > > > > > > > > > Bill or anyone else, > > > > > > > > What's your opinion on the 12g Hds?? I can't play in the 18g price > > > > range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the > > > > Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;). > > > > I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the > > > Hitachi), > > > > but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where. From >looking > > at > > > > some PC Mag Laptop reviews, the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied >from > > > > vendor to vendor. Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the > > > > review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. > > > > Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those?? I > > like > > > > it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it. >I've > > > only > > > > added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now. From cph Wed Mar 15 10:00:30 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26850 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:00:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02141; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:59:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01892; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01869; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:59:47 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-48.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.48]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA90942 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:54:27 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003151454.QAA90942@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:59:37 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09a List-Unsubscribe: I have just installed the TrackPoint IV drivers on the Win98 partition of my TP600E and it put a small icon in the tray (next to the date). As I don't see a need to access it on a daily basis, I'd like to get rid of it, but I haven't found a way. Is this possible? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm more familiar with OS/2 than Win9x. Thanks, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 15 12:16:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27960 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:16:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16496; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16228; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16203; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:41 -0500 Received: from andres (pm454-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.245]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA50980 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:14:34 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315121517.009ccd60@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:15:17 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray In-Reply-To: <200003151454.QAA90942@smtp.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Go into \windows\system and run msconfig.exe. Go to the startup tab, and one of the programs being run should be something like trackpointsrv. Get rid of the checkmark on that box, exit and reboot. I think that will solve your problem. You can then manually run the program if you want; I think its called daemon.exe. --STeve Andre' At 04:59 PM 3/15/2000 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >I have just installed the TrackPoint IV drivers on the Win98 partition of >my TP600E and it put a small icon in the tray (next to the date). As I >don't see a need to access it on a daily basis, I'd like to get rid of it, >but I haven't found a way. Is this possible? Sorry if this is a dumb >question, but I'm more familiar with OS/2 than Win9x. > >Thanks, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 15 12:33:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28116 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:33:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18643; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18522; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18508; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:32:17 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23913; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "J. Williams" , Subject: RE: Upgrading 770ED HD / Win 2K Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: (Answering questions I know something about, skipping the rest...) > I'm about ready to upgrade my 770ED to the Travelstar 25G. > ... > Also, what is a good partitioning strategy? I plan on using Win 2K only. > (I'll stick with Win 95 on my 8G) I read an article that suggested using a > separate partion for the swap file; is this advisable? Should I set the > swap file to 2x Ram? (I have 192MB) I'd use one big NTFS partition for simplicity. Beyond that it's a matter of taste. Putting the swap file on a separate *drive* is beneficial. Putting it on a separate *partition* seems unlikely to do any good, and may slow the system down because the swap file is farther away from the data files. What benefit did the article cite? I would just let Win2K manage the swap file and accept its default size and location until you have some reason to change it. > What are the advantages in using NTFS? How does it compare to > FAT32? NTFS is more robust and gives you much smaller cluster size on a huge partition. A 25Gb FAT32 partition will have 16Kb clusters, compared to 4Kb on an NTFS partition. FAT32 works with DOS-based disk utilities that don't support NTFS, and you can put a bootable DOS on the drive for emergency repair. Of course, you can always boot your Win2K CD for emergency repair too. -Mike From cph Wed Mar 15 12:56:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28297 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:56:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21060; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20898; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20885; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:32 -0500 Received: from Bob (arc1a99.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.227]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09080 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:30 -0500 (EST) Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) Bob from arc1a99.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.227] 207.136.201.227 Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Yellin To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:56:25 -0500 Organization: * Reply-To: byellin@sover.net Message-ID: References: <200003151454.QAA90942@smtp.clinet.fi> <3.0.6.32.20000315121517.009ccd60@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315121517.009ccd60@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA28298 Yes, that will get rid of the icon in systray but it will also disable the Trackpoint features. Running the program manually will put the icon back into systray! Bob Yellin >Go into \windows\system and run msconfig.exe. Go to the startup tab, and >one of the programs being run should be something like trackpointsrv. Get >rid of the checkmark on that box, exit and reboot. I think that will solve >your problem. You can then manually run the program if you want; I think >its called daemon.exe. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 04:59 PM 3/15/2000 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >>I have just installed the TrackPoint IV drivers on the Win98 partition of >>my TP600E and it put a small icon in the tray (next to the date). As I >>don't see a need to access it on a daily basis, I'd like to get rid of it, >>but I haven't found a way. Is this possible? Sorry if this is a dumb >>question, but I'm more familiar with OS/2 than Win9x. >> >>Thanks, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 15 13:01:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28353 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:01:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21753; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21645; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21576; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:20 -0500 Received: from andres (pm454-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.245]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA33968 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:16 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000315130059.009b7db0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:59 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000315121517.009ccd60@pilot.msu.edu> <200003151454.QAA90942@smtp.clinet.fi> <3.0.6.32.20000315121517.009ccd60@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Ah, perhaps I misread the request, then. So my answer isn't the correct one. --STeve At 12:56 PM 3/15/2000 -0500, Bob Yellin wrote: >Yes, that will get rid of the icon in systray but it will also disable the >Trackpoint features. Running the program manually will put the icon back >into systray! > >Bob Yellin > >>Go into \windows\system and run msconfig.exe. Go to the startup tab, and >>one of the programs being run should be something like trackpointsrv. Get >>rid of the checkmark on that box, exit and reboot. I think that will solve >>your problem. You can then manually run the program if you want; I think >>its called daemon.exe. >> >>--STeve Andre' >> >>At 04:59 PM 3/15/2000 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >>>I have just installed the TrackPoint IV drivers on the Win98 partition of >>>my TP600E and it put a small icon in the tray (next to the date). As I >>>don't see a need to access it on a daily basis, I'd like to get rid of it, >>>but I haven't found a way. Is this possible? Sorry if this is a dumb >>>question, but I'm more familiar with OS/2 than Win9x. >>> >>>Thanks, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 15 13:13:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28434 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:13:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23085; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22993; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22979; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:34 -0500 Received: from 216-164-208-19.s19.tnt2.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.208.19] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VIH9-0002LC-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:08 -0500 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: <01b601bf8ea9$e50d1400$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: TP Fuel Program Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: On my 760CD the fuel program has an option to discharge and charge the battery. On my 770ED, the fuel program does not have the same option. Have I overlooked the feature or is it no loger available. If it is no longer available, is there any substitute? Thanks. Bob From cph Wed Mar 15 13:29:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28538 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:29:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25049; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:27:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24830; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24816; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.212 -> wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:27:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 17889 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 18:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315182643.17888.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.212 by wwcst212 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Mar 15 18:26:43 GMT 2000 Date: 15 Mar 00 12:26:43 CST From: Rob Bell To: "R Briganti" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA28539 Having migrated from a 760EL to a 770 myself, I once wondered the same thing. I believe the answer is that the 770's battery is of a different technology that doesn't benefit from fully cycling the battery as the 760's does. HTH, Rob "R Briganti" wrote: > On my 760CD the fuel program has an option to discharge and charge the > battery. On my 770ED, the fuel program does not have the same option. > > Have I overlooked the feature or is it no loger available. If it is no > longer available, is there any substitute? > > Thanks. > > Bob > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Mar 15 13:50:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28736 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:50:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27730; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:48:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27577; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27556; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:58 -0500 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25646 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000315135003.0094a7e0@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:50:03 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: RE: Upgrading 770ED HD / Win 2K In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >I'd use one big NTFS partition for simplicity. Beyond that it's a matter of >taste. This encourages simplicity, but also encourages massive amounts of fragmentation in the LEAST amount of time. Using "alphabet soup" with partitions, I only have to defrag about once every 3 months or so- the "system" and "programs" partitions defrag almost instantly because nothing gets touched on those drives, the "data" partition takes a few minutes because all the fragmentation occurs there- however even leaving this partition fragged isnt a horror show, as the programs/os aren't loading off of it, so the system speed is still very fast. Every OBD (one big drive) system I've seen in place requires routine defragmentation- by the time 3 months elapse on a heavily used OBD machine, it's usually toast. (read, slow as hell) The end result is that the user has to choose between simplicity and maintenance interval. With more simplicity in partitioning, the maintenance interval becomes much smaller. > >Putting the swap file on a separate *drive* is beneficial. Putting it on a >separate *partition* seems unlikely to do any good, and may slow the system >down because the swap file is farther away from the data files. What benefit >did the article cite? If the swapfile is in dynamic mode, and on its own partition, it wont end up sprayed about the drive. It is true that it may be slower at the end of the disk than at the beginning, but if your computer is swapping enough that it would make a difference then you have bigger problems. > >I would just let Win2K manage the swap file and accept its default size and >location until you have some reason to change it. > >> What are the advantages in using NTFS? How does it compare to >> FAT32? > >NTFS is more robust and gives you much smaller cluster size on a huge >partition. A 25Gb FAT32 partition will have 16Kb clusters, compared to 4Kb >on an NTFS partition. > > >FAT32 works with DOS-based disk utilities that don't support NTFS, and you >can put a bootable DOS on the drive for emergency repair. Of course, you can >always boot your Win2K CD for emergency repair too. > Also, don't forget to mention that FAT32 is proven slower than NTFS or FAT16; not to mention the fact that Fat32 fragments much more horribly than NTFS does- think of the way a 2GB Fat16 partition gets fragmented, and just amplify it by a factor of 5 for a 10GB drive... end result, a very slow computer. -Mike From cph Wed Mar 15 14:11:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28953 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:11:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00153; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:09:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29965; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from laurel.us.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29948; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from laurel.us.net (198.240.72.4 -> laurel.us.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:09:02 -0500 Received: from mail.us.net (host18.pmi1.laurel.us.net [198.240.90.18]) by laurel.us.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA70478 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:08:59 -0500 (EST) X-Provider: US Net - Where Business Connects! (tm) - 301-361-USNET US Net Web Site: http://www.us.net/ or via Email: info@us.net Message-ID: <38CFDF19.47D426A6@mail.us.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:06:01 -0500 From: Larry Lynn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tpad 390 & W2K References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't see much discussion of the 390 series here - does anyone know of any problems with the 390 and Windows 2K? I've got the P2/266 version with 96meg. In fact, while I'm at it - is the memory user upgradeable? Can I replace the existing 4 gig drive with a 12 gig Hitatchi or Toshiba? Larry From cph Wed Mar 15 14:19:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29014 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:19:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01702; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:16:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01468; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01405; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:16:51 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc6-39.ismi.net [207.51.197.44]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA11627; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016501bf8ebc$51478260$2cc533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "R Briganti" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program--not with Li-Ion batteries... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:23:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bob, the original discharging program offered was to help reduce the "memory" effects inherent in NiCd and NiMh batteries. Newer Li-Ion technology has eliminated the past memory effect problems and rendered discharging utilities useless for the Li-Ion products. My understanding is that Li-Ion are designed for a rather specific # of full charge/discharge cycles and then deteriorate very rapidly -- becoming "dead", and non-recoverable. Li-Ion provides a more consistent performance over its life than NiMh, but dies much quicker usually--making a spare battery a very good consideration for someone who can't afford downtime when portable. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: R Briganti To: Thinkpad List Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: TP Fuel Program >On my 760CD the fuel program has an option to discharge and charge the >battery. On my 770ED, the fuel program does not have the same option. > >Have I overlooked the feature or is it no loger available. If it is no >longer available, is there any substitute? > >Thanks. > >Bob > > > > From cph Wed Mar 15 14:41:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29256 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:41:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04442; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04096; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04082; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:02 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.0.031) id 38CEB85800027FE0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:30:38 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000315182643.17888.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:38:55 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program List-Unsubscribe: >Having migrated from a 760EL to a 770 myself, I once wondered the same thing. >I believe the answer is that the 770's battery is of a different technology >that doesn't benefit from fully cycling the battery as the 760's does. Is there a similar program for the 365X? I know that cycling my battery would be very, very helpful, but outside of running it until it drops there's no practical way of doing this. I normally run on AC. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 15 14:41:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29260 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:41:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04486; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:40:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04378; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04325; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:39:58 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A67146D017A; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <03b701bf8ecf$377a4e40$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Disabling Scandisk when win95 restarts w/r/t PEN based systems Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:38:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 730T ThinkPad that I use to take attendance and to grade laboratory practical exercises in my classroom. I am running WIN95 as the OS with the pen extensions for the 730T/TE. On occasion I have left the system on and the battery runs down or I incorrectly shutdown using the power switch instead of exiting properly. On restart, the system requires the user to press any "key" to run scandisk. The only way that this is possible is to dock the TP and use a keyboard. How do you configure win95 to not use scandisk? Also, could it be possible to use the IBM Microdrive (340mb at the moment. I'm sure big blue will make better.) to be used to run the system. This would free up an extra PCMCIA slot As for the pertinent details: The system is a 730T/Te ThinkPad Windows 95 OS (minimal dos drivers were used so that I had a lot of free space on the 105mb HDD) NO PENDOS installed ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Wed Mar 15 14:58:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29455 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:58:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06711; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:56:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06588; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06565; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176 -> web3805.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:56:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20000315195638.5836.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:56:38 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: 730T - 340mb, 24mb ram, case/printer, tons of accessories To: Thinkpad List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Still no one has givin me an offer for this laptop, so I am now open for any offers. If you wish the speck again here they are, and please ask any questions you may have. 730T 486sl-33 24mb ram (most 730T are 8) 340mb hdd (most 730T are 105) 9.5" blacklit lcd screen with touch screen 2 pens and extra tips 4 batteries soft carry case w/ handle and carry strap Hard samsonite case w/ docking station Kodac b/w printer with new cartridge and paper battery for case(or case can run off a built in ac adaptor) ac adaptor car adaptor quick battery charger Windows 95 preinstalled w/pen tools(gives hand writing recognition[works better then palm pilot], and use pen as a mouse) origional boxes I have spent well over $200 on all this and have hardly used it becaue of acuiring a 760xd thinkpad. Everything has been tested and works great. Please send any resonable offer, and ask any questions you may have. Thank you Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed Mar 15 15:44:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30040 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:44:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11924; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:42:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11626; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns2.ftbonline.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11611; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns2.ftbonline.com (208.223.183.23 -> dns2.ftbonline.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:42:07 -0500 Received: from exchange2.here4you.com ([208.223.183.56]) by dns2.ftbonline.com (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01532 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:44:01 -0600 (CST) Received: by exchange2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:42:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Hayes, David E." To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux Thinkpad Users Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:42:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I'm just getting Redhat 6.1 rolling on my Thinkpad 365XD. It will be a work machine (except on weekends). I'll be configuring the connectivity pieces to handle IBM 16/2 Token Ring, and ethernet card and a 56k modem. I know I've got a long road to get this machine working like I need. I'll be glad to share what I learn along the way. Keep up the good fight! David Hayes IT Audit Officer First Tennessee Bank From cph Wed Mar 15 15:51:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30110 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13182; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13075; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13062; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:51:17 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-15.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.15]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA91615 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:45:54 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003152045.WAA91615@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:51:09 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315130059.009b7db0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09a List-Unsubscribe: Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my request: I do want to use the TrackPoint features, but I don't need to see the icon in the tray all the time. If I understand correctly, you can't activate the Trackpoint without having its icon in the tray at the same time? I'm not really sure what's the benefit of having the icon on display in the tray all the time: once I have adjusted the Trackpoint to my liking, I don't need to see its icon everyday, and if I need to make changes, I can always go to the Control Panel. Anyway, it looks like this is part of the "Windows experience" ... Thanks, Dominique On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 at 01:00 PM you, "STeve Andre'" , said: >Ah, perhaps I misread the request, then. So my answer isn't the correct >one. --STeve >At 12:56 PM 3/15/2000 -0500, Bob Yellin wrote: >>Yes, that will get rid of the icon in systray but it will also disable the >>Trackpoint features. Running the program manually will put the icon back >>into systray! >> >>Bob Yellin >> >>>Go into \windows\system and run msconfig.exe. Go to the startup tab, and >>>one of the programs being run should be something like trackpointsrv. Get >>>rid of the checkmark on that box, exit and reboot. I think that will solve >>>your problem. You can then manually run the program if you want; I think >>>its called daemon.exe. >>> >>>--STeve Andre' >>> >>>At 04:59 PM 3/15/2000 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >>>>I have just installed the TrackPoint IV drivers on the Win98 partition of >>>>my TP600E and it put a small icon in the tray (next to the date). As I >>>>don't see a need to access it on a daily basis, I'd like to get rid of it, >>>>but I haven't found a way. Is this possible? Sorry if this is a dumb >>>>question, but I'm more familiar with OS/2 than Win9x. >>>> >>>>Thanks, Dominique From cph Wed Mar 15 16:22:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30448 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:22:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16096; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:21:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15977; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0y.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAB15963; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0y.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.54 -> www0y.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:21:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 16171 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 21:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315212109.16170.qmail@www0y.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.54 by www0y for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Mar 15 21:21:09 GMT 2000 Date: 15 Mar 00 15:21:09 CST From: Rob Bell To: Dominique Pivard , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in Win98 tray X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA30449 I believe the previous post was correct that you can't get rid of the icon unless you de-activate the TrackPoint driver program. I'm sure most people don't use the icon at all once things are set up, but it does provide quick access for changing the third button functionality between scrolling and magnify, if that's important to you. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Mar 15 16:24:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30486 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:24:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16424; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:23:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16304; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16289; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:23:57 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.0.031) id 38CEB8580002C2B2 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:15:38 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:23:55 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: Linux Thinkpad Users List-Unsubscribe: >I'm just getting Redhat 6.1 rolling on my Thinkpad 365XD. Why Red Hat? Red Hat is a very unstable and unpredictable distribution. I suggest Slackware 7. http://www.slackware.com/ . --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 15 16:35:19 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30620 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:35:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17627; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:34:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17505; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17492; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.174 -> web3803.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <20000315213429.21913.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:34:29 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: Disabling Scandisk when win95 restarts w/r/t PEN based systems To: Mike Lingenfelter , ThinkPad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I too own a 730T. Windows will automatically go into scandisk after a few minuets. There is a solution though. There is a program called TweakUI, it is part of Microsofts Power Tools, you can get that right from there web page. This will let you disable the scandisk easy. Garrett Kaste. --- Mike Lingenfelter wrote: > I have a 730T ThinkPad that I use to take attendance > and to grade laboratory > practical exercises in my classroom. I am running > WIN95 as the OS with the > pen extensions for the 730T/TE. On occasion I have > left the system on and > the battery runs down or I incorrectly shutdown > using the power switch > instead of exiting properly. On restart, the system > requires the user to > press any "key" to run scandisk. The only way that > this is possible is to > dock the TP and use a keyboard. How do you > configure win95 to not use > scandisk? > > Also, could it be possible to use the IBM Microdrive > (340mb at the moment. > I'm sure big blue will make better.) to be used to > run the system. This > would free up an extra PCMCIA slot > > As for the pertinent details: > > > The system is a 730T/Te ThinkPad > Windows 95 OS (minimal dos drivers were used so > that I had a lot of free > space on the 105mb HDD) > NO PENDOS installed > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Lingenfelter > Bellwood-Antis School District > Science Department Chairperson > work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 > home# 814-941-0141 > > personal email mlingen@attglobal.net > personal web > http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed Mar 15 16:53:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30831 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:53:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19580; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:52:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19411; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19395; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:52:20 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.124]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228BA261CD; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:50:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386EE3D4.CBF3B719@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:36:20 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 760XL and similar with Windows 98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody out there have a 760 Thinkpad with Windows 98 on it? Are there problems in installation. Are the upgrade files on the IBM site up to the task? I cannot determine whether this is a risky venture because there is not enough info on the site... but it appears as if there may be infrared and audio problems... Anybody know? Ray Bayles From cph Wed Mar 15 17:18:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31035 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:18:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21863; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:17:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21763; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from uscles504.amgreetings.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21747; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from uscles504.amgreetings.com (206.31.49.100) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:17:35 -0500 Received: by USCLES504 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <37F42EB53118D311B1A90008C7C9E7A54240BB@USDANS501.dan.amgreetings.com> From: "DK Donald Klapper (5407)" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Linux ThinkPad Users Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA31037 I've been running SuSE on my ThinkPad 365X since version 5.1, currently at 6.3. Runs great and never a problem. Don Klapper Computer Systems / Electronics Technician American Greetings, Corp. Danville, KY donald.klapper@amgreetings.com   -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GO(GAT) d- s: a C++++ UL>>++++ PL++ E--- W+ N++ o+ K- w O- M+ V? PS-- PE Y++ PGP++ t++(+++) 5+++ X+ R* tv+ b++ DI++ D++ G e(++) h* r-- y++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Klein-Hass [mailto:bosslady@msgeek.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:24 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Thinkpad Users >I'm just getting Redhat 6.1 rolling on my Thinkpad 365XD. Why Red Hat? Red Hat is a very unstable and unpredictable distribution. I suggest Slackware 7. http://www.slackware.com/ . --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 15 17:23:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31092 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22556; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22431; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22410; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:23:05 -0500 Received: from 216-164-208-19.s19.tnt2.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.208.19] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VMB5-0002NT-00; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:08 -0500 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bf8ecc$e47a0de0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Denis Hall" , "Thinkpad List" References: <016501bf8ebc$51478260$2cc533cf@denhall> Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program--not with Li-Ion batteries... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the responses on this subject. My 770ED is plugged in 90% of the time. I noticed that eventually it will go to 99%, then 98%, then 97% and stay there. If I run the battery down, it charges to 100% and stays there for a while. It would be good if the charge stopped when at 100% and the TP ran off the AC power so that the battery wouldn't be constantly charged. Removing the battery and leaving a big hole doesn't seen a good idea. Battery care can be confusing, to say the least. I recently bought a Toshiba digital camera with a Li-Ion battery. The instructions say that the battery should be discharged for long term storage. I always thought the opposite. I guess the bottom line is that even Li-Ion batteries are a consumable and we should expect them to die before the TP is obsolete. Maybe that's why IBM limits the battery warranty to 1 year. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Hall" To: "R Briganti" ; "Thinkpad List" Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 15:23 Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program--not with Li-Ion batteries... > Hi Bob, > the original discharging program offered was to help reduce the "memory" > effects inherent in NiCd and NiMh batteries. Newer Li-Ion technology has > eliminated the past memory effect problems and rendered discharging > utilities useless for the Li-Ion products. My understanding is that Li-Ion > are designed for a rather specific # of full charge/discharge cycles and > then deteriorate very rapidly -- becoming "dead", and non-recoverable. > Li-Ion provides a more consistent performance over its life than NiMh, but > dies much quicker usually--making a spare battery a very good consideration > for someone who can't afford downtime when portable. > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Briganti > To: Thinkpad List > Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 12:18 PM > Subject: TP Fuel Program > > > >On my 760CD the fuel program has an option to discharge and charge the > >battery. On my 770ED, the fuel program does not have the same option. > > > >Have I overlooked the feature or is it no loger available. If it is no > >longer available, is there any substitute? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Bob > > > > > > > > > > From cph Wed Mar 15 17:39:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31240 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:39:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23879; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23729; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23714; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from miles (sdn-ar-019casfrMP202.dialsprint.net [158.252.223.204]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25334 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: Subject: RE: Linux Thinkpad Users Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: There's a mailing list devoted to running Linux on Thinkpads: Details here: http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html dn From cph Wed Mar 15 17:55:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31372 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:55:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25707; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25538; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25524; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:30 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.124]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B5726F40; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:48:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386EF171.D03AC68E@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:34:25 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michelle Klein-Hass Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Thinkpad Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have installed several versions of Red Hat and Slackware... including on three different servers and several desktops. These included 486's, Pentiums, Pentium Pro's, and Pentium II... But never on a Thinkpad... and never on a Pentium III. We never had any problems with stability with either product... and got more help on Red Hat... I think they are both pretty good, but there is more free stuff with with Red Hat... and more self styled experts Ray Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: > > >I'm just getting Redhat 6.1 rolling on my Thinkpad 365XD. > > Why Red Hat? Red Hat is a very unstable and unpredictable distribution. > > I suggest Slackware 7. http://www.slackware.com/ . > > --.\\<-H-- > > Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 > Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! > "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. > Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 15 18:09:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31487 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:09:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26907; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:08:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26821; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26808; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:08:29 -0500 Received: from CEL400 (24.137.23.41) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 15 Mar 2000 18:05:21 -0500 Message-ID: <012401bf8ed4$2721ca00$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NEt> From: "Slip" To: , "Michelle Klein-Hass" References: Subject: Re: Linux Thinkpad Users Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:14:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I must agree on this one. Slack7 is installed on four of my servers at the house and haven't had any problems(including my 760ED). You'll find that it is just as robust as any other distro. IMHO slack is a no-BS OS and is more down-to-earth in configuration. RH rides on the edge of being bloatware. But of course it is all a matter of preference. :-) -Jamie >Why Red Hat? Red Hat is a very unstable and unpredictable distribution. >I suggest Slackware 7. http://www.slackware.com/ . From cph Wed Mar 15 18:33:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31713 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:33:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28486; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:33:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28380; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28367; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:32:59 -0500 Received: from robinson (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA28000 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:32:55 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000501bf8ed6$6f7753e0$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:30:21 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: The power brick on my TP560 has started to flake, apparently because of where the DC-out wire enters the brick (when I wiggle it, power comes on and off). I have 2 questions: (a) Are these things repairable? I can't even figure out how to get into the power brick - no screws, or slots for twisting a coin:-) (b) I have a nice, regulated 13.8VDC 2.5 amp (3 A with surge) power supply I used to use for bench-testing automotive electronics/radios; can I use this temporarily until I fix or replace the other brick? The TP power output is 16V/2.2A, so it's only off by a couple of volts. (Even if I could use the 13.8V supply just to recharge the battery it would be sufficient for a while.) Thanks, David Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph Wed Mar 15 20:22:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA32520 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:22:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05622; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:21:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05465; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05435; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:21:31 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax7.vramp.net [198.138.8.70]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA72230; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:21:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Ray Bay" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: 760XL and similar with Windows 98 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:25:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <386EE3D4.CBF3B719@theriver.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] wrote: > Does anybody out there have a 760 Thinkpad with Windows 98 on it? Are > there problems in installation. Are the upgrade files on the IBM site up > to the task? I cannot determine whether this is a risky venture because > there is not enough info on the site... but it appears as if there may > be infrared and audio problems... Anybody know? Yes, 760XL with W98SE; No; Yes. No problems with sound or IR. I regularly use the IR link to print docs on my HP LJ6MP which is connected to my desktop. Regards, James From cph Wed Mar 15 21:14:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA00317 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:14:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08715; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08614; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08600; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:11 -0500 Received: from user-38lcpq7.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcpq7.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.103.71]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06490 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:13:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003160213.VAA06490@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:18:26 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000501bedf81$f7cf8460$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP780XL 6 gig; Partition Magic List-Unsubscribe: Am happily running an IBM 6 gig on the 760XL. Partition Magic did its thing with no problems (I first moved the OSR2 system with 5 partitions from a 3 gig drive.). Has anyone tried the PM "boot manager?" For a while they used the OS/2 boot manager which is robust. Does the PM program shift everything to the right to make 3 Mb or so room for its boot manager? Allan Ballard tp760XL 104Mb 6 gig tp760CD p120 64Mb 3 gig From cph Wed Mar 15 22:59:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00887 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14540; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14401; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14388; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:58:58 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA03925 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:58:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000315195827.04499ef0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:58:49 -0800 To: "ThinkPad List" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: TP780XL 6 gig; Partition Magic In-Reply-To: <200003160213.VAA06490@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <000501bedf81$f7cf8460$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:18 PM 3/15/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: >Am happily running an IBM 6 gig on the 760XL. Partition Magic did its thing with no >problems (I first moved the OSR2 system with 5 partitions from a 3 gig drive.). > >Has anyone tried the PM "boot manager?" For a while they used the OS/2 boot >manager which is robust. Does the PM program shift everything to the right to make 3 >Mb or so room for its boot manager? I can't say anything about the Partition Magic boot manager, but I will tell you that I've used System Commander from V Systems on multiple machines (including my TP 380Z) with great success. It installs quickly, will handle almost any situation you can think of, and is inexpensive. -- David Goldman From cph Thu Mar 16 00:28:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01439 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:28:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18683; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18516; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18500; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.13 -> smtp03.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:27:03 -0500 Received: from tc-1-203.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-203.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.106.203]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 613A74053; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:25:05 +0900 (JST) From: "Stephen A. Carter" To: "ThinkPad list" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:33:17 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000501bf8ed6$6f7753e0$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Message-Id: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:30:21 -1000, David Ross wrote: >The power brick on my TP560 has started to flake, apparently because of where >the DC-out wire enters the brick (when I wiggle it, power comes on and off). >I have 2 questions: (a) Are these things repairable? I can't even figure out >how to get into the >power brick - no screws, or slots for twisting a coin:-) A power brick for a 701C gave me the same problems. To repair it, I carefully worked the tip of a flathead screwdriver into the seam all around the brick to gradually wedge it open, then resoldered the broken wire to the terminal on the circuit board. After repair, the two halves of the case did not fit together quite as tightly as before, despite my care in wedging them open, so I wrapped them with electrical tape. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. mailto:scarter@hticn.com Nagoya, Japan http://www2.gol.com/users/hticn/ PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph Thu Mar 16 00:41:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01532 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:41:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19553; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19473; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19458; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:23 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-148.gate.net [199.227.20.211]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA151660; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38D073B5.A1592B8D@gate.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:40:05 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: Tom Franklin , Guy Pelchat , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 12GB Hitachi drive for TP600E References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> <00bc01bf8e60$353a96e0$4be6d7cc@uxledkvk> <4.2.2.20000315094519.013fa430@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8F3677824D6D03F941AF78A9" List-Unsubscribe: --------------8F3677824D6D03F941AF78A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the hitachi drive is found in many, if not all, 600E machines.. the 600E 400mhz machine i have now uses a 10gig, hitachi drive.. i don't know the speed or data throughput, but it seems to work well enough.. :-) the toshiba drives seem to be quieter and also has a 1meg data buffer... makes throughput faster, i suspect.. :-) if the drive gets noisier and becomes bothersome, it is a warranty matter.. i suggest you go that route first, THEN spend $$ on another brand.. richard wrote: > My Travelstar seems to get noisier over time. Any downside to the Hitachi > or Toshiba? Any real differences between the Hitachi and the Toshiba? I'm > using a 570, if that matters. > > At 07:18 AM 3/15/2000 -0700, Tom Franklin wrote: > >It is even cheaper now, $236: > >http://www.softwarebuyline.com/product.asp?sync_number=212690&STORE=BUY&c=00 > >.00 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > Where did you buy it? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > I just installed the 12 Gig Hitachi in my TP600E today. It is much > > > quieter > > > > than the Travelstar it replaced. I couldn't pass up the price of $241 > > > > shipped. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Rob Watson > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill or anyone else, > > > > > > > > > > What's your opinion on the 12g Hds?? I can't play in the 18g price > > > > > range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the > > > > > Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;). > > > > > I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the > > > > Hitachi), > > > > > but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where. From > >looking > > > at > > > > > some PC Mag Laptop reviews, the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied > >from > > > > > vendor to vendor. Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the > > > > > review. I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba. > > > > > Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those?? I > > > like > > > > > it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it. > >I've > > > > only > > > > > added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------8F3677824D6D03F941AF78A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the hitachi drive is found in many, if not all, 600E machines..
the 600E 400mhz machine i have now uses a 10gig, hitachi drive..
i don't know the speed or data throughput, but it seems to work well enough..  :-)

the toshiba drives seem to be quieter and also has a 1meg data buffer... makes throughput faster, i suspect..  :-)

if the drive gets noisier and becomes bothersome, it is a warranty matter..
i suggest you go that route first, THEN spend $$ on another brand..

richard wrote:

My Travelstar seems to get noisier over time.  Any downside to the Hitachi
or Toshiba?  Any real differences between the Hitachi and the Toshiba?  I'm
using a 570, if that matters.

At 07:18 AM 3/15/2000 -0700, Tom Franklin wrote:
>It is even cheaper now, $236:
>http://www.softwarebuyline.com/product.asp?sync_number=212690&STORE=BUY&c=00
>.00
>
>----- Original Message -----
> > Where did you buy it?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > I just installed the 12 Gig Hitachi in my TP600E today.  It is much
> > quieter
> > > than the Travelstar it replaced.  I couldn't pass up the price of $241
> > > shipped.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rob Watson <rlwatson@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bill or anyone else,
> > > >
> > > >    What's your opinion on the 12g Hds??  I can't play in the 18g price
> > > > range, so I'm trying to decide between the 12g Hitachi (cheapest), the
> > > > Toshiba(largest cache), and the IBM 12GN Travelstar(It's an IBM ;).
> > > > I know the Tosh. and IBM have 3 yr warranty (need to check on the
> > > Hitachi),
> > > > but I can't find any kind of reviews on these any where.   From
>looking
> > at
> > > > some PC Mag Laptop reviews,  the Hitachi and IBM seem close, varied
>from
> > > > vendor to vendor.  Hitachi is in some of the TP 600s according to the
> > > > review.  I've seen nothing on the 12g Toshiba.
> > > > Oh and I have a TP i1460, any comments, recommendations on those??  I
> > like
> > > > it so far, but I need to spend some more time trying to tweak it.
>I've
> > > only
> > > > added 128mg more RAM to it, as of now.

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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  --------------8F3677824D6D03F941AF78A9-- From cph Thu Mar 16 06:52:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA02812 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:52:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10498; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10270; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10257; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:35 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-30.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.30]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA95412 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:42:06 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003161142.NAA95412@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:47:27 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09a List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 at 10:23 AM you, "Michael Geary" , said: Hi Mike, >The CMS version no doubt includes that mounting tray Bill sells for $20. > Regarding the mounting tray, do you need one in order to fit a drive in an UltraSlimBay 2nd drive adapter? >> As a matter of fact, I just bought an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter on >> eBay. Damn', I paid a few bucks more than the IC-Direct price :-(. >The price you paid was still quite reasonable, and eBay sellers 'theteam' >are real nice folks. I agree with you, they are nice people. I just bought a SelectaDock III >from them for $225, and I feel it was a good deal for a brand new item. While on the subject of hard drives, trays and docking stations, what kind of drives can you put in an UltraBay tray for SelectaDock III (IBM P/N 11J8839)? There's one on auction at the moment and the price is very attractive for the time being ($5.50). Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu Mar 16 07:24:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA02915 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:24:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12177; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:22:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12020; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12007; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:22:42 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A17C890500D0; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <044901bf8f5b$5352e280$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "Ray Bay" , "ThinkPad" References: <386EE3D4.CBF3B719@theriver.com> Subject: Re: 760XL and similar with Windows 98 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:21:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ray, I am currently running a 755cd with win98 and no problems, but I upgraded as opposed to a clean install. If your 760 has Mwave it is easier to upgrade. I had no problems with the install and my machine ran faster until I installed Office 2K. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Bay To: ThinkPad List Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: 760XL and similar with Windows 98 > Does anybody out there have a 760 Thinkpad with Windows 98 on it? Are > there problems in installation. Are the upgrade files on the IBM site up > to the task? I cannot determine whether this is a risky venture because > there is not enough info on the site... but it appears as if there may > be infrared and audio problems... Anybody know? > > Ray Bayles > From cph Thu Mar 16 08:35:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03211 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:35:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16544; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:33:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16292; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16258; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.122 -> mta1.snfc21.pbi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:33:38 -0500 Received: from dan ([209.233.224.66]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FRI002QVOBI8H@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:33:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:32:17 -0800 From: Dan Galender Subject: WinNT 4 on a ThinkPad 770Z To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: Hi- SOrry to bother you all, but I sent this last week and got no response. I thought I'd try one more time. I'm trying to (re-)install NT 4.0 on a 770Z (which I have previously done) in a clean partition. I'm using all of the latest drivers and following the instructions provided on IBM's web site. I remember from the last time I tried this that SP 3 (or later) is required for the video driver to work properly. Now even with SP 6, after I install the Trident display driver, I get a blank screen--no visible display at all. Anyone run into this before and know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance. -Dan Galender From cph Thu Mar 16 10:25:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04037 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:25:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26427; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:23:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26196; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26183; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:23:22 -0500 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-050.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.50]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id JAA963126 Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:23:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003161523.JAA963126@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:23:27 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: TP780XL 6 gig; Partition Magic List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Allan Ballard" Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:18:26 -0500 (EST) > Has anyone tried the PM "boot manager?" For a while they used the OS/2 boot > manager which is robust. Does the PM program shift everything to the right to make 3 > Mb or so room for its boot manager? PQM's Boot Magic resides on the C: drive. It doesn't take up a partition table entry. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 03/16/00, 09:23:24 From cph Thu Mar 16 12:16:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04649 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:16:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07752; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07457; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07442; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.net (192.160.127.87 -> Mailbox.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:15:17 -0500 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by mailbox.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA90908 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:15:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:15:10 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17468.000316@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP780XL 6 gig; Partition Magic In-reply-To: <200003160213.VAA06490@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <200003160213.VAA06490@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 8:18:26 PM, Allan wrote: AB> Has anyone tried the PM "boot manager? AB> Does the PM program shift everything to the right to make 3 AB> Mb or so room for its boot manager? I am using the version that came with Partion Magic 5. It does not take up any actual partition space. It replaces the Master Boot Record on the boot drive. I had a glitch in my install that prevented it from working when I started configuring partitions above about 8Gig. However, per their support department, I did an "FDISK /MBR" and re-enabled Boot Magic and all seems well now. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBONEWmW8pw+2/9pUJEQIc3ACgzRHP2CDf8p1CoYVolrSYRiLBGgoAnjaB F2IPpKc6m+nu+nYWsVRUHAIS =F7nK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 16 12:29:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04736 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:29:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09545; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:28:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09451; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09435; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:28:22 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA26298; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Dominique Pivard" , Subject: RE: 18GB drive for TP600E: IBM vs. Toshiba Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:27:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200003161142.NAA95412@smtp.clinet.fi> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > >The CMS version no doubt includes that mounting tray Bill sells for $20. > > > > Regarding the mounting tray, do you need one in order to fit a drive in an > UltraSlimBay 2nd drive adapter? The 2nd HDD adapter will hold a bare drive, but it fits loosely. Don't turn it upside down or the drive will fall out. The mounting tray is recommended if you use it a lot. For just a one-time transfer it's fine either way. -Mike From cph Thu Mar 16 17:47:28 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07284 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:47:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06798; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:45:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06554; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06540; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003162245.RAA06540@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:45:36 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXS9; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:45:32 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:51:53 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Linux sound? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id RAA06798 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA07285 I've got a TP 600E, which runs OS/2 Warp Server for e-b. Because i do a lot of cross-platform programming i need Linux installed. So i tryed to find drivers for the sound chipset, which turned out that only the ALSA project had such a driver. Although i couldn't make them work. (The 600E uses a CS4610/11 chipset) Anyone managed to make sound work under Linux and a similar sound chipset ? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu Mar 16 17:55:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07369 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07679; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07583; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07569; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003162255.RAA07569@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:55:21 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXTF; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:55:14 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:01:17 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thinkpad modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id RAA07679 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA07370 When comparing modem speeds please remember that the 56K speed is just an advertising trick. Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. Although you may notice the download speed to reach 56K or even higher, but that only happens when downloading plain text or very uncompressed data. Another thing to consider is the modem on the 'other end'. Which may not be as good as yours. Other things to consider is the cables that you are using, their length and outside interference. (like places with a lot of storms etc) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu Mar 16 18:25:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07682 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09949; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09831; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09818; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:08 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id PAA12483 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:24:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000316152321.04450570@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:24:39 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: IBM announces new hard drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM (NYSE: IBM) said in a statement its 7,200 rpm Deskstar 75GXP drive for desktop computers held 75 gigabytes of data, more than 10 times the capacity of drives found in the average home personal computer. A single one of the new drives can now store the equivalent of up to 159 music compact discs or "the data contained in a stack of documents 20 times taller than the Washington Monument," the statement said. The monument is just over 555 feet tall. Twenty times that height is 11,100 feet, or 2.1 miles. Hey, Bill... Please let me know when these become available for my Thinkpad 380Z. ;-) -- David Goldman From cph Thu Mar 16 18:33:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07716 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:33:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10719; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10627; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10613; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003162332.SAA10613@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:32:41 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXT4; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:32:37 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:38:59 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: TV out etc features List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id SAA10719 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA07717 The TP 600E that i have, has a TV out port. Although the manual doesn't say what kind of cable i need to use to connect my laptop to a TV, and i can't find a way to tell the drivers to support the TV out port. Since the drivers for the video for OS/2 are shit, i didn't even bother to look if they support the TV out feature, so i had to install Windoze and see if they had any option. Indeed i did find a TV out option in the Advanced settings, but it was disabled and i couldn't find a way to enable it. Anyone managed to get TV out running? If yes, what kind of cable did you use? One more thing, my 600E came with a 'security screw', the manual says that i remove the existing one, and i use this one to make it harder for people to remove my harddrive. I don't see how that works, since both screws are... just screws. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-DorabellaIntermezzo-Allegretto.mp3" (1:14/2:39) From cph Thu Mar 16 18:41:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07778 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:41:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11511; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:40:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11434; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11421; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:40:45 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.177 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:40:31 -0800 Message-ID: <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad list" References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> Subject: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:41:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all (especially Steve C and Stephen C) for the advice. (Also, thanks to all for not pointing out my misspelling of 'adapter'.) I cracked open my adapter (with great difficulty - these are clearly *never* meant to be opened!) and found that there's nothing wrong with the adapter itself, but there were 2 separate shorts in the DC-out line, one in the strain-relief module (which I gather also converts from twin lead to coax line) and one near the plug. So, all I have to do is replace the DC-out line and plug to get a working unit. Of course, once I'm done the thing will be nowhere near as robust or nice as it was (after all, I've decimated the strain-relief bit), and in any event I want a spare. Now I'm having trouble figuring out the right unit - the original (85G6737) seems to not exist any more, there are a whole lot of others (e.g., 85G6689, 11J9992, ...) which might or might not work. When I go to IBM's web shop and follow the links to my specific machine I get to the page http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/ModelLookup2/264010U?OpenDocument &65,65 which suggests the 02K6546, then in a footnote says that it *won't* in fact work on my machine. Eh? Then why recommend it? Help? - David R. (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From cph Thu Mar 16 19:20:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08005 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:20:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15000; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14826; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14806; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.172 -> web3801.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317001914.25100.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:19:14 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: TV out etc features To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , thinkpad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id TAA15000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA08006 I have this feature on my 760xd. It is actually for tv out and another port for tv in. If yours is like mine, it is a small 3 pin plug. I found the calbe on ebay. It is a small calbe with svid for tv and a composite for either tv or audio. If you use composite for tv, then you can use the line out for audio. My cable was $46 after shipping, including a game port cable. The cable is avalible from IBM for $32. These cables i am quoting are for the 760, and I am not sure if it will work with the 600. Garrett Kaste. --- "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > The TP 600E that i have, has a TV out port. Although > the manual doesn't > say what kind of cable i need to use to connect my > laptop to a TV, and > i can't find a way to tell the drivers to support > the TV out port. > > Since the drivers for the video for OS/2 are shit, i > didn't even bother to look > if they support the TV out feature, so i had to > install Windoze and see if > they had any option. Indeed i did find a TV out > option in the Advanced > settings, but it was disabled and i couldn't find a > way to enable it. > > Anyone managed to get TV out running? If yes, what > kind of cable did > you use? > > > One more thing, my 600E came with a 'security > screw', the manual says > that i remove the existing one, and i use this one > to make it harder for > people to remove my harddrive. I don't see how that > works, since both > screws are... just screws. > > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > -[ playing > "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-DorabellaIntermezzo-Allegretto.mp3" > (1:14/2:39) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Thu Mar 16 19:31:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08063 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16102; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15958; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15940; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.177 -> web3806.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317003126.14768.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:31:26 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Ni-HM Battery - on/off switch??? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: On my 760xd I have a Ni-HM battery pack. On the back of it there is a switch marked I and O. Right now it is set to I. I would like to know what this switch does. Also, as I understand that these batterys need to be charged only when they are fully dischaged. Mine automatically charges all the time, even when it is down 2%. Can I make it not charge until it is all the way down to save batt life? Thanks Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Thu Mar 16 20:25:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08376 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:25:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20024; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:24:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19876; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19862; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:24:12 -0500 Received: from r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.72.23] helo=richard) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12VlUI-0005yk-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:23:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000316202058.01427c58@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:23:10 -0500 To: penzance@gate.net From: richard Subject: Re: 12GB Hitachi drive for TP600E Cc: Tom Franklin , Guy Pelchat , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <38D073B5.A1592B8D@gate.net> References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> <00bc01bf8e60$353a96e0$4be6d7cc@uxledkvk> <4.2.2.20000315094519.013fa430@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:40 AM 3/16/2000 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >the hitachi drive is found in many, if not all, 600E machines.. >the 600E 400mhz machine i have now uses a 10gig, hitachi drive.. >i don't know the speed or data throughput, but it seems to work well >enough.. :-) > >the toshiba drives seem to be quieter and also has a 1meg data buffer... >makes throughput faster, i suspect.. :-) The toshiba sounds like the way to go (at least, compared to the travelstar and the hitachi) From cph Thu Mar 16 20:39:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08461 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21016; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20917; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20904; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:09 -0500 Received: from user-38lcf8r.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcf8r.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.61.27]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06684 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003170139.UAA06684@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:44:25 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <044901bf8f5b$5352e280$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Internal Zip Drive List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone aware of a vendor for laptop internal zip drives? Allan Ballard From cph Thu Mar 16 21:14:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08635 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:14:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23061; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:13:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22981; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22968; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.178 -> web3807.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <20000317021340.25981.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3807.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:13:40 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Zip drive - system wont boot To: ThinkPad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I own an internal VST zip drive for my 760xd thinkpad. It doesnt work anylonger though. The system will not boot with it in it. Not long back, it worked fine, and I have done nothing to it. If anyone can help please help I would greatly apreciate it. Thanks Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Thu Mar 16 21:16:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08651 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23401; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23304; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23291; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:16:04 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-12.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.12]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02874 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:15:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000316212044.0139e4e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:20:44 -0800 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: thinkpad modem In-Reply-To: <200003162255.RAA07569@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:01 PM 03/16/2000 +0000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >When comparing modem speeds please remember >that the 56K speed is just an advertising trick. > >Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds >is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem >reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. > FCC regulations limit it to 53kbps. At home, I routinely get 49.3kbps and my girlfriend gets 50.6kbps. I use a Courier V.Everthing, and she uses a USR Sportster 56k. >Although you may notice the download speed to reach 56K or even >higher, but that only happens when downloading plain text or very >uncompressed data. Uncompressed data will usually get even higher than 56kbps. >Another thing to consider is the modem on the 'other end'. Which may >not be as good as yours. Other things to consider is the cables that you >are using, their length and outside interference. >(like places with a lot of storms etc) Usually, check your own POTS wiring, make sure it is clean. Second, check your box outside. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Mar 16 21:23:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08694 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24236; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24039; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24026; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:23:02 -0500 Received: from miles (sdn-ar-005casfrMP123.dialsprint.net [158.252.212.125]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07993; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: thinkpad modem Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:22:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200003162255.RAA07569@CS.UTK.EDU> List-Unsubscribe: > Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. at least in the usa it's actually illegal to do full 56k. for reasons i don't fully understand, there's an fcc rule that limits maximum line rate to 53.3 kbit/s. > Although you may notice the download speed to reach 56K or even > higher, but that only happens when downloading plain text or very > uncompressed data. > modems with compression enabled can actually do a whole lot better -- ascii text can get squeezed by around 4:1 even with a fairly normal distribution of letters. but then that's a different measurement than line speed David Newman From cph Thu Mar 16 22:25:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09097 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:25:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28323; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:24:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28192; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28179; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:24:54 -0500 Received: from shadow-book (tfx-us15-87.ix.netcom.com [207.94.236.87]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14284 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:24:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000316012637.01eac480@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:26:37 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: TP755 Enhanced Video and WNT4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, after having taken the time and effort to migrate over completely to NT4, I'm wondering if there's any provision in NT4 for the Enhanced Video features provided by the 755CD. I managed to find one of the elusive video-in cables for it, and wanted to use it as my TV in conjunction with a new VCR in the truck, for those rare times when I'm sitting still long enough to have some TV-watching time. My perusal of the IBM website was inconclusive at best, but I didn't have the time to perform an exhaustive search. One thing I did notice about NT4 over Win98SE is that battery life and system performance are both better, although it's a little early yet to give any reliable numbers. One BIG, and welcome! difference, is that NT4 runs CONSIDERABLY cooler than W98 did. No more second degree burns on my legs! :-) -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it.- Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Freightliner dry van :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com From cph Fri Mar 17 01:49:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10343 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:49:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09074; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:47:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08885; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08870; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:47:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003170647.BAA08870@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:47:49 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXVZ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:47:39 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Garrett Kaste" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000317021340.25981.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Zip drive - system wont boot List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id BAA09074 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA10344 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:13:40 -0800 (PST), Garrett Kaste wrote: >I own an internal VST zip drive for my 760xd thinkpad. > It doesnt work anylonger though. The system will not >boot with it in it. Not long back, it worked fine, >and I have done nothing to it. If anyone can help >please help I would greatly apreciate it. I had a similar problem with my cdrom drive in my 600E. When i first got it, it suddenly stopped working for some reason. The BIOS wouldnt even recognize it (from the Testing menu). So i went back to the shop that i got it from and they fixed it. Although they wouldnt tell me what they did to fix it. (They took it in a back room, so for all i know they could have replaced it with another one). I don't know why it stopped working, i didn't touch it, i was in the middle of my OS/2 installation when on the next reboot it stopped working. Another thing is, you may have disabled it by mistake. I once disabled the IDE controller, and on the next reboot the BIOS couldn't find my harddrive and cdrom. So i had to take the battery out to reset it. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-Nimrod-Adagio.mp3" (3:08/3:50) From cph Fri Mar 17 01:51:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10362 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:51:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09350; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:51:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09274; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09253; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:50:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003170650.BAA09253@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:51:00 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXV7; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:50:52 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Blaine Hufnagle" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:56:47 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000316012637.01eac480@popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP755 Enhanced Video and WNT4 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id BAA09350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA10363 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:26:37 -0600, Blaine Hufnagle wrote: >One thing I did notice about NT4 over Win98SE is that battery life and >system performance are both better, although it's a little early yet to >give any reliable numbers. One BIG, and welcome! difference, is that NT4 >runs CONSIDERABLY cooler than W98 did. No more second degree burns on my >legs! :-) I remember something about Win95 not using 'idle' calls to the processor, which made it a bad choise over Linux/OS2 on laptops. Maybe Win98 had the same problem but was fixed on NT. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-BGN-Andante.mp3" (1:42/2:25) From cph Fri Mar 17 02:15:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10487 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:15:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10696; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:14:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10606; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10587; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:14:39 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05461; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D1DB1E.C8990E04@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:13:34 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad , Blaine Hufnagle Subject: Re: TP755 Enhanced Video and WNT4 References: <200003170650.BAA09253@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA10696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA10488 Long ago there was a thread about this. NT, OS/2 (I think) and Linux call the HALT instruction when the system is idle, which tells the CPU to turn off some parts of itself and save power. For win95, some people wrote utilities call CPUidle and Rain, which do the same thing. Besides saving power, it also reduces heat production. So you avoid frying your nether regions, and get better battery life. This only works if you're actually doing nothing or something wimpy, like word processing or email. If you are playing MP3s in the background the CPU is occupied full time and never shuts down. Benjamin "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:26:37 -0600, Blaine Hufnagle wrote: > > >One thing I did notice about NT4 over Win98SE is that battery life and > >system performance are both better, although it's a little early yet to > >give any reliable numbers. One BIG, and welcome! difference, is that NT4 > >runs CONSIDERABLY cooler than W98 did. No more second degree burns on my > >legs! :-) > > I remember something about Win95 not using 'idle' calls to the processor, which > made it a bad choise over Linux/OS2 on laptops. Maybe Win98 had the same > problem but was fixed on NT. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > -[ playing "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-BGN-Andante.mp3" (1:42/2:25) -- _________________________________________________________________________ Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $10 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Mar 17 02:26:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10543 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11766; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11685; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11672; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003170726.CAA11672@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:26:01 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXW6; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:25:57 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Benjamin Koh" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:29:58 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP755 Enhanced Video and WNT4 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA11766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA10544 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:13:34 -0800, Benjamin Koh wrote: >Long ago there was a thread about this. NT, OS/2 (I think) and Linux >call the HALT instruction when the system is idle, which tells the CPU >to turn off some parts of itself and save power. For win95, some people >wrote utilities call CPUidle and Rain, which do the same thing. Besides >saving power, it also reduces heat production. So you avoid frying your >nether regions, and get better battery life. This only works if you're >actually doing nothing or something wimpy, like word processing or >email. If you are playing MP3s in the background the CPU is occupied >full time and never shuts down. Both OS/2 and Linux do that automaticaly, so you shouldn't need thouse utils to force the system to 'idle'. btw mp3s on my AMD K6-2 350 (oc'ed to 380) run with 4 to 7% cpu usage, so you shouldn't consider mp3-playing a CPU intensive thing. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Rimsky-Korsakov-HerbetVonKarajan-NikolaiRimsky-Korsakov-Scheherazade-Part2.mp3" (0:44/12:52) -[ playing "Rimsky-Korsakov-HerbetVonKarajan-NikolaiRimsky-Korsakov-Scheherazade-Part2.mp3" (1:01/12:52) From cph Fri Mar 17 02:36:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10588 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12408; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12331; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12316; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:36:28 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07627; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D1E044.AB841616@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:35:32 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: TP755 Enhanced Video and WNT4 References: <200003170726.CAA11672@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA12408 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA10589 "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:13:34 -0800, Benjamin Koh wrote: > > >Long ago there was a thread about this. NT, OS/2 (I think) and Linux > >call the HALT instruction when the system is idle, which tells the CPU > >to turn off some parts of itself and save power. For win95, some people > >wrote utilities call CPUidle and Rain, which do the same thing. > > Both OS/2 and Linux do that automaticaly, so you shouldn't need thouse > utils to force the system to 'idle'. > Yes, this is exactly what I wrote. Idling is built in for these systems, but not Win95 and its derivatives. > btw mp3s on my AMD K6-2 350 (oc'ed to 380) run with 4 to 7% cpu usage, > so you shouldn't consider mp3-playing a CPU intensive thing. > It all depends on what CPU you have. On my P233MMX disk operations can cause MP3 playback to stutter, and the system gets noticeably hotter during extended playback. Also if you have high bandwidth MP3s you get more CPU usage. I have some 192kb/s MP3s - sound a bit better, but 1.5x the size. I also have some 96kb/s and some 48kb/s files... OK and awful respectively. Benjamin > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > -[ playing > "Rimsky-Korsakov-HerbetVonKarajan-NikolaiRimsky-Korsakov-Scheherazade-Part2.mp3" > (0:44/12:52) > > -[ playing "Rimsky-Korsakov-HerbetVonKarajan-NikolaiRimsky-Korsakov-Scheherazade-Part2.mp3" (1:01/12:52) -- _________________________________________________________________________ Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $10 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Mar 17 02:51:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10665 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:51:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13310; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:50:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13168; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13155; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:50:11 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-42.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.42]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA99444 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:44:26 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003170744.JAA99444@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:49:56 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003162332.SAA10613@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TV out etc features X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09 c09a List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 11:38 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , said: >Since the drivers for the video for OS/2 are shit, i didn't even bother >to look if they support the TV out feature, so i had to install Windoze For your informartion, the latest version (beta 22) of the SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 for OS/2 now supports the following NeoMagic chips. . NeoMagic MagicGraph 128, MagicGraph 128V, MagicGraph 128ZV . NeoMagic MagicGraph 128ZV+, MagicGraph 128XD, MagicGraph 256AV ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/sdd/beta/os2/sdd-os2-7.0.0-b22.exe Be warned this is a 3.6MB download. I haven't had the time to install them, but it's good to know there's now an alternative to IBM's own lousy drivers. HTH, Dominique From cph Fri Mar 17 02:58:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10694 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13786; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13695; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13679; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003170758.CAA13679@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:58:07 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.235]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMXX8; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:58:02 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Dominique Pivard" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:03:57 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200003170744.JAA99444@smtp.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TV out etc features List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id CAA13786 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA10695 On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:49:56 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >For your informartion, the latest version (beta 22) of the SciTech Display >Doctor 7.0 for OS/2 now supports the following NeoMagic chips. >. NeoMagic MagicGraph 128, MagicGraph 128V, MagicGraph 128ZV >. NeoMagic MagicGraph 128ZV+, MagicGraph 128XD, MagicGraph 256AV >ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/sdd/beta/os2/sdd-os2-7.0.0-b22.exe >Be warned this is a 3.6MB download. I haven't had the time to install >them, but it's good to know there's now an alternative to IBM's own lousy >drivers. ah yes! I forgot to mention it, i've already installed beta22 on my 600E, i was about to post a note about it. The SDD beta22 do support the NeoMagic, but they don't support hardware acceleration. With other words, they work better than the IBM ones but they don't work any faster. Although the SDD driver displays the folder icons faster, its still dead slow on scrolling etc. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Holst-ThePlanets-HerbertVonKarajan-UranusTheMagician.mp3" (1:21/5:45) From cph Fri Mar 17 05:36:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA11217 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:36:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26840; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26745; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26732; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:54 -0500 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh5-port20.snet.net [204.60.43.20]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id FAA25476; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D20A89.5B134C97@snet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:35:53 -0500 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: thinkpad modem References: <3.0.6.32.20000316212044.0139e4e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark Bell Wrote: "Usually, check your own POTS wiring, make sure it is clean. Second, check your box outside. After that, it's up to Ma Bell. :)" Here, here!! As a "Ma Bell" (SBC) Outside Cable Repairman (our technical title is "Network Delivery Technician"-impressive!), and as someone with an interest in computers, my boss gives me a lot of jobs where the complaint is, "...can't connect faster than 26.4 kbps, or 28.8 kbps..." You get the idea. I would say 85% of the time, the fault is with the customer's equipment-usually a setting in Windoze, but sometimes a wiring issue, too: "What do you mean I can't connect my Fax, Answering Machine, Caller ID, Phone and Computer to this 5 way splitter I paid $1.99 for at Radio Shack?!" The best part is when I throw the my own -760 on the suspected faulty line, dial up, and connect at 53.3 kbps. The look on the customer's face is worth it, plus I get to charge them for proving faulty equipment or wiring! But try to explain the throry of SLC carriers to someone that paid $3.3 million for a home in the middle of nowhere, and expects to connect at 53.3 K, only to learn that if the get 33.6 k, it would be a miracle.... From cph Fri Mar 17 05:51:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA11262 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:51:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28113; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28033; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28020; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.217.151 -> as-img-6.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:54 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA03657; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:28 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: TP Fuel Program--not with Li-Ion batteries... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "Denis Hall" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003170550_MC2-9D75-6BE4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA11263 Yes, never let Li-ion cells fall below 3V as this reverses the polarity and is irreversible.... You can get away with lower V on Nimh and Nicads Mark From cph Fri Mar 17 05:53:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA11271 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28381; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28299; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28285; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.206.138 -> ds-img-5.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:53:25 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA06960; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:50:35 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: 760XL and similar with Windows 98 Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "Mike Lingenfelter" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003170550_MC2-9D75-6BEB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA11272 In the process of installing W98 on my 755CX. Mwave audio worked without a glitch but the MWave 2.25a install files missed out the country select util which meant I spent hours perplexing over why the Mwave modem would not dialtone detect! All works now but am trialling Win98Lite (I websearcehd after reading a newsgroup post) which will reduce disk space - removes IE - and allows an install of the faster W95 explorer... I'll see how it goes! Mark From cph Fri Mar 17 07:38:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA11845 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:38:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02923; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:35:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02643; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02627; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (195.92.195.172 -> cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:34:56 -0500 Received: from modem-26.bismuth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.26] helo=pc07187) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12Vvxl-0002PY-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:34:45 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bf900c$e5daeb00$6600a8c0@pc07187> From: "Daniel Basterfield" To: References: <20000317003126.14768.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ni-HM Battery - on/off switch??? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 List-Unsubscribe: The switch controls the circuitry within the battery which gives an accurate measurement of the remaining battery charge. If the battery is to be stored for any length of time, it should be full charged beforehand. This internal circuitry will slowly drain a stored battery, so the switch is used to turn it off and so extend the shelf-life of the charged battery. As to the charge settings on this machine, I don't know if it can be set only to charge when the battery is low. I suspect not, as most of these machines would be run off LiIons, where the memory effect is less obvious. Use the discharge option in the ThinkPad setup to set the machine to only charge when the battery is discharged, but this only stays in effect for one cycle. Dan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Kaste" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 12:31 AM Subject: Ni-HM Battery - on/off switch??? > On my 760xd I have a Ni-HM battery pack. On the back > of it there is a switch marked I and O. Right now it > is set to I. > > I would like to know what this switch does. > > Also, as I understand that these batterys need to be > charged only when they are fully dischaged. Mine > automatically charges all the time, even when it is > down 2%. Can I make it not charge until it is all the > way down to save batt life? > > Thanks > Garrett Kaste. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From cph Fri Mar 17 15:57:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA15522 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:57:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18051; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17720; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17707; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:06 -0500 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12W3kw-0002C2-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:54:02 -0500 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Marc Swanson'" , Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: thinkpad modem Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:49:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Are there any guidelines on doing proper POTS wiring? I think I have some very old wiring (fair size twisted pair) that may need replacing. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: Marc Swanson [mailto:marc.swanson@snet.net] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 5:36 AM To: Mark Bell; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad modem Mark Bell Wrote: "Usually, check your own POTS wiring, make sure it is clean. Second, check your box outside. After that, it's up to Ma Bell. :)" Here, here!! As a "Ma Bell" (SBC) Outside Cable Repairman (our technical title is "Network Delivery Technician"-impressive!), and as someone with an interest in computers, my boss gives me a lot of jobs where the complaint is, "...can't connect faster than 26.4 kbps, or 28.8 kbps..." You get the idea. I would say 85% of the time, the fault is with the customer's equipment-usually a setting in Windoze, but sometimes a wiring issue, too: "What do you mean I can't connect my Fax, Answering Machine, Caller ID, Phone and Computer to this 5 way splitter I paid $1.99 for at Radio Shack?!" The best part is when I throw the my own -760 on the suspected faulty line, dial up, and connect at 53.3 kbps. The look on the customer's face is worth it, plus I get to charge them for proving faulty equipment or wiring! But try to explain the throry of SLC carriers to someone that paid $3.3 million for a home in the middle of nowhere, and expects to connect at 53.3 K, only to learn that if the get 33.6 k, it would be a miracle.... From cph Sat Mar 18 00:08:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18135 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:08:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12529; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:06:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12396; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12383; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:06:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003180506.AAA12383@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:06:20 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri18.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.243]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMX9K; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:06:01 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: monitor? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id AAA12529 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA18136 What kind of monitor should i select for my 600E when i am asked by the video drivers? At the moment under OS/2 SDD it has a 'detected' mode which sets all refresh rates to 60hz. Windoze98 doesn't recognize the monitor and has 'Unknown'. Only XFree has specific "ThinkPad" monitor selection. Could someone please explain to me a few things about the TFT LCD screen and the differences with refresh rates from a CRT monitor? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "CafeMercedes-Disk2.mp3" (21:03/68:42) From cph Sat Mar 18 06:57:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA19343 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:57:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02766; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:56:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02571; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02558; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:56:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003181156.GAA02558@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:56:06 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri17.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.242]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMX0L; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:56:01 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: battery? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id GAA02766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA19344 The battery that my 600E uses lasts for about 2 hours and 45 minutes. And i'd like to get a second battery for backup. Could someone please explain to be the different kinds that exist? Do i have to remove my cdrom drive to use a second battery? Or can i fit a second battery in some other way? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "GiannisBardis-AmaDisTaPaidia(PesEnaGia)_06.mp3" (0:04/4:28) From cph Sat Mar 18 08:57:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA19636 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:57:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06071; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:55:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05872; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05859; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.clinet.fi (194.100.0.12 -> smtp.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:55:50 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-52.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.52]) by smtp.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08037 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:50:01 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200003181350.PAA08037@smtp.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:55:42 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003181156.GAA02558@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: battery? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09b c09a List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 at 12:01 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , said: >The battery that my 600E uses lasts for about 2 hours and 45 minutes. And >i'd like to get a second battery for backup. >Could someone please explain to be the different kinds that exist? Do i >have to remove my cdrom drive to use a second battery? Or can i fit a >second battery in some other way? How many UltraslimBays are there on your TP600E? Probably one, if it's like mine. So if you want to fit a battery in it, you'll have to remove whatever is there first. See document http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TUQHW.html (TP 600 - AC Adapters/Battery Options) for more information. From cph Sat Mar 18 11:14:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20116 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:14:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09779; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:14:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09640; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09626; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:13:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003181613.LAA09626@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:13:57 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri03.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.228]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMX09; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:13:55 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Dominique Pivard" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:19:52 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200003181350.PAA08037@smtp.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: battery? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id LAA09779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA20117 On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:55:42 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >How many UltraslimBays are there on your TP600E? Probably one, if it's >like mine. So if you want to fit a battery in it, you'll have to remove >whatever is there first. Yes one, so that means i can't use the cdrom. Is there an external UltraslimBay that can fit the cdrom drive? I tryed to put it in the one that i use for the diskdrive but it didn't fit. >See document http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TUQHW.html (TP 600 - AC >Adapters/Battery Options) for more information. k thanx for the info, i'll check it out. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "GiorgosAlkaios-MeTromozouneOiNixtes.mp3" (1:38/5:13) From cph Sat Mar 18 19:43:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22148 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:43:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28628; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:41:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28471; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28458; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176 -> web3805.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20000319004142.5832.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:41:42 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Video Capture Software To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I own a 760xd laptop and it has video out and video capture. I did not get the origional disks and I am missing the video capture software. I belive, according to IBM, it should be on the windows 95 cd that came with the laptop. I was wondering if anyone out there had a copy then could email to me. I belive it is called Asymetrix Video Producer. Thanks Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sat Mar 18 20:05:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA22209 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:05:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29574; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29472; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29459; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:44 -0500 Received: from tp600e ([209.138.35.39]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA00374 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:04:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701bf913f$32f8da40$27238ad1@tp600e> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: UltraSlim Bay battery for TP600E Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:05:17 -0800 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know any place to buy a ultraslim bay battery for TP600E at a good price? Thanks From cph Sat Mar 18 21:07:28 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA22426 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:07:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02049; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:06:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01921; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01908; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:06:39 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA21184 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:06:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000318180601.04dd2d30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:07:03 -0800 To: "Thinkpad" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: UltraSlim Bay battery for TP600E In-Reply-To: <001701bf913f$32f8da40$27238ad1@tp600e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:05 PM 3/18/2000 , James wrote: >Does anyone know any place to buy a ultraslim bay battery for TP600E at a >good price? One place to look for low prices on **ANY** computer hardware/software would be to visit: http://www.shopper.com Good luck. -- David Goldman From cph Sun Mar 19 01:52:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA23609 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:52:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15022; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:51:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14917; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14904; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.cableone.net (24.116.0.51 -> mail1.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:51:01 -0500 Received: from thinkpad ([24.116.4.193]) by mail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:50:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001301bf916f$6b107020$0200a8c0@thinkpad> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "thinkpad" Subject: need pcmcia cables Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:50:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a motorola mobile surfer pcmcia 56k modem and i need to get cables for it. does anyone know where i can get one. i already checked motorola's web site and i couldn't find out where to purchase a cable at. anyone out here know where i can get one..? thanks Charles McDaniel First Stage Radial Tire Builder Cooper Tire And Rubber Co. 1971 Firebird 1977 Trans Am 1992 Ford (ugh) Mustang LX Convertable 5.0 cc:755CX From cph Sun Mar 19 02:13:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA23674 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:13:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15944; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:12:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15834; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15821; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:12:47 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.108 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:12:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf9172$9be468c0$6c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Charles McDaniel" , "thinkpad" References: <001301bf916f$6b107020$0200a8c0@thinkpad> Subject: Re: need pcmcia cables Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:13:18 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I have a motorola mobile surfer pcmcia 56k modem and i need to get cables for it. does anyone know where i can get one." Try http://www.pcmciacables.com/ - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From cph Sun Mar 19 02:19:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA23696 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16401; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16325; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16312; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:19:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 20838 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2000 07:19:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000319071927.20837.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:19:27 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: need pcmcia cables To: Charles McDaniel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It may be cheaper to just throw it in the trash and get a new one. Quite a while back I ran across the web site of a company that sells those kinds of cables. Are you sure you want to spend that much money, they cost $25-50. I was looking for a Motorola cable but decided to just buy a new modem instead because the Motorola modems don't work worth a damn anyway. --- Charles McDaniel wrote: > I have a motorola mobile surfer pcmcia 56k modem and > i need to get cables > for it. > does anyone know where i can get one. > i already checked motorola's web site and i couldn't > find out where to > purchase a cable at. > anyone out here know where i can get one..? > thanks > Charles McDaniel > First Stage Radial Tire Builder Cooper Tire And > Rubber Co. > > 1971 Firebird > 1977 Trans Am > 1992 Ford (ugh) Mustang LX Convertable 5.0 > > cc:755CX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Mar 19 08:04:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA01676 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:04:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05426; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:03:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05220; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ma.huji.ac.il (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05192; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ma.huji.ac.il (132.64.32.5 -> ma.huji.ac.il) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:03:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by math.ma.huji.ac.il (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19445 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:00:11 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:00:11 +0200 (IST) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sundial To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560 keys In-Reply-To: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: [] on my 560: 2 keys ("delete" and "down arrow") have lately stopped functioning for some periods of time (it comes and goes with no reason...). i took the covers off and cleaned, but didn't help. any suggestions? bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From cph Sun Mar 19 12:33:15 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA02931 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:33:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29787; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28111; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28064; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 27585 invoked by uid 66); 19 Mar 2000 17:36:50 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Mar 19 17:36:50 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 15941EB46; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:39:54 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <4.2.1.20000316152321.04450570@127.0.0.1> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000319133954.15941EB46@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:39:54 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: David Goldman wrote: > IBM (NYSE: IBM) said in a statement its 7,200 rpm Deskstar 75GXP drive ... > A single one of the new drives can now store the equivalent of up to > 159 music compact discs or "the data contained in a stack of documents ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ more than 1000 if it's MP3 :-) > Hey, Bill... Please let me know when these become available for my > Thinkpad 380Z. ;-) Never - except if you got a very big 380Z. It is a _deskstar_: 3.5" -- "The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." From cph Sun Mar 19 12:33:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA02938 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:33:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29783; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28112; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28065; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:31:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 27589 invoked by uid 66); 19 Mar 2000 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Mar 19 17:36:51 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 00195EB46; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:42:05 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: thinkpad modem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200003162255.RAA07569@CS.UTK.EDU> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000319134205.00195EB46@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:42:05 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds > is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem > reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. Or it reports the connect speed between machine and modem. Newbies can get quite confused by this (and hence by marketroids talking about it). -- They spell it "da Vinci" and pronounce it "da Vinchy". Foreigners always spell better than they pronounce. -- Mark Twain From cph Sun Mar 19 13:49:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA03330 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06314; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06210; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06197; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:49:07 -0500 Received: from 209-122-248-115.s369.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.115] helo=my560) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Wkkg-0006sP-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bf921f$088468c0$73f87ad1@my560> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: Cardbus on 560 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF91EF.1A44F000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF91EF.1A44F000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a 560 P133, and I am trying to determine if it has a Cardbus interface. This is not clear from the IBM site. Any ideas? Thanks. Donald ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF91EF.1A44F000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,
 
I have a 560 P133, and I am trying = to
determine if it has a Cardbus=20 interface.
This is not clear from the IBM = site.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks.
 
Donald
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF91EF.1A44F000-- From cph Sun Mar 19 14:58:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA03606 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08946; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08778; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08765; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003191958.OAA08765@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:58:01 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri01.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.226]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMY1L; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:57:57 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000319134205.00195EB46@seneca.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: thinkpad modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id OAA08946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA03607 On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:42:05 +0100 (CET), Harald Milz wrote: >sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >> Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds >> is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem >> reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. > >Or it reports the connect speed between machine and modem. Newbies can get >quite confused by this (and hence by marketroids talking about it). True! Like when the modem is using a locked port at high speeds like 115200. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Sun Mar 19 17:55:28 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA04395 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:55:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16669; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:53:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16541; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16523; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:53:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003192253.RAA16523@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:53:54 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri05.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.230]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYFG; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:53:48 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id RAA16669 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA04396 I talked with someone who is trying to convince IBM to either make new drivers for OS/2 to support 56K speeds on the internal modem of the thinkpads, or give him the sources to do it himself. and for some reason, they are refusing to do either. does anyone know why? or got any more info on that? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Sun Mar 19 19:18:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04686 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20157; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20025; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20012; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:26 -0500 Received: from user-38ld3gc.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3gc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.142.12]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21597; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003200017.TAA21597@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:22:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200003170744.JAA99444@smtp.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TV out etc features List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded them, but am a little nervous given their disclaimer. Any news from anyone who has actually used the SciTech driver? On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:49:56 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 11:38 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." >, said: > >>Since the drivers for the video for OS/2 are shit, i didn't even bother >>to look if they support the TV out feature, so i had to install Windoze > >For your informartion, the latest version (beta 22) of the SciTech Display >Doctor 7.0 for OS/2 now supports the following NeoMagic chips. > >. NeoMagic MagicGraph 128, MagicGraph 128V, MagicGraph 128ZV >. NeoMagic MagicGraph 128ZV+, MagicGraph 128XD, MagicGraph 256AV > >ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/sdd/beta/os2/sdd-os2-7.0.0-b22.exe > >Be warned this is a 3.6MB download. I haven't had the time to install >them, but it's good to know there's now an alternative to IBM's own lousy >drivers. > >HTH, Dominique From cph Sun Mar 19 19:19:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04690 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:19:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20343; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20227; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20212; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:54 -0500 Received: from user-38ld3gc.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3gc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.142.12]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23043; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:18:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003200018.TAA23043@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Garrett Kaste" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:24:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <20000319004142.5832.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Video Capture Software List-Unsubscribe: Your best bet is to find a XD install CD. I think the files are packed and need some IBM voodoo to unpack them. On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:41:42 -0800 (PST), Garrett Kaste wrote: >I own a 760xd laptop and it has video out and video >capture. I did not get the origional disks and I am >missing the video capture software. I belive, >according to IBM, it should be on the windows 95 cd >that came with the laptop. I was wondering if anyone >out there had a copy then could email to me. I belive >it is called Asymetrix Video Producer. > >Thanks >Garrett Kaste. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Mar 19 20:35:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA05060 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:35:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23774; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:33:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23609; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23596; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:33:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003200133.UAA23596@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:33:54 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri00.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.225]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYG6; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:33:51 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "aballard@ix.netcom.com" , "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:39:53 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: SDD for Laptops running OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id UAA23774 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA05061 The url for the SDD SpecialEdition for OS/2 is: http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/02C85B26B9A029488725689000530FE4.html You can get the SDD Professional (shareware) from: http://www.scitechsoft.com/ SDD is based on GRADD for OS/2, which means that it will run on practicaly every video card. Since if they can use VBE/VESA protocols to run high resolutions and refresh rates, although i bit slower. But all major cards are supported. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Mon Mar 20 02:37:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA06559 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:37:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10985; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:34:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10787; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10773; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:34:53 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-41.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.41]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07854 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:34:47 +0200 Message-Id: <200003200734.JAA07854@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:34:45 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003192253.RAA16523@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: IBM? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 at 10:59 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , said: >I talked with someone who is trying to convince IBM to either make new >drivers for OS/2 to support 56K speeds on the internal modem of the >thinkpads, or give him the sources to do it himself. >and for some reason, they are refusing to do either. >does anyone know why? or got any more info on that? This was discussed on Usenet recently. It was said IBM could not release the code, because it involved a number of patents, not all of them from IBM. It was also said that IBM had seen little demand from their major corporate customers for such drivers, and that the modem had anyway been replaced by Lucent on newer models. From cph Mon Mar 20 03:47:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA06770 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:47:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14752; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:46:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14635; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14618; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:46:49 -0500 Received: from dante33.u.washington.edu (williams@dante33.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.215]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id AAA39190; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:46:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante33.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id AAA47768; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:46:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Williams" To: "J. Williams" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: LCD/Footpad/ Back cover/ PCMCIA - 770ED In-Reply-To: <200003200734.JAA07854@mail.clinet.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have to send in my 770ED back to EasyServ for LCD servicing. I had flickering LCD problems. This was repaired but now the LCD has many dark spots (looks like dust). Has anyone experienced this? Recently one foot pad came off and the back cover (system expansion) came off after attaching to the Selectabase. Will IBM fix this or is this "user wear?" Also, I noticed that inside the the PCMCIA lower slot the metal is bent upward maybe because of heat. Anyone else seen this? (I keep my Lan + Modem Card there all the time). Thanks, John From cph Mon Mar 20 06:29:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA07498 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:29:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28056; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27946; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27932; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:56 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id GAA18260 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:28:18 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: ...more info on overclocking... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003200628_MC2-9DD4-4124@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA07499 Following our recent thread on the potential of overclocking via software, a spam mail dropped in my box claiming the virtues of the following software. I questioned them on the claim that ANY chip can be accommodated stating I had a 755CX with the P75 Intel P54c 'tape edged' variety... Comments sought... Mark ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:Bidhere543@cs.com, INTERNET:Bidhere543@cs.com TO: (unknown), [100550,3170] DATE: 18/03/2000 23:05 RE: more info on overclocking Hi thanks for your question,this software will indeed overclock any system,the software details can be found at the website link below Requested info on overclocker Hi,thanks for your interest in this pc system upgrade , click the link below for the details,or copy and paste into your browser.you will find this software very useful as it will save you hundreds of dollars in upgrade cost. http://www6.bcity.com/grabbuy/index.html For payment terms read below The address for payment is Amount $12.50 Grabbuy software 2335 ne 172st #2 Miami florida 33160 usa Don't forget to include your return address and email We accept credit cards through http://www.paypal.com ,made payable to email address grabbuy@gohip.com,for Usa orders only,while international payments by money orders are done securely through http://www.bidpay.com/ questions, email me at mailto:grabbuy@gohip.com From cph Mon Mar 20 07:10:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA07590 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:10:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29485; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:10:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29305; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29292; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:09:58 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-41.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.41]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04950 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:09:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000320071437.013a5ac0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:14:37 -0800 To: thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: ...more info on overclocking... In-Reply-To: <200003200628_MC2-9DD4-4124@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At a certain point, common sense HAS to kick in. :) "200mhz becomes LIKE 300mhz." == "We remove some of the Windows Slog to speed up your system. Drop to a real DOS prompt or run Linux and we're screwed" "We will reduce the temperature of your system" == "We will eliminate wasted clock cycles and instuctions so your CPU can rest and cool. Want to see it heat up again even with shareware...er...our software running? Run Quake3 timedemos demos all night!" "You can advance the internal clock speed of your motherboard, they have 2 different banks of jumpers that you can set in the bios or manually on the board " == "We hope your MB can overclock. If not, this information is useless....er, don't Abit MBs use jumpers too?" "The cpu internal clock speed selector itself ,does not affect the rate at which the peripheral devices work,it only improves the performance of your microprocessor " == "Please only pick a perfectly divisible front side bus multiplier so your PCI and AGP will remain in spec so I won't be responsible for crashes or lock ups, because Intel chips are CLOCK LOCKED!" Overall, this is like saying: "cacheman makes you system with 32megs LIKE a system with 64megs" == "Cacheman manages memory and system resources better than Windows, but it AIN'T 64megs!" (BTW, cacheman is a great program and it's FREE ) Personally, I would bet it is some shareware/freeware utilities coupled with a poorly written text file or database with information that is easily found on the Internet if you can spare, oh, 30 seconds using a serch engine. >;-P At 06:28 AM 03/20/2000 -0500, Mark Gardiner wrote: >Following our recent thread on the potential of overclocking via software, >a spam mail dropped in my box claiming the virtues of the following software. >I questioned them on the claim that ANY chip can be accommodated stating I had >a 755CX with the P75 Intel P54c 'tape edged' variety... > >Comments sought... > >Mark >---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > >From: INTERNET:Bidhere543@cs.com, INTERNET:Bidhere543@cs.com >TO: (unknown), [100550,3170] >DATE: 18/03/2000 23:05 > >RE: more info on overclocking > > >Hi thanks for your question,this software will indeed overclock any >system,the software details can be found at the website link below > >Requested info on overclocker > >Hi,thanks for your interest in this pc system upgrade , >click the link below for the details,or copy and paste into your browser.you >will find this software very useful as it will save you hundreds of dollars >in upgrade cost. > >http://www6.bcity.com/grabbuy/index.html > > > >For payment terms read below > >The address for payment is >Amount $12.50 >Grabbuy software >2335 ne 172st #2 >Miami florida >33160 usa > >Don't forget to include your return address and email > > >We accept credit cards through http://www.paypal.com ,made payable to email >address grabbuy@gohip.com,for Usa orders only,while international payments by >money orders are done securely through http://www.bidpay.com/ > >questions, email me at mailto:grabbuy@gohip.com > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Mar 20 08:39:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07801 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:39:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04028; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03700; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03687; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:30 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:30 -0500 Received: from smui4.eng00.mindspring.net (smui4.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.49]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23904; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui4.eng00.mindspring.net id IAA0000031736; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500 To: Mark Bell Cc: thinkpad Subject: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL Sender: aballard@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.142.130.7 List-Unsubscribe: Help! This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. Namely, it won't boot. It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. F1 generates I9990305 At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. I have tried removing the floppy, and have gone into setup where thes unit passes all tests. I reinitialized. What could this be? Is the unit (97/07) still under warrenty? Who to call about a repair? This is a production machine, and I am about to jump. any help would be appreciated, particularly phone numbers of whoever in IBM I should call. thanks again. Allan Ballard From cph Mon Mar 20 08:39:59 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07805 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:39:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04034; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03731; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03717; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:36 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:36 -0500 Received: from smui4.eng00.mindspring.net (smui4.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.49]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23904; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui4.eng00.mindspring.net id IAA0000031736; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500 To: Mark Bell Cc: thinkpad Subject: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL Sender: aballard@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.142.130.7 List-Unsubscribe: <<< No Message Collected >>> From cph Mon Mar 20 08:51:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07843 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05160; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05076; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05063; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003201351.IAA05063@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:05 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri17.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.242]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYJN; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:51:02 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "aballard@ix.netcom.com" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id IAA05160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA07844 On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500, aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Help! >This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. >Namely, it won't boot. >It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. >F1 generates I9990305 >At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. I had this problem with my 600E when i accidently disabled the bus! I had to remove the battery, then reinitialize the machine. Try it and tell us if it works for you too. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "State of Grace: Not Over Yet" (2:25/4:33) From cph Mon Mar 20 08:58:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07869 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05755; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05679; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05665; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:03 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax6.vramp.net [198.138.8.69]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA52632; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Mark Bell" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:03:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: aballard@ix.netcom.com [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > > Namely, it won't boot. > > It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a > flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and > sorta indicates I should hit F1. > > F1 generates I9990305 This error code indicates that the boot system is missing or not being read from your HD, hence the icon for inserting a bootdisk in the floppy on startup. There is a _small_ possibility that your CMOS battery is dead or dying, but if the unit didn't show the incorrecrt date and time in setup, this probably isn;t the case. Try removing the HD and reinstalling it, making sure it is properly seated. Go into EZSetup and make sure your HD is properly selected as a boot device and re-initialize. If the unit still won't boot, I hope you've backed up your data recently as I would suspect your HD is dead. > At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. Keyboard error code. Probably generated as the result of your attempts to get the unit to boot if it doesn't repeat. Regards, James From cph Mon Mar 20 12:49:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09527 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:49:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23629; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23082; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23068; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:42 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a5.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.21]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD9225DCA; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:43:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38D5D7BD.480660B3@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:48:13 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aballard@ix.netcom.com Cc: Mark Bell , thinkpad Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Some of the 760XL's had a lot of defective floppy drives... I exchanged floppy drives with EZServe and never had a nuther problem... but it sounds as if this may be a hard drive problem... Take your floppy drive out, and replace it with the CD ROM unit... If the hard drive still wont boot with the cD ROM unit installed, it is the hard drive... do you have any utility disks such as Norton? Some 760's had a 3 year warranty if you bought them from IBM or certain dealers... Doesn't hurt to call EZ Serve... or IBM... one of them can tell you if it is under warrantee because you registered it properly... if you did not register it, you must have the original receipt, then they will tell you whether it is under warranty or not... sometimes it only takes $30 to $50 or $75 depending on new or used and where... to exchange the floppy drive... Still you could probably fix it yourself if it is a hard drive, except you probably want all that stinking old data... and you didn't back up, Right? Good luck. aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Help! > > This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > > Namely, it won't boot. > > It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. > > F1 generates I9990305 > At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. > > I have tried removing the floppy, and have gone into setup where thes unit passes all tests. > > I reinitialized. > > What could this be? > > Is the unit (97/07) still under warrenty? > > Who to call about a repair? > > This is a production machine, and I am about to jump. > > any help would be appreciated, particularly phone numbers > of whoever in IBM I should call. > > thanks again. > > Allan Ballard From cph Mon Mar 20 13:21:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09741 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:21:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26374; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26173; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26132; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:51 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA162386; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <38D66B80.4EC4CE4C@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:40 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive References: <4.2.1.20000316152321.04450570@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: uhh.. :-) how many do you want..?? or how many do you think you NEED..?? heheh... David Goldman wrote: > IBM (NYSE: IBM) said in a statement its 7,200 rpm Deskstar 75GXP drive > for desktop computers held 75 gigabytes of data, more than 10 times > the capacity of drives found in the average home personal computer. > > A single one of the new drives can now store the equivalent of up to > 159 music compact discs or "the data contained in a stack of documents > 20 times taller than the Washington Monument," the statement said. The > monument is just over 555 feet tall. Twenty times that height is > 11,100 feet, or 2.1 miles. > > Hey, Bill... Please let me know when these become available for my > Thinkpad 380Z. ;-) > > -- > David Goldman -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 13:26:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09789 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26932; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:24:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26694; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26670; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:57 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA183796; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <38D66CB1.B0457D05@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:45 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad list Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: since i'm answering this on monday, i may be late, BUT.. most of the IBM adapters work on most thinkpads.. round plug on round plug machines and 4 wire on 4 wire machines.. i have successfully used a 701 adapter on a 770 and vice versa.. all the time.. so, for a 560, most any round plug adapter SHOULD work fine.. :-) David Ross wrote: > Thanks to all (especially Steve C and Stephen C) for the advice. (Also, > thanks to all for not pointing out > my misspelling of 'adapter'.) > > I cracked open my adapter (with great difficulty - these are clearly > *never* meant to be opened!) and found that there's nothing wrong with > the adapter itself, but there were 2 separate shorts in the DC-out line, > one in the strain-relief module (which I gather also converts from twin > lead to coax line) and one near the plug. So, all I have to do is > replace the DC-out line and plug to get a working unit. > > Of course, once I'm done the thing will be nowhere near as robust or > nice as it was (after all, I've decimated the strain-relief bit), and in > any event I want a spare. Now I'm having trouble figuring out the right > unit - the original (85G6737) seems to not exist any more, there are a > whole lot of others (e.g., > 85G6689, 11J9992, ...) which might or might not work. When I go to > IBM's web shop > and follow the links to my specific machine I get to the page > http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/ModelLookup2/264010U?OpenDocument > &65,65 > which suggests the 02K6546, then in a footnote says that it *won't* in > fact work on my machine. Eh? > Then why recommend it? > > Help? > > - David R. (ross@math.hawaii.edu) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 13:29:26 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09805 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:29:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27417; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27218; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27205; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:54 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA109192; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: <38D66D5A.A2FA908C@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:26:34 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: Tom Franklin , Guy Pelchat , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 12GB Hitachi drive for TP600E References: <200003122147.XAA72317@smtp.clinet.fi> <38CD23B6.9E5E4A30@gate.net> <001d01bf8d7d$24a27c00$0101a8c0@rob> <018601bf8e48$c23f96c0$39e26520@oscar> <00bc01bf8e60$353a96e0$4be6d7cc@uxledkvk> <4.2.2.20000315094519.013fa430@pop.rcn.com> <4.2.2.20000316202058.01427c58@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: toshiba and IBM (i think) share some technology.. the main difference between the two, today, is that drive fitness test won't run on a toshiba drive.. :-) but if the clinks and gurgling of an IBM drive does not bother you, then IBM may be the way to go.. you spends you money and you takes you chances.. :-) richard wrote: > At 12:40 AM 3/16/2000 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: > >the hitachi drive is found in many, if not all, 600E machines.. > >the 600E 400mhz machine i have now uses a 10gig, hitachi drive.. > >i don't know the speed or data throughput, but it seems to work well > >enough.. :-) > > > >the toshiba drives seem to be quieter and also has a 1meg data buffer... > >makes throughput faster, i suspect.. :-) > > The toshiba sounds like the way to go (at least, compared to the travelstar > and the hitachi) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 13:52:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09970 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:52:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29742; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:48:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29344; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29320; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:48:14 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA21345; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: thinkpad modem Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200003191958.OAA08765@CS.UTK.EDU> List-Unsubscribe: > >> Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds > >> is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem > >> reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. > > > >Or it reports the connect speed between machine and modem. > Newbies can get > >quite confused by this (and hence by marketroids talking about it). > > True! Like when the modem is using a locked port at high speeds > like 115200. And since the topic came up, you can fix this on a ThinkPad Mwave modem by adding W1 to your initialization string (wherever that may be in the OS or comm software you're running). Then it will report the line speed, not the port speed. -Mike From cph Mon Mar 20 14:02:31 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA10044 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:02:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01118; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:00:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00821; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00807; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:00:36 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a5.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.21]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B389725DCA; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:00:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38D5E9B8.13471576@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:04:56 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Subject: Re: thinkpad modem References: <200003162255.RAA07569@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id OAA01118 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA10045 Well, you are sorta correct... actually, as a broadcast engineer I have had to check a number of situations in North Carolina, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, and California... It is not possible to exceed 53K, but if the lines are new and the relay boxes are good, it is quite possible to exceed 48 and come very close to 53K... I have seen 51 and 52 a number of times. The reality is that many of the lines onto which we hooked our very sophisticated test gear... did not exceed 38K or 39K much of the time and certainly not between 11 am and 3 p.m... and again 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Many times these sophisticated high speed lines dropped down to 24K to 28K for extended periods of time... Southern Arizona and Western New Mexico has entire areas of 75 miles by 75 miles where the speeds never got above 24K and do not today... Generally anywhere that US West is, you must expect that the high speeds are rare and some locations never happen... and they are pushing DSL at high prices. My experience leads me to believe that many, many other telephone companies are not providing you with the speed you think you are getting... but none I know of (other than small local or regional companies) are consistently worse than USWest. Ray "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > When comparing modem speeds please remember > that the 56K speed is just an advertising trick. > > Phone lines can't practicaly reach 56K speeds. 48K speeds > is about the highest speeds that you'll ever get. If some modem > reports 56K speeds or higher, then its a lie. > > Although you may notice the download speed to reach 56K or even > higher, but that only happens when downloading plain text or very > uncompressed data. > > Another thing to consider is the modem on the 'other end'. Which may > not be as good as yours. Other things to consider is the cables that you > are using, their length and outside interference. > (like places with a lot of storms etc) > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > i'm not playing anything.. From cph Mon Mar 20 14:19:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA10158 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:19:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03031; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:16:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02449; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02434; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:16:55 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA130886; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: <38D678B8.41DCAA7A@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:15:04 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: aballard@ix.netcom.com, Mark Bell , thinkpad Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM support 800-772-2227 it is still under warranty.. there is a reset button on the back, incide a small hole.. try that.. "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > aballard@ix.netcom.com [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > > > This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > > > > Namely, it won't boot. > > > > It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a > > flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and > > sorta indicates I should hit F1. > > > > F1 generates I9990305 > > This error code indicates that the boot system is missing or not being read from > your HD, hence the icon for inserting a bootdisk in the floppy on startup. > > There is a _small_ possibility that your CMOS battery is dead or dying, but if > the unit didn't show the incorrecrt date and time in setup, this probably isn;t > the case. > > Try removing the HD and reinstalling it, making sure it is properly seated. Go > into EZSetup and make sure your HD is properly selected as a boot device and > re-initialize. If the unit still won't boot, I hope you've backed up your data > recently as I would suspect your HD is dead. > > > At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. > > Keyboard error code. Probably generated as the result of your attempts to get > the unit to boot if it doesn't repeat. > > Regards, > > James -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 14:58:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA10491 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:58:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06296; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05969; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05956; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:36 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA175686; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38D68224.AD00BA54@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:55:17 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD/Footpad/ Back cover/ PCMCIA - 770ED References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. "J. Williams" wrote: > Hi, > > I have to send in my 770ED back to EasyServ for LCD servicing. I had > flickering LCD problems. This was repaired but now the LCD has many dark > spots (looks like dust). Has anyone experienced this? > NO, but you should let them know.. i had a trade in 770-1AU some time ago that had what appeared to be a very fine dusting of white, that was visible only when in a dark room.. once noticed, however, it was very annoying.. and since i was selling this machine, i had to convince easy serve of the existance of this, THEN the repaired without a problem.. > > Recently one foot pad came off and the back cover (system expansion) came > off after attaching to the Selectabase. Will IBM fix this or is this > "user wear?" > they will say it is user wear, i'll bet..! > > Also, I noticed that inside the the PCMCIA lower slot the metal is bent > upward maybe because of heat. Anyone else seen this? (I keep my Lan + > Modem Card there all the time). > my guess is this got bent when they worked on the machine last time.. or at the factory when it was built.. > > Thanks, > > John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 15:01:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA10523 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:01:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06857; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06628; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06615; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:46 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-139.gate.net [199.227.20.202]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA252188; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <38D68306.3E2FE62B@gate.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:59:02 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay CC: aballard@ix.netcom.com, Mark Bell , thinkpad Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL References: <38D5D7BD.480660B3@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its not ther floppy drive.. the graphic is telliong you to insert an operating system diskette.. try reseating the HDD.. it might have come loose.. the 3 year warranty runs from the mfg. date if there is no original invoice.. as a last resort, pull everything except the HDD (memory and all) then try to reboot.. don't forget that there is a reset button on the back, between the expansion plug and the, uhh.. ext. video plug.. Ray Bay wrote: > Some of the 760XL's had a lot of defective floppy drives... I exchanged > floppy drives with EZServe and never had a nuther problem... but it > sounds as if this may be a hard drive problem... Take your floppy drive > out, and replace it with the CD ROM unit... If the hard drive still > wont boot with the cD ROM unit installed, it is the hard drive... do you > have any utility disks such as Norton? > > Some 760's had a 3 year warranty if you bought them from IBM or certain > dealers... Doesn't hurt to call EZ Serve... or IBM... one of them can > tell you if it is under warrantee because you registered it properly... > if you did not register it, you must have the original receipt, then > they will tell you whether it is under warranty or not... > > sometimes it only takes $30 to $50 or $75 depending on new or used and > where... to exchange the floppy drive... > > Still you could probably fix it yourself if it is a hard drive, except > you probably want all that stinking old data... and you didn't back up, > Right? > > Good luck. > > aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > Help! > > > > This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > > > > Namely, it won't boot. > > > > It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. > > > > F1 generates I9990305 > > At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. > > > > I have tried removing the floppy, and have gone into setup where thes unit passes all tests. > > > > I reinitialized. > > > > What could this be? > > > > Is the unit (97/07) still under warrenty? > > > > Who to call about a repair? > > > > This is a production machine, and I am about to jump. > > > > any help would be appreciated, particularly phone numbers > > of whoever in IBM I should call. > > > > thanks again. > > > > Allan Ballard -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 20 16:43:26 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA11319 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:43:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17275; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:40:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16981; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16954; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:40:39 -0500 Received: from nycexbh01.mi8.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:11:58 -0500 Received: by nycexbh01.mi8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A6023C3EFD@nycexis01.mi8.com> From: Steve Hultquist To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:10:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF92B0.C5200976" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF92B0.C5200976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have heard a rumor that the 240's battery life is only about 45 minutes. Is that really true? Also, any of you seen a small computer with one of the unusual high-resolution screen aspect ratios (like 1024x600)? I have a couple of people in the office who are looking for machines to use on planes without having them crushed when the person in front leans back. Suggestions? ssh ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF92B0.C5200976 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF92B0.C5200976-- From cph Mon Mar 20 18:34:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12162 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24677; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24395; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24382; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:31:40 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DC7@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Steve Hultquist '" , "'Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail) '" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:28:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I've got the Sony PictureBook. Screen is "sport model XGA": 1024 x 480. It is INCREDIBLY sharp and clear. I've run DVDs through it via the PCcard port and the sharpness is phenomenal. Its width and depth are the size of the keyboard. and it's an inch or so thick. A great travel machine. With the optional battery ($300!!) figure 3 hours or so of use. ymmv. This is the Pentium 266 machine. Sony's new PictureBook is a Pentium II 400 and the specs on that look awesome. Regards, Neil Thinkpad 770ED, 600, 701 Sony PictureBook C1X -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hultquist To: Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail) Sent: 3/20/00 4:10 PM Subject: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks I have heard a rumor that the 240's battery life is only about 45 minutes. Is that really true? Also, any of you seen a small computer with one of the unusual high-resolution screen aspect ratios (like 1024x600)? I have a couple of people in the office who are looking for machines to use on planes without having them crushed when the person in front leans back. Suggestions? ssh From cph Mon Mar 20 18:48:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12242 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:48:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25943; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:46:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25747; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25734; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.141 -> f141.law8.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:46:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 92976 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 2000 23:46:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000320234637.92975.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "Jake Holmen" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:46:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi all. Has anyone successfully connected a Linux box with a W95 box so that Linux can read all the W95 Hard drive? I can mount a hard drive in linux as long as it's on the same computer, but I need to network the two. Currently I own a Laplink cable. I can boot both into W95 and use Direct Cable Connect, but it's time consuming to reboot all the time when all I want is to install a file into Linux. Comments would be appreciated. Cheers J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Mon Mar 20 18:55:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12271 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:55:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26485; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26322; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26308; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:53:14 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08141; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:53:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101bf92c7$89cb1c00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jake Holmen" , References: <20000320234637.92975.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:53:48 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You need SAMBA (which is essentially a Unix device driver for the W95 file system). I've never installed this myself (I considered it for a Solaris system, but didn't have enough sysadmin access to install it) but there is an active Usenet group as well as lots of stuff elsewhere on the internet (search for SAMBA). There might even be a Linux Howto somewhere. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Holmen" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux Hi all. Has anyone successfully connected a Linux box with a W95 box so that Linux can read all the W95 Hard drive? I can mount a hard drive in linux as long as it's on the same computer, but I need to network the two. Currently I own a Laplink cable. I can boot both into W95 and use Direct Cable Connect, but it's time consuming to reboot all the time when all I want is to install a file into Linux. Comments would be appreciated. Cheers J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Mon Mar 20 19:08:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12379 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27569; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:07:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27321; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27299; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:07:08 -0500 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08037 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07984; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m12XCCI-0003poC; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:06 PST Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17903; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from czs00@localhost) by ladybug.M2_BLDG (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA28290; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:15:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20000320161512.47038@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:15:12 -0800 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: David Ross Cc: Jake Holmen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux References: <20000320234637.92975.qmail@hotmail.com> <002101bf92c7$89cb1c00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <002101bf92c7$89cb1c00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu>; from David Ross on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:53:48PM -1000 List-Unsubscribe: RedHat comes with Samba already pre-compiled, only need to make sure it is selected during the install. Samba, though, only allows MS OSes to access Unix file systems, not the viceversa. To mount W95 (and WfW and NT) shares on Linux, you can use smbfs (public domain) or similar commercial products. RedHat is predisposed to run smbfs, but you need to make sure the kernel you use has the appropriate drivers activated. There is an HOWTO about it, or do a search on the 'Net. Serenella Ciongoli On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:53:48PM -1000, David Ross wrote: > You need SAMBA (which is essentially a Unix device driver for the W95 > file system). I've > never installed this myself (I considered it for a Solaris system, but > didn't have enough sysadmin access to install it) but there is an active > Usenet group as well as lots of stuff elsewhere > on the internet (search for SAMBA). There might even be a Linux Howto > somewhere. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jake Holmen" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:46 PM > Subject: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux > > > Hi all. > > Has anyone successfully connected a Linux box with a W95 box so that > Linux > can read all the W95 Hard drive? > > I can mount a hard drive in linux as long as it's on the same computer, > but > I need to network the two. > Currently I own a Laplink cable. > > I can boot both into W95 and use Direct Cable Connect, but it's time > consuming to reboot all the time when all I want is to install a file > into > Linux. > > Comments would be appreciated. > > Cheers > J > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- Serenella Ciongoli Staff Design Assurance Engineer Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale, CA czs00@amdahl.com - ICQ#43902395 From cph Mon Mar 20 19:09:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12396 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:09:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27693; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27432; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27419; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:08:04 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA08218; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:07:55 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003501bf92c9$99bac820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: "ThinkPad list" References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <38D66CB1.B0457D05@gate.net> Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:08:33 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "most of the IBM adapters work on most thinkpads.. round plug on round plug machines and 4 wire on 4 wire machines.." This is what I'd gathered from previous discussions on this NG, but I was taken aback by the IBM website, where they say: " Family: ThinkPad 560 Model: 264010U Power, AC Adapter" and only list the 02K6545, with the footnote: "18. Supports ThinkPad 560X/Z models only." - David R. From cph Mon Mar 20 21:10:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13095 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:10:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03937; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:07:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03716; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03701; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:06:57 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcpB.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.139]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA09909; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D6D8E8.63ACF054@ricochet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:05:28 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: penzance@gate.net, ThinkPad list Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <38D66CB1.B0457D05@gate.net> <003501bf92c9$99bac820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps this is simply Old Data? That is to say, were the 560X/Z the most power-hungry model for their time? From what I've seen, there are 34W adaptors and there are 57W adaptors [or 37 and 54?]. Perhaps it just needs the extra juice? My 770ED's adaptor is the higher-cap variety and is rated positive "tip" [center barrel], 16V, 3.36A [54W out, 120W in]. andy 770ed, just back from easyserv * high voltage board had gone bust after 2 years - backlight kept failing 730T on its way, just for fun David Ross wrote: > "most of the IBM adapters work on most thinkpads.. > round plug on round plug machines and 4 wire on 4 wire machines.." > > This is what I'd gathered from previous discussions on this NG, but I > was taken aback by > the IBM website, where they say: " Family: ThinkPad 560 Model: 264010U > Power, AC Adapter" > and only list the 02K6545, with the footnote: "18. Supports ThinkPad > 560X/Z models only." > > - David R. From cph Tue Mar 21 00:24:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA13737 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:24:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15130; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:22:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14902; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14889; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:21:59 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09374 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:21:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01bf92f5$766c11e0$4162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad list" References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <38D66CB1.B0457D05@gate.net> <003501bf92c9$99bac820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <38D6D8E8.63ACF054@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:22:31 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The X and Z models were successors to my 264010U; perhaps IBM meant the footnote to read "18. Supports ThinkPad 560/X/Z models only" instead of "18. Supports ThinkPad 560X/Z models only"; the former would serve to distinguish the 560 family from the 7xx, 6xx, and 3xx families, whereas as it stands it seems to distinguish the 560 from its successors. Anyway, thanks to all for the input, I will trust that any of these will work as long as it has the barrel pin output. (After the surgery required to make my old adapter work it is a bit delicate, and I would like something more robust for normal use.) - David From cph Tue Mar 21 01:07:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13845 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:07:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16899; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:06:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16761; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16747; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:05:59 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-291.gate.net [199.227.131.100]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA146410; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: <38D71125.D3AD0DF2@gate.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:05:25 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad list Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? References: <20000316052505.613A74053@smtp03.mail.gol.com> <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <38D66CB1.B0457D05@gate.net> <003501bf92c9$99bac820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, i know.. and they also say a lot of things that are now not true.. what was so, then, is not so, now.. :-) David Ross wrote: > "most of the IBM adapters work on most thinkpads.. > round plug on round plug machines and 4 wire on 4 wire machines.." > > This is what I'd gathered from previous discussions on this NG, but I > was taken aback by > the IBM website, where they say: " Family: ThinkPad 560 Model: 264010U > Power, AC Adapter" > and only list the 02K6545, with the footnote: "18. Supports ThinkPad > 560X/Z models only." > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Mar 21 04:22:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14298 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:22:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27661; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:18:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27190; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27176; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:18:35 -0500 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16819; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:17:11 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04845; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:16:39 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 9:18:46 +0000 To: David Ross , Serenella Ciongoli Cc: Jake Holmen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA14299 Good suggestions but you still need to run TCP/IP between the two machines, which means also configuring a slip or ppp connection (or getting ethernet). Not impossible though. You could always try 'floppy-net', runs at about 100kB/s, and uses 1.44 MB packets. Both Linux and W95 are compatible. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux Author: MIME:Serenella Ciongoli at INTERNET Date: 3/21/00 12:18 AM RedHat comes with Samba already pre-compiled, only need to make sure it is selected during the install. Samba, though, only allows MS OSes to access Unix file systems, not the viceversa. To mount W95 (and WfW and NT) shares on Linux, you can use smbfs (public domain) or similar commercial products. RedHat is predisposed to run smbfs, but you need to make sure the kernel you use has the appropriate drivers activated. There is an HOWTO about it, or do a search on the 'Net. Serenella Ciongoli On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:53:48PM -1000, David Ross wrote: > You need SAMBA (which is essentially a Unix device driver for the W95 > file system). I've > never installed this myself (I considered it for a Solaris system, but > didn't have enough sysadmin access to install it) but there is an active > Usenet group as well as lots of stuff elsewhere > on the internet (search for SAMBA). There might even be a Linux Howto > somewhere. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jake Holmen" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:46 PM > Subject: PLIP software for W95 to connect with Linux > > > Hi all. > > Has anyone successfully connected a Linux box with a W95 box so that > Linux > can read all the W95 Hard drive? > > I can mount a hard drive in linux as long as it's on the same computer, > but > I need to network the two. > Currently I own a Laplink cable. > > I can boot both into W95 and use Direct Cable Connect, but it's time > consuming to reboot all the time when all I want is to install a file > into > Linux. > > Comments would be appreciated. > > Cheers > J > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- Serenella Ciongoli Staff Design Assurance Engineer Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale, CA czs00@amdahl.com - ICQ#43902395 ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Tue Mar 21 06:58:52 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA14984 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:58:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08101; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:56:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07932; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07916; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:56:12 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-3.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.3]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26813 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:56:05 +0200 Message-Id: <200003211156.NAA26813@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:25:08 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600E: Easy-Setup question (icons greyed out) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm wondering why the following icons are greyed out in Easy-Setup on my TP600E: Config-Network, Config-Initialize, Password, Startup. Does anyone know how I can enable them? I have applied the latest BIOS and there are no passwords set up for this machine. Thanks, Dominique From cph Tue Mar 21 07:43:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA15168 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:43:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10115; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:40:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09924; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09870; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> ds-img-6.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:39:14 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id HAA22638 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:39:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:38:01 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003210738_MC2-9DF3-DDC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA15169 I do have 1.44 floppy units in UK for UKPounds 35.00 +pp... Mark ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Ray Bay, INTERNET:canyonlands@theriver.com TO: (unknown), INTERNET:aballard@ix.netcom.com CC: thinkpad, INTERNET:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mark Bell, INTERNET:bytehead@bellatlantic.net DATE: 20/03/2000 17:48 RE: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL Some of the 760XL's had a lot of defective floppy drives... I exchanged floppy drives with EZServe and never had a nuther problem... but it sounds as if this may be a hard drive problem... Take your floppy drive out, and replace it with the CD ROM unit... If the hard drive still wont boot with the cD ROM unit installed, it is the hard drive... do you have any utility disks such as Norton? Some 760's had a 3 year warranty if you bought them from IBM or certain dealers... Doesn't hurt to call EZ Serve... or IBM... one of them can tell you if it is under warrantee because you registered it properly... if you did not register it, you must have the original receipt, then they will tell you whether it is under warranty or not... sometimes it only takes $30 to $50 or $75 depending on new or used and where... to exchange the floppy drive... Still you could probably fix it yourself if it is a hard drive, except you probably want all that stinking old data... and you didn't back up, Right? Good luck. aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Help! > > This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > > Namely, it won't boot. > > It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. > > F1 generates I9990305 > At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. > > I have tried removing the floppy, and have gone into setup where thes unit passes all tests. > > I reinitialized. > > What could this be? > > Is the unit (97/07) still under warrenty? > > Who to call about a repair? > > This is a production machine, and I am about to jump. > > any help would be appreciated, particularly phone numbers > of whoever in IBM I should call. > > thanks again. > > Allan Ballard ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id MAA15953 for <100550.3170@compuserve.com>; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23408; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23082; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23068; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:44:42 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a5.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.21]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD9225DCA; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:43:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38D5D7BD.480660B3@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:48:13 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aballard@ix.netcom.com Cc: Mark Bell , thinkpad Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: From cph Tue Mar 21 12:24:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17011 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:24:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29806; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:21:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29608; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29590; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:21:24 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax23.vramp.net [198.138.8.86]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA52017; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:20:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: battery? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003181156.GAA02558@CS.UTK.EDU> List-Unsubscribe: I didn't see any responses to this other than David's suggestion as to where to buy one. sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] wrote: > The battery that my 600E uses lasts for about 2 hours and 45 minutes. > And i'd like to get a second battery for backup. > > Could someone please explain to be the different kinds that exist? Do > i have to remove my cdrom drive to use a second battery? Or can i fit > a second battery in some other way? Yes, the auxiliary battery resides in the Ultrabay, so you have to remove your CD/DVD/Floppy drive. Regards, James From cph Tue Mar 21 13:03:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17253 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:03:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02936; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02762; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02746; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003211801.NAA02746@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:20 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri18.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.243]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYS6; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:01:09 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "James H. E. Maugham" Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:07:10 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: battery? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA02936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA17254 On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:26:24 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Yes, the auxiliary battery resides in the Ultrabay, so you have to remove your >CD/DVD/Floppy drive. Oh thats bad. Is there an external Ultrabay that can hold my CDROM while i use the second battery? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Mar 21 13:20:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17395 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:20:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04393; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:19:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04300; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04287; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200003211819.NAA04287@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (206.81.128.1 -> slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:19:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 20257 invoked by alias); 21 Mar 2000 18:19:16 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 20240 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 2000 18:19:15 -0000 Received: from adialup113.slkc.uswest.net (HELO mellor) (209.181.85.113) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 18:19:15 -0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: all thumbs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to install win95 on a 730t hard drive, using a host machine......the problem is the host machine is running win98 and it gives me and error that win98 is on the machine and don't mess with it......... I have tried to work from dos but no luck. I sure could use some help.. Thank ya'll Don From cph Tue Mar 21 13:56:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17649 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:56:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07318; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:55:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07234; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07215; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:55:18 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-34.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.34]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17401 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:55:16 +0200 Message-Id: <200003211855.UAA17401@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:55:15 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003211801.NAA02746@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: RE: battery? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 at 06:07 PM you, "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , said: >Oh thats bad. Is there an external Ultrabay that can hold my CDROM while >i use the second battery? There's something I don't understand: you presumably want to use a 2nd battery when you're on the move (ie. in a place with no access to AC, like in a plane etc.); would you really want to use a CDROM drive then? if so, you could use an external CDROM drive with a PCMCIA adapter. For instance, I have a Panasonic CDROM drive that I'm using together with an Adaptec 1460 PCMCIA SCSI adapter (I'm using it with other ThinkPads, like the 701 and the 560). My external CDROM drive has an AC adapter, but it's also possible to use it with batteries (though I've never done it). AFAIK, there's no "external UltraBay" that would hold your CDROM drive, so buying a separate external drive (and adapter) would be your only option. Dominique From cph Tue Mar 21 14:07:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17711 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:07:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08475; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:06:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08398; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08385; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:06:43 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.236]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290325D24; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:06:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386EAC38.4C46F4A@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:39:04 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman Subject: Re: UltraSlim Bay battery for TP600E References: <4.2.1.20000318180601.04dd2d30@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: But never, never, never order something from them that is on back order... If they don't have it in stock, don't let them have your credit card number... as they take forever on backorders, and often charge your card the day they get it... at least in my experience David Goldman wrote: > > At 05:05 PM 3/18/2000 , James wrote: > >Does anyone know any place to buy a ultraslim bay battery for TP600E at a > >good price? > > One place to look for low prices on **ANY** computer hardware/software > would be to visit: > > http://www.shopper.com > > Good luck. > > -- > David Goldman From cph Tue Mar 21 14:08:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17745 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08890; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08813; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08800; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:29 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.236]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468DD25D80; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:08:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386EACA3.24AF26E1@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:40:51 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Cc: "'Steve Hultquist '" , "'Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail) '" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks References: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DC7@exch1.smh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Good luck. I had terrible trouble with my sony Picturebook and eventually persuaded the vendor to take it back as a lemon item. "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" wrote: > > I've got the Sony PictureBook. Screen is "sport model XGA": 1024 x 480. It > is INCREDIBLY sharp and clear. I've run DVDs through it via the PCcard port > and the sharpness is phenomenal. Its width and depth are the size of the > keyboard. and it's an inch or so thick. A great travel machine. With the > optional battery ($300!!) figure 3 hours or so of use. ymmv. This is the > Pentium 266 machine. Sony's new PictureBook is a Pentium II 400 and the > specs on that look awesome. > > Regards, > > Neil > > Thinkpad 770ED, 600, 701 > Sony PictureBook C1X > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hultquist > To: Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail) > Sent: 3/20/00 4:10 PM > Subject: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks > > I have heard a rumor that the 240's battery life is only about 45 > minutes. Is that really true? Also, any of you seen a small computer > with one of the unusual high-resolution screen aspect ratios (like > 1024x600)? I have a couple of people in the office who are looking for > machines to use on planes without having them crushed when the person in > front leans back. Suggestions? > > ssh From cph Tue Mar 21 14:10:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17772 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:10:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09274; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:10:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09194; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09181; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:09:59 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA18991 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:09:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:40 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: What are you using Linux for?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003211409_MC2-9E07-9311@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA17773 I have a full version of Corel Linux with WP 8.0 on a cover CD and was thinking of installing it on a native HDD for my 755CX. But I was astonished to read that the full install takes up 370Mb of HDD space...! If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? Cheers for any thoughts Mark From cph Tue Mar 21 14:15:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17814 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:15:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10222; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10145; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10132; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.134 -> ds-img-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:27 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA28112 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:14:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:13:38 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 6.4Gb HDD ceiling Q...? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003211414_MC2-9E07-9396@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA17816 I know that some Tpads (mine in particular) will only identify a maximum size HDD of 6.4Gb with the latest BIOS. But what happens if you put a larger drive in? I am looking to acquire an 8.1Gb drive for my 755CX at a *very* competitive price and am happy to end up using just 6.4Gb of it ...would this be the case??? Thanks all for your experience... Mark From cph Tue Mar 21 14:19:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17834 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10948; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10841; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10821; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:42 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.68]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA34668 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000321141845.008943c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:45 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks In-Reply-To: <386EACA3.24AF26E1@theriver.com> References: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DC7@exch1.smh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I find it interesting that I have heard both praise and damnation for exactly this notebook around where I am. It seems to be a wonderful product, IF they made the one you get correctly. Something to remember I suppose, if you order one. --STeve Andre' At 06:40 PM 1/1/2000 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >Good luck. I had terrible trouble with my sony Picturebook and >eventually persuaded the vendor to take it back as a lemon item. > >"Dr. Cornelius Halvey" wrote: >> >> I've got the Sony PictureBook. Screen is "sport model XGA": 1024 x 480. It >> is INCREDIBLY sharp and clear. I've run DVDs through it via the PCcard port >> and the sharpness is phenomenal. Its width and depth are the size of the >> keyboard. and it's an inch or so thick. A great travel machine. With the >> optional battery ($300!!) figure 3 hours or so of use. ymmv. This is the >> Pentium 266 machine. Sony's new PictureBook is a Pentium II 400 and the >> specs on that look awesome. >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil From cph Tue Mar 21 14:19:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17838 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11105; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10984; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10962; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:18:58 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial31.auto-net.com [208.154.252.80]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03560 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:05:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38D77662.47CBC645@iso.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:17:23 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: all thumbs References: <200003211819.NAA04287@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Here is a repeat of a message to someone else. No one tol' us but it ain't easy. First, go to and you will have all the info you need. I installed 95 from a Thinkpad 755C in a docking station II w/ a CD-ROM. But when setup said restart, I put it in the 730T and it worked. Then, using Win 98 Drivespace (yes 98 - many of the 98 programs work in 95) I compressed the drive and then put the 95 setup files on it just to tweak the settings. But you will have your own story when you are done. Bill dlillie@uswest.net wrote: > I am trying to install win95 on a 730t hard drive, using a host > machine......the problem is the host machine is running win98 and > it gives me and error that win98 is on the machine and don't mess > with it......... I have tried to work from dos but no luck. I sure could > use some help.. > Thank ya'll > Don From cph Tue Mar 21 14:29:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17915 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:29:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12220; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12123; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12109; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:24 -0500 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28010; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? In-Reply-To: <200003211409_MC2-9E07-9311@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Mark Gardiner wrote: > I have a full version of Corel Linux with WP 8.0 on a cover CD and was > thinking of installing it on a native HDD for my 755CX. But I was > astonished to read that the full install takes up 370Mb of HDD space...! > > If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I > can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? Well... - stability - Apache - best-use of resources - FTP server - network troubleshooting workstation - etc. I am a PC admin for Cisco Systems, and I support Windows 95 and NT -- but do I run either? Nope. Linux on my desktop, Linux on my notebooks, because it does what I want it to do. This, of course, may very well *not* be the case for you, in which case, go with '95/'98/Millenium/2000 or whatever your favorite Microsoft flavor of the month is. Certainly MS currently has more games, and more applications, but when it comes to stability, and the ability to run on fewer resources, well, Linux wins (IMHO) hands-down. Mind you, this is my experience, and I might be considered an old hand in Linux realms, and therefore somewhat biased. Which is no doubt true to at least an extent. But I've also used Windows since 1.0 (came bundled with a 2MB Intel AboveBoard RAM expansion card), and like to think I know it pretty darn well -- and would *never* go back to MS. It doesn't have the abilities to do what I want, and most stuff that comes standard with Linux costs $$$(!) to get with MS. My $.02 worth... -Ken > > Cheers for any thoughts > > Mark > > From cph Tue Mar 21 14:55:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18129 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14589; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14500; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14481; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:03 -0500 Received: from andres (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.68]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA79592 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000321145503.00894990@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:55:03 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? In-Reply-To: <200003211409_MC2-9E07-9311@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You can install a more minimal set of WP 8 in far less than 370M. I've done it in something like 155+M, I think, last time I needed to do that. The operating system is really just the vehicle that all your needs ride atop of. There isn't anything per se that Linux can do that W9X can't do, but if you run Linux or any of the other Open Source BSD type UNIX's, (OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD) you'll encounter an entirely different world where things are nearly always more stable, most things are free, and is a community that fosters actual functionality in software, as opposed to the useless glitz that MS surrounds Windows with. Remember that the former head of Revlon is at MS now, or was last time I checked. If a computer is a only a tool to do things, then a better case can be made for sticking with Windows. If you want to learn more about your computer however, and like trying new things, then the Open Source world is a great place to be. If you are running server types of things, the Open Source world is really much better. I'll also point out that any of the "alternative" operating systems use FAR less resources than any MS product does, such that a little modest 486 DX2/66 system can actually do things in 16M of ram, which you just can't say for Windows. --STeve Andre' At 02:08 PM 3/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I have a full version of Corel Linux with WP 8.0 on a cover CD and was >thinking of installing it on a native HDD for my 755CX. But I was >astonished to read that the full install takes up 370Mb of HDD space...! > >If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I >can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? > >Cheers for any thoughts > >Mark > > From cph Tue Mar 21 15:04:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18217 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:04:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15500; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:03:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15308; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15257; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.129 -> web121.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:03:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 15710 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2000 20:02:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000321200259.15709.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web121.yahoomail.com; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:02:59 PST Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: battery? To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA15500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA18218 You can pick up an old external SCSI drive pretty cheap at computer swap meets. An NEC Multispin 3Xp which runs on 12 volts should work. Don't get an even older NEC Intersect drive. They are plentiful at swap meets but only work on Apples. At least I've never got one to work on a PC. --- "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:26:24 -0500, James H. E. > Maugham wrote: > > >Yes, the auxiliary battery resides in the Ultrabay, > so you have to remove your > >CD/DVD/Floppy drive. > > Oh thats bad. Is there an external Ultrabay that can > hold my CDROM while i use > the second battery? > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue Mar 21 15:08:57 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18253 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16033; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15902; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15865; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:13 -0500 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA15241 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005201bf9371$2ee350a0$73443589@ohsu.edu> Reply-To: "AC Brown" From: "AC Brown" To: "thinkpad" References: <200003211801.NAA02746@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: battery? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:52:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: If you absolutely need a cdrom and an extra battery, you might consider the TP 570 with an UltraBase. The UltraBase has two slots. One slot takes an UltraslimBay drive (cdrom, dvd drive, etc.) and the other takes a diskette drive or secondary battery. AC Brown > >Yes, the auxiliary battery resides in the Ultrabay, so you have to remove your > >CD/DVD/Floppy drive. > > Oh thats bad. Is there an external Ultrabay that can hold my CDROM while i use > the second battery? From cph Tue Mar 21 15:09:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18259 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:09:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16194; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16099; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16052; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:38 -0500 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF201F5BCC8@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:05:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: It has worked well and reliably in my hands. I think it needs the additional 64mB of RAM if you want to run the multimedia apps. For a while I was having shutdown problems, but initializing the motherboard at bootup cured this. I tried updating to W98 2nd Edition but had problems with the USB fdd and uninstalled it. I've got a Digital8 handycam. When you connect a firewire cable between it and the PictureBook, you get one cool and compact little monitor. Neat little machine. Also, just for the heck of it, I installed Win2k on the PictureBook. No problems there, either. YMMV Regards, Neil -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:19 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 240, plane notebooks I find it interesting that I have heard both praise and damnation for exactly this notebook around where I am. It seems to be a wonderful product, IF they made the one you get correctly. Something to remember I suppose, if you order one. --STeve Andre' At 06:40 PM 1/1/2000 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >Good luck. I had terrible trouble with my sony Picturebook and >eventually persuaded the vendor to take it back as a lemon item. > >"Dr. Cornelius Halvey" wrote: >> >> I've got the Sony PictureBook. Screen is "sport model XGA": 1024 x 480. It >> is INCREDIBLY sharp and clear. I've run DVDs through it via the PCcard port >> and the sharpness is phenomenal. Its width and depth are the size of the >> keyboard. and it's an inch or so thick. A great travel machine. With the >> optional battery ($300!!) figure 3 hours or so of use. ymmv. This is the >> Pentium 266 machine. Sony's new PictureBook is a Pentium II 400 and the >> specs on that look awesome. >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil From cph Tue Mar 21 15:57:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18590 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:57:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19956; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19839; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19798; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:02 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax23.vramp.net [198.138.8.86]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA65861; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:54:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Subject: RE: 6.4Gb HDD ceiling Q...? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003211414_MC2-9E07-9396@compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] wrote: > I am looking to acquire an 8.1Gb drive for my 755CX at a *very* competitive > price and am happy to end up using just 6.4Gb of it ...would this be the > case??? IF (make note of the big if!) the drive is recognized, you might be able to access 6.4GB of it, but there is a possibility that the drive configuration (SHD) would wind up giving you access to only half (4GB) of the drive. This is all dependent on what drive configs are in the BIOS. Were I you in this situation, I'd use Disk Manager to setup the drive in this system. You can download it from both the IBM and Ontrack websites, or if you'd prefer, I could send you a copy. I have about 50 of them around after upgrading some desktops systems for a client and all of the new IBM HDs we bought came with a copy in the box. Regards, James Currently playing Dr. Evil's favorite band. The Alan Parsons Project! From cph Tue Mar 21 16:28:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18842 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:28:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22608; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:27:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22470; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22455; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:27:19 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-292.gate.net [199.227.131.101]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22392; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:26:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38D7E926.19030DD5@gate.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:27:03 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: 6.4Gb HDD ceiling Q...? References: <200003211414_MC2-9E07-9396@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: SOME vendors (not me, not apricorn) are offering drives up to 18gig and 25gig for early machines.. (75x, 76x, et al).. how this is accomplished, i do not know.. i tried a large drive in a 760CD and ED and all i hot was non boot.. easy setup saw the drive and tested it, but the drive will inhibit any bootup while it is in the system.. the last time i looked at the pinout of the IDE interface it was unchanged.. there may be a newer IDE with these newer, high capacity HDD's but i have yet to learn of any difference.. beyond that, one or more of the signals may have been changed, so that the drive, while in the buss, won't allow any boot.. (miscommunication with the host, obviously) Mark Gardiner wrote: > I know that some Tpads (mine in particular) will only identify a maximum > size HDD of 6.4Gb with the latest BIOS. > But what happens if you put a larger drive in? > > I am looking to acquire an 8.1Gb drive for my 755CX at a *very* competitive > price and am happy to end up using just 6.4Gb of it ...would this be the > case??? > > Thanks all for your experience... > > Mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Mar 21 19:23:36 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20094 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03329; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:20:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03088; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03073; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:20:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003220020.TAA03073@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:20:22 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri00.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.225]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYV2; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:19:59 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:25:11 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200003211409_MC2-9E07-9311@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id TAA03329 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA20095 On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:40 -0500, Mark Gardiner wrote: >If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I >can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? Many others have answered to your question with sensible responces, so i am not going to say anything new. If you install Linux, you get a REAL operating system, unlike Winshit. What do i mean by REAL operating system? well you'll have to use it to see for your self. I've been running OS/2 and Linux systems for many years and there is no way to describe how a real operating system is like. To give you one example, 3 months of uptime is a bare minimum for an average OS/2 or Linux system. Something that you dont see with Winshit very often. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Tue Mar 21 19:24:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20101 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:24:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03509; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03372; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03357; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003220023.TAA03357@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:23:42 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri00.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.225]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYV3; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:39 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:29:45 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: UltraSlimBay List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id TAA03509 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA20102 I don't see why there are no External UltraSlimBays. It sounds ridiculus to buy a second cdrom so i can use a second battery!! þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Epitixies97-Trellainomai.mp3" (0:20/3:58) From cph Tue Mar 21 19:38:10 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20160 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04744; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:37:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04644; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04625; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:37:31 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.206.6 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:37:28 -0800 Message-ID: <003201bf9396$7c3838a0$06ce1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Swapping displays Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:35:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TFT for my 560 coming, any help/advice/instructions on how to change them? I've removed and replaced about everything on my 560 but the display. ANY help would be appreciated. Thanks Brad S. Burean Boogerware International Inc. Life is a Lemon, and we want our money back! From cph Tue Mar 21 19:38:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20165 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04973; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04840; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04828; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.8 -> imo18.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:15 -0500 Received: from Elipse748@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.9b.2d9b63a (4362) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b.2d9b63a.26096fec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:38:04 EST Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL To: thinkpad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 List-Unsubscribe: For a Floppy Disk Drive, Check out "Louie the Liquidator" at WWW.hitechcafe.com. 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Ed From cph Tue Mar 21 22:39:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20953 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:39:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14891; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14762; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14748; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:40 -0500 Received: from andres (port43.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.182]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA64542 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000321223739.009ca2f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:39 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Connecting two ThinkPads? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At the risk of being slightly off topic: I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't ping either machine, sigh. If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, --STeve Andre' From cph Tue Mar 21 23:41:10 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA21294 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:41:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19170; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:40:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19038; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18988; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:39:20 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax53.vramp.net [198.138.8.116]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA96042; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:39:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: Connecting two ThinkPads? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000321223739.009ca2f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: The Microsoft Knowledge Base has very specific instructions to configure, troubleshoot, and use Direct Cable Connection (DCC). http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.asp Here are some of the DCC links from the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Configure computers to use Direct Cable Connection (DCC): http://support.microsoft.com/support/serviceware/windows/Win95/33BKKC22.ASP How to: Set up a direct cable connection between a portable and a stationary PC: http://support.microsoft.com/support/serviceware/windows/Win95/E9J2H6TV9.ASP Unable to Connect Using DCC (between Win95 and Win98 computers): http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q188/1/67.ASP Cannot Find Host Computer Using Direct Cable Connection: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q159/5/78.asp Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:38 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Connecting two ThinkPads? > > > At the risk of being slightly off topic: > > I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with > each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have > never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. > > So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't > ping either machine, sigh. > > If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd > appreciate it very much. > > Thanks, --STeve Andre' > > From cph Wed Mar 22 00:13:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA21457 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:13:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20701; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:11:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20564; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20551; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:11:57 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-30.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.30]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA06460; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:11:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000322001637.013af100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:16:37 -0800 To: "STeve Andre'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Connecting two ThinkPads? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000321223739.009ca2f0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:37 PM 03/21/2000 -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: >At the risk of being slightly off topic: > >I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with >each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have >never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. > >So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't >ping either machine, sigh. > >If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd >appreciate it very much. Steve, If they are connected directly to each other without a hub, make sure you are using a crossover cable. If you've got a hub, use it if it's already in place. Make sure both machines have IPX/SPX or NetBEUI on them. It is the easiest, simplist way without the need for TCP/IP* addresses or configuration. Under Network Configuration: Set the systems to Client for Microsoft Network (I prefer it!). Set a good SystemName. Set each machine to the same workgroup. Set each machine for Quick Logon vs. Logon and Restore Network Connections. Set you file and printer sharing on each machine. Reboot Share the HDs/volumes/folders/files as you see fit. Sometimes, give Windows a minute or two to recognize the connection If you can't see it under Network Neighborhood, physically try to connect to the remote system. Start->Run->\\SystemName\Volume *If you don't have a DHCP device AND you need TCP/IP Make sure to specify an address (192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 Internal C) Specify a subnet (255.255.255.0 works for these isolated machines) You can specify a DNS Server and Gateway if you want, but it isn't required. You can check the machines with their physical addresses (start->run->\\192.168.1.1\volume), but unless you absolutely NEED TCP/IP for this task, I recommend the shorter, sweeter simple approach with NetBEUI or IPX/SPX (in that order). For the record, I use a Toshiba TR-650 ISDN Router for all my DHCP/NAT work. If I am setting up small companies that require Internet access for less than 10 machines at non concurrent times, I get 'em ISDN, a TR-650, an appropriate account and let it rip. If they grow, I move them to NTServer and a fractional or full T1 and Cisco (Love 'em!) for good client/server management and a much bigger Internet pipe....but YMMV. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 22 00:21:58 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA21519 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21382; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21305; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21292; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:21:28 -0500 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.41.208]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000322045526.XDKX26015.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:55:26 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bf93d4$6451de60$d0294f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <3.0.6.32.20000321223739.009ca2f0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Connecting two ThinkPads? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:58:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: If you have an 10BaseT ethernet card in each notebook you can connect them directly with a twisted pair "crossover cable" without using a hub, most stores that carry network media will have this type of cable. A standard twisted pair cable won't work without a hub. If you want to see a diagram of a crossover cable, do a web search for "ethernet crossover cable". jim ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Connecting two ThinkPads? > At the risk of being slightly off topic: > > I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with > each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have > never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. > > So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't > ping either machine, sigh. > > If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd > appreciate it very much. > > Thanks, --STeve Andre' > From cph Wed Mar 22 01:07:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21714 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:07:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23355; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:05:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23231; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23216; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:05:01 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.16.136]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000322034711.EIPX24417.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:47:11 +0000 Message-ID: <38D8422D.C6B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:46:53 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Connecting two ThinkPads? References: <3.0.6.32.20000321223739.009ca2f0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need either a hub, or a crossover cable. You can't just hook two 10BaseT cables together - that won't work. STeve Andre' wrote: > > At the risk of being slightly off topic: > > I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with > each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have > never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. > > So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't > ping either machine, sigh. > > If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd > appreciate it very much. > > Thanks, --STeve Andre' From cph Wed Mar 22 03:01:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA22148 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:01:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28029; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:59:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27797; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27784; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:59:21 -0500 Received: from dante08.u.washington.edu (williams@dante08.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.10]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id XAA43360 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:59:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante08.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA42178 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:59:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Williams" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video Capture / Screen Capture with 770ED DVD In-Reply-To: <200003220023.TAA03357@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Can one capture video or video snapshots (stills) from the DVD using a 770ED? What software is required? Is the Asymetrix software a good solution? Any better software? Thanks, John From cph Wed Mar 22 04:43:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA22591 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:43:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06228; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:42:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06111; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06095; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:42:30 -0500 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00034; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:42:23 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27859; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:41:52 GMT Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 9:43:59 +0000 To: "STeve Andre'" , Bruce Markowitz Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Connecting two ThinkPads? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA22592 Alternatively it might be coax. In which case you need to arrange the wiring so that a) there is 2 meters of more cable between the nodes. b) each node consists of a 50ohm T piece c) into which you plug one end of the cable, a thinkpad, and a 50ohm terminator. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Connecting two ThinkPads? Author: MIME:Bruce Markowitz at INTERNET Date: 3/22/00 6:13 AM You need either a hub, or a crossover cable. You can't just hook two 10BaseT cables together - that won't work. STeve Andre' wrote: > > At the risk of being slightly off topic: > > I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with > each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have > never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. > > So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. I can't > ping either machine, sigh. > > If anyone can tell me how to do this, or point me to a URL on this, I'd > appreciate it very much. > > Thanks, --STeve Andre' ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Mar 22 05:55:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA22881 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:55:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13485; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:54:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13359; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13345; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:54:23 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-16.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.16]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA10096; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:47:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000322055248.013ad750@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:52:48 -0800 To: Adam Quantrill , "STeve Andre'" , Bruce Markowitz From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Re[2]: Connecting two ThinkPads? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If this is the case, and you still haven't purchased the appropriate parts (Two T's, Two 50ohm load resistors for each T), chuck it and goto your local computer store and get a crossover cable! :) If it is the case you want to run Coaxial cabling, go down to your local Radio Shack, dash in QUICKLY before the salesman can jump all over you and snatch the T's and resistors and get out of there ASAP! If you need the coaxial cable, they sell those too.... ....actually, I like Radio Shack. It isn't that bad. I worked there for 2yrs when I was straight out of HS and in College. Mark At 09:43 AM 03/22/2000 +0000, Adam Quantrill wrote: >Alternatively it might be coax. In which case you need to arrange the wiring so that > >a) there is 2 meters of more cable between the nodes. >b) each node consists of a 50ohm T piece >c) into which you plug one end of the cable, a thinkpad, and a 50ohm terminator. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Connecting two ThinkPads? >Author: MIME:Bruce Markowitz at INTERNET >Date: 3/22/00 6:13 AM > > >You need either a hub, or a crossover cable. You can't just hook two 10BaseT cables together - that won't work. > >STeve Andre' wrote: >> > At the risk of being slightly off topic: >> > I have two ThinkPads. I want the two of them to be able to talk with > each other via ethernet. In all the networking stuff I've done, I have > never just connected two Windows machines together in this way. >> > So far, I've not been able to get them to talk with each other. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 22 08:27:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23691 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:27:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20667; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:26:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20524; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20508; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200003221326.IAA20508@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (206.81.128.1 -> slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:26:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 10868 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 13:26:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 10858 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 13:26:10 -0000 Received: from adialup66.slkc.uswest.net (HELO mellor) (209.181.85.66) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 13:26:10 -0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:20:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: thanks for the help (one more ?) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: I would like to thank people who gave me advice. The world has one more resurrected 730t. The question is how do i switch the screen from portrait to landscape. From cph Wed Mar 22 08:47:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23805 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21965; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21876; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21863; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:01 -0500 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05676 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port40.magma.ca [209.217.123.40]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12984 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:46:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003221346.IAA12984@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:45:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:29:45 +0000 (GMT), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >I don't see why there are no External UltraSlimBays. It >sounds ridiculus to buy a second cdrom so i can use a >second battery!! I guess there are two comments here. One is that most people, if they're in a position where they're trying to go as long as possible on batteries, will probably not use the CD-ROM. Secondly, on my original TP600, a battery isn't an option for the UltraSlimBay. So when I want to switch batteries, I hibernate (I think that's it, write the RAM to HD anyway), put a new battery in the _battery_ compartment, and boot back up. I'm not using a CD-ROM probably, more likely I have a second HD in the UltraSlimBay. This might work for you. May I ask what your application is, that requires two batteries, a CD-ROM, _and_ precludes shutting down for two minutes to change batteries? andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Mar 22 08:54:29 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23834 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22674; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22597; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22584; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003221354.IAA22584@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:54:14 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri05.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.230]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMYZK; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:54:11 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" , "Andrew Webber" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200003221346.IAA12984@mail3.magma.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id IAA22674 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA23835 On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:45:04 -0500, Andrew Webber wrote: >Secondly, on my original TP600, a battery isn't an option for the >UltraSlimBay. So when I want to switch batteries, I hibernate (I >think that's it, write the RAM to HD anyway), put a new battery in >the _battery_ compartment, and boot back up. I'm not using a >CD-ROM probably, more likely I have a second HD in the >UltraSlimBay. This might work for you. >May I ask what your application is, that requires two batteries, a >CD-ROM, _and_ precludes shutting down for two minutes to change >batteries? I didn't describe my problem very well. Last time i took out my regular battery it reset all my hardware settings of the BIOS. For example i had DMA1 and DMA3 on the sound chipset, and DMA0 to InfraRed. After i took the battery out and put it back in, all thouse settings had reset back to the original order. And in the original order the sound didn't work. So every time i swap batteries, i'll have to reconfigure all the hardware settings. Although someone emailed me and told me that hibernation will hold my hardware settings. I havent tested this yet, but i'll give it a try some time soon. And i specificly need the cdrom because i have a lot of data zipped in many CD's which i use to do what i need. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "ainte stin igia sas-voskopoulos.mp3" (2:12/3:17) From cph Wed Mar 22 09:38:13 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24065 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:38:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25155; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:37:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25068; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25030; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:37:10 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:42:04 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S.'" , thinkpad , Andrew Webber Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:41:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA24066 I think you might have a problem with the *Other* battery in your machine. According to what I was reading on IBM's web site, there is a small battery in the machine for storing various configuration information. A call to IBM Support might confirm this or prove that I'm completely wrong. But, I think it would be worth the call. Greg -----Original Message----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:00 AM To: thinkpad; Andrew Webber Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:45:04 -0500, Andrew Webber wrote: >Secondly, on my original TP600, a battery isn't an option for the >UltraSlimBay. So when I want to switch batteries, I hibernate (I >think that's it, write the RAM to HD anyway), put a new battery in >the _battery_ compartment, and boot back up. I'm not using a >CD-ROM probably, more likely I have a second HD in the >UltraSlimBay. This might work for you. >May I ask what your application is, that requires two batteries, a >CD-ROM, _and_ precludes shutting down for two minutes to change >batteries? I didn't describe my problem very well. Last time i took out my regular battery it reset all my hardware settings of the BIOS. For example i had DMA1 and DMA3 on the sound chipset, and DMA0 to InfraRed. After i took the battery out and put it back in, all thouse settings had reset back to the original order. And in the original order the sound didn't work. So every time i swap batteries, i'll have to reconfigure all the hardware settings. Although someone emailed me and told me that hibernation will hold my hardware settings. I havent tested this yet, but i'll give it a try some time soon. And i specificly need the cdrom because i have a lot of data zipped in many CD's which i use to do what i need. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "ainte stin igia sas-voskopoulos.mp3" (2:12/3:17) From cph Wed Mar 22 10:44:24 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24461 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:44:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29525; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:43:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29392; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29373; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:42:57 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax53.vramp.net [198.138.8.116]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19981; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:42:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" , "Andrew Webber" Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200003221354.IAA22584@CS.UTK.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] wrote: > I didn't describe my problem very well. > > Last time i took out my regular battery it reset all my hardware > settings of the > BIOS. For example i had DMA1 and DMA3 on the sound chipset, and DMA0 > to InfraRed. After i took the battery out and put it back in, all > thouse settings had > reset back to the original order. And in the original order the sound > didn't work. > > So every time i swap batteries, i'll have to reconfigure all the > hardware settings. > > Although someone emailed me and told me that hibernation will hold my > hardware settings. I havent tested this yet, but i'll give it a try > some time soon. You've got a bigger problem than needing an additional ultrabay. Removing the primary battery should NOT affect your BIOS settings in any way. Your CMOS (backup) battery is dead or defective! This is the battery that provides power to the BIOS and maintains your settings. The part number is 02K6502 and it's available online from IBM. Access is made via the DIMM cover. Regards, James From cph Wed Mar 22 10:53:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24534 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00492; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00391; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00377; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:22 -0500 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA02665; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA04319; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:53:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000322074710.00d1c440@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:48:42 -0800 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay In-Reply-To: <20000322082753.29272.qmail@mx04.netaddress.usa.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000321172311.00d142b0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:33 AM 03/22/2000 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:25:15 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > To me, the sensible thing to do is to *not* buy the "Alternate" > >Battery, but rather a 2nd "Main" battery. That's a *lot* cheaper than > >buying an Alt. Battery and then a 2nd CD ROM drive. > > > > The tradeoff? You have to shut down to change batteries. But > >what's the big deal? A couple of minutes out of your life. Anyone who > >gets excited out of that likely needs a valium. > >Last time i took out my regular battery it reset all my hardware settings >of the >BIOS. For example i had DMA1 and DMA3 on the sound chipset, and DMA0 >to InfraRed. After i took the battery out and put it back in, all thouse >settings had >reset back to the original order. And in the original order the sound >didn't work. > >So every time i swap batteries, i'll have to reconfigre all the hardware >settings. >Which i don't want to do. In case you haven't figured it out already, there's something wrong with your machine. Perhaps something as simple as your BIOS Backup Battery (which retains all your BIOS settings when no power is flowing through the machine--battery, A/C, or otherwise). At any rate, barring a problem with your machine, none of the above should happen. From cph Wed Mar 22 12:17:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25130 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:17:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06509; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:16:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06327; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from kestrel.ais.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06294; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:16:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003221716.MAA06294@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from kestrel.ais.net (199.0.154.105) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:16:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 12570 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 17:16:00 -0000 Received: from as5-137.isdn.chi.execpc.com (HELO ?169.207.205.139?) (169.207.205.139) by kestrel.ais.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 17:16:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:15:55 -0600 Subject: subscribe From: "Ray Harriman" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: From cph Wed Mar 22 13:04:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25461 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:04:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10676; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:02:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10446; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10432; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:02:22 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA06050; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:02:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:02:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200003220023.TAA03357@CS.UTK.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > I don't see why there are no External UltraSlimBays. It sounds ridiculus > to buy a second cdrom so i can use a second battery!! There is such a thing; it's called the Portable Device Bay. It seems a bit steep at $195, but if you need it, it's there: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=37L1511&cntry=840&lang=en_US -Mike From cph Wed Mar 22 13:28:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25679 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:28:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12540; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:27:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12269; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12250; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:27:15 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-176.cisco.com [171.69.70.176]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA23795; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:27:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D91030.204C176D@ricochet.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:25:52 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There's some kind of adaptor/spacer that I can use to slap ultraslim bay devices into my ultrabay or are they just implying that it will work on my 770 via the pc card slot to let me use ultraslim bay devices?? [neat product none the less!] andy Michael Geary wrote: > > I don't see why there are no External UltraSlimBays. It sounds ridiculus > > to buy a second cdrom so i can use a second battery!! > > There is such a thing; it's called the Portable Device Bay. It seems a bit steep at $195, but if you need it, it's there: > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=37L1511&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > -Mike From cph Wed Mar 22 13:55:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25863 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:55:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14718; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14609; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14592; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:20 -0500 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01472 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port40.magma.ca [209.217.123.40]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05808 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003221854.NAA05808@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:52:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:18:40 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >uhh.. :-) > >how many do you want..?? >or >how many do you think you NEED..?? > >heheh... > >David Goldman wrote: > >> IBM (NYSE: IBM) said in a statement its 7,200 rpm Deskstar 75GXP drive >> for desktop computers held 75 gigabytes of data, more than 10 times >> the capacity of drives found in the average home personal computer. Bill, I'll definitely need at least one for my TP600 when they come out! Maybe two. Or three, if you can give me a good price on the external UltraSlimBay adapter and another HDD adapter. ;) Out of interest, what would this density translate into, for my 12.7mm? If it were 75gig for a 700 series TP, I'd say 54gig (the usual ratio, i.e. 25->18gig), but I don't know the size of a Deskstar. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Mar 22 15:05:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26386 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:05:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20700; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:03:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20415; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown-230-100.pilot.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20355; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown-230-100.pilot.net (206.98.230.100 -> unknown-230-100.pilot.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:02:12 -0500 Received: from unknown-239-165.pilot.net (unknown-239-165.pilot.net [206.189.239.165]) by unknown-230-100.pilot.net with ESMTP id PAA22848; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-165.pilot.net with ESMTP id PAA05992; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by nyschx06psge.ps.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <994E56089999D111843900A0C92A4466FD0243@nyschx09psge.sch.ge.com> To: sehh@altered.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA26387 Check out the IBM Portable Drive Bay - http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4BYJ5T.html General information The IBM Portable Drive Bay is designed for maximum flexibility and usability. It offers an UltraslimBay enclosure in an attractive portable package that can be attached to the ThinkPad PCMCIA slot via the included PC card. The UltraslimBay CD-ROM, DVD, Zip, SuperDisk (LS-120), and second hard disk drives (HDDs) can be easily inserted into the IBM Portable Drive Bay for use with most ThinkPads including the popular ThinkPad i series, 240, 390, 560, 570, 600, and 770 models. This item can be ordered from Insight (http://www.insight.com) for ~$228. (http://www.insight.com/cgi-bin/bp/1496579436/web/result.html?a=s&f=p&t=A&d= 37L1511&x=17&y=7) Aaron Schechter aaron.schechter@ps.ge.com -----Original Message----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 6:30 PM To: thinkpad Subject: UltraSlimBay I don't see why there are no External UltraSlimBays. It sounds ridiculus to buy a second cdrom so i can use a second battery!! þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "Epitixies97-Trellainomai.mp3" (0:20/3:58) From cph Wed Mar 22 15:31:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26643 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:31:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22614; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:30:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22498; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22484; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:29:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003222029.PAA22484@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:29:58 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri08.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.233]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMY62; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:29:51 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: crappy laptop List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id PAA22614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA26644 Thank you all for your comments, i guess my TP 600E may have a problem with the 'other' battery. I'll contact tech support in a month or so, since i'm going back to Greece, so i'll do it when i get back. I hope the laptop will work during my stay in Greece since i've got lots of work to do on it. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "DimitrisMitropanos-Anoiji.mp3" (3:09/4:18) From cph Wed Mar 22 15:41:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26785 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:41:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23780; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:40:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23648; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23634; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:40:48 -0500 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Xrvk-0001l5-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:40:40 +0000 Received: from [209.162.64.111] (helo=maxhome) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Xrvj-0004rW-00; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:40:39 +0000 Message-ID: <00be01bf943f$f0f805e0$4070fea9@maxhome> From: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" References: <200003211414_MC2-9E07-9396@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: 6.4Gb HDD ceiling Q...? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:46:31 -0800 Organization: Maximum Upgrades MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Mark, We haven't tried it yet, but another program offered at the IBM website looks promising as well. It's called "DriveGuide": http://service.boulder.ibm.com/storage/hddtech/dg-v10149.exe It also bypasses BIOS limitations when upgrading with an IBM HDD. Do NOT use it with Ontrack's DiskManager, however. Only use one, or the other. Best wishes, Douglas Hirsch Internet Support Maximum Upgrades tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 http://www.maxup.com djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: 6.4Gb HDD ceiling Q...? I know that some Tpads (mine in particular) will only identify a maximum size HDD of 6.4Gb with the latest BIOS. But what happens if you put a larger drive in? I am looking to acquire an 8.1Gb drive for my 755CX at a *very* competitive price and am happy to end up using just 6.4Gb of it ...would this be the case??? Thanks all for your experience... Mark From cph Wed Mar 22 16:03:47 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26993 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25926; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25838; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25825; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:11 -0500 Received: from user-37ka72v.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka72v.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.28.95]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09525 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:03:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003222103.QAA09525@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200003200018.TAA23043@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Win95 OSR2 + Win98 Drivers? List-Unsubscribe: I use Win95 OSR2 on my TP760XL. I picked up a neat digital/USB microscope written to install on Win98. Assuming my buddie can change the install key lines to accept OSR2, will the drivers work? Or snafu the system? Allan Ballard From cph Wed Mar 22 16:11:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27044 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:11:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27025; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:10:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26876; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26863; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:10:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e2MLAG508423 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:10:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770 with linux and xfree86 v4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I just upgraded to Xfree86 version 4 on my thinkpad 770ed with slackware 7 The good news is the video is much faster then v3.3.6, and I did have the accel option specified previously. The bad news is standby no longer works. If I hit Fcn+F3 the screen no longer blanks. A workaround is to drop the machine to console and then the screen will blank, if its left sitting with the LCD on though it will never turn itself off. This is a worthwhile upgrade because of the video speed increase but I'd really like to be able to power off the display as I never power off the entire machine, thoughts anyone? Steve btw version 4 compiles easily with slackware 7, nothing more then a "make World" is needed. From cph Wed Mar 22 16:33:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27273 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:33:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28540; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28394; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28380; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.165 -> f165.law8.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 27221 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 21:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322213215.27220.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:32:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "Jake Holmen" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: 100550.3170@compuserve.com Subject: What are you using Linux for?? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:32:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Mark - I am using Linux with Netscape and Star Office to be a bit of a W95 Replacement. So far I've had a few dramas, but it's quite ok if you get it working well. I currently have to reinstall due to a trashing of Hard Disk Partitions(my fault! ) If you want to know more about setting up linux on thinkpads - check out the mailing list (& homepage) associated with it: ----- The Linux ThinkPad mailing list ----- The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html hope this helps.. J From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Subject: What are you using Linux for?? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:40 -0500 I have a full version of Corel Linux with WP 8.0 on a cover CD and was thinking of installing it on a native HDD for my 755CX. But I was astonished to read that the full install takes up 370Mb of HDD space...! If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? Cheers for any thoughts Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Mar 22 16:41:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27376 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:41:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29533; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:41:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29456; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29442; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:41:00 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a34.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.98]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4DA25CDA; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:40:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <386EDDB2.255BE899@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:10:10 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 + Win98 Drivers? References: <200003222103.QAA09525@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It will work after you load all the new drivers from the IBM site. It takes a long time to download all of them. Allan Ballad wrote: > > I use Win95 OSR2 on my TP760XL. > > I picked up a neat digital/USB microscope > written to install on Win98. > > Assuming my buddie can change the install > key lines to accept OSR2, will the drivers > work? Or snafu the system? > > Allan Ballard From cph Wed Mar 22 16:46:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27415 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:46:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29955; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29805; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uscles504.amgreetings.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29779; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from uscles504.amgreetings.com (206.31.49.100) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:36 -0500 Received: by USCLES504 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <37F42EB53118D311B1A90008C7C9E7A54240DA@USDANS501.dan.amgreetings.com> From: "DK Donald Klapper (5407)" To: "'dlillie@uswest.net'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: thanks for the help (one more ?) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:42:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I was able to get the drivers and instructions from the following page. It is a very nice reference for the 730T's. http://www.basterfield.com/tp730/ -----Original Message----- From: dlillie@uswest.net [mailto:dlillie@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:20 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: thanks for the help (one more ?) I would like to thank people who gave me advice. The world has one more resurrected 730t. The question is how do i switch the screen from portrait to landscape. From cph Wed Mar 22 18:33:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28183 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:33:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07237; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07020; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06987; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 8626 invoked by uid 66); 22 Mar 2000 23:37:28 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Wed Mar 22 23:37:28 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1851BEB27; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:19:58 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200003220020.TAA03073@CS.UTK.EDU> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000322211958.1851BEB27@seneca.muc.de> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:19:58 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: > To give you one example, 3 months of uptime is a bare minimum for > an average OS/2 or Linux system. Something that you dont see with Winshit > very often. Reminds me of the running gag "is it true that Windows 95 crashes after exactly 49 days? - Dunno, nobody's been able to to run it that long to verify it yet.". Nuff said, let's not start the "my OS is better than your OS" flame war. The space required by your Linux install pretty much depends on what you want to do. Dunno the Corel WP thing but e.g. if you don't plan to compile stuff (including the kernel) you can omit the GNU C Compiler. YMMV. I for one have been rejecting all but Linux for nearly seven years now :-) -- Hark, Hark, the dogs do bark The Duke is fond of kittens He likes to take their insides out And use them for his mittens From "The Thirteen Clocks" From cph Wed Mar 22 18:33:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28187 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:33:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07207; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07001; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06975; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:32:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 8617 invoked by uid 66); 22 Mar 2000 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Wed Mar 22 23:37:27 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id A61E8EB27; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:14:49 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200003221854.NAA05808@mail6.magma.ca> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000322211449.A61E8EB27@seneca.muc.de> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:14:49 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber wrote: > Out of interest, what would this density translate into, for my > 12.7mm? If it were 75gig for a 700 series TP, I'd say 54gig (the > usual ratio, i.e. 25->18gig), but I don't know the size of a > Deskstar. It is three point five inch, not a 2.5" 19 mm one. You do not mount this disk in a TP700 series model except a very big and special one. Or do I miss the point in this speculative discussion? As far as the disk space you _need_ is concerned this is always out of question. Especially the Redmond company will fill up this space with crap in less than a fortnight. -- In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From cph Wed Mar 22 19:19:28 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28499 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:19:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14004; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13912; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13894; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:51 -0500 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14610 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port40.magma.ca [209.217.123.40]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19346 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:18:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003230018.TAA19346@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:16:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <20000322211449.A61E8EB27@seneca.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:14:49 +0100 (CET), Harald Milz wrote: >Andrew Webber wrote: >> Out of interest, what would this density translate into, >> for my 12.7mm? If it were 75gig for a 700 series TP, >> I'd say 54gig (the usual ratio, i.e. 25->18gig), but I >> don't know the size of a Deskstar. > >It is three point five inch, not a 2.5" 19 mm one. You >do not mount this disk in a TP700 series model except a >very big and special one. Or do I miss the point in >this speculative discussion? Yes, but I caused it by using one too many "would"s. What I meant, was if it were a 19mm Travelstar at 75gig, I'd decide immediately that my 12.7mm would be 54gig. but because I don't know what the typical ratio is between a 3.5" Deskstar and the corresponding 19mm and 12.7mm Travelstars (for instance, does the 2.5" 19mm at 25gig correspond to a 3.5" at 31gig? 3.5" at 37gig? or??), I wonder how big this density will translate into. I like your comment about the big TP700. From hefting a friend's Dell 7500, I'd have guessed it took a 3.5" drive! [joke, it's not _that_ heavy, but I'll stick with my TP600] >As far as the disk space you _need_ is concerned this is always >out of question. Especially the Redmond company will fill up >this space with crap in less than a fortnight. And with my Nortel 1-meg-modem (ADSL), I can fill it in two months! (With my former cablemodem, more like one month). We had a similar discussion when the 18gig came out for TP600. Why haul around a collection of CD-Rs, or be forever sync'ing the notebook to a desktop, and swapping files in and out!? Just put in the biggest HD available and carry everything! (That's my attitude anyway; I have a 10, a 6, and a 4; guess I should start thinking about an 18). andrew - ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBONlic2yNWkS9bbCHEQJlxACeIL/TKBCjDxcNKLL5AHAmfCQm1ygAoIAF p4it1TlkA0781eqH0rWf9a1v =MXNe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 23 00:09:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30117 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:09:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28247; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27994; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27981; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:39 -0500 Received: from andrel (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.68]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA46676 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323000645.00a042f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:45 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? In-Reply-To: <20000322211958.1851BEB27@seneca.muc.de> References: <200003220020.TAA03073@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Let me reiterate the increased reliability issue with the various Open Source operating systems out there. I'm an OpenBSD fan (http:/www.openbsd.org) and have a server which does web pages, and acts as my primary UNIX box at work, so it gets used a fair amount. Doing an uptime we get 11:43PM up 134 days, 12:51, 1 user, load averages: 0.12, 0.09, 0.08 After my initial setup of the machine I was able to hand it off to the folks doing web stuff and its just run and run and run.... I suppose I'll have to kill the machine in order to add the extra disk I bought for it, eventually . If you are doing things which require stability, Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD will provide a really different view of how reliable computers can be. I know of a ThinkPad 380-something or other with 400+ days of continuous use, running Linux. The primary concern for it now, is that the operating system is old enough that it contains now known security problems, which is what will drive its upgrade and reboot, not unstability in the software. The distributed.net people used a FreeBSD machine for catching clients work units, data that is in excess of a T1 line (1.5Mbps) for several months of continuous duty--litteraly hundreds of millions of packets processed. It came down only because of needed hardware upgrades. Try using ANY Microsoft product in that type of environment. Hint: hotmail.com doesn't use NT, it uses FreeBSD. --STeve Andre' At 10:19 PM 3/22/2000 +0100, Harald Milz wrote: >"sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: >> To give you one example, 3 months of uptime is a bare minimum for >> an average OS/2 or Linux system. Something that you dont see with Winshit >> very often. > >Reminds me of the running gag "is it true that Windows 95 crashes after >exactly 49 days? - Dunno, nobody's been able to to run it that long to >verify it yet.". > >Nuff said, let's not start the "my OS is better than your OS" flame war. > >The space required by your Linux install pretty much depends on what you >want to do. Dunno the Corel WP thing but e.g. if you don't plan to compile >stuff (including the kernel) you can omit the GNU C Compiler. YMMV. > >I for one have been rejecting all but Linux for nearly seven years now :-) > >-- >Hark, Hark, the dogs do bark >The Duke is fond of kittens >He likes to take their insides out >And use them for his mittens > From "The Thirteen Clocks" From cph Thu Mar 23 00:43:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30258 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:43:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29868; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29687; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29673; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:40 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA35780; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:25 -0500 Message-ID: <38D9AE7D.C1822CD9@gate.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:17 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive References: <200003230018.TAA19346@mail6.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i think that the next step for travelstar 17mm drive will be 43gigs.. :-) Andrew Webber wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:14:49 +0100 (CET), Harald Milz wrote: > > >Andrew Webber wrote: > >> Out of interest, what would this density translate into, > >> for my 12.7mm? If it were 75gig for a 700 series TP, > >> I'd say 54gig (the usual ratio, i.e. 25->18gig), but I > >> don't know the size of a Deskstar. > > > >It is three point five inch, not a 2.5" 19 mm one. You > >do not mount this disk in a TP700 series model except a > >very big and special one. Or do I miss the point in > >this speculative discussion? > > Yes, but I caused it by using one too many "would"s. > > What I meant, was if it were a 19mm Travelstar at 75gig, I'd decide > immediately that my 12.7mm would be 54gig. but because I don't > know what the typical ratio is between a 3.5" Deskstar and the > corresponding 19mm and 12.7mm Travelstars (for instance, does the > 2.5" 19mm at 25gig correspond to a 3.5" at 31gig? 3.5" at 37gig? > or??), I wonder how big this density will translate into. > > I like your comment about the big TP700. From hefting a friend's > Dell 7500, I'd have guessed it took a 3.5" drive! [joke, it's not > _that_ heavy, but I'll stick with my TP600] > > >As far as the disk space you _need_ is concerned this is always > >out of question. Especially the Redmond company will fill up > >this space with crap in less than a fortnight. > > And with my Nortel 1-meg-modem (ADSL), I can fill it in two months! > (With my former cablemodem, more like one month). > > We had a similar discussion when the 18gig came out for TP600. Why > haul around a collection of CD-Rs, or be forever sync'ing the > notebook to a desktop, and swapping files in and out!? Just put in > the biggest HD available and carry everything! (That's my attitude > anyway; I have a 10, a 6, and a 4; guess I should start thinking > about an 18). > > andrew > - ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. > > iQA/AwUBONlic2yNWkS9bbCHEQJlxACeIL/TKBCjDxcNKLL5AHAmfCQm1ygAoIAF > p4it1TlkA0781eqH0rWf9a1v > =MXNe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 23 04:22:25 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA31085 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:22:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11322; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:20:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11156; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11143; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003230920.EAA11143@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:20:36 -0500 Received: from hicdbs (pri09.dialup.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.234]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HB4NMY0A; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:33:58 -0600 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000323000645.00a042f0@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id EAA11322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA31086 On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:45 -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: >The primary concern for it now, is that the operating >system is old enough that it contains now known security problems, which is >what will drive its upgrade and reboot, not unstability in the software. One note here, Linux doesn't require as many reboots as windoze, its possible to do a huge software upgrade on the operating system without booting. The only thing that would force you to reboot is a kernel upgrade, all others are dynamicly used (or most parts anyway). Same thing counds for OS/2 actualy, but OS/2 needs a reboot if you change some drivers, unlike Linux which can use modules. (modules can be loaded/stopped on-the-fly) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -[ playing "03 - JMJ & Richie - Beyond Therapy.mp3" (0:04/3:50) From cph Thu Mar 23 10:13:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00528 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:12:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03556; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03227; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03214; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:47 -0500 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03920; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port17.magma.ca [209.217.123.17]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22355; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:10:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003231510.KAA22355@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "penzance@gate.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:08:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <38D9AE7D.C1822CD9@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:17 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >i think that the next step for travelstar 17mm drive >will be 43gigs.. :-) Looks like 31gig for my TP600 (43*18/25). :) :) What's the price of the IBM and Toshiba 12.7mm 18gig these days? andrew - ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBONozgmyNWkS9bbCHEQKYagCfWOVytqBYBstQ5eWwu4Mamw3ilSYAn3R+ nW9P4kV/IkGXwTTZZ3lgluNE =zzcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 23 12:56:12 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01692 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15172; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14987; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14970; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:52 -0500 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01132 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:54:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003231754.MAA01132@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: Running TP with 2 floppies on Dock II or port replicator? List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, This deals with a TP 755CD on a Dock II or port replicator. I would like to get the TP to work with 2 FDD ( the internal FDD and the external 750 FDD external attachment kit w/ FDD in it). Under DOS, the TP sees them both; Win95 will see them both if: I exit Win95 and restart in DOS mode, then inquire about B: (such as B: [enter] then dir [enter] ), inquire about A: and then load Win95 with "win" from the C:\WINDOWS dir In examining the Hardware settings, I noticed that when Win95 recognizes the second FDD, two GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK device listings show up in the System Properties, Device Manager, Disk drives list (from the Settings, one is for A: and the other is for B: ) I've tried breaking the contact for Pin #4 (Drive Select) and taking that pin to ground ..... no effect. My goal is to get Win95 to recognize both FDD drives without having to go through this trip thru DOS 7; any suggestions? Thanks in advance, -Pete Findeis From cph Thu Mar 23 14:35:57 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02378 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:35:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23905; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23496; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23470; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:08 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-31.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.31]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23637 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:32:02 +0200 Message-Id: <200003231932.VAA23637@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:06:21 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200003231510.KAA22355@mail6.magma.ca> Subject: Re: IBM announces new hard drive X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 at 10:08 AM you, "Andrew Webber" , said: >What's the price of the IBM and Toshiba 12.7mm 18gig these days? About $450. From cph Thu Mar 23 14:36:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02382 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:36:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23935; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23497; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23471; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:32:08 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-31.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.31]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23644 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:32:02 +0200 Message-Id: <200003231932.VAA23644@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:12:06 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 & OS/2: Dock and UltraBay support X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: I'm installing Warp 4 on my TP600E and the "additional hardware support" screen offers the possibility to configure support for the "Dock II" and "UltraBay Device Swapping". I will soon be receiving a SelectaDock III and I would like to know what parameters I should enter (I assume the SelectaDock III - which probably didn't exist when Warp 4 was released - behaves like a Dock II). The configuration program lists the following ThinkPad models (likewise, the TP600 didn't exist at the time): 755CD/CDV, 755CE/CSE/CV/CX, 760C/CD, 760E, 760ED, 760EL/ELD, 760X/XD. Should I pick up one of these as a best match for my TP600E? Or is there specific support for the TP600? Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu Mar 23 15:08:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02550 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:08:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27126; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:06:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27011; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from roxie.ede.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26987; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from roxie.ede.com (209.58.134.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:05:55 -0500 Received: from roxie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roxie.ede.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02673 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:05:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200003232005.PAA02673@roxie.ede.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: List Archived? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:05:54 -0500 From: Ted Ede List-Unsubscribe: Is this list archived anywhere? I'd like to see if anyone has tried Win 2K on the 14xx series notebooks. thanks, ted From cph Thu Mar 23 15:20:48 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02621 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:20:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28720; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:19:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28612; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28584; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:19:50 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17677 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: RE: UltraSlimBay Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:19:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <994E56089999D111843900A0C92A4466FD0243@nyschx09psge.sch.ge.com> List-Unsubscribe: > [The IBM Portable Drive Bay] can be ordered from Insight > (http://www.insight.com) for ~$228. Or $195 direct from IBM. -Mike From cph Thu Mar 23 15:31:40 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02733 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:31:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01797; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01692; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01678; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:21 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-172.gate.net [207.36.212.172]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23328; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA7ECF.17446648@gate.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:30:07 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Findeis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Running TP with 2 floppies on Dock II or port replicator? References: <200003231754.MAA01132@mail.bucknell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Pete.. FWIW, i did that with a 760CD, when they were new, and win95 was new.. worked then with no problem as i recall.. Peter Findeis wrote: > Hi all, > This deals with a TP 755CD on a Dock II or port replicator. > > I would like to get the TP to work with 2 FDD ( the internal FDD and the > external 750 FDD external attachment kit w/ FDD in it). Under DOS, the TP > sees them both; > Win95 will see them both if: > I exit Win95 and restart in DOS mode, > then inquire about B: (such as B: [enter] then dir [enter] ), > inquire about A: and > then load Win95 with "win" from the C:\WINDOWS dir > > In examining the Hardware settings, I noticed that when Win95 recognizes the > second FDD, > two GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK device listings show up in the System > Properties, Device Manager, Disk drives list > (from the Settings, one is for A: and the other is for B: ) > > I've tried breaking the contact for Pin #4 (Drive Select) and taking that > pin to ground ..... no effect. > > My goal is to get Win95 to recognize both FDD drives without having to go > through this trip thru DOS 7; any suggestions? > Thanks in advance, > -Pete Findeis > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 23 15:33:14 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02747 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02093; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02002; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01989; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:27 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-172.gate.net [207.36.212.172]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23378; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA7F52.13074D94@gate.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:18 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: $195 + sales tax plus shipping so that $195 is IBM's discounted, put the dealer network out of business, price, plus $15~ in sales tax and whatever shipping comes out being.. also note: insight is not the lowest cost vendor around.. Michael Geary wrote: > > [The IBM Portable Drive Bay] can be ordered from Insight > > (http://www.insight.com) for ~$228. > > Or $195 direct from IBM. > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 23 15:33:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02751 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02408; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02197; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02176; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:09 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-172.gate.net [207.36.212.172]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA190630; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38DA7F7C.8CFC7D39@gate.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:00 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UltraSlimBay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, more FWIW, that is a pcmcia based item.. Michael Geary wrote: > > [The IBM Portable Drive Bay] can be ordered from Insight > > (http://www.insight.com) for ~$228. > > Or $195 direct from IBM. > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 23 15:34:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02758 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:34:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02514; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02321; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02173; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:33:04 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.109]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B6125DD5; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:31:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38DA7095.B0509378@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:29:29 -0700 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonlands Publishing, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Full Size Keyboard Add-0n Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I purchased my TP 760XL, I also purchased a full size keyboard that plugged into it... but never once used it... It has the little red eraser cap mouse, but will accept a full size mouse. Now I am on the road, and need to use it... but I am missing a key part... and I didn't bring the manual The keyboard has two lines that need to plug into the 760XL... one line has a tiny image that could be a mouse... the other has a tiny image that could be a keyboard... There is only one plug in point on the Thinkpad... When I plug these lines in, the mouse will work... but nothing makes the keyboard work... when I exchange the cords, nothing works... So the keyboard must plug into something else that plugs into the Thinkpad... Anybody have an idea what it is and where I can buy one? I am desparate to get this job done.... so if any of you have one you will sell, I will Fed Ex a check... In lieu of that, I can try Boulder parts or IBM, but I don't know what to order... Ray Bayles Desparate in Tubac along the Mexican Border in Arizona. canyonlands@theriver.com From cph Thu Mar 23 15:40:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02795 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:40:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03357; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:38:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03235; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03199; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:38:29 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.109]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B066725F76; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:33:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38DA7121.DB5BA906@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:31:48 -0700 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonlands Publishing, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Keyboard Part Numbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I left off the keyboard part numbers if they make any difference... 760XL Thinkpad is a 9547 4Z2 IBM keyboard is P/N 13H6705 Fru No. 13H1610 ID No. M038022 10/28/96 Plt No. 00 Model M13 Thanks for any help Ray Bayles From cph Thu Mar 23 15:54:52 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02880 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:54:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05103; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:53:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04955; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04941; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48 -> www0s.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:53:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 11086 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2000 20:53:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323205337.11085.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Mar 23 20:53:37 GMT 2000 Date: 23 Mar 00 14:53:37 CST From: Rob Bell To: Ray Bayles , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Full Size Keyboard Add-0n Problem X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA02881 I believe what you need is the mouse/keyboard "Y" adapter. It allows you to plug both a keyboard and a mouse into the ThinkPad mouse port. It costs about $25 from IBM. In the past I think people here have said that a generic version (such as from RadioShack) doesn't work). IBM parts should be able to get you set up with one. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Mar 23 16:19:23 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA03100 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:19:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07212; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07065; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.med.harvard.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07052; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.med.harvard.edu (134.174.141.58 -> webmail.med.harvard.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:18:09 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: josh_rodefer Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:17:27 -0500 Sender: "josh_rodefer" From: "josh_rodefer" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002414 Subject: Thinkpad 240s: Opinions? Thoughts? Message-ID: <38D458CF@webmail.med.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51.06 List-Unsubscribe: Hi I've been lurking for a while because I am contemplating the purchase of a thinkpad. I have definitely been oriented towards the thin and light category .... not that I am such "a mobile person who is always on the go" but rather I just don't want to heft more weight around than I have to....I digress.... So, what do you (or your friends) think or know about the TP 240? It appeals to me right now b/c of the seemingly nice price (albeit without a CD -- any recommendations?), however I keep hearing that the battery is too small and only lasts 60-90 min. True? The 570/600 are definitely nice also, but perhaps more $$ than I want (have ;-) to spend, and more power than I need (most of my needs are pretty basic - office apps, some scientific graphing, etc). I welcome any and all opinions (feel free to email off list to save bandwidth) -- or if you could point me to any relevant web sites that you think might be of help in the decision making process. thanks! josh_rodefer@hms.harvard.edu From cph Thu Mar 23 16:35:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA03223 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:35:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08909; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08653; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08639; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (156.3.140.68 -> muse.calarts.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (knowlton@localhost) by muse.calarts.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA14093 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:34:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:34:08 -0800 From: Jeff Knowlton To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NextStep/OpenStep on Thinkpad Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: A number of people have mentioned the different OSes they are running, such as OS/2, Linux, and BSD. Has anyone installed NextStep or OpenStep on their thinkpad? If so what were the results? thanks jeff From cph Thu Mar 23 16:53:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA03408 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:53:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10547; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10460; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10444; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:45 -0500 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19544; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port14.magma.ca [209.217.123.14]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15274; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003232152.QAA15274@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Ray Bayles" , "Rob Bell" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:50:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <20000323205337.11085.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Full Size Keyboard Add-0n Problem List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Mar 00 14:53:37 CST, Rob Bell wrote: >I believe what you need is the mouse/keyboard "Y" adapter. It >allows you to plug both a keyboard and a mouse into the ThinkPad >mouse port. It costs about $25 from IBM. In the past I think >people here have said that a generic version (such as from >RadioShack) doesn't work). IBM parts should be able to >get you set up with one. > >HTH, >Rob Yes, you need this cable to hook up an external keyboard. Part numb 54G0441 http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr =1&prnbr=54G0441&cntry=840&lang=en_US The URL says U$39.00 but I paid C$40 (~U$25) at the local IBM store when I first got the connector (so maybe the site is quoting me C$). If you can't find one there, or from IBM, I can get it from the store here in Ottawa for C$38 plus taxes [2 in stock]. I'll be happy to do that and FedEx it, but you wouldn't get it until Monday and the cross-border shipping would probably be fairly high (a FedEx envelope alone is U$20 from California to Ottawa). Good luck! andrew - ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBONqRtFnIUG5s9eWEEQKTqgCeJ8tE7daYk6TK+HlZXvRA6J3VbbIAoJ7c nvx2y9Hnr1xYzLGu1XCcGXtX =i02K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 23 17:54:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA03825 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:54:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15858; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:52:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15674; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15660; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:52:54 -0500 Received: from user-38lcdf2.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcdf2.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.226]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18635; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:52:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003232252.RAA18635@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ray Bay" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:58:10 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <386EDDB2.255BE899@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win95 OSR2 + Win98 Drivers? List-Unsubscribe: Not sure I understand. Do you mean it will work if the Win98 drivers are loaded onto the OSR2 system? On Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:10:10 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >It will work after you load all the new drivers from the IBM site. >It takes a long time to download all of them. > >Allan Ballad wrote: >> >> I use Win95 OSR2 on my TP760XL. >> >> I picked up a neat digital/USB microscope >> written to install on Win98. >> >> Assuming my buddie can change the install >> key lines to accept OSR2, will the drivers >> work? Or snafu the system? >> >> Allan Ballard From cph Thu Mar 23 18:17:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03960 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:17:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17751; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:17:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17661; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from fx-usa.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17646; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from fx-usa.com (212.120.116.194 -> cc13594-a.ensch1.ov.nl.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:16:58 -0500 Received: from mobile (mobile [192.168.1.50]) by fx-usa.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000324001707-31881-7 ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:17:07 +0200 Message-Id: <20000324001707-31881-7@fx-usa.com> From: "Robin Vley" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:18:30 +0100 Reply-To: "Robin Vley" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [390] IRda List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA03961 Hi! I m not sure if anyone already asked this, but is there anyone out there who got IRda working correctly on the 390? I always have the IBM Fast IR stuff listed under InfraRed ports (using W98). I need a normal IRda port for my mobile phone to work. Are there any new or working IR drivers to use with this port? Thank you! Met vriendelijke groet, Robin Vley --- Visit The Prepayshop: www.prepayshop.nl Visit The Mobileshop: www.mobileshop.nl Robin Vley E-Mail: viper@fx-usa.com SMS: +31-650-600900 F/X Services Web: www.fx-usa.com FAX: +31-53-4780327 From cph Thu Mar 23 19:26:49 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04354 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:26:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22630; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22480; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22461; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:52 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA07873; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:51 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA29279; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:23:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:23:35 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: What in the world is *up* with these people?! I've just spent the last HOUR AND A HALF on hold! From 2:50 pm (Pacific time) to 4:20 pm. Anyone else have this tough of time to get an answer and order something? All I want is some trackpoint caps, for cryin' out loud...and when I get 'em, I'm going to order about 100 of them so I never have to call again... Ugh...I think I'm going to hang up. Who needs this aggravation? From cph Thu Mar 23 19:31:28 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04387 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:31:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23136; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:30:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23039; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23025; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:30:41 -0500 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.190]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000324003038.JSZK10526.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:30:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001901bf9541$be6b9e40$be2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:33:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: If you are comfortable with using Ebay, search for "trackpoint" and you will see some sellers offering the caps for considerably less that the 2/$15.00 I've heard tell of. I got a few several weeks ago for $1.85 each, color "Sony VAIO Purple", last time I looked the seller had "Toshiba Green" ones up for sale. He also has red ones, I think. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Randal Whittle (snip) > All I want is some trackpoint caps, for cryin' out loud...and when I get > 'em, I'm going to order about 100 of them so I never have to call again... > From cph Thu Mar 23 19:40:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04433 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:40:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23856; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:39:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23769; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23755; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.13 -> smtp03.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:39:35 -0500 Received: from tc-1-183.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-183.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.106.183]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 925404081; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:37:29 +0900 (JST) From: "Stephen A. Carter" To: "ThinkPad list" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:45:50 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000323000645.00a042f0@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? Message-Id: <20000324003729.925404081@smtp03.mail.gol.com> List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:45 -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: >Try using ANY Microsoft product in that type of environment. Hint: >hotmail.com >doesn't use NT, it uses FreeBSD. When did they switch from Solaris? -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. mailto:scarter@hticn.com Nagoya, Japan http://www2.gol.com/users/hticn/ PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph Thu Mar 23 19:58:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04576 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:58:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25291; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25177; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25163; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:25 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA17404; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA11602; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000323165539.0379e400@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:57:03 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? In-Reply-To: <001901bf9541$be6b9e40$be2a4f0c@tp466> References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:33 PM 03/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: >If you are comfortable with using Ebay, search for "trackpoint" and you will >see some sellers offering the caps for considerably less that the 2/$15.00 >I've heard tell of. ??? I've never paid that--I recall there being 2 sources at IBM, one outrageous (as you describe), the other pretty reasonable. I'm trying to reach the reasonable one. :-) As for eBay--just looked--and there's a bunch that are trying to get rich off of us. No thanks. From cph Thu Mar 23 20:19:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA04687 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:19:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26972; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26860; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26847; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:42 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA26579; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:39 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA19345; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000323171604.037ab1a0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:18:17 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? In-Reply-To: <001901bf9541$be6b9e40$be2a4f0c@tp466> References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:33 PM 03/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: >If you are comfortable with using Ebay, search for "trackpoint" and you will >see some sellers offering the caps for considerably less that the 2/$15.00 >I've heard tell of. ...case in point: I *did* get through on one IBM number (meanwhile, that other call I spoke of? Its on the other line...still waiting...its been 2 1/2 hours now). The IBM price through that source was $5 for a pair. Free ground shipping. eBay? $6 for a pair--and it has 2 days to go for bidding. And that guy will sell you some off-eBay for "only" $10 per pair. Whatta deal... There were a couple of less expensive ones, but overall...nothing particularly good. From cph Thu Mar 23 20:29:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA04726 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:29:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27688; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:27:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27550; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27536; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:27:15 -0500 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.190]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000324012714.KLJX24417.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:27:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bf9549$a5c58600$be2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000323171604.037ab1a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:30:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: The fella I got my caps from (handle is "nudemike", he's in California) sold them for $1.85, worked out to 5/$10 including shipping. He has the same price up now, for Green caps. Decent fella, shipped quick. Maybe I also saved myself 2.5 hours on hold, judging from your experience. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randal Whittle To: TP List Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? > At 07:33 PM 03/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >If you are comfortable with using Ebay, search for "trackpoint" and you will > >see some sellers offering the caps for considerably less that the 2/$15.00 > >I've heard tell of. > > ...case in point: I *did* get through on one IBM number > (meanwhile, that other call I spoke of? Its on the other line...still > waiting...its been 2 1/2 hours now). The IBM price through that source was > $5 for a pair. Free ground shipping. > > eBay? $6 for a pair--and it has 2 days to go for bidding. And > that guy will sell you some off-eBay for "only" $10 per pair. Whatta deal... > > There were a couple of less expensive ones, but overall...nothing > particularly good. > > From cph Thu Mar 23 20:40:41 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA04783 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:40:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28517; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:40:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28417; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28380; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:39:27 -0500 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id RAA29194 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000323173735.00df2340@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:38:39 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? In-Reply-To: <000f01bf9549$a5c58600$be2a4f0c@tp466> References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000323171604.037ab1a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:30 PM 3/23/2000 , you wrote: >The fella I got my caps from (handle is "nudemike", he's in California) sold >them for $1.85, worked out to 5/$10 including shipping. He has the same >price up now, for Green caps. Decent fella, shipped quick. Maybe I also >saved myself 2.5 hours on hold, judging from your experience. For the sake of all involved, if you could post contact information for "nudemike", it would be appreciated. -- David Goldman From cph Thu Mar 23 20:50:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA04822 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:50:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29301; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:49:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29205; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29192; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:49:42 -0500 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.190]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000324014940.JDOP25500.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bf954c$c85797a0$be2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , "David Goldman" References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000323171604.037ab1a0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.1.20000323173735.00df2340@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:52:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: His email address is mshvartsman@socal.rr.com. He sent a note with the caps promising to answer any questions about them, so I guess you can say they come with free tech support. He offers fuzzy cat's tongue caps in red, black, green, blue, purple (lavender), gray, and raspberry. Smooth caps in red and black. Tell him "duh86" sent you. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Goldman To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? (snip) > For the sake of all involved, if you could post contact information for > "nudemike", it would be appreciated. > > > -- > David Goldman > From cph Thu Mar 23 21:11:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04925 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:11:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00773; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:09:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00630; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00614; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:09:52 -0500 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-050.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.50]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP for ; id UAA4747560 Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003240209.UAA4747560@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:09:49 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: 730T Suitcase model - External floppy List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Shawn T. Rutledge" Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:48:37 -0700 > A couple days ago I received the floppy I was hoping would work with my > 730T, and it does work. It's Dell, FCC ID DX9-DELL-EXFDD. I got it from > Peter Findeis, findeis@bucknell.edu, and I believe he has more of them. > Keep in mind you also need a ThinkPad 760 type cable to go with it; when > I got mine he said he didn't have any more of the cables. It's IBM > FRU# 25H4879 Just for further info, I ordered the IBM cable (there aren't many left) and it arrived today. I connected the external floppy from my TP 701c to the 730t suitcase model and it booted up from a DOS floppy disk with no problems. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 03/23/00, 20:09:46 From cph Thu Mar 23 21:25:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04986 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:25:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01761; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01680; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ux13.cso.uiuc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01667; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ux13.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.25 -> ux13.cso.uiuc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by ux13.cso.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27164; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:24:27 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: ux13.cso.uiuc.edu: neurautr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:24:27 -0600 (CST) From: George Neurauter X-Sender: neurautr@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000323165539.0379e400@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I found this off the IBM web site. They are a Thinkpad Proven dealer. You can get blue or red caps for 4/$15.95 (Part #'s - red 84G6537 - blue 12J4552, although the dealer only shows the red caps). IBM shows the blue cap part number at http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/proven/licensed.html . Seems pretty good to me. http://www.compu-lock.com/default.html George On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:33 PM 03/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >If you are comfortable with using Ebay, search for "trackpoint" and you will > >see some sellers offering the caps for considerably less that the 2/$15.00 > >I've heard tell of. > > ??? I've never paid that--I recall there being 2 sources at IBM, > one outrageous (as you describe), the other pretty reasonable. I'm trying > to reach the reasonable one. :-) > > As for eBay--just looked--and there's a bunch that are trying to > get rich off of us. No thanks. > From cph Thu Mar 23 21:26:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04993 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02117; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02006; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01988; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:22 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-94.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.94]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA12298 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:26:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000323213122.012b03d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:31:22 -0800 To: "ThinkPad list" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? In-Reply-To: <20000324003729.925404081@smtp03.mail.gol.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000323000645.00a042f0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:45 AM 03/24/2000 +0900, Stephen A. Carter wrote: >On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:45 -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: >>Try using ANY Microsoft product in that type of environment. Hint: >>hotmail.com >>doesn't use NT, it uses FreeBSD. > >When did they switch from Solaris? I think the question me must address is, "Why don't they use NT?" I find it humorous that the developer of NT subscribed to the notion that coders must, "Eat their own chow." Yet M$ itself doesn't use NT for large scale web server functions. :) And I'm a Microsoft staunch supporter (Hey, they pay my bills PLUS some...). Personally, I like NT. I use it exclusively on my 770z (Well, NT Server 4.0 SP6 to be exact) for all my work and development and uptime is consistent (Then again I power down my 770z a lot! ) Ah well, if the day comes that Linux takes over the market (or another OS), I'll switch to where the $$$ is and follow suit. I'm objective like that. It gomes down to moola. :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Mar 23 22:48:30 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA05398 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:48:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07025; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:47:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06858; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06842; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:47:23 -0500 Received: from c454306b (ppp10.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.88]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09481 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: <014d01bf9542$0e0a4f00$16d4a7d1@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:35:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=3&sku=CD-40+E This is the 2X from the 755Cd . It will work in most 760's also, as long as they have the extended cutout. Type 85G1914 according to "Chuck' ext 317. I ordered mine two days ago for $15 ...grrrrrr ;-] Peter still trying to figure out why IBM would have new stock of a 7 year old drive ... From cph Thu Mar 23 23:10:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA05473 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:10:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08696; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08544; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08529; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:02 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc2-00.ismi.net [207.51.180.55]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA08802; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:08:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008401bf9550$07720b20$37b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "peter machule" , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!!--NOT FOR 760's though... Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:15:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, Peter...those will NOT work in any of the 760's.... And, they're pretty darned slow at 2X...and old, even though they're "new". The shaping on the 85G1914 is square at the right rear portion of the cdrom drive...whereas the 760 cdroms have an angled cutout section. The 760 cdroms are backward compatible with the 755CD/CDV though.... I've got a bunch of brand new 8X cdroms for the 760 series available for $45 shipped to ThinkPad list members if interested. I'm selling elsewhere for $59 shipped. Again, these are new-in-box and work in 760's and 755CD/CDV's... Also have brand new 20X units if persons "have the need for speed".... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: peter machule To: thinkpad Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!! >http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=3&sku=CD-40+E > >This is the 2X from the 755Cd . >It will work in most 760's also, as long as they have the extended cutout. >Type 85G1914 according to "Chuck' ext 317. > >I ordered mine two days ago for $15 ...grrrrrr ;-] > >Peter > >still trying to figure out why IBM would have new stock of a 7 year old drive ... > > > > > > From cph Fri Mar 24 01:28:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05880 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:28:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14825; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:25:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14551; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14538; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (24.93.67.52 -> fe5.southeast.rr.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:24:58 -0500 Received: from rob ([24.25.23.107]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401bf955a$6fb93ff0$6b171918@rob> From: "Rob Watson" To: , Subject: Re: List Archived? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BF9530.86CC5490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BF9530.86CC5490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't seen anything about the 14xx's on here yet, except for my questions about 12g Hds :-) But I've only been on the list a little over a month. After I get the = 12g, I'll be putting win2k on and I'll let you know how it goes. Waiting = for our baby to pop out before I spend the $$$. (only about 2 more weeks) Last time I checked the archive site, it didn't have 99 up yet, it's at ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ or ftp://www.cs.utk.edi/pub/judi/thinkpad-archive Oh, I just checked them, don't seem to be there anymore..... Sorry, not sure where they're at now.... I've got a 1460. By the way, is this coming across in HTML?? I thought I had fixed that = in some of the emailer's, but i forget which ones... I apologize if I have = the wrong one. Rob Watson rlwatson@mindspring.com rlwatson@nc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Ede" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: List Archived? > > > Is this list archived anywhere? I'd like to see if anyone has tried > Win 2K on the 14xx series notebooks. > > thanks, > ted > > ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BF9530.86CC5490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't seen anything about the = 14xx's on here=20 yet, except for my
questions about 12g Hds  :-)
But I've only = been on=20 the list a little over a month.   After I get the 12g,
I'll = be=20 putting win2k on and I'll let you know how it goes.   Waiting=20 for
our baby to pop out before I spend the $$$. (only about 2 more=20 weeks)
Last time I checked the archive site, it didn't have 99 up = yet, it's=20 at
ftp://swiss-ftp= .ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/    =20 or
ftp://www.cs.utk.= edi/pub/judi/thinkpad-archive
 
Oh, I just checked them, don't seem to = be there=20 anymore.....
Sorry, not sure where they're at now....
I've got a=20 1460.
By the way, is this coming across in HTML??   I = thought I had=20 fixed that in
some of the emailer's, but i forget which ones...  = I=20 apologize if I have the
wrong one.
 
Rob Watson
rlwatson@mindspring.com
rlwatson@nc.rr.com
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: = "Ted Ede"=20 <ted@ede.com>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: = Thursday,=20 March 23, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: List Archived?
 

>
>
> Is this list = archived=20 anywhere?  I'd like to see if anyone has tried
> Win 2K on = the 14xx=20 series notebooks.
>
> thanks,
>=20 ted
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------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BF9530.86CC5490-- From cph Fri Mar 24 03:26:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA06097 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:26:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20744; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:24:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20437; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20366; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:24:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:01:27 +0000 GMT From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001347@panix.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Is Memory just Memory? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 18 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought yet another TP600e, this one a new 400MHz/10GB/DVD, >from Egghead/OnSale.com for $2309 on one of their Yankee Auctions, and I need to add memory to it. Is memory just "memory" or is there more to it than that? I see that Coast to Coast Memory sells 128MB memories for TP600e's for just $116.47 each but other cmpanies offer similar modules for even less or for many times that price. Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that their warranty is "lifetime", but I'm not clear whether its my life or the life of the computer or the life of their company or just the life of the memory module.) Regards to all. -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Fri Mar 24 03:43:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA06141 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:43:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21922; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:39:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21752; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21710; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (204.112.54.11 -> access.mbnet.mb.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:38:39 -0500 Received: from CORUSCANT (24.66.41.126.mb.wave.home.com [24.66.41.126]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA27849; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:38:12 -0600 (CST) Received: by CORUSCANT with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9539.5DBA2CE0@CORUSCANT>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:33:40 -0600 Message-ID: <01BF9539.5DBA2CE0@CORUSCANT> From: Jason Savage To: "'c1-forum@frijoles.com'" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:33:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BF9539.5DC1CE00" List-Unsubscribe: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BF9539.5DC1CE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I felt it wise to pass on this little tidbit about these infernal and = dangerous little contraptions. These little devices allow you to use a = 2.5" (notebook drive) in a desktop in a 3.5" drive bay. It's a great = idea. Unfortunately, most of devices normally do not ship with = instructions or for that matter silkscreening on the board. If you ever = find yourself needing to use one of these pieces of work; (I'd like to = use I different word here but there are people of a sensitive nature who = will read this) for goodness sake make sure that you plug in your 2.5" = drive the right way otherwise this cute little $15 adapter will turn = your 2.5 inch hard drive into a nice paperweight. You see if you plug = in the drive the wrong way into the adapter you will connect the = computer power to pin 1 of your little hard drive and blow the drive = controller on your drive. Nice little lesson don't you think? Does = anyone have a used Toshiba MK0803MAT for sale (cheap)? I have included = a small bitmap decoding what is the correct way to plug in the drive for = the adapter that I have. However, this picture should only be used as = a possible guide to help you decide how best to proceed in using your = adapter and is by no means the definitive answer on how to properly plug = in device into this adapter. In other words, Caveat Emptor. Good Luck = (your gonna need it if you have to use one of these adapters). 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=_NextPart_000_01BF9539.5DC1CE00-- From cph Fri Mar 24 06:33:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA06799 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:33:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05842; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:32:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05728; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05715; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:32:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 1688 invoked by uid 66); 24 Mar 2000 11:38:00 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Fri Mar 24 11:38:00 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id A0FF9EB27; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:09:53 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: Full Size Keyboard Add-0n Problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <38DA7095.B0509378@theriver.com> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000324110953.A0FF9EB27@seneca.muc.de> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:09:53 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bayles wrote: > When I purchased my TP 760XL, I also purchased a full size keyboard > that plugged into it... but never once used it... It has the little > red eraser cap mouse, but will accept a full size mouse. > Now I am on the road, and need to use it... but I am missing a key > part... and I didn't bring the manual _That_ was the fault :-) It's documented. The PS/2 port accepts a mouse directly - for the KBD you thee the Y adapter. -- A straw vote only shows which way the hot air blows. -- O'Henry From cph Fri Mar 24 07:24:20 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA06989 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:24:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07730; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07602; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07589; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:33 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-35.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.35]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA25534; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000324072840.013b4ac0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:28:40 -0800 To: tgold@panix.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? In-Reply-To: <2001347@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:01 AM 03/24/2000 GMT, Anthony R. Gold wrote: >I just bought yet another TP600e, this one a new 400MHz/10GB/DVD, >from Egghead/OnSale.com for $2309 on one of their Yankee Auctions, >and I need to add memory to it. > >Is memory just "memory" or is there more to it than that? I see that >Coast to Coast Memory sells 128MB memories for TP600e's for just >$116.47 each but other cmpanies offer similar modules for even less >or for many times that price. > >Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories >except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that >their warranty is "lifetime", but I'm not clear whether its my life >or the life of the computer or the life of their company or just the >life of the memory module.) I've purchased memory from Kingston, Apricorn, Visiontek, Viking, Crucial, Goldenram and IBM direct. I've only had a few modules fail (both >from Apricorn). Overall, I would say shop for price not namebrand. Yes, I'm a lover of Kingston because I've used them the most, but I've had zero problems with the others too. I purchased 4 770 128mb modules from Crucial for $110.00/ea (www.crucial.com) and they all worked flawlessly and as promised a few months ago. FYI: www.crucial.com has 128mb modules for the 600e for $98.99/ea (Yes, 98.99/ea!). Part # CT172754. I would suggest there. :) As for other TP owners: Their 600x/390x parts are 98.99/ea for 128mb parts Their 770 parts are 98.99/ea for 128mb parts UPS Ground = $5.00 anywhere in the continental US UPS 2ndday = $7.50 " " FedExNextDay = $10.00 " " Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Mar 24 07:43:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA07034 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:43:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08757; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:38:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08656; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice4.ipa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08642; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from postoffice4.ipa.net (205.218.170.22 -> postoffice4.ipa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:38:12 -0500 Received: from tenkiller (pool-127.tal.ok.ipa.net [209.128.135.127]) by postoffice4.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA02884; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:38:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001c01bf959e$ec9dd000$7f8780d1@tenkiller> From: "kj henriksen" To: "Jason Savage" , , "Thinkpad Maillist \(E-mail\)" , "Libretto Maillist \(E-mail\)" References: <01BF9539.5DBA2CE0@CORUSCANT> Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:40:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: thanks for the tip. i either never ordered that gadget, or they have never sent it. thanks, kj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Savage" To: ; "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" ; "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters I felt it wise to pass on this little tidbit about these infernal and dangerous little contraptions. These little devices allow you to use a 2.5" (notebook drive) in a desktop in a 3.5" drive bay. It's a great idea. Unfortunately, most of devices normally do not ship with instructions or for that matter silkscreening on the board. If you ever find yourself needing to use one of these pieces of work; (I'd like to use I different word here but there are people of a sensitive nature who will read this) for goodness sake make sure that you plug in your 2.5" drive the right way otherwise this cute little $15 adapter will turn your 2.5 inch hard drive into a nice paperweight. You see if you plug in the drive the wrong way into the adapter you will connect the computer power to pin 1 of your little hard drive and blow the drive controller on your drive. Nice little lesson don't you think? Does anyone have a used Toshiba MK0803MAT for sale (cheap)? I have included a small bitmap decoding what is the correct way to plug in the drive for the adapter that I have. However, this picture should only be used as a possible guide to help you decide how best to proceed in using your adapter and is by no means the definitive answer on how to properly plug in device into this adapter. In other words, Caveat Emptor. Good Luck (your gonna need it if you have to use one of these adapters). Jason Savage Savage@Mbnet.MB.CA From cph Fri Mar 24 08:39:01 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07199 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:39:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12010; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:37:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11846; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4006.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11820; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4006.mail.yahoo.com (216.115.104.40 -> web4006.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <20000324133737.15470.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.214.180.209] by web4006.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:37:37 PST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Agren Subject: 240 beeps at system start up To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: How do I disable the annoying beeping at system start up with the 240? Thanks, Carl Agren __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Mar 24 09:04:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA07354 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:04:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13840; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13689; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13675; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:46 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax38.vramp.net [198.138.8.101]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA65019; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "peter machule" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!! Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:08:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <014d01bf9542$0e0a4f00$16d4a7d1@c454306b> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: peter machule [mailto:machule@triumf.ca] wrote: > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=3&sku=CD-40+E > > This is the 2X from the 755Cd . > It will work in most 760's also, as long as they have the extended cutout. > Type 85G1914 according to "Chuck' ext 317. And the external 20X drive WITH speakers and rechargable battery is back down to $105 again. BTW this thing works wonderfully in everything I've tried it in so far (750, 755C, 755Cs, 755CD, 760XL, a couple of Compaqs and a Toshiba). Respectable music playback also, especially considering the size of the Mickey Mouse ear clip on speakers. IBM EXTERNAL/PORTABLE 20X CD-ROM PCMCIA DRIVE - $105 ITEM #...1969-011 http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3&sku=1969%2D011 Regards, James From cph Fri Mar 24 09:47:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA07573 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:47:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16969; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16827; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16812; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:11 -0500 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:51:41 -0600 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: External Thinkpad Keyboard Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:51:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I actually like the feel of my thinkpad keyboard better than most external keyboards. However, I use a dock and therefore need an external keyboard. I read a thread here a while back about a company making external keyboards using Thinkpad keyboard parts. Can someone give me the name of the company, their phone number, or the web site? Thanks. From cph Fri Mar 24 10:11:33 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07698 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:11:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18825; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:10:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18678; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18661; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:10:39 -0500 Received: from c454306b (ppp03.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.81]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA19463; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:10:28 -0800 Message-ID: <016501bf95a1$7b57fb20$16d4a7d1@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: "Denis Hall" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <008401bf9550$07720b20$37b433cf@denhall> Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!!--NOT FOR 760's though... Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Denis , Thanks for the Heads Up !!! I was told by "Chuck " that they would fit in the 760's . Actually he said they were for the 760's. Did the original 760CD have a different cutout than the 760E's ? Mine have not shown up yet . I'm going to be really irked now ;-{ ..peter.. . ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Hall To: peter machule ; thinkpad Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!!--NOT FOR 760's though... > Sorry, Peter...those will NOT work in any of the 760's.... > > And, they're pretty darned slow at 2X...and old, even though they're "new". > The shaping on the 85G1914 is square at the right rear portion of the cdrom > drive...whereas the 760 cdroms have an angled cutout section. The 760 > cdroms are backward compatible with the 755CD/CDV though.... > > I've got a bunch of brand new 8X cdroms for the 760 series available for $45 > shipped to ThinkPad list members if interested. I'm selling elsewhere for > $59 shipped. Again, these are new-in-box and work in 760's and > 755CD/CDV's... > Also have brand new 20X units if persons "have the need for speed".... > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter machule > To: thinkpad > Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:48 PM > Subject: IBM thinkpad 755 /760 CDROM drive $12 !!! > > > >http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=3&sku=CD-40+E > > > >This is the 2X from the 755Cd . > >It will work in most 760's also, as long as they have the extended cutout. > >Type 85G1914 according to "Chuck' ext 317. > > > >I ordered mine two days ago for $15 ...grrrrrr ;-] > > > >Peter > > > >still trying to figure out why IBM would have new stock of a 7 year old > drive ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Fri Mar 24 10:57:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07968 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:57:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22629; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:55:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22452; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22429; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (142.177.1.6 -> jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:55:33 -0500 Received: from laptop-laidback.com ([142.227.23.116]) by jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 607-64184U76000L76000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:55:23 -0400 Message-ID: <38DB8FDA.AD2DEFC3@laptop-laidback.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:55:06 -0400 From: Doug Martell Organization: Laidback We "R" Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Joystick to an i1452 ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to pick up some data in a physics lab where the lab instructions indicate to connect a couple of wires to the joystick port of a computer. In essence I have to be able to have the computer running a QBasic program and have it indicate time when the fire button is pressed on the joystick. This works nicely on desktops with joystick ports, but my i1452 doesn't seem to have that port available. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Doug -- ************************************************************** Douglas Martell - Laidback We "R" Inc. PO Box 271----151 Lochside Rd Arichat NS B0E 1A0 Canada Phone: (902)-226-3092 , Fax. 226-0066 e-mail: doug@laptop-laidback.com http://www.laptop-laidback.com/index2.html ************************************************************** From cph Fri Mar 24 11:41:21 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA08189 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:41:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26571; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26406; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26388; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:09 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-30.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.30]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18768 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:38:59 +0200 Message-Id: <200003241638.SAA18768@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:38:59 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: External Thinkpad Keyboard X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: The company is Unicomp Inc. and their web site is http://www.pckeyboard.com/ Their ThinkPad keyboard is the Mighty Mouse (http://www.pckeyboard.com/surfer.htm) You can buy online from them at http://store.yahoo.com/pckeyboards/ I bought one from them. It was expensive but worth it: realy feels like a ThinkPad keyboard. My only source of disappointment is that they didn't have a keyboard with the Finnish layout in black. One week ago, someone was selling the same keyboards on comp.sys.laptops for $35: See http://x45.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=598791949 HTH, Dominique On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 at 08:51 AM you, Greg Langham , said: >I actually like the feel of my thinkpad keyboard better than most >external keyboards. However, I use a dock and therefore need an external >keyboard. >I read a thread here a while back about a company making external >keyboards using Thinkpad keyboard parts. >Can someone give me the name of the company, their phone number, or the >web site? From cph Fri Mar 24 12:09:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08313 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:09:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29992; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:08:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29842; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29820; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:08:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 14834 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2000 17:07:58 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14818 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 2000 17:07:57 -0000 Received: from dialupi219.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.89.219) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 17:07:57 -0000 Message-ID: <38DBA2CE.EBF6DBA8@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:15:58 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Martell CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Joystick to an i1452 ?? References: <38DB8FDA.AD2DEFC3@laptop-laidback.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Various places sell pcmcia Joystick adapters, Here is info from mobile planet > Mobile Gamer Joystick Adapter > MP # MP560104 > MFG # NMT00704 > Our Price $79.95 > Stock Usually Ships 2-3 days > Order PCMCIA Joystick Adapter for Notebook Computers. > Product Specifications > PCMCIA Interface > Compatible with Analog and Digital joysticks > Supports Two Simultaneous 2-Axis, 2-Button Joysticks > Supports One 4-Axis, 4-Button Joystick > Plug & Play > Compatible with Windows '95, '98. & DOS http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=3270&pf%5Fid=MP560104 (BTW I am not recommending Mobile Planet, I just happen to have seen this on their site recently so knew I could find it there.) Doug Martell wrote: > > I'm trying to pick up some data in a physics lab where the lab > instructions indicate to connect a couple of wires to the joystick port > of a computer. In essence I have to be able to have the computer > running a QBasic program and have it indicate time when the fire button > is pressed on the joystick. > > This works nicely on desktops with joystick ports, but my i1452 doesn't > seem to have that port available. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Doug > -- > ************************************************************** > > Douglas Martell - Laidback We "R" Inc. > PO Box 271----151 Lochside Rd > Arichat NS B0E 1A0 Canada > Phone: (902)-226-3092 , Fax. 226-0066 > e-mail: doug@laptop-laidback.com > http://www.laptop-laidback.com/index2.html > > ************************************************************** -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Fri Mar 24 12:32:55 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08422 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:32:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03254; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02932; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02918; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 5328 invoked by uid 66); 24 Mar 2000 17:36:54 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Fri Mar 24 17:36:54 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7A695EB27; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:24 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <2001347@panix.com> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000324114324.7A695EB27@seneca.muc.de> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:24 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Anthony R. Gold wrote: > Is memory just "memory" or is there more to it than that? I see that > Coast to Coast Memory sells 128MB memories for TP600e's for just > $116.47 each but other cmpanies offer similar modules for even less > or for many times that price. Be sure to get 3.3V SDRAM SO-DIMM types, not EDO, not 5V. > Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories > except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that Yes. IBM warranty is void if the machine breaks with a non-IBM memory card. IIRC certain Kingston types are accepted. -- Strunz! From cph Fri Mar 24 12:57:06 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08587 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:57:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07430; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07260; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07245; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:39 -0500 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18216; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:51:32 -0500 From: "Brian Bender" To: "'Doug Martell'" Cc: "Thinkpads list \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Joystick to an i1452 ?? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:18 -0500 Message-ID: <003701bf95ba$1e32e1d0$0c061fac@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <38DB8FDA.AD2DEFC3@laptop-laidback.com> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Doug, Are you using Win9x? If so, I have a PCMCIA game controller I've given up trying to use since moving to NT/Linux on my Thinkpads some time back (paid around $50, $25 sound reasonable?). It works fine under Win95 (should also under Win98), DOS apps running in a window see it fine. It's the first-generation card from JCDesigns... I also have another one (this one doesn't use a dongle, though, and regardless which slot you put it in it blocks the other slot) that has a point enabler. If you were running just plain DOS, that works without even having Card & Socket Services enabled... $20 for that one, if you're interested. Lemme know if either solution helps you out, or if you need more info. - Brian Bender Pittsburgh, PA, USA TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting nicely. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Martell [mailto:doug@laptop-laidback.com] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 10:55 AM > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: Joystick to an i1452 ?? > > > I'm trying to pick up some data in a physics lab where the lab > instructions indicate to connect a couple of wires to the > joystick port > of a computer. In essence I have to be able to have the computer > running a QBasic program and have it indicate time when the > fire button > is pressed on the joystick. > > This works nicely on desktops with joystick ports, but my > i1452 doesn't > seem to have that port available. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Doug > -- > ************************************************************** > > Douglas Martell - Laidback We "R" Inc. > PO Box 271----151 Lochside Rd > Arichat NS B0E 1A0 Canada > Phone: (902)-226-3092 , Fax. 226-0066 > e-mail: doug@laptop-laidback.com > http://www.laptop-laidback.com/index2.html > > ************************************************************** > From cph Fri Mar 24 14:21:39 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09092 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:21:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17244; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17020; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17005; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:49 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA21494; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:48 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA01154; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000324110122.00a898a0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:04:06 -0800 To: "Jim Biggerstaff" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: IBM Nat'l Parts Ctr--What's up? In-Reply-To: <000f01bf9549$a5c58600$be2a4f0c@tp466> References: <4.2.0.58.20000323162106.0379e500@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000323171604.037ab1a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:30 PM 03/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: >The fella I got my caps from (handle is "nudemike", he's in California) sold >them for $1.85, worked out to 5/$10 including shipping. He has the same >price up now, for Green caps. Decent fella, shipped quick. Maybe I also >saved myself 2.5 hours on hold, judging from your experience. Many thanks to Jim for suggesting "Nudemike". I contacted him directly, referencing Jim's recommendation, and since he's not going through eBay (with its associated fees), he drops the price a bit--in some cases, *much* lower if you want the old rubberized (non-cat's-tongue) caps. I'll be buying a load of them from him so I don't have to wonder where to buy them all the time. :-) Thanks again, Jim. From cph Fri Mar 24 14:32:34 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09150 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:32:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18588; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:31:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18490; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18474; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (204.112.54.11 -> access.mbnet.mb.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:31:12 -0500 Received: from CORUSCANT (24.66.41.126.mb.wave.home.com [24.66.41.126]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23395; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:30:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by CORUSCANT with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9594.8EA6D5A0@CORUSCANT>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:26:27 -0600 Message-ID: <01BF9594.8EA6D5A0@CORUSCANT> From: Jason Savage To: "C1-forum@frijoles.com" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: An apology Re:A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 HD adapters Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:26:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA09151 First off, let me just say, I'm sorry; It won't happen again since I won't be ever sending any attachments to any mail list. It appears that in my eagerness to prevent the users of the list having to deal with the above mentioned hassle; I caused another hassle. I accidently enclosed the un-zipped version of the "little bitmap" causing a 300K file to be sent to three separate mail-lists. My sincerest apologies. That's what happens when you do things at 2:30 in morning. Sincerely, Jason Savage Savage@MBnet.MB.CA From cph Fri Mar 24 15:18:52 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09591 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:18:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23805; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23544; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23530; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:44 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-27.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.27]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11139; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000324152153.013b68e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:21:53 -0800 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? In-Reply-To: <20000324114324.7A695EB27@seneca.muc.de> References: <2001347@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:43 PM 03/24/2000 +0100, Harald Milz wrote: >Anthony R. Gold wrote: >> Is memory just "memory" or is there more to it than that? I see that >> Coast to Coast Memory sells 128MB memories for TP600e's for just >> $116.47 each but other cmpanies offer similar modules for even less >> or for many times that price. > >Be sure to get 3.3V SDRAM SO-DIMM types, not EDO, not 5V. > >> Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories >> except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that > >Yes. IBM warranty is void if the machine breaks with a non-IBM memory card. >IIRC certain Kingston types are accepted. If this is even remotely valid across the board for proven IBM replacement memory types, then you remove the memory before sending it back to IBM. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Mar 24 15:47:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09774 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:47:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27169; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:45:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26977; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26954; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:45:26 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25961 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:45:23 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002b01bf95d1$f924b860$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <2001347@panix.com> <20000324114324.7A695EB27@seneca.muc.de> Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:46:04 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories > except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that I always used to buy cheap memory for my laptops, but when I decided to upgrade my 560 I had several cheap modules in a row not work, despite the fact that they met the official specs. While the dealer (thechipmerchant) was good about exchanging them and letting me try modules from several different manufacturers (NEC, Samsung, etc), I eventually went with a name-brand chip for a little more money(Viking, which is not "TP-proven" but at least was not generic, and had been certified by Viking to work on the 560). In fact, had I started with this chip I would have *saved* money in the long run (from postage for returns). In future I will buy the cheapest memory I can find *with a 'brand name' on it* (Goldenram, Apricorn, Kingston, PNY, Viking, Visiontek, Crucial, whatever - just as long as there's an extra layer of 'name' on the thing, signifying that someone other than a dealer has given thought to the question of whether that particular chip will work on my specific machine). From cph Fri Mar 24 16:02:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09864 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:02:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29173; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29027; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29010; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (209.30.2.16 -> chupacabras.flash.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:10 -0500 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-70-84.flash.net [216.215.70.84]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08430; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:01:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301bf95d4$31995140$5446d7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "Jason Savage" , , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:01:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've been using one for years. Never fried a drive yet. It came with instructions. Hard drives use a universal pin/power pin scheme. The power plug and pin one almost always are nearest each other. Never gone wrong yet. I have a 2.1 gig 2.5 inch drive (from my TP 560 installed in an external (Valustor) parallel port HD case on my desktop. What size (in megs/gigs) HD are you looking for? I have a 1.08 gig and the 2.1 gig up for sale. >Subject: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters >Does anyone have a used Toshiba MK0803MAT for sale (cheap)? I have included a small From cph Fri Mar 24 16:34:04 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10108 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:34:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02749; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02660; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02639; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:56 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip15.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.15]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22369 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf95d8$6042fa60$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <002b01bf95d1$f924b860$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Right now there is no excuse for not buying >from Crucial/Micron, with the possible exception that they end up charging you sales tax, depending on the state you live in. Even then, I'd still buy their memory. When you take it out of the bag and look at it closely, the construction of the module just barks quality and perfection. On top of this, if you ever get a bad module from them, you should be pissed off, because you probably could have won the lottery that day or something. The other plus is the memory selector on their site lets you select what thinkpad you have, and it will tell you what modules you can put in it. Barring you can't get micron, the best other choices are Samsung, Hyundai, or basically any other company who makes THE ENTIRE MODULE. (an example is hyundai will make a DIMM and assign a part number two the entire module, therefore the PCB and the chips are both made by Hyundai) The only company I trust who doesn't make the entire module is Atlas Precision- they buy top quality PCB and chips, and mate them, with a bend-over-backwards guarantee. (like free overnight shipping return and replacement) Only thing that sucks about them right now is PCBOOST.COM is like their only retail/reseller arm, and they have horrible prices right now. BTW, PNY is horrible, all it really is is tested bulk memory. It's a bit better than plain bulk memory, but only because they tested it before they stuck it in the box. Kingston, Viking, etc, aren't bad, but pricing typically sucks for any part with their name on it. My reccomendation is just to load up your computers while this stuff is cheap, if I hearken back to the days of the 486-100 the memory was more expensive than the rest of the computer. -Mike (who just filled his TP770ED to 288M last week) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:46 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? > > > > Is there anything to choose between cheap and expensive memories > > except for say customer service and warranties? (Coast says that > > I always used to buy cheap memory for my laptops, but when I decided to > upgrade my 560 I had several > cheap modules in a row not work, despite the fact that they met the > official specs. While the dealer (thechipmerchant) was good about > exchanging them and letting me try modules from several different > manufacturers (NEC, Samsung, etc), I eventually went with a name-brand > chip for a little more money(Viking, which is not "TP-proven" but at > least was not generic, and had been certified by Viking to work on the > 560). In fact, had I started with this chip I would have *saved* money > in the long run (from postage for returns). > > In future I will buy the cheapest memory I can find *with a 'brand name' > on it* (Goldenram, Apricorn, > Kingston, PNY, Viking, Visiontek, Crucial, whatever - just as long as > there's an extra layer of 'name' > on the thing, signifying that someone other than a dealer has given > thought to the question of whether that particular chip will work on my > specific machine). > > From cph Fri Mar 24 23:50:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA12167 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:50:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09657; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:48:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09390; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09375; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (208.40.40.13 -> 208-40-40-13.corecomm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:48:11 -0500 Received: from megsinet.net ([209.81.177.78]) by smtp-2.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FRYNY403.CLM for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:46:52 -0500 Message-ID: <38DC45B5.7F7F2261@megsinet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:51:01 -0500 From: Charles Monett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 730T: Can I use a non-ibm diskette drive? References: <2001347@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've got a problem with my suitcased 730, which I have an NCR model 3125-K720 1.44 (High Density) external drive, which appears to have the same connector as what is required to connect. It registers itself as the B: drive, but accessing a disk when the drive is properly connected, it will not access the drive. The B: is the only sign the drive exists, but further than that results in failure. Solution? From cph Sat Mar 25 09:08:10 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13802 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:08:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24457; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:06:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24252; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24238; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.151 -> f273.law7.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:06:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 28130 invoked by uid 0); 25 Mar 2000 14:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000325140635.28129.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.67.1.228 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:06:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.67.1.228] From: "Craig Bates" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinking about buying a Z50 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:06:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I think I saw a pretty good thread going on the Z50 here awhile back, before I knew what kind of system it was. I'm now thinking that this system might be a neat addition (I've given up on my 730T doing anything useful, other than solitare!). Does anyone have any comments on the Z50? I know it's not a full fledged laptop, but if I can surf without the resolution being annoyingly fuzzy, I'm happy! Is the system solid? Nothing worse than "System Faults", and nasty full blue pages telling you your computer stinks! One last thing, is there a digest of this listserv somewhere? I can't remember where I even signed up for it now! Thanks in advance, Craig Bates ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sat Mar 25 12:06:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14177 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:06:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07340; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:04:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07139; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07125; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:04:34 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.23]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000325170432.YTBF21015.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:04:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01bf967c$10479120$173a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Z50 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:03:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. My Z50 is being EZ Served. It, like several others, has a problem with the internal power supply. This can lead to sudden and total data loss. IBM is working on a "fix". The machine also has problems with some web media. For example, drivernet.com,. In e-mail setup, it is much easier to " Mate " with another computer and transfer settings/ files, however if the thing crashes, it will not work with its mate!. Good battery life, instant on, very little weight, and built-in 33.6 modem are on the plus side. To sum it up, Windows lite. From cph Sat Mar 25 12:15:22 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14213 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:15:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08357; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:14:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08254; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08237; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:14:43 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.23]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000325171442.YXVO21015.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bf967d$7b91e2e0$173a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Think,,, 730 vs Z50 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello again. I surf the web with a 730T, 33.6 modem, 8 meg Ram card.This allows me to check e-mail on the road. I will need a few more days to get things going, but hopefully real soon you will be able to FTP a mirror of a net-hopping 730s hard drive. The Z50 died, so I am running the 730T. I use a keyboard, the pen is neat, but takes forever when doing e-mail. From cph Sat Mar 25 12:32:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14274 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:32:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10208; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:32:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10100; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10086; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:31:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 10065 invoked by uid 66); 25 Mar 2000 17:38:29 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sat Mar 25 17:38:29 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id BF501EB3D; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:19:33 +0100 (CET) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <2001347@panix.com> <3.0.6.32.20000324152153.013b68e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000325071933.BF501EB3D@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:19:33 +0100 (CET) List-Unsubscribe: Mark Bell wrote: > At 12:43 PM 03/24/2000 +0100, Harald Milz wrote: >>Yes. IBM warranty is void if the machine breaks with a non-IBM memory card. >>IIRC certain Kingston types are accepted. > If this is even remotely valid across the board for proven IBM > replacement memory types, then you remove the memory before > sending it back to IBM. It's what the official doc says - which is not a _technical_ issue. You may also try to create one of these nifty IBM memory stickers and stick them on your cheapos. -- Government spending? I don't know what it's all about. I don't know any more about this thing than an economist does, and, God knows, he doesn't know much. -- Will Rogers From cph Sat Mar 25 12:42:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14298 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11167; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11085; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11072; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.177.151 -> hs-img-2.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:16 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id MAA23603 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:42:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:41:15 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: An apology Re:A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 HD adapters Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200003251241_MC2-9E9A-7ED9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA14299 What might have helped Jason, is saving the image as a .gif and cropping in. I saved the file for reference like this and it is now only 3Kb !!!! RE: An apology Re:A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 HD adapters First off, let me just say, I'm sorry; It won't happen again since I won't be ever sending any attachments to any mail list. It appears that in my eagerness to prevent the users of the list having to deal with the above mentioned hassle; I caused another hassle. I accidently enclosed the un-zipped version of the "little bitmap" causing a 300K file to be sent to three separate mail-lists. My sincerest apologies. That's what happens when you do things at 2:30 in morning. Sincerely, Jason Savage Savage@MBnet.MB.CA From cph Sat Mar 25 13:35:56 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14604 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:35:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15038; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:34:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14822; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14809; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.237.66 -> f66.law7.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:34:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 5003 invoked by uid 0); 25 Mar 2000 18:34:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000325183425.5002.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.67.3.117 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:34:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.67.3.117] From: "Craig Bates" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Think,,, 730 vs Z50 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:34:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yea, I agree the pen is neat but a pretty slow input device for any software that I know of. I'm hoping all these people buying Palms by the dozen are seeing better character recognition and speed than I see with this thing. I do like kicking back at work and playing solitare or hangman (letter buttons). What are you using for a browser? I've put off on buying a modem only because I hear that the pen interface is poor on IE (although I would think that this would be one area where a pen would excel with links and buttons and such). And also, I kinda like the modems with the xjack connector, but doesn't the door get in the way? Enough about the 730... I gotta find me a Z50. And then after that? (my wife is very, very nervous to see me on Ebay these days!) >From: "rudolph wratten" >To: >Subject: Think,,, 730 vs Z50 >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:13:42 -0600 > >Hello again. > >I surf the web with a 730T, 33.6 modem, 8 meg Ram card.This allows me to >check e-mail on the road. I will need a few more days to get things going, >but hopefully real soon you will be able to >FTP a mirror of a net-hopping 730s hard drive. >The Z50 died, so I am running the 730T. >I use a keyboard, the pen is neat, but takes forever when doing e-mail. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sat Mar 25 13:41:46 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14636 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15579; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15496; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15476; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:41:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:30:40 +0000 GMT From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001364@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 43 List-Unsubscribe: In message <000301bf95d8$6042fa60$1b00a8c0@dallas> "Mike Capone" writes: > > Right now there is no excuse for not buying > from Crucial/Micron, with the possible exception > that they end up charging you sales tax, depending > on the state you live in. Even then, I'd still > buy their memory. When you take it out of the bag and > look at it closely, the construction of the module > just barks quality and perfection. On top of this, > if you ever get a bad module from them, you should > be pissed off, because you probably could have won > the lottery that day or something. The other plus > is the memory selector on their site lets you select > what thinkpad you have, and it will tell you what > modules you can put in it. Thanks for the impressive recommendation. I checked the site and I was surprised that for two of my machines, one a 2645-55U which is a 300MHz 6.4GB DVD systems and the other a 2645-5BU which is a 400MHz 10GB DVD system, Micron recommended differently numbered parts although the prices were the same. Is this necessary? Do these numbers represent different components or just different final testing? Wouldn't the part for the fastest machine be okay on the other 600e's? > My reccomendation is just to load up your computers > while this stuff is cheap, if I hearken back to the > days of the 486-100 the memory was more expensive > than the rest of the computer. How much does one really need? Win98 and its applications are so leaky that one needs to reboot pretty frequently anyway. Maybe if Win2K allows one to keep applications running for days or weeks at a time, then even more memory will be useful. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Sat Mar 25 20:46:18 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15819 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:46:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29395; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28968; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28953; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:49 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip115.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.115]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28731 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:40:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bf96c4$4e10bf20$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2001364@panix.com> List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony R. Gold [mailto:tgold@panix.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:31 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? > > > In message <000301bf95d8$6042fa60$1b00a8c0@dallas> "Mike Capone" writes: > > > > Right now there is no excuse for not buying > > from Crucial/Micron, with the possible exception > > that they end up charging you sales tax, depending > > on the state you live in. Even then, I'd still > > buy their memory. When you take it out of the bag and > > look at it closely, the construction of the module > > just barks quality and perfection. On top of this, > > if you ever get a bad module from them, you should > > be pissed off, because you probably could have won > > the lottery that day or something. The other plus > > is the memory selector on their site lets you select > > what thinkpad you have, and it will tell you what > > modules you can put in it. > > Thanks for the impressive recommendation. > > I checked the site and I was surprised that for two of my machines, > one a 2645-55U which is a 300MHz 6.4GB DVD systems and the other a > 2645-5BU which is a 400MHz 10GB DVD system, Micron recommended > differently numbered parts although the prices were the same. > > Is this necessary? > > Do these numbers represent different components or just different > final testing? > > Wouldn't the part for the fastest machine be okay on the other 600e's? In all good likelyhood, yes, but in the interest of compatibility, the reason micron has different part numbers is because the computers just take different spec'ed modules, thats all. The reason it appears for notebooks is because that's just the way they do it for everything else. It's a matter of compatibility. Logically, there is no reason why a faster module shouldnt work in an older computer, but weirder things have happened and I doubt micron wants to risk a return for any reason, so therefore they probably spec out PC66 to the computers with 66 mhz busses and PC100 to the computers with 100 mhz busses. > > > My reccomendation is just to load up your computers > > while this stuff is cheap, if I hearken back to the > > days of the 486-100 the memory was more expensive > > than the rest of the computer. > > How much does one really need? Win98 and its applications are so > leaky that one needs to reboot pretty frequently anyway. Maybe if > Win2K allows one to keep applications running for days or weeks at a > time, then even more memory will be useful. > Windows 98 in and of itself doesn't leak, it's the apps, and only certain apps cause leaks, etc. (another story for another day). Generally speaking, win98 won't die unless you push its bounds. (i.e. having 20 things loading in the systray and dumb norton apps running, and trying to run 20 other apps at once, does not make a 98 box run smoothly). What it really comes down to, is you have to ask yourself a question... "do I see myself upgrading this computer anytime during its lifetime" and if you answer yes to that question, you might as well fill the thing up. If you just toss the whole computer out at regular intervals, then it's probably not worth your while. I'll admit, I've probably never fully consumed any of the memory on my machines.... I have 384M in my desktop and rarely go above 128M, but, I like to be prepared for any apps that I have even the remote opportunity to run. I was sure glad I had 128M of ram in my P200 way back when I lugged that PC to college with me, because I had to use 3DstudioMax, which sucked horribly on the typical campus lab computer @ 32M. (they had better machines in some places, but of course they were always in use...) -Mike From cph Sat Mar 25 21:01:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA15855 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:01:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00710; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:00:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00547; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00537; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.42 -> imo-d10.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:00:20 -0500 Received: from Rodchild18@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.e2.2b35779 (3977) for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:59:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:59:00 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Sat Mar 25 22:04:35 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15965 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:04:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11257; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:03:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11050; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11035; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:03:07 -0500 Received: from default - 63.27.183.75 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:03:05 -0800 Message-ID: <00af01bf96cf$7b1c1d60$4bb71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Funky display Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:00:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Question. I changed out my old dual scan for a TFT on my 560. My 560 should have a TFT but at sometime someone put a dualscan on it. Well I have installed a TFT and when it is first started the right side of the display has a dirty hue, almost like smoke film, but as the computer runs longer it becomes brighter & whiter.... any ideas? Brad Burean From cph Sat Mar 25 22:08:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15980 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:08:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11855; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11752; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11739; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41 -> imo-d09.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:57 -0500 Received: from JWeinst436@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.c1.1d9fc6c (4187) for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:53 EST Subject: 730T To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 List-Unsubscribe: I bought a IBM Thinkpad 730 T and I still have not been able to load the operating system on the 105 MB Disk. I am willing to pay someone to laod Windows 95, pen drivers, etc, whatever needs to be loaded to make the 730 T operational. You can reply to me off list . Any help given would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay From cph Sat Mar 25 23:50:50 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16275 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:50:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19195; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:49:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18970; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18957; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.104 -> web204.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:49:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 19061 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2000 04:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000326044917.19060.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.72.44] by web204.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:49:17 PST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? To: tgold@panix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I'd recommend you check out a utility such as "freemem" or something that works like it. It is designed to reclaim memory as necessary and works quite well. I have 224Mb on my desktop and 128Mb in my 770 and got tired of having to reboot. Freemem fixed that problem quick. It's available on the web, just do an altavista search for freemem. Cheers, Mike B. --- "Anthony R. Gold" wrote: > How much does one really need? Win98 and its > applications are so > leaky that one needs to reboot pretty frequently > anyway. Maybe if > Win2K allows one to keep applications running for > days or weeks at a > time, then even more memory will be useful. > > Regards, > -- > Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: > tgold@panix.com > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Inexpensive, High Quality Writing Instruments __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Mar 26 02:07:27 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16491 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:07:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28888; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:02:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28724; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28711; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.240.106 -> oe2.law8.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:02:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 56047 invoked by uid 65534); 26 Mar 2000 07:02:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000326070235.56046.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.63.187.153] From: "ben armstrong" To: Subject: (730t) any battery/power usage tips for newbie? Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:59:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: just got my 730t running with win95 and was curious if any more experienced users had tips on how to make the best use of the batteries to ensure longevity. I am also using the suitcase, printer, port repicator if that makes any difference. thanks ben From cph Sun Mar 26 03:21:26 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA16591 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:21:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04266; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:20:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04055; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04042; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 03:20:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12078; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:20:22 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:20:22 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Pencetera cc: tgold@panix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? In-Reply-To: <20000326044917.19060.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Pencetera wrote: I have tried freemem before on my 770Z and it doesn't seem to reclaim the lost resources. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > I'd recommend you check out a utility such as > "freemem" or something that works like it. It is > designed to reclaim memory as necessary and works > quite well. I have 224Mb on my desktop and 128Mb in my > 770 and got tired of having to reboot. Freemem fixed > that problem quick. > > It's available on the web, just do an altavista search > for freemem. From cph Sun Mar 26 10:18:42 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26820 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:18:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08185; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:16:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07946; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07930; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.3 -> ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:16:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 9148 invoked by alias); 26 Mar 2000 15:15:32 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 9096 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 2000 15:15:31 -0000 Received: from dialupq117.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.86.117) by pop.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2000 15:15:31 -0000 Message-ID: <38DE2BB9.EABB22CF@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:24:42 -0800 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JWeinst436@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm in Portland,Or. Not going to be much help at this distance. How much RAM does it have? Does it have any OS (dos, OS/2, etc.) on it at this time? JWeinst436@aol.com wrote: > > I live in Savannah, GA. Anyway, I bought this hting about 6 mos ago and > still haven't been able to set the thing up for use. I would like someone to > load the files on the small hard drive. I have no external floppy and the > laptop I have does not want to boot up to the PCMCIA post. Any help you can > give me would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Jay -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Mar 26 10:31:44 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26832 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09435; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09348; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09334; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:31:22 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.169]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000326153120.LOWP24417.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:31:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bf9738$3795f340$a90c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: IBM 730T Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:30:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello everybody. The people who have 730Ts and have not the software. I have been somewhat busy, what with the Z50 visiting EZ services and all. I have simply not been able to send out mirrors of my harddrive. The 730T I have can indeed surf the net, this is done in windows 3.1.1 and opera as the browser. I use an xjack modem, model xj 4336, a panasonic 4x CD ROM, model kxl-d745, with built-in sound card, and a RAM card. I prefer a keyboard over the pen services. When the software is again made available, the plan is to set it up as a FTP site. In this manner, one can get the mirror as needed. There will be no charge, however I only come home once a month and this trip I did not take anything along but the 730T and the Z50,. From cph Sun Mar 26 11:19:16 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26919 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:19:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12859; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:18:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12712; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12694; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:18:24 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial33.auto-net.com [208.154.252.82]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA77434 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:05:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38DDE3A4.F0145667@iso.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:17:08 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpads2 Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory? References: <000601bf96c4$4e10bf20$1b00a8c0@dallas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: So here is a plug for a freebie (obviously I must be receiving a cut of the proceeds). It is TweakAll 1.2.3, avaiable at . It has a free-up memory function as well as many other tweaks. It frees up 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 of memory. It does work as verified by System Monitor and by the response of the system. Bill Mike Capone wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anthony R. Gold [mailto:tgold@panix.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:31 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory? > > > > > > In message <000301bf95d8$6042fa60$1b00a8c0@dallas> "Mike Capone" writes: > > > > > > Right now there is no excuse for not buying > > > from Crucial/Micron, with the possible exception > > > that they end up charging you sales tax, depending > > > on the state you live in. Even then, I'd still > > > buy their memory. When you take it out of the bag and > > > look at it closely, the construction of the module > > > just barks quality and perfection. On top of this, > > > if you ever get a bad module from them, you should > > > be pissed off, because you probably could have won > > > the lottery that day or something. The other plus > > > is the memory selector on their site lets you select > > > what thinkpad you have, and it will tell you what > > > modules you can put in it. > > > > Thanks for the impressive recommendation. > > > > I checked the site and I was surprised that for two of my machines, > > one a 2645-55U which is a 300MHz 6.4GB DVD systems and the other a > > 2645-5BU which is a 400MHz 10GB DVD system, Micron recommended > > differently numbered parts although the prices were the same. > > > > Is this necessary? > > > > Do these numbers represent different components or just different > > final testing? > > > > Wouldn't the part for the fastest machine be okay on the other 600e's? > > In all good likelyhood, yes, but in the interest of compatibility, the > reason micron has different part numbers is because the computers > just take different spec'ed modules, thats all. The reason it appears > for notebooks is because that's just the way they do it for everything > else. It's a matter of compatibility. Logically, there is no reason > why a faster module shouldnt work in an older computer, but weirder > things have happened and I doubt micron wants to risk a return for > any reason, so therefore they probably spec out PC66 to the computers > with 66 mhz busses and PC100 to the computers with 100 mhz busses. > > > > > > My reccomendation is just to load up your computers > > > while this stuff is cheap, if I hearken back to the > > > days of the 486-100 the memory was more expensive > > > than the rest of the computer. > > > > How much does one really need? Win98 and its applications are so > > leaky that one needs to reboot pretty frequently anyway. Maybe if > > Win2K allows one to keep applications running for days or weeks at a > > time, then even more memory will be useful. > > > > Windows 98 in and of itself doesn't leak, it's the apps, and only certain > apps cause leaks, etc. (another story for another day). Generally > speaking, win98 won't die unless you push its bounds. (i.e. having 20 > things > loading in the systray and dumb norton apps running, and trying to > run 20 other apps at once, does not make a 98 box run smoothly). > > What it really comes down to, is you have to ask yourself a question... > "do I see myself upgrading this computer anytime during its > lifetime" and if you answer yes to that question, you might as > well fill the thing up. If you just toss the whole computer out at > regular intervals, then it's probably not worth your while. > > I'll admit, I've probably never fully consumed any of the memory > on my machines.... I have 384M in my desktop and rarely go above > 128M, but, I like to be prepared for any apps that I have even the > remote opportunity to run. I was sure glad I had 128M of ram in my P200 > way > back when I lugged that PC to college with me, because I had to use > 3DstudioMax, > which sucked horribly on the typical campus lab computer @ 32M. (they had > better machines in some places, but of course they were always > in use...) > > -Mike From cph Sun Mar 26 12:16:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27081 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:16:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17111; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:15:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16914; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16897; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:15:36 -0500 Received: from [139.142.112.231] (helo=139-142-112-231.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12ZGdS-0001cy-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:15:34 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Funky display Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:46:11 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <00af01bf96cf$7b1c1d60$4bb71b3f@default> In-Reply-To: <00af01bf96cf$7b1c1d60$4bb71b3f@default> Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I had a couple of small dark areas on a 701C (TFT) which I bought on ebay. In time, they have simply disappeared, and the screen today looks pristine. My guess: the screen had been flexed or grabbed at these points One of the dark areas looked like it might have been a thumb mark. > >I changed out my old dual scan for a TFT on my 560. My 560 should have a >TFT but at sometime someone put a dualscan on it. Well I have installed a >TFT and when it is first started the right side of the display has a dirty >hue, almost like smoke film, but as the computer runs longer it becomes >brighter & whiter.... > > -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sun Mar 26 13:18:02 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27286 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:18:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22435; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22232; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22219; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:57 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA23106 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bf974f$78057f60$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I and friends have had very good success with Rambooster, also free, from http://www.sci.fi/~borg/rambooster/index.htm -- Jeff From cph Sun Mar 26 13:49:51 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27372 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24839; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24720; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24705; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:49:05 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcpB.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.139]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA25901; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:48:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38DE5B4C.9F9B9801@ricochet.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:47:40 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Savage CC: "'c1-forum@frijoles.com'" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters References: <01BF9539.5DBA2CE0@CORUSCANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The other helpful hint is that pin 1 on the PCB is marked with a square pad rather than a round one. I don't know how long this has been an industry practice [it didn't seem to be in '76, by my recollection], but is certainly works now. andy beals tp770ed tp730t From cph Sun Mar 26 13:53:08 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27384 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:53:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25368; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25287; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop04.iname.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25272; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop04.iname.net (165.251.8.69 -> pop04.iname.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:39 -0500 Received: from krycek (th-gt148-142.pool.dircon.co.uk [195.157.33.142]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19579; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:52:30 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Howard Latham" To: , "Jason Savage" Cc: "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: CF1 boot and fdd problems Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:52:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <38DE5B4C.9F9B9801@ricochet.net> List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone else had this problem MY FDD Only works if windows is not started windows usually locks up if I try to access it through explorer. Also most times if I reebot I have to start in protected mode once then I can get to normal mode. AS if SAFE Mode resets something? Any hints would be welcome As you can See i have workaroundable problems but it is time consuming! From cph Sun Mar 26 14:20:37 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27494 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:20:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28022; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:19:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27783; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27756; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:19:02 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.109]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000326191900.NKDG24417.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002701bf9758$04c68ae0$a90c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: CF1 boot and fdd problems Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:18:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Some of the thinkpads need the correct drivers to support the FDD in windows. The FDD can work in DOS because it is running in full BIOS mode, windows writes around BIOS with its own drivers. Thanks. From cph Sun Mar 26 20:02:54 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28605 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:02:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24740; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:00:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24473; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24446; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:00:41 -0500 Received: from user-37ka7oj.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka7oj.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.31.19]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09986; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:00:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003270100.UAA09986@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:06:00 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Urgent: Info needed on TP760XL List-Unsubscribe: Thnks to all who replied. The hard drive had worked loose. Allan Ballard On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:38:23 -0500, aballard@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Help! > >This morning I plugged in my TP760XL as always, but hit a snag. > >Namely, it won't boot. > >It goes to the Thinkpad logo, then hangs displaying a graphic with a flashing arrow pointing to what resembles a drawing of a floppy, and sorta indicates I should hit F1. > >F1 generates I9990305 >At one point I saw the error number 301, but not since. > >I have tried removing the floppy, and have gone into setup where thes unit passes all tests. > >I reinitialized. > >What could this be? > >Is the unit (97/07) still under warrenty? > >Who to call about a repair? > >This is a production machine, and I am about to jump. > >any help would be appreciated, particularly phone numbers >of whoever in IBM I should call. > >thanks again. > >Allan Ballard From cph Sun Mar 26 20:11:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28619 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25609; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25531; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25518; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:11:05 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.235 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:11:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf9789$6b905cc0$eb62183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: References: <000f01bf974f$78057f60$0200a8c0@Laptop> Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:11:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Re Freemem, rambooster, tweakall, etc: All of these programs have pros and cons, and one should try a bunch. I currently have both rambooster and freemem on my system, I find that the former has better features and better automation, while the latter more consistently frees up more memory, especially if I have set a 'hard' upper bound on the virtual swap memory W95 can use. None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory (though some claim to!). - David R. From cph Sun Mar 26 21:29:15 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28952 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:29:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02042; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01793; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01776; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26589; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:27:02 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:27:02 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory In-Reply-To: <000901bf9789$6b905cc0$eb62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, David Ross wrote: > Re Freemem, rambooster, tweakall, etc: > > All of these programs have pros and cons, and one should try a bunch. I > currently have both rambooster and freemem on my system, I find that the > former has better features and better automation, while the latter more > consistently frees up more memory, especially if I have set a 'hard' > upper > bound on the virtual swap memory W95 can use. > > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > (though some claim to!). System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never run out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and 384MB on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always low and nothing else can open afterwards. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 27 03:34:32 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29983 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:34:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23102; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:31:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22890; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22876; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:31:54 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.11 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:31:52 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01bf97c7$011c9640$0b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:32:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Me: > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > (though some claim to!). Vince: >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never >run out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and 384MB >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always low >and nothing else can open afterwards. Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those resources under W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs already mentioned exploits a trick in Windows memory management that doesn't have a counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is better in this regard. - David R. From cph Mon Mar 27 04:27:05 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA30109 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:27:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27526; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:26:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27442; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27429; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:26:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32348; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:26:47 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:26:47 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory In-Reply-To: <001d01bf97c7$011c9640$0b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, David Ross wrote: > Vince: > >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never > >run out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and > 384MB > >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always > low > >and nothing else can open afterwards. > > Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those > resources under > W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs already mentioned > exploits a trick in Windows memory management that doesn't have a > counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is > better in this regard. Yep, since even WinME doesn't fix that problem either. I think if one used VRAMDIR for memory management, it seems to work better. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 27 08:48:00 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA31001 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:47:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14333; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14177; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14158; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:36 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.100.255.225]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000327134620229022iqs5e>; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:46:21 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: New Thinkpad owner. Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:46:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I just received my thinkpad over a month ago. I have a Thinkpad 600X- 2645-5EU 192 Megs of RAM 12Gig HD 6X DVD WIndows 98 SE. From cph Mon Mar 27 08:53:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA31012 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:53:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14814; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14699; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14686; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA17713; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Rodchild18@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 Rodchild18@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Mon Mar 27 09:39:03 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA31213 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:39:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17886; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17751; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17737; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:02 -0500 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14005; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003271438.JAA14005@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: Is Travelstar worth the extra $$$?? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:38:00 -0500 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Hi. I have a TP600E and I would like to buy a new 18G hdd for it. I am told that either the IBM travelstar or an equivalent Toshiba are the candidates (ie are 12.5mm drives). The IBM drive is $838 CAN (approx $570 US) and the Toshiba drive is $659 CAN (approx $450 US) at the campus computer store. (1) Will either drive work in my TP 600E? Any special hardware I need? (2) Is there any reason to prefer the IBM drive over the Toshiba? (3) Any problems putting Linux as well as Win98 (I'm thinking about using the first 10G or so for win98 and the remainder for Linux). I have installed Linux before and I own Partition Magic (4.0); I heard there might be some "geometry problems", whatever that means. (4) Is there a clever way of copying the contents of the old hardrive onto the new one? (5) Anything else I need to worry about? Many thanks. -- Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 09:52:53 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA31258 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:52:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19457; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:51:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19323; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dealnews.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19309; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dealnews.com (209.95.64.245 -> chandra025.circle.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:50:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 55469 invoked by uid 65534); 27 Mar 2000 14:50:40 -0000 Date: 27 Mar 2000 14:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000327145040.55468.qmail@dealnews.com> To: dealnews readers Subject: dealnews: IBM Travelstar 18.1GB EIDE 2.5in in stock at $365 From: Tom Franklin via dealnews List-Unsubscribe: This deal from dealnews [http://dealnews.com] was sent to you by Tom Franklin. You can read this online at: http://dealnews.com/articles/20000324/11/12406.html ---------- IBM Travelstar 18.1GB EIDE 2.5in in stock at $365 Trans Intl. reports stock of the IBM Travelstar 18GT 18.1GB EIDE 2.5-inch 4200 rpm internal hard drive for notebook computers, model no. 31L9780. Its $365 price undercuts a report from earlier this week by $25. From cph Mon Mar 27 10:41:38 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31611 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:41:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23555; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23417; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23403; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:24 -0500 Received: from houlihanjr (adsl-209-158-237-112.bellatlantic.net [209.158.237.112]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28314 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:38:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000327104250.021b2d80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: houlihan@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:44:41 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Houlihan Subject: Installing RAM on TP 240??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Just got a 128M chip for my Thinkpad 240. Can anyone tell me the procedure for installing it? Does it go under the keyboard or do I remove all the screws on the back? I actually tried removing both but it didn't pop apart and I don't want to force anything. Thanks for any suggestions. Jerry From cph Mon Mar 27 11:01:19 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA31761 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:01:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25910; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:59:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25676; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25663; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:59:34 -0500 Received: from houlihanjr (adsl-209-158-237-112.bellatlantic.net [209.158.237.112]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13697 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000327110518.0137c6f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: houlihan@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:06:01 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Houlihan Subject: Installing RAM on TP 240??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Never mind. I just found the procedure in the manual under "Options-Memory Increase" Nothing under RAM or Memory. Heh, jh From cph Mon Mar 27 11:46:11 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA32112 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:46:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00250; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00125; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00109; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:22 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-358.gate.net [199.227.131.167]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA293088; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <38DF8F83.76D6100D@gate.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:42:43 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is Travelstar worth the extra $$$?? References: <200003271438.JAA14005@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: travelstar are IBM.. travelstar report to IBM's drive fitness test.. travelstar have a less than 512k buffer.. toshiba don't report to IBM's drive fitness test.. toshiba tend (so far) to be quieter than travelstar.. toshiba have a 1meg buffer.. take your pick.. :-) "Michael W. Godfrey" wrote: > Hi. > > I have a TP600E and I would like to buy a new 18G hdd for it. > I am told that either the IBM travelstar or an equivalent Toshiba > are the candidates (ie are 12.5mm drives). > > The IBM drive is $838 CAN (approx $570 US) and the Toshiba drive is $659 CAN > (approx $450 US) at the campus computer store. > > (1) Will either drive work in my TP 600E? Any special hardware I need? both will work equally well.. if you intend on retaining the old HDD for use in the 600, you'll want another HDD bracket.. > > > (2) Is there any reason to prefer the IBM drive over the Toshiba? > see above.. > > (3) Any problems putting Linux as well as Win98 (I'm thinking about using > the first 10G or so for win98 and the remainder for Linux). I have > installed Linux before and I own Partition Magic (4.0); I heard there > might be some "geometry problems", whatever that means. > ohh, geometry in this case refers to the way the drive actually IS as opposed to how it presents itself to the outside world and the particular OS.. you MIGHT be better advised to put Linux on the first partition.. i've not worked with linux enough to experience "Large Drive Blues".. :-) > > (4) Is there a clever way of copying the contents of the old hardrive onto > the new one? > yes, with a 2nd HDD adapter for the ultraslimbay and one of the copy apps.. > > (5) Anything else I need to worry about? > don't drop your HDD on a hard floor.. don't ZAP! it with static electricity.. > > Many thanks. > > -- Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Mar 27 12:47:45 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32636 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:47:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08628; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08280; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08240; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:30 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip63.bedford16.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.90.63]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17000 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf9814$3b91ec10$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <001d01bf97c7$011c9640$0b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: If you require any of these programs to run the system properly over a period of time, then there are several applications that should be removed and deleted from the computer. (i.e., any program that LEAKS gdi is really a piece of garbage.) I had a customer that was using an old version of LVIEW pro which leaked GDI every time he opened up a picture. Since this guy was a porn hound, his machine crashed in about 5-10 minutes of porn viewing. (the leakage kept adding up to the point where the fonts started to go nuts, etc.) The solution to the problem was simply to change him to AcDeeSee, which doesnt leak GDI..... Other apps leak/invade memory in subtle, nearly undetectable ways. A perfect example is Goldmine, that famous hunk of garbage groupware client. It errantly thrashes into other apps running on a machine, and will bring a 9X box to its knees in a few hours of multitasking. One of my clients has this "wonderful" app installed on their 9X workstations, and everytime I poll someone about system crashes, the commonality between the crashes is that 9 out of 10 times, they had goldmine running when the system crashed. And of course, their 3 NT boxes never crash, irregardless of software. (read below.) While people are busy slamming win95/98 for leaking the resources, it's not win9X thats causing the problem, its an errant app (or two) that does it... This is why NT seems to run so much more stable, it provides a "room with padded walls" for every app to run in, so even if the app commits ritual suicide, or blows itself up, it won't spray its entrails on the guy in the next cell over. 9X just allows the apps to do whatever they want, including invading memory allocated by the operating system itself. If you want stability, you have to watch what apps are loaded on your machine, and ask yourself wether you really need them or not. Alas, if you need to run a crappy application every now and then, or need utmost resiliency, you will be forced to run any one of the derivs. of windows NT. (NT4 or 5/2000), and if your requirements (and hardware) are really basic and feature stripped, you can get away with using linux, which will probably never break. (although linux doesnt tolerate suck apps either, but this is more of a security issue than anything else, and on a single user box, is very small issue). The other thing which sucks up GDI/User/Environment memory (that tricky nonrecoverable stuff) is junk loaded in the system tray. On a 9X box only the bare minimum to operate should be sitting in the tray. In win98, use MSCONFIG from the start/run box and then turn off half the crap that loads in the registry, you'd be amazed at how much faster the machine runs. Another sure fire way to blow away tons of GDI/user/etc resources is the installation of any norton applications, these things are horrible in terms of destroying a 9X box in the shortest period of time. Kind of ironic since they pretend that their utilities can fix things. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ross [mailto:dr0ss@email.msn.com] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 3:33 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory > > > Me: > > > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > > (though some claim to!). > > Vince: > >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never > >run out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and > 384MB > >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always > low > >and nothing else can open afterwards. > > Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those > resources under > W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs already mentioned > exploits a trick in Windows memory management that doesn't have a > counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is > better in this regard. > > - David R. > > > From cph Mon Mar 27 12:52:07 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32694 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:52:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09445; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:50:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09249; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09218; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:50:52 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10385; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" , "Jason Savage" Cc: , "Thinkpad Maillist \(E-mail\)" , "Libretto Maillist \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:50:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38DE5B4C.9F9B9801@ricochet.net> List-Unsubscribe: > The other helpful hint is that pin 1 on the PCB is marked with a > square pad rather than a round one. I don't know how long this > has been an industry practice [it didn't seem to be in '76, by my > recollection], but is certainly works now. It's been that way on everything PC-related that I've ever seen. You can certainly count on this: If there is one square pad, that's pin 1. (Three mailing lists? Yikes! ) -Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 13:13:09 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00398 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11930; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:10:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11711; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11697; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:10:39 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14846; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Ross" , Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:10:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01bf97c7$011c9640$0b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> List-Unsubscribe: > >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never run > >out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and 384MB > >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always > >low and nothing else can open afterwards. 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on that thing and you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. > > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > > (though some claim to!). > > Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those > resources under W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs > already mentioned exploits a trick in Windows memory management that > doesn't have a counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is > better in this regard. Windows 2000 doesn't have "System Resources". "System Resources" is a polite name for some 64Kb data areas that the USER and GDI modules in Windows use to keep data for organizing and drawing the windows on the screen. These areas have 64Kb limits because of the 16-bit code in those parts of Windows 95/98. Some of this code dates back to Windows 1.0. Remember the 286? Windows 2000 is NT, and NT has never had these 64Kb limits, because the USER and GDI code is all 32-bit. BTW, it *is* possible to magically provide more "System Resources" in Windows 9x. Connectix once sold a product I worked on called Agent 95 that did just that (among other things). Windows 3.x had even worse limits (same 16-bit, 64Kb architecture as Windows 9x, but they were cramming even more things into each of those 64Kb chunks), and Agent 95's predecessor, RAM Doubler, was quite popular at one time because it increased those limits (but didn't remove them completely). The real solution isn't to put some hack on top of another hack which was built on a 16-bit hack to begin with, but to just get yourself a proper 32-bit operating system to begin with. Windows 2000 runs real nice on ThinkPads. (And you can even run Linux and Windows 9x at the same time using VMware.) -Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 13:24:17 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00483 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:24:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13088; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:23:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12983; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12969; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:23:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA39598; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:23:16 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:23:16 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never run > > >out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and 384MB > > >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always > > >low and nothing else can open afterwards. > > 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on that thing and > you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. I would if Microsoft would run all the apps that I had... That's the problem. > > > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > > > (though some claim to!). > > > > Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those > > resources under W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs > > already mentioned exploits a trick in Windows memory management that > > doesn't have a counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is > > better in this regard. > > Windows 2000 doesn't have "System Resources". "System Resources" is a polite > name for some 64Kb data areas that the USER and GDI modules in Windows use > to keep data for organizing and drawing the windows on the screen. These > areas have 64Kb limits because of the 16-bit code in those parts of Windows > 95/98. Some of this code dates back to Windows 1.0. Remember the 286? That's true... I wonder why Win9x never increased the System Resources limit or made it variable depending on how much physical memory you had since a 286 only can handle about 1 meg of RAM while machines these days can handle up to 4 gig. > Windows 2000 is NT, and NT has never had these 64Kb limits, because the USER > and GDI code is all 32-bit. > > BTW, it *is* possible to magically provide more "System Resources" in > Windows 9x. Connectix once sold a product I worked on called Agent 95 that > did just that (among other things). Windows 3.x had even worse limits (same > 16-bit, 64Kb architecture as Windows 9x, but they were cramming even more > things into each of those 64Kb chunks), and Agent 95's predecessor, RAM > Doubler, was quite popular at one time because it increased those limits > (but didn't remove them completely). The thing is during the Windows 3.0 days, there weren't many Win apps so most of the stuff was still DOS based. Even in Windows/286 and Windows/386 v2.0, there weren't any Windows apps except for a few and mostly DOS apps. That was the reason people ran DesqView. Does something like Agent 95, RAM Doubler still exist? I know SoftRAM was a Hoax but I thought all the ones you mentioned were really supposed to be just virtual memory products and not resource limit hacks. > The real solution isn't to put some hack on top of another hack which was > built on a 16-bit hack to begin with, but to just get yourself a proper > 32-bit operating system to begin with. Windows 2000 runs real nice on > ThinkPads. (And you can even run Linux and Windows 9x at the same time using > VMware.) I'm sure it runs nice except I wish it was backwards compatible with a lot of my software since I have software that dates back to the late 1980's. I don't run Linux but rather FreeBSD since I ran Linux back in 1993 before and FreeBSD is just more rock solid and stable. Linux isn't bad but the networking code is still borrowed from BSD. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 27 13:36:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00546 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:36:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14189; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:35:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14109; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14089; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (204.112.54.11 -> access.mbnet.mb.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:35:12 -0500 Received: from CORUSCANT (24.66.41.126.mb.wave.home.com [24.66.41.126]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14675; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:34:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by CORUSCANT with Microsoft Mail id <01BF97E8.34928E50@CORUSCANT>; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:30:15 -0600 Message-ID: <01BF97E8.34928E50@CORUSCANT> From: Jason Savage To: "'Michael Geary'" , Andrew Scott Beals , Jason Savage Cc: "c1-forum@frijoles.com" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: RE: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:30:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA00548 Sorry guys but it isn't universal. My little gem of an adapter does not have the square pad pin 1 marking. Nor does some of the cheaper offshore components that I have used in the past. Standards are always sacrificed in order to save a buck. Personally, that is the last time I'm ever going to use an adapter like that. I'll just have to be more creative to find an alternative. Jason Savage Savage@MBnet.MB.CA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [SMTP:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:51 AM To: Andrew Scott Beals; Jason Savage Cc: c1-forum@frijoles.com; Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail); Libretto Maillist (E-mail) Subject: RE: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters > The other helpful hint is that pin 1 on the PCB is marked with a > square pad rather than a round one. I don't know how long this > has been an industry practice [it didn't seem to be in '76, by my > recollection], but is certainly works now. It's been that way on everything PC-related that I've ever seen. You can certainly count on this: If there is one square pad, that's pin 1. (Three mailing lists? Yikes! ) -Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 14:44:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01038 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:44:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22408; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:43:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22193; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22180; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:43:12 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05095; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "David Ross" , Subject: Virtual Machines and Old Apps (RE: Is Memory just Memory) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:42:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > > 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on > > that thing and you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. > > I would if Microsoft would run all the apps that I had... That's > the problem. I use VMware for stuff like that. App requires Win95--or would DOS 6 be better? No problem, you can set up as many virtual machines as you want. VMware supports these OSes in virtual machines: Win2K, NT4, Windows 3.1, 95, and 98, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6, Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera, Corel, and TurboLinux, and FreeBSD 2.2x and 3.x. Each virtual machine operates like a physical machine on the inside--it has a Phoenix BIOS and boots from floppy or CD-ROM, etc.--but it runs as an application under the Windows 2000/NT4 or Linux host operating system on the physical machine. You can run multiple virtual machines at once and network them together with each other and with the host OS. If an app requires unusual hardware, VMware won't be the solution. It emulates fairly vanilla, typical PC hardware in its virtual machines. But if the app just requires an old or different OS, VMware is just the ticket. You can even get your app running in a virtual machine and then suspend it to disk, so you can just do a quick resume later on with the app already running--don't even have to boot up the virtual machine. Sorry to be going on about it, but I'm a major VMware fan--it's one of the most useful pieces of software I have. They're at: http://www.vmware.com/ -Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 15:01:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA01170 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:01:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24225; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:58:36 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24126; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24112; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:58:31 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08336; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "David Ross" , Subject: System Resources (RE: Is Memory just Memory) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:57:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Some of this code dates back to Windows 1.0. Remember the 286? > That's true... I wonder why Win9x never increased the System > Resources limit or made it variable depending on how much physical memory > you had since a 286 only can handle about 1 meg of RAM while machines > these days can handle up to 4 gig. Because it's still 286 code! 16-bit, not 32-bit. Win9x has quite a mix of the two. > The thing is during the Windows 3.0 days, there weren't many Win > apps so most of the stuff was still DOS based. Even in Windows/286 and > Windows/386 v2.0, there weren't any Windows apps except for a few and > mostly DOS apps. That was the reason people ran DesqView. Does something > like Agent 95, RAM Doubler still exist? I know SoftRAM was a Hoax but I > thought all the ones you mentioned were really supposed to be just virtual > memory products and not resource limit hacks. RAM Doubler started out as a Mac product which primarily did RAM compression as an alternative to swapping memory to disk. Connectix (www.connectix.com) still sells the Mac version, but the Windows version and Agent 95 are no longer on the market. RAM Doubler for Windows did some RAM compression, but since Win31 had decent virtual memory already, its main focus was relieving the 64K system resource limits, using a variety of VxD tricks to do this. Agent 95 was a follow-on for Windows 95. It did some of the system resource stuff, but that wasn't needed as much for Windows 95--back then people were delighted to have 32Mb in a machine, so with the modest system resource improvements that Win95 had on its own, you would tend to run out of system resources about the same time you ran out of memory. But now you've got what, 320K on your ThinkPad? Oops! Like I went on and on about in my other message, it's definitely Win2K and VMware for you... -Mike From cph Mon Mar 27 16:06:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01760 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:06:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01635; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:04:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01453; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01429; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:04:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA42338; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:04:39 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:04:38 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Virtual Machines and Old Apps (RE: Is Memory just Memory) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on > > > that thing and you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. > > > > I would if Microsoft would run all the apps that I had... That's > > the problem. > > I use VMware for stuff like that. App requires Win95--or would DOS 6 be > better? No problem, you can set up as many virtual machines as you want. > VMware supports these OSes in virtual machines: Win2K, NT4, Windows 3.1, 95, > and 98, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6, Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera, Corel, > and TurboLinux, and FreeBSD 2.2x and 3.x. Now that's pretty cool indeed. Does it require it's own partition or does it just install in the Win2k partition? > Each virtual machine operates like a physical machine on the inside--it has > a Phoenix BIOS and boots from floppy or CD-ROM, etc.--but it runs as an > application under the Windows 2000/NT4 or Linux host operating system on the > physical machine. You can run multiple virtual machines at once and network > them together with each other and with the host OS. Interesting. > If an app requires unusual hardware, VMware won't be the solution. It > emulates fairly vanilla, typical PC hardware in its virtual machines. But if > the app just requires an old or different OS, VMware is just the ticket. You > can even get your app running in a virtual machine and then suspend it to > disk, so you can just do a quick resume later on with the app already > running--don't even have to boot up the virtual machine. Hmm, but what about for things that MS will support in WinME but not in Win2000? > Sorry to be going on about it, but I'm a major VMware fan--it's one of the > most useful pieces of software I have. They're at: > > http://www.vmware.com/ I bet it's cool. But a question is assuming I only had one NIC card. Would this card actually be used by Win2k, the FreeBSD or is it used by something else? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 27 16:15:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01816 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:15:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02767; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAB02677; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02659; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA42536; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:14:18 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:14:18 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: System Resources (RE: Is Memory just Memory) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > Some of this code dates back to Windows 1.0. Remember the 286? > > > That's true... I wonder why Win9x never increased the System > > Resources limit or made it variable depending on how much physical memory > > you had since a 286 only can handle about 1 meg of RAM while machines > > these days can handle up to 4 gig. > > Because it's still 286 code! 16-bit, not 32-bit. Win9x has quite a mix of > the two. Yeah, that's true since it's basically 1/2 an OS since it loads on top of DOS. > > The thing is during the Windows 3.0 days, there weren't many Win > > apps so most of the stuff was still DOS based. Even in Windows/286 and > > Windows/386 v2.0, there weren't any Windows apps except for a few and > > mostly DOS apps. That was the reason people ran DesqView. Does something > > like Agent 95, RAM Doubler still exist? I know SoftRAM was a Hoax but I > > thought all the ones you mentioned were really supposed to be just virtual > > memory products and not resource limit hacks. > > RAM Doubler started out as a Mac product which primarily did RAM compression > as an alternative to swapping memory to disk. Connectix (www.connectix.com) > still sells the Mac version, but the Windows version and Agent 95 are no > longer on the market. RAM Doubler for Windows did some RAM compression, but > since Win31 had decent virtual memory already, its main focus was relieving > the 64K system resource limits, using a variety of VxD tricks to do this. > Agent 95 was a follow-on for Windows 95. It did some of the system resource > stuff, but that wasn't needed as much for Windows 95--back then people were > delighted to have 32Mb in a machine, so with the modest system resource > improvements that Win95 had on its own, you would tend to run out of system > resources about the same time you ran out of memory. > > But now you've got what, 320K on your ThinkPad? Oops! Like I went on and on > about in my other message, it's definitely Win2K and VMware for you... Actually Win95 managed resources way better than Win98/98SE did. I'm sure Win2k and VMware is a good combo. =) But my question is that assuming all my hardware is already compatible with Win2k. There seems to be a few dos apps that might or not run with win2k. Now the other question is assuming I am running win2k, vmware and freebsd under the vmware window. Which one will get control of the networking? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Mar 27 16:39:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02044 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:39:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05125; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:38:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05010; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04997; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:38:57 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.47 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:38:51 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01bf9834$f2c855c0$2f62183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <000001bf9814$3b91ec10$1b00a8c0@dallas> Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:39:34 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "If you require any of these programs to run the system properly over a period of time, then there are several applications that should be removed and deleted from the computer...While people are busy slamming win95/98 for leaking the resources, it's not win9X thats causing the problem, its an errant app (or two) that does it" This may be true for general GDI leaks, but I frequently find my system grinding to a snail's pace when all it is running is W95 and Internet Explorer (the latter *is* part of the OS, isn't it?-) If I then run a memory app like freemem, suddenly everything springs back to life. I like Mike Geary's suggestion for VMware - I've seen it on a colleague's machine, and it is quite impressive - but my machines are currently sufficiently slow that I can't afford the 15-20% performance hit. Maybe next machine... - David R. From cph Mon Mar 27 17:37:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02567 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:37:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10259; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:04 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10102; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10088; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:36:01 -0500 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000327223600.ETXE14153.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:36:00 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad list" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:51:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <38DF4B2F.24510.366F32C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002901bf8fa1$1a6386a0$b162183f@math.hawaii.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi David For added strain relief, I find an application of "Shoe-Goo" around the cord on the outside at the base suffices very well. Shoe-Goo is like real thick rubber cement. Tom At 2000 March 16 - Thursday 13:41, David Ross spoke about *Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - r...* saying ... > Of course, once I'm done the thing will be nowhere near as robust or > nice as it was (after all, I've decimated the strain-relief bit), and in ... ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Mon Mar 27 19:12:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03236 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:12:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18896; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:11:27 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18736; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18722; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:11:25 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.233 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf9849$d1fe4600$e9fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: My 560 is just to HOT! Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:08:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to think of a way to help my 560 run cooler. I got one of those pcmcia cooling fans which worked, but ruined my pcmcia slot. I have to transfer several hundred megs of data, and it seems to crash after about 10 hours or so. The 560 seems very hot. I was thinking about drilling some vents into the case.... but any ideas would be appreciated. Brad From cph Mon Mar 27 19:33:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03369 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:33:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20575; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20474; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20459; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:43 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax31.vramp.net [198.138.8.94]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA89661; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" Subject: RE: My 560 is just to HOT! Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <000b01bf9849$d1fe4600$e9fb163f@default> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: If you haven't done it already, try removing the battery and leaving it out. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 7:09 PM > To: Think > Subject: My 560 is just to HOT! > > > I'm trying to think of a way to help my 560 run cooler. I got one of those > pcmcia > cooling fans which worked, but ruined my pcmcia slot. I have to transfer > several > hundred megs of data, and it seems to crash after about 10 hours or so. The > 560 > seems very hot. I was thinking about drilling some vents into the case.... > but any > ideas would be appreciated. > > Brad > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Mar 27 22:06:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04314 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:06:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00804; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00532; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00512; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.leading.net (207.98.192.90 -> smtp.leading.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:44 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-28.fdn.com [216.199.4.42]) by smtp.leading.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20956; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E04A62.33F0@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:00:02 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: WTB: Used Thinkpad (Whats up with the high prices!?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everyone, I am again looking for a used IBM Thinkpad laptop computer, at a good, fair price? Anyone have a used unit forsale cheap? Please don't offer me a 486 for $300, everyone here knows that is a bad deal. I look forward to replies! Thanks Jimmy -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Mon Mar 27 23:46:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04792 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:46:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06210; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:44:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05893; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05880; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:44:18 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.17 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:43:55 -0800 Message-ID: <001401bf9870$53db3fe0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <000b01bf9849$d1fe4600$e9fb163f@default> Subject: Re: My 560 is just to HOT! Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:44:37 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "The 560 seems very hot. I was thinking about drilling some vents into the case.... but any ideas would be appreciated." Do *not* drill holes in your case, the 560 is already at the thin edge (so to speak) of structural integrity, you will probably end up sooner or later with a genuinely broken machine. My 560 is on nearly all the time, in what is likely a warmer environment than yours, without problem. Two things I do are (a) run a cooling program (Rain, though CPUIdle, Waterfall, etc seem equally good), and (b) keep the machine on a heat-dissipating base with lots of circulation around it (sometimes a metal desktop, sometimes a Levenger lapdesk). I understand that the pivoting laptop holders (for presentations) allow circulation under the laptop. - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From cph Mon Mar 27 23:55:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04834 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:55:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06984; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06878; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06865; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:06 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.17 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: <003401bf9871$b7320be0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <38DF4B2F.24510.366F32C@localhost> Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:54:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, What I eventually did was put a quick-release electrical connector on the wires coming out of the brick, and fused it to the brick with JB Weld. Looks terrible, but solid as a rock, and gives me something that every power brick should have from day one, a way to disconnect *both* the AC-in cable *and* the DC-out cable. The shoe-goo sounds like a good idea on the next brick, *before* it goes bad at the strain-release point. BTW, is there any difference between shoe-goo, plumbers-goo, household-goo, or any of the other goos this company sells in different packaging? - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Trottier" To: "David Ross" ; "ThinkPad list" Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Hi David For added strain relief, I find an application of "Shoe-Goo" around the cord on the outside at the base suffices very well. Shoe-Goo is like real thick rubber cement. Tom At 2000 March 16 - Thursday 13:41, David Ross spoke about *Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - r...* saying ... > Of course, once I'm done the thing will be nowhere near as robust or > nice as it was (after all, I've decimated the strain-relief bit), and in ... ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Mar 28 03:24:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05445 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:24:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17335; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:22:36 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17119; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17106; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:22:34 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.45 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:22:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001801bf988e$ddba1100$2d62183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Cc: References: <000b01bf9849$d1fe4600$e9fb163f@default> <001401bf9870$53db3fe0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <38E046E7.9080165C@uswest.net> Subject: Re: My 560 is just to HOT! Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:23:13 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: After my recent remark about cooling programs on this list, I have been getting lots of mail asking for more information or download sites. A discussion (and comparison) appears in http://www.benchtest.com/cooler.html (I think this is a bit dated now). The program I use (Rain) has been discontinued by the author (who also wrote Waterfall, which I like less), but is still available at http://www.processor.org/files.htm Note this is only relevant for users of W95 and W98 on Pentium-class chips. Most other operating systems already include the functionality of these programs, and the extra HLT instructions won't do anything for other chips (e.g., 486-class chips). - David R. From cph Tue Mar 28 03:54:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05504 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19886; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:05 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19729; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19716; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:54:02 -0500 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21506; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:53:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05241; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:53:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 9:53:00 +0000 To: Michael Geary , Vincent Poy Cc: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Virtual Machines - vmware MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA05505 Yes vmware looks like the dog's danglies (apart from using so much RAM!), I've got a few questions myself (having read the online docs and downloaded the software): Say you have a number of partitions with linux, w95, NT4 etc in them, do they stay 'as is' so you can boot each O/S native if you need to? Can you run 10 copies of MSDOS all at once? What about reliability - have you found that a virtual machine can crash the host Linux? - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Virtual Machines and Old Apps (RE: Is Memory just Memory Author: MIME:Vincent Poy at INTERNET Date: 3/27/00 9:13 PM On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on > > > that thing and you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. > > > > I would if Microsoft would run all the apps that I had... That's > > the problem. > > I use VMware for stuff like that. App requires Win95--or would DOS 6 be > better? No problem, you can set up as many virtual machines as you want. > VMware supports these OSes in virtual machines: Win2K, NT4, Windows 3.1, 95, > and 98, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6, Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera, Corel, > and TurboLinux, and FreeBSD 2.2x and 3.x. Now that's pretty cool indeed. Does it require it's own partition or does it just install in the Win2k partition? > Each virtual machine operates like a physical machine on the inside--it has > a Phoenix BIOS and boots from floppy or CD-ROM, etc.--but it runs as an > application under the Windows 2000/NT4 or Linux host operating system on the > physical machine. You can run multiple virtual machines at once and network > them together with each other and with the host OS. Interesting. > If an app requires unusual hardware, VMware won't be the solution. It > emulates fairly vanilla, typical PC hardware in its virtual machines. But if > the app just requires an old or different OS, VMware is just the ticket. You > can even get your app running in a virtual machine and then suspend it to > disk, so you can just do a quick resume later on with the app already > running--don't even have to boot up the virtual machine. Hmm, but what about for things that MS will support in WinME but not in Win2000? > Sorry to be going on about it, but I'm a major VMware fan--it's one of the > most useful pieces of software I have. They're at: > > http://www.vmware.com/ I bet it's cool. But a question is assuming I only had one NIC card. Would this card actually be used by Win2k, the FreeBSD or is it used by something else? 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To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:14:00 +0000 () Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to specify the boot sequence for the TP 560x. I.e., the if I can tell the system to try to boot of the CD, then floppy, then harddisk. I looked in the BIOS setup (F1 during boot), but I didn't see an option to do this. Is there a different place to do this? I am trying to install Red Hat 6.1 on my system and I am having big problems using their pcmcia boot disk. It eventually recognized my CD, but doesn't like the CD itself. Please also mail me directly - I get this in digest form, so I wouldn't get your answers until next day otherwise, and since I'm stuck in the middle of this procedure, I'd be interested in your suggestions as soon as I can get them. Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak - Veritas filia a temporis - From cph Tue Mar 28 08:40:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA06453 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:40:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06393; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:36:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06294; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06281; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.190 -> f190.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:36:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 53531 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2000 13:35:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000328133559.53530.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 167.70.221.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:35:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [167.70.221.11] From: "Geoff Waters" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:35:59 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Mar 28 08:44:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA06473 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:44:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07058; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06978; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06965; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:57 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id IAA21606 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:56 -0500 (EST) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gvn-vty42.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gvn-vty42.as.wcom.net [216.192.148.42]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA21595; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:28:04 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6311.000328@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Computer-Guru CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: Used Thinkpad (Whats up with the high prices!?) In-reply-To: <38E04A62.33F0@southeast.net> References: <38E04A62.33F0@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 12:00:02 AM, Computer-Guru wrote: CG> I am again looking for a used IBM Thinkpad laptop computer, at a good, CG> fair price? Anyone have a used unit forsale cheap? Please don't offer me CG> a 486 for $300, everyone here knows that is a bad deal. Hmm. I didn't know that would be a bad deal. I've got a 755CE with a 486 in it, the maximum memory the unit will take, and a 5Gig HD. I'm planning to install Linux on it, as soon as I have some spare time, and a PCMCIA SCSI card and make it a disk server on my home network. I figure that just in spare parts, it's worth more than $300. Ron. From cph Tue Mar 28 10:09:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA06992 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:09:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14657; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14412; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14398; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA01430; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Geoff Waters cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20000328133559.53530.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Geoff Waters wrote: > Unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Tue Mar 28 11:05:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07327 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:05:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19952; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:04:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19789; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19772; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200003281604.LAA19772@cs.utk.edu> Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (206.81.128.1 -> slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:04:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 4891 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2000 15:50:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 2612 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2000 15:49:02 -0000 Received: from adialup102.slkc.uswest.net (HELO mellor) (209.181.85.102) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 15:49:02 -0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:42:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: handwriting recognition 730t Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) List-Unsubscribe: My 730t has at best 20% errors on the handwriting recognition is this normal or is there a way to improve it. I have run through the handwriting trainer but it still is not accurate. any help welcome From cph Tue Mar 28 11:13:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07409 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:13:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20814; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:11:34 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20593; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20571; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:11:28 -0500 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A90559E800F6; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:08:37 -0500 Message-ID: <02df01bf98e9$4d33b720$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Are there battery utilities for the 730T? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:10:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I know someone asked this question but I can't find the reply. Is there a utility to discharge the batteries and then recharge them for peak performance? Also, I have tried to use a 32mb dram in the 730T and it will not recognize it. So I guess that the limit is 24 mb total. Does anybody have any extra batteries that they want to get rid of along with the bulk charger? It will not recharge while operating in the docking station. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Tue Mar 28 12:18:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07736 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:18:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27275; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:29 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26811; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26786; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:27 -0500 Received: from [139.142.112.224] (helo=139-142-112-224.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12ZzbN-0001Cw-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:16:25 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock II and accessories for sale Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:50:14 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have a Dock II for sale. Probably the Dock II itself isn't that interesting for many, but I have a few things that may be hard to find: -- the 701 adaptor -- the diskette drive cable -- the internal IDE adaptor cable ! -- an internal (ISA) IBM wake-up on LAN ethernet card. -- the unit is complete, with two keys. I do not have the docs or the diskettes for the 701 adaptor. Nor are they available from IBM. The reason I am selling this is that I never got it to work the way I wanted it. I had to turn off all the SCSI BIOS stuff. Finally, I got it to work with a 701C in my home network, but even then, after suspending the 701, the only way I could get back into the network on reawakening was to reboot the 701. Evidently a bug in the IBM ethernet card. No help from IBM, of course. My more comfortable solution is to use a PCMCIA Ethernet card in the 701C. I still can't install software from a CD (except across the home network, for those softwares which allow it), but the heck with it. For a while I had an SCSI CD-ROM, but it (barely) didn't fit in the case, so I sold it without trying to install it. I'm in Nanaimo, BC, Canada. I'm willing to entertain offers for parts of this unit. If nothing suits my fancy, I'll put it for sale on ebay. I apologize to putting a sale notice on the list, but several of the accessories have caused salivation in other threads. If you wish to bid or ask questions, please email me. -- cheers Jonathan From cph Tue Mar 28 12:18:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07743 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:18:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27272; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:29 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26812; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26785; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:16:26 -0500 Received: from [139.142.112.224] (helo=139-142-112-224.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12ZzbL-0001Cw-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:16:24 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: Used Thinkpad (Whats up with the high prices!?) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:45:59 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <38E04A62.33F0@southeast.net> <6311.000328@falkor.chi.il.us> In-Reply-To: <6311.000328@falkor.chi.il.us> Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: You're right, Ron. $us 300 isn't a bad price for a complete 701C 75 MHz in good condition with, let's say 40 MB of RAM. Even with the original hard drive. Just don't run too many apps in your System Tray (another topic!). >Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 12:00:02 AM, Computer-Guru wrote: >CG> I am again looking for a used IBM Thinkpad laptop computer, at a good, >CG> fair price? Anyone have a used unit forsale cheap? Please don't offer me >CG> a 486 for $300, everyone here knows that is a bad deal. > >Hmm. I didn't know that would be a bad deal. I've got a 755CE with a >486 in it, the maximum memory the unit will take, and a 5Gig HD. I'm >planning to install Linux on it, as soon as I have some spare time, >and a PCMCIA SCSI card and make it a disk server on my home network. I >figure that just in spare parts, it's worth more than $300. > >Ron. > > > > -- cheers Jonathan From cph Tue Mar 28 14:06:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08435 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:06:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05628; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:03:37 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05409; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05395; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:03:34 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17709; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:03:31 -0600 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200003281903.NAA17709@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP 560x] specify boot from CD? To: benkoh@stanford.edu (Benjamin Koh) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:03:31 +0000 () Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38E0EE6D.DA713EAB@stanford.edu> from "Benjamin Koh" at Mar 28, 2000 09:39:57 AM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, > AFAIK the 560X can't boot from a non-native (BIOS supported) device, so > a PC card CDROM is not going to work. You can boot off a PC Card hard > drive I think. But to my knowledge the 560x cannot boot off a CDROM. I > have a 560x, and my CDROM is SCSI, so I'm 99.999% sure it's not bootable > - never tried it either. Yup, that's my conclusion now too. > I tried RH 5.1, and got it working, but there were/are no drivers for my > CDROM/Network card so I gave up. Now someone wrote drivers for the > network card but there are still no CDROM drivers. Sigh. Really, no CDROM drivers? What type of CDROM do you have? I have the IBM external drive, picked it up for $99 refurb'ed. Works fine (once Linux is running). I was running 5.2 for over a year on this system. > You can change the boot sequence in Easy Setup - upon cold boot, hold > down F1. From there follow the menus. Got it .. the problem before was that I didn't have any of the peripherals plugged in, hence that option was grayed out. Thanks, Esmail PS: I'm trying an install from the Harddisk now, I cleared out some space on the Win95 side and copied the CD there. Hopefully that will work. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Mar 28 14:48:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08828 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:48:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09109; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:04 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08986; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08973; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:02 -0500 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000328194701.NZZS14153.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:47:01 -0800 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "David Ross" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:47:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: "ThinkPad mailing list" Message-ID: <38E0C5E5.18609.F05D3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003401bf9871$b7320be0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi David At 2000 March 27 - Monday 18:54, David Ross spoke about *Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable?...* saying ... > BTW, is there any difference between shoe-goo, plumbers-goo, > household-goo, or any of the other goos this company sells in > different packaging? Dunno, Tom ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Mar 28 14:59:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08922 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10248; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10126; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10113; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.31 -> www0b.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:59:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 24226 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2000 19:59:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000328195917.24225.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.31 by www0b for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue Mar 28 19:59:17 GMT 2000 Date: 28 Mar 00 13:59:17 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Parts availability [OT] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA08923 This is slightly off-topic, but where better to ask a PCMCIA question? :-) Does anyone know of a place that sells new or used dongles for Xircom CreditCard Ethernet PCMCIA cards? I have a 10/100 card but no 10/100 dongle. I know about Ebay, but I didn't find the version I needed available. I also know that Xircom sells them direct, but they are a little expensive that way. I'm hoping for used. Thanks for any suggestions. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue Mar 28 15:15:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09079 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:15:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11825; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:13:42 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11616; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11598; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:13:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 6978 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2000 20:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000328201325.6977.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [4.54.169.217] by web120.yahoomail.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:13:25 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Are there battery utilities for the 730T? To: Mike Lingenfelter Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Yep, 20/24Mb. If you go to Insight's web page and select the Viking configurator it tells the amount of memory in the machine and how much you can add along with the part number of memory to add to increase it. http://config.vikingcomponents.com/insight/details.asp?ConfigID=15710 --- Mike Lingenfelter > > Also, I have tried to use a 32mb dram in the 730T > and it will not recognize > it. So I guess that the limit is 24 mb total. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue Mar 28 15:34:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09225 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:34:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13841; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:33:07 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13665; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13652; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:33:05 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-161.cisco.com [171.69.70.161]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id MAA05151; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:33:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E116AF.92F2EABB@ricochet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:31:43 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Parts availability [OT] References: <20000328195917.24225.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Have you tried http://www.pcmciacables.com Yet? They're not an on-line seller, but their page gives their 800 number as: 1-888-889-9990 That's +1-714-258-0110 for you foreign-types. From cph Tue Mar 28 16:37:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09613 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:37:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20181; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:35:25 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19942; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19929; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:35:23 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu - 63.24.98.84 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:35:15 -0800 Message-ID: <004b01bf98fd$9cb33000$5462183f@math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <20000328195917.24225.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Parts availability [OT] Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:35:58 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You are in luck, I just saw this 2 days ago, and even remember it: http://www.centrix-intl.com/, click on 'Misc and Cables'. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bell" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Parts availability [OT] This is slightly off-topic, but where better to ask a PCMCIA question? :-) Does anyone know of a place that sells new or used dongles for Xircom CreditCard Ethernet PCMCIA cards? I have a 10/100 card but no 10/100 dongle. I know about Ebay, but I didn't find the version I needed available. I also know that Xircom sells them direct, but they are a little expensive that way. I'm hoping for used. Thanks for any suggestions. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue Mar 28 16:44:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09680 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:44:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21066; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:43:09 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20964; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20931; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:43:00 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.29) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 28 Mar 2000 16:39:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bf98ff$738bfde0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Will 730T HDD work in the 760ED? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:49:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF98D5.888D97A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF98D5.888D97A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I picked up a cheap 730T and am wondering if the HDD from the 730T = is supposed to fit, and work in the 760ED. It seemed like only one way = of putting the little drive in, but when I pushed it all the way in, the = eject buttons did not pop out and I had to pull it out with a = screwdriver. I wanted to put this into my 760ED, place cab files on the = drive, and install from the 730. Any ideas? Which way *should* the HDD = go? =20 Thanks! -Jamie- ---------------------------------------- Those who know don't say, Those who say don't know. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF98D5.888D97A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I picked up a cheap = 730T and am=20 wondering if the HDD from the 730T is supposed to fit, and work in the = 760ED. It=20 seemed like only one way of putting the little drive in, but when I = pushed it=20 all the way in, the eject buttons did not pop out and I had to pull it = out with=20 a screwdriver. I wanted to put this into my 760ED, place cab files on = the drive,=20 and install from the 730. Any ideas? Which way *should* the HDD=20 go?   
 
Thanks!
-Jamie-
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF98D5.888D97A0-- From cph Tue Mar 28 18:26:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10453 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:26:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29461; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:45 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29312; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29299; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:43 -0500 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-176.fdn.com [216.199.4.190]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17573 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E1680C.29EF@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:18:52 -0800 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB: pcmcia port cover Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone here have an extra port cover that goes over the pcmcia ports on a ibm thinkpad 755c? Also, how about the cover over the docking station port?? I would like to buy the covers to make my old unit look nicer, and protect the workings of it. Please let me know/ Thanks Jimmy -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Tue Mar 28 19:14:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10791 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:14:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02701; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:13:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02574; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02552; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:13:39 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA22260; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Adam Quantrill" Cc: "David Ross" , Subject: Re: VMware Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > > I use VMware for stuff like that. App requires Win95--or would DOS 6 > > be better? No problem, you can set up as many virtual machines as you > > want. VMware supports these OSes in virtual machines: Win2K, NT4, > > Windows 3.1, 95, and 98, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6, Red Hat, > > SuSE, Caldera, Corel, and TurboLinux, and FreeBSD 2.2x and 3.x. > Now that's pretty cool indeed. Does it require it's own partition > or does it just install in the Win2k partition? Either way. VMware itself just installs in Program Files like any other app, and each virtual machine has one or disks that it uses. These disks can be virtual disks, which reside inside an ordinary Windows file on the host OS, or they can be physical disks or partitions. They can optionally be nonpersistent or undoable (when you power off the VM, VMware will discard your changes or ask you whether to save them). > > If an app requires unusual hardware, VMware won't be the solution. It > > emulates fairly vanilla, typical PC hardware in its virtual machines... > Hmm, but what about for things that MS will support in WinME but > not in Win2000? If you have a piece of hardware that Windows 2000 does not support, then generally you won't be able to get to it from the VMs either. For example, if your network card has a Win98 driver but no Windows 2000 driver, then if you boot Win98 in a VM it won't be able to use the card either. You'd have to boot Win98 natively to use it. Serial and parallel printers and external modems are a different story. A friend of mine has a printer that Windows 2000 doesn't support (or didn't at the time he told me about this), but Windows 98 does. So he runs Win98 in a VM under Windows 2000. He installed the printer driver on Win98 and made it sharable, so he can print to it across the virtual network from his Windows 2000 host system. This works because Windows 2000 and VMware support the parallel port, so the Win98 printer driver inside the VM is able to talk to the physical printer. > I bet [VMware is] cool. But a question is assuming I only had one NIC > card. Would this card actually be used by Win2k, the FreeBSD or is it > used by something else? Windows 2000 owns the physical card and runs its networking just the same as before. Each VM has a virtual AMD network card, and the guest OS sees that instead of the physical card. VMware sets up a virtual network connecting all guest OS's and the host. This network is bridged to the physical network card, so the virtual network just looks like part of the physical network. You can also set up a host-only network, which doesn't bridge the traffic between the virtual network and the physical card (and doesn't require any physical network card). Then on the host the virtual network just shows up as another network connection. You can run routing or NAT or whatever on the host if you want, or just leave the two networks disconnected from each other. > Say you have a number of partitions with linux, w95, NT4 etc in > them, do they stay 'as is' so you can boot each O/S native if you need to? You can do this, but you need to set up separate hardware profiles in the guest OS for "native boot" and "booting in a VM". The VM has its own set of hardware devices that are different from the physical machine, and when you boot the previously installed Win98 (for example) in the VM, it will detect the different hardware in the VM. Anyway, www.vmware.com should have answers to most any other questions, and I'll be happy to kick it around with anyone, but maybe we should take it off the ThinkPad list in case anyone finds it to be annoyingly off-topic. (The ThinkPad connection is that VMware is the answer to the question, "How can I use my ThinkPad to replace my office full of desktop systems?" ) -Mike From cph Wed Mar 29 01:00:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12585 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:00:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22484; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:51:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22272; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22259; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:51:44 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.29) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 29 Mar 2000 00:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: <024c01bf9943$c9f68c60$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Driver for HDD controller in 730T Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:58:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I installed a fresh install of Win95a onto my 730T, however Win95 see's the Hard Disk controller as a 'standard IDE/ESDI HD controller'. The problem with this is that it has a yellow explanation point over it and in Control Panel->System->Performance, it tells me that I'm using MSDOS compatibility mode file system. What *should* the HDD driver be? Thanks, -Jamie ---------------------------------------- Those who know don't say, Those who say don't know. From cph Wed Mar 29 01:54:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12960 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25199; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:53:41 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25043; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25027; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:53:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27654; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:53:38 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:53:38 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VMware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > I use VMware for stuff like that. App requires Win95--or would DOS 6 > > > be better? No problem, you can set up as many virtual machines as you > > > want. VMware supports these OSes in virtual machines: Win2K, NT4, > > > Windows 3.1, 95, and 98, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, DOS 6, Red Hat, > > > SuSE, Caldera, Corel, and TurboLinux, and FreeBSD 2.2x and 3.x. > > > Now that's pretty cool indeed. Does it require it's own partition > > or does it just install in the Win2k partition? > > Either way. VMware itself just installs in Program Files like any other app, > and each virtual machine has one or disks that it uses. These disks can be > virtual disks, which reside inside an ordinary Windows file on the host OS, > or they can be physical disks or partitions. They can optionally be > nonpersistent or undoable (when you power off the VM, VMware will discard > your changes or ask you whether to save them). So you can actually run Linux inside a virtual file under the NTFS in the same partition as Win2000? > > > If an app requires unusual hardware, VMware won't be the solution. It > > > emulates fairly vanilla, typical PC hardware in its virtual machines... > > > Hmm, but what about for things that MS will support in WinME but > > not in Win2000? > > If you have a piece of hardware that Windows 2000 does not support, then > generally you won't be able to get to it from the VMs either. For example, > if your network card has a Win98 driver but no Windows 2000 driver, then if > you boot Win98 in a VM it won't be able to use the card either. You'd have > to boot Win98 natively to use it. Actually, I wasn't referring to Win98. I'm talking about WinME which is Windows Millennium Edition, originally called Windows 2000 until NT5.0 was renamed to Windows 2000 so WinME basically is Win98 Third Edition but has a new TCP/IP stack and is somewhere between Win98SE and Win2000. > Serial and parallel printers and external modems are a different story. A > friend of mine has a printer that Windows 2000 doesn't support (or didn't at > the time he told me about this), but Windows 98 does. So he runs Win98 in a > VM under Windows 2000. He installed the printer driver on Win98 and made it > sharable, so he can print to it across the virtual network from his Windows > 2000 host system. Interesting but the question is how do you do the virtual network. Suppose I only had One NIC and under Win2000, I already have the NIC setted up... How will the VM Linux and Win98 handle the NIC or can they all just use a different IP? > This works because Windows 2000 and VMware support the parallel port, so the > Win98 printer driver inside the VM is able to talk to the physical printer. Interesting. > > I bet [VMware is] cool. But a question is assuming I only had one NIC > > card. Would this card actually be used by Win2k, the FreeBSD or is it > > used by something else? > > Windows 2000 owns the physical card and runs its networking just the same as > before. Each VM has a virtual AMD network card, and the guest OS sees that > instead of the physical card. VMware sets up a virtual network connecting > all guest OS's and the host. This network is bridged to the physical network > card, so the virtual network just looks like part of the physical network. Interesting. AMD Card? I'm not even sure FreeBSD has drivers for AMD NIC cards. > You can also set up a host-only network, which doesn't bridge the traffic > between the virtual network and the physical card (and doesn't require any > physical network card). Then on the host the virtual network just shows up > as another network connection. You can run routing or NAT or whatever on the > host if you want, or just leave the two networks disconnected from each > other. Interesting. > > Say you have a number of partitions with linux, w95, NT4 etc in > > them, do they stay 'as is' so you can boot each O/S native if you need to? > > You can do this, but you need to set up separate hardware profiles in the > guest OS for "native boot" and "booting in a VM". The VM has its own set of > hardware devices that are different from the physical machine, and when you > boot the previously installed Win98 (for example) in the VM, it will detect > the different hardware in the VM. Interesting... > Anyway, www.vmware.com should have answers to most any other questions, and > I'll be happy to kick it around with anyone, but maybe we should take it off > the ThinkPad list in case anyone finds it to be annoyingly off-topic. (The > ThinkPad connection is that VMware is the answer to the question, "How can I > use my ThinkPad to replace my office full of desktop systems?" ) Yeah, it's like one ThinkPad can probably replace the entire LAN almost! Assuming we had the diskspace and ram. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Wed Mar 29 01:55:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12964 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:55:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25254; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25134; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25118; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (194.112.47.223 -> microvst.dircon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:54:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:30:39 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001429@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E Model Identification? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 9 List-Unsubscribe: Could someone tell me what are the differences between the 2645-4AU and the 2645-8AU models of the 600E? At the moment they are both on auction as newly refurbished units with 1 year warranties, but I can't spot any differences in the descriptions and I don't see anywhere on the IBM site to explain this either. Thanks, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Mar 29 04:08:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA13315 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:08:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02761; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:05:32 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02436; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02413; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:05:30 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-32.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.32]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA28763; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000329041119.013bfab0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:11:19 -0800 To: tgold@panix.com From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 600E Model Identification? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2001429@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:30 AM 03/29/2000 BST, you wrote: >Could someone tell me what are the differences between the 2645-4AU >and the 2645-8AU models of the 600E? At the moment they are both on >auction as newly refurbished units with 1 year warranties, but I >can't spot any differences in the descriptions and I don't see >anywhere on the IBM site to explain this either. 26454AU: PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 26458AU: PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and the other comes with NT. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 29 05:31:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA13561 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:31:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09324; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:28:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09208; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09195; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:28:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:14:43 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001432@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E Model Identification? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 25 List-Unsubscribe: In message <3.0.6.32.20000329041119.013bfab0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mark Bell writes: > At 07:30 AM 03/29/2000 BST, you wrote: > >Could someone tell me what are the differences between the 2645-4AU > >and the 2645-8AU models of the 600E? At the moment they are both on > >auction as newly refurbished units with 1 year warranties, but I > >can't spot any differences in the descriptions and I don't see > >anywhere on the IBM site to explain this either. > > 26454AU: > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 > > 26458AU: > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT > > They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and > the other comes with NT. Many thanks, Mark. As both machines on auction now come equipped with Win98, I understand why I couldn't spot any differences :-) Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Mar 29 05:53:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA13616 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:53:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10348; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:51:32 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10263; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10192; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:51:20 -0500 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05243; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:50:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27208; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:50:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:50:00 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Computer-Guru Subject: Re: WTB: pcmcia port cover MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA13617 I've got both - if you can't find anyone in the States to supply you. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: WTB: pcmcia port cover Author: MIME:Computer-Guru at INTERNET Date: 3/29/00 11:30 PM Anyone here have an extra port cover that goes over the pcmcia ports on a ibm thinkpad 755c? Also, how about the cover over the docking station port?? I would like to buy the covers to make my old unit look nicer, and protect the workings of it. Please let me know/ Thanks Jimmy -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Mar 29 08:20:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14308 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16259; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:17:04 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16075; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16060; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:17:01 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27763 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Another question about trackpoint caps Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bf9981$078a5380$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: There have been many messages about availability of trackpoint caps, but unfortunately I haven't saved them. Now I want to buy some. I'm mostly interested in the cat's tongue red, but also am curious about the eraser type - any opinions? Mostly, though, I'm seeking information on availability at a good price. Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net From cph Wed Mar 29 08:23:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14335 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:23:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16646; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:21:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16517; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16503; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:21:06 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA29206 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:21:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: <001801bf9981$99b6fb00$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net From cph Wed Mar 29 09:05:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14463 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:05:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20423; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:02:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20080; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20063; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-26.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.26]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17269 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:02:29 +0300 Message-Id: <200003291402.RAA17269@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:02:28 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001701bf9981$078a5380$0200a8c0@Laptop> Subject: Re: Another question about trackpoint caps X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: Here is a recent post on comp.sys.laptops that adresses your question: http://x34.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=601988754 If by eraser type you mean the smooth one, I can tell you I definitely prefer the cat's tongue model. But in the end, it's probably a matter of personal preference. Cheers, Dominique On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 at 08:16 AM you, "Jeffrey Baker" , said: >There have been many messages about availability of trackpoint caps, but >unfortunately I haven't saved them. Now I want to buy some. I'm mostly >interested in the cat's tongue red, but also am curious about the eraser >type - any opinions? Mostly, though, I'm seeking information on >availability at a good price. Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net From cph Wed Mar 29 09:17:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14512 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:17:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21775; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:16:03 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21543; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21523; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:16:00 -0500 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax31.vramp.net [198.138.8.94]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05156; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:16:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) Message-ID: <005601bf9989$0d17b510$5e088ac6@jz2q77qjkfu543> From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Adam Quantrill" , , "Computer-Guru" References: Subject: Re: WTB: pcmcia port cover Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:14:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: They're both also available from IBM, nor are they expensive. Regards, James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Quantrill" To: ; "Computer-Guru" Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 6:50 AM Subject: Re: WTB: pcmcia port cover I've got both - if you can't find anyone in the States to supply you. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: WTB: pcmcia port cover Author: MIME:Computer-Guru at INTERNET Date: 3/29/00 11:30 PM Anyone here have an extra port cover that goes over the pcmcia ports on a ibm thinkpad 755c? Also, how about the cover over the docking station port?? I would like to buy the covers to make my old unit look nicer, and protect the workings of it. Please let me know/ Thanks Jimmy -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Mar 29 10:50:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15168 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:50:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00931; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:49:01 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00734; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00715; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (207.155.252.72 -> thunderer.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:48:54 -0500 Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by thunderer.cnchost.com id KAA21911; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:48:46 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000329074019.00a97250@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:44:10 -0800 To: "Jeffrey Baker" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Another question about trackpoint caps In-Reply-To: <001701bf9981$078a5380$0200a8c0@Laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:16 AM 03/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: >There have been many messages about availability of trackpoint caps, but >unfortunately I haven't saved them. Now I want to buy some. I'm mostly >interested in the cat's tongue red, but also am curious about the eraser >type - any opinions? Mostly, though, I'm seeking information on >availability at a good price. Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net Thanks to another list member (name escapes me) I got hooked into this guy and bought a load of caps from him (hopefully I'll never have to buy caps again--at least for about 5 years). Below is what he had to say--you can contact him at mshvartsman@socal.rr.com. (Obviously, the best bang-for-buck is either the smooth rubber ones or if you prefer Cat's Tongue--I sure do--then just get Black ones and forego all the cutesy colors.) ---------------------------- I am glad to accommodate you. $1.50 is actually the price I charge repeat customers since I don't have to pay eBay fees. Caps come in different colors and, believe it or not, have different cost. The reason I mention it is that I am selling black caps for $0.75 and green caps for $1.25. Red, Blue, Raspberry, and Purple caps are $1.50. Jim B. purchased purple caps of which I sold out. I also don't have blue caps in stock at the moment. The rest I have. See attached photo. All of the above caps are "Cat's Tongue." I also sell red and black smooth-top caps for $0.35. These are the old style caps with a smooth rubber surface (picture attached). Regardless of the quantity, shipping and handling is $0.75 ---------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 29 10:56:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15212 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:56:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03382; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:55:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03281; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from MERCURY.SIGMADATA.COM (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03267; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from MERCURY.SIGMADATA.COM (12.6.229.226 -> mail.sigmadata.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:55:24 -0500 Received: by MERCURY with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1VPXWBXK>; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1777E5CBD1C1D1118BE100600895FFFA43E265@MERCURY> From: Skip Johnson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600X and 256MB memory modules Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone seem these available yet? And if so has anyone tried them? Heard a rumor that they won't work in any of the TP's due to a refresh rate problem. Skip Johnson skip.johnson@sigmadata.com From cph Wed Mar 29 11:48:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15560 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:48:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07784; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:47:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07621; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07607; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.16 -> wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:47:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 5327 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2000 16:47:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000329164717.5325.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Mar 29 16:47:17 GMT 2000 Date: 29 Mar 00 10:47:17 CST From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive Speed? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA15561 Have any of you checked the actual speed of your ThinkPad CD-ROM drive (or DVD)? I just ran a check with a tool called CD-ROM Drive Analyzer v2.1.1, available from ZDNet. It reported that the 24x CD drive on my 770 was running at exactly 12x transfer rate (on a standard software installation CD, not a CD-R or audio CD). This surprised me. If anyone knows of another good tool to accurately test the drive speed of a CD/DVD drive please fill me in. Thanks, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Mar 29 12:21:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15756 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:21:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10355; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10104; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10090; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:42 -0500 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-01.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.107]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA52766 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:40 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000329121730.00d8ad50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:19:47 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Another question about trackpoint caps In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000329074019.00a97250@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <001701bf9981$078a5380$0200a8c0@Laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for reposting that, Randy. One question however: are these really as good as the IBM ones? Has he ever told you where he gets them? Its kinda stupid of me to be hesitant about ordering >from him given how cheap they are. So are they as good as the IBM ones? Thanks, STeve Andre' At 07:44 AM 3/29/00 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 08:16 AM 03/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>There have been many messages about availability of trackpoint caps, but >>unfortunately I haven't saved them. Now I want to buy some. I'm mostly >>interested in the cat's tongue red, but also am curious about the eraser >>type - any opinions? Mostly, though, I'm seeking information on >>availability at a good price. Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net > > Thanks to another list member (name escapes me) I got hooked into > this guy and bought a load of caps from him (hopefully I'll never have to > buy caps again--at least for about 5 years). > > Below is what he had to say--you can contact him at > mshvartsman@socal.rr.com. > > (Obviously, the best bang-for-buck is either the smooth rubber > ones or if you prefer Cat's Tongue--I sure do--then just get Black ones > and forego all the cutesy colors.) > >---------------------------- > >I am glad to accommodate you. $1.50 is actually the price I charge repeat >customers since I don't have to pay eBay fees. Caps come in different >colors and, believe it or not, have different cost. The reason I mention it >is that I am selling black caps for $0.75 and green caps for $1.25. Red, >Blue, Raspberry, and Purple caps are $1.50. Jim B. purchased purple caps of >which I sold out. I also don't have blue caps in stock at the moment. The >rest I have. See attached photo. All of the above caps are "Cat's Tongue." > >I also sell red and black smooth-top caps for $0.35. These are the old >style caps with a smooth rubber surface (picture attached). > >Regardless of the quantity, shipping and handling is $0.75 > >---------------------------- > From cph Wed Mar 29 12:46:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15880 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:46:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12424; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12335; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12320; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.31 -> www0b.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 3518 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2000 17:45:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000329174549.3517.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.31 by www0b for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Mar 29 17:45:49 GMT 2000 Date: 29 Mar 00 11:45:49 CST From: Rob Bell To: Benjamin Koh Subject: Re: ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive Speed? CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA15881 Thanks for the reply. I think I have most of the thing you mention taken into account, which is what surprised me about the results. First, it was running on AC. I have Win2K installed, without the ThinkPad utility software, so I don't think it would be set at anything other than 'normal' or max speed. The software tool used to test the CD actually read the whole disk block-by-block (a full one) and graphed the transfer rate across the disk. As you indicate, the speed was slower on the inside (about 6.5x), but increased to 12x by the middle of the disk and stayed there. There were no places on the disk where transfer speeds exceeded 12x. Thanks, Rob Benjamin Koh wrote: > Full speed is usually achieved only on AC. On battery power the CD is > usually spun more slowly. Also 24x is a misnomer - a true 24X drive > would need a lot of power. 24X usually means the maximum speed, which is > achieved only near the outer edge of the CD. On the inside edge it may > be as slow as 8x. So the 12x is probably an average figure. I have a > drive that is 8x-20x. On battery power it drops to 4.3-10x or something > like that. It's pretty obvious as it's an external unit, and it's louder > and shakes when it's on AC. > > Benjamin > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > Have any of you checked the actual speed of your ThinkPad CD-ROM drive (or > > DVD)? I just ran a check with a tool called CD-ROM Drive Analyzer v2.1.1, > > available from ZDNet. It reported that the 24x CD drive on my 770 was running > > at exactly 12x transfer rate (on a standard software installation CD, not a > > CD-R or audio CD). This surprised me. > > > > If anyone knows of another good tool to accurately test the drive speed of a > > CD/DVD drive please fill me in. > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > > -- > Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Mar 29 13:16:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16047 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:16:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15322; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15109; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15069; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (194.112.47.223 -> microvst.dircon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:09:16 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001434@panix.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600E Model Identification? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 32 List-Unsubscribe: In message <4.2.1.20000329083838.04517e30@127.0.0.1> David Goldman writes: > At 02:14 AM 3/29/2000 , you wrote: > >In message <3.0.6.32.20000329041119.013bfab0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mark Bell writes: > > > At 07:30 AM 03/29/2000 BST, you wrote: > > > 26454AU: > > > > > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 > > > > > > 26458AU: > > > > > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT > > > > > > They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and > > > the other comes with NT. > > > >Many thanks, Mark. As both machines on auction now come equipped > >with Win98, I understand why I couldn't spot any differences :-) > > > The only difference might be that one comes with the IBM pre-load CD for 98 > and the other might come with an unlicensed version of Win98 or a missing > pre-load CD for NT. I'd double check with both sellers to see if the IBM CD > is included or not. Sometimes, it is very useful to have that disk. It looks like this is straight from IBM. See: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000320/02690070.htm at least until the auction ends in about one hour. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Mar 29 13:17:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16062 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:17:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15342; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:15:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15056; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15042; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:14:56 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14402; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: 600E Model Identification? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:14:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2001432@panix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > > 26454AU: > > > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 > > > > 26458AU: > > > > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT > > > > They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and > > the other comes with NT. > > Many thanks, Mark. As both machines on auction now come equipped > with Win98, I understand why I couldn't spot any differences :-) I wouldn't count on the 2645-8AU's having Win98. If the type/model number doesn't match Egghead's description, I'd be inclined to believe the type/model number. An 8AU should have NT packed with it, not Win98. I don't think IBM would send out a factory-sealed box, even for a refurbished machine, with a different operating system from the spec. If they were going to do that, they would change the model number of the machine. Usually they do that on the refurbs anyway, like they did with the 4AU's, which they renumbered as 2645-RRC's. So who knows what those 8AU's may actually turn out to be... -Mike From cph Wed Mar 29 13:19:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16068 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:19:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15969; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:18:36 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15871; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15856; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (194.112.47.223 -> microvst.dircon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:18:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:17:07 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001435@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600E Model Identification? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 10 List-Unsubscribe: In message "Michael Geary" writes: > I wouldn't count on the 2645-8AU's having Win98. If the type/model number > doesn't match Egghead's description, I'd be inclined to believe the > type/model number. Noted and thanks. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Mar 29 13:35:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16199 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:35:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17712; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17538; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17524; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:45 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.012) id 38DFDA97000541F7 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:33:40 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2001432@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:33:36 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: BEWARE EGGHEAD (Was: RE: 600E Model Identification?) List-Unsubscribe: >> > 26454AU: >> > >> > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 >> > >> > 26458AU: >> > >> > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT >> > >> > They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and >> > the other comes with NT. >> >> Many thanks, Mark. As both machines on auction now come equipped >> with Win98, I understand why I couldn't spot any differences :-) > >I wouldn't count on the 2645-8AU's having Win98. If the type/model number >doesn't match Egghead's description, I'd be inclined to believe the >type/model number. An 8AU should have NT packed with it, not Win98. I don't >think IBM would send out a factory-sealed box, even for a refurbished >machine, with a different operating system from the spec. If they were going >to do that, they would change the model number of the machine. Usually they >do that on the refurbs anyway, like they did with the 4AU's, which they >renumbered as 2645-RRC's. So who knows what those 8AU's may actually turn >out to be... Beware Egghead!!! They told me that my 365 had a built-in CD-ROM drive, but they were WRONG!!! They didn't give me enough money as an offset to buy an external CD-ROM drive!!! I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from Egghead again!!! --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 29 14:07:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16389 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:07:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20434; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:01:31 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20308; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20286; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:01:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA38828; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:18 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:18 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jeffrey Baker cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <001801bf9981$99b6fb00$0200a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Jeffrey Baker wrote: > I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, > and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary > screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM > was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm > accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to > belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net I run lots of apps under W98 and I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z with the 128 meg upgrade twice. The first one putting it up to 256MB helped a little and was a NEC Module. The second time, it was a Micron module. I wonder if there is any performance differences between the two since the second time even after going to 320 MB's, it didn't seem to make a difference. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Wed Mar 29 14:34:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16638 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:34:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23608; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:31:45 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23440; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23415; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:31:33 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax18.vramp.net [198.138.8.81]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26068; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:32:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Michelle Klein-Hass" , Subject: RE: BEWARE EGGHEAD (Was: RE: 600E Model Identification?) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Michelle, Michelle Klein-Hass [mailto:bosslady@msgeek.com] wrote: > Beware Egghead!!! Beware of ANY online seller. > They told me that my 365 had a built-in CD-ROM drive, but they were WRONG!!! > > They didn't give me enough money as an offset to buy an external CD-ROM > drive!!! > > I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from Egghead again!!! Some things I've learned the hard way about online sales. First and foremost, document _exactly_ what it is you think you're purchasing. Save and print the webpage of the offering and keep them safe. An email to the seller asking for clarifictaion of the item's SPECIFIC MODEL NUMBER and description is also handy. Second, and just as important, pay ONLY by credit card! Any of them are acceptable but I prefer American Express for their extended warranty offering and quick problem resolution. Even Egghead, with their generic declaration that pictures and descriptions may differ from the item, can be made to uphold a deal. I purchased a _specific_ model of a Sony weatherproof walkman for my daughter last year. The model I ordered had electronic tuning and 6 station presets. The model I received had manual tuning and no presets. A phone call to Egghead Customer Disservice elicited the fact that I should have paid more attention to the disclaimers at the bottom of the page. I enlightened the young lady (who was VERY curt and abusive) that, as I had already notified AMEX that I didn't receive the item I ordered and therefore wouldn't be paying for what I HAD received, her only option was to issue me an RMA and credit my account. She refused to do either. I faxed AMEX the webpage as I had printed it (it was also still up on Egghead's site!), the cover page for the owner's manual of what I had received in it's stead and a cover letter explaining the differences that made the item unacceptable. Result? A free Walkman. AMEX credited me the full amount and I never heard from Egghead again. I use the Egghead/Onsale example here because of Michelle's difficulty with them, but this method has worked with the WORST of the NYC online mills when I recently purchased a digital camera. That purchase wound up in a classic bait-and-switch where what I received was worth about half of what I had ordered. The only difference there was that I received an RMA by FEDEX two days after I called AMEX! Regards, James From cph Wed Mar 29 14:51:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16721 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:51:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25352; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:48:37 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25148; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25135; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:48:34 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06220; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:48:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Adam Quantrill" , "David Ross" , Subject: RE: VMware Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:48:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > So you can actually run Linux inside a virtual file under the NTFS > in the same partition as Win2000? Yup, that's the whole idea. A virtual disk is a file on the host system. Inside the VM, it looks like a physical hard drive connected to an IDE controller. You partition and format it from the VM just like any other hard drive, but all the activity takes place inside that one file on the host OS. You can also use a raw disk, which connects the virtual IDE controller directly to one of your physical disks. This is what you use when you want to have an OS installed that you can either boot directly or in a VM. > ... the question is how do you do the virtual network. > Suppose I only had One NIC and under Win2000, I already have the NIC > setted up... How will the VM Linux and Win98 handle the NIC or can they > all just use a different IP? The host OS (Win2000 in this case) owns the physical NIC just as always. The guest OS's do not have any direct access to this NIC. Instead, each VM has its own separate virtual NIC that emulates an AMD chip, and that's the only network device the guest OS sees. Each virtual NIC needs its own IP address, if you use TCP/IP. (Which is likely but not required--maybe you're just using NetBEUI or IPX/SPX in the guest OS's.) Depending on how you set up the networking, VMware provides a DHCP server on the host, or the guest OS's can access an external DHCP server. Or you can set all the IP addresses statically, of course. More details are at www.vmware.com, of course. Better yet, just go try it out yourself--their 30 day trial doesn't clutter up your registry with secret keys or anything like that. Then I can stop annoying anyone on the list who isn't interested in this topic. You do want a machine with lots of memory--each VM should get a nice chunk of physical memory of its own. Performance inside the VM is usable on a TP600 PII-266, and pretty reasonable on a TP600E PII-400. Good reason to stuff the machine with 288Mb and a 18Gb drive or two. By way of real life example, I'm working on an Outlook/Exchange client extension, and I need to make sure it works on Outlook 97, 98, and 2000, as well as Win95, Win98, NT4, and Windows 2000. Normally that would take several machines and/or a lot of dual booting. Walk into a typical software developer's office and that's what you'll see--a whole row of computers. Now I do all that on one ThinkPad 600. I set up each of those versions of Windows and Outlook in its own virtual machine--for example, Win95 with Outlook 97. Once I got Outlook configured so I could send and receive mail and I was ready to install my client extension, I shut down Win95 and changed the VM's virtual disk configuration to nonpersistent. After that, when I boot up the VM, it operates normally, but all disk writes are held in a temporary file and discarded when it shuts down. So each time I reboot it, the virtual drive is back to the disk image as it was before I switched it to nonpersistent mode. This is great for development and testing. BTW, if anyone tried VMware 1.0x on a ThinkPad and had terrible problems with missed and doubled keystrokes inside the VMs, that is fixed in 2.0--so give it another whirl. Enough for now, and honest, I don't work for VMware, I just like their product a lot. -Mike From cph Wed Mar 29 14:55:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16760 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:55:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26132; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25989; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25919; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:09 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a44.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.204]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E1725D39; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:53:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3877FED6.DB07EF6E@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:21:58 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michelle Klein-Hass Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BEWARE EGGHEAD (Was: RE: 600E Model Identification?) References: <2001432@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I second the warning about Egghead... The service and quality of Onsale.com dropped dramatically when Egghead took it over... and it wasn't that great to begin with. Ray Bayles Beware Egghead!!! > > They told me that my 365 had a built-in CD-ROM drive, but they were WRONG!!! > > They didn't give me enough money as an offset to buy an external CD-ROM > drive!!! > > I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from Egghead again!!! From cph Wed Mar 29 15:26:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17022 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:26:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29309; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:25:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29179; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29165; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:25:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA40460; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:24:53 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:24:53 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: VMware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > So you can actually run Linux inside a virtual file under the NTFS > > in the same partition as Win2000? > > Yup, that's the whole idea. A virtual disk is a file on the host system. > Inside the VM, it looks like a physical hard drive connected to an IDE > controller. You partition and format it from the VM just like any other hard > drive, but all the activity takes place inside that one file on the host OS. That's pretty interesting but doesn't Linux need to actually talk to the BIOS directly? > You can also use a raw disk, which connects the virtual IDE controller > directly to one of your physical disks. This is what you use when you want > to have an OS installed that you can either boot directly or in a VM. True... So you can connect to a existing partition or existing disk for that OS? > > ... the question is how do you do the virtual network. > > Suppose I only had One NIC and under Win2000, I already have the NIC > > setted up... How will the VM Linux and Win98 handle the NIC or can they > > all just use a different IP? > > The host OS (Win2000 in this case) owns the physical NIC just as always. The > guest OS's do not have any direct access to this NIC. Instead, each VM has > its own separate virtual NIC that emulates an AMD chip, and that's the only > network device the guest OS sees. Each virtual NIC needs its own IP address, > if you use TCP/IP. (Which is likely but not required--maybe you're just > using NetBEUI or IPX/SPX in the guest OS's.) Depending on how you set up the > networking, VMware provides a DHCP server on the host, or the guest OS's can > access an external DHCP server. Or you can set all the IP addresses > statically, of course. Pretty interesting except with FreeBSD, the Intel Pro100 drivers work better and more efficient than the AMD driver. > More details are at www.vmware.com, of course. Better yet, just go try it > out yourself--their 30 day trial doesn't clutter up your registry with > secret keys or anything like that. Then I can stop annoying anyone on the > list who isn't interested in this topic. True but does the thing just stop working after 30 days since I might want to use it for more than 30 days so I can save up the cash to get it. > You do want a machine with lots of memory--each VM should get a nice chunk > of physical memory of its own. Performance inside the VM is usable on a > TP600 PII-266, and pretty reasonable on a TP600E PII-400. Good reason to > stuff the machine with 288Mb and a 18Gb drive or two. Or 2 25 GIG drives as Bill would say. :-) > By way of real life example, I'm working on an Outlook/Exchange client > extension, and I need to make sure it works on Outlook 97, 98, and 2000, as > well as Win95, Win98, NT4, and Windows 2000. Normally that would take > several machines and/or a lot of dual booting. Walk into a typical software > developer's office and that's what you'll see--a whole row of computers. > > Now I do all that on one ThinkPad 600. I set up each of those versions of > Windows and Outlook in its own virtual machine--for example, Win95 with > Outlook 97. Once I got Outlook configured so I could send and receive mail > and I was ready to install my client extension, I shut down Win95 and > changed the VM's virtual disk configuration to nonpersistent. After that, > when I boot up the VM, it operates normally, but all disk writes are held in > a temporary file and discarded when it shuts down. So each time I reboot it, > the virtual drive is back to the disk image as it was before I switched it > to nonpersistent mode. This is great for development and testing. Is there anyway for the different Windows to share the registry and the Start menu? > BTW, if anyone tried VMware 1.0x on a ThinkPad and had terrible problems > with missed and doubled keystrokes inside the VMs, that is fixed in 2.0--so > give it another whirl. > > Enough for now, and honest, I don't work for VMware, I just like their > product a lot. Yeah, I can tell that. :-) Thanks for bringing it up though. Now you probably created a bunch of ThinkPad users who has one machine that can take down someone's entire LAN! =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Wed Mar 29 15:48:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17174 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:48:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01177; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01076; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01047; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:46:20 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11051 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:46:17 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101bf99bf$f06f6a20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <2001432@panix.com> Subject: Re: BEWARE EGGHEAD (Was: RE: 600E Model Identification?) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:47:03 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Just to offer an alternative data point, I have purchased many things >from Egghead over the years, and also from Surplus Direct before they were absorbed into the Egghead hegemony, and never had a serious problem. (Emphasis on "serious":=)(Incidentally, unlike Ray I think that Onsale actually got *better* after Egghead took them over.) FWIW, I believe that former list regular Emanuel Brown has bought boatloads of stuff from them. What is important is (a) make sure they really have the item in stock when you order (they often do not, and incidentally will charge your credit card instantly whether or not it is in stock), and (b) make sure you know and document exactly what you are buying (this seems to have been the problem in this case), and of course use a credit card. Another problem (mainly with the onsale auctions) is that Onsale/Egghead often acts as a middleman between some different actual dealer and the customer, and you are then at the mercy of that dealer for accuracy and shipping. While I never hesitate to buy something that they are selling for, say, Compgeeks, some of the dealers they represent seem kind of squirrelly. Most recently, I bought a refurbished IBM P200 monitor for $260 *including* shipping to Honolulu. (Actual UPS shipping alone on this beast must have been over $100!) There were at least 3 separate Onsale auctions for this monitor at the same time; only one was representing IBM's own outlet division, and this is the only one I even considered. - David R. From cph Wed Mar 29 16:55:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17598 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:55:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07849; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:53:49 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07682; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07669; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:53:48 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust89.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.89]) id QQiiqx21383; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:53:28 GMT Message-ID: <38E27B9D.D8D2C17D@cheatriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:54:37 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Vincent Poy , Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VMware References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Could you please list the manufacturer, address & phone # (or a Web address) of the company that designs and sells VMWare? Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Mar 29 16:57:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17624 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:57:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08231; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:56:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08131; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08104; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:56:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA42640; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:56:27 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:56:27 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Kathe Robin cc: Michael Geary , Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VMware In-Reply-To: <38E27B9D.D8D2C17D@cheatriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Kathe Robin wrote: Hello, > Could you please list the manufacturer, address & phone # (or a Web > address) of the company that designs and sells VMWare? As Michael has mentioned, here is the information. VMware, Inc. 3145 Porter Drive Building F Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Tel: 650-475-5000 Fax: 650-475-5001 Website: www.vmware.com Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Wed Mar 29 17:26:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17858 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09122; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08957; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08929; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:57 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-69.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.69]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA24561; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000329170652.012c0d00@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:06:52 -0800 To: "Jeffrey Baker" , From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <001801bf9981$99b6fb00$0200a8c0@Laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:20 AM 03/29/2000 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net Definitely. 64mb -> 128mb yields a much bigger jump, but 128mb ->256mb is definitely visible especially if you run a lot of apps or any of the big name suites. I run NT4.0SP6 Server, Oracle and Visual Studio (We finally phased out Delphi, yay!) and when you have Oracle running (Personal Edition) in the background while compiling and testing VB60 front ends or IE5.0 open for testing web apps, 128mb is inadequate IMHO. I'm running 256megs, and I'm thinking of pushing it to 320megs. I'm testing W2k Server, but I am staving off of using it primarily until more clients request it or need it's functionality. So far, from Pro to Server, it's been a resounding no. FYI, Crucial's pricing on 128mb modules went up from 98.99 to 109.99 during the last week. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 29 17:27:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17869 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:27:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08898; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:40 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08736; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08715; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:37 -0500 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp97.epix.net [199.224.125.97]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999100101/PL) with SMTP id RAA22551 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:00:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003292200.RAA22551@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:59:32 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <002101bf99bf$f06f6a20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: BEWARE EGGHEAD X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.1 c10 List-Unsubscribe: I don't buy from an online seller until I check out www.resellerratings.com - not infallible, but gives a general idea as to how common problems are with a particular vendor. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org WarpTech 2000: May 26-28 in Phoenix - plan NOW to attend! www.warptech.org -- -- Is fire supposed to shoot out of that thing? From cph Wed Mar 29 17:29:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17874 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09910; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09820; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09806; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:00 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-69.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.69]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA26871; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:03:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000329170954.012c4990@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:09:54 -0800 To: "Michael Geary" , , From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: 600E Model Identification? In-Reply-To: References: <2001432@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:14 AM 03/29/2000 -0800, Michael Geary wrote: >> > 26454AU: >> > >> > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) Win98 >> > >> > 26458AU: >> > >> > PII 366MHz (256KB) 64MB RAM 6.4GB 13.3 XGA TFT 24X 56K(ACP) WinNT >> > >> > They are identical, except one comes with Win98 as the OS and >> > the other comes with NT. >> >> Many thanks, Mark. As both machines on auction now come equipped >> with Win98, I understand why I couldn't spot any differences :-) > >I wouldn't count on the 2645-8AU's having Win98. If the type/model number >doesn't match Egghead's description, I'd be inclined to believe the >type/model number. An 8AU should have NT packed with it, not Win98. I don't >think IBM would send out a factory-sealed box, even for a refurbished >machine, with a different operating system from the spec. If they were going >to do that, they would change the model number of the machine. Usually they >do that on the refurbs anyway, like they did with the 4AU's, which they >renumbered as 2645-RRC's. So who knows what those 8AU's may actually turn >out to be... > Most likely, the auctioneer is selling a reformatted box with a different OS. It happens all the time on Ebay. What it is supposed to come factory installed with and what it has are two different things once they are out of IBM's hands. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Mar 29 17:51:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18068 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:51:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12049; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:27 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11937; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11922; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:25 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18985; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Adam Quantrill" , "David Ross" , Subject: RE: VMware Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > ... doesn't Linux need to actually talk to the BIOS directly? Yup. Need the BIOS to boot the OS from "disk", too. So the virtual machine has a Phoenix BIOS, along with some CMOS memory for the BIOS settings (the CMOS is actually a file on the host OS, of course). > ... So you can connect to a existing partition or existing > disk for that [guest] OS? Right, either use an existing partition, or create a virtual disk which lives inside a file in the host OS's file system. > ... but does the thing just stop working after 30 days since I might want > to use it for more than 30 days so I can save up the cash to get it. No, just go to www.vmware.com and download another trial license. You can keep doing this every 30 days if you want--they don't try to prevent you >from doing that. They probably figure you'll eventually get tired of this and buy a license. > Is there anyway for the different Windows to share the registry > and the Start menu? Only by using whatever facilities to do this might be available if you had separate physical machines. For example, I believe NT lets you store user profiles on a server, so you could store these on the host system and access them across the virtual network from the guest OS's. -Mike From cph Wed Mar 29 17:54:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18097 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:54:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12492; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12391; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12352; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA43340; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:28:57 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:28:57 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: VMware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > ... doesn't Linux need to actually talk to the BIOS directly? > > Yup. Need the BIOS to boot the OS from "disk", too. So the virtual machine > has a Phoenix BIOS, along with some CMOS memory for the BIOS settings (the > CMOS is actually a file on the host OS, of course). Nevermind, I figured that out since the VM is supposed to emulate a actual machine. > > ... So you can connect to a existing partition or existing > > disk for that [guest] OS? > > Right, either use an existing partition, or create a virtual disk which > lives inside a file in the host OS's file system. Pretty interesting. > > ... but does the thing just stop working after 30 days since I might want > > to use it for more than 30 days so I can save up the cash to get it. > > No, just go to www.vmware.com and download another trial license. You can > keep doing this every 30 days if you want--they don't try to prevent you > from doing that. They probably figure you'll eventually get tired of this > and buy a license. Haha, never even knew you can do that. =) > > Is there anyway for the different Windows to share the registry > > and the Start menu? > > Only by using whatever facilities to do this might be available if you had > separate physical machines. For example, I believe NT lets you store user > profiles on a server, so you could store these on the host system and access > them across the virtual network from the guest OS's. Yeah but I mean I would probably want to keep my Win98SE and then go with Win2k so that it doesn't axe the Win98SE setup and run VM on top of Win2k. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Wed Mar 29 18:02:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18147 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:02:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13944; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:36:32 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13828; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13814; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:36:27 -0500 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21485; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mark Bell" , , Subject: RE: 600E Model Identification? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:36:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000329170954.012c4990@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Most likely, the auctioneer is selling a reformatted box with a different > OS. It happens all the time on Ebay. What it is supposed to come factory > installed with and what it has are two different things once they are out > of IBM's hands. If these machines were on eBay, I'd expect that. But these machines are on Egghead. I've bought several IBM refurbs from Egghead/Onsale now, and my experience has been consistent: If the auction listing says "Billed by Egghead" and "warranty is provided by IBM", then it's a unit refurbished by IBM and sent out in an IBM sealed package, with the software preload that IBM specifies for that type/model number. Egghead also sells machines refurbished by third parties (often Intellisale), but those will say "Billed by Intellisale" and "warranty is provided by Intellisale." Then the machine might have a different software preload, whatever Intellisale or the other third party put on it. -Mike From cph Wed Mar 29 18:22:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18274 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:22:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16088; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:56:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15884; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15869; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:56:44 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11617 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:56:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006e01bf99d2$27a88280$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: 600E Model Identification? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:26 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "If the auction listing says "Billed by Egghead" and "warranty is provided by IBM", then it's a unit refurbished by IBM and sent out in an IBM sealed package, with the software preload that IBM specifies for that type/model number." IBM often sells their refurbs with nonstandard software configurations even on their own website (http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com) for example, right now they show some thinkpads selling only with PCDOS7. I would guess that this is some kind of licensing thing, otherwise it would obviously be easiest for IBM to just reinstall the preload. - David R. From cph Wed Mar 29 18:25:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18304 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:25:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16508; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:00:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16402; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16388; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:00:14 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.012) id 38DFDA970005FC30 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:00:11 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01bf99d2$27a88280$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:00:08 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: 600E Model Identification? List-Unsubscribe: >IBM often sells their refurbs with nonstandard software configurations >even on their >own website (http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com) for example, right now they >show some thinkpads selling only with PCDOS7. That's how my 365X came to me...with PCDOS7 alone. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Mar 29 18:34:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18416 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17510; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:27 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17424; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17394; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (208.40.40.13 -> 208-40-40-13.corecomm.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:23 -0500 Received: from megsinet.net ([209.81.176.225]) by smtp-2.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FS7HLO02.KY8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <38E28DEC.1553B550@megsinet.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:12:44 -0500 From: Charles Monett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP730T: Docking Stations, 730T on a 700 station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Currently, I have the fieldkit version of the docking station of the 730T. What I'm wondering, is it possible to use a docking station with the same connector, like the 700's docking station (and similar ones made with the large docking connector) and be able at least to use the ports that the 730 uses if not able the other expansion devices as well? I'm primarily asking this as the cost of the 730's docking station (non-fieldkit, the smaller of the two) is prohibitively expensive (and rare) to obtain, but the 700 docking station is more readily found and common. From cph Wed Mar 29 18:37:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18423 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:37:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18029; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:11:51 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17867; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17853; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:11:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04508; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:09:03 -0500 (EST) From: rj To: Kathe Robin cc: Michael Geary , Vincent Poy , Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VMware In-Reply-To: <38E27B9D.D8D2C17D@cheatriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: You can purchase and download the software directly from the company's web site, www.vmware.com. On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Kathe Robin wrote: > Could you please list the manufacturer, address & phone # (or a Web > address) of the company that designs and sells VMWare? > > Thanks, > > Max > ------------------------------------------------------- > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 > ------------------------------------------------------ > From cph Wed Mar 29 18:51:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18536 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:51:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19118; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:11 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19008; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:10 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id SAA02059 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28622; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:23:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 24188 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2000 15:23:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000329152326.24187.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web116.yahoomail.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:23:26 PST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory To: Jeffrey Baker Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded RB and installed it but it sounds a low memory alarm everytime I start an application or click on a URL and I have 128Mb of ram! Other than entertaining my co-workers with humerous sound effects, what good is this? Thanks. --- Jeffrey Baker wrote: > I and friends have had very good success with > Rambooster, also free, from > http://www.sci.fi/~borg/rambooster/index.htm -- Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed Mar 29 18:51:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18542 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:51:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19265; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:28 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19162; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:27 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id SAA02084 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29895; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:31 -0500 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA09007; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA14863; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000329073701.00a98e90@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:39:04 -0800 To: "Jeffrey Baker" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <001801bf9981$99b6fb00$0200a8c0@Laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA18543 At 08:20 AM 03/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net Here's what PC World had to say: From PC World.com How Much Memory Do You Need? by Tom Mainelli, PC World Buy as much memory as you can afford. That's always been the conventional wisdom for Windows users. When memory was dirt cheap and you were only talking about 16 megabytes at a time, that was great advice. But now that RAM is a little pricier and upgrading means adding 64MB at a crack, you're getting into serious money. So, how much RAM do you really need? The PC World Test Center answered that question, but it wasn't easy: We needed four test machines, three memory configurations, three versions of Windows, our new PC WorldBench 2000 benchmark, and a boatload of patience. Our conclusion: While more memory is better with all shipping versions of Windows, you don't always get much extra bang for your buck. Not surprisingly, systems loaded with 256MB of RAM performed the best on our benchmark tests. But systems with just half that amount of memory did almost as well. However, we found that increasing system memory from 64MB to 128MB gave a much more noticable performance boost, making it the right combination of price and performance for most people. As always, the right decision on what's cost effective for you is in the details. It depends on how you plan to use your PC, and how rich you feel. How We Tested We used four systems from mainstream vendors for this test. Each PC has a different processor: a 466-MHz Intel Celeron, a 500-MHz Celeron, a 500-MHz Pentium III, and a 600-MHz Advanced Micro Devices Athlon. We tested the machines with our new PC WorldBench 2000, based on 11 real-world applications: Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, and Visio; Lotus WordPro and 1-2-3; Netscape Communicator; Intuit Quicken; Adobe Photoshop; and Corel PhotoPaint. We examined performance with 64MB, 128MB, and 256MB of standard PC100 Synchronous DRAM. At each memory level, we tested the systems running Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows 2000 Professional. We also set up the systems with 128MB of memory under Windows NT 4.0, for comparison's sake. Just a Little Boost Adding memory to PCs running Win 2000 triggers the biggest boost in WorldBench 2000 performance. The averaged PC WorldBench score jumps about 7.5 percent with a move from 64MB to 128MB. However, the move from 128MB to 256MB nets an increase of only about 4 percent. Also worth noting: Under Win 2000, some applications benefit from additional memory more than others. The averaged WorldBench scores for Microsoft Word 97 and Excel 97 don't show meaningful improvement with additional memory. However, Netscape Navigator 4.06's performance leaps nearly 9 percent with the move from 64MB to 128MB, and another 21 percent >from 128MB to 256MB. Photoshop 5.0 performance improves nearly 13 percent moving from 64MB to 128MB, and 6 percent from 128MB to 256MB. More memory also boosts Win 98 performance, but not as much. The move from 64MB to 128MB nets a nearly 6 percent improvement in the averaged WorldBench 2000 score. Jumping from 128MB to 256MB improves performance, but not by a statistically meaningful amount. As with Win 2000, some WorldBench 2000 programs running under Windows 98 see larger performance gains than others. The meter doesn't move much for Word 97 and Excel 97. Navigator and Photoshop show larger overall improvement. Navigator jumps more than 5 percent with the move from 64MB to 128MB, and another 8 percent in the move from 128MB to 256MB. Photoshop improves 7 percent, and then 3 percent. Keep in mind that if you open any two or more of these applications at a time and jump between them (task-switching), or even have two or more actively working at a time (multitasking), you'll accentuate the need for more memory. Choose Win 2000 for Speed Of the three operating systems, machines running Win 2000 score the best across the memory segments, besting Win 98 at all levels and nudging past Windows NT at 128MB. The averaged WorldBench 2000 score of Win 2000 machines running at 64MB is 128, compared to 112 for Win 98, making Win 2000 about 14 percent faster. At 128MB, the Win 2000 system's average score is 138; Windows NT hits 134, and Win 98 lands at 118. That makes the Win 2000 average about 17 percent faster than Win 98, and an insignificant 3 percent faster than Windows NT. At 256MB, the Win 2000 average is 143 and the Win 98 score is 121, making Win 2000 about 18 percent faster. Our results here indicate Win 2000 is now performing slightly faster than our earlier testing indicated (see Windows 2000 introduction story link at right). We attribute this change to a number of factors, most likely improvements in video drivers and other routine tweaks in hardware and software. What's It Worth to You? Memory costs are moderate these days. One example: A Dell Dimension XPS T desktop with a 600-MHz Pentium III and 64MB of PC100 SDRAM sells for $1349. Add $50 more ($1399) to get 128MB; another $200 ($1599) to reach 256MB. Gateway offers the same jumps for about $90 and $200; Quantex, for about $100 and $240. Prices from aftermarket vendors also vary considerably, typically in the same ranges. You'll pay between $50 and $100 for 64MB, $150 to $200 for 128MB. So here's the bottom line: If you want the fastest machine around (processor and other hardware notwithstanding), go with 256MB of memory (or more) in a computer running Win 2000. You'll pay about $200 more for memory to get those bragging rights. If money is an issue, but performance is too, go for the 128MB sweet spot, regardless of your operating system. For just a little extra money ($50 to $100), you'll get a nice performance boost over 64MB, especially if you use memory-hungry programs such as Photoshop. And if you're on a tight budget and plan to stick mostly to word processing and spreadsheet chores, 64MB will get the job done perfectly well. A Note About WorldBench 2000: These tests are among the first use of PC WorldBench 2000, an update to the PC WorldBench benchmark tests. WorldBench 2000 scores should not be compared with WorldBench 98 scores reported previously.The WorldBench 98 scores are not equivalent to WorldBench 2000 numbers. PC World will retest systems when appropriate, to determine their WorldBench 2000 scores. Copyright © 2000 PC World Communications. All Rights Reserved. Use of this service is subject to the PC World.com Terms of Service Agreement. PC World.com complies with the ASME Guidelines with IDG Extensions for new media. Try the magazine: Get 2 Risk-Free Issues! From cph Wed Mar 29 18:59:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18590 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:59:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20232; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20111; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20097; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:34:17 -0500 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA11912; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:34:03 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <008201bf99d7$5f36aba0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steve C." , "Jeffrey Baker" Cc: References: <20000329152326.24187.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:34:46 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Rambooster can be a bit annoying to get configured properly, which is why I tend to use freemem instead. Under Edit/Preferences there are options to set as to (a) at what level of RAM to activate, (b) whether to try to automatically free memory at this level, and (c) how much memory to try to free. You can also turn off the annoying alarm there. (The home website for the program has a discussion board where you can find recommendations for settings for different memory configurations.) It is certainly possible that the app you are running is trying to grab all your free RAM even the first time you run it; what RB is doing is grabbing a bunch back. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: "Jeffrey Baker" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:23 AM Subject: RE: Is Memory just Memory I downloaded RB and installed it but it sounds a low memory alarm everytime I start an application or click on a URL and I have 128Mb of ram! Other than entertaining my co-workers with humerous sound effects, what good is this? Thanks. --- Jeffrey Baker wrote: > I and friends have had very good success with > Rambooster, also free, from > http://www.sci.fi/~borg/rambooster/index.htm -- Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed Mar 29 19:06:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18643 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:06:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23002; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:57 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22828; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22808; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:55 -0500 Received: from 216-164-208-19.s19.tnt2.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.208.19] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12aSRe-0004xo-00 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:19 -0500 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <006001bf99db$53138920$0a00a8c0@tp770ed> From: "R Briganti" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000329073701.00a98e90@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: Is Memory Just Memory? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Buried in the article is a key to interpreting the results. > Keep in mind that if you open any two or more of these applications at a > time and jump between them (task-switching), or even have two or more > actively working at a time (multitasking), you'll accentuate the need for > more memory. So, if all you do is run one program, then having a lot of memory is not that important. But if you use the machine for multitasking several programs, then more memory than they recommend is better. From cph Wed Mar 29 19:18:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18756 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:18:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22050; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:56:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21959; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21941; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:55:59 -0500 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id QAA04878; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:55:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:55:45 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: Charles Monett Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP730T: Docking Stations, 730T on a 700 station Message-ID: <20000329165544.H598@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <38E28DEC.1553B550@megsinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38E28DEC.1553B550@megsinet.net>; from Charles Monett on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 06:12:44PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 06:12:44PM -0500, Charles Monett wrote: > Currently, I have the fieldkit version of the docking station of the > 730T. What I'm wondering, is it possible to use a docking station with > the same connector, like the 700's docking station (and similar ones > made with the large docking connector) and be able at least to use the > ports that the 730 uses if not able the other expansion devices as well? > I'm primarily asking this as the cost of the 730's docking station > (non-fieldkit, the smaller of the two) is prohibitively expensive (and > rare) to obtain, but the 700 docking station is more readily found and > common. There is a large docking station that isn't part of the field kit, readily available on ebay. If you succeed in finding an alternative to the small port replicator, that'll be interesting. -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud@bigfoot.com finger rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Wed Mar 29 23:32:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19960 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:32:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07932; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:28:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07669; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07656; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (24.2.4.66 -> ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:28:14 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.2.240.166]) by mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000330042813.TRUQ14878.mail.rdc1.ne.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:28:13 -0800 Message-ID: <38E2F382.96A5EC3D@home.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:26:10 -0800 From: Jim Schneider X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 770E memory question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After looking in the book and the IBM web site, I am still not clear, can I put 128mb DIMM in my 770E or is 64mb the largest ? The Crucial.com site lists 16, 32 and 64mb for the 770, For the 770ED they list 16, 32, 64 and 128mb parts but the interesting thing is that the part numbers are not the same between these two models for the 16, 32 and 64mb. They do not have the 770E listed. From cph Thu Mar 30 00:05:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20092 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:05:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09639; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:03:05 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09502; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09489; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:03:03 -0500 Received: from ken4 (244.new-york-23-24rs.ny.dial-access.att.net [12.79.3.244]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11766 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:02:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000329223317.016fa4c0@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:37:42 -0500 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: [TP600X] Won't resume if CD is removed from drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 600X, with Windows 98 SE. I have noticed the following odd behavior: If I suspend the machine while a CD-ROM is in the CD-ROM drive, and I open the CD-ROM drive during suspend or during resume (i.e. removing the CD from the drive), then when I try to resume, the screen never comes up from being off, and the machine never wakes up, no matter how long I wait (the suspend light keeps blinking). If I then close the CD-ROM drive (i.e. putting the CD back in the drive), the machine will successfully resume. Just thought I'd point this out, in case it explains at least one situation where the machine doesn't seem to want to wake up. - Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Thu Mar 30 00:37:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20232 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:37:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11475; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:35:54 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11327; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11314; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:35:52 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-19.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.19]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25174; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:35:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000330004149.013c2700@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:41:49 -0800 To: Jim Schneider , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 770E memory question In-Reply-To: <38E2F382.96A5EC3D@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:26 PM 03/29/2000 -0800, Jim Schneider wrote: > >After looking in the book and the IBM web site, I am still not clear, >can I put 128mb DIMM in my 770E or >is 64mb the largest ? > >The Crucial.com site lists 16, 32 and 64mb for the 770, For the 770ED >they list 16, 32, 64 and 128mb parts but the interesting thing is that >the part numbers are not the same between these two models for the 16, >32 and 64mb. >They do not have the 770E listed. You can add 128meg modules to your unit. It will max out @ 288megs (32megs soldered onboard + 2 128meg modules) The 770E is architecturally identical to the 770ED (P2-266), except for the DVD/CDROM drive option(s). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Mar 30 02:08:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20529 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:08:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15450; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:06:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15299; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15286; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:06:26 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-51.gate.net [207.36.212.51]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA300708; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2FCE1.968E1AA4@gate.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:06:09 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Andrew Scott Beals , Jason Savage , c1-forum@frijoles.com, "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the view from prehistoric times: when i built my very first s-100 box (a polymorphic systems "poly88") the square pad was pin 1 that was in 1974 or thereabouts.. Michael Geary wrote: > > The other helpful hint is that pin 1 on the PCB is marked with a > > square pad rather than a round one. I don't know how long this > > has been an industry practice [it didn't seem to be in '76, by my > > recollection], but is certainly works now. > > It's been that way on everything PC-related that I've ever seen. > > You can certainly count on this: If there is one square pad, that's pin 1. > > (Three mailing lists? Yikes! ) > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 30 02:11:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20548 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:11:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15621; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15535; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15522; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:10:06 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-51.gate.net [207.36.212.51]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA265166; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2FDC6.D22F9FF4@gate.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:09:58 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is Memory just Memory and a STACK crash is still a stack CRASH.. :-) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: this whole thing sounds suspiciously like a STACK CRASH to me.. :-) Michael Geary wrote: > > >System Resources is usually where the problem lies since I never run > > >out of physical ram, only about 50% of the 320MB on the 770Z and 384MB > > >on my desktop is ever used, it's the system resources that are always > > >low and nothing else can open afterwards. > > 320Mb RAM and you're running Windows 9x? Put Windows 2000 on that thing and > you'll be at least twice as happy, probably more. > > > > None of these programs will free up "System Resources", just memory > > > (though some claim to!). > > > > Alas, I do not believe there is anything one can do to reclaim those > > resources under W9x; the way memory is reclaimed by the programs > > already mentioned exploits a trick in Windows memory management that > > doesn't have a counterpart for system resources. Perhaps W2K is > > better in this regard. > > Windows 2000 doesn't have "System Resources". "System Resources" is a polite > name for some 64Kb data areas that the USER and GDI modules in Windows use > to keep data for organizing and drawing the windows on the screen. These > areas have 64Kb limits because of the 16-bit code in those parts of Windows > 95/98. Some of this code dates back to Windows 1.0. Remember the 286? > > Windows 2000 is NT, and NT has never had these 64Kb limits, because the USER > and GDI code is all 32-bit. > > BTW, it *is* possible to magically provide more "System Resources" in > Windows 9x. Connectix once sold a product I worked on called Agent 95 that > did just that (among other things). Windows 3.x had even worse limits (same > 16-bit, 64Kb architecture as Windows 9x, but they were cramming even more > things into each of those 64Kb chunks), and Agent 95's predecessor, RAM > Doubler, was quite popular at one time because it increased those limits > (but didn't remove them completely). > > The real solution isn't to put some hack on top of another hack which was > built on a 16-bit hack to begin with, but to just get yourself a proper > 32-bit operating system to begin with. Windows 2000 runs real nice on > ThinkPads. (And you can even run Linux and Windows 9x at the same time using > VMware.) > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 30 02:14:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20569 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:14:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15857; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15777; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15764; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:41 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-51.gate.net [207.36.212.51]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA210366; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2FE99.231D0659@gate.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:13:29 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Savage CC: "'Michael Geary'" , Andrew Scott Beals , "c1-forum@frijoles.com" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters References: <01BF97E8.34928E50@CORUSCANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there are really cheap and easy to use 2.5 to 3.5 HDD adapters.. that is adapt a 2.5 inch drive (with 2mm center to center ribbon cable) to the 3.5inch standard (2.5mm center to center ribbon cable).. and pin 1 is marked.. Jason Savage wrote: > Sorry guys but it isn't universal. My little gem of an adapter does not have the square pad pin 1 marking. Nor does some of the cheaper offshore components that I have used in the past. Standards are always sacrificed in order to save a buck. Personally, that is the last time I'm ever going to use an adapter like that. I'll just have to be more creative to find an alternative. > > Jason Savage > Savage@MBnet.MB.CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary [SMTP:Mike@Geary.com] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:51 AM > To: Andrew Scott Beals; Jason Savage > Cc: c1-forum@frijoles.com; Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail); Libretto Maillist (E-mail) > Subject: RE: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters > > > The other helpful hint is that pin 1 on the PCB is marked with a > > square pad rather than a round one. I don't know how long this > > has been an industry practice [it didn't seem to be in '76, by my > > recollection], but is certainly works now. > > It's been that way on everything PC-related that I've ever seen. > > You can certainly count on this: If there is one square pad, that's pin 1. > > (Three mailing lists? Yikes! ) > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 30 02:18:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20587 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:18:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16121; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:17:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16044; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16031; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:17:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA53239; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:29 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:29 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Jason Savage , "'Michael Geary'" , Andrew Scott Beals , "c1-forum@frijoles.com" , "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" , "Libretto Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters In-Reply-To: <38E2FE99.231D0659@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > there are really cheap and easy to use 2.5 to 3.5 HDD adapters.. > that is adapt a 2.5 inch drive (with 2mm center to center ribbon cable) to the 3.5inch standard (2.5mm center to center ribbon cable).. > and pin 1 is marked.. It would be neat if there was a way to hook up a 3.5" HDD to a 2.5" system =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Thu Mar 30 02:21:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20598 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:21:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16329; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:23 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16252; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16239; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:22 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-51.gate.net [207.36.212.51]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAB103682; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <38E30030.FBED045A@gate.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:16 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BEWARE EGGHEAD References: <200003292200.RAA22551@lima.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ihave ordered merchandise from egghead.. even if the merchandise is not available to ship, they have charged my amex card, holding over $1000 for about 6 weeks until they admitted they had no product to ship.. repeat THAT several thousand times a day and you don't NEED to sell anything, just make overnight interest on that cash for 6 weeks..! Julian Thomas wrote: > I don't buy from an online seller until I check out > www.resellerratings.com - not infallible, but gives a general idea as to > how common problems are with a particular vendor. > > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org > WarpTech 2000: May 26-28 in Phoenix - plan NOW to attend! www.warptech.org > -- -- > Is fire supposed to shoot out of that thing? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 30 02:26:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20620 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16630; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16554; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16541; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:18 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-51.gate.net [207.36.212.51]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA49514; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38E2FAA0.41D13F4C@gate.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:56:32 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TomATrottier@home.com CC: David Ross , ThinkPad list Subject: Re: Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - repairable? References: <38DF4B2F.24510.366F32C@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: another good substance for such a job is the material available at most auto parts and hardware stores, used for tools.. to coat pliar handles with a thick rubber surface.. it comes in colors.. i used it when i performed the "knobectomy" on the original 760CD ac adapter.. :-) you can also squeeze a few more miles out of a worn trackpoint tip by using a bit of this stuff on it.. it works only for a short while, but it does work.. Tom Trottier wrote: > Hi David > > For added strain relief, I find an application of "Shoe-Goo" around > the cord on the outside at the base suffices very well. Shoe-Goo is > like real thick rubber cement. > > Tom > > At 2000 March 16 - Thursday 13:41, David Ross > spoke about *Followup on: [TP560] AC adaptor - r...* saying > > ... > > Of course, once I'm done the thing will be nowhere near as robust > or > > nice as it was (after all, I've decimated the strain-relief bit), and in > ... > ------------------------- > Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ:57647974 > 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > __o > _ \< Voice:+1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 No ads/spam, please > (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at > http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Mar 30 05:13:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21210 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:13:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24202; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:02:32 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24032; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24018; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:02:30 -0500 Received: from user-38lcf3u.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcf3u.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.126]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04738 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003301002.FAA04738@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "TP List" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 05:07:52 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000329074019.00a97250@pop3.iceka1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Windose shutdown diagnostic article List-Unsubscribe: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q145/9/26.asp Allan Ballard From cph Thu Mar 30 11:19:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22906 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:19:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19014; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:13 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18714; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18697; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:07 -0500 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05995 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port59.magma.ca [209.217.123.59]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13765 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:16:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:14:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:29 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: >It would be neat if there was a way to hook up a 3.5" HDD >to a 2.5" system =) ...SCSI? ;) Seriously, someone mentioned a way to put a 2.5" drive onto the parallel port. Apart from the big speed hit, is that practical? I've got three HDs now (10, 6, 4) and I wouldn't mind putting the 4 (with my CDs ripped to mp3) online with the others, assuming the parallel port could keep up with streaming the mp3s. Alternatively, what about USB? Or SCSI? I have a SCSI external CD-RW burner and the Adaptec 1450 card (the one with the tethered cable, claims to support only three devices and not HDs -- but perhaps an IDE HD would work with the right adapter?) TP600 (P266). Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] - ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOON9S2yNWkS9bbCHEQJdhwCg9HbPFW0S3TWEbaxb40fy3FeaGTQAoID2 XBBz9G5hi+qNF1j24orV+rbU =s7XW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 30 12:15:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23322 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:15:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24039; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:19 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23914; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from web704.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23901; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web704.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.24 -> web704.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 19500 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2000 17:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000330171415.19499.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.11.226.101] by web704.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:14:15 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Gemelos Reply-To: gemelos@erika.Stanford.EDU Subject: Batteries for TP 240 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can buy batteries for the TP 240 similar to the one that it comes with? The small battery, not the double capacity battery that is sold as an accessory on the IBM webpage. Also, does anyone know if there are standalone chargers for the TP240 batteries? Thanks Steven __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Thu Mar 30 13:56:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24209 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:56:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04895; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:27 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04696; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04675; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:14 -0500 Received: from [139.142.112.224] (helo=139-142-112-224.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12ak5x-0000s7-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:55:05 -0800 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:38:15 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >>It would be neat if there was a way to hook up a 3.5" HDD >>to a 2.5" system =) Docking Stations. However, the IDE on the Dock II is a very special cable designed to take at 2.5" drive, even though there's room inside the unit for something larger. > >...SCSI? ;) Yes, SCSI 3.5" in the docking station. No problem! It seems to me that the best external HD would be SCSI to PCMCIA. Not as good as docking station. More expensive than USB, but if you're serious about this need, you're serious about the solution. Unless something happened while I was out of the room, HD through Parallel port would be an amazing performance hit. >> >Seriously, someone mentioned a way to put a 2.5" drive onto the >parallel port. Apart from the big speed hit, is that practical? >I've got three HDs now (10, 6, 4) and I wouldn't mind putting the 4 >(with my CDs ripped to mp3) online with the others, assuming the >parallel port could keep up with streaming the mp3s. I see, if it is fast enough to do mp3, you don't care about the performance hit. I guess it might depend on the mp3 bit rate. I have a Microtek E6 scanner connected to my P133 desktop via SCSI. When a scan is being done, the computer is completely taken over. It can't do anything else. I wonder if Parallel or other SCSI operations could be equally grabby of the CPU's attentions? -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Thu Mar 30 14:07:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24330 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:07:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05744; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:05:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05648; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05631; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.62 -> snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:05:12 -0500 Received: from miles (sdn-ar-002njhackP316.dialsprint.net [168.191.59.222]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05967; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: "David Newman" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Adam Quantrill" , "David Ross" , Subject: RE: VMware Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Another way to virtualize: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/1532/1/ VM is *such* a fundamentally cool architecture dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:29 PM > To: Michael Geary > Cc: Adam Quantrill; David Ross; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: VMware > > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > ... doesn't Linux need to actually talk to the BIOS directly? > > > > Yup. Need the BIOS to boot the OS from "disk", too. So the > virtual machine > > has a Phoenix BIOS, along with some CMOS memory for the BIOS > settings (the > > CMOS is actually a file on the host OS, of course). > > Nevermind, I figured that out since the VM is supposed to emulate > a actual machine. > > > > ... So you can connect to a existing partition or existing > > > disk for that [guest] OS? > > > > Right, either use an existing partition, or create a virtual disk which > > lives inside a file in the host OS's file system. > > Pretty interesting. > > > > ... but does the thing just stop working after 30 days since > I might want > > > to use it for more than 30 days so I can save up the cash to get it. > > > > No, just go to www.vmware.com and download another trial > license. You can > > keep doing this every 30 days if you want--they don't try to prevent you > > from doing that. They probably figure you'll eventually get > tired of this > > and buy a license. > > Haha, never even knew you can do that. =) > > > > Is there anyway for the different Windows to share the registry > > > and the Start menu? > > > > Only by using whatever facilities to do this might be available > if you had > > separate physical machines. For example, I believe NT lets you > store user > > profiles on a server, so you could store these on the host > system and access > > them across the virtual network from the guest OS's. > > Yeah but I mean I would probably want to keep my Win98SE and then > go with Win2k so that it doesn't axe the Win98SE setup and run VM on top > of Win2k. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ > __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | > / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / > |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > From cph Thu Mar 30 14:13:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24367 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:13:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06573; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:11:42 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06296; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06283; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.42 -> www0m.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:11:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 24201 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2000 19:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000330191139.24200.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.42 by www0m for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Mar 30 19:11:39 GMT 2000 Date: 30 Mar 00 13:11:39 CST From: Rob Bell To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA24368 jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: > I have a Microtek E6 scanner connected to my P133 desktop via SCSI. > When a scan is being done, the computer is completely taken > over. It can't do anything else. I wonder if Parallel or > other SCSI operations could be equally grabby of the CPU's > attentions? I can tell you that my Umax scanner connected via parallel port on my Win98 desktop experiences the same thing. When scanning, you can't even move the mouse. I thought this might be due to the old scanner drivers (this is a Umax 300P scanner - quite old), or due to the parallel port interface. I guess I was wrong. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Mar 30 15:05:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24841 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:05:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10722; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:02:45 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10571; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10541; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:02:36 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax1.vramp.net [198.138.8.64]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01555 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:03:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Egghead/Onsale and Bidwatch Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Some further digressions on Egghead auctions. While watching the Thinkpad 600 that was going yesterday I noted something peculiar. Let me preface the following by saying upfront that I'm not a big auction shopper on any of the sites, so if this question displays an enormous amount of ignorance, consider the source and forgive me. :-) When I first tuned in, which was right around the closing time, the (IIRC 8) TP600s they had were bid at 1 at $1509 and 6 or 7 bids at $1409. Most of the lower bids had the little icon next them which identifies them as having been made by Bidwatch. I answered a few emails and went back to my browser and refreshed the page. BANG! ALL of the Bidwatch bids were now at $1509! No intermediate increases, just straight to matching the high bidder. And as there had been new bids on the item after the closing, the Auction was now in Going, Going, Gone status until there had been no new bids for some period of time. Even if the Bidwatch bidders had specified a max bid far above the $1509 that was bid, had they simply bided their time they would have won at $1409. Or, an incremental bid could have been made at $1459 to win the auction. I realize that there could have been some intermediate bids that I didn't see, but there didn't appear to be a _lot_ of activity on the units beyond that apparently generated by Bidwatch. So my question is, who benefits from Bidwatch? Certainly not the bidders based on the above. Or I am just (as usual) missing something obvious. Regards, James the Puzzled From cph Thu Mar 30 15:41:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25149 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:41:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13484; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:38:33 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13391; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13357; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:38:26 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a39.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.199]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7631F25E30; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:36:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38E3BB3C.8B5E75A0@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:38:20 -0700 From: Ray Canyon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am frustrated by the IBM web sites related to parts for my 760XL and Keyboard... several people responded with descriptions and part numbers for the Y-Connector that enables the connection of the 13H6705 Keyboard. The number of the part is said to be 54G0441... but when I contact the web site, it says no such number... Does anybody have experience talking to a real person somewhere at IBM to purchase this expensive little devil? Ray Bayles From cph Thu Mar 30 16:03:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25337 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:03:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16795; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:01:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16694; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16378; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:01:07 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax1.vramp.net [198.138.8.64]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05271; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:01:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Ray Canyon" , Subject: RE: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <38E3BB3C.8B5E75A0@theriver.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Ray, http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=54G 0441&cntry=840&lang=en_US or call 1 888 SHOPIBM and give the number to a person. $39 is pretty stiff for just the splitter, especially when you consider there are people selling the IBM keyboard with the Trackpoint for $35 and it COMES with a splitter. Belkin makes one also that I've seen in Best Buy for approx. $20, and I've gotten generic ones for as little as $12. It's been my experience that if you find a generic one and the connecters are marked as to which is for the keyboard and which for the mouse (don't laugh, I've seen some that aren't!) they'll work just fine. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Canyon [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:38 PM > To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector > > > I am frustrated by the IBM web sites related to parts for my 760XL and > Keyboard... several people responded with descriptions and part numbers > for the Y-Connector that enables the connection of the 13H6705 Keyboard. > The number of the part is said to be 54G0441... but when I contact the > web site, it says no such number... > > Does anybody have experience talking to a real person somewhere at IBM > to purchase this expensive little devil? > > Ray Bayles > From cph Thu Mar 30 16:05:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25362 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:05:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17328; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17187; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17174; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:20 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-161.cisco.com [171.69.70.161]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id NAA04240; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:03:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E3C0DD.645BAB69@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:02:21 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Egghead/Onsale and Bidwatch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps bidwatch is buggy when it comes to dutch auctions? (-:* "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Some further digressions on Egghead auctions. While watching the Thinkpad 600 > that was going yesterday I noted something peculiar. > > Let me preface the following by saying upfront that I'm not a big auction > shopper on any of the sites, so if this question displays an enormous amount of > ignorance, consider the source and forgive me. :-) > > When I first tuned in, which was right around the closing time, the (IIRC 8) > TP600s they had were bid at 1 at $1509 and 6 or 7 bids at $1409. Most of the > lower bids had the little icon next them which identifies them as having been > made by Bidwatch. > > I answered a few emails and went back to my browser and refreshed the page. > BANG! ALL of the Bidwatch bids were now at $1509! No intermediate increases, > just straight to matching the high bidder. And as there had been new bids on the > item after the closing, the Auction was now in Going, Going, Gone status until > there had been no new bids for some period of time. > > Even if the Bidwatch bidders had specified a max bid far above the $1509 that > was bid, had they simply bided their time they would have won at $1409. Or, an > incremental bid could have been made at $1459 to win the auction. I realize > that there could have been some intermediate bids that I didn't see, but there > didn't appear to be a _lot_ of activity on the units beyond that apparently > generated by Bidwatch. > > So my question is, who benefits from Bidwatch? Certainly not the bidders based > on the above. Or I am just (as usual) missing something obvious. > > Regards, > > James the Puzzled From cph Thu Mar 30 17:03:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25872 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:03:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23665; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23528; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23513; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from HPDDB(ilima023.lava.net[207.26.196.70]) (4520 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:02:50 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <005801bf9a95$8b632b40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> Reply-To: "Keith @ Phoenix" From: "Keith @ Phoenix" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 701 power settings Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Hi there everyone, I've just retooled my thinkpad 701c with a new OS. = I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty peppy(well right now with = a virgin OS anyway). I am still having problems with the = powermanagement hardware though. Here is the problem. At 30% remaining = on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and instantlys shuts off. = I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as suggested from this = list, but at 30% I still shut down. What gives? I have updated the = BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter utility = too, but still no go. Any suggestions? Is there another hardware = setting I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about? I currently = have my power settings at Custom. I have told it never to shut down the = hard drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, = but I don't see something that sets the automatic shut down when power = is low. Thanks one and all. =20 --Keith =20 Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--Hi there everyone, I've just retooled = my thinkpad=20 701c with a new OS.  I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty=20 peppy(well right now with a virgin OS anyway).  I am still having = problems=20 with the powermanagement hardware though.  Here is the = problem.  At=20 30% remaining on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and = instantlys shuts=20 off.  I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as = suggested from=20 this list, but at 30% I still shut down.  What gives?  I have = updated=20 the BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter = utility too,=20 but still no go.  Any suggestions?  Is there another hardware = setting=20 I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about?  I currently have = my=20 power settings at Custom.  I have told it never to shut down the = hard=20 drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, but = I don't=20 see something that sets the automatic shut down when power is low.  = Thanks=20 one and all. 
 
    --Keith  =
 
 
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   =             &= nbsp;=20 kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580-- From cph Thu Mar 30 18:32:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26690 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:32:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00405; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:06 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00221; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00204; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:04 -0500 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09683 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew (hs-port64.magma.ca [209.217.123.64]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14366 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003302331.SAA14366@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <38E3BB3C.8B5E75A0@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:38:20 -0700, Ray Canyon wrote: >I am frustrated by the IBM web sites related to parts for >my 760XL and Keyboard... several people responded with >descriptions and part numbers for the Y-Connector that >enables the connection of the 13H6705 Keyboard. The >number of the part is said to be 54G0441... but when I >contact the web site, it says no such number... It's not that I disbelieve you, but I just went to www.ibm.com, clicked on "shop IBM", and put that number into the "know the part? type it here" box. It came back with the Y-connector at U$39. >Does anybody have experience talking to a real person >somewhere at IBM to purchase this expensive little devil? I agree with James's reply, maybe you should call. If they can't help you, remember that the Ottawa IBM store has (had) two in stock at C$38 (~U$26) each. Fedex would be at least $20 more from Ottawa to the southwestern US. Let me know if this would be helpful. (I'm on eastern time so I'd need to know fairly early tomorrow). andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] - ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOOPjP2yNWkS9bbCHEQKjdACglTSAXJuQXsJwmuhuwUnr/5zh37AAnjxY W+XVgnv7bBYOdoFbKkew0/Mr =uKeS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Mar 30 18:39:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26753 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01028; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:39 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00942; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00927; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:35 -0500 Received: from default - 63.22.251.252 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:39:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01bf9aa0$d8a4ff40$fcfb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: 560 Hard drive needed Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:36:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Looking for something in the 4 gig - 6 gig neighborhood. Please email with price. Brad From cph Thu Mar 30 20:36:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27566 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:36:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09372; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:35:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09233; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09220; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:35:24 -0500 Received: from 208-58-192-55.s55.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.55] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12aqKl-0006MW-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:34:48 -0500 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:34:27 GMT Message-ID: <20000331.1342700@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Linux on 701CS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA27567 I have a 701CS (AMD 5x86-133 w/ 40MB). I have it in a Dock II with SCSI CD and floppy disk. I get a boot failed with I try run the install with RH 6.0. Any ideas? Rusty From cph Thu Mar 30 21:37:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27892 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:37:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12921; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:36:10 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12792; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12764; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:36:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA78488; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:36:04 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:36:04 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: David Newman cc: Michael Geary , Adam Quantrill , David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: VMware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, David Newman wrote: > Another way to virtualize: > > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/1532/1/ > > VM is *such* a fundamentally cool architecture Yep, I know it's cool and everything. I just wished there was a way since I am using Win98SE now to keep the Win98SE partition and make a new Win2k partition based on my Win98SE stuff and then run VMWare with the Win98SE stuff under it. So what happens is what doesn't run in Win2k, i'll just use the Win98SE side. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Thu Mar 30 22:17:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28122 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:17:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17443; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17316; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17296; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:36 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.50) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 30 Mar 2000 22:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101bf9ac0$6b1faea0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:22:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01BF9A96.81910500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01BF9A96.81910500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this = story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of = Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. -Jamie ---------------------------------------- Those who know don't say, Those who say don't know. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01BF9A96.81910500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    I thought maybe some = members=20 would be interested in reading this story at Cnet's news.com. Quick = article on=20 IBM's 10 Million'th sale of Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, = 560, and=20 600.
 
-Jamie
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------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01BF9A96.81910500-- From cph Thu Mar 30 22:20:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28143 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:20:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17876; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:20:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17799; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17782; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:19:55 -0500 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.50) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 30 Mar 2000 22:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: <010401bf9ac0$de10bb20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:26:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: (sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the cracks) Hello, I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. -Jamie ---------------------------------------- Those who know don't say, Those who say don't know. From cph Thu Mar 30 22:48:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28295 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:48:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20456; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:47:14 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20283; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20270; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:47:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 6601 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2000 03:47:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000331034707.6600.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web106.yahoomail.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:47:07 PST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: They sell a device like that at Fry's but you could also make your own since it's just a plug and two jacks. --- "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Ray, > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=54G > 0441&cntry=840&lang=en_US or call 1 888 SHOPIBM and > give the number to a person. > > $39 is pretty stiff for just the splitter, > especially when you consider there > are people selling the IBM keyboard with the > Trackpoint for $35 and it COMES > with a splitter. > > Belkin makes one also that I've seen in Best Buy for > approx. $20, and I've > gotten generic ones for as little as $12. It's been > my experience that if you > find a generic one and the connecters are marked as > to which is for the keyboard > and which for the mouse (don't laugh, I've seen some > that aren't!) they'll work > just fine. > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Canyon [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:38 PM > > To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector > > > > > > I am frustrated by the IBM web sites related to > parts for my 760XL and > > Keyboard... several people responded with > descriptions and part numbers > > for the Y-Connector that enables the connection of > the 13H6705 Keyboard. > > The number of the part is said to be 54G0441... > but when I contact the > > web site, it says no such number... > > > > Does anybody have experience talking to a real > person somewhere at IBM > > to purchase this expensive little devil? > > > > Ray Bayles > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Thu Mar 30 23:20:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28490 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22710; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:21 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22622; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22594; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.48.50 -> p204.181.48.50.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:20:12 -0500 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA23147; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:19:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: <200003310419.VAA23147@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: lingenfr@erols.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: A counter example: I installed Slackware 3.5 on a 701C docked in a Dock II via its SCSI CD-ROM with no trouble. Need more information regarding "...I get a boot failed". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:34:27 GMT I have a 701CS (AMD 5x86-133 w/ 40MB). I have it in a Dock II with SCSI CD and floppy disk. I get a boot failed with I try run the install with RH 6.0. Any ideas? Rusty From cph Fri Mar 31 00:43:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28806 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:43:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28643; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:42:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28544; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28528; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:42:18 -0500 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.240]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:42:10 -1000 Message-ID: <00d101bf9a0a$d9a84fa0$f0e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <20000331.1342700@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Linux on 701CS Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:43:16 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --As I recall my Red Hat has to boot off of a LILO boot floppy. If your 701 is set to boot on Hard Drive, then it is ignoring the floppy drive for a OS disk when booting. Change it to Smart or Conventional and it should boot. If that doesn't work, try booting from another floppy say with Win95 or Win98 on it. You might just have a bad boot floppy. Hope I've helped. --Keith (fellow vintage 701 user) Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rusty Lingenfelter To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Linux on 701CS I have a 701CS (AMD 5x86-133 w/ 40MB). I have it in a Dock II with SCSI CD and floppy disk. I get a boot failed with I try run the install with RH 6.0. Any ideas? Rusty From cph Fri Mar 31 02:16:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29154 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:16:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02493; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:11:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02195; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02181; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.139 -> mx02.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:11:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 9374 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2000 01:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26329 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2000 22:05:59 -0000 Received: from cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1] by mx02 via mtad (2.6) with ESMTP id 600ecdwF10129M02; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:05:54 GMT Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23630; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23528; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23513; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from HPDDB(ilima023.lava.net[207.26.196.70]) (4520 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:02:50 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <005801bf9a95$8b632b40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> Reply-To: "Keith @ Phoenix" From: "Keith @ Phoenix" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 701 power settings Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Hi there everyone, I've just retooled my thinkpad 701c with a new OS. = I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty peppy(well right now with = a virgin OS anyway). I am still having problems with the = powermanagement hardware though. Here is the problem. At 30% remaining = on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and instantlys shuts off. = I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as suggested from this = list, but at 30% I still shut down. What gives? I have updated the = BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter utility = too, but still no go. Any suggestions? Is there another hardware = setting I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about? I currently = have my power settings at Custom. I have told it never to shut down the = hard drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, = but I don't see something that sets the automatic shut down when power = is low. Thanks one and all. =20 --Keith =20 Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--Hi there everyone, I've just retooled = my thinkpad=20 701c with a new OS.  I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty=20 peppy(well right now with a virgin OS anyway).  I am still having = problems=20 with the powermanagement hardware though.  Here is the = problem.  At=20 30% remaining on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and = instantlys shuts=20 off.  I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as = suggested from=20 this list, but at 30% I still shut down.  What gives?  I have = updated=20 the BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter = utility too,=20 but still no go.  Any suggestions?  Is there another hardware = setting=20 I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about?  I currently have = my=20 power settings at Custom.  I have told it never to shut down the = hard=20 drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, but = I don't=20 see something that sets the automatic shut down when power is low.  = Thanks=20 one and all. 
 
    --Keith  =
 
 
Keith Wong
System Administrator - = IKON Business=20 Information Systems
Honolulu Police Department site - Records=20 Division
Office: (808) 529-3434
Pager:(808) 290-0888
Home:(808) = 949-0345
E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com
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   =             &= nbsp;=20 kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580-- From cph Fri Mar 31 02:35:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29224 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:35:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03014; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:33:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02878; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02864; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.139 -> mx02.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:33:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 25192 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2000 02:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 9374 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2000 01:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26329 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2000 22:05:59 -0000 Received: from cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1] by mx02 via mtad (2.6) with ESMTP id 600ecdwF10129M02; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:05:54 GMT Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23630; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23528; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23513; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from HPDDB(ilima023.lava.net[207.26.196.70]) (4520 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:02:50 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <005801bf9a95$8b632b40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> Reply-To: "Keith @ Phoenix" From: "Keith @ Phoenix" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 701 power settings Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Hi there everyone, I've just retooled my thinkpad 701c with a new OS. = I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty peppy(well right now with = a virgin OS anyway). I am still having problems with the = powermanagement hardware though. Here is the problem. At 30% remaining = on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and instantlys shuts off. = I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as suggested from this = list, but at 30% I still shut down. What gives? I have updated the = BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter utility = too, but still no go. Any suggestions? Is there another hardware = setting I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about? I currently = have my power settings at Custom. I have told it never to shut down the = hard drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, = but I don't see something that sets the automatic shut down when power = is low. Thanks one and all. =20 --Keith =20 Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--Hi there everyone, I've just retooled = my thinkpad=20 701c with a new OS.  I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty=20 peppy(well right now with a virgin OS anyway).  I am still having = problems=20 with the powermanagement hardware though.  Here is the = problem.  At=20 30% remaining on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and = instantlys shuts=20 off.  I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as = suggested from=20 this list, but at 30% I still shut down.  What gives?  I have = updated=20 the BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter = utility too,=20 but still no go.  Any suggestions?  Is there another hardware = setting=20 I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about?  I currently have = my=20 power settings at Custom.  I have told it never to shut down the = hard=20 drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, but = I don't=20 see something that sets the automatic shut down when power is low.  = Thanks=20 one and all. 
 
    --Keith  =
 
 
Keith Wong
System Administrator - = IKON Business=20 Information Systems
Honolulu Police Department site - Records=20 Division
Office: (808) 529-3434
Pager:(808) 290-0888
Home:(808) = 949-0345
E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com
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   =             &= nbsp;=20 kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580-- From cph Fri Mar 31 02:59:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29316 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:59:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03830; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:57:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03680; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03665; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx02.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.139 -> mx02.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:57:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 8984 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2000 02:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1745 invoked by uid 0); 31 Mar 2000 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from cs.utk.edu [128.169.94.1] by mx02 via mtad (2.6) with ESMTP id 600ecdwF10129M02; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:05:54 GMT Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23630; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:59 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23528; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23513; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from HPDDB(ilima023.lava.net[207.26.196.70]) (4520 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:02:50 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <005801bf9a95$8b632b40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> Reply-To: "Keith @ Phoenix" From: "Keith @ Phoenix" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 701 power settings Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Hi there everyone, I've just retooled my thinkpad 701c with a new OS. = I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty peppy(well right now with = a virgin OS anyway). I am still having problems with the = powermanagement hardware though. Here is the problem. At 30% remaining = on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and instantlys shuts off. = I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as suggested from this = list, but at 30% I still shut down. What gives? I have updated the = BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter utility = too, but still no go. Any suggestions? Is there another hardware = setting I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about? I currently = have my power settings at Custom. I have told it never to shut down the = hard drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, = but I don't see something that sets the automatic shut down when power = is low. Thanks one and all. =20 --Keith =20 Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--Hi there everyone, I've just retooled = my thinkpad=20 701c with a new OS.  I've put on Win98 SE and it's actually pretty=20 peppy(well right now with a virgin OS anyway).  I am still having = problems=20 with the powermanagement hardware though.  Here is the = problem.  At=20 30% remaining on the battery the hardware sounds the alarms and = instantlys shuts=20 off.  I have downloaded the battery meter reconditioner as = suggested from=20 this list, but at 30% I still shut down.  What gives?  I have = updated=20 the BIOS from Bill Morrows website before I ran the battery meter = utility too,=20 but still no go.  Any suggestions?  Is there another hardware = setting=20 I can change in the BIOS that I don't know about?  I currently have = my=20 power settings at Custom.  I have told it never to shut down the = hard=20 drive, and to shut down the display after 15 minutes of inactivity, but = I don't=20 see something that sets the automatic shut down when power is low.  = Thanks=20 one and all. 
 
    --Keith  =
 
 
Keith Wong
System Administrator - = IKON Business=20 Information Systems
Honolulu Police Department site - Records=20 Division
Office: (808) 529-3434
Pager:(808) 290-0888
Home:(808) = 949-0345
E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com
&nbs= p;            = ;   =20 pirate@lava.net
   =             &= nbsp;=20 kwong@email.uophx.edu ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF9A41.B6577580-- From cph Fri Mar 31 08:40:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30676 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:40:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23897; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:38:13 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23602; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23404; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.21 -> web701.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:34:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 12827 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2000 13:34:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000331133417.12826.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.11.226.102] by web701.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:34:17 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:34:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Gemelos Reply-To: gemelos@yahoo.com Subject: 240: Standby vs. Suspend vs. Hibernate To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I just received a TP 240 a few days ago - it is my first IBM laptop. Prior to this I have been using Dell exclusively. My question is based on the different functions of Dell and IBM. Dell has two modes - Standby and Suspend. IBM has two modes - Standby and Hibernate. The Standby for Dell and IBM is (as far as I can tell) the same - turn off the screen and hard drive. The Suspend is very different from the Hibernate - like the Hibernate, Suspend copies the current memory to the hard drive, but then it turns off almost all of the computer. It DOES NOT shut down the OS, so when you resume it just spins up the drives, turns on the screen, and restores the memory - your back up in 10 seconds. The Hibernate actually shuts down the OS, so you have to boot the OS before it restores the memory. This takes a minute or two. Am I missing something? With my Dell I would travel with the computer in Suspend mode - and could be up and working in seconds - it was great, and barely touched the battery (suspend overnight would maybe loose 1% to 2% of battery). Using Standby on the IBM to achieve the same function would drain the battery too fast. Again, Am I missing something? Thanks Steven __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Mar 31 09:09:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30815 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:09:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25600; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:07 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25460; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25447; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (206.161.15.5 -> radagast.wizard.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:05 -0500 Received: from saruman.wizard.net (saruman.wizard.net [206.161.15.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22447; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24516; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan To: Steven Gemelos cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 240: Standby vs. Suspend vs. Hibernate In-Reply-To: <20000331133417.12826.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: The 240 has all three modes. To suspend, use Fn-F4. However, suspend on the 240 seems to drain more power than suspend did on my 701CS. I haven't dome much testing of this - it's just a first impression. Yours, Jonathan On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Steven Gemelos wrote: > I just received a TP 240 a few days ago - it is > my first IBM laptop. Prior to this I have been > using Dell exclusively. > > My question is based on the different functions > of Dell and IBM. Dell has two modes - Standby and > Suspend. IBM has two modes - Standby and Hibernate. > The Standby for Dell and IBM is (as far as I can > tell) the same - turn off the screen and hard > drive. The Suspend is very different from the > Hibernate - like the Hibernate, Suspend copies > the current memory to the hard drive, but then > it turns off almost all of the computer. It DOES > NOT shut down the OS, so when you resume it just > spins up the drives, turns on the screen, and > restores the memory - your back up in 10 seconds. > The Hibernate actually shuts down the OS, so you > have to boot the OS before it restores the memory. > This takes a minute or two. > > Am I missing something? > > With my Dell I would travel with the computer in > Suspend mode - and could be up and working in > seconds - it was great, and barely touched the > battery (suspend overnight would maybe loose 1% > to 2% of battery). > > Using Standby on the IBM to achieve the same > function would drain the battery too fast. > > Again, Am I missing something? > > Thanks > > Steven > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From cph Fri Mar 31 09:26:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30920 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:26:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27471; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:29 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27033; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27019; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:25 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.49]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000331142522.EAZC22495.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: <011701bf9b1c$da3bb980$310c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Power supplies for 560/701/730 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:14:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have repaired damaged power cords for the "bricks" before. What I do is use an "exacto" knife and carefully scribe all around the case, cutting a bit more with each cut. This allows a clean " break". I do this only AFTER I have cut the barrel connecter and 6 inches of cable off and then used a VOM to check for output. Most of the time, the problem is around the barrel or an in inch or so away. I have also bought generic 15.5 volt supplies that are somewhat large, but after soldering on the correct sized barrel, have worked, without problems, for several months. they cost around $ 5.00 at electronics supply houses such as Tanners in Dallas,TX or EPO in Houston, TX . The thinkpads will also run on airline EMPOWER directly, in as much as the specs are 15.2 ~ 15.8 volts, 4 amp max, will within IBM specs. From cph Fri Mar 31 09:26:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30924 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:26:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27543; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:37 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27117; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27075; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:31 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.49]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000331142527.EAZR22495.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:25:27 +0000 Message-ID: <011801bf9b1c$dd36aa00$310c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 730 docking station Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:21:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have seen where someone has taken the 730s docking system out of the suitcase, sawed the thing down, and made a neat small system. http://lexxdog.com/~kate/730t For the pix. From cph Fri Mar 31 12:14:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32051 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:14:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15016; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14866; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14843; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:42 -0500 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-8-240.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.35.240]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22455 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: 240: Standby vs. Suspend vs. Hibernate Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bf9b34$52432500$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000331133417.12826.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Odd, because hibernate on my TP770ED never shuts the OS down. It commits the entire contents of the memory to disk, and retrieves those contents when I tell the machine to go on again. Suspend puts the machine in super sleep mode, and the memory is just kept "hot" so to speak, until you revive the machine. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Gemelos [mailto:gemelos@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:34 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 240: Standby vs. Suspend vs. Hibernate > > > I just received a TP 240 a few days ago - it is > my first IBM laptop. Prior to this I have been > using Dell exclusively. > > My question is based on the different functions > of Dell and IBM. Dell has two modes - Standby and > Suspend. IBM has two modes - Standby and Hibernate. > The Standby for Dell and IBM is (as far as I can > tell) the same - turn off the screen and hard > drive. The Suspend is very different from the > Hibernate - like the Hibernate, Suspend copies > the current memory to the hard drive, but then > it turns off almost all of the computer. It DOES > NOT shut down the OS, so when you resume it just > spins up the drives, turns on the screen, and > restores the memory - your back up in 10 seconds. > The Hibernate actually shuts down the OS, so you > have to boot the OS before it restores the memory. > This takes a minute or two. > > Am I missing something? > > With my Dell I would travel with the computer in > Suspend mode - and could be up and working in > seconds - it was great, and barely touched the > battery (suspend overnight would maybe loose 1% > to 2% of battery). > > Using Standby on the IBM to achieve the same > function would drain the battery too fast. > > Again, Am I missing something? > > Thanks > > Steven > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From cph Fri Mar 31 12:17:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32076 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15634; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:15:53 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15519; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15502; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (208.212.35.203) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:15:50 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10481 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:10:26 -0600 Message-Id: <200003311710.LAA10481@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Subject: keytop popped off... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:10:26 -0600 (CST) From: "pooh" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ack! two of my keytops have popped halfway off...they're still connected on the left side of the keytop..but I can't get 'em to snap back in place... is there a special funky way to do this? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." Programmer/Analyst | -Prince City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: email: | | Sacred Soul Records | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- http://bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph Fri Mar 31 12:17:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32080 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15995; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15882; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15863; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:15 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA26039; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:13 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA19701; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331091044.02fd9b90@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:15:54 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Author Chris Elliot tells a story that many on this list has often already told: That IBM EZServe has gotten lousy. The topper is when an "IBM Spokesman" says he is "dubious" of the guy's story. How friggin' ARROGANT of this bastard! Those of us on the list KNOW its true because we've either experienced it ourselves or know others who have! Anyway, its really worth a read. Here's where to go: **--THE TRAVEL TECHNOLOGIST--** IBM User Has Second Thoughts About His Pad Lots of business travelers use a ThinkPad. Read about one traveler's not so positive experience. Could it happen to you? http://misc.biztravel.com/technologist.htm From cph Fri Mar 31 12:41:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32317 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:41:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18502; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18340; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18319; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:40 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax35.vramp.net [198.138.8.98]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11703; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:46:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331091044.02fd9b90@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Randy, Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] wrote: > Author Chris Elliot tells a story that many on this list has often > already told: That IBM EZServe has gotten lousy. > > The topper is when an "IBM Spokesman" says he is "dubious" of the > guy's story. How friggin' ARROGANT of this bastard! Those of us on the > list KNOW its true because we've either experienced it ourselves or know > others who have! Not to play devil's advocate, as Lord knows IBM has enough mouthpieces out there including the one cited above, but in _this_ instance, it really does sound like a software problem. I all too often find clients dragging "this POS" into my office and complaining that it "won't work". NLT 75% of the time the failure is software related, not hardware. Just my $.02. Regards, James From cph Fri Mar 31 12:53:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32435 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19758; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19676; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19659; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.57 -> web122.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 23699 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2000 17:52:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000331175237.23698.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web122.yahoomail.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:52:37 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service To: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA19758 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA32436 As a computer technician at a local college, I have run into Steve Holden’s problem with hard drives and also IBM's difficulty in getting it fixed. Hardware problems are often intermittant and frequently can't be reproduced on demand. I have had similar problems with the Seagate drives in our Toshiba desktop computers. Most all of the hard drives in 150 machines have failed and had to be replaced. It starts out like Holden's problem, with a few intermittant errors, then gets worse and finally dies completely. I replace the hard drive after the second time there is a problem, which is what IBM should have done but I wouldn't condemn the whole company for just one mistake. --- Randal Whittle wrote: > Author Chris Elliot tells a story that many > on this list has often > already told: That IBM EZServe has gotten lousy. > > The topper is when an "IBM Spokesman" says > he is "dubious" of the > guy's story. How friggin' ARROGANT of this bastard! > Those of us on the > list KNOW its true because we've either experienced > it ourselves or know > others who have! > > Anyway, its really worth a read. Here's > where to go: > > **--THE TRAVEL TECHNOLOGIST--** > > IBM User Has Second Thoughts About His Pad > > Lots of business travelers use a ThinkPad. Read > about one > traveler's not so positive experience. Could it > happen to you? > http://misc.biztravel.com/technologist.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Mar 31 12:53:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32439 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20000; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19875; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19849; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail.rpi.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:13 -0500 Received: from qwertyuiopqwerty (kumara2-1.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.199.139]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA707516 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:06 -0500 From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:48:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Please I have a ThinkPad that's been back to IBM 5 times still isn't fixed and the last time it came back the case had been badly damaged. And every time I talk to IBM its like pulling teeth they tell me "We have already concussed the repairs on your ThinkPad more then once." As the costumer I don't care how many times IBM has to foot the bill I want a working ThinkPad. More importantly Easy Serve continuously forgets to fix things!!! I don't see how they can claim rigorous testing. As for software I the other guys case, if the hard drive is making clicking sounds then it is the hard drive! -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:46 PM To: Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Not to play devil's advocate, as Lord knows IBM has enough mouthpieces out there including the one cited above, but in _this_ instance, it really does sound like a software problem. I all too often find clients dragging "this POS" into my office and complaining that it "won't work". NLT 75% of the time the failure is software related, not hardware. Just my $.02. Regards, James From cph Fri Mar 31 13:11:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32560 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21845; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21741; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21727; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:11:12 -0500 Received: from TP560X (255-40.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.40]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01443 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:10 +0300 Message-Id: <200003311811.VAA01443@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:11:09 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <010401bf9ac0$de10bb20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: While you were at it, you could have mentioned the URL of the story (OK, it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html). In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a 25Mhz 486 introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM laptop: I seem to remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't these machines called ThinkPads? Does someone know of a URL with a complete history covering all ThinkPads? Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in use) On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 at 10:26 PM you, "Slip" , said: >(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the cracks) >Hello, > I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this >story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of >Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. >-Jamie From cph Fri Mar 31 13:26:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32692 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:26:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23460; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23228; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23207; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:06 -0500 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-35.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.141]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14710 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:24:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000331132047.00ce4390@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:11 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... In-Reply-To: <200003311811.VAA01443@mail.clinet.fi> References: <010401bf9ac0$de10bb20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'll have to read that article. I have a nit pick about it however, which is the 700C wasn't the first ThinkPad--the 700 was. The 700C came out like the next week or something, but the 700 mono was a little bit earlier than the color 700C. I had a 700C. Wonderful machine, except for the HORRID hinge problem; in the 20 months I had it, I had five screen changes, four of them due to failing hinges. At 09:11 PM 3/31/00 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >While you were at it, you could have mentioned the URL of the story (OK, >it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html). > >In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a 25Mhz 486 >introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM laptop: I seem to >remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't these machines >called ThinkPads? > >Does someone know of a URL with a complete history covering all ThinkPads? > >Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in use) > > >On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 at 10:26 PM you, "Slip" , >said: > > >(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the cracks) > > >Hello, > > I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this > >story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of > >Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. > > >-Jamie From cph Fri Mar 31 13:26:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32700 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:26:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23609; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:55 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23468; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23412; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:48 -0500 Received: from nycexbh01.mi8.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:17:00 -0500 Received: by nycexbh01.mi8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602939B64@nycexis01.mi8.com> From: Steve Hultquist To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:15:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF9B3D.2241CD12" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9B3D.2241CD12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems like they were PS/2s? I remember the Thinkpad announcement (I was working for IBM at the time). They had the TrackPoint (which was a huge deal at the time) and the red accent color scheme. However, there were non-color versions of the 700, I think. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:11 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... While you were at it, you could have mentioned the URL of the story (OK, it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html). In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a 25Mhz 486 introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM laptop: I seem to remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't these machines called ThinkPads? Does someone know of a URL with a complete history covering all ThinkPads? Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in use) On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 at 10:26 PM you, "Slip" , said: >(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the cracks) >Hello, > I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this >story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of >Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. >-Jamie ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9B3D.2241CD12 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark...

I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems = like they were PS/2s? I remember the Thinkpad announcement (I was = working for IBM at the time). They had the TrackPoint (which was a huge = deal at the time) and the red accent color scheme. However, there were = non-color versions of the 700, I think.

ssh

-----Original Message-----
From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:11 PM
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million = Thinkpad mark...


While you were at it, you could have mentioned the = URL of the story (OK,
it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html)= .

In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the = 700C, a 25Mhz 486
introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an = IBM laptop: I seem to
remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. = Weren't these machines
called ThinkPads?

Does someone know of a URL with a complete history = covering all ThinkPads?

Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in = use)


On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 at 10:26 PM you, "Slip" = <slipnfall@planetcable.net>,
said:

>(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru = the cracks)

>Hello,
>    I thought maybe some members = would be interested in reading this
>story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's = 10 Million'th sale of
>Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, = and 600.

>-Jamie

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9B3D.2241CD12-- From cph Fri Mar 31 13:26:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32704 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:26:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23497; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:14 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23262; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23245; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:25:12 -0500 Received: from e770 (e770.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.39]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09504; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:25:10 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331105939.00a7b9b0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:25:09 -0700 To: Randal Whittle From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331091044.02fd9b90@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:15 AM 3/31/00 -0800, you wrote: > Author Chris Elliot tells a story that many on this list has > often already told: That IBM EZServe has gotten lousy. > > The topper is when an "IBM Spokesman" says he is "dubious" of the > guy's story. How friggin' ARROGANT of this bastard! Those of us on the > list KNOW its true because we've either experienced it ourselves or know > others who have! > > Anyway, its really worth a read. Here's where to go: > >**--THE TRAVEL TECHNOLOGIST--** > >IBM User Has Second Thoughts About His Pad > >Lots of business travelers use a ThinkPad. Read about one >traveler's not so positive experience. Could it happen to you? >http://misc.biztravel.com/technologist.htm > Well, I'm convinced that EZServe isn't doing it's job OR that IBM ThinkPad 770E machines have design/manufacturing flaws. In December, I sent my 770E (9548-52U NT preload machine) to EZServe as the backlight was going out or flickering after running for a while and the speakers started emitting static after running for hours. They kept the machine for 10 days and replaced the CPU card, inverter card, and the speakers. It seemed to work when I (finally) got it back. It is now March and the display has started flickering again and if I run the machine for more than a few hours, I have to turn the volume down completely to stop the static. The same problems I sent the machine in for 3 months ago! Seems that whatever they did didn't fix the problems. The problems are NOT software as both problems happen under three completely different OSs (NT 4 SP6a, fully patched Sun Solaris 7, and DOS 7). When I called IBM they told me they wouldn't work on a machine that had an OS other than the installed one. What kind of service is that? (the machine triple boots IBM PC-DOS 7, NT 4, and Solaris 7 on a 14 GB disk). So I send it in with the original 5 GB disk with NT as built from the recovery CD. IBM has also released various versions of the video driver for this machine which have flaws that result in lockups of NT when running things like Adobe Acrobat or an Xserver for NT (from Sun). These video lockups (reset button is the ONLY thing that works) happen only under NT so it is an NT driver issue. The current rev seems to have fixed most of these video related crashes. Anyone have a suggestion for a good desktop replacement machine that is reliable and well supported? It would be good to be able to run Win 2000 and Solaris and have a large HD. Stuart From cph Fri Mar 31 13:29:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32733 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24386; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:40 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24238; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24225; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (206.180.224.3 -> tdl.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:28:37 -0500 Received: from chuck (pm1i-213.tdl.com [206.180.234.213]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21977 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:28:20 -0800 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:28:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <38E47DBD.24183.53F9A56@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200003311811.VAA01443@mail.clinet.fi> References: <010401bf9ac0$de10bb20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 31 Mar 2000, at 21:11, Dominique Pivard wrote: > > In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a 25Mhz 486 > introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM laptop: I seem to > remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't these machines > called ThinkPads?... No, they were called the PS/Note. Nice machine for its day. Chuck Blaisdell From cph Fri Mar 31 13:30:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32745 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:30:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24748; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24667; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24628; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:41 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.118]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000331182940.YBWM26411.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:29:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01bf9b3e$fb7527e0$763a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: ThinkpadZ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:28:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The first laptop IBM sold was the "Convertable". This machine was a marketing failure,so much so that IBM convertables were being sold on the, then new, shopping channel. The first portable computers IBM made were used by the military in the late 70s, they really did very little, that was when they worked at all. From cph Fri Mar 31 13:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00499 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27216; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27139; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27126; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:50:58 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial23.auto-net.com [208.154.252.72]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14066 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:36:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38E49ECC.413929D5@iso.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:49:16 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... References: <200003311811.VAA01443@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try . It is not finished. Bill > > Does someone know of a URL with a complete history covering all ThinkPads? > > From cph Fri Mar 31 14:04:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA00618 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:04:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28786; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:03:56 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28684; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28668; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:03:53 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial23.auto-net.com [208.154.252.72]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14487 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:49:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38E4A1D1.57BDA59@iso.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:02:09 +0000 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... References: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602939B64@nycexis01.mi8.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: According to IBM's TWBOOK the 700's are listed as Thinkpads. And according to the Harware Maintenance Manual Vol 1: Laptop L40SX Laptop CL57 Notebook N45SL Notebook N51XX Portable P70/P75 ThinkPad 300 ThinkPad 350 ThinkPad 500 ThinkPad 510 ThinkPad 710T Bill Don't worry, be happy - Baba Meir Steve Hultquist wrote: > > > I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems like > they were PS/2s? I remember the Thinkpad announcement (I > was working for IBM at the time). They had the TrackPoint > (which was a huge deal at the time) and the red accent > color scheme. However, there were non-color versions of > the 700, I think. > > ssh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:11 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad > mark... > > While you were at it, you could have mentioned the URL of > the story (OK, > it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html). > > In the story, they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a > 25Mhz 486 > introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM > laptop: I seem to > remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't > these machines > called ThinkPads? > > Does someone know of a URL with a complete history > covering all ThinkPads? > > Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in use) > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 at 10:26 PM you, "Slip" > , > said: > > >(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the > cracks) > > >Hello, > > I thought maybe some members would be interested in > reading this > >story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 > Million'th sale of > >Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. > > >-Jamie From cph Fri Mar 31 15:00:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA01047 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:00:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04070; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03844; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03814; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.177 -> web3806.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20000331195813.2764.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:58:13 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:58:13 -0800 (PST) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: RE: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you want to make your own, here is the wiring chart. http://www.fbe.fh-frankfurt.de/mitarb/schellha/ic/hwb/ad_Ps2KeyboardYThinkpad.html Garrett Kaste. --- "Steve C." wrote: > They sell a device like that at Fry's but you could > also make your own since it's just a plug and two > jacks. > > --- "James H. E. Maugham" > wrote: > > Ray, > > > > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prnbr=54G > > 0441&cntry=840&lang=en_US or call 1 888 SHOPIBM > and > > give the number to a person. > > > > $39 is pretty stiff for just the splitter, > > especially when you consider there > > are people selling the IBM keyboard with the > > Trackpoint for $35 and it COMES > > with a splitter. > > > > Belkin makes one also that I've seen in Best Buy > for > > approx. $20, and I've > > gotten generic ones for as little as $12. It's > been > > my experience that if you > > find a generic one and the connecters are marked > as > > to which is for the keyboard > > and which for the mouse (don't laugh, I've seen > some > > that aren't!) they'll work > > just fine. > > > > Regards, > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ray Canyon > [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:38 PM > > > To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Parts is Parts - Keyboard Y Connector > > > > > > > > > I am frustrated by the IBM web sites related to > > parts for my 760XL and > > > Keyboard... several people responded with > > descriptions and part numbers > > > for the Y-Connector that enables the connection > of > > the 13H6705 Keyboard. > > > The number of the part is said to be 54G0441... > > but when I contact the > > > web site, it says no such number... > > > > > > Does anybody have experience talking to a real > > person somewhere at IBM > > > to purchase this expensive little devil? > > > > > > Ray Bayles > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Mar 31 16:37:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02039 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:37:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11104; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10943; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10930; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:11 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA20069; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:10 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA02783; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:35:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331131745.00a9a810@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:19:30 -0800 To: "Steve C." , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service In-Reply-To: <20000331175208.23630.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:52 AM 03/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >completely. I replace the hard drive after the second >time there is a problem, which is what IBM should have >done but I wouldn't condemn the whole company for just >one mistake. 2 Items: (1) We're not condemning the whole company for one mistake, just the service division. ;-) (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember from the TP 75X days... From cph Fri Mar 31 17:07:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02271 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:07:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13867; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:06:24 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13704; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13636; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:06:20 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a21.pm3-52.theriver.com [208.164.102.37]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C7925CAD; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:05:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38E52162.E5122CB9@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:06:26 -0700 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar Cc: List Thinkpad Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Although I am now retired, I was once the chief of information management for a very large organization that had 13 regional offices, and 138 total offices... We had a LOT of laptops/ notebooks... IBM's service was bettered only by Dell... You wouldn't believe how bad the support and service were (This was 1986 through 1998 so it may be better or worse now) for Toshiba, Sony, Texas Instruments (the worst of them all - and now sold)... Gateway and Micron were pretty good, but not nearly as good as IBM and none came anywhere close to Dell... I bought IBM when I retired because of my experience with their service, parts and support for thousands of machines... EZServe seems to have its ups and downs lately... not consistently good or consistently bad... but I suspect it is still better than most companies out there. Ray A Kumar wrote: > > Please I have a ThinkPad that's been back to IBM 5 times still isn't fixed > and the last time it came back the case had been badly damaged. And every > time I talk to IBM its like pulling teeth they tell me "We have already > concussed the repairs on your ThinkPad more then once." As the costumer I > don't care how many times IBM has to foot the bill I want a working > ThinkPad. More importantly Easy Serve continuously forgets to fix things!!! > I don't see how they can claim rigorous testing. > > As for software I the other guys case, if the hard drive is making clicking > sounds then it is the hard drive! > > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:46 PM > To: Randal Whittle; TP List > Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service > > Not to play devil's advocate, as Lord knows IBM has enough mouthpieces out > there > including the one cited above, but in _this_ instance, it really does sound > like > a software problem. > > I all too often find clients dragging "this POS" into my office and > complaining > that it "won't work". NLT 75% of the time the failure is software related, > not > hardware. > > Just my $.02. > > Regards, > > James From cph Fri Mar 31 17:16:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02325 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14684; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:34 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14587; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14574; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:15:32 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.012) id 38E4837A00011533 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:41:16 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602939B64@nycexis01.mi8.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:41:04 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: RE: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... List-Unsubscribe: > > >I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems like they were PS/2s? I >remember the Thinkpad announcement (I was working for IBM at the time). >They had the TrackPoint (which was a huge deal at the time) and the red >accent color scheme. However, there were non-color versions of the 700, I >think. IBM made a PS/2 laptop...my friend Chad Page and I found one at my local Goodwill and he bought it for $30. It was a beigy white color and had a B/W LCD screen. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Fri Mar 31 17:25:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02398 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:25:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15540; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15398; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15384; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from user-38lc8sp.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lc8sp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.35.153]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31549; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003312223.RAA31549@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Steve C." , "TP List" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:28:32 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331131745.00a9a810@pop3.iceka1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service List-Unsubscribe: Yeah. Once I sent in a 760 with a bad dsp. EZServe replaced the hard drive, never touched anything to do with the modem. I made them search from here to hell to get back my hard drive - but of course it could never be found. Second time they actually focused on the reported problem. I will never send a unit back with anything more that the builtin memory and an old 850Mb drive using IBM preloaded dose95. EZ serve on another occassion said they would charge me a grand for some repair, I forget now, because the unit had the wrong screwset within it. I had had it serviced at an IBM sanctioned repair shop, and told EZServe to call them. After a LOT of back and forth, finally they relented. Screwset indeed. Currently, My760XL runs quietly, then will suddenly run quite loudly. It is as if someone cranked up the volume of the engine of a race car. I am about out of warrenty, but am really nervous about EZ Serve. Allan Ballard On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:19:30 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > From cph Fri Mar 31 17:34:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02452 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16414; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16321; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16307; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 18155 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2000 22:27:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000331222717.18154.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web116.yahoomail.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:27:17 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service To: Randal Whittle Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Maybe IBM's ThinkPad Repair Service has become like Compaq. They don't do their tech support anymore, it's farmed out to another company. I tried calling them with a problem once and they answered right away but didn't know anything. After the question there was a long pause and they said, "Um, I'll have to go check". Then after a long wait that would have given them enough time to run across the road and ask someone else, they came back and said: "Um, we don't know". --- Randal Whittle wrote: > At 09:52 AM 03/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >completely. I replace the hard drive after the > second > >time there is a problem, which is what IBM should > have > >done but I wouldn't condemn the whole company for > just > >one mistake. > > 2 Items: > > (1) We're not condemning the whole company > for one mistake, just > the service division. ;-) > > (2) The problem is that *many* of us users > on the list have > experience the exact same, or similar, problems with > IBM's repair > service. Its a *far* cry from what those of us who > are ThinkPad "Veterans" > remember from the TP 75X days... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Mar 31 18:05:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02688 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:05:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18954; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:03:45 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18770; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18683; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:02:27 -0500 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust99.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.99]) id QQiiym19693; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:02:24 GMT Message-ID: <38E52ECC.12D915AD@cheatriver.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:03:40 -0500 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michelle Klein-Hass CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The model was L40SX and I've still got one that we use @libraries, etc w/MS Word under W3.1. Except for short battery life, it still does just what it was originally purchased for. Max L40SX 755CE 760ED ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Fri Mar 31 18:15:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02796 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19718; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:32 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19641; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19627; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:15:30 -0500 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.012) id 38E4837A0000D70C for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:02:55 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000331091044.02fd9b90@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:02:44 -0800 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service List-Unsubscribe: >Not to play devil's advocate, as Lord knows IBM has enough mouthpieces out >there >including the one cited above, but in _this_ instance, it really does >sound like >a software problem. The hard drive goes "ka-CHUNK, ka-CHUNK, ka-CHUNK" and you see a BSOD saying "cannot write to drive" and that's a SOFTWARE problem???? C'mon, dude...I had that happen ONCE to me, and it was a dying Quantum/Apple HD in my Performa 460. That's gotta be a hardware problem. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! "Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -- R.A.W. Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Fri Mar 31 19:42:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03343 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:42:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23999; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:41:49 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23870; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23854; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:41:47 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-161.cisco.com [171.69.70.161]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id QAA05235; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:41:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E54579.756325BF@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:40:25 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rudolph wratten CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkpadZ References: <001e01bf9b3e$fb7527e0$763a4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Are you speaking of the 5100 and 5110 machines? They were quite the little workhorses. I used them in the mid seventies... rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > The first laptop IBM sold was the "Convertable". > This machine was a marketing failure,so much so > that IBM convertables were being sold on the, then new, shopping channel. > The first portable computers IBM made were used by the military in the late > 70s, they really did very little, that was when they worked at all. From cph Fri Mar 31 20:06:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03494 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:06:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25524; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:05:31 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25412; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25399; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:05:29 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-161.cisco.com [171.69.70.161]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id RAA10830 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:05:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E54B0B.1917E7D5@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:04:11 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service References: <4.2.0.58.20000331105939.00a7b9b0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA25524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA03495 I've had a problem similar to Stuart's with my 770ED. In my case, the tech on the other end almost immediately said "inverter board", which made lots of sense. EasyServ got it back to me in less than half the time they had quoted [one week, instead of 10-14 biz days]. It has seen serious use for nearly two years now, and I hope I get another 18 months or so use out of it. But any more mysterious "lcd backlight goes off" problems and it's back to EasyServ, and I'm sure it will come back just fine. In this case, it seems as if the driver circuitry for the LCD is too close to its max output level, so they simply wear out over time due to component failures. Switching power supplies do go bad with time, but 20 months time is way too short of a working lifespan. The customer in the story could have made a non-obvious mark on his hard drive [not its holder!] so he could have told if it were replaced. His problem with having to scandisk after a normal shutdown is something that is endemic to some compaq models running w98. Compaq can't fix it, some machines do it, some don't. My wife's machine does it, my daughter's doesn't. If you look on their support forums, you'll find a significant number of folks complaining, and no solution from compaq forthcoming. But you have to ask yourself, why did MICROS~1 add the option to the system configuration utility to "Disable Scandisk after bad shutdown" as well as "disable fast shutdown"??? My theory is that they don't flush the disk buffers and let the writes finish before they yank power to the drive, so the "I got Shutdown OK" bit didn't get set on the drive, triggering the behaviour. I've also had "Won't shutdown" problems with W95 due to brain-damaged "y2k compliance" s/w my employer forced onto my machine when I logged into the company's NT servers. Remove the culprit software and it shuts down just fine, but they had hidden the startup deep within the registry - so far that it was easier to simply rename/delete the offending program's directories and leave it at that. As to Stuart's problems with NT drivers, isn't it obvious that NT is the redheaded stepchild of the laptops world? Heck, I'd love to run FreeBSD on my ThinkPad, but the software support for the DVD drive just isn't there, not to mention proper syncing support + playmate applications for my Palm. So I live with W98 [née W95] and occasionally hurl invective at Redmond. But, just as with my Palm, if software consistently screws things up, it either gets removed, or run by itself followed by a reboot. andy 9549-5au From cph Fri Mar 31 20:27:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03632 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:27:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27485; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:57 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27293; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27235; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.156 -> hs-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id UAA08835 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guz-vty40.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guz-vty40.as.wcom.net [216.192.146.40]) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA08804 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:44:14 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9614.000331@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Egghead/Onsale and Bidwatch In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, March 30, 2000, 2:07:45 PM, James wrote: JHEM> Some further digressions on Egghead auctions. While JHEM> watching the Thinkpad 600 that was going yesterday JHEM> I noted something peculiar. Let's say that there are four units available and four people using bidwatch, and the minimum bid increment is $10. Let's say that all four give a maximum bid to bidwatch of $1699. In the mean time, there's someone else who had previously made a straight bid of $1399. Immediately (almost), all four of the bidwatch people automatically raise to $1409, because their maximum bid is higher than this joker coming in with $1399. Then, later on, someone else bids $1509. For the earlier four bidders to beat this new bid, they have to come up and match that bid. They don't have to beat it, because they were earlier bidders. The only way for them to buy the item is to bid at least the new amount, because there is not unlimited supply. If one of the four had a maximum bid of $1450, then that one would have dropped out of the bidding and the newcomer with $1509 would still be in the running. Does this make sense? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOOUOGW8pw+2/9pUJEQI1KACggLbEJw/I6QMqHfE4cPq5VGYXbbAAniqd DM+LOuff4mGDlnKZUbEHxeIZ =I85n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Mar 31 20:27:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03636 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:27:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27478; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:56 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27265; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27234; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.156 -> hs-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id UAA08837 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-guz-vty40.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-guz-vty40.as.wcom.net [216.192.146.40]) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA08820 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:59:25 -0600 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9624.000331@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters In-reply-To: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> References: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, March 30, 2000, 10:14:03 AM, Andrew wrote: AW> Alternatively, what about USB? Or SCSI? When at "home base", I often use the Adaptec 1460A SCSI PCMCIA card to talk with my SyJet, Yamaha CD-RW drive, and (occasionally) a couple other HDs. Works fine. I think they've got a newer version of the same card, plus a CardBus (32-bit) version, maybe the 1480? Just the other day, I saw a gizmo in a mail order catalog (PC Connection, maybe?) that claimed to be a box you could put a 2.5 or 3.5 inch HD into and come out the other end with USB. The thing was about $89. They also had a parallel port version ofr $20-30 less. If I see it again, I'll let the list know. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOOURqm8pw+2/9pUJEQJSXACgx74w21zz99oMtn4UmeroS/nY6OUAoNHZ edj+EvIeXg3d6AU/j5QiYQ60 =8m7d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Mar 31 21:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04176 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:40:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01552; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:39:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01368; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01355; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:39:12 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.201]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000401023910.EWBT26411.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 02:39:10 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000331191017.0126ae90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:10:17 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service In-Reply-To: <200003312223.RAA31549@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000331131745.00a9a810@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:28 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, Allan Ballard wrote: >I will never send a unit back with anything more that the builtin >memory and an old 850Mb drive using IBM preloaded dose95. > I wouldn't send them the drive. From cph Fri Mar 31 22:55:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04580 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05848; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05630; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05616; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:48 -0500 Received: from sover.net (arc1a280.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.90]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08217 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200004010353.WAA08217@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a280.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.90] 209.198.116.90 Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:53:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:54:03 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000331191017.0126ae90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.69 b68 List-Unsubscribe: In <3.0.1.32.20000331191017.0126ae90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, on 03/31/00 at 10:53 PM, Jane Loyless said: >At 05:28 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, Allan Ballard wrote: >>I will never send a unit back with anything more that the builtin >>memory and an old 850Mb drive using IBM preloaded dose95. >> >I wouldn't send them the drive. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Fri Mar 31 22:55:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04584 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05979; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:06 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05874; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05860; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:04 -0500 Received: from sover.net (arc1a280.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.90]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08529 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200004010355.WAA08529@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a280.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.90] 209.198.116.90 Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:18 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000331191017.0126ae90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.69 b68 List-Unsubscribe: > 2 Items: > (1) We're not condemning the whole company for one mistake, just >the service division. ;-) > (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have >experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. >Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember >from the TP 75X days... ... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the "old" days either, but in the last couple of years, including this past week. _____________ Ed Letourneau